Acoustic Guitar Master Jon Gomm Does Radiohead: “High and Dry”

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Guitar Tab finally available for this song at jongomm.com Every technique is explained. It’s a complete walkthrough guide to the song.

High And Dry is the 7th video from from the Acoustic Asylum series. Get the song and album and Pay What You Want from jongomm.com Also on iTunes j.mp or Google Play j.mp or Amazon j.mp

I’ve been playing this song for the best part of two decades. For my very oldest fans and friends, this is the one they think of when they think of me, even though it’s a cover. I love the song deeply. I’ve always been convinced it’s about Gene Kelly’s character in the movie “Viva Kneivel!”, an alcoholic ex-stunt motorcyclist.

Performance wise, this arrangement channels Michael Hedges maybe more than anything else I’ve ever come up with. Not just the guitar techniques, but the vocal, even the bare feet.

I’ve played it better than this, but I’ve played it worse. It’s kinda slow: I was a bit bipolar, so I’m dragging it back, fighting myself, and I probably over-compensated. Maybe that makes it me.

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236 comments

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Dave In Austin  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:34:41pm
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Anymouse  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:45:28pm
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Joe Bacon  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:50:08pm

re: #1 Dave In Austin

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But I thought a certain TV Preacher said Obama was in hiding because he was afraid of being arrested for treason…

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Anymouse  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:53:51pm

April Fool’s Day joke from the Los Alamos County Daily Post:

Whie House Announces Border Wall Between Colorado and New Mexico

More at the link:

In keeping with campaign pledges made in the 2016 presidential election, the Trump Administration announced that a groundbreaking for the first stage of a border wall between the United States and Mexico would be conducted today.

In a surprise to many New Mexicans, a press release from the White House made clear that the groundbreaking ceremony would be very close-to-home for residents of the Land of Enchantment. What caused some confusion was that it would also be along the border with New Mexico and Colorado.

During a press conference Friday afternoon, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer informed the White House press pool that the groundbreaking would occur at a pull-off along US Highway 285 south of Antonito, Colo. and about 15 feet north of the border between the United States and New Mexico. Most members of the media did not take notice of the location but CNN correspondents did ask for clarification since Colorado does not actually border the nation of Mexico. Unfortunately due to an ongoing dispute between Spicer and the CNN network those questions were ignored.

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Anymouse  Apr 2, 2017 • 9:04:24pm

starherald.com

A lawyer representing the four embattled beer stores in Whiteclay, Nebr. (pop. 12, which sell millions of cans of beer across the state line to the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation) claims the attempt to revoke their licenses (due to lack of policing in Whiteclay) is “politically motivated.”

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mmmirele  Apr 2, 2017 • 9:20:00pm

re: #5 Anymouse

starherald.com

A lawyer representing the four embattled beer stores in Whiteclay, Nebr. (pop. 12, which sell millions of cans of beer across the state line to the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation) claims the attempt to revoke their licenses (due to lack of policing in Whiteclay) is “politically motivated.”

Oh gosh, isn’t this some of that regulation Trump wants to get rid of? Of course these four liquor stores should be able to sell millions of cans of beer a year, even if their product kills and maims people?

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allegro  Apr 2, 2017 • 9:23:30pm

re: #6 mmmirele

Oh gosh, isn’t this some of that regulation Trump wants to get rid of? Of course these four liquor stores should be able to sell millions of cans of beer a year, even if their product kills and maims people?

My first thought on this was a bit different. Mine was if adults want to buy beer they should be able to. Is this a keep the firewater away from Injuns motivated thing? I dunno.

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Anymouse  Apr 2, 2017 • 9:26:33pm

re: #6 mmmirele

Oh gosh, isn’t this some of that regulation Trump wants to get rid of? Of course these four liquor stores should be able to sell millions of cans of beer a year, even if their product kills and maims people?

This has been a fight that has been going on for a long time here.

The Pine Ridge Reservation is dry. Whiteclay is right on the state line in Sheridan County (the county to my northeast). The reservation and South Dakota have been trying to get Nebraska to rein in the beer sales in Whiteclay for years.

It finally became an issue to people in Nebraska, and people in the state have turned against the beer stores in question. Sheridan County is the licensing authority for the stores, and it makes a significant fraction of its county budget from those licenses.

The county just renewed the licenses, which are subject to review by the liquor control board. The board cited inability to properly police Whiteclay (Sheridan County does not have a sufficiently large sheriff’s department - like my county they have their one car and one deputy).

Under state law, inability to properly police an area is grounds to deny a liquor license.

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Anymouse  Apr 2, 2017 • 10:12:04pm

This ought to work well.

Reps. Warren Davidson (R-Ohio 8th) and Ted Budd (R-NC 13th) introduced the “Drain the Swamp Act” (really).

It would require all agency headquarters in Washington to relocate their headquarters outside the DC Metro area.

Davidson claims the reason for this is five of the ten richest counties in the USA are around Washington.

He also has no concept of how much such a thing would cost, why it is more efficient and effective for government workers to be near each other, &c. In short, he’s a small-l libertarian conservative.

davidson.house.gov

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Single-handed sailor  Apr 2, 2017 • 10:13:26pm

re: #9 Anymouse

This is why we shouldn’t elect stupid people.

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allegro  Apr 2, 2017 • 10:14:23pm

re: #9 Anymouse

Because the problem is geography not corruption. O.o

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teleskiguy  Apr 2, 2017 • 10:16:33pm

re: #9 Anymouse

Talk about rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. These fools are full-blown whack-a-loons.

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Anymouse  Apr 2, 2017 • 10:18:50pm

Note too that the cities around Washington are all liberal in nature. There is the “punish the enemies of the state” issue as well.

Moreover, it would destroy countless small businesses in the area of northern Virginia and southern Maryland.

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freetoken  Apr 2, 2017 • 10:19:14pm

re: #9 Anymouse

This idea stretches back to Carter’s time. It went nowhere.

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Anymouse  Apr 2, 2017 • 10:20:27pm

re: #14 freetoken

This idea stretches back to Carter’s time. It went nowhere.

I was unaware of that. Who proposed it back then?

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teleskiguy  Apr 2, 2017 • 10:21:28pm

On topic:

I used to hate this song. I thought The Bends was an excellent album, but this song just felt so out of place on that pretty darned loud album.

This version is very pretty.

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freetoken  Apr 2, 2017 • 10:22:56pm

re: #15 Anymouse

I was unaware of that. Who proposed it back then?

I think some wonks, maybe even Democratic wonks. It was part of a bigger picture they were pushing, along with basically redefining the powers of the States.

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Anymouse  Apr 2, 2017 • 10:34:21pm

wonkette.com

Being Wonkette, the headline as well as the comments are NSFW.

Russ Douthat claimed on Twitter (since deleted, but a screen shot was saved by Wonkette) that conservatives have better sex than liberals, because conservatives have a higher libido.

(If they have a higher libido, which he asserted with no evidence, I’m guessing it’s because of sexual repression.)

Trigger warning for pictures of Russ Douthat in the article.

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Single-handed sailor  Apr 2, 2017 • 11:51:33pm

For you insomniacs, here is a Dan Aykroyd flick. Not that he can cure insomnia, it’s just really long. CBC’s ‘The Arrow’..

CBC’s “The Arrow”

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teleskiguy  Apr 3, 2017 • 12:25:10am

Whoa. That’s a stroller?!?

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freetoken  Apr 3, 2017 • 12:25:33am

Even when mama is out, the kittens roll themselves into a big ball of fur to sleep, automatically. Presumably to keep warm:

Gaia’s Kittens (fosters for Purrfect Pals)

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teleskiguy  Apr 3, 2017 • 1:37:36am
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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 3:25:46am

Only a couple days after stating the government’s attempt to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, Teresa May’s government says it is prepared to go to war to defend Gibraltar’s sovereignty.

Spain dropped its opposition to Scottish independence (Spain opposed it on the grounds it might encourage Spanish regions to do the same) to seek entrance into the EU.

Gibraltar voted overwhelmingly in the Brexit referendum to remain in the EU.

This is exactly the sort of thing the EU was intended to eliminate (warfare between European nations).

Spain has abandoned plans to stop an independent Scotland from joining the EU amid an escalating row with Britain over the future of 
Gibraltar.

Alfonso Dastis, the Spanish foreign minister, said his Government will not block a future Scottish EU membership bid, giving a boost to Nicola Sturgeon.

It came as Sir Michael 
Fallon, the Defence Secretary, suggetsed that Britain is ready to go to war to defend the sovereignty of Gibraltar. He vowed to go “all the way” to protect the territory.

telegraph.co.uk (more at The Telegraph)

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Dave In Austin  Apr 3, 2017 • 3:41:56am

Must have been an early morning poop.

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freetoken  Apr 3, 2017 • 3:43:23am
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freetoken  Apr 3, 2017 • 3:43:58am

re: #24 Dave In Austin

Good grief.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 3, 2017 • 3:47:45am

re: #23 Anymouse

Only a couple days after stating the government’s attempt to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, Teresa May’s government says it is prepared to go to war to defend Gibraltar’s sovereignty.

Spain dropped its opposition to Scottish independence (Spain opposed it on the grounds it might encourage Spanish regions to do the same) to seek entrance into the EU.

Gibraltar voted overwhelmingly in the Brexit referendum to remain in the EU.

This is exactly the sort of thing the EU was intended to eliminate (warfare between European nations).

telegraph.co.uk (more at The Telegraph)

This is the Crimean conflict transplanted onto the mainland. Russia insists that an overwhelming majority of the Crimeans voted to to Urainexit and become Russians.

SO what happens in the case of a majority vote for Gibraltrexit?

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 4:05:40am

re: #27 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is the Crimean conflict transplanted onto the mainland. Russia insists that an overwhelming majority of the Crimeans voted to to Urainexit and become Russians.

SO what happens in the case of a majority vote for Gibraltrexit?

I’m not sure what’s up here. Gibraltar’s last referendum was to overwhelmingly stay in the United Kingdom. The Treaty of Utrecht specifies that a referendum to leave the United Kingdom means the territory returns to Spain.

The many times I travelled to Gibraltar by car, the border between Gibraltar and Spain was always backed up (the Spanish seemed to hassle people on UK passports, but always just waved me through on an American one).

Under Franco, Spain tried to force Gibraltar to “give up” and rejoin Spain with a blockade of the border and cessation of telecoms (something like the Berlin blockade). That failed.

Since Franco died, other than hassling people at the border Spain has been pretty much quiet about the Gibraltar issue. This round seems to have been touched off by the UK’s Defence Minister (not by Spain).

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 3, 2017 • 4:14:21am

re: #9 Anymouse

This ought to work well.

Reps. Warren Davidson (R-Ohio 8th) and Ted Budd (R-NC 13th) introduced the “Drain the Swamp Act” (really).

It would require all agency headquarters in Washington to relocate their headquarters outside the DC Metro area.

Davidson claims the reason for this is five of the ten richest counties in the USA are around Washington.

He also has no concept of how much such a thing would cost, why it is more efficient and effective for government workers to be near each other, &c. In short, he’s a small-l libertarian conservative.

davidson.house.gov

Matthew Yglesias on Vox in December suggested relocating federal agencies to rustbelt cities as a sort of economic stimulus.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 3, 2017 • 4:17:32am

re: #29 Big Beautiful Door

Matthew Yglesias on Vox in December suggested relocating federal agencies to rustbelt cities as a sort of economic stimulus.

In other words, Keynesian economics at work…

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 4:24:01am

re: #29 Big Beautiful Door

re: #30 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I can see how that would work: The Department of Agriculture in Manhattan, NASA in Idaho, the Department of Homeland Security in Kansas… .

Looks like a Wealthcare for Construction Contractors programme to me. Where would all the money for all that come from (I’m guessing the “revenue-neutral” guys in the GOP would want to strip it from social programmes.)

Heaven forfend we put all the government agencies that work together, I don’t know, in the same place legislators do their work, say, Washington.

Would they just abandon the Pentagon, or find someone to move it?

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 3, 2017 • 4:26:38am

It’s up and rage-Tweeting

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Lani  Apr 3, 2017 • 4:27:06am

re: #30 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

In other words, Keynesian economics at work…

Right. Because the people who make those agencies function well are going to move their families away from some of the best public schools in the nation and the rich cultural heritage on display at the Smithsonian.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 3, 2017 • 4:27:32am

re: #31 Anymouse

Heaven forfend we put all the government agencies that work together, I don’t know, in the same place legislators do their work, say, Washington.

Would they just abandon the Pentagon, or find someone to move it?

Cut it into five pieces (army, navy, air force, procurement, intelligence) and move one to Arkansas, Alabama, Montana, Nevada and Maine repsectively

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 3, 2017 • 4:27:54am

Totally disconnected from reality. Get him into a padded room.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 3, 2017 • 4:29:55am

re: #35 The Vicious Babushka

Totally disconnected from reality. Get him into a padded room.

Hillary and Russia is a major theme with him today. Wonder why.

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 4:32:05am

re: #33 Lani

Right. Because the people who make those agencies function well are going to move their families away from some of the best public schools in the nation and the rich cultural heritage on display at the Smithsonian.

Didn’t you know? They already moved all that stuff to my town.
theonion.com

BROADWATER, NE—In a move aimed at protecting the nation’s natural and historical heritage from potential threats, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security announced this week it had relocated all major American landmarks into one big, carefully guarded pile in the center of the country.

Spanning 25 square miles in a remote section of western Nebraska, the densely packed, 5,000-foot-high mound is said to contain every prominent national monument, historically designated building, and notable piece of public infrastructure from across the United States.

(more at The Onion, including a photo of the giant pile of landmarks piled just outside my village)

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 4:36:19am

A thread regarding the globalisation of racism:

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Major Tom  Apr 3, 2017 • 4:41:36am

re: #16 teleskiguy

On topic:

I used to hate this song. I thought The Bends was an excellent album, but this song just felt so out of place on that pretty darned loud album.

This version is very pretty.

Just saw Thom Yorke and co in Miami a couple days ago. Radiohead has always been one of my favorite bands… and I always skip High and Dry when I play The Bends… This is a good version though.

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 4:52:30am
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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 4:56:50am
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Lani  Apr 3, 2017 • 4:58:15am

re: #38 Anymouse

I’ve been following this movement with horror. I don’t know what to do about it except keep speaking out about it and hope that most of us refuse to allow it to consume us.

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 5:01:16am

On this day, my wife’s first cousin thrice-removed (Jesse James, related through Cole Younger) was killed. Interesting familial tidbit (to me anyway).

My brother-in-law (her brother) got even with the Northfield Bank some years ago … he bought a house they repossessed … the land paperwork was fouled up though, and because of that he got the house next to it for nothing. Northfield Bank tried to get out of it, but the title company said to them “too bad.”

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 5:18:10am

A young apparent Sanders supporter is running in New Jersey for the US House under the GOP banner, apparently because the Democrats aren’t changing fast enough for her tastes.

(SMH)

I’m sure the GOP and its voters will be opening their arms in welcome to her. /s

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 3, 2017 • 5:22:52am

BLIND TRUST Y’ALL

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Donkey With No Name  Apr 3, 2017 • 5:23:49am

re: #9 Anymouse

This is some kind of weird Midwestern obsession. I’ve had otherwise reasonable people from Ohio insist to me that Federal agencies need to be moved outside Washington, never mind that many already are (eg CDC) or that in any case the vast majority of Federal employees are outside Washington anyway.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 3, 2017 • 5:24:24am

re: #34 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Cut it into five pieces (army, navy, air force, procurement, intelligence) and move one to Arkansas, Alabama, Montana, Nevada and Maine repsectively

Already been done. Much of the Pentagon’s work is done at Field Operating Agencies (FOAs), including ours in Lower Alabama. We were on the phone to our liaison office when the disputed airliner flown by alleged terrorists hit the imaginary building.

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 5:25:26am

re: #46 Donkey With No Name

This is some kind of weird Midwestern obsession. I’ve had otherwise reasonable people from Ohio insist to me that Federal agencies need to be moved outside Washington, never mind that many already are (eg CDC) or that in any case the vast majority of Federal employees are outside Washington anyway.

I haven’t heard anyone here suggest it; they’d mostly like to keep the Feds away (except of course things like Ag checks).

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LastYearsMan  Apr 3, 2017 • 5:26:19am

re: #19 Single-handed sailor

For you insomniacs, here is a Dan Aykroyd flick. Not that he can cure insomnia, it’s just really long. CBC’s ‘The Arrow’..

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Video

Hey! My grandfather worked on the Arrow. Or so said family lore.

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Donkey With No Name  Apr 3, 2017 • 5:27:50am

re: #48 Anymouse

Rust belt Midwestern, to be more specific.

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Jay C  Apr 3, 2017 • 5:28:24am

re: #23 Anymouse

re: #27 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think there’s somewhat less than meets the eye here regarding the latest Gibraltar flap: there were some misunderstandings about the territory which were or weren’t mentioned in the formal Brexit negotiations, whereupon some senior Tory politician shot his mouth off on TV about Thatcher and the Falklands ( yeah, I know: what a shock!), and the press picked up on it to try to make a BFD over the belligerent tone (another shocker: war talk sells papers/ads!).
Formally, the Government (intelligently) dismissed the military-action talk: but it’s embarrassing nevertheless- the Gibraltar situation just points out another flaw in the argument that Brexit is going to be some grand triumph of whatever.
I think a more important news item was that Spain made a public statement (unnecessarily right now IMO, but never mind) that they wouldn’t veto EU membership for an independent Scotland, if it ever comes to that.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 3, 2017 • 5:28:59am

re: #48 Anymouse

I haven’t heard anyone here suggest it; they’d mostly like to keep the Feds away (except of course things like Ag checks).

On a grander scale, much of DC’s work is done at the 11 (12) Federal regions. Has been since the ’70s or so. Now that we’ve retired the stagecoaches on the Boston Post Road, 11 regions is a better way to organize 350 million people than 50-60 accidental “states”.

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Amory Blaine  Apr 3, 2017 • 5:30:32am

Monday morning lunacy, coming from the top.

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 5:32:14am

re: #53 Amory Blaine

Monday morning lunacy, coming from the top.

I discovered this morning there are no Girl Scouts in Girl Scout Cookies, nor men in a Manwich.

Who knew?

Thank goodness I have the Internet to educate me on this stuff.

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Amory Blaine  Apr 3, 2017 • 5:33:32am

Something light:
Connecticut may become first U.S. state to allow deadly police drones

Connecticut would become the first U.S. state to allow law enforcement agencies to use drones equipped with deadly weapons if a bill opposed by civil libertarians becomes law.

The legislation, approved overwhelmingly by the state legislature’s judiciary committee on Wednesday, would ban so-called weaponized drones in the state but exempts agencies involved in law enforcement. It now goes to the House of Representatives for consideration.

The legislation was introduced as a complete ban on weaponized drones but just before the committee vote it was amended to exclude police from the restriction.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 3, 2017 • 5:34:26am

re: #54 Anymouse

I discovered this morning there are no Girl Scouts in Girl Scout Cookies, nor men in a Manwich.

Who knew?

Thank goodness I have the Internet to educate me on this stuff.

They don’t even sell Samoas around here, just some kind of commie Caramel Delights.

girlscouts.org

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Amory Blaine  Apr 3, 2017 • 5:37:37am

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7 Girl Scout cookies you thought you were getting but aren’t

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 5:38:49am

re: #56 Decatur Deb

They don’t even sell Samoas around here, just some kind of commie Caramel Delights.

girlscouts.org

We don’t have any sales close to us.

My favourite are the trefoils. (They also make for a good pie crust, but a very expensive way to make one.)

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Decatur Deb  Apr 3, 2017 • 5:41:50am

We don’t buy enough Girl Scout cookies, but we buy way too many.

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 5:46:05am

re: #59 Decatur Deb

We don’t buy enough Girl Scout cookies, but we buy way too many.

When I was stationed in Rota, Spain, the base Girl Scout troop would have their cookies delivered by Navy C-130 aircraft to the base. (I’m not sure whether the Girl Scouts had to pay for that or whether the Navy offered it as a morale thing.)

There were always scores of volunteers to unload the aircraft to get the cookies to the Girl Scouts.

The cookies were also very popular out in town; Spanish nationals bought them by the planeload.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 3, 2017 • 5:51:42am

re: #60 Anymouse

When I was stationed in Rota, Spain, the base Girl Scout troop would have their cookies delivered by Navy C-130 aircraft to the base. (I’m not sure whether the Girl Scouts had to pay for that or whether the Navy offered it as a morale thing.)

There were always scores of volunteers to unload the aircraft to get the cookies to the Girl Scouts.

The cookies were also very popular out in town; Spanish nationals bought them by the planeload.

Hope they got to dead-head them in. Our boyscouts in Korea got Christmas trees from somewhere, looked like they were dragged behind a tramp steamer.

Once flew from Aviano to Thessaloniki on a C-130. The only things on the milk run were me and a pallet of toilet paper. The guys at the artillery detachment were much happier to see the toilet paper.

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Fineday  Apr 3, 2017 • 5:52:49am

News media are reporting that several people have been killed or wounded in what appears to be one or two bomb explosions inside a train in Skt. Petersburg, Russia.

No matter what, and no matter where, terrorism is always inexcusable acts of cowardice.

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 5:52:55am

Chuck Todd is chucktodding again:

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 5:54:14am

re: #61 Decatur Deb

Hope they got to dead-head them in. Our boyscouts in Korea got Christmas trees from somewhere, looked like the were dragged behind a tramp steamer.

Once flew from Aviano to Thessaloniki on a C-130. The only things on the milk run were me and a pallet of toilet paper. The guys at the artillery detachment were much happier to see the toilet paper.

LOL.

I once flew in a P-3 from Sicily to Rota … sitting between the equipment racks on a fold-down bench.

It was probably warmer outside.

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freetoken  Apr 3, 2017 • 5:56:33am

re: #63 Anymouse

Chuck Todd is a Beltway Bubble type, whose reality is distorted by his geography only stretching from DC to NYC, without any stops by the Departments of Reality located in between.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 3, 2017 • 5:56:44am
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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2017 • 5:59:05am

Here’s a familiar story. To whom does someone turn when national banks refuse to lend money to them? Why, Russian banks, of course! And I’m not talking about Trump.

None other than Marine Le Pen got beaucoup loans from Russian banks for her presidential campaign. Read this story and reflect on how familiar it sounds.

bbc.com

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Decatur Deb  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:00:40am

re: #64 Anymouse

LOL.

I once flew in a P-3 from Sicily to Rota … sitting between the equipment racks on a fold-down bench.

It was probably warmer outside.

A buddy’s adventurous wife flew space-a on a KC-135 from Hawaii to Korea. She got to watch a refueling from the boom operator’s window. That would have been a kick.

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:01:49am

re: #65 freetoken

Chuck Todd is a Beltway Bubble type, whose reality is distorted by his geography only stretching from DC to NYC, without any stops by the Departments of Reality located in between.

Mr. Trump is seventy years old. I don’t really think he is going to change now.

(I might start wondering about the power of prayer and religious faith if he did. I’m pretty sure Mr. Trump is not going to derail my lack of faith.)

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:03:00am

re: #68 Decatur Deb

A buddy’s adventurous wife flew space-a on a KC-135 from Hawaii to Korea. She got to watch a refueling from the boom operator’s window. That would have been a kick.

The only time I flew on a cargo plane was to land on an aircraft carrier on a C-2. Being yanked to a stop in three hundred feet was not fun.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:03:49am

Possible terrorist attack in Russia subway. 10 casualties reported (St. Petersburg)

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lawhawk  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:03:58am

re: #32 The Vicious Babushka

Charles Gaba has a stream of tweets where he’s asking Trump whether he’s apologized for the Central Park 5 (where he took out an ad calling for them to be executed even though all 5 were exonerated). Or Khan (for attacking a Gold Star Parent). Or Clinton (take your pick). Or Obama (for Birtherism).

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:04:29am

re: #67 wheat-dogg

Here’s a familiar story. To whom does someone turn when national banks refuse to lend money to them? Why, Russian banks, of course! And I’m not talking about Trump.

None other than Marine Le Pen got beaucoup loans from Russian banks for her presidential campaign. Read this story and reflect on how familiar it sounds.

bbc.com

You’d almost think that Russian banks are trying to buy Western politicians. (Makes me wonder if there is some digging to do in Dr. Jill Stein’s financials.)

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lawhawk  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:04:54am
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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:05:31am

re: #69 Anymouse

Mr. Trump is seventy years old. I don’t really think he is going to change now.

(I might start wondering about the power of prayer and religious faith if he did. I’m pretty sure Mr. Trump is not going to derail my lack of faith.)

It would take a major “road to Damascus” event to get Trump to change his ways. I don’t see one happening, since Trump rarely ventures outside his little bubble of security.

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lawhawk  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:07:21am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:07:52am

Also, shouldn’t the implication be Hillary got the QUESTIONS first?

Details, details

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Decatur Deb  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:08:55am

re: #70 Anymouse

The only time I flew on a cargo plane was to land on an aircraft carrier on a C-2. Being yanked to a stop in three hundred feet was not fun.

Our (Army) commander made 1-star and went through a multi-service “Charm School”. He was very impressed with a carrier landing, but said the wildest thing was a run with the Coast Guard SAR boats out of Cape Disappointment. They cancelled training on his first try because the weather was too nice.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:09:00am

re: #75 wheat-dogg

It would take a major “road to Damascus” event to get Trump to change his ways. I don’t see one happening, since Trump rarely ventures outside his little bubble of security.

Maybe God can catch him on the cart path sometime.

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:13:00am

re: #78 Decatur Deb

Our (Army) commander made 1-star and went through a multi-service “Charm School”. He was very impressed with a carrier landing, but said the wildest thing was a run with the Coast Guard SAR boats out of Cape Disappointment. They cancelled training on his first try because the weather was too nice.

When I was in VA-75 (the Sunday Punchers, an A-6 squadron), we had an Air Force pilot attached to the squadron as part of a Navy/Air Force exchange programme. (I’m not sure of the details about that, but I gather it was to teach members of the opposite service about tactics and strategy.)

After his first nighttime carrier landing, the Air Force pilot addressed the squadron at quarters, saying “I’ll never rag on Navy pilots again.”

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Decatur Deb  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:13:29am

Good training day at Cape Disappointment

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:14:12am

re: #81 Decatur Deb

Good training day at Cape Disappointment

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Surf’s up.

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jeffreyw  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:19:28am

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Good morning!

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lawhawk  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:30:50am
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Skip Intro  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:33:15am

re: #72 lawhawk

Charles Gaba has a stream of tweets where he’s asking Trump whether he’s apologized for the Central Park 5 (where he took out an ad calling for them to be executed even though all 5 were exonerated). Or Khan (for attacking a Gold Star Parent). Or Clinton (take your pick). Or Obama (for Birtherism).

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Trump is confusing being shown a question (which Fox did for him as well) with being given the answers (which is how he made it through school).

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Skip Intro  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:34:59am

re: #73 Anymouse

Putin’s goal is to completely destabilize the west. So far he’s doing an A+ job of it.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:35:23am

re: #85 Skip Intro

Trump is confusing being shown a question (which Fox did for him as well) with being given the answers (which is how he made it through school).

Hillary knows all the answers, anyway. She didn’t need to cheat.

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Franklin  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:36:30am

NY/Brooklyn Folks:

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:36:39am

We all thought my mom would make it to 100. She did all the right things, didn’t smoke, exercised, had an active life, lots of friends, her mother lived to 100. But she got called 7 years ahead of time.

You can make all the plans you want but sometimes plans are made for you.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:37:56am

re: #86 Skip Intro

Putin’s goal is to completely destabilize the west. So far he’s doing an A+ job of it.

The Dutch elections went against Geert Wilders. I’m hoping both France and Germany can also reject the “populist” candidates, who all seem to be in Putin’s pocket. The UK, sadly, is stumbling toward the edge of a cliff with this Brexit nonsense.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:38:37am

re: #9 Anymouse

It would require all agency headquarters in Washington to relocate their headquarters outside the DC Metro area.

Davidson claims the reason for this is five of the ten richest counties in the USA are around Washington.

davidson.house.gov

He actually says:

“Five out of ten of the richest counties in the country are located in Washington. Something is wrong here,” said Davidson. “In addition to cost benefits, my hope is that government agencies will reorient themselves to what is most important- the people they serve.”

Not to be snarky, Davidson (ok, I’m being snarky) there are no counties in Washington, D.C.; Washington state is different, but I don’t think he meant the state.

That bill will never go anywhere, but what does he mean by getting bureaucrats to live near the people they affect? Are we going to all telework from all over the county, ‘cause relocating the an office building to a new location won’t change squat. And, dispersing employees to be among the people to get their perspective is a tad ineffectual when it comes to actually being able to do parts of our job. Let alone the fact that we need to be physically near the center of power for certain aspects of our jobs. He gonna pay to relocate me from my house and family and friends and my life because he thinks it’s “a bad THING”?

“Inside the beltway” is not a physical location issue on thought, it is an institutional issue. These people do not understand didly. Currently, I work (location wise) outside the beltway. It has zero effect on how this Federal Agency thinks. Gah.

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Skip Intro  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:39:19am

re: #89 The Vicious Babushka

I have no desire to live long enough to,end up in a retirement home where scum like Paul Ryan can sneak in and steal a blue puzzle piece to us as a lapel pin.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:40:19am

re: #92 Skip Intro

I have no desire to live long enough to,end up in a retirement home where scum like Paul Ryan can sneak in and steal a blue puzzle piece to us as a lapel pin.

Neither did my mom.

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Skip Intro  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:42:40am

re: #90 wheat-dogg

The Dutch elections went against Geert Wilders. I’m hoping both France and Germany can also reject the “populist” candidates, who all seem to be in Putin’s pocket. The UK, sadly, is stumbling toward the edge of a cliff with this Brexit nonsense.

Le Pen was counting on Trump’s popularity to give her a boost. It turns out most of France hates Trump so that may not work out so well for her.

Germany is where my concerns lie.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:44:04am

re: #94 Skip Intro

Le Pen was counting on Trump’s popularity to give her a boost. It turns out most of France hates Trump so that may not work out so well for her.

Germany is where my concerns lie.

Same here.

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:44:26am

Well, I’m out for the morning. Village board meeting this evening - probably ought to get a little sleep before that.

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Belafon  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:46:45am

To all of those who thought Perez would be a bad choice to head the DNC:

On Friday, Democratic National Chairman Tom Perez told activists that anti-Trump protests “were hitting the Trump administration where it hurt,” and added that if Trump or his Republican minions had a problem with protesters considering his election illegitimate, well:

“I don’t care, because they don’t give a shit about people.”

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Birth Control Works  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:46:47am

Trump SIL going to Iraq —why do I think this is a bad idea?

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Birth Control Works  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:47:54am

re: #89 The Vicious Babushka

We all thought my mom would make it to 100. She did all the right things, didn’t smoke, exercised, had an active life, lots of friends, her mother lived to 100. But she got called 7 years ahead of time.

You can make all the plans you want but sometimes plans are made for you.

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No, I don’t want to make it to 100.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:49:01am

re: #98 Birth Control Works

Trump SIL going to Iraq —why do I think this is a bad idea?

He won’t be able to take all the oil no matter how many Ivanka-branded Louis Vuitton suitcases he brings.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:50:20am

re: #73 Anymouse

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Belafon  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:50:52am

re: #91 Colère Tueur de Lapin

If he really wanted to change that, he would make a law requiring that no lobbyist can live within 300 miles of Washington DC.

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makeitstop  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:51:16am

re: #88 Franklin

NY/Brooklyn Folks:

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Shared on my Facebook feed, thanks. Hopefully my Brooklyn friends can help.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:51:39am

re: #102 Belafon

If he really wanted to change that, he would make a law requiring that no lobbyist can live within 300 miles of Washington DC.

But what would he do after he leaves office?

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Birth Control Works  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:51:59am
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Birth Control Works  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:53:10am

re: #100 The Vicious Babushka

He won’t be able to take all the oil no matter how many Ivanka-branded Louis Vuitton suitcases he brings.

Is it wrong for me to think that it is not a good thing to send a Jew? (or former Jew)

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lawhawk  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:53:47am
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lawhawk  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:55:05am

Seriously, this is entirely screwed up. There’s supposedly a blind trust in place that is neither blind, nor a trust, and Trump can take money without disclosing it?

Yeah, that’s entirely legit. /

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:56:12am

re: #102 Belafon

If he really wanted to change that, he would make a law requiring that no lobbyist can live within 300 miles of Washington DC.

231. (Trump Tower is 232 miles from DC).

Half /

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:56:29am

re: #106 Birth Control Works

Is it wrong for me to think that it is not a good thing to send a Jew? (or former Jew)

I think Jared represents every stereotype of the sneaky, crafty, conniving, plotting, slippery, sleazy Juice that you see in Stormfront memes. When he fucks up it will be very bad for other Jews but he thinks that he is bulletproof.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:57:47am

There’s been a lot of dirty laundry aired about Fox News recently over allegations that host Bill O’Reilly spent much of his career at the network settling sexual harassment lawsuits.

A close look at former network star Megyn Kelly’s book, Settle For More, reveals her view that Fox’s internal company culture may be designed to carry water for harassers.

Speaking about former chief Roger Ailes, who Kelly accused of harassment (which was part of the reason he was shown the door), Kelly wrote that “the entire structure was set up to isolate and silence” accusers, and that those who did come forward previously “didn’t manage to effect any change.”

The explanation, while obviously just the opinion of the author, could go a long way toward explaining why Bill O’Reilly has retained his grip at the network while Fox News has spent millions of dollars to make his accusers disappear.

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Teukka  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:58:14am

Reading about the bombing in the St Petersburg Metro, and I find myself wondering whether this is a legit bombing, or if this is a “false flag” to be used as an excuse for crackdowns or something.
Am I becoming too cynical and/or jaded?

*invokes 24h rule*

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Birth Control Works  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:59:35am

re: #110 The Vicious Babushka

I think Jared represents every stereotype of the sneaky, crafty, conniving, plotting, slippery, sleazy Juice that you see in Stormfront memes. When he fucks up it will be very bad for other Jews but he thinks that he is bulletproof.

I have a hard time imagining that the Iraqi officials won’t see it as less than diplomatic.

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Jay C  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:59:53am

re: #106 Birth Control Works

Is it wrong for me to think that it is not a good thing to send a Jew? (or former Jew)

Well, other than it being just generally wrong to send Jared Kushner anywhere - with a return ticket, that is - I don’t think the Iraqis give a crap about his religion. They probably care more (and/or fear) because he’s the President’s son-in-law and an Administration bigwig - a combination not alien to Middle-Eastern countries.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2017 • 7:00:49am

re: #114 Jay C

Well, other than it being just generally wrong to send Jared Kushner anywhere - with a return ticket, that is - I don’t think the Iraqis give a crap about his religion. They probably care more (and/or fear) because he’s the President’s son-in-law and an Administration bigwig - a combination not alien to Middle-Eastern countries.

Certainly not unfamiliar to Iraqis

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Birth Control Works  Apr 3, 2017 • 7:01:34am
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Birth Control Works  Apr 3, 2017 • 7:04:44am
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Timothy Watson  Apr 3, 2017 • 7:05:36am

re: #117 Birth Control Works

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 3, 2017 • 7:05:59am

re: #102 Belafon

If he really wanted to change that, he would make a law requiring that no lobbyist can live within 300 miles of Washington DC.

This is truly a part of the crux of the wealth around D.C. The K Street faction, etc., are making a lot more money than the Feds who live in the surrounds. The pay adjustment for living in the DC-Metro area is so high because of the COL, it does not create that COL.

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Teukka  Apr 3, 2017 • 7:06:16am

Snipped from my news feed:
Toronto Star: Americans’ right to protest is in grave danger, UN warns

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Birth Control Works  Apr 3, 2017 • 7:09:53am
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Jay C  Apr 3, 2017 • 7:11:21am

re: #108 lawhawk

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Seriously, this is entirely screwed up. There’s supposedly a blind trust in place that is neither blind, nor a trust, and Trump can take money without disclosing it?

Yeah, that’s entirely legit. /

Probably not: but the big problem is that said “legitimacy” or “legality” is likely to depend on political (rather than judicial) actors to define and/or (sadly, probably only in our dreams) enforce. And with the current GOP Congress, what are the likely chances of that?

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Birth Control Works  Apr 3, 2017 • 7:18:34am

Gingrich: All ‘real evidence’ of Russian influence points to Dems

But Gingrich dodged questions Sunday about whether there needs to be a special investigation into the ties or if the Senate Intelligence Committee should take the lead, as questions swirl about House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes’s independence from the White House.

“There is no crime here, I don’t know what the crime would be, and a zero question of crime by the Trump people,” Gingrich said.

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lawhawk  Apr 3, 2017 • 7:19:05am

If it’s a day ending in Y, it must be another day of delays, derailments, and more disruptions for mass transit in/out of NY Penn Station.

This time, it’s a NJ Transit train that derailed. No service in/out of NY Penn for Amtrak or NJ Transit, and LIRR trains are being cancelled as well.

There was another derailment little more than a week ago.

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lawhawk  Apr 3, 2017 • 7:20:17am

re: #123 Birth Control Works

Gingrich, who still hasn’t paid off his campaign debts from 2012 is deflecting and projecting criminality on to Democrats?

Where’s my shocked face.

He’s got absolutely nothing to go on except projection. Even Senate Republicans know that there’s some serious shit going on with Trump, his cronies, and the Russians.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 3, 2017 • 7:29:59am

re: #67 wheat-dogg

Wow!! That is astounding.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 3, 2017 • 7:32:25am

re: #72 lawhawk

Or encouraging his rally attendees to physically assault protesters?

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lawhawk  Apr 3, 2017 • 7:59:49am

Besides Bannon? Trump supporters? White supremacists? The bigot brigade? Deplorables?

Besides all those folks?

Yeah, can’t think of any…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:00:27am

re: #123 Birth Control Works

Gingrich: All ‘real evidence’ of Russian influence points to Dems

Noot’s act wore thin a long time ago. But I lay the current state of our politics squarely at his feet. He really began, and popularized the demonization of political opponents with the most extreme language one could find. He’s like Trump’s John The Baptist - he led the way, but wasn’t the guy to make it to the top.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:07:45am

Mitch McConnell Says Americans Won’t Tolerate Democrats Blocking Supreme Court Nominations

McConnell’s admonition that the American public may not put up with prolonged Democratic obstruction is curious in light of his own plan to not lift a finger on any of Obama’s nominees ― a plan he shrewdly came up with on the day Justice Antonin Scalia died last February.

In the end, McConnell’s no-hearings-no-vote gamble paid off, and the Garland nomination died with the old Congress after 293 days — setting a modern record for Supreme Court nominees.

The only trump card Democrats in the Senate have now that they’re in the minority is the 60-vote threshold for moving forward with a vote on Supreme Court nominees. If they play hardball with McConnell, even that might go in this next Congress.

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EmmaAnne  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:08:35am

re: #46 Donkey With No Name

This is some kind of weird Midwestern obsession. I’ve had otherwise reasonable people from Ohio insist to me that Federal agencies need to be moved outside Washington, never mind that many already are (eg CDC) or that in any case the vast majority of Federal employees are outside Washington anyway.

There’s a satellite patent office in Denver. Also in Detroit, Dallas, and San Jose.

Most of the patent examiners do work remotely - from ll over the country.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:11:58am

re: #132 Birth Control Works

BOMBSHELL REPORT: Obama National Security Advisor SUSAN RICE Behind Unmasking Of Trump Transition Team

Link goes to Baby Whiplash’s bullshit fake news site.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:12:33am

Looks like UpChuck has been trying to draw attention to himself again.

thedailybeast.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:14:27am

re: #51 Jay C

Formally, the Government (intelligently) dismissed the military-action talk: but it’s embarrassing nevertheless- the Gibraltar situation just points out another flaw in the argument that Brexit is going to be some grand triumph of whatever.
I think a more important news item was that Spain made a public statement (unnecessarily right now IMO, but never mind) that they wouldn’t veto EU membership for an independent Scotland, if it ever comes to that.

Yes, that is going to be a pisser when Scotland (and possibly Northern Ireland) vote to stay in the EU. And Gibraltar does not want to be left isolated on the periphery of Europe either, I can well guess.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:17:01am

re: #112 Teukka

Reading about the bombing in the St Petersburg Metro, and I find myself wondering whether this is a legit bombing, or if this is a “false flag” to be used as an excuse for crackdowns or something.
Am I becoming too cynical and/or jaded?

*invokes 24h rule*

False flag or not, it will be used to justify an Enabling Act.

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lawhawk  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:17:45am

re: #134 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

Though Johnson would not name his White House contact and provided no evidence to back up the ostensible anti-Walsh collaboration, he insists that the White House orchestrated a sting operation to out Walsh as a source of leaks to major media organizations and that he was enlisted as an integral part of that effort.

He says the White House began feeding Walsh false information and then tasked Johnson with crawling the political web to document where that information turned up. The effort petered out, Johnson recalled, and he said he had not recently been in touch with the White House officials behind it.

Multiple Trump administration officials who spoke to The Daily Beast on the condition of anonymity to talk freely acknowledge that though Walsh was viewed more suspiciously by a number of her colleagues (several of whom saw her as, however justified, a “leaky” staffer), Johnson’s story sounds far-fetched.

So, they had nothing, Rage Furby was “tasked” with finding whether any of the info showed up, and he failed to find anything.

Heh.

This sounds like Trump attempted to set up a canary trap, and failed. Whether they failed because they targeted the wrong person, or had the wrong person conducting the search isn’t clear. But it goes to show just how screwed things are in the WH when they’re trusting a guy with a track record of being wrong, lying about it, and a string of failures to do hatchet jobs to root out “leakers” from the Trump WH.

Purity ponies on parade. It’s not just a left thing.

Oh… I left out the key graf:

During the home stretch of the 2016 campaign, Johnson did his best to directly aid the Trump campaign. Still, senior veterans of the campaign and Trump presidential transition, as well as current White House officials, laugh off Johnson’s claims of direct collaboration as “ridiculous” and “nonsense,” saying “[he’s] living in his own world.” In October, Trump’s then campaign manager Kellyanne Conway told The Daily Beast that she had not spoken to Johnson.

In other words, the Admin officials are claiming that Johnson isn’t doing anything, let alone collaborating, and Rage Furby says that’s necessary part of the admin’s spin.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:18:18am

re: #133 The Vicious Babushka

Link goes to Baby Whiplash’s bullshit fake news site.

bloomberg?

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Birth Control Works  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:20:21am

bbl

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:20:23am

re: #138 Birth Control Works

bloomberg?

Your original link was to Dailywire.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:27:00am

re: #137 lawhawk

It could be that Walsh is lot smarter than any of them, and knew she was being played. I predict Chuckie will be whinging about the Daily Beast smearing him, and he’ll threaten a lawsuit.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:27:14am

Medium article on propaganda-influenced online communities.

medium.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:28:20am
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electrotek  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:33:11am

re: #112 Teukka

Reading about the bombing in the St Petersburg Metro, and I find myself wondering whether this is a legit bombing, or if this is a “false flag” to be used as an excuse for crackdowns or something.
Am I becoming too cynical and/or jaded?

*invokes 24h rule*

Wasn’t the entire point of Russian involvement in Syria is to make Russia safer from extremists?

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Timothy Watson  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:37:04am

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makeitstop  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:37:59am

re: #145 Timothy Watson

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:38:23am

I have an idiot on FB screeching about why isn’t there an investigation going regarding the Dems collusion with Russia.

So I countered by saying: “So you’re saying Democrats conspired with Russians only to lose the election?”

His reply: “Yes! Because enough patriotic Americans voted for Trump to stop the Dem/Russia alliance from ruining this country!”

These fucking people.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:39:06am

re: #145 Timothy Watson

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:39:16am

re: #145 Timothy Watson

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Timothy Watson  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:39:20am

re: #147 Eclectic Cyborg

I have an idiot on FB screeching about why isn’t there an investigation going regarding the Dems collusion with Russia.

So I countered by saying: “So you’re saying Democrats conspired with Russians only to lose the election?”

His reply: “Yes! Because enough patriotic Americans voted for Trump to stop the Dem/Russia alliance from ruining this country!”

These fucking people.

What’s the level beyond “epic levels” of projection?

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:39:48am

re: #147 Eclectic Cyborg

I have an idiot on FB screeching about why isn’t there an investigation going regarding the Dems collusion with Russia.

So I countered by saying: “So you’re saying Democrats conspired with Russians only to lose the election?”

His reply: “Yes! Because enough patriotic Americans voted for Trump to stop the Dem/Russia alliance from ruining this country!”

These fucking people.

They keep imagining that far-right-wing scoundrels are patriots rather than wingnut “patriots”.

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lawhawk  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:39:52am

re: #150 Timothy Watson

What’s the level beyond “epic levels” of projection?

Trump.

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Jay C  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:40:59am

re: #150 Timothy Watson

What’s the level beyond “epic levels” of projection?

“Republican”??

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Timothy Watson  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:42:02am

re: #149 Eclectic Cyborg

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lawhawk  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:42:21am

re: #151 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

They keep imagining that far-right-wing scoundrels are patriots rather than wingnut “patriots”.

Patriots for what country?

These same fuckers have no problem waving the flag of insurrectionists and the secessionists who lost the Civil War (aka the War of Southern Insurrection). So it’s not entirely clear that they’re patriots for the United States. Their parroting of RT talking points and Trump-isms suggests that they’re rooting for Putin’s Russia, not the US. And ultimately manipulating US policy so that it hews to Putin’s view doesn’t help the US, and gives Russia a free hand to do as it likes in Europe.

Ask these right wingers why the GOP made their platform more Putin-friendly when Trump insisted. They have no answer for it, because it goes to intent.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:43:29am

re: #150 Timothy Watson

What’s the level beyond “epic levels” of projection?

IMAX 3D level?

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:44:56am

re: #156 Blind Frog Belly White

IMAX 3D level?

In Outer Space.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:45:05am

re: #154 Timothy Watson

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(alpuz)  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:45:22am

re: #150 Timothy Watson

What’s the level beyond “epic levels” of projection?

Plaid.

Spaceballs - They’ve gone into plaid

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:46:18am

re: #155 lawhawk

Patriots for what country?

These same fuckers have no problem waving the flag of insurrectionists and the secessionists who lost the Civil War (aka the War of Southern Insurrection). So it’s not entirely clear that they’re patriots for the United States. Their parroting of RT talking points and Trump-isms suggests that they’re rooting for Putin’s Russia, not the US. And ultimately manipulating US policy so that it hews to Putin’s view doesn’t help the US, and gives Russia a free hand to do as it likes in Europe.

Ask these right wingers why the GOP made their platform more Putin-friendly when Trump insisted. They have no answer for it, because it goes to intent.

It became obvious that they don’t understand how to live in a country as free as America when they started posting Putin’s propaganda photos next to pictures of a civilized President to try to attack Obama.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:48:04am

So, as I understand it, the new ‘scandal’ is that Obama’s National Security Adviser asked for the unmasking of US Persons in the Trump Transition who were in contact with foreign government figures being surveilled, after the FBI had been investigating the Trump crew for 6 months already related to potentially colluding with a foreign adversary to seize power win the election? And that it was likely completely legal? And that it exposed a guy who was getting money from TWO foreign powers while working for Trump?

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Timothy Watson  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:50:24am

re: #158 Eclectic Cyborg

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:51:08am

re: #19 Single-handed sailor

Let me take a few seconds to curse.

Rasenbrasenfrasen.

That dolt John Diefenbaker destroyed Canada’s aerospace industry with his decision to kill the Arrow. He not only killed the project, a plane that more than matched the Phantom, he destroyed everything connected to it. I think he would have had the people on the project shot as well if he could have.

Instead he bought F-101 Voodoos and nuclear armed CIM-10 Bomarcs. Neither of which was particularly good at its role. Plus nukes going off over Canada could not have been a good thing.

Now that I think of it, Diefenbaker was a lot like Trump. A showman who could talk to angry, white people and get them to vote for him. He was also rather incompetent at actually governing. Maybe the US lizards can look forward to Sukhois and MiGs being the main aircraft of the US Air Force.

Excuse me while I curse some more.

%#$#*&$$@!@*%^*&&^%$%$@!

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:57:12am

re: #162 Timothy Watson

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:59:22am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:00:43am

re: #163 Romantic Heretic

Some years ago I had a chance to visit one of the “Difenbunkers” that had been built during the height of the Cold War. Really cool experience.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:09:11am

re: #144 electrotek

In the same way that the invasion of Iraq was about extending democracy.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:09:41am

re: #150 Timothy Watson

What’s the level beyond “epic levels” of projection?

Psychosis.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:17:21am

Thanks for posting this video, Charles. That’s one of my all-time favorite songs, and this guy is immensely talented.

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electrotek  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:18:33am

re: #167 Romantic Heretic

In the same way that the invasion of Iraq was about extending democracy.

Yup.

On another note, I don’t see people on my feed even talking about the St. Petersburg bomb attack. But if it was Brussels or Paris or Nice, they would be mouthing with outrage.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:18:34am

re: #164 The Vicious Babushka

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:20:11am

re: #162 Timothy Watson

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:21:43am

re: #171 Timothy Watson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:23:48am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:24:40am
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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:28:36am

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:29:30am

re: #176 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

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Mike Lamb  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:30:43am

re: #150 Timothy Watson

What’s the level beyond “epic levels” of projection?

Galactic.

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electrotek  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:31:32am

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

So Trump is meeting with a dictator who has also been cracking down on LGBT rights in Egypt in order to assert how pious he is, but Hillary and Saudi Arabia of course….

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wrenchwench  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:34:47am

re: #179 electrotek

So Trump is meeting with a dictator who has also been cracking down on LGBT rights in Egypt in order to assert how pious he is, but Hillary and Saudi Arabia of course….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:36:51am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:39:10am
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BeachDem  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:39:12am

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And while the yam dabbles in international diplomacy///, his ever so intelligent UN Ambassador had this to say:

“I am beating up on Russia,” Haley said. “[Trump] has got a lot of things he’s doing, but he is not stopping me from beating up on Russia …He’s not stopping me on how we’re working together [with Russia] to defeat ISIS.”

She makes no sense. She is in completely over her head.

She. Is. An. Idiot.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:42:47am

re: #183 BeachDem

And while the yam dabbles in international diplomacy///, his ever so intelligent UN Ambassador had this to say:

“I am beating up on Russia,” Haley said. “[Trump] has got a lot of things he’s doing, but he is not stopping me from beating up on Russia …He’s not stopping me on how we’re working together [with Russia] to defeat ISIS.”

She makes no sense. She is in completely over her head.

She. Is. An. Idiot.

I said when Haley was nominated that Claire Underwood was more qualified to be UN Ambassador.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:45:38am

Comedy Central has ordered a weekly talk show called “The President Show” created by and starring Trump impersonator Anthony Atamanuik.

Its premise centers on President Trump bypassing “fake media” by hosting a talk show from the Oval Office.

The show will also feature Vice President Mike Pence as an Ed McMahon-like sidekick played by Peter Grosz, a former writer for “The Colbert Report.”

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:47:25am

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

i may have to watch that for the LOLs. Bet the talking Yam won’t like it.

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makeitstop  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:49:34am

A good article up on TPM: Why Unified Republican Government Went Rapidly off the Rails

Cliff Stearns, a Republican who represented northern Florida for 12 terms in Congress, told TPM that much of the dysfunction today stems from the fact that Trump “lacks familiarity with how Congress works.” But so, too, do many of the congressional Republicans attempting to work with him. Seventy-seven percent of all Republicans in Congress have never served under a Republican president, and a full quarter of the House of Representatives has two years of congressional experience or less.

“None of these people were there when we had the markups for the Affordable Care Act,” said Stearns, who served on one of the key committees to craft the 2010 bill. “They weren’t there watching all the amendments we had and all of our differences of opinion. It would have been helpful to have that kind of experience.”

Inexperience aside, the growing public hostility between Trump and members of his own party has Hill veterans flummoxed. In particular, they point to Trump’s Twitter tirades against members of the Freedom Caucus—many of whom are more popular in their districts than the president, and largely immune to threats of a primary challenge.

“I’ve never seen anything quite like this,” said Stan Collender, a former top staffer on the House and Senate Budget Committees, who worked under both Republican and Democratic administrations. “He’s attacking a group he is desperately going to need in the future, and they’re probably the least politically vulnerable members of his party.”

Collender said Trump should have invested several months in getting to know the members of Congress that his legislative agenda depends on before twisting their arms for votes on an extremely unpopular Obamacare repeal bill and then publicly shaming them for not falling in line.

“He’s thinking of them as underlings and he’s the CEO,” he said. “But he’s not Congress’ CEO, he’s the president of the United States. They don’t work for him, they work for their constituents.”

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Stanley Sea  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:52:16am

So Kushner’s in Iraq? WTF

I think daddy in law is setting him up to fail. No one is good enough for daughter #1 & he’s going to make sure Jared goes down in flames.

Damage to the US is just a by-product.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:52:39am
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:54:02am

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

For extra wingnut points it must be a conflict diamond.

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BeachDem  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:54:56am

re: #184 Timothy Watson

I said when Haley was nominated that Claire Underwood was more qualified to be UN Ambassador.

Absofuckinglutely!

And apparently nobody talks to Nikki about anything. She says nobody at the UN is talking to her about Russia—much the way (before the killings in Charleston) she said nobody had ever mentioned the confederate flag.

Then (when she was running for re-election as governor:

“What I can tell you is over the last three and a half years, I spent a lot of my days on the phones with CEOs and recruiting jobs to this state. I can honesly say I have not had one conversation with a single CEO about the Confederate flag.”

Now:

on CBS’ “Face the Nation,” Haley argued other countries look at the conversation around Russia’s potential involvement in the election as “D.C. chatter.”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:57:00am

re: #190 The Vicious Babushka

For extra wingnut points it must be a conflict diamond.

Isn’t the administration removing penalties to parties that trade in conflict diamonds?

My bad, it’s a proposed executive order

The Trump administration has prepared a new executive order that would extinguish regulatory controls designed to prevent US companies profiting from and encouraging the spread of “conflict minerals” that are inflaming violence in Congo.

A draft executive order, composed last week and obtained by the Guardian, proposes a two-year suspension of a portion of the Dodd-Frank financial reforms that requires US firms to carry out due diligence to ensure that the products they sell include no minerals mined in the Democratic Republic of the Congo or neighbouring countries. The regulation was widely applauded as a mainstay of attempts to cut the umbilical chord between big business and violent warlords who have spread unrest throughout the Congo and caused the deaths of more than five million people since the 1990s.

There is no depth to low for him to wallow in. Ok, that metaphor is a tad mixed. Whatever.

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KingKenrod  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:57:43am

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Belafon  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:58:46am

re: #192 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Isn’t the administration removing penalties to parties that trade in conflict diamonds?

My bad, it’s a proposed executive order

There is no depth to low for him to wallow in. Ok, that metaphor is a tad mixed. Whatever.

Considering he’s talking about suspending a law, that will last all of an hour before a suit is brought.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:58:54am
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lawhawk  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:02:45am

Gabbard has the stench of useful idiot about her, and this would further suggest that Trump is pushing Putin’s policies, not ours.

Syria has been a shit show since the civil war erupted. Assad is awful, but any assistance to the rebels would aid IS. Attacking Assad means IS benefits. Attacking IS and the rebels aids Assad who has been repeatedly engaging in war crimes.

Russia backs Assad as a client state (hey, they gotta sell weapons to someone). Iran backs Assad too, though that support is frayed a bit because Hizbullah doesn’t particularly care to keep losing resources in a civil war when it could be better spending its time prepping for conflict with Israel (and any lessons learned in a Syrian civil war will benefit Hizbullah too). Iran can’t keep pouring resources into Syria either, not with oil prices being what it is.

Obama tried threading a line between all these awful options to find the least bad one, and now it appears Trump’s willing to push towards a new direction.

It has the stench of Putin all over it.

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Belafon  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:02:48am

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

But Rice’s multiple requests to learn the identities of Trump officials discussed in intelligence reports during the transition period does highlight a longstanding concern for civil liberties advocates about U.S. surveillance programs. The standard for senior officials to learn the names of U.S. persons incidentally collected is that it must have some foreign intelligence value, a standard that can apply to almost anything. This suggests Rice’s unmasking requests were likely within the law.

Ryan didn’t even read the article.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:03:19am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:03:54am

re: #197 Belafon

bloomberg.com

Ryan didn’t even read the article.

Must have been one hella golf game with the yam yesterday, though…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:04:25am
Dianne Feinstein, ranking member on Senate Judiciary Cmte, will oppose Gorsuch: “I cannot support his nomination.” —via @MSNBC
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:05:22am
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:06:07am

re: #197 Belafon

bloomberg.com

Ryan didn’t even read the article.

RICE: Who are all these people from the Trump campaign who keep chatting with the Russian mobsters we’re watching?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:06:42am
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electrotek  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:07:25am

re: #196 lawhawk

Iran backs Assad too, though that support is frayed a bit because Hizbullah doesn’t particularly care to keep losing resources in a civil war when it could be better spending its time prepping for conflict with Israel (and any lessons learned in a Syrian civil war will benefit Hizbullah too). Iran can’t keep pouring resources into Syria either, not with oil prices being what it is.

I would venture to say that Hizbollah is more concerned with Salafi extremists than they are over Israel.

Never underestimate the significance Syria has on a religious level with Shi’as. Hizbullah’s credibility is at its lowest level, what difference does it make for them at this point to pivot its resources towards Israel?

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:09:52am

IT’S TOTALLY OK BECAUSE SHE’S NOT GETTING A SALARY!!!!11!

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lawhawk  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:10:49am

re: #204 electrotek

Israel has always been its focus, and now they’re being distracted from it. I agree that they see the Salafists (IS) as a greater threat at the moment, but they’d rather spend time in Lebanon prepping for another conflict with Israel than trying to fight a war in Syria.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:11:11am

re: #196 lawhawk

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Gabbard has the stench of useful idiot about her, and this would further suggest that Trump is pushing Putin’s policies, not ours.

Syria has been a shit show since the civil war erupted. Assad is awful, but any assistance to the rebels would aid IS. Attacking Assad means IS benefits. Attacking IS and the rebels aids Assad who has been repeatedly engaging in war crimes.

Russia backs Assad as a client state (hey, they gotta sell weapons to someone). Iran backs Assad too, though that support is frayed a bit because Hizbullah doesn’t particularly care to keep losing resources in a civil war when it could be better spending its time prepping for conflict with Israel (and any lessons learned in a Syrian civil war will benefit Hizbullah too). Iran can’t keep pouring resources into Syria either, not with oil prices being what it is.

Obama tried threading a line between all these awful options to find the least bad one, and now it appears Trump’s willing to push towards a new direction.

It has the stench of Putin all over it.

But, but, Trump assured us that he was going to stand up to Iran!!1!

///

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:11:55am
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Belafon  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:17:14am

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump’s a secret Muslim!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:18:06am

O_o

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danarchy  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:18:38am

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I really wish he had used the correct word. It is conscience not conscious.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:19:20am

CAPTION THIS

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Dave In Austin  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:21:14am

41 no votes confirmed. Dems will not confirm SCOTUS pick

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:21:21am
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Franklin  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:21:25am

re: #211 danarchy

I really wish he had used the correct word. It is conscience not conscious.

I think that is a transcription of the Senator.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:21:27am

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Russia needs a wall. Maybe the Mongolians will build it for them and pay for it?

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lawhawk  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:22:33am

re: #212 The Vicious Babushka

And this is where I grab ‘em by the ass.

How do you grab ‘em in Egypt?

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Puss Power  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:26:19am

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

Woo hoo. I was going to contact her office when I got back from the gym, and now I don’t have to. (lazy)

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allegro  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:27:38am

re: #217 lawhawk

And this is where I grab ‘em by the ass.

How do you grab ‘em in Egypt?

At least he isn’t holding his hand.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:27:59am
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lawhawk  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:28:19am

re: #219 allegro

At least he isn’t holding his hand.

At least until he reached the stairs.

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Interesting Times  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:29:11am

Damn Bernie Bros, always talking about economic anxiety and…oh :/

Facebook Post

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:31:11am

re: #222 Interesting Times

Damn Bernie Bros, always talking about economic anxiety and…oh :/

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FFS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:32:36am
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Bass Reeves  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:32:42am

re: #222 Interesting Times

What’s so frustrating about it, is that it’s a demonstrably false narrative. And WTF is it with Dems that think PoC don’t count when we talk about the middle class?

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electrotek  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:34:00am

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

For how much he loves Putin, he couldn’t come up with a better empathetic response than one that sounds like a patronizing crock of shit?

For fuck’s sake, most call centers provide more empathy to their customers than that fucking response by our “President”. Fucking Hell.

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Skip Intro  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:34:07am

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

WTF? She’s wearing clothes. Since when?

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Interesting Times  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:34:49am

re: #220 Backwoods_Sleuth

@mattmfm
There are now multiple cases in which Gorsuch apparently refused to even meet with Dem senators. GOP didn’t even try to get 60 votes.

So…they were planning to go nuclear all along? Or so utterly inflated with arrogance they figured Dems would capitulate regardless of how badly they behaved?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:38:02am
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Skip Intro  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:38:08am

re: #205 The Vicious Babushka

She’s getting piggy looking IMO. Time to have more work done.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:38:59am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:44:47am
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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:49:22am

re: #225 Bass Reeves

What’s so frustrating about it, is that it’s a demonstrably false narrative. And WTF is it with Dems that think PoC don’t count when we talk about the middle class?

Goes back to how our society looks at any closing of a gap between being black and white. PoC can’t be the same type of middle and working class that whites are. Our society never will have large scale conversations about the issue of white absentee fathers, but will jump up and down on a dead horse if those absentee fathers are black.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:50:53am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 3, 2017 • 11:02:21am

re: #212 The Vicious Babushka

CAPTION THIS

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“My Inauguration crowd was this big!”

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Joe Bacon  Apr 3, 2017 • 11:13:05am

re: #73 Anymouse

You’d almost think that Russian banks are trying to buy Western politicians. (Makes me wonder if there is some digging to do in Dr. Jill Stein’s financials.)

I posted a suspicion about Stein already. Sure do remember Jill Shill partying with Flynn and Mr. P at the RT Party!


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