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electrotek  Apr 13, 2017 • 9:56:57pm

Such a blessed soul. May Allah swt bless her in the Hereafter.

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Anymouse  Apr 13, 2017 • 9:58:51pm

I have never been a religious person, but “Amazing Grace” always seems to tear me up in times like these. This particular rendition is hauntingly beautiful.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 13, 2017 • 10:02:40pm

Hug your kitty, Aminah. Give them all the scratches you’ve missed.

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Anymouse  Apr 13, 2017 • 10:06:07pm
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Puss Power  Apr 13, 2017 • 10:08:51pm

re: #4 Anymouse

Parody account, but I agree.

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teleskiguy  Apr 13, 2017 • 10:09:23pm

re: #4 Anymouse

Fake/parody account.

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teleskiguy  Apr 13, 2017 • 10:11:40pm
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Alyosha  Apr 13, 2017 • 10:13:05pm

Heh, in emulating the dearly departed, reposting from the last thread.

I don’t really know what to say…
Except that CL was one of those posters who reeled me into the LGF open forum experience. She’d find a topic and dig right down to the bottom of it and share her findings. In that sense she was true to her nym. She was funny (omg her trove of pixelated gifs!), wise, possessing both the sensitivity and passion of an artist, and a formidable force if you were game enough to try her.
I didn’t know her for as long or as well as alot of you, but she was a firecracker; so full of life, which is what makes all this so shocking.

Godspeed you, Aminah, you spunky geek, staunch advocate and fellow lurker.

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Anymouse  Apr 13, 2017 • 10:13:30pm

re: #5 Puss Power

Parody account, but I agree.

Too bad Mark Cuban didn’t send it himself. I agreed with the sentiment of the tweet though.

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Belafon  Apr 13, 2017 • 10:15:29pm

re: #9 Anymouse

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teleskiguy  Apr 13, 2017 • 10:16:24pm

re: #8 Alyosha

Heh, in emulating the dearly departed, reposting from the last thread.

[…]

(omg her trove of pixelated gifs!)

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teleskiguy  Apr 13, 2017 • 10:18:34pm

Aminah was notorious for posting at the end of a thread right when a new one was beginning. She’d always announce it, too! Got to the point where she’d say “I’m good at this!”

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Alyosha  Apr 13, 2017 • 10:20:10pm

re: #12 teleskiguy

Aminah was notorious for posting at the end of a thread right when a new one was beginning. She’d always announce it, too! Got to the point where she’d say “I’m good at this!”

Her flair for it bordered on supernatural.

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teleskiguy  Apr 13, 2017 • 10:20:32pm

re: #12 teleskiguy

Aminah was notorious for posting at the end of a thread right when a new one was beginning. She’d always announce it, too! Got to the point where she’d say “I’m good at this!”

And it would always be some multi-paragraph missive about important shit.

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freetoken  Apr 13, 2017 • 10:28:56pm

I believe Aminah would have loved these kittens, who are just learning to play:

Gaia’s Kittens (fosters for Purrfect Pals)

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Anymouse  Apr 13, 2017 • 10:29:36pm
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retired cynic  Apr 13, 2017 • 10:33:23pm

re: #16 Anymouse

He’s not wrong. He’s not _in the right_, but he’s not wrong.

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Anymouse  Apr 13, 2017 • 10:36:05pm

beta.theglobeandmail.com

Sarah Kendzior in an opinion piece in Toronto’s Globe and Mail today, more at the link:

A week ago, the Trump administration was in trouble. Its health-care plan failed, the President’s ratings were at a record low and more nefarious campaign dealings with Russia had been revealed. The LA Times ran a viral, multipart series outlining that Mr. Trump is an authoritarian leader who lies compulsively and is unfit to hold office.

But by the end of the week, an LA Times columnist awarded Trump’s week a “B” for a job well done. That job, of course, was bombing Syria.

When the media cheers Mr. Trump’s bombing, seemingly forgetting the policy failures that preceded those explosions, we’re all in danger. He is a man who craves praise - and if he receives it through brute force, he’ll keep doing it.

Case in point: On Thursday, Mr. Trump dropped something called “the mother of all bombs” - a bomb so large it’s never been used in combat - in eastern Afghanistan.

He seeks praise for this - and hopes that the smoke will hide all of his many transgressions.

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BigPapa  Apr 13, 2017 • 10:39:54pm

Wow. I’m sad, but this is awesome. Went to CL’s page and started reading to remember. She made many really good Pages with LGF’s sweet and slick interface.

I thought ‘wonder how some of my old Pages look.’ I rolled down looking at some old Pages of mine laughing and cringing and smirking at my old words. Lo and behold one of my first Pages where I got real and poured me guts out.. and CL posted a most CL response.

Awesome.

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makeitstop  Apr 13, 2017 • 10:42:47pm

re: #15 freetoken

I believe Aminah would have loved these kittens, who are just learning to play:

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They took a little of the edge off.

I’m stunned. I can barely imagine this place without CL. Even when she was busy and could only do a drive-by, she’d post the most incredible, informative information - often on a subject that few people would even think of researching.

Got a little quieter in the LGF family today. I’ll miss my Lizard sister, who I only knew as words on a screen. A kind, compassionate light in a very dark world. We need more CLs, not less, damn it.

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teleskiguy  Apr 13, 2017 • 10:47:20pm

Herman Melville:

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freetoken  Apr 13, 2017 • 10:47:22pm

UC today posted a March concert by the LJ symphony, appropriately, Verdi’s Requiem:

Verdi’s Requiem - La Jolla Symphony and Chorus

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William Lewis  Apr 13, 2017 • 10:48:56pm

Beautiful version of that hymn. Thank you for it.

Anyone with 36 minutes to spare, give this a listem. This is Faure’s Requiem and I listened to it again to night because Faure, in his agnostic way, created possibly the most hopeful Requiem mass I know of. And that hope is what I need and why I offer this link tonight for CL.

Gabriel Faure’s Requiem Op. 48 Complete (Best Recording)

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Anymouse  Apr 13, 2017 • 10:49:42pm

CIA Director Mike Pompeo obliterates Julian Assange and Wikileaks:

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I cannot.  Apr 13, 2017 • 10:52:32pm

re: #24 Anymouse

Except last year, Pompeo was promoting Wikileaks output, and NOW he figures out the blindingly obvious.

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Anymouse  Apr 13, 2017 • 10:58:09pm

re: #25 I cannot.

Except last year, Pompeo was promoting Wikileaks output, and NOW he figures out the blindingly obvious.

Last year Wikileaks was helping the Republicans.

“Going Home” is a bagpipe requiem played for many years at military funerals, and more recently civilian ones… . for Curious Lurker

Going Home Played on the Bagpipes

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 13, 2017 • 10:58:11pm

Tangentially related: My MIL says she wants Amazing Grace sung at her funeral…but only so long as it’s to the tune of “The House Of the Rising Sun”.

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piratedan  Apr 13, 2017 • 11:01:22pm

she was a different voice and a different perspective that helped me understand my own bubbles and preconceptions and shatter them. For that insight and her passion, I always appreciated her posts and perspective and insight.

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Anymouse  Apr 13, 2017 • 11:05:05pm

re: #27 Eclectic Cyborg

Tangentially related: My MIL says she wants Amazing Grace sung at her funeral…but only so long as it’s to the tune of “The House Of the Rising Sun”.

I’ve told my family I want “The Parting Glass” sung for mine, preferably in a bar.

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CleverToad  Apr 13, 2017 • 11:16:54pm

Husband and I ran away from home for a couple of nights to celebrate or 25th wedding anniversary yesterday. My brother came out from Lincoln to take care of my mom and our son, bless ‘im, so we could get away. Nice relaxing time at the Dino Hotel (aka bestwesterndenver.com — neat place for bone buffs); a hot tub, lobster, elk stew, and 10th Mountain Whiskey were involved.

Came back to bad news about bombs. Frustrating news about the continuing push to wreak havoc on healthcare. Terribly sad news about CL.

Bittersweet reminder of something I’ve seen in fandom for 30 years, that mail/chat/online communities and friendships can be as real as any “in real life” even when you seldom — or never — meet face-to-face.

Sharp reminder that I need to catch my “notify when I croak” list up to date, and finish the damned list of all my online accounts and passwords to go with my will and power of attorney. Cyberspace is a real place in all of our lives now, with legal and financial ramifications.

Curious reminder that as I’ve gotten older, the words “quietly, in their sleep” resonate differently now. “Peacefully.” Perhaps a blessing, albeit a hard one for those left behind.

It was definitely the 13th.

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Anymouse  Apr 13, 2017 • 11:22:22pm

My regional paper is reporting on a different aspect of Rep. Mike Coffman’s (R-Colo.) angry town hall in Aurora. (Bear in mind our newspaper leans so far right it could fall over.)

starherald.com

Republican U.S. Rep. Mike Coffman told an angry crowd that he’ll oppose Donald Trump at the right time but won’t do it every day.

Coffman held his first town hall of the year Wednesday night. It was packed with anti-Trump constituents who booed the congressman. Coffman had pledged to stand up to Trump during his re-election campaign last year in a district won by Democrat Hillary Clinton.

Coffman said the president and members of Congress should be forced by law to release their tax returns. But he insisted he could not force Trump to do that retroactively.

He grew visibly frustrated at jeers from the crowd saying “Those of you on the extreme left will never be satisfied until Trump” leaves office. (emphasis mine)

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retired cynic  Apr 13, 2017 • 11:24:29pm

re: #31 Anymouse

Something tells me his definition of the ‘extreme left’ doesn’t coincide with mine.

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Targetpractice  Apr 13, 2017 • 11:25:10pm

re: #31 Anymouse

My regional paper is reporting on a different aspect of Rep. Mike Coffman’s (R-Colo.) angry town hall in Aurora. (Bear in mind our newspaper leans so far right it could fall over.)

starherald.com

The GOP wants to have it both ways: They want their constituents to believe that they don’t really like Trump and are opposing him BUT they are angry that people think that opposition should be more than just empty words said between votes.

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Anymouse  Apr 13, 2017 • 11:30:25pm

re: #33 Targetpractice

The GOP wants to have it both ways: They want their constituents to believe that they don’t really like Trump and are opposing him BUT they are angry that people think that opposition should be more than just empty words said between votes.

Around these parts, I am the “extreme left.” Holding Rep. Coffman to his words somehow in his mind makes you “the extreme left.”

At least Rep. Coffman had enough courage to show up for a town hall (something a lot of GOP reps haven’t been doing lately).

I don’t understand why Democrats who are considering running for office in Republican-represented districts simply don’t get up on a stage when a GOP rep doesn’t show for a town hall (unless there is some sort of rules or laws against that).

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teleskiguy  Apr 13, 2017 • 11:43:53pm

Aminah would have a field day with this.

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Targetpractice  Apr 13, 2017 • 11:45:22pm

re: #34 Anymouse

Around these parts, I am the “extreme left.” Holding Rep. Coffman to his words somehow in his mind makes you “the extreme left.”

At least Rep. Coffman had enough courage to show up for a town hall (something a lot of GOP reps haven’t been doing lately).

I don’t understand why Democrats who are considering running for office in Republican-represented districts simply don’t get up on a stage when a GOP rep doesn’t show for a town hall (unless there is some sort of rules or laws against that).

I’ve no idea, but it might simply be that its getting them more mileage to let angry voters hound the GOP rather than giving them something to attack. Because lets be honest, if the Dems did try to jump up on stage like that, the GOP would be quick to scream bloody murder and portray themselves as the “victims.”

Overall, what we have is a GOP that is trying desperately to play both sides, convincing moderate and liberal voters that they’re not onboard with Trump, while at the same time convincing conservative voters that they’re totally best buds with Trump. There’s no real way to thread that needle without temper tantrums like this where they’re called out for their bullshit and resort to calling their critics “liberals.”

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teleskiguy  Apr 13, 2017 • 11:51:14pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

Exactly right. These fuckers think they can skate by on their Trump denial, but when the facts are out there these fuckers think they can play the plausible deniability card, that they don’t actually believe the Trump sewage. Mike Coffman is walking a very thin tightrope in Colorado with his politics.

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Anymouse  Apr 13, 2017 • 11:51:32pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

I’ve no idea, but it might simply be that its getting them more mileage to let angry voters hound the GOP rather than giving them something to attack. Because lets be honest, if the Dems did try to jump up on stage like that, the GOP would be quick to scream bloody murder and portray themselves as the “victims.”

Overall, what we have is a GOP that is trying desperately to play both sides, convincing moderate and liberal voters that they’re not onboard with Trump, while at the same time convincing conservative voters that they’re totally best buds with Trump. There’s no real way to thread that needle without temper tantrums like this where they’re called out for their bullshit and resort to calling their critics “liberals.”

I suppose that is true. Moreover, not all of the people going to Republican town halls are Democrats. I imagine a Republican voter seeing in person his or her representative call them “liberals” will not leave a good taste in their mouths.

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Targetpractice  Apr 13, 2017 • 11:56:12pm

re: #38 Anymouse

I suppose that is true. Moreover, not all of the people going to Republican town halls are Democrats. I imagine a Republican voter seeing in person his or her representative call them “liberals” will not leave a good taste in their mouths.

Plus, as Charles Pierce quoted over at his blog:

Turner on Thursday accused one of the organizers for Saturday’s town hall of fraudulently misrepresenting herself and said he would not attend a meeting organized by a group he considers illegitimate. According to Turner, the Dayton Indivisible group pretends to be a constituent community organization when really it is an “arm of the Democratic Party” that is part of national protest efforts.

The GOP is claiming that any oppposition to them is being organized by the DNC, so having a Democrat jump up on the empty stage would legitimize that BS. Best to just let these sorry SOBs dig themselves in deeper by insulting their own constituents or avoiding them altogether.

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teleskiguy  Apr 13, 2017 • 11:57:35pm

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piratedan  Apr 13, 2017 • 11:58:52pm

re: #39 Targetpractice

supposedly Jeff Flake got roasted at his town hall in AZ tonight as well… think all of the GOP are hearing from their constituents, they’re supposed to represent us all, so as far as I’m concerned, they can simply sit up there and take it.

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Anymouse  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:04:19am

re: #41 piratedan

supposedly Jeff Flake got roasted at his town hall in AZ tonight as well… think all of the GOP are hearing from their constituents, they’re supposed to represent us all, so as far as I’m concerned, they can simply sit up there and take it.

Considering all the Democrats that took the same during the Tea Party wave …

re: #39 Targetpractice

And what is an “illegitimate group” anyway? Even if his town hall was organised by an Indivisible group:

a) how does that make it illegitimate
b) isn’t he smart enough to find organisers aside from those who are generally opposed to the GOP’s agenda?

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Puss Power  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:04:24am

re: #41 piratedan

supposedly Jeff Flake got roasted at his town hall in AZ tonight as well… think all of the GOP are hearing from their constituents, they’re supposed to represent us all, so as far as I’m concerned, they can simply sit up there and take it.

Couldn’t happen to nicer people.

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Anymouse  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:06:36am

My own representative has come right out and said he only represents Republicans. I really hope Jane Kleeb or someone else can run against him on a platform of “I represent everyone in the district.”

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allegro  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:14:57am

re: #44 Anymouse

My own representative has come right out and said he only represents Republicans. I really hope Jane Kleeb or someone else can run against him on a platform of “I represent everyone in the district.”

That worked so well for Hillary.

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teleskiguy  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:15:25am

Thank you Sarah, you silly!

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piratedan  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:27:42am

re: #45 allegro

perhaps after finding out that the GOP only represents bigots, religious fundies and rich people, other folks might find that less than appealing. No harm in trying to reach those that can be reached.

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Anymouse  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:29:07am

re: #45 allegro

That worked so well for Hillary.

Well, no candidate will win every vote. I imagine that if the election had gone the other way (in favour of Mrs. Clinton), she actually would have tried to represent the interests of everyone. Even someone like Jeb Bush would have made at least an attempt at it.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:49:08am

Huh? Parking lot? 11 pm?
Sounds more like “hold muh beer!” than “one small step.”
University of Idaho: Experimental rocket explosion injures 4
Four people were injured when an experimental rocket exploded at the University of Idaho on Thursday night, school officials said.

The victims were testing the rocket in a parking lot next to the school’s steam plant, when it apparently malfunctioned, said Jodi Walker, a campus spokeswoman.

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Nyet  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:53:29am

re: #48 Anymouse

Yes. She very correctly characterized the Trump base as a basket of deplorables but never implied she wouldn’t represent them too.

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Anymouse  Apr 14, 2017 • 1:21:01am

re: #50 Nyet

Yes. She very correctly characterized the Trump base as a basket of deplorables but never implied she wouldn’t represent them too.

It wasn’t even all of Mr. Trump’s base, but a certain segment of that base (the Nazis, &c)

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Nyet  Apr 14, 2017 • 1:31:59am

Have gotten my hands on hundreds of thousands of pages of archival materials (primary sources, trials, etc.), expect to get even more next month (like the whole Auschwitz Zentralbauleitung archive). The only question is where to find time. :)

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freetoken  Apr 14, 2017 • 2:40:07am
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Bubblehead II  Apr 14, 2017 • 2:40:47am

Damn. Not something I wanted to see first thing in the morning. Rest in peace CL/Aminah. You will be missed.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2017 • 2:45:57am
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Teukka  Apr 14, 2017 • 2:50:06am
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Teukka  Apr 14, 2017 • 2:51:33am

re: #56 Teukka

Either that or this one:

Randy Edelman To The Stars

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Targetpractice  Apr 14, 2017 • 2:55:13am

re: #55 Timothy Watson

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But remember, according to Sessions, we need to be easing back on examining this sort of behavior from police departments because they need our total support.

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William Lewis  Apr 14, 2017 • 3:02:02am

re: #55 Timothy Watson

Step in the​ right direction, but if he’s not in a cell he’ll probably just get another badge with another corrupt PD.

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William Lewis  Apr 14, 2017 • 3:04:45am

re: #57 Teukka

Either that or this one:

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Perhaps this one? It’s what I’d like at my funeral someday.

Annie Lennox - Into The West [Official Clip MOVIE TRAILER] - HD

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Teukka  Apr 14, 2017 • 3:08:40am

re: #60 William Lewis

Perhaps this one? It’s what I’d like at my funeral someday.

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Video

I’m torn between Randy Edelman’s “To the Stars” and John Williams’ “Across the Stars” for mine.

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Targetpractice  Apr 14, 2017 • 3:19:39am

I’ve been composing a list of songs for my own funeral. So far I have…

- Queen, “Another One Bites The Dust”
- AC/DC, “Highway to Hell”
- Blue Oyster Cult, “Don’t Fear The Reaper”
- Metallica, “For Whom The Bell Tolls”
- Monty Python, “Always Look on the Bright Side of Life”

Can you tell I’m big on gallows humor?

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wheat-dogg  Apr 14, 2017 • 3:33:39am

re: #57 Teukka

Excellent photo of the Pleiades for that one.

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Nyet  Apr 14, 2017 • 3:36:27am
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Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2017 • 3:47:47am

re: #13 Alyosha

Her flair for it bordered on supernatural.

It will always be “pulling a CL” in my book.

Fuck 2017. :(

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Nyet  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:03:53am
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William Lewis  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:08:35am

re: #66 Nyet

No, but that doesn’t mean this year isn’t sucking just as hard.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:19:31am

re: #62 Targetpractice

I’ve been composing a list of songs for my own funeral. So far I have…

- Queen, “Another One Bites The Dust”
- AC/DC, “Highway to Hell”
- Blue Oyster Cult, “Don’t Fear The Reaper”
- Metallica, “For Whom The Bell Tolls”
- Monty Python, “Always Look on the Bright Side of Life”

Can you tell I’m big on gallows humor?

“Whaling Stories” by Procol Harum, especially for the final verse:

SHALIMAR, the trumpets chorused,
angels wholly all shall take
Those alive will meet the prophets,
those at peace shall see their wake.

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Nyet  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:22:05am
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Birth Control Works  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:26:26am
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The Crusher  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:26:33am
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Birth Control Works  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:27:42am

I once heard Amazing Grace sang a capella —every verse.

It is a song that can reach into the core of a person —religious or not.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:29:12am

re: #70 Birth Control Works

Call the Church Police!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:30:12am

re: #72 Birth Control Works

I once heard Amazing Grace sang a capella —every verse.

It is a song that can reach into the core of a person —religious or not.

It was written by a slave trader who saw the light and turn his shipload of human cargo back around to Africa.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:30:36am

re: #62 Targetpractice

I’ve been composing a list of songs for my own funeral. So far I have…

- Queen, “Another One Bites The Dust”
- AC/DC, “Highway to Hell”
- Blue Oyster Cult, “Don’t Fear The Reaper”
- Metallica, “For Whom The Bell Tolls”
- Monty Python, “Always Look on the Bright Side of Life”

Can you tell I’m big on gallows humor?

I’m not having a funeral. My body will be donated to the Anatomical Gift Society of Illinois or a similar organization where ever I die. Family can decide on their own what event will best bring the closure.

I would not object to a big party —

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Birth Control Works  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:31:33am

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was written by a slave trader who saw the light and turn his shipload of human cargo back around to Africa.

I know. The lines “a wretch like me” is especially gut wrenching. Bill Moyers did a show on it years ago (90’s).

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Birth Control Works  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:33:02am

I am now on day 7 of illness. Been on Tamiflu since Sunday.

Hubby says we are going back to the Dr. today if I don’t stop coughing.

going back to recliner soon. Can’t breathe thru my nose if I’m in the bed.

oy

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Birth Control Works  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:34:54am

Artist Who Created Charging Bull Statue Says Fearless Girl Statue Is Ruining Everything

Di Modica calls the statue an ”advertising trick” created by two corporate giants — Boston-based State Street Global Advisors and McCann, its New York advertising firm.

The Italian-born sculptor says the presence of ”Fearless Girl” infringes on his own artistic copyright to the ”Charging Bull,” by changing the creative dynamic to include the other bold presence.

What a whining diva!

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makeitstop  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:37:41am

re: #27 Eclectic Cyborg

Tangentially related: My MIL says she wants Amazing Grace sung at her funeral…but only so long as it’s to the tune of “The House Of the Rising Sun”.

Blind Boys of Alabama do exactly that.

Blind Boys of Alabama - Amazing Grace (House of the rising sun) @ bluesfest 2011

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Birth Control Works  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:40:31am
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Ming5000  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:42:09am

I just found this picture last night. It is supposedly the dinner at Maralago for China President Xi.
There is Jared, Ivanka, and… down the table is Bannon.

One of the many things that I am sick of, Maralago… The White House isn’t good enough?

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Birth Control Works  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:42:23am

Dan Rather Just Gave The Best Response To Spicer’s Hitler Remark

“This line of rhetoric is so unhinged, so amateurish, so lacking in the context and perspective necessary for statesmanship and diplomacy that I do not see how Mr. Spicer can be allowed to continue in his current position. But in the end, this is less about him and more about an Administration that is inserting itself in a civil war and now is plunging into a drastic reformulation of American foreign policy without any clear sense that they have a plan. When you try to explain such a situation, it is understandable that your words don’t make sense.

A bar, already set low, continues to drop.”

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Jay C  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:44:02am

re: #81 Ming5000

I just found this picture last night. It is supposedly the dinner at Maralago for China President Xi.
There is Jared, Ivanka, and… down the table is Bannon.

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One of the many things that I am sick of, Maralago… The White House isn’t good enough?

Naaah: unlike Mar-a-Lago, the WH doesn’t have the price tags left on……

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Birth Control Works  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:44:10am
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makeitstop  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:46:27am

re: #61 Teukka

I’m torn between Randy Edelman’s “To the Stars” and John Williams’ “Across the Stars” for mine.

This is what I’ll have them play as we say goodbye. Also for Aminah.

Where Were You - Jeff Beck

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Birth Control Works  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:48:19am

Texas Votes To Cut Funds From Clean Air Programs & Redirect The Money To Anti-Abortion Initiatives

On Thursday evening, the Texas State House of Representatives voted to take money from clean air initiatives and give it to the state’s Alternatives to Abortion (A2A) initiative, which, according to the Huffington Post, funds “faith-based, non-medical crisis pregnancy centers.” The House voted 131-16 to cut $20 million from the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality (TCEQ) air quality assessment and planning program and use the money to instead further fund the A2A’s controversial “crisis pregnancy centers.”

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Joe Bacon  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:50:34am

re: #77 Birth Control Works

I am now on day 7 of illness. Been on Tamiflu since Sunday.

Hubby says we are going back to the Dr. today if I don’t stop coughing.

going back to recliner soon. Can’t breathe thru my nose if I’m in the bed.

oy

I know the feeling. I’m on Day 10 with this crap. I’m going to try to go back to work on Monday…

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Birth Control Works  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:51:27am
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Birth Control Works  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:51:41am

re: #87 Joe Bacon

I know the feeling. I’m on Day 10 with this crap. I’m going to try to go back to work on Monday…

(joe bacon)

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Birth Control Works  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:52:45am

re: #81 Ming5000

I just found this picture last night. It is supposedly the dinner at Maralago for China President Xi.
There is Jared, Ivanka, and… down the table is Bannon.

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One of the many things that I am sick of, Maralago… The White House isn’t good enough?

Trump justs likes to pretend it is at Versailles. White House isn’t gaudy enough for him.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:53:18am

re: #89 Birth Control Works

(joe bacon)

I haven’t been this sick in over 25 years. This bug is one stubborn CENSORED. Dr has me on a stronger antibiotic, cough syrup and now stronger version of Flonase.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:54:07am

I’m drawn between a simple and traditional version of Danny Boy or The Pogues’ Sick Bed of Cucharrin. Not sure. Amazing Grace is beautiful though. You don’t have to be religious to appreciate its beauty and story behind it.

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ObserverArt  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:54:53am

Morning…still feeling sad about CL.

And, I’m feeling sad about some in the media starting to credit Trump for his bombing of things. How in one week he has turned his fortunes and is trending up and that may be a sign that he is learning.

He is still Donald Trump. He still has a history of doing stupid things. That has not and will never change. Don’t feed the beast.

I don’t want to hear about Obama being indecisive and Trump not wasting time.

How is everyone going to feel if Trump decides he is going to show ultimate toughness and starts a big mess with North Korea that could drag a lot of people into a war with a lot of bombs?

I don’t see bombing as Presidential. I see restraint and trying not to bomb as Presidential.

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Nyet  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:55:25am

re: #52 Nyet

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 4:59:39am

re: #93 ObserverArt

Morning…still feeling sad about CL.

And, I’m feeling sad about some in the media starting to credit Trump for his bombing of things. How in one week he has turned his fortunes and is trending up and that may be a sign that he is learning.

He is still Donald Trump. He still has a history of doing stupid things. That has not and will never change. Don’t feed the beast.

I don’t want to hear about Obama being indecisive and Trump not wasting time.

How is everyone going to feel if Trump decides he is going to show ultimate toughness and starts a big mess with North Korea that could drag a lot of people into a war with a lot of bombs?

I don’t see bombing as Presidential. I see restraint and trying not to bomb as Presidential.

They need to stop trying to normalize him. They tried it after the Congressional speech too. And I Agree about bombing and not bombing too.

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Ming5000  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:00:59am

re: #90 Birth Control Works

Trump justs likes to pretend it is at Versailles. White House isn’t gaudy enough for him.

You are probably right. There is some demented mental issue going on.
He is so unfit to be President and the next 5000 jobs on the jobs list.

How will I ever forgive Trumpers? Sorry Aunt M_

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Birth Control Works  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:02:59am

going back to recliner —

have a great morning all!

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:15:03am

re: #24 Anymouse

CIA Director Mike Pompeo obliterates Julian Assange and Wikileaks:

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I wonder what changed with Pompeo since last year when he was a Clinton hater and conspiracy theorist. Interesting 180 degree turn.

nytimes.com

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:18:19am

re: #93 ObserverArt

“I don’t see bombing as Presidential. I see restraint and trying not to bomb as Presidential.”

Same for me but unfortunately this is a pro-military, pro-war country. Trump’s popularity has probably shot up because of these (useless) bombings because his supporters can argue that he’s strong and decisive. We’ll be embroiled in another Iraq pretty soon and those of us who oppose future wars will be told that we’re not patriotic and need to shut the hell up and support our troops. Sigh.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:25:17am
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Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:25:52am
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Ming5000  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:28:41am

re: #99 Patricia Kayden

”..pro-military, pro-war country.”

True.
Trump’s moves here have been irrational, pointless, and poorly executed, I am hopeful that even that knee-jerk response will be the subject of personal reflection.

Plus, Trump’s wars are going to hit the poorest Americans the hardest. Much of them are core-Trump.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:30:15am
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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:34:56am

re: #86 Birth Control Works

Texas Votes To Cut Funds From Clean Air Programs & Redirect The Money To Anti-Abortion Initiatives

So there were Democrats on board with this ridiculous proposal?? Well, it’s Texas.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:38:00am
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Ming5000  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:38:00am

Hmm. .. Fox picked up an item..

Susan Sarandon: Angry Hillary Clinton Supporters Forced Me to Change My Phone Number
Fox News - ‎14 hours ago‎

Shouldn’t she be concerned that Republicans are delighted with her swallowing the Bernie troll pill?

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wheat-dogg  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:40:53am

re: #105 Dr. Matt

Why can’t someone get Trump to button his damned jacket?

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Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:41:51am

re: #107 wheat-dogg

Why can’t someone get Trump to button his damned jacket?

Then he wouldn’t be able to show off his red penis replacement (the tie).

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Ming5000  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:41:56am

re: #107 wheat-dogg

Why can’t someone get Trump to button his damned jacket?

I think somebody stepped in on the tie length problem, at least.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:44:12am

Remember that time Obama killed 100 AQ and 80 ISIS while not trying to sell chocolate cake or doing it to intimidate North Korea?

cnn.com

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Targetpractice  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:44:13am

re: #106 Ming5000

Hmm. .. Fox picked up an item..

Try as I might, I can’t bring myself a feel a single shred of sympathy for her. Perhaps it’s because I know she helped fuck this country over a bramble patch in a self-centered temper tantrum and now wants to take absolutely no responsibility for her actions.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:45:37am

re: #110 GlutenFreeJesus

Remember that time Obama killed 100 AQ and 80 ISIS while not trying to sell chocolate cake or doing it to intimidate North Korea?

cnn.com

But he did it while black, so it doesn’t count.

///

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Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:49:14am
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Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:50:15am

re: #107 wheat-dogg

Why can’t someone get Trump to button his damned jacket?

It will only make him look even fatter. It’s pure vanity.

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Ming5000  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:50:55am

re: #111 Targetpractice

Try as I might, I can’t bring myself a feel a single shred of sympathy for her.

Agree. Especially at the 11th hour when Tim Robins made a plea to vote HRC to avoid Trump. They had something, once, didn’t they?
rawastory 03NOV2016

Susan Sarandon is standing strong in her support for Bernie Sanders and refusing to vote for Hillary Clinton, but in a recent Huffington Post op-ed, ex-husband Tim Robbins begs Bernie supporters to think again.

For those waging a protest vote for a third party, Robbins has this to say: “Jill Stein is no Ralph Nader, and Gary Johnson is no Teddy Roosevelt ― and neither of them has shown us any examples of their past advocacy leading to any significant change.”

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Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:53:31am

re: #115 Ming5000

Agree. Especially at the 11th hour when Tim Robins made a plea to vote HRC to avoid Trump. They had something, once, didn’t they?

Just two kids together.

///

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wheat-dogg  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:57:02am

re: #114 Dr. Matt

It will only make him look even fatter. It’s pure vanity.

His jacket is already one size too large. I think he’s just a schlub who never learned the finer points of men’s business attire.

Too cheap to get his suits tailored. Even Orson Welles looked good in a suit.

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makeitstop  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:57:25am

re: #113 Dr. Matt

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36 fighters?

I heard on the radio last night that there was an estimate that some 800 fighters used the tunnel system.

Pretty terrible ROI. Typical Trump.

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lawhawk  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:58:28am

re: #31 Anymouse

There’s a lot of anger out there at GOPers. Upstate NYers are pissed at new Rep. John Faso because he held an invite-only town hall meeting, which was his way of avoiding tough questions and angry crowds.

The crowds showed up outside the location anyways.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:58:55am

re: #118 makeitstop

36 fighters?

I heard on the radio last night that there was an estimate that some 800 fighters used the tunnel system.

Pretty terrible ROI. Typical Trump.

It was nothing than a PR stunt and petty attempt to distract his ties to Russia and countless scandals.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:58:59am

re: #118 makeitstop

He probably gave them a heads up too.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 5:59:48am

re: #119 lawhawk

There’s a lot of anger out there at GOPers. Upstate NYers are pissed at new Rep. John Faso because he held an invite-only town hall meeting, which was his way of avoiding tough questions and angry crowds.

The crowds showed up outside the location anyways.

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And they mock college students for safe places.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2017 • 6:00:32am

re: #120 Dr. Matt

It was nothing than a PR stunt and pettty attempt to distract his ties to Russia and countless scandals.

I’m old enough to remember when the GOP trashed Obama for a year because he “gloated” about killing Osama bin Laden.

Trump drops an overpriced bomb to kill a couple dozen grunts, gloats about it, and we’re supposed to celebrate him as being much presidential.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 14, 2017 • 6:01:41am

Hello all.
Chris, Aminahs son wrote me an email. I will call him later for those further details and family wishes.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2017 • 6:02:53am

re: #123 Timothy Watson

Trump drops an overpriced bomb to kill a couple dozen grunts, gloats about it, and we’re supposed to celebrate him as being much presidential.

You must be watching MSNBC because they have been orgasmic all morning over Trump’s presidential pivot.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2017 • 6:04:09am

re: #125 Dr. Matt

You must be watching MSNBC because they have been orgasmic all morning over Trump’s presidential pivot.

Heh, I usually don’t watch national news. Raises my blood pressure too much. :)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 6:05:15am

re: #123 Timothy Watson

I’m old enough to remember when the GOP trashed Obama for a year because he “gloated” about killing Osama bin Laden.

Trump drops an overpriced bomb to kill a couple dozen grunts, gloats about it, and we’re supposed to celebrate him as being much presidential.

SPIKING THE FOOTBALL.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2017 • 6:07:19am
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wheat-dogg  Apr 14, 2017 • 6:07:33am

The only Chinese carrier which flies to North Korea has suspended service to Pyongyang.

Air China, the only Chinese carrier with regular services to North Korea, will suspend flights between Beijing and Pyongyang from Monday, China Central Television reported on Friday.

No reason was given for the suspension but flights between the two countries have been put on hold in the past due to lack of passengers.

The announcement came hours after Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said that a conflict over North Korea could break out “at any moment”.

“Lately, tensions have risen … and one has the feeling that a conflict could break out at any moment,” Wang said. “If a war occurs, the result is a situation in which everybody loses and there can be no winner.”

scmp.com

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lawhawk  Apr 14, 2017 • 6:09:49am

re: #118 makeitstop

36 fighters?

I heard on the radio last night that there was an estimate that some 800 fighters used the tunnel system.

Pretty terrible ROI. Typical Trump.

This goes back to what I was saying/tweeting yesterday. All the people who were cheering that Trump dropped this particular weapon did so without knowing who were the targets, why this weapon was chosen, and what the expected outcome was, to say nothing of what the outcome actually was. Using explosives against tunnel complexes are tricky business, and the US has always had problems dealing with them - they had problems going back to Vietnam, and underground bunkers are a continuing issue for all armies around the world - notoriously difficult to attack, which is why there’s so much spending on specialized weapons designed to bust bunkers.

If you targeted 800 IS fighters, and got only 36, that leans heavily towards a significant failure (unless those 36 turn out to be all leaders). And I’m guessing that the military itself will see it as a failure - though the right wingers will latch on to the 36 killed as proof that it worked.

Trump’s itching to bring back body counts and touting ordnance totals, as opposed to actual results on the ground.

Syria’s air base is back up and running (a MOAB dropped on that base would have wrecked it and disrupted its operation for more than a few hours than the Tomahawk mission).

The MOAB strike didn’t do nearly as much as its proponents thought it would.

Trump’s threats are turning out to be all bark and no bite, and every one of our enemies and rivals are realizing this, and from a MOAB there’s really no where else he can go without nuking someone.

Assad’s continuing to slaughter civilians in Syria (chemical weapons or not, he’s already killed more than 400,000 - only a few hundred were victims of chemical weapons of some form). IS continues slaughtering people all over the place. Nursa is also killing people.

North Korea’s going to do what it’s going to do regardless of what Trump threatens - because North Korea has nothing to lose, and if Trump preemptively strikes the North to disrupt a nuclear test, he’d restart the Korean War in a heartbeat.

There are ways of containment that don’t involve blowing up the world to save it.

Putin’s laughing all the way to the bank with this one.

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jeffreyw  Apr 14, 2017 • 6:14:41am

Imgur
Morning, all.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 14, 2017 • 6:19:37am

re: #106 Ming5000

Hmm. .. Fox picked up an item..

Awwww. That’s too bad. I wonder what Suzy Smartass will do when people who lose their health insurance send their bills to her with a note asking her to pay them!

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Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2017 • 6:23:47am

Remember the good ol’ days when we were supposed to feel sorry for the poor souls at Uber because they were being “stifled by regulation”?

A new report says Uber used a secret program dubbed “Hell’ to track Lyft drivers to see if they were driving for both ride-hailing services and otherwise stifle competition.

It’s the latest in a series of troubles for Uber, which is also dealing with executive departures and accusations of sexism and sexual harassment.

Only a small group of Uber employees, including CEO Travis Kalanick, knew about the program, according to a story in The Information, which was based on an anonymous source who was not authorized to speak publicly.

richmond.com

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Joe Bacon  Apr 14, 2017 • 6:27:35am

Netfliix just posted the new episodes of MST3K. I’m off to watch & have some badly-needed laughs!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 6:28:49am

re: #133 Timothy Watson

Remember the good ol’ days when we were supposed to feel sorry for the poor souls at Uber because they were being “stifled by regulation”?

richmond.com

Jesus.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 14, 2017 • 6:36:31am

Because nothing says “reflecting on the exodus from Egypt” like this.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 14, 2017 • 6:43:44am

Her account had expired but RDT now Reine re-registered to leave a kind note.
littlegreenfootballs.com

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makeitstop  Apr 14, 2017 • 6:47:09am

re: #137 Unshaken Defiance

Her account had expired but RDT now Reine re-registered to leave a kind note.
littlegreenfootballs.com

Very kind of her.

That was the type of reaction CL inspired.

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Jay C  Apr 14, 2017 • 6:52:52am

re: #136 GlutenFreeJesus

Just so typical of the Trumps (any Trumps - pick’em) - the message itself is fairly inoffensive, but they just have to make it all about themselves with that inane holiday-card family pic. WTF does this have to do with Passover?
Oy!

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b_sharp  Apr 14, 2017 • 7:08:32am

Having a little trouble fighting through the tears.

Every once in a while you run across someone on the web who you know without a doubt would be one of your best friends in real life. That was Aminah. I never met her in the flesh but I did meet her in spirit in LFG comments, tweets, DM and emails.

She had a helluva sharp mind and caring soul and we were buds.

Back to crying.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2017 • 7:08:44am

I think some people may be missing the forest for the trees:
Phrase ‘mother of all bombs’ decried as ‘sexist,’ ‘grotesque’

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I cannot.  Apr 14, 2017 • 7:10:46am

re: #141 Timothy Watson

They’re missing the forest for one leaf…which would be OK if they could take closeup pictures like CL could.

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ObserverArt  Apr 14, 2017 • 7:13:09am

re: #119 lawhawk

There’s a lot of anger out there at GOPers. Upstate NYers are pissed at new Rep. John Faso because he held an invite-only town hall meeting, which was his way of avoiding tough questions and angry crowds.

The crowds showed up outside the location anyways.

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Speaking of town hall meetings. Arizona Senator Jeff Flake had a rather testy one last night.

Here is an Arizona TV station’s report. The full town hall is also at YouTube and it is 2 hours long.

Of course the one Trump supporter has to go with the “losers are angry” meme. I wonder if he went around and asked all those people if they voted for Trump. He may be surprised…just like a lot of these Republican Congresspersons are getting surprised.

Senator Flake met by jeering crowd at Mesa town hall meeting

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jeffreyw  Apr 14, 2017 • 7:15:31am
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 14, 2017 • 7:15:46am

Saddening to hear that C_L, Aminah, has passed away. May Allah grant her rest in Paradise.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Apr 14, 2017 • 7:18:37am

It’s not often that I am saddened by hearing of the passing of someone whom I’ve never interacted with in real life.

CL, your insightful posts on a variety of topics will be missed, as will your wit and grace.

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b_sharp  Apr 14, 2017 • 7:20:56am

Even though C_L was religious and took some overly zealous atheists to task, she supported my kicking creationist’s asses. She really could think.

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Weaselone  Apr 14, 2017 • 7:32:36am

re: #125 Dr. Matt

You must be watching MSNBC because they have been orgasmic all morning over Trump’s presidential pivot.

Our media is nuts. Sometimes I thinks that if some crazy guy off the street chopped off a President’s head with a sword and proclaimed himself President, the media would just both sides it until proclaiming him the real President after he dropped the requisite amount of ordinance somewhere in the Middle East.

Media Hack: Good morning. The country is still whirling over the sudden ascension of President McCrazy following the death of his predecessor under unusual circumstances. Some are even suggesting that President McCrazy should step down from office. Opinions differ and emotions are high on both sides. Joining me in the studio today to discuss this issue are the Vice President of the United States and President McCrazy’s spokesperson Kelly Ann Conway.

Mr. Vice President, you believe that due to the unusual manner he entered office, that President McCrazy should step down.

Vice President: No. I believe that Mr. McCrazy should be in jail pending his murder trial for chopping off the President’s head and that I should be sworn in as President in accordance with US law.

Kelly Ann Conway: Do you see the disrespect here? President McCrazy is the President of the United States and should be addressed as such. The Vice President has been critical of this President and trying to force him out ever since he took office. This level of vitriol on the part of the President’s opponents and the Vice President is truly unprecedented.

Media Hack: So you don’t believe that US law says the Vice President assumes the Presidency upon the death of the President.

Kelly Ann Conway: Of course I do and in the tragic event that President McCrazy dies, the Vice President would become President, but we have a President, President McCrazy. President McCrazy is our President.

Vice President: The rightfully elected President did die. Mr McCrazy killed him. That’s why I should assume the Presidency.

Kelly Ann Conway: I think we’re all forgetting the most important thing here. The sword. The previous President’s head was cut off by a sword. That’s why President McCrazy is the rightful President.

Media Hack: Yes. The Sword. Mr. Vice President, what do you have to say about the sword?

Vice President: What does the sword have to do with…

Media Hack: This just in. President McCrazy has carpet bombed a remote section of the Iraqi desert. More than a dozen B-52s took part and hundreds of thousands of pounds of ordiance were dropped. We have footage. Look at those massively beautiful explosions. I may need a new pair of pants.

Mr. Vice President, I think we can agree that regardless of the circumstances of his election, that President McCrazy became President of the entire country today.

Vice President: Are you brain damaged?

Media Hack: Look at that awesome devastation. It’s huge. That’s all we have time for today. I need to go smoke a cigarette. I’d like to thank the Vice President and Kelly Ann Conway for joining me. God bless the USA and God bless President McCrazy.

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nines09  Apr 14, 2017 • 7:38:58am

I’m not here as often as I had been in the past and am now just finding out we have lost a dear friend. I never met Curious Lurker in person, but considered her a companion in this world. I am saddened. If there is a heaven or a paradise, may your table be full, Aminah.

To all, peace. Love one another, in the end it’s all we have.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 14, 2017 • 7:40:50am

re: #139 Jay C

Just so typical of the Trumps (any Trumps - pick’em) - the message itself is fairly inoffensive, but they just have to make it all about themselves with that inane holiday-card family pic. WTF does this have to do with Passover?
Oy!

They are posing SITTING ON A HALLWAY TABLE for a photo op. Jews do not send cards at Passover. This would be a stupid pose even if it was on a Christmas card.

They can all sit on a flimsy hallway table because they are all so thin they weigh hardly anything!

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b_sharp  Apr 14, 2017 • 7:41:09am

re: #149 Weaselone

Brilliant.

Go tweet it.

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lawhawk  Apr 14, 2017 • 7:42:10am

Oh look, we’ve got drone footage from when the US dropped the MOAB in Afghanistan (gotta be careful not to write Utah after Moab).

All the right wingers are orgasmic over the use of firepower, ignoring that the use of the weapon may not have gotten the results intended.

If your intended target is 800 IS fighters, and you hit 36, that’s less than 5%.

In fact, that’d be a failing rate, which should make military commanders consider whether there were more practical weapons or methods of dealing with the threat at this time.

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b_sharp  Apr 14, 2017 • 7:45:05am

re: #153 lawhawk

Don’t encourage them, they’re likely to use nukes so they can get them all in one blow.

All it takes is one idiot in the White House and they’ll all act like morons.

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KerFuFFler  Apr 14, 2017 • 7:45:13am
….but think of President Trump as the Martin Luther King of health care,” Lord argued. “When I was a kid, President Kennedy didn’t want to introduce the civil rights bill because he said it wasn’t popular, he didn’t have the votes for it, etc. Dr. King kept putting people in the streets in harm’s way to put the pressure on so that the bill would be introduced.”

Lord is not predicting that “random overprivileged white guys in MAGA hats will engage in civil disobedience” to fight healthcare. Rather, Lord suggests that Trump is a great leader who pushes for reform at the risk of getting people hurt like MLK did.

The difference is that MLK inspired people to volunteer to march even at great personal risk. Trump is threatening to hurt people who have not volunteered by messing up their health coverage. Like United Airlines, Trump is volunteering unwilling victims. That is not how any of this works. The verb volunteer is not transitive. You cannot volunteer others.

We cannot let ourselves be tricked by this verbal slight of hand. MLK’s volunteers and Trump’s victims are not analogous just because in both cases people get hurt.

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Teukka  Apr 14, 2017 • 7:47:27am

re: #153 lawhawk

Oh look, we’ve got drone footage from when the US dropped the MOAB in Afghanistan (gotta be careful not to write Utah after Moab).

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All the right wingers are orgasmic over the use of firepower, ignoring that the use of the weapon may not have gotten the results intended.

If your intended target is 800 IS fighters, and you hit 36, that’s less than 5%.

In fact, that’d be a failing rate, which should make military commanders consider whether there were more practical weapons or methods of dealing with the threat at this time.

A cost of $7.82mn per head. Expensive.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 14, 2017 • 7:50:26am

re: #49 Shiplord Kirel

Eighty years later this is still good advice.

“A good rule for rocket experiments to follow is this: always assume that it will explode.”
-Astronautics Magazine 1937

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KerFuFFler  Apr 14, 2017 • 7:52:38am

re: #153 lawhawk

Oh look, we’ve got drone footage from when the US dropped the MOAB in Afghanistan (gotta be careful not to write Utah after Moab).

[Embedded content]

All the right wingers are orgasmic over the use of firepower, ignoring that the use of the weapon may not have gotten the results intended.

If your intended target is 800 IS fighters, and you hit 36, that’s less than 5%.

In fact, that’d be a failing rate, which should make military commanders consider whether there were more practical weapons or methods of dealing with the threat at this time.

How can they expect any kind of accuracy in the body count (especially so soon) when such a bomb would have completely obliterated any corpses for a rather large radius? Sure we might only find a few corpses in the tunnels but there could still be a lot of dead people that will never be findable.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2017 • 7:56:45am

I was reading up on the Battle of Tora Bora in light of the usage of the MOAB. I found this interesting:

Tora Bora was variously described by the western media to be an impregnable cave fortress housing 2000 men complete with a hospital, a hydroelectric power plant, offices, a hotel, arms and ammunition stores, roads large enough to drive a tank into, and elaborate tunnel and ventilation systems.[30] Both the British and American press published elaborate plans of the base. When presented with such plans in an NBC interview on Meet the Press, Donald Rumsfeld, the US Secretary of Defense, said, “This is serious business, there’s not one of those, there are many of those”.[31][32][33]

When Tora Bora was eventually captured by the U.S., British and Afghan troops, no traces of the supposed ‘fortress’ were found despite painstaking searches in the surrounding areas. Tora Bora turned out to be a system of small natural caves housing at most, 200 fighters. While arms and ammunition stores were found, there were no traces of the advanced facilities claimed to exist.[33][34]

In an interview published by the Public Broadcasting Service, a Staff Sergeant from the U.S. Special Forces Operational Detachment Alpha (ODA) 572, who had been in the Battle of Tora Bora described the caves:

“Again, with the caves, they weren’t these crazy mazes or labyrinths of caves that they described. Most of them were natural caves. Some were supported with some pieces of wood maybe about the size of a 10-foot by 24-foot room, at the largest. They weren’t real big. I know they made a spectacle out of that, and how are we going to be able to get into them? We worried about that too, because we see all these reports. Then it turns out, when you actually go up there, there’s really just small bunkers, and a lot of different ammo storage is up there. - Jeff, Staff Sgt. ODA 572[35]

en.wikipedia.org

Tora Bora might be best remembered by the videos of B-52s bombing mountain ranges.

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ObserverArt  Apr 14, 2017 • 7:59:41am

re: #158 KerFuFFler

How can they expect any kind of accuracy in the body count (especially so soon) when such a bomb would have completely obliterated any corpses for a rather large radius? Sure we might only find a few corpses in the tunnels but there could still be a lot of dead people that will never be findable.

Well, if this is all a bizarre form of “entertainment” for Trump to tickle the fancy of his followers and the media, etc., then I would expect them to use entertainment promoter forms of counting attendance figures as a substitute for casualties in this MOAB bombing.

This was a full house…a sell out…no tickets left…standing room only. Everyone enjoyed the show, the crowd and the promoter are happy.

In other words…the actual figures are never released. The promoter though wants you to know you missed out on a big one so the next time the show is in town you will be sure not to miss it. Heck, everyone else but you was there!

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 14, 2017 • 8:01:11am

re: #90 Birth Control Works

Perhaps he ought to remember what happened to the people living in Versailles at the end of the 18th Century.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 8:06:03am

What kind of pathetic asshole is Lord? Really likening Trump to MLK? Pretty rich shit considering he made his bones working for Reagan too.

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calochortus  Apr 14, 2017 • 8:06:18am

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was written by a slave trader who saw the light and turn his shipload of human cargo back around to Africa.

Actually, no.
Newton did quit captaining ships (slave or otherwise) after a nasty storm, but he continued to invest in the trade for several years, and it was some years later that he became active in the abolition movement.
Which doesn’t mean it isn’t a fine hymn-and once he became an abolitionist he was a strong and influential voice.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 8:08:35am

re: #163 calochortus

Actually, no.
Newton did quit captaining ships (slave or otherwise) after a nasty storm, but he continued to invest in the trade for several years, and it was some years later that he became active in the abolition movement.
Which doesn’t mean it isn’t a fine hymn-and once he became an abolitionist he was a strong and influential voice.

I remember that my Nana had the Bill Moyers PBS documentary on it. It’s been years since I watched it.

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calochortus  Apr 14, 2017 • 8:14:09am

re: #164 HappyWarrior

I remember that my Nana had the Bill Moyers PBS documentary on it. It’s been years since I watched it.

I haven’t seen the Moyers documentary, but if you are interested in the British abolition movement, I can highly recommend Hochschild’s Bury the Chains . I know I’ve mentioned it before, but I found it both informative and deeply moving.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 14, 2017 • 8:17:17am

Definitely click & select your options

istrumpatmaralago.org

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 8:20:38am

re: #165 calochortus

I haven’t seen the Moyers documentary, but if you are interested in the British abolition movement, I can highly recommend Hochschild’s Bury the Chains . I know I’ve mentioned it before, but I found it both informative and deeply moving.

Thanks. I’ll add that to my list.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 8:21:20am

re: #166 Stanley Sea

Definitely click & select your options

istrumpatmaralago.org

Right on.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 8:34:07am

So is this thread dead?

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Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2017 • 8:34:52am

re: #169 HappyWarrior

So is this thread dead?

*pokes it*

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 8:35:17am

re: #170 Timothy Watson

*pokes it*

Traaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain.

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Jay C  Apr 14, 2017 • 8:35:51am

re: #169 HappyWarrior

So is this thread dead?

*taps mic*. Is this thing on??

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Stanley Sea  Apr 14, 2017 • 8:36:08am

Apparently it’s a day off for some.

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calochortus  Apr 14, 2017 • 8:36:55am

re: #173 Stanley Sea

So, people only post here on their employer’s time? Interesting. :)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 8:37:48am

re: #173 Stanley Sea

Apparently it’s a day off for some.

This actually is my day off. Waiting for the numbness to go down from my filling and get some lunch soon.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 8:40:00am

The Gloaming - Casadh an tSúgáin
When my cousin passed away suddenly last year, our other cousin posted this Irish song. I know CL wasn’t Irish or a Gaelic speaker but it’s a beautiful song. This really is a wonderful community here. Thank you Charles and everyone.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2017 • 8:40:52am

“Moderate” Republicans at work:

Gillespie used the immigration question to draw a contrast with Northam and Perriello.

“The fact is, Ralph Northam and Tom Perriello, running on the Democrat side, support the establishment of sanctuary cities in the commonwealth of Virginia,” Gillespie said, adding that the Democrats also favor driver’s licenses for undocumented immigrants and discounted, in-state tuition for immigrants’ children.

richmond.com

“Sanctuary cities” are cities that don’t do the federal government’s work for free. Prince William County racked up millions of dollars in unreimbursed overtime for its jail because of Corey Stewart’s bullshit.

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b_sharp  Apr 14, 2017 • 8:42:33am

Where’s the alcohol and donuts. (Doughnuts for Canadians)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 8:43:32am

re: #177 Timothy Watson

“Moderate” Republicans at work:

richmond.com

“Sanctuary cities” are cities that don’t do the federal government’s work for free. Prince William County racked up millions of dollars in overtime for its jail because of Corey Stewart’s bullshit.

Man Gillespie is such a pathetic tool. He worked for by far the most pro immigration Republican in recent memory and now he’s trying to sound like Stewart so he can get the nomination.

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darthstar  Apr 14, 2017 • 8:43:36am

Happy Crucifixion Day everyone. I get the day off - whoo-hoo! (so I’m verifying 1.6 million logins for the boss after a major system overhaul)

On this holiest of days please say a prayer for white people…

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b.d.  Apr 14, 2017 • 8:52:57am

re: #169 HappyWarrior

So is this thread dead?

Give it 3 days….

//dad easter joke…

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Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2017 • 8:53:06am

WTF is this shit?

Kirsten Hunter said her 3-year-old son, Aksel, was forcefully catheterized at the Avera hospital in Pierre in late February after her boyfriend failed a urine analysis. Authorities wanted to have her and her two children tested to see if they also had drugs in their system.

Pierre police officers and a Department of Social Services employee showed up at her home and said if her kids couldn’t produce urine, they would be taken from her. Hunter said her son isn’t potty-trained. So while she and her 5-year-old daughter were able to provide a urine sample, her young son couldn’t.

He was held down and forcibly catheterized by nurses.

Via wonkette.com

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William Lewis  Apr 14, 2017 • 8:53:10am

Well. I am sitting vigil at the church and will do the stations of the cross at 11 & then the Good Friday liturgy including the veneration of the cross. I know that may well be in another language for many of you but I find more in Jesus’ teachings than the fundamentalists would say and I try in my way to live up to that. These hours, this year, are for CL. She was truly God’s servant in a way that many are called to be but few can achieve. Rest now, our friend, and let us carry you and your work forward in our hearts.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 14, 2017 • 8:59:59am

re: #159 Timothy Watson

I remember the cartoon drawing Rumsfeld showed.

Of course, it was all bullshit, as is the case of this new “complex” that was just MOAB’d.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:00:23am

re: #184 GlutenFreeJesus

Oops. Here.

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mmmirele  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:02:01am

It took me a while to find this, but it’s the criminal complaint against Jumana Nagarwala, who is accused of performing female genital mutilation on young girls in Michigan. What stood out for me is how on page 8-9, victim 2 (aged 7) said she’d left one of her winter gloves in the office where the genital mutilation was performed on February 4. The affidavit goes on to state that a search warrant was executed on April 10 and the glove was found—it had the girl’s name on it. I wonder if the girl hid the glove or if the place is so poorly kept up that a glove could remain there for two months. 0_o

justice.gov

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makeitstop  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:04:02am

re: #173 Stanley Sea

Apparently it’s a day off for some.

My wife is working from home today. She’s knocking off in an hour and we’re heading into NYC for the Car Show!

Something’s up with their site, though. Although the show opens today, their countdown tells me we still have 9 days to wait.

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calochortus  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:04:35am

re: #183 William Lewis

As most of you know, I’m an atheist, born and bred, but for those like you William-and CL as well-who find religion enriches their lives and helps them in their quest to be better people, I’m all for it. We each find our own way and I wish all Christians here a good weekend.

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Scottish Dragon  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:04:51am

Flowers of the Forest on pipes.

This is for you, CL. I miss you.

Youtube Video

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I cannot.  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:05:30am

re: #185 GlutenFreeJesus

Holy shit…that’s the sort of thing that NORAD would have, or Dr. No…good god, we actually FELL for that? (we, in this case also includes me, partially, goddamnit)

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A Cranky One  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:06:45am

Remember when Aminah/CL posted a link to some scary mannequin heads on Amazon? Many of us got ads for those heads for quite a while after; made surfing the web an interesting experience.

Now memories of Aminah keep popping into my head like those mannequins ads, coming when I least expect it.

Damn, it hurts.

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I cannot.  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:10:38am

re: #191 A Cranky One

I hadn’t thought of THOSE in a long time. Thanks a bunch.

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calochortus  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:10:47am

I must need moar coffee this morning. I was making the bed and as I straightened the sheet and blankets a little reflected spot of light jumped around on them. For a moment I was like the cat chasing a laser pointer dot. What was that?!!
Alert? No, I’m not.

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Belafon  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:11:02am

re: #180 darthstar

Happy Crucifixion Day everyone. I get the day off - whoo-hoo! (so I’m verifying 1.6 million logins for the boss after a major system overhaul)

On this holiest of days please say a prayer for white people…

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I hate that we’re having to deal with this shit, bit we will have to deal with it.

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darthstar  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:13:19am

re: #181 b.d.

Give it 3 days….

//dad easter joke…

Thread winner.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:15:12am

“Cry havoc and let slip the chocolate rabbits of war”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:18:44am

re: #196 Barefoot Grin

Don’t you mean the Creme eggs of war?

//

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:19:09am

re: #196 Barefoot Grin

“Cry havoc and let slip the chocolate rabbits of war”

OK. Here’s one.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:19:15am

re: #196 Barefoot Grin

“Cry havoc and let slip the chocolate rabbits of war”

When it comes to President Pee Pee, he’ll unleash the WHITE chocolate rabbits of war!

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calochortus  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:21:08am

re: #199 Joe Bacon

When it comes to President Pee Pee, he’ll unleash the WHITE chocolate rabbits of war!

White chocolate is a lie. Of course that still works with your statement.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:21:15am
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lawhawk  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:22:21am

re: #197 Eclectic Cyborg

Not a peep….

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:22:32am

Just caught up on the posts I’ve missed and saw what happened. I’m kinda numb. Even though I’ve never met any of the people here I feel like I’ve grown to know a lot of you so seeing what happened with CL (who I always enjoyed tweeting with and reading here) I feel like I lost a friend. May she rest in peace. Now I need to go outside and clear my eyes or people at work will wonder what happened.

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BeachDem  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:24:20am

re: #155 KerFuFFler

Lord is not predicting that “random overprivileged white guys in MAGA hats will engage in civil disobedience” to fight healthcare. Rather, Lord suggests that Trump is a great leader who pushes for reform at the risk of getting people hurt like MLK did.

The difference is that MLK inspired people to volunteer to march even at great personal risk. Trump is threatening to hurt people who have not volunteered by messing up their health coverage. Like United Airlines, Trump is volunteering unwilling victims. That is not how any of this works. The verb volunteer is not transitive. You cannot volunteer others.

We cannot let ourselves be tricked by this verbal slight of hand. MLK’s volunteers and Trump’s victims are not analogous just because in both cases people get hurt.

In simpler terms—Lord is a moron. Why CNN thinks his is a voice that deserves to be heard is beyond my comprehension. But the facial expressions Bakari was projecting during Lord’s idiotic rant were priceless.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:27:30am

m.huffpost.com

Good news from suburban/rural redder-than-red IL.

WASHINGTON ― In a spate of local elections last week in Illinois, Democrats picked up seats in places they’ve never won before.

The city of Kankakee elected its first African-American, Democratic mayor. West Deerfield Township will be led entirely by Democrats for the first time. Elgin Township voted for “a complete changeover,” flipping to an all-Democratic board. Normal Township elected Democratic supervisors and trustees to run its board ― the first time in more than 100 years that a single Democrat has held a seat.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:28:53am

I’ll be lurking again until this trip is done. Next Friday, probably. mr. klys starts a new job next Monday. I release my book next Tuesday.

But today I am going to go find something beautiful in memory of CL.

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calochortus  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:30:49am

re: #206 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’ll be lurking again until this trip is done. Next Friday, probably. mr. klys starts a new job next Monday. I release my book next Tuesday.

But today I am going to go find something beautiful in memory of CL.

Mr. Klys has a new job? How did I miss that? I hope he enjoys it-and major congrats on your book launch.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:32:55am

re: #207 calochortus

Mr. Klys has a new job? How did I miss that? I hope he enjoys it-and major congrats on your book launch.

He got it after I went on break. We’re in the transition period right now, between jobs, which is why we can do the road trip.

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ObserverArt  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:35:48am

re: #180 darthstar

Happy Crucifixion Day everyone. I get the day off - whoo-hoo! (so I’m verifying 1.6 million logins for the boss after a major system overhaul)

On this holiest of days please say a prayer for white people…

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I’m not in the mood for this bullshit.

Does this idiot not understand the section “reserved” for minority students to get extra assistance was most likely set up because the White students probably historcally refused to help the minority students with their class problems?

I get the feeling she could have easily gotten regular tutoring, or asked other classmates for help. She probably knew that, but went and tried it knowing she would be refused so she could cry about it.

So she claims she was discriminated against for being White.

Grrrrrr. White people created the problems, governments and schools tried to help the minority students and a White student complains they can’t be a part of group that wouldn’t have been needed if there would never been historic discrimination.

I bet she did nothing to make sure there was no need for a special group and worked hard to make sure all those minority students were accepted by all the White students.

She fits in with DeVos and her stupid remarks about Black colleges being exclusive. It probably got her the position as DOE Civil Rights head.

I bet she has a Black friend too. No problem, all race problems are fixed.

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Scottish Dragon  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:39:10am

I took a break from the news for awhile for own health. I started getting hypertension. I can’t afford daily stress like this.

So I look in today and the front page of the Daily Beast is weighing limited strikes on North Korea that would destroy his nuke program but not go so far as to produce a situation where “Kim’s paranoia might spill out of control.”

This is fucking insanity. North Korea has 10,000 artillery pieces on the border, and Seoul is only 35 miles from the bulk of them. They can rain down thousands of artillery shells per hour on a city with 12,000,000 people.

That doesn’t even count the nuke missile strikes they have promised on Japan.

Not to mention the sarin and tabun nerve agent shells…

Trump is a bully who cannot back down and Kim is a paranoid sociopath who would be killed in a putsch if he backed down.

I’m frightened. I haven’t been this afraid of a war in Korea since 1993. We are one paranoid miscalculation from the bloodiest day in human history.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:39:38am

re: #209 ObserverArt

She fits in with DeVos and her stupid remarks about Black colleges being exclusive. It probably got her the position as DOE Civil Rights head.

She got the job because she’s an anti-Clinton whackjob that set up the the “Bill’s mistresses” event during the campaign.

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LastYearsMan  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:40:21am

I know there’s not a lot of love around here for Andrew Sullivan, but at his best, I quite like him. His latest column, though, is not his best. Bashing Hillary some more (with zero distinction between her shortcomings as a campaigner and her overwhelming excellence as an actual leader and thinker). Then an incredibly shallow and Bill O’Reilly-esque meditation on race, about the United fiasco and why race couldn’t possibly have been a factor. Just painful.

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LastYearsMan  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:43:20am

re: #210 Scottish Dragon

This is fucking insanity. North Korea has 10,000 artillery pieces on the border, and Seoul is only 35 miles from the bulk of them. They can rain down thousands of artillery shells per hour on a city with 12,000,000 people.

I live in that city, so imagine how I feel. Effing around with Syria is one thing, but Trump’s idiocy could really go off the rails in East Asia. Once those dominoes start falling, there’s no way that moron could keep up with the chaos that would be unleashed.

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Scottish Dragon  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:44:10am

re: #212 LastYearsMan

I know there’s not a lot of love around here for Andrew Sullivan, but at his best, I quite like him. His latest column, though, is not his best. Bashing Hillary some more (with zero distinction between her shortcomings as a campaigner and her overwhelming excellence as an actual leader and thinker). Then an incredibly shallow and Bill O’Reilly-esque meditation on race, about the United fiasco and why race couldn’t possibly have been a factor. Just painful.

Sullivan was really, really bad.

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Scottish Dragon  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:44:55am

re: #213 LastYearsMan

I live in that city, so imagine how I feel. Effing around with Syria is one thing, but Trump’s idiocy could really go off the rails in East Asia. Once those dominoes start falling, there’s no way that moron could keep up with the chaos that would be unleashed.

I lived in Tongducheon for a year.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:46:10am

In spite of all the bad news, there’s always the future. For me at least, I’m looking forward to this.

It Teaser Trailer #1 (2017) | Movieclips Trailers

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BeachDem  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:46:40am

re: #209 ObserverArt

I’m not in the mood for this bullshit.

Does this idiot not understand the section “reserved” for minority students to get extra assistance was most likely set up because the White students probably historcally refused to help the minority students with their class problems?

I get the feeling she could have easily gotten regular tutoring, or asked other classmates for help. She probably knew that, but went and tried it knowing she would be refused so she could cry about it.

So she claims she was discriminated against for being White.

Grrrrrr. White people created the problems, governments and schools tried to help the minority students and a White student complains they can’t be a part of group that wouldn’t have been needed if there would never been historic discrimination.

I bet she did nothing to make sure there was no need for a special group and worked hard to make sure all those minority students were accepted by all the White students.

She fits in with DeVos and her stupid remarks about Black colleges being exclusive. It probably got her the position as DOE Civil Rights head.

I bet she has a Black friend too. No problem, all race problems are fixed.

She’s very selective in her views of who needs protection and who doesn’t:

…she arranged for several of Bill Clinton’s accusers to attend a presidential debate between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. Jackson sat with the women in the front of the audience. A few days before the debate, Jackson established Their Lives Foundation. In registration documents, she described two of its purposes as “giving public voice to victims of women who abuse positions of power” and “advocating for and against candidates for political office.”

Less than a week after the debate, Jackson posted on Facebook that her foundation “supports all victims of power abusers,” but labeled Trump’s accusers “fake victims.”

Yeah, what a great choice to head the civil rights office. Spit.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:47:32am

First teaser trailer for latest Star Wars movie has been released.

Star Wars: The Last Jedi Official Teaser

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jeffreyw  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:48:00am
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calochortus  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:49:13am

BBL Must go to grocery store and whatnot.

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BeachDem  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:49:21am

re: #219 jeffreyw

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ObserverArt  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:51:49am

re: #212 LastYearsMan

I know there’s not a lot of love around here for Andrew Sullivan, but at his best, I quite like him. His latest column, though, is not his best. Bashing Hillary some more (with zero distinction between her shortcomings as a campaigner and her overwhelming excellence as an actual leader and thinker). Then an incredibly shallow and Bill O’Reilly-esque meditation on race, about the United fiasco and why race couldn’t possibly have been a factor. Just painful.

Good old Andrew is still packing Clinton’s baggage.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:52:43am

re: #218 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

First teaser trailer for latest Star Wars movie has been released.

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New poster too. This looks DAMN cool to me.

So simple, yet so effective
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PhillyPretzel  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:53:02am

re: #221 BeachDem

Hmm. True. But some misguided soul might take it the wrong way. Being Jewish I think it is cute.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 14, 2017 • 9:56:04am

My granddaughter has been baking up a storm, I see she has inherited my wild skills. I’ll post some pictures of her cake & cookies when they come out of the oven.

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Amory Blaine  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:01:44am

They caught the nutjob from Janesville (no not Paul Ryan).

Manhunt suspect Joseph Jakubowski nabbed in western Wisconsin

…A nationwide search was launched last week for Jakubowski, 32, who is suspected of stealing firearms from a Janesville gun shop, including an automatic weapon, and threatening to use them on public officials or a school.

The FBI offered a $20,000 reward for information leading to Jakubowski’s location.

Investigators have said Jakubowski mailed a 161-page manifesto to President Donald Trump that contains extensive, rambling screeds against the government and religion. While there are no specific targets listed, he does suggest he’s willing to carry out violent acts. Officials have said Jakubowski doesn’t affiliate himself with any particular political party in the manifesto.

An unnamed associate recorded Jakubowski mailing the manifesto on the afternoon of April 4. A few hours later, Jakubowski broke into a Janesville weapons store, stole 18 guns, then set his car on fire, authorities have said.

Link to part of manifesto.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:10:35am

The sad part is that CL will never see America return to sanity.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:12:20am
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I cannot.  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:12:33am

re: #226 Amory Blaine

Jeez…if you’re going to do a manifesto, at least type it up with a reasonable font and spacing.

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retired cynic  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:12:50am

Another busy night at all the British henge sites as staff work all night to move the stones forward by an hour.

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Amory Blaine  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:13:06am

re: #227 Decatur Deb

The sad part is that CL will never see America return to sanity.

Neither will we.

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retired cynic  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:14:04am

re: #231 Amory Blaine

Neither will we.

I so hope you are wrong!

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:14:41am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:15:12am

re: #229 I cannot.

Jeez…if you’re going to do a manifesto, at least type it up with a reasonable font and spacing.

Right! And 161 pages? What the hell?

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Lidane  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:15:55am

*sigh*

Is it too much to ask for one day without a Republican saying or doing something stupid?

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Decatur Deb  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:17:13am

re: #231 Amory Blaine

Neither will we.

Don’t really expect to.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:19:10am

This fucking shit

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:20:37am

re: #237 Stanley Sea

OMG.

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lawhawk  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:20:56am

re: #233 FormerDirtDart

Trump’s busy pushing the GOP agenda, and the Amtrak cuts are just more of the same.

However, that map doesn’t appear accurate based on the article. The article says that the NEC is going to be unaffected by the cuts, which are to long distance lines. Yet, it shows both the DC-NY and the NY-Boston routes getting cuts.

The article also notes one of the biggest problems for Amtrak is shared lines with freight, and those freight trains take precedence, so Amtrak gets hit with significant delays, which add up on long haul train routes, like say the Lake Shore Limited, or the CA to Chicago or Texas destinations.

Watch localities rise against this nuttiness, and GOPers will have to defend the loss of train routes, that generated revenues for businesses in affected cities.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:21:09am

re: #235 Lidane

*sigh*

Is it too much to ask for one day without a Republican saying or doing something stupid?

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Yes. Yes it is.

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whitebeach  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:21:16am

I wasn’t online much yesterday, so it was only when I came here a few minutes ago that I learned about CL. The hurt goes deep. She was a wonderful person, and one of the lights that made this site glow so beautifully in the deepening night. Goodbye, lovely soul.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:23:10am

Imagine the Right wing furor if Obama had locked up the visitor logs until 5 years after he left office…

What has he got to hide?!?

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:23:56am

re: #242 Eclectic Cyborg

Exactly the point.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:24:09am

re: #237 Stanley Sea

Whoever said a witch cursed him to live out his Twitter timeline is pretty much spot-on

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:25:54am

There is a Trump Tweet for all occasions!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:28:11am

re: #244 A wild WITHAK appeared!

re: #245 The Vicious Babushka

15 seconds lol.

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lawhawk  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:29:17am

re: #244 A wild WITHAK appeared!

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:30:57am

re: #247 lawhawk

He is pointing one direction while he is doing something he should not be doing. Diversion tactic.

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jaunte  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:35:58am
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:38:16am

WATCH: GOP Congressman @RepMullin to constituents at a town hall: ‘bullcrap’ to say that taxpayers pay my salary.

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jaunte  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:43:11am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:43:24am

re: #250 The Vicious Babushka

WATCH: GOP Congressman @RepMullin to constituents at a town hall: ‘bullcrap’ to say that taxpayers pay my salary.

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He could be right. Wouldn’t surprise me if the NRA was paying him.

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unproven innocence  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:43:59am

re: #227 Decatur Deb

The sad part is that CL will never see America return to sanity.

Indeed, but that may be true for most of us, also.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:44:07am

There is a tweet for every occasion…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:45:11am

re: #252 GlutenFreeJesus

He could be right. Wouldn’t surprise me if the NRA was paying him.

Or Russia…

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jeffreyw  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:46:52am

Imgur

The traditional meatball sammich. The meatballs symbolize the sauce laid out for the Flying Spaghetti Monster [Blessed is His Noodly Appendage]. The olives, of course stuffed with garlic, represent the Primordial Trinity [Alas! Alas! Alas!]

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lawhawk  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:48:06am
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lawhawk  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:50:28am
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Skip Intro  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:55:45am

Remember back to the Caine Mutiny when strawberries gave the game away?

Now it’s “the wires”.

TRUMP: Oh, sure. We’re talking about surveillance. It was wiretapped in quotes. “The New York Times” said the word wiretapped in the headline of the first edition. Then they took it out of there fast when they realized. But I put wiretapped in quotes, meaning, because, look, wiretapping is an old-fashioned… (CROSSTALK) there are too many wires anymore, right? You don’t have a lot of wires. Look at this room. This room used to have a lot of wires. Now it doesn’t have so many wires.

esquire.com

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Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:56:54am

re: #259 Skip Intro

Remember back to the Caine Mutiny when strawberries gave the game away?

Now it’s “the wires”.

TRUMP: Oh, sure. We’re talking about surveillance. It was wiretapped in quotes. “The New York Times” said the word wiretapped in the headline of the first edition. Then they took it out of there fast when they realized. But I put wiretapped in quotes, meaning, because, look, wiretapping is an old-fashioned… (CROSSTALK) there are too many wires anymore, right? You don’t have a lot of wires. Look at this room. This room used to have a lot of wires. Now it doesn’t have so many wires.

esquire.com

First it was “the cyber”, now it’s the “the wires”.

JFC, we’re doomed.

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b.d.  Apr 14, 2017 • 10:58:27am

re: #226 Amory Blaine

They caught the nutjob from Janesville (no not Paul Ryan).

Manhunt suspect Joseph Jakubowski nabbed in western Wisconsin

Link to part of manifesto.

Good. Militia nutjob’s annual blowing stuff up/burning things down and shooting people week is next week, glad they caught him/

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:03:29am

re: #253 unproven innocence

Indeed, but that may be true for most of us, also.

I believe that day will come in November 2020, which the vast majority of us should live to see, assuming Trump doesn’t blow up the world before then.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:04:38am

re: #260 Timothy Watson

First it was “the cyber”, now it’s the “the wires”.

JFC, we’re doomed.

And just because:

The Wire Intro Theme [Season 1]

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:05:26am

re: #254 FormerDirtDart

Put them together so we can all easily rub trumper friends faces in it.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:06:52am

re: #255 Eclectic Cyborg

Or Russia…

Both is most likely.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:11:39am

re: #250 The Vicious Babushka

WATCH: GOP Congressman @RepMullin to constituents at a town hall: ‘bullcrap’ to say that taxpayers pay my salary.

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His salary is shat out by rainbow unicorns.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:12:47am

re: #250 The Vicious Babushka

WATCH: GOP Congressman @RepMullin to constituents at a town hall: ‘bullcrap’ to say that taxpayers pay my salary.

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He appears to be angling to have no salary at all.

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gocart mozart  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:14:20am

I have arrived, Karl Marx just followed me.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:19:04am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:20:45am

re: #269 The Vicious Babushka

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How precious. What a bunch of bullshit.

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EPR-radar  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:21:51am

re: #269 The Vicious Babushka

It’s always hard to decide which are worse: GOP military chickenhawks or GOP fiscal chickenhawks. POTUS* von Clownstick is the perfect embodiment of both.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:22:04am

re: #269 The Vicious Babushka

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Running government like a business if costs you $17,500 a year to export a database to a spreadsheet and post it online.

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Jay C  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:24:50am

re: #250 The Vicious Babushka

WATCH: GOP Congressman @RepMullin to constituents at a town hall: ‘bullcrap’ to say that taxpayers pay my salary.

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And his “rationale” for this comment was even better: according to the Congressman, it was something like he has already paid enough in taxes to the Government to pay himself several times over (or some such bullshit). Oh, and, also, he’s serving in Congress as a “public service”, not for the salary.

If so, then maybe he should do us all a favor and return to the private sector ASAP….

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:25:07am

re: #271 EPR-radar

It’s always hard to decide which are worse: GOP military chickenhawks or GOP fiscal chickenhawks. POTUS* von Clownstick is the perfect embodiment of both.

You’re the first person I’ve ever seen call them fiscal chickenhawks. I like that a lot.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:26:20am

re: #273 Jay C

And his “rationale” for this comment was even better: according to the Congressman, it was something like he has already paid enough in taxes to the Government to pay himself several times over (or some such bullshit). Oh, and, also, he’s serving in Congress as a “public service”, not for the salary.

If so, then maybe he should do us all a favor and return to the private sector ASAP….

From Wikipedia:

Despite describing the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 as a “horrible waste of tax dollars”, Mullin’s plumbing business, which was inherited from his father, took approximately $370,000 of government funds from that program. [6]

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m0nkeyb0y  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:30:22am

re: #273 Jay C

And his “rationale” for this comment was even better: according to the Congressman, it was something like he has already paid enough in taxes to the Government to pay himself several times over (or some such bullshit). Oh, and, also, he’s serving in Congress as a “public service”, not for the salary.

If so, then maybe he should do us all a favor and return to the private sector ASAP….

I take it as a given that he has spent his whole life shirking his fair share of taxes, too.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:30:44am

re: #275 Timothy Watson

From Wikipedia:

Kind of reminds me of Maryland’s Eastern Shore’s Andy Harris and Freedumb Caucus member who got elected running against ACA whose first act as Congressman elect was to ask for his health insurance benefits. Is tehre any Republican who isn’t a fuck you, I got mine asshole? And that’s a rhetorical question.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:32:27am

re: #276 m0nkeyb0y

I take it as a given that he has spent his whole life shirking his fair share of taxes, too.

IT A BISNESS RESPONSEBELITTY TO PAY AS LITTLE TAX AS THAY CAN GETS AWAY WITH!!!!1!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:33:23am

GOP in short: Government is awful, awful but I have no problem using it to enrich me and mine while spouting off bullshit platitudes about big government.

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EPR-radar  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:34:03am

re: #274 HappyWarrior

You’re the first person I’ve ever seen call them fiscal chickenhawks. I like that a lot.

It fits so well. Republicans spend like drunken sailors on their own priorities to deliberately run up the debt and deficit when they are in change. When they aren’t in charge, they piss and moan about every cent of non-defense spending as though they are personally paying for all of it.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:34:57am

re: #280 EPR-radar

It fits so well. Republicans spend like drunken sailors on their own priorities to deliberately run up the debt and deficit when they are in change. When they aren’t in charge, they piss and moan about every cent of non-defense spending as though they are personally paying for all of it.

It really does work well.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:35:21am

I found the last comment that Aminah made to me, it was a condolence on my mother’s passing.
littlegreenfootballs.com

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lawhawk  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:36:53am

Today marks the 152nd anniversary of the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.

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EPR-radar  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:37:45am

re: #277 HappyWarrior

Kind of reminds me of Maryland’s Eastern Shore’s Andy Harris and Freedumb Caucus member who got elected running against ACA whose first act as Congressman elect was to ask for his health insurance benefits. Is tehre any Republican who isn’t a fuck you, I got mine asshole? And that’s a rhetorical question.

As we all know, it is impossible to be a Republican without being a ‘fuck you, I’ve got mine’ asshole. In RPG terms, that’s the defining trait of a level 1 Republican. As they level up, they get worse.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:45:49am

re: #283 lawhawk

Today marks the 152nd anniversary of the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.

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It’s funny - April has the anniversaries of the Big Days in the Civil War - Firing on Fort Sumter to kick it off on the 12th; the surrender at Appomattox Court House to end it on the 9th; Lincoln’s Assassination on the 14th. All in less than a week.

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BlueGrl21  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:48:25am

Aminah’s death made me realize that I genuinely care about the people here. I do. I know your names, see your personalities, this is a home for me.

So I did something I said I would never do. I set up a Twitter account just for LGF people to access. I’m at BlueGirlTexas21. So if you see a new follower, it’s me.

I resisted Twitter because I saw some bad things. Two of my husband’s former players attended a very high profile D1, Final Four college and play in the NBA today. They’re my kids. And I watched people just pile on and say some horrible things about them and just eviscerate them. It bothered me tremendously and though they would not admit it publicly, it bothered them tremendously too.

I could not stand to see it and said, “Not going near it.”

But I don’t want to miss the ability to know some of you better. So I will use Twitter for good.

Love to all of you.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:51:33am

re: #286 BlueGrl21

Just sent the Follow request.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:52:14am

re: #284 EPR-radar

As we all know, it is impossible to be a Republican without being a ‘fuck you, I’ve got mine’ asshole. In RPG terms, that’s the defining trait of a level 1 Republican. As they level up, they get worse.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:52:50am

re: #283 lawhawk

Today marks the 152nd anniversary of the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.

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There’s an article in the Post today about John Surratt and how he fled to the Vatican after the Lincoln assassination.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:53:59am

re: #283 lawhawk

Today marks the 152nd anniversary of the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.

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Lewis Paine, on the bottom left, looks like a 20th Century male fashion model.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:54:06am

re: #285 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s funny - April has the anniversaries of the Big Days in the Civil War - Firing on Fort Sumter to kick it off on the 12th; the surrender at Appomattox Court House to end it on the 9th; Lincoln’s Assassination on the 14th. All in less than a week.

And then there’s the story of Wilmer McLean and how he lived in Mansassas during the Battle of Bull Run and how Lee and Grant ended teh war at his home in Appamatox. I’m not sure how accurate that is or if it’s just exaggerated legend.

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Franklin  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:55:01am

re: #286 BlueGrl21

Just followed from @franklinftw

EDIT: That should say I just sent a follow request.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:55:11am

washingtonpost.com
I know we have a lot of history buffs here.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:55:34am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

And then there’s the story of Wilmer McLean and how he lived in Mansassas during the Battle of Bull Run and how Lee and Grant ended teh war at his home in Appamatox. I’m not sure how accurate that is or if it’s just exaggerated legend.

He gets a mention in Ken Burns’ documentary, so I’m thinking its true.

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Mattand  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:56:28am

re: #283 lawhawk

Today marks the 152nd anniversary of the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.

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AKA, the next group of people Republicans are going to say were misunderstood champions of states’ rights.

And yes, the fact Lincoln was a Republican is not lost on me, and inevitably lost on them.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:57:18am

re: #294 Big Beautiful Door

He gets a mention in Ken Burns’ documentary, so I’m thinking its true.

I need to watch that again. Speaking of the Civil War, my first tattoo heavily borrowed from the Irish Brigade’s flag. I may eventually get some work done for my second great grandfather’s unit too, the 123rd Pennsylvania.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:58:25am

re: #295 Mattand

AKA, the next group of people Republicans are going to say were misunderstood champions of states’ rights.

And yes, the fact Lincoln was a Republican is not lost on me, and inevitably lost on them.

There was in fact a Republican candidate in NC the other day who said that Lincoln was no more less a tyrant than Hitler. Lincoln may be the father of the GOP but the further South you go, the more likely he becomes a swear word.

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b_sharp  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:58:52am

re: #286 BlueGrl21

Aminah’s death made me realize that I genuinely care about the people here. I do. I know your names, see your personalities, this is a home for me.

So I did something I said I would never do. I set up a Twitter account just for LGF people to access. I’m at BlueGirlTexas21. So if you see a new follower, it’s me.

I resisted Twitter because I saw some bad things. Two of my husband’s former players attended a very high profile D1, Final Four college and play in the NBA today. They’re my kids. And I watched people just pile on and say some horrible things about them and just eviscerate them. It bothered me tremendously and though they would not admit it publicly, it bothered them tremendously too.

I could not stand to see it and said, “Not going near it.”

But I don’t want to miss the ability to know some of you better. So I will use Twitter for good.

Love to all of you.

If you start having Twitter problems just ask for help. There are a number of us Twitter veterans who would.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:58:56am

re: #282 The Vicious Babushka

I found the last comment that Aminah made to me, it was a condolence on my mother’s passing.
littlegreenfootballs.com

Tears again dangit.

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lawhawk  Apr 14, 2017 • 11:59:05am

re: #286 BlueGrl21

A request has been sent :)

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Belafon  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:00:17pm

re: #235 Lidane

*sigh*

Is it too much to ask for one day without a Republican saying or doing something stupid?

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This is like saying no one has to use the highway.

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lawhawk  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:01:11pm

So, I was listening to my music again today as I always do, and came across Queensryche doing Heaven on Their Mind, which had me think of the original from Jesus Christ Superstar.

It’s still rather appropriate. So many people think that they know what Jesus would say or do, and all they do is twist all his words around.

Heaven on Their Minds

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b_sharp  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:07:47pm

re: #299 Stanley Sea

Tears again dangit.

It’s hard getting away from it isn’t it?

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Jay C  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:12:28pm

re: #294 Big Beautiful Door

And then there’s the story of Wilmer McLean and how he lived in Manassas during the Battle of Bull Run and how Lee and Grant ended the war at his home in Appomattox. I’m not sure how accurate that is or if it’s just exaggerated legend.

He gets a mention in Ken Burns’ documentary, so I’m thinking its true.

Bruce Catton mentioned the story in his books as well, so yeah, “true”.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:13:56pm

re: #302 lawhawk

So, I was listening to my music again today as I always do, and came across Queensryche doing Heaven on Their Mind, which had me think of the original from Jesus Christ Superstar.

It’s still rather appropriate. So many people think that they know what Jesus would say or do, and all they do is twist all his words around.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:15:22pm

re: #304 Jay C

Bruce Catton mentioned the story in his books as well, so yeah, “true”.

I need to read more on the Civil War. Personally, I’m most interested in reading about immigrant groups especially the Irish and Germans.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:19:02pm

re: #291 HappyWarrior

And then there’s the story of Wilmer McLean and how he lived in Mansassas during the Battle of Bull Run and how Lee and Grant ended teh war at his home in Appamatox. I’m not sure how accurate that is or if it’s just exaggerated legend.

When I was in college, one of the History profs was a big Civil War buff. He got a group of students together every year, “The Army Of The Cussewago*”. We were each assigned a field commander’s After Action Reports to study, and to try to understand their part of the battle and put it in the context of the battle as a whole. Then, in the spring, we’d pile into a bunch of cars and head down to Virginia, around Culpepper. The battles of Fredericksburg in 1862, Chancellorville in 1863, Spotsylvania in 1864, and The Wilderness in 1865 were all fought on overlapping areas, and at that time in the late 1970s, a lot of it was still farmland and woods, undeveloped. The trenchlines and lunettes for artillery were still in evidence. Indeed, some of the lunettes were still as high as 4-5 feet! We saw one of the first zigzag trenches, which had to be reinvented in WWI. Every day, walking trenchlines and putting parts of each battle in the context of the terrain. And every night, we all took advantage of Virginia’s then-18 drinking age…

The point of all that, is that so much of the war was fought over the same ground repeatedly that the story you relate is not that hard to believe.

*The Cussewago is a creek in Meadville, where my alma mater, Allegheny College, is located.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:19:29pm

So, I brought home this antique tablecloth from my mother’s house. It belonged to my grandmother and is at least 100 years old. We spread it on the table for the Passover seder.

During the seder, my grandkids were bored, as kids tend to be. Suddenly my granddaughter (age 11) blurted out “There are naked people in the tablecloth!”

Well sure enough, we looked, and images of nude people were embroidered into the lace design.


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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:20:34pm

re: #306 HappyWarrior

I need to read more on the Civil War. Personally, I’m most interested in reading about immigrant groups especially the Irish and Germans.

One of the great advantages the North had in the war was not only that it started out with millions more able bodied men, but that it could also recruit new soldiers from immigrants coming from Europe, and eventually the North also could start to arm African-Americans, including the South’s own workforce. Based on the 1860 census, the seceding states only had a little over a million white men between the ages of 15-40 to begin with, while the free states had over four million.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:22:34pm

re: #307 Blind Frog Belly White

When I was in college, one of the History profs was a big Civil War buff. He got a group of students together every year, “The Army Of The Cussewago*”. We were each assigned a field commander’s After Action Reports to study, and to try to understand their part of the battle and put it in the context of the battle as a whole. Then, in the spring, we’d pile into a bunch of cars and head down to Virginia, around Culpepper. The battles of Fredericksburg in 1862, Chancellorville in 1863, Spotsylvania in 1864, and The Wilderness in 1865 were all fought on overlapping areas, and at that time in the late 1970s, a lot of it was still farmland and woods, undeveloped. The trenchlines and lunettes for artillery were still in evidence. Indeed, some of the lunettes were still as high as 4-5 feet! We saw one of the first zigzag trenches, which had to be reinvented in WWI. Every day, walking trenchlines and putting parts of each battle in the context of the terrain. And every night, we all took advantage of Virginia’s then-18 drinking age…

The point of all that, is that so much of the war was fought over the same ground repeatedly that the story you relate is not that hard to believe.

*The Cussewago is a creek in Meadville, where my alma mater, Allegheny College, is located.

Yeah the later battles around Richmond had an eerie resemblance to trench warfare in WWI. I remember hearing that when I learned about Cold Harbor. That sounds like a lot of fun. I really need to make it back up to Gettysburg again. I haven’t been since I Was a kid.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:23:10pm

re: #308 The Vicious Babushka

So, I brought home this antique tablecloth from my mother’s house. It belonged to my grandmother and is at least 100 years old. We spread it on the table for the Passover seder.

During the seder, my grandkids were bored, as kids tend to be. Suddenly my granddaughter (age 11) blurted out “There are naked people in the tablecloth!”

Well sure enough, we looked, and images of nude people were embroidered into the lace design.

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As I was reading I kept waiting for the line about red wine. Phew.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:24:10pm

re: #311 Stanley Sea

As I was reading I kept waiting for the line about red wine. Phew.

There was wine spilled but I put a plastic on top of the tablecloth.

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Kragar  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:24:35pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:24:38pm

re: #310 HappyWarrior

Yeah the later battles around Richmond had an eerie resemblance to trench warfare in WWI. I remember hearing that when I learned about Cold Harbor. That sounds like a lot of fun. I really need to make it back up to Gettysburg again. I haven’t been since I Was a kid.

One time I walked with a group around the Perryville battlefield with a historian describing the action, fun!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:26:22pm

I don’t think we have any multi-generational heir looms unfortunately. My cousin has something that’s been in her mom’s family for generations though. They can trace their family back all the way to William the Conqueror. Makes me feel like a novice since I can “only” trace my surname back 8 generations to the late 1500’s. It’s pretty neat though. The earliest person with a full name and surname in my family line pretty much has my name but in German of course.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:26:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:27:02pm

re: #314 Big Beautiful Door

One time I walked with a group around the Perryville battlefield with a historian describing the action, fun!

A good historian can make things so much more interesting. I’m going to Belgium this summer. Found a really good tour guide for the WWI battlefields.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:27:21pm

re: #313 Kragar

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When your shtick is acting crazy, what happens when the President of the US acts just as crazy?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:27:32pm

re: #316 The Vicious Babushka

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Indeed, black women are often forgotten in the war.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:30:17pm

re: #310 HappyWarrior

Yeah the later battles around Richmond had an eerie resemblance to trench warfare in WWI. I remember hearing that when I learned about Cold Harbor. That sounds like a lot of fun. I really need to make it back up to Gettysburg again. I haven’t been since I Was a kid.

While I, OTOH, was a kid there.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:30:26pm
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Eventual Carrion  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:31:13pm

re: #307 Blind Frog Belly White

[snip]

The point of all that, is that so much of the war was fought over the same ground repeatedly that the story you relate is not that hard to believe.

*The Cussewago is a creek in Meadville, where my alma mater, Allegheny College, is located.

My mother lives just down the road from Meadville in Cochranton. Aunts, uncles, cousins still live in the area around it all the way to Franklin, and me to Greenville. Spent many a young day running around Meadville. Middle son even spent one year at Allegheny also. Small world, but I wouldn’t want to paint it.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:31:38pm

re: #250 The Vicious Babushka

Since he’s a Republican it’s more likely that the Koch Bros. et al pay his salary.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:31:41pm

re: #320 Blind Frog Belly White

While I, OTOH, was a kid there.

Wow, I can’t imagine living there. I mean we’ve got some neat history here in NOVA but GEttysburg.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:32:09pm

re: #321 The Vicious Babushka

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Some things never go away unfortunately. Sigh.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:33:38pm

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
“turn his shipload of human cargo back around to Africa.”

Didn’t know that part of the story. Interesting. Years ago I bought the movie but just haven’t had time to watch it as yet.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:33:52pm

re: #310 HappyWarrior

My suggestion - do it on a hot July day. Try climbing Little Round Top from the bottom, and imagine people firing down on you. Walk from the Virginia Monument (say hello to Bobby Lee and Traveller first), and when you get to Bus. Rt. 15 the Emmitsburg Road, imagine the entire ridge ahead of you erupting in cannon and musket fire.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:36:07pm

re: #327 Blind Frog Belly White

My suggestion - do it on a hot July day. Try climbing Little Round Top from the bottom, and imagine people firing down on you. Walk from the Virginia Monument (say hello to Bobby Lee and Traveller first), and when you get to Bus. Rt. 15 the Emmitsburg Road, imagine the entire ridge ahead of you erupting in cannon and musket fire.

Sounds like a good idea. I hope you don’t recommend that I wear pants though and a musket! But yeah, I remember visiting as a kid, then watching Gettysburg, and reading the Killer Angels in college. I’ve always considered Colonel Chamberlain one of my favorite people I’ve learned about in the war since like so many he was not a military man by training but he felt an obligation to serve his country.

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calochortus  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:37:32pm

re: #321 The Vicious Babushka

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Because any time Jewish people toast anything it’s evil? Got it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:37:47pm

re: #322 Eventual Carrion

My mother lives just down the road from Meadville in Cochranton. Aunts, uncles, cousins still live in the area around it all the way to Franklin, and me to Greenville. Spent many a young day running around Meadville. Middle son even spent one year at Allegheny also. Small world, but I wouldn’t want to paint it.

Mrs. FBW is from the next county over. Every time we’d go to visit her Mom, we’d pass by Allegheny - which is where we met.

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Franklin  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:38:29pm

re: #319 HappyWarrior

Indeed, black women are often forgotten in the war.

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calochortus  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:39:33pm

re: #327 Blind Frog Belly White

My suggestion - do it on a hot July day. Try climbing Little Round Top from the bottom, and imagine people firing down on you. Walk from the Virginia Monument (say hello to Bobby Lee and Traveller first), and when you get to Bus. Rt. 15 the Emmitsburg Road, imagine the entire ridge ahead of you erupting in cannon and musket fire.

Yeah, I’ve done that and still can’t really imagine. It would have been more striking to me without all the monuments, though.

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Scottish Dragon  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:39:45pm

re: #294 Big Beautiful Door

He gets a mention in Ken Burns’ documentary, so I’m thinking its true.

He was also a war profiteer. Not really a great guy.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:39:57pm

re: #328 HappyWarrior

Sounds like a good idea. I hope you don’t recommend that I wear pants though and a musket! But yeah, I remember visiting as a kid, then watching Gettysburg, and reading the Killer Angels in college. I’ve always considered Colonel Chamberlain one of my favorite people I’ve learned about in the war since like so many he was not a military man by training but he felt an obligation to serve his country.

Actually, for the assault on Little Round Top, I DO recommend pants. Lots of poison ivy! But they don’t have to be heavy gray wool!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:40:06pm

re: #331 Franklin

Definitely.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:40:44pm

re: #334 Blind Frog Belly White

Actually, for the assault on Little Round Top, I DO recommend pants. Lots of poison ivy! But they don’t have to be heavy gray wool!

Ah ha.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:41:00pm

re: #333 Scottish Dragon

He was also a war profiteer. Not really a great guy.

Did not know that

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calochortus  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:41:16pm

re: #334 Blind Frog Belly White

Actually, for the assault on Little Round Top, I DO recommend pants. Lots of poison ivy! But they don’t have to be heavy gray wool!

I dunno. I’m still contemplating him touring the sites without pants…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:42:13pm

From waht I’ve read on my 2 Grandpa’s unit, it was disbanded right before Gettysburg so my guess is he came home after that and worked in another blacksmith shop before he eventually got his own shop.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:42:38pm

re: #338 calochortus

I dunno. I’m still contemplating him touring the sites without pants…

Well I’d be wearing shorts.

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A Cranky One  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:42:57pm

re: #338 calochortus

I dunno. I’m still contemplating him touring the sites without pants…

After all that climbing, I’d be panting….

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calochortus  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:43:38pm

re: #340 HappyWarrior

Well I’d be wearing shorts.

That will probably reduce the chances of being arrested. People in southeastern PA do tend to be conservative. ;)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:44:35pm

re: #342 calochortus

That will probably reduce the chances of being arrested. People in southeastern PA do tend to be conservative. ;)

And the chance of getting nasty bug bites and the poison ivy.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:44:45pm

re: #332 calochortus

Yeah, I’ve done that and still can’t really imagine. It would have been more striking to me without all the monuments, though.

That’s one of the reasons our prof. preferred the Virginia battlefields. They weren’t spoiled by tourism.

You can still see evidence of trenchlines in some places at Gettysburg, but they’re only just subtle, unnatural furrows now, rather than clearly apparent. Look North of the Pennsylvania monument, near the 1st Minnesota Volunteers monument.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:45:40pm

I always wanted to visit Civil War battlefields but now that I have arthritis I probably wouldn’t be able to do all that walking and climbing.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:45:54pm

re: #344 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s one of the reasons our prof. preferred the Virginia battlefields. They weren’t spoiled by tourism.

You can still see evidence of trenchlines in some places at Gettysburg, but they’re only just subtle, unnatural furrows now, rather than clearly apparent. Look North of the Pennsylvania monument, near the 1st Minnesota Volunteers monument.

Not as much tourism probably, but plenty of (sub)urbanization nowadays.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:46:46pm

Loch Ness, but whatever

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:46:49pm

re: #286 BlueGrl21

follow request sent from @dreggas

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:47:00pm

re: #346 Timothy Watson

Not as much tourism probably, but plenty of (sub)urbanization nowadays.

Yeah. It’s like that in Mansassas. I actually applied for a job once with the Civil War Trust which works on battlefield conservation. Never heard back from them unfortunately.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:48:07pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:48:58pm

re: #346 Timothy Watson

Not as much tourism probably, but plenty of (sub)urbanization nowadays.

Yeah. When we last were there in 1979, there was a brand new condo development very close to the zigzag trench. Which means its probably gone now.

Gettysburg is spared that, but at the expense of having only one direction to grow in - East along Rt. 30. The Park Service owns everything else in all directions.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:50:39pm

re: #345 The Vicious Babushka

I always wanted to visit Civil War battlefields but now that I have arthritis I probably wouldn’t be able to do all that walking and climbing.

Gettysburg might be for you. It can all be done from a car with minimal walking. There are plenty of well-paved roads that follow the lines.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:51:03pm

re: #351 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah. When we last were there in 1979, there was a brand new condo development very close to the zigzag trench. Which means its probably gone now.

Gettysburg is spared that, but at the expense of having only one direction to grow in - East along Rt. 30. The Park Service owns everything else in all directions.

I grew up and live outside of Fredericksburg and know how much it’s changed just in the 29 years I’ve been around.

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calochortus  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:51:33pm

re: #344 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s one of the reasons our prof. preferred the Virginia battlefields. They weren’t spoiled by tourism.

You can still see evidence of trenchlines in some places at Gettysburg, but they’re only just subtle, unnatural furrows now, rather than clearly apparent. Look North of the Pennsylvania monument, near the 1st Minnesota Volunteers monument.

When we lived back east I visited a few Civil War battlefields. I found ones like the Peach Orchard at Shiloh particularly sad because of the fact it is so ordinary and peaceful. Gettysburg suffers both from a lot of tourists and from the Victorian mania for monuments (which is understandable, but didn’t work for me.)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:55:33pm

re: #353 Timothy Watson

I grew up and live outside of Fredericksburg and now how much it’s changed just in the 29 years I’ve been around.

Going back to visit my folks for the last 35 years, I’m simultaneously surprised by how much has changed (like how much development there is on Rt 7 compared to 35 years ago, or along Rt 15 around Frederick), and how little, like Frederick, through Gettysburg, to my hometown of

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gocart mozart  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:55:59pm
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Mike Lamb  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:56:27pm

re: #347 Stanley Sea

This eventually has to grate on his supporters right? Right?

Who am I kidding?

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Stanley Sea  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:58:51pm

This woodpecker hitched a ride in Chicago (think it is tired) and the driver made a friend. I adore this.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:59:07pm

re: #357 Mike Lamb

This eventually has to grate on his supporters right? Right?

Who am I kidding?

Nah.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 14, 2017 • 12:59:17pm

re: #354 calochortus

When we lived back east I visited a few Civil War battlefields. I found ones like the Peach Orchard at Shiloh particularly sad because of the fact it is so ordinary and peaceful. Gettysburg suffers both from a lot of tourists and from the Victorian mania for monuments (which is understandable, but didn’t work for me.)

As a kid growing up there, we had a very jaundiced view of tourism and tourists - Bullet Diggers, we called them. For most of the year, the battlefield roads were great shortcuts to avoid going through town. From Memorial Day through Labor Day, those roads would be choked with station wagons full of Bullet Diggers, stopping at every damned one of the 3000+ monuments, including the markers for the right and left flanks of each regiment that fought there.

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EPR-radar  Apr 14, 2017 • 1:00:53pm

re: #350 Stanley Sea

I like the narration idea.

“Here we have a sighting of the elusive Clownstickus Vulgaris in its native habitat — a country club full of assholes. It’s naturally a scavenger of stray change ($100 bills preferred) , and its dominance display includes cheating on golf scores.”

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Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2017 • 1:02:48pm

re: #347 Stanley Sea

Loch Ness, but whatever

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Taking the term “banker’s hours” to the extreme.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 14, 2017 • 1:04:18pm
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EPR-radar  Apr 14, 2017 • 1:08:01pm

re: #362 Timothy Watson

Taking the term “banker’s hours” to the extreme.

Every hour POTUS* 45 spends playing golf is a waking hour in which his attention is at least partially diverted away from various Republican projects to kill us all. Naturally I approve.

I also think that every tweet that POTUS* 45 ever made on the subject of Obama’s golfing and how POTUS* 45 would work his ass off in the White House should be inscribed in giant letters on manure bricks for him to eat, in token of his massive hypocrisy on this point.

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Jack Burton  Apr 14, 2017 • 1:11:10pm

re: #363 Charles Johnson

I’m tempted to break my ‘don’t engage and/or acknowledge asshats on Twitter’ rule just to tell that guy what a colossal piece of human garbage he is.

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Targetpractice  Apr 14, 2017 • 1:15:30pm

re: #364 EPR-radar

Every hour POTUS* 45 spends playing golf is a waking hour in which his attention is at least partially diverted away from various Republican projects to kill us all. Naturally I approve.

I also think that every tweet that POTUS* 45 ever made on the subject of Obama’s golfing and how POTUS* 45 would work his ass off in the White House should be inscribed in giant letters on manure bricks for him to eat, in token of his massive hypocrisy on this point.

The only downside is it also means we have nobody really in charge when the fecal matter hits the rotary impeller. Part of his total lack of dedication to the job is that most of the open spaces are going unfilled and those that have been filled are largely by men who have no idea what they’re doing and (in some prominent cases) have been superseded by a young punk whose only accomplish is he married into the president’s family.

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gocart mozart  Apr 14, 2017 • 1:17:29pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 14, 2017 • 1:19:33pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 14, 2017 • 1:20:14pm

Say what we will about Dubya, when 9/11 happened he acted like he was on the clock and took the job seriously. If another attack like that happened, by the time we hauled Jabba the Trump back to the White House, we’d be at war with Luxembourg because they denied Uday and Qusay a license to expand the family business there.

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gocart mozart  Apr 14, 2017 • 1:20:30pm
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Jack Burton  Apr 14, 2017 • 1:25:21pm

FROGiU0J0ILXsSzyuW42E+vUjvLiA5Qv4qewsESj8rvLxWp35bK+CCJOca7zJ/COgdGeNH0kTTjhICRXUaF9mFzth4wHtqaj0iWaATdna42bJP56DnO4IB1x4SuZznb1bY/NmH4gQx2kUkROcyhsJxPv21zXwVW+Xu1IX14Jg4cVVa0QtTRrl3hLEHbgZt9ab7Yv67d3rM7mYdQpPN4Qlgr40jlCqDgya+OTc+MfiQv8j5sPLOuqq3NfsKH7EO99DqaL63Jsb+VpL86NafXNqjny6oxyKVJfmmT6NhJyRiiDQwiKH6aA/gmH02PDJEkXHdhLVoHf6T45ywVIjhyn4V9qnqsFxEpjJ/k+Dy2Hc+Ia0f+lPWKvIqYLdVeZVr0v7p26lcndWNigC0audqJCZ2C5nEW8HoLRhTvluXBM4VhgiT92nqof+6N1thWvAptOIlXp5NDZx2EL20/oOWaFZTdX2vN2i1AKA/8CXL/WL7U9BBGJw8gHaxVEJiIRFmfKcz7IvbbXhvKTrALCodRqUzTmm8VxtLAuDbCk415wIbG+YqJuVDKXScfEV3gkRMbI4k8jIWuUXyynQfK/qJA2SiT3d2pXSpMs2ZZogitW/GvpaVbYVuDS7qCpVi5ZjRazed+JtonHscN54q/p7TitMwZPtzUQlBuiCtM5PQ59VHfiOkCSxJ6xu5PapxNE///Pl8TeoZUzl3Mb1pzXqIviP5bHd4PBlSv6xRYF4NR0wtE=

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 14, 2017 • 1:30:21pm

Because of course

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Scottish Dragon  Apr 14, 2017 • 1:31:50pm

re: #372 The Vicious Babushka

Because of course

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Moneylenders in the temple…the whole lot of them.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2017 • 1:32:00pm
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EPR-radar  Apr 14, 2017 • 1:32:29pm

re: #366 Targetpractice

The only downside is it also means we have nobody really in charge when the fecal matter hits the rotary impeller. Part of his total lack of dedication to the job is that most of the open spaces are going unfilled and those that have been filled are largely by men who have no idea what they’re doing and (in some prominent cases) have been superseded by a young punk whose only accomplish is he married into the president’s family.

Having top positions vacant is the best we can hope for out of POTUS* 45. With very few exceptions, anyone appointed to a senior position by von Clownstick is literally worse than useless.

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plansbandc  Apr 14, 2017 • 1:41:32pm

re: #286 BlueGrl21

I sent a request. Pflowerstone. : )

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TedStriker  Apr 14, 2017 • 1:41:34pm

re: #375 EPR-radar

Having top positions vacant is the best we can hope for out of POTUS* 45. With very few exceptions, anyone appointed to a senior position by von Clownstick is literally worse than useless.

Or crooked as hell (or incompetent and crooked)

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Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2017 • 1:46:15pm
For the past few years, I’ve sat in New Orleans high school classrooms watching students debate the fairest way for government to raise revenue. They role-play — first as management consultants advising legislators; then as lawmakers, weighing what to tax: property vs. sales vs. income. Are there limits on what or who can be taxed? Is a flat tax or a progressive rate structure fairer? Sometimes their discussions are heated.

These teenagers, however, have an edge that many adults don’t: basic tax literacy. Guided by Tulane law students, the high schoolers explore different philosophies and methods of taxation through TaxJazz, a program I began in 2013. Students who take the week-long course study issues of fairness and technical matters such as bases and rate structures. They examine key concepts such as the difference between marginal rates (the percentage of tax paid on the last dollar of income) and effective rates (the average percentage of tax paid). They learn that narrower tax bases, such as sales tax, need higher rates than broader bases, such as income taxes, to raise equivalent amounts of revenue. They discover that changing the method of taxation increases how much some taxpayers owe and decreases that amount for others.

If more people knew what these students know, we’d have a far more reasonable tax debate and better tax laws.

washingtonpost.com

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EPR-radar  Apr 14, 2017 • 1:47:34pm

re: #377 TedStriker

Or crooked as hell (and incompetent and crooked)

Trump’s appointees are a wide variety of horrible: incompetent, corrupt, blinkered zealot, complete idiot, saboteur, bigot, racist, misogynist, criminal, foreign agent, greedy, lazy or any combination thereof.

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EPR-radar  Apr 14, 2017 • 1:49:47pm

re: #378 Timothy Watson

I’m glad to see that these students are learning something useful.

However, the underlying notion that factual knowledge of taxation realities would improve the politics of taxation is farcical — Republicans are impervious to both reality and reason on this point.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 14, 2017 • 2:06:02pm
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wrenchwench  Apr 14, 2017 • 2:11:02pm
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Stanley Sea  Apr 14, 2017 • 2:28:35pm

Did not know this. Glad I do now.

I’m seriously buying stargazer lilies for a friend for Easter & was going to pick myself up some. I love(D) them.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 14, 2017 • 2:39:48pm

So China seems to seriously be freaking out right now about the us hitting NK or NK launching a strike. They are usually pretty reserved. That worries me.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 14, 2017 • 2:56:13pm

re: #313 Kragar

The Grandson apparently forgot an important history lesson: The United States is the only country to ever use nuclear weapons in anger.

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ObserverArt  Apr 14, 2017 • 3:16:25pm

re: #382 wrenchwench

Laundry day.

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His first!

Hmmm. Do you have to use Woolite?

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wrenchwench  Apr 14, 2017 • 3:51:52pm

re: #386 ObserverArt

Hmmm. Do you have to use Woolite?

And cold water! (Don’t tell the lamb.)


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