Trump’s Budget Will Eliminate the National Endowments for the Arts and Humanities

Another huge step backward
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The National Endowments for the Arts and Humanities has long been a target of the Republican Party, and tonight we learn that Donald Trump is planning to completely eliminate it.

President Trump is proposing the elimination of the National Endowments for the Arts and Humanities in his federal budget plan to be released early Thursday, the chairwoman of the arts endowment told her staff on Wednesday.

When President Lyndon Johnson created the National Endowments for the Arts in 1965, the legislation stated:

An advanced civilization must not limit its efforts to science and technology alone, but must give full value and support to the other great branches of scholarly and cultural activity in order to achieve a better understanding of the past, a better analysis of the present, and a better view of the future.

But clearly, in the Trump era, it’s no longer a priority for the United States to be an “advanced civilization.”

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:11:34pm

Hat tip to @Stonekettle

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Kragar  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:12:09pm
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whitebeach  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:14:04pm

I’m trying to remember the last time I thought it couldn’t get any worse. It seems like a long, long time ago.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:16:18pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:19:13pm

Our President can not grip the Humanities, or being a Humanitarian, in demonstrable fact is just one awful human being. Heartless, craven and mean.

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Kragar  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:20:03pm
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Stanley Sea  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:20:58pm

re: #3 whitebeach

I’m trying to remember the last time I thought it couldn’t get any worse. It seems like a long, long time ago.

Sleeping a lot.

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jaunte  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:21:44pm

For Trump, a successful casino is the highest form of Western Civilization. So he still has something to shoot for.

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retired cynic  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:22:21pm

Kos carries a post from Stephen Wolf about the advantage Republicans have through gerrymandering.

“You can think of that advantage as a 5.5 percent cushion Republicans have just from the maps. It might take a wave election similar to 2006 or 2008 for Democrats to regain the House thanks to these districts. If we want to ensure our electoral system rewards the party that wins the most votes with the most seats, reducing or eliminating the Republican median seat advantage would go a long way to doing so”

dailykos.com

We gots some work to do.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:22:44pm

re: #6 Kragar

You forgot, “freely taking shit away from the ‘unciviized.’”

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:22:49pm

We already have the best art…
Fantastic art…
Just marvelous art…

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:23:59pm

re: #11 FormerDirtDart

Just outside the perspective of the frame, someone just opened the Ark of the Covenant.

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jaunte  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:25:49pm

re: #11 FormerDirtDart

Took me a second of being stunned by the frame to see the hands.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:26:10pm

re: #12 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Just outside the perspective of the frame, someone just opened the Ark of the Covenant.

I didn’t notice when I grabbed the image off google, but look at the hands…lol

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Citizen K  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:26:29pm

No surprise, but just like almost every single appointee, Price is looking to utterly undermine the purpose and sanity of the HHS:

Like…my god. I know Trump is an anti-vax crazy, but to have the head of the fucking Health and Human Services parrot this line is…..

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Joe Bacon  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:28:20pm

Tonight the National Endowment for the Arts is terminated, tomorrow say good bye to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, NPR and PBS.

After all, Sinclair, Fox, Right wing preachers and other right wing media companies need to gobble up more TV and radio stations to broadcast Republican propaganda!

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Citizen K  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:30:26pm

re: #16 Joe Bacon

Tonight the National Endowment for the Arts is terminated, tomorrow say good bye to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, NPR and PBS.

After all, Sinclair, Fox, Right wing preachers and other right wing media companies need to gobble up more TV and radio stations to broadcast Republican propaganda!

Like…the speed things are going to be dismantled is head-spinning. And we’re not going to get some of these things back in one form or another for generations…

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retired cynic  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:31:26pm

re: #17 Citizen K

Like…the speed things are going to be dismantled is head-spinning. And we’re not going to get some of these things back in one form or another for generations…

Keep the brake pedal pushed all the way to the floor.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:33:56pm

re: #15 Citizen K

Tom Price is a member of quack medical association AAPS
, who are utterly nuts in a “John Birch Society, MD” kind of way.

ETA: and are in particular obsessed with (1) vaccine conspiracies, (2) magical “free market solutions”—so you’re right on the money.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:35:58pm

re: #15 Citizen K

Question—Why is Trump packing HHS with Anti-vaxers?

Answer—he and his fellow Republicans wants the weak to die in the name of Ayn Rand.

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makeitstop  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:36:28pm

Dogs, man…

(Hidden because it’s so NSFW)

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:37:26pm

Seriously… they aren’t even intending to get this passed. If the GOP rank-and-file is brainwashed enough to pass it, then it’s a bonus for Bannon and Trump.

It’s set up to fail, just like TrumpCare was set up to fail. That it is even being proposed is the real atrocity.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:39:20pm
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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:40:57pm

I seriously think that their end game is for this budget to fail, followed by a government shutdown and forced austerity… where Bannon can exact the cuts THAT way.

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bratwurst  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:43:54pm
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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:44:32pm

OF COURSE they’re defunding NEA.

These are people who don’t like art if it doesn’t confirm what they already think and feel. Anything experimental or edgy…or even just a little odd…feels like an attack.

This is the converse of the trite, repetitive cultural output that is produced inside the wingnut bubble: the shitty same-stereotypes-repeated comedy; the didactic “religious” movies and books; the history and fiction books that exist only to cram in the same ideas, no matter how inaccurate and anachronistic.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:45:30pm

re: #24 FormerDirtDart

Everyone else despises his existence outside of his brain-dead People’s Temple-esque acolytes, so why not?

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Dave In Austin  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:46:56pm

Nothing to see here but some good ol’ Oklahoma Republican man/boy action.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:48:02pm

re: #19 FormerDirtDart

Man breaks into Arizona mosque, desecrates copies of Quran - ABC News

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Best thing is I found is Shoulder to Shoulder

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teleskiguy  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:49:15pm

re: #29 Dave In Austin

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:51:25pm
Tom Price seething and thinking “Damn you, Katie Needle. Fuck your ovaries.
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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:53:06pm

re: #29 Dave In Austin

Republicans are far more likely to sexually abuse you than any transgendered individual.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:53:50pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 15, 2017 • 8:57:24pm

It’s been said a few times now, worth repeating. The speed at which things are going straight to shit is fucking astounding. When does slavery get legalized? Are debtors prisons going to make a comeback?

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Citizen K  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:00:48pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

It’s been said a few times now, worth repeating. The speed at which things are going straight to shit is fucking astounding. When does slavery get legalized? Are debtors prisons going to make a comeback?

I’m expecting us to get sucked into a war, any war, by Summer at the latest.

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:02:38pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

It’s been said a few times now, worth repeating. The speed at which things are going straight to shit is fucking astounding. When does slavery get legalized? Are debtors prisons going to make a comeback?

I wonder what it looked like when Wilson decided to end the ability for blacks to work in government. I suspect it looked a lot like this, but without a lot of groups running around opposing those actions.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:04:03pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

With the way an entire political party is totally disconnected from reality and acting like brainwashed zombies, a Bosnian-type war isn’t out of the question.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:04:42pm

re: #36 Citizen K

I’m expecting us to get sucked into a war, any war, by Summer at the latest.

…stateside.

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Anymouse  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:04:47pm

re: #29 Dave In Austin

Nothing to see here but some good ol’ Oklahoma Republican man/boy action.

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I’m really glad I don’t live in Oklahoma any more. When Mary Fallin was elected, my wife and I decided it was time to leave.

The only problem with that strategy is it takes unlimited amounts of money to do it every time a wingnut is elected somewhere.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:05:37pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

It’s been said a few times now, worth repeating. The speed at which things are going straight to shit is fucking astounding. When does slavery get legalized? Are debtors prisons going to make a comeback?

Prong 1: Unaffordable Healthcare Act
Prong 2: Healthcare Lenders and Borrowing Act
prong 3: Privatization of Debtors Prisons and Immigration Detention Centers Act

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Anymouse  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:07:10pm

re: #39 Myron Falwell

…stateside.

When my wife and I were in Poland a couple years ago, a woman asked us why we would want to return to the USA, as she thought the country was ripe for a breakout of civil war.

I really don’t want to see such a thing The only one we had so far was the most destructive war our nation was ever involved in, and that was with XIX Century armaments.

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Teukka  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:08:57pm

re: #42 Anymouse

When my wife and I were in Poland a couple years ago, a woman asked us why we would want to return to the USA, as she thought the country was ripe for a breakout of civil war.

I really don’t want to see such a thing The only one we had so far was the most destructive war our nation was ever involved in, and that was with XIX Century armaments.

My country had its own close to 100 years ago. It turns 100 in December this year. And yeah, the Finnish civ was destructive and caused wounds that still haven’t healed completely.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:11:15pm

re: #29 Dave In Austin

Nothing to see here but some good ol’ Oklahoma Republican man/boy action.

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I’m old enough to remember when Billy James Hargis the Christian Crusader based out of Oklahoma was caught in multiple moments with young boys. But it didn’t matter to his congregation because Jesus always forgave Billy!

100 years ago the state with the largest Socialist Party was Oklahoma. But add in 100 years of Jesus and POOF!

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Anymouse  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:11:40pm

Me…

Me
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Joe Bacon  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:12:50pm

re: #39 Myron Falwell

…stateside.

Honestly, I don’t see that happening but more and more I DO see the possibility of DC collapsing and the US breaking into pieces just like the USSR did.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:14:12pm

re: #36 Citizen K

I’m expecting us to get sucked into a war, any war, by Summer at the latest.

GOP lawmakers renew push for ISIS war authorization - The Hill

“…A pair of Republican members from the House and Senate are launching a new push for Congress to pass a war authorization for the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

Rep. Jim Banks (R-Ind.) introduced a bill Wednesday that would authorize U.S. forces to target ISIS, following an identical bill in the Senate introduced by Sen. Todd Young (R-Ind.).

“Our constituents send us to Congress to represent their views, and they should have their voices heard as we consider more military action in the fight against ISIS.” Banks said in a statement. “The Constitution grants Congress the power of declaring war, and we need to take that obligation seriously.”…”

“…The legal justification for the fight against ISIS has so far been the AUMF that was passed in the days following the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, while the 2002 AUMF that authorized the Iraq War has also intermittently been cited as justification.

But that justification has been controversial for some because ISIS did not exist when the AUMFs passed in the early 2000s. Others say that while the justification may be legally sound, passing a new AUMF would represent a show of support for U.S. troops…”

“…Former President Barack Obama requested Congress pass a new AUMF in 2015, but the proposal went nowhere, with Republicans arguing it was too restrictive and Democrats saying it was too broad.

Lawmakers have also introduced various AUMFs in recent years, but they fell flat over the same arguments…”

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Anymouse  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:14:59pm

re: #46 Joe Bacon

Honestly, I don’t see that happening but more and more I DO see the possibility of DC collapsing and the US breaking into pieces just like the USSR did.

If the USA were to break up, there would be war between the remnant nations.

And if California were to do something stupid like secede, there are plenty of folks that would like to take the US Navy’s cruise missiles and aircraft carriers and turn its largest cities into big smoking holes.

The nation has to hang together, or it will surely hang separately (with apologies to a famous guy back in the XVIII Century)

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teleskiguy  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:17:02pm

re: #41 FormerDirtDart

Prong 1: Unaffordable Healthcare Act
Prong 2: Healthcare Lenders and Borrowing Act
prong 3: Privatization of Debtors Prisons and Immigration Detention Centers Act

And next thing you know

Giphy

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:17:11pm

re: #42 Anymouse

When my wife and I were in Poland a couple years ago, a woman asked us why we would want to return to the USA, as she thought the country was ripe for a breakout of civil war.

I really don’t want to see such a thing The only one we had so far was the most destructive war our nation was ever involved in, and that was with XIX Century armaments.

It’s been a latent fear of mine.

Sarah Kenzidor could probably testify that there are those in deep red states that think forced ethnic cleansing is a necessity.

This could get really ugly, really fast, and with the worst possible people running the country to boot.

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retired cynic  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:17:18pm

edit

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prairiefire  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:18:15pm

We seem to be as about threadbare as 1977, only with about 60% more self awareness.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:20:10pm
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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:20:28pm

re: #43 Teukka

My country had its own close to 100 years ago. It turns 100 in December this year. And yeah, the Finnish civ was destructive and caused wounds that still haven’t healed completely.

The US never healed from its own uncivil war. We have people in charge that are convinced that the Confederacy was robbed.

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Anymouse  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:20:58pm

re: #50 Myron Falwell

It’s been a latent fear of mine.

Sarah Kenzidor could probably testify that there are those in deep red states that think forced ethnic cleansing is a necessity.

This could get really ugly, really fast, and with the worst possible people running the country to boot.

And really, the only way to avoid such things (along with “genocide of liberals” as was mentioned a couple days ago at a rally in Arizona) is for liberals to stay put and keep trying to educate that a difference of opinion on politics is not the same as wanting someone dead.

(At least for now, I’m safe.)

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Kragar  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:21:26pm
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Teukka  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:21:36pm

re: #50 Myron Falwell

It’s been a latent fear of mine.

Sarah Kenzidor could probably testify that there are those in deep red states that think forced ethnic cleansing is a necessity.

This could get really ugly, really fast, and with the worst possible people running the country to boot.

Link related: genocidewatch.com

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teleskiguy  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:22:41pm

re: #54 Myron Falwell

The US never healed from its own uncivil war. We have people in charge that are convinced that the Confederacy was robbed.

Confederate flags can be found in dens in Wisconsin, trucks all across the south, in front of houses in California, and on the desk of a congressman from Iowa.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:23:17pm

re: #46 Joe Bacon

Honestly, I don’t see that happening but more and more I DO see the possibility of DC collapsing and the US breaking into pieces just like the USSR did.

In 1998, Russian professor Igor Panarin predicted that the United States would disintegrate in a few years. Might have been wishful thinking on his part following the the breakup of the Soviet Union and his wish of seeing a similar fate befall their adversary. Or maybe he was observing real trends in the United States that could lead to our collapse. Helped along of course by the Russian intervention in our election .

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Anymouse  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:23:23pm

OOH my wife made pizza … yum … gotta eat.

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Anymouse  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:24:41pm

re: #58 teleskiguy

Confederate flags can be found in dens in Wisconsin, trucks all across the south, in front of houses in California, and on the desk of a congressman from Iowa.

There’s a wingnut in the county seat here that flies a Dixie Swastika from his house, and then there’s my neo-Nazi neighbours.

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teleskiguy  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:28:45pm

re: #61 Anymouse

There’s a wingnut in the county seat here that flies a Dixie Swastika from his house

In the panhandle of Nebraska. That’s not “southern pride.” That’s something more evil.

and then there’s my neo-Nazi neighbours.

What. The. Fuck?!?
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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:31:40pm

re: #57 Teukka

Link related: genocidewatch.com

Yup. The denial, BTW, runs strong and runs deep among the right. Every. Single. One.

Persecution? Yup, with the First Nations, the transgendered and with the twice-unconstitutional Muslim ban.

It’s not exactly linear here, but JFC.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:32:45pm

Just under an hour and a half away…

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Joe Bacon  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:32:48pm

When it comes to Art, this is what passes for it among Republican voters!

Jesus assists Trump in destroying Obamacare.
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thecommodore  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:33:01pm

But PISS CHRIST!!11!!

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retired cynic  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:33:51pm

re: #65 Joe Bacon

When it comes to Art, this is what passes for it among Republican voters!

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Ooooh, his hands are so BIG!

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Joe Bacon  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:35:54pm

re: #66 thecommodore

But PISS CHRIST!!11!!

Add in those dirty Mapplethorpe pictures, Marlon Riggs “Tongues United”, “Godless gay dances”, Museum exhibits “Biased against Biblical Creation” and blasphemous PBS shows…

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:39:24pm

re: #48 Anymouse

If the USA were to break up, there would be war between the remnant nations.

And if California were to do something stupid like secede, there are plenty of folks that would like to take the US Navy’s cruise missiles and aircraft carriers and turn its largest cities into big smoking holes.

The nation has to hang together, or it will surely hang separately (with apologies to a famous guy back in the XVIII Century)

Is the US worth saving?

The answer should be an automatic “yes.” But I admittedly have been tempering that “yes” quite a bit of late, far more than I should.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:39:33pm

re: #27 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

OF COURSE they’re defunding NEA.

These are people who don’t like art if it doesn’t confirm what they already think and feel. Anything experimental or edgy…or even just a little odd…feels like an attack

A lot of this animus goes back to the NEA Four incident:

The “NEA Four”, Karen Finley, Tim Miller, John Fleck, and Holly Hughes, were performance artists whose proposed grants from the United States government’s National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) were vetoed by John Frohnmayer in June 1990. Grants were overtly vetoed on the basis of subject matter after the artists had successfully passed through a peer review process. John Fleck was vetoed for a performance comedy with a toilet prop.[1] The artists won their case in court in 1993 and were awarded amounts equal to the grant money in question, though the case would make its way to the United States Supreme Court in National Endowment for the Arts v. Finley.[2] In response, the NEA, under pressure from Congress, stopped funding individual artists.[3]

John Fleck is best known for playing the recurring character Silik in Star Trek:Enterprise.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:41:16pm

Folks, just as I predicted above. Goodbye Public Broadcasting!

Public Broadcasting Zeroed Out!
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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:42:04pm

re: #70 Eric The Fruit Bat

Yup, the “Piss Christ” debacle. Limbaugh and the RWNJ claptrap cabal have used it as a whipping boy against the NEA ever since.

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retired cynic  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:43:29pm

re: #71 Joe Bacon

Folks, just as I predicted above. Goodbye Public Broadcasting!

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Less than 3 whole billion!!

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Moebym  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:44:19pm

re: #69 Myron Falwell

Is the US worth saving?

The answer should be an automatic “yes.” But I admittedly have been tempering that “yes” quite a bit of late, far more than I should.

I had had this discussion with a friend recently, and he chewed me out for telling him that there’s little to nothing redeemable about the US. Granted, I was in a dark mood then, but my faith in the ability of Americans to uphold our ideals has been diminishing since before 11/8.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:45:14pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:45:36pm

Trump can propose a budget but it still has to get through Congress and the Senate. It’s possible that there are enough Republicans who care about some of these programs to reduce the damage.

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retired cynic  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:47:11pm

re: #76 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump can propose a budget but it still has to get through Congress and the Senate. It’s possible that there are enough Republicans who care about some of these programs to reduce the damage.

They have to get threatened in their voting boxes.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:47:23pm

re: #69 Myron Falwell

Problem is, every permutation of “the US isn’t saved” is even uglier.

Countries ending…well, it’s not about justice, it’s about collapse. Though the latter is as blind in its cruelty as the former is in its equanimity.

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jaunte  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:48:29pm

re: #76 Hecuba’s daughter

I hope they’re beginning to feel the extreme disconnect between Republican “principles” and constituent service.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:48:33pm

re: #76 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump can propose a budget but it still has to get through Congress and the Senate. It’s possible that there are enough Republicans who care about some of these programs to reduce the damage.

If the GOP congresscritters wanted to avoid any town hall meetings during the TrumpCare debacle, they haven’t seen anything yet.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:49:08pm

re: #74 Moebym

I had had this discussion with a friend recently, and he chewed me out for telling him that there’s little to nothing redeemable about the US. Granted, I was in a dark mood then, but my faith in the ability of Americans to uphold our ideals has been diminishing since before 11/8.

Remember Hillary did win a plurality of votes. Let’s not despair yet.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:52:40pm
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Myron Falwell  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:54:31pm

re: #78 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Problem is, every permutation of “the US isn’t saved” is even uglier.

Countries ending…well, it’s not about justice, it’s about collapse. Though the latter is as blind in its cruelty as the former is in its equanimity.

Cruelty with an orphaned nuclear arsenal.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:58:12pm

Dog damn media, populist my ass, fading my ass.
Xenophobic fascistic fervor

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 9:59:40pm
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:00:29pm
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retired cynic  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:01:55pm

re: #85 FormerDirtDart

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She should step up, don’t you think?

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:02:22pm

re: #86 FormerDirtDart

I’ve lost the link, but the makers of Vicodin are super excited to expand their product into international markets.

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Robert O.  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:06:49pm

There goes America’s soft power. We are now a corrupt pseudo-democracy where half the citizenry and politicians don’t believe in science, and who could care less about culture. It’s guns, and violence!

An interesting point of reference is to look across the Pacific. 50 years ago, the Chinese were busy destroying their national heritage when they had a madman in power who started the Cultural Revolution. In the last 40 years, what we have seen is that as China rises, not only are they content with matching the West in GDP and living standards, but in recent recent years, China’s government has poured billions into scientific research (with the aim of overtaking us), and they are vigorously promoting arts and culture (and exporting their values overseas), knowing full well that these are the things that actually define a great civilization,. And they just seem so determined in their quest to rebuild their ancient empire back to its rightful place in history.

In the mean time, the US is tearing down its own civilization. Trump is repeating the Soviet mistake of building a vast military machine well beyond what can be justified, while Americans are increasingly sick, increasingly uneducated, and basically becoming a laughing stock. Never mind that no one can eat missiles or tanks or aircraft carriers. While we rack up huge trade deficits with the rest of the world, we seem not to realize that we have long ago stopped producing what the world’s customers want, and the things we are good at making (weapons) simply don’t sell enough units to sustain a great civilization.

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retired cynic  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:08:51pm

re: #89 Robert O.

This hasn’t happened yet. And I’ve seen the size of the popular vote, and I’ve seen the sizes of the respective rallies. I’m heartsick, but I’m not dead.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:08:54pm

What will things look like after a 23% cut to Health and Human Services budget?

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Broad With Sass  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:13:43pm

re: #64 FormerDirtDart

Just under an hour and a half away…

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Thanks for the reminder…to walk to end of the driveway and watch it soar :)

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retired cynic  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:16:43pm

re: #92 bws58

Thanks for the reminder…to walk to end of the driveway and watch it soar :)

You lucky…

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wheat-dogg  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:19:28pm

re: #89 Robert O.

There goes America’s soft power. We are now a corrupt pseudo-democracy where half the citizenry and politicians don’t believe in science, and who could care less about culture. It’s guns, and violence!

An interesting point of reference is to look across the Pacific. 50 years ago, the Chinese were busy destroying their national heritage when they had a madman in power who started the Cultural Revolution. In the last 40 years, what we have seen is that as China rises, not only are they content with matching the West in GDP and living standards, but in recent recent years, China’s government has poured billions into scientific research (with the aim of overtaking us), and they are vigorously promoting arts and culture (and exporting their values overseas), knowing full well that these are the things that actually define a great civilization,. And they just seem so determined in their quest to rebuild their ancient empire back to its rightful place in history.

In the mean time, the US is tearing down its own civilization. Trump is repeating the Soviet mistake of building a vast military machine well beyond what can be justified, while Americans are increasingly sick, increasingly uneducated, and basically becoming a laughing stock. Never mind that no one can eat missiles or tanks or aircraft carriers. While we rack up huge trade deficits with the rest of the world, we seem not to realize that we have long ago stopped producing what the world’s customers want, and the things we are good at making (weapons) simply don’t sell enough units to sustain a great civilization.

China’s infrastructure is now better than the USA’s, though at the expense of some homeowners’ property. (In China, you don’t own the land on which you build a house, you lease it from the government for 70 years.) Almost every square mile has cellphone service, and thus Internet coverage. (Though the ‘Net is heavily censored.) China has put several people in orbit, landed a probe (which quickly died) on the Moon, sent up dozens of satellites, expanded its wind and solar energy output, and now is even considering enforcing strict environmental laws. It wants to land a person on the Moon and send people to Mars, plus have its own permanent space station in LEO.

But it’s also become more territorial and militaristic as it expands its political and economic reach outside of Asia. Look for China to cut trade deals with Mexico and the other American nations as Trump turns his back on them.

Instead of making America First, Trump will demote us to second or third place.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:21:31pm

re: #15 Citizen K

No surprise, but just like almost every single appointee, Price is looking to utterly undermine the purpose and sanity of the HHS:

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Like…my god. I know Trump is an anti-vax crazy, but to have the head of the fucking Health and Human Services parrot this line is…..

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Moebym  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:24:30pm

re: #89 Robert O.

An interesting point of reference is to look across the Pacific. 50 years ago, the Chinese were busy destroying their national heritage when they had a madman in power who started the Cultural Revolution. In the last 40 years, what we have seen is that as China rises, not only are they content with matching the West in GDP and living standards, but in recent recent years, China’s government has poured billions into scientific research (with the aim of overtaking us), and they are vigorously promoting arts and culture (and exporting their values overseas), knowing full well that these are the things that actually define a great civilization,. And they just seem so determined in their quest to rebuild their ancient empire back to its rightful place in history.

I actually discussed this with a friend just the other day. China boasts several thousand years’ worth of history and culture, and has always been among the dominant world powers, if not THE most dominant world power for a good chunk of that time. The Chinese may very well be on their way back to reclaim that top spot by taking advantage of America’s relative weakness.

Being Chinese-American, I feel like I’m in a tight spot.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:24:59pm

Colbert parodies Maddow.

Stephen Pulls A ‘Rachel Maddow’

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mmmirele  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:26:07pm

re: #91 FormerDirtDart

Gogogogogogogogogo!

Both my late father and my mother have had wet macular degeneration. As a diabetic, that’s something I keep a really close eye on (heh heh) anyway but there’s a very real chance that my siblings and I have hit the negative genetic jackpot even without the dreaded diabeetus. I’m hoping advances continue to be made. Even stabilizing the vision is a big step.

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teleskiguy  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:29:54pm
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wheat-dogg  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:30:32pm

re: #95 Scottish Dragon

Speaking of ignorance, I’ll just drop this here.

He’s ‘Strine. Not one of ours, though.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:32:20pm

re: #96 Moebym

I actually discussed this with a friend just the other day. China boasts several thousand years worth of history and culture, and has always been among the dominant world powers, if not THE dominant world power for a good chunk of that time. The Chinese may very well be on their way back to reclaim that dominance.

Being Chinese-American, I feel like I’m in a tight spot.

I hear ya, though from a different perspective.

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retired cynic  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:33:18pm

re: #99 teleskiguy

Good. Now we need about 5 million more of those.

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teleskiguy  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:35:56pm

re: #102 retired cynic

@Trump_Regrets

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wheat-dogg  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:38:22pm

I wonder if the Dutch voters took a look at what Trump is doing here, and decided, “No fucking way is THAT going to happen here!”

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:41:12pm
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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:43:47pm

re: #104 wheat-dogg

I think it’s a matter of how big a factor it was.

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Single-handed sailor  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:45:26pm

Live coverage has started

Echostar XXIII Hosted Webcast

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:46:33pm

T-15 minutes
ECHOSTAR XXIII MISSION, SpaceX Live Feed.

After standing down due to high winds, SpaceX is now targeting Thursday, March 16th for the EchoStar XXIII launch. Due to high upper altitude winds, liftoff time has been adjusted to 2:00 am EDT, 6:00 am UTC. SpaceX’s Falcon 9 rocket will deliver EchoStar XXIII, a commercial communications satellite for EchoStar Corporation, to a Geostationary Transfer Orbit (GTO).

The EchoStar XXIII launch will liftoff from the historic Launch Complex 39A (LC-39A) at NASA’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida. SpaceX will not attempt to land Falcon 9’s first stage after launch due to mission requirements.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:47:25pm

SpaceX Falcon 9 launch of EchoStar XXIII webcast has started

Echostar XXIII Hosted Webcast

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Pineapple Pizza  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:53:06pm

re: #68 Joe Bacon

Add in those dirty Mapplethorpe pictures, Marlon Riggs “Tongues United”, “Godless gay dances”, Museum exhibits “Biased against Biblical Creation” and blasphemous PBS shows…

What conservatives refer to as “degenerate art”

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 10:59:09pm

T minus 1

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teleskiguy  Mar 15, 2017 • 11:00:58pm

VROOM!

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 11:01:08pm
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 11:01:59pm

re: #112 teleskiguy

VROOM!

No boom, past Max Q

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 11:03:35pm

MECO, separation, stage 2 ignition

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 15, 2017 • 11:06:25pm

acceleration is freaking crazy….

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retired cynic  Mar 15, 2017 • 11:09:29pm

Still such a thrill!

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teleskiguy  Mar 15, 2017 • 11:09:45pm

re: #116 Scottish Dragon

They’re putting a satellite in geostationary orbit, 35,000 km away from our surface. They’re at 165 km right now.

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Broad With Sass  Mar 15, 2017 • 11:10:35pm

It was so pretty in the cold night sky

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 15, 2017 • 11:10:44pm

re: #118 teleskiguy

They’re putting a satellite in geostationary orbit, 35,000 km away from our surface. They’re at 165 km right now.

have to do a transfer orbit and boost to GSO.

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teleskiguy  Mar 15, 2017 • 11:11:49pm

re: #120 Scottish Dragon

Four stages into a seven stage process.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 15, 2017 • 11:15:05pm

re: #121 teleskiguy

I was just looking at how a Hohmann transfer orbit works. Pretty damned cool.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 15, 2017 • 11:16:37pm

Need to go back to bed. Good night. :)

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 11:17:10pm

Next launch is March 27th, marking the first reuse of a first stage. It previously flew last April, on an ISS cargo resupply mission

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2017 • 11:22:49pm

re: #122 Scottish Dragon

I was just looking at how a Hohmann transfer orbit works. Pretty damned cool.

Have you played Kerbal Space Program? If not I HIGHLY recommend it.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2017 • 11:25:48pm

Kind of weird that it’s normal now to be disappointed when they don’t recover the first stage. I mean granted they didn’t even try it this time because they needed every ounce of fuel to get the satellite to the target point, just saying.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2017 • 11:32:44pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 15, 2017 • 11:36:57pm

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2017 • 11:41:45pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

The best part is the New York Times article in question says fuck all about wiretapping at Trump Tower. What it does say is this:

Mr. Manafort is among at least three Trump campaign advisers whose possible links to Russia are under scrutiny. Two others are Carter Page, a businessman and former foreign policy adviser to the campaign, and Roger Stone, a longtime Republican operative.

The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit. The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.

In other words he says he got the info from the “fake news” New York Times but the Times just reported that he already got information about wiretaps of the Russians that nabbed Manafort, Stone, etc from the intelligence agencies. I mean, if he actually just misread the Times (HA!) why the fuck would he believe that vs the intelligence report the Times was actually talking about?

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 11:42:04pm

Holy crap…

Look at the magnitude of this disaster, and it’s happening ALL OVER THE COUNTRY please #PrayForPeru

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 15, 2017 • 11:51:26pm

OK, not your usual cat video.
be sure to turn down your sound before playing

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2017 • 11:52:01pm

re: #43 Teukka

My country had its own close to 100 years ago. It turns 100 in December this year. And yeah, the Finnish civ was destructive and caused wounds that still haven’t healed completely.

I went to see an exhibit on that in Tampere a few years back.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2017 • 11:54:31pm

re: #50 Myron Falwell

It’s been a latent fear of mine.

Sarah Kenzidor could probably testify that there are those in deep red states that think forced ethnic cleansing is a necessity.

This could get really ugly, really fast, and with the worst possible people running the country to boot.

All we need is a major natural and/or man-made disaster that would disrupt public services over a large area and for a large population. We have a hair-trigger, hard-core section of the population who are stockpiling hardware and just waiting for a chance to get out and play vigilante.

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teleskiguy  Mar 15, 2017 • 11:54:48pm

re: #128 Shiplord Kirel

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2017 • 11:56:18pm

re: #61 Anymouse

There’s a wingnut in the county seat here that flies a Dixie Swastika from his house, and then there’s my neo-Nazi neighbours.

British neo-Nazis?

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 16, 2017 • 12:04:02am

Trump’s lawyer is up to his nipples in mob casino boat corruption.

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teleskiguy  Mar 16, 2017 • 12:07:47am

This means war, right?

We want to increase the budget of the defense department by $60 billion but we spend too much money on diplomacy. Right?

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 16, 2017 • 12:19:08am

Price is quickly becoming the worst motherfucker in Trump’s Cabinet, which in that menagerie of taint-waffles is really saying something.

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teleskiguy  Mar 16, 2017 • 12:21:30am
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JordanRules  Mar 16, 2017 • 12:21:39am

“Former Trump model”, as stated in her Twitter blurb went all in with the racist parading as ally shit today.

She’s doubled down like 30 times. Check @ArianeBellamar TL to get a taste.

She deleted the tweet that kicked it off, but you can see it on this ‘The Root’ page.

thegrapevine.theroot.com

I have sooooo much to learn about privilege. Cause I do not get this shit at all.

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JordanRules  Mar 16, 2017 • 12:24:53am

LOVE

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 12:26:49am

re: #135 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

British neo-Nazis?

Nope, my computer speaks Canadian, eh.

(Its dictionary is set for Canadian English since I work for a Canadian publishing house. It’s easier just to leave it set that way than try to switch it between Canadian and American English.)

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Single-handed sailor  Mar 16, 2017 • 12:28:17am

re: #138 goddamnedfrank

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Price is quickly becoming the worst motherfucker in Trump’s Cabinet, which in that menagerie of taint-waffles is really saying something.

No, he’s not….

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 12:32:00am

re: #140 JordanRules

“Former Trump model”, as stated in her Twitter blurb went all in with the racist parading as ally shit today.

She’s doubled down like 30 times. Check @ArianeBellamar TL to get a taste.

She deleted the tweet that kicked it off, but you can see it on this ‘The Root’ page.

thegrapevine.theroot.com

I have sooooo much to learn about privilege. Cause I do not get this shit at all.

I don’t understand it either. Racism (unlike being gay) is a learned behaviour. It is also a choice (again unlike being gay).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 12:32:15am

re: #142 Anymouse

Nope, my computer speaks Canadian, eh.

(Its dictionary is set for Canadian English since I work for a Canadian publishing house. It’s easier just to leave it set that way than try to switch it between Canadian and American English.)

My (Scottish) ex and I had an ongoing debate about spelling and pronunciation and choice of words. My favo(u)rite was when we had been hiking and we were changing out of our muddy footwear: “Where should I put these hiking boots?”

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Dave In Austin  Mar 16, 2017 • 12:32:20am

re: #143 Single-handed sailor

Taint-Waffles……. Yep, another one to put in the book.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 12:33:30am

re: #144 Anymouse

I don’t understand it either. Racism (unlike being gay) is a learned behaviour. It is also a choice (again unlike being gay).

I once again had a gay republican friend tell me that he has encountered more hostility for being GOP than for being gay.

He has been laying low ever since Geert Wilders let him down.

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 12:35:40am

re: #145 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My (Scottish) ex and I had an ongoing debate about spelling and pronunciation and choice of words. My favo(u)rite was when we had been hiking and we were changing out of our muddy footwear: “Where should I put these hiking boots?”

I grew up near the Canadian border in Michigan, and usually listened to Canadian radio stations as a teenager (our local choice was an agricultural station). As such, my wife is of the opinion my accent sounds a lot like southern Ontario.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 12:45:04am

re: #148 Anymouse

I grew up near the Canadian border in Michigan, and usually listened to Canadian radio stations as a teenager (our local choice was an agricultural station). As such, my wife is of the opinion my accent sounds a lot like southern Ontario.

The Great Lakes Accent is also what I grew up with (Gary, Indiana). And yes, a lot of people ask me if I am from Canada, sometimes I even tell them that I am…

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Single-handed sailor  Mar 16, 2017 • 12:46:21am

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Great Lakes Accent is also what I grew up with (Gary, Indiana). And yes, a lot of people ask me if I am from Canada, sometimes I even tell them that I am…

It’s less embarrassing. //

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JordanRules  Mar 16, 2017 • 12:46:40am

re: #147 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Apparently there are a good number of gay white racists in power, or within striking distance of it, in this Admin. There is still a supreme amount of self-hate, exploitation and cognitive dissonance in the mix.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 12:52:03am

re: #151 JordanRules

Apparently there are a good number of gay white racists in power, or within striking distance of it, in this Admin. There is still a supreme amount of self-hate, exploitation and cognitive dissonance in the mix.

Geert Wilders is openly gay, that was part of his campaign rhetoric: Islam is homophobic. And DT is not afraid to play that card, like he did after the Orlando shootings.

But for that, we have Mike Pence, a card-carrying homophobic theocrat, who is one Wikileaks dump (or congressional subpoena) away from the White House.

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LastYearsMan  Mar 16, 2017 • 12:54:29am

re: #106 JordanRules

I think it’s a matter of how big a factor it was.

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Yeah, it felt fine farting around and making protest votes when the worlds only superpower was being run by an adult like Obama. Now that Donnie von Fuckface and the GOP are running things, time for the rest of the world to chug some black coffee and sober up.

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 12:57:59am

Eek, I just read that Genocide Watch page linked up the page here.

It would appear that our nation has long been dabbling in one stage or another of this (not putting aside either slavery or genocide of natives).

What’s going on now seems to be amping up all of the elements on that list (preparation for genocide). That rally a few days ago in Arizona that included GOP politicians calling for extermination of liberals (politicide) wasn’t exactly comforting to read about.

rawstory.com (rally with Trump supporters, white nationalists, and GOP politicians calling for liberal genocide and deporting Jews - Maricopa County keeping it classy).

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 12:58:57am

re: #150 Single-handed sailor

It’s less embarrassing. //

I drive around with my Parks Canada pass hanging from my mirror here but it doesn’t seem to confuse anyone here. (Must be they recognise my car.)

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JordanRules  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:00:05am

re: #140 JordanRules

Like, what in the world would make you think it’s okay for you to repeatedly use THE American racial slur as an in-group person and expect to be considered an ally.

You can disagree with why we can use it and you can’t and still be congnizent enough to not use it. We can deal with that later, but it might be one of the most clarifying examples of privilege. You just HAVE to use it repeatedly and can’t even fathom not being able to. Have a seat lady!!!!! You have no idea what true restrictions of freedom and being are. None.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:02:03am

re: #154 Anymouse

Eek, I just read that Genocide Watch page linked up the page here.

It would appear that our nation has long been dabbling in one stage or another of this (not putting aside either slavery or genocide of natives).

When you pin these guys down in public, they insist that they are just joking, being non-PC or hyperbolic.

But when you catch them at an unguarded moment, you find out how deadly serious they truly are…

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JordanRules  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:04:25am

re: #152 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The alliances in play sometimes baffle me. I have my common denominator and north star pegged, as I’m sure many of y’all know, but there are lots of weird dynamics in play.

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JordanRules  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:13:20am

re: #157 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This an important point that non-political and engaged and uneasy (with the race discussion) folks need to amplify. There are too many people that hear and know what the new brand of fascist and fascist-curious folks think without connecting it to the big picture and of course denouncing it.

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:14:57am

re: #156 JordanRules

Like, what in the world would make you think it’s okay for you to repeatedly use THE American racial slur as an in-group person and expect to be considered an ally.

You can disagree with why we can use it and you can’t and still be congnizent enough to not use it. We can deal with that later, but it might be one of the most clarifying examples of privilege. You just HAVE to use it repeatedly and can’t even fathom not being able to. Have a seat lady!!!!! You have no idea what true restrictions of freedom and being are. None.

I don’t get it either. It would never even occur to me to use that phrase in any context, though I know exactly what it means.

Ugh. I read her Twitter feed. She is deliberately using such language precisely to upset others and denying being (that is, lying about being) a racist.

When called on it, she simply doubles down again.

I am aware that cultural perceptions of the dominant culture (that is, WASP in the USA) seep into all of us whether we want them to or not. (Wasn’t too long ago Polish-Americans weren’t considered “white” either, but we weren’t enslaved and put under Jim Crow laws.)

It is not hard (at least for me) to see when a stereotype is taking place of a reasonable position about people. Most people are the same in a number of ways: They want to survive, love their families, get along with their neighbours, &c. All cops aren’t evil, all African-Americans aren’t criminals, all Latinos aren’t shiftless, all southerners aren’t bigots, all priests aren’t child molesters, &c.

I’m not a sociologist (nor do I play one on LGF) but it would seem to me that bigotry in any form comes from lazy thinking (lack of exposure to others doesn’t really explain it - if I have never met someone from another country, religious group, &c., how can I form an opinion about that person, let alone the group).

When I was in the Navy, I went to a whole bunch of countries in Europe, Africa, and Asia Minor. I was always on my best behaviour (sailors aren’t always drunken louts, either). I was never treated with anything but respect (well, maybe some curiosity) in any nation I went to. I got to see and do things in port visits that many never did, because I was interested in each and every person I met when I was overseas.

That might be part of the problem: It’s easy to say Group X is (criminal, lazy, shiftless, unintelligent, name a trait). It’s hard to explain why that isn’t so to someone who thinks that way. (Hence, hate radio is an easy sell in any country that allows it.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:15:06am

re: #158 JordanRules

The alliances in play sometimes baffle me. I have my common denominator and north star pegged, as I’m sure many of y’all know, but there are lots of weird dynamics in play.

I can accept that homophobia is not as prevalent in (Western) Europe, but for DT, “support” for gays is pure politics and posturing. I can imagine that gay or anti-gay issues are not high on his list of priorities, but there are plenty of people (i.e., Pence) who would like to crack down on LGBT rights.

By all rights, the GOP should have a lot of appeal to gays: they tend to occupy the upper tax brackets, as they tend not to have their careers sidelined by raising families, are generally not interested in buying large houses near good schools, and thus do not enjoy the standard tax deductions and exemptions that most “breeders” do.

But as long as the Biblical Fundamentalists (who are quick to forgive hetero transgressions, at least among their own ranks) insist that homosexuality is an abdomination unto the Lord and a threat to our nation’s well-being, they will not let up on the gay-bashing and all its manifestations.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:20:37am

Latinos should also be a core GOP support group: they tend to be conservative, hard-working and Christian (Catholic) with a strong sense of family.

But these “family values” have a different meaning to them: they also have a strong sense of community, and want good schools and sound public institutions to help them and their children achieve the American dream.

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:22:47am

re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My mother has a pair of friends I’ll call Gary and Gary (because that’s their names) who have been in a very long-term relationship (now married since it’s legal).

There’s a lot that would appeal to them about the GOP as you noted (taxation and such as they are quite wealthy). They are both Democratic voters though, because belonging to a party that despises them for existing is a bit too much.

David Silverman of American Atheists found that out a couple years ago when he tried to set up a booth at CPAC for outreach to atheistic conservatives. They took his money, then said “nope, atheists aren’t welcome here.”

Silverman still hangs on, just like the Log Cabin Republicans, hoping that someday they’ll see the light.

Maybe they will someday. Today is not that day.

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:25:11am

re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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But as long as the Biblical Fundamentalists (who are quick to forgive hetero transgressions, at least among their own ranks) insist that homosexuality is an abdomination unto the Lord and a threat to our nation’s well-being, they will not let up on the gay-bashing and all its manifestations.

So, it gives conservative religious people heartburn? /s

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:27:05am

re: #163 Anymouse

My mother has a pair of friends I’ll call Gary and Gary (because that’s their names) who have been in a very long-term relationship (now married since it’s legal).

My gay GOP buddy just married his partner last year. The irony of which escapes him…

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JordanRules  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:27:40am

re: #163 Anymouse

My mother has a pair of friends I’ll call Gary and Gary (because that’s their names)

I love this so much! Ha! Also too, yay Gary and Gary!

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teleskiguy  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:30:02am
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JordanRules  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:31:36am

re: #160 Anymouse

Right!! And this just feels like the normal human engagement and response to folks like us. But it’s just not so for many of our fellow humans. Le sigh.

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JordanRules  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:36:28am

re: #167 teleskiguy

Well damn.

This is another orchestrated distraction from Drumpf-Russia!!!! I will now get down on the 2, not he 1, in quasi resistance!

It’s kinda futile. Tooooo funky.

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:39:17am

re: #165 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My gay GOP buddy just married his partner last year. The irony of which escapes him…

My sister did the same the second it became legal after Prop 8 was struck down in California (married at midnight on the day it became legal).

Complains about liberal taxation in California (she works in Hollywood for a military film advising company) - doesn’t see the connexion between taxation and all the things California provides for its citizens with those taxes (it’s not like California pours the money into the Pacific).

I suggested she could move here since our taxes are pretty low (Cabela’s was looking for a person with her computer skill set) - oh no, there’s nothing to do in Nebraska (actually not true, we don’t have a bunch of city things to do here) and the pay’s too low. (Never mind it only costs a fraction of what it costs in Los Angeles to live here - she makes more in a year than my house cost.)

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:44:54am

Wow, I didn’t read the comments on that Raw Story article about folk (including politicians) calling for politicide of liberals.

I went back just now and read the comments. (Never read the comments.) Ugh.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:49:33am

re: #129 goddamnedfrank

The best part is the New York Times article in question says fuck all about wiretapping at Trump Tower. What it does say is this:

In other words he says he got the info from the “fake news” New York Times but the Times just reported that he already got information about wiretaps of the Russians that nabbed Manafort, Stone, etc from the intelligence agencies. I mean, if he actually just misread the Times (HA!) why the fuck would he believe that vs the intelligence report the Times was actually talking about?

Because he really got the info from Breitbart, which got it from Mark Levin.

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teleskiguy  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:56:17am

re: #169 JordanRules

Well damn.

This is another orchestrated distraction from Drumpf-Russia!!!! I will now get down on the 2, not he 1, in quasi resistance!

It’s kinda futile. Tooooo funky.

Tippi-Toes

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:56:52am

re: #172 wheat-dogg

Because he really got the info from Breitbart, which got it from Mark Levin.

Right, so it’s extra weird he didn’t just say so when his underlings have admitted as much. I mean, unless he asserts that he got some information from the IC via his official capacity as President how is this supposed to be better? Of course he can’t say that either because he’s trapped himself into a corner where if he says he can’t name the source because it’s classified then that’s a tacit admission that he divulged classified information.

He’s really painted himself into a tight, fucked up little corner with this one. When it’s all over his best possible outcome is that he encouraged Congress to go on a wild goose chase launching an investigation for nothing instead of just admitting he flew off the handle and made a reckless allegation based on nothing more than a talk radio asshole’s insane fever dream.

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:59:57am

Alec Baldwin Won’t Be Playing Trump Much Longer (goes to the Today show at NBC):

Alec Baldwin may be stepping down as president soon.

In an interview with “Extra,” the actor said that he may not be doing his impression of President Trump on “Saturday Night Live” much longer because, “I don’t know how much more people can take it.”

“His policies aside, which you can hate, I thought he would have just relaxed,” Baldwin told Mario Lopez. “The maliciousness of this White House has people worried…that’s why I’m not going to do it much longer, the impersonation.”

(more at the link)

One thing conservative authoritarian regimes do right away is round up the critics (that includes news media, comedians, artists, musicians, &c). I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a little of that in Mr. Baldwin’s thinking.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:12:46am

re: #174 goddamnedfrank

Right, so it’s extra weird he didn’t just say so when his underlings have admitted as much. I mean, unless he asserts that he got some information from the IC via his official capacity as President how is this supposed to be better? Of course he can’t say that either because he’s trapped himself into a corner where if he says he can’t name the source because it’s classified then that’s a tacit admission that he divulged classified information.

He’s really painted himself into a tight, fucked up little corner with this one. When it’s all over his best possible outcome is that he encouraged Congress to go on a wild goose chase launching an investigation for nothing instead of just admitting he flew off the handle and made a reckless allegation based on nothing more than a talk radio asshole’s insane fever dream.

Maybe Trump knows deep down inside that Levin and Breitbart are not reliable sources of information, at least to most sane people, but the NYT is considered reliable (except by Trump himself when it suits him to say so).

OTOH Trump has a knack for saying whatever he thinks people want to hear at any certain time. Since he’s the consummate bullshitter, he doesn’t give a fuck whether Statement A contradicts Statement B, because A was true because he said it, and now B is true because he said it. Any other explanation is fake news.

Plus, he has no sense of responsibility and is incapable of admitting he’s wrong.

Great combination of attributes for the leader of the most powerful nation on Earth, right?

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JordanRules  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:15:04am

re: #176 wheat-dogg

OTOH Trump has a knack for saying whatever he thinks people want to hear at any certain time. Since he’s the consummate bullshitter, he doesn’t give a fuck whether Statement A contradicts Statement B, because A was true because he said it, and now B is true because he said it. Any other explanation is fake news.

Plus, he has no sense of responsibility and is incapable of admitting he’s wrong.

This rings true.

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:18:55am

re: #176 wheat-dogg

Maybe Trump knows deep down inside that Levin and Breitbart are not reliable sources of information, at least to most sane people, but the NYT is considered reliable (except by Trump himself when it suits him to say so).

OTOH Trump has a knack for saying whatever he thinks people want to hear at any certain time. Since he’s the consummate bullshitter, he doesn’t give a fuck whether Statement A contradicts Statement B, because A was true because he said it, and now B is true because he said it. Any other explanation is fake news.

Plus, he has no sense of responsibility and is incapable of admitting he’s wrong.

Great combination of attributes for the leader of the most powerful nation on Earth, right?

Well, the GOP has been working at this all my life. I suppose it is proof that anyone can become President. (Whether anyone should be President is another story.)

I don’t know what it is about conservative voters thinking businessmen (I’ll spot Trump that one) make great governmental leaders. Historically, businessmen have been bad government officials. (I know why businesses want businessmen; it makes the problems of graft so much simpler.)

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wheat-dogg  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:34:30am

re: #178 Anymouse

Well, the GOP has been working at this all my life. I suppose it is proof that anyone can become President. (Whether anyone should be President is another story.)

I don’t know what it is about conservative voters thinking businessmen (I’ll spot Trump that one) make great governmental leaders. Historically, businessmen have been bad government officials. (I know why businesses want businessmen; it makes the problems of graft so much simpler.)

Conservatives believe that governments and schools (to name but two) can be run exactly like businesses. They try applying business practices to government - balanced budgets, for example — and to schools — quality control of “widgets” called students — then wonder why all their best efforts fail miserably. Worse yet, they do it over and over again, despite all the evidence disproving the original premise. Even more worse, voters keep putting these idiots back in office, expecting different results.

It’s some kind of mass delusion with these people.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:35:32am

I’m going to watch The Expanse S02E08 now. BBL.

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:40:21am

re: #179 wheat-dogg

Conservatives believe that governments and schools (to name but two) can be run exactly like businesses. They try applying business practices to government - balanced budgets, for example — and to schools — quality control of “widgets” called students — then wonder why all their best efforts fail miserably. Worse yet, they do it over and over again, despite all the evidence disproving the original premise. Even more worse, voters keep putting these idiots back in office, expecting different results.

It’s some kind of mass delusion with these people.

And neither businesses nor families (which conservative politicians compare governmental budgets to) run that way.

If a business wants to expand, renovate, retool, &c it takes on debt. Ideally it will take on debt when interest rates are low and sales are high, but they will take debt on any time they need to.

If a family wants to buy a house, a car, &c, they almost always will take on debt.

Debt is just a boogeyman conservatives use to beat up liberals with. They are all in on taking on debt for their own pet causes.

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:41:49am

re: #180 wheat-dogg

I’m going to watch The Expanse S02E08 now. BBL.

Enjoy. I will go back to my “Powerpuff Girls” marathon later (don’t judge).

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John_Manyjars  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:43:37am

re: #73 retired cynic

The $3.5 billion tRump ‘saves’ would pay for about 3 weeks’ military expenditures in Afghanistan.

Jeez, we are a a sick fucking country.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:49:38am

re: #175 Anymouse

Alec Baldwin Won’t Be Playing Trump Much Longer (goes to the Today show at NBC):

I simply do not find Trump humor funny anymore. It is all just too sad…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:50:40am

re: #176 wheat-dogg

OTOH Trump has a knack for saying whatever he thinks people want to hear at any certain time. Since he’s the consummate bullshitter, he doesn’t give a fuck whether Statement A contradicts Statement B, because A was true because he said it, and now B is true because he said it. Any other explanation is fake news.

And he has a whole staff of people whose job is to explain that what he said is not what he really meant.

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John_Manyjars  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:51:55am

re: #170 Anymouse

I hear you. In CA, both my in-laws are retired government types, one a judge who freely admits he quit private practice to get a secure retirement, his wife a school administrator, now both coasting on SS, Medicare (thanks to which they and theirs have benefitted to the tune of $100s of thousands) and their bulletproof state pensions.

Neither are very religious- but of course, they both vote hard wing-nut, and have Fox ‘News’ on a 60-inch TV every time I’ve been there. I don’t much go there though.

I’m always angered people that think and vote the way they do won’t, in the end, pay for their mistakes. You’d think they would care more about their daughter…well hell, she voted tRump too…grrrrr….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:52:10am

re: #179 wheat-dogg

Conservatives believe that governments and schools (to name but two) can be run exactly like businesses.

Private schools, which can selectively accept or expel students, cannot begin to be compared to public schools, which are mandated to accept everyone who applies and can only expel students who display dangerously disruptive or criminal behavior.

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 2:56:27am

re: #187 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Private schools, which can selectively accept or expel students, cannot begin to be compared to public school, which are mandated to accept everyone who applies and can only expel students who display dangerously disruptive or criminal behavior.

That’s something that I don’t get with the folk that live around here.

Rural areas are normally very big on public schooling: Long distances and low populations mean that rural areas are generally not a good place for a private school to make money.

The folk around here are no different: They are all strong supporters of our public schools. Yet they vote for a party that wants to gut public schooling in favour of private schools we don’t have.

It’s really an enigma to me. A tax credit or a voucher for private schooling (and there are good private schools - they aren’t all grifters though the model makes that simpler) doesn’t mean jack if there isn’t a private school within a hundred miles.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:02:19am

re: #188 Anymouse

That’s something that I don’t get with the folk that live around here.

Rural areas are normally very big on public schooling: Long distances and low populations mean that rural areas are generally not a good place for a private school to make money.

It is part of an ideological belief that the private sector can do anything better than the government. And unions…

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 3:33:31am
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Romantic Heretic  Mar 16, 2017 • 4:02:07am

re: #128 Shiplord Kirel

Jealous.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 16, 2017 • 4:33:22am

re: #182 Anymouse

Enjoy. I will go back to my “Powerpuff Girls” marathon later (don’t judge).

No judging here.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 16, 2017 • 4:34:29am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And he has a whole staff of people whose job is to explain that what he said is not what he really meant.

We’re supposed to “look into his heart.”

As if he had one. Pfft!

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 4:37:37am

re: #175 Anymouse

Alec Baldwin Won’t Be Playing Trump Much Longer (goes to the Today show at NBC):

(more at the link)

One thing conservative authoritarian regimes do right away is round up the critics (that includes news media, comedians, artists, musicians, &c). I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a little of that in Mr. Baldwin’s thinking.

There’s less humor and much, much more righteous indignation** against Trump and anyone with an (R) next to their name.

** Yes, I use that phrase deliberately here.

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 4:41:32am

re: #192 wheat-dogg

No judging here.

Blossom is my heroine.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 16, 2017 • 4:50:32am

Another activist judge rains on Donnie’s parade.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 4:52:00am

re: #196 wheat-dogg

BREAKING: A federal judge in Maryland has blocked President Donald Trump’s revised travel ban.

Time to disband the judiciary and replace it with people who do not hate America

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 4:53:10am

re: #194 Myron Falwell

There’s less humor and much, much more righteous indignation** against Trump and anyone with an (R) next to their name.

** Yes, I use that phrase deliberately here.

Just resignation.

Again, things will have to get a lot worse before they even start to get better. I have to find my humor elsewhere. The fact that Trump was not ludicrous enough in and of himself to keep him from being elected is a disturbing sign.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 16, 2017 • 4:53:42am

I expect the usual howling monkeys to be howling about this report.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 4:54:29am

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Great Lakes Accent is also what I grew up with (Gary, Indiana). And yes, a lot of people ask me if I am from Canada, sometimes I even tell them that I am…

The accent here in Cleveland is much less featureless. Don’t know if BWS or ObserverArt notice much of an accent in their respective parts of AH-HIGH-YAH. ;)

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 16, 2017 • 4:55:36am

CNN just now: “President Trump wants to cut funding to the EPA; coming up we talk to one of the senate’s greatest climate change deniers.”

Really. I know Poppy will push back, but why?

Inhofe. Of course.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 4:56:04am

re: #200 Myron Falwell

The accent here in Cleveland is much less featureless. Don’t know if BWS or ObserverArt notice much of an accent here in AH-HIGH-YAH. ;)

I once read that people from Phoenix, AZ are preferred as TV broadcasters because the accent there is such an attenuated mixture of US dialects that it is all but unrecognizable and therefore neutral.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 16, 2017 • 4:56:05am

re: #195 Anymouse

Blossom is my heroine.

I used to watch with my kids. It was fun. Some of my students in the USA were obsessed with them, too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 4:58:09am

re: #199 wheat-dogg

I expect the usual howling monkeys to be howling about this report.

Islam: The world’s fastest growing religion

Well, the US is still against UN health programs supplying contraceptives to the rest of the world…

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freetoken  Mar 16, 2017 • 4:59:54am

Apparently the new death panels include death-by-starvation:

Donald Trump Budget Slashes Funds for E.P.A. and State Department

In addition to the cuts at the E.P.A. and the State Department, Mr. Trump’s team is expected to propose a wide array of cuts to public education, to transportation programs like Amtrak and to the Department of Housing and Urban Development, including the complete elimination of the $3 billion Community Development Block Grant program, which funds popular programs like Meals on Wheels, housing assistance and other community assistance efforts.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:00:45am

re: #205 freetoken

Apparently the new death panels include death-by-starvation:

Donald Trump Budget Slashes Funds for E.P.A. and State Department

Soylent Green!!!

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:02:00am

re: #197 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Time to disband the judiciary and replace it with people who do not hate America

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Unelected activist liberal judges!

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:06:50am

re: #154 Anymouse

Eek, I just read that Genocide Watch page linked up the page here.

It would appear that our nation has long been dabbling in one stage or another of this (not putting aside either slavery or genocide of natives).

What’s going on now seems to be amping up all of the elements on that list (preparation for genocide). That rally a few days ago in Arizona that included GOP politicians calling for extermination of liberals (politicide) wasn’t exactly comforting to read about.

rawstory.com (rally with Trump supporters, white nationalists, and GOP politicians calling for liberal genocide and deporting Jews - Maricopa County keeping it classy).

Do blue states respond with forcible deportation of any conservatives onto the red states? Red and blue states would know which is which through the voter rolls.

(And there lies the problem: I never changed my party registration due to completely repudiating the Republican Party after the Ohio primary took place.)

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:07:30am

re: #195 Anymouse

Blossom is my heroine.

WOAH!!!

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:07:37am

re: #202 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I once read that people from Phoenix, AZ are preferred as TV broadcasters because the accent there is such an attenuated mixture of US dialects that it is all but unrecognizable and therefore neutral.

TV Tropes deals with this: The claim is mostly false. (I suspect it is more people claiming “their” accent is most desirable, as I’ve heard the identical claim about Great Lakes region people.)

tvtropes.org

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:09:48am

re: #208 Myron Falwell

Do blue states respond with forcible deportation of any conservatives onto the red states? Red and blue states would know which is which through the voter rolls.

(And there lies the problem: I never changed my party registration due to completely repudiating the Republican Party after the Ohio primary took place.)

Please, send a bunch of liberals to our red states. We need more voters, and we need to stop bleeding liberals to primarily liberal states. (All that does is concentrate more liberals in fewer states, and the Electoral College then grinds their votes to dust.)

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:10:23am

re: #198 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Just resignation.

Again, things will have to get a lot worse before they even start to get better. I have to find my humor elsewhere. The fact that Trump was not ludicrous enough in and of himself to keep him from being elected is a disturbing sign.

Jon Stewart probably saw all of that coming after having railed against the GOP’s bullshitopia and the media’s fecklessness as long as he did. Could you blame him for feeling like he was ranting at a cloud?

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William Lewis  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:16:23am

re: #195 Anymouse

Blossom is my heroine.

I always preferred Kim Possible but one can do far worse than Blossom.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:17:45am

Well, it took forever to reload this page. So long that I forgot what I was going to drop here.

Oh, right. I wonder how veterans feel about this draft-dodger giving President Jackson a military salute.

And is it even appropriate for a civilian to give a military salute if he has never served? Sure, Trump would be CiC if we were at war, but so far we are not.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:19:01am

re: #214 wheat-dogg

Oh, right. I wonder how veterans feel about this draft-dodger giving President Jackson a military salute.

And is it even appropriate for a civilian to give a military salute if he has never served? Sure, Trump would be CiC if we were at war, but so far we are not.

It’s a “tradition” that was started by Reagan over the objections of some military and civilian personnel who thought it was inappropriate.

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freetoken  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:19:38am

re: #214 wheat-dogg

I wonder if Trump just wanted to show off that he’s been practicing his salutes for form?

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:21:38am

re: #213 William Lewis

I always preferred Kim Possible but one can do far worse than Blossom.

I also like the show “Kim Possible.” I apparently am geared to television aimed at eight-year-olds.

At least I’m not a Nazi. There is that.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:21:49am

This is relevant to our current dynastic-regime-in-the-making in the States: family offices for ultra-rich families help maintain wealth over the generations.

bbc.com

Minimum wealth level to contract with such an office is £200 million. Guess I’ll have to wait a while.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:26:31am

re: #216 freetoken

re: #215 Timothy Watson

Reagan at least served during WWII in non-combat positions. Trump has no such distinction.

It’s been seemingly decades now in the past, but wasn’t there some RWNJ kerfluffle about Obama either saluting or not saluting (or both) and it was the fcking end of the world?

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Decatur Deb  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:26:34am

Per the FM on Drill and Ceremonies, civilians and military are permitted to exchange salutes. (IIRC, one does not salute “uncovered”, i.e. hatless.)

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:26:46am

re: #214 wheat-dogg

Well, it took forever to reload this page. So long that I forgot what I was going to drop here.

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Oh, right. I wonder how veterans feel about this draft-dodger giving President Jackson a military salute.

And is it even appropriate for a civilian to give a military salute if he has never served? Sure, Trump would be CiC if we were at war, but so far we are not.

Ever since Ronald Reagan started this whole salute nonsense I’ve opposed it.

The President is the civilian leader who is in charge of the Armed Forces. The Armed Forces are supposed to be subservient to the elected civilian government: As such, I find it a blurring of the line between civilian control of the military and militarising the civilian government.

If I’d found myself for some reason under review of the President, I would not have been incensed at not receiving a salute: I would expect I would have to salute the President.

Saluting the President acknowledges the military member understand he or she is under the control of the civilian government.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:27:09am

A chickenhawk salute is not the gravest of his sins.

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:28:44am

re: #219 wheat-dogg

Reagan at least served during WWII in non-combat positions. Trump has no such distinction.

It’s been seemingly decades now in the past, but wasn’t there some RWNJ kerfluffle about Obama either saluting or not saluting (or both) and it was the fcking end of the world?

They complained he saluted with a coffee cup in his hand. Geo. W. Bush did exactly the same, but no outcry over him, because ni*CLANG president and IOKIYAR.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:29:35am

re: #217 Anymouse

I also like the show “Kim Possible.” I apparently am geared to television aimed at eight-year-olds.

At least I’m not a Nazi. There is that.

Heh. I stumbled across Kim Possible while looking for suitable videos for some of my younger pupils here. I think I enjoyed more than they did.

Adventure Time is supposed to be A++, but I’ve haven’t tried it yet. Too many other things to do.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:34:25am
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electrotek  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:38:15am

There was a school shooting in France:

Facebook Post

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:39:12am

Wholely crap. Did someone move Nebraska to the sub-tropics? 80 degrees F coming up in bloody March?

Who cancelled winter?

And a Red Flag Warning as well.

The North Platte River is about to jump its banks it is so high from snowmelt in Wyoming, and we had a ton of snow (there is still snow on the ground) but we are somehow too dry?
forecast.weather.gov

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:40:42am

re: #224 wheat-dogg

Heh. I stumbled across Kim Possible while looking for suitable videos for some of my younger pupils here. I think I enjoyed more than they did.

Adventure Time is supposed to be A++, but I’ve haven’t tried it yet. Too many other things to do.

Adventure Time does deal with a post-apocalyptic world — Finn is the last human in existence, and the other characters reveal themselves to have suffered much trauma upon said global catastrophe.

It’s much more deeper and powerful of a cartoon than even the creators have let on. Which is why it’s won much acclaim.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:42:44am

re: #227 Anymouse

Wholely crap. Did someone move Nebraska to the sub-tropics? 80 degrees F coming up in bloody March?

Who cancelled winter?

And a Red Flag Warning as well.

The North Platte River is about to jump its banks it is so high from snowmelt in Wyoming, and we had a ton of snow (there is still snow on the ground) but we are somehow too dry?
forecast.weather.gov

Aaaaaaannnndddd the Breitbart “HURR DURRR GLOBAL WARMING IS FAKE” catcalls in 3… 2…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:42:59am

re: #226 electrotek

There was a school shooting in France:

Time to start recklessly speculating…

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Teukka  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:45:38am

re: #230 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Time to start recklessly speculating…

Did I mention the IMF in Paris got letter-bombed?

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Citizen K  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:46:19am

re: #182 Anymouse

Enjoy. I will go back to my “Powerpuff Girls” marathon later (don’t judge).

I’ll only judge if you’re watching the terrible meme-y reboot.

And if you say anything about Bubbles. Woe to anyone who says anything bad about Bubbles because…well, whatever she does to you will be your fault.

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:47:16am

In salacious news (because I have a salacious job with that whole erotic Romance editor thing):

bbc.com

The BBC goes into the final settlement of the Canadian sex-toy company that was tracking the intimate details of the users of its sex toys over cell phone apps.

I’m guessing that this might be a good reason to argue against installing cell phone service where I live.

More at the BBC:

The We-Connect app connected to its We-Vibe vibrator, and the data collected was sent back to the company, including details on temperatures, settings and usage.

A class-action lawsuit was filed in September 2016 by customers who alleged the company violated their privacy rights.

This week, the company agreed its payout for US customers who bought the product before 26 September last year.

Under the deal, those who used the We-Connect app will be paid up to C$10,000 each.

Customers who bought the toy, but did not activate the accompanying app, will receive up to US$199 each.

If you own one of these toys you might want to look into this. After the lawyers get their cut, you might be eligible for 59¢ payout or something. (The Internet of Things really is a drag on privacy.)

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Belafon  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:48:11am

re: #175 Anymouse

Alec Baldwin Won’t Be Playing Trump Much Longer (goes to the Today show at NBC):

(more at the link)

One thing conservative authoritarian regimes do right away is round up the critics (that includes news media, comedians, artists, musicians, &c). I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a little of that in Mr. Baldwin’s thinking.

I doubt Baldwin cares about that. It would be draining playing someone you hate frequently. I suspect he’ll be back at very unique moments. It’s also that Trump has gotten kind of predictable.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:50:48am

re: #232 Citizen K

I’ll only judge if you’re watching the terrible meme-y reboot.

And if you say anything about Bubbles. Woe to anyone who says anything bad about Bubbles because…well, whatever she does to you will be your fault.

I’ve never watched the Powerpuff Girls and when you mentioned someone named Bubbles, I immediately thought of The Wire.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:50:50am

re: #234 Belafon

I doubt Baldwin cares about that. It would be draining playing someone you hate frequently. I suspect he’ll be back at very unique moments. It’s also that Trump has gotten kind of predictable.

And Baldwin has his film career too.

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:51:05am

re: #232 Citizen K

I’ll only judge if you’re watching the terrible meme-y reboot.

And if you say anything about Bubbles. Woe to( anyone who says anything bad about Bubbles because…well, whatever she does to you will be your fault.

Nope, I’m watching the original series.

Back when I was a child I got (on the rare occasions I could go to someone’s house to see Saturday shows on a television set because we didn’t have one) things like Lidsville and Wacky Racers and such.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:55:37am

re: #236 HappyWarrior

And Baldwin has his film career too.

It would probably be more notable if Baldwin was a cast regular on SNL. But he isn’t.

Neither was Tina Fey, and she nearly got typecast due to her devastating impersonation of Palin that soon became a wag-the-dog situation.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:56:54am

Truth, sadly.

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Anymouse  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:58:23am

Sunrise on the Inland Coast: Time for me to go to bed. Catch y’all later.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:59:49am

re: #226 electrotek

Nazi Le Pen is the last great hope… for both the fascists and Da’esh (seriously, their objectives are nearly identical at this point).

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Timothy Watson  Mar 16, 2017 • 5:59:57am

re: #239 Myron Falwell

Truth, sadly.

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Guns will make us powerful; butter will only make us fat.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:00:59am

re: #238 Myron Falwell

It would probably be more notable if Baldwin was a cast regular on SNL. But he isn’t.

Neither was Tina Fey, and she nearly got typecast due to her devastating impersonation of Palin that soon became a wag-the-dog situation.

She was a writer on the show at the time IIRC.

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Citizen K  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:01:24am
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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:01:29am

re: #242 Timothy Watson

Guns will make us powerful; butter will only make us fat.

BUT JUST WAIT FOR THE BUTTER FORTIFIED WITH SOYLENT GREEN ADDITIVES!!1!!!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:01:45am

re: #239 Myron Falwell

Truth, sadly.

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And clean bays, lakes, etc.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:04:16am

re: #244 Citizen K

Only good thing I see in the budget is a (slight) increase in spending on veterans.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:05:34am

Meanwhile I’m seeing that Sanders is continuing to talk crap about the Democratic Party the day after two state Dem AGs played a huge role in stopping the Trump EO. The Democratic Party is far from perfect but we don’t need Sanders constantly shitting on it in a vain effort to pander to his fanboys who still feel he was “robbed.”

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Dr. Matt  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:05:45am

2018 can’t get here soon enough. Dems need to take over the House and Senate.

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Citizen K  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:08:05am

re: #247 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Only good thing I see in the budget is a (slight) increase in spending on veterans.

Unfortunately, it’s probably more like a pittance to get military support by proxy rather than actual improvements of Veteran treatment or anything.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:08:18am

re: #248 HappyWarrior

Meanwhile I’m seeing that Sanders is continuing to talk crap about the Democratic Party the day after two state Dem AGs played a huge role in stopping the Trump EO. The Democratic Party is far from perfect but we don’t need Sanders constantly shitting on it in a vain effort to pander to his fanboys who still feel he was “robbed.”

Yup. I saw this and wanted to vomit from my eyes.

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Belafon  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:09:26am

re: #248 HappyWarrior

Meanwhile I’m seeing that Sanders is continuing to talk crap about the Democratic Party the day after two state Dem AGs played a huge role in stopping the Trump EO. The Democratic Party is far from perfect but we don’t need Sanders constantly shitting on it in a vain effort to pander to his fanboys who still feel he was “robbed.”

I hate to treat him like I do Stein, so I’ll split his actions into two possible choices:
1. He’s a Russian plant (this is what I believe Stein is).
2. He’s a stand in for the white men who would be Democrats if it weren’t for those damn women and minorities.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:11:03am

re: #251 Myron Falwell

Yup. I saw this and wanted to vomit from my eyes.

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Yep that’s exactly what I saw. I’m not too happy with him continuing to lie about the Democratic Party and if I were a Vermonter, I’d be sick of his Trump America tours that he’s obviously doing to start another presidential run first and foremost. I hope if he runs, he loses big. I’m tired of Bernie Sanders acting like he’s the only one who cares about less well off Americans in the Dem caucus.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:11:41am

re: #252 Belafon

I hate to treat him like I do Stein, so I’ll split his actions into two possible choices:
1. He’s a Russian plant (this is what I believe Stein is).
2. He’s a stand in for the white men who would be Democrats if it weren’t for those damn women and minorities.

I think it’s two.

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b.d.  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:11:41am
thanks trump!
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Timothy Watson  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:12:20am

re: #248 HappyWarrior

Meanwhile I’m seeing that Sanders is continuing to talk crap about the Democratic Party the day after two state Dem AGs played a huge role in stopping the Trump EO. The Democratic Party is far from perfect but we don’t need Sanders constantly shitting on it in a vain effort to pander to his fanboys who still feel he was “robbed.”

Damn toolbag still isn’t a Democrat so he can kindly fuck off.

He still hasn’t repudiated his Bros who refused to vote for Clinton, he never condemned them for refusing to work to elect Clinton either.

FFS, I think I have more right, even as a recovering Republican, to opine about Democratic Party strategy than he does.

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Citizen K  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:13:32am

re: #249 Dr. Matt

2018 can’t get here soon enough. Dems need to take over the House and Senate.

I don’t see how Dems have a shot at the Senate. There’s only 8 GOP seats up for grabs, 2 that look plausible MAYBE, and we need a net gain of 5. The Senate ain’t happening.

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Belafon  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:16:28am

re: #257 Citizen K

I don’t see how Dems have a shot at the Senate. There’s only 8 GOP seats up for grabs, 2 that look plausible MAYBE, and we need a net gain of 5. The Senate ain’t happening.

Why would we need a net gain of five? We’re only down by two. So we need three to take charge of committees and block Pence.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:17:17am

re: #256 Timothy Watson

Damn toolbag still isn’t a Democrat so he can kindly fuck off.

He still hasn’t repudiated his Bros who refused to vote for Clinton, he never condemned them for refusing to work to elect Clinton either.

FFS, I think I have more right, even as a recovering Republican, to opine about Democratic Party strategy than he does.

You actually have worked for the Democratic Party, Timothy as have I. This past fall was the first time Bernie ever helped the party that helped him raise money for his campaigns.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:20:12am

If everyone claps really hard, Sanders’ campaign will come back to life.

en.wikipedia.org

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Franklin  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:20:21am

re: #257 Citizen K

re: #258 Belafon

Not only that, but the Democrats have 23 seats up for election, plus 2 Independents that caucus with the Dems. The Republican’s only have 9.

So we have to defend our 23+2 seats and try to chip away at their 9. There is a chance we lose seats.

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Citizen K  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:20:41am

re: #258 Belafon

Why would we need a net gain of five? We’re only down by two. So we need three to take charge of committees and block Pence.

Sorry, miscounted and forgot the caucusing indies on our side. So yeah, 3. That’s still a rough road to hoe when we’re defending 25 seats, including those 2 indies. I just don’t see a realistic way of that happening. Then again, I’ve lost faith that there’s any way this country would dare allow a Dem wave.

EDIT: Seasons? Where the hell is my head this morning…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:20:56am

And I honestly hate that I dislike someone with a lot of my same ideological beliefs but Sanders man, just stop shitting on others to make yourself the Lone Ranger and definitely stop shitting on the Dems when they’re the only way we’ll stop Trump. Oh and stop going to Trump states and acting like only you have their pulse. Many of those WV people who voted for you voted for you because they thought you’d be easier to beat than HRC.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:22:27am

If there is any single person that could cause a Democratic wave in 2018, that person is Drump.

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Franklin  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:22:39am

The extra seat that R’s have to defend (making a total of 9) is Session’s Alabama seat in a special election.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:23:15am

re: #261 Franklin

Not only that, but the Democrats have 23 seats up for election, plus 2 Independents that caucus with the Dems. The Republican’s only have 9.

So we have to defend our 23+2 seats and try to chip away at their 9. There is a chance we lose seats.

I will consider it a triumph if the Dems hold their ground, given the state of the party and the nation.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:23:24am

re: #265 Franklin

The extra seat that R’s have to defend (making a total of 9) is Session’s Alabama seat in a special election.

LOL

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Franklin  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:24:01am

re: #266 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I will consider it a triumph if the Dems hold their ground, given the state of the party and the nation.

Agreed. Hold the Senate where it is, take the House, start investigations.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:25:11am

re: #264 Dr. Matt

If there is any single person that could cause a Democratic wave in 2018, that person is Drump.

Yep!

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Timothy Watson  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:25:16am

re: #263 HappyWarrior

And I honestly hate that I dislike someone with a lot of my same ideological beliefs but Sanders man, just stop shitting on others to make yourself the Lone Ranger and definitely stop shitting on the Dems when they’re the only way we’ll stop Trump. Oh and stop going to Trump states and acting like only you have their pulse. Many of those WV people who voted for you voted for you because they thought you’d be easier to beat than HRC.

Yep, can’t ignore the amount of ratfucking support that went to his campaign. Or the misogyny.

I got a lot of issues with the Democratic Party, especially with some of the local Democratic committees, but Christ, Bernie, tell your Bros to go do some work if they want something to change.

It’s like Bernie and his supporters, regardless of age, are trying to be the quintessential stereotypical millennial who wants everyone to accommodate to them without having to do any work.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:25:17am

re: #252 Belafon

I hate to treat him like I do Stein, so I’ll split his actions into two possible choices:
1. He’s a Russian plant (this is what I believe Stein is).
2. He’s a stand in for the white men who would be Democrats if it weren’t for those damn women and minorities.

Number 2 is most likely.

It’s also baffling AF because he has appeal with quite a few minority groups lulled into thinking that the Democrats have either ‘slighted’ or ‘ignored’ them.

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Citizen K  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:25:59am

re: #265 Franklin

The extra seat that R’s have to defend (making a total of 9) is Session’s Alabama seat in a special election.

And considering Sessions ran unopposed in 2014, and his last actual race he won comfortably by 30 points, that’s about as far out of a seat as possible.

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Franklin  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:26:26am

re: #267 Decatur Deb

LOL

Don’t forget the MA seat that Warren has to defend against Curt Schilling.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:27:00am

re: #272 Citizen K

And considering Sessions ran unopposed in 2014, and his last actual race he won comfortably by 30 points, that’s about as far out of a seat as possible.

No Democrat holds a state-wide seat in Alabama.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:27:15am

Suspect in the school shooting in France is a teenager.

bbc.com

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:27:32am

re: #270 Timothy Watson

Yep, can’t ignore the amount of ratfucking support that went to his campaign. Or the misogyny.

I got a lot of issues with the Democratic Party, especially with some of the local Democratic committees, but Christ, Bernie, tell your Bros to go do some work if they want something to change.

It’s like Bernie and his supporters, regardless of age, are trying to be the quintessential stereotypical millennial who wants everyone to accommodate to them without having to do any work.

He wants to be a messiah I’m convinced of it. It saddens me because I had heard of Sanders long before 2016 and he was someone I admired but as his popularity grew, so did his head, he needs to stop making it all about him and those Trump state tours are all about him.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:29:44am

re: #271 Myron Falwell

Number 2 is most likely.

It’s also baffling AF because he has appeal with quite a few minority groups lulled into thinking that the Democrats have either ‘slighted’ or ‘ignored’ them.

He wants to make the WWC the biggest victim ignoring the other groups that have honestly much more pressing concerns and he ignores minority working class voters as he lies about the Dems neglecting the working class.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:31:23am

re: #276 HappyWarrior

He wants to be a messiah I’m convinced of it. It saddens me because I had heard of Sanders long before 2016 and he was someone I admired but as his popularity grew, so did his head, he needs to stop making it all about him and those Trump state tours are all about him.

For years I used to tune in to listen to Bernie on Tom Hartman’s show on Fridays. Indeed I liked his messaging but he always came off as a holier than thou purist. Some things never change.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:31:59am

Sanders honestly and this is the shame of it could be effective but he’s clearly focused more on a petty vendetta against the Dem establishment while at the same time happy to use them for his own interests I.e being the defender of ACA in the debate with Cruz, a law he’s sometimes trashed to further his agenda.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:32:24am

re: #273 Franklin

Don’t forget the MA seat that Warren has to defend against Curt Schilling.

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Warren and Sherrod Brown are excellent campaigners. Brown is facing noted dumbass — and failed 2012 GOP candidate — Josh Mandel.

If either of them lose, THEN we can talk about a post-republic fascist wasteland torn apart by political genocide and nuked to smithereens.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:32:45am

re: #278 Dr. Matt

For years I used to tune in to listen to Bernie on Tom Hartman’s show on Fridays. Indeed I liked his messaging but he always came off as a holier than thou purist. Some things never change.

It’s easy to be pure when you represent Vermont is all I will say.

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Citizen K  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:35:00am

re: #277 HappyWarrior

He wants to make the WWC the biggest victim ignoring the other groups that have honestly much more pressing concerns and he ignores minority working class voters as he lies about the Dems neglecting the working class.

The WWC stuff baffles me the most because…hey….Bernie? You’re Jewish. If recent events haven’t made it clear, they’re bent on revoking Jews’ temporary ‘white’ card, if it ever actually existed in the first place. I’ve said this before too when he got all in the bit about how much he identifies with the “White Working Class”.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:35:38am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Sanders honestly and this is the shame of it could be effective but he’s clearly focused more on a petty vendetta against the Dem establishment while at the same time happy to use them for his own interests I.e being the defender of ACA in the debate with Cruz, a law he’s sometimes trashed to further his agenda.

And it’s amazing what an opportunity he squandered by being such an asshole. He could have rebuilt the liberal wing of the Democratic Party going into a Clinton presidency if he had encouraged his supporters to go out, work on the Clinton campaign, get her elected, and stay involved in the Party afterwards.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:36:29am

re: #282 Citizen K

The WWC stuff baffles me the most because…hey….Bernie? You’re Jewish. If recent events haven’t made it clear, they’re bent on revoking Jews’ temporary ‘white’ card, if it ever actually existed in the first place. I’ve said this before too when he got all in the bit about how much he identifies with the “White Working Class”.

Yeah he seems clueless to that.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:36:38am

re: #219 wheat-dogg

Multiple times because my brainwashed family posted every one of them on their Facebook pages.

I truly despise how right wing pulpit pimps turned my family into pod people who do whatever the Republican Party commands.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:36:53am

Every leftie activist in this county could ride in a Greyhound bus (and many do). At any of our meetings you will still find a couple bitching about how Bernie was abused.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:37:23am

re: #264 Dr. Matt

If there is any single person that could cause a Democratic wave in 2018, that person is Drump.

Here I have to disagree. He is good at creating the image of success and prosperity where none exists. I expect he will be allowed to employ a lot of economic sleigh-of-hand to make it look like things are booming well into 2018 and even beyond, probably long enough to ensure his re-election.

I wish I could be less pessimistic, but my optimism has been severely damaged by recent events and developments.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:38:24am

re: #275 wheat-dogg

Suspect in the school shooting in France is a teenager.

bbc.com

If said teenager is an immigrant, then he is as good as ISIS.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:38:58am

re: #283 Timothy Watson

And it’s amazing what an opportunity he squandered by being such an asshole. He could have rebuilt the liberal wing of the Democratic Party going into a Clinton presidency if he had encouraged his supporters to go out, work on the Clinton campaign, get her elected, and stay involved in the Party afterwards.

Yeah that’s what frustrates me too. The thing that really upset me though is by creating a sort of cult of personality around himself is that he’s created this narrative that anyone who didn’t support him in the primaries to the fullest is an enemy. IT’s how great progressives like Dolores Huerta, John Lewis, Barney Frank, Elizabeth Warren, and others became the enemy of the bros because of how Bernie made himself the lone ranger as I said. He pays good lip service to the teamwork aspect of politics, too bad for him he never actually practices it.

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bratwurst  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:39:38am

It was only up for 22 minutes, but this tweet really was posted!

There were some good responses too:

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:40:36am

re: #286 Decatur Deb

Every leftie activist in this county could ride in a Greyhound bus (and many do). At any of our meetings you will still find a couple bitching about how Bernie was abused.

I want to ask them if the Dem establishment is so rigged, why did Obama beat Clinton in 2008? Or for them to explain how Bernie lost big in many states that did in fact have open primaries. But honestly, it can be e like dealing with Trump voters. I get that people wanted a different choice but Clinton was the choice of the Dem primary electorate. And she is a Democrat despite what those assholes claim about her being pretty much a Republican

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Citizen K  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:42:08am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

I want to ask them if the Dem establishment is so rigged, why did Obama beat Clinton in 2008? Or for them to explain how Bernie lost big in many states that did in fact have open primaries. But honestly, it can be e like dealing with Trump voters. I get that people wanted a different choice but Clinton was the choice of the Dem primary electorate. And she is a Democrat despite what those assholes claim about her being pretty much a Republican

And god knows how much of Bernie’s platform she absorbed into her own. But I guess that doesn’t matter because she touched it, and therefore it’s tainted with the evil that is all Clinton or some goddamned shit.

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Franklin  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:42:28am

re: #290 bratwurst

It was only up for 22 minutes, but this tweet really was posted!

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Ha! Looks like a social media intern/employee was given their walking papers, but McD’s forgot to change their Twitter password.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:42:34am

re: #255 b.d.

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thanks trump!

Brings back memories of how my Aunt insisted that Sesame Street was satanic because her preacher played the Sesame Street theme backwards and insisted that he heard “Serve Satan” over and over again…

Nothing would give RepubliKKKlans more joy than to see Big Bird shipped off to a KFC.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:43:19am

re: #287 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump is only able to pull that off with Republican voters, who are so conditioned to believe anything he says thanks to Rush ‘n Lumpy, Fox, Breitbart, etc., &c. It isn’t working and will never work with anyone else.

Rather, the real problem goes straight back to Bernie and the JillBots/Bros intent on an intercine war in the Democrat Party.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:44:07am

I am sorry to bitch about a fellow lefty this mornign too but I’m sick of seeing Sanders shit on the Democratic Party, a party I’ve done work in some form for the past twelve years on and off, and a party whose last President made sure I can’t be denied coverage because of my heart condition. I just don’t appreciate some guy who was happy to take Democratic money in the past and surely will in the future is happy to run down that party simply to make people who hate our party feel better about him. There’s a reason why minority voters didn’t buy his message and it’s because those folks know which party is actually there for them and they don’t need this working class nostagia bullshit to remind them.

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makeitstop  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:46:33am

re: #216 freetoken

I wonder if Trump just wanted to show off that he’s been practicing his salutes for form?

Well, someone reported yesterday that he saluted twice, so you may have a valid point there.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:47:10am

re: #292 Citizen K

And god knows how much of Bernie’s platform she absorbed into her own. But I guess that doesn’t matter because she touched it, and therefore it’s tainted with the evil that is all Clinton or some goddamned shit.

It was the most progressive Dem platform in years. And I’m sorry but we’re not going to reach a whole new generation of people with a cranky 75 year old from a state even whtier than Steve King’s ass especially when said guy’s immigration record has actually been praised by Steve King. Sanders lost. The mature and smart thing to do would be to build on the issues that resonated with people instead of using every opportunity he gets to trash the Democrats. At this point, I just want him if he runs in 2020 to be a non factor. Maybe it will give him some humility beacuse God knows he needs it.

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bratwurst  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:47:16am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

I want to ask them if the Dem establishment is so rigged, why did Obama beat Clinton in 2008?

The fact is the deck was “stacked” against Obama in 2008 every bit as much as it was against Bernie in 2016. A smarter candidate who connected with people of all backgrounds who had a significantly (really REALLY significantly) better campaign operation with much more intelligent advisors was able to overcome that.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:50:03am

re: #299 bratwurst

The fact is the deck was “stacked” against Obama in 2008 every bit as much as it was against Bernie in 2016. A smarter candidate who connected with people of all backgrounds and had a significantly (really REALLY significantly) better campaign operation with much more intelligent advisors was able to overcome that.

Obama had the Daves- Plouffe and Axelrod.Sanders had Devine and Weaver. But yes, you’re right. Obama had a much better campaign overall than Sanders did. It for one was much more inclusive. Sanders campaign had an ideological purity to it that I hated. I consider myself pretty staunchly liberal but the thing I love about the party is that it’s a pretty big tent.

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jeffreyw  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:51:28am

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Decatur Deb  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:52:02am

re: #301 jeffreyw

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Timothy Watson  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:52:35am

re: #289 HappyWarrior

Yeah that’s what frustrates me too. The thing that really upset me though is by creating a sort of cult of personality around himself is that he’s created this narrative that anyone who didn’t support him in the primaries to the fullest is an enemy. IT’s how great progressives like Dolores Huerta, John Lewis, Barney Frank, Elizabeth Warren, and others became the enemy of the bros because of how Bernie made himself the lone ranger as I said. He pays good lip service to the teamwork aspect of politics, too bad for him he never actually practices it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:53:09am

re: #295 Myron Falwell

Trump is only able to pull that off with Republican voters, who are so conditioned to believe anything he says thanks to Rush ‘n Lumpy, Fox, Breitbart, etc., &c. It isn’t working and will never work with anyone else.

It just has to work with enough voters in enough gerrymandered districts.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:53:54am

My favorite thing of the 2016 priamry though? The party’s far left using the “electability” arguement. See, I’ve been on the other side of that before back in my way lefty days as a Kucinich supporter. I hated and still do the idea of using hypothetical polls as a reason to nominate someone. I ultimately came to prefer Clinton over Sanders for three very practical reasons A) I thought she would be a better President than he would, B) I thought she would be able to implement more positive change than he would, C) I thought she was more prepared for the job than he was, and D) I thought she would be more open to having advisers that would challenge her and not just be yes men and women.

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Franklin  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:54:02am

re: #301 jeffreyw

No no no. The cats go on the OUTSIDE of the pie.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:55:34am

re: #303 Timothy Watson

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 6:58:12am

The problem I’m seeing is a far left that really reminds me of the worst elements of the Tea Party. All or nothing mindsets, viewing moderates as the enemy, a lack of basic understanding of frankly 8th grade Civics, and running on pure rage alone. Now I admire their energy but at the same time, I worry these people have no idea what they’re doing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:02:21am

re: #308 HappyWarrior

The problem I’m seeing is a far left that really reminds me of the worst elements of the Tea Party. All or nothing mindsets, viewing moderates as the enemy, a lack of basic understanding of frankly 8th grade Civics, and running on pure rage alone. Now I admire their energy but at the same time, I worry these people have no idea what they’re doing.

…and their susceptibility to manipulation, undermining and outright ratfucking from outside forces.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:05:50am

re: #309 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

…and their susceptibility to manipulation, undermining and outright ratfucking from outside forces.

Right. I actually read an article the other day about some of the Bernie fan pages being hijacked by trolls from Eastern Europe.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:06:35am

re: #307 HappyWarrior

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(alpuz)  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:06:55am

re: #293 Franklin

Ha! Looks like a social media intern/employee was given their walking papers, but McD’s forgot to change their Twitter password.

Heh, been there, maybe done something like that. :)

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:09:31am

re: #311 Timothy Watson

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:09:39am

re: #310 HappyWarrior

Right. I actually read an article the other day about some of the Bernie fan pages being hijacked by trolls from Eastern Europe.

Part of what makes them so susceptible is the way that they are ideologically blindered and unable to see that they are being jerked about.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:18:43am

re: #314 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Part of what makes them so susceptible is the way that they are ideologically blindered and unable to see that they are being jerked about.

Yes, I think that’s right.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:19:06am

re: #287 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Here I have to disagree. He is good at creating the image of success and prosperity where none exists. I expect he will be allowed to employ a lot of economic sleigh-of-hand to make it look like things are booming well into 2018 and even beyond, probably long enough to ensure his re-election.

I wish I could be less pessimistic, but my optimism has been severely damaged by recent events and developments.

I disagree. This is a man who lost the popular vote in historic fashion, already has historic low ratings, and has an large and increasing Trump regret movement. You can continue to be pessimistic but pessimism is why we are here right now.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:20:18am

I have not purchased a McDonald’s meal in probably a decade, but after today’s tweet I think I’m going to give them some business this week.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:20:24am

re: #316 Dr. Matt

I disagree. This is a man who lost the popular vote in historic fashion, already has historic low ratings, and has an large and increasing Trump regret movement. You can continue to be pessimistic but pessimism is why we are here right now.

I am counting on the press allowing him to whip up support through some crisis; war or a terror attack, and through tweaked economic figures…all of which will eventually backfire, but I fear that that will take a long time…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:21:39am

re: #317 Dr. Matt

I have not purchased a McDonald’s meal in probably a decade, but after today’s tweet I think I’m going to give them some business this week.

BEtter hurry if yo uwant a shamrock shake.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:22:16am

re: #319 HappyWarrior

BEtter hurry if yo uwant a shamrock shake.

a four-leaf shamrock shake?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:22:56am

re: #320 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

a four-leaf shamrock shake?

Ask Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:23:55am

re: #321 HappyWarrior

Ask Trump.

so culturally clueless, he even alienates white people

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(alpuz)  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:24:23am

re: #318 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I’m with you on this one. I don’t really think it’s all that pessimistic. To me, here in a dot of blue surrounded by pretty much poor, republican, dittoheads that’s really the reality of the situation. IMHO.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:26:22am

re: #323 (alpuz)

I’m with you on this one. I don’t really think it’s all that pessimistic. To me, here in a dot of blue surrounded by pretty much poor, republican, dittoheads that’s really the reality of the situation. IMHO.

It’s all going to be about ground game and getting out our base. Trump will prove tougher in 2020 though as an incumbent but I just can’t see us electing four consecutive two term Presidents either. That said, we can’t take for granted that he will be easy to beat.

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BeachDem  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:27:14am

re: #235 Timothy Watson

I’ve never watched the Powerpuff Girls and when you mentioned someone named Bubbles, I immediately thought of The Wire.

And I immediately thought of Absolutely Fabulous.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:28:21am

re: #313 HappyWarrior

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:32:00am

re: #326 Timothy Watson

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wheat-dogg  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:37:57am

re: #317 Dr. Matt

I have not purchased a McDonald’s meal in probably a decade, but after today’s tweet I think I’m going to give them some business this week.

Be sure to tell them why. Ask for the manager on duty, or fill out a comment card. It could become a thing.

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(alpuz)  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:41:03am

I. Just. can’t. Eat. Mc.D’s. Sorry, I’ve tried…*sob* I’ve really tried!

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Timothy Watson  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:42:28am

re: #329 (alpuz)

I. Just. can’t. Eat. Mc.D’s. Sorry, I’ve tried…*sob* I’ve really tried!

Have they brought back the McRib yet?

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wheat-dogg  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:45:10am

re: #329 (alpuz)

I. Just. can’t. Eat. Mc.D’s. Sorry, I’ve tried…*sob* I’ve really tried!

The fries are OK. Ditto the coffee. Not sure if they still have the cinnamon rolls, but I loved those for breakfast.

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sagehen  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:50:18am

re: #243 HappyWarrior

She was a writer on the show at the time IIRC.

nononono

Tina Fey had left SNL years before; she was doing 30 Rock. They brought her back as a special guest to do Palin, and it was only for a few months.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:53:56am

re: #332 sagehen

nononono

Tina Fey had left SNL years before; she was doing 30 Rock. They brought her back as a special guest to do Palin, and it was only for a few months.

Oh, my mistake, thanks.

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(alpuz)  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:56:30am

re: #330 Timothy Watson

Have they brought back the McRib yet?

I’ll never forget my first McRib experience. It was a WTF moment for sure.

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Belafon  Mar 16, 2017 • 7:58:40am

re: #329 (alpuz)

I. Just. can’t. Eat. Mc.D’s. Sorry, I’ve tried…*sob* I’ve really tried!

Buy a McFlurry.

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b.d.  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:00:36am

re: #329 (alpuz)

I. Just. can’t. Eat. Mc.D’s. Sorry, I’ve tried…*sob* I’ve really tried!

They have a new menu, you should revisit the place…

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(alpuz)  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:02:22am

I spent about 5 years trying to get back into the McDonalds thing. My son loved it. I spent every summer traveling around for his baseball, we ate a lot of fast food. I tried, guys… I really tried. Whenever I ate there, I could feel it for at least 36 hours… then, we’d hit another one.

*sigh*

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Timothy Watson  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:03:44am

re: #335 Belafon

Buy a McFlurry.

I like their Frappe things.

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(alpuz)  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:04:15am

re: #336 b.d.

They have a new menu, you should revisit the place…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:04:20am

re: #337 (alpuz)

I spent about 5 years trying to get back into the McDonalds thing. My son loved it. I spent every summer traveling around for his baseball, we ate a lot of fast food. I tried, guys… I really tried. Whenever I ate there, I could feel it for at least 36 hours… then, we’d hit another one.

*sigh*

I still stop there occasionally with my kids. It is not food, it is bribery (if you behave, we’ll go to McD afterwards!). They still do burgers and fries just fine, anything else I have tried from them has been a disappointment.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:04:59am

re: #337 (alpuz)

I spent about 5 years trying to get back into the McDonalds thing. My son loved it. I spent every summer traveling around for his baseball, we ate a lot of fast food. I tried, guys… I really tried. Whenever I ate there, I could feel it for at least 36 hours… then, we’d hit another one.

*sigh*

I usually go to Wawa or Sheetz, sometimes Chick-Fil-A, depends if I’m trying to be a good progressive or not.

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Lupin  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:08:28am

re: #230 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Time to start recklessly speculating…

News here at 4:15 pm is that the suspect is a disturbed 17-yr old, no connection to islamists; he shot with a (presumably hunting) rifle loaded with pellets; 3 wounded lightly, 5 lightly hurt in the ensuing panic, no dead.

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makeitstop  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:08:35am

re: #341 Timothy Watson

I usually go to Wawa or Sheetz, sometimes Chick-Fil-A, depends if I’m trying to be a good progressive or not.

They opened a Chick-Fil-A by me, but my better instincts keep me from going (I’m not real big on fast food, anyway). There’s always a line out of the place for the drive-through.

Is it really that good?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:10:13am

re: #342 Lupin

News here at 4:15 pm is that the suspect is a disturbed 17-yr old, no connection to islamists; he shot with a (presumably hunting) rifle loaded with pellets; 3 wounded lightly, 5 lightly hurt in the ensuing panic, no dead.

all the hallmarks of ISIS

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Lupin  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:10:52am

There was a fair amount of speculation upthread about the “future” of America. IMHO America during and post-Trump (because there will be a post-Trump) will look a lot like Brazil or Argentina.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:11:44am

re: #343 makeitstop

They opened a Chick-Fil-A by me, but my better instincts keep me from going (I’m not real big on fast food, anyway). There’s always a line out of the place for the drive-through.

Is it really that good?

Yes.

Some of the Coordinated Campaign organizers were joking that going to Chick-Fil-A was their dirty little secret.

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Lupin  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:11:52am

re: #344 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

all the hallmarks of ISIS

Pure amateurism. We’re envious of your massacres.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:11:55am

re: #340 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I still stop there occasionally with my kids. It is not food, it is bribery (if you behave, we’ll go to McD afterwards!). They still do burgers and fries just fine, anything else I have tried from them has been a disappointment.

Oh no, they do not do burgers “fine” at all unless you like a soggy rubber patty with no flavor.

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I cannot.  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:12:02am

re: #343 makeitstop

It IS good, not wait through a huge line good though…although I’m a bit weird with lines and crowds.

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Henny Penny  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:12:57am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:13:12am

re: #345 Lupin

There was a fair amount of speculation upthread about the “future” of America. IMHO America during and post-Trump (because there will be a post-Trump) will look a lot like Brazil or Argentina.

At some point, Trump’s “America First” isolationism will lead to the Dollar being dropped as the world’s reserve currency and our economy will collapse majorly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:14:29am

re: #348 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Oh no, they do not do burgers “fine” at all unless you like a soggy rubber patty with no flavor.

I like the quarter-pounder, or “Hamburger Royale” as they call it here in the Land of Metric

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Lupin  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:17:50am

re: #275 wheat-dogg

Suspect in the school shooting in France is a teenager.

bbc.com

ID is protected by law (since he’s a minor) but Regional President is taking pains to tell the press there is no connection to islamism. They also said the suspect’s social media appears to indicate he was obsessed by the Columbine shooting.

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Belafon  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:17:58am

re: #348 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Oh no, they do not do burgers “fine” at all unless you like a soggy rubber patty with no flavor.

I think “fine” in this case means “exactly the way they have always done it” which is good if that’s what you want. I like their Big Mac, which you can now get a single patty version (or a bigger version).

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(alpuz)  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:19:23am

re: #348 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Oh no, they do not do burgers “fine” at all unless you like a soggy rubber patty with no flavor.

Oh, man… stop, my stomach is starting to hurt. I’m burping up…

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reidr  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:20:54am

re: #2 Kragar

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LOL, sorry, phone typo, meant to say “defunding Western civilization”.

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makeitstop  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:21:06am

re: #350 Henny Penny

Ruined her day

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Video

nbcnewyork.com

Wouldn’t you think they’d have enough sense to get out of the damn way?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:21:33am

re: #355 (alpuz)

Oh, man… stop, my stomach is starting to hurt. I’m burping up…

My buddy used to stop for a burger at the McD out in the desert halfway between Phoenix and Tucson. He did not drink coffee, but he said that the indigestion would help keep him awake…

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Sir John Barron  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:25:52am

re: #24 FormerDirtDart

Why is Obummer always campaigning?!?!?

DT rallies

These are great, so awesome, shutup libtard losers!!!

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(alpuz)  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:26:40am

re: #355 (alpuz)

Oh, man… stop, my stomach is starting to hurt. I’m burping up…

… some sorta secret sauce, and pickles.

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Belafon  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:28:10am

re: #360 (alpuz)

… some sorta secret sauce, and pickles.

You should go see a doctor. If you’re burping up stuff you haven’t eaten, then you’ve got a really rare condition.

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(alpuz)  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:29:28am

re: #361 Belafon

You should go see a doctor. If you’re burping up stuff you haven’t eaten, then you’ve got a really rare condition.

Yeah, It’s called a flashback. A lot like bad LSD.

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EmmaAnne  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:30:17am

re: #357 makeitstop

Wouldn’t you think they’d have enough sense to get out of the damn way?

It was slowed way down. As soon as people saw what was happening they started moving out of the way but it was too late.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:30:23am

re: #362 (alpuz)

Yeah, It’s called a flashback. A lot like bad LSD.

Wow, like acid reflux?

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(alpuz)  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:32:07am

re: #364 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Wow, like acid reflux?

I’m mostly just joking around here, but yeah, I really do get bad food flashbacks. They pass… or at least they have in the past. ;)

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makeitstop  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:32:19am

re: #363 EmmaAnne

It was slowed way down. As soon as people saw what was happening they started moving out of the way but it was too late.

It looked like most of them were on their phones or taking video.

I would have seen that snow flying and run to get the hell out of the way.

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Henny Penny  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:32:53am

re: #357 makeitstop

Her smart phone didn’t tell her to. (She wasn’t holding it)

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(alpuz)  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:34:10am

I’m out folks. Heading to Madison to spend some time with Junior before he departs on his first spring break. Take care, and I’ll be lurking(can’t help myself).

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electrotek  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:34:36am

re: #344 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

all the hallmarks of ISIS

There was once a time just 3 years ago when a massacre in America had a lot more coverage than a shooting in Belgium done by a Da’esh member. Both happened at the same time on Memorial Day weekend in 2014. Can anyone take a wild guess what those two events were?

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Sir John Barron  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:35:31am

re: #360 (alpuz)

… some sorta secret sauce, and pickles.

Thanks, now I cannot not taste that.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:39:48am

“…In December, British officials approved the “cautious use” of the techniques, which are intended to prevent women from passing on fatal genetic diseases to their children. The new procedures fix problems linked to mitochondria, the energy-producing structures outside a cell’s nucleus. Faulty mitochondria can result in conditions including muscular dystrophy and major organ failure…”

“…The procedure used in that case, called spindle nuclear transfer, involves removing the healthy nucleus from one of the mother’s eggs and transferring it to a donor egg which had had its nucleus removed. The resulting egg - with nuclear DNA from the mother and mitochondrial DNA from a donor - was then fertilized with the father’s sperm.

The resulting embryo contained genetic material from three parents - the mother, the egg donor, and the father…”

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:41:10am
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Sir John Barron  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:47:01am

re: #372 FormerDirtDart

JUST IN: Trump to propose cutting State Department budget by up to 31 percent

Can’t make sense of this.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:47:43am

The only media coverage I’ve seen.
Type of “weapon” not identified

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b.d.  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:49:07am

re: #372 FormerDirtDart

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JUST IN: Trump to propose cutting State Department budget by up to 31 percent

All of those guys will have to use their own servers now…

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Jay C  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:49:07am

re: #353 Lupin

ID is protected by law (since he’s a minor) but Regional President is taking pains to tell the press there is no connection to islamism. They also said the suspect’s social media appears to indicate he was obsessed by the Columbine shooting.

Well, at the present time (11:45 ET) the WaPo is running an article making the Grasse school shooting sound like the Utoya Massacre: I’m sure they’ll get around to reporting a more nuanced account eventually, but for now they’re making it sound pretty bad.
Sigh.

And yeah, reading the BBC account immediately led me to believe that this was a strictly personal vendetta (the “headmaster was targeted”) - can’t be helped, I guess: nuts grow in every climate…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:49:19am

re: #373 Sir John Barron

Can’t make sense of this.

I can only think that he has a personal grudge against all those career diplomats who think they know more than he and his staff…

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Timothy Watson  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:50:51am

re: #376 Jay C

Well, at the present time (11:45 ET) the WaPo is running an article making the Grasse school shooting sound like the Utoya Massacre: I’m sure they’ll get around to reporting a more nuanced account eventually, but for now they’re making it sound pretty bad.
Sigh.

And yeah, reading the BBC account immediately led me to believe that this was a strictly personal vendetta (the “headmaster was targeted”) - can’t be helped, I guess: nuts grow in every climate…

Unlike every time this type of thing happens in the United States, he at least didn’t have an AR-15 or an AK-47.

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Skip Intro  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:50:59am

re: #138 goddamnedfrank

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Price is quickly becoming the worst motherfucker in Trump’s Cabinet, which in that menagerie of taint-waffles is really saying something.

Why states? Why not counties?

Do you know how many red counties just in CA disagree with the state about everything?

Or maybe even cities, because not all cities agree with what the county does.

Let’s just get it over with and burn everything to the ground, like President Bannon wants.

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electrotek  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:51:11am

re: #376 Jay C

Well, at the present time (11:45 ET) the WaPo is running an article making the Grasse school shooting sound like the Utoya Massacre: I’m sure they’ll get around to reporting a more nuanced account eventually, but for now they’re making it sound pretty bad.
Sigh.

And yeah, reading the BBC account immediately led me to believe that this was a strictly personal vendetta (the “headmaster was targeted”) - can’t be helped, I guess: nuts grow in every climate…

Trying to make the recent school shooting seem like Utoya is absolutely dishonest and disgraceful by WaPo. No need for them to engage in hysterics in the name of viewership.

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Skip Intro  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:51:45am

re: #197 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Time to disband the judiciary and replace it with people who do not hate America

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That’s coming. Soon.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:52:18am

re: #354 Belafon

I’ll admit to eating a big mac now and then and the new BIG one sounds intriguing. I think the only thing that makes the big mac taste good is the salt content of sauce and cheese combined with the sour of the pickle.

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Skip Intro  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:53:01am

re: #258 Belafon

Why would we need a net gain of five? We’re only down by two. So we need three to take charge of committees and block Pence.

You consider Manchin a Democrat? How about Bernie?

Two isn’t going to cut it.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:53:24am

re: #377 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I can only think that he has a personal grudge against all those career diplomats who think they know more than he and his staff…

He must not think State acts to protect America or that it can get by with much less in trying to do so in a world of many hostile actors.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:54:12am

re: #384 Sir John Barron

He must not think State acts to protect America or that it can get by with much less in trying to do so in a world of many hostile actors.

…or that it might interfere with his business dealings.

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Belafon  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:56:13am

re: #383 Skip Intro

You consider Manchin a Democrat? How about Bernie?

Two isn’t going to cut it.

We’re not going to get any laws passed, but we would be in control of committees.

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Jay C  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:56:56am

re: #380 electrotek

Trying to make the recent school shooting seem like Utoya is absolutely dishonest and disgraceful by WaPo. No need for them to engage in hysterics in the name of viewership.

OK, just to be clear, my “Utoya” simile was meant to be sarcastic: but the WaPo piece still, IMO, was conflating two separate incidents (the Grasse school shooting and the Paris IMF letter-bombing) into an exaggerated “terror” crisis. Which seems not to be the case.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:57:21am

re: #372 FormerDirtDart

Our idiot President is convinced we don’t need any allies to survive. Ugh…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:58:11am

re: #387 Jay C

OK, just to be clear, my “Utoya” simile was meant to be sarcastic: but the WaPo piece still, IMO, was conflating two separate incidents (the Grasse school shooting and the Paris IMF letter-bombing) into an exaggerated “terror” crisis. Which seems not to be the case.

it smelled of scoop, and in the modern journalistic climate, nobody worries about consequences of over-speculating or over-hyping.

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Skip Intro  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:58:55am

This Is the Ending Conservatives Always Wanted

Every year, during the run-up to Halloween, when Jim DeMint goes to Hell’s mega-mall and sits on Satan’s lap, he has a list of things he wants for the holiday. The parents of the assembled demons and imps behind him in line often get frustrated because the list is so long. On Thursday, the Trump Administration released its proposed national budget. It’s been a long time coming, but DeMint and the rest of the greasy barbarians at Heritage finally got most of what they asked for.

This proposed budget isn’t extreme. Reagan’s proposed budget in 1981 was extreme. This budget is short-sighted, cruel to the point of being sadistic, stupid to the point of pure philistinism, and shot through with the absolute and fundamentalist religious conviction that the only true functions of government are the ones that involve guns, and that the only true purpose of government is to serve the rich.

esquire.com

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Decatur Deb  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:59:19am

re: #385 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

…or that it might interfere with his business dealings.

With the life expectancy of a rich 70 year old, his business interests and political interests cannot be separated. All he has left to do is to get re-elected. Then the apotheosis is complete.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:59:25am

re: #388 Eclectic Cyborg

Our idiot President is convinced we don’t need any allies to survive. Ugh…

I’ve never seen a president that so disdains the idea of allies.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Mar 16, 2017 • 8:59:35am

re: #325 BeachDem

Trailer Park Boys.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 16, 2017 • 9:00:01am

Making room for Breitbart/Trump TV.
Can’t be having leftist ideas like Public Television infecting his base…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 16, 2017 • 9:01:38am

re: #392 HappyWarrior

I’ve never seen a president that so disdains the idea of allies.

It’s a business mentality: My operation has the most money so screw the competition.

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Targetpractice  Mar 16, 2017 • 9:03:04am

re: #373 Sir John Barron

Can’t make sense of this.

As noted above, this is a war budget. This is a budget proposed by an administration that is either preparing to initiate or anticipating someone else to initiate hostilities in the near future. My money is Trump expects to go to war with Iran before fall of next year.

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Jay C  Mar 16, 2017 • 9:03:29am

re: #389 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

it smelled of scoop, and in the modern journalistic climate, nobody worries about consequences of over-speculating or over-hyping.

Well, it smelled of something all right: but the WaPo piece was posted at 11:36 ET - one would think they would have had time - hours after the attack - to put up something a little more substantive.

Right: “one would think”…..

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Dr. Matt  Mar 16, 2017 • 9:04:24am

These people are fucking insane:

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electrotek  Mar 16, 2017 • 9:05:08am

re: #215 Timothy Watson

It’s a “tradition” that was started by Reagan over the objections of some military and civilian personnel who thought it was inappropriate.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 16, 2017 • 9:08:19am

re: #399 electrotek

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You have a finite number of keys to stroke. Don’t waste them.

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electrotek  Mar 16, 2017 • 9:10:42am

re: #400 Decatur Deb

You have a finite number of keys to stroke. Don’t waste them.

It wasn’t hard. Google and SEO skills come in handy. I wouldn’t have wasted my time, but since the poster is a local, I had even more of an incentive to dig up on him.

Isn’t it quite telling that those who hate Muslims or any other group are too afraid when called out on it?

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Amory Blaine  Mar 16, 2017 • 9:11:02am

re: #375 b.d.

All of those guys will have to use their own servers now…

//

They can sell brownies for fundraisers!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 9:12:03am

re: #398 Dr. Matt

These people are fucking insane:

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THat’ll be news to my cousin.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 16, 2017 • 9:13:33am

OK, Team Trump isn’t the only “shamrock” oblivious organization…

The Toronto Rock is a professional lacrosse team.
Even more disappointing is that a real three-leaf shamrock would have mimicked their primary logo nicely

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Lidane  Mar 16, 2017 • 9:14:09am

Heh.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 16, 2017 • 9:16:39am
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Decatur Deb  Mar 16, 2017 • 9:17:47am

re: #405 Lidane

Heh.

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Rather good-natured encounter.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 9:19:34am

re: #405 Lidane

Heh.

This does give one a bit of hope that we will prevail.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 9:20:33am

re: #406 Dr. Matt

180 contrast from HRC who nourished State, understood value/importance of diplomacy/aid… & malevolent idiots - both left and right - labeled her as more dangerous

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Dr. Matt  Mar 16, 2017 • 9:21:07am

re: #405 Lidane

Heh.

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JordanRules  Mar 16, 2017 • 9:29:37am
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darthstar  Mar 16, 2017 • 9:43:19am

You have to love the fact that Trump was so upset with the ruling against his Muslim ban that he blurted out it was a ‘watered down version’ of the original unconstitutional piece of shit order he signed.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 9:45:31am

re: #411 JordanRules

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WHen does Kign recommend The Turner Diares and Mein Kempf?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 9:46:50am

re: #412 darthstar

You have to love the fact that Trump was so upset with the ruling against his Muslim ban that he blurted out it was a ‘watered down version’ of the original unconstitutional piece of shit order he signed.

Yep the state AGs jobs just got easier for finding reason to quash the EO.

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jeffreyw  Mar 16, 2017 • 9:58:57am

Imgur
Lunch!

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scottslemmons  Mar 16, 2017 • 9:59:06am

re: #405 Lidane

Heh.

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And y’all remember what “Bless your heart” means in the South, right? :)

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 16, 2017 • 9:59:45am

And, it’s not even an “Alt” account

I wonder if someone will get a “What the hell is that supposed to mean?” call

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Dr. Matt  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:05:46am

re: #415 jeffreyw

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Lunch!

Desert!

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There are 2 things a Highlander likes naked , and the other one is Malt Whisky

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Belafon  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:05:57am

re: #417 FormerDirtDart

And, it’s not even an “Alt” account

I wonder if someone will get a “What the hell is that supposed to mean?” call

Sort of like saying to Trump “Be a good president.”

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freetoken  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:09:59am

To which no one is surprised at all:

Trump’s Budget Slashes Climate Change Funding

[…]

The budget would end programs to lower domestic greenhouse gas emissions, slash diplomatic efforts to slow climate change and cut scientific missions to study the climate.

“It’s terrible from the perspective of having any concern at all about climate change,” says Andrew Light, a senior fellow at the World Resources Institute’s climate program and a professor at George Mason University.

“They can cut the funding, but climate change is real and we’re going to have to deal with it,” says Chris McEntee, director of the American Geophysical Union. “Slashing this kind of funding is not going to assist in building the resiliency to climate and the impacts of climate change that this country needs.”

[…]

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Dr. Matt  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:11:48am

I’m actually stunned that a fucked up state like Texas would vote for something that is such commonsense.

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Teukka  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:12:37am

re: #421 Dr. Matt

I’m actually stunned that a fucked up state like Texas would vote for something that is such commonsense.

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“Gubmit overreach! Overeggulation!”

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freetoken  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:13:43am

Basically, Trump wants to kill of satellites that would monitor the Earth, which would provide the kind of data needed to track climate change in detail to study various cause and effects.

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makeitstop  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:14:44am

This son of a bitch should be deported, like yesterday - Nazi-Allied Group Claims Top Trump Aide Sebastian Gorka As Sworn Member

Sebastian Gorka, President Trump’s top counter-terrorism adviser, is a formal member of a Hungarian far-right group that is listed by the U.S. State Department as having been “under the direction of the Nazi Government of Germany” during World War II, leaders of the organization have told the Forward.

The elite order, known as the Vitézi Rend, was established as a loyalist group by Admiral Miklos Horthy, who ruled Hungary as a staunch nationalist from 1920 to October 1944. A self-confessed anti-Semite, Horthy imposed restrictive Jewish laws prior to World War II and collaborated with Hitler during the conflict. His cooperation with the Nazi regime included the deportation of hundreds of thousands of Jews into Nazi hands.

Gorka — who Vitézi Rend leaders say took a lifelong oath of loyalty to their group — did not respond to multiple emails sent to his work and personal accounts, asking whether he is a member of the Vitézi Rend and, if so, whether he disclosed this on his immigration application and on his application to be naturalized as a U.S. citizen in 2012. The White House also did not respond to a request for comment.

But Bruce Einhorn, a retired immigration judge who now teaches nationality law at Pepperdine University, said of this, “His silence speaks volumes.”

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Teukka  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:15:11am

re: #423 freetoken

Basically, Trump wants to kill of satellites that would monitor the Earth, which would provide the kind of data needed to track climate change in detail to study various cause and effects.

Everything to get the country, and the world, into a situation where climate change smacks them in the face like the massive clue x 6” it is…

*smh*

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:15:56am

Islamophobe Jr is rallying to support Gorka.

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freetoken  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:16:39am

re: #425 Teukka

Also cut would be our international assistance to countries to help them develop without carbon emitting power sources.

In other words, Trump wants to make sure these developing countries need to buy Russian oil.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:18:20am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:21:59am

re: #426 FormerDirtDart

Islamophobe Jr is rallying to support Gorka.

They will simply make him out to be a good fellow who is being victimized by left-wing oppression and PC obsession for holding “alternative opinions” about the role of Jews in history…

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Timothy Watson  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:22:04am

Voodoo economics mixed with making shit up later:

Republican gubernatorial frontrunner Ed Gillespie unveiled a tax reform proposal today that would cut Virginia’s individual income tax rate for the first time since 1972 and push cities and counties to scrap local business taxes.

Gillespie, a former Republican National Committee chairman and political consultant who holds significant polling and fundraising advantages over his three opponents in the Republican primary, called the tax reform plan the “centerpiece” of his economic message as the GOP looks to retake the Executive Mansion after years of Democratic control.

Gillespie is expected to roll out his call for an “across-the-board” cut at two campaign events today in Northern Virginia and an online town hall meeting tonight via Facebook Live.

The proposal centers on a 10 percent cut to the individual income tax rate phased in over three years if the state brings in enough new revenue to pay for it, an approach Gillespie said would prevent government services from being disrupted for lack of funding. When fully implemented, the cut would save an average family of four almost $1,300 per year, the Gillespie campaign said.

[…]

The tax cuts would be based on revenue triggers, meaning they would only kick in if the state takes in enough new money cover the cost. It’s unclear what economic conditions would have to be met for the tax cuts to occur. Gillespie said the triggers would be designed at a later date by budget officials and the General Assembly.

richmond.com

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:23:25am

re: #430 Timothy Watson

Voodoo economics mixed with making shit up later:

richmond.com

Gillespie is such a bs artist.

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darthstar  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:23:29am

re: #428 FormerDirtDart

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Dr. Matt  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:24:06am

It’s trending:

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Timothy Watson  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:25:35am

re: #433 Dr. Matt

It’s trending:

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Are they also going to boycott all the states who filed the amicus brief too?

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darthstar  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:25:48am

re: #433 Dr. Matt

It’s trending:

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How long would a snowflake last in Hawaii, anyway?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:27:36am

re: #433 Dr. Matt

It’s trending:

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Boycott, they use that word, they don’t understand what it means.

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Teukka  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:27:39am

re: #435 darthstar

How long would a snowflake last in Hawaii, anyway?

Surprisingly long if Ma Nature decides to throw HI a WX curve-ball.
Not ///.

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freetoken  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:28:06am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:28:37am

re: #438 freetoken

Pissing match in the Senate:

Rand Paul fires back, calls McCain ‘a little bit unhinged’

Don’t you hate it when mommy and daddy fight? //

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:30:35am

Boycott Hawaii, LOL. That’ll just make more room for the international tourists, who spend the big bucks anyway.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:31:14am

re: #433 Dr. Matt

It’s trending:

OFFS

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Dr. Matt  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:31:24am

The Top Tweets from #boycotthawaii are hilarious: twitter.com

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:31:26am

Nothing to see here, please move along…

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Kragar  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:31:48am
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Sir John Barron  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:31:59am

re: #439 HappyWarrior

Don’t you hate it when mommy and daddy fight? //

Some hot wingnut-on-wingnut action.

I know McCain isn’t the worst of the wingnuts by any stretch but he still qualifies.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:34:22am

re: #444 Kragar

I’m so old I remember when wingnuts cheered courts overturning Obama EO’s because Obama was a tyrant, abusing executive authority, etc.

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Belafon  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:35:16am

re: #446 Sir John Barron

I’m so old I remember when wingnuts cheered courts overturning Obama EO’s because Obama was a tyrant, abusing executive authority, etc.

The difference being that Obama’s EOs helped people.

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ObserverArt  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:35:32am

So, just checking in and haven’t had time to check out the activity since last night.

I’ve been in digital hell setting up a website and also fighting a spammer attack at a small forum I run. I did a new update of complete new forum software and it seemed to send out a notice to spammers to attack.

I think I am going to have to do the register by contacting the site admin or even go with sending an email with an explanation of why you want to join and set up any new user one at a time.

Fucking spam!

Anyway…are we still “a more perfect union” or has Trump completely dismantled everything Obama set up over night?

You just never know.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:35:36am

re: #445 Sir John Barron

Some hot wingnut-on-wingnut action.

I know McCain isn’t the worst of the wingnuts by any stretch but he still qualifies.

I know. That’s why I am enjoying seeing him and Paul fight.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:36:04am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:36:25am

re: #449 HappyWarrior

I know. That’s why I am enjoying seeing him and Paul fight.

John and Paul fighting? Sounds like a remake of “Let it Be”…

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Kragar  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:36:50am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:38:15am

re: #451 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

John and Paul fighting? Sounds like a remake of “Let it Be”…

Senators RIngo and George had no comment :).

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Sir John Barron  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:38:27am

re: #447 Belafon

The difference being that Obama’s EOs helped people.

Ah, well that would explain it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:39:33am

Obama was actually pretty conservative with his EOs all things considered too but that didn’t stop the GOP from acting like he was an EO dispenser. Obama’s EOs often came when the GOP in Congress refused to work with him on an issue i..e. immigration.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:41:14am

Trump gave us a huge gift in Nashville last night too as far as I’m concerned. Spicer and the acting SG have contended that it’s not a Muslim ban but Trump pretty much let it all out last night.

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makeitstop  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:44:14am

re: #453 HappyWarrior

Senators RIngo and George had no comment :).

Well, George did weigh in with a pledge to do whatever was necessary…

Beatles - Paul & George

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ObserverArt  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:46:08am

re: #451 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

John and Paul fighting? Sounds like a remake of “Let it Be”…

So, who is Linda and who is Yoko?

Who is Alan Klein and who are the Eastmans???

459
jaunte  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:48:24am

The “Border Wall” remains a colossally stupid idea.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:48:46am

re: #458 ObserverArt

So, who is Linda and who is Yoko?

Who is Alan Klein and who are the Eastmans???

Steve Bannon is definitely Alan Klein

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:50:03am

re: #459 jaunte

[Embedded content]

The “Border Wall” remains a colossally stupid idea.

The cuts to the EPA and State trouble me the most. This administration simply has no use for science and diplomacy.

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electrotek  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:50:42am

Some of the financial world are starting to wake up to the effects of climate change by any means necessary

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:51:45am

re: #461 HappyWarrior

The cuts to the EPA and State trouble me the most. This administration simply has no use for science and diplomacy anyone who claims to know more about what they are doing than Trump and his staff.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:53:10am
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jaunte  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:53:13am

re: #461 HappyWarrior

They’re going to eliminate productive, helpful programs, and burn the money in giant vanity bonfires.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:54:45am

re: #465 jaunte

They’re going to eliminate productive, helpful programs, and burn the money in giant vanity bonfires.

with minimal oversight and transparency…

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Kragar  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:55:03am
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Belafon  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:55:40am

re: #462 electrotek

Some of the financial world are starting to wake up to the effects of climate change by any means necessary

According to Huffington Post, Mattis supports that climate change is real, and a threat”

Secretary of Defense James Mattis has asserted that climate change is real, and a threat to American interests abroad and the Pentagon’s assets everywhere, a position that appears at odds with the views of the president who appointed him and many in the administration in which he serves.

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gocart mozart  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:56:23am
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Jay C  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:56:50am

He says this like it’s a joke……
(I hope?)

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Sir John Barron  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:57:53am

re: #469 gocart mozart

any employer should be able to impose any requirements or restrictions he likes. get a job somewhere else

— Can We Not…

Ah, those Freedom lovers…..

/

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:58:07am

re: #470 Jay C

[Embedded content]

He says this like it’s a joke……
(I hope?)

The spin will simply be that Obama was nefariously deep-state enough to destroy all evidence of his obvious and blatant violations of law and human decency.

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makeitstop  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:58:27am

Fuckers.

Facebook Post

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sagehen  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:58:49am

re: #435 darthstar

How long would a snowflake last in Hawaii, anyway?

At the top of Mauna Loa? All winter.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:58:57am

re: #469 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

And yet people like this tool bag are the same people who complain about people not having jobs. Maybe you shouldn’t let employers use something like genetics to be able to discriminate against job applicants. These assholes accuse us of thinking the government should have too much power. Well they want to give way too much power to businesses. I mean it’s one thing if a company wants to know if I have a heart condition if I’m applying for a job that involves heavy life and strenuous physical activity but a DNA test?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 10:59:43am

re: #473 makeitstop

Fuckers.

[Embedded content]

I hate people sometimes. This shit has gotten worse and it’s definitely because of Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:00:01am

re: #475 HappyWarrior

And yet people like this tool bag are the same people who complain about people not having jobs. Maybe you shouldn’t let employers use something like genetics to be able to discriminate against job applicants. These assholes accuse us of thinking the government should have too much power. Well they want to give way too much power to businesses. I mean it’s one thing if a company wants to know if I have a heart condition if I’m applying for a job that involves heavy life and strenuous physical activity but a DNA test?

And in addition, is there any guarantee that the information the company garners will remain confidential? Fuck no, that is valuable information that they can monetize.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:01:00am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:01:25am

re: #477 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And in addition, is there any guarantee that the information the company garners will remain confidential? Fuck no, that is valuable information that they can monetize.

Exactly too. Where is the prohibition from companies being able to sell this information. I mean I get things like employers wanting to drug test prospective employees. I’ve done that before but there is a bridge too far and this is it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:01:42am

re: #478 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

You wouldn’t know about safety if it bit you in your tiny hands.

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jaunte  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:02:18am

re: #469 gocart mozart

too busy sticking out your hand expecting people who work for a living to pay you to stay home.

One more person without the perception to understand they can’t separate themselves from the human condition; they won’t be young forever, they won’t be healthy forever, they might lose everything they have, and then what? Galt’s gulch.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:03:51am

re: #478 Backwoods_Sleuth

I thought “freedom” was the number one priority?

And by “safety” I assume DT doesn’t mean safety of workers, consumers….

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Belafon  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:03:56am

re: #478 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think Franklin had a comment about freedom and safety.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:04:09am

If conservatives want to let companies to whatever the fuck they want to prospective employees then I don’t want them complaining about people not getting good jobs.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:04:49am

re: #478 Backwoods_Sleuth

A budget that puts #AmericaFirst must make safety its no. 1 priority—without safety there can be no prosperity:

So State budget cut of 30% makes us more safe?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:05:38am

re: #485 Sir John Barron

So State budget cut of 30% makes us more safe?

They’re cutting FEMA too aren’t they?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:05:48am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:06:14am

Trump last night marveled at how in 1942, we were putting out a B-24 an hour. And yes we were. We also were a war economy in 1942.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:06:35am

re: #486 HappyWarrior

They’re cutting FEMA too aren’t they?

What’s FEMA?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:07:05am

re: #487 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Their stupid bigotry is going to cost them and I’m finding it impossible to feel bad for them. I feel bad for their neighbors who knew this was coming but not the assholes who shouted Trump that btich, lock her up, etc.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:07:16am

My hatred grows stronger by the hour these days, but…
This is fine.

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sagehen  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:07:42am

re: #465 jaunte

They’re going to eliminate productive, helpful programs, and burn the money in giant vanity bonfires.

Don’t be silly. They’re going to give it to their friends, like a Potlatch.

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darthstar  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:08:07am

re: #444 Kragar

Speaking of pedophiles…did you hear about the GOP representative who was caught in a hotel room with a teenage boy? He’s worried about Transsexuals using the bathroom but doesn’t mind himself fucking boys on the side apparently.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:08:12am

re: #488 HappyWarrior

Trump last night marveled at how in 1942, we were putting out a B-24 an hour. And yes we were. We also were a war economy in 1942.

and our navy had more ships, too…

What the fuck is he talking about?

Who was paying for those planes? the Germans?

495
freetoken  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:08:33am

Trump’s supporters appear to be in love with his budget. His Facebook page is full of defenders. I especially liked the claim that seniors are “scamming” Meals On Wheels.

Yes, that’s what one of Trump’s supporters wrote.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:08:59am

re: #494 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and our navy had more ships, too…

What the fuck is he talking about?

Who was paying for those planes? the Germans?

He’s just showing how he’s an illiterate jackass when it comes to the budget.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:10:08am

re: #495 freetoken

Trump’s supporters appear to be in love with his budget. His Facebook page is full of defenders. I especially liked the claim that seniors are “scamming” Meals On Wheels.

Yes, that’s what one of Trump’s supporters wrote.

…and that is why we have such an enormous deficit!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:10:20am

re: #495 freetoken

Trump’s supporters appear to be in love with his budget. His Facebook page is full of defenders. I especially liked the claim that seniors are “scamming” Meals On Wheels.

Yes, that’s what one of Trump’s supporters wrote.

Yeah, my elderly Nana who at the end couldn’t even tell the difference between her son and over 20 years departed husband was “scamming” Meals on Wheels. These fucking people. The other nice thing Meals on Wheels did is it allows for some social interaction for seniors too. When I first heard about Meals on Wheels being cut, I immediately thought of Nana.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:10:27am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:10:39am

re: #497 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

…and that is why we have such an enormous deficit!

And the Chesapeake Bay clean up. Those damn ungrateful crabs!

501
Sir John Barron  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:11:05am

re: #495 freetoken

I especially liked the claim that seniors are “scamming” Meals On Wheels.

Everybody’s scamming except the DT lovers, apparently.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:11:32am

re: #478 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:11:33am

re: #499 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Nice to know that Nazi fans have a place in Trump’s administration.

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wrenchwench  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:11:35am

re: #473 makeitstop

Fuckers.

[“It is your civic duty to report any and all illegal aliens,”]

It is also your civic duty to make babies. Got that? Report aliens and make babies. Civic duty.

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sagehen  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:15:38am

re: #488 HappyWarrior

Trump last night marveled at how in 1942, we were putting out a B-24 an hour. And yes we were. We also were a war economy in 1942.

We also had a full 10% of the population (all able-bodied men 18-34) in uniform on battlefields. State-sponsored childcare centers, so moms could work 60 hours a week. Income tax started at 25% for low earners, up to 92% for the top-bracket. Profiteering (by factory owners) was a 10-year prison sentence.

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makeitstop  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:16:18am

In happier news - head Kink Ray Davies was knighted today.

The Kinks frontman Sir Ray Davies was knighted for services to British music today.
The rock legend, 72, whose music has been an inspiration to generations of fans, was honoured by the Prince of Wales at Buckingham Palace this afternoon.
Sir Ray, who is considered one of Britain’s greatest modern songwriters, described the investiture with his typical dry wit and said: ‘It lasted three minutes and it went very well and I said goodbye and went home.’
The Kinks were formed in 1963 and became one of the era’s most influential bands - their influence on acts like Oasis and Blur earned Sir Ray the nickname Godfather of Britpop.
Describing how he felt when he was told he said: ‘Initially I felt a mixture of surprise, humility, joy and a bit embarrassed but after thinking about it, I accept this for my family and fans as well as everyone who has inspired me to write.’

If he’d written nothing besides ‘Waterloo Sunset,’ he’d still be eligible AFAIC. Congratulations, Sir Ray.

The Kinks - Waterloo Sunset HD (Excellent Quality)

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:17:00am

re: #505 sagehen

We also had a full 10% of the population (all able-bodied men 18-34) in uniform on battlefields. State-sponsored childcare centers, so moms could work 60 hours a week. Income tax started at 25% for low earners, up to 92% for the top-bracket. Profiteering (by factory owners) was a 10-year prison sentence.

Yep, it was a totally different era. Anyone who actually believes Trump’s lies about how our military is a gullible fool at best.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:18:02am

re: #506 makeitstop

In happier news - head Kink Ray Davies was knighted today.

If he’d written nothing besides ‘Waterloo Sunset,’ he’d still be eligible AFAIC. Congratulations, Sir Ray.

[Embedded content]

Although as a good small r, republican, I would have politely refused, props to Ray. The Kinks are an under-appreciated Band.

The Kinks - Sunny Afternoon

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electrotek  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:18:27am

re: #505 sagehen

We also had a full 10% of the population (all able-bodied men 18-34) in uniform on battlefields. State-sponsored childcare centers, so moms could work 60 hours a week. Income tax started at 25% for low earners, up to 92% for the top-bracket. Profiteering (by factory owners) was a 10-year prison sentence.

And mandatory rationing.

Can you imagine the elite 1 percenters willing to give up their Range Rover or Escalades in the name of the war effort?

510
HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:20:04am

re: #509 electrotek

And mandatory rationing.

Can you imagine the elite 1 percenters willing to give up their Range Rover or Escalades in the name of the war effort?

FNC had they been around circa 1943: Is rationing a form of Communism?

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sagehen  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:22:49am

re: #498 HappyWarrior

Yeah, my elderly Nana who at the end couldn’t even tell the difference between her son and over 20 years departed husband was “scamming” Meals on Wheels. These fucking people. The other nice thing Meals on Wheels did is it allows for some social interaction for seniors too. When I first heard about Meals on Wheels being cut, I immediately thought of Nana.

Also, when they die (and they will, mostly sort of soon) somebody will notice. They won’t be left to rot in their recliner while the cat eats their face.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:23:33am

re: #511 sagehen

Also, when they die (and they will, mostly sort of soon) somebody will notice. They won’t be left to rot in their recliner while the cat eats their face.

It just breaks my heart since that program does do a lot of good for elderly people.

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wrenchwench  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:24:37am

re: #506 makeitstop

In happier news - head Kink Ray Davies was knighted today.

If he’d written nothing besides ‘Waterloo Sunset,’ he’d still be eligible AFAIC. Congratulations, Sir Ray.

[Embedded content]

Video

There are soooooooooooooo many. Even post-Kinks.

Ray Davies - Working Man’s Café

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makeitstop  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:26:31am

re: #513 wrenchwench

There are soooooooooooooo many. Even post-Kinks.

[Embedded content]

Indeed. He’s an all-time great.

I’m idly wondering if Brother Dave is seething somewhere…

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sagehen  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:30:07am

re: #508 HappyWarrior

Although as a good small r, republican, I would have politely refused, props to Ray. The Kinks are an under-appreciated Band.

[Embedded content]

Ducks on the Wall — The Kinks (feat. baby ducks!)

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Teukka  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:32:12am

re: #469 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

That last pic, Triangle Shirtwaist company?

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wrenchwench  Mar 16, 2017 • 11:44:10am

re: #514 makeitstop

Indeed. He’s an all-time great.

I’m idly wondering if Brother Dave is seething somewhere…

I think he finally grew up.

So what was the first thing Davies played on his guitar after the stroke and his long recovery?

“The same thing I played when I picked up the guitar as a kid — the chord of E,” he says. “E will always have a special place in my heart and soul because of when I picked up a guitar in the first place, and then when I was in rehab.”

Davies says he had an epiphany in the hospital: “We’re so egotistical that we actually think we’re in control of our lives, but it’s bollocks. We’re in control of nothing. When I realized there was nothing I could do about it, I actually felt I was starting to get better.”

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ObserverArt  Mar 16, 2017 • 12:46:17pm

re: #485 Sir John Barron

So State budget cut of 30% makes us more safe?

No the big ass military Donny wants increased big league is all you need. And of course, more freedom to buy guns for citizens so you can quickly set up a citizens army too.

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Jebediah, RBG  Mar 16, 2017 • 1:40:16pm

re: #213 William Lewis

I think I am in love with Marceline.


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