Bannon Ordered the House Freedom Caucus Loons to Vote for Trumpcare. It Didn’t Go Over Well.

“This is not a discussion. This is not a debate. You have no choice.”
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The self-touted “master of the deal” Donald Trump sent his racist right hand man Stephen Bannon to talk to the House Freedom Caucus this week about Trumpcare. The Republican Congressgeezers were unhappy with the bill because it wasn’t draconian and inhuman enough for them, so Bannon’s mission was to persuade them to vote yes anyway, and trust Trump to make it even more awful after it was signed into law.

And in what we’ve now learned to recognize as the classic Trump gang approach, Bannon told the hardliners (according to Axios):

“Guys, look. This is not a discussion. This is not a debate. You have no choice but to vote for this bill.”

Needless to say, Bannon’s imperious order didn’t go over very well with this gaggle of recalcitrant ideologues, and one of them reportedly replied:

“You know, the last time someone ordered me to something, I was 18 years old. And it was my daddy. And I didn’t listen to him, either.”

Now that’s some super-competent deal-closing, wouldn’t you say? But before we celebrate the demise of this horrific pseudo-health care bill too much, please note:

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Jay C  Mar 25, 2017 • 11:56:38am
“Guys, look. This is not a discussion. This is not a debate. You have no choice but to vote for this bill.”

Well, look on the positive side: at least Bannon’s exhortation to the Freedom Caucus on President Trump’s behalf was able to elicit a strong and unanimous response from the Congressmen!

That said response was “Go F*ck Yourself!” is almost beside the point…

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jaunte  Mar 25, 2017 • 11:58:16am

As usual there are some people convinced this was brilliant judo move by Bannon to force the Freedom Caucus to kill the bill.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 25, 2017 • 11:58:59am

re: #1 gocart mozart

Damn, it’s an episode of STUPID TREK!

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jaunte  Mar 25, 2017 • 11:59:17am

Because it’s great for a new president to come out of the blocks with a spectacular legislative loss.

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Belafon  Mar 25, 2017 • 11:59:37am

I suspect part of his vindictiveness will be to try to yell louder at them. All Caps Trump won’t have that much affect on them either.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:01:00pm

Chalk up another one for President Ban’em!

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BigPapa  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:02:09pm

re: #7 Joe Bacon

That’s worth an upding.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:03:52pm

re: #8 BigPapa

That’s worth an upding.

It’s just amazing to see Trump fuck up every time! It’s like watching Let’s Make A Deal reruns on BUZZER where people trade away nice prizes for a Zonk from Monty Hall!

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Charles Johnson  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:04:26pm
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Dr Lizardo  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:04:43pm

re: #9 Joe Bacon

It’s just amazing to see Trump fuck up every time! It’s like watching Let’s Make A Deal reruns on BUZZER where people trade away nice prizes for a Zonk from Monty Hall!

It’s like watching The Gong Show.

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Jay C  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:07:29pm

From last thread, re “pizzagate”:

re: #501 jaunte

It’s too bad a bunch of loons are clouding the real issue of human trafficking, even in their tiny, loony way.

It would be nice, IMO, if we thought that the issue of “human trafficking” was anywhere near the core of this “pizzagate” nonsense: so far, it seems like the accusations of child sex/porn/trafficking is just a sensationalist facade for CT-sodden loonytunes to vent their unhinged hatemongering on their usual favorite targets: Liberals, Democrats, Zionists/Jews, Hillary Clinton, all those Sinister Secret Societies they see depicted on television, etc. etc. It might be pedophilia, it might be Global Financial Domination; it seems to be all the same to these nuts… All tens of them.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:08:35pm

re: #12 Dr Lizardo

It’s like watching The Gong Show.

With Ban’em as Gene Gene The Dancing Machine,
Sean Spicer as The Unknown Comic,
Reince Priebus as Milton De Lugg,
and Kellyanne Conway as Jaye P. Morgan…

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MsJ  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:10:00pm

My favorite part was the FC got guy who wanted to support Trump. But at their last meeting, Trump called him out and the FC guy didn’t like it. One more No vote.

Not to mention when Trump finally did talk to them it was all bullshit, he had not one iota of understanding of policy and it didn’t go down well.

Keep up the good work you orange idiot.

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ObserverArt  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:10:16pm

What does this loss do to Bannon’s great initiative to tear the government down?

Seems to me he has some paper tiger issues. And, not just within his own party that he was counting on to help him deconstruct.

This will steel the Democrats too. Now they have a bit more feel for the new players and how well they can motivate.

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BlueGrl21  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:11:12pm

As I told my husband last night, “Never underestimate the enormous egos of Freedom Caucus members in safe districts.”

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MsJ  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:13:53pm

re: #16 ObserverArt

What does this loss do to Bannon’s great initiative to tear the government down?

Seems to me he has some paper tiger issues. And, not just within his own party that he was counting on to help him deconstruct.

This will steel the Democrats too. Now they have a bit more feel for the new players and how well they can motivate.

Oh they’re hardly done. They’ll keep this up for years.

Good help us if Pence does become POTUS. He’s an idiot but a politically astute one.

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jeffreyw  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:15:57pm

re: #12 Dr Lizardo

It’s like watching The Gong Show.

I remember reading that some of the entrants on that show were paid actors. I was somewhat relieved to learn that people really were not that dumb. Alas, today they wouldn’t have to pay anyone.

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stpaulbear  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:16:14pm

re: #16 ObserverArt

What does this loss do to Bannon’s great initiative to tear the government down?

He’s starting with the Trump presidency!

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TedStriker  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:17:26pm

re: #9 Joe Bacon

It’s just amazing to see Trump fuck up every time! It’s like watching Let’s Make A Deal reruns on BUZZER where people trade away nice prizes for a Zonk from Monty Hall!

Or President Bannon & Co. losing at Wheel of Fish:

Nothing! Absolutely nothing!

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jeffreyw  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:17:53pm

re: #13 Jay C

From last thread, re “pizzagate”:

It would be nice, IMO, if we thought that the issue of “human trafficking” was anywhere near the core of this “pizzagate” nonsense: so far, it seems like the accusations of child sex/porn/trafficking is just a sensationalist facade for CT-sodden loonytunes to vent their unhinged hatemongering on their usual favorite targets: Liberals, Democrats, Zionists/Jews, Hillary Clinton, all those Sinister Secret Societies they see depicted on television, etc. etc. It might be pedophilia, it might be Global Financial Domination; it seems to be all the same to these nuts… All tens of them.

I think it all started when someone saw pineapple on the toppings menu and swore “this will not stand”.

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Jay C  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:17:55pm

re: #17 BlueGrl21

As I told my husband last night, “Never underestimate the enormous egos of Freedom Caucus members in safe districts.”

Or their fear level at even the slightest hint that those districts might become even marginally less “safe”….

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BlueGrl21  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:21:43pm

I had one of the supporters of the Freedom Caucus on Facebook with me. She and I had always been able to have respectful conversations. But last night, she went full into, “NOTHING EXCEPT FULL REPEAL is acceptable!!! We will never bend to the will of the welfare state!”

Yeah, no. I am fresh out of crazy people patience. Trying to cut back. Let’s just go our separate ways and call it a wrap.

We aren’t the only ones celebrating the death of this bill.

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thecommodore  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:21:59pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:24:37pm

re: #18 MsJ

Oh they’re hardly done. They’ll keep this up for years.

Good help us if Pence does become POTUS. He’s an idiot but a politically astute one.

I agree it is not over. But having your big bad Bannon machine blow a gasket and leak oil on its first roll out tells the other side you may not be as scary as some may have originally thought.

It’s just clarified the fight a little more.

Democrats can keep resisting, protesting and blocking and it seems to expose the fact the Republicans really do not know what the hell they are doing, aren’t as unified as thought, Trump is out to lunch and just cares about his numbers and Bannon might not have any real power.

Game is changed. Game is not over.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:25:22pm

Went to an event for Perriello last night. Got to thank him for voting for ACA and I let him know how much that means to me since ACA stopped the insurers from using pre-existing conditions. I have a heart condition so that really meant a lot to me when Obama made that a big part of the bill.

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petesh  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:28:59pm

Also, pressure pressure pressure. Even Republicans were noting that the mail ran damn close to 99–1 against this mess of a bill. If they really are going to move onto screw-you tax cuts for the very rich, well, there should be plenty of opposition talking points. Keep agitating, publicly and privately.

(Ideally, get Pence out first, like Agnew, but I doubt that will happen.)

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:29:55pm

re: #13 Jay C

“Human trafficking” has become a concern for religious wingnuts precisely because it syncs with their understanding of everyone else in the world being depraved, morally and sexually, and with their preferred conspiracy theories.

This means overlooking the more prosaic forms of trafficking: cheap manufacturing and domestic labor, but *also* overlooks the “normal” sex trafficking in favor of stories that out of the “Turkish white slavery” trope factory.

The other thing very much present in Pizzagate is the 80s-90s Satanic Panic: if you follow “evangelical” materials, it never ended, just slightly altered form. The “story” being advanced is very similar to the claims about the McMartins (complete with the nonexistent basement).

As Fred Clark observes, these are people who are deeply excited and enriched by their belief that everyone not like them are monsters. They’re embodying C S Lewis’s observation that some people crave a blackness darker than black, so that they can feel more moral (without actually scrutinizing their own conduct).

The long term convergence of secular CT and religious CT is the product of that shared morbid wish-fulfillment: to be good and special without striving or changing.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:32:23pm

Re Trump and his vindictiveness, wouldn’t not touching Obamacare be a better fuck you to the House Oxymoron Caucus? Trump can publicly blame Dems, but behind the scenes, they know the real score.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:36:47pm

re: #30 Mike Lamb

My money is on “deliberately fuck up the ACA because Obama made fun of me; also shit on the Freedom Caucus by not acceding to their wishes and pushing for them to be primaried.”

Basically, all the buttons are for retaliation.

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TedStriker  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:38:58pm

re: #24 BlueGrl21

I had one of the supporters of the Freedom Caucus on Facebook with me. She and I had always been able to have respectful conversations. But last night, she went full into, “NOTHING EXCEPT FULL REPEAL is acceptable!!! We will never bend to the will of the welfare state!”

Yeah, no. I am fresh out of crazy people patience. Trying to cut back. Let’s just go our separate ways and call it a wrap.

We aren’t the only ones celebrating the death of this bill.

That’s when you just tell the crazies:

“Well……………….Bye.”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:40:58pm

re: #31 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

My money is on “deliberately fuck up the ACA because Obama made fun of me; also shit on the Freedom Caucus by not acceding to their wishes and pushing for them to be primaried.”

Basically, all the buttons are for retaliation.

Yep, that sounds like him.

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TedStriker  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:42:47pm

re: #31 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

My money is on “deliberately fuck up the ACA because Obama made fun of me; also shit on the Freedom Caucus by not acceding to their wishes and pushing for them to be primaried.”

Basically, all the buttons are for retaliation.

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Yep, that sounds like him.

A four-year-long toddler’s temper tantrum.

God help us…

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:43:22pm

re: #29 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

The “Satanic Panic” never really went away, at least among the evangelical crowd; it’s just not as prominent as it was during the initial wave. It’s mutated into different forms now. If a person reads the RWNJ sites, you’ll see it from time to time. There’s still tons of people who swear six ways from Sunday that the Franklin Scandal was the real deal, even though it’s been long debunked.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:43:38pm

re: #28 petesh

(Ideally, get Pence out first, like Agnew, but I doubt that will happen.)

You’re probably right about that — but I was young and in my first job then and did not have a clue about Agnew until practically the end. I wonder how many outsiders were aware of the criminal investigation into his dealings until late in the game. So anything is possible.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:47:03pm

I do have to say last night really did show me again why I am glad to be a liberal more than a conservative. There were people there of all ages and cultural backgrounds. Immigrants who talked about how much this country means to them. I’ve said it before but immigrants have an appreciation for this country that I don’t see from natives. It’s something I’ve seen in my brother’s in laws and wife, my boss, and many of the other immigrants I’ve known over the years. That’s not to say that natives like me don’t appreciate our country but immigrants have a kind of appreciation for our country that I never see in natives.

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BlueGrl21  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:47:03pm

re: #34 TedStriker

A four-year-long toddler’s temper tantrum.

God help us…

He sucks at it. Doesn’t have it in him to slowly and patiently stick in the shiv…like our blessed intelligence agencies are doing. He has to do everything publicly for the attention and he exposes the game. Then it gets blown up by people far smarter than him.

I figure I have to get SOME enjoyment out of his tenure. Watching him blow his cover every time is how I do it.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:48:34pm

OT: Today I got a new organizer. So of course I start reorganizing my home office. While I am doing this my TV suddenly goes out. I unplug it and replug it. It is not working. I check the power strip it is fine (it is a Tripplite). So I head to Consumer Reports and look up smaller TV’s (under 30”). I compare it with what amazon has and ordered Samsung 28” that should be arriving on Wednesday. Hopefully I can get the day off and wait for it.

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gocart mozart  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:50:46pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:56:11pm

re: #16 ObserverArt

Bannon’s heedlessness will be his undoing. He’s unfocused and reckless, and not paying attention to details-that’s a sure-fire recipe for disaster.

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stpaulbear  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:57:15pm

re: #26 ObserverArt

I agree it is not over. But having your big bad Bannon machine blow a gasket and leak oil on its first roll out tells the other side you may not be as scary as some may have originally thought.

I wonder if HFC members will start showing up in Wilileaks dumps.
//

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:57:50pm

re: #42 stpaulbear

I wonder if HFC members will start showing up in Wilileaks dumps.
//

I actually wouldn’t be surprised, sad to say.

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Major Tom  Mar 25, 2017 • 12:59:54pm

re: #40 gocart mozart

Trump with a neck really distracts me.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:00:10pm

re: #4 Joe Bacon

Damn, it’s an episode of STUPID TREK!

To Boldy Go Where No Moron Has Gone Before!

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thedopefishlives  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:00:39pm

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

To Boldy Go Where No Moron Has Gone Before!

Starring Jim Hoft as Captain James T. Derp!

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gocart mozart  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:00:40pm
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Major Tom  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:01:29pm

Thoughts?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:01:37pm

OMFG….

Bloomberg: How Scott Adams Got Hypnotized by Trump
Come to his Dilbert-shaped home. Bite into a Dilberito. Be persuaded on genocide, mental orgasms, and his fellow Master Wizard, the president of the United States.

When Adams began writing about Trump, it surprised his friends and colleagues, who’d always considered him to be liberal on social issues. “When he told me about Trump, I was so disappointed, because I respect the guy so much,” says Stephan Pastis, the creator of Pearls Before Swine, who credits Adams with discovering his strip and making it popular. “I definitely get asked by other syndicated cartoonists—and the questions are not good—‘What’s happening to him? Why’s he supporting Trump?’ ” One explanation, Pastis says, is that Adams simply craves attention. “Cartoonists are addicted to reaction. I don’t know whether Scott would admit that, but I know it’s true.”

While Adams eventually endorsed Trump, he told me he didn’t vote because he feels he doesn’t know enough about international affairs, economics, or science. Still, he views his blog as an act of service. “I’m at a point where I’m trying to be more useful than selfish,” he said. “I decided to gamble with my own income and my own reputation to let people see Trump through a different framework, if not a more accurate frame.” One consequence, Adams said, is that his paid speaking requests have dried up. “In 20 years, there’s never been a week I didn’t get a speaking request—and now it’s been months,” he said.

I’d thought the point of those strips was to laugh at Dogbert’s cruelty—not celebrate it. But Adams seemed elated by the triumph of a Dogbertesque president. “I’m probably feeling more optimistic for the country than I ever have,” he said by phone, when we spoke on the eve of Trump’s inauguration, amid reports of Russian meddling in the election and a chaotic transition. “I know that’s surprising, but the stock market is up, consumer sentiment is up. … It’s an impressive new management style that, as far as I can tell, is working.”

In a February post, Adams admitted that Trump’s first month might look to some like “incompetence” or “chaos,” but he noted that others would say the president was simply “draining the swamp and learning on the job.” Much of the world was feeling less sanguine. Less than 100 days into his administration, one view of Trump is that he’s the ultimate, dystopian version of a Dilbert joke gone horribly wrong: an unqualified, bigoted, greedy, dangerous, and blustering boss promoted to the world’s most powerful job. But Adams would say such people are just living in a different reality—a different “movie,” as he put it, the last time we spoke.

He later expanded on the analogy in a blog post. “I feel sorry for the people watching the other movie—the one in which President Trump is essentially Hitler,” Adams wrote. “In my movie, he’s having a bumpy transition ride but generally doing the people’s work. My movie is more of a comedy.” The cartoonist, at least, was having a laugh.

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freetoken  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:01:57pm

Dude’s already red and the water isn’t even boiling:

The ROV is on a seamount today, no where near as deep as yesterday. They are in the PIPA, a very large ocean park that Kiribati has set aside.

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Jay C  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:02:34pm

re: #35 Dr Lizardo

The “Satanic Panic” never really went away, at least among the evangelical crowd; it’s just not as prominent as it was during the initial wave. It’s mutated into different forms now. If a person reads the RWNJ sites, you’ll see it from time to time. There’s still tons of people who swear six ways from Sunday that the Franklin Scandal was the real deal, even though it’s been long debunked.

When the old McMartin Preschool building was demolished a few years back, weren’t there some nutjobs who sneaked onto the demo site to search for “evidence” of the “secret basement” they just KNEW was there? They found zilch, of course: the meanie in me thinks being clouted by falling debris might have been a better outcome….

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HappyWarrior  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:02:50pm

re: #49 Eric The Fruit Bat

OMFG….

Bloomberg: How Scott Adams Got Hypnotized by Trump
Come to his Dilbert-shaped home. Bite into a Dilberito. Be persuaded on genocide, mental orgasms, and his fellow Master Wizard, the president of the United States.

He’s a bigoted idiot.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:06:41pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Adams is your classic “does one thing okay, begins to suspect he’s smart about everything*” case.

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TedStriker  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:09:19pm

re: #48 Major Tom

Thoughts?

If true, that would be fucking delicious.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:09:45pm

re: #48 Major Tom

If…..and that’s a mighty big “if”…….Flynn turned state’s evidence, oh just damn.

Could well explain Nunes’ behavior; he got wind of it and ran off to tell Trump and the White House. Tell them that an F5 shitnado is headed their way.

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freetoken  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:15:26pm

Another one of those giant purple sea cucumbers, this one is spotted:

Yes, I know, some places in the world this would be a delicacy… but I’ll skip it.

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Nyet  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:18:06pm

re: #48 Major Tom

Thoughts?

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If true, we’ll just know sooner or later.

As a side note: Abramson doesn’t have much credibility, so I personally don’t find reading his threads useful, but other people’s mileage may vary.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:18:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:20:01pm
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makeitstop  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:20:18pm

re: #41 Eric The Fruit Bat

Bannon’s heedlessness will be his undoing. He’s unfocused and reckless, and not paying attention to details-that’s a sure-fire recipe for disaster.

I think just like how Trump thinks he can run the presidency like he does TrumpCo, Bannon probably thinks he can run things like he runs Breitbart - in both cases, what they say is law. Their way or the highway.

Neither one realizes that they’re dealing with a bunch of guys who look at themselves and not just Congressmen, but Congressmen - they’re all big wheels in their own little circles, and there are plenty of egos in that bunch that are at least the equal of Trump’s and Bannon’s.

And then you’ve got the senior members who probably look at Trump as a necessary evil, kinda like the boss’s kid you have to be nice to. Lots of smiles to their faces and grumbling about what total assholes they are behind their backs.

And Trump can’t fire them. They’re stuck with each other at this point, and I’ll wager that neither side likes it very much.

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ObserverArt  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:21:14pm

re: #42 stpaulbear

I wonder if HFC members will start showing up in Wilileaks dumps.
//

Yeah, that would do some deconstruction. A further hit and split for Ryan to have to deal with in his own party.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:21:39pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:23:25pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

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freetoken  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:23:36pm

Great view of the ROV - it’s working itself up the face of cliff:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:24:13pm

re: #51 Jay C

When the old McMartin Preschool building was demolished a few years back, weren’t there some nutjobs who sneaked onto the demo site to search for “evidence” of the “secret basement” they just KNEW was there? They found zilch, of course: the meanie in me thinks being clouted by falling debris might have been a better outcome….

What, they didn’t find the bones of the giraffe that was slaughtered in a satanic ritual?
////

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:24:47pm

apparently nobody told Pence that the bill got pulled yesterday.

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nines09  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:26:39pm

It’s got to be buzzing around Trump’s head. Did Flynn turn? Did they flip him? Who’s going to freak first if that happens? So many footprints, fingerprints. So many. After the failure of the pile of shit AHCA on Friday, and now……Flynn might have cut a deal?
Trump is probably sweating like Michael Jackson at a Cub Scout sleepover.

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ObserverArt  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:27:04pm

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

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apparently nobody told Pence that the bill got pulled yesterday.

Mike’s a little slow.

By Monday morning he should have figured it out.

Regarding a Flynn Flip…I bought a bag of white popcorn today.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:28:17pm

re: #12 Dr Lizardo

It’s like watching The Gong Show.

Except Gene, Gene, Dancing machine was at least funny.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:29:40pm

I guess we all knew what ‘bomb the shit out of them meant, particularly who ‘them’ meant.

No way this could come back on us, right? Nobody will be upset about 200 friends, neighbors, relatives dying. Nobody who was on the fence will be now looking for the ISIS recruiting page.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:30:28pm

re: #67 nines09

It’s got to be buzzing around Trump’s head. Did Flynn turn? Did they flip him? Who’s going to freak first if that happens? So many footprints, fingerprints. So many. After the failure of the pile of shit AHCA on Friday, and now……Flynn might have cut a deal?
Trump is probably sweating like Michael Jackson at a Cub Scout sleepover.

I’m sure it is……Trump’s paranoia has to be off the scale by now.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:31:45pm

re: #72 Nyet

OK, now that’s sorta curious.

National Enquirer brands Flynn a “Russian spy” — Trump just threw Flynn under the bus. Why?

First to turn State’s Evidence gets the top bunk.

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Skip Intro  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:32:34pm

These Trump assholes really do need uniforms to show how powerful they are.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:32:44pm

re: #67 nines09

It’s got to be buzzing around Trump’s head. Did Flynn turn? Did they flip him? Who’s going to freak first if that happens? So many footprints, fingerprints. So many. After the failure of the pile of shit AHCA on Friday, and now……Flynn might have cut a deal?
Trump is probably sweating like Michael Jackson at a Cub Scout sleepover.

Flynn is like a cheating spouse. If he’ll cheat on one, he’ll cheat on the next one.
And so on and so on.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:33:02pm

re: #73 Blind Frog Belly White

First to turn State’s Evidence gets the top bunk.

Maybe some kind of immunity deal. I’m pretty sure Flynn would take nothing less.

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nines09  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:35:18pm

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

Flynn is like a cheating spouse. If he’ll cheat on one, he’ll cheat on the next one.
And so on and so on.

They wave that ride in front of him after they play a few tapes, show a few photos, drop a few names and dates…..”Your choice. You deal or we move on to others. Seats are going to fill up. And you know you have enemies.”

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Skip Intro  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:35:45pm

re: #48 Major Tom

Thoughts?

[Embedded content]

Yeah. I refuse to keep getting conned by these stories.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:37:10pm

re: #57 Nyet

If true, we’ll just know sooner or later.

As a side note: Abramson doesn’t have much credibility, so I personally don’t find reading his threads useful, but other people’s mileage may vary.

I agree about Abramson - this is the guy who wrote a long jargon-filled article for HuffPo that basically advocated LYING to promote Bernie Sanders. In this case he’s reporting something that comes from other sources, but when you see a tweet from Seth Abramson you should never take it at face value without corroboration from another source.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:38:37pm

Saturday afternoon in one of ‘Murica’s most ‘Murica towns…

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Nyet  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:38:43pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

I agree about Abramson - this is the guy who wrote a long jargon-filled article for HuffPo that basically advocated LYING to promote Bernie Sanders. In this case he’s reporting something that comes from other sources, but when you see a tweet from Seth Abramson you should never take it at face value without corroboration from another source.

Yep. This came up a few days ago.

He also wrote this: medium.com

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freetoken  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:38:52pm

Regarding this Russia stuff… I’ll believe it will matter when I see more people start to resign. For now it’s got a lot of attention from the news-a-holics, but I gather from my Facebook wall that the Trumpers out there don’t really care, and are still blaming Obama for rising their health insurance premiums.

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Skip Intro  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:39:11pm

re: #70 Blind Frog Belly White

I guess we all knew what ‘bomb the shit out of them meant, particularly who ‘them’ meant.

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No way this could come back on us, right? Nobody will be upset about 200 friends, neighbors, relatives dying. Nobody who was on the fence will be now looking for the ISIS recruiting page.

So now we know how the military will respond when Trump gives an illegal order.

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BigPapa  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:40:09pm

Flynn will go States’ no doubt. I got 2208 rubles on Memorial Day.

Joke:

Man and woman had a torrid affair. The slept too long after passionate lovemaking and he was late going home to his wife after work. As he pulled into the driveway he concocted a brilliant plan. Leaving the car, he walked through his lawn scraping his feet into the grass really hard. As he walked to the front door it opened violently to his wife, eyes pierced in laser stare.

“WHERE WE YOU? It’s been hours and you never called!”
“Honey.. I have a confession. I’ve been having an affair.” He looks down at his shoes.

She looks down at his shoes. “YOU LIAR! You were playing golf!”

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:43:04pm

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:43:24pm

re: #80 FormerDirtDart

More blood to water the Tree of Liberty.

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Talking Point Detective  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:43:33pm

My hope is that the Dems (who tend to be pretty feckless) will step up and just hammer Trump for lining up in support of a health care policy that would, for example, have raised rates so much on the elderly.

At the same time as they keep pulling Trump back in as he tries to walk away, they should go full bore on Monday presenting alternative reforms to Obamacare: For example, they could harangue him to get behind policies to increase negotiation powers with drug companies over medicine prices. Just keep hammering him and don’t let up. Keep talking about how it would go a long way toward lowering costs for medical care.

Ideally, they could also present policies that would increase the number of insurance options for people living in regions where the options have become limited. Yes, I know that the reason why they are so limited is because the Pubs sabotaged the ACA, but there really is an opportunity to hammer Trump and improve health insurance at the same time here.

Do not let Trump walk away from this. He backed a policy that was supported by only 17% of the public. Make him pay a political price for that!

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Nyet  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:45:39pm

re: #87 Talking Point Detective

Haven’t seen you for like an eternity. Good that you are still here.

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freetoken  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:47:23pm

So, the ROV peers into a dark crevice (not unlike one in which any actual evidence of Trump-Putin collusion would have been tossed for hiding):

… and finds it full of life (corals, crinoids, sponges):

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gocart mozart  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:48:40pm
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stpaulbear  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:48:44pm

re: #85 FormerDirtDart

He can’t even not lie about playing golf.

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Talking Point Detective  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:48:55pm

re: #88 Nyet

Thanks Nyet. I’ve been trying to spend less time on blogs….but I see Trump as a truly existential threat, and I feel really animated on this issue as a way to thwart his progress - not to mention how important healthcare is anyway.

I am very worried that the Dems won’t leverage this issue and will let him weasel out of his support for such an unpopular legislative proposal, as he has tried to do already by hiding behind other Pubs and by pointing the finger at Dems.

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austin_blue  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:55:07pm

re: #48 Major Tom

Thoughts?

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Let it be so, Number One…

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Nyet  Mar 25, 2017 • 1:57:52pm
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Nyet  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:00:10pm
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gocart mozart  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:02:01pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:02:11pm

OT: The Official Justice League Trailer just dropped….

JUSTICE LEAGUE - Official Trailer 1

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austin_blue  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:02:29pm

re: #56 freetoken

Another one of those giant purple sea cucumbers, this one is spotted:

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Yes, I know, some places in the world this would be a delicacy… but I’ll skip it.

Agreed. I won’t eat anything that can vomit and regrow its own alimentary canal.

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Nyet  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:07:38pm

A propos DC… let’s rumble.

1. Suicide Squad actually wasn’t that bad. Yeah, it made no sense, but was OK for watching it once in a brain-turned-off state.

2. Leto’s Joker was good.

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darthstar  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:08:55pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:09:38pm

re: #99 Nyet

I enjoyed it for the entertainment value. That being said, Justice League looks great. Hope I feel the same after I see it!

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:10:29pm

Alex Jones apologizes, Flynn flips, just maybe the fabric of bullshit ‘merica is starting to unravel. It is inevitable that it will you know; garbage in, garbage out, the house on sinking sand, etc.

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Nyet  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:13:25pm

re: #102 Shiplord Kirel

Flynn flips

We don’t know this.

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freetoken  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:14:23pm

re: #100 darthstar

The comma, and other grammatical niceties:

Guys, he has a name.

Guys he has, a name.

Guys he has - a name.

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BigPapa  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:14:29pm

re: #103 Nyet

We don’t know this.

He better not yet. I just put 2208 rubles on him flipping later.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:14:57pm
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Nyet  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:15:05pm

re: #101 GlutenFreeJesus

I enjoyed it for the entertainment value. That being said, Justice League looks great. Hope I feel the same after I see it!

I hope I don’t feel the same as I felt about Age of Ultron, where the trailer was more interesting than the movie itself.

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Kragar  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:17:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:18:17pm

heh

President Trump: I never said repealing and replacing Obamacare would be easy. Really? Let’s check the tape:

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BigPapa  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:18:53pm

re: #109 Kragar

The Sad Clown Sound is super LOL.

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Nyet  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:19:52pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

Turns out America doesn’t tick the same way as Putin’s Russia does, eh, Donnie?

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darthstar  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:21:56pm

re: #105 BigPapa

He better not yet. I just put 2208 rubles on him flipping later.

Plus, there are probably a number of other people who probably want to flip to avoid prison time.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:22:08pm

re: #102 Shiplord Kirel

Alex Jones apologizes, Flynn flips, just maybe the fabric of bullshit ‘merica is starting to unravel. It is inevitable that it will you know; garbage in, garbage out, the house on sinking sand, etc.

I think you are giving them too much credit. The colossal amount of BS ideological stupidity enjoyed amongst the hardcore nuttisphere knows no bounds and is a bottomless pit. The only thing in the end that matters to these cretins is how much money they can con out of about 35% of America with their endless conspiracy dreck and constant spewage of an ultra-nationalist shitstorm that has been engulfing this country the past 40 years now.

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:23:05pm

re: #103 Nyet

We don’t know this.

Not yet, but it is likely enough that we can speculate about a possible (not a definite) trend, clearly indicated by “just maybe.”

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:24:12pm

re: #113 darthstar

Plus, there are probably a number of other people who probably want to flip to avoid prison time.

This is how real conspiracies of this magnitude work: They usually don’t.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:25:11pm

re: #116 Shiplord Kirel

This is how real conspiracies of this magnitude work: They usually don’t.

We need a better class of turncoat.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:26:21pm
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gocart mozart  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:27:33pm

Chuck Berry and the E Street Band circa 1995

Bruce Springsteen & Chuck Berry - Johnny B Goode (Live 1995)


and You Never Can Tell

Bruce Springsteen - You Never Can Tell

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:27:35pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:28:46pm
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thedopefishlives  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:29:07pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hey, important business meetings happen on the golf course, too.////

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:30:07pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:30:55pm

re: #122 thedopefishlives

Hey, important business meetings happen on the golf course, too.////

Yeah mango habarnero buffalo wings and not mild.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:34:25pm

So I did that celeb doppleganger making the rounds on Facebook. I got Paul Walker. Don’t really see that since he was more blonde and I’m practically black haired but he was a good looking guy.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:35:09pm
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thedopefishlives  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:35:54pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

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Charles. Stop and think for a minute. Orly Taitz and her band of Nirther nutjobs are still carrying on, and Obama is no longer the President. The stupid never stops.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:35:59pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

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Yes.

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electrotek  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:36:16pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:36:36pm

re: #127 thedopefishlives

Charles. Stop and think for a minute. Orly Taitz and her band of Nirther nutjobs are still carrying on, and Obama is no longer the President. The stupid never stops.

They were still bitching about ACORN years after ACORN lost its funding too. Once a right wing lie has started, it becomes canon, you know that better than I do with your background.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:36:39pm

re: #129 electrotek

I half expected a, “Don’t tase me, bro!”

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Targetpractice  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:37:01pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s the way it always happens: Republicans push a bill for weeks on a purely partisan line, expend effort trying to pass it with just Repub votes, find themselves falling short, so they turn around and try to browbeat Democrats into supporting the bill as-is in the spirit of “bipartisanship.” And when Dems balk and tell them where to stick their bill, the Repubs respond by accusing Dems of not caring about the “problem.”

The last bit is already starting up, as evidenced by the snippet of F&F I caught this morning when a guest changed the channel to Faux. They’re already trying to push this idea that the DNC’s refusal to save the GOP from themselves is evidence that Democrats don’t care about the “problems” with the ACA. And they played sob stories from 2014 to invoke the emotional response necessary.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:37:19pm

Well played Huffington Post, well played

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thedopefishlives  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:37:28pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

They were still bitching about ACORN years after ACORN lost its funding too. Once a right wing lie has started, it becomes canon, you know that better than I do with your background.

It only has to be repeated once by someone the right wing considers reputable - a Rush Limbaugh, a Pat Robertson - and it becomes as good as gold to the true believers. Doesn’t matter how many times it gets debunked, that’s all liberal propaganda.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:38:38pm

re: #134 thedopefishlives

It only has to be repeated once by someone the right wing considers reputable - a Rush Limbaugh, a Pat Robertson - and it becomes as good as gold to the true believers. Doesn’t matter how many times it gets debunked, that’s all liberal propaganda.

Yep and that really is what makes peole like Limbaugh, Robertson, and others so dangerous. You’re right. It doesn’t matter how many times it’s debunked. Once it’s in their head, it’s lefty propaganda and fake news to them.

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Nyet  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:39:20pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

After the recent flatearthism revival I can believe anything.

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freetoken  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:39:23pm

Not going to make the menu for the “soft shell” beach party:

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electrotek  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:39:49pm

re: #131 thedopefishlives

I half expected a, “Don’t tase me, bro!”

Pretty rich for them to call others “pussies” for hitting women when their fellow travelers have no shame in assaulting women as “alpha white men”

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:39:57pm

Thread

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:40:11pm

re: #114 Rocky-in-Connecticut

I think you are giving them too much credit. The colossal amount of BS ideological stupidity enjoyed amongst the hardcore nuttisphere knows no bounds and is a bottomless pit. The only thing in the end that matters to these cretins is how much money they can con out of about 35% of America with their endless conspiracy dreck and constant spewage of an ultra-nationalist shitstorm that has been engulfing this country the past 40 years now.

I’m not giving the lords of bullshit any credit at all for anything but heedless overreach. You are right that this culture will not disappear in the foreseeable future but it will be increasingly marginalized. They have been campaigning for real power, reaching for the brass rung, for decades. This was really only incidental to their actual purpose, to fleece goober-America, but the effect was real and the power they have gained is real.

They have finally grasped it and it is far too hot to handle. We have reached peak guano. My admittedly imperfect model for this is the 1920s KuKluxKlan, a massively powerful organization with millions of members and effective control of several states. It collapsed with breathtaking speed. Its remnants persist to this day but their power is long gone.
Obviously, the batshit right is far more diverse and pervasive than the ’20s KKK but its fundamental nature, a grift that gained power almost incidentally, is the same. The ripples of collapse will spread farther for that reason.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:40:47pm

re: #135 HappyWarrior

Yep and that really is what makes peole like Limbaugh, Robertson, and others so dangerous. You’re right. It doesn’t matter how many times it’s debunked. Once it’s in their head, it’s lefty propaganda and fake news to them.

Those of us who are more sane can sit here and laugh at their utter idiocy, and wonder how anyone takes them seriously. The problem is that people do take them seriously - so seriously that they will believe anything they say, to the exclusion of all rationality. The far right wing is driven by blind belief in authority figures, as cultivated in American churches (“listen to me and follow my teaching, lest ye be cast into hell!”).

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Targetpractice  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:41:13pm

re: #129 electrotek

Trump rally in Huntington Beach:

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Wait, weren’t Trump rallies supposedly bastions of non-violence, that Trump supporters would never engage in violence?

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:41:23pm

re: #133 FormerDirtDart

Well played Huffington Post, well played

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I’m far more interested in seeing the upcoming Wonder Woman film - it looks more interesting than Justice League, at least in my opinion.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:43:26pm

re: #141 thedopefishlives

Those of us who are more sane can sit here and laugh at their utter idiocy, and wonder how anyone takes them seriously. The problem is that people do take them seriously - so seriously that they will believe anything they say, to the exclusion of all rationality. The far right wing is driven by blind belief in authority figures, as cultivated in American churches (“listen to me and follow my teaching, lest ye be cast into hell!”).

I was rewatching Jesus Camp the other night with my teenage brother. We both came to a couple of conclusions 1) Thankful to our parents for not pushing religion us as kids and 2) Sorry for the people especially the kids involved but also the adults since this religious stuff is a vicious cycle. I’ve talked about my liberal upbringing a lot but we were also challenged on our views a lot since my Dad likes to play Devil’s Advocate, something his father liked to do too.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:44:48pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

I was rewatching Jesus Camp the other night with my teenage brother. We both came to a couple of conclusions 1) Thankful to our parents for not pushing religion us as kids and 2) Sorry for the people especially the kids involved but also the adults since this religious stuff is a vicious cycle. I’ve talked about my liberal upbringing a lot but we were also challenged on our views a lot since my Dad likes to play Devil’s Advocate, something his father liked to do too.

I am definitely going to raise my kids in the Christian way, because I believe in it still, despite all the problems I have with the way American churches operate these days. But unlike my folks, I am going to encourage my kids to question, and challenge, and to form their own beliefs. I want them to believe, but if they don’t, that’s their own choice, and I’m far more comfortable with that than I am with the idea of indoctrinating them and killing their ability to be sane and rational members of society.

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freetoken  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:45:19pm

Kind of neat… if you don’t have to handle it:

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HappyWarrior  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:46:16pm

re: #145 thedopefishlives

I am definitely going to raise my kids in the Christian way, because I believe in it still, despite all the problems I have with the way American churches operate these days. But unlike my folks, I am going to encourage my kids to question, and challenge, and to form their own beliefs. I want them to believe, but if they don’t, that’s their own choice, and I’m far more comfortable with that than I am with the idea of indoctrinating them and killing their ability to be sane and rational members of society.

Sounds good to me. I don’t have kids myself but if I do, I just want to give my kids the ability to think for themselves. I won’t be afraid to share my opinions but I don’t want them to think that thinking differently from their parents and close family makes them heretics.

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Skip Intro  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:46:29pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

“Pizzagate” DC shooter pleads guilty, faces years in prison

Good.

arstechnica.com

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HappyWarrior  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:46:42pm

re: #146 freetoken

Kind of neat… if you don’t have to handle it:

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On the ocean floor?

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thedopefishlives  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:47:59pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

Sounds good to me. I don’t have kids myself but if I do, I just want to give my kids the ability to think for themselves. I won’t be afraid to share my opinions but I don’t want them to think that thinking differently from their parents and close family makes them heretics.

Exactly. As my pastor said a couple of years ago in a sermon, there are some things that are hills to die on, some things that are up for debate, and some things that I will discuss. The key is not making every single belief a hill to die on.

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Targetpractice  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:48:34pm

re: #146 freetoken

Kind of neat… if you don’t have to handle it:

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Looks like a Shadow from B5.

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freetoken  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:49:52pm

re: #149 HappyWarrior

On the ocean floor?

They are on a cliff at about -2500 meters.

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Kragar  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:49:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:50:06pm

re: #150 thedopefishlives

Exactly. As my pastor said a couple of years ago in a sermon, there are some things that are hills to die on, some things that are up for debate, and some things that I will discuss. The key is not making every single belief a hill to die on.

Right, basic principles like being welcoming to people different than you, kindness, etc are universal principles that should really transcend politics and religion.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:50:27pm

re: #152 freetoken

They are on a cliff at about -2500 meters.

Ah ha. Thanks.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:51:58pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Right, basic principles like being welcoming to people different than you, kindness, etc are universal principles that should really transcend politics and religion.

And that segues perfectly into another topic I’ve been discussing with my liberal FB friends recently. This whole hyper-partisan politics thing is really aggravating me. There used to be a time when the two parties would work together and disagree amicably. Nowadays, politics is literally about beating the other guy and destroying whatever he has done or is doing. Not a thought is spared for what’s actually right for the country - it’s all about power and being right. Can’t we all just get along?

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Decatur Deb  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:53:11pm

re: #138 electrotek

Pretty rich for them to call others “pussies” for hitting women when their fellow travelers have no shame in assaulting women as “alpha white men”

Watching to the end shows the core of the moving violence is a couple of overweight Trumpish skinhead types hunting down a hooded black bloc ninja type. If so, file that under “Hot Asshole-on-Asshole Action”.

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electrotek  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:53:27pm

re: #142 Targetpractice

Wait, weren’t Trump rallies supposedly bastions of non-violence, that Trump supporters would never engage in violence?

To the woman in red’s credit (the one in the American flag hat), she did step in to intervene when a Trump supporter was punching a Latino guy, and got hit with pepper spray in the crossfire from the looks of it.

I can’t overlook that detail in the video.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:53:41pm

re: #156 thedopefishlives

And that segues perfectly into another topic I’ve been discussing with my liberal FB friends recently. This whole hyper-partisan politics thing is really aggravating me. There used to be a time when the two parties would work together and disagree amicably. Nowadays, politics is literally about beating the other guy and destroying whatever he has done or is doing. Not a thought is spared for what’s actually right for the country - it’s all about power and being right. Can’t we all just get along?

I really blame the Limbaughs of the world for a lot of that. I’ll be the first to say I never liked the conservative ideology but I’ve had conservative friends and some family too. The thing is so many on the right have been convinced that liberals are out to get them by people like Rush who could care less about them.

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freetoken  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:54:51pm

re: #155 HappyWarrior

The ROV is working up the edge of a prominence:

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:55:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:57:35pm

re: #161 FormerDirtDart

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It’s incredibly disrespectful to the people who showed up at Town Halls to oppose it too. I’m sorry. Good for Bernie for opposing the ACA repeal but let’s not act like it was just him. I swear Sanders diehards, stop treating your man like a God. It’s really off fucking putting.

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gocart mozart  Mar 25, 2017 • 2:58:46pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:00:07pm

re: #161 FormerDirtDart

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Yeah, Bernie was such a big help, making the news circuit…bitching about how the DNC was failing and only he could save them…

//////

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Jay C  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:02:20pm

re: #142 Targetpractice

Wait, weren’t Trump rallies supposedly bastions of non-violence, that Trump supporters would never engage in violence?

No, never AFAICR. At most Trump campaign events, an atmosphere of violent reaction against Dear Leader’s Designated Enemies was pretty much tacitly (and on occasion, overtly) encouraged. That violent brawls and/or riots didn’t actually break out during the campaign was something of a mild surprise: mainly, I think because:
1) Professional security was provided, and was, well, professional.
2) Many/most Trumperrhoids were mainly talk, not action (not to mention a high percentage old, fat and out-shape)
3) Even the True Believers figured that overt violence was a sure way to discredit themselves and their candidate.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:03:01pm

re: #164 Targetpractice

Yeah, Bernie was such a big help, making the news circuit…bitching about how the DNC was failing and only he could save them…

//////

He’s still bitching at the DNC even after Perez chose his choice to be his right hand man. For all Bernie’s rhetoric of building a movement, he seems more interested in making it all about him and anyone who doesn’t support him can fuck off. It’s incredibly off putting. Some of the people I’m working with on the Perriello campaign are former Sanders supporters and some of us are former Clinton ones. They all seem to see the big picture. One lady I talked last night even remarked it was great that with either Northam or Perriello we have a great nominee for governor.

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austin_blue  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:05:53pm

re: #146 freetoken

Kind of neat… if you don’t have to handle it:

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That’s a mean little street urchin!

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gocart mozart  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:07:13pm
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Nyet  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:08:08pm

LOL. Didn’t know Cernovich had such a whiny little voice.

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electrotek  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:08:40pm

re: #165 Jay C

At 2:36 in the video, you can hear someone chanting “Pinochet!”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:11:03pm

re: #169 Nyet

LOL. Didn’t know Cernovich had such a whiny little voice.

ALPHA!

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Franklin  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:16:37pm

Just watched All The Presidents Men for the first time as a 42 year old:

1) Why had I not watched this before, should be required viewing

2) Fantastic acting, Hoffman, Redford, Robards at their finest

3) Investigative reporting and justice takes a long, long time. Apropos of our current situation.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:17:44pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

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Those poor kids.

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:18:01pm

re: #170 electrotek

At 2:36 in the video, you can hear someone chanting “Pinochet!”

Yep. I’m hearing, “….you get a helicopter ride! PINOCHET! PINOCHET!”

There is a small but devoted Pinochet cult on the American right, mainly centered around his allegedly successful application of libertarian Chicago School economic theory. Any post about the Chilean dictator will draw them out at Free Republic. There is a similar but even more devoted Franco cult at freep, Franco being a major figure in John Birch Society pseudo-history.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:18:21pm

re: #173 Franklin

Just watched All The Presidents Men for the first time as a 42 year old:

1) Why had I not watched this before, should be required viewing

2) Fantastic acting, Hoffman, Redford, Robards at their finest

3) Investigative reporting and justice takes a long, long time. Apropos of our current situation.

Great movie.

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Franklin  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:19:24pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

Great movie.

Yep. The sign of a great movie is when you know the material and the outcome and it still blows you away.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:19:45pm

re: #175 Shiplord Kirel

Yep. I’m hearing, “….you get a helicopter ride! PINOCHET! PINOCHET!”

There is a small but devoted Pinochet cult on the American right, mainly centered around his allegedly successful application of libertarian Chicago School economic theory. Any post about the Chilean dictator will draw them out at Free Republic. There is a similar but even more devoted Franco cult at freep, Franco being a major figure in John Birch Society pseudo-history.

Yeah I knew a lot of right wingers that were Pinochet apologists because of his economic practices. I also remember a lot of people who defended the Argentine Junta when Rafael Videla died. Plus with Pinochet, you had Margaret Thatcher who was a big fan of his. I didn’t know that many freepers admired Franco. Can’t say I’m surprised.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:19:46pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

Those poor kids.

Doomed to form a second-rate Metal band.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:20:46pm

re: #177 Franklin

Yep. The sign of a great movie is when you know the material and the outcome and it still blows you away.

One thing that strikes me having read the book as well but how many of the low level guys like Sloan really genuinely believed that Nixon would never condone what happened. They really sincerely believed in Nixon.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:21:00pm

re: #179 Decatur Deb

Doomed to form a second-rate Metal band.

Could be worse.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:21:34pm

re: #178 HappyWarrior

Yeah I knew a lot of right wingers that were Pinochet apologists because of his economic practices. I also remember a lot of people who defended the Argentine Junta when Rafael Videla died. Plus with Pinochet, you had Margaret Thatcher who was a big fan of his. I didn’t know that many freepers admired Franco. Can’t say I’m surprised.

A generation of Catholic school kids was taught that Franco was on the right side of History.

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BeachDem  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:24:24pm

re: #95 Nyet

Mike Flynn secretly met Turkish officials to plan illegal ‘dead of night’ extradition of fugitive cleric

I remember how DF was defending extraditing Gülen.

I hope it’s not Flynn that flipped, as he is as dirty as they come and I’d hate to have him skate.

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Nyet  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:26:25pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:27:40pm

Something worth considering…

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Franklin  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:28:55pm

re: #183 BeachDem

I hope it’s not Flynn that flipped, as he is as dirty as they come and I’d hate to have him skate.

I’ll take any port in a storm.

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Nyet  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:29:45pm
188
Interesting Times  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:32:37pm

re: #169 Nyet

LOL. Didn’t know Cernovich had such a whiny little voice.

Really? That’s another one I’ll have to add to my list.

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TedStriker  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:36:08pm

re: #187 Nyet

Is it wrong for me to hope that Cheeto Benito sees Calypso Louie’s tweet and the two of them go at each other in the Internet equivalent of a all-out slap fight?

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stpaulbear  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:37:22pm

re: #156 thedopefishlives

And that segues perfectly into another topic I’ve been discussing with my liberal FB friends recently. This whole hyper-partisan politics thing is really aggravating me. There used to be a time when the two parties would work together and disagree amicably. Nowadays, politics is literally about beating the other guy and destroying whatever he has done or is doing. Not a thought is spared for what’s actually right for the country - it’s all about power and being right. Can’t we all just get along?

How did Obama beat republicans trying to destroy what they’d done other than by proposing good policy? How did Hillary do that? You’re comment sounds a bit David Brooks-ish to me. If you’re just talking about how we treat each other on Facebook and Twitter, I agree that there’s a lack of civility there, but those are set up to let everyone’s inner asshole run free.

I’m not seeing all that many liberal politicians trying to ‘destroy’ conservative candidates. ‘Defeat’ yes, but that’s not the same as trying to destroy.

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Belafon  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:37:31pm

re: #186 Franklin

I’ll take any port in a storm.

Yep, I’ll trade sleazy Flynn who won’t get any more work except maybe Fox for ending a whole lot of Administration careers.

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Jebediah, RBG  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:38:38pm

re: #42 stpaulbear

I wonder if HFC members will start showing up in Wilileaks dumps.
//

I heard Willieleaks was started by Anthony Weiner.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:39:22pm

re: #190 stpaulbear

How did Obama beat republicans trying to destroy what they’d done other than by proposing good policy? How did Hillary do that? You’re comment sounds a bit David Brooks-ish to me. If you’re just talking about how we treat each other on Facebook and Twitter, I agree that there’s a lack of civility there, but those are set up to let everyone’s inner asshole run free.

I’m not seeing all that many liberal politicians trying to ‘destroy’ conservative candidates. ‘Defeat’ yes, but that’s not the same as trying to destroy.

I noticed it mostly during the Bush years. Now admittedly, I was on the other side of the aisle at the time myself, and there was probably some confirmation/selection bias there, but it seemed to be the standing policy of the Democratic Party to block anything and everything the GOP proposed. Now perhaps my use of the word “destroy” was hyperbolic, but it does seem to be all about the power and not about the policy.

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:40:19pm

re: #178 HappyWarrior

Pinochet himself can be seen at about 1:10 in this video of the Chilean army’s 1993 grand parade. Democracy had been restored by then and he was largely out of power, but was still technically commander of the Chilean army. I can’t help but wonder how his lard-ass American devotees would do if asked to duplicate this rousing rendition of Preussens Gloria. Preussens Gloria - Ejercito de Chile

Comments are telling:

Glory and Honor forever to general AUGUSTO PINOCHET ! HE was a great SON of the People of CHILE and great FIGHTER against Communism !
CREETINGS FROM BULGARIA !

Worth noting that Chile remained neutral through World War 2, finally declaring war on Japan a few days before the war ended. It was the last nation to join the war. It obviously took no active part, in contrast to Brazil, Mexico, and Cuba, all of which had forces in active combat during the war. Cuba’s contribution was small but important, a Cuban navy patrol boat actually sank a German U-boat in the Florida strait during the war.

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Skip Intro  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:41:29pm

re: #191 Belafon

If Flynn turns on Trump - which I seriously doubt is ever going to happen - Fox wouldn’t touch him. Hannity would have a complete melt down, as would O’Reilly, Dobbs, and Tucker Carlson.

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EmmaAnne  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:45:59pm
197
BeachDem  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:46:02pm

Lindsey Graham, pub-splainin’ Amurkkka at a town hall.

According to Graham, President Barack Obama was not entitled to fill the seat because, “Scalia died in February after three primaries had started a week before the South Carolina primary.”

rawstory.com

What an asshat—yeah, Lindsey plays a moderate on teevee, but he’s as big a douchnozzle as the rest of them.

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gocart mozart  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:46:37pm
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Belafon  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:47:54pm

re: #156 thedopefishlives

And that segues perfectly into another topic I’ve been discussing with my liberal FB friends recently. This whole hyper-partisan politics thing is really aggravating me. There used to be a time when the two parties would work together and disagree amicably. Nowadays, politics is literally about beating the other guy and destroying whatever he has done or is doing. Not a thought is spared for what’s actually right for the country - it’s all about power and being right. Can’t we all just get along?

At one point in time, prior to Newt Gingrich, where the Republican party contained moderates that would vote for Democratic parties. This completely ended when the Hastert Rule was put in place.

The partisanship was put in place by one party. Witness 2009 when the Democrats, including the president, tried to bring Republicans in.

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Belafon  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:51:04pm

re: #193 thedopefishlives

I noticed it mostly during the Bush years. Now admittedly, I was on the other side of the aisle at the time myself, and there was probably some confirmation/selection bias there, but it seemed to be the standing policy of the Democratic Party to block anything and everything the GOP proposed. Now perhaps my use of the word “destroy” was hyperbolic, but it does seem to be all about the power and not about the policy.

Remember how no Democrats voted for Medicare part D? Or refused to implement it after it passed?

//

When Medicare Part D started failing, Democrats helped pass an increase to keep it afloat.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:51:06pm

re: #197 BeachDem

Lindsey Graham, pub-splainin’ Amurkkka at a town hall.

According to Graham, President Barack Obama was not entitled to fill the seat because, “Scalia died in February after three primaries had started a week before the South Carolina primary.”

rawstory.com

What an asshat—yeah, Lindsey plays a moderate on teevee, but he’s as big a douchnozzle as the rest of them.

John Adams appointed John Marshall after he lost to Jefferson. I’d love to see Lindsay explain that.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:52:51pm

re: #199 Belafon

At one point in time, prior to Newt Gingrich, where the Republican party contained moderates that would vote for Democratic parties. This completely ended when the Hastert Rule was put in place.

The partisanship was put in place by one party. Witness 2009 when the Democrats, including the president, tried to bring Republicans in.

I … had no idea how completely fucked up House politics had gotten. The Republicans have really abused their majority for far too long.

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Belafon  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:54:37pm

When people start complaining about Democrats not making Republicans pay:

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gocart mozart  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:57:32pm

re: #193 thedopefishlives

I noticed it mostly during the Bush years. Now admittedly, I was on the other side of the aisle at the time myself, and there was probably some confirmation/selection bias there, but it seemed to be the standing policy of the Democratic Party to block anything and everything the GOP proposed. Now perhaps my use of the word “destroy” was hyperbolic, but it does seem to be all about the power and not about the policy.

What GOP POLICY should the Dems have supported that they did not? [Too many supported war and tax cuts and in hindsight there was if anything too much bi-partisanship] It seems you are the one that does not care about policy.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:58:34pm

re: #204 gocart mozart

What GOP POLICY should the Dems have supported that they did not? [Too many supported war and tax cuts and in hindsight there was if anything too much bi-partisanship] It seems you are the one that does not care about policy.

That’s a fair question. And the honest answer is, “I don’t know.” I think I’m changing my mind, but I’m not sure I have all the data yet.

206
Shiplord Kirel  Mar 25, 2017 • 3:59:44pm

States rights, anyone?

Facebook Post

207
FormerDirtDart  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:02:26pm

Someone better get real bust real soon to make those goals…
65 days, and nothing on the 100 day plan achieved

208
Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:05:05pm

re: #207 FormerDirtDart

“Clean up corruption in Washington Act”

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

209
thedopefishlives  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:05:32pm

re: #208 Eclectic Cyborg

“Clean up corruption in Washington Act”

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Also known as the, “Replace Everyone Humanly Possible With Someone Directly Tied to the President Act”

210
darthstar  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:08:11pm

Looks like Trump launched another “make me feel better” raid…hundreds of civilians reported dead in Mosul.

Fuck.

211
thedopefishlives  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:08:42pm

re: #210 darthstar

Looks like Trump launched another “make me feel better” raid…hundreds of civilians reported dead in Mosul.

Fuck.

Jesus Fuckin’ Christ.

212
darthstar  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:09:04pm
213
darthstar  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:10:00pm

re: #211 thedopefishlives

Jesus Fuckin’ Christ.

“ISIS target”…per CNN

214
thedopefishlives  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:10:42pm

re: #213 darthstar

“ISIS target”…per CNN

One of them is not worth hundreds of civilians, of any nationality. Just sayin’.

215
steve_davis  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:10:57pm

re: #90 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

my dad, retired episcopal priest, is a huge bonhoeffer fan. and he is an absolutely first-rate judge of character.

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gocart mozart  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:11:04pm

I saw Chuck Berry at a free concert at a county fair back in the 80’s, I think Puppet Show opened for him.
Chuck Berry and the Plastic Ono Band

Chuck Berry & John Lennon / Johnny B Good

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freetoken  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:12:01pm

So, yesterday afternoon my Mac wouldn’t restart from sleep… and when rebooting I was faced with the dreaded question mark.

After much playing around, including booting from an old Snow Leopard optical disk, I was able to get my boot drive repaired. Now it seems to work (i.e., I’m typing this now), but spooked that my drive was failing I overnighted a replacement from Amazon.

Now I’m faced with the perpetual Mac dilemma - for my new drive, do I:
1) simply restore the current system from Time Machine onto the new drive; or
2) do a new OS install on the new drive, and use Migration Assistant to bring over all the applications and files?

218
Decatur Deb  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:14:04pm

re: #217 freetoken

How many 5 1/4 floppies do you have?

219
freetoken  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:14:30pm

re: #218 Decatur Deb

How many 5 1/4 floppies do you have?

They’ve been gone for years…

220
thedopefishlives  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:14:53pm

re: #219 freetoken

They’ve been gone for years…

I bet I still have some in a box somewhere. I know for a fact I have a big stack of 3-1/2” disks.

221
Belafon  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:14:56pm

re: #202 thedopefishlives

I … had no idea how completely fucked up House politics had gotten. The Republicans have really abused their majority for far too long.

Here’s an interesting chart:

House of Reps Voting Patterns

The idea is that Republicans are red, Democrats are blue. The gray are lines representing when two congressional members voted the same way. The more they voted the same, the closer the dots get together.

222
PhillyPretzel  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:15:13pm

re: #217 freetoken

Although I have a MacBook Pro I have never used migration assistant. I usually use Time Machine for restoring my computer.

223
Joe Bacon  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:15:36pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

I was rewatching Jesus Camp the other night with my teenage brother. We both came to a couple of conclusions 1) Thankful to our parents for not pushing religion us as kids and 2) Sorry for the people especially the kids involved but also the adults since this religious stuff is a vicious cycle. I’ve talked about my liberal upbringing a lot but we were also challenged on our views a lot since my Dad likes to play Devil’s Advocate, something his father liked to do too.

No movies scared me to death as much as Jesus Camp because I saw first hand how the Religious Right infected my family and turned them into mindless pod people who slobber at the feet of Trump.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:15:57pm

re: #221 Belafon

Here’s an interesting chart:

[Embedded content]

The idea is that Republicans are red, Democrats are blue. The gray are lines representing when two congressional members voted the same way. The more they voted the same, the closer the dots get together.

Oh, look, the Reagan years. I think I’m coming around.

225
freetoken  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:16:23pm

re: #222 PhillyPretzel

That’s what I am inclined to do, but the expert sites online seem to be telling me that using Migration Assistant is the recommended procedure.

So I’m confused.

226
Decatur Deb  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:16:43pm

re: #220 thedopefishlives

I bet I still have some in a box somewhere. I know for a fact I have a big stack of 3-1/2” disks.

Same. And an external PCMCIA drive, just in case.

227
EmmaAnne  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:17:07pm

re: #217 freetoken

I’ve just used time machine the last couple of times with no problem.

228
freetoken  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:17:25pm

re: #221 Belafon

Congress is undergoing mitosis???

229
thedopefishlives  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:17:36pm

re: #226 Decatur Deb

Same. And an external PCMCIA drive, just in case.

The only computer in the house that still has a 3-1/2” drive currently doesn’t boot, but I know I could get it to do so if I really needed access to the drive. Just needs a new drive and one of the myriad of older versions of Windows I have floating around on CD’s/DVD’s.

230
PhillyPretzel  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:17:51pm

re: #225 freetoken

If your Apple Store is close you can take it into them and they might be able to help you.

231
William Lewis  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:17:57pm

re: #217 freetoken

I’d do time machine and be thinking happy thoughts about not having to be using old time backups like tape or floppies. When I recently had to replace my laptop, I’d have loved to have not had to reinstall everything even though I did have all my data backed up to external drives.

232
Belafon  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:18:52pm

re: #228 freetoken

Congress is undergoing mitosis???

From the article: “What we’re left with is a picture of political mitosis.”

233
gocart mozart  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:18:54pm

You may want to slap the cameraman though

Chuck Berry & John Lennon / Johnny B Good

234
freetoken  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:19:17pm

re: #230 PhillyPretzel

It’s all external drives on my iMac. The internal one failed years ago and I’ve never bothered to remove it. So I have a nest of 4 drives hanging off of FW800, FW400, and USB.

235
jaunte  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:19:39pm

Statutory humor.

236
thedopefishlives  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:20:53pm

re: #235 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Statutory humor.

*WHACK!*

237
freetoken  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:21:17pm

So MacSales sez this:

When transferring your data from one drive to another, we highly recommend you install a fresh copy of OS X, and then use Apple’s Migration Assistant to migrate your data to the new drive.

While drive cloning is also an option, performing a fresh OS install and migrating your data can provide a much better starting point to ensure that everything will work correctly, and should you have any issues with your new drive, it can eliminate additional variables to troubleshoot.

Performing a fresh install will also ensure your new drive is setup with an OS X Recovery Partition that Apple creates during the OS install process.

238
FormerDirtDart  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:21:54pm

NEW AD → additional $1.1 million in spending and a new TV ad against Democrat Jon Ossoff in #GA06

239
Decatur Deb  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:23:09pm

re: #237 freetoken

So MacSales sez this:

Can’t you just download it from comey.gov?

240
PhillyPretzel  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:25:07pm

re: #239 Decatur Deb

Hmm. Verizon Search Assistant came up. They have no idea what that is.

241
Decatur Deb  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:26:28pm

re: #240 PhillyPretzel

Hmm. Verizon Search Assistant came up. They have no idea what that is.

You have to go in through rt.org.

242
BeachDem  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:26:48pm

re: #201 HappyWarrior

John Adams appointed John Marshall after he lost to Jefferson. I’d love to see Lindsay explain that.

Quite simply, you just don’t understand America!
/

243
PhillyPretzel  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:30:07pm

re: #241 Decatur Deb

All I got was 2 words “Under Construction.” I will stick to sites that I know.

244
TedStriker  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:44:45pm

re: #201 HappyWarrior

John Adams appointed John Marshall after he lost to Jefferson. I’d love to see Lindsay explain that.

*Graham sputtering*

“Well, well…that was different!”

245
gocart mozart  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:46:31pm

Let’s play “Can You Guess Keith Richards’ B.A.C. Level”

Muddy Waters & The Rolling Stones - Baby Please Don’t Go - Live At Checkerboard Lounge

246
Franklin  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:49:56pm

re: #244 TedStriker

*Graham sputtering*

“Well, well…that was different!”

And with Scalia being an Originialist, any counter to Adams/Marshall rings hollow.

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Jay C  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:50:32pm

re: #235 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Statutory humor.

At least we know now that he’s not “The Thinker”….

248
stpaulbear  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:51:29pm

re: #212 darthstar

I played drums for a comedy revue once where one of the three ‘versions’ of the band was called ‘The Bishops’. The two front guys came on stage in robes with bishop’s hats that were about that tall with Christmas lights around the edges. In one hand was a big cigar and in the other a bottle of Jack Daniels which they proceeded to drink most of during the 40 minute set. It was insane. The crowd at the Cabooze (a legendary Mpls west bank bar) LOVED it, to my amazement and relief. The bar owner got hammered too and danced through the whole set. I’ve never played a live gig that came closer to collapsing into chaos on purpose, but it was GREAT.

When we were done playing, I discovered that the group had been selling ‘Bishops’ t-shirts with a glow-in-the-dark logo, but they’d run out. The bar owner was wearing one, and when I commented that I wish I had gotten one, he stripped off his sweaty t-shirt and gave it to me.

Someone made a video of that gig and it was funny as all get-out because as the person filming the gig kept getting more and more hammered, the video became totally erratic and disjointed, but still showed how crazy fun the gig was. I was supposed to get a copy of the video but it got stolen out of the base player’s car. Bummer.

249
stpaulbear  Mar 25, 2017 • 4:52:06pm

And of course there’s a new thread…

250
gocart mozart  Mar 25, 2017 • 5:02:05pm

The vocal stylings of Keith Richards. Note: he is 12 years older now.

Keith Richards and Friends - Wild Horses, live 2004

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A Cranky One  Mar 25, 2017 • 5:24:46pm

Interesting day today. I have a co-worker who’s an immigrant from Ethiopia. Went over to his house a few weeks ago to deal with some home issues he’s been struggling with. Ended up doing a fair amount of work while teaching him some basics about home repair. Replaced a garbage disposal that was corroded and leaking badly, fixed the kitchen faucet, re-glued some countertop laminate that was peeling, replaced a faulty sump pump and battery backup sump pump because his basement had recently flooded after both pumps failed, re-lit the pilot on his water heater that went out when the basement flooded and put in a new doorbell chime, transformer and the outside bell button as well as a few other miscellaneous repairs.

I do this type of stuff for folks all the time and am constantly annoyed and angry when I see what some “professionals” charge for poor quality, often improperly done work. Take the sump pumps for example. Neither the standard pump or the battery backup pump had check valves; a obvious code violation. What got me over to the house in the first place was being told that the idiots who did the original installation wanted $1400 to replace the equipment they installed improperly in the first place. So they not only did shoddy work but vastly overcharged for doing it. Grrrr….

I’m frankly astounded at some of the things I find. Went over to help my daughter-in-law’s dad with his house, which had no electricity in half the house. Her mom was trying to get home from a major illness and being in rehab, but the rehab folks refused to let her go home until the power issue was resolved (no power in the bedrooms or back bathrooms). Understandable, because she could be hurt trying to negotiate her way in the dark. I discovered the problem: the house had aluminum wiring and the idiots who did the wiring attached the wire to terminals clearly marked “CU ONLY”. Removed an outlet that was actually sparking and smoking and if it hadn’t been replaced would have started a fire. Quick trip to the store for aluminum rated outlets and $40 later, the house was safe and functional. How any real electrician could do this or worse, how any inspector would ignore it is perplexing.

Anyway, went over today and was treated to an authentic Ethiopian meal. Spicy and quite good. And then the traditional coffee, which involved actually cooking the coffee beans in a pan prior to brewing a thick, espresso like brew. Yum. They brought out the pan with the coffee beans during the heating, explaining that part of the ritual is to enjoy the fragrance during that part of the preparation.

We did end up discussing the current political situation a bit over coffee. No surprise that they have apprehension about the situation and some fear. I think it meant a lot to them to be treated with respect and welcome and care. And it let them know that not all old cranky white guys are bigots.

Although I’m an extreme introvert, it was a lovely afternoon with a beautiful family. Both the boys (9 and 11) gave me big hugs as I was leaving, as did the wife. Makes me incredibly sad that so many people would see them as enemies and want them gone.

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Ming5000  Mar 26, 2017 • 3:52:14am

re: #24 BlueGrl21

I had one of the supporters of the Freedom Caucus on Facebook with me. She and I had always been able to have respectful conversations. But last night, she went full into, “NOTHING EXCEPT FULL REPEAL is acceptable!!! We will never bend to the will of the welfare state!”

Yeah, no. I am fresh out of crazy people patience. Trying to cut back. Let’s just go our separate ways and call it a wrap.

We aren’t the only ones celebrating the death of this bill.

Ask them where they get their health insurance. If they get their health insurance through their employer they are a hateful, ignorant, narcissistic, sociopath.


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