Breaking: Trumpcare Fails Bigly - GOP Withdraws Bill

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And there we have it, folks. Several sources are now reporting that the Trumpcare bill is dead in the water.

So Donald Trump’s first really consequential piece of legislation has failed utterly to gain the support of his own party, not to mention the vehement opposition from most of the US public. This bill’s approval rating was hovering at around 17% in the latest polls, because people know that it’s a grotesque parody of anything approaching real health care, basically a huge handout to the super-rich paid for by the poor and the elderly, and an inhuman effort to strip vital services from the people who need it most. In other words, the usual Republican intent.

The self-described master of deal-making has completely failed to push through one of his signature campaign promises. Are we tired of losing yet, Donald?

The real winners, though, are the 24 million people who won’t be afraid of losing their health insurance now.

UPDATE at 3/24/17 12:54:49 pm by Charles Johnson

Trump, meanwhile, is trying to blame this on the Democratic Party and President Obama, because of course he is.

UPDATE at 3/24/17 1:06:04 pm by Charles Johnson

And now, House Republicans are totally giving up on this absurdly inhuman disaster of a bill too:

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Myron Falwell  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:48:43pm
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Kragar  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:49:07pm
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:49:24pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:50:15pm

LOL!

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:50:40pm

Another one of Trumps “Really Great Plans” by “Really good people” concocted programs bites the dust into the wastebin of non-history.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:50:47pm
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Kragar  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:52:01pm
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TedStriker  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:52:18pm
The self-described master of deal-making has completely failed to push through one of his signature campaign promises. Are we tired of losing yet, Donald?
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:52:20pm

d.t.’d

honestly, even though i know they are morons and that they have difficulties w the reality thing, and even though i expected them to drive themselves into the dump sooner or later, i really expected them to do a better job of being fascists and assholes than this

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:52:21pm

This leaves only one option: Total Repeal!!!

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:52:37pm
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Joe Bacon  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:53:01pm
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:53:14pm
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Kragar  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:53:19pm
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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:53:32pm

re: #11 FormerDirtDart

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Drumpf is throwing him under the bus truck.

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KGxvi  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:53:47pm

Short of a bill requiring everyone to have herpes, I can’t really imagine how hard you have to try to come up with a bill that only gets 17% favorability among voters. Granted, some of the opposition might be made up of members of the crazification factor who think it doesn’t go far enough, but when you’re literally at 3 out of 20, that’s a level of incompetence that actually requires the mindset of “let’s see how bad we can make this.” It’s like playing Civilization and deciding, I’m just going to invade everyone just to see what happens.

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EPR-radar  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:53:58pm

Realistically, the Republicans will likely find a way to make the ACA system break down over time.

But I’ll take what wins I can get, and this is a good one. The Greatest Deal Maker of All Time just stepped on a whole bunch of rakes.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:53:59pm

There’s going to be a circular firing squad in the post-mortem of this train wreck. I actually think that this is the type of thing that could cause some of his hard(er) core supporters to turn unless he can credibly find a scape goat. But if he can’t—the folks that had this caricature view of Trump the deal maker, Trump the business man might start to think they’ve been had.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:54:06pm
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Myron Falwell  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:54:34pm

I always knew, deep down in my heart, that the GOP rank-and-file is so fucking dysfunctional that they wouldn’t be able to get their signature bill passed.

I had no idea they were THIS fucking dysfunctional.

I’m… I’m totally speechless.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:54:56pm

Shep Smith just reported that he heard Trump is going to reach out to Democrats and try to convince them to come over in the future. HAHAHAHAHA. Please proceed.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:55:43pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:55:46pm
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Timothy Watson  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:56:01pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:56:10pm

Cheeto Benito said yesterday that he wanted to withdraw the “Hurry Up & Die” bill and leave the ACA in place “so everyone can see what a total disaster it is.”

Yeah that’ll show everybody.

*snerk*

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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:56:11pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

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And I would have gotten away with it, if Obama hadn’t wiretapped my phone!

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KGxvi  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:56:27pm

re: #21 Dr. Matt

Shep Smith just reported that he heard Trump is going to reach out to Democrats and try to convince them to come over in the future. HAHAHAHAHA. Please proceed.

Trump’s deal making skills in full effect.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:57:11pm
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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:57:23pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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freetoken  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:58:01pm

re: #28 FormerDirtDart

In that he was probably correct - no one could have done this mess quite like him.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:58:10pm

I sincerely hope Democrats keep telling Trump and the GOP to go pound 100 tons of sand on just about any subject up for legislation. Let them own EVERYTHING.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:58:14pm
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allegro  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:58:19pm

I would just like to take a moment to reflect on our system of government that even though quite bent is still not broken. The pushback has resulted in bigly fail for most everything thus far these lunatics have tried to pull off. It also appears that investigations, by both the IC and journalists, into the Russia-Trump collusion continuing in force.

This is a good day.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:58:28pm

re: #29 lawhawk

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I think we’ve long since established that the Republicans know nothing whatsoever about health care. Granted, they know nothing about anything else, either, but still.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:58:39pm

re: #24 Timothy Watson

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so stealing this

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Dr. Matt  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:58:42pm
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:59:02pm
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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:59:05pm

re: #36 Dr. Matt

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Suck up.

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freetoken  Mar 24, 2017 • 12:59:51pm

Propose that an even wider generalization can be made: today’s GOP do not know how to govern on a national scale. They’re all specialists in single-voter issues (abortion, anti-immigrant, etc.), most of which are atavistic at best.

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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:00:25pm

Figure come Monday, Trump will be talking nonstop about an infrastructure bill that the GOP wont want either - because the Freedom Caucus doesn’t want to pay for it without cutting the same exact stuff that they tried cutting in the AHCA/#Trumpcare.

Democrats better not take any bait from Trump to work on this infrastructure stuff, which is just as much vaporware/malware as the GOP health care proposals.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:00:30pm

GOP gubernatorial candidate Corey Stewart is reaching peak wingnut:

Republican candidate for governor Corey Stewart did an “Ask Me Anything” on Reddit Thursday, embracing name calling and the alt-right’s nativist tone.

He also called Bill Clinton a rapist and dubbed Gov. Terry McAuliffe and GOP front runner Ed Gillespie “cuckservatives.”

This is a combination of “cuckhold,” a derisive term for a man whose wife cheats on him, and “conservative.” Think of it as the newer and more oddly sexually tinged version of RINO - “Republican in Name Only.”

Or, as conservative commentator Erick Erickson has put it in the past, “a slur against Christian voters coined by white supremacists.” Republican Party of Virginia Chairman John Whitbeck put out a statement Friday calling the term racist and condeming its use “unequivocally and without exception.”

dailypress.com

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:00:32pm

Is it too early to break out the good wine?

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Joe Bacon  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:00:46pm
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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:00:52pm

re: #42 PhillyPretzel

Is it too early to break out the good wine?

Not at all.

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Kragar  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:01:30pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:01:37pm

re: #40 lawhawk

Figure come Monday, Trump will be talking nonstop about an infrastructure bill that the GOP wont want either - because the Freedom Caucus doesn’t want to pay for it without cutting the same exact stuff that they tried cutting in the AHCA/#Trumpcare.

Democrats better not take any bait from Trump to work on this infrastructure stuff, which is just as much vaporware/malware as the GOP health care proposals.

So since I wasn’t here at the time - what’s the deal with this Drumpf/Cruz/Rubio $19B Mission to Mars bill? I love space exploration and it sounds like an awesome project, but because of the names in it, I just have to believe it’s a colossal fuckup of epic proportions.

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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:01:49pm
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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:02:00pm
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BigPapa  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:02:08pm

re: #42 PhillyPretzel

Is it too early to break out the good wine?

It’s 10:01AM here. We were in Good Wine O’Clock 60 seconds ago.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:02:14pm

With twin goals met of giving Trump a black eye and passing off any sort of responsibility over America’s health care, I guess now the Republicans in Congress can now get right to their tent pole legislation and proceed with huge tax cuts for the wealthiest leaving the resulting massive Budget Deficits to us a few years down the road. In 3,2,1…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:02:15pm

re: #39 freetoken

Propose that an even wider generalization can be made: today’s GOP do not know how to govern on a national scale. They’re all specialists in single-voter issues (abortion, anti-immigrant, etc.), most of which are atavistic at best.

and this is why they fought ACA tooth and nail: they knew that it it would be too popular to repeal once enough people took advantage of it

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:02:18pm

re: #44 thedopefishlives

When I get some I will enjoy it. :)

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EPR-radar  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:02:23pm

re: #39 freetoken

Propose that an even wider generalization can be made: today’s GOP do not know how to govern on a national scale. They’re all specialists in single-voter issues (abortion, anti-immigrant, etc.), most of which are atavistic at best.

A group of politicians whose careers have been built exclusively on flinging shit at the other side is, in fact, incapable of governing. Surprise, surprise, surprise!

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Kragar  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:02:43pm
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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:02:52pm

re: #52 PhillyPretzel

When I get some I will enjoy it. :)

I hear the best wine comes in high-tech boxes.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:03:49pm

(as in the Cleveland Browns curse)

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Jebediah, RBG  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:04:25pm

re: #18 Mike Lamb

There’s going to be a circular firing squad in the post-mortem of this train wreck. I actually think that this is the type of thing that could cause some of his hard(er) core supporters to turn unless he can credibly find a scape goat. But if he can’t—the folks that had this caricature view of Trump the deal maker, Trump the business man might start to think they’ve been had.

Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated.avi.mp4

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Birth Control Works  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:05:10pm

re: #28 FormerDirtDart

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no one can fail at it like you

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Charles Johnson  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:05:12pm
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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:05:19pm

re: #55 thedopefishlives

I am a bit old fashioned about that. To me good wine comes in glass bottles with corks. And yes I do have a corkscrew.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:05:45pm
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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:06:03pm

re: #60 PhillyPretzel

I am a bit old fashioned about that. To me good wine comes in glass bottles with corks. And yes I do have a corkscrew.

I should have included the sarc tags, I see. Boxed wine is only good for cheaply and somewhat inefficiently getting oneself drunk.

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Kragar  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:06:43pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:06:47pm

my satisfaction with this is beyond words

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

snork

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:07:35pm

re: #46 thedopefishlives

So since I wasn’t here at the time - what’s the deal with this Drumpf/Cruz/Rubio $19B Mission to Mars bill? I love space exploration and it sounds like an awesome project, but because of the names in it, I just have to believe it’s a colossal fuckup of epic proportions.

Probably because the Republican’s idea of space development involves a lot of praying and lining up corporate sponsorships slapped on the sides of spacecraft over any sort of real hard science and renewable and sustainable energy needed for such an endeavor. .

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Mike Lamb  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:07:36pm

The ACA is by no means safe—I’m certain there are multiple ways that it can be sabotaged in order to whet the appetite again for repeal. And the ACA is by no means perfect. It is, however, miles and miles better than the prior system. What this debacle shows was how important it was to get something reasonable on the books. Once the repeal bill saw the light of day, and a comparison could be made with ACA, it became readily apparent to nearly everyone that ACA provided a MUCH better option. An added benefit to everything was to put in stark relief exactly the socioeconomic demographic the GOP has prioritized.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:07:36pm

re: #64 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

my satisfaction with this is beyond words

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

snork

I may have to break my long-standing rule and have a couple of fingers of the good whiskey tonight.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:08:05pm

re: #66 Mike Lamb

The ACA is by no means safe—I’m certain there are multiple ways that it can be sabotaged in order to whet the appetite again for repeal. And the ACA is by no means perfect. It is, however, miles and miles better than the prior system. What this debacle shows was how important it was to get something reasonable on the books. Once the repeal bill saw the light of day, and a comparison could be made with ACA, it became readily apparent to nearly everyone that ACA provided a MUCH better option. An added benefit to everything was to put in stark relief exactly the socioeconomic demographic the GOP has prioritized.

attacks on women’s healthcare will continue.

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EPR-radar  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:08:05pm

As I understand it, the House Republicans wanted to do ACA repeal before their tax cuts because that would set up the lowered taxes from ACA repeal as the baseline for further tax cuts.

Now that this has failed, all they need to do is make the tax cuts twice as large.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:08:31pm

re: #60 PhillyPretzel

I am a bit old fashioned about that. To me good wine comes in glass bottles with corks. And yes I do have a corkscrew.

corks are not necessary for wines that are not meant to be aged for years and years…many good wines come with screw tops, mostly light whites that are meant to be enjoyed within 2-5 years

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calochortus  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:08:38pm

re: #60 PhillyPretzel

I am a bit old fashioned about that. To me good wine comes in glass bottles with corks. And yes I do have a corkscrew.

There are some excellent Aussie wines in screw top bottles.
Just so you know…

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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:08:45pm

re: #62 thedopefishlives

I should have included the sarc tags, I see. Boxed wine is only good for cheaply and somewhat inefficiently getting oneself drunk.

I don’t know… I find the spigot is very efficient for that task.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:08:58pm

re: #39 freetoken

Propose that an even wider generalization can be made: today’s GOP do not know how to govern on a national scale. They’re all specialists in single-voter issues (abortion, anti-immigrant, etc.), most of which are atavistic at best.

The other bigly problem is that this iteration of the GOP control so many state governments, and thus, can manipulate the vote (district boundaries, access laws, campaign finance) to a ridiculous advantage, in addition to preying off of people’s resentment.

Caeteris paribus, this group of morons wouldn’t be anywhere near Washington DC.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:09:13pm

re: #72 InfidelOfFreedom

I don’t know… I find the spigot is very efficient for that task.

So is Mrs. Fish’s giant wine glass that is capable of holding one full 750ml bottle’s worth of wine at a time.

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nines09  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:09:18pm

re: #39 freetoken

Propose that an even wider generalization can be made: today’s GOP do not know how to govern on a national scale. They’re all specialists in single-voter issues (abortion, anti-immigrant, etc.), most of which are atavistic at best.

They are the party of boogiemen. Fear and loathing. They’re coming for your guns. Illegals are taking jobs. Muslims are terrorists. Immigrants will murder you. On and on. If they did not have that, they would be exposed for the Pyramid Scheme for the wealthy that they truly are. They are no builders. Only takers. Now…Let’s go and push for independent investigations into the Russians and the GOP and Trump.

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EPR-radar  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:09:23pm

re: #68 Birth Control Works

attacks on women’s healthcare will continue.

Satan’s party will continue to go about Satan’s business of tax cuts for the rich and fucking everything else up.

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TedStriker  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:10:25pm

re: #20 Myron Falwell

I always knew, deep down in my heart, that the GOP rank-and-file is so fucking dysfunctional that they wouldn’t be able to get their signature bill passed.

I had no idea they were THIS fucking dysfunctional.

I’m… I’m totally speechless.

Good things come to those who wait…Lord knows, we can use a few good things right now.

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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:10:30pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:10:46pm

Wasn’t it like two weeks ago, Trump said, “Nobody knew healthcare was so complicated!”

Welcome to the Big Leagues, Donny. And remember - all the people you tried to bluff with your ultimatum? They’re the same folks you have to deal with on every single thing you want to accomplish.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:10:47pm

re: #69 EPR-radar

Look for a public to start embracing Obamacare and shrug off the historical attacks against it by Republicans and Trump. Any sort of sabotage can be campaign fodder for Democrats in the upcoming midterms. Dems can then shore up the program when once again in power. Trump will embrace the modifications if he gets to own part of it by passing this newly popular government program.

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TedStriker  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:11:00pm

re: #21 Dr. Matt

Shep Smith just reported that he heard Trump is going to reach out to Democrats and try to convince them to come over in the future. HAHAHAHAHA. Please proceed.

I hope they spit in his face…metaphorically speaking.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:11:18pm

re: #68 Birth Control Works

attacks on women’s healthcare will continue.

Very true…but without the ability to go through reconciliation on a straight majority vote, it will still be difficult to get something done.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:11:41pm

re: #82 Mike Lamb

Very true…but without the ability to go through reconciliation on a straight majority vote, it will still be difficult to get something done.

we can only hope

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:11:42pm

re: #62 thedopefishlives

I should have included the sarc tags, I see. Boxed wine is only good for cheaply and somewhat inefficiently getting oneself drunk.

boxed wine is excellent for hiking trips!

as is cheese in a spray can (it keeps for weeks)

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:11:52pm
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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:12:28pm

re: #74 thedopefishlives

So is Mrs. Fish’s giant wine glass that is capable of holding one full 750ml bottle’s worth of wine at a time.

I very nearly bought one during my last trip to Total Wine. I think next time I will break down and get it.

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calochortus  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:12:42pm

re: #62 thedopefishlives

I should have included the sarc tags, I see. Boxed wine is only good for cheaply and somewhat inefficiently getting oneself drunk.

Boxed wine is great for cooking because you can just keep the box in the fridge for a couple months and use what you need.
I know you’re only supposed to cook with “good” wine, but IMHO that’s just so you can enjoy drinking some while you cook. Once you’ve simmered your wine, or even better boiled it to reduce it for your sauce, it seems to me that the flavor nuances might, possibly, be lost.

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darthstar  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:13:06pm
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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:13:17pm

re: #86 InfidelOfFreedom

I very nearly bought one during my last trip to Total Wine. I think next time I will break down and get it.

Total Wine is now one of my favorite stores. Sorry, local liquor store, but when it comes time to restock the liquor cabinet (such as right after fishfolk’s pending visit, heh), I can do that much more efficiently there.

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ObserverArt  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:13:59pm

re: #17 EPR-radar

Realistically, the Republicans will likely find a way to make the ACA system break down over time.

But I’ll take what wins I can get, and this is a good one. The Greatest Deal Maker of All Time just stepped on a whole bunch of rakes.

Will they?

No one wants to seem to admit that some of the pressure really was coming from Congress members hearing it from people in their home districts.

The cover is off this mess, and I think they have to be thinking they can’t kill it or let it die as they will be held responsible.

Another obvious fact no one in the GOP wants to admit. People do like the ACA now that it has been made clear Obamacare was really the ACA.

I think it is now protected by ordinary Americans. Any death of it will be seen as suspicious and it will have GOP DNA all over it identifying the killers.

Probably why Ryan said the other day something to the effect of: If we don’t do it now, it will never be done. They all know.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:14:25pm

re: #87 calochortus

Boxed wine is great for cooking because you can just keep the box in the fridge for a couple months and use what you need.
I know you’re only supposed to cook with “good” wine, but IMHO that’s just so you can enjoy drinking some while you cook. Once you’ve simmered your wine, or even better boiled it to reduce it for your sauce, it seems to me that the flavor nuances might, possibly, be lost.

Yeah, that never made sense to me. Cooking with wine would infuse some flavor, but much of it would be lost through evaporation and destroyed from heat-related denaturing processes.

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TedStriker  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:14:41pm

re: #84 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

boxed wine is excellent for hiking trips!

as is cheese in a spray can (it keeps for weeks)

My cheese whiz boy

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BigPapa  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:14:51pm

re: #55 thedopefishlives

I hear the best wine comes in high-tech boxes.

It chaps my hide when people call it box wine. There’s a bag inside the box that the wine is in. So it should be called Bag Wine people.

That sounds classy, right? Better than Sack Wine.

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Kragar  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:15:26pm
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Jack Burton  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:15:52pm

re: #79 Blind Frog Belly White

Wasn’t it like two weeks ago, Trump said, “Nobody knew healthcare was so complicated!”

Welcome to the Big Leagues, Donny. And remember - all the people you tried to bluff with your ultimatum? They’re the same folks you have to deal with on every single thing you want to accomplish.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:16:22pm

re: #89 thedopefishlives

Total Wine is now one of my favorite stores. Sorry, local liquor store, but when it comes time to restock the liquor cabinet (such as right after fishfolk’s pending visit, heh), I can do that much more efficiently there.

I tell all my friends it is Toys R Us for grown-ups.

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TedStriker  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:16:34pm

re: #87 calochortus

Boxed wine is great for cooking because you can just keep the box in the fridge for a couple months and use what you need.
I know you’re only supposed to cook with “good” wine, but IMHO that’s just so you can enjoy drinking some while you cook. Once you’ve simmered your wine, or even better boiled it to reduce it for your sauce, it seems to me that the flavor nuances might, possibly, be lost.

While that’s true, I’ve watched enough Good Eats episodes that cook with wine and it’s simple: you get what you put into it. Crap wine in, crappy flavor in the finished dish, because any flavors, good or bad, get magnified when it’s cooked down.

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calochortus  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:16:36pm

Ryan at his press conference “We just didn’t quite get consensus today.”

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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:17:09pm

re: #96 InfidelOfFreedom

I tell all my friends it is Toys R Us for grown-ups.

The first time I went in, I was completely dumbstruck. Mrs. Fish had been there before and had to gently prod me out of the middle of the aisle. Then I found the Scotch and I just kinda parked for a half hour while she shopped.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:17:15pm

“It’s enough already”? This was like TWO WEEKS. Obama worked on the ACA for over a YEAR!!!

The Democrats let him down? How, by not signing on to destroy their own signature accomplishment? How the fuck does that even make sense?

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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:17:24pm

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:17:35pm

re: #98 calochortus

::: putting on the chest waders ::: The BS is starting to fly.

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calochortus  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:18:06pm

re: #97 TedStriker

While that’s true, I’ve watched enough Good Eats episodes that cook with wine and it’s simple: you get what you put into it. Crap wine in, crappy flavor in the finished dish.

True. So you don’t use crappy wine-you use decent wine, but not that $40/bottle Cab you have sitting around.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:18:30pm

Alright. Off to put in my penance at Job #2. I’ll be back later tonight with pizza, and cheap(er) whiskey, and will probably wind up having to sign off early due to insensibility. Later Lizards.

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Kragar  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:18:59pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:19:08pm

re: #47 lawhawk

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More coverage, linked in comments:

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MsJ  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:19:17pm

re: #66 Mike Lamb

The ACA is by no means safe—I’m certain there are multiple ways that it can be sabotaged in order to whet the appetite again for repeal. And the ACA is by no means perfect. It is, however, miles and miles better than the prior system. What this debacle shows was how important it was to get something reasonable on the books. Once the repeal bill saw the light of day, and a comparison could be made with ACA, it became readily apparent to nearly everyone that ACA provided a MUCH better option. An added benefit to everything was to put in stark relief exactly the socioeconomic demographic the GOP has prioritized.

Aside from starving it of funding, they still have damn near two (if not four) years to repeal and replace it with nothing.

They won’t give up. They never do.

On to privatizing social security!

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:19:22pm

How will they blame this on the black guy? Awaiting the serving of mental spaghetti that is surely coming down the Tweet-lines for dinner.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:20:13pm

re: #99 thedopefishlives

The first time I went in, I was completely dumbstruck. Mrs. Fish had been there before and had to gently prod me out of the middle of the aisle. Then I found the Scotch and I just kinda parked for a half hour while she shopped.

I hang out where ever they hand out the free champagne samples and make very purposeful faces.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:20:44pm
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Stanley Sea  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:20:56pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:21:14pm

re: #50 Rocky-in-Connecticut

With twin goals met of giving Trump a black eye and passing off any sort of responsibility over America’s health care, I guess now the Republicans in Congress can now get right to their tent pole legislation and proceed with huge tax cuts for the wealthiest leaving the resulting massive Budget Deficits to us a few years down the road. In 3,2,1…

They are so incompetent they may even fail at that, and cutting taxes is usually the one thing they are good at!

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Interesting Times  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:21:35pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

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If by “favor” he means, “take so many benefits away from trump supporters that they finally wake up to reality”, perhaps he has a point.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:22:30pm

Ryan’s talking FAST

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calochortus  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:22:45pm

Ryan now pointing out that they have to figure out how to govern now that they have a majority.

And they’ll be moving on to tax reform.

I wish them the same luck with that.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:22:51pm

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Myron Falwell  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:22:56pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

Paul Ryan needs to be laughed off of every single stage he’s on. He just made Bohenor look like Daniel Webster by comparison.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:23:07pm

re: #100 Blind Frog Belly White

Of course it makes no sense. But when your entire platform is about sound bites and “DNC bad”, this is the result.

On the other hand, he might actually believe that the Dems let him down, because he wanted health care for everyone and he probably has no fucking idea what was in the bill.

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TedStriker  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:23:35pm

re: #103 calochortus

True. So you don’t use crappy wine-you use decent wine, but not that $40/bottle Cab you have sitting around.

Well, yeah, you don’t use top-shelf booze to cook with, but you also shouldn’t use anything you’re not willing to drink on its own, that’s all I’m saying. When AB did the Good Eats on coq au vin, he used $10-12/bottle French Burgundy.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:23:42pm

ryan: gop not prepared to be a governing party

boggles my little mind

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Kragar  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:23:55pm
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freetoken  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:24:45pm

A good local column in SB:

Trump Making Social Darwinism Sexy Again

The usual suspects come out in the comments.

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Interesting Times  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:25:26pm

re: #114 Stanley Sea

Ryan’s talking FAST

Apropos of nothing:

Paul Ryan: whiny, nasal voice
Sean Spicer: whiny, nasal voice
Cheeto Benito: whiny, nasal voice

/I’m not saying it’s a pattern, but it’s a pattern

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EPR-radar  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:25:35pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

Paul Ryan says “we were doing the Democrats a favor with this bill. Now they won’t get that favor.”

That one lie is so massive it imperils the gravitational stability of the Virgo supercluster of galaxies the Milky Way is part of.

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Jack Burton  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:25:39pm

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calochortus  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:25:50pm

re: #119 TedStriker

Well, yeah, you don’t use top-shelf booze to cook with, but you also shouldn’t use anything you’re not willing to drink on its own, that’s all I’m saying. When AB did the Good Eats on coq au vin, he used $10-12/bottle French Burgundy.

Yeah, that’s fine, my problem is that if you don’t use the whole bottle then that’s what you’re going to be drinking, which may not be convenient thing to do at that point. If it’s in a box, it will keep. I don’t recommend buying the cheapest box on the shelf.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:25:52pm
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Decatur Deb  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:25:55pm

The House of Representatives is rigged.

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EPR-radar  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:25:58pm

re: #115 calochortus

Ryan now pointing out that they have to figure out how to govern now that they have a majority.

And they’ll be moving on to tax reform.

I wish them the same luck with that.

Republicans will not split on tax cuts.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:26:05pm

re: #90 ObserverArt

Will they?

No one wants to seem to admit that some of the pressure really was coming from Congress members hearing it from people in their home districts.

The cover is off this mess, and I think they have to be thinking they can’t kill it or let it die as they will be held responsible.

Another obvious fact no one in the GOP wants to admit. People do like the ACA now that it has been made clear Obamacare was really the ACA.

I think it is now protected by ordinary Americans. Any death of it will be seen as suspicious and it will have GOP DNA all over it identifying the killers.

Probably why Ryan said the other day something to the effect of: If we don’t do it now, it will never be done. They all know.

Obamacare approval has soard to 53% in a recent poll. 53%!

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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:26:06pm
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Birth Control Works  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:26:43pm
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freetoken  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:26:46pm

re: #131 lawhawk

Profound thoughts… is “the law” an epiphany?

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CBGB  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:27:35pm

OT here but…

Anyone know whats up with this Montgomery memo?

I mean, Larry Klayman and NewsMax, so the default assumption is it’s total bullshit. Also, supposedly he goes to Chuck Grassley (the, you know, Republican head of the Senate Intel Committee) with 600 million pages and 47 hard drives. And Grassley blows him off? Doesn’t even pass the smell test. What’s the deal?

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calochortus  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:27:40pm

re: #129 EPR-radar

Republicans will not split on tax cuts.

We can hope their constituents look at who is getting the cuts (hint: not them) and suggest they not shovel more money into the ultra wealthy people’s accounts.

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Kragar  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:27:40pm
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Birth Control Works  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:27:44pm

re: #127 Charles Johnson

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Does he think he is in China?

Obvious Propaganda doesn’t work here.

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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:28:28pm

re: #100 Blind Frog Belly White

Trump logic. GOP couldn’t get the votes, when they have a majority+, so they blame the party with fewer seats because none of the Democrats would sign on for this shitshow.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:29:28pm
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KingKenrod  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:29:37pm

Trump already screwed a bunch of people by intentionally depressing marketplace enrollment numbers for the year, and by letting the IRS accept returns with no mandate statement.

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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:29:39pm

re: #136 Kragar

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BigPapa  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:30:01pm

A friend on FB stole or made this after Roger Stone’s ‘They have slimed me’ story.

They Slimed Me
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Birth Control Works  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:30:25pm
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Kragar  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:30:36pm
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nines09  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:31:19pm

TRUMPCARE LANDS

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wrenchwench  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:32:20pm
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Stanley Sea  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:32:37pm

You are never safe in the yamsphere

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calochortus  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:32:45pm

BBL

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bratwurst  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:33:01pm
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Sir John Barron  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:33:06pm

re: #136 Kragar

All those BS Obamacare repeal bills we kept passing and bragging about but which we knew would be vetoed, that was all fun stuff, and now we don’t have anyone else to blame, but we will, the Dems are sabotaging us and the media hates us and the special interests and….

//

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Birth Control Works  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:33:26pm
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prairiefire  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:33:43pm

I haven”t said this for awhile!

Happy Friday LIZARDSSSSSSS! Yes!

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451_Montag  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:34:59pm

I love how this was defeated. The democrats did just one thing. They said no, stood back and left it all to the GOP. If nothing else it exposed the bug-nut-fuckery of the whole GOP Raison d’etra.

Makes me, if not appreciate Boehner at least understand him a bit better.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:35:03pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

LOL

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Dave In Austin  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:35:41pm

So does this mean that Republicans will re-enstate the insurance mandate that requires everyone to enroll, as well as re-instating any other thing they have done to throw a wrench in the works??

//not//

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:36:22pm

Local news

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Sir John Barron  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:36:28pm

re: #149 bratwurst

Chris Matthews having a sad?

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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:36:52pm

re: #136 Kragar

I have no problem with them being the opposition party again. It’s the only thing they’re good at.

When will they all resign their seats?

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prairiefire  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:37:20pm

re: #147 Stanley Sea

Very long knives!

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:37:20pm

re: #156 FormerDirtDart

That Trump person is imploding faster than ACA.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:37:43pm
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majii  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:37:57pm

re: #21 Dr. Matt

“Shep Smith just reported that he heard Trump is going to reach out to Democrats and try to convince them to come over in the future. HAHAHAHAHA. Please proceed.”

He’d better not let his base know he’s thinking of “reaching out” to Democrats in the future! They’ll go nuts because they’ve been groomed to believe that compromising with Democrats should never happen.

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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:37:58pm

re: #156 FormerDirtDart

That’s the kind of splash screen they used to reserve for a 747 crash into a local Christian school.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:38:43pm
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451_Montag  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:38:58pm

re: #161 Stanley Sea

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Only because he’s not that old

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:39:04pm

Watch red states that refused to join the ACA with Medicaid expansion suddenly do so. 6 months from now, Trump will be touting his healthcare replacement (which just got shot down today) as a yuge success.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:39:20pm

Okay, so, it’s been 9 weeks of the Trump Presidency. It’s been a busy 9 weeks. Lifetimes of news in just that time. But, looking back, I have to say, I don’t think there has been ANY week so far that you could conceivably call “successful”.

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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:39:47pm

Speaker Finger in the Wind says

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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:41:29pm

re: #155 Dave In Austin

So does this mean that Republicans will re-enstate the insurance mandate that requires everyone to enroll, as well as re-instating any other thing they have done to throw a wrench in the works??

//not//

Probably not. They will do whatever they can to make it financially unstable so they can later claim it collapsed, and the Democrats prevented them from acting. Always projecting.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:42:00pm

re: #122 freetoken

A good local column in SB:

Trump Making Social Darwinism Sexy Again

The usual suspects come out in the comments.

Why is it that people who are the first to reject Evolution just love them some Social Darwinism?

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EPR-radar  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:42:28pm

re: #167 Blind Frog Belly White

Okay, so, it’s been 9 weeks of the Trump Presidency. It’s been a busy 9 weeks. Lifetimes of news in just that time. But, looking back, I have to say, I don’t think there has been ANY week so far that you could conceivably call “successful”.

Nine week of dumpster fires, interrupted by occasional sewer main explosions and plagues of locusts. Even Fox News is having difficulty with calling any of that a ‘success’.

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EPR-radar  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:43:51pm

re: #170 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Why is it that people who are the first to reject Evolution just love them some Social Darwinism?

Social Darwinism is a convenient excuse to justify selfishness. Evolution relates to science and reality, both of which are often threats to that selfishness.

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BeachDem  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:44:06pm

re: #100 Blind Frog Belly White

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The Democrats let him down? How, by not signing on to destroy their own signature accomplishment? How the fuck does that even make sense?

Maggie’s quite the stenographer isn’t she?

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Mattand  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:44:39pm

Leave it to Paul Ryan to be visibly upset that 24 million people aren’t being kicked off of the healthcare system.

And I will totally admit to being wrong that the GOP would somehow pull this off.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:45:19pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:45:24pm
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Mattand  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:47:52pm

re: #153 451_Montag

I love how this was defeated. The democrats did just one thing. They said no, stood back and left it all to the GOP. If nothing else it exposed the bug-nut-fuckery of the whole GOP Raison d’etra.

Makes me, if not appreciate Boehner at least understand him a bit better.

It makes you wonder if we are finally seeing the long promised GOP Civil War.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:47:56pm
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gocart mozart  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:48:14pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:48:54pm

re: #162 majii

“Shep Smith just reported that he heard Trump is going to reach out to Democrats and try to convince them to come over in the future. HAHAHAHAHA. Please proceed.”

He’d better not let his base know he’s thinking of “reaching out” to Democrats in the future! They’ll go nuts because they’ve been groomed to believe that compromising with Democrats should never happen.

The crazy thing is, Trump CLEARLY didn’t give a flying crap about any detail, or even the overall result. He just wanted A BILL to pass. ANY bill. I mean, the man said he was going to deliver insurance for everyone, with cheaper premiums, and better coverage, and after touting a bill that failed the first two, to get that passed he gave up on ANY standards of coverage.

I’m thinking this whole episode will badly damage him. He put his stamp on a bill that would royally fuck over his voters, and then he couldn’t close the deal. He’s failed both to stand up for the WWC, and to be a strong leader who can get shit done.

Is it too early to talk about a failed Presidency?

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Amory Blaine  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:49:02pm

Conservatives are total scum. Billions of dollars, who knows how many man hours wasted. All the fucking lies, even as Ryan’s plan failed he lies about a “deathspiral” for Obamacare. When a conservative says the words “taxpayer” and “american people”, they don’t mean you, you Trumptards, they only mean rich business people. They don’t give a fuck if you live or die. GOP voters are the dumbest of all marks.

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:49:10pm

How many years now have we been told “Obamacare’s gonna implode/explode and destroy the country”? We were promised millions of job losses, but it didn’t happen. Told millions would lose their access to healthcare, but the numbers show the uninsured rate is down. Told that premiums would explode, but they’ve actually risen slower than without the ACA.

So Comrade Combover telling us that Obamacare is gonna “fail” and Dems will then be “ready to deal” is so much transparent bullshit. The reality is the GOP has no way forward here. Repeal is a dead concept and they cannot accept that.

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makeitstop  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:49:26pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

“A lot of people don’t realize how good our bill was “

All 83% of them.

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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:49:40pm

re: #171 EPR-radar

Nine week of dumpster fires, interrupted by occasional sewer main explosions and plagues of locusts. Even Fox News is having difficulty with calling any of that a ‘success’.

That’s only because Hannity’s show hasn’t been on yet. This was a YOOOOGE win for the president. Congress must do exactly what he says to do, to the letter, from now on if the want to be winners too.

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BeachDem  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:49:45pm

re: #136 Kragar

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Wait—Obama was in office for ten years? Who knew?

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Birth Control Works  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:50:58pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:51:04pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

If “Obamacare explodes”, a large part of the blame should go to GOP sabotage already enacted, such as no enforcement of the individual mandate.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:51:46pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:52:21pm

re: #180 Blind Frog Belly White

On the merits, Trump’s presidency* was a failure before day one. Sadly we live in an era where these merits are irrelevant.

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451_Montag  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:52:43pm

Fuck me , a sentient yeast infection could speak more intelligently than Trump. It would probably be more welcome in your boxers too.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:53:05pm

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:53:16pm
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Stanley Sea  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:55:56pm

My favorite David Gergen just called the Yam “Delusional”

lol

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:56:01pm

I’m old enough to remember when 2012 was going to be a “referendum” on Obamacare and Democrats who supported it would lose in droves because the American people hated it with a passion.

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electrotek  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:56:14pm
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piratedan  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:56:19pm

re: #192 goddamnedfrank

well, they ONLY had 7 years to try and come up with something better, think we’re being overly harsh here. Especially after all of that outreach they did while working with the Dems to get the ACA passed to begin with… right? right?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:56:48pm

re: #172 EPR-radar

Social Darwinism is a convenient excuse to justify selfishness. Evolution relates to science and reality, both of which are often threats to that selfishness.

Despite the fact that humans and other higher organisms have evolved to be social animals who learned to survive through cooperation

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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:58:19pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:58:26pm

re: #195 electrotek

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Shangri La Syndrome? Once you get YOUR rights, everyone else can just fuck off?

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Birth Control Works  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:58:44pm

help me out…

yam?

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Birth Control Works  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:59:25pm

re: #198 Skip Intro

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forget the sarc tag?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:59:34pm

So when does President Incogcheeto run off to his safe place in Florida to play golf?

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gocart mozart  Mar 24, 2017 • 1:59:58pm
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Myron Falwell  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:00:21pm

re: #180 Blind Frog Belly White

The crazy thing is, Trump CLEARLY didn’t give a flying crap about any detail, or even the overall result. He just wanted A BILL to pass. ANY bill. I mean, the man said he was going to deliver insurance for everyone, with cheaper premiums, and better coverage, and after touting a bill that failed the first two, to get that passed he gave up on ANY standards of coverage.

I’m thinking this whole episode will badly damage him. He put his stamp on a bill that would royally fuck over his voters, and then he couldn’t close the deal. He’s failed both to stand up for the WWC, and to be a strong leader who can get shit done.

Is it too early to talk about a failed Presidency?

It’s not too early to talk about a failed political party.

This was ALL that the GOP rank-and-file, Rush and Lumpy, Fox and Breitbart, and everyone else with an (R) attached to their name was blathering about… repealing the ACA under the false pretense of ONLY calling it Obamacare.

Now the mask is off; voters are connecting the dots between the ACA and Obamacare, and the law as-is has a majority approval. The GOP congresscritters are feasting on themselves because they couldn’t agree on how much (at least) 30M people were going to be screwed. And they chose as the face of their party a 70 year old failed businessman propped up with his father’s money and foreign entities (and with the intellect and maturity of a four year old) as the man to whom their Ayn Rand Deliverance would come.

The whole GOP is naked as jaybirds.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:00:27pm

re: #192 goddamnedfrank

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Another point is that Dems wrote the ACA the way they did hoping to snag 1 or 2 GOP votes. In the end, they didn’t, but if they’d started out not giving a shit whether any Republicans voted for it, they may have written a different bill.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:01:12pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

A) Whose fault is it that people don’t know just how spectacular the bill was?

B) 83% of the public are just that stupid, eh?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:01:26pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:02:24pm

the enormousness of it hasnt penetrated through to him yet

he and the entire republican party have no credibility now, none, zero, zilch

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:04:29pm

re: #42 PhillyPretzel

Is it too early to break out the good wine?

Never too early.,

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:04:37pm

When does Trump bomb North Korea? He needs a distraction.

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:04:38pm

re: #207 Blind Frog Belly White

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The “dealmaker” is now left saying he’s taking names of those who failed him and telling Democrats that they’ll be sorry for not taking this shit sandwich of a “deal.”

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:04:56pm
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Belafon  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:05:55pm

I kinda want Democrats to create a bill renaming Obamacare to Trumpcare. Then, Trump will have every incentive to make it work and improve it.

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ObserverArt  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:06:38pm

re: #98 calochortus

Ryan at his press conference “We just didn’t quite get consensus today.”

I liked: “We were an opposition party, and now we are a legislation party.”

Hey Paulie…thanks for admitting you were nothing but opposition.

I think the American people needed a bit more outta you all along.

And so you and Donny, even though you are still blaming Obamacare, are finding out you are gonna have to invite some Democrats in and get cooperation.

And you know it you bastards, the key is to work on tuning, tweaking and making sure everyone in all 50 states buy into whatever you want to call what you all agree to.

And then we can go on with our lives and hopefully have a real insurance plan.

And others can look back in history and see that Obama got it all rolling. Admit it, and do us all a favor.

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Jack Burton  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:06:48pm

re: #211 Targetpractice

The “dealmaker” is now left saying he’s taking names of those who failed him and telling Democrats that they’ll be sorry for not taking this shit sandwich of a “deal.”

“You just made the list pal. It’s a big beautiful list. It’s tremendous. It’s the best list ever.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:07:28pm

re: #215 Jack Burton

“You just made the list pal. It’s a big beautiful list. It’s tremendous. It’s the best list ever.”

Written in crayon I’m sure.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:07:47pm

re: #200 Birth Control Works

help me out…

yam?

From Charles Pierce - the Vulgar Talking Yam

esquire.com

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Birth Control Works  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:08:03pm

re: #207 Blind Frog Belly White

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It’s all about sex.

Remove any coverage or referral to anything to do with sex and the R’s would pass it in a day.

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makeitstop  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:08:32pm

I gotta say it was a good day.

Gonna pack a bowl, grab a guitar and just sit here and make some noise for a while. Maybe pop a beer, too.

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Jack Burton  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:08:35pm

re: #216 Eclectic Cyborg

Written in crayon I’m sure.

Or a sharpie. With the letters like 4-5 inches tall so he can read them… ish.

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Nyet  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:09:53pm

Yuuuge congrats to the American people. Every defeat of the sex-predator-in-chief is a big step for… I mean, is a win for the American people and, by proxy, for the world. I can drink my Friday beer in peace. 🍺 ✌😁

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Birth Control Works  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:09:55pm

re: #217 Stanley Sea

From Charles Pierce - the Vulgar Talking Yam

esquire.com

Thanks, but I still think it’s above my pay grade.

Or maybe I need a nap.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:10:21pm
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Birth Control Works  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:10:47pm

re: #215 Jack Burton

“You just made the list pal. It’s a big beautiful list. It’s tremendous. It’s the best list ever.”

Hey, am I on the list —I wannabe on the list.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:11:13pm

re: #213 Belafon

I kinda want Democrats to create a bill renaming Obamacare to Trumpcare. Then, Trump will have every incentive to make it work and improve it.

I know, why don’t we call it by it’s name.

ACA

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Kragar  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:11:49pm
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Jack Burton  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:12:19pm

re: #161 Stanley Sea

Speaker Ryan: “You shouldn’t hang me from a hook Donnie. Boehner hung me from a hook once…. ONCE.”

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ObserverArt  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:12:28pm

re: #123 Interesting Times

Apropos of nothing:

Paul Ryan: whiny, nasal voice
Sean Spicer: whiny, nasal voice
Cheeto Benito: whiny, nasal voice

/I’m not saying it’s a pattern, but it’s a pattern

But Hillary cackled…about her emails!

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wrenchwench  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:12:30pm

re: #219 makeitstop

I gotta say it was a good day.

Gonna pack a bowl, grab a guitar and just sit here and make some noise for a while. Maybe pop a beer, too.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:13:11pm

re: #219 makeitstop

I gotta say it was a good day.

Gonna pack a bowl, grab a guitar and just sit here and make some noise for a while. Maybe pop a beer, too.

No guitar for me.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:13:15pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

So, how exactly would Obamacare “imploding” be different than repealing it? They talk as if the first is bad and the second is good. But they seem similar to me. Although I don’t think it is “imploding”.

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Kragar  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:13:35pm
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Birth Control Works  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:13:38pm

bbl

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:13:47pm

re: #231 Sir John Barron

So, how exactly would Obamacare “imploding” be different than repealing it? They talk as if the first is bad and the second is good. But they seem similar to me. Although I don’t think it is “imploding”.

I think there will be a few lawsuits when they try to defund.

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:14:12pm

So I was right the other day, Ryan pulled a Boehner by yanking the bill before it could really get a vote. Now Republicans will campaign next year by saying that, since the bill never actually came to a vote, they can’t be held responsible for it.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:14:38pm

Trump is the closer minus the c.

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majii  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:14:42pm

re: #180 Blind Frog Belly White

“Is it too early to talk about a failed Presidency?”

I will say that those of us who were watching Trump’s campaign last year already had a strong suspicion that his tenure in the WH would be a failure more than a success. He did a great job selling BS to gullible voters, but he never discussed how he’d actually get a majority of the members of Congress to support his agenda.

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darthstar  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:14:58pm

re: #232 Kragar

I’m sure glad he was against repealing Obamacare. That’s pretty important to a lot of people and if Trump had been against it, he could have hurt a lot of people.
/

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451_Montag  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:15:08pm

re: #177 Mattand

It makes you wonder if we are finally seeing the long promised GOP Civil War.

That the biggie isn’t? People forget a civil war comes from the inside. Democratic attacks give the factions a common for. Everytime the Dems have the chance to let the factions argue they should just say “I’ll get my coat” step away and let the media spectate.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:15:14pm

re: #223 Charles Johnson

tax reform is going to be beautiful. a wonderful picture. bigly.

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Jack Burton  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:16:01pm

re: #228 ObserverArt

But Hillary cackled…about her emails!

and about getting a plea bargain for a rapist while giving a speech at Goldman Sachs and running a child sex slave ring under a pizza shop… or some… shit…

When will the adults in the room tell these fuckers go play with something shiny?

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Sir John Barron  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:16:53pm

re: #232 Kragar

he did talk about destroying ISIS. How’s that going?

/

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Jack Burton  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:17:20pm

re: #242 Sir John Barron

he did talk about destroying ISIS. How’s that going?

/

Pretty sure he’s past his 30 days on that one too.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:17:58pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:18:32pm

My prediction is that, in a year, Republicans will be out there again selling “repeal and replace,” only this time under the argument that the only way it can happen is if they get a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. Then they can write a “better” bill, one that will get support in Congress without “compromise.”

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gocart mozart  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:18:58pm
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Jenner7  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:20:09pm

Wow. What a great first round victory! Thank you to everyone who called their Reps to stop this awful bill.

Trump’s reaction is predictable. What a wiener.

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451_Montag  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:20:34pm

re: #242 Sir John Barron

he did talk about destroying ISIS. How’s that going?

/

He may have actually told the truth in this one. Wasn’t health care going to be the first thing he did, day one bigly, terrific? Don’t remember him mentioning 64 days

On a side not my auto spell changes bigly to bigot. Computers are clever these days

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gocart mozart  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:21:31pm
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Belafon  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:22:25pm

re: #225 Birth Control Works

I know, why don’t we call it by it’s name.

ACA

I agree, but Trump is all about his brand. Just put a big gold T in the name, and he’d claim it’s his.

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Kragar  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:24:31pm
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Jenner7  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:24:33pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:24:40pm

re: #248 451_Montag

He may have actually told the truth in this one. Wasn’t health care going to be the first thing he did, day one bigly, terrific? Don’t remember him mentioning 64 days

On a side not my auto spell changes bigly to bigot. Computers are clever these days

No, I’m sure he never said 64 days. It might have been 60 days, 1 day, 14 days, but he’s right, he never said 64 days.

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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:25:39pm

re: #252 Jenner7

I think his daughter is going to get a big spanking tonight for having abandoned him in his time of need.

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majii  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:26:40pm

re: #242 Sir John Barron

“he did talk about destroying ISIS. How’s that going? /”

The last article I read last week that was published by Steve Benen at MSNBC mentioned that Trump is generally following #44’s plan.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:26:46pm

I’mma leave this right here…

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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:28:14pm

Once again I’d like to reach out to all the Bernie/Jill bots with a big FUCK YOU, YOU ASSHOLES!

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MsJ  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:29:14pm

re: #205 Blind Frog Belly White

Another point is that Dems wrote the ACA the way they did hoping to snag 1 or 2 GOP votes. In the end, they didn’t, but if they’d started out not giving a shit whether any Republicans voted for it, they may have written a different bill.

Didn’t they get one? The guy from Louisiana?

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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:29:18pm

re: #256 Blind Frog Belly White

Does this clear it up?

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:30:18pm

I really wish they had been forced to vote on this bill. I really wanted to see them fail to pass their own legislation.

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ObserverArt  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:30:30pm

re: #157 Sir John Barron

Chris Matthews having a sad?

Chris is sad all the time.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:31:35pm

::: watching Great Performances Hamilton’s America :::

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makeitstop  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:31:41pm

re: #230 I Would Prefer Not To

No guitar for me.

I got a spare if you want. :)

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Kragar  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:31:53pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:32:00pm

I don’t know where he is, but I’m willing to bet that Obama is smiling. And Biden he’s probably high fiving everyone in site.

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:32:12pm

re: #259 Skip Intro

Does this clear it up?

[Embedded content]

So if I’m reading that right, Bill thinks Trump’s “They’ll be sorry for defying me!” strategy on Obamacare is brilliant strategy.

I say go with that. Just don’t forget that Dems will be taking note of every…single…effort made by this administration to deliberately kneecap the ACA.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:32:35pm
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Amory Blaine  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:34:05pm

Dems need to hold out on Gorsuch. Unless he changes his name to Garland, no deal.

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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:34:15pm

Nobody explains things better than Bill.

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majii  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:34:48pm

re: #258 MsJ

“Didn’t they get one? The guy from Louisiana?”

Iirc, in an early vote on the PPACA, an Asian-American GOPer voted for the bill. After doing so, GOPers began to wine and dine him, and he voted against the final bill. I’m trying to remember the guy’s name.

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Kragar  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:35:11pm
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Sir John Barron  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:36:13pm

re: #269 Skip Intro

Nobody explains things better than Bill.

So it was DT strategery to not pass a healthcare bill?

/

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:36:18pm

re: #269 Skip Intro

[Embedded content]

Nobody explains things better than Bill.

Ermagod, is he like that all the time? Is that a bot?

Have you ever been too cheap to buy a bag of grapes, so you eat one out of the bag to “test” them, right there in the store? Trump is like that.

#BillMitchellTweets

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gocart mozart  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:36:42pm
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wrenchwench  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:37:01pm

re: #251 Kragar

[Debacle.]

I used to think it rhymed with the name of my high school newspaper, the Oracle. I was going to do a parody…then I found out they don’t rhyme.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:37:07pm

re: #179 gocart mozart

YADI! (Getting excited for opening day.)

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Sir John Barron  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:37:08pm

re: #273 Pawn of the Oppressor

Ermagod, is he like that all the time? Is that a bot?

Have you ever been too cheap to buy a bag of grapes, so you eat one out of the bag to “test” them, right there in the store? Trump is like that.

#BillMitchellTweets

He was like that during the campaign. Trump winning was a boon to nuts like this.

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darthstar  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:37:11pm

I can’t wait to see what legislation they fail to pass next.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:37:18pm

re: #269 Skip Intro

[Embedded content]

Nobody explains things better than Bill.

“They have us right where we want them!”

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steve_davis  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:37:44pm

re: #62 thedopefishlives

I should have included the sarc tags, I see. Boxed wine is only good for cheaply and somewhat inefficiently getting oneself drunk.

re: #62 thedopefishlives

I should have included the sarc tags, I see. Boxed wine is only good for cheaply and somewhat inefficiently getting oneself drunk.

that isn’t remotely true. Bota Box, Big House, Black Box all make outstanding, thoroughly drinkable wines for what comes out to about 3 or 4 bucks a bottle. My last 12 dollar splurge on a bottle with a 92 rating was disappointing as hell by comparison.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:38:17pm

Here’s a special long-distance dedication going out to Bill Mitchell…

Napoleon XIV: ‘They’re coming to take me away’

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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:38:51pm

re: #273 Pawn of the Oppressor

Ermagod, is he like that all the time? Is that a bot?

Have you ever been too cheap to buy a bag of grapes, so you eat one out of the bag to “test” them, right there in the store? Trump is like that.

#BillMitchellTweets

Yes he is. No he isn’t. He’s a flesh and blood, breathing moron just like he appears to be.

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MsJ  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:38:56pm

re: #270 majii

“Didn’t they get one? The guy from Louisiana?”

Iirc, in an early vote on the PPACA, an Asian-American GOPer voted for the bill. After doing so, GOPers began to wine and dine him, and he voted against the final bill. I’m trying to remember the guy’s name.

Ah. Thanks.

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:39:36pm

re: #275 wrenchwench

I used to think it rhymed with the name of my high school newspaper, the Oracle. I was going to do a parody…then I found out they don’t rhyme.

Metrocity.

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:39:54pm

This is some seriously hilarious shit. Wingnuts are gonna come out of this thinking that Trump is some 11th-dimensional chess player because Democrats will be hurt by Obamacare’s “failure.” They really believe that, in a year’s time, cutting healthcare for 24 million Americans to give the rich a $1T tax cut will look “better” than the ACA.

We’ve tunneled into a whole new level of insanity here.

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Jenner7  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:40:07pm

This is a parody account, but oh soo good burn:

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Myron Falwell  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:40:45pm

re: #277 Sir John Barron

He was like that during the campaign. Trump winning was a boon to nuts like this.

Bill Mitchell hosts an online RWNJ claptrap talk show that no one listens to. He makes the SMOTI look lucid by comparison at times.

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makeitstop  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:41:01pm

re: #280 steve_davis

that isn’t remotely true. Bota Box, Big House, Black Box all make outstanding, thoroughly drinkable wines for what comes out to about 3 or 4 bucks a bottle. My last 12 dollar splurge on a bottle with a 92 rating was disappointing as hell by comparison.

My wife drinks the Black Box stuff, often leaving her Wine of the Month selection unopened.

It must be pretty good, my wife hates crappy wine.

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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:42:22pm

re: #279 Blind Frog Belly White

“They have us right where we want them!”

“And it woulda worked too but I always run out of money.”

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Amory Blaine  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:42:52pm

re: #282 Skip Intro

Yes he is. No he isn’t. He’s a flesh and blood, breathing moron just like he appears to be.

The living, breathing example of white privilege.

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TedStriker  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:43:39pm

re: #227 Jack Burton

Speaker Ryan: “You shouldn’t hang me from a hook Donnie. Boehner hung me from a hook once…. ONCE.”

“I’ve been fulfilling a lot of people’s prophecies about me; I’ve become a real scumbag.”

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ObserverArt  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:43:50pm

re: #219 makeitstop

I gotta say it was a good day.

Gonna pack a bowl, grab a guitar and just sit here and make some noise for a while. Maybe pop a beer, too.

Imma do that in an hour or so. Might even see if I can lay down some tracks to play drums to and start building some damn songs.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:43:56pm

re: #277 Sir John Barron

He was like that during the campaign. Trump winning was a boon to nuts like this.

If only he and Mike Huckabee were funny, they could team up and have hilarious road trips together

American Politics Today (if it was funny):

A Thousand Thanks

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:45:02pm

re: #289 Skip Intro

[Embedded content]

“And it woulda worked too but I always run out of money.”

Hey Bill, Vegas has a word for people who believe in such systems: “Welcome.”

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Stanley Sea  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:46:26pm
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nines09  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:47:13pm

re: #269 Skip Intro

Bill hit his head so hard at some time that a guy in the next building needed stitches. Very powerful prose.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:47:19pm

Trump is clinging to Ryan, maybe he knows any replacement would be even more whack. I think Ryan has to go.

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:48:08pm

re: #295 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

Of course he’s not that upset. He’s already got a scapegoat, and his sycophants are whispering in his ear that this was an inspired move on his part, because the peasants will love him all the more for it.

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Kragar  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:48:29pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:49:13pm

re: #295 Stanley Sea

What about the three million illegal votes, every single one of which went to Hillary? Isn’t he still mad about that?

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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:50:03pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:50:57pm

How is this bad news?
The Nazi “pastor” wasn’t in it.

Facebook Post

Obviously I don’t endorse arson, but I would rather wet my pants than cross the street to piss on the flames.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:51:55pm

Makeitstop - I missed this.

Good or bad way to go I wonder.

BOSTON DRUMMER SIB HASHIAN
COLLAPSES, DIES ON ROCK CRUISE SHIP

tmz.com

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:52:51pm

re: #295 Stanley Sea

“I didn’t want to play that game anyway.”

Still acting like a child.

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:53:47pm

re: #301 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

So Trump’s strategy was to bet political capital on this bill, going so far as to threaten members of his own party if they did not vote for it, just to watch it fail?

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TedStriker  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:54:50pm

re: #305 Targetpractice

So Trump’s strategy was to bet political capital on this bill, going so far as to threaten members of his own party if they did not vote for it, just to watch it fail?

Spicer in his next WH presser: “Trump meant to do that!”

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bratwurst  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:55:23pm

re: #303 Stanley Sea

Makeitstop - I missed this.

Good or bad way to go I wonder.

tmz.com

Died suddenly doing what he loved while sailing the Caribbean. If you gotta go, hard to top that.

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ObserverArt  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:56:20pm

re: #256 Blind Frog Belly White

I’mma leave this right here…

Bill Mitchell ✔ @mitchellvii
Those who understand strategy are sitting in awe of Trump the Master right now.
4:56 PM - 24 Mar 2017
415 415 Retweets 891 891 likes

Get a room Bill. Damn…

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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:56:25pm

re: #304 Belafon

[Embedded content]

“I didn’t want to play that game anyway.”

Still acting like a child.

“Is my truck still here? I really liked that truck. I want to go sit in my truck now.”

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Amory Blaine  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:58:39pm

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 24, 2017 • 2:59:23pm

re: #232 Kragar

He’s right. He said he would do it on day one.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:01:39pm

re: #289 Skip Intro

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Kragar  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:03:21pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:03:59pm

re: #295 Stanley Sea

The Trump honey badger doesn’t give a shit about health care in the US.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:05:16pm

re: #313 Kragar

What is it with Republicans and terrible taste in music?

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:06:16pm
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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:06:17pm

re: #305 Targetpractice

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:06:17pm

12/30 Freedom Caucus critters voted No. Honestly I thought it would have been a clean sweep, but that’s still pretty bad because 12/30 thought Trumpcare didn’t fuck over enough people.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:07:01pm

re: #313 Kragar

He’s exactly like Michael Bolton from Office Space.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:07:03pm

re: #174 Mattand

Leave it to Paul Ryan to be visibly upset that 24 million people aren’t being kicked off of the healthcare system.

And I will totally admit to being wrong that the GOP would somehow pull this off.

About 10 minutes before the announcement they were pulling the bill, I texted a friend that the R House opponents were going to cave in. I was wrong too. However the Dems need to do whatever is possible to pin any failing of ACA on the Republicans, who are working overtime to make sure that it cannot succeed. We can savor victory for a few hours but must resume attacking them until they are will to work with Dems to correct the flaws in the current law.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:07:36pm

re: #313 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Unfortunately, t’s a fake but a damn funny fake.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:08:08pm

The Scammers, the Scammed and America’s Fate

Many people are horrified, and rightly so, by what passes for leadership in today’s Washington. And it’s important to keep the horror of our political situation up front, to keep highlighting the lies, the cruelty, the bad judgment. We must never normalize the state we’re in.

At the same time, however, we should be asking ourselves how the people running our government came to wield such power. How, in particular, did a man whose fraudulence, lack of concern for those he claims to care about and lack of policy coherence should have been obvious to everyone nonetheless manage to win over so many gullible souls?

No, this isn’t a column about whatshisname, the guy on Twitter, who’s getting plenty of attention. It’s about Paul Ryan, the speaker of the House.

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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:09:50pm

re: #321 Ace Rothstein

Unfortunately, t’s a fake but a damn funny fake.

Mostly because it was Bulls on Parade by Rage Against the Machine.

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Elaine1  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:10:03pm

Huge sigh of relief! Just called my Dad and told him his Medicaid would stay in-tack. Group hug everyone.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:11:12pm

re: #204 Myron Falwell

It’s not too early to talk about a failed political party.

This was ALL that the GOP rank-and-file, Rush and Lumpy, Fox and Breitbart, and everyone else with an (R) attached to their name was blathering about… repealing the ACA under the false pretense of ONLY calling it Obamacare.

Now the mask is off; voters are connecting the dots between the ACA and Obamacare, and the law as-is has a majority approval. The GOP congresscritters are feasting on themselves because they couldn’t agree on how much (at least) 30M people were going to be screwed. And they chose as the face of their party a 70 year old failed businessman propped up with his father’s money and foreign entities (and with the intellect and maturity of a four year old) as the man to whom their Ayn Rand Deliverance would come.

The whole GOP is naked as jaybirds.

Too bad most of the voters who supported him are still incapable of rational analysis. They really believe Trump is a successful businessman and are still drinking the Kool-Aid.

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:12:06pm

Oh, and Bill? That whole “bet big once” strategy? That only works once. And only if you actually have the better hand the second time. If he has the better hand than you, then you’ve just lost two huge pots and are either gone or on the verge of being so.

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EPR-radar  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:13:17pm

re: #325 Hecuba’s daughter

Too bad most of the voters who supported him are still incapable of rational analysis. They really believe Trump is a successful businessman and are still drinking the Kool-Aid.

Another part of the problem is the media. Even now, most in the media are considering how best to both-sides the shit out of this purely Republican failure.

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Kragar  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:13:51pm
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DuckDharma  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:14:19pm

re: #313 Kragar

Fake

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TedStriker  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:16:10pm

re: #319 GlutenFreeJesus

He’s exactly like Michael Bolton from Office Space.

“Why should I change my name? He’s the one who sucks!”

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makeitstop  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:16:22pm

re: #303 Stanley Sea

Makeitstop - I missed this.

Good or bad way to go I wonder.

tmz.com

He died doing what he loved, I guess.

He’s the second musician to die on one of those cruises in the past few months, the first being bassist Jimmy Bain.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:16:48pm
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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:17:30pm
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TedStriker  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:20:21pm

re: #331 makeitstop

He died doing what he loved, I guess.

He’s the second musician to die on one of those cruises in the past few months, the first being bassist Jimmy Bain.

Well, it’s great that “classic” acts still have enough draw for cruises like this, let’s not forget that many of them are getting on in age…it sucks, but life (and death) happens anywhere.

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:20:54pm

This whole fiasco seems like a traditional Trump venture: He walks away with a smug grin on his face as his “partners” get left dealing with the crumbling wreckage. His reputation as a “dealmaker” is totally intact.

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darthstar  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:24:12pm

I love it when they eat their own spawn.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:24:16pm

re: #325 Hecuba’s daughter

Too bad most of the voters who supported him are still incapable of rational analysis. They really believe Trump is a successful businessman and are still drinking the Kool-Aid.

Dawn breaks in Freeperland:

(resp to “Trump handled this as well as can be expected.”)

“No, he didn’t. He made us a promise. I voted for him based on that promise. The GOP voted 50 times (!!!!!!) from 2010 to 2016 for complete repeal. Now, all of a sudden, there’s a problem? Lol. No, WE are the problem. We are dumb enough to believe anything these traitors say. If we can JUST get the House, the Senate and the White House! Yep. We’re that stupid.”

18 posted on 3/24/2017, 4:39:06 PM by dware (My votes will no longer come from the ballot box.)

Note the threat of violent insurrection implicit in the writer’s tag line.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:25:07pm

As others have said, the Republican party resembles Bond villains — their desire is to harm ordinary people; their only loyalty is to their organization. Anyone they elect to replace Ryan will probably have even less sympathy for working Americans or minorities. Is there a single Republican House member who actually has compassion?

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gocart mozart  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:25:47pm

re: #304 Belafon

Donald J. Trump’s Official Reponse To The Trumpcare NoVote.

Pee Wee Herman: “I meant to do that!”

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:26:34pm

re: #336 darthstar

I love it when they eat their own spawn.

[Embedded content]

Hey Paul, check with John of Orange, he can probably give you tips on how to get those tread marks off the back of your suit jacket.

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Major Tom  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:27:22pm

I haven’t felt this good since Rocky won the cold war!

Rocky IV - Drago Goes Down (1985)

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allegro  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:29:04pm

re: #338 Hecuba’s daughter

As others have said, the Republican party resembles Bond villains — their desire is to harm ordinary people; their only loyalty is to their organization. Anyone they elect to replace Ryan will probably have even less sympathy for working Americans or minorities. Is there a single Republican House member who actually has compassion?

I think there was but she just said she was joining the Democratic party. :)

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BeachDem  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:29:21pm

HuffPo main:

THWART OF THE DEAL

DEAD IN 17 DAYS… Trump Fails First Test In Presidential Negotiating… Blames Democrats For Defeat — But He Never Asked For Their Help… FINEMAN: ‘Could Not Have Been More Devastating’…

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:30:02pm

So what part of nuking your credibility with Congress comes off as a brilliant strategy? Between the threats yesterday and the shitting on Ryan today, Trump is pretty much setting up a situation where he is at odds with his own party. Tax “reform” is gonna be an even more laughable effort, because that bill will have to get past a filibuster and the GOP proved they can’t even put together a simple majority.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:31:02pm

Has Your Orangeness left for Florida yet?

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darthstar  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:31:16pm
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darthstar  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:31:55pm
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gocart mozart  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:33:09pm
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Joe Bacon  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:33:45pm
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Skandal  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:34:48pm
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BeachDem  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:36:51pm

Trump’s only hope:

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:38:12pm

re: #350 Skandal

Oh I see the smudge report. /

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Jack Burton  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:39:18pm

I’m wondering which will be more epic: Clownstick’s room-destroying temper tantrum that will rival any Tommy Wiseau moment, or Paul Ryan whipping out a lightsaber and trashing the place like Kylo Ren.

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stpaulbear  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:39:34pm

re: #32 FormerDirtDart

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That graph may be my favorite bit of news about Trumpcare failure. I’ve been seeing so many stories about how the market was tanking over uncertainty that the bill wasn’t going to pass, as if only the passage of the bill could save widespread financial ruin. It makes me smile to see the evidence that the markets were going down because everyone was afraid that the bill might actually pass, and the failure of the bill made everyone breath a huge sigh of relief and jump back in. Ha!

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Stanley Sea  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:42:29pm

re: #345 GlutenFreeJesus

Has Your Orangeness left for Florida yet?

He’s stuck at the WH this weekend.

I wish to hell I lived with one of the household staff. THE STORIES.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:43:59pm

My return after posting button is missing again.

I forget what I did last time to get it back.

I just reloaded & still not there.

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makeitstop  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:44:02pm

re: #334 TedStriker

Well, it’s great that “classic” acts still have enough draw for cruises like this, let’s not forget that many of them are getting on in age…it sucks, but life (and death) happens anywhere.

True.

An old roadie of mine from back in the 80s stage manages a criuse called ‘70,000 Tons of Metal,’ featuring all of the usual suspects. He keeps trying to get my wife and me to go on one, but we kinda hate the idea of cruises. But it is a nice gig for the musicians, and the people I know who have gone loved it.

But TBH, a solid week of metal would probably result in my jumping overboard.

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:44:34pm

So has there actually been an positive news for Trump this week? Hell, can anyone remember a positive news story for him more recent than the applause for his tepid speech three weeks ago?

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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:46:15pm

re: #358 Targetpractice

So has there actually been an positive news for Trump this week? Hell, can anyone remember a positive news story for him more recent than the applause for his tepid speech three weeks ago?

BREAKING: Donald J. Trump still President of the United States.

There ya go.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:46:20pm

re: #356 Stanley Sea

Missing? That stinks. Everything seems to be okay here.

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Jack Burton  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:46:29pm

re: #358 Targetpractice

So has there actually been an positive news for Trump this week? Hell, can anyone remember a positive news story for him more recent than the applause for his tepid speech three weeks ago?

Basically “good news” about Clownstick boils down to him not being as bad as expected and/or not breaking something.

Well, shit, I think it’s hard to be disappointed any more when your expectations are so low, they’re right next to fucking dinosaur bones.

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Jenner7  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:46:30pm

re: #358 Targetpractice

He’s not going to cost us money this weekend by staying at WH…

But I hear Melania and Barron are at Mar a lago, so….

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:46:31pm

re: #350 Skandal

OK, who knows anyone that can photoshop Donny’s head on this.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:47:41pm

re: #360 PhillyPretzel

Missing? That stinks. Everything seems to be okay here.

Ooh, it’s back.

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EPR-radar  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:47:44pm

re: #344 Targetpractice

So what part of nuking your credibility with Congress comes off as a brilliant strategy? Between the threats yesterday and the shitting on Ryan today, Trump is pretty much setting up a situation where he is at odds with his own party. Tax “reform” is gonna be an even more laughable effort, because that bill will have to get past a filibuster and the GOP proved they can’t even put together a simple majority.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Yertle the Turtle gets rid of the filibuster for legislation to get some stupid tax cuts through Congress.

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stpaulbear  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:50:08pm

I wonder if they’ll go back and re-interview that woman who was celebrating the insurance credit that she (or was it her son?) had just received because of Trumpcare. I wonder how confused she is this evening after hearing the news. I want to hear her ‘does not compute’ thoughts. She probably still thinks her credits came from Trump anyway - because he’s so incredible.

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:50:34pm

re: #365 EPR-radar

It wouldn’t surprise me if Yertle the Turtle gets rid of the filibuster for legislation to get some stupid tax cuts through Congress.

I suspect Yertle will be loathe to go even that far. Mostly because I suspect the dark specter of losing the Senate is looming larger and larger over him these days.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:53:59pm

re: #366 stpaulbear

I wonder if they’ll go back and re-interview that woman who was celebrating the insurance credit that she (or was it her son?) had just received because of Trumpcare. I wonder how confused she is this evening after hearing the news. I want to hear her ‘does not compute’ thoughts. She probably still thinks her credits came from Trump anyway - because he’s so incredible.

I’d be interested to know how legislation that hasn’t been enacted yet provided an insurance credit…

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Major Tom  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:55:06pm

re: #363 FormerDirtDart

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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:57:11pm

re: #369 Major Tom

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MsJ  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:57:27pm

re: #344 Targetpractice

So what part of nuking your credibility with Congress comes off as a brilliant strategy? Between the threats yesterday and the shitting on Ryan today, Trump is pretty much setting up a situation where he is at odds with his own party. Tax “reform” is gonna be an even more laughable effort, because that bill will have to get past a filibuster and the GOP proved they can’t even put together a simple majority.

I wouldn’t get to excited there, hoss. They’ll have 100% Republicans voting yes on that that bill. The GOP never met a tax break they didn’t love. And if it fucks something up, they’ll like it even more.

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petesh  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:57:37pm

re: #369 Major Tom

Great job, but the hands are too big

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Jay C  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:57:52pm

re: #367 Targetpractice

I suspect Yertle will be loathe to go even that far. Mostly because I suspect the dark specter of losing the Senate is looming larger and larger over him these days.

Like I said yesterday, the four words that most horrify Senate Republicans are: “Majority Leader Chuck Schumer”….

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Mattand  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:58:29pm

re: #349 Joe Bacon

Wasn’t Matthews one the rocket scientists proclaiming Trump to be “presidential” after the State of the Union address?

I have been fighting urge to troll him by responding with a Reagan insult. Apparently, his pants still get tight when ever somebody mentions Saint Ronny’s name.

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gocart mozart  Mar 24, 2017 • 3:59:29pm

re: #370 thedopefishlives

Ode to Sean Hannity
by John Cleese

Aping urbanity
Oozing with vanity
Plump as a manatee
Faking humanity
Journalistic calamity
Intellectual inanity
Fox Noise insanity
You’re a profanity
Hannity

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Myron Falwell  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:00:03pm

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:00:47pm

re: #376 Myron Falwell

At least it wasn’t REO Speedwagon.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:01:27pm

re: #376 Myron Falwell

I believe that’s fake. Funny…but fake.

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makeitstop  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:01:47pm

re: #363 FormerDirtDart

OK, who knows anyone that can photoshop Donny’s head on this.

Here ya go!

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Myron Falwell  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:06:21pm

re: #378 Eclectic Cyborg

I believe that’s fake. Funny…but fake.

For all we know he was probably playing some dippy bro country act Lumpy talked up one day.

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EPR-radar  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:06:21pm

re: #367 Targetpractice

I suspect Yertle will be loathe to go even that far. Mostly because I suspect the dark specter of losing the Senate is looming larger and larger over him these days.

Yertle is much happier when Democrats surrender without fighting. That’s why the Democrats should filibuster everything of substance the Republicans try to do.

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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:07:16pm

re: #355 Stanley Sea

He’s stuck at the WH this weekend.

I wish to hell I lived with one of the household staff. THE STORIES.

Doesn’t want to see his wife? Notice how that Trump weirdness just gets taken for granted now?

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MsJ  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:07:55pm

re: #367 Targetpractice

I suspect Yertle will be loathe to go even that far. Mostly because I suspect the dark specter of losing the Senate is looming larger and larger over him these days.

Republicans aren’t forward thinking. With gerrymandering, voter suppression and their other anti-American tidbits, I expect the filibuster to be gone very soon.

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makeitstop  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:08:29pm

re: #383 Skip Intro

Doesn’t want to see his wife? Notice how that Trump weirdness just gets taken for granted now?

Probably more like she doesn’t want to see him.

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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:09:12pm

re: #366 stpaulbear

I wonder if they’ll go back and re-interview that woman who was celebrating the insurance credit that she (or was it her son?) had just received because of Trumpcare. I wonder how confused she is this evening after hearing the news. I want to hear her ‘does not compute’ thoughts. She probably still thinks her credits came from Trump anyway - because he’s so incredible.

Trump just saved her Trumpcare from the evil Democrats. That’s how she’s going to see it.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:09:26pm

re: #385 makeitstop

Probably more like she doesn’t want to see him.

Well, to be fair, she probably never wants to see him, but he probably enforces his marital rights on occasion, when he can get her drunk enough.

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EPR-radar  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:09:53pm

re: #383 Skip Intro

Doesn’t want to see his wife? Notice how that Trump weirdness just gets taken for granted now?

Now that Trump is POTUS*, he’s probably on the hunt for wife #4. The Greatest Politician of All Time needs a suitable trophy wife.

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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:10:42pm

re: #385 makeitstop

Probably more like she doesn’t want to see him.

I’m sure it’s mutual. Anyway, his daughter is a lot younger and they’ve been together longer.

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:12:47pm

re: #384 MsJ

Republicans aren’t forward thinking. With gerrymandering, voter suppression and their other anti-American tidbits, I expect the filibuster to be gone very soon.

It should be noted that Yertle told the press a couple weeks back that he didn’t expect Congress to address tax “reform” before the August recess. In between then and now, Congress has to vote on Gorsuch, tackle the budget, vote on the debt ceiling, and who knows how many other politically uncomfortable votes. In light of the furor over this bill and the GOP’s efforts to ram it through, I think the Senate is going to tread cautiously.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:13:49pm

re: #383 Skip Intro

Doesn’t want to see his wife? Notice how that Trump weirdness just gets taken for granted now?

Noticed on the credenza behind his desk = photo of dad. Didn’t see one of Melania.

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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:13:53pm

re: #388 EPR-radar

Now that Trump is POTUS*, he’s probably on the hunt for wife #4. The Greatest Politician of All Time needs a suitable trophy wife.

Finally an advisor job Newt Gingrich is qualified for.

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Myron Falwell  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:15:16pm

re: #384 MsJ

Republicans aren’t forward thinking. With gerrymandering, voter suppression and their other anti-American tidbits, I expect the filibuster to be gone very soon.

I agree. They would be dumb enough to try a stunt like that, and like everything else, it’ll blow up in their faces.

If I were an elected Democrat, I’d call their bluff.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:15:47pm

re: #14 Kragar

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O-o. Remember what the Bible said to do to false prophets?

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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:15:50pm

re: #390 Targetpractice

The Senate hasn’t even had to take a tough position yet. Their moment is coming too.

The GOP has simply rubber stamped Trump’s picks so far. Oh wait. That didn’t go smoothly either. Puzder withdrew (and then lost his job). Devos needed Pence to cast the deciding vote. McConnell at least knew the math there.

And yet those are easy baby steps for the new admin and this Senate. They failed in the basics, so no worries about anything more difficult.

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makeitstop  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:16:21pm

re: #387 thedopefishlives

Well, to be fair, she probably never wants to see him, but he probably enforces his marital rights on occasion, when he can get her drunk enough.

Gonna need more vodka.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:16:53pm

re: #396 makeitstop

Gonna need more vodka.

I’ve heard the Trump family has Russian connections…

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MsJ  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:17:38pm

re: #390 Targetpractice

It should be noted that Yertle told the press a couple weeks back that he didn’t expect Congress to address tax “reform” before the August recess. In between then and now, Congress has to vote on Gorsuch, tackle the budget, vote on the debt ceiling, and who knows how many other politically uncomfortable votes. In light of the furor over this bill and the GOP’s efforts to ram it through, I think the Senate is going to tread cautiously.

I might take you up on that bet. 😎

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makeitstop  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:19:38pm

Heh.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:21:12pm

re: #399 makeitstop

Heh.

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I think that was my favorite one so far.

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wrenchwench  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:23:07pm
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allegro  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:23:38pm

re: #384 MsJ

Republicans aren’t forward thinking. With gerrymandering, voter suppression and their other anti-American tidbits, I expect the filibuster to be gone very soon.

I dunno. Without the filibuster the GOP will have to own every bill that goes through there and they won’t have the Dems to blame when either a bill doesn’t pass or does. It’s the only cover they have and as we’re seeing now they really really need that cover.

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EPR-radar  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:24:06pm

re: #400 thedopefishlives

I think that was my favorite one so far.

Another good one:

This is what happens when the Russians aren’t helping the Republicans.

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:24:56pm

re: #353 Jack Burton

I’m wondering which will be more epic: Clownstick’s room-destroying temper tantrum that will rival any Tommy Wiseau moment, or Paul Ryan whipping out a lightsaber and trashing the place like Kylo Ren.

I’m thinking Melania may not want to go with Trump to Mar A Lago this weekend.

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EPR-radar  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:26:04pm

re: #402 allegro

I dunno. Without the filibuster the GOP will have to own every bill that goes through there and they won’t have the Dems to blame when either a bill doesn’t pass or does. It’s the only cover they have and as we’re seeing now they really really need that cover.

On the other hand, the GOP really wants their “tax reform”, so it’s hard to predict how that will play out.

It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see an end to the estate tax and capital gains tax rammed through the Senate on a party line vote after nuking the filibuster.

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:26:28pm

re: #402 allegro

I dunno. Without the filibuster the GOP will have to own every bill that goes through there and they won’t have the Dems to blame when either a bill doesn’t pass or does. It’s the only cover they have and as we’re seeing now they really really need that cover.

Ayep, the GOP rank-and-file think that damning the torpedoes and going full-speed ahead is still a perfectly viable strategy, but the leadership sees how foolhardy that is because you generally don’t last long enough to make it into the leadership if you keep taking actions that piss off the voters. Ryan forgot that rule and now he’s paying dearly for it, which is going to serve as a lesson to Yertle that sticking your neck out only pays if you’ve got Democrats to shield you from the axe.

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:26:29pm
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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:29:48pm

re: #407 Shiplord Kirel

He reversed faster than he could welch on his payments to his campaign vendors.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:34:31pm

re: #269 Skip Intro

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Nobody explains things better than Bill.

I like day drinking as much as the next guy…

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Mike Lamb  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:37:29pm

re: #289 Skip Intro

He’s the Chris Christie.

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makeitstop  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:37:34pm

Another good one…

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EPR-radar  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:40:22pm

re: #412 makeitstop

I’m sure Trump’s ‘vroom’, ‘vroom’ noises in the big truck were especially helpful, and the Significance of the Tooting of the Horn is not to be missed..

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wrenchwench  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:41:49pm

Coincidentally, I secured a much sought-after appointment from a medical referral today. Yay!

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:47:44pm

But soon it will be back to the fight as Tom Price uses his muscle to make the ACA unworkable or hated before the next round. The correct response should be: we see that the vast majority of Americans want the ACA strengthened and so we will join hands with Democrats toward that goal. But have the GOP ever had the correct response?

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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:47:46pm

re: #413 EPR-radar

Premature tooting is covered under the ACA.

So too is mental health treatment.

Thanks Obama.

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Anymouse  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:50:30pm
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bratwurst  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:51:46pm
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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:52:22pm

re: #415 Barefoot Grin

Price will do everything possible to break Obamacare. The GOP has spent the past 7 years sabotaging Obamacare. That’s not ending now that Trump failed (along with Congressional Republicans).

Things to watch - he’s going to reduce the time to apply/reapply for coverage. Slow response and customer service. Do all the things within his administrative control to fuck up Obamacare.

The kicker is that Kansas’ legislature - yes Kansas - voted for a Medicaid expansion. They’ve lost $2 billion in federal assistance by their delay. That’s money that would have gone to help a state struggling with their budgets and other GOP math (Brownback’s tax plan has been an absolute disaster to the point that the state GOP has sought to repeal the Brownback plan).

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Anymouse  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:54:06pm

re: #81 TedStriker

I hope they spit in his face…metaphorically speaking.

He tries to grab the wrong Senator in the way he described in the Billy Bush tape, he might take his arm back sans hand.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:57:09pm

re: #417 Anymouse

“Despite a raucous crowd of spectators, police report there were no eyewitnesses to the event.”

Yes, I made that up, but I can imagine that’s about how it’d go.

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bratwurst  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:57:11pm

You’re fired!

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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:57:45pm

re: #422 bratwurst

You’re fired!

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Says the guy who was tooting his own horn in a semi truck, golfing, and de-stressing at Mar-a-Lago the whole time.

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gocart mozart  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:58:21pm
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Anymouse  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:59:31pm

re: #170 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Why is it that people who are the first to reject Evolution just love them some Social Darwinism?

Because the term Social Darwinism was coined by eugenicists to give cover for their pseudoscience.

Se also “pro-life”

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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2017 • 4:59:48pm

re: #422 bratwurst

The scary thing is that if Trump was half as competent as he always claimed he was, this would have been more likely to have gotten passed.

Trump surrounds himself with incompetents and extremists. Some of them are even family. But it’s never his fault when things go south.

Speaking of south, is he heading to Emoluments Violation Golf Club again?

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:00:08pm

re: #422 bratwurst

You’re fired!

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Hey Trump, who’s president?

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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:00:09pm

re: #422 bratwurst

You’re fired!

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What’s this? A member of the Blind Trust vacationing with the acting Secretary of State and his consort?

Isn’t that unethical?

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MsJ  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:00:39pm

re: #424 gocart mozart

Sounds like a plot on Grimm. The child will wind up in Portland soon. 😄

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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:02:53pm

re: #422 bratwurst

When will Trump start blaming the Deep State?

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Skandal  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:02:58pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:05:14pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:10:12pm

re: #432 teleskiguy

Trump says that every time he’s within 10 feet of the hole and demands a gimme

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Anymouse  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:11:00pm

re: #166 GlutenFreeJesus

Watch red states that refused to join the ACA with Medicaid expansion suddenly do so. 6 months from now, Trump will be touting his healthcare replacement (which just got shot down today) as a yuge success.

Kansas just voted to do so yesterday, with a wide enough margin in the state legislature they can override a veto from Gov. Sam Brownback.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:11:25pm

re: #417 Anymouse

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Stonekettle should find some common ground with him.

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EPR-radar  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:12:07pm

re: #432 teleskiguy

Trump probably hasn’t even tried to satisfy a woman in years. That’s what the really perverted electrical sex toys are for, and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if footage of this is what the Russians have on Trump.

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Kragar  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:15:28pm
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rhuarc  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:15:39pm

re: #435 Decatur Deb

Haha. Exactly!

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EPR-radar  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:16:39pm

re: #435 Decatur Deb

Stonekettle should find some common ground with him.

Wright’s use of ‘compromise’ in that essay is just wrong. It’s not a compromise to refrain from viewing your political opposition as uniquely evil inhuman monsters, or to seek to convert their less dedicated adherents to your cause when and how possible without first insisting on heavy penance. That’s just common sense for anyone in the political persuasion business.

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Anymouse  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:21:04pm

Joy Ann Reid and Jim Wright both hit what I’ve been asking for on other subjects …

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Major Tom  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:25:49pm
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Stanley Sea  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:26:57pm
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Stanley Sea  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:29:12pm

Caught the first Pete Souza shade, but this one beat it.

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allegro  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:29:29pm

re: #440 Anymouse

I’d say the fact that the @dccc isn’t running ads today in R House districts taking credit for saving people’s healthcare shows why Ds lose.

That’s a great idea. It’s been what 4 hours now? What are they waiting for?

Not in the PR/advertising biz but I think putting ads together and getting space/time doesn’t happen with a snap of the fingers.

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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:30:05pm

re: #443 Stanley Sea

Is that stone faced prick who I think it is?

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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:30:11pm

re: #443 Stanley Sea

Caught the first Pete Souza shade, but this one beat it.

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See, this is how real legislation gets passed. Not just ramming it down our throats like a pile of garbage (which the AHCA, obviously, was - but I digress).

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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:30:21pm

re: #445 Skip Intro

Is that stone faced prick who I think it is?

There’s no mistaking that ugly mug.

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TedStriker  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:30:59pm

re: #370 thedopefishlives

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Funny you used that for the caption, since we have a Lizard named Odie Hugh Manatee…

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Stanley Sea  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:31:04pm

re: #445 Skip Intro

Is that stone faced prick who I think it is?

I’m trying to figure that out with the caption…..??

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Stanley Sea  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:31:38pm

re: #446 thedopefishlives

See, this is how real legislation gets passed. Not just ramming it down our throats like a pile of garbage (which the AHCA, obviously, was - but I digress).

I can’t believe the yam used the shoved down our throats line today. wha?

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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:31:47pm

re: #445 Skip Intro

Is that stone faced prick who I think it is?

The one… the only…. Mike Pence.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:32:30pm

re: #448 TedStriker

Funny you used that for the caption, since we have a Lizard named Odie Hugh Manatee…

It’s also my first meme, so I’m glad that it got a warm reception.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:32:47pm

re: #451 lawhawk

The one… the only…. Mike Pence.

Nobody likes Pence. NOBODY.
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Stanley Sea  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:33:10pm

I’m figuring Pete S. used a photo from a governor’s meeting with the caption relating to today.

Burn

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retired cynic  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:33:53pm

re: #454 Stanley Sea

I thought he was in Congress then.

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darthstar  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:34:02pm
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Skandal  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:34:43pm
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retired cynic  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:34:58pm

re: #455 retired cynic

I thought he was in Congress then.

Yep, until 2013. Then was Governor.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:35:00pm

re: #456 darthstar

lol. He just reminded me of that picture.

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:35:21pm

re: #444 allegro

That’s a great idea. It’s been what 4 hours now? What are they waiting for?

Not in the PR/advertising biz but I think putting ads together and getting space/time doesn’t happen with a snap of the fingers.

IIRC, Democrats are running shoes ds in Republican districts Clinton win.

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Varek Raith  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:36:00pm

Much winning.
Such wow.

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TedStriker  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:36:15pm

re: #395 lawhawk

The Senate hasn’t even had to take a tough position yet. Their moment is coming too.

The GOP has simply rubber stamped Trump’s picks so far. Oh wait. That didn’t go smoothly either. Puzder withdrew (and then lost his job). Devos needed Pence to cast the deciding vote. McConnell at least knew the math there.

And yet those are easy baby steps for the new admin and this Senate. They failed in the basics, so no worries about anything more difficult.

For those who didn’t know that until now (like me):

CNN Money: Trump’s first pick for labor secretary is out as fast food CEO

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darthstar  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:36:40pm
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Anymouse  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:36:57pm

re: #273 Pawn of the Oppressor

Ermagod, is he like that all the time? Is that a bot?

Have you ever been too cheap to buy a bag of grapes, so you eat one out of the bag to “test” them, right there in the store? Trump is like that.

#BillMitchellTweets

Bill Mitchell saying Trump is a thief. That’s about right.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:38:11pm

re: #461 Varek Raith

Much winning.
Such wow.

Your orbital stupid ray seems to be yielding astounding results.

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EPR-radar  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:38:12pm

re: #451 lawhawk

The one… the only…. Mike Pence.

Not surprising that Pence was stone-faced after that meeting. As I recall, that meeting made it very clear that the Republicans had nothing on offer except mindless and total opposition to anything attempted by the Democrats on health care, and they made fools of themselves in the process.

Pence is notoriously stupider than a stump, and this was probably made painfully obvious at that time.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:38:35pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:41:24pm

re: #464 Anymouse

Bill Mitchell saying Trump is a thief. That’s about right.

Personally I open packages of cookies and test each one to find the one that’s really fresh. Then I leave because I don’t want any more cookies.

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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:43:41pm

re: #467 Charles Johnson

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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:43:44pm

re: #468 Skip Intro

Personally I open packages of cookies and test each one to find the one that’s really fresh. Then I leave because I don’t want any more cookies.

Only when they’re Girl Scout Thin Mints…. after I bought them. Have to taste test them.

Quality control.

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Skandal  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:45:12pm

re: #467 Charles Johnson

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Stanley Sea  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:45:45pm

re: #455 retired cynic

I thought he was in Congress then.

Ah, thank you.

BURN

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:46:13pm

re: #470 lawhawk

Darn. You just reminded me of the unopened box of those cookies in my fridge. :/

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lawhawk  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:47:42pm
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darthstar  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:48:38pm

Decided to see what the knuckle-draggers thought…

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Charles Johnson  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:49:02pm
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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:49:40pm

re: #475 darthstar

Decided to see what the knuckle-draggers thought…

[Embedded content]

When you’ve lost RedState…

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allegro  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:49:58pm

re: #470 lawhawk

Only when they’re Girl Scout Thin Mints…. after I bought them. Have to taste test them.

I taste tested 3 boxes. :D

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Anymouse  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:50:23pm
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darthstar  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:51:32pm

re: #477 thedopefishlives

When you’ve lost RedState…

I will say I am going to enjoy watching conservatives going after each other over this. Trump may just ‘move on’…but his base won’t.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:52:09pm

No one posted this yet? Burns all day

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:52:32pm

re: #471 Skandal

What Republicans have to watch out for is Trump undermining the ACA and then blaming them.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:53:07pm
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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:55:09pm

re: #483 Charles Johnson

The ACA had enough public support to actually pass. As opposed to Trumpcare’s utterly pathetic 17% approval rating.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:55:39pm

re: #483 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

All day hearing the BS excuses. Ya’ll called Obamacare a disaster. Well, put something forward that betters it.

They put forward the exact opposite. 17% approval.

It’s elementary.

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InTheWeeds  Mar 24, 2017 • 5:59:47pm

My favorite was from a Republican, before it was announced that they were throwing in the towel. Courtesy of Dana Rohrbacher:

“You don’t cut the balls off a bull and then expect that he can go out and get the job done. This will emasculate Trump and we can’t do that. … If we bring this down now, Trump will have lost all of his leverage to pass whatever bill it is, whether it’s the tax bill or whatever reforms that he wants.”

re: #481 Stanley Sea

re: #481 Stanley Sea

No one posted this yet? Burns all day

[Embedded content]

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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2017 • 6:00:22pm

re: #477 thedopefishlives

When you’ve lost RedState…

He hasn’t. It’s still the Dems fault for ramming that gawd-awful ACA down our throats.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 6:00:22pm

re: #485 Stanley Sea

All day hearing the BS excuses. Ya’ll called Obamacare a disaster. Well, put something forward that betters it.

They put forward the exact opposite. 17% approval.

It’s elementary.

I’m finally socially liberal enough to pull for full socialized health care. I doubt it will happen even within my generation, but come on. Life is at the top of the list of inalienable rights enumerated in the Declaration of Independence. Shouldn’t that mean that the government ought to guarantee that right?

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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 6:02:01pm

re: #487 Skip Intro

He hasn’t. It’s still the Dems fault for ramming that gawd-awful ACA down our throats.

I needn’t remind anyone here of the elaborate political maneuvers that accomplished the passage of the ACA. The AHCA, by contrast, was quite literally rammed down our throats. Or at least, they tried, until we voiced our extreme displeasure and informed the powers-that-be that we would abandon them where they sit if they voted for this abomination.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 24, 2017 • 6:02:55pm

Only 15 retweets.

That paycheck must be good Ms. McIdiot (ht Beach Dem)

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thedopefishlives  Mar 24, 2017 • 6:04:45pm

re: #490 Stanley Sea

What the actual fuck is this. We win by losing?

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retired cynic  Mar 24, 2017 • 6:09:42pm

re: #491 thedopefishlives

What the actual fuck is this. We win by losing?

I wish somebody would just chop off those thumbs. I’m tired of seeing them. It’s meaningless at best, and offensive otherwise.

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Anymouse  Mar 24, 2017 • 6:11:43pm

re: #374 Mattand

Wasn’t Matthews one the rocket scientists proclaiming Trump to be “presidential” after the State of the Union address?

I have been fighting urge to troll him by responding with a Reagan insult. Apparently, his pants still get tight when ever somebody mentions Saint Ronny’s name.

How about this one:

Government’s first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.

Remarks at the National Conference of the Building and Construction Trades Department, AFL-CIO (30 March 1981) (via Wikiquote)

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Anymouse  Mar 24, 2017 • 6:15:36pm

re: #470 lawhawk

Only when they’re Girl Scout Thin Mints…. after I bought them. Have to taste test them.

Quality control.

We can’t get Girl Scout cookies here.

4-H sells locally-made stuff like cookies and pies though.

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gocart mozart  Mar 24, 2017 • 6:22:27pm
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Amory Blaine  Mar 24, 2017 • 6:24:36pm

re: #483 Charles Johnson

Mmm. Hot take!

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BeachDem  Mar 24, 2017 • 6:47:39pm

re: #491 thedopefishlives

What the actual fuck is this. We win by losing?

Forget it, Jake—it’s Kayleigh. She truly is an idiot.

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weave  Mar 24, 2017 • 7:00:49pm

re: #456 darthstar

[Embedded content]

Wait? WTF? This is a real not-photoshopped pic?

/outoftheloop

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John Hughes  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:08:12am

re: #151 Birth Control Works

The CBO points out that there is really only one entity in the United States that fits the criteria for this part of the law, and that is Planned Parenthood

So, what part of Article 1, section 9 do they not get?

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EmmaAnne  Mar 25, 2017 • 8:45:51am

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