A Former Trump Adviser Met With a Russian Spy, and Another Trump Pal Held a Meeting to Set Up Contact With Moscow

That Watergate feeling is getting stronger again
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The Trump-Russia scandal just keeps expanding, and tonight we have two interesting pieces to draw your attention to, dear members of the resistance.

First, Buzzfeed reports that former Trump adviser Carter Page actually met with a Russian spy in 2013.

NEW YORK — A former campaign adviser for Donald Trump met with and passed documents to a Russian intelligence operative in New York City in 2013.

The adviser, Carter Page, met with a Russian intelligence operative named Victor Podobnyy, who was later charged by the US government alongside two others for acting as unregistered agents of a foreign government. The charges, filed in January 2015, came after federal investigators busted a Russian spy ring that was seeking information on US sanctions as well as efforts to develop alternative energy. Page is an energy consultant.

A court filing by the US government contains a transcript of a recorded conversation in which Podobnyy speaks with one of the other men busted in the spy ring, Igor Sporyshev, about trying to recruit someone identified as “Male-1.” BuzzFeed News has confirmed that “Male-1” is Page.

Next, the Washington Post reports that Blackwater founder Erik Prince held a secret meeting in January in the Seychelles islands to set up a “back channel” line of communication between Moscow and the incoming Trump administration.

The United Arab Emirates arranged a secret meeting in January between Blackwater founder Erik Prince and a Russian close to President Vladi­mir Putin as part of an apparent effort to establish a back-channel line of communication between Moscow and President-elect Donald Trump, according to U.S., European and Arab officials.

The meeting took place around Jan. 11 — nine days before Trump’s inauguration — in the Seychelles islands in the Indian Ocean, officials said. Though the full agenda remains unclear, the UAE agreed to broker the meeting in part to explore whether Russia could be persuaded to curtail its relationship with Iran, including in Syria, a Trump administration objective that would be likely to require major concessions to Moscow on U.S. sanctions.

Though Prince had no formal role with the Trump campaign or transition team, he presented himself as an unofficial envoy for Trump to high-ranking Emiratis involved in setting up his meeting with the Putin confidant, according to the officials, who did not identify the Russian.

Erik Prince, by the way, is the brother of Trump’s anti-public education education secretary Betsy DeVos.

I know, right? What are the odds?

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353 comments

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electrotek  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:33:44pm

Erik Prince, the self-described Crusader, wanting to work with a Muslim nation like UAE for his own benefit?

Color me surprised. We all know money talks, even to the most rabid anti-Muslim prick in existence.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:34:45pm

so this is the reason they were all screaming about Susan Rice this morning.

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electrotek  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:36:25pm

lol wut

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Skandal  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:36:43pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:37:05pm

re: #1 electrotek

And of course, the Obligatory Wikipedia link to Erik Prince.

Of course, the UAE didn’t have to arrange anything: Erik Prnice has a fucking residence there…goddam fucking media can’t find their asses with both hands I tell ya…….

Foghorn Leghorn wet mice

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Charles Johnson  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:37:08pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:38:57pm
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b.d.  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:39:13pm

Trump is going to preemptively pardon himself and his buddies pretty damn soon.

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nines09  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:39:16pm

And you wondered where the Real Mob went. Wonder no more.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:39:49pm

“Why do all these homosexuals keep sucking my cock?”

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Targetpractice  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:42:06pm

“The real crime is that Susan Rice made it public that Trump campaign personnel were talking with Russians under surveillance! That is a federal crime and Obama is going to be indicted for it!”

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BeachDem  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:43:47pm

Why are they running “confirm Gorsuch” ads during Rachel? Such fiscal responsibility! Only slightly more nauseating than the Chuck Todd “referee” ads. Arggghhh.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:45:14pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:52:33pm

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:53:28pm

re: #15 Eric The Fruit Bat

On US Media claims of the UAE arranging the Erik Prince meeting with that mysterious Russian advisor….

Where’s your proof the UAE government was actually involved in arranging the meeting, since Erik Prince lives in Abu Dabi?

We’re calling you out….

What a great American!

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Interesting Times  Apr 3, 2017 • 6:58:54pm

Ha:

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Targetpractice  Apr 3, 2017 • 7:04:10pm

re: #17 Interesting Times

Ha:

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Every time the pundits begin talking in unison about how there’s “hysteria” surrounding Russia and we need to “move on,” new bombshells drop and they have to spend days arguing that they’re “not that bad.”

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 3, 2017 • 7:06:02pm

re: #15 Eric The Fruit Bat

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b.d.  Apr 3, 2017 • 7:08:48pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 3, 2017 • 7:15:30pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 3, 2017 • 7:28:55pm

I predicted quite a while back that Erik Prince of Darkness would be an active force in the Trump regime. He has left Blackwater/Xe etc. but is still active in mercenary circles. Among other things he recruited an 800-strong mercenary force to quell any Arab Spring agitation in the UAE. He has also been involved in that nirvana of mercenaries, Africa.

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teleskiguy  Apr 3, 2017 • 7:35:03pm

It’s only Monday. Fuckface Von Clownstick is meeting with China’s president Xi Jinping on Thursday.

*shudder*

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Kragar  Apr 3, 2017 • 7:51:47pm

Finally got my internet fixed. My cable modem died saturday night, couldn’t get it replaced till today

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teleskiguy  Apr 3, 2017 • 7:53:53pm

re: #24 Kragar

Finally got my internet fixed. My cable modem died saturday night, couldn’t get it replaced till today

I bet it was a nice little bit of time away from the internet at home, eh?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 3, 2017 • 7:56:08pm

re: #23 teleskiguy

They’re going to have private talks about their shared ‘Islamic’ problems-problems which each country made themselves, BTW….

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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2017 • 7:56:53pm

re: #23 teleskiguy

It’s only Monday. Fuckface Von Clownstick is meeting with China’s president Xi Jinping on Thursday.

*shudder*

I fear some kind of diplomatic faux pas will transpire. Alternatively, Xi will trick the Deal Maker into signing off on something that benefits only China.

Xi is the expert swordsman with a foil. Trump is a little kid with a toy light sabre.

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teleskiguy  Apr 3, 2017 • 7:57:10pm

re: #26 Eric The Fruit Bat

I thought Trump was going to start a trade war. 🤔

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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:03:40pm

re: #26 Eric The Fruit Bat

They’re going to have private talks about their shared ‘Islamic’ problems-problems which each country made themselves, BTW….

The Chinese government has enacted some very repressive laws regulating the Uighur minority in Xinjiang. No niqab. No long beards. No marriages outside civil authority. No observing Ramadan if you are in public office.

China Law Translate has the whole set of edicts here. chinalawtranslate.com

Essentially, Beijing is trying assimilate the Uighur into Han culture, just as they are trying to eliminate Tibetan culture and Buddhism. Anything seen as a threat to the primacy of the Party is considered a threat to a “harmonious society.”

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:03:53pm

re: #28 teleskiguy

I thought Trump was going to start a trade war.

Actually I think wheat-dogg’s got this one pegged pretty good. Xi’s probably knows The Art of War backwards and forwards, and is probably immune to Trump’s schmoozing attacks. Xi will probably also warn Hair Furor to tread lightly with the Great Grandson and that China is very capable of turning our Navy into heaps of scrap metal should our toddler become militarily provocative……

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:07:15pm

re: #29 wheat-dogg

Anything seen as a threat to the primacy of the Party is considered a threat to a “harmonious society.”

Sorta like the whole state-sanctioned church bit-I know that story all too well, courtesy Auntie Beeb…..

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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:08:50pm

re: #30 Eric The Fruit Bat

Actually I think wheat-dogg’s got this one pegged pretty good. Xi’s probably knows The Art of War backwards and forwards, and is probably immune to Trump’s schmoozing attacks. Xi will probably also warn Hair Furor to tread lightly with the Great Grandson and that China is very capable of turning our Navy into heaps of scrap metal should our toddler become militarily provocative……

If Trump had a halfway functional State Department, and if he were willing to listen to the IC’s advice, I wouldn’t worry. But as it is, we’ve got a narcissistic would-be tinpot dictator who thinks only of his own status and who has the attention span of a flea. Xi is a veteran of China’s cut-throat political system and an engineer. He’s steering China toward increasing dominance on the world stage. So, he’ll give Il Trumpino some little bone to be happy with, while he takes the rest of the steer.

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Kragar  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:13:01pm

re: #25 teleskiguy

2 teenage girls in the house. They were going nuts.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:13:30pm

re: #31 Eric The Fruit Bat

Sorta like the whole state-sanctioned church bit-I know that story all too well, courtesy Auntie Beeb…..

Yeah. The Party tolerates organized religion only when it follows its rules. If you’re too independent, you’re seen as a political threat. I know several Chinese Christians here, who converted in adulthood, but I am not clear if their church is one of the state-approved ones. Police have been known to raid “home churches” and arrest people.

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teleskiguy  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:15:28pm

re: #33 Kragar

Jesus fuck! I hope they at least got to ride bicycles or something.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:23:09pm

re: #32 wheat-dogg

So, he’ll give Il Trumpino some little bone to be happy with, while he takes the rest of the steer.

Got it in one-and that scares me to no end.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:25:25pm

Preferably on an Aeroflot flight….

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Kragar  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:26:16pm
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Joe Bacon  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:31:34pm

re: #29 wheat-dogg

The Chinese government has enacted some very repressive laws regulating the Uighur minority in Xinjiang. No niqab. No long beards. No marriages outside civil authority. No observing Ramadan if you are in public office.

China Law Translate has the whole set of edicts here. chinalawtranslate.com

Essentially, Beijing is trying assimilate the Uighur into Han culture, just as they are trying to eliminate Tibetan culture and Buddhism. Anything seen as a threat to the primacy of the Party is considered a threat to a “harmonious society.”

Sounds just like what the Republican Party is trying to accomplish here in the USA!

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prairiefire  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:32:20pm

re: #33 Kragar

2 teenage girls in the house. They were going nuts.

Aw, your girls are teenagers now? Bless

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Targetpractice  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:33:04pm

re: #33 Kragar

2 teenage girls in the house. They were going nuts.

You poor bastard.

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ObserverArt  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:37:36pm

re: #38 Kragar

CNN Tonight ✔ @CNNTonight
.@dandrezner on Trump’s ‘secretary of everything’: “This is insane… his one qualification is that he married well”
10:53 PM - 3 Apr 2017
37 37 Retweets 62 62 likes

Trump is the most insincere, uncaring, out of touch president ever. He’s blowing this shit off because he never wanted the damn job.

He wanted the title.

And the money and connections he can use while “on the job.”

He thinks he has such mastery he can just hand jobs to whoever he wants all based on what he heard on Fox and read at InfoWars. And who is better at following the master than the kids? They already know the damn scam. They’ve been to Russia!

I think he called that being the best manager ever. Management by the tweet from the chief twit.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:38:07pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:39:38pm

re: #42 ObserverArt

Trump is the most insincere, uncaring, out of touch president ever. He’s blowing this shit off because he never wanted the damn job.

He wanted the title.

And the money and connections he can use while “on the job.”

He thinks he has such mastery he can just hand jobs to whoever he wants all based on what he heard on Fox and read at InfoWars. And who is better at following the master than the kids? They already know the damn scam. They’ve been to Russia!

I think he called that being the best manager ever. Management by the tweet from the chief twit.

Trump is acting in the manner of a CEO: Pure nepotism that will lead to an utter clusterfuck that poor fuckers lower on the totem pole will be expected to fix or be blamed and fired.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:40:56pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

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Good lord, I looked at what that cuckoo clock had posted in his timeline. The boy is more than a few face cards short of a deck!

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jaunte  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:42:26pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:45:46pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

There is only one suitable response for this in-duh-vidual….

Very strong stupid he is….Cannot Fix.
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:47:58pm

re: #45 Joe Bacon

Just change genders and this will suffice….

Foghorn Leghorn wet mice

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teleskiguy  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:49:27pm

re: #45 Joe Bacon

Good lord, I looked at what that cuckoo clock had posted in his timeline. The boy is more than a few face cards short of a deck!

Anybody who uses all caps in every tweet is most likely a raving whack-a-loon.

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Targetpractice  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:52:46pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

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The wingnuts really do believe this whole “unmasking” business is going to lead to federal charges. They’re convinced that they’ve got Obama right where they want him. Just like with Benghazi…and the IRS…and Fast & Furious…and…and…you beginning to notice a pattern?

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:55:44pm

re: #24 Kragar

Finally got my internet fixed. My cable modem died saturday night, couldn’t get it replaced till today

Our state-owned electric company will be shutting off my entire town’s electricity on April 12. (You lucky devils, that means I won’t be around to hassle y’all.) During the time our electricity is off, the village has also hired a company to install our new tornado siren (currently in the back of the chairwoman’s car because it was delivered to her at work today).

Two hours of wrangling over water. The Nebraska Rural Water Association (an organisation to which cities and villages can belong for assistance on water and sewer matters) put out a flyer read at tonight’s village board meeting noting (but not naming Trump) the president’s budget completely guts the USDA Water and Wastewater Loan and Grant Programme.

That programme was put in place during the New Deal, to assist rural communities with water and sewer issues, because there is no profit in banks or corporations to invest or loan money to rural towns.

The grant and loan programme fund is 100% for the water systems of towns with less than ten thousand people for infrastructure and maintenance. 70% of the loans given to towns are interest-bearing loans that pay profit directly back to the US Treasury. (In short the programme works, so the GOP has to kill it. That, and it’s a Democratic New Deal programme.)

What little is expected to remain after the proposed $1.6 billion cut to the programme is to be redirected to cities such as New York and Los Angeles.

I suspect there will be a bunch of howling from rural Democratic and GOP reps over this little budget item (the remaining 1% of the money allocated by the programme goes to cities like New York and Los Angeles to fund projects they cannot get investment or loans for).

The South Dakota iron company that is going to repair our water tower for $50,000 is going to the USDA to try and get them to pay for it. The USDA is upset the village did not put out bids for the project. There is only one iron company within hundreds of miles that can do the work. The iron company and the village both note the work is of emergency nature (thus the rules for bids do not apply).

If the iron company can get the USDA to waive its bid rule, then the USDA will pay for the work (and the village’s savings are not on the hook for $50,000).

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 3, 2017 • 8:57:19pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

you beginning to notice a pattern?

It’s really boiled down to the concept of manufactured consent.

Of course, since Chomsky’s name is associated with it, it’s considered eeeevil…….

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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:03:44pm

Looks like a fashion mag cover photo, or an advert inside one.

This entire family seems welded to the idea that staring directly into the camera makes for a great photo. At least, Melania doesn’t have her husband’s idiotic smirk.

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prairiefire  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:05:10pm

re: #53 wheat-dogg

Her fingernails look nice.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:05:11pm

re: #53 wheat-dogg

Looks like a fashion mag cover photo, or an advert inside one.

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This entire family seems welded to the idea that staring directly into the camera makes for a great photo. At least, Melania doesn’t have her husband’s idiotic smirk.

She’s a dead ringer for the Spider Lady in the Kirk Alyn Superman Serial!

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allegro  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:05:13pm

re: #53 wheat-dogg

Looks like a fashion mag cover photo, or an advert inside one.

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This entire family seems welded to the idea that staring directly into the camera makes for a great photo. At least, Melania doesn’t have her husband’s idiotic smirk.

I keep wondering what’s wrong with her eyes. She’s always squinty. Too much “work”?

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Stanley Sea  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:05:34pm

re: #38 Kragar

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I’ll say it again, he’s setting up the husband of his favorite daughter to fail.

It’s psychological - he’s not good enough for you sweetie.

Jared hasn’t a clue.

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retired cynic  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:07:11pm

re: #57 Stanley Sea

I don’t think he can think that far ahead.

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allegro  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:07:23pm

re: #57 Stanley Sea

I’ll say it again, he’s setting up the husband of his favorite daughter to fail.

It’s psychological - he’s not good enough for you sweetie.

Jared hasn’t a clue.

I dunno. Could also be living vicariously. He has to build up Jared because he’s his surrogate. I’ll stop there.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:07:58pm

For our local harpists. Also, be sure to RT to Bryan Fischer

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prairiefire  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:08:01pm

re: #56 allegro

I keep wondering what’s wrong with her eyes. She’s always squinty. Too much “work”?

Work and maybe she’s near sighted. I bet she wears coke bottle bottom glasses when Drumpfs not around.

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retired cynic  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:09:10pm

re: #61 prairiefire

We know he wears glasses when he thinks no one is looking.

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prairiefire  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:10:01pm

re: #62 retired cynic

We know he wears glasses when he thinks no one is looking.

If his dead eyes can actually see anything.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:11:45pm

When does Trump go to Walter Reed for his physical? Is he going to blow that off too?

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teleskiguy  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:14:32pm

re: #64 Eric The Fruit Bat

When does Trump go to Walter Reed for his physical? Is he going to blow that off too?

He’s already got the best doctor!

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JordanRules  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:16:25pm

re: #56 allegro

Yeah. She wasn’t that squinty in her younger days.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:17:52pm

re: #55 Joe Bacon

She’s a dead ringer for the Spider Lady in the Kirk Alyn Superman Serial!

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Good catch! I was wondering about the spiderweb background. Maybe Superman is off screen, trapped in her web, and she’s taking time to gloat in front of the camera.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:18:46pm

re: #66 JordanRules

Yeah. She wasn’t that squinty in her younger days.

I suspect cosmetic surgery gone wrong.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:19:41pm

Keith O with another analysis of another Trump Twitter ragegasm.

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retired cynic  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:19:44pm

re: #68 wheat-dogg

Yep. Drawn up too tight to remove bags below eyes.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:21:30pm

Anybody know the deal with uber leftist twitter putting rose glyphs in their twitter handles?

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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:21:51pm

re: #70 retired cynic

Yep. Drawn up too tight to remove bags below eyes.

There may be some botox involved, too. I wonder if Ivanka has been botoxed, too, because when she speaks there’s no facial movement around her eyes.

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:22:23pm

re: #61 prairiefire

Work and maybe she’s near sighted. I bet she wears coke bottle bottom glasses when Drumpfs not around.

I am so nearsighted I cannot see my face clearly in a mirror. To me at least Mrs. Trump looks like that: She is not wearing glasses. (That said, she could wear contact lenses if she is concerned about how she looks as a model in glasses.)

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JordanRules  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:22:45pm

re: #68 wheat-dogg

The cat look is the trajectory I see a lot with bad work and too much work.

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:24:11pm

The White Rose was an intellectual, non-violent resistance movement to the Nazis in Germany. The avatars and such reflect that movement today.

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teleskiguy  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:24:56pm

re: #71 goddamnedfrank

Anybody know the deal with uber leftist twitter putting rose glyphs in their twitter handles?

Haven’t seen it. Which makes me thankful, I’ve somehow curated my shit to exclude the far-left, annoying fucks that they are.

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prairiefire  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:27:24pm

re: #73 Anymouse

Well, progressive contacts suck, she could have tried lasic and it didn’t work. Women have 20% less effectiveness with that procedure. I notice she looks normal and then squints when someone is talking to her or catches her attention. It just looks familiar to me.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:28:07pm

re: #74 JordanRules

The cat look is the trajectory I see a lot with bad work and too much work.

I can’t presume to know why anyone would want to look like that — maybe trying for some exotic look to get more modeling gigs? As a teenager, she had a pleasant, very pretty face, but not extraordinary — not the kind of unique look someone would want in a top-end fashion model. As it is, she did not become a top-end fashion model, but she did capture a rich, older billionaire. So maybe the investment was worth it?

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:30:29pm

re: #77 prairiefire

Well, progressive contacts suck, she could have tried lasic and it didn’t work. Women have 20% less effectiveness with that procedure. I notice she looks normal and then squints when someone is talking to her or catches her attention. It just looks familiar to me.

I don’t want to get Lazik surgery; something about shining laser beams in my eyes.

I can’t wear contacts due to astigmatism.

I had to battle with my grandparents (I lived with them after my father was killed for several years) to get an eye exam at all - my grandmother was convinced I was faking poor eyesight to get attention (really, and she was a teacher). Her claim was “brown eyed people don’t need glasses.” (I have no idea where that claim comes from.)

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:30:35pm

re: #78 wheat-dogg

As it is, she did not become a top-end fashion model, but she did capture a rich, older billionaire. So maybe the investment was worth it?

Who captured who in this scenario? You got to imagine the pre-nup is pretty one-sided here…..

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:30:47pm

re: #75 Anymouse

The White Rose was an intellectual, non-violent resistance movement to the Nazis in Germany. The avatars and such reflect that movement today.

If that’s the legit answer then they’re being even more useless than par. You can’t fight Nazis with strict non-violence. Nazi need punches.

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retired cynic  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:32:46pm

re: #79 Anymouse

I don’t want to get Lazik surgery; something about shining laser beams in my eyes.

I can’t wear contacts due to astigmatism.

I had to battle with my grandparents (I lived with them after my father was killed for several years) to get an eye exam at all - my grandmother was convinced I was faking poor eyesight to get attention (really, and she was a teacher). Her claim was “brown eyed people don’t need glasses.” (I have no idea where that claim comes from.)

You can wear hard contacts with astigmatism. I know. I wore them for over 50 years, before cataract + lens implant surgery.

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ObserverArt  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:32:49pm

re: #57 Stanley Sea

I’ll say it again, he’s setting up the husband of his favorite daughter to fail.

It’s psychological - he’s not good enough for you sweetie.

Jared hasn’t a clue.

Interesting viewpoint.

So, where does a scenario like that end?

Jared in the oval office with the knife?

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Targetpractice  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:33:42pm

re: #81 goddamnedfrank

If that’s the legit answer then they’re being even more useless than par. You can’t fight Nazis with strict non-violence. Nazi need punches.

Much like the historical White Rose, they’ve decided to speak up after the chance to make a difference had passed and all their efforts will amount to jack squat.

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ObserverArt  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:34:17pm

re: #60 wheat-dogg

For our local harpists. Also, be sure to RT to Bryan Fischer

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I miss klys. Maybe she will see this.

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:34:51pm

re: #81 goddamnedfrank

If that’s the legit answer then they’re being even more useless than par. You can’t fight Nazis with strict non-violence. Nazi need punches.

I have read in various places that is what the white rose stuff is today, from that old movement. The original White Rose collaborators were caught by the Nazis and executed after some of their pamphlets were found on a member.

The group was founded after they learned about the mass murder that occurred in Poland. The point of their leaflets (spread around the nation) was to catalogue the crimes of the regime, and the army’s losses in battle.

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retired cynic  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:34:51pm

re: #85 ObserverArt

I miss klys. Maybe she will see this.

She had a post this afternoon.

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(alpuz)  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:35:00pm

re: #81 goddamnedfrank

If that’s the legit answer then they’re being even more useless than par. You can’t fight Nazis with strict non-violence. Nazi need punches.

” Their activities started in Munich on June 27th, 1942, and ended with the arrest of the core group by the Gestapo on February 18th, 1943.[1] They, as well as other members and supporters of the group who carried on distributing the pamphlets, faced show trials by the Nazi People’s Court (Volksgerichtshof), and many were sentenced to death or imprisonment.”

Yeah, I’m down with the whole “punching a nazi” movement. It doesn’t look like being pacifists worked out that well.

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The Dude Abides  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:36:39pm

re: #24 Kragar

Finally got my internet fixed. My cable modem died saturday night, couldn’t get it replaced till today

You can imagine where it goes from here.
He fixes the cable?

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Targetpractice  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:36:43pm

re: #86 Anymouse

I have read in various places that is what the white rose stuff is today, from that old movement. The original White Rose collaborators were caught by the Nazis and executed after some of their pamphlets were found on a member.

The group was founded after they learned about the mass murder that occurred in Poland. The point of their leaflets (spread around the nation) was to catalogue the crimes of the regime, and the army’s losses in battle.

Unfortunately, their hope that the loss in Stalingrad would lead to widespread opposition to the Nazi regime was foolhardy, as the regime just turned around and convinced the people that “Total War” was the only viable choice.

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:37:12pm

re: #88 (alpuz)

Well, I’m not going to punch my neo-Nazi neighbour. I suspect she is also better armed than I am.

There are times for pacifism (the Women’s March, &c) and times for other more direct actions. (I’m really hoping that pacifistic actions will be all that’s needed).

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teleskiguy  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:37:51pm

re: #89 The Dude Abides

You can imagine where it goes from here.
He fixes the cable?

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(alpuz)  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:38:24pm

re: #91 Anymouse

Well, I’m not going to punch my neo-Nazi neighbour. I suspect she is also better armed than I am.

There are times for pacifism (the Women’s March, &c) and times for other more direct actions. (I’m really hoping that pacifistic actions will be all that’s needed).

Eh, don’t worry about it. Eventually, someone will.

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mmmirele  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:42:30pm

re: #84 Targetpractice

Much like the historical White Rose, they’ve decided to speak up after the chance to make a difference had passed and all their efforts will amount to jack squat.

You have to remember the White Rose people were all quite young. Sophie Scholl was 21 when she was executed. She would have been 11 when Hitler came to power. Hans Scholl was 24. I think we can cut these young people some slack.

People my age (56) not so much.

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Targetpractice  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:47:44pm

re: #94 mmmirele

You have to remember the White Rose people were all quite young. Sophie Scholl was 21 when she was executed. She would have been 11 when Hitler came to power. Hans Scholl was 24. I think we can cut these young people some slack.

People my age (56) not so much.

That’s sort of what I’m getting at, these people stylizing themselves as a modern-day White Rose Society are largely people we expect to be old enough to have seen the warning signs and done something about it. I’ll cut slack for those young enough to not have voted, but the rest of those engaged in this bit of mutual masturbation have no excuse.

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:47:59pm

re: #94 mmmirele

You have to remember the White Rose people were all quite young. Sophie Scholl was 21 when she was executed. She would have been 11 when Hitler came to power. Hans Scholl was 24. I think we can cut these young people some slack.

People my age (56) not so much.

Hey! I’m fifty-six! My long lost sibling!

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The Dude Abides  Apr 3, 2017 • 9:58:58pm

re: #92 teleskiguy

How you gonna keep ‘em down on the farm once they’ve seen Karl Hungus?

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BeachDem  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:02:15pm

re: #82 retired cynic

You can wear hard contacts with astigmatism. I know. I wore them for over 50 years, before cataract + lens implant surgery.

I wore soft contacts for the same period of time with wicked astigmatism. Never had a problem. But the cataract surgery turned my 20/400 and 20/600 eyes to 20/20 and 20/40. Loving it.

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teleskiguy  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:03:31pm

re: #97 The Dude Abides

Bowling ball to the gut.

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:05:15pm

re: #98 BeachDem

I wore soft contacts for the same period of time with wicked astigmatism. Never had a problem. But the cataract surgery turned my 20/400 and 20/600 eyes to 20/20 and 20/40. Loving it.

Hmm. I was told I could not wear contacts, but that was decades ago; I imagine the technology has advanced since I last asked about it.

I get along okay with spectacles so I’ll just go with those. I don’t need much of a sterilisation system for them either other than Windex and paper towels. (I’m also old-school: My glasses really are glass.)

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teleskiguy  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:09:52pm

re: #100 Anymouse

My eldest sister underwent Lasik surgery many years ago. She had worn corrective glass lenses since she was eight. She’s never had to wear glasses again. She did have one of the best Lasik eye surgeons work on her. YMMV

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:10:22pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

Trump is acting in the manner of a CEO: Pure nepotism that will lead to an utter clusterfuck that poor fuckers lower on the totem pole will be expected to fix or be blamed and fired.

Most CEO’s don’t inherit their position. They may be autocratic, egotistic, with an inflated sense of their ability, but usually they actually have real skills and intelligence and experience and get into trouble when they overestimate their knowledge. Few are like Trump: combining the skills of a demagogue with a total lack of knowledge, relevant experience and any understanding of issues. Our former CEO was actually a brilliant man but when our privately held company went public, he was arrogant enough to think that there was no difference between running a private company and a public company — and that led to his downfall. Trump thinks there is no difference between running a family-owned business and a large democracy. Let’s hope he leaves before he destroys his new operation.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:12:59pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:13:38pm

re: #98 BeachDem

I wore soft contacts for the same period of time with wicked astigmatism. Never had a problem. But the cataract surgery turned my 20/400 and 20/600 eyes to 20/20 and 20/40. Loving it.

Are you able to read without wearing glasses?

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Targetpractice  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:16:46pm

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

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I will never understand how these morons didn’t see this coming. The Rio Grande constitutes much of the defacto US/Mexico border. Did they think that the wall was going to be built in the middle of the river? If not, then we were going to be ceding land to Mexico regardless. Unless they thought we were going to be building in Mexico, in which case they’re out of their fucking gourds as well as dumb as stumps.

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:18:03pm

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

I don’t suppose she thought for a second about where they were going to build the Tortilla Curtain - it was the half-century of GOP race-baiting over Mexico that drove her vote.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:18:51pm

re: #101 teleskiguy

My eldest sister underwent Lasik surgery many years ago. She had worn corrective glass lenses since she was eight. She’s never had to wear glasses again. She did have one of the best Lasik eye surgeons work on her. YMMV

She’ll be OK until she hits late middle age and presbyopia sneaks up on her. I wear contacts to correct near-sightedness, but I use reading glasses occasionally if I’m going to read something for any length of time. The other option is bifocals, which I am trying to forestall as long as possible. I’ve needed glasses since first grade. When I switched to contacts 15 years ago, it was like seeing everything fresh again.

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:20:28pm

re: #107 wheat-dogg

She’ll be OK until she hits late middle age and presbyopia sneaks up on her. I wear contacts to correct near-sightedness, but I use reading glasses occasionally if I’m going to read something for any length of time. The other option is bifocals, which I am trying to forestall as long as possible. I’ve needed glasses since first grade. When I switched to contacts 15 years ago, it was like seeing everything fresh again.

I started wearing glasses at fifteen. When I went in the Navy, they said “bifocals for you.” I’ve worn bifocals ever since. I doubt presbyopia is ever going to be a problem for me.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:20:30pm

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

On the bright side, her property taxes will probably go down. /

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Targetpractice  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:21:35pm

So wait, if people’s homes will fall on the Mexico side of the Great Wall of Trump, will that make them illegal immigrants in Mexico? Oh, the irony.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:24:13pm

BBC story about Trump meeting with Egypt’s president. Note the body language. As with Merkel, the visiting dignitary seems quite relaxed, sitting comfortably in the chair, while Trump is sitting on the edge of his chair, with his hands between his knees, leaning forward. Either he’s trying to show “high energy” or he’s still not comfortable as a head of state.

bbc.com

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:24:28pm

re: #110 Targetpractice

So wait, if people’s homes will fall on the Mexico side of the Great Wall of Trump, will that make them illegal immigrants in Mexico? Oh, the irony.

Well, like the Berlin Wall, the Tortilla Curtain would be built on US territory. So she would still live in the USA, but might have to drive dozens or hundreds of miles to get to an opening in the wall (a border crossing - where she gets the lovely experience of going through Customs).

More likely, there ain’t going to be a wall for the same reason Geo. W. Bush didn’t get one (the same landowners sued). You’d think after the first time they would have figured this out.

And I’ll bet she votes for the (R) next time too.

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Targetpractice  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:29:19pm

re: #112 Anymouse

Well, like the Berlin Wall, the Tortilla Curtain would be built on US territory. So she would still live in the USA, but might have to drive dozens or hundreds of miles to get to an opening in the wall (a border crossing - where she gets the lovely experience of going through Customs).

More likely, there ain’t going to be a wall for the same reason Geo. W. Bush didn’t get one (the same landowners sued). You’d think after the first time they would have figured this out.

And I’ll bet she votes for the (R) next time too.

When the GWoT isn’t built by 2020, she’ll damn Democrats for standing in the way as she pulls the lever for Trump. And if someone brings up the proposed path of said wall, she’ll tell them that she’s sure that the matter would have been resolved with her safely on the US side because there’s no way Trump would fuck over American citizens.

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:29:47pm

re: #110 Targetpractice

So wait, if people’s homes will fall on the Mexico side of the Great Wall of Trump, will that make them illegal immigrants in Mexico? Oh, the irony.

We could just sell the territory to Mexico, which I suppose means they could either leave or become Mexican citizens.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:31:01pm

re: #111 wheat-dogg

If you watch that clip, one Trump stumbles through the usual pleasantries about al-Sisi, he launches into a non sequitur about building up the US military to a point never before seen, or words to that effect. I’m not sure what that has to do with Egypt, but if I were al-Sisi, I’d be worried.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:32:39pm

re: #114 Anymouse

We could just sell the territory to Mexico, which I suppose means they could either leave or become Mexican citizens.

What’s Mexico’s health care like? Do they have national health insurance? I know Mexico is a top spot for US retirees to live.

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:45:06pm

re: #116 wheat-dogg

What’s Mexico’s health care like? Do they have national health insurance? I know Mexico is a top spot for US retirees to live.

My wife was visiting Mexico several years ago, and broke a filling in a tooth.

She went to a Mexican dentist who fixed that and a couple other fillings. The charge was $20.

Mexico instituted universal health care in 2012.
en.wikipedia.org

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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:49:23pm

re: #117 Anymouse

My wife was visiting Mexico several years ago, and broke a filling in a tooth.

She went to a Mexican dentist who fixed that and a couple other fillings. The charge was $20.

Mexico instituted universal health care in 2012.
en.wikipedia.org

Nice to know. I figure when I get around to retiring on my SS, I’ll have to live south of the border somewhere.

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:50:54pm

re: #118 wheat-dogg

Nice to know. I figure when I get around to retiring on my SS, I’ll have to live south of the border somewhere.

The same Wikipedia article notes that many Americans who live near the Mexican border avail themselves of the Mexican health care system. While it is not free for them (they are not Mexican citizens) it is way cheaper than equivalent care in the USA.

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majii  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:51:10pm

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

“‘If I have to get a lawyer, I will’: Trump voter upset the border wall will put her house on Mexico side”

I’m laughing at their dumb *sses. They voted for Trump while hearing him talk constantly about building a wall at the border.

Did they think he’d make some sort of special concession for them? If they did, they’re dumber than I thought they were when I watched them cheer Trump every time he talked about the wall on the campaign trail last year.

Bell and other Trump voters had better get used to him breaking his promises because, that’s who Trump is.

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Anymouse  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:51:51pm

Mexico also has a health tourism board.
visitmexico.com (in English)

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teleskiguy  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:52:59pm

A good friend in Salt Lake City took this picture earlier tonight.

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majii  Apr 3, 2017 • 10:54:02pm

re: #118 wheat-dogg

“Nice to know. I figure when I get around to retiring on my SS, I’ll have to live south of the border somewhere.”

My youngest brother works for Boeing in Washington State and plans to retire in September of this year. He mentioned moving to Mexico after retirement, probably next year.

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Cheechako  Apr 3, 2017 • 11:07:23pm

re: #118 wheat-dogg

Nice to know. I figure when I get around to retiring on my SS, I’ll have to live south of the border somewhere.

Dental and eye care are very inexpensive in Mexico. Border towns like Los Algodones (west of Yuma AZ) have a lot of dentists and optometrists. A $4,000 dental bridge is less than $400 in Mexico. If you need glasses, they will take the required info and have a newly constructed pair delivered to the office in about an hour.

The parking lot on the US side for visitors to Los Algodones can handle more than 5,000 vehicles. Many are snowbirds from Canada.

Also prescription drugs are very inexpensive. A Z-Pac antibiotic ($80 US) sells for about $4 in Mexico. A 100 pill bottle of amoxicillin goes for about $3.

If you have certain “deficiencies” a 4 pack of viagra or cialis is about $10.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2017 • 11:12:44pm

re: #124 Cheechako

Dental and eye care are very inexpensive in Mexico. Border towns like Los Algodones (west of Yuma AZ) have a lot of dentists and optometrists. A $4,000 dental bridge is less than $400 in Mexico. If you need glasses, they will take the required info and have a newly constructed pair delivered to the office in about an hour.

The parking lot on the US side for visitors to Los Algodones can handle more than 5,000 vehicles. Many are snowbirds from Canada.

Also prescription drugs are very inexpensive. A Z-Pac antibiotic ($80 US) sells for about $4 in Mexico. A 100 pill bottle of amoxicillin goes for about $3.

If you have certain “deficiencies” a 4 pack of viagra or cialis is about $10.

Similar to the situations in Thailand and Malaysia, which are also medical tourism destinations.

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The Dude Abides  Apr 3, 2017 • 11:21:42pm

re: #99 teleskiguy

Bowling ball to the gut.

Unfortunately Bunny’s tummy looks like it was on the receiving end of one of those after her multiple botched liposuctions.

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The Dude Abides  Apr 3, 2017 • 11:27:20pm

re: #125 wheat-dogg

Similar to the situations in Thailand and Malaysia, which are also medical tourism destinations.

My first retirement destination will be Penang.

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Puss Power  Apr 3, 2017 • 11:57:28pm

re: #107 wheat-dogg

She’ll be OK until she hits late middle age and presbyopia sneaks up on her. I wear contacts to correct near-sightedness, but I use reading glasses occasionally if I’m going to read something for any length of time. The other option is bifocals, which I am trying to forestall as long as possible. I’ve needed glasses since first grade. When I switched to contacts 15 years ago, it was like seeing everything fresh again.

Progressive lenses. I used bifocals for years, then switched over. They take some getting used to, but you’ll never look back.

(The dark side is that they cost a lot more than bifocals. Fortunately, I have good insurance.)

Going to bed now, but I thought I’d mention that.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 4, 2017 • 12:14:00am

re: #127 The Dude Abides

My first retirement destination will be Penang.

Oh, yeah! I can recommend George Town. I spent a week there last winter. Very cosmopolitan, but not so large as to be overwhelming. Plus, the rest of the island is relatively undeveloped, so if you want wilderness or countryside, it’s easy to get to.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 4, 2017 • 12:14:41am

re: #128 Puss Power

Progressive lenses. I used bifocals for years, then switched over. They take some getting used to, but you’ll never look back.

(The dark side is that they cost a lot more than bifocals. Fortunately, I have good insurance.)

Going to bed now, but I thought I’d mention that.

I may need to go that route before long.

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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 12:16:00am

re: #124 Cheechako

Well, if I have to flee the country, Mexico is looking like a better destination than Canada. I could probably get my epilepsy meds there as well for little cost if the EU goes through with their threat to cut off sales to the USA.

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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 12:22:29am

Bwahahahahaha!

arabnews.com

(Arab News is an English-language newspaper in the Middle East, link to all of Andrew Bowen’s articles embedded in the article)

Arab News regrettably announces that it will discontinue publishing articles by US columnist Andrew Bowen.

The reason behind this decision is the columnist insisting that this newspaper deletes previous articles dating back prior to the recent US election where he was in favor of Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton.

Bowen, a visiting scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, has repeatedly requested the removal of these articles stating that this is needed for him “to be cleared” for what he claims to be a possible job with the new Donald Trump administration’s State Department.
Mr. Bowen also insinuated — verbally and in writing — that he will seek the support of influential friends and contacts to help remove the articles.

Arab News possesses all correspondence relating to this matter and its position is that such a request is unprofessional journalistically, particularly given that there were no factual errors or libelous comments that require a redaction or correction.

We wish Mr. Bowen the best of luck in his job application.

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2017 • 12:38:40am

“Gas attack..”

For fucks sake.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 4, 2017 • 12:41:56am

re: #132 Anymouse

Bowen has sold his soul to the Devil. Arab News is making the proper response. A journalist can retract in print what he has said, but he can’t scrub the previous statements from existence. Let him stew in his own juices. If he can’t get that job with Trump & Co., then too bad so sad.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 4, 2017 • 12:43:37am

re: #133 teleskiguy

“Gas attack..”

For fucks sake.

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Reports from Syria have said previous attacks resulted in symptoms identical to chlorine gas exposure.

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2017 • 12:45:48am

re: #135 wheat-dogg

Reports from Syria have said previous attacks resulted in symptoms identical to chlorine gas exposure.

Why do I have this dreadful feeling that Fuckface Von Clownstick’s loosening of the rules of engagement have something to do with this?

Fuck FFVC.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 4, 2017 • 12:48:35am

re: #136 teleskiguy

Why do I have this dreadful feeling that Fuckface Von Clownstick’s loosening of the rules of engagement have something to do with this?

Fuck FFVC.

Assad was using gas before the election. Trump probably doesn’t care/isn’t aware of the rule of engagement there. He’s just following Putin’s lead.

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2017 • 1:10:58am
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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 1:31:31am
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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 1:35:55am

theguardian.com

(Goes to The Guardian, more at the link)

US intelligence officials had serious concerns about Michael Flynn’s appointment as the White House national security adviser because of his history of contacts with Moscow and his encounter with a woman who had trusted access to Russian spy agency records, the Guardian has learned.

US and British intelligence officers discussed Flynn’s “worrisome” behaviour well before his appointment last year by Donald Trump, multiple sources have said.

They raised concerns about Flynn’s ties to Russia and his perceived obsession with Iran. They were also anxious about his capacity for “linear thought” and some actions that were regarded as highly unusual for a three-star general.

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Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2017 • 1:51:16am

re: #140 Anymouse

theguardian.com

(Goes to The Guardian, more at the link)

“BUT SUSAN RICE…!!!!”

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Timothy Watson  Apr 4, 2017 • 1:55:25am
The Amherst County GOP Dinner this past weekend played host to the state’s three GOP gubernatorial candidates and while scientifically inaccurate answers could be expected from the two trailing candidates, the leading “moderate,” Ed Gillespie, shared a similarly base-less scare tactic against the trans community.

“This isn’t about bathrooms alone,” Gillespie (top image) said in a video sent to GayRVA when asked about how Virginia should handle bathroom use by transgender people in relation to North Carolina’s HB2. “It’s also about compelling teenage girls to share locker room showers with teenage boys. It’s about compelling teenage girls to have to stay in a hotel with a teenage boy on an overnight band trip. And the fact is, we have to make clear, that we are going to protect our children from that. We are not going to allow for that to happen.”

Gillespie’s parroted arguments continue the conservative right’s mantra on inclusive bathroom laws; that letting trans people use the restroom or other public services aligned with their gender identity will some how lead to sexual assaults. But that belief, as our president would say, is “fake news.”

gayrva.com

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Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2017 • 2:05:18am

re: #142 Timothy Watson

gayrva.com

The sad reality in this state is that Gillespie will probably win. Why? The first reason is he has more name recognition in the state. But the second and more important reason is that he’s saner than Cucci and that’s all it takes for a Republican to win in this state: To be seen as “sane” enough to trust with office.

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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 2:19:18am

re: #143 Targetpractice

The sad reality in this state is that Gillespie will probably win. Why? The first reason is he has more name recognition in the state. But the second and more important reason is that he’s saner than Cucci and that’s all it takes for a Republican to win in this state: To be seen as “sane” enough to trust with office.

Well, we can hope that being tied to the political party that includes Donald Trump may flip a few minds on that.

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Amory Blaine  Apr 4, 2017 • 2:19:31am

Good news: Milwaukee County Sheriff David A. Clarke Jr. may face a strong opponent

It’s still well more than a year away but it appears that the 2018 race for Milwaukee County sheriff could get interesting — and that’s good news for county residents. Sheriff David A. Clarke Jr. has become an embarrassment to the county and needs to go.

Clarke’s social media posts reveal a bully who prefers to use his position to denigrate and threaten, and his conduct is unbecoming for anyone in public office. But the bottom line is he simply isn’t doing the job he promised county voters he would do, spending much of his time flitting around the country on book tours or stumping for the Trump administration. He’s ignoring the challenges Milwaukee faces and he refuses to be held accountable for the four deaths that occurred last year in the jail he runs.

In a particularly (and typical) classless post, Clarke recently berated Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett for being bludgeoned with a tire iron while protecting a 1-year-old and her grandmother near State Fair Park in 2009. As columnist Christian Schneider noted, “it takes a special kind of moral coward to hide behind a keyboard while criticizing a 55-year-old man for protecting a child and grandparent from an attack.”

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Timothy Watson  Apr 4, 2017 • 2:19:33am

re: #143 Targetpractice

The sad reality in this state is that Gillespie will probably win. Why? The first reason is he has more name recognition in the state. But the second and more important reason is that he’s saner than Cucci and that’s all it takes for a Republican to win in this state: To be seen as “sane” enough to trust with office.

Democrats seem a little more motivated than usual, so I’m a little hopeful.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 4, 2017 • 2:22:16am

re: #144 Anymouse

Well, we can hope that being tied to the political party that includes Donald Trump may flip a few minds on that.

The governor’s race usually goes to the party opposite of the President. The T-Mac/Cuccinelli race in 2013 was a notable exception to the rule.

So, another reason I’m hopeful.

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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 2:43:34am

re: #145 Amory Blaine

Plus Sheriff Clarke seems to also be entangled in this Russia nonsense … witnessed from his posing in a photo at the Kremlin. Perhaps that would be enough to cause a few votes in Milwaukee to flip.

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freetoken  Apr 4, 2017 • 2:50:58am

New from UC tv, intriguing subject, and I would argue quite applicable to our politics:

CARTA: Awareness of Death and Mortality: Responses to Death in Chimpanzees and Other Mammals

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freetoken  Apr 4, 2017 • 3:00:15am

No idea why these elephants are hanging with dead trees:

African River Wildlife Camera powered by EXPLORE.org

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freetoken  Apr 4, 2017 • 3:00:38am

They’re eating the dead tree material.

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freetoken  Apr 4, 2017 • 3:01:50am

I wonder if they’re after the termites that might be living in the wood??

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freetoken  Apr 4, 2017 • 3:06:49am

Apparently elephants eat tree bark, even dead bark.

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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 3:09:49am
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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 3:13:10am
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freetoken  Apr 4, 2017 • 3:16:03am

re: #153 freetoken

Apparently elephants eat tree bark, even dead bark.

I guess it’s a well known trait, but I thought it would be live trees they eat, not dead ones.

Oh well, fascinating live stream.

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Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2017 • 3:35:46am

re: #155 Anymouse

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No John, the end was when you and every other classless fuck in your party argued that a duely-elected president could not appoint a judge to the Supreme Court bench and refused to give him so much as a hearing. You fuckheads invoked the damned nuclear option, what’s happening now is the fallout.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 4, 2017 • 3:36:41am

re: #154 Anymouse

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Given the security at games, I would love to know how they got that banner into the stadium.

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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 3:41:43am

re: #158 Timothy Watson

Given the security at games, I would love to know how they got that banner into the stadium.

Maybe they made it there from parts brought in.

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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 3:47:23am

Supreme Court Nominee Neil Gorsuch: There’s No Keep Leukaemia Patients Alive in Team (Goes to Wonkette)

Wonkette reports on another wonderful case Gorsuch ruled on: A Kansas State University professor went in for breast cancer and leukaemia treatments, taking six months off work for that.

When she completed her treatments, there was an outbreak of influenza at the university, so the professor asked for two weeks sick leave as provided for the disabled under the ACA. She chose to follow her doctor’s orders, and KSU fired her.

In her lawsuit against the university, Gorsuch ruled that she was seeking some sort of “welfare” or “vacation”:

In writing his decision, Gorsuch said the purpose of federal law is “not to turn employers into safety net providers for those who cannot work.” He said that Grace’s six months of leave were “more than sufficient,” and that attendance was a basic expectation of employees. But Grace wasn’t asking for a vacation. She was asking for what the law provides: a reasonable accommodation so she could work from home instead of going to campus and potentially dying.

When she heard about the court’s ruling, she couldn’t believe it.

Gorsuch never met an employer he didn’t like over an employee, see also the frozen trucker case.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 4, 2017 • 4:35:19am

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Yet Spicey assures us that Trump empowers women.

mashable.com

He forgot to specify which women.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 4:36:11am

OH HAI TULSI GABBARD U WANT 2 B 2020’S BERNIE SANDERS?

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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 4:44:20am

I wonder if Rep. Gabbard still supports President Assad now?

Considering Hawai’i is a deeply blue state, it might be worthwhile to consider a primary against her.

In some deeply red states, I can understand why a Democrat may not always go with their party (just as a Republican in a blue state). Heidi Heitkamp or Joe Manchin may not always be reliable votes on Democratic legislation, but on regular party matters are pretty reliable. (And replacing either of them would likely result in a Republican taking their places.)

Gabbard though? I suspect the Dems could run a boulder for her seat and the boulder would win.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 4, 2017 • 4:45:43am

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

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No dang way!! This has got to be an Onion article.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 4, 2017 • 4:51:21am
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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 4:52:59am

re: #164 Patricia Kayden

No dang way!! This has got to be an Onion article.

Nope. Voted for racism, and against her own self-interest.

A number of landowners on the Mexican border did that. Short memories of their having to fight off George W. Bush’s fence/wall.

I find it hard to muster sympathy for them. I can muster it for people who didn’t vote for this nonsense, but those who went in thinking the Tortilla Curtain was going to go across someone else’s land, nope.

At least here in NE, the opposition to the Keystone Pipeline is pretty much universal: Conservative land owners are just as opposed to it as liberal ones. And Trump’s EO approving a route across the border is meaningless as long as Nebraska is still opposed to the pipeline - and the state Unicameral is loath to take the issue up again after being slapped down by the state Supreme Court.

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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 5:08:25am

Ruh Roh:

Nikki Haley: No Question Russia Meddled in the Election (Goes to the New York Daily News:)

UN Ambassador Nikki Haley said Sunday she is convinced Russia meddled in last year’s presidential election, even as President Trump continued to tweet about the “phony Russia story.”

“Certainly, I think Russia was involved in the election. There’s no question about that,” Haley said in an interview with ABC News’ “This Week.” “And I think when they finish with all of this process, yes, they need to address Russia. They need to act.”

“We don’t want any country involved in our elections, ever,” she added. “We need to be very strong on that.”

Trump has said he believes Russian operatives hacked Democratic Party emails during the election, but any suggestion that he or his team had any connections to Russia has been met with two words: “Fake news.”

(more at the Daily News)

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2017 • 5:10:17am

Morning Joe currently claiming it’s “highly unusual” for Susan Rice to have looked at “political” intelligence and “can you imagine Brent Scowcroft” doing such a thing. He’s not saying anything was wrong about doing it, but “so many” have tried to immediately “whitewash” the events.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 4, 2017 • 5:13:22am

re: #167 Anymouse

Ruh Roh:

Nikki Haley: No Question Russia Meddled in the Election (Goes to the New York Daily News:)

(more at the Daily News)

Russian meddling is bad enough, but when US citizens actively collude and co-conspire with meddlers, that is nothing less than an act of treason.

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2017 • 5:19:14am
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jaunte  Apr 4, 2017 • 5:27:31am

Assad’s forces attack hospital treating victims of previous gas attack.

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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 5:28:38am

re: #169 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Russian meddling is bad enough, but when US citizens actively collude and co-conspire with meddlers, that is nothing less than an act of treason.

Well, there is the pesky definition of what “enemy” means in the Constitution:

law.cornell.edu

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103-322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

There is no question that colluding with a foreign power to influence an election constitutes electioneering fraud. It would seem that would be the easiest to prove, though I am not a lawyer.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 5:31:49am

re: #172 Anymouse

Well, there is the pesky definition of what “enemy” means in the Constitution:

law.cornell.edu

There is no question that colluding with a foreign power to influence an election constitutes electioneering fraud. It would seem that would be the easiest to prove, though I am not a lawyer.

They have not been able to prove that voting machines were hacked or otherwise tampered with, although a bunch of voting machines in Detroit malfunctioned and hundreds of votes did not get counted. But messing with voters’ heads with EMAILS!!! and WIKILEAKS!!!!! is legal.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 4, 2017 • 5:34:44am

re: #173 The Vicious Babushka

They have not been able to prove that voting machines were hacked or otherwise tampered with, although a bunch of voting machines in Detroit malfunctioned and hundreds of votes did not get counted. But messing with voters’ heads with EMAILS!!! and WIKILEAKS!!!!! is legal.

again, what the Russians did is not illegal…but when US citizens actively collude, that is a different matter.

don’t let them distract us from that point

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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 5:40:43am

re: #174 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

again, what the Russians did is not illegal…but when US citizens actively collude, that is a different matter.

don’t let them distract us from that point

It doesn’t necessarily rise to the level of treason though. Treason is very narrowly defined to aiding or giving comfort to enemies.

Russia is a rival, but one would have to prove “colluding with an enemy” to prove treason. Electioneering violation is much easier to prove (and is also a felony).

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jeffreyw  Apr 4, 2017 • 5:41:14am

Imgur
Good morning!

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Dave In Austin  Apr 4, 2017 • 5:43:15am

Good grief, Rand Paul is spinning so fast on their Rice aligation it’s funny.
We’ll be hearing this conspiracy all day now.

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2017 • 5:44:37am

re: #177 Dave In Austin

He’s blowing the usual Libertarian smoke cloud about the government recording everyone’s calls.

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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 5:48:32am

re: #178 jaunte

He’s blowing the usual Libertarian smoke cloud about the government recording everyone’s calls.

My wife called Russia when Hurricane Rita hit Texas and Louisiana, to inform our sister-in-law’s mother that our sister-in-law was okay and they’d evacuated from the area.

My wife was fully aware that in calling Russia that it was likely both the NSA and the FSB would be monitoring or recording the call.

If a non-governmental civilian can figure this out, certainly Sen. Paul can too. (It amazes me that people like Michael Flynn or Roger Stone can’t figure something like that out.)

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 4, 2017 • 5:53:42am

It’s pretty amusing, and perhaps the largest case of DARVO on record, to see the Russia connection denialists dismiss the charges as a “conspiracy theory.”

The denialists want you to believe that the Democratic Party and a cast of thousands (Clinton Crime Family, NSA, CIA, FBI, controlled media, etc.) are conspiring to destroy the Trump administration with…….A CONSPIRACY THEORY!

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 5:53:53am

re: #179 Anymouse

My wife called Russia when Hurricane Rita hit Texas and Louisiana, to inform our sister-in-law’s mother that our sister-in-law was okay and they’d evacuated from the area.

My wife was fully aware that in calling Russia that it was likely both the NSA and the FSB would be monitoring or recording the call.

If a non-governmental civilian can figure this out, certainly Sen. Paul can too. (It amazes me that people like Michael Flynn or Roger Stone can’t figure something like that out.)

When we visited Moscow in 2007 we had big old holographic visas in our passports and these always fascinated TSA so they would take us out of line for special processing.

After we renewed our passports the special attention stopped.

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Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2017 • 5:54:33am

re: #177 Dave In Austin

Good grief, Rand Paul is spinning so fast on their Rice aligation it’s funny.
We’ll be hearing this conspiracy all day now.

They’re sure this time they’ve got the smoking gun…just like they were sure Evelyn Farkas…the Nunes press conference. You begin to suspect that they’re desperate to change the subject…

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2017 • 5:54:57am
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 5:56:30am
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jaunte  Apr 4, 2017 • 5:57:39am
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Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2017 • 5:57:58am

re: #180 Shiplord Kirel

It’s pretty amusing, and perhaps the largest case of DARVO on record, to see the Russia connection denialists dismiss the charges as a “conspiracy theory.”

The denialists want you to believe that the Democratic Party and a cast of thousands (Clinton Crime Family, NSA, CIA, FBI, controlled media, etc.) are conspiring to destroy the Trump administration with…….A CONSPIRACY THEORY!

The hilarity sets in when many of those now arguing that it’s a “conspiracy theory” and not worth paying any attention to are the ones who spent the previous 8 years “asking questions” and suggesting that every CT about Obama was worth discussing if only because there might be something to it.

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2017 • 5:58:31am

The Trump twits delight in thinking that this is the smoking gun that proves that they’ve been right all along, when it does no such thing. Susan Rice: 1) did nothing wrong, let alone illegal; 2) identifying who Russians being surveilled were talking to is an essential part of US national security; and 3) why the hell are so many Trump people talking to Russians under surveillance.

Oh, and a bonus question: Why the fuck does the Trump campaign need yet another back channel approach to Putin via Blackwater’s own Prince of Darkness (and Betsy DeVos’s brother)? Just in case the direct lines went down? Needed to hide stuff that might be caught in the usual channels?

Back channels are useful, as when the Palestinians and Israelis talked ahead of Oslo and got to a deal. There’s less pressure and lack of prying eyes.

It’s just another odd coincidence.

At the same time, Trump’s rapproachment to Assad in Syria seems to be based on what Putin wants, not US needs/interests, especially when Assad seems more than willing to violate international law with yet another chemical weapons attack:

Oh, and in domestic news, looks like the GOP is running to attack Obamacare again. This time, they’re going to dismantle enough of it so that they leave it up to the states to decided whether to keep it on life support. How would this work? The GOP doesn’t care. If you’re in a GOP controlled state, consider yourself fucked. If you’re in a Democratic controlled state, you’ve got a life line.

As word of their latest idiotic tax cut plan that throws health care under the bus leaks out, expect the same kinds of CBO scoring and millions to lose coverage thanks to the GOP that cares only about tax cuts for the rich and burden shifting to everyone else.

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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:02:21am

re: #183 jaunte

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As an example to Senator Rand Paul:

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:02:55am

re: #188 Anymouse

“They’re videotaping EVERYONE!!!”

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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:11:04am

OT: My wife’s homemade vanilla-bourbon liqueur mixed in diet Mountain Dew is an … . ah … . unique flavour.

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:11:51am

About 4 times a minute I hear the word “unmasking” from the television in the next room.

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:13:12am

Propagandist Greta Van Susteren: “I don’t know if what Susan Rice did was proper or not.”

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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:17:46am

I’m pretty much of the opinion that unless a cabinet nominee is uniquely unqualified (or a criminal), the President pretty ought to get the nominees for his or her cabinet he wants. (The Cabinet is his or her advisory panel.)

That said, there are some awfully unqualified picks.

The New York Times has an interactive chart of the total number of cabinet appointees voted on, and who voted for and against.

nytimes.com

They say they will update it as other appointees are put up to a vote.

Those listed in the chart are those who voted against at least one nominee (that includes four Republicans, four Democrats, and Bernie Sanders). Kirsten Gillibrand has voted against seventeen of the nineteen picks, Booker, Merkley, Warren, and Sanders voted against sixteen.

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BeachDem  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:19:30am

re: #104 Hecuba’s daughter

Are you able to read without wearing glasses?

Yes—I can pretty much do everything without glasses. I sort of lost my up close vision (like for reading medicine bottles or threading needles) and I have drugstore readers for small print, forms etc. but other than that I’m good. Miraculous to me, after 60 years of glasses and contacts.

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Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:19:53am

Personally, I think the hilarity of all this is that the wingnuts think this “unmasking” red herring is the same/bigger than Watergate, that they’re gonna drag Obama into court on federal charges for telling the press that Michael Flynn talked to Russian officials. That if they can convince people that “unmasking” was a horrendous crime, then they don’t have to address how they still haven’t proven that the Trump Tower was wiretapped at Obama’s command.

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:22:27am

re: #193 Anymouse

Out of all the people Trump nominated for his cabinet, there’s perhaps 2-3 who might reasonably be considered qualified.

Chao for Transportation.
Mattis for Sec. Def (but I opposed because he needed a waiver on his service time)

Tillerson was a corporate bigwig with no foreign policy experience other than buying his way into oil markets
Carson admits he was unqualified to run a fed agency - any of them.
DeVos had no education experience.
McMahon bought her way into the SBA job.
Zinke is unqualified at Interior
Pruitt is unqualified for EPA
Perry was stupendously unqualified for Energy

Etc. The only theme is that Trump picked people who’d want to gut the agencies they’re running. The intent is to run them into the ground, and when their agencies fail in the core mission that they slash funding even more. Sabotage to force smaller government.

At the same time, the GOP intent is to seek out massive tax cuts for businesses and rich taxpayers so that burdens are shifted even more on to those who can’t afford them.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:24:01am

re: #196 lawhawk

Tillerson is only a figurehead. I fear Kushner will be the actual SoS.

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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:24:21am

re: #195 Targetpractice

Personally, I think the hilarity of all this is that the wingnuts think this “unmasking” red herring is the same/bigger than Watergate, that they’re gonna drag Obama into court on federal charges for telling the press that Michael Flynn talked to Russian officials. That if they can convince people that “unmasking” was a horrendous crime, then they don’t have to address how they still haven’t proven that the Trump Tower was wiretapped at Obama’s command.

It’s DARVO from Republican pundits and politicians to divert their supporters away from the real story of collusion with the Russians to affect an election.

As long as they can put out pablum propaganda crap trying to paint the evil Obama Administration as the real culprit, their voters (who are not paying attention to the news) will go along. Propaganda is a helluva drug.

A small light at my village board meeting last night was concern from the board members in idle chatter (along with our Republican village attorney) that the GOP actively colluded with Russia. Perhaps minds are changing slowly here in ultra-red country. (The village board currently consists of three non-partisan members who vote straight Republican tickets, a non-partisan who usually votes for Democrats, and me.)

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:25:10am

So, this morning, I’m going back in my music vault and came across Guns and Roses. November Rain. One of the all time great guitar solos in music. Epic Slash. Combine with Don’t Cry and Coma, and you’ve got a triptych of guitar goodness.

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:25:53am

re: #197 wheat-dogg

Tillerson is only a figurehead. I fear Kushner will be the actual SoS.

Because Kushner doesn’t have enough on his plate. And because Kushner’s so over qualified for his position as fall-guy for when everything goes wrong.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:26:45am

AUTOMATIC. BLOCKING. FUNCTION. TRIGGERED. TWICE.

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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:27:50am

re: #201 The Vicious Babushka

I’m betting “Ginger McFall Vet” isn’t a vet.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:28:40am

re: #202 Anymouse

I’m betting “Ginger McFall Vet” isn’t a vet.

Red Army vet maybe?

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:30:00am
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Dave In Austin  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:30:05am

re: #202 Anymouse

I’m betting “Ginger McFall Vet” isn’t a vet.

I’m betting “Ginger McFall Vet” isn’t even American.

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:31:59am

re: #201 The Vicious Babushka

Both those give off the whiff of Russian agitprop.

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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:32:43am

Neil Gorsuch taking another extreme view, this on assisted suicide:

Gorsuch rejected that view, writing it would “tend toward, if not require, the legalization not only of assisted suicide and euthanasia, but of any act of consensual homicide.” Posner’s position, he writes, would allow “sadomasochist killings” and “mass suicide pacts,” as well as duels, illicit drug use, organ sales and the “sale of one’s own life.”

Yeah, I don’t think so.

The Washington Post reviewed his book on the subject The Future: Assisted Suicide and Euthanasia (the cover they note looks like a Tom Clancy novel).

washingtonpost.com

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freetoken  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:32:45am

So many of the wingnuts are falling all over themselves about this Susan Rice story… without realizing, or owning up, to the fact that the story is about Russian spying and the National Security Advisor being interested in what Russian operatives are doing…

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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:33:52am

re: #206 lawhawk

Both those give off the whiff of Russian agitprop.

So maybe a Russian vet? (Doctor or soldier, pick one)

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:35:06am
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:37:31am

Some interesting Tweets from the guy that Donny Jr. thinks should get a Pulitzer.

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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:39:15am

re: #210 The Vicious Babushka

Drudge Report. That reminds me of a story about a former board member here. I asked if I could borrow his tablet computer for a moment to look up a state statute in relation to a board meeting, and he said, “I hope you don’t mind my home page.” (It was Drudge Report.)

I just said I didn’t care if he read propaganda. (He later abandoned his position on the village board only a few months after being elected because it was too hard. He was one of those that insists that liberals are lazy moochers though.)

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:41:24am
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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:41:36am

re: #211 The Vicious Babushka

Some interesting Tweets from the guy that Donny Jr. thinks should get a Pulitzer.

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Ewww. That last tweet, if that were a tale in one of the erotic Romance novels I edit, would get rejected so fast he wouldn’t even see the postage due coming.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:44:36am

re: #214 Anymouse

Ewww. That last tweet,

Thanks, Charles, for the spoiler tags!

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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:45:55am
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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:54:22am

Sometimes, the research for my job (not the political one, the other one) takes me into “wtf” territory.

This Internet of Things Dildo Has an Embedded WiFi Streaming Camera and Laughable Security

A “smart” dildo with an embedded video camera, sold under the name of Siime Eye and created and assembled by US manufacturer Svakom, contains a slew of security flaws that allow attackers to watch video streams without authorization and even go as far as to replace firmware and completely take over the device.

The Siime Eye, pictured above, is a device that doubles as a sex toy and as a video recorded, thanks to a camera and LEDs embedded in its tip.

This setup allows the owner to stream sex acts to a nearby by computer or smartphone, where he can record his/her pleasuring.

Smart dildo is also a WiFi access point… yep!

Yup, Rule 34. You know, before I took this editing job, I didn’t know such things existed; now I can write them off on my taxes as business expenses! (Well I could if I made enough for such write-offs. I did write off a very expensive book once and the IRS didn’t question it.)

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wheat-dogg  Apr 4, 2017 • 6:57:03am

There are some devices that should not be WiFi enabled.

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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 7:00:26am

re: #218 wheat-dogg

There are some devices that should not be WiFi enabled.

Fortunately, the only ones around this house are the two computers. Everything else (including my research materials) have no connexion to the Internet.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 7:02:17am
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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2017 • 7:05:08am

re: #220 The Vicious Babushka

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2017 • 7:08:09am

re: #221 lawhawk

And really just the pagan part.

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freetoken  Apr 4, 2017 • 7:14:52am
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 7:17:22am

Wife-beating sexist piece of shit says what

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Timothy Watson  Apr 4, 2017 • 7:17:30am

re: #220 The Vicious Babushka

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He wants to put the Judeo back in Easter, repeal the First Council of Nicaea, and go back to using the Jewish calendar to calculate the date of Easter?

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 7:18:54am

re: #225 Timothy Watson

He wants to put the Judeo back in Easter, repeal the First Council of Nicaea, and go back to using the Jewish calendar to calculate the date of Easter?

Stop observing Easter and keep Passover instead.

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2017 • 7:20:11am

re: #225 Timothy Watson

Why is this any different than the rest of the year when certain non-Jews want to expropriate Jewish “belief” to claim that they’re acting in our name, when they’re only furthering their own religious theocratic mumbo jumbo.

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freetoken  Apr 4, 2017 • 7:23:03am

re: #226 The Vicious Babushka

Stop observing Easter and keep Passover instead.

As near as I (or frankly anyone else) can tell is that “Easter” came about as an adaptation to the Roman world’s contemporary society. Assuming the core of Christianity was started by Jewish refugees, the blending of Passover with the pagan calendar was simply the outcome of the process of admixing cultures.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 7:25:34am

Keep your stupid chocolate eggs!

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gocart mozart  Apr 4, 2017 • 7:28:09am

re: #221 lawhawk

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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 7:30:24am

re: #220 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t know about the UK, but in the USA, Easter is a designated day to fly the flag in the US Flag Code. (I’m not big on religious holidays being in the Flag Code, but you go with the flag code you have, not the flag code you wish you had.)

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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 7:33:46am

So, if the UK National Trust offered an egg hunt with Cadbury Eggs in July, would it still be a slight on Easter? Is the advert for Cadbury, or Easter?

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 7:37:07am

re: #232 Anymouse

I don’t know about the UK, but in the USA, Easter is a designated day to fly the flag in the US Flag Code. (I’m not big on religious holidays being in the Flag Code, but you go with the flag code you have, not the flag code you wish you had.)

Good Friday & Easter Monday are official corporate holidays but not Passover.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 4, 2017 • 7:38:06am

re: #175 Anymouse

It doesn’t necessarily rise to the level of treason though. Treason is very narrowly defined to aiding or giving comfort to enemies.

Russia is a rival, but one would have to prove “colluding with an enemy” to prove treason. Electioneering violation is much easier to prove (and is also a felony).

Russia is an enemy. Colluding with them to help defeat the candidate they oppose would seem to be treasonous. Trump asked them in public to release Clinton’s emails.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 7:38:35am
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KGxvi  Apr 4, 2017 • 7:38:57am

re: #231 gocart mozart

Years ago I had the discussion with my mom about how most of our religious traditions from Christmas and Easter were lifted pretty much wholesale from pagans. She’s not particularly religious - the type of Catholic that you can set your calendar to her attendance of midnight mass - but she did not like hearing that.

I suspect most Christians don’t like hearing that because it means they have to question their faith, and there’s only a very small percentage of Christians who can abide doubt in their faith.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 4, 2017 • 7:45:38am

re: #237 KGxvi

Years ago I had the discussion with my mom about how most of our religious traditions from Christmas and Easter were lifted pretty much wholesale from pagans. She’s not particularly religious - the type of Catholic that you can set your calendar to her attendance of midnight mass - but she did not like hearing that.

I suspect most Christians don’t like hearing that because it means they have to question their faith, and there’s only a very small percentage of Christians who can abide doubt in their faith.

If you look at early Christian proselytizing as a kind of sales pitch to pagans, it would make sense to couch the pitch in terms pagans would understand. The NT says Jesus died around Passover, a spring-time celebration, so link his Resurrection to pagan celebrations of rebirth. Christmas was deliberately chosen to coincide with pagan winter solstice festivals.

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KGxvi  Apr 4, 2017 • 7:46:26am

re: #235 Hecuba’s daughter

Russia is an enemy. Colluding with them to help defeat the candidate they oppose would seem to be treasonous. Trump asked them in public to release Clinton’s emails.

Per the constitution:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

There is actually case law on this. The basic principle is that the “levying war against them” covers internal rebellion (for example, the Civil War) and “adhering to their enemies” means taking up arms on behalf of a foreign adversary in war. (see the Price Cases (1862) 2 Black 635)

Since we are not at war with Russia, it is not, legally speaking, an enemy. Russia may be a strategic adversary with competing goals, and colluding with the Russian government in this manner likely means someone violated the Espionage Act; but it does not rise to the level of treason.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 7:48:48am
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KGxvi  Apr 4, 2017 • 7:50:14am

re: #240 The Vicious Babushka

$71m for a shiny rock. Say what you will about the advancement of the human race, we are still inherently dumb creatures.

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2017 • 7:56:15am
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:09:57am

PAID FOR WITH TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH!

“We’re talking about a very major infrastructure bill of a trillion dollars, perhaps even more,” Pres. Trump says

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Timothy Watson  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:12:20am

re: #244 The Vicious Babushka

PAID FOR WITH TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH!

“We’re talking about a very major infrastructure bill of a trillion dollars, perhaps even more,” Pres. Trump says

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Another opportunity to wage war on the Freedom Caucus?

I need a popcorn GIF!

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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:14:01am

re: #243 lawhawk

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And Donald Trump lied about our trade deficit with China.
census.gov

For 2016 (the last full year available) it was a bit over $347 Billion, not $504 Billion.

I’m guessing he would lie about the colour of the suit he was wearing.

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I cannot.  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:14:12am

re: #245 Timothy Watson

I’m NOT sharing.

Need MOAR!
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:14:33am
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:17:09am

We’re “absolutely destroying these horrible regulations that have been placed on your heads,” Pres. Trump tells CEOs

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Interesting Times  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:20:32am

re: #249 The Vicious Babushka

We’re “absolutely destroying these horrible regulations consumer, worker, and environmental protections that have been placed on your heads,” Pres. Trump tells CEOs

Now it’s a factual statement.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:21:28am
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Anymouse  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:21:52am

Well, I’m off to bed … it’s way past my bedtime and I’ve already been to the General Store to feed my vices (cigarettes, booze, and lotto tickets). Catch y’all later… .

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wheat-dogg  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:23:30am

re: #249 The Vicious Babushka

We’re “absolutely destroying these horrible regulations that have been placed on your heads,” Pres. Trump tells CEOs

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I know I’m preaching to the choir here, but even with all these so-called oppressive regulations, the American economy is still at the top worldwide, and American CEOs still make obscene amounts of money. So, I don’t get this obsession with removing regulations — which, btw, cannot be done easily if the regulations are part of federal law, passed by Congress and signed by a President. Trump cannot just sign an EO and strip every single reg off the books with the stroke spasm of a pen Sharpie.

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:24:37am

re: #249 The Vicious Babushka

We’re “absolutely destroying these horrible regulations that have been placed on your heads,” Pres. Trump tells CEOs

I think one of the things Democrats ought to propose is reversing the Supreme Court ruling that the purpose of companies is profits for shareholders.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:30:58am

AG Jeff Sessions on police reform, “It is not the responsibility of the federal govt to manage non-federal law enforcement agencies.” #BLM

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:32:47am

re: #255 Backwoods_Sleuth

AG Jeff Sessions on police reform, “It is not the responsibility of the federal govt to manage non-federal law enforcement agencies prevent police from targeting blacks.”

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:34:15am
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Barefoot Grin  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:35:46am

Any tweets about Syrian chemical bombing yet?

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:37:31am

GIF OF THE DAY

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:39:33am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:44:13am

re: #258 Barefoot Grin

Any tweets about Syrian chemical bombing yet?

many

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:49:39am
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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:50:12am

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bullshit Spice(r)’s gonna need a backhoe to deal with this one.

Shovel ready projects. Yeah, that’s what he’s going for, and he’s going to make sure that this time they mean it?

All the talk about the ARRA of 2009 is a reminder of what it actually was. Most of the ARRA was a bailout for states so that they didn’t default on their financial obligations. There was a tax break component for businesses and taxpayers, and a small portion went to infrastructure.

That component was watered down and reduced because the GOP didn’t want to pay for it. They slowed the recovery from the Great Recession because they didn’t want to spend on infrastructure back then.

There’s no reason to think they’ll spend on it now, and Trump thinks he can peel off some Democrats to make his plan work.

Sorry, but that’s not how any of this works.

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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:51:23am

So going through the thread this morning I see that Susan Rice is a thing again. How convenient. Her name is automatic hatred for a wingnutter. She will forever be known as the liar that covered for BENGHAZI. Mention her and anything she did and it is an automatic conspiracy.

And I see Johnny McCain is gettin’ all Maver-icky. Showing how tough he can be when he stands up to Trump and his war policy. Then when he sits down he’ll forget what he said and will go along to get along with the old wingnuts in his state.

Ahh…it’s just another day in Trump’s Washington. Let the tweets be what they may!

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Jenner7  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:52:10am

“Sounds a little cruel but that has to be done to allow the child on the left a country or a place to be once born. If we keep allowing to many people into this country, the country will be gone and will be come a third world country like everywhere else. That is what the terrorists want. Sometimes we have to protect our own, and be sure our country will be around for the next generation. After all, most of the immigrants are being sent here to overrun this country. So they need to just stay where they are and progress there and stop thinking our country is the answer to all their problems.”

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That quote is from my racist Aunt after the first Muslim ban.

I threw it back in her face today. Because I’m a bitch.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:52:14am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:52:56am

re: #264 ObserverArt

So going through the thread this morning I see that Susan Rice is a thing again. How convenient. Her name is automatic hatred for a wingnutter. She will forever be known as the liar that covered for BENGHAZI. Mention her and anything she did and it is an automatic conspiracy.

And I see Johnny McCain is gettin’ all Maver-icky. Showing how tough he can be when he stands up to Trump and his war policy. Then when he sits down he’ll forget what he said and will go along to get along with the old wingnuts in his state.

Ahh…it’s just another day in Trump’s Washington. Let the tweets be what they may!

Yes, checking up on names of Trump campaign officials who are in contact with Russian mafiosi under surveillance is the classic court definition of “wiretapping”.

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:53:13am

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump’s weighed in, by attacking Obama:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:54:43am

re: #268 lawhawk

Press Secretary says Syrian chemical attack today is a “Consequence of the past administration’s weakness and irresolution”

Because we blame all our problems on the past administration and claim credit for all of the good things that happen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:55:43am

re: #268 lawhawk

Trump’s weighed in, by attacking Obama:

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but of course…

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:56:09am
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Jenner7  Apr 4, 2017 • 8:56:54am

His press briefing is off camera. Coward.

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:01:45am

Federalism and states’ rights, how do they work?

For the GOP, both are excuses to further an extremist agenda and undermine civil rights.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:03:11am

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

many

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Sorry, I should have clarified: from the tweeter-in-chief?

Oops, didn’t check down thread first….

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:04:16am

re: #273 lawhawk

Federalism and states’ rights, how do they work?

For the GOP, both are excuses to further an extremist agenda and undermine civil rights.

Democrats choose between federalism and states rights based on the most positive benefit for the most number of people. Republicans choose between federalism and states rights based on keeping the few in charge.

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makeitstop  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:05:22am

Seen on Facebook…

So, instead of sending the Secretary of State to Iraq, a hot zone of politics, religion, terrorism, and the military, we send the owner of Monmouth Mall.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:05:27am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:06:21am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:07:05am

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He always lies.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:08:07am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:08:15am

re: #268 lawhawk

Trump’s weighed in, by attacking Obama:

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Oh bullshit, your administration has defended Assad’s biggest foreign patron time and time again. And your party refused to give Obama the help he needed in getting rid of Assad. Fuck off Spicey.

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:09:35am

re: #276 makeitstop

Background. Kushner proposed a mall redevelopment project for Monmouth Mall, but dropped it when the town residents balked.

If Kushner couldn’t get a mall plan done, how can he do any better in international affairs where he has…what’s the term I’m looking for… NO experience.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:10:13am

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Simulate the economy with shovel ready projects? You’d have thought someone else would have thought of something like this before now.

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:12:10am

re: #283 Eventual Carrion

Which is particularly laughable since the economy is doing quite well, and a stimulus of this sort might increase inflation and costs. GOP refused to do so at a time when stimulus would have had greatest effect. Instead, GOP demanded austerity, delaying recovery.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:12:11am

re: #283 Eventual Carrion

Simulate the economy with shovel ready projects? You’d have thought someone else would have thought of something like this before now.

Line contractors’ pockets with no-bid, cost-plus non-union construction projects? Now that’s more like it!!!

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EPR-radar  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:13:31am

re: #283 Eventual Carrion

Simulate the economy with shovel ready projects? You’d have thought someone else would have thought of something like this before now.

Infrastructure projects are pipe dreams at this point. The swivel-eyed loons of the House Freedom Caucus won’t go for that, and Ryan is not about to work with House Democrats to do anything useful.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:14:18am

re: #282 lawhawk

Background. Kushner proposed a mall redevelopment project for Monmouth Mall, but dropped it when the town residents balked.

If Kushner couldn’t get a mall plan done, how can he do any better in international affairs where he has…what’s the term I’m looking for… NO experience.

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EPR-radar  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:14:45am

re: #284 lawhawk

Which is particularly laughable since the economy is doing quite well, and a stimulus of this sort might increase inflation and costs. GOP refused to do so at a time when stimulus would have had greatest effect. Instead, GOP demanded austerity, delaying recovery.

This was deliberate, of course. The GOP wanted the economy to be as bad as possible under Obama.

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Jay C  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:17:54am

re: #287 The Vicious Babushka

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What are some things he has “fixed”?

Ivanka’s childlessness?

Beyond that, I got nuthin’……

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:19:01am

heh

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Dr. Matt  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:19:03am

re: #288 EPR-radar

This was deliberate, of course. The GOP wanted the economy to be as bad as possible under Obama.

Based on history we can at least count on the GOP fucking up the economy by passing terrible bills that deregulate important checks and balances.

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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:22:43am

re: #273 lawhawk

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Federalism and states’ rights, how do they work?

For the GOP, both are excuses to further an extremist agenda and undermine civil rights.

Yeah they pick and choose between both and then apply as needed to fuck everyone over.

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Skip Intro  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:23:10am

re: #282 lawhawk

Background. Kushner proposed a mall redevelopment project for Monmouth Mall, but dropped it when the town residents balked.

If Kushner couldn’t get a mall plan done, how can he do any better in international affairs where he has…what’s the term I’m looking for… NO experience.

Because he was born rich and entitled, like Trump and all of his spawn.That’s why.

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Semper Fi  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:23:18am

re: #155 Anymouse

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McCain, the so-called Maverick, is a self-deluded wimp IMO.

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Skip Intro  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:26:26am

re: #282 lawhawk

Sounds like the storyline on Billions this week.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:29:38am

Facebook Post

Comment of the day:

From Jarrett Wilson
If Assad gasses any more people in Syria Trump plans to forcefully respond with the harshest possible condemnation of Barack Obama

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:32:04am

just. shut. up.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:34:47am

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

just. shut. up.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:36:24am

I feel sorry for this infant for having such a terrible “father”:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:36:24am

Will someone find time to total and post the amount of money that Trump has cheated his contractors out of in the course of several bankrupt building projects?

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wrenchwench  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:37:29am

re: #105 Targetpractice

I will never understand how these morons didn’t see this coming. The Rio Grande constitutes much of the defacto US/Mexico border. Did they think that the wall was going to be built in the middle of the river? If not, then we were going to be ceding land to Mexico regardless. Unless they thought we were going to be building in Mexico, in which case they’re out of their fucking gourds as well as dumb as stumps.

This song makes me think of the Rio Grande/Rio Bravo. (Sorry, Ohio.)

Patty Griffin - Ohio ft. Robert Plant [Official Music Video]

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:38:46am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:40:02am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:43:36am

seems to be going well…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:44:16am
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Belafon  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:44:24am

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hammering Trump for grammar is pointless because he doesn’t speak any better than his cultists, and they love him for it. Just hit him on the lie that Keystone will mean anything meaningful for the American worker.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:44:44am
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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:46:20am

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Skip Intro  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:46:52am

re: #307 Backwoods_Sleuth

He needs to check with his boss Kushner to see whether it was a good thing or not.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:49:07am

Trump claims he told Keystone Execs.: “You have to use American steel.” But they’re not: for.tn

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:50:33am

Trump, who has a degree from Wharton, doesn’t know how unemployment rates are calculated. He doesn’t read his PDBs, nor have anyone who tells him how things work.

He instead bullshits people who know better.

And this is one of the more blatant lies. But it shows just how awful Trump is - and also how easily he bullshitted enough people in the country to elect him. He doesn’t have a fucking clue how anything works.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:52:21am

re: #311 lawhawk

Trump, who has a degree from Wharton, doesn’t know how unemployment rates are calculated. He doesn’t read his PDBs, nor have anyone who tells him how things work.

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He instead bullshits people who know better.

And this is one of the more blatant lies. But it shows just how awful Trump is - and also how easily he bullshitted enough people in the country to elect him. He doesn’t have a fucking clue how anything works.

And his bachelor’s degree major was economics.

Just goes to show if you’re a rich white guy you can get through college while not learning a damn thing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:53:12am
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Jay C  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:53:29am

re: #312 Timothy Watson

“Can” or “Can’t”??

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:54:30am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:54:48am

re: #311 lawhawk

And this is one of the more blatant lies. But it shows just how awful Trump is - and also how easily he bullshitted enough people in the country to elect him. He doesn’t have a fucking clue how anything works.

They elected him because he is as stupid as they are and proud of it.

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wrenchwench  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:57:37am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

[A 16-pound badger worked 4 days to bury a 50-pound calf carcass]

When you really, really want to save it for later. Much later.

I think they both lost weight while all that work was going on. One of them will gain it back. If the camera operator is more honest than hungry.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 4, 2017 • 9:59:41am

re: #314 Jay C

“Can” or “Can’t”??

“can”, I never said I was good at proofreading. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:00:25am
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wrenchwench  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:02:11am

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Must burn image away with super hot coffee…

BBL

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:08:29am

On #EqualPayDay, Ivanka Trump says “we have to finally level the playing field” for women

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:10:55am

re: #321 The Vicious Babushka

On #EqualPayDay, Ivanka Trump says “we have to finally level the playing field” for women

If you’re a woman, and your father/husband has allowed you to get a paycheck, then you deserve to be paid the same as a man for equal work and experience being able to lift the same amount.

//

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electrotek  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:15:40am
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:17:24am

re: #322 Belafon

If you’re a woman, and your father/husband has allowed you to get a paycheck, then you deserve to be paid the same as a man for equal work and experience being able to lift the same amount.

//

He said & I quote “If a woman can do as good a job as a man” (implying that she can’t)

He also said that mothers who work are “a burden on employers” because of maternity leave and flex time.

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allegro  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:17:33am

re: #321 The Vicious Babushka

On #EqualPayDay, Ivanka Trump says “we have to finally level the playing field” for women

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Her most used phrase “we need to think about it”. As in:

Woman to boss: I need a raise. I’m making less than the men with less experience and senority.

Boss: I need to think about it.

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electrotek  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:19:51am

I’m not sure what to think of this piece here in The Independent explaining why Western sympathy for St. Petersburg isn’t the same as it was for Paris or Nice.

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:27:43am

re: #326 electrotek

I’m not sure what to think of this piece here in The Independent explaining why Western sympathy for St. Petersburg isn’t the same as it was for Paris or Nice.

I would also argue this: It’s relatively rare for any attack in Paris or Nice. It’s way more common for them to occur in Russia or the US. The west doesn’t get all worked up over attacks in the US unless they are truly large, like 9-11 and they’re not going to get worked up over every attack in Russia.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:29:34am

re: #327 Belafon

I would also argue this: It’s relatively rare for any attack in Paris or Nice. It’s way more common for them to occur in Russia or the US. The west doesn’t get all worked up over attacks in the US unless they are truly large, like 9-11 and they’re not going to get worked up over every attack in Russia.

Attacks in the US are usually committed by US citizens with GUNZ and Europeans shrug and say it’s due to our CRAZY OBSESSION WITH GUNZ.

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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:30:31am

Did this Photoshop animation based on a comment I made yesterday as everyone was following Sean “The Fog” Spicer’s press conference.

Washington Political Forecast - Continued Dense Fog Created by Increased Hot Air Descends Over the United States Leaving Everyone Asking “What the Hell is Going On?!”
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electrotek  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:30:32am

re: #327 Belafon

I would also argue this: It’s relatively rare for any attack in Paris or Nice. It’s way more common for them to occur in Russia or the US. The west doesn’t get all worked up over attacks in the US unless they are truly large, like 9-11 and they’re not going to get worked up over every attack in Russia.

But to be fair, they’re not common in St. Petersburg though.

It’s also relatively rare, if unknown, for an attack of this nature to occur in Tehran or Dubai. But, would it elicit the same sympathy and horror as Paris and Nice did?

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wrenchwench  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:32:04am

Flip through then little 10 image slide show at the link. She’s succeeding.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:32:56am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:34:19am

re: #332 Charles Johnson

The bombshell is that they finally have enough plausible grounds to state that Trump’s claims of wiretapping were not just a figment of his sick imagination

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Citizen K  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:34:55am

re: #332 Charles Johnson

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The problem here is how much the media will give it credence because they always treat the latest right-wing grievance or psuedo-outrage as if it’s credible right out of the gate and only soften if it gets disproven wholesale. Because, you know, both sides same thing.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:35:35am
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Charles Johnson  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:36:20am

re: #333 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The bombshell is that they finally have enough plausible grounds to state that Trump’s claims of wiretapping were not just a figment of his sick imagination

Except no — they really don’t.

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blueraven  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:36:27am

re: #332 Charles Johnson

nbcnews.com

Iframe

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:38:35am

re: #336 Charles Johnson

Except no — they really don’t.

They now have enough rhetorical ammo to drown out any claims to the contrary.

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:42:43am
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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:43:37am

I can’t believe the effort needed by the wingnut/conservative media to excuse and keep the Trump administration from a complete collapse.

You would think all that lying cover is going to come to a point it all falls in on itself taking a lot of people down with it.

I bet many of the liars are going to be expecting some kind of a payment or favor. But Trump never pays off, so maybe someone gets sick of it all and turns into a big rat and exposes the truth to get back at him.

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:45:16am

re: #333 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The bombshell is that they finally have enough plausible grounds to state that Trump’s claims of wiretapping were not just a figment of his sick imagination

That’s not their bombshell, because that would indicate there was a reason to be tapping. They don’t care that he did something wrong. Their bombshell is that Rice proves that someone leaked the information, and they want that person to be Rice. Because the leak is worse than the crime.

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wrenchwench  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:47:26am

re: #339 lawhawk

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Current Events: Covered best by Ru Paul and a Marquee.

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EPR-radar  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:50:27am

re: #341 Belafon

That’s not their bombshell, because that would indicate there was a reason to be tapping. They don’t care that he did something wrong. Their bombshell is that Rice proves that someone leaked the information, and they want that person to be Rice. Because the leak is worse than the crime.

And because Susan Rice is a black woman who worked for the black POTUS. Visions of crazed machete-wielding hottentots are always present for RWNJs.

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EPR-radar  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:52:50am

re: #340 ObserverArt

I can’t believe the effort needed by the wingnut/conservative media to excuse and keep the Trump administration from a complete collapse.

You would think all that lying cover is going to come to a point it all falls in on itself taking a lot of people down with it.

I bet many of the liars are going to be expecting some kind of a payment or favor. But Trump never pays off, so maybe someone gets sick of it all and turns into a big rat and exposes the truth to get back at him.

I see it differently. US conservatism is thoroughly committed to denial of reality on so many fronts (climate change, creationism, voodoo economics etc.) that lying as needed to prop up the Trump shit show is a relatively minor additional burden. Economy of scale and all that.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:53:13am
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CongoJack  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:55:28am

re: #345 The Vicious Babushka

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Oh please let a thought bubble meme start for this image.

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Kragar  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:56:11am

re: #345 The Vicious Babushka

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electrotek  Apr 4, 2017 • 10:58:08am

Cue the outrage by the Spencers and Gellers of the world:

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2017 • 11:01:20am
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wrenchwench  Apr 4, 2017 • 11:12:39am

re: #348 electrotek

Cue the outrage by the Spencers and Gellers of the world:

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My feelings are all mixed. Hadid never alluded to ‘winning with hotness’, so my bad feeling about that is not blamed at all on her. And I feel good about this as encroachment on Geller’s territory of political appeal through hotness (her ‘bikini vlogs’ were the worst.) But respect should never be based on looks, so…

I’ll just leave this as a CL tribute and go on to the next thread. Oh, it’s reposted there! Come back, CL!

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CongoJack  Apr 4, 2017 • 11:15:14am

re: #349 lawhawk

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Visited my Grandmother in Kansas this last week (was there also for a funeral for my Navy Vet Uncle - more on that at the end).

If my Grandmother could get access to the Medicare expansion she would be able to get into assisted living as she has chronic breathing issues and her husband (the cheapest man alive ~ my step-grandfather) has blood cancer. This access for government payment goes through Medicaid and not Medicare. We would have Granny move up here in Colorado but she refuses (because her husband refuses to spend money).

Great Job Kansas…let all those old people die with no care (which has to be the bulk of your population left as all the young people left the first chance they got).

Lastly about my Uncle. He was a Navy Vet - a welder and submariner. A great man. The Navy brought the honor guard to SE Kansas and it was great show of respect and honored him beautifully. They had a Navy bugle player who played Taps - it was the most pristine sound I have ever heard (not a dry eye during the ceremony). The only issue was during the ceremony the Navy personnel who was giving a small speech after giving the family (his daughters) the folded flag - stated (paraphrased), The United States of America, the President of the United States, thanks him for his service.

My father and I look at each other - we wince - then talk in the car on the ride home that they should have just said the people of the USA and not mention the President in any form. How had has it gotten that it makes me feel bad for my Uncle that Trump was mentioned even tangentially.

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gocart mozart  Apr 4, 2017 • 11:25:08am
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Floral Giraffe  Apr 4, 2017 • 11:29:44am

re: #331 wrenchwench

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Flip through then little 10 image slide show at the link. She’s succeeding.

Thanks for this! WW!


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