EPA Staffer Retires With a Scathing Letter to Climate Change Denier Scott Pruitt

A deeply disturbing message about where this country is headed
Former EPA employee Mike Cox (Family photo)

Mike Cox worked for the Environmental Protection Agency for 25 years, and retired last week — with a blistering letter to the anti-environment ideologue appointed by Donald Trump to head the agency, Scott Pruitt.

Cox’s letter blasts Pruitt and Trump for their dangerous anti-science attitudes, calling Pruitt’s statement that carbon dioxide does not contribute to climate change “shocking” and comparing it to tobacco company executives denying that smoking causes lung cancer.

It was surprising, no shocking, when you stated on National television that carbon dioxide is not a primary contributor to climate change. This is settled science and we have too many other important scientific issues to investigate related to climate change to waste our time debating this issue. I am reminded of a Congressional hearing several years ago when Congressman Henry Waxman asked the CEOs of the major tobacco companies if smoking caused lung cancer. All of the CEOs categorically denied that smoking caused lung cancer. We know, of course, that was not true. You will continue to undermine your credibility and integrity with EPA staff, and the majority of the public, if you continue to question this basic science of climate change.

Cox also harshly critcizes Trump for his false promises that eliminating EPA carbon pollution regulations would magically restore all those lost coal mining jobs.

According to coal companies themselves, the decline in production of coal in the USA will not be reversed to any great extent. There are no major new coal plants coming on line and the price of the most common replacement fuel, natural gas, will continue to decline with the advent of new production. Even if there is an increase in coal production, the number of jobs associated with the increased production will be small due to the automation of the industry.

And Cox pointed out what’s been obvious from the start of the Trump Horror: that our new president is deliberately appointing people who are hostile to the very agencies they’re managing.

We were surprised and dismayed when it was announced that the new EPA Chief of Staff, and several other staff, had worked for Senator Inhofe. As you know, Senator Inhofe is one of the harshest critics of EPA and the most vocal climate change denier in Congress. This sends an unmistakable and disturbing message to EPA staff that you have no intention of engaging with EPA staff and working together to accomplish what Congress and the American people have entrusted us to do.

Here’s the entire letter from Cox to Pruitt. Reading the whole thing is highly recommended; it really brings home how much trouble our nation is in with Trump and his gang of far right anti-science villains in charge.

(Via ThinkProgress.)

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299 comments

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:00:03am

We better hope Trump is a one term President at most. Because throwing roadblocks in the way of decarbonizing the economy for four years is already going to make it nearly impossible to keep global temperature increases below 2 degrees centigrade.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:02:28am
…stated on National television that carbon dioxide is not a primary contributor to climate change.

Uh, what? That’s just basic physics. That’s like denying that water is a primary contributor to wetness.

The best people in action, folks. Yeesh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:04:30am

repost from downstairs because it’s just too much stupid, even for Spicey:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:05:04am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:06:12am
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Sir John Barron  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:06:46am

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

Whatever. Some Arab name.

/

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:09:05am

re: #6 Sir John Barron

Whatever. Some Arab name.

/

Hussein

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nines09  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:09:12am

It’s that time of the year again. Turn sound down……

audubon osprey nest cam - hog island, maine

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:09:13am
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jaunte  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:09:15am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:10:22am

Using Zyklon-B in the gas chambers does not count as “chemical weapons”?

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CongoJack  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:10:41am

re: #2 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

Uh, what? That’s just basic physics. That’s like denying that water is a primary contributor to wetness.

The best people in action, folks. Yeesh.

Well don’tcha know - Jeebus and his pops made the earth this way and it is ours to do with as we please. And your funny notion of physics - did you know that physics only works because Jeebus says so and he can change it at will so just keep on polluting.

Remember the lost psalm:
Blessed are the polluters and wallowers of cash, may they be the first to buy their way
into heaven with all of their earthy money - as god intended.

/

If we could have only had another 8 years of any Democratic President. We likely could have made the biggest dent in climate change and even possibly have had sunny optimism about the earth we live on. Right now - not certain if this sphere is going to last another 10 years.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:11:46am
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Belafon  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:11:57am

re: #11 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Using Zyklon-B in the gas chambers does not count as “chemical weapons”?

Those weren’t troops. They don’t count. //

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:12:19am

re: #12 CongoJack

Well don’tcha know - Jeebus and is pops made the earth this way and it is ours to do with as we please. And your funny notion of physics - did you know that physics only works because Jeebus says so and he can change it at will so just keep on polluting.

Remember the lost psalm:
Blessed are the polluters and wallowers of cash, may they be the first to buy their way
into heaven with all of their earthy money - as god intended.

/

If we could have only had another 8 years of any Democratic President. We likely could have made the biggest dent in climate change and even possibly have had sunny optimism about the earth we live on. Right now - not certain if this sphere is going to last another 10 years.

The election of Trump convinced me that our top priority had to be establishing a Martian colony before we destroy the Earth.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:12:37am
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Skip Intro  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:14:32am

re: #11 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Using Zyklon-B in the gas chambers does not count as “chemical weapons”?

That was a purely internal matter that was no one elses business.

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CongoJack  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:14:42am

re: #15 Big Beautiful Door

Sign me up. I’d go right now if I was single and didn’t have a pregnant wife. I’m a wee bit done with my fellow humans (lizards, wife, most of my family/friends excluded).

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Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:14:46am
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makeitstop  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:15:12am

re: #11 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Using Zyklon-B in the gas chambers does not count as “chemical weapons”?

Zyklon-B is a vegetable, silly.
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:15:47am
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Belafon  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:16:47am

When the administration clarifies Spicer’s remarks do they:
1. Point out that the Germans did use gas on their own people.
or
2. Deny that Jews were killed in mass by the Germans

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jaunte  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:17:13am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:17:25am

Spicer, trying to clarify his Hitler answer—makes it worse: “He was not using the gas on his own people in the same way that Assad is doing”

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:17:38am

re: #22 Belafon

When the administration clarifies Spicer’s remarks do they:
1. Point out that the Germans did use gas on their own people.
or
2. Deny that Jews were killed in mass by the Germans

Depends on whether Kushner or Bannon gets final approval.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:19:44am

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:20:17am

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

Spicer, challenged by reporter, concedes Hitler killed w/chemicals but says “not in same way” as Assad and “I appreciate the clarification”

there are not enough desks or gasoline to process that one…

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:21:34am

re: #23 jaunte

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We didn’t help Jews fleeing Hitler either. Spicer could simply say that we are continuing our longstanding policy of not helping people fleeing murderous foreign tyrants since they aren’t white Christian Americans and we don’t care anyway. //

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:22:39am

And completely OT, spring has arrived:

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Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:22:47am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:23:37am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:24:42am
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lawhawk  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:25:37am

re: #17 Skip Intro

That was a purely internal matter that was no one elses business.

A purely internal matter after Germany invaded all its neighbors, from Poland to Russia to France to the now Czech republic, the Baltics, etc., and then began its Final Solution to kill the Jews that had then become under its control (the same Jews who had been defended by entire armies that failed to stop the Nazi onslaught). Most of the Jews killed in the Holocaust were living outside Germany at the outset of WWII.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:25:57am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:26:06am

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

MSNBC with the winning chyron.

The press will be derelict in its duty if it does not hang this albatross around Spicer’s neck until he resigns…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:27:00am

re: #35 Charles Johnson

That was quick. Right wing parrots are already out defending Spicer’s idiotic assertion that Hitler didn’t use chemical weapons.

any excuse to defend Hitler against those who would defame his sterling character…

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lawhawk  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:28:47am
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Stanley Sea  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:29:31am

Holocaust Centers

He really said that

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CongoJack  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:29:56am

re: #35 Charles Johnson

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Well - those RW nuts are just reposting (retweeting) the stuff they used on January 27th (Holocaust Remembrance Day).

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Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:33:31am
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jaunte  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:33:50am
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Sir John Barron  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:37:28am

re: #35 Charles Johnson

Chemical gas is not a chemical weapon! Busted libtards!

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jaunte  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:37:38am
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CongoJack  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:37:47am

Did LGF just go down for a few minutes?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:37:53am

re: #41 Charles Johnson

“He brought them into the HOLOCAUST CENTER.

Somebody needs to bring this boy to an Ass-whoopin’ Center

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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:38:09am

re: #41 Charles Johnson

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Holocaust center? Is that like when they rename the local mall to a “town center”?

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:39:07am

re: #12 CongoJack

Well don’tcha know - Jeebus and his pops made the earth this way and it is ours to do with as we please. And your funny notion of physics - did you know that physics only works because Jeebus says so and he can change it at will so just keep on polluting.

Remember the lost psalm:
Blessed are the polluters and wallowers of cash, may they be the first to buy their way
into heaven with all of their earthy money - as god intended.

/

If we could have only had another 8 years of any Democratic President. We likely could have made the biggest dent in climate change and even possibly have had sunny optimism about the earth we live on. Right now - not certain if this sphere is going to last another 10 years.

Not just climate change but the SCOTUS would have been changed as well as the law-makers. People would have seen real change that they want (but don’t know they want until they have it and someone tries to take it away, a la PPACA [Obamacare]). A Dem win in 2016 would have made a real difference in real American’s lives.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:39:25am

re: #39 Stanley Sea

Holocaust Centers

He really said that

FEMA Camp

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Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:39:45am

re: #45 CongoJack

Did LGF just go down for a few minutes?

We got really slow, so I checked the logs and there was a bot from a French IP address running through every link on the site as quickly as possible, maxing out our server resources. Blocked the IP and things returned to normal.

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bratwurst  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:40:21am
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Stanley Sea  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:40:33am
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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:41:13am

re: #48 MsJ

Not just climate change but the SCOTUS would have been changed as well as the law-makers. People would have seen real change that they want (but don’t know they want until they have it and someone tries to take it away, a la PPACA [Obamacare]). A Dem win in 2016 would have made a real difference in real American’s lives.

They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.

Joni Mitchell Big Yellow Taxi

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lawhawk  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:42:03am

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

There we go again. Trump’s people are circulating in the white supremacist/anti-Semitic underbelly of the GOP/right wing, and this is what they come up with.

Unfu…

Nope… Totally fucking believable. It’s all they’ve been doing since Trump began running for the White House.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:43:00am

re: #52 Stanley Sea

Though @aprildryan’s reaction to @seanspicer on this makes it all worth it.

That’s the “did I hear that right or am I just going crazy” look.

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lawhawk  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:44:19am

So, now that Bullshit Spice(r) showed that he’s absolutely fucknut insane and doesn’t know basic world history, what is that being used as a smokescreen for today?

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:44:53am

re: #47 Timothy Watson

Holocaust center? Is that like when they rename the local mall to a “town center”?

Is it anything like the abortionplex?

I always wondered what became of my high school classmates who slept thorough History class; now I know. They work for the Trump administration.

*smdh*

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jaunte  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:48:11am
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gocart mozart  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:48:26am
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Stanley Sea  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:48:55am

Just tweeted

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ObserverArt  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:50:03am

re: #56 lawhawk

So, now that Bullshit Spice(r) showed that he’s absolutely fucknut insane and doesn’t know basic world history, what is that being used as a smokescreen for today?

Is this whole administration the most ignorant in history?

Or are they willfully ignorant to attract/keep their backers?

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jaunte  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:50:28am

Still not helping.

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jaunte  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:51:01am

The contrast in how far the chemical weapon travels.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:51:09am

re: #58 jaunte

Wasn’t DT telling us not long ago that Assad was fighting ISIS, though?

/

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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:51:23am

re: #62 jaunte

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Still not helping.

Because using airplanes to drop chemical weapons is somehow worse than herding people into a gas chamber…

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Sir John Barron  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:51:36am

re: #60 Stanley Sea

Just tweeted

They discovered a bunch of Holocaust centers.

/

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:51:40am

re: #59 gocart mozart

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Skip Intro  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:52:00am

Anybody here ever hear of Agent Orange?

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Jay C  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:53:48am

re: #61 ObserverArt

Is this whole administration the most ignorant in history?

Or are they willfully ignorant to attract/keep their backers?

How about a simpler explanation?

Sean Spicer is a stupid buffoon, and the bar of competence for the Trump Administration is set so abysmally low that his inanities fit right in to what the press expects.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:53:59am

re: #62 jaunte

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Still not helping.

Jesus Spicer is an idiot.

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ObserverArt  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:55:02am

re: #68 Skip Intro

Anybody here ever hear of Agent Orange?

Weed killer! We all use weed killers! /

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Amory Blaine  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:55:18am

Aromatherapy at the Holocaust center. God damn these conservatives are stupid.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:55:22am
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Belafon  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:56:44am

re: #73 Charles Johnson

Well, yeah: He made Trump look bad.

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Amory Blaine  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:57:02am

Just did jury duty for 2 days. Off the hook for 4 years.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:57:35am

re: #73 Charles Johnson

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I mean Assad is awful but is Spicer seriously unaware of the Nazis targeting millions for extermination and the choice to heavily bomb civilian population centers as early as the Spanish Civil War.

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ObserverArt  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:57:39am

re: #69 Jay C

How about a simpler explanation?

Sean Spicer is a stupid buffoon, and the bar of competence for the Trump Administration is set so abysmally low that his inanities fit right in to what the press expects.

Ah…so in other words no one in the administration actually knows who is and who isn’t ignorant because no one is intelligent enough to be able to make that judgement.

Got it.

We’re screwed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:58:19am

Messages of hate spray-painted across at least one church and the JCC of #NoVA. @fairfaxpolice investigating. @nbcwashington

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lawhawk  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:58:50am
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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:59:01am

We bombed Hitler for less, and lefties were okay with that! Libtard hypocrites!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2017 • 11:59:17am

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sigh we’re better than this NOVA. I literally was born in Fairfax.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:01:43pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:03:53pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

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This administration continues to baffle. I mean damn Assad is a vile bastard but damn there’s a way to say that without diminishing the evils of Nazism.

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gocart mozart  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:04:13pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:04:43pm

Constituants yell “You LIe!” at joe wilson

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HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:06:00pm

re: #86 gocart mozart

Constituants yell “You LIe!” at joe wilson

[Embedded content]

Beautiful

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:08:42pm
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bratwurst  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:08:55pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:09:24pm
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lawhawk  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:10:58pm

Totally fucking believable.

And on Passover no less.

Fuck these bullshit artists, starting with Bullshit Spice(r).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:11:31pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:12:31pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:13:45pm
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Sir John Barron  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:13:47pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

It wasn’t. United needed extra space for their employees. So it’s not even like the passenger was bumped for another paying customer.

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Targetpractice  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:15:54pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yesterday: “The flight was overbooked, which is why he was thrown off the plane.”

Today: “The flight wasn’t overbooked, which is why we had to throw him off the plane.”

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Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:16:17pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:17:52pm

re: #68 Skip Intro

Anybody here ever hear of Agent Orange?

The band or the chemical?
The band, I love. The chemical I can do without.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:18:47pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:19:35pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

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That statement was bad enough, the two attempts to clarify were rock salt in the damned wounds. An apology was in order, not plowing forward in an effort to avoid admitting you fucked up.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:20:09pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What a train wreck of an administration.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:20:21pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Melissa McCarthy is going to be busy on Saturday.

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lawhawk  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:20:21pm

Spicer and United are taking turns in …

Hold my Beer.

United: Guy we booted from flight had it coming (we got some outlet to find some criminal history unrelated to getting forcibly removed from flight)

Spicer: Hold my beer. I got this - Hitler didn’t gas anyone.

United: That’s good. Wait, I got it. Hold my beer. After checking the computer, we weren’t overbooked on that flight (so why was anyone taken off the flight).

Spicer: Oooooh. That’s tough to beat.
Hold my beer.

Assad didn’t kill people the way Hitler did, in Holocaust Centers. And Assad’s a real bad man, who needs to be stopped, so we’re lobbing only a handful of missiles against a base that will be back in action within hours.

Delta Airlines: Nice one. If you wanted that airbase taken out of commission for more than a few hours, you should have called us instead.

United: No one asked you, but good one. We’ll keep that in our back pocket.

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jaunte  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:21:46pm

Bros are the real victims.

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jaunte  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:23:22pm
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bratwurst  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:23:32pm

re: #104 jaunte

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Bros are the real victims.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:23:51pm

re: #104 jaunte

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Bros are the real victims.

In Spicer’s business, he’s judged by what he says. And this isn’t the first time this administration has engaged in historical revisionism.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:24:30pm

re: #104 jaunte

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Bros are the real victims.

Bro lives matter.

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gocart mozart  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:24:53pm
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jaunte  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:25:04pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

He’s an asshole for talking about “importing” Syrian refugees, for one thing.

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Targetpractice  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:25:16pm

See, this is the inherent problem with a “worse than Hitler” accusation, you actually have to show that someone was worse than Hitler. When you can’t, you get this flopping mess of an attempt that just insults survivors and their descendants.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:25:35pm

re: #110 jaunte

He’s an asshole for talking about “importing” Syrian refugees, for one thing.

Yeah you import goods, people come.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:25:47pm

re: #104 jaunte

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jaunte  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:26:14pm

“Why make ourselves trouble by letting in families fleeing a man who’s worse than Hitler?”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:27:21pm

re: #114 jaunte

“Why make ourselves trouble by letting in families fleeing a man who’s worse than Hitler?”

Yes makes no sense.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:27:23pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

Yeah you import goods, people come.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:28:28pm

re: #109 gocart mozart

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Actually, the Nazis had their own euphemisms - “relocation center”, “transit camp”, “disinfection and delousing shower”, etc., etc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:29:07pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:29:11pm

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Fuck him. He really is the last person who should be AG. Even a crook like Christie would be somewhat better.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:29:25pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Yes makes no sense.

As I said earlier — makes perfect sense. We didn’t help people fleeing Hitler either.

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:29:37pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

Now Dictionary is joining in on the Merriam-Webster fun.

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Targetpractice  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:30:02pm

re: #110 jaunte

He’s an asshole for talking about “importing” Syrian refugees, for one thing.

That’s another slap across the face to Holocaust survivors, as Nazi propagandists like Goebbels got a lot of mileage out of incidents like the St. Louis, arguing that the rest of the world didn’t want the Jews any more than the Reich and so any country that denied their entry had no room to criticize the Reich for how they treated their Jewish population.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:30:43pm

re: #120 Hecuba’s daughter

As I said earlier — makes perfect sense. We didn’t help people fleeing Hitler either.

I mean, the whole calling Assad worse than Hitler while denying entry thing. Whole thing just sucks.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:32:01pm

re: #98 Jebediah, RBG

The band or the chemical?
The band, I love. The chemical I can do without.

Agent Orange - A Cry For Help In A World Gone Mad

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lawhawk  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:32:16pm
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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:33:49pm

re: #96 Targetpractice

Yesterday: “The flight was overbooked, which is why he was thrown off the plane.”

Today: “The flight wasn’t overbooked, which is why we had to throw him off the plane.”

Throwing a paid 69 year old ticket holder violently off of an airplane…

Price of paid ticket: $129
PR to address: Hundreds of thousands
Loss of passengers: Millions
Loss of stock value: Priceless (but with a lot of zeros)

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:35:04pm

Ahem. The other way Spicer is wrong is that the WW2 Germans developed a lot of chemical warfare agents: sarin, cyclosarin, soman, and tabun.

That they didn’t deploy these agents was strictly about logistical concerns.

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Targetpractice  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:35:28pm

But we know what the defense will be “He’s right, Hitler didn’t drop chemical weapons!” Followed closely by “You liberals are getting bent out of shape over nothing!”

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lawhawk  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:37:04pm

re: #128 Targetpractice

All while the Trump admin pushes more of this claptrap on yet another day that’s important to Jews (Passover). Previously, these fucknuts left out the bit about Jews being the victims of the Holocaust on Holocaust Remembrance Day.

The trend is clear. It’s not some accident.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:37:23pm

This one also seems apropos to United’s customer service ethos:

Agent Orange - BloodStains

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:37:47pm

After two days conflicting corporate statements, falling stocks and swelling outrage, United Airlines entered full-scale mea culpa mode Tuesday afternoon, as its chief executive announced an internal investigation into a Sunday-evening flight in which a man was dragged violently from his seat so a crew member could have it.

“I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight,” United chief executive Oscar Munoz wrote in a statement.

“I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.”

“We are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again,” Munoz wrote — promising a report on the beleaguered airline’s policies on calling police, transferring crew and “how we handle oversold situations.”

It was the latest in a flurry of attempts from the airline to defuse a public relations crisis.

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bratwurst  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:39:06pm
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Jay C  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:41:22pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

Any attack on innocent people is reprehensible and inexcusable

ORLY? Who knew???

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Targetpractice  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:41:25pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Horse, barn, the whole nine. If you’d led with this, instead of the doublespeak publicly followed by a private letter to employees defending their actions, you might have saved your asses. Now, you’re just making it clear that you’re only taking it seriously because your stock prices have plummeted and you’re losing millions in canceled tickets.

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SteveMcG RN  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:41:32pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

If I had money to spare I would bet that United’s stock will be back to its pre-fracas level within two weeks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:41:54pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:44:07pm

This one has the Trumpers quite upset.

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KerFuFFler  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:44:42pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight,” United chief executive Oscar Munoz wrote in a statement.

“I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.”

“We are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again,” Munoz wrote — promising a report on the beleaguered airline’s policies on calling police, transferring crew and “how we handle oversold situations.”

Talk about a day late and a dollar short…. (more like a billion $’s short considering their stocks’ plunge)

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:44:50pm

re: #135 SteveMcG RN

If I had money to spare I would bet that United’s stock will be back to its pre-fracas level within two weeks.

I was thinking the same thing. But I couldn’t bring myself to do it. Fucking morals.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:45:50pm

re: #123 HappyWarrior

I mean, the whole calling Assad worse than Hitler while denying entry thing. Whole thing just sucks.

This whole administration sucks (except for Mattis and McMaster) as does the entire Republican party in Congress and the Senate.

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:46:00pm

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

No. He didn’t really say that. Did he?

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:46:03pm

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s great and I believe him but yesterday Mattis also said we destroyed 20% of the Syrian operational air fleet in the strike on Al Shayrat, which was flagrant bullshit. Dude burned up a lot of his personal integrity with that pointless stupid little lie.

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:46:32pm

re: #137 goddamnedfrank

This one has the Trumpers quite upset.

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I didn’t think they cared how much Emperor Trump spent.

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Targetpractice  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:47:22pm

re: #135 SteveMcG RN

If I had money to spare I would bet that United’s stock will be back to its pre-fracas level within two weeks.

Probably, but they’re gonna lose a shitload of money in the process. They’re already moving into the settlement stage, probably already discussing internally just how much money they’re prepared to part with to make Bao feel it’s not worth pursuing litigation against them. But the ticket sales that they’ve lost over this are gonna hurt them for awhile, since I was hearing anecdotal evidence of people canceling tickets as far forward as August.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:48:01pm

re: #143 MsJ

I didn’t think they cared how much Emperor Trump spent.

Are they upset about the CNN reporting or the actual expenditures?

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steve_davis  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:48:20pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

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It won’t be long before he’s talking about Bassad Arthur Ashe, by the looks of it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:48:34pm

re: #145 Hecuba’s daughter

Are they upset about the CNN reporting or the actual expenditures?

The reporting, of course.

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Jack Burton  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:49:41pm

I bet Delta Airlines is ecstatic over this whole United thing. Maybe they won’t be the target of both ire and jokes for a while.

“Why are you doing this to me?”
“Because we’re Delta Airlines, and life is a fucking nightmare!”

-John Mulaney

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:49:47pm
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makeitstop  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:51:18pm

LULZ

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electrotek  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:51:20pm

I’m still surprised none of the Middle Eastern carriers have chimed in on the United debacle.

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KerFuFFler  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:52:02pm

re: #135 SteveMcG RN

If I had money to spare I would bet that United’s stock will be back to its pre-fracas level within two weeks.

It may take longer than that. People in China are horrified and angry at the passenger’s treatment and United has been investing and expanding their operations there over the last several years.

FWIW I noticed that around 5,000 people had commented on the United story at the NYT’s. I read elsewhere that over 150,000 angry Chinese had commented on it on some Chinese media outlet. That’s a lot of anger.

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gocart mozart  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:53:45pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:55:15pm

re: #151 electrotek

I’m still surprised none of the Middle Eastern carriers have chimed in on the United debacle.

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Interesting Times  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:56:16pm

re: #153 gocart mozart

I’m not familiar with the details of the JD Vance/Hillbilly Elegy controversy. Is it that he paints an inaccurate portrayal, whitewashes bigotry, or…?

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makeitstop  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:56:22pm

Check Ashley Parker’s reaction to Spicer’s comments.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:57:36pm

re: #153 gocart mozart

This is excellent. As I often say: American Dream wasn’t about money when I was a kid, it was about stability and family.

Money isn’t an inherent part of stability?

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:57:41pm

Trump has selected a real winner for Secretary of the Army. He hates everybody who is not a straight, white Christian.

slate.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 12:59:52pm

re: #155 Interesting Times

I’m not familiar with the details of the JD Vance/Hillbilly Elegy controversy. Is it that he paints an inaccurate portrayal, whitewashes bigotry, or…?

He was two generations removed from living in Appalachia but still had some relatives living there that he visited when he was a kid. That supposedly makes him some sort of expert on everything wrong with everyone who actually lives in Appalachia.

(Can you tell I thought his book was a load of crap?)

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:00:33pm
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Belafon  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:00:42pm

re: #157 Timothy Watson

Money isn’t an inherent part of stability?

There was a brief period in American history, from about the 50s to the 70s, where how low your taxes were wasn’t a measure of your standing in society, when college could be paid for with a part time job.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:01:34pm
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lawhawk  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:01:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:02:05pm

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

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gocart mozart  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:02:10pm

re: #155 Interesting Times

I’m not familiar with the details of the JD Vance/Hillbilly Elegy controversy. Is it that he paints an inaccurate portrayal, whitewashes bigotry, or…?

See

Liberals are rubes too. There’s a certain kind of grift they will fall for. It’s the kind that claims to help them understand part of the world they don’t understand, even if the material being pushed is hooey. And right now, there’s no shortage of desire from white liberal NPR listeners to know something about the white working class. And J.D. Vance is there, ready to profit off their curiosity, with his garbage book that does a good combination of providing justification for conservatives doing nothing for the poor with satisfying that liberal curiosity. Whatever Vance is doing here, it’s not for the people he writes about. But he’s certainly making himself seem as a Reasonable Knowledgeable Voice of Those People to liberals who don’t understand how poor white people could vote for Donald Trump even though they would benefit from the social programs of Democratic presidents. Personally, I would recommend listening to 40-year old Merle Haggard songs as a more insightful view into the white working class than Vance provides. Or, you know, spend time around white working class people. Or not. But don’t fall for the bullshit that Vance is peddling.

lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com

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Franklin  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:03:26pm

re: #156 makeitstop

Check Ashley Parker’s reaction to Spicer’s comments.

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That’s awesome :) Ashley Parker is on today’s Pod Save America.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:03:35pm

re: #47 Timothy Watson

Holocaust center? Is that like when they rename the local mall to a “town center”?

Yeah, they lost their Sears too.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:06:40pm

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

This entire rhetorical gambit about WW2 is dumb. Why is WW2 the metric?

There were and are evils in the world other than Nazis. This reduction of the world to “well, these were the ultimate comic bad guys. let’s use this mythologized bogeyman as our metric” doesn’t serve anything but allowing a bunch of other motherfuckers to escape scrutiny.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:06:56pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mattis, in defending decision to strike Syria now, says that “even in World War 2” chemical weapons weren’t used on the battlefield.

100% wrong:

According to historians Yoshiaki Yoshimi and Seiya Matsuno, the chemical weapons were authorized by specific orders given by Emperor Hirohito himself, transmitted by the chief of staff of the army. For example, the Emperor authorized the use of toxic gas on 375 separate occasions during the Battle of Wuhan from August to October 1938.[27] They were also profusely used during the invasion of Changde. Those orders were transmitted either by prince Kotohito Kan’in or general Hajime Sugiyama.[28] The Imperial Japanese Army had used mustard gas and the US-developed (CWS-1918) blister agent lewisite against Chinese troops and guerrillas. Experiments involving chemical weapons were conducted on live prisoners (Unit 731 and Unit 516).

en.wikipedia.org

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makeitstop  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:08:22pm
Mattis, in defending decision to strike Syria now, says that “even in World War 2” chemical weapons weren’t used on the battlefield.

But even that is debatable.

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electrotek  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:08:22pm

re: #169 Timothy Watson

100% wrong:

en.wikipedia.org

I bet Spicer is being paid by Japanese conservatives to deny their wartime record in China now.

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retired cynic  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:09:24pm

Speaking of Bannon: //

washingtonpost.com

Bannon is the tip of the iceberg that leads to a whole lot of dirty ice below the surface. And how he filled his pockets.

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ObserverArt  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:11:29pm

re: #111 Targetpractice

See, this is the inherent problem with a “worse than Hitler” accusation, you actually have to show that someone was worse than Hitler. When you can’t, you get this flopping mess of an attempt that just insults survivors and their descendants.

It actually insults everyone, everywhere. It is as about a thorough insult to humankind as you can get.

And Spicer is a reflection of Trump. It puts Donny is a real bad light.

And what will the Great Jared Kushner say about it all? Being Jewish you would think he would ask for Spicer to be fired.

(I am behind in the thread now…maybe Sean is already gone.)

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:14:08pm

re: #169 Timothy Watson

100% wrong:

en.wikipedia.org

Yeah; I learned about Japanese WW2 atrocities from my dad when I was a kid. Pretty horrifying stuff.

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lawhawk  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:14:49pm

re: #173 ObserverArt

(I am behind in the thread now…maybe Sean is already gone.)

That’s a good one. Funniest line in this entire thread.

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lawhawk  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:18:10pm

re: #174 Dr Lizardo

Unit 731 is on par with what the Nazis were doing (like say Dr. Mengele), just with a lot less visibility in the US for their crimes.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:20:19pm

re: #176 lawhawk

Unit 731 is on par with what the Nazis were doing (like say Dr. Mengele), just with a lot less visibility in the US for their crimes.

I might not know about Unit 731 if it hadn’t been for an episode of The X-Files.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:20:49pm

Is it a coincidence that on the same day Jeff Session gives a prepared speech that could’ve been written by Goebbels, Spicer blunders his way through Holocaust Denial?

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Belafon  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:21:27pm

re: #178 Big Beautiful Door

Is it a coincident that on the same day Jeff Session gives a prepared speech that could’ve been written by Goebbels, Spicer blunders his way through Holocaust Denial?

It wasn’t planned, but them both being sociopaths is not a coincidence.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:24:47pm

Several diplomats said that early Trump meetings with Merkel, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and British Prime Minister Theresa May also raised concerns over Trump’s unorthodox style of working largely without detailed notes and speaking off the cuff.

“He doesn’t have a paper in front of him. . . . It’s up to the visitor to declare the agenda,” one said. “He just sits there.

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gocart mozart  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:25:27pm
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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:26:57pm

re: #180 Stanley Sea

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If you let someone else set the agenda, you’ve lost the war.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:28:41pm

Good night Lizards. Time to hit the hay.

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bratwurst  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:29:30pm
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lawhawk  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:30:46pm

re: #180 Stanley Sea

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Nyet  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:31:58pm

re: #11 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Using Zyklon-B in the gas chambers does not count as “chemical weapons”?

Zyklon B is not a chemical weapon, though the point Spicer was trying to make doesn’t hinge upon it being such. Stupid hick.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:36:26pm

IOW: pay no attention to what Spicey and Mattis said today…

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makeitstop  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:43:43pm

Pelosi calls for Spicer’s immediate firing.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:43:45pm
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electrotek  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:44:17pm

re: #188 makeitstop

Pelosi calls for Spicer’s immediate firing.

That will just make Spicer more appealing to the anti-Pelosi fucktards now.

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:45:08pm

re: #188 makeitstop

Pelosi calls for Spicer’s immediate firing.

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The problem with firing Spicer is they will get a better liar (Kelllyanne comes to mind, she may slip up now and again but she is by far a better liar than Spicer).

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BlueSpotinAL  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:45:21pm

Clue by four for Spicer: if your sentence starts “Even Hitler didn’t…” STOP!

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Stanley Sea  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:45:40pm

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

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IOW: pay no attention to what Spicey and Mattis said today…

Kellyann sighting?

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electrotek  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:47:08pm

re: #192 BlueSpotinAL

Clue by four for Spicer: if your sentence starts “Even Hitler didn’t…” STOP!

I’m surprised they haven’t said “Even Hitler didn’t force women to cover up like Muslims do”

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ObserverArt  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:47:28pm

re: #188 makeitstop

Pelosi calls for Spicer’s immediate firing.

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The heat is on.

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Nyet  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:47:40pm

Why did he even bring up Hitler anyway?

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electrotek  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:48:26pm

re: #196 Nyet

Why did he even bring up Hitler anyway?

Because he’s a grade A idiot that makes Gomer Pyle look like Einstein.

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gocart mozart  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:48:35pm

re: #189 GlutenFreeJesus

See also Dr Seuss

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:49:20pm

re: #196 Nyet

Why did he even bring up Hitler anyway?

Afaik-Because His boss is a half baked Nazi and they are all very sensitive about that kind of accusation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:49:28pm

re: #196 Nyet

Why did he even bring up Hitler anyway?

for some reason he thought it was a good idea to say that Assad was worse than Hitler to justify the missile strike

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makeitstop  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:49:58pm

re: #196 Nyet

Why did he even bring up Hitler anyway?

It looks like a botched attempt to echo Mattis’ statement on how chemical weapons weren’t used ‘on the battlefield’ in WWII (a debatable point in itself).

Spicer cocked it up as usual. It’s what he does.

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Nyet  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:50:01pm

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

for some reason he thought it was a good idea to say that Assad was worse than Hitler to justify the missile strike

Dumb and Dumber Live.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:51:25pm

re: #188 makeitstop

He should be canned. No, I don’t think he meant to downplay Hitler or anything like that, but sometimes you say something too stupid to recover from. This is one of those occasions.

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Mattand  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:53:12pm

Jesus Christ, just getting up to speed on Spicey’s new role as Hitler PR flak.

Then I saw the bit about how the Chicago PD referred to the doctor they dragged off of the UA flight has having “fell”.

The same big city PD that was running essentially a black ops torture site.

I’ve had my fill of 2017 already. Can I get a preview of 2018?

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Nyet  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:53:26pm

In the WH’s pushback against Putin’s lies I’m on the WH’s side, however.

whitehouse.gov

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ObserverArt  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:54:10pm

re: #191 MsJ

The problem with firing Spicer is they will get a better liar (Kelllyanne comes to mind, she may slip up now and again but she is by far a better liar than Spicer).

That may be.

But in politics it is the overall picture of Trump being completely out of his (big) league that is going to cause the real damage.

There were a lot of people that were on the fence this past election. Many of them took a flyer on Trump as the “anti-establishment” candidate that was going to fix Washington.

He’s fixing it all right…and none of it in a good way.

Those that voted for him to be the big change agent might start to get a clue why politicians are actually professional and being established means they can do the freakin’ job unlike Trump. Maybe this helps kill that whole “business man outsider is good” thing.

And hopefully, the whole GOP gets slimed by this. Spencer was a big party guy in the RNC. The GOP has continued to try to excuse Trump at all turns. This is going to start to put pressure on all of them.

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makeitstop  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:54:36pm

re: #203 Mike Lamb

He should be canned. No, I don’t think he meant to downplay Hitler or anything like that, but sometimes you say something too stupid to recover from. This is one of those occasions.

Even if he didn’t mean to downplay it, he gave cover to a bunch of Twitter Nazis to do just that.

I think that message was supposed to have been delivered via sub-text (like Mattis’ comment), but Spicer delivered it in his usual ham-handed manner.

But…if he does go, they may actually get a competent liar to replace him (as someone mentioned upthread).

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gocart mozart  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:56:07pm

Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson make fun of Sean Spicer for being a dumbass wackjob as irony laughs its ass off.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:56:32pm

re: #186 Nyet

Zyklon B is not a chemical weapon, though the point Spicer was trying to make doesn’t hinge upon it being such. Stupid hick.

Depends on who you ask and when. Under the old chemical biological weapons code the US military designated hydrogen cyanide as “AC.”

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ObserverArt  Apr 11, 2017 • 1:58:39pm

re: #196 Nyet

Why did he even bring up Hitler anyway?

Because he is a dumbass and thought that would be an easy comparison to paint Assad as a bad man.

I think it fits under the Godwin’s Law. /

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nines09  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:00:24pm

re: #204 Mattand

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:00:34pm

re: #196 Nyet

Why did he even bring up Hitler anyway?

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

for some reason he thought it was a good idea to say that Assad was worse than Hitler to justify the missile strike

Which … I mean … Good God how fucking inept was that, because we moved heaven and earth to defeat Hitler but Trump seems content to let Assad remain in power. Everyone knows the strike was a militarily ineffectual PR stunt, so if Spicer is out there saying Assad is worse than Hitler how the fuck is that supposed to make Trump’s response so far look comparatively acceptable?

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Nyet  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:01:07pm

re: #209 goddamnedfrank

Depends on who you ask and when. Under the old chemical biological weapons code the US military designated hydrogen cyanide as “AC.”

Zyklon B is not synonymous with hydrogen cyanide however. It is a civilian pesticide, not a weapon.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:02:17pm

Dude’s still in the hospital

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IngisKahn  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:03:03pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:07:16pm

re: #213 Nyet

Zyklon B is not synonymous with hydrogen cyanide however. It is a civilian pesticide, not a weapon.

It WAS a civilian pesticide that got repurposed as a chemical weapon used against civilians. Hydrogen Cyanide was the active ingredient and Spicer was supposed to be talking from the standpoint of the American Government he represents. Consider Phosgene for comparison, it has scores of legitimate modern industrial uses yet it’s also still a chemical weapon.

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Nyet  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:13:21pm

re: #216 goddamnedfrank

I concede the point.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:13:28pm

Except, you know, the original ‘America First’ movement also didn’t want to go to do anything about Hitler, AND wanted to keep those filthy refugees out, so saying somebody’s the NEXT ‘Next Hitler’ doesn’t necessarily mean doing something about it.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:14:49pm

re: #219 Blind Frog Belly White

Except, you know, the original ‘America First’ movement also didn’t want to go to do anything about Hitler, AND wanted to keep those filthy refugees out, so saying somebody’s the NEXT ‘Next Hitler’ doesn’t necessarily mean doing something about it.

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The original America Firsters have a lot in common with Trump’s base.

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:15:42pm

re: #206 ObserverArt

The more harm Spicer does to Trump and the GOP the better.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:17:03pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

The original America Firsters have a lot in common with Trump’s base.

Although, apparently, a majority of Trump’s supporters think the Syria attack is completely consistent with what Trump said during the campaign.

O_o

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HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:18:06pm

re: #222 Blind Frog Belly White

Although, apparently, a majority of Trump’s supporters think the Syria attack is completely consistent with what Trump said during the campaign.

O_o

Yeah my one brother’s gf’s dad is thrilled.

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steve_davis  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:19:57pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

Jesus Spicer is an idiot.

Jesus Spicer….Spicer of Galilee sounds better. More like it has an air-freshening quality for stale car cabins.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:21:44pm
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Stanley Sea  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:24:33pm

re: #222 Blind Frog Belly White

Although, apparently, a majority of Trump’s supporters think the Syria attack is completely consistent with what Trump said during the campaign.

O_o

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ObserverArt  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:25:35pm

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They just can’t help themselves can they?

I guess they want a new way for people to cancel events and ignore the state.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:25:47pm

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Glad they are focused on important issues.

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Belafon  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:26:44pm

re: #226 Stanley Sea

That’s a great tweet. Exactly one side is playing party politics.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:26:50pm

re: #226 Stanley Sea

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GOP voters are partisan hacks. And here’s Jim with the weather.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:27:18pm

re: #229 Belafon

That’s a great tweet. Exactly one side is playing party politics.

Yet assholes want to both sides everything.

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Belafon  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:28:44pm

re: #231 HappyWarrior

Yet assholes want to both sides everything.

It also puts the truly non-crazy Republicans at about 20%.

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Nyet  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:29:22pm

If Palin is Bible Spice, Spicer is Baghdad Spice.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:31:28pm
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Joe Bacon  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:34:04pm

The way things are going with Spicey, I wouldn’t be surprised tomorrow if he showed up in blackface and sang “Mammy”…

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:36:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:37:24pm

re: #236 goddamnedfrank

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EPR-radar  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:42:05pm

re: #212 goddamnedfrank

Which … I mean … Good God how fucking inept was that, because we moved heaven and earth to defeat Hitler but Trump seems content to let Assad remain in power. Everyone knows the strike was a militarily ineffectual PR stunt, so if Spicer is out there saying Assad is worse than Hitler how the fuck is that supposed to make Trump’s response so far look comparatively acceptable?

Another part of the fractal wrongness of Spicer’s statement is that the US didn’t get into WWII because Hitler was a bad guy. Instead, there was this issue at Pearl Harbor that Spicer/Trump have probably never heard of.

Germany very stupidly declared war on the US shortly after the Pearl Harbor attack. If Hitler hadn’t done that, the “America First” types of the time may well have succeeded in getting the US to only engage vs. the Japanese in the Pacific.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:42:10pm

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

He also said that Russia is an ally.

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Mattand  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:42:29pm

re: #211 nines09

I needed that laugh. Thanks.

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DodgerFan1988  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:43:18pm

Bill O’Reilly laughs at the passenger getting assaulted in the United Airlines video.

businessinsider.com

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Mattand  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:45:01pm

re: #224 steve_davis

Jesus Spicer….Spicer of Galilee sounds better. More like it has an air-freshening quality for stale car cabins.

And on the third day, his foot that he shot off while sticking it in his mouth was risen.

Which he then promptly shoved in his mouth and shot off again.

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:45:38pm
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electrotek  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:45:51pm

re: #241 DodgerFan1988

Bill O’Reilly laughs at the passenger getting assaulted in the United Airlines video.

businessinsider.com

What a piece of shit.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:47:40pm

re: #241 DodgerFan1988

Bill O’Reilly laughs at the passenger getting assaulted in the United Airlines video.

businessinsider.com

Of course he did. He’s a psychotic douche.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:48:09pm

re: #241 DodgerFan1988

Of course, he does.

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Nyet  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:48:31pm

re: #241 DodgerFan1988

Bill O’Reilly laughs at the passenger getting assaulted in the United Airlines video.

businessinsider.com

That will help with the advertisers.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:48:49pm

re: #238 EPR-radar

Another part of the fractal wrongness of Spicer’s statement is that the US didn’t get into WWII because Hitler was a bad guy. Instead, there was this issue at Pearl Harbor that Spicer/Trump have probably never heard of.

Germany very stupidly declared war on the US shortly after the Pearl Harbor attack. If Hitler hadn’t done that, the “America First” types of the time may well have succeeded in getting the US to only engage vs. the Japanese in the Pacific.

Correct.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:49:07pm
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Patricia Kayden  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:49:20pm

re: #235 Joe Bacon

The way things are going with Spicey, I wouldn’t be surprised tomorrow if he showed up in blackface and sang “Mammy”…

And then double down by saying that Black people use the “n” word so it’s all cool.

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makeitstop  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:49:57pm
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Nyet  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:51:00pm

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:52:46pm

re: #252 Nyet

[Embedded content]

Hitler: At least I’m not Assad.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 11, 2017 • 2:57:29pm

re: #238 EPR-radar

Another part of the fractal wrongness of Spicer’s statement is that the US didn’t get into WWII because Hitler was a bad guy. Instead, there was this issue at Pearl Harbor that Spicer/Trump have probably never heard of.

Germany very stupidly declared war on the US shortly after the Pearl Harbor attack. If Hitler hadn’t done that, the “America First” types of the time may well have succeeded in getting the US to only engage vs. the Japanese in the Pacific.

I honestly doubt that outcome could’ve ever occurred simply because the US Navy was already in a low grade shooting war with German U-Boats. There had been something like half a dozen attacks on both sides prior to Pearl Harbor, including the sinking of the USS Reuben James. On top of that the same forces that dragged us into WWI were at play, close ties with the UK and growing rage over the loss of US merchant seamen to submarine warfare.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 3:03:46pm

Christie: “hey LOOK AT ME!!!”

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 3:10:10pm

re: #255 Backwoods_Sleuth

Christie: “hey LOOK AT ME!!!”

[Embedded content]

Knowing full well that there is no way republicans will ever go for this. What an asshole.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 11, 2017 • 3:16:28pm

If President Kushner has any sense or influence, Spicer will be gone by the end of the week.

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weave  Apr 11, 2017 • 3:17:33pm

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

WT living fuck?

But hey, they at least repealed that bathroom law — so all’s OK for businesses to forget that silly boycott and now it’s business as usual there, right?

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Varek Raith  Apr 11, 2017 • 3:22:04pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

Hitler: At least I’m not Assad.

Assad: FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2017 • 3:33:00pm

re: #255 Backwoods_Sleuth

Christie: “hey LOOK AT ME!!!”

[Embedded content]

So even Christie is screwing over Sean ‘it’s not a federal case’ Spicer?

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 3:35:58pm

Oh man. This is the 2nd time in two days he’s said this.

Wow: While apologizing for Hitler gaffe, Spicer literally says he doesn’t want to distract from Trump’s attempts “to destabilize the region”

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Mattand  Apr 11, 2017 • 3:36:05pm

re: #255 Backwoods_Sleuth

Christie: “hey LOOK AT ME!!!”

[Embedded content]

As much as I despise that this guy represents my state, I sorta kinda am okay with this. Mainly because Newark International is one of the busiest airports in the country. Also, overbooking should just not be allowed, period.

That said: it’s Christie. After being humiliated by Trump; crawling back to Trump; and then being humiliated by Trump again; dude’s desperate to remain relevant.

That’s sorta how I feel about his push in NJ to battle drug addiction. I’m all for anything that helps people fighting, particularly from a Republican. I just can’t help but feel if wasn’t for that white, well-to-do family friend of his dying, Christie wouldn’t give two shits about people fighting drug addiction.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 3:39:56pm
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Archangelus  Apr 11, 2017 • 3:40:45pm
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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 3:44:33pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 11, 2017 • 3:45:42pm

re: #261 MsJ

Oh man. This is the 2nd time in two days he’s said this.

[Embedded content]

“To destabilize the region”

Yeah, like it hasn’t been destabilized enough.

Pretty clear to the Trump voters that he was lying to you about everything to get your vote. Way to buy into the con man…fools.

Trump: ‘we’ve destabilized the Middle East and …

Direct quote (at around 1:46) “…we’ve destabilized the Middle East and it’s a mess.”

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 3:51:35pm

Has anyone heard any exit polling from KS or GA?

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Skip Intro  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:00:31pm

re: #191 MsJ

The problem with firing Spicer is they will get a better liar (Kelllyanne comes to mind, she may slip up now and again but she is by far a better liar than Spicer).

Kellyanne has been sent to the corn field along with Katrina Pierson.

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Interesting Times  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:01:15pm

re: #267 MsJ

Has anyone heard any exit polling from KS or GA?

dKos has this re Kansas: Early vote totals in KS-4 are somewhat encouraging

As for the GA special election, it won’t take place until next Monday (the 18th)

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:02:17pm

re: #269 Interesting Times

dKos has this re Kansas: Early vote totals in KS-4 are somewhat encouraging

As for the GA special election, it won’t take place until next Monday (the 18th)

Thanks!

Monday? Who votes on a Monday? Georgia. Sheesh.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:02:57pm

re: #241 DodgerFan1988

He probably laughed as he dragged his wife down the stairs by her throat while their daughter watched.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:03:00pm

re: #269 Interesting Times

dKos has this re Kansas: Early vote totals in KS-4 are somewhat encouraging

As for the GA special election, it won’t take place until next Monday (the 18th)

I’m telling you. I think we could be looking at a 2010 type wave in 2018 if all goes right.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:04:23pm

re: #271 Ace Rothstein

He probably laughed as he dragged his wife down the stairs by her throat while their daughter watched.

He’s the same asshole who accused Ludacris of being sexist and promoting violence against women. BillO may not be the most right wing at FNC but he may be one of the worst people at FNC. I mean Lumpy is awful but as far as I know, Lumpy’s not a spouse abuser or serial sexual harasser. A total doucheabg and Trump lackey but.

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:04:53pm

re: #269 Interesting Times

dKos has this re Kansas: Early vote totals in KS-4 are somewhat encouraging

From Kos:

And in case you were wondering whether this is a swingy district, keep in mind that Koch industries is headquartered here. And:

Tom Bonier ✔ @tbonier
To get a sense of how heavily GOP it is - If Democrats won every district more Democratic than KSCD4, they would hold 359 of 435 seats.

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:06:09pm

Thread:

But this is one to watch…Thompson is the Dem.

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Skip Intro  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:11:11pm

re: #221 MsJ

The more harm Spicer does to Trump and the GOP the better.

Trump has binders full of idiots to choose from. He hasn’t even scratched the surface of the incompetence and ineptitude he brings to the office.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:11:50pm

re: #276 Skip Intro

Trump has binders full of idiots to choose from. He hasn’t even scratched the surface of the incompetence and ineptitude he brings to the office.

That’s true. Huckabee hasn’t gotten a job yet.

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Skip Intro  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:13:28pm

re: #277 HappyWarrior

That’s true. Huckabee hasn’t gotten a job yet.

Just think of all the horrible Trump hasn’t chosen yet. For all practical purposes, it’s infinite.

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Skip Intro  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:14:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:19:57pm

re: #278 Skip Intro

Just think of all the horrible Trump hasn’t chosen yet. For all practical purposes, it’s infinite.

I know. Sigh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:21:31pm

It’s hard to find examples of worse decision-making and customer treatment than United Airlines having a passenger dragged from an overbooked plane. But United’s shabby treatment of Geoff Fearns, including a threat to place him in handcuffs, comes close.

Fearns, 59, is president of TriPacific Capital Advisors, an Irvine investment firm that handles more than half a billion dollars in real estate holdings on behalf of public pension funds. He had to fly to Hawaii last week for a business conference.

Fearns needed to return early so he paid about $1,000 for a full-fare, first-class ticket to Los Angeles. He boarded the aircraft at Lihue Airport on the island of Kauai, took his seat and enjoyed a complimentary glass of orange juice while awaiting takeoff.

Then, as Fearns tells it, a United employee rushed onto the aircraft and informed him that he had to get off the plane.

“I asked why,” he told me. “They said the flight was overfull.”

Fearns, like the doctor at the center of that viral video from Sunday night, held his ground. He was already on plane, already seated. He shouldn’t have to disembark.

“That’s when they told me they needed the seat for somebody more important who came at the last minute,” Fearns said. “They said they have a priority list and this other person was higher on the list than me.”

snip

It shouldn’t make any difference where a passenger is seated or how much he or she paid for their ticket. But you have to admire the sheer chutzpah of United putting the arm on a full-fare, first-class traveler. If there’s anybody whose business you want to safeguard and cultivate, it’s that person.

So how could United possibly make things worse? Not to worry. This is the airline that knows how to add insult to injury.

A United employee, responding to Fearns’ complaint that he shouldn’t have to miss the flight, compromised by downgrading him to economy class and placing him in the middle seat between a married couple who were in the midst of a nasty fight and refused to be seated next to each other.

“They argued the whole way back,” Fearns recalled. “Nearly six hours. It was a lot of fun.”

snip

Fearns requested a full refund for his flight from Kauai and asked for United to make a $25,000 donation to the charity of his choice. This is how rich guys do it.

He received an email back from a United “corporate customer care specialist” apologizing that Fearns apparently had an unpleasant experience. But, no, forget about a refund.

As for that charitable donation, what are you kidding? A hard no on that.

Instead, the service rep offered to refund Fearns the difference between his first-class ticket and an economy ticket — about a week later, as if that wasn’t the first thing they should do in a situation like this — and to give him a $500 credit for a future trip on the airline.

snip

I asked if he’ll ever fly United again.

Fearns could only laugh. “Are you kidding?”

United: Equal Opportunity Shitlords

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Skip Intro  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:23:44pm

So I’m reading that Trump is bring Sarah Palin to the WH to pardon the Easter turkey. Anyone else read this?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:25:01pm

re: #282 Skip Intro

So I’m reading that Trump is bring Sarah Palin to the WH to pardon the Easter turkey. Anyone else read this?

A lot of people eat ham at Easter. Probably too late to do much for the Easter Pig….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:25:15pm

re: #282 Skip Intro

So I’m reading that Trump is bring Sarah Palin to the WH to pardon the Easter turkey. Anyone else read this?

has to be a joke based on her 2010 2008 turkey pardon debacle in Alaska.

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:28:08pm

If anyone is wondering, April the Giraffe is still pregnant.

And I am spending waaaayyyy too much time staring at a giraffe’s hooha.

BBL

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:28:46pm
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TedStriker  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:30:10pm

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

snip

snip

snip

United: Equal Opportunity Shitlords

The guy’s lucky that he’s a old white dude with money, otherwise, it could have been Dao the Sequel.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:33:04pm

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Drip…drip…

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Mattand  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:33:18pm

re: #285 MsJ

If anyone is wondering, April the Giraffe is still pregnant.

And I am spending waaaayyyy too much time staring at a giraffe’s hooha.

BBL

That old excuse?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:33:52pm

re: #285 MsJ

If anyone is wondering, April the Giraffe is still pregnant.

And I am spending waaaayyyy too much time staring at a giraffe’s hooha.

BBL

How much time is appropriate, assuming you’re not a giraffe?

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jaunte  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:35:56pm

Trump’s America, continued.

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:37:43pm

re: #289 Mattand

That old excuse?

Everyone needs a hobby. 😂

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Mattand  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:40:08pm

re: #291 jaunte

If I ever wanted an Onion article to have been mistaken for an actual news item, this is the time.

What.

The.

Ever loving.

Fuck.

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:40:17pm

re: #290 Blind Frog Belly White

How much time is appropriate, assuming you’re not a giraffe?

Lemme tell ya… The Friday before last I spent a solid four hours watching a giraffe pace, eat, lie down, get up, eat, pace, eat, pee, pace, poop, eat, pace. Hour after hour after hour.

I need an April intervention.

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jaunte  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:41:42pm

re: #293 Mattand

Our very own southern-fried Mutaween.
en.wikipedia.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:42:28pm

re: #294 MsJ

Lemme tell ya… The Friday before last I spent a solid four hours watching a giraffe pace, eat, lie down, get up, eat, pace, eat, pee, pace, poop, eat, pace. Hour after hour after hour.

I need an April intervention.

Here, have a baby giraffe in Houston:

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:44:12pm

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump will use this to “prove” he was right all along. Just you watch.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:44:42pm

re: #291 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Trump’s America, continued.

What in the fuck.

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MsJ  Apr 11, 2017 • 4:44:44pm

re: #296 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here, have a baby giraffe in Houston:

[Embedded content]

Thank you!!! ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️


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