Climate Scientist Faces Off With the Virulently Anti-Science House Science Committee

Appalling contempt for science
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At a congressional hearing on climate science Wednesday, Michael Mann lamented that he was the only witness representing the overwhelming scientific consensus that manmade global warming poses a major threat.

“We find ourselves at this hearing today, with three individuals who represent that tiny minority that reject this consensus or downplay its significance, and only one—myself—who is in the mainstream,” he said in his opening testimony.

Sitting on either side of Mann were the other three witnesses: Judith Curry, John Christy, and Roger Pielke, Jr.—scientists who have clashed with Mann in the past and are frequently sought after by Republican politicians who reject mainstream climate science. Curry recently defended EPA chief Scott Pruitt’s statement that scientists don’t know whether human activity is “a primary contributor” to global warming. Christy claims that climate models overstate the role of human activity. Pielke accepts the role greenhouse gasses play in warming but has drawn criticism for arguing that links between extreme weather and climate change have been overstated.

More: A Scientist Just Spent 2 Hours Debating the Biggest Global Warming Deniers in Congress | Mother Jones

The whole charade reminded me of Bill Nye debating Ken Ham, a fruitless exercise. But this is a hearing at the United States House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology with much wider and devastating implications. The shamelessness of these Republican pols* in denying the science behind climate change and dooming future generations of humans to catastrophic disasters boggles the mind. Dr. Michael E. Mann (@MichaelEMann) from Penn State has to be commended for undergoing two hours of hostile questioning, sitting between the GOP’s go-to climate science deniers, and a mind-numbing denial of science from members of the top science committee in Congress.

Watch the whole horrifying hearing.

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*The chairperson of the United States House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology is congressman Lamar S. Smith (R-TX). He’s not even a scientist, he’s a lawyer.

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285 comments

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teleskiguy  Mar 29, 2017 • 10:46:49pm
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Birth Control Works  Mar 30, 2017 • 7:41:07am
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Birth Control Works  Mar 30, 2017 • 7:41:34am

It’s all about who knew and who didn’t. Politicians and playing CYA.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 30, 2017 • 7:48:06am

We are in a “Second Cold War”?

Nobody told me.

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 30, 2017 • 7:49:27am

(paged 11-10-10)

This is from the The World We Live In, a coffee table size book published by Life magazine in 1955 and based on a series of science articles published in Life between 1952 and 1954:

Yet for the past century, temperatures have shown an upward trend. This has been particularly true in the last four decades (since 1915- SK), during which glaciers have been in retreat all around the world. The reasons for this gradual warming of the Earth cannot be defined with certainty. Along with water vapor and ozone, carbon dioxide helps to trap the Earth’s heat within the greenhouse of the atmosphere and prevents it from radiating away into space. In the last half century, the carbon dioxide ratio in the atmosphere has increased by 10%, a phenomenon which some attribute to expanding industry, pointing out that six billion tons of carbon dioxide pour from factory chimneys every year. (Emphasis added)

The article also speculates about other possible causes including deforestation and the disturbance of the soil. It wasn’t settled then, but it is now. This has been a serious concern of the scientific community for almost 60 years. The current consensus was not reached lightly. Calls for more research to settle the issue are simply a dishonest smokescreen put up by those who profit from the very dangerous status quo.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2017 • 7:50:31am

Proud of my Senator, Mark Warner for being the lead Dem on the Senate side of the investigation.

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 30, 2017 • 7:52:56am

re: #4 Birth Control Works

We are in a “Second Cold War”?

Nobody told me.

It’s still the same one, with the mailed fist of Russian autocracy shorn of its Marxist dogma and therefore better able to appeal to authoritarian elements in this country.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 30, 2017 • 7:53:10am

re: #4 Birth Control Works

We are in a “Second Cold War”?

Nobody told me.

I am no fan of Putin and do not think him a democrat or a man of peace, but Cold War terminology is terribly misleading.

Putin is working to restore the old Russian Empire, which extended into parts of Eastern Europe but had no designs beyond that.

Remember that there are millions of ethnic Russians that were left stranded outside of Russia with the collapse of the USSR.

Once a privileged, even pampered minority, they are now often discriminated against, and, without getting too Godw(h)iny about it, are a bit like Hitler’s Sudetenland Germans

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2017 • 7:54:19am

re: #8 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am no fan of Putin and do not think him a democrat or a man of peace, but Cold War terminology is terribly misleading.

Putin is working to restore the old Russian Empire, which extended into parts of Eastern Europe but had no designs beyond that.

I agree with that. Putin’s first and foremost a Russian nationalist. Once you realize that, you understand his motives and decisions more.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 30, 2017 • 7:55:40am

Yes, that what the common man in America is concerned about, “Is Donald Trump getting positive coverage at the Times?”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2017 • 7:56:21am

re: #10 Ace-o-aces

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Yes, that what the common man in America is concerned about, “Is Donald Trump getting positive coverage at the Times?”

You know that’s what coal miners are worried about. Snicker.

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makeitstop  Mar 30, 2017 • 7:56:33am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:00:04am

re: #12 makeitstop

Brownback vetoes KS Medicaid expansion.

What a prick.

Ideological purity over the interests of the people who elected him

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Jay C  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:01:37am

re: #12 makeitstop

Brownback vetoes KS Medicaid expansion.

What a prick.

And a hack, too: here’s his “rationale”

I am vetoing this expansion of ObamaCare because it fails to serve the truly vulnerable before the able-bodied, lacks work requirements to help able-bodied Kansans escape poverty, and burdens the state budget with unrestrainable entitlement costs.”
“Most grievously, this legislation funnels more taxpayer dollars to Planned Parenthood and the abortion industry. From its infancy, the state of Kansas has affirmed the dignity and equality of each human life. I will not support this legislation that continues to fund organizations that undermine a culture of life.”

Of his six “reasons”, five are buzzphrase political clichés, only one (the “costs” part) even remotely reality-based.

Anyone know the odds on an override?

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:03:18am

re: #14 Jay C

Most grievously, this legislation funnels more taxpayer dollars to Planned Parenthood and the abortion industry.

It would appear that none of these fuckers has ever heard of the Hyde Amendment.

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:03:41am

re: #13 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Ideological purity over the interests of the people who elected him

It’s important to note that the Kansas legislature, which is controlled by the GOP, has passed not only a Medicaid expansion plan (perhaps cynically knowing that Brownback would veto, and they didn’t have numbers for an override), but they also passed a repeal of his tax plan that has cratered state tax revenues, forcing massive cuts to the education and infrastructure budgets.

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:04:53am

Oh look, the Russia bots have been busy for a long time now:

That’s on top of the evidence that Russians were behind a move for California to secede.

Everything Russia is doing is part of a long term disinformation campaign designed to weaken the US. Targeting the 2016 election makes perfect sense as part of that strategy.

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makeitstop  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:04:56am

re: #14 Jay C

Anyone know the odds on an override?

Since both houses of the lege voted to expand, I’d hope that they’d throw it back in his face with extreme malice. But who the hell knows what they’ll do?

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calochortus  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:07:42am

re: #14 Jay C

And a hack, too: here’s his “rationale”

I am vetoing this expansion of ObamaCare because it fails to serve the truly vulnerable before the able-bodied, lacks work requirements to help able-bodied Kansans escape poverty, and burdens the state budget with unrestrainable entitlement costs.”
“Most grievously, this legislation funnels more taxpayer dollars to Planned Parenthood and the abortion industry. From its infancy, the state of Kansas has affirmed the dignity and equality of each human life. I will not support this legislation that continues to fund organizations that undermine a culture of life.”

Of his six “reasons”, five are buzzphrase political clichés, only one (the “costs” part) even remotely reality-based.

Anyone know the odds on an override?

I think we can restate his rationale in simpler terms. “I am vetoing this expansion of ObamaCare because someone, somewhere might get something they aren’t entitled to. In order to prevent this, we are willing to sacrifice the most needy and powerless among us.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:07:56am

re: #17 lawhawk

Everything Russia is doing is part of a long term disinformation campaign designed to weaken the US. Targeting the 2016 election makes perfect sense as part of that strategy.

They know where America is divided, weak and vulnerable and are very good at manipulating us on those terms.

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Belafon  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:08:50am

re: #14 Jay C

And a hack, too: here’s his “rationale”

I am vetoing this expansion of ObamaCare because it fails to serve the truly vulnerable before the able-bodied, lacks work requirements to help able-bodied Kansans escape poverty, and burdens the state budget with unrestrainable entitlement costs.”
“Most grievously, this legislation funnels more taxpayer dollars to Planned Parenthood and the abortion industry. From its infancy, the state of Kansas has affirmed the dignity and equality of each human life. I will not support this legislation that continues to fund organizations that undermine a culture of life.”

Of his six “reasons”, five are buzzphrase political clichés, only one (the “costs” part) even remotely reality-based.

Anyone know the odds on an override?

I believe the house was 3 votes shy of a veto override when it passed. They would need to get a few more people to try to override.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:08:51am

re: #18 makeitstop

There are still enough Kochsuckers in the Kansas legislature to uphold Brownback’s veto.

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Franklin  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:12:58am

re: #21 Belafon

I believe the house was 3 votes shy of a veto override when it passed. They would need to get a few more people to try to override.

Hopefully there were at least 3 that voted against the bill in hopes it would pass and not get vetoed, for political cover. Maybe they come to their senses now.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:17:16am

re: #14 Jay C

And a hack, too: here’s his “rationale”

I am vetoing this expansion of ObamaCare because it fails to serve the truly vulnerable before the able-bodied, lacks work requirements to help able-bodied Kansans escape poverty, and burdens the state budget with unrestrainable entitlement costs.”
“Most grievously, this legislation funnels more taxpayer dollars to Planned Parenthood and the abortion industry. From its infancy, the state of Kansas has affirmed the dignity and equality of each human life. I will not support this legislation that continues to fund organizations that undermine a culture of life.”

Of his six “reasons”, five are buzzphrase political clichés, only one (the “costs” part) even remotely reality-based.

Anyone know the odds on an override?

They were a few votes short of a veto proof majority. I guess it depends on whether any of the legislators who voted no to cover their asses with the base are willing to make a hard vote for the good of the state. Brownback has now made it about abortion, which may make it harder for them to vote to override.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:21:00am

Speaking of abortion, the Bevin Administration, after successfully closing one of the only two abortion clinics in Kentucky, is now trying to close the only abortion clinic in the state over a technicality. The ACLU is fighting the effort.

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Jay C  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:22:12am

re: #22 Joe Bacon

There are still enough Kochsuckers in the Kansas legislature to uphold Brownback’s veto.

Wouldn’t the large (if not quite veto-override level) margins for the Medicare expansion vote indicate that the Kochs are probably OK with it? If they own the KS lege as closely as popular imagination says, wouldn’t they have killed/tabled the bill well before this?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:22:54am

re: #25 Big Beautiful Door

Speaking of abortion, the Bevin Administration, after successfully closing one of the only two abortion clinics in Kentucky, is now trying to close the only abortion clinic in the state over a technicality. The ACLU is fighting the effort.

If they cannot get the courts to kill Roe v Wade, they will simply niclke and dime it to death using every technicality they can come up with.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:29:30am
*The chairperson of the United States House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology is congressman Lamar S. Smith (R-TX). He’s not even a scientist, he’s a lawyer.

But, but, but a JD is a doctorate! Pnwed, libtard!

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:33:12am

re: #26 Jay C

Wouldn’t the large (if not quite veto-override level) margins for the Medicare expansion vote indicate that the Kochs are probably OK with it? If they own the KS lege as closely as popular imagination says, wouldn’t they have killed/tabled the bill well before this?

No, it doesn’t. Brownback’s administration has been such a disaster that many of the Kochbots lost their legislative seats to less radical Republicans. The Kochs still want the poors to die.

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:39:34am

re: #18 makeitstop

Since both houses of the lege voted to expand, I’d hope that they’d throw it back in his face with extreme malice. But who the hell knows what they’ll do?

They’re both a handful of votes short of being able to do the override.

If I didn’t know better, I’d almost think it was kabuki theater to give the state GOP cover; they knew Brownback wouldn’t enact the laws, so they didn’t worry about having enough votes for the override - so they’d have cover in future elections against Kansas Democrats who’d portray them and the GOP as a bunch of craven corporatists who prioritize corporate profits and tax cuts over the people of the state.

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:41:22am

re: #27 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If they cannot get the courts to kill Roe v Wade, they will simply niclke and dime it to death using every technicality they can come up with.

That’s the insidiousness of the TRAP laws that have sprung up around the country.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:46:29am

re: #15 The Vicious Babushka

It would appear that none of these fuckers has ever heard of the Hyde Amendment.

Or more likely, they’ve heard about it but don’t care.

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ObserverArt  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:48:18am

Posted this in the last thread that came to an end and I didn’t notice as I was searching for info on what I posted. It was triggered off a comment by VB that had a tweet that stated: “Contributing Op-Ed Writer: When the President Is Ignorant of His Own Ignorance”

- - -

Speaking of ignorance, or is it just being obtuse, did anyone see or hear the exchange between the DEA head and Trump at the meeting Trump had regarding the drug problems in this country?

The DEA guy went on to a long explanation of how all the Oxycontin and Hydrocodone pain killers giving out by MDs and the drug industry got people hooked on opioids, then when people are no longer given ‘scripts they switch to the much cheaper and now prevalent heroin.

Trump then asked something like: do you see numbers that show this started to increase due to the lax border protection of the last 6 or so years (that Obama guy again!)?

He totally missed the damn point the DEA guy was trying to make. It is the prescription drugs given out like candy for so many years that caused the problem…not the damn border walls.

The freaking border wall is not going to stop heroin from getting into this country.

Maybe, just maybe if we didn’t create so many drug users “legally” we might not have the illegal problems.

And guess who made up this panel from the Trump side of the table?

reason.com - Donald Trump’s Opioid Commission Is Stacked With Prosecutors and 12-Steppers

Will any drug policy experts sit on Trump’s drug policy commission?

The Washington Post reports that President Donald Trump will announce today the creation of a federal opioid commission. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie will be the chair, and the rollout will feature a who’s who of federal bureaucrats, from Attorney General Jeff Sessions, to acting Drug Czar Richard Baum, to Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi.

- - CUT - - more at link

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:48:19am

re: #22 Joe Bacon

There are still enough Kochsuckers in the Kansas legislature to uphold Brownback’s veto.

So maybe Kansan voters will get a clue and stop voting against their own interests. I assume there will be Democratic candidates in their next state election.

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ObserverArt  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:54:09am

re: #14 Jay C

And a hack, too: here’s his “rationale”

I am vetoing this expansion of ObamaCare because it fails to serve the truly vulnerable before the able-bodied, lacks work requirements to help able-bodied Kansans escape poverty, and burdens the state budget with unrestrainable entitlement costs.”
“Most grievously, this legislation funnels more taxpayer dollars to Planned Parenthood and the abortion industry. From its infancy, the state of Kansas has affirmed the dignity and equality of each human life. I will not support this legislation that continues to fund organizations that undermine a culture of life.”

Of his six “reasons”, five are buzzphrase political clichés, only one (the “costs” part) even remotely reality-based.

Anyone know the odds on an override?

Does Brownback stand a chance of reelection?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:54:48am

jeebus…this guy…

I am sick and tired of hearing about Sheriff Jones.

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ObserverArt  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:55:31am

re: #15 The Vicious Babushka

It would appear that none of these fuckers has ever heard of the Hyde Amendment.

They do not care about the Hyde amendment. That gets in the way.

They are hellbent on ending abortion and they will lie their way to it. It is so Christian of them.

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Bubblehead II  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:56:37am

re: #32 Patricia Kayden

Or more likely, they’ve heard about it but don’t care.

They know about the Hyde amendment and its restrictions. So any argument about Federal funds being used for abortions is just a straw man. Their real argument is that any Federal funds received by PP for STD testing, mammograms, etc. frees up funds they receive from other sources (donations/ fees for services) that can then be used for providing abortions. If they don’t get Federal funding, then that money would have to be spent on non abortion services instead. There is some technical term for this but it eludes me at this time.

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Frenchy  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:57:05am

re: #34 Patricia Kayden

So maybe Kansan voters will get a clue and stop voting against their own interests. I assume there will be Democratic candidates in their next state election.

Psh, good luck with that. They reelected Brownback even with the absolute disaster he’s been. I guess b/c he’s not one of those librulz they’ve heard so much about on the AM radio.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:57:09am

re: #38 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus…this guy…

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I am sick and tired of hearing about Sheriff Jones.

What kind of fucked up jail allows a guard to carry a gun in the same area as inmates?

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ObserverArt  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:58:58am

re: #17 lawhawk

Oh look, the Russia bots have been busy for a long time now:

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That’s on top of the evidence that Russians were behind a move for California to secede.

Everything Russia is doing is part of a long term disinformation campaign designed to weaken the US. Targeting the 2016 election makes perfect sense as part of that strategy.

And they are using our own weakened citizens to accomplish it. This is what happens when you have crap like FOX News and Alex Jones. They actually facilitate the Russians and the Russians are smart enough to know it.

It isn’t even a Trojan horse. It’s more like the Russians sent the wood and other materials needed for the horse and we are building it for them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:59:06am

re: #42 Timothy Watson

What kind of fucked up jail allows a guard to carry a gun in the same area as inmates?

Sheriff Jones is an eejit

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makeitstop  Mar 30, 2017 • 8:59:42am

re: #32 Patricia Kayden

Or more likely, they’ve heard about it but don’t care.

Or they’re depending on the fact that their constituents don’t know about it, or don’t care.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:00:42am

re: #40 Bubblehead II

They know about the Hyde amendment and its restrictions. So any argument about Federal funds being used for abortions is just a straw man. Their real argument is that any Federal funds received by PP for STD testing, mammograms, etc. frees up funds they receive from other sources (donations/ fees for services) that can then be used for providing abortions. If they don’t get Federal funding, then that money would have to be spent on non abortion services instead. There is some technical term for this but it eludes me at this time.

Fungible?

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sagehen  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:01:05am

re: #4 Birth Control Works

We are in a “Second Cold War”?

Nobody told me.

Because it’s not.

When the Berlin Wall came down, that was not the end of the Cold War. It was halftime.

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Interesting Times  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:01:10am

re: #43 ObserverArt

It isn’t even a Trojan horse. It’s more like the Russians sent the wood and other materials needed for the horse and we are building it for them.

This is what I’ve been trying to say. It’s not like the Russians hacked into voting machines and altered results.

They didn’t need to.

The US is at a point where ~45% of people who bother to vote would happily approve a Russian annexation if it meant the Democrats could never be in charge again.

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Franklin  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:01:13am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:02:36am
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weave  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:03:17am

I live 10 minutes from the Appalachian Trail so I hike portions of it for pleasure and often meet through hikers and share stories.

A few days ago I met a couple in their late 50s who were hiking the entire length on a flip flop (started from Harper’s Ferry) to avoid the crowds. Turns out they are both married BUT NOT TO EACH OTHER. The man is married to the sister of the person he is spending six months hiking with — his sister-in-law. Both of their spouses are not interested in hiking but SINCE THEY BOTH LOVE THEIR SPOUSES AND TRUST THEM they are in full support of them doing the adventure together.

Trust and being trustworthy. A concept I guess many Christians can’t deal with. (And I’m the guy who works at a church saying that)

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Bubblehead II  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:04:02am

re: #46 Timothy Watson

Fungible?

Yes. Thank you.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:05:33am
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Franklin  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:08:16am
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Bubblehead II  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:08:46am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:10:09am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:13:20am
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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:13:21am

This will be the GOP talking point to combat the Russia efforts to tilt the 2016 election outcome and influencing the Trump White House.

Just watch.

It’s a deflection from affirmative acts taken by members of Trump’s cabal of cronies, that include lies by Flynn, Kushner, Sessions (under oath), etc., about their ties/meetings with Russians. It’s a deflection about Trump’s Russia business that remains hidden courtesy of refusing to release tax returns and other business data.

It’s a deflection by Nunes whose own actions demand recusal at a minimum, and he should more than likely be under investigation for breaking multiple federal laws, including obstruction of justice.

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makeitstop  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:14:13am

re: #33 ObserverArt

Speaking of ignorance, or is it just being obtuse, did anyone see or hear the exchange between the DEA head and Trump at the meeting Trump had regarding the drug problems in this country?

Rude Pundit has his usually, umm, trenchant take on that session…

Today, President Donald Trump, a man who could reasonably be called “addicted to his daughter,” had a “listening session” on drug abuse, especially the plague of opioid addiction that is ravaging the nation, hitting the working class especially hard. And while you could say, “Hey, man, give the guy a pass on this one because he’s actually talking about something that matters,” I could answer, “Hey, straw person, fuck off. That son of a bitch couldn’t give a single tweeting shit about people hooked on oxy and heroin.”

First off, Trump did what he always does. Instead of simply acknowledging the problem and that people are working on it, he turned it into the Next Thing Donald Trump Lies About Everyone Not Knowing About When It’s Really Just Him That Doesn’t Know It. Early in his remarks, he said, “This is a total epidemic, and I think it’s probably almost untalked about compared to the severity that we’re witnessing.” Then, because Trump always takes a claim and pumps it up like he’s injecting Edex right into his little dick to get it hard. “It’s really one of the biggest problems our country has, and nobody really wants to talk about it,” Trump said later, adding, “Vice President Pence mentioned this coming into the room. He said, this is a problem like nobody understands.”

Let’s put aside the fact that an HIV crisis broke out in a county in Indiana because Pence didn’t understand shit about heroin addiction when he was governor. And let’s acknowledge that there is a great deal more that needs to be done about the problem across the country. But as far as “nobody” talking about it? Motherfucker, it’s being talked about everywhere. Maine, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Alaska, fucking everywhere.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:16:36am

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

WOW. Former FBI agent Clinton Watts tells Senate Intel Cmte that his biggest fear isn’t Putin, but that his own govt doesn’t have his back.

Because our government has Putin’s back…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:19:26am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:20:53am
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Interesting Times  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:22:17am

re: #58 lawhawk

Oh for the love of…Dems lost the Senate in 2014, not the year given by “Truth Division” (as in Ministry of Truth, I suppose…)

Of course, it will now become yet another canon in the Book of Alternative Facts -_-

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:24:19am

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

At Sen. intel. hearing, GOP Sen. John Cornyn suggests Putin might have been hacking election just to undermine possible HRC presidency.

in other words, he was doing America a big favor…

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:25:38am

IOKIYAR

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Franklin  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:27:48am

re: #65 The Vicious Babushka

That’s just a simple math problem.

D1 - D2 = CWD

D1 = Today
D2 = Day Installed
CWD = Days into Civil War

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:29:17am
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Timothy Watson  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:29:32am

re: #66 Franklin

That’s just a simple math problem.

D1 - D2 = CWD

D1 = Today
D2 = Day Installed
CWD = Days into Civil War

No one said there would be math!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:30:40am

re: #25 Big Beautiful Door

Speaking of abortion, the Bevin Administration, after successfully closing one of the only two abortion clinics in Kentucky, is now trying to close the only abortion clinic in the state over a technicality. The ACLU is fighting the effort.

MS has been trying to do the same with our only clinic for years now. That case did go to court and the Clinic lawyers put up a compelling defense that, by closing the clinic, Mississippi would be unfairly shifting their constitutional burden to provide abortions to other states.

I haven’t checked on the case in awhile but I know the clinic is still open.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:32:48am

POEM OF THE DAY

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:34:53am

re: #68 Timothy Watson

No one said there would be math!

especially math with letters in it!!!

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Timothy Watson  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:38:09am

re: #71 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

especially math with letters in it!!!

Sharia Law Arabic Voodoo!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:40:00am

re: #72 Timothy Watson

Sharia Law Arabic Voodoo!

///

Al-qaida-gebra!!!

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Franklin  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:41:49am

Fine, no more math. Take out your poetry books and turn to page:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:45:05am

So it looks like the MS case was appealed to SCOTUS, who refused to hear it.

Thus the appeals court ruling will stand and the clinic will stay open for now.

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Franklin  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:46:28am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:46:59am

re: #74 Franklin

Landmass is red
People are blue
But the electoral college
Gives it all a red hue

On the other hand, the EC gave us Abraham Lincoln with less than 40% of the popular vote…

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Belafon  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:48:50am

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

On the other hand, the EC gave us Abraham Lincoln with less than 40% of the popular vote…

He won the plurality of the votes, so he would have won without the EC.

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Franklin  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:49:15am

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

On the other hand, the EC gave us Abraham Lincoln with less than 40% of the popular vote…

Many people don’t know about him. Great man. Doing great things.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:50:09am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:51:59am

re: #78 Belafon

He won the plurality of the votes, so he would have won without the EC.

Since we are drifting back to this discussion, I am for keeping the EC but I think it should represent the number of voters per state and not the number of congressional reps, and it should only kick in if no candidate wins an uncontested majority of popular votes.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:54:50am

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Who doesn’t love some hot asshole-on-wingnut action.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:56:40am

re: #82 Timothy Watson

Who doesn’t love some hot asshole-on-wingnut action.

when it comes to incorrigible, sociopathic assholes, I believe that DT has met his equal in the Freedom Caucus

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EPR-radar  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:57:16am

re: #79 Franklin

Many people don’t know about him. Great man. Doing great things.

And Lincoln was a Republican. Not widely known.

More seriously, I saw Lincoln a while back, and it was very disorienting to see a depiction of Republicans that weren’t all good-for-nothing scumbags like they are today.

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Franklin  Mar 30, 2017 • 9:59:09am
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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:07:24am

These GOP fuckers. Ryan again gives away game that his ultimate goal is to kill Medicare and Medicaid (and ostensibly every other government operated health care program, including TriCare):

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Franklin  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:09:42am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:10:18am
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Belafon  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:11:15am

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

If they somehow outlaw abortion, then I think Democrats need to propose a requirement that any woman leaving the country must submit to a pregnancy test to prove they’re not leaving to have an abortion. If they are pregnant, then they have to submit to another pregnancy test when they come back.

This white male is pissed off.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:11:49am

re: #86 lawhawk

These GOP fuckers. Ryan again gives away game that his ultimate goal is to kill Medicare and Medicaid (and ostensibly every other government operated health care program, including TriCare):

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Instead, we should let one of three megacorps decide your care.

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BeachDem  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:13:54am

re: #70 The Vicious Babushka

POEM OF THE DAY

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Mike Pence, who is two in command
Is one who cannot understand
How most find it fine
That spouses can dine
With women, and not lay a hand

alternative

I guess if you go with Mike Pence
Then women should have the good sense
To not be evolved
And not get involved
In business—it just makes men tense

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:14:43am

re: #86 lawhawk

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:14:54am

FUCK IT

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:16:11am

re: #90 Timothy Watson

OCP? Weyland Yutani? Megacorp? Zorg?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:17:22am

good grief

This exchange. YOHO: “[Nunes] answers to the president”. MELVIN: Does he? Or does he work for constituents? YOHO: “Well, you do both.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:17:49am

re: #94 lawhawk

OCP? Weyland Yutani? Megacorp? Zorg?

New Delta? Buy ‘n’ Large?

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:20:46am
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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:21:40am

re: #96 The Vicious Babushka

New Delta? Buy ‘n’ Large?

Those are too benign.

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:22:08am
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Dr Lizardo  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:24:29am

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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I thought he answered to the Constitution of the United States of America.

Silly me, amirite?

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bratwurst  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:25:29am

Let’s check in on how Tucker Carlson’s hard-hitting Fox News show is going:

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makeitstop  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:26:25am

re: #100 Dr Lizardo

I thought he answered to the Constitution of the United States of America.

Silly me, amirite?

His spokesbot says that he ‘misspoke.’ Uh-huh…

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:27:10am

re: #94 lawhawk

re: #96 The Vicious Babushka

re: #98 lawhawk

No worries, folks…….Dick Jones has got you covered.

Your medical treatment is under consideration.
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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:29:09am

re: #101 bratwurst

Let’s check in on how Tucker Carlson’s hard-hitting Fox News show is going:

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Omg who fucking cares. And Tucker wouldn’t know blue collar work if it bit him on his smug face.

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ObserverArt  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:29:36am

But it is okay for the government to tell women what to do with their lives, right Paulie???

What a clown. He can’t even lie and misdirect properly. That’s what happens when everything you do is aimed at the FOX News crowd. You gear down to their level of ignorance you become ignorant yourself.

Wait…Paulie Rand-Ryan may never have been all that bright anyway?

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:30:37am

LOLWUT those “dino romance” stories are real?

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Kragar  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:31:58am
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Kragar  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:35:12am
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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:36:04am

re: #34 Patricia Kayden

So maybe Kansan voters will get a clue and stop voting against their own interests. I assume there will be Democratic candidates in their next state election.

The two parties in Kansas are primarily the Kochbot/Brownback wing of the GOP and the anti-Brownback wing of the GOP. The Democrats are basically a third party.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:36:54am

re: #37 ObserverArt

Does Brownback stand a chance of reelection?

I don’t think he is eligible for a third term.

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ObserverArt  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:38:50am

re: #89 Belafon

If they somehow outlaw abortion, then I think Democrats need to propose a requirement that any woman leaving the country must submit to a pregnancy test to prove they’re not leaving to have an abortion. If they are pregnant, then they have to submit to another pregnancy test when they come back.

This white male is pissed off.

Almost need to put that in effect here in the U.S. too. I know it would be a burden on women, but damn you know there are going to be rich conservative women going around the laws.

This while male is pissed off too.

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:40:10am
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Joe Bacon  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:41:00am

re: #37 ObserverArt

Does Brownback stand a chance of reelection?

Yes. If he was allowed to run for a third term, all he has to do is say “Jesus, Jesus, Jesus” and he’d win in a landslide.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:42:22am

re: #112 lawhawk

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Lovely.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:43:09am

AUTOMATIC. BLOCKING. FUNCTION. TRIGGERED.

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:43:41am

There’s that name again. Flynn. His fingerprints are all over Russia-Trump connections.

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:44:56am

We’re heading down the rabbit hole here:

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:49:28am

re: #101 bratwurst

Let’s check in on how Tucker Carlson’s hard-hitting Fox News show is going:

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He’s “troubled”. About the game pieces on Monopoly. Give the man a Pultizer!/

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Timothy Watson  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:53:16am

re: #117 lawhawk

We’re heading down the rabbit hole here:

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Will McMaster stay or go?

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Kragar  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:54:04am
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jaunte  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:54:05am
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Franklin  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:54:10am

re: #119 Timothy Watson

Will McMaster stay or go?

If he goes, there will be trouble
And if he stays it will be double

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:54:33am

re: #119 Timothy Watson

Will McMaster stay or go?

I think he’ll eventually be gone. He’s actually intelligent and not a Trump hack.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:55:00am

re: #120 Kragar

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Yep.

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Kragar  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:55:11am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:55:29am

re: #118 Big Beautiful Door

He’s “troubled”. About the game pieces on Monopoly. Give the man a Pultizer!/

It must be nice to worry about such things.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:56:11am

re: #125 Kragar

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So supreme and so master racey.//

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jaunte  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:56:53am
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Interesting Times  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:57:27am

She might as well be describing America:

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Kragar  Mar 30, 2017 • 10:58:26am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:01:07am

re: #130 Kragar

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If you don’t believe in God, what’s stopping you from murder? //

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Kragar  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:04:36am

re: #131 HappyWarrior

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:06:00am

Here’s some reading for you, Lizards. The Handbook of Russian Information Warfare, published by the NATO Defense College Research Division. Authored by Keir Giles.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:06:09am

re: #132 Kragar

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It is so stupid.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:06:32am

re: #122 Franklin

If he goes, there will be trouble
And if he stays it will be double

Regret but one upding, etc.

Always nice when someone plays along with one on my lame jokes. :)

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makeitstop  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:06:42am

re: #121 jaunte

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Holy shit. That guy minces no words.

Good.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:08:08am

re: #126 HappyWarrior

It must be nice to worry about such things.

I think that’s called a “first world problem.”

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I cannot.  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:09:04am

re: #137 Big Beautiful Door

A 1% of the First World Problem, to be more specific.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:10:26am

re: #101 bratwurst

Let’s check in on how Tucker Carlson’s hard-hitting Fox News show is going:

“Monopoly replaces ‘blue collar’ pieces”

They were decided by popular vote and not the Electoral College

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Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:10:39am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:11:47am
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jaunte  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:12:27am

We see how it’s gonna be.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:13:11am
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jaunte  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:13:17am
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:13:36am
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Interesting Times  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:14:25am

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, if he means “unprecedentedly bad”, he’s actually telling the truth for once.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:14:48am

*blink*

“The president’s signed more legislation under the Congressional Review Act… then all previous presidents combined, already” says Spicer

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I cannot.  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:14:57am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:15:53am
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jaunte  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:16:58am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:17:09am
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KGxvi  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:17:32am

re: #146 Interesting Times

Well, if he means “unprecedentedly bad”, he’s actually telling the truth for once.

That’s not fair. Trump has been the same transparently terrible human being as long as he’s been a public figure (which is pretty much my entire lifetime). He’s just doing that as president now.

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Jay C  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:17:54am

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, Lyin’ Spice makes at least one valid point about the Trump Administration’s “transparency”: his tortured bullshit spin on things is so bad that everyone can see right through it!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:18:14am
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Kragar  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:18:18am

re: #150 jaunte

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jaunte  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:18:36am
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gocart mozart  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:18:40am

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:19:52am
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Kragar  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:20:02am

re: #153 Jay C

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Timothy Watson  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:20:03am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:20:30am
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KGxvi  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:20:41am

re: #150 jaunte

Yes, because all of politics and law is not at all about process. I mean, it’s not like there’s two clauses in the constitution that talk about the due process of law.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:20:59am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:22:05am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:23:16am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:25:39am

Did Trump direct anyone in admin. to try & find info to back up wiretapping claim? Spicer: “Um, I don’t — I’m not aware of anything…”

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KGxvi  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:26:44am

Does anyone else get the feeling that Spicer is just going to snap one day at a press briefing and say something like:

Look, what the fuck you want me to say? This guy is a fucking clown who has no fucking idea what he’s doing? Yeah, he is. We all know this, I mean, look at his track record. Of course he’s lying and of course he’s breaking the law, that’s what he does. That’s who he is and that’s who he’s always been. Fuck this shit, I’m out.

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Kragar  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:27:06am

re: #167 KGxvi

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KGxvi  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:28:51am

re: #168 Kragar

Ok, that’d actually be more entertaining for me, but only because “SQUIRREL!” is a joke in my family about how easily distracted so many of us can be about different things.

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Franklin  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:30:39am

Decisions, decisions. Just got these two books, which to read first? (LGF Amazon links, if you buy, you help the lizardim).

Stories of Your Life and Others (includes short story the movie Arrival was based on)
Watergate

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Kragar  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:31:33am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:31:44am
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BeachDem  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:32:06am

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It would be glorious if, instead of attending a Spicer “press conference” at which, obviously no questions are ever answered anyway, the press corps would instead get together at another location and play Monopoly with the new “non-WWC” game pieces.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:32:32am
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mmmirele  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:33:09am

Can I just say that I find Pence’s rule that he never eats with a woman not his wife to be flatly crazy? Last week my manager’s manager came over to the office (he usually works at home) and he invited me to lunch, which was really nice of him. We had a great conversation, it was in public, and nothing happened. We are, after all, professionals.

I find this hyper Billy Graham rule to be stupid and demeaning of women. Trust me, Pence, we don’t want to jump your bones.

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jaunte  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:33:27am
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Skandal  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:33:35am

re: #168 Kragar

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:33:49am
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Kragar  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:35:16am
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BlueGrl21  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:36:11am

I am enjoying watching the Senate Intelligence Committee work together in a determined bipartisan fashion. I am also enjoying TREMENDOUSLY how Burr, Warner, McCain, Graham, and others are telling the House, “The adults are in the room now. We’ll take it from here. No, we won’t be using any of your work. Go play with Trump.”

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Kragar  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:37:29am

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

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BeachDem  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:38:26am

Speaking about Nunes, that bastion of intelligence, the aptly named, Ted Yoho said

“You’ve got to keep in mind who he works for. He works for the President, he answers to the President,” Yoho replied.

His staff later said he “mispoke.”

Could his answer have been any clearer? Reminds me of the “two pickets to Titsburgh” joke.

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Targetpractice  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:39:06am

re: #167 KGxvi

Does anyone else get the feeling that Spicer is just going to snap one day at a press briefing and say something like:

Given Spicer’s actions up to date, I expect his blowup to be more:

Look, I don’t have to answer to you people because I work for Donald Trump! We won the election, which means the American people are behind us 100% and the press can’t do anything to change that! Nothing you say or print can change that! Now I’m done with this shit, this briefing is over and so are all future briefings. GET OUT!

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BlueGrl21  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:40:28am

re: #175 mmmirele

Can I just say that I find Pence’s rule that he never eats with a woman not his wife to be flatly crazy?

I’m in tech. I could not function in my profession if I could not go to business lunches and dinners with men. They outnumber me by a lot.

That’s the ridiculous thing about all of this. People have their marriage contracts and norms they work out, that’s fine. But how is a professional woman supposed to function in her career if she’s not supposed to go anywhere alone with a man? And how is a man supposed to function if he can’t go to any lunch or dinner meetings alone with a woman?

Hell, I travel globally alone with my male boss. We stay in the same hotel, alone! We go to lunch and dinner! And we’re both happily married to other people!

Man, the Pences live in a bubble.

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KGxvi  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:40:30am

re: #175 mmmirele

Can I just say that I find Pence’s rule that he never eats with a woman not his wife to be flatly crazy? Last week my manager’s manager came over to the office (he usually works at home) and he invited me to lunch, which was really nice of him. We had a great conversation, it was in public, and nothing happened. We are, after all, professionals.

I find this hyper Billy Graham rule to be stupid and demeaning of women. Trust me, Pence, we don’t want to jump your bones.

I’ve a friend on facebook who is (or was) involved in politics. She thinks it’s a good rule to have because she thinks “everyone will get set up” at some point. I tend to agree with you that it’s crazy.

But when I first heard it, it made me wonder if there was an incident early in their marriage. If Pence might have had a wandering eye, so to speak.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:42:33am

re: #34 Patricia Kayden

So maybe Kansan voters will get a clue and stop voting against their own interests. I assume there will be Democratic candidates in their next state election.

The main problem with hoping Americans will vote for their own best “self interests” is that those self-interests have changed over the last few decades. Early 20th Centruy self-interest was was based on strong unions and faith in government institutions.Those notions have been under successful attack for 50 years by an Ayn Rand-tinged quasi Libertarianism and as a result the common American’s idea of “self interest” is knowing there are the 0.1% Have’s and the rest are to be grinded under the boot of Laissez-Faire Captialism.

The object now for the common man is to become one of the exploiters, and be able to exploit the other 99.9%. That is the alarming “self-interest” now of a large percentage of Americans, and the reason why wages and other standards of living are stagnant or falling.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:42:42am
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jaunte  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:42:57am
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Targetpractice  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:43:23am

re: #180 BlueGrl21

I am enjoying watching the Senate Intelligence Committee work together in a determined bipartisan fashion. I am also enjoying TREMENDOUSLY how Burr, Warner, McCain, Graham, and others are telling the House, “The adults are in the room now. We’ll take it from here. No, we won’t be using any of your work. Go play with Trump.”

Senate Republicans known they don’t have the luxury of going home to “safe” districts next year. They’ll have to go home to blue or purple states and answer for why they’re covering Trump’s ass when his approval ratings are sunk in the Challenger Deep.

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:43:31am

re: #171 Kragar

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:44:31am

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

The WAVES office. They’re still obstructing and delaying on providing information that should be public knowledge.

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jaunte  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:44:40am

Breakdown.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:46:11am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:46:38am
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KGxvi  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:49:28am

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, if a story comes out with someone talking on background or identified as an anonymous source in the Trump Administration, we can now assume that was Spice talking earlier today?

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Jay C  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:51:13am

re: #192 jaunte

Most probably because the President the Administration Steve Bannon is busily studying the Venezuelan crisis to figure out how they he can rig the system to govern without Congress…

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:53:32am

Looks like Nunes is lying… again.

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KingKenrod  Mar 30, 2017 • 11:56:13am

Pence’s meeting rules about women sounds like some Promise Keepers bullshit.

Basically a man isn’t just supposed to be faithful, he is supposed to remove all doubt from the woman’s mind that he is being unfaithful.

It assumes women are jealous and suspicious by nature - they can’t control themselves! So the man has to be strong and remove all doubt.

Supposedly a “sensitive” twist on the same old crap.

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Kragar  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:00:41pm

re: #198 KingKenrod

Its really weird considering how much of the Trump base says they’re scared of Sharia Law

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Kragar  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:03:51pm
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makeitstop  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:04:25pm

I can’t vouch for Palmer Report, but he’s got an interesting take on why Nunes performed his public throat-slitting.

Five weeks ago I reported that the House Intel Committee investigation into Trump-Russia would reach a dead end after cursory hearings, but that the Senate Intel Committee investigation into Trump-Russia would be a thorough one that could take him down. Despite some crazy twists and turns along the way, that’s pretty much where we’re at now. I didn’t have a crystal ball. It was just easy to do a headcount for each commitee based on what their members were saying. But Donald Trump was too busy being distracted by a shiny object.

Over the past month cable news has chosen to hype the House investigation, presumably as part of some kind of ratings ploy, while largely pretending the far more important Senate investigation didn’t exist. This seems to have led cable news addict Trump to conclude that he had to stop the House investigation at all cost, thus why he had Devin Nunes set himself on fire.

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Bubblehead II  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:06:30pm

New Bob Cesca show

Shake Weight: The great Jacki Schechner joins us for the hour; Healthcare, Healthcare, Healthcare; How Trumpcare died; Why the GOP doesn’t understand healthcare; Nobody Likes Paul Ryan; Trump vs the Freedom Caucus; Medicare For All; The Public Option; Tom Price can undermine Obamacare at HHS; Trump asks women empowerment summit about Susan B Anthony; and more.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:09:25pm

re: #200 Kragar

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gocart mozart  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:15:40pm
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KGxvi  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:15:58pm

While I like college sports, I don’t like how businessy it has become while athletes typically get screwed. But I’ll give the NCAA credit on this one:

North Carolina lawmakers voted Thursday to roll back the HB2 “bathroom bill” in a bid to end the backlash over transgender rights that has cost the state dearly in lost business projects, conventions and basketball tournaments.

The compromise plan, announced Wednesday night by the state’s Democratic governor and leaders of the Republican-controlled legislature, was worked out under mounting pressure from the NCAA, which threatened to take away more sporting events.

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Kragar  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:20:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:22:03pm

re: #206 Kragar

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The feeling is mutual Granny starving douche.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:22:44pm

re: #181 Kragar

Spicer: “Its a math strategy.”

[Insert A Beautiful Mind joke here.]

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Timothy Watson  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:26:29pm

re: #204 gocart mozart

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Trying to figure out if I have a bigger crush on Lauren Duca or @RVAWonk.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:27:45pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:28:48pm

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Claudius. He’s great. Has a crazy nephew but great guy.

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makeitstop  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:29:21pm

re: #209 Timothy Watson

Trying to figure out if I have a bigger crush on Lauren Duca or @RVAWonk.

Duca, if only for that ‘Oh, Honey’ she served up to Tucker Carlson that time.

She straight up owned him in that interview.

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:30:44pm

re: #212 makeitstop

Duca’s on twitter too: @laurenduca

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Timothy Watson  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:30:44pm

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Did he get a bill too?

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ObserverArt  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:31:05pm

re: #197 lawhawk

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Looks like Nunes is lying… again.

I am dreaming of a Devin Nunes perp walk.

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Franklin  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:38:57pm

Has this started? Link?

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:40:10pm
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Franklin  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:40:43pm
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Timothy Watson  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:41:21pm

Couldn’t get through the first paragraph of this story without getting stabby:
Democrats can’t get over Ivanka Trump

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EPR-radar  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:41:28pm

re: #162 KGxvi

Yes, because all of politics and law is not at all about process. I mean, it’s not like there’s two clauses in the constitution that talk about the due process of law.

Republican “process” is sedition verging on treason. Naturally they don’t want to talk about it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:42:35pm

re: #219 Timothy Watson

Couldn’t get through the first paragraph of this story without getting stabby:
Democrats can’t get over Ivanka Trump

Trump has made her an issue. Pardon Democrats for having a problem with blatant nepotism.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:44:40pm

re: #179 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Shhhhhhhhhh! Keep this on the DL from Alex Jones!

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Interesting Times  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:46:43pm

If this is real, I want to know who the company is so I can order their stuff:

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:46:59pm

re: #217 lawhawk

Excellent sleuthing by Feinberg.

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freetoken  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:47:58pm

On topic: The House committee couldn’t care less about science. Various members may actually like science. But what they are about is getting re-elected, and for the Republicans, especially from places like Texas, that means snuggling up to the fossil fuel industry.

Lamar Smith knows who butters his bread. He knows who baked his bread, who sliced it, who toasted it and brought it to his table.

Big Oil.

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Franklin  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:49:22pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:49:27pm

re: #198 KingKenrod

Pence’s meeting rules about women sounds like some Promise Keepers bullshit.

Basically a man isn’t just supposed to be faithful, he is supposed to remove all doubt from the woman’s mind that he is being unfaithful.

It assumes women are jealous and suspicious by nature - they can’t control themselves! So the man has to be strong and remove all doubt.

Supposedly a “sensitive” twist on the same old crap.

Underneath all this bullshit is the disgusting core idea of patriarchy — women are chattel, to be owned first by their fathers and later by their husbands, occasionally by brothers.

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Kragar  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:53:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:55:11pm

re: #228 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Can’t wait for Lumpy who always claims he’s a conservative first to defend this.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:55:51pm
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gwangung  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:57:40pm

re: #225 freetoken

On topic: The House committee couldn’t care less about science. Various members may actually like science. But what they are about is getting re-elected, and for the Republicans, especially from places like Texas, that means snuggling up to the fossil fuel industry.

Lamar Smith knows who butters his bread. He knows who baked his bread, who sliced it, who toasted it and brought it to his table.

Big Oil.

Lysenkoism.

Another lesson learned from their Russian masters.

Sold out their country for power.

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EPR-radar  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:57:41pm

re: #225 freetoken

On topic: The House committee couldn’t care less about science. Various members may actually like science. But what they are about is getting re-elected, and for the Republicans, especially from places like Texas, that means snuggling up to the fossil fuel industry.

Lamar Smith knows who butters his bread. He knows who baked his bread, who sliced it, who toasted it and brought it to his table.

Big Oil.

I despise nearly everything about Republicans, but my most absolute contempt is reserved for their anti-science views.

For dealing with questions within its domain, science has worked so much better than its competition of dogma and superstition that there is simply no contest. You use the methods of science to deal with scientific questions, or you are an idiot. Pick one.

Creationism and climate change denial are core elements of US conservatism, which makes the entire movement willfully idiotic.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:58:28pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 30, 2017 • 12:58:32pm

re: #230 FormerDirtDart

I can’t wait for that graph to look like an image of a striking snake.

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Kragar  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:00:06pm

re: #229 HappyWarrior

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:00:10pm

This is the first mission with a used booster. One commenter suggests putting aircraft style “mission marks” on the side of the booster.

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:00:48pm

re: #224 goddamnedfrank

Just goes to show how tough it is to be anonymous online. All it takes is a few tidbits, and you can find out all other details.

Which is why the GOP vote to enable ISPs to sell data to 3d parties will come back to bite the GOP in the ass hard. I’m guessing that the first person to buy data relating to the GOPers’ browsing records will need hazmat suits and make Pence reconsider being in a room with any of them because they can’t help themselves (to whoever is available, regardless of gender or toe tapping).

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wrenchwench  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:00:53pm

re: #223 Interesting Times

If this is real, I want to know who the company is so I can order their stuff:

[Embedded content]

Deray’s vest?

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EPR-radar  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:01:54pm

re: #229 HappyWarrior

Can’t wait for Lumpy who always claims he’s a conservative first to defend this.

Lumpy will do what he is told to do. It seems unnatural to even know the names of such apparatchiks of the present-day Ministry of Truth.

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lawhawk  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:04:39pm

Reminder: When the GOP says Obamacare is failing, it’s not. It’s private insurers who want to game the system and think that they need to make even more money and attempt to extort concessions to do so:

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:05:31pm

re: #239 EPR-radar

Lumpy will do what he is told to do. It seems unnatural to even know the names of such apparatchiks of the present-day Ministry of Truth.

I know. I just want to see him attack something called the Reagan Battalion to defend Trump.

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William Lewis  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:06:10pm

Grump. Attempted to replace my 500gb drive with a 1tb drive today and ran into an odd little sata cable on that dell laptop unlike any I’d dealt with before. Not quite gentle enough, I ripped it. I am now very thankful for USB booting! On chat & holding for Dell support to find the cost of the new cable.

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makeitstop  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:07:48pm

Is anyone watching the Schiff presser? Anything newsworthy come out of it?

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wrenchwench  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:12:02pm

What exactly is the relationship between the free press and the 50% off press?

/

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:13:35pm

re: #240 lawhawk

I’m just hoping the public is staying relatively on top of this charade by insurers and holds Republicans accountable in the 2018 cycle. Sending Republicans packing and a public town hall outcry for MORE Obamacare will send a message to insurers they are on the losing side if they think they can play this “woe is me” game while the CEO’s are recording record payouts.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:14:14pm

This Just In!

Mike Pence demanded Mrs. Butterworth’s removal from his restaurant table!

Developing…

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:15:39pm

re: #237 lawhawk

Just goes to show how tough it is to be anonymous online. All it takes is a few tidbits, and you can find out all other details.

Reminds me of last year when my ex wife started following and replying to my @goddamnedfrank Twitter account. We’re friendly and all but I was still kind of like damn girl you know too fucking much about me to have tracked that shit down from the username alone.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:15:48pm

re: #235 Kragar

Barbarians and aristocrats, the lot of them.

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wrenchwench  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:16:49pm
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Interesting Times  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:18:29pm

re: #237 lawhawk

Just goes to show how tough it is to be anonymous online. All it takes is a few tidbits, and you can find out all other details.

And the account is still up as of 4:18 PM EST:

@projectexile7

I don’t think it ever tweeted anything, but the “Likes” list is intact.

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Franklin  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:19:24pm

re: #250 Interesting Times

And the account is still up as of 4:18 PM EST:

@projectexile7

I don’t think it ever tweeted anything, but the “Likes” list is intact.

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BeachDem  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:20:34pm

re: #219 Timothy Watson

Couldn’t get through the first paragraph of this story without getting stabby:
Democrats can’t get over Ivanka Trump

The article is indeed stab worthy, but most of the comments are great, for example:

“She should be working out of her father’s private study so that she can rush in to the Oval Office at the first sound of a disturbance or a misguided tweet.” I used a baby monitor for my first toddler so I could “rush” in at the first sign of trouble.

and

Gee, a President with zero public service experience give a White House office to his daughter with zero public service experience, just down the hall from the White House office of her husband, who also has no government experience.
Gee, nothing to see here, so I’ll just move along. Ed. don’t forget to submit this writing sample with your next job application.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:20:50pm

Speaking of dinos…

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Interesting Times  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:22:48pm

re: #253 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Speaking of dinos…

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He voted for racist keebler elf Jefferson Beauregard Sessions the Third, so no surprise there. That still leaves 7 more Dem votes to get to 60 (52 GOPers + manchin = 53)

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wrenchwench  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:25:53pm

Now I know why rwnjs need to be so virulently anti-gay. They don’t want to have to eat alone at every meal.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:26:16pm

Pence really has no idea that he opened himself up to a class action gender discrimination suit.

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Kragar  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:26:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:28:06pm

re: #256 goddamnedfrank

Pence really has no idea that he opened himself up to a class action gender discrimination suit.

[Embedded content]

Yeah that’s true.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:29:00pm

re: #255 wrenchwench

Now I know why rwnjs need to be so virulently anti-gay. They don’t want to have to eat alone at every meal.

I eat alone a lot. And I’m okay with it and I’m pro gay.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:29:40pm

re: #254 Interesting Times

He voted for racist keebler elf Jefferson Beauregard Sessions the Third, so no surprise there. That still leaves 7 more Dem votes to get to 60 (52 GOPers + manchin = 53)

I expect Heidencamp to be a yes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:31:16pm

re: #260 HappyWarrior

I expect Heidencamp to be a yes.

Feinstein still won’t say how she’ll vote.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:31:42pm

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

Feinstein still won’t say how she’ll vote.

I think she’ll ultimately be a no but I could be wrong.

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William Lewis  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:33:13pm

re: #242 William Lewis

Grump. Attempted to replace my 500gb drive with a 1tb drive today and ran into an odd little sata cable on that dell laptop unlike any I’d dealt with before. Not quite gentle enough, I ripped it. I am now very thankful for USB booting! On chat & holding for Dell support to find the cost of the new cable.

“Thank you for waiting. I’ve confirmed that this part is not available currently. I’m afraid I will be unable to provide any guarantees as to timeframes or if this part will become available again at all…”

Oh, peachy. Guess my laptop became a desktop booting from an external drive. I wonder if I can find one at digikey…

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ObserverArt  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:37:10pm

re: #263 William Lewis

“Thank you for waiting. I’ve confirmed that this part is not available currently. I’m afraid I will be unable to provide any guarantees as to timeframes or if this part will become available again at all…”

Oh, peachy. Guess my laptop became a desktop booting from an external drive. I wonder if I can find one at digikey…

Did you try Amazon? They might have a source they work with that displays and sells through them. I find all kinds of cables there.

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William Lewis  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:37:15pm

re: #263 William Lewis

“Thank you for waiting. I’ve confirmed that this part is not available currently. I’m afraid I will be unable to provide any guarantees as to timeframes or if this part will become available again at all…”

Oh, peachy. Guess my laptop became a desktop booting from an external drive. I wonder if I can find one at digikey…

Ok, google is my friend today. Found the right part at a surplus dealer. $23 including “cheap” USPS shipping. grump.

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Bubblehead II  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:37:19pm

re: #263 William Lewis

“Thank you for waiting. I’ve confirmed that this part is not available currently. I’m afraid I will be unable to provide any guarantees as to timeframes or if this part will become available again at all…”

Oh, peachy. Guess my laptop became a desktop booting from an external drive. I wonder if I can find one at digikey…

Well here’s a link you might want to look at.

parts-people.com

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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:38:07pm

re: #264 Interesting Times

[Embedded content]

Well Rick, I hate to be that guy but your ideology has a lot of problems even sans Trump. Too many conservatives are threatened by modernity.

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William Lewis  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:38:18pm

re: #265 ObserverArt

Found one elsewhere but I’ll look at Amazon just in case of a cheaper alternative.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:40:35pm

re: #258 HappyWarrior

Yeah that’s true.

He’s fucked. Any female staffer or Indiana State employee who he passed over for a promotion given to a man can point to his statements as prima facie evidence that his decision was illegally discriminatory.

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William Lewis  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:42:08pm

re: #267 Bubblehead II

No joy there, thank you though. I’ve book marked it for possible future needs.

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Skip Intro  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:42:55pm

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Fuck! So he finally found a job for Tiffany.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:43:26pm

re: #226 Franklin

[Embedded content]

Shameful.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:43:47pm
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Bubblehead II  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:44:48pm

re: #271 William Lewis

No joy there, thank you though. I’ve book marked it for possible future needs.

Since I don’t know what model you have, I just punched in Dell laptop sata cable. Book marked it myself as I need a new laptop myself and their refurbs don’t look all that bad.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:45:24pm

re: #242 William Lewis

Have you tried Ebay?

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wrenchwench  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:49:22pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:50:06pm

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

Republicans lying to provide cover for their lying piece of shit POTUS*. They defile everything they touch.

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William Lewis  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:50:07pm

Oy. Bad to worse. One of my backup drives just ate itself and is now throwing ext4 errors - unable to load journal file. Sigh. I’m going back to bed for awhile…

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:52:27pm

re: #257 Kragar

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:54:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2017 • 1:56:11pm

re: #281 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

Nunes needs to be removed from investigating now or two weeks ago.

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gocart mozart  Mar 30, 2017 • 2:12:04pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Mar 30, 2017 • 2:44:07pm

re: #283 gocart mozart

Ha!

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jeffreyw  Mar 30, 2017 • 3:53:42pm

re: #263 William Lewis

“Thank you for waiting. I’ve confirmed that this part is not available currently. I’m afraid I will be unable to provide any guarantees as to timeframes or if this part will become available again at all…”

Oh, peachy. Guess my laptop became a desktop booting from an external drive. I wonder if I can find one at digikey…

I kept an old Dell laptop going with parts from Ebay. An old Inspiron. Hell I bought one for parts. You tube has tear down and repair videos on an amazing range of stuff.


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