WATCH LIVE: Trump’s Press Conference With NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg

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After Trump’s numerous ignorant and frightening statements about NATO, this should be an interesting press conference.

On the other hand, Secretary Stoltenberg may be too professional to bring up Trump’s idiotic blathering.

Will the media go after this low-hanging fruit? I wish the answer to that could be, “Of course they will! That’s what journalists do!” But we shall see.

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Skip Intro  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:02:46pm

Charles Pierce goes down to Alabama to find out what makes evangelicals so forgiving of religious fakers like Trump and former governor Bentley.

“The idea that moral hypocrisy hurts you among evangelical voters is not true, if you’re sound on all of the fundamentals,” said Wayne Flynt, an ordained Baptist minister and one of Alabama’s pre-eminent Geethe fundamentals have become. At this time, what is fundamental is hating liberals, hating Obama, hating abortion and hating same-sex marriage.”

So as we all assumed, being a good evangelical christian is all about hating the right people and things.

esquire.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:02:56pm
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KGxvi  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:04:07pm

re: #1 Skip Intro

Charles Pierce goes down to Alabama to find out what makes evangelicals so forgiving of religious fakers like Trump and former governor Bentley.

So as we all assumed, being a good evangelical christian is all about hating the right people and things.

esquire.com

This is really the key to any sort of fundamentalism.

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Skip Intro  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:04:37pm

First question from the DC press corps. “Mr. President, could you tell us more about that chocolate cake? Do you have the recipe?

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Kragar  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:04:41pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:07:28pm

re: #1 Skip Intro

Charles Pierce goes down to Alabama to find out what makes evangelicals so forgiving of religious fakers like Trump and former governor Bentley.

So as we all assumed, being a good evangelical christian is all about hating the right people and things.

esquire.com

No shit, that’s all that ever mattered. Just replace Obama’s name with Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter, keep hating abortion and liberals, and replace same sex marriage with gay rights and you have what has driven the Evangelical machine for 40 years now.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:08:01pm

re: #5 Kragar

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“Much Presidential.”

“Wait, did his pants just fall down?”

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Sir John Barron  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:08:46pm

re: #1 Skip Intro

Wayne Flynt, an ordained Baptist minister and one of Alabama’s pre-eminent Geethe fundamentals have become

typo? autocorrect-amania?

the Rev. Joe Godfrey, the executive director of the Alabama Citizens Action Program, a church-supported group that holds substantial influence in the Legislature.

but not Sharia Law, right?
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:08:51pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:08:55pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:09:13pm

I mean I’m sorry but how else can you explain why Evangelicals abandoned one of their own (Carter) in favor of Reagan? Reagan knew how to play to their resentments just as Trump does now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:09:43pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:10:24pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

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*I talked a bunch of bullshit that showed I had no idea what I was fucking talking about and because I’m a pathetic asshole, I won’t admit that I was wrong.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:10:43pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:11:11pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Charles Johnson  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:11:46pm
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nines09  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:12:14pm

Fuck this guy and the bag of shit he rode in on.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:12:24pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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They were fighting terrorism when him and Melania were fucking around behind Marla’s back.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:12:38pm

This fucking asshole.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:12:48pm
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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:12:59pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

Because you’re not grokking that evangelical is not the same as Evangelical.

The former is about spreading the Good News. The latter is a political organization that started out trying to end-run around desegregation and starting importing more and more elaborate conspiracy theories to create a worldview in which they are the only righteous people (even when they aren’t righteous).

Carter was never their kind.

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nines09  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:13:32pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Stone.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:13:50pm

re: #21 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Because you’re not grokking that evangelical is not the same as Evangelical.

The former is about spreading the Good News. The latter is a political organization that started out trying to end-run around desegregation and starting importing more and more elaborate conspiracy theories to create a worldview in which they are the only righteous people (even when they aren’t righteous).

Carter was never their kind.

Very true.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:14:11pm

Wayne Flynt, an ordained Baptist minister and one of Alabama’s pre-eminent Geethe fundamentals have become

That ‘graph confused me. Here’s the original from the NYT:

“The idea that moral hypocrisy hurts you among evangelical voters is not true, if you’re sound on all of the fundamentals,” said Wayne Flynt, an ordained Baptist minister and one of Alabama’s pre-eminent historians. “Being sound on the fundamentals depends on what the evangelical community has decided the fundamentals have become. At this time, what is fundamental is hating liberals, hating Obama, hating abortion and hating same-sex marriage.”

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:14:19pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I’ve made NATO great again in the first hundred days! That’s not easy!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:14:30pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:15:18pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I guess Jared is busy reorganizing government and bringing peace to the Middle East.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:16:12pm

re: #21 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Because you’re not grokking that evangelical is not the same as Evangelical.

The former is about spreading the Good News. The latter is a political organization that started out trying to end-run around desegregation and starting importing more and more elaborate conspiracy theories to create a worldview in which they are the only righteous people (even when they aren’t righteous).

Carter was never their kind.

I had a administration of justice professor, who had been a Deputy Superintendent with the Virginia State Police, who contrasted “politics” (understanding the public policy process) and “Politics”.

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BeachDem  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:16:24pm

Here’s another head-banging bit from the Munnee Hunnee interview:

We were going to have a 10 or a 15 minute sit-down. It lasted for three hours. Then the next day, it was another schedule, because everything is very orderly with the Chinese, frankly.

And we had meetings scheduled. Well, the 15 minutes on the first day lasted for three hours. The 15 minutes on the second day lasted for two hours, just one-on-one, the two of us with interpreters.

Who the fuck plans a big international event with two 15-minute meetings as the goal for two days of talks? I guess that’s the extent of the yam’s attention span.

Oh, and what’s with his “we had great chemistry” bullshit—he had “great chemistry” with Obama, then he had “great chemistry” with Abe, and with Mitt Romney (another time it was scheduled for a 10 minute sitdown, but expanded) and now with Xi.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:17:19pm
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Sir John Barron  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:17:42pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’d make sure Obadiah Stane isn’t planning some sort of hit on him.

en.wikipedia.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:17:49pm
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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:19:16pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

Which is what Reagan and Trump bring to the table as demagogues, by the way.

Reagan did folksy resentment and talking down to anyone that disagreed in that “I don’t need to argue, you’re so dumb and wrong” condescending way and it stuck.

Trump is doing a more aggro version of resentment and condescension.

All parts of the Republican party, even the ones that seem not to mesh, use the same rhetorical structures and tropes, with the ur-premise being that they are a priori both moral and correct, and thus can’t be wrong. As time advances, their distinct religious, economics, and cultural narratives are merging, because the shape matters more than the details.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:20:00pm

*blink*

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Sir John Barron  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:20:01pm

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

Damn, rebuilt the US military industrial complex and NATO in two months.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:20:17pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

I mean I’m sorry but how else can you explain why Evangelicals abandoned one of their own (Carter) in favor of Reagan? Reagan knew how to play to their resentments just as Trump does now.

Happy, the evangelicals turned on Carter when he had the IRS go after Bob Jones University and segregated academies for IRS violations. Those actions triggered the Hunt Brothers to pump the seed money into Falwell’s Moron Majority.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:20:33pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He lies about everything else. Why not this too. He knows his delusional base will believe everything he says because they need someone new to worship since Bush is no a “real conservative” and Reagan’s dead.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:20:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:21:33pm

re: #33 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Which is what Reagan and Trump bring to the table as demagogues, by the way.

Reagan did folksy resentment and talking down to anyone that disagreed in that “I don’t need to argue, you’re so dumb and wrong” condescending way and it stuck.

Trump is doing a more aggro version of resentment and condescension.

All parts of the Republican party, even the ones that seem not to mesh, use the same rhetorical structures and tropes, with the ur-premise being that they are a priori both moral and correct, and thus can’t be wrong. As time advances, their distinct religious, economics, and cultural narratives are merging, because the shape matters more than the details.

Yeah I know a lot of the Never Trump conservatives don’t want to admit it but Reagan and Trump have a lot in common. You’re absolutely right. A lot of what Reagan did was condescending bullshit disguised as being a witty old man.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:21:58pm

re: #36 Joe Bacon

Happy, the evangelicals turned on Carter when he had the IRS go after Bob Jones University and segregated academies for IRS violations. Those actions triggered the Hunt Brothers to pump the seed money into Falwell’s Moron Majority.

Thanks! Did not know that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:22:01pm
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Kragar  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:22:07pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:22:56pm
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(alpuz)  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:23:12pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

This fucking asshole.

Which one?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:23:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:24:03pm

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s not the question, you dolt.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:24:39pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s always this answer. The world is a hell hole but if we do what I want to do, it will be paradise. This is what cult leaders do to convince their followers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:24:53pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:25:35pm
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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:26:46pm

re: #24 Sir John Barron

That ‘graph confused me. Here’s the original from the NYT:

What is most important is determined in the moment, and then the text, the culture, and the ritual can be given new meaning to match that end.

This is what postmodernism was observing—and warning—about the nature of culture. Abstractions are hollow, and can be filled, unfilled, and refilled with something different. Believers can, will, and do deform what they believe over time, and a community of belief can transform “sacred,” “unchangeable” beliefs and not acknowledge the change.

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Kragar  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:27:27pm
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nines09  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:28:27pm

Who will be the first of the media to publicly fellate Trump after this 3rd grade coloring lesson attempt?

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Sir John Barron  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:29:35pm

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

The key thing being “strong” which DT claims to be and is the only virtue he apparently desires.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:29:54pm

“Absolutely no doubt we did the right thing, and it was very, very successfully done, as you well know,” Trump says of Syria airstrikes

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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:32:14pm

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s why the airbase was back running the next day Dumbold.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:33:02pm
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nines09  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:33:05pm

Don’t forget in all of this, Russia got the President they wanted. They won. Now we get to see how deep the layer of filth truly is.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:33:31pm

good grief

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:34:04pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

This fucking asshole.

He does it because he knows the media and his supporters will let him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:34:43pm
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Kragar  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:34:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:35:08pm
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MsJ  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:35:25pm

This fucker. The dollar is down against the Canadian dollar, the Euro and even the Pound.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:36:41pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:36:53pm

re: #61 Kragar

What could possibly go wrong?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:37:23pm

re: #63 MsJ

This fucker. The dollar is down against the Canadian dollar, the Euro and even the Pound.

Are we tired of winning yet?

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plansbandc  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:37:25pm

re: #36 Joe Bacon

That’s an interesting piece of history. Wondered, aside from him being a Dem, why they hated him as much as they did.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:38:05pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Uh huh.

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CongoJack  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:38:23pm

re: #65 Eclectic Cyborg

What could possibly go wrong?

Pretty sure that is rhetorical… but I shall answer anyway.

You end up with a heavily armed group of people who live in the town ‘Dirty Dancing’ was based off of.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:38:45pm

re: #67 plansbandc

That’s an interesting piece of history. Wondered, aside from him being a Dem, why they hated him as much as they did.

Yeah I always wondered too.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:39:16pm

re: #69 CongoJack

Pretty sure that is rhetorical… but I shall answer anyway.

You end up with a heavily armed group of people who live in the town ‘Dirty Dancing’ was based off of.

These people must be so fun at parties.

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nines09  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:40:04pm

re: #61 Kragar

Can’t wait to see the “shields” or “badges” or “patches”. Should be real good. Id cards should also be telling. Where would they recruit? Hmmmm…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:40:12pm

re: #69 CongoJack

Pretty sure that is rhetorical… but I shall answer anyway.

You end up with a heavily armed group of people who live in the town ‘Dirty Dancing’ was based off of.

“Two unarmed Muslim men were shot outside a church in Alabama today…”

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CongoJack  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:44:30pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

These people must be so fun at parties.

I can see their party flyer now…

Come on down to the town square for the ice cream social.

Do not byob.

Lynching at 7 PM

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KGxvi  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:45:09pm

re: #60 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ukraine really does not like it when people use a “the” in front of its name. It’s considered insulting by most Ukrainians, and is a reference back to when the Soviets controlled the country (guess which country still regularly uses “the Ukraine” in referencing the country despite official requests going back to the 90s that it’s “Ukraine”).

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Kragar  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:47:17pm
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Jay C  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:48:10pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

r

e: #67 plansbandc

That’s an interesting piece of history. Wondered, aside from him being a Dem, why they hated him as much as they did.

Yeah I always wondered too.

Just a guess, but see Charles Pierce’s extracts above. Jimmy Carter’s main “problem” with the Evangelicals was mainly that he was nominally “one of them”, but preferred to focus on the positive aspects of his faith, rather than just making it a matter of who one hated, and how badly. Reagan, despite being a personally irreligious type (as Trump is today) knew the right buzzphrases and catchwords to use to stoke up the hate with the “religious Right”, but also cover it with the right deflective rhetoric.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:48:51pm

re: #75 KGxvi

Ukraine really does not like it when people use a “the” in front of its name. It’s considered insulting by most Ukrainians, and is a reference back to when the Soviets controlled the country (guess which country still regularly uses “the Ukraine” in referencing the country despite official requests going back to the 90s that it’s “Ukraine”).

Yep. He should know better but then I remember that he clearly doesn’t give a fuck about Ukrainian sovereignty.

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CongoJack  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:49:22pm

About this police force able to be formed by a church. Does this include African American churches? I foresee issues much like when Reagan did gun control in CA because of “the blacks getting gunz” in reference to the Black Panthers.

I await the RWNJ to say that the Charleston attack would have been prevented if this were in place then.

The final question I have - who would Jesus shoot in the face?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:49:42pm

re: #76 Kragar

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Congratulations, Trumpers, you not Mexico are paying for Trump’s wall.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:50:00pm

re: #77 Jay C

r

Just a guess, but see Charles Pierce’s extracts above. Jimmy Carter’s main “problem” with the Evangelicals was mainly that he was nominally “one of them”, but preferred to focus on the positive aspects of his faith, rather than just making it a matter of who one hated, and how badly. Reagan, despite being a personally irreligious type (as Trump is today) knew the right buzzphrases and catchwords to use to stoke up the hate with the “religious Right”, but also cover it with the right deflective rhetoric.

Very true.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:50:07pm

re: #76 Kragar

I thought Mex—-oh never mind.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:50:26pm

re: #79 CongoJack

About this police force able to be formed by a church. Does this include African American churches? I foresee issues much like when Reagan did gun control in CA because of “the blacks getting gunz” in reference to the Black Panthers.

I await the RWNJ to say that the Charleston attack would have been prevented if this were in place then.

The final question I have - who would Jesus shoot in the face?

The Bill applies only to that one church.
alisondb.legislature.state.al.us

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CongoJack  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:53:08pm

re: #83 Timothy Watson

The Bill applies only to that one church.
alisondb.legislature.state.al.us

Those SOB

Thanks for that knowledge.

Don’t see anything in there in why they are only allowing this to happen at one location. If it is good for one it is good for all (?).

Edit: altered the post because it looked like i called Timothy a SOB… sorry.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:53:45pm

re: #83 Timothy Watson

The Bill applies only to that one church.
alisondb.legislature.state.al.us

Seems Constitutionally questionable…

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KGxvi  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:54:22pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

Yep. He should know better but then I remember that he clearly doesn’t give a fuck about Ukrainian sovereignty.

If he was intelligent, I’d say it was a signal to Russia. But he’s not, so it’s just a diplomatic nightmare for whoever is running our embassy in Kiev; and whoever at State is responsible for fielding calls from the Ukrainian ambassador.

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whitebeach  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:55:31pm

re: #57 nines09

Don’t forget in all of this, Russia got the President they wanted. They won. Now we get to see how deep the layer of filth truly is.

I think that what Russia actually was aiming for was to smear Hillary and embroil her in more BS “scandals” so as to divide the US even more deeply following what, after all, looked like her near-certain election during most of the campaign. The flukes in the EC turned this nasty little tactic into a strategic goldmine when putin and his merry pranksters got even more division than they could have hoped, along with a president they can manipulate like a marionette.

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:55:41pm

re: #67 plansbandc

That’s an interesting piece of history. Wondered, aside from him being a Dem, why they hated him as much as they did.

Almost every choice the Evangelical groups in this country have made has been to continue segregation and oppression of women.

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bratwurst  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:56:02pm

This guy has a bright future in today’s GOP!

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CongoJack  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:56:28pm

re: #86 KGxvi

If he was intelligent, I’d say it was a signal to Russia. But he’s not, so it’s just a diplomatic nightmare for whoever is running our embassy in Kiev; and whoever at State is responsible for fielding calls from the Ukrainian ambassador.

I’d argue that the reason he stated “the Ukraine” is because its how it is stated in his Admin and to those he talks to (IE Russians or their proxies). tRump is a child and just uses the lingo that he sees at home. Like a grade school kid yelling “shit” constantly because of what they hear at home.

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Jay C  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:56:48pm

re: #79 CongoJack

About this police force able to be formed by a church. Does this include African American churches? I foresee issues much like when Reagan did gun control in CA because of “the blacks getting gunz” in reference to the Black Panthers.

I await the RWNJ to say that the Charleston attack would have been prevented if this were in place then.

The final question I have - who would Jesus shoot in the face?

Yeah, re that: here’s the paragraf from Pierce’s piece re the “church police”:

Lawmakers on Tuesday voted 24-4 to allow Briarwood Presbyterian Church in Birmingham to establish a law enforcement department. The church says it needs its own police officers to keep its school as well as its more than 4,000 person congregation safe. Critics of the bill argue that a police department that reports to church officials could be used to cover up crimes. The state has given a few private universities the authority to have a police force, but never a church or non-school entity. Police experts have said such a police department would be unprecedented in the U.S.

“4,000” congregants? OK: so we’re talking real megachurch here: just on the size of it alone, one would assume it might want/need a security force (outside of the usual deacons-on-Sunday sort), but why organized as a “police department”?? And how would that even work?

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Timothy Watson  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:57:04pm

re: #89 bratwurst

This guy has a bright future in today’s GOP!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:58:28pm

WASHINGTON—Almost three weeks after canceling a vote on his health-care package over infighting among his fellow Republicans and the opposition of the Democrats, President Donald Trump dug back into the fight on Wednesday, threatening to withhold payments to insurers to force Democrats to the negotiating table.

In an interview in the Oval Office, Mr. Trump said the White House may lack authority to make the payments established under his predecessor to reduce copayments and deductibles for some of the poorest customers who buy insurance under the 2010 Affordable Care Act. Cutting off the payments could trigger turmoil in insurance markets.

“I don’t want people to get hurt,” Mr. Trump said. “What I think should happen—and will happen—is the Democrats will start calling me and negotiating.”

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CongoJack  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:58:29pm

re: #91 Jay C

Yeah, re that: here’s the paragraf from Pierce’s piece re the “church police”:

“4,000” congregants? OK: so we’re talking real megachurch here: just on the size of it alone, one would assume it might want/need a security force (outside of the usual deacons-on-Sunday sort), but why organized as a “police department”?? And how would that even work?

Well - I’d say they can have their “police force” given to them by the state (in the form of permission) ONLY if the church starts to pay income and property taxes.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2017 • 1:59:37pm

re: #89 bratwurst

This guy has a bright future in today’s GOP!

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Jesus Christ, there’s so much fucking wrong with that.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:02:20pm

re: #61 Kragar

Taking the “gun church” to the next level? At this point I am not sure that an accountable, state-supervised police department is not the least of several evils. Many politically oriented Evangelical churches, especially in the south, seem hell-bent (so to speak) on turning themselves into fortresses and having an armed presence. In many, this takes the form of hiring private security. This is ok in Texas, where security operators are under fairly tight state police supervision; not so great in Alabama or some other states, where it is much easier to get uniforms and badges and go to work as an armed force. The worst, armed volunteers, are also prevalent and some Houses of Superstition actually encourage certain (white, well-to-do) members to bring their own concealed guns to services. Shooting ranges have joined basketball courts, gyms, and bowling among church-owned amenities in some areas.

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darthstar  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:04:02pm

I just booked my MIL and her sister some flights to KC at the end of the month…on United. When they asked why I chose United, I told them because they beat their passengers. Their response? “You’re the best son-in-law ever!” Fact is, the prices for first class were good.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:05:46pm

re: #98 darthstar

I just booked my MIL and her sister some flights to KC at the end of the month…on United. When they asked why I chose United, I told them because they beat their passengers. Their response? “You’re the best son-in-law ever!” Fact is, the prices for first class were good.

I don’t even buy first class for myself, and you do it for other people! Hey everyone, Darth is wealthy!

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coin operated  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:07:00pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trying to play hardball with Nancy SMASH?
Oooooh K…let me know how that works out for you.

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Cheechako  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:09:32pm
WASHINGTON—Almost three weeks after canceling a vote on his health-care package over infighting among his fellow Republicans and the opposition of the Democrats, President Donald Trump dug back into the fight on Wednesday, threatening to withhold payments to insurers to force Democrats to the negotiating table.

In an interview in the Oval Office, Mr. Trump said the White House may lack authority to make the payments established under his predecessor to reduce copayments and deductibles for some of the poorest customers who buy insurance under the 2010 Affordable Care Act. Cutting off the payments could trigger turmoil in insurance markets.

“I don’t want people to get hurt,” Mr. Trump said. “What I think should happen—and will happen—is the Democrats will start calling me and negotiating.”

Don’t expect the Democrats to negotiate anything. This is politics , not business. Why would you expect the Democrats to bail you out for making such a stupid move?

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:10:04pm

re: #79 CongoJack

About this police force able to be formed by a church. Does this include African American churches? I foresee issues much like when Reagan did gun control in CA because of “the blacks getting gunz” in reference to the Black Panthers.

I await the RWNJ to say that the Charleston attack would have been prevented if this were in place then.

The final question I have - who would Jesus shoot in the face?

Imagine the response if/when a mosque applies for its own police force, which they can justify at least as easily as a fundy mega-church. I’ll leave it that.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:11:43pm

Better than that, just imagine a Temple of Satan with its own police force. I bet they could come up with some cool uniforms.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:11:56pm

re: #88 Belafon

I stopped attending my in-laws’ church with them when visiting because I found out that they do not allow women to vote on any church business — it is a Baptist church in a Houston suburb. We showed up at their house for a weekend visit and my mother-in-law was home alone. When asked where my father-in-law was, she said, “The church is voting on a new Minister of Music, so he went to vote on that.” I asked why she didn’t go with him, since she is MUCH more involved in the church than he is, and she said, “Only the men are allowed to vote.”

I almost fell over. I told my husband I would not go to church their church again. Since I was raised by a single mom, it hit very close to home that my family would have had no representation had we attended a church like that, and it pissed me off to no end. Still does.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:12:16pm

re: #79 CongoJack

About this police force able to be formed by a church. Does this include African American churches?

Well, we’re just gonna approve these police requests one at a time, church by church, not discriminatory at all.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:12:24pm

re: #102 Cheechako

Don’t expect the Democrats to negotiate anything. This is politics , not business. Why would you expect the Democrats to bail you out for making such a stupid move?

Seriously…he’s a fucking imbecile.

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gocart mozart  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:12:56pm
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Sir John Barron  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:13:45pm

re: #102 Cheechako

Don’t expect the Democrats to negotiate anything. This is politics , not business. Why would you expect the Democrats to bail you out for making such a stupid move?

Next: DT threatens to resign if Dems don’t agree to kill O-care.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:14:43pm

re: #102 Cheechako

Don’t expect the Democrats to negotiate anything. This is politics , not business. Why would you expect the Democrats to bail you out for making such a stupid move?

Or, you know, since DT’s party controls the f0cking government, they can assemble a majority of their caucuses in both houses and pass whatever legislation they want.

But yeah, OK, DT, Dems need to negotiate with you.

/

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Bubblehead II  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:15:49pm

re: #91 Jay C

Yeah, re that: here’s the paragraf from Pierce’s piece re the “church police”:

“4,000” congregants? OK: so we’re talking real megachurch here: just on the size of it alone, one would assume it might want/need a security force (outside of the usual deacons-on-Sunday sort), but why organized as a “police department”?? And how would that even work?

Simple. It’s a way to keep the congregation and those that oppose it (church) under control. Been done before.

Polygamist Mormon Sect Accused of Using Local Police to Bully Non-Members

Related

Arizona Attorney General Asks Judge to Disband Police Force in Polygamist Community

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:16:18pm

re: #79 CongoJack

The final question I have - who would Jesus shoot in the face?

I dunno, but there are a lot of very “pious” Americans who would shoot Jesus right in the face if he got in their way.

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Scout  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:18:27pm

re: #108 gocart mozart

That’s just plain weird.

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Jay C  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:19:40pm

re: #79 CongoJack

The final question I have - who would Jesus shoot in the face?

But: Isn’t Christianity the “Religion Of Peace” (tm)??????

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:20:22pm

re: #116 Jay C

But: Isn’t Christianity the “Religion Of Peace Piece” (tm)??????

118
thedopefishlives  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:21:54pm

re: #117 Belafon

Religion of Piece of Ass, if the media reports are anything to go by.

Evening Lizardim.

119
darthstar  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:25:39pm

re: #99 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

I don’t even buy first class for myself, and you do it for other people! Hey everyone, Darth is wealthy!

I used her card. :)

120
Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:25:39pm

re: #118 thedopefishlives

Religion of Piece of Ass, if the media reports are anything to go by.

Evening Lizardim.

Who hasn’t snorted speed off a prostitutes ass? It’s good Conservative fun.

121
Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:26:05pm

re: #119 darthstar

I used her card. :)

Sure you did. Can I borrow $50?
/

122
Belafon  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:26:49pm

Something to read: Chris Reeves puts up his report on the Kansas election.

123
darthstar  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:27:06pm

re: #121 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

Sure you did. Can I borrow $50?
/

Sure…Hey someone - give Jeff $50.

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:27:57pm

re: #118 thedopefishlives

Religion of Piece of Ass, if the media reports are anything to go by.

Evening Lizardim.

I was thinking weapon, but yours works too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:28:08pm

FYI for those who have asked:

The origin of the rumor appears to stem from a bit of sloppy Googling by users of a crowd-sourced site called Everipedia, which published erroneous information that then spread across social media and was taken as fact. The site describes itself as “the encyclopedia of everything,” and it functions similarly to Wikipedia, where users contribute the content.

As Dao’s name first began to circulate publicly, users of Everipedia created a page for Dao that identified him as David Thanh Duc Dao, “an American physician based in New Orleans, Louisiana.” To support this identification, users cited links to generic Internet sites that listed the full name of a David Dao who was a doctor in Louisiana — the wrong David Dao.

(Everipedia users would later correct Dao’s page and then identify him with a new name, “David Anh Duy Dao,” “a Vietnamese American physician based in Elizabethtown, Kentucky.” This time, the source was court records related to Dao’s indictment in Kentucky, which listed the correct Dao’s full name.)

But it was too late. Social-media users began identifying the United passenger as “David Thanh Duc Dao,” of Louisiana, which later led other users to point out that this was not the same name listed on Dao’s criminal records in Kentucky.

To be clear: the passenger was indeed Dr. David Anh Duy Dao of Elizabethtown, KY, and all of the breathless conspiracy stuff is nonsense.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:33:53pm

re: #105 Flying Squirrel Girl

I stopped attending my in-laws’ church with them when visiting because I found out that they do not allow women to vote on any church business — it is a Baptist church in a Houston suburb. We showed up at their house for a weekend visit and my mother-in-law was home alone. When asked where my father-in-law was, she said, “The church is voting on a new Minister of Music, so he went to vote on that.” I asked why she didn’t go with him, since she is MUCH more involved in the church than he is, and she said, “Only the men are allowed to vote.”

I almost fell over. I told my husband I would not go to church their church again. Since I was raised by a single mom, it hit very close to home that my family would have had no representation had we attended a church like that, and it pissed me off to no end. Still does.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 12, 2017 • 2:52:17pm

re: #116 Jay C

re: #117 Belafon

And Jesus spake unto the sinful multitude, proclaiming “What? What? Y’all want a piece of this?”

128
Romantic Heretic  Apr 12, 2017 • 3:09:08pm

re: #1 Skip Intro

Read the paragraph quoted to my wife and she noted, “What happened to love thy neighbour as thyself?”

129
Romantic Heretic  Apr 12, 2017 • 3:18:12pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

Meaning Trump’s hoping McMaster is next to a car bomb when it goes off and 45 can put Jared in charge of the NSC.

Trump doesn’t like people with spines around him, but firing McMaster would make Trump look bad. So he’s hoping that the Taliban will handle that for him. Plus Trump will get to host the most bigly exceptional funeral.

The yam might get his own war out of it as well. You can’t be a President if you don’t have a war named after you.

130
Romantic Heretic  Apr 12, 2017 • 3:23:02pm

re: #30 FormerDirtDart

Cowardly bastard had the nerve to murder two defenceless children but not enough to use the firearm on himself.

Burn in Hell, asshole,

131
Barefoot Grin  Apr 12, 2017 • 4:46:54pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

This is kind of like what he did to his nephew: “I don’t like to see people get hurt, but…”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2017 • 4:54:10pm

re: #131 Barefoot Grin

This is kind of like what he did to his nephew: “I don’t like to see people get hurt, but…”

yep

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John Hughes  Apr 13, 2017 • 6:04:08am

re: #1 Skip Intro

At this time, what is fundamental is hating liberals, hating Obama, hating abortion and hating same-sex marriage.

I’m a second generation atheist and I’m a better Christian than these people.


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