Dutch PM Mark Rutte Set to Beat Geert Wilders in Election

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Dutch PM Mark Rutte

Far right anti-Muslim Dutch demagogue Geert Wilders has been riding a populist wave and getting campaign funding from right wing US organizations, in an effort to become the largest political party in the Dutch parliament. But in a piece of good news, the latest exit polls from the Netherlands show Dutch PM Mark Rutte poised to beat Wilders.

Dare we hope that the Trump Horror in the United States is beginning to help Europeans understand how vital it is to pull back from the brink of far right disaster?

Prime minister Mark Rutte and his liberal VVD party appear to have comfortably beaten the populist, anti-Islam Freedom party of Geert Wilders to become the largest in the new Dutch parliament, an early exit poll suggested.

In the first of three key European votes this year in which populist parties are seeking electoral breakthroughs, the VVD lost ten seats but was still on course for 31 seats in the 150-seat parliament, the Ipsos poll for Dutch broadcasters predicted.

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The vote was “a chance for a big democracy like the Netherlands to make a point, to stop this domino effect … of the wrong sort of populism,” Rutte said, though he warned there was still a chance the PVV might be the biggest party.

Wilders, who has pledged to “de-Islamise” the Netherlands and take it out of the EU, was widely seen as unlikely to enter government however he fared: no other main party will work with the PVV in coalition.

UPDATE at 3/15/17 7:38:35 pm by Charles Johnson

The exit polls were right: Geert Wilders has failed to gain a majority.

THE HAGUE — The far-right politician Geert Wilders fell short of expectations in Dutch elections on Wednesday, gaining seats but failing to persuade a decisive portion of voters to back his extreme positions on barring Muslim immigrants and jettisoning the European Union, according to early results and exit polls.

The results were immediately cheered by pro-European politicians who hoped that they could help stall some of the momentum of the populist, anti-European Union and anti-Muslim forces Mr. Wilders has come to symbolize, and which have threatened to fracture the bloc.

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342 comments

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:34:03pm

Another white country fallen to cucks bought off by socialist medicine and food stamps! Shariah law here we come!

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:36:27pm

I’m holding my breath till it’s done and confirmed.

But this though…

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Timothy Watson  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:38:58pm

re: #2 JordanRules

I’m holding my breath till it’s done and confirmed.

But this though…

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The Netherlands actually had compulsory voting from 1917 until 1967.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:41:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:44:27pm
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bratwurst  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:45:46pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:46:44pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

What is it with demagogues and stupid hair? Wilders and Trump together could create a weird hair singularity strong enough to swallow this quadrant of the galaxy.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:47:08pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

Country Realizes Electing Crazy Racist With Stupid Hair Ends Badly

And those Dutch bastards won’t even thank us for providing an example!
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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:48:08pm

re: #8 Blind Frog Belly White

Making Netherland Great Again!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:50:09pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:51:48pm

Apropos the discussion downstairs about old and new cars...

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:52:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:53:39pm

gaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:54:57pm

oh for crying out loud

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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:55:07pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

When will Wilders be moving here to work with Steve King?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:55:42pm

During the Revolution? You mean, when he was 9?

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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:56:25pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

I hate the term “firebrand”. Nazi is so much more accurate.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:56:36pm

re: #16 Blind Frog Belly White

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During the Revolution? You mean, when he was 9?

Just like John Quincy Adams being a Founding Father according to Sarah Palin.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:57:23pm

re: #18 Timothy Watson

Just like John Quincy Adams being a Founding Father according to Sarah Palin.

More like a Founding Son, I’d have thought.

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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:57:43pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

“He was the best pussy grabber of his generation, this I can tell you.”

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retired cynic  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:57:44pm

I see Katy Tur is continuing to cut folks down to size. Good for her!

rawstory.com

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jaunte  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:57:52pm
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freetoken  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:59:10pm

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

Don’t know how to interpret that.

Is she worried because all of this Russia stuff will blow up in the Democrats face?

Or is she worried because there actually is something on Trump that she knows her Republican colleagues will try to bury?

Or maybe she’s just having a bad day?

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:59:20pm

Meanwhile, I’m still getting barraged with dim-witted insults, racist comments and anti-Muslim memes from fans of Lauren Southern. If there’s one thing right wingers are good at, it’s forming a virtual lynch mob to attack their enemies.

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TedStriker  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:59:29pm

re: #20 Skip Intro

“He was the best pussy grabber of his generation, this I can tell you.”

At least Jackson dueled and killed a man over his wife Rachel’s honor.

Say what you will about his presidency, he took a pistol ball that he carried around for the rest of his life because he loved her so much.

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electrotek  Mar 15, 2017 • 2:59:54pm

re: #15 Skip Intro

When will Wilders be moving here to work with Steve King?

And therein lies the continued perception of America being a dumping ground for far-right nutjobs from elsewhere.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:00:58pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:02:24pm

In Wikipedia’s entry on Jackson:

Jackson believed strongly in “majority rule.” He supported direct election of senators and abolition of the Electoral College, believing that these reforms would provide average citizens with greater power.

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:02:26pm

re: #23 freetoken

Don’t know how to interpret that.

Is she worried because all of this Russia stuff will blow up in the Democrats face?

Or is she worried because there actually is something on Trump that she knows her Republican colleagues will try to bury?

Or maybe she’s just having a bad day?

If the answer to the second question is “yes”, then it could easily follow that the answers to the first and third questions would also be “yes.”

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:03:51pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

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gaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh

Was that right around when Jackson decided to shut down national banks and trigger what was the worst economic depression in US history (until the Great Depression) - and whose downturn lasted eight full years? How big was it? Almost HALF of the banks in the nation either shuttered their doors due to complete failure or were forced into receivership.

And don’t even get me started on Jackson’s genocide of Native Americans via forced removal from their lands and outright murder.

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(alpuz)  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:03:55pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, I’m still getting barraged with dim-witted insults, racist comments and anti-Muslim memes from fans of Lauren Southern. If there’s one thing right wingers are good at, it’s forming a virtual lynch mob to attack their enemies.

Well yeah, that’s what they excel in - Intimidation. Fuckers.

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DanielKi  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:05:51pm

Good news.

Note however that even if Wilders had won the most votes, he would not have been PM. Thanks to proportional representation, a majority against Wilders would have carried the day, no matter over how many parties it is spread.

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Moebym  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:06:40pm

re: #22 jaunte

Visited Amsterdam once. 10/10 would visit again.

Especially since the Dutch at least seem to have enough sense not to elect a far right-wing nutjob as PM.

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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:07:28pm

re: #26 electrotek

And therein lies the continued perception of America being a dumping ground for far-right nutjobs from elsewhere.

If Fox doesn’t offer him a job, CNN will.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:07:37pm

re: #29 KGxvi

If the answer to the second question is “yes”, then it could easily follow that the answers to the first and third questions would also be “yes.”

Or, you know, maybe she really had to get to the bathroom. Quick.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:08:23pm
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calochortus  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:08:48pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

I’ll admit it. I LOLed.

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451_Montag  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:09:22pm

re: #33 Moebym

Visited Amsterdam once. 10/10 would visit again.

Best city in the world bar none

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:09:26pm

re: #32 DanielKi

Good news.

Note however that even if Wilders had won the most votes, he would not have been PM. Thanks to proportional representation, a majority against Wilders would have carried the day, no matter over how many parties it is spread.

The US two-party system is double-edged. It can suppress bad crazy if a party’s embrace of bad crazy causes it to lose elections.

However, the tale of the last 10 years is exactly the reverse. The bad crazy gets amplified because no amount of bad crazy will cause the supposed ‘moderates’ to stop voting GOP.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:10:20pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:10:35pm

re: #30 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Was that right around when Jackson decided to shut down national banks and trigger what was the worst economic depression in US history (until the Great Depression) - and whose downturn lasted eight full years? How big was it? Almost HALF of the banks in the nation either shuttered their doors due to complete failure or were forced into receivership.

And don’t even get me started on Jackson’s genocide of Native Americans via forced removal from their lands and outright murder.

Well, you gotta remember that Trump is dumb as a stump, and can only hold one or two “facts” about anything in his head. So he read someplace that Jackson was a populist who took on ‘the elites’, and decides to idolize him without looking any deeper than the surface.

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451_Montag  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:10:43pm

re: #40 gocart mozart

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…. Reaches for a mirror

Too much?

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jaunte  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:10:49pm

re: #33 Moebym

I had a great time visiting a few year ago; met the ex-footballer owners of an Argentinian steakhouse that were dismayed when my wife and I couldn’t finish our lunch. They kept inviting us back for what became two days of free steak dinners, plying us with genever and telling us stories of recently-lost girlfriends. Extremely friendly town.

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:11:17pm

re: #40 gocart mozart

I’ll take ‘things you don’t want to hear from your doctor for $500’.

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TedStriker  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:11:53pm

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m sure that quote sounds better in the original German…

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:11:56pm

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Which people? Has Trump seen the anti-Trump protests that have happened almost continuously since his election? Does he know that he’s gone down in the polls — even in the Conservative Rasmussen poll?

No one is proud of this country except Fox News watchers and racists (and those are not mutually exclusive groups).

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jaunte  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:12:05pm

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

“You’ll be so proud you’ll feel ashamed.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:12:56pm

re: #43 451_Montag

…. Reaches for a mirror

Too much?

They’re like opinions - everybody’s got one, but nobody wants to look at the other guy’s.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:13:05pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:14:09pm

re: #42 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, you gotta remember that Trump is dumb as a stump, and can only hold one or two “facts” about anything in his head. So he read someplace that Jackson was a populist who took on ‘the elites’, and decides to idolize him without looking any deeper than the surface.

RWNJs aren’t going to have an easy time making Andy Jackson into a movement conservative deity. Sure they approve of his slave-owning and genocide and displacement of native Americans, but Jackson was a staunch anti-Confederate, and was not out to make the rich better off at everyone else’s expense.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:14:20pm

re: #42 Blind Frog Belly White

I was wondering why Trump has decided to take Jackson as his patron saint. According to Wikipedia, Jackson was the founder of the Democratic Party.

en.wikipedia.org

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:14:29pm

re: #30 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Was that right around when Jackson decided to shut down national banks and trigger what was the worst economic depression in US history (until the Great Depression) - and whose downturn lasted eight full years? How big was it? Almost HALF of the banks in the nation either shuttered their doors due to complete failure or were forced into receivership.

And don’t even get me started on Jackson’s genocide of Native Americans via forced removal from their lands and outright murder.

On the list of “elections that changed the course of American history”, I wonder where 1832 ranks. I’m guessing behind 1860 and 1932, but I’m not sure how many others it is behind.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:14:35pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Huh. Mind you, they both tend to have resting grumpy face.

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jaunte  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:14:58pm

re: #52 Patricia Kayden

So, the original Dixiecrat.

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DanielKi  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:17:06pm

re: #39 EPR-radar

The US two-party system is double-edged. It can suppress bad crazy if a party’s embrace of bad crazy causes it to lose elections.

I think that effect does not depend on the voting system.

Personally I would describe the difference as thus: In Europe, coalitions are formed after an election. In the US, coalition building happens beforehand, except that you don’t know if your coalition will actually be victorious.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:17:10pm

re: #51 EPR-radar

RWNJs aren’t going to have an easy time making Andy Jackson into a movement conservative deity. Sure they approve of his slave-owning and genocide and displacement of native Americans, but Jackson was a staunch anti-Confederate, and was not out to make the rich better off at everyone else’s expense.

Maybe they’ll embrace Zombie Jackson, like Zombie Reagan. And, you know, that MLK who would have been ashamed of Black Lives Matter? And the JFK or FDR who’d be a Republican today?

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:17:39pm

re: #55 jaunte

So, the original Dixiecrat.

Not exactly. Jackson’s modest proposal during the nullification crisis:

Yes I have; please give my compliments to my friends in your State and say to them, that if a single drop of blood shall be shed there in opposition to the laws of the United States, I will hang the first man I can lay my hand on engaged in such treasonable conduct, upon the first tree I can reach.

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calochortus  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:20:44pm

re: #54 Blind Frog Belly White

Huh. Mind you, they both tend to have resting grumpy face.

I wonder if there were any grim looking Republicans at the briefing? If they looked happy, well, bad news for the rest of us.

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wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:21:04pm

re: #54 Blind Frog Belly White

Huh. Mind you, they both tend to have resting grumpy face.

My grumpy face never rests!

/shamelessly swiped from a tweet.

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:21:49pm

re: #57 Blind Frog Belly White

Maybe they’ll embrace Zombie Jackson, like Zombie Reagan. And, you know, that MLK who would have been ashamed of Black Lives Matter? And the JFK or FDR who’d be a Republican today?

I’m aware of the attempted appropriation of MLK, and JFK is sometimes given as an example of a Democrat RWNJs could supposedly live with.

But FDR? Is there anything more to this than stone cold racists like Michelle Malkin approving of the US internment camps for Japanese-Americans? FDR was ‘that man’ for decades to the Birchers who now run the GOP.

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Jay C  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:21:57pm

re: #30 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Was that right around when Jackson decided to shut down national banks and trigger what was the worst economic depression in US history (until the Great Depression) - and whose downturn lasted eight full years? How big was it? Almost HALF of the banks in the nation either shuttered their doors due to complete failure or were forced into receivership.

And don’t even get me started on Jackson’s genocide of Native Americans via forced removal from their lands and outright murder.

Actually, the economic cratering known as the Panic of 1837 happened after Jackson had left office (good timing!), though his policies contributed a lot to the ill effects - more precisely, they ensured that there would be no way that the Government could do anything about the downturn: “free-market solutions” 19th-Century style.

Most of the blame for the huge recession after 1837 fell - rightly or wrongly - on Jackson’s chosen successor, Martin Van Buren (bad timing!). A good politician, but with no more clues about the economy than Old Hickory.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:25:45pm

re: #60 calochortus

I wonder if there were any grim looking Republicans at the briefing? If they looked happy, well, bad news for the rest of us.

Grassley. He supposedly was also ‘grim-faced and silent’

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:25:54pm

re: #54 Blind Frog Belly White

My cousin’s 5-year old daughter asked, “When I’m not smiling why does my face look mad?” My cousin lamented having to essentially tell her that because she is a girl, she will probably have to explain her grumpy face to people for the rest of her life.

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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:26:47pm

I think Cillizza just pledged to write a story a day for the next 6 months on Trump’s taxes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:27:15pm

re: #62 EPR-radar

I’m aware of the attempted appropriation of MLK, and JFK is sometimes given as an example of a Democrat RWNJs could supposedly live with.

But FDR? Is there anything more to this than stone cold racists like Michelle Malkin approving of the US internment camps for Japanese-Americans? FDR was ‘that man’ for decades to the Birchers who now run the GOP.

I’ve seen it. FDR won WWII, so clearly he wasn’t like all those pansy leftist peacenik communists.

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:27:39pm

re: #64 Blind Frog Belly White

Grassley. He supposedly was also ‘grim-faced and silent’

Grim-faced and silent is going to be etched on Grassley’s tombstone. I’m not sure I’ve seen him smile more than 3 times in the two plus decades I’ve followed politics - and that’s probably four times less than I’ve heard him talk.

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makeitstop  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:28:08pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

Senate Intel leaders Feinstein and Grassley grim and silent after Trump-Russia briefings with Comey

Sure wish they’d tell us what they’re all grim-faced and silent about.

Do you get the feeling that they’ve been told that Putin made an offer to buy the country and Trump accepted it? I do.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:28:50pm

re: #51 EPR-radar

“Sure they approve of his slave-owning and genocide and displacement of native Americans”

So true. But I guess, they’ll take his approval of slavery as favorable to the Confederacy. Rightwing logic.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:29:21pm

Trump doesn’t know a damn thing about Andrew Jackson.

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wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:30:20pm

re: #65 Flying Squirrel Girl

My cousin’s 5-year old daughter asked, “When I’m not smiling why does my face look mad?” My cousin lamented having to essentially tell her that because she is a girl, she will probably have to explain her grumpy face to people for the rest of her life.

I have the number 11 look (two parallel lines between the brows). I got it at about age 11. My dad had it, too.

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jaunte  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:30:49pm

re: #71 Ace Rothstein

He likes his hair.

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:30:53pm

re: #69 makeitstop

Sure wish they’d tell us what they’re all grim-faced and silent about.

Do you get the feeling that they’ve been told that Putin made an offer to buy the country and Trump accepted it? I do.

IT’S A GREAT DEAL, AND IT’S NOT ALL OF THE COUNTRY, JUST ALASKA, WHICH, REALLY, I’M TOLD ALREADY BELONGED TO THEM, SO REALLY, WE’RE JUST RETURNING IT, FOR A PROFIT, BIGLY. AND YEAH, WE HAD TO THROW IN HAWAII AND THE DAKOTAS, BUT THERE AREN’T THAT MANY PEOPLE IN HAWAII AND WE CAN’T EVEN DRILL IN THE DAKOTAS, SO MIGHT AS WELL LET SOMEONE WHO CAN, AND THEY CAN, BELIEVE ME, THEY’RE ALWAYS WINNING AT THE OIL…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:31:59pm

re: #56 DanielKi

I think that effect does not depend on the voting system.

Personally I would describe the difference as thus: In Europe, coalitions are formed after an election. In the US, coalition building happens beforehand, except that you don’t know if your coalition will actually be victorious.

I disagree, for the following reason - Party identity is more important to a lot of people than ideology. People who agreed far more with Clinton’s positions than Trump’s, and who thought Trump was an unstable narcissistic con man voted for Trump, because he had an (R) after his name. If we had a plethora of parties, the moderates and liberals could easily form a coalition to govern and keep Trump out.

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Jay C  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:32:52pm

re: #67 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve seen it. FDR won WWII, so clearly he wasn’t like all those pansy leftist peacenik communists.

Maybe: but your old-school righties believed for decades (and may still do, I wouldn’t be surprised) that even if Roosevelt wasn’t a “pansy leftist peacenik communist” he was their dupe, if not their tool, and that we won WWII despite having FDR as President, not because.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:33:46pm

re: #68 KGxvi

Grim-faced and silent is going to be etched on Grassley’s tombstone. I’m not sure I’ve seen him smile more than 3 times in the two plus decades I’ve followed politics - and that’s probably four times less than I’ve heard him talk.

He has the same plodding Midwestern delivery as Al Franken, but without the humor.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:35:08pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:36:09pm

re: #76 Jay C

Maybe: but your old-school righties believed for decades (and may still do, I wouldn’t be surprised) that even if Roosevelt wasn’t a “pansy leftist peacenik communist” he was their dupe, if not their tool, and that we won WWII despite having FDR as President, not because.

I think those guys are mostly dead, so the current Right are happy to push the idea that FDR would be Republican, because they think all Democrats are George McGovern - who they also forget was a bomber pilot in WWII.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:39:07pm
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DanielKi  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:39:50pm

re: #75 Blind Frog Belly White

I disagree, for the following reason - Party identity is more important to a lot of people than ideology.

Oh, but party identity exists in systems with proportional representation, too. Granted, party identification has eroded a lot over the last few decades, but remnants still exist. In Germany, it used to be the case that whether you voted for the CDU (Christian conservatives) or the SPD (social democrats) was mostly a matter of which slice of society you felt you belonged to.

If we had a plethora of parties, the moderates and liberals could easily form a coalition to govern and keep Trump out.

I agree, and Clinton’s popular vote victory actually proves it. :)

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retired cynic  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:41:38pm

Our local NPR station has an article about the parallels between DT, Bruce Rauner (our IL governor, and the new Missouri governor. About the growing disconnect between businessmen becoming public executives and their responsibility to a free press and their constituents. It’s not short. A journalist (professor) on our station, Charlie Wheeler, is quoted, and he is super, and speaks for me.

nprillinois.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:43:46pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:44:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:46:55pm
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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:47:06pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

Woot!

France, you’re on deck!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:48:37pm
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freetoken  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:49:39pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

Inspired by his trip to Jackson’s place today, perhaps Trump will just direct the gov’t to ignore the court?

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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:49:59pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hawaii’s just a so-called state. Got nothing going for it, a loser. Sad.

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:51:15pm

re: #88 freetoken

Inspired by his trip to Jackson’s place today, perhaps Trump will just direct the gov’t to ignore the court?

Please proceed, Orange Menace. That level of blatant lawlessness is the kind of thing that may make some congressional Republicans nervous.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:51:17pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:53:26pm

re: #52 Patricia Kayden

I was wondering why Trump has decided to take Jackson as his patron saint. According to Wikipedia, Jackson was the founder of the Democratic Party.

en.wikipedia.org

He’s on the $20 bill.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:53:37pm

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

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retired cynic  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:53:54pm

Speaking of NPR, I just heard a story about nilotinib, a leukemia drug that is showing promise for both Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s. My husband just passed away in December from many years of struggle with Parkinson’s, and I am so glad that they are making headway on these two awful, awful diseases.

npr.org

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bmoak  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:54:38pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

Image if our elections had 82% turnout……

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:58:00pm

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is lovely. I’m reminded of the marriage cases, where one RWNJ argument after another completely failed in a courtroom environment where illogical appeals to resentment just aren’t very good arguments, no matter how well they work for winning elections.

Unfortunately for RWNJs, it takes 2/3s to convict in the senate for an impeachment of a federal judge.

So we can add this to the long list of reasons to not vote Republican: a Republican Congress with 2/3 in the Senate would purge the entire federal judiciary to remove anyone who is not a RWNJ.

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:58:02pm
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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2017 • 3:58:47pm
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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:01:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:01:34pm

and in Washington State (State v Trump) right now:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:02:58pm
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Jenner7  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:05:37pm

Hahahaha

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electrotek  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:07:25pm

Edit, didn’t come out right.

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:08:14pm

re: #103 electrotek

You’re missing an end tag.

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TedStriker  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:08:22pm

re: #103 electrotek

Uhhhh…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:08:35pm

re: #102 Jenner7

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Hahahaha

What a fucking goober Miller is. The original ruling, AFAIK, wasn’t that the GOAL of the law was okay but the DETAILS were bad. It was that the GOAL was unconstitutional. So, yeah - change the details while proudly announcing the goal is the same is really stupid.

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electrotek  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:09:01pm

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electrotek  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:09:35pm

re: #104 Belafon

You’re missing an end tag.

Yeah I always forget the quotation marks when pasting URL links in HTML URL tags.

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:09:41pm

I was browsing the text of the Constitution, and the emoluments clause issue vs. Trump is non-existent, IMO:

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

Trump has the consent of the equally corrupt Republican Congress for his foreign bribe taking.

The flip side of this coin is that Trump’s bribe-taking is constitutional only because Congressional Republicans are making it so, which ought to be a useful message for the Democrats.

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calochortus  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:11:47pm

re: #109 EPR-radar

I was browsing the text of the Constitution, and the emoluments clause issue vs. Trump is non-existent, IMO:

Trump has the consent of the equally corrupt Republican Congress for his foreign bribe taking.

The flip side of this coin is that Trump’s bribe-taking is constitutional only because Congressional Republicans are making it so, which ought to be a useful message for the Democrats.

I think, however, that the ‘gift’ has to be openly declared and decided on by Congress. It can’t (or traditionally hasn’t) been something where Congress gave blanket immunity.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:11:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:12:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:13:47pm
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TedStriker  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:13:59pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

Facts is a stone-cold, cast iron bitch…

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makeitstop  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:14:17pm

re: #102 Jenner7

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Hahahaha

Amateurs. Miller’s a punk, and none of them realize that people are listening when they shoot their arrogant mouths off.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:15:36pm

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Haha suck it altright.

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:15:49pm

re: #110 calochortus

I think, however, that the ‘gift’ has to be openly declared and decided on by Congress. It can’t (or traditionally hasn’t) been something where Congress gave blanket immunity.

A plenary indulgence from Congress for present and future presidential law breaking is without precedent.

Here’s an even more interesting tidbit from the text: “The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”

This is so often cited as “high crimes and misdemeanors” that the bribery and treason parts get forgotten. Treason is a no-go, even for Trump, but having bribery explicitly listed there is very interesting.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:17:25pm

Losin’ is an easy game.

Ian & Sylvia - Maude’s Blues (1965)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:17:32pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:18:51pm

re: #114 TedStriker

Facts is a stone-cold, cast iron bitch…

Old lawyer joke: When the facts are against you, argue the law. When the law is against you, argue the facts. When both the facts and the law are against you, pound the table.

The Trump administration strategy of starting off by pounding the table really isn’t working well for them. What a shame. It’s tragic, really. Let me find my ultra-microscopic violin on which to play a dirge.

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Jay C  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:20:35pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wonder what sort of tweetstorm this ruling is going to generate?

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calochortus  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:20:36pm

OT: Today’s home improvement victory. I tried to change out a shower head, only to find that it was totally frozen in place. WD 40, a little whacking with a wrench, time, more whacking and it finally turned. Yay me. I’m always afraid too much force will break something. Leading to the question of whether a 63 year old woman is likely to apply enough force to break plumbing.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:21:08pm

re: #107 electrotek

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Decatur Deb  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:21:56pm

re: #122 calochortus

OT: Today’s home improvement victory. I tried to change out a shower head, only to find that it was totally frozen in place. WD 40, a little whacking with a wrench, time, more whacking and it finally turned. Yay me. I’m always afraid too much force will break something. Leading to the question of whether a 63 year old woman is likely to apply enough force to break plumbing.

A warm Spring zephyr can apply enough force to break plumbing.

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calochortus  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:22:26pm

re: #124 Decatur Deb

A warm Spring zephyr can apply enough force to break plumbing.

Good to know, if not particularly reassuring.

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electrotek  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:22:42pm

re: #123 Timothy Watson

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:23:26pm

re: #121 Jay C

Wonder what sort of tweetstorm this ruling is going to generate?

An epic one. The entire DC metro sewer system may be clogged by the giant hate turds Trump will emit as he composes his 3 AM masterpieces on Twitter.

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calochortus  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:25:14pm

re: #127 EPR-radar

There’s an image I didn’t need…

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stpaulbear  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:25:39pm

re: #127 EPR-radar

An epic one. The entire DC metro sewer system may be clogged by the giant hate turds Trump will emit as he composes his 3 AM masterpieces on Twitter.

Giant hate turds can melt steel beams.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:27:07pm
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electrotek  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:27:22pm

I type too fast for my own good sometimes….

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:30:58pm

re: #129 stpaulbear

Giant hate turds can melt steel beams.

And Kelleyanne will have to polish them.

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:32:10pm

re: #132 Blind Frog Belly White

And Kelleyanne will have to polish them.

She already has lots of practice with that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:34:40pm

hahahahahaaaa

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:35:29pm

re: #128 calochortus

There’s an image I didn’t need…

It’s a minor thing, compared to the Orange Menace in the White House.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:36:06pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Stanley Sea  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:36:11pm

re: #121 Jay C

Wonder what sort of tweetstorm this ruling is going to generate?

SAW ME IN COURT

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plansbandc  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:36:55pm

Re: The whales assembling: “So Long, and Thanks For All the Fish” or “Star Trek IV”?

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Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:38:34pm

re: #138 plansbandc

Re: The whales assembling: “So Long, and Thanks For All the Fish” or “Star Trek IV”?

Given the last few months? The first one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:39:15pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:39:40pm

Meanwhile, the meatheads at RedState continue to demonstrate their profound ignorance of and contempt for the Constitution by dismissing the ruling against TrumpBan v2.0 as a purely partisan exercise.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:39:49pm
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ipsos  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:40:00pm

re: #139 Targetpractice

The pedant in me would note that the creatures saying “So Long…” were the dolphins, not the whales.

But fuck it, I’d join either of them at this point if they have somewhere better to go…

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:41:10pm

re: #143 ipsos

The pedant in me would note that the creatures saying “So Long…” were the dolphins, not the whales.

But fuck it, I’d join either of them at this point if they have somewhere better to go…

With Trump in office, even the arrival of a Vogon Constructor Fleet might not be such a bad thing.

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ipsos  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:42:23pm

re: #144 EPR-radar

A filthy hold in a Vogon ship? I’ve got my towel ready. Let’s go!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:42:49pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:44:20pm

re: #138 plansbandc

Re: The whales assembling: “So Long, and Thanks For All the Fish” or “Star Trek IV”?

The Simpsons:

Why do you jump so much?

We are trying to get out!

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:45:04pm

Nice LOL moment from Driftglass today.driftglass.blogspot.com

I suppose from one perspective, repealing the Affordable Care Act is, in a way, a “mercy”.

Paul Ryan: Health care reform is ‘act of mercy’

Because after 25 years of letting Fox News and Hate Radio take a dump in their skulls, the only honest way to describe the dead-eyed halfwits who make up the base of the Party of Trump is “politically comatose”. Poor dears who shamble through what’s left of their lives in a persistent vegetative state, brains rotten from Rovine Spongiform Encephalopathy, barely aware of anything going on around them, haunted by an endless flickering nightmare of an unstoppable Kenyan Usurper named Barack and a murderous criminal mastermind named Hillary who still scheme endlessly in the shadows of the Deep State to use emails and TelePrompTers to confiscate their guns and make their children gay.

And letting them go on living like this is just plain cruel.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:45:08pm

re: #146 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Trump Effect

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:45:24pm

re: #145 ipsos

A filthy hold in a Vogon ship? I’ve got my towel ready. Let’s go!

“What’s unpleasant about being drunk?”

“Ask a glass of water.”

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Stanley Sea  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:47:22pm

cc: Sleuth

Manchin: Many West Virginians are getting insurance now for first time. Most don’t know how they got it, but they’ll know who takes it away

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:49:43pm

“Andrew Jackson’s Wheel of Cheese” will be my next band’s name.

theatlantic.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:49:53pm

beginning to look that way, Eric.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:50:57pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

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‘haven’t see the last of me’

“No, but the first of you turns my stomach.”

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TedStriker  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:51:13pm

re: #151 Stanley Sea

cc: Sleuth

Yet, Manchin is still a fucking DINO.

Broken clock and all that, but fuck him just on general principle.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:52:04pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

Geert Wilders warns Dutch PM Mark Rutte ‘You haven’t seen the last of me yet’

“You haven’t seen the last of me, Danger!”

“No, but the first of you turns my stomach.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:53:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:57:12pm
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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:57:55pm

re: #71 Ace Rothstein

Trump doesn’t know a damn thing about Andrew Jackson.

This stunt does appear to have the stench of Bannon.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:57:56pm

good fucking grief

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 4:59:46pm

re: #158 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well ya know what, Mr. Grasserly, until you actually do something, those words are nothing more than just words.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:00:09pm

jeebus, Kentucky. We’re third behind Oklahoma and Alabama???

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:01:17pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:02:47pm

re: #69 makeitstop

Sure wish they’d tell us what they’re all grim-faced and silent about.

Do you get the feeling that they’ve been told that Putin made an offer to buy the country and Trump accepted it? I do.

Amerika as a how-to guide.

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Jay C  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:03:15pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

What’s Dutch for “Curses, foiled again!!”?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:04:45pm

re: #163 Ace Rothstein

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Now if only King’s constiuents will reject him like the Dutch did his friend.

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:05:04pm

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

This may be a new record for Trump in the ongoing GOP Olympic event Lies/Words.

Let’s try to unpack this.

Trump has never thanked anyone, ever, for anything. Lie #1.

Trump has no idea what Jackson’s service amounted to. Lie #2.

Trump has never honored anyone, ever, for anything. Lie #3.

Trump has no memory of Jackson past this moment. Lie #4.

Trump has never built anything, ever. Lie #5.

Trump has no appreciation of anyone’s legacy, at all. Lie #6.

Trump is taking the lords name in vain with his obviously fake piety. Lie #7.

Trump is doing everything in his power to wreck the USA, so he is hardly thankful for it (see also point #1 above). Lie #8.

Two solid whoppers in every sentence.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:05:04pm

re: #165 Jay C

What’s Dutch for “Curses, foiled again!!”?

Vloeken, weer verijdeld

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:06:48pm

So let me see if I got this straight. If the Rethugs repeal, they’re fucked because the Trump voters that benefit from it will get kicked off next year. If they don’t repeal it they’re fucked because these SAME PEOPLE THAT BENEFIT FROM IT will want to know why they didn’t keep their promise to repeal it?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:06:55pm

I’m old enough to remember when Jackson was used as proof that Democrats support slavery and genocide of Native Americans. I will say this much about Jackson. AT least he actually fought. Trump’s a cowardly little wuss.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:07:41pm

re: #169 Ace Rothstein

So let me see if I got this straight. If the Rethugs repeal, they’re fucked because the Trump voters that benefit from it will get kicked off next year. If they don’t repeal it they’re fucked because these SAME PEOPLE THAT BENEFIT FROM IT will want to know why they didn’t keep their promise to repeal it?

In other words, the GOP may finally have the bigoted base they’ve created finally btie them in the ass?

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:08:08pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:08:44pm

I saw this on FB, and all I could think of was Zardoz.

The penis is bad!
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Jay C  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:08:50pm

re: #168 FormerDirtDart

Vloeken, weer verijdeld

That’s what I like about LGF: ask even a rhetorical question, and you’re likely to get a cogent and correct answer….
Dank U.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:10:02pm

I am really glad Wilders lost. I’m actually going to be in Amsterdam for a few days this sumemr.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:10:07pm

re: #51 EPR-radar

RWNJs aren’t going to have an easy time making Andy Jackson into a movement conservative deity. Sure they approve of his slave-owning and genocide and displacement of native Americans, but Jackson was a staunch anti-Confederate, and was not out to make the rich better off at everyone else’s expense.

The right whitewashes that history entirety.

It is arguable that Andrew Jackson was one of the worst presidents ever, and a genocidal maniac at that. So please, all you GOPers, continue to embrace your inner Nazi (not that you need to hear me say it; you’ll do it anyway).

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:10:32pm

re: #169 Ace Rothstein

So let me see if I got this straight. If the Rethugs repeal, they’re fucked because the Trump voters that benefit from it will get kicked off next year. If they don’t repeal it they’re fucked because these SAME PEOPLE THAT BENEFIT FROM IT will want to know why they didn’t keep their promise to repeal it?

I think a lot of people are overestimating the political price of failing to repeal the ACA, while UNDERestimating the political price of passing THIS repeal.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:10:35pm

If Trump is looking for a Jacksonesque hydra (Bank of the US), he might start with Goldman.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:10:47pm

re: #173 Blind Frog Belly White

THE CHORUS IS GOOD, THE LIBRETTO IS EVIL
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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:11:25pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

Tell them thank you from us!!!

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:11:36pm

Some asshole congressman from Alabama on MSNBC just said the health care law interferes with work ethic.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:12:02pm

re: #167 EPR-radar

He didn’t write the tweet. It’s too coherent.

half /

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:12:07pm

re: #180 JordanRules

Tell them thank you from us!!!

Need to brush up on my Dutch.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:12:08pm

re: #173 Blind Frog Belly White

I saw this on FB, and all I could think of was Zardoz.

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It’s a workup of an ancient sculpture in Rome, La Bocca della Verita. If a liar sticks his hand in its mouth, he gets back a stump.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:12:47pm

re: #181 Ace Rothstein

Some asshole on MSNBC just said the health care law interferes with work ethic.

The cult of work and work ethic by the right in this country really bothers me. I mean don’t get me wrong. Having a good work ethic is important but there’s more to life than just work.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:13:01pm

re: #184 Decatur Deb

It’s a workup of an ancient sculpture in Rome, La Boca de Verita. If a liar sticks his hand in its mouth. he gets back a stump.

So, nobody sits inside the head and throws guns out to Primitives?

I am disappoint.
///

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:13:38pm
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Decatur Deb  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:13:57pm

re: #186 Blind Frog Belly White

So, nobody sits inside the head and throws guns out to Primitives?

I am disappoint.
///

I’d rather have the Bocca, install it on the National Mall.

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:14:05pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

Another thing many European countries get better than us.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:14:49pm

re: #184 Decatur Deb

It’s a workup of an ancient sculpture in Rome, La Boca de Verita. If a liar sticks his hand in its mouth. he gets back a stump.

That explains Trump’s small, unnaturally pale hands - they were bitten off, and have only partially regenerated.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:15:01pm

re: #187 Ace Rothstein

LOL

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You’re a baseball fan. I’m sure you can find plenty of photos of Hispanic and African-American teammates high fiving.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:15:27pm

re: #188 Decatur Deb

I’d rather have the Boca, install it on the National Mall.

Besides, the NRA has been throwing guns to the Primitives for decades now.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:15:32pm

re: #189 JordanRules

Another thing many European countries get better than us.

Yeah, I’m terrible at foreign languages. Not for a lack of effort or desire.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:15:37pm
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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:15:46pm

re: #186 Blind Frog Belly White

Somewhere, Wayne LaPierre sheds a single tear, but does not know why he weeps.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:16:06pm

re: #177 Blind Frog Belly White

I think a lot of people are overestimating the political price of failing to repeal the ACA, while UNDERestimating the political price of passing THIS repeal.

If repeal fails, Paul Ryan, Chaffetz and other members of the GOP House leadership will be primaried as part of another Jacobin purity quest by the deranged rank-and-file.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:16:55pm

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Jackson is to Trump as Friedrich the Great is to Hitler.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:17:26pm

re: #195 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Somewhere, Wayne LaPierre sheds a single tear, but does not know why he weeps.

I’d love to melt a gun down in front of him just to see him cry.

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TedStriker  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:17:47pm

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

The News 2 (our local ABC affiliate) did zoom out from the stage a bit and pretty much the whole back half of the auditorium behind the stage is being held empty, presumably for security reasons. That said, that cuts out a lot of seats and Municipal isn’t very big by modern standards (it seats a max of about 9700 in an ‘in-the-round’ general admission configuration), so having the stage at an end or side easily cuts that in half.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:18:18pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

The cult of work and work ethic by the right in this country really bothers me. I mean don’t get me wrong. Having a good work ethic is important but there’s more to life than just work.

That was their big objection to the original CBO score for the ACA - it was estimated that there would be 2 Million fewer jobs. Most of those were people who were ONLY working to keep health benefits, who would otherwise retire.

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Jenner7  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:18:41pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:19:02pm

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

If Trump is going to cut taxes bigly and has already raised the military budget and still wants his stupid fucking wall, then the upcoming cuts to domestic spending are going to be catastrophic.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:19:26pm

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

“We are going to restore respect for our country and for our great and very beautiful flag.”

I’m sorry for saying it, but bullshit invective like that makes me want to burn the flag, not respect it.

Fuck off, Ill Douche.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:19:26pm

LOL, yam…that protestor isn’t going to mentioned tomorrow AT ALL…

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stpaulbear  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:19:31pm

re: #172 FormerDirtDart

Oops. Somebody didn’t know what their spouse or kid does for a living…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:20:24pm

re: #200 Blind Frog Belly White

That was their big objection to the original CBO score for the ACA - it was estimated that there would be 2 Million fewer jobs. Most of those were people who were ONLY working to keep health benefits, who would otherwise retire.

Doesn’t surprise me.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:21:02pm

re: #203 Myron Falwell

“We are going to restore respect for our country and for our great and very beautiful flag.”

I’m sorry for saying it, but bullshit invective like that makes me want to burn the flag, not respect it.

Fuck off, Ill Douche.

I love our country but it’s what is behind the flag that we need to respect and Trump clearly doesn’t do that.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:21:11pm

re: #28 Blind Frog Belly White

And Trump once believed the same exact thing, right up until having the Electoral College helped him win the presidency.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:21:44pm

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

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LOL, yam…that protestor isn’t going to mentioned tomorrow AT ALL…

Yeah, Donald, that’s why you’re in Mar-A-Lago because you’re just a regular old guy. Face it, you’re nothing but a phony piece of shit who if he ever had to live like a regular Joe would freak out.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:21:45pm

re: #202 EPR-radar

If Trump is going to cut taxes bigly and has already raised the military budget and still wants his stupid fucking wall, then the upcoming cuts to domestic spending are going to be catastrophic.

And that’s assuming the uber-dysfunctional GOP House can unite to pass whatever budget he gives them.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:21:48pm

re: #202 EPR-radar

If Trump is going to cut taxes bigly and has already raised the military budget and still wants his stupid fucking wall, then the upcoming cuts to domestic spending are going to be catastrophic.

Don’t worry! We’ll pay for it by getting rid of the AMT!
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Jenner7  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:21:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:22:46pm

re: #212 Jenner7

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And people who live far away from the border and yet have some of the biggest paranoia about Hispanic immigrants will cheer. like the morons they are.

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:22:59pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

The cult of work and work ethic by the right in this country really bothers me. I mean don’t get me wrong. Having a good work ethic is important but there’s more to life than just work.

Especially since hypocrisy is built into this. For RWNJs, work, like taxes, really is something for the little people.

Most plutocrats aren’t working their asses off to make the big bucks. Instead they get the big bucks each and every year because they already own massive income-producing assets etc.

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teleskiguy  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:23:01pm

Instagram

Trump supporters shouting KKK KKK Trump Trump…at demonstrators walking to the auditorium where the president is speaking.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:23:16pm

re: #212 Jenner7

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Like Melania, we all ask, “Is it up yet?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:24:05pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:24:07pm

If you didn’t know, now you do.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:24:25pm

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump is still rallying? Really Dude?

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TedStriker  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:24:57pm

re: #201 Jenner7

Unfortunately, I saw that, because the TV here at work is stuck on Trump’s Nuremberg Rally right now; the person was holding a Trump-Pence sign, with nothing more added on it than “We Are Watching”, and what appeared to be a Metro cop was talking to them quite civilly.

I could make out them asking the cop, “Is this a private event?”, the cop apparently told them that it was (the cop had his back to the camera, so I don’t really know), then the protester was promptly escorted out.

What a goddamn disgrace, right in my own city.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:25:30pm

He’s not a district judge.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:25:39pm

re: #28 Blind Frog Belly White

re: #208 lawhawk

That’s because Andrew Jackson famously won the popular vote in 1824, but lost to John Quincy Adams in the electoral college.

Thus, Jackson founded the Democrat Party the modern-day Republican Party after the post-1960 party realignment.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:25:45pm

re: #219 Patricia Kayden

Trump is still rallying? Really Dude?

Of course, you expected different?

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:26:20pm

re: #219 Patricia Kayden

Trump is still rallying? Really Dude?

Of course he is. Soaking up admiration from his dim-witted followers is second only to bribe-taking in terms of what Trump is getting out of his presidency*.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:26:35pm
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Ace Rothstein  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:27:54pm

Our orange dipshit has no idea how our judicial system works (except when he’s being sued).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:28:02pm

O_o

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:28:14pm

LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:28:15pm

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah, didn’t he sign an exemption to that JUST LAST WEEK?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:28:32pm

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

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O_o

Such fucking bullshit lies and the yam fucking knows it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:28:47pm

re: #228 Ace Rothstein

LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP!

Is that English for Sieg Heil?

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:29:02pm

re: #228 Ace Rothstein

LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP!

Are they still doing that shit? Christ.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:29:38pm

re: #232 EPR-radar

Are they still doing that shit? Christ.

Yes.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:29:41pm
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:29:42pm

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Mr. President, there is a Mr. For Gotten here so see you.”

“Never heard of him.”

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:30:59pm

re: #231 HappyWarrior

And he’s throwing those white power signs again.

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:31:10pm

re: #233 Ace Rothstein

Yes.

That makes it easy. These people are the scum of the earth.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:31:10pm

“I know you people are not skeptical people.” They voted for your ass, idiot. How can they be skeptical about anything?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:31:31pm

re: #236 lawhawk

And he’s throwing those white power signs again.

Jesus.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:31:44pm

re: #229 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, didn’t he sign an exemption to that JUST LAST WEEK?

He’s just reading whatever bullshit was written for him on a Teleprompter by Bannon and Conway.

He’s Rob Burgundy with none of the likability.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:32:00pm

As I said earlier, fuck Trump supporters.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:32:09pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:32:24pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:32:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:33:24pm

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Typical.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:33:50pm

re: #237 EPR-radar

That makes it easy. These people are the scum of the earth.

I said it earlier this morning; it’s hard not to think that they have a genuine mental illness or disorder of some sort.

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ObserverArt  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:34:05pm

Mommy the Orange Man is on TV and He Is Scaring Me Again.

Sheesh, he’s getting his Benito down.

How soon before Trump issues everyone daily uniforms that will be stylish and great designed by Ivanka and sold and distributed to all Americans through a new Trump Making Us Look Great Clothing Company?

- - -

Trump: “This country will be a Much Greater America if we all look the same. We need everyone working in one directions. They will be mandatory, but you’ll love them, they’ll make you look Great!”

“We will have special uniforms and emblems that will identify the media, political opponents and other groups still to be determined. We think Real Great Americans deserve to know where everyone stands.”

Until further notice…Kellyanne Conway for Your Great Leader and President Donald J. Trump.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:34:07pm

There are some fine looking young Aryans in that crowd tonite. Notice the red ties?

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451_Montag  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:34:08pm

So Hawaii stops the travel ban. Obama is in Hawaii today.

Coincidence ? //

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:34:24pm

re: #243 Charles Johnson

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Props to the Washington AG Ferguson, he made this a big part of his argument.

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jaunte  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:34:27pm

Trump’s crowd of fascist followers are ready to execute judges if he’ll just say the word.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:34:31pm

“We are going to repeal and replace horrible, disastrous Obamacare.”

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Stanley Sea  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:34:42pm

re: #234 FormerDirtDart

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When I went to the Mosque for the interfaith gathering it was said by a speaker: The woman wearing the hijab is the bravest, strongest representation of our faith.

Truth.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:34:56pm

re: #249 451_Montag

So Hawaii stops the travel ban. Obama is in Hawaii today.

Coincidence ? //

There are questions that must be asked.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:35:08pm

re: #250 HappyWarrior

Props to the Washington AG Ferguson, he made this a big part of his argument.

So did Hawaii AG Chinn

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:35:36pm

re: #246 Myron Falwell

I said it earlier this morning; it’s hard not to think that they have a genuine mental illness or disorder of some sort.

I think not. Being vicious and evil isn’t a medical condition and should not be excused so lightly.

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jaunte  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:35:42pm

Trump mentions Hawaii and the crowd boos like trained animals.

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Jenner7  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:36:06pm

What an incompetent boob.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:36:07pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:36:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:36:24pm

re: #255 Backwoods_Sleuth

So did Hawaii AG Chinn

Yep. I had to write a brief on the subject for our firm’s newsletter. This is such good news.

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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:36:27pm
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:36:30pm

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:36:40pm

re: #257 jaunte

Trained? A lot of them aren’t even housebroken.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:36:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:37:00pm

re: #257 jaunte

Trump mentions Hawaii and the crowd boos like trained animals.

Well we are talking about people who elect officials who refuse disaster relief aid to people when they’re hit by hurricanes.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:37:06pm

re: #256 EPR-radar

I think not. Being vicious and evil isn’t a medical condition and should not be excused so lightly.

Exactly. It’s so fucking hard. These people are nothing more than animals.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:37:14pm

So there you go, Trump has just shown his hand. He’s going to blame the Democrats when the ACA isn’t destroyed.

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Citizen K  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:37:15pm

I forget if I ever asked it here or not, but…what the hell is with this upsurge of Jackson fanaticism I’m seeing? Has it always existed and I’ve just not seen it, or is this a Trum-era upsurge?

I ask because one shitheel from an online group I’m in had the same sort of Jackson fetishism that outright baffled me when I first heard it.

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Cheechako  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:37:23pm

re: #219 Patricia Kayden

Trump is still rallying? Really Dude?

Nothing like getting an early start for 2020.

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:37:26pm

re: #264 Romantic Heretic

Trained? A lot of them aren’t even housebroken.

They don’t have to be housebroken to vote Republican.

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Nyet  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:38:00pm

It’s good to see Wilders being beat up at the polls.

It is frightening that so many “mainstream” GOPers enable him.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:38:07pm

re: #243 Charles Johnson

nytimes.com

Full text is there.

The key parts basically relate to the fact that the new EO reasoning relies on the original’s intent and reasoning. Public statements by the Admin that the intent and purpose of this is a Muslim ban is why this fails - just as surely as the original one did.

Every time the Admin claims that this is a ban on Muslims, which was their stated goal all along, they indicate that the intent and purpose is for an unconstitutional aim.

That’s why the courts will keep striking this down.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:38:10pm

re: #259 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Then why aren’t you banning people from Saudi Arabia from entering shithead? Oh wait, you have interests there. But hey thanks for pretty much proving that Spicey lied that this was about nationality and not religion, dumbass. You’re making the other judges’ jobs a lot easier when they affirm what the judge did today.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:38:36pm

re: #248 Dave In Austin

There are some fine looking young Aryans in that crowd tonite. Notice the red ties?

I don’t know about Vandy, but I’m pretty sure at Belmont the College Democrats could hold a meeting in a phone booth.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:38:47pm

re: #265 goddamnedfrank

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He’s losing it again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:39:00pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:39:02pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:39:05pm

re: #269 Citizen K

I forget if I ever asked it here or not, but…what the hell is with this upsurge of Jackson fanaticism I’m seeing? Has it always existed and I’ve just not seen it, or is this a Trum-era upsurge?

I ask because one shitheel from an online group I’m in had the same sort of Jackson fetishism that outright baffled me when I first heard it.

I think it’s a Trump era thing, but I’m not positive. It makes no sense at all for earlier stages of the political prion disease that is US conservatism.

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451_Montag  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:39:51pm

re: #268 Ace Rothstein

So there you go, Trump has just shown his hand. He’s going to blame the Democrats when the ACA isn’t destroyed.

I would quite like the democrats to publically state that they are going to abstain in the vote, leaving it all to the repugs.

Not really but it would be funny as hell for about 2 minutes

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:40:12pm
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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:40:25pm

re: #274 HappyWarrior

That the original ban included Iraq, but this one didn’t?

That’s at the same time that the Admin claimed this was absolutely necessary to include Iraq because of the threat posed.

They’re not particularly bright, and that’s a saving grace for holding out to 2018 to retake Congress and reintroduce some measure of sanity into DC politics.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:40:34pm

re: #269 Citizen K

I forget if I ever asked it here or not, but…what the hell is with this upsurge of Jackson fanaticism I’m seeing? Has it always existed and I’ve just not seen it, or is this a Trum-era upsurge?

I ask because one shitheel from an online group I’m in had the same sort of Jackson fetishism that outright baffled me when I first heard it.

Okay, I’ll try, from what I understand Bannon is a huge Jackson fan. I think some of this was in response to the Obama Treasury department plan to replace Jackson with Tubman. Honestly, I actually have some mixed emotions on Jackson but I also feel that you can’t talk about Jackson without talking about the Trail of Tears.

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stpaulbear  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:40:41pm

re: #257 jaunte

Trump mentions Hawaii and the crowd boos like trained animals.

Trump only likes states that didn’t get bombed in WW2.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:40:50pm

re: #265 goddamnedfrank

I was watching “All the President’s Men” just last night. Fantastic flick.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:41:12pm

re: #269 Citizen K

I forget if I ever asked it here or not, but…what the hell is with this upsurge of Jackson fanaticism I’m seeing? Has it always existed and I’ve just not seen it, or is this a Trum-era upsurge?

I ask because one shitheel from an online group I’m in had the same sort of Jackson fetishism that outright baffled me when I first heard it.

Pretty sure it started with Harriet Tubman and the $20 bill.

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ObserverArt  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:41:58pm

You know I’ve said a lot about our new President.

But I don’t recall saying this and meant in as crude a way as possible…

Our Fucking President is an Asshole.

Simply put. Just his mannerisms tonight in this ‘speech’ in Tennessee. 100% Pure Asshole. You don’t even need to consider anything else about him, like policy, governing, leading and the like. The guy is just an asshole. Everything else comes after that.

Ugh.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:42:07pm

re: #282 lawhawk

That the original ban included Iraq, but this one didn’t?

That’s at the same time that the Admin claimed this was absolutely necessary to include Iraq because of the threat posed.

They’re not particularly bright, and that’s a saving grace for holding out to 2018 to retake Congress and reintroduce some measure of sanity into DC politics.

Right, the original one had an Iraq ban(hey thanks for helping our troops at great risk to yourself!) and a ban on any refugees from Syria. I’ll post the memo I did in a second.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:42:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:42:41pm

Deleted too long, this will be a page.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:43:23pm

re: #279 EPR-radar

I think it’s a Trump era thing, but I’m not positive. It makes no sense at all for earlier stages of the political prion disease that is US conservatism.

The US Treasury made the (right) decision to replace Jackson on the $20 bill with Harriet Tubman last year. And the GOP rank-and-file went fucking nuts with all sorts of racist/fascist bile.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:43:47pm
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Nyet  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:44:32pm

re: #287 ObserverArt

You know I’ve said a lot about our new President.

But I don’t recall saying this and meant in as crude a way as possible…

Our Fucking President is an Asshole.

Simply put. Just his mannerisms tonight in this ‘speech’ in Tennessee. 100% Pure Asshole. You don’t even need to consider anything else about him, like policy, governing, leading and the like. The guy is just an asshole. Everything else comes after that.

Ugh.

A person that makes Bush look almost OK must be the King of Assholes.

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jaunte  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:44:43pm

re: #284 stpaulbear

His fans’ abandonment of rationality is dis gusting.

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TedStriker  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:45:14pm

re: #252 Ace Rothstein

“We are going to repeal and replace horrible, disastrous Obamacare.”

Pretty fucking ironic, considering that this city is known and renowned for its health care sector.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:45:19pm

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hey, if those Americans didn’t want to die from diseases that are easily treated if detected early, they shouldn’t have chosen to be less than rich!
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:45:24pm

re: #285 Ace Rothstein

I was watching “All the President’s Men” just last night. Fantastic flick.

I’m about to go to a special showing of 2001: A Space Odyssey at the local Studio Movie Grill. I’ll get my drinky on and watch what happens in an alternate reality where Trump issued secret commands to a space ship’s AI computer.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:46:03pm

re: #291 Myron Falwell

The US Treasury made the (right) decision to replace Jackson on the $20 bill with Harriet Tubman last year. And the GOP rank-and-file went fucking nuts with all sorts of racist/fascist bile.

The same people who love to brag about how Tubman, Douglass, and African-American rights activists of the 19th century whom were Republicans went ballistic over the fact that Obama’s Treasury chose to place an African-American Republican woman on the 20th to replace a White Democratic man.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:46:24pm

re: #295 TedStriker

Pretty fucking ironic, considering that this city is known and renowned for its health care sector.

I doubt he knows that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:46:52pm

from earlier today in Michigan:

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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:47:43pm
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mmmirele  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:47:46pm

This is an oil pastel painting of a sliced strawberry. It’s on a 9x12 piece of sanded paper. I’m not a trained artist (didn’t even think about art until I moved to Arizona in 2001) and I’m more interested in color than anything else, but this is probably my best work so far. (Usually I do pears.)

And yes, as I was finishing up, I was getting a Georgia O’Keeffe vibe from it. Oh well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:48:01pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:48:21pm

And i still remember the vapid NRO’s response to the Tubman decision too.

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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:48:33pm
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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:49:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:49:06pm

re: #302 mmmirele

This is an oil pastel painting of a sliced strawberry. It’s on a 9x12 piece of sanded paper. I’m not a trained artist and I’m more interested in color than anything else, but this is probably my best work so far. (Usually I do pears.)

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And yes, as I was finishing up, I was getting a Georgia O’Keeffe vibe from it. Oh well.

Hey, that’s pretty good. colored pencil? My aunt draws with those.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:49:21pm

re: #302 mmmirele

This is an oil pastel painting of a sliced strawberry. It’s on a 9x12 piece of sanded paper. I’m not a trained artist and I’m more interested in color than anything else, but this is probably my best work so far. (Usually I do pears.)

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And yes, as I was finishing up, I was getting a Georgia O’Keeffe vibe from it. Oh well.

Well, I wasn’t, till I read that, but NOW I am.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:49:47pm

re: #269 Citizen K

I forget if I ever asked it here or not, but…what the hell is with this upsurge of Jackson fanaticism I’m seeing? Has it always existed and I’ve just not seen it, or is this a Trum-era upsurge?

I ask because one shitheel from an online group I’m in had the same sort of Jackson fetishism that outright baffled me when I first heard it.

Andrew Jackson: The Craziest Motherfucker Ever Elected President (Until Trump)

Andrew Jackson: Most Terrifying Man Ever Elected President

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:49:52pm

re: #305 gocart mozart

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I’m liking Perez as DNC chair. I think he really can speak about immigration better than Ellison could being a son of immigrants himself.

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Nyet  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:49:57pm

re: #301 gocart mozart

Why in addition to being so dumb does Stone have to also look so weird?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:50:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:51:03pm

re: #306 gocart mozart

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Way to go Steve! David Duke and Richard Spencer. Really though, I saw this last night. IT angers me deeply on a personal level.

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Nyet  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:51:12pm

re: #302 mmmirele

This is an oil pastel painting of a sliced strawberry. It’s on a 9x12 piece of sanded paper. I’m not a trained artist (didn’t even think about art until I moved to Arizona in 2001) and I’m more interested in color than anything else, but this is probably my best work so far. (Usually I do pears.)

[Embedded content]

And yes, as I was finishing up, I was getting a Georgia O’Keeffe vibe from it. Oh well.

It’s wonderful, Mirele.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:51:40pm

re: #311 Nyet

Why in addition to being so dumb does Stone have to also look so weird?

A lot of his suck ups are that way. Jeffrey Lord gives me a Nosferatu vibe.

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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:52:26pm

re: #301 gocart mozart

Why are they so incompetent? I know a guy who knows a guy who gets it right the first time.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:52:39pm

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What an idiot.

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teleskiguy  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:53:01pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:53:11pm

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m thinking, yeah, he knows.

Remember when Huckabee was gonna win because he was the friendly, funny, approachable Conservative? Not a firebreathing idiot?

Good times.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:53:43pm

re: #269 Citizen K

I forget if I ever asked it here or not, but…what the hell is with this upsurge of Jackson fanaticism I’m seeing? Has it always existed and I’ve just not seen it, or is this a Trum-era upsurge?

I ask because one shitheel from an online group I’m in had the same sort of Jackson fetishism that outright baffled me when I first heard it.

Probably has a lot to do with the NoDAPL protests, a way of saying “fuck Native Americans,” without actually saying it. Jackson is kind of an oddball in that he was both violently xenophobic and fought to end slavery. So modern Republicans see him as a kind of idealized totem for their brand of “I’m not racist” flagrant racism.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:53:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:54:13pm

re: #319 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m thinking, yeah, he knows.

Remember when Huckabee was gonna win because he was the friendly, funny, approachable Conservative? Not a firebreathing idiot?

Good times.

I was guilty of thinking that in 2008. I never would have voted for him but he seemed “likable”. To some of the conservatives I knew at that time, they disliked him, of course it was for all the wrong reasons.

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TedStriker  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:54:22pm

re: #275 Barefoot Grin

I don’t know about Vandy, but I’m pretty sure at Belmont the College Democrats could hold a meeting in a phone booth.

Maybe so, but Nashville/Davidson County is overwhelmingly Democrat, the only large area besides Memphis/Shelby County that is in this state. If I had to guess about the crowd down in Municipal right now, I’d wager that an overwhelming majority of them are from the GOP-leaning parts of town (Green Hills, Oak Hill, Brentwood [though the majority of Brentwood lies in the GOP stronghold of Williamson County, one of the richest counties in the US]) or from the deeply red ring counties (of which Williamson County is one).

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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:54:32pm
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Stanley Sea  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:55:07pm

re: #289 Backwoods_Sleuth

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probs

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TedStriker  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:55:43pm

re: #299 HappyWarrior

I doubt he knows that.

Probably because President Bannon didn’t bother to tell him.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:56:06pm

re: #320 goddamnedfrank

Probably has a lot to do with the NoDAPL protests, a way of saying “fuck Native Americans,” without actually saying it. Jackson is kind of an oddball in that he was both violently xenophobic and fought to end slavery. So modern Republicans see him as a kind of idealized totem for their brand of “I’m not racist” flagrant racism.

Did Jackson fight to end slavery? I think it’s honestly the pop culture image of Jackson as “Original American Badass” that has emerged in recent years. As I pointed out this morning, you can’t even excuse Jackson for being a product of his time since Justice Marshall and then Congressman Davy Crockett saw what he was doing to the Cherokee and other tribes was unconstitutional and wrong.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 15, 2017 • 5:57:54pm

re: #300 Backwoods_Sleuth

from earlier today in Michigan:

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Fucking rattle the keys.

Addled old salesman

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2017 • 6:03:11pm

re: #327 HappyWarrior

Did Jackson fight to end slavery?

Oops, you’re right. For some reason I had mentally conflated his military service with Johnson’s.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2017 • 6:03:22pm

re: #320 goddamnedfrank

Violently xenophobic. Fought to preserve the Union and suppressed attempted insurrection (aka secession/States Rights solutions). Had he been alive when his kid joined the Confederacy, I have no doubt that Andrew Jackson would have strangled him with his bare hands.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Mar 15, 2017 • 6:05:39pm

re: #265 goddamnedfrank

re: #285 Ace Rothstein

It wasn’t really an accident that I showed my Government class “All The Presidents Men” this week, really…

Oh damn, I’m downstairs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2017 • 6:06:00pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2017 • 6:06:22pm

re: #330 lawhawk

Violently xenophobic. Fought to preserve the Union and suppressed attempted insurrection (aka secession/States Rights solutions). Had he been alive when his kid joined the Confederacy, I have no doubt that Andrew Jackson would have strangled him with his bare hands.

Yes, but also kept slaves and was honored by the Confederacy. He was a staunch Federalist and prevented prior attempts at secession over tariff issues but I was totally wrong in saying he fought to end slavery.

His appeal to modern Republicans seems to lie 100% in his being a giant dick to the First Nations.

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TedStriker  Mar 15, 2017 • 6:07:21pm

re: #329 goddamnedfrank

Oops, you’re right. For some reason I had mentally conflated his military service with Johnson’s.

Jackson had quite a few slaves working at the Hermitage.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 6:08:12pm

re: #329 goddamnedfrank

Oops, you’re right. For some reason I had mentally conflated his military service with Johnson’s.

It’s all good. Both named Andrew, both common J last names, and both from the Volunteer state. Easy enough mistake. Johnson’s one saving grace is that he was a Unionist and from what I remember reading did stand up for Catohlic immigrants but aside from that………

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2017 • 6:08:25pm

re: #323 TedStriker

Maybe so, but Nashville/Davidson County is overwhelmingly Democrat, the only large area besides Memphis/Shelby County that is in this state. If I had to guess about the crowd down in Municipal right now, I’d wager that an overwhelming majority of them are from the GOP-leaning parts of town (Green Hills, Oak Hill, Brentwood [though the majority of Brentwood lies in the GOP stronghold of Williamson County, one of the richest counties in the US]) or from the deeply red ring counties (of which Williamson County is one).

Thanks. I had no idea except for a couple of visits that included a conference at Belmont. And to be honest, that was a nice campus with very welcoming people.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 6:08:40pm

re: #330 lawhawk

Violently xenophobic. Fought to preserve the Union and suppressed attempted insurrection (aka secession/States Rights solutions). Had he been alive when his kid joined the Confederacy, I have no doubt that Andrew Jackson would have strangled him with his bare hands.

He hated Calhoun as much as he did Clay.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2017 • 6:10:28pm

Jackson’s appeal was that he came from a modest background and worked his way up. I mean I can see why Jackson does inspire some people but at the same time, I really feel that Jackson cannot be objectively talked about without talking about slavery and the Trail of Tears especially.

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mmmirele  Mar 15, 2017 • 6:13:27pm

re: #307 HappyWarrior

Hey, that’s pretty good. colored pencil? My aunt draws with those.

Actually, oil pastels, which are a wax, oil and pigment mixture put in stick form. They were invented by two Japanese guys in the 1920s and are often used in school (more wax, more oil and less pigment). I use professional versions (softer, more pigment). Picasso prevailed upon an art supplier to make some for him because he couldn’t get the Japanese version. They’re still sold today—the Sennelier brand, very creamy, with the consistency of lipstick.

I like them because they’re very spontaneous. I can put a piece of paper on my board and just go to town if I want. No water, no turpentine needed (can use turps to soften them, but I prefer not).

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Mar 15, 2017 • 6:23:26pm

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 15, 2017 • 6:43:53pm

re: #332 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I hope the fugitive made it to Detroit (the penultimate stop on the Underground Railroad)

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:06:42pm

re: #33 Moebym

Since I’m a 1st Generation Dutch-American I’ve been there a few times-I went over for my cousin’s wedding in 1988. Sadly, my mother is the only living member of her linegae, and none of her sons have produced any offspring-and I don’t think any of my other cousins have had children that have survived sue one misfortune or another.


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