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electrotek  Apr 10, 2017 • 9:16:13pm

Unchecked hate speech fuels Islamophobia in China

Soon a pig’s head was buried at the site of the future Nangang mosque, the culmination of a protest by dozens of residents. Then the mosque’s imam received a threatening text: “In case someone in your family dies, I have a coffin for you - and more than one, if necessary.”

“How did things get stirred up to this point?” the imam, Tao Yingsheng, said. “Who had even heard of the Nangang mosque before?”

The bitter fight over a mosque exemplifies how a surge in anti-Muslim sentiment online is spreading into communities across the country, exacerbating simmering ethnic and religious tensions that have led to bloodshed in the past. It is also posing a dilemma for the ruling Communist Party, which has allowed Islamophobia to fester online for years as part of its campaign to justify security crackdowns in its restive region of Xinjiang.

“It’s let the genie out of the bottle,” said James Leibold, a professor at La Trobe University in Australia who has tracked the growth of anti-Muslim hate speech on China’s internet.

Who says that a strongman can keep tensions in check?

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Kragar  Apr 10, 2017 • 9:30:46pm
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KGxvi  Apr 10, 2017 • 9:31:20pm

re: #1 electrotek

Unchecked hate speech fuels Islamophobia in China

Who says that a strongman can keep tensions in check?

History is littered with strongmen who thought they could keep the tensions they enflamed in check.

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KGxvi  Apr 10, 2017 • 9:32:11pm

re: #2 Kragar

I wasn’t fired during the probationary period. That’s a success, right?

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electrotek  Apr 10, 2017 • 9:33:50pm

re: #3 KGxvi

History is littered with strongmen who thought they could keep the tensions they enflamed in check.

The Chinese Communist Party thought the anti-Islamic rhetoric would have been limited to the Uighurs. But as history shows, it can grow and metastasize itself into deadly ways, as they are now seeing it affect the otherwise loyal Hui community.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 10, 2017 • 9:33:52pm

At first I thought I was still on the DPRK News page when I saw this.

Thumper Trumper:

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Targetpractice  Apr 10, 2017 • 9:38:33pm

re: #2 Kragar

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“How to totally destroy any good will your airline still enjoys in a single day.”

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Apocalypse  Apr 10, 2017 • 9:41:04pm

re: #6 Shiplord Kirel

He isn’t aware of the 10 commandments, is he.

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electrotek  Apr 10, 2017 • 9:43:23pm

I can’t get the Coptic bombings out of my head, it was beyond fucking horrific to hear of worshipers slaughtered for no reason other than being Christian.

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KGxvi  Apr 10, 2017 • 9:43:34pm

re: #5 electrotek

The Chinese Communist Party thought the anti-Islamic rhetoric would have been limited to the Uighurs. But as history shows, it can grow and metastasize itself into deadly ways, as they are now seeing it affect the otherwise loyal Hui community.

I’m guessing the CCP’s relationship with religion in general isn’t great. Which is probably another argument in favor of secular government rather than any sort of doctrainian form of government (for lack of a better term)

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Kragar  Apr 10, 2017 • 9:44:00pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 10, 2017 • 9:49:46pm

re: #11 Kragar

Get out of the way, eh!

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Semper Fi  Apr 10, 2017 • 9:50:02pm

Wow! It was apparently both frightened and blinded (by truck headlights). Hope nothing more than bruises for both.

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teleskiguy  Apr 10, 2017 • 9:56:04pm

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retired cynic  Apr 10, 2017 • 9:57:23pm

re: #14 teleskiguy

I wish so, too.

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Puss Power  Apr 10, 2017 • 9:59:04pm

re: #14 teleskiguy

Likewise.

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Belafon  Apr 10, 2017 • 10:05:32pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 10, 2017 • 10:09:51pm

re: #14 teleskiguy

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teleskiguy  Apr 10, 2017 • 10:14:46pm

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

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teleskiguy  Apr 10, 2017 • 10:44:42pm

HE WASN’T RACIST ENOUGH! WHAT A WASTE OF TWO AND A HALF G’S!

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 10, 2017 • 11:09:14pm

re: #14 teleskiguy

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teleskiguy  Apr 10, 2017 • 11:12:30pm

re: #21 Hecuba’s daughter

Thank you! Your words and experience help. Seriously, thank you.

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teleskiguy  Apr 10, 2017 • 11:14:06pm

Families can be fucked up.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 10, 2017 • 11:14:44pm

re: #20 teleskiguy

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HE WASN’T RACIST ENOUGH! WHAT A WASTE OF TWO AND A HALF G’S!

That certainly seems to be a common theme among many who regret their vote; there are also those closer to the Ron Paul wing of the party who hate foreign entanglements of any kind and who saw Trump as a kindred spirit; Hillary was the warmonger. They began losing their enthusiasm when Trump proposed the huge increase in defense spending and nothing he has done since has pleased them.

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teleskiguy  Apr 10, 2017 • 11:14:46pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 10, 2017 • 11:19:29pm
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wheat-dogg  Apr 10, 2017 • 11:29:59pm

re: #10 KGxvi

I’m guessing the CCP’s relationship with religion in general isn’t great. Which is probably another argument in favor of secular government rather than any sort of doctrainian form of government (for lack of a better term)

The Party tolerates state-approved religious houses of worship. It rejects the legitimacy of the Dalai Lama as head of Tibetan government, and has installed its own “Dalai Lama” as head of the state- approved Tibetan Buddhism. It recently passed a set of restrictive laws aimed at “de-extremifying” XInjiang, where many Uighur Muslims live.

Anything outside the authority of the Party is forbidden. Even Christian churches.

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Targetpractice  Apr 10, 2017 • 11:36:05pm

Yegods, a bit more info about what happened on the United flight:

Now take it with a grain of salt, but still this is a pretty shitty situation that they’ve created for themselves. Whoever that manager was that laughed at the suggestion of offering $1600 probably isn’t laughing now.

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teleskiguy  Apr 10, 2017 • 11:47:28pm

Today’s incident is a harbinger of worse shit yet to come.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:36:19am

re: #27 wheat-dogg

The Party tolerates state-approved religious houses of worship. It rejects the legitimacy of the Dalai Lama as head of Tibetan government, and has installed its own “Dalai Lama” as head of the state- approved Tibetan Buddhism. It recently passed a set of restrictive laws aimed at “de-extremifying” XInjiang, where many Uighur Muslims live.

Anything outside the authority of the Party is forbidden. Even Christian churches.

remember the Falun Gong blowup about fifteen years ago?

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wheat-dogg  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:50:31am

re: #30 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

remember the Falun Gong blowup about fifteen years ago?

FLG is still banned in China. Their websites are blocked, and anyone remotely connected to it — like Canada’s Anastasia Lin, former Miss World-Canada — are persona non grata. The Party considers it a cult.

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freetoken  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:51:19am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:21:05am

re: #32 freetoken

False flag on a false staff!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 3:25:49am

re: #31 wheat-dogg

FLG is still banned in China. Their websites are blocked, and anyone remotely connected to it — like Canada’s Anastasia Lin, former Miss World-Canada — are persona non grata. The Party considers it a cult.

What is it about FLG that the Party has trouble with? I have read that Russia is cracking down on Jehovah’s Witnesses. (They are not banned in Germany, but are denied the status as a religious organization).

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wheat-dogg  Apr 11, 2017 • 3:32:18am

re: #34 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What is it about FLG that the Party has trouble with? I have read that Russia is cracking down on Jehovah’s Witnesses. (They are not banned in Germany, but are denied the status as a religious organization).

Falun Gong is independent of the Party and state, which the government dislikes. Plus, FLG practitioners held a mass demonstration in 1999 or so, which scared the bejesus out of the Party. They don’t want another Tian’anmen movement, so they swiftly put the movement down as a subversive group.

en.wikipedia.org

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 11, 2017 • 5:02:54am

re: #35 wheat-dogg

They don’t want another Tian’anmen movement, so they swiftly put the movement down as a subversive group.

An act that the so-called conservatives here regard with not a little envy. Oh, how they wish they had the power to smash any idea they dislike or regard as endangering their power.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 11, 2017 • 5:11:50am

re: #36 Romantic Heretic

An act that the so-called conservatives here regard with not a little envy. Oh, how they wish they had the power to smash any idea they dislike or regard as endangering their power.

Authoritarians differ only in their politics and religion, not in their base motivations.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 5:16:44am

re: #20 teleskiguy

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HE WASN’T RACIST ENOUGH! WHAT A WASTE OF TWO AND A HALF G’S!

Holy cow, actually bothered looking at FEC records. She really gave $2,500 to Trump.

She also gave an absurd amount to Amash. Wonder what she thinks about that and Trump too.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 11, 2017 • 5:21:48am

re: #26 Targetpractice

I wasn’t surprised to see many of the usual cast of characters defend the airline, blame the customer, claim that “we all know the rules, we all know the risks” etc.

But as someone who doesn’t fly much, this mentality seems pretty odd to me. You mean, I should know that in buying a ticket I might not get to actually ride on the plane, or that even after being seated, I can be arbitrarily ejected?

And apparently we should also know that its common practice for airlines to overbook and we should all be prepared to endure the inconvenience of that business policy so we can reap the rewards of the low prices and….oh wait.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 11, 2017 • 5:23:49am

re: #8 Apocalypse

He isn’t aware of the 10 commandments, is he.

The what?

/

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freetoken  Apr 11, 2017 • 5:25:57am

re: #39 Sir John Barron

Perhaps our political decision to support air travel, through massive expenditures on facilities, not to mention the billions of dollars sent to the aircraft manufacturers to keep them afloat (just in case we need them for war) each year, has forced us down this path?

Just think if there was high-speed rail into Louisville. You could get to Louisville from Chicago or Atlanta in only a couple of hours.

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freetoken  Apr 11, 2017 • 5:29:52am

Anyway, as a result of these decisions, we end up with United, which is too big to fail, so there is not much which can really change.

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Targetpractice  Apr 11, 2017 • 5:34:37am

re: #39 Sir John Barron

I wasn’t surprised to see many of the usual cast of characters defend the airline, blame the customer, claim that “we all know the rules, we all know the risks” etc.

But as someone who doesn’t fly much, this mentality seems pretty odd to me. You mean, I should know that in buying a ticket I might not get to actually ride on the plane, or that even after being seated, I can be arbitrarily ejected?

And apparently we should also know that its common practice for airlines to overbook and we should all be prepared to endure the inconvenience of that business policy so we can reap the rewards of the low prices and….oh wait.

See, that’s the brilliance of United’s initial excuse-making, that they blamed it on an overbooking so they could portray this guy as acting out in an unreasonable fashion because we’re all too familiar with the concept of overbooking. Meanwhile, the CEO has already sent out a letter (which the media has since published) that shows they know it wasn’t an overbooking, it was deciding that providing seats for four of their employees was not worth whatever it would have cost to get “volunteers” to take a voucher and a later flight. So that, when this whole mess is eventually resolved, United will maintain that they were always the victim of an “unruly” passenger.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 5:41:21am

re: #43 Targetpractice

So that, when this whole mess is eventually resolved, United will maintain that they were always the victim of an “unruly” passenger.

At this point, they have no line of retreat except straight ahead…so they will try to portray the passenger as unruly and uncooperative and are probably researching his personal history right now to find some sort of evidence to back this up.

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Targetpractice  Apr 11, 2017 • 5:44:19am

re: #44 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

At this point, they have no line of retreat except straight forward…so they will try to portray the passenger as unruly and uncooperative and are probably researching his personal history right now to find some sort of evidence to back this up.

The most damning evidence against them is the video, so look for them to try to discredit the video by insisting that its shown out of context and he did or said something prior to the video’s start that warranted the violence.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 11, 2017 • 5:45:49am

re: #41 freetoken

Perhaps our political decision to support air travel, through massive expenditures on facilities, not to mention the billions of dollars sent to the aircraft manufacturers to keep them afloat (just in case we need them for war) each year, has forced us down this path?

Just think if there was high-speed rail into Louisville. You could get to Louisville from Chicago or Atlanta in only a couple of hours.

This concept is one of many why high speed rail will not move forward in the USA without the feds pushing hard for it. The airlines would cry bloody murder. Here in China, the domestic airlines were not keen on the high speed rail lines competing with their service — the rail tickets are usually less than air tickets — but HSR is a major government project, so the airlines just quietly lowered their fares to remain competitive.

Now the government here wants to build a shitload more airports, perhaps to mollify the airlines. Trouble is, commercial air space over China is tightly controlled and limited by the military. So, all those extra airports would be a waste of money if the planes can’t fly to them in a timely manner, or at all.

Right now, I can take a 90-minute bus ride to Huaihua and hop HSR to Shanghai for less than $100. The 1,465 km (915 mi) trip would take just over 7 hours. Flying is not especially faster, since the airports are further from the city center than the rail stations.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 11, 2017 • 5:50:13am

re: #45 Targetpractice

The most damning evidence against them is the video, so look for them to try to discredit the video by insisting that its shown out of context and he did or said something prior to the video’s start that warranted the violence.

Someone commented at the Courier-Journal that he was sitting behind the doctor, and also recorded the incident. As it is, there were enough eyewitnesses to the entire affair that United and the cops would have a hard time in court defending their actions.

And few people seem to realize that a doctor with patients in Louisville probably has a very good reason not to wait for the next flight.

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Targetpractice  Apr 11, 2017 • 5:52:53am

re: #47 wheat-dogg

Someone commented at the Courier-Journal that he was sitting behind the doctor, and also recorded the incident. As it is, there were enough eyewitnesses to the entire affair that United and the cops would have a hard time in court defending their actions.

And few people seem to realize that a doctor with patients in Louisville probably has a very good reason not to wait for the next flight.

United will push hard for settlement with the usual “You’ll spend more suing us than you’ll win and we’ll just get most of it back in appeals.”

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Archangelus  Apr 11, 2017 • 5:55:42am
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Archangelus  Apr 11, 2017 • 5:58:54am

Gotta give United credit, they sure did find a way to make the term “airplane terror” no longer exclusive to jihadis (and the flight dinner menu)… /

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wheat-dogg  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:08:46am

heavy.com has the low down on the man pulled from the plane, citing the Courier-Journal and other sources. He’s a doctor in Elizabethtown, which is about 45 minutes south of Louisville. I got relatives there.

Dao faced some serious drug charges in 2005 for allegedly improperly prescribing painkillers. wave3.com At the time, he was 57 years old.

AFAIK, he kept his medical license and is still practicing.

I dug a little deeper. The state medical board rescinded his medical license, but after he served his sentence on the drug charges, got retrained for some gaps in his medical knowledge, and got treatment for PTSD, his license was reinstated last year on a probationary basis.

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jeffreyw  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:10:45am

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Good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:10:51am

re: #51 wheat-dogg

heavy.com has the low down on the man pulled from the plane, citing the Courier-Journal and other sources. He’s a doctor in Elizabethtown, which is about 45 minutes south of Louisville. I got relatives there.

Dao faced some serious drug charges in 2005 for allegedly improperly prescribing painkillers. wave3.com At the time, he was 57 years old.

AFAIK, he kept his medical license and is still practicing.

Well, then he deserved whatever treatment he was accorded, now, didn’t he?

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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:14:38am

re: #51 wheat-dogg

heavy.com has the low down on the man pulled from the plane, citing the Courier-Journal and other sources. He’s a doctor in Elizabethtown, which is about 45 minutes south of Louisville. I got relatives there.

Dao faced some serious drug charges in 2005 for allegedly improperly prescribing painkillers. wave3.com At the time, he was 57 years old.

AFAIK, he kept his medical license and is still practicing.

Disciplinary order from the Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure:

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Birth Control Works  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:15:09am

How is it now?

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A Mom Anon  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:17:59am

re: #55 Birth Control Works

Meh. Sigh. Meh. It’s not been the best couple of weeks. Let’s just say.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:19:05am

re: #56 A Mom Anon

Meh. Sigh. Meh. It’s not been the best couple of weeks. Let’s just say.

Yeh, I hear ya’

(momanon)

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wheat-dogg  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:19:56am

re: #54 Timothy Watson

Yeah, I just read that, too, and edited my comment to reflect that info.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:23:38am

How I often feel.

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A Mom Anon  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:26:17am

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ObserverArt  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:28:40am

re: #45 Targetpractice

The most damning evidence against them is the video, so look for them to try to discredit the video by insisting that its shown out of context and he did or said something prior to the video’s start that warranted the violence.

They can try all they want to blame it on the passenger. Too late. The internet has already rendered a decision. United screwed up huge, they tried to blame the passenger and nothing since has made them look good.

I wonder how long the head of United is going to be the head of United?

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makeitstop  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:29:55am

re: #21 Hecuba’s daughter

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A Mom Anon  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:31:00am

re: #61 ObserverArt

I’d like to know why overbooking flights is legal in the first fucking place. In a country that made any damned sense, this crap wouldn’t even be allowed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:32:35am

re: #63 A Mom Anon

I’d like to know why overbooking flights is legal in the first fucking place. In a country that made any damned sense, this crap wouldn’t even be allowed.

Because we live in a country that believes that corporations should be able to do and say whatever they want and consumers should just shut up and be happy that the companies exist to “serve” them.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:34:33am
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Birth Control Works  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:35:06am

re: #63 A Mom Anon

I’d like to know why overbooking flights is legal in the first fucking place. In a country that made any damned sense, this crap wouldn’t even be allowed.

It’s all about increasing profit and eliminating competition.

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ObserverArt  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:37:06am

re: #64 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because we live in a country that believes that corporations should be able to do and say whatever they want and consumers should just shut up and be happy that the companies exist to “serve” them.

So they can make tons of money so their owners can be rich and trickle down on all of us.

Corporations are people too…and now we have a Supreme Court justice that will make that even more so.

I hope some day the government gets back around to thinking people are people too!

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A Mom Anon  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:37:40am

re: #14 teleskiguy

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:37:58am

re: #67 ObserverArt

I hope some day the government gets back around to thinking people are people too!

Only people who have as much money to donate to campaigns and PACs as corporations do…

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Sir John Barron  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:39:49am

re: #67 ObserverArt

So they can make tons of money so their owners can be rich and trickle down on all of us.

Corporations are people too…and now we have a Supreme Court justice that will make that even more so.

I hope some day the government gets back around to thinking people are people too!

Man that’s crazy talk.

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freetoken  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:39:50am

The whole selling of seats thing really needs to be brought up to date.

Why not implement something like StubHub for airline seats?

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wheat-dogg  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:44:01am

re: #63 A Mom Anon

I’d like to know why overbooking flights is legal in the first fucking place. In a country that made any damned sense, this crap wouldn’t even be allowed.

Supposedly, a certain percentage of ticketed passengers don’t show up for their flights, so the airlines — always eager to fill every damned seat — deliberately overbook flights to ensure the planes are full. That’s why there are standby passengers — those few souls who are banking on someone not showing up for a flight.

I don’t object to overbooking if the airline is willing to accept responsibility when all the ticketed passengers show up, and can offer them some compensation for the inconvenience. A hotel stay, a travel voucher, something to mollify the legitimately irate passenger.

But this was not an overbooking incident, despite what United and the press reports say. United wanted passengers to give their seats up for United employees who needed to get to Louisville for duty. IOW, all the passengers in the plane were paying customers who were being asked to allow UAL employees to fly for free. And when that one guy refused, the airline went way overboard in making sure everyone knew who was the boss.

In the end, it would have cheaper to send the employees on another airline or even send them by car to Louisville. It’s just a six- or seven-hour drive from O’Hare.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:47:58am

re: #72 wheat-dogg

In the end, it would have cheaper to send the employees on another airline or even send them by car to Louisville. It’s just a six- or seven-hour drive from O’Hare.

That is the point that I cannot give over.

This all serves to indicate that the culture of service and management at UAL has reached deplorable levels.

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Belafon  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:51:23am

re: #51 wheat-dogg

heavy.com has the low down on the man pulled from the plane, citing the Courier-Journal and other sources. He’s a doctor in Elizabethtown, which is about 45 minutes south of Louisville. I got relatives there.

Dao faced some serious drug charges in 2005 for allegedly improperly prescribing painkillers. wave3.com At the time, he was 57 years old.

AFAIK, he kept his medical license and is still practicing.

I dug a little deeper. The state medical board rescinded his medical license, but after he served his sentence on the drug charges, got retrained for some gaps in his medical knowledge, and got treatment for PTSD, his license was reinstated last year on a probationary basis.

re: #54 Timothy Watson

Disciplinary order from the Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure:
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What’s the point of this?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:57:21am

re: #74 Belafon

What’s the point of this?

to show that he is a thug and a dangerous bad hombre who deserves the treatment that he got.

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A Mom Anon  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:57:41am

re: #74 Belafon

Doesn’t have a thing to do with how he was treated. He wasn’t doing anything wrong when this happened to him. The police also completely overreacted to this too, but that seems to be another problem that compounds many other problems we face.

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Skip Intro  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:58:21am

re: #17 Belafon

Reading about the stories Farenthold ran I came across the one tha proves Trump cheats at golf. It was back in 2010 when his club held a $1 million contest for anyone who made a hole in one. Someone did and Trump refused to pay.

Ultimately he used his trust money to settle for $.15 on the dollar.

So yes, like everything else, Trump cheats at golf.

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Belafon  Apr 11, 2017 • 6:58:22am

re: #75 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

to show that he is a thug and a dangerous bad hombre who deserves the treatment that he got.

/

It reminded me of people going and finding the arrests of blacks killed by police.

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Skip Intro  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:03:45am

re: #28 Targetpractice

Yegods, a bit more info about what happened on the United flight:

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Now take it with a grain of salt, but still this is a pretty shitty situation that they’ve created for themselves. Whoever that manager was that laughed at the suggestion of offering $1600 probably isn’t laughing now.

We’re you aware that the contract you enter into to be treated like a rabid dog by an airline gives them the right to throw you off of their plane just because they want to, say because a Kardashian wants your seat?

I wasn’t and flying will now be a last choice option for me.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:09:22am

re: #74 Belafon

What’s the point of this?

My only point was to be accurate in describing him as a doctor in E-town. He is, and was, but the salacious points are bound to come out sooner or later. I was not suggesting his past offers UAL or the cops any reasons to assault him and remove him by force from the plane. He said he had patients to care for. They should have taken him at his word, and found some more humane way to deal with their own self-inflicted problem.

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Momkat56  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:14:51am

re: #62 makeitstop
After a pretty typical hectic and loud holiday gathering last year, my Dad made a lovely observation about his four daughters ages 47 to 60. He said it was pretty amazing that everyone gets along so well and always has as adults. He was proud of that because, as an attorney, he was always saddened by cases that came to him involving family discord.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:15:38am

re: #73 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This all serves to indicate that the culture of service and management at UAL has reached deplorable levels.

If you haven’t read the New Yorker article linked by re: #29 teleskiguy, do so. I think it is a good analysis of, as teliskiguy said:

Today’s incident is a harbinger of worse shit yet to come

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Franklin  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:16:36am

OK, just finished S-Town (newest Serial podcast). Bravo. Anyone else listen to it yet?

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BlueSpotinAL  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:19:12am

United’s problem is that they are not good at planing.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:19:17am

re: #78 Belafon

It reminded me of people going and finding the arrests of blacks killed by police.

Exactly.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:21:01am

re: #83 Franklin

OK, just finished S-Town (newest Serial podcast). Bravo. Anyone else listen to it yet?

I did. Compelling listen. (Sad about the maze, btw.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:23:12am

re: #82 Colère Tueur de Lapin

If you haven’t read the New Yorker article linked by , do so. I think it is a good analysis of, as teliskiguy said:

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I did. It reminds me of a similar event (and a similar disastrous management style) shown by Ryanair, an Irish budget carrier, which once forced a handicapped passenger to pay for the wheelchair to carry him to the plane.

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Franklin  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:23:48am

re: #86 Barefoot Grin

I did. Compelling listen. (Sad about the maze, btw.)

Agreed about the maze. I’ll probably re listed at some point. I listened to the whole of the series in less than 24 hours.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:25:03am

re: #85 Hecuba’s daughter

Exactly.

I did not go searching into Dao’s past to find shit about him. And if anyone is suggesting I did, they can pipe down right about now. I wanted to confirm that Dao is a doctor in E-town where I have relatives. Along the way, I found about his troubles with the law and the medical board. So, should I have omitted that information here, and just said he was a doctor? It’s only a matter of time before the Louisville media positively identify the guy and bring up prior news stories about him.

I am really quite offended anyone is thinking I had some ulterior motive in bringing up his past. I’m a former reporter. I was reporting facts. That’s all.

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Puss Power  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:26:18am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:27:46am

re: #89 wheat-dogg

I am really quite offended anyone is thinking I had some ulterior motive in bringing up his past. I’m a former reporter. I was reporting facts. That’s all.

Somebody already pointed out that it is common in cases like this to paint minority victims of police violence as a thugs or criminals who somehow deserved it.

Just a matter of time before we see photos of somebody’s orbital blowout…

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:27:50am

re: #12 Eclectic Cyborg

Get out of the way, eh!

Was he on his way into a Tim Hortons? :-)

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Archangelus  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:27:55am

While this is apparently a considerable blow (saw someone mentioning that “it equates to about $670 million”), I’ll be happy once it falls by double digits…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:29:56am

re: #93 Archangelus

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While this is apparently a considerable blow (saw someone mentioning that “it equates to about $670 million”), I’ll be happy once it falls by double digits…

a fraction of the cost of simply putting those employees on another airline or a chartered flight or bus to Louisville…

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TedStriker  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:30:15am

re: #89 wheat-dogg

I did not go searching into Dao’s past to find shit about him. And if anyone is suggesting I did, they can pipe down right about now. I wanted to confirm that Dao is a doctor in E-town where I have relatives. Along the way, I found about his troubles with the law and the medical board. So, should I have omitted that information here, and just said he was a doctor? It’s only a matter of time before the Louisville media positively identify the guy and bring up prior news stories about him.

I am really quite offended anyone is thinking I had some ulterior motive in bringing up his past. I’m a former reporter. I was reporting facts. That’s all.

I agree with some of the others that Dao’s rap sheet and disciplinary record by the medical board shouldn’t be germane to what United and the Chicago airport police did to him, but I also agree with you that, if you found that info just Googling him, defenders of United and the Chicago airport police’s actions (and, also, bigoted shitheads in general) have already found it too and will attempt to use it to say that Dao deserved what he got, which is utter and complete bullshit.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:30:47am

re: #91 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Somebody already pointed out that it is common in cases like this to paint minority victims of police violence as a thugs or criminals who somehow deserved it.

Just a matter of time before we see photos of somebody’s orbital blowout…

Yeah, I read that. I wasn’t doing that. End of story.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:31:09am

re: #95 TedStriker

I agree with some of the others that Dao’s rap sheet and disciplinary record by the medical board shouldn’t be germane to what United and the Chicago airport police did to him, but I also agree with you, that if you found that info just Googling him, defenders of United and the Chicago airport police’s action (and, also, RWNJ shitheads in general) have already found it too and will attempt to use it to say that Dao deserved what he got, which is utter and complete bullshit.

All of which the “Freedom” and “Liberty” and “Don’t Tread On Me” crowd is busy doing.

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makeitstop  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:31:32am

re: #80 wheat-dogg

He said he had patients to care for. They should have taken him at his word, and found some more humane way to deal with their own self-inflicted problem.

An interesting point in his background is the PTSD.

Watching that video taken after he got back on the plane (and I’ll never understand how they let that happen), when he was running up and down the aisle repeating ‘I have to get back home,’ it sure looks as though they triggered the fuck out of the poor guy.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:31:35am

What about men? Lies, statistics … and peddling myths about violence against women

hmmm, while I also think there is as much violence with women as the abusers as men. First because men are even less likely to report, but more because the stats from the military on Sexual Assault show the genders are even.

The Cycle of Violence definitely takes two —yet, words are not fists.

Please read this and weigh in lizards.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:32:48am

re: #95 TedStriker

I agree with some of the others that Dao’s rap sheet and disciplinary record by the medical board shouldn’t be germane to what United and the Chicago airport police did to him, but I also agree with you, that if you found that info just Googling him, defenders of United and the Chicago airport police’s action (and, also, bigoted shitheads in general) have already found it too and will attempt to use it to say that Dao deserved what he got, which is utter and complete bullshit.

If I can figure out to search for disciplinary information on the guy, I’m sure one of RageFurby’s “interns” can too.

Would you prefer to have a heads up about the information or wait to see one of those shitsheads or a RWNJ family member or friend post it on Facebook?

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wheat-dogg  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:32:55am

re: #95 TedStriker

I agree with some of the others that Dao’s rap sheet and disciplinary record by the medical board shouldn’t be germane to what United and the Chicago airport police did to him, but I also agree with you, that if you found that info just Googling him, defenders of United and the Chicago airport police’s action (and, also, bigoted shitheads in general) have already found it too and will attempt to use it to say that Dao deserved what he got, which is utter and complete bullshit.

I hope he takes United to court, and refuses a settlement. I’d like to hear United’s reasons for choosing him and not some other person on the plane for removal. Plaintiffs would be entitled to discovery.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:33:01am

re: #83 Franklin

OK, just finished S-Town (newest Serial podcast). Bravo. Anyone else listen to it yet?

link please

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:34:54am

re: #88 Franklin

Agreed about the maze. I’ll probably re listed at some point. I listened to the whole of the series in less than 24 hours.

It in some ways was a good reminder to me that people are complicated and a warning against stereotypes—until suddenly one of those complicated people reconfirms the stereotypes.

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Belafon  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:34:56am

re: #89 wheat-dogg

I am really quite offended anyone is thinking I had some ulterior motive in bringing up his past. I’m a former reporter. I was reporting facts. That’s all.

I just want to make sure we don’t change the subject from United to this guy’s past. And, as it’s been talked about here before, our “objectivity” can be colored by our experience or lack thereof. Would it not have been better just to say that he is a doctor?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:35:38am

re: #98 makeitstop

An interesting point in his background is the PTSD.

Watching that video taken after he got back on the plane (and I’ll never understand how they let that happen), when he was running up and down the aisle repeating ‘I have to get back home,’ it sure looks as though they triggered the fuck out of the poor guy.

special snowflakes, always demanding “safe spaces”…

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TedStriker  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:36:13am

re: #101 wheat-dogg

I hope he takes United to court, and refuses a settlement. I’d like to hear United’s reasons for choosing him and not some other person on the plane for removal. Plaintiffs would be entitled to discovery.

Per United, when an “overbooked” flight gets to that point, their computer system supposedly chooses people at random to boot; however, given United’s appalling customer service, I’ll bet it’s not exactly “random” at all.

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Puss Power  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:36:58am

re: #99 Birth Control Works

Someone or other (years ago) looking at those numbers pointed out that men are rarely in fear for their lives because of abuse.

How many (straight) men, compared to women, are killed by their partners?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:37:11am

re: #104 Belafon

I just want to make sure we don’t change the subject from United to this guy’s past. And, as it’s been talked about here before, our “objectivity” can be colored by our experience or lack thereof. Would it not have been better just to say that he is a doctor?

we are not, w-d was just pointing out the kind of poop that is going to be flung at the guy for the very purpose of distracting from United and the police

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Belafon  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:37:22am

re: #99 Birth Control Works

What about men? Lies, statistics … and peddling myths about violence against women

hmmm, while I also think there is as much violence with women as the abusers as men. First because men are even less likely to report, but more because the stats from the military on Sexual Assault show the genders are even.

The Cycle of Violence definitely takes two —yet, words are not fists.

Please read this and weigh in lizards.

Those arguments are annoying: “It’s happening to men to.” And? We can tackle all of it. People shouldn’t use that as an excuse to do nothing.

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Franklin  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:37:45am

re: #102 Birth Control Works

link please

stownpodcast.org

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:38:15am

re: #106 TedStriker

Per United, when an “overbooked” flight gets to that point, their computer system supposedly chooses people at random to boot; however, given United’s appalling customer service, I’ll bet it’s not exactly “random” at all.

one would think that it would be based on the last (non-club member) passenger who booked…

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Birth Control Works  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:38:21am

He is still (mentally) in college.

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Belafon  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:38:27am

re: #108 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we are not, w-d was just pointing out the kind of poop that is going to be flung at the guy for the very purpose of distracting from United and the police

You’re right. I meant “we” in the royal sense, like beyond this site.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:39:54am

re: #110 Franklin

stownpodcast.org

Thanks, I love free.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:39:57am

re: #113 Belafon

You’re right. I meant “we” in the royal sense, like beyond this site.

we understand

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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:41:05am

re: #112 Birth Control Works

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He is still (mentally) in college prep-school grade school kindergarten.

Fix that, I think, kept having to change my own corrections. :)

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Decatur Deb  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:42:06am

re: #106 TedStriker

Per United, when an “overbooked” flight gets to that point, their computer system supposedly chooses people at random to boot; however, given United’s appalling customer service, I’ll bet it’s not exactly “random” at all.

So, in effect, all United seats are standby.

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Belafon  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:42:18am

re: #116 Timothy Watson

Fix that, I think, kept having to change my own corrections. :)

I kind of think he’s still trying to fix the problem his dad gave him on dealing with the black tenants.

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ObserverArt  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:43:46am

re: #75 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

to show that he is a thug and a dangerous bad hombre who deserves the treatment that he got.

/

Yeah. Everyone is learning from Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:44:27am

re: #119 ObserverArt

Yeah. Everyone is learning from Trump.

That was going on long before Trump.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:47:31am

re: #112 Birth Control Works

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He is still (mentally) in college.

SO. MUCH. WINNING!! BIGLY!!1!!

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BigPapa  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:47:44am

Oh look, Tomi retweeted me mocking her.
Edit: fake Tomi

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BigPapa  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:48:47am

Should have known it was a fake account

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ObserverArt  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:49:50am

re: #76 A Mom Anon

Doesn’t have a thing to do with how he was treated. He wasn’t doing anything wrong when this happened to him. The police also completely overreacted to this too, but that seems to be another problem that compounds many other problems we face.

I saw someone yesterday mention how all of these videos over the years show how the police go from nothing to violence with no in between. And when you think about it, it is true.

We have a Columbus policeman on leave now and being investigated for excessive force.

Iframe

COLUMBUS (WCMH) — The Columbus police officer who was seen on video kicking a suspect in the head Saturday morning was identified as one of the officers involved in the shooting death of Henry Green last year.

According to Columbus police, Officer Zachary Rosen is under investigation for the incident that took place on April 8. Officer Rosen has been reassigned to non-patrol duty indefinitely.

Rosen was one of two officers involved in the June, 2016 shooting death of Henry Green. A grand jury recently declined to indict Rosen and Officer Jason Bare for that shooting.

The incident started Saturday along the 3100 block of Maize Road. Columbus police officers were investigating a report of a man threatening to “shoot up the house and everyone in it,” according to a police report.

According to court documents, police chased the suspect south from the home on Maize Road. Officers caught up with him in the 800 block of Weldon Avenue.

Video posted to YouTube by Roiesha Pettiford shows a portion of the arrest. The suspect, Demarko Anderson, appears to be on the ground with an officer on top of him. Another officer comes from outside of the frame and kicks Anderson in the face.

After the kick, Anderson is heard on the video demanding to speak to a supervisor.

Social justice advocate Kanyinsola Oye said she believes the officer used excessive force.

“The guy was on the ground already. He already had restraints on him. What is the point of continuing to stomp him out on his face? What was the point of that? There is no need. You already got him down. He can’t move. He can’t do anything else,” she said. “That seems more like a fight like you’re trying to hurt someone, to me.”

According to police, Rosen involved self-reported kicking Anderson.

Anderson was arrested and charged with aggravated menacing, resisting arrest, obstructing official business, having weapons under disability and possession of controlled substances.

Columbus police released the following statement on the incident:

Based on what we see in the video taken on Saturday April 8, 2017, the action taken by one of our officers does not meet the standards by the Columbus Division of Police. It appears to be inconsistent with the values and training we instill in our officers.

The officer self-reported a kick to the suspect while the suspect was in custody.

We’ll learn more as the investigation continues and take appropriate actions based on the facts gathered.

The officer has been temporarily reassigned

.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:50:04am

re: #122 BigPapa

Tomi reconfirms every time she opens her mouth that she’s an idiot.

Even if this tweet is fake.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:50:05am

re: #123 BigPapa

Should known it was a fake account

Poe’s Law and all that. :)

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wheat-dogg  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:51:14am

re: #123 BigPapa

Should known it was a fake account

Thing is, she would say something like that.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:53:45am

re: #124 ObserverArt

The fall back behavior by American cops is violence, especially if the suspect is a PoC. Meanwhile, white folks are treated with kid gloves for the most part.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:53:52am
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ObserverArt  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:54:43am

re: #101 wheat-dogg

I hope he takes United to court, and refuses a settlement. I’d like to hear United’s reasons for choosing him and not some other person on the plane for removal. Plaintiffs would be entitled to discovery.

I heard this morning United stated they use a program that randomly chooses who is getting removed from the flight.

Sounded like BS to me…just backtracking excuse making.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:57:02am

re: #130 ObserverArt

I heard this morning United stated they use a program that randomly chooses who is getting removed from the flight.

Sounded like BS to me…just backtracking excuse making.

Probably a guy in an office throwing D&D dice.

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electrotek  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:58:47am

re: #128 wheat-dogg

The fall back behavior by American cops is violence, especially if the suspect is a PoC. Meanwhile, white folks are treated with kid gloves for the most part.

Unless the white folks happen to be liberals, of course.

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Belafon  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:59:07am

re: #131 wheat-dogg

Probably a guy in an office throwing D&D dice.

Who doesn’t even know he’s making decisions for the company.

Edit: “Woohoo, my party removed four orcs from the caravan.”

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Decatur Deb  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:59:15am

re: #128 wheat-dogg

The fall back behavior by American cops is violence, especially if the suspect is a PoC. Meanwhile, white folks are treated with kid gloves for the most part.

“Chief, we need your cops to beat up more white folks.”

“Sure thing, Mr. Mayor.”

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wheat-dogg  Apr 11, 2017 • 7:59:56am

re: #134 Decatur Deb

“Chief, we need your cops to beat up more white folks.”

“Sure thing, Mr. Mayor.”

Yeah, let’s not give them any ideas.

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ObserverArt  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:00:59am

re: #120 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That was going on long before Trump.

But now Trump gives it license. When the “leader” of the country is an asshole, that was elected on being an asshole everyone feels they too can be out-in-the-open assholes.

Sure it has gone on before. I just have a feeling it now is going to be going on a lot more.

Add Jeff Sessions looking into stripping some of the policies Obama and Holder put in place to get Police cleaned up and big signals are being sent. Also, we all say how Police have become more and more militaristic and bad stuff lies ahead.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:01:38am

re: #131 wheat-dogg

Probably a guy in an office throwing D&D dice.

Cops rolled a natural 20 but United rolled a natural 1

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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:02:14am

re: #134 Decatur Deb

Reminds me of a House quote actually:

Dr. Allison Cameron: Department of Justice statistics show that it’s a racially motivated form of punishment. Black defendants are ten times more likely to get a death sentence than Whites.

Dr. Eric Foreman: Doesn’t mean we need to get rid of the death penalty, just means we need to kill more white people.

imdb.com

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Birth Control Works  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:02:36am
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makeitstop  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:05:30am

UAL has updated their app…

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Decatur Deb  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:05:45am

re: #138 Timothy Watson

Reminds me of House quote actually:

imdb.com

When he was besieged by reporters over the outrageous Georgia prison violence, Gov. Lester Maddox (PBUH) responded: “We need a better class of prisoner.”

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Birth Control Works  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:06:19am

Shameless Pages Post

Listen to the Whole Thing

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Birth Control Works  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:08:47am
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Birth Control Works  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:10:59am

Is everybody working or something —posting seems to be low.

/

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:12:06am

re: #144 Birth Control Works

Is everybody working or something —posting seems to be low.

/

yeah, this is usually the time that things start to pick up…

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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:12:35am

re: #144 Birth Control Works

Is everybody working or something —posting seems to be low.

/

New job. Reading up on work stuff. :)

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:15:09am

re: #144 Birth Control Works

I was working on a Page, a added edit.
littlegreenfootballs.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:16:55am

re: #89 wheat-dogg

I did not go searching into Dao’s past to find shit about him. And if anyone is suggesting I did, they can pipe down right about now. I wanted to confirm that Dao is a doctor in E-town where I have relatives. Along the way, I found about his troubles with the law and the medical board. So, should I have omitted that information here, and just said he was a doctor? It’s only a matter of time before the Louisville media positively identify the guy and bring up prior news stories about him.

I am really quite offended anyone is thinking I had some ulterior motive in bringing up his past. I’m a former reporter. I was reporting facts. That’s all.

And you are exactly correct:

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wheat-dogg  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:18:48am

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

And you are exactly correct:

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It’s inevitable. It’s how reporting works. How the information is used is another problem.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:19:18am

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ah, the “He’s No Angel” defense. Classic.

only angels should be allowed to fly…

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Belafon  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:20:59am

re: #150 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Ah, the “He’s No Angel” defense. Classic.

only angels should be allowed to fly…

And why would they need airplanes?

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makeitstop  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:21:01am

re: #149 wheat-dogg

It’s inevitable. It’s how reporting works. How the information is used is another problem.

The troublesome aspect of this reporting is that nobody knew any of this while the entire sorry spectacle was unfolding on the plane.

As if looking at it in hindsight is any type of justification for what happened yesterday.

spit

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:24:10am
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makeitstop  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:26:01am

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump for expanding NATO.

Specific mention of Western Balkan states.

Smells like a move to weaken NATO from within. Who would that benefit? Who could it be…?

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Birth Control Works  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:26:03am

re: #151 Belafon

And why would they need airplanes?

The same reason God needs a Starship?

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Belafon  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:26:31am

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

Next week, he’ll probably be against Brexit, but it does seem that the pro-Putin people are starting to lose some influence, even if it is driven by Trump’s need to be seen as something he’s not, a grown-up.

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ObserverArt  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:31:12am

re: #150 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Ah, the “He’s No Angel” defense. Classic.

only angels should be allowed to fly…

And angels are always very white!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:32:06am

heh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:33:08am
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ObserverArt  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:33:44am

re: #152 makeitstop

The troublesome aspect of this reporting is that nobody knew any of this while the entire sorry spectacle was unfolding on the plane.

As if looking at it in hindsight is any type of justification for what happened yesterday.

spit

A “good” cop would now say “We are around bad people all the time, so we have a feeling about people you ordinary citizens don’t have. So butt out of the way and let the police do their job!”

Or shorter…everyone is a perp/criminal until we clear them!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:33:49am
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:34:01am

So, a bit OT, but my apartment building is getting an upgrade; keyless chip entry doors. Got my chip today.

Fancy.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:34:48am

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’ll need to grow my hair out so I can get my Immortan Joe look rockin’.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:35:30am
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Birth Control Works  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:38:29am

bbl

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ObserverArt  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:39:04am

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mark Knoller ✔ @markknoller
“We’re going to put many millions back to work,” says Pres Trump at start of econ strategy/policy meeting with CEOs.
11:29 AM - 11 Apr 2017
3 3 Retweets 5 5 likes

Yeah, since Social Security and Medicare could be severely cut millions of elderly people will be looking for work to get by.

Just think, they will feel more a part of everything and this will keep them living longer.

And poorer families will be putting kids that are able to provide some form of labor to work along with both mom and dad so the family can be a part of the American fabric and feel good about themselves instead of being takers.

It’s all good.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:40:39am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:43:44am
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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:43:51am

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If God wanted those kids to watch Sesame Street he would have given them an HBO subscription.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:46:23am
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Joe Bacon  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:50:03am

re: #60 A Mom Anon

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:52:22am

re: #146 Timothy Watson

New job. Reading up on work stuff. :)

Oh, that’s today.

Congratulations and hope the environment is far superior to the last job.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:53:15am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:55:26am

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Fish and reptiles are the same? Wow.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:56:32am

re: #174 Eclectic Cyborg

Fish and reptiles are the same? Wow.

///

In the Aristotelian sense, yes, so are whales and dolphins.

Not sure if this letter is for real, but I find it amusing…

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:56:36am

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

LOOKS LIKE MEAT’S ALLIGATOR’S BACK ON THE MENU, BOYS!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:57:38am

re: #175 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would be willing to bet it’s real.

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calochortus  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:58:17am

re: #174 Eclectic Cyborg

Fish and reptiles are the same? Wow.

///

So are aquatic mammals like beavers and capybaras.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:58:46am

What is the difference between an alligator and a crocodile?

One will see you later, the other, in a while.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 8:59:27am
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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:00:23am

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

I would be willing to bet it’s real.

Real:
npr.org

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makeitstop  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:00:25am

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pres crosses arms and looks away, declining to respond to @jeffzeleny question on whether his view of Russia’s Pres Putin has changed.

Petulant old bastard.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:01:57am

LOLOL.

The experience of flying United Airlines, as related by Indiana Jones.

i.imgur.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:08:57am

Heh.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:09:55am

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

The church that arrested Galileo today considers alligator to be fish.

It certainly make phylogeny easier. New Kingdoms designation has been reduced from seven to three. The new ones being air, earth, and water.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:11:11am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:11:35am

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

The church that arrested Galileo today considers alligator to be fish.

They were basing that, I assume on Aristotle, who classified that anything that lived or swam in water as a form of fish.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:12:03am

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Huckabee might be stupid enough to not realize that’s a parody account…

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electrotek  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:14:27am

re: #185 Eclectic Cyborg

Heh.

[Embedded content]

1993 called and Underground Resistance wants its look back to reclaim Detroit techno back to the masses.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:17:53am

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:18:58am

he should be easy to recognize:

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:20:56am

re: #75 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

to show that he is a thug and a dangerous bad hombre who deserves the treatment that he got.

/

That he had a disciplinary action years ago could be why he was so insistent that he needed to get home, too.

And that he had PTSD? Jesus. That is going to really mess him up.

I now feel worse for him than I did before.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:21:48am

re: #191 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

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Well, if we take the forests away from all you people, then the fires don’t matter.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:24:40am

re: #193 MsJ

That he had a disciplinary action years ago could be why he was so insistent that he needed to get home, too.

And that he had PTSD? Jesus. That is going to really mess him up.

I now feel worse for him than I did before.

“Why didn’t he just obey the cops when they told him to leave his seat? Also, can I get a count from you all as to who’s coming to my Sovereign Citizen meeting next month?”

/

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DuckDharma  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:25:22am
Donald Trump’s decision to bomb Syria was influenced by his daughter, Ivanka, being “heartbroken and outraged” at the country’s alleged chemical weapons attack, one of the president’s sons told a British newspaper.

The president launched 59 cruise missiles at a Syrian government air base he alleged was involved in a chemical weapons attack that killed dozens of civilians last week.

Trump’s 33-year-old son, Eric, told The Daily Telegraph on Monday that the strike was influenced in part by Ivanka, who he said was “heartbroken and outraged” by the chemical attack.

cnbc.com

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Targetpractice  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:28:35am

re: #196 DuckDharma

cnbc.com

So our allies and enemies alike know now that if they want to influence our foreign policy, they just have to go through Jared or Ivanka.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:30:46am
199
GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:31:04am

re: #196 DuckDharma

She apparently couldn’t give 2 shits about the 2013/2014 attacks which killed more than 1,000.

200
Belafon  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:31:05am

re: #196 DuckDharma

“If you vote for Clinton, you’ll get an emotional female deciding when to bomb other countries.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:31:05am

BBC news correspondent:

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electrotek  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:31:22am

re: #196 DuckDharma

cnbc.com

My response?

“Bitch, please!”

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Joe Bacon  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:32:52am

re: #189 Timothy Watson

Huckabee might be stupid enough to not realize that’s a parody account…

When it comes to Huck Sinn, Groucho said it best!

Groucho Marx’s classic “Idiot” line

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sagehen  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:33:22am

re: #197 Targetpractice

So our allies and enemies alike know now that if they want to influence our foreign policy, they just have to go through Jared or Ivanka.

There was an episode of West Wing, something about trying for a stay of execution for some prisoner somewhere, and going through staff to get the White House to do anything wasn’t working. It was Friday afternoon, they needed action by Sunday to save the guy.

So the guy from the lawyer’s office went to Toby’s rabbi, asked him to talk about it during Sabbath services….

Toby was mightily pissed off. But it did work.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:39:15am
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Teukka  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:41:36am

re: #205 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

Uniteds treatment of the passenger is making headlines in all the local newspapers here in Sweden.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:43:26am

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

But they saved $2,000 bucks not offering passengers the maximum to get off the flight!/

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:44:41am

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

I hate to ask this because, well, because.

Is that a real account from NoKor? I thought for sure it was someone having a bloody fun time but then I read the other day that it was real…which made me do a real double take.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:46:09am

re: #205 Stanley Sea

It’s like Survivor. I know you all bought tickets, but we’re going to have a little fun with a game to decide which of you we eject anyway.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:46:49am

re: #208 MsJ

I hate to ask this because, well, because.

Is that a real account from NoKor? I thought for sure it was someone having a bloody fun time but then I read the other day that it was real…which made me do a real double take.

It’s a fake. It is/was done by Derek from the @Popehat blog and @NonWhiteHat.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:47:11am

re: #200 Belafon

“If you vote for Clinton, you’ll get an emotional female deciding when to bomb other countries.”

Thank dog we missed that.

/

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BlueSpotinAL  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:47:14am
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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:47:56am

re: #208 MsJ

I hate to ask this because, well, because.

Is that a real account from NoKor? I thought for sure it was someone having a bloody fun time but then I read the other day that it was real…which made me do a real double take.

Here’s an interview with the authors from 2014:
newsweek.com

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Belafon  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:48:54am

re: #211 Sir John Barron

Thank dog we missed that.

/

We voted for Clinton and got the emotional female. Imagine how much better off we’d be if we hadn’t voted for her. //

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Stanley Sea  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:50:48am

Southwest is known for their joking over the pa system.

If you’re traveling with a small child, what were you thinking? Put your mask on first and then help them with theirs. If you are traveling with multiple young children, assist the one with the most potential first and then work your way down.”

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Teukka  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:54:09am

And finally, facebook begins to respond to pictures of victims being published on their service…
Facebook removes pictures of victims after criticism (expressen.se, translated)
Facebook promises to remove pictures of terrorists casualties after criticism (aftonbladet.se, translated)

Guess they realized that advertisers and investors don’t appreciate the dead body of a 11-year old girl being plastered on the site…

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electrotek  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:55:26am

re: #216 Teukka

And finally, facebook begins to respond to pictures of victims being published on their service…
Facebook removes pictures of victims after criticism (expressen.se, translated)
Facebook promises to remove pictures of terrorists casualties after criticism (aftonbladet.se, translated)

Guess they realized that advertisers and investors don’t appreciate the dead body of a 11-year old girl being plastered on the site…

Twitter needs to get on board as well. The only people who publish those graphic images are shitheads with an obvious agenda.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:55:44am

re: #216 Teukka

And finally, facebook begins to respond to pictures of victims being published on their service…
Facebook removes pictures of victims after criticism (expressen.se, translated)
Facebook promises to remove pictures of terrorists casualties after criticism (aftonbladet.se, translated)

Guess they realized that advertisers and investors don’t appreciate the dead body of a 11-year old girl being plastered on the site…

Facebook is not a public forum, it is a commercial business site.

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Teukka  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:56:47am

re: #217 electrotek

Twitter needs to get on board as well. The only people who publish those graphic images are shitheads with an obvious agenda.

The ones I’ve seen are rightwing nutjobs, especially in connection with the little girl :(

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electrotek  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:57:42am

re: #219 Teukka

The ones I’ve seen are rightwing nutjobs, especially in connection with the little girl :(

As always. They don’t give a shit about the victims, except to exploit them to fulfill their narrative.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 9:59:17am

re: #220 electrotek

As always. They don’t give a shit about the victims, except to exploit them to fulfill their narrative.

we will post their images, but we won’t let them in!

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electrotek  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:00:57am

re: #221 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we will post their images, but we won’t let them in!

You never saw anyone in the left be callous enough to post images of dead Norwegian children from Breivik’s slaughter.

223
MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:03:03am

So there actually are ramifications for companies who act like Gestapo agents. A billion dollars in value lost. Wow.

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electrotek  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:05:11am

United just made Spirit Airlines look like Pan Am at their peak.

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TedStriker  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:06:27am

re: #223 MsJ

So there actually are ramifications for companies who act like Gestapo agents. A billion dollars in value lost. Wow.

[Embedded content]

Heh…

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:06:52am

re: #158 Backwoods_Sleuth

Karma is such a bitch.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:06:59am
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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:08:24am

re: #223 MsJ

So there actually are ramifications for companies who act like Gestapo agents. A billion dollars in value lost. Wow.

[Embedded content]

United is flyer friendly!

United Airlines: Fly the Friendly Skies

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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:08:33am

re: #225 TedStriker

[Embedded content]

Heh…

The free market has spoken!

///

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CongoJack  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:08:36am

re: #222 electrotek

The RW love their gore. Let it be African American victims of police (or just white people - read: Zimmerman) violence which I’ve seen float around. Not to mention the constant images (even on public college campuses - including the one I attended) of aborted fetuses draped all over the place when the religious crazy people are allowed on campus. Also some of the dark areas of the internet (4chan etc) that revel in “rekt” threads of gore from war, car accidents, etc, which I am sure desensitizes and of which it seems a good amount of young conservatives flock to (cause you know - being sympathetic and not wanting to see a person/animal in pain is obviously cuck behavior…./).

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TedStriker  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:08:47am

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

And they fucking deserve every bit of it.

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electrotek  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:10:41am

re: #230 CongoJack

The RW love their gore. Let it be African American victims of police (or just white people - read: Zimmerman) violence which I’ve seen float around. Not to mention the constant images (even on public college campuses - including the one I attended) of aborted fetuses draped all over the place when the religious crazy people are allowed on campus. Also some of the dark areas of the internet (4chan etc) that revel in “rekt” threads of gore from war, car accidents, etc, which I am sure desensitizes and of which it seems a good amount of young conservatives flock to (cause you know - being sympathetic and not wanting to see a person/animal in pain is obviously cuck behavior…./).

We have become so fucking desensitized to images like this.

Makes me wonder how many of them on 4chan-type cesspools were jerking off to photos of dead liberal kids at Utoya.

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:11:26am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:13:56am

well, ok then….
O_o

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:14:08am

re: #233 MsJ

United bumps more passengers than any other large American airline **The Economist**

and nobody at UAL seemed to consider that such an incident might occur…

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:15:10am

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

well, ok then….
O_o

[Embedded content]

Maybe the editor is bucking for the soon to be open United CEO spot. /

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:15:23am

good grief

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:16:51am

re: #235 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and nobody at UAL seemed to consider that such an incident might occur…

They apparently don’t understand the word Voluntary, either. Merriam-Webster trolled them yesterday with the definition - to help. :-)

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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:17:20am

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

good grief

Maybe someone should start FOIAing court papers and police reports from the universities reporters like that attended?

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Stanley Sea  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:18:20am
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Sir John Barron  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:21:21am

re: #238 MsJ

They apparently don’t understand the word Voluntary, either. Merriam-Webster trolled them yesterday with the definition - to help. :-)

Well, look, attending DT’s rallies are voluntary, for the moment. But eventually….

/

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Sir John Barron  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:22:03am

re: #240 Stanley Sea

Guns are fine, though.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:22:18am

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Petulant fucking child.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:22:49am

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

Damn, these people scooped Dim Jim.

//

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:23:16am

Not that I really care one way or other about ABC because I could easily never watch it again whether they air this or not.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:23:53am
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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:25:17am

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

It sounds better in the original German.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:25:21am

Joe Sonka is calling out all of the news vultures.

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Citizen K  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:26:50am

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

What the fuck is with outlets suddenly trying to jump on the wagon to make the United victim into a rabble-rouser? How does any of this justify what the fuck they pulled?

This ‘he was no angel’ bullshit infuriates me because of how constant and consistent it is. Meanwhile, we’re expected to sympathize with white perpetrators, like the white supremacist who killed a guy with a fucking sword in New York who got soft descriptors about how fucking dapper he was.

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

The crackdown is coming. He’s after all the brown folks, and he’s gonna use this as justification, making us all out to be super-criminal monsters. I mean, this was predictable, but it’s terrifying to see it put in stark language.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:30:05am

jeebus

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Anymouse  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:33:00am

Edited from a post I made elsewhere about the physician beaten by goons from United:

As a reminder, an airline must under nearly all circumstances on domestic flights or international flights starting or ending in the USA, offer you CASH compensation if you are involuntarily bumped, usually many times the price of your full one-way trip, if you are delayed over an hour. Unsurprisingly, airlines won’t tell you this. The law can be found at the Department of Transportation, with the compensation amounts. You have no reason to take restricted vouchers or insignificant numbers of “air miles.”

transportation.gov

(about one-third of the way down the page - read this and be familiar with your rights as an air passenger under the law)

The rules are too long to post here, but generally you are owed CASH compensation if you are delayed by a bump more than an hour.

The airline is permitted to seek volunteers and compensate them however they wish, but if there are not enough volunteers they “must” follow the law. All the authoritarian apologists all over social media today are ignoring what United is required to do by the Transportation Department.

He should sue. The law is clear and United was in violation of it (aside from the assault and battery).

Beating a passenger for not complying with a voluntary call and dragging him off a plane is not one of the compensatory measures outlined by the Department of Transportation.

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CongoJack  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:33:06am

re: #249 Citizen K

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

Somewhere there is advertising revenue that must be saved.

Also is why the news doesn’t go after drug manufacturers for their saturation of markets in opiods etc - the all mighty dollar.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:33:32am

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

MSNBC scrambles to slime United passenger: ‘We’re working hard to confirm he had run-ins with the law’

this is a perverse outgrowth of “balanced coverage”

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CongoJack  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:35:01am

re: #253 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Well…. msnbc did hire Greta Van Ohjustshutthefuckup for the worst hour in television (would be 2nd if Nancy Grace was still around).

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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:36:24am

re: #247 Big Beautiful Door

It sounds better in the original German.

How long until he starts ranting about syphilis?

256
Dr Lizardo  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:37:14am

re: #254 CongoJack

Well…. msnbc did hire Greta Van Ohjustshutthefuckup for the worst hour in television (would be 2nd if Nancy Grace was still around).

Nancy Grace is gone?

That’s great news.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:38:43am
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Sir John Barron  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:38:43am

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

Joe Sonka is calling out all of the news vultures.

I wonder what this passenger’s kitchen counter-tops are like?

////

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Anymouse  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:38:53am

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

Any alleged run-ins with the law do not have any bearing on how he was treated by United.

The “he’s no angel” argument is disgusting. Even if he was a criminal on probation he did not deserve that treatment (and the Transportation Department rules for compensation and bumping I posted above would still apply).

I wonder how much advert revenue MSNBC gets from United?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:41:51am
261
Anymouse  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:42:03am

Another private (and bloodier) video has emerged of the passenger on United.
rawstory.com

Bill O’Reilly reporting on one of the videos last night on FOX News Channel laughed about it on the air, because O’Reilly is a sociopath:

businessinsider.com

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CongoJack  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:42:23am

re: #256 Dr Lizardo

Nancy Grace is gone?

That’s great news.

Last October was her last month on HLN. For some reason something happened around then that kind of took over the new cycle….

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electrotek  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:46:06am

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

We all know that Trump would never have the courage to repeal the chicken tax in place since 1964, when a Democrat was responsible for such a short-signed piece of legislation that stifled automotive innovation in the name of poultry.

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The Crusher  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:46:23am

re: #251 Anymouse

From your link:

Involuntary Bumping

DOT requires each airline to give all passengers who are bumped involuntarily a written statement describing their rights and explaining how the carrier decides who gets on an oversold flight and who doesn’t. Those travelers who don’t get to fly are frequently entitled to denied boarding compensation in the form of a check or cash.

I’m confused to as what he should sue for. (other than not listening and getting a counseling session from the police)

265
Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:48:56am

re: #263 electrotek

We all know that Trump would never have the courage to repeal the chicken tax in place since 1964, when a Democrat was responsible for such a short-signed piece of legislation that stifled automotive innovation in the name of poultry.

And I’ve learned something new today. Had never heard of the “chicken tax” before.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:50:47am
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(alpuz)  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:51:08am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:53:42am
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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:53:44am

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Iran is a failed state? What?

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Belafon  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:54:33am

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

Actually, out of that list, I would say Iran is the least failing of the group.

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CongoJack  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:54:41am

Washington Post: Tillerson brings tough line to Moscow over Russia’s backing for Syrian regime

Oh goody.. because Tillerson is helping not only his buddy Putin make money by destabilizing global markets (IE oil future went up) and helping his former employer Exxon. Please tell me again how the former oil CEO was installed as the SoS.

We be screwed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:54:44am

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

Spicer asked about united video at White House briefing today. He says it doesn’t call for a federal response.

that was a pointless question, and no, it is not a federal case.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:55:31am
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jaunte  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:55:44am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:57:04am

“Lock Her Up!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:57:47am
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Sir John Barron  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:58:12am

re: #275 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Lock Her Up!”

Ah, yes, define the issue as a “law-enforcement matter”. Great.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:58:46am

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

“import”. Like they’re products.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:59:01am
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Jay C  Apr 11, 2017 • 10:59:53am

re: #269 Timothy Watson

Iran is a failed state? What?

re: #270 Belafon

Actually, out of that list, I would say Iran is the least failing of the group.

Probably, but since Iran is one of the Trump Administration’s Designated Boogeyman Enemies (tm), the place could be a Utopia of peace and prosperity, and the Admin’s shills would still make it out to be Hell.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:00:15am

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

lol

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Belafon  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:01:17am

re: #281 Sir John Barron

lol

“Either get your nuclear program up and running, or you’ll be in trouble.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:01:24am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:01:44am
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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:03:07am

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

I just can’t even…

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:05:09am

re: #19 teleskiguy

ID5krVGV6O7+jN2CvvBmmeoeDZwhc4yaGuEck+LBcaigMprYhhLU1zJyxski7JF9

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makeitstop  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:06:20am

re: #271 CongoJack

Washington Post: Tillerson brings tough line to Moscow over Russia’s backing for Syrian regime

Oh goody.. because Tillerson is helping not only his buddy Putin make money by destabilizing global markets (IE oil future went up) and helping his former employer Exxon. Please tell me again how the former oil CEO was installed as the SoS.

We be screwed.

I think goddamnedfrank had it right yesterday. Here’s how it plays out:

1. Tillerson goes to Russia, makes big show of how Russia is on the ‘wrong side of history.’
2. Russia ‘sees the error of its ways,’ throws Assad under the bus.
3. US and Russia, as ‘allies,’ invade Syria and take the oil.
4. Profit.

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sagehen  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:07:07am

re: #272 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that was a pointless question, and no, it is not a federal case.

Of course it’s federal. Almost all flights, and certainly all airlines, cross plenty of state lines.

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Skip Intro  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:11:06am

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

good grief

The sponsors always come first in what passes for American “journalism”.

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TedStriker  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:09:12pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

re: #272 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that was a pointless question, and no, it is not a federal case.

re: #288 sagehen

Of course it’s federal. Almost all flights, and certainly all airlines, cross plenty of state lines.

Actually, yes it is (or, at least, it should be, were we not talking about the Trump administration with AG Foghorn Leghorn)…

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Dizzy  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:11:15pm

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

FFS!
Hitler was a PIONEER of chemical weapons.


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Jangada - Claudia Villela Quartet at Kuumbwa Jazz Jangada written by Claudia Villela, performed by the Claudia Villela Quartet at Kuumbwa Jazz, Santa Cruz, CA, April 15, 2013 Claudia Villela - vocals, piano, percussionCelso Alberti - drums/percussionJeff Buenz - guitarsGary Brown - bass videography by John Mountaudio ...
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Should NYPD Lawyers Step in to Prosecute? Protestors Say No. NEW YORK (AP) -- Arminta Jeffryes was arrested while protesting police brutality. Then the police department played an unusual role in her court case. A New York Police Department lawyer stepped in to prosecute the jaywalking charge against her, ...
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