Beautiful and Sad: Genevieve Artadi, “Before the Dark”

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this song will be on my upcoming second album.

written by me
production and piano: Ross Garren
mix: Nick DePinna
guitar: Brady Cohan

lyrics-
maybe we are nothing but a flashing moment
passing moment
but
before the dark
before the silence
takes our light away

maybe we can make something of what’s around us
all around us
and
before the dark
be more than silence
drifting through the days

maybe every road leads to a final moment
one last moment
but
in now we have
a chance to last
to dream the end away

maybe time will stop someday to think about us
vaguely of us
and
what it will see
is you and me
sharing our only days

best of days

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178 comments

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darthstar  Apr 16, 2017 • 11:56:35am
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thecommodore  Apr 16, 2017 • 12:01:39pm
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Birth Control Works  Apr 16, 2017 • 12:02:13pm

bbl

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Anymouse  Apr 16, 2017 • 12:20:41pm

An attempt was made to quantify racism (an admittedly hard thing to do), this time by media market area.

Assuming the data and map presented is correct, the area considered 0.5SD or higher above the mean stretches from New York State, across Ohio, Mich., Penna., and down into Kentucky. Other areas include a swath going north from Louisiana, and a string of areas from Tennessee to the Gulf Shores.

Turns out my area (western Nebraska, Wyoming, South Dakota, Colorado, &c) scored 0.5SD lower than the mean.

I have no idea whether this is any more accurate than previous attempts to quantify racist attitudes, but I thought it interesting.

dailykos.com;

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Joe Bacon  Apr 16, 2017 • 12:27:22pm

re: #4 Anymouse

I can sure vouch for that chart since I was raised in Appalachia. Racism is alive and flourishing in that area!

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scottslemmons  Apr 16, 2017 • 12:29:55pm

re: #4 Anymouse

An attempt was made to quantify racism (an admittedly hard thing to do), this time by media market area.

Assuming the data and map presented is correct, the area considered 0.5SD or higher above the mean stretches from New York State, across Ohio, Mich., Penna., and down into Kentucky. Other areas include a swath going north from Louisiana, and a string of areas from Tennessee to the Gulf Shores.

Turns out my area (western Nebraska, Wyoming, South Dakota, Colorado, &c) scored 0.5SD lower than the mean.

I have no idea whether this is any more accurate than previous attempts to quantify racist attitudes, but I thought it interesting.

dailykos.com;

Hrm, lots of Arizona showing up as not particularly racist, considering how wildly racist Arizona seems to be nowadays. :/

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Anymouse  Apr 16, 2017 • 12:40:51pm

re: #6 scottslemmons

re: #5 Joe Bacon

Well, I just have my wingnut Christian Identity church in Scottsbluff to worry about around here (and they are mostly an Internet operation).

It would appear who ever did this study that was reported at Daily Kos is trying to reinvent the wheel: The Southern Poverty Law Center keeps track of specific hate groups (which seems to be a better metric - which makes them commies because they don’t use US customary /s). They continually update their Hate Watch map (with descriptions of the various groups) when they become aware of a new group or one disbanding.

For my state, I get a Nazi bookstore, a black separatist group, American Vanguard (yay not), the afformentioned CI church up the road.

However across the line in Colorado we get another CI church, the American Family Association, three anti-Muslim groups, Nation of Islam, Daily Stormer, and a “general hate group” (whatever that is). They are all closer to me than the groups in my state except the CI church.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2017 • 12:47:15pm

sounds familiar….

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Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2017 • 12:48:00pm
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Dr. Matt  Apr 16, 2017 • 12:49:36pm
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scottslemmons  Apr 16, 2017 • 12:52:42pm

Rick Perlstein in the Washington Spectator on the Trumpers’ desperate desires for excuses to go shoot innocent people.

The fun bits involve Gun Counter Gomer Bob Owens of Confederate Yankee being trumpeted as moderate, and pretty much everyone telling anyone to the left of Bannon that they need to start apologizing to Trump or they can’t be held responsible for the bloodshed to come.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Apr 16, 2017 • 1:00:54pm

My absolute favorite guitarist of all time has died.

Allan Holdsworth Dead at 70

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 16, 2017 • 1:02:34pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2017 • 1:11:20pm
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Birth Control Works  Apr 16, 2017 • 1:21:56pm

What is the best source (book, website, etc) to help me understand the basics of Google Analytics? I couldn’t find a “dummies” book :0

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SteveMcG RN  Apr 16, 2017 • 1:22:33pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Wait a sec. He’s only been in office for about 86 long days. Did we miss a boatload of appropriations bills and recruitment? If anything, our inventory of MOABs and Tomahawks would be lower than it was last month.

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SteveMcG RN  Apr 16, 2017 • 1:23:56pm

re: #10 Dr. Matt

EDIT - He knows that Daddy always liked Jr. Ivanka best.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2017 • 1:29:47pm

It’s always someone else’s fault. I’ve yet to see Bernie or his supporters take responsibility for a fucking thing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2017 • 1:32:09pm

re: #18 goddamnedfrank

It’s always someone else’s fault. I’ve yet to see Bernie or his supporters take responsibility for a fucking thing.

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and the guy who was running in Kansas was a Berner…

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BigPapa  Apr 16, 2017 • 1:34:01pm

re: #18 goddamnedfrank

We gotta get big money out of politics
Hey, the DNC didn’t give any big money to Kansas!

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Birth Control Works  Apr 16, 2017 • 1:37:49pm

bbl

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2017 • 1:42:51pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

and the guy who was running in Kansas was a Berner…

And the DNC gave more than three times what Bernie’s PAC did. Should they have given more, yes, everyone probably should have. On the other hand there was probably a law of diminishing returns at play, moving the last few percentage points needed to win was always a tall order.

What kills me is the pattern of baseless blame shifting and the fact that Bernie isn’t a leader but instead takes cues from his immature followers, that he constantly performs down to their worst instincts. He really is in so many ways Trump’s mirror image.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2017 • 1:47:13pm

My 2020 ideal Dem candidate is still Tammy Duckworth. Senate Democrats need to get her on the foreign relations committee asap.

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wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2017 • 1:47:23pm

[…]

“There was just one issue,” Gomez said. “I was not a U.S. citizen.” And therefore, he he did not qualify for the scholarship.

But within days, the Army sent him before an immigration judge in El Paso, he said.

“I went it in, and the judge asked how I was doing,” he said. “Fine, I said.”

The judge then asked Gomez if he was planning to join the Army, to which Gomez replied, “I’m already in the Army.” After that, he said, the judge signed paperwork granting him full U.S. citizenship on the spot. He was 25 years old.

[…]

Ah, the old days…

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BigPapa  Apr 16, 2017 • 1:49:00pm

Bernie criticism of Democrats? He’s not a Democrat. Rabid Berners talk trash incessantly about the DNC when they’re not plying conspiracy theories just as bad as the right.

Yet the DNC is supposed to take heed? Right.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 16, 2017 • 2:02:37pm

re: #18 goddamnedfrank

It’s always someone else’s fault. I’ve yet to see Bernie or his supporters take responsibility for a fucking thing.

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As an anthropologist and amateur semiotician, one of the thing’s that’s immediately bugging me about the new “leftism” is that it’s devoted it’s time to speaking to fellow believers, confirming (1) their inherent rightness, (2) how they are not party to anything being wrong in the US, (3) how they’ve been let down by “liberals. And they’re doing this by lapsing into the existing leftist hash of anarchist and Marxist lingo, which immediately takes them out of the cultural sphere of the people they’re supposed to be convincing. In other words, right now it’s all basically pud pulling.

Populism is about heightening emotional investment in concepts, putatively the fortify support for the latter. Problem is, the heightened emotion means the merger of self and abstraction. But ego investment results can result in suspension of skepticism, and/or deformation of the core concept to serve selfish needs. Basically, A is not motherfucking A from the get-go, and inventually some asshole is going to convince himself and or a small village in Guyana that A is B is A.

I’m also really disappointed to see people quoting Marx like Jules doing Ezekiel 25:17 in Pulp Fiction, precisely because I think Marx should be read and thought about, not fucking thrown about like “clobber text” scripture.

Honestly, I’m just…done. How matters as much as what you think. It’s why history is full of people with noble intentions creating pyramids of skulls.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 16, 2017 • 2:15:57pm

re: #26 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

By the way, my follow-up hot take is that we’ve learned the wrong lesson from the Tea Party: they didn’t succeed because they had solid principles, but the exact opposite: they ran entirely on goading anger versus the “other” and a willingness to import any notions or crackpot statement that maintained that sense of existential threat and corresponding heightened emotion.

…And furthermore, it was only a “win” in the technical sense, since the 50/50 ratio of crackpots and crooks have simply continued the trend of deforming their “beliefs” (ha-ha) to suits their cravings and whims…as have a bunch of the street level “populists” that simply delved deeper into the “alt right” and it’s version of stoked anger and perceived threat.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 16, 2017 • 2:19:35pm

re: #18 goddamnedfrank

It’s always someone else’s fault. I’ve yet to see Bernie or his supporters take responsibility for a fucking thing.

The rabid Berners gave the election to Trump and won’t acknowledge their role in the Democratic loss. They blame the supporters of Hillary for all the ills. Unless they see the light, we may continue to lose. History is littered with left wing movements falling to the right because the certain members of the left see others on their side as more of a threat than the real enemy. We may have more hope in persuading the WWC to switch their allegiance when Trump fails them.

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2017 • 2:30:43pm

I saw goddamned Frank compare Sanders to Trump.

I think one of the traits they now share is they have both gotten a taste of the national stage…and how profitable it can be.

Tie ego to money and you can get a monster. Monsters destroy things.

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Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2017 • 2:32:06pm

The “revolution” can never fail, it can only be failed. When a Berner loses, it’s not because Bernie and his cult did all of jack and shit to get them elected, it’d because of something the DNC did.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 16, 2017 • 2:34:20pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2017 • 2:37:14pm

re: #28 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

By the way, my follow-up hot take is that we’ve learned the wrong lesson from the Tea Party: they didn’t succeed because they had solid principles, but the exact opposite: they ran entirely on goading anger versus the “other” and a willingness to import any notions or crackpot statement that maintained that sense of existential threat and corresponding heightened emotion.

…And furthermore, it was only a “win” in the technical sense, since the 50/50 ratio of crackpots and crooks have simply continued the trend of deforming their “beliefs” (ha-ha) to suits their cravings and whims…as have a bunch of the street level “populists” that simply delved deeper into the “alt right” and it’s version of stoked anger and perceived threat.

Obama had barely taken office yet, and I saw outraged white people locally all up in arms.
These were fellow business owners, Chamber of Commerce people, state workers, and just regular working people.
And I just stared at them wondering what the hell was wrong with me that I had never recognized that unhinged hatred existed in my own neighborhood until the Tea Party took shape when a black person took office in the White House.

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SteveMcG RN  Apr 16, 2017 • 2:39:01pm

I’m no Berner but I still blame Clinton. She was the candidate and it was her job to win. She didn’t. Strong Democratic areas underperformed, notably SE Pennsylvania. I don’t blame the media because everybody knew what they were getting with Donald Trump. Clinton was solidly ahead on the polls and won the total vote handily. Problem was the votes that really mattered went to Trump. FWIW I also blame Kerry for losing in 2004. His campaign had such a tepid response to the Swiftboaters and as I remember that really was the factor in W’s win.
BTW, I have been hard on Hilary Clinton. For the record I never, EVER, engaged in the right’s smear campaign. In my eyes she was a terrific SoS (I’ll come back to that with an aside about the State Dept. later) and Senator. In my eyes failure is the responsibility of the boss. I don’t care if my press operator’s wife ran away with his best buddy and took his dog, and the trimmer’s allergies are in full bloom and the shipper is distracted by shiny objects. If bad parts made it out the door, it was my fault. When we closed in 2012, there were a million reasons, but none of them insurmountable. It was my fault my employees lost their jobs. The same goes for Clinton. There were many factors in the result of the campaign, but none of them were insurmountable.

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allegro  Apr 16, 2017 • 2:41:35pm

I’m hearing a scratch on that broken record.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 16, 2017 • 2:42:03pm
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PhillyPretzel  Apr 16, 2017 • 2:43:26pm

re: #36 GlutenFreeJesus

Those potatoes look good.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 16, 2017 • 2:45:51pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

West side of the same state, I saw the same damn thing.

Culture overtops the purported “reasoning” of politics because it informs the implicit assumptions that people treat as “normal.”

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freetoken  Apr 16, 2017 • 2:46:42pm

Chicks napping, while the cattle graze in the background:

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SteveMcG RN  Apr 16, 2017 • 2:49:31pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

I still see people who are disgusted by Barack Obama. Educated people even. The rationales I remember people giving for their scorn for President Obama, and their rationales for supporting any Republican, never could stand up against the slightest examination. (And you know I can really go after it). I used to think that the young people would grow up and outvote the older hateful people. I’ve learned better over the years that hate doesn’t just develop in childhood, it grows if you let it. I’ve had discussions with pre-Canaa groups (Catholic Church insist that engaged couples attend one before they get married so that they remember to keep the Catholic faith in their new families, but this appositive could overwhelm the post so I’ll leave it at that). The point I’m stumbling towards is that too often people stop growing by the time they get out of high school. They get into the routine of their careers and families and respond to the stimuli of the world with their teenaged worldview.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2017 • 2:49:47pm

re: #38 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

West side of the same state, I saw the same damn thing.

Culture overtops the purported “reasoning” of politics because it informs the implicit assumptions that people treat as “normal.”

It was actually so much self-loathing on their part if they ever took the time to really look at what they were all outraged about.
Because it’s pretty much all poor white people hereabouts in Appalachia, but it’s not the poor white people who have that identity crisis.

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BeachDem  Apr 16, 2017 • 2:51:29pm

re: #31 Targetpractice

The “revolution” can never fail, it can only be failed. When a Berner loses, it’s not because Bernie and his cult did all of jack and shit to get them elected, it’d because of something the DNC did.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 16, 2017 • 2:52:05pm

re: #37 PhillyPretzel

Those potatoes look good.

Pineapple and the juice. Put it in the pan to baste. :)

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 16, 2017 • 2:52:56pm

re: #43 GlutenFreeJesus

Okay. They look good too.

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2017 • 2:53:09pm

re: #34 SteveMcG RN

I’m no Berner but I still blame Clinton. She was the candidate and it was her job to win. She didn’t.

There were many factors in the result of the campaign, but none of them were insurmountable.

I don’t see how you or anyone can be so definitive.

If you can say she should have won, then the flip is Trump should have lost. One stance makes the other.

You cannot blame her for both her loss and his win because she didn’t control anything that led to his win.

Therefore something else entered the picture and caused the “should haves” to change.

I still think, and will always think to break down what happened, one must research what else entered the picture. It was stuff way out of the hands of the parties and campaigns.

Trump was as surprised he won as Clinton was she lost. Check all the reactions out of everyone the night of the election. The reactions of staffs, media, voters, everyone.

That tells me no one associated with the campaigns was expecting this because other elements entered the picture.

If any campaign is looking to what they need to do for the future, the work will be in understanding what happened this election. Books will be written. Political courses will be taught…once there is an understanding.

I’ve been saying this for awhile now, but I don’t want it to be a Clinton excuse. I want it to be a lesson. And I bet there are many political people that are still scratching their heads and doing all kinds of studies to figure out “what the hell is going on!”

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SteveMcG RN  Apr 16, 2017 • 2:53:31pm

re: #36 GlutenFreeJesus

Wait until you get the hang of it…

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2017 • 2:55:53pm

re: #35 allegro

I’m hearing a scratch on that broken record.

I am reminded of the first James Gang album where at the end the needle would hit that last groove and play over and over until you lifted the tone arm: “Play me again…Play me again…Play me again…

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wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2017 • 2:58:58pm

re: #35 allegro

I’m hearing a scratch on that broken record.

I’m drinking decaf, so there’s still only one scratch.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:00:33pm

Check out @MichelleVista’s Tweet:

Major success on our eggs!!!

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SteveMcG RN  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:00:58pm

re: #45 ObserverArt

Granted, it has to be a lesson. For my example of my responsibility for bad parts, there can be factors or events that are unforeseen. Nevertheless, anything other than my accepting total blame for the adverse occurrence is a cop out. You see the frustration with Berners. They blame everybody but Bernie.
As far as the Clinton campaign is concerned, the reason the Comey/email fracas at the end was a problem was because her lead, while overwhelming nationally, was fragile where it mattered. The professional politcos in the campaign (including Clinton) had the responsibility of facing what was going on. Millions of lives are at stake. I don’t think they took the campaign’s problems seriously enough. I made these arguments a year ago. They were valid then, the exact thing I warned would happen actually happened. And you’re mad at me?

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:10:04pm

The “Failing New York Times” thinks that by fellating Jared & Ivanka they can become “Not Failing”
VOMIT

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:11:20pm

So how’d that Easter egg thing at the White House go?

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:12:22pm

re: #52 GlutenFreeJesus

So how’d that Easter egg thing at the White House go?

It’s tomorrow.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:12:27pm

re: #52 GlutenFreeJesus

So how’d that Easter egg thing at the White House go?

Like a Trump family business venture.

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Skip Intro  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:12:30pm

re: #52 GlutenFreeJesus

So how’d that Easter egg thing at the White House go?

Tomorrow.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:13:13pm

Ok tomorrow. Oops. lol

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SteveMcG RN  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:13:45pm

re: #53 The Vicious Babushka

re: #55 Skip Intro

Seriously??? Not on Easter???

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Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:14:54pm

re: #52 GlutenFreeJesus

So how’d that Easter egg thing at the White House go?

No mention at all on Memorandum or the Google News front page. If an egg rolls in the woods, is the pope clapping?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:15:52pm

re: #48 wrenchwench

I’m drinking decaf, so there’s still only one scratch.

and it never stops the broken record itch…

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TedStriker  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:15:55pm

re: #57 SteveMcG RN

Seriously??? Not on Easter???

We are talking about the Trump administration here…

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:16:13pm

re: #50 SteveMcG RN

Granted, it has to be a lesson. For my example of my responsibility for bad parts, there can be factors or events that are unforeseen. Nevertheless, anything other than my accepting total blame for the adverse occurrence is a cop out. You see the frustration with Berners. They blame everybody but Bernie.
As far as the Clinton campaign is concerned, the reason the Comey/email fracas at the end was a problem was because her lead, while overwhelming nationally, was fragile where it mattered. The professional politcos in the campaign (including Clinton) had the responsibility of facing what was going on. Millions of lives are at stake. I don’t think they took the campaign’s problems seriously enough. I made these arguments a year ago. They were valid then, the exact thing I warned would happen actually happened. And you’re mad at me?

Oh, so your going to go victim on me.

Please tell me where I said anything that would make you think I am mad at you.

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wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:17:13pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

and it never stops the broken record itch…

There’s gotta be an emolument for that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:18:03pm

re: #62 wrenchwench

There’s gotta be an emolument for that.

I’m fairly certain there is a both-siders one…

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wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:19:31pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m fairly certain there is a both-siders one…

Good, ‘cause I think there’s a scratch on the other side, too.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:19:44pm

re: #57 SteveMcG RN

Seriously??? Not on Easter???

Tomorrow is Pasquetta, Little Easter, in Italy. It’s the semi-official start of the picnic season.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:20:22pm

re: #64 wrenchwench

Good, ‘cause I think there’s a scratch on the other side, too.

:D ;)

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:21:17pm

re: #64 wrenchwench

Good, ‘cause I think there’s a scratch on the other side, too.

Played so much it just wore through the vinyl.

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Skip Intro  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:21:31pm

re: #51 The Vicious Babushka

I wonder if there’s any level of corruption by the Trump crime family that will catch the notice of the media and the GOP. I no longer believe there is.

There certainly is no mechanism to in place to deal with people like the Trumps. A totally corrupt man backed by a totally corrupt political party and a media that loves the ratings it gets by televising a reality show of doings of the nation’s most powerful crime family.

I don’t see how we survive this. I expect to have Trumps in the WH for the rest of my life + 50 years.

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wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:22:19pm

re: #65 Decatur Deb

Tomorrow is Pasquetta, Little Easter, in Italy. It’s the semi-official start of the picnic season.

Speaking of semi-official starts, this was from a former employee on the book of the Face:

Everybody that gave up drinking for Lent. Welcome back! Your Bud Light is at the store where I left it for you, because I won’t drink that trash.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:23:04pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:23:08pm

re: #68 Skip Intro

Gotta be one of the most punchable faces ever.

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SteveMcG RN  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:23:58pm

re: #61 ObserverArt

I used the word “mad” figuratively. Very rarely does anybody actually engage the argument. They see “Clinton” in a post and stop right there. In fact, you even blew right past the things I wrote when you made your case, which was addressed in the post that you responded to. My argument was that her campaign did not deal with the problem that they were depending too much on Obama voters in key parts of swing states. And they damn well should know what happens when you depend on Democratic voter turnout. I also made the argument that the boss is the ultimate responsible party. I alone bear the responsibility for my failure, but many paid the price. My failure put a couple dozen people out of work. Her failure put millions of lives at risk.

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Skip Intro  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:24:06pm

re: #71 Eclectic Cyborg

Gotta be one of the most punchable faces ever.

The living definition of a deplorable.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:24:10pm

re: #70 goddamnedfrank

Samuel L Jacksons character would have been way different.

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wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:24:57pm

Gotta go flip the CD….

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:25:09pm

re: #70 goddamnedfrank

K Billy Supersounds of the Seventies is the only radio station that reaches Isla Nublar.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:25:12pm

oh jeebus, the expertspalining continues…

good fucking grief…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:25:48pm

re: #72 SteveMcG RN

I used the word “mad” figuratively. Very rarely does anybody actually engage the argument. They see “Clinton” in a post and stop right there. In fact, you even blew right past the things I wrote when you made your case, which was addressed in the post that you responded to. My argument was that her campaign did not deal with the problem that they were depending too much on Obama voters in key parts of swing states. And they damn well should know what happens when you depend on Democratic voter turnout. I also made the argument that the boss is the ultimate responsible party. I alone bear the responsibility for my failure, but many paid the price. My failure put a couple dozen people out of work. Her failure put millions of lives at risk.

Really you need to just back the fuck off now.

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SteveMcG RN  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:27:30pm

re: #65 Decatur Deb

Tomorrow is Pasquetta, Little Easter, in Italy. It’s the semi-official start of the picnic season.

You know, I’m all in favor of knowing obscure stuff, but where on Earth did you learn that? Somewhere along the line, somebody must have said to you, “Oh no we’ll have a picnic tomorrow, on a work day, because that’s the unofficial start of the picnic season.” And after all these years, the password for the Swiss bank account you wish you could remember is gone, but that remains engraved in your brain.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:27:44pm

re: #70 goddamnedfrank

IS MARCELLUS WALLACE A CLEVER GIRL?

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Pineapple Pizza  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:28:44pm

re: #51 The Vicious Babushka

The New York Times ✔ @nytimes
More openly than any president before him, Trump is running his West Wing like a family business

A “family business” like the Genovese family or the Gambino family?

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:30:12pm

re: #70 goddamnedfrank

One of the velociraptors is an undercover cop.

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:30:15pm

re: #72 SteveMcG RN

I used the word “mad” figuratively. Very rarely does anybody actually engage the argument. They see “Clinton” in a post and stop right there. In fact, you even blew right past the things I wrote when you made your case, which was addressed in the post that you responded to. My argument was that her campaign did not deal with the problem that they were depending too much on Obama voters in key parts of swing states. And they damn well should know what happens when you depend on Democratic voter turnout. I also made the argument that the boss is the ultimate responsible party. I alone bear the responsibility for my failure, but many paid the price. My failure put a couple dozen people out of work. Her failure put millions of lives at risk.

Oh brother. Victim all the way.

You want to be untouchable. And an excuse maker.

We remember you tried to plead for Democrats to vote Republican in the primaries to prevent Trump and stop the Republican from eating themselves alive.

I guess we blew right by that too.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:30:21pm

re: #81 Pineapple Pizza

Like Joey Merlino.

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Interesting Times  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:31:36pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

I finally found the pre-election article I mentioned the other day that explains everything:

Naturally, a Clinton critic would attribute the lack of passion to Clinton’s weaknesses as a candidate. That’s surely some of it. But Wachs sees deeper, more elemental drives at work. She notes that for some people, fear of Trump translates into fury at Clinton. “There’s a lot of blame on Hillary, the way you would blame your mother for something going wrong in the world,” Wachs says. “People blame Hillary for not being a better candidate. How can it be that he’s able to be a good candidate?”

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SteveMcG RN  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:32:44pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

Really you need to just back the fuck off now.

Oh really, I keep hearing he’s going to start a nuclear war, which is actually something I don’t buy. However, I believe his bungling very well could lead to the North Koreans attacking South Korea, and that puts millions of people in Seoul at risk.
I also believe his bungling could lead to open war between Russia and The Ukraine, again putting millions at risk.
I’m willing to back off, but I need a reason better than “You need to back the fuck off now”
Show me where I’m wrong.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:32:48pm

re: #83 ObserverArt

Oh brother. Victim all the way.

You want to be untouchable. And an excuse maker.

We remember you tried to plead for Democrats to vote Republican in the primaries to prevent Trump and stop the Republican from eating themselves alive.

I guess we blew right by that too.

yeah, because we’re all stupid enablers who want to keep our free stuff because we’re not business owners…

Oh…wait just a minute….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:34:22pm

re: #86 SteveMcG RN

Oh really, I keep hearing he’s going to start a nuclear war, which is actually something I don’t buy. However, I believe his bungling very well could lead to the North Koreans attacking South Korea, and that puts millions of people in Seoul at risk.
I also believe his bungling could lead to open war between Russia and The Ukraine, again putting millions at risk.
I’m willing to back off, but I need a reason better than “You need to back the fuck off now”
Show me where I’m wrong.

LOLOLOfuckingL

You never disappoint in how predictable you are.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:34:47pm

re: #79 SteveMcG RN

You know, I’m all in favor of knowing obscure stuff, but where on Earth did you learn that? Somewhere along the line, somebody must have said to you, “Oh no we’ll have a picnic tomorrow, on a work day, because that’s the unofficial start of the picnic season.” And after all these years, the password for the Swiss bank account you wish you could remember is gone, but that remains engraved in your brain.

It’s when we picnic’ed with our neighbors at Pra’ del Giglio (Field of Lilies).

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Skip Intro  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:35:21pm

I can tell you who lost the last election. It was the millions of Democrats who just couldn’t be bothered to go vote. I don’t care what their reasons were, they gave the country to the freak show that’s running it now.

Not voting fucks up things for everybody, something the Dems have never learned. Now it’s probably too late, but that probably doesn’t matter because given another chance they’d do the same thing again.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:35:35pm

re: #82 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

One of the velociraptors is an undercover cop.

Jeff Goldblum has a raging smack addiction.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:36:09pm

re: #89 Decatur Deb

That is beautiful.

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:36:48pm

I would suggest that millions put themselves at risk by voting for Trump. And by doing that they put this country at risk.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:37:28pm

re: #72 SteveMcG RN

I used the word “mad” figuratively. Very rarely does anybody actually engage the argument. They see “Clinton” in a post and stop right there. In fact, you even blew right past the things I wrote when you made your case, which was addressed in the post that you responded to. My argument was that her campaign did not deal with the problem that they were depending too much on Obama voters in key parts of swing states. And they damn well should know what happens when you depend on Democratic voter turnout. I also made the argument that the boss is the ultimate responsible party. I alone bear the responsibility for my failure, but many paid the price. My failure put a couple dozen people out of work. Her failure put millions of lives at risk.

You know who I blame for Clinton’s loss? Trump voters, Stein voters, McMullin voters, and nonvoters.

The first are either racist, sexist, Islamophobes or they’re comfortable with all of those.

The second two really only pretended Trump was too awful to be elected President, because they didn’t do what they could to prevent it.

The last? Well, they didn’t care enough to do anything about anything.

I’m tired of people blaming the candidates for not being good enough, and not putting the responsibility where it really belongs - with the voters. I get enough of that noise from my idiot brother, who somehow thinks voters aren’t responsible for the results of their votes, that instead the campaigns are responsible for making them feel good enough about voting for them.

Are we children?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:37:42pm

re: #90 Skip Intro

I can tell you who lost the last election. It was the millions of Democrats who just couldn’t be bothered to go vote. I don’t care what their reasons were, they gave the country to the freak show that’s running it now.

Not voting fucks up things for everybody, something the Dems have never learned. Now it’s probably too late, but that probably doesn’t matter because given another chance they’d do the same thing again.

The voter suppression efforts in combination with the BoB and JillNotHill voters in key states were more a part of that.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:37:52pm

re: #92 PhillyPretzel

That is beautiful.

There’s a ruined church with bits of fresco. When I hit the lottery I’m going to fix it up and live in it.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:38:30pm

re: #91 goddamnedfrank

If ever there was a character who could wander into a Tarantinoesque rant, it would be Dr Malcolm. The first half would be chaos theory, the second half would be about John Woo films.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:38:54pm

re: #72 SteveMcG RN

I used the word “mad” figuratively. Very rarely does anybody actually engage the argument. They see “Clinton” in a post and stop right there. In fact, you even blew right past the things I wrote when you made your case, which was addressed in the post that you responded to. My argument was that her campaign did not deal with the problem that they were depending too much on Obama voters in key parts of swing states. And they damn well should know what happens when you depend on Democratic voter turnout. I also made the argument that the boss is the ultimate responsible party. I alone bear the responsibility for my failure, but many paid the price. My failure put a couple dozen people out of work. Her failure put millions of lives at risk.

Dude, “her campaign” spent millions of dollars and hours of time trying to get people to vote.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:39:07pm

re: #96 Decatur Deb

There’s a ruined church with bits of fresco. When I hit the lottery I’m going to fix it up and live in it.

Ruined, eh? With bits of fresco? You could live in it now, al fresco.
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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:39:29pm

re: #91 goddamnedfrank

That said, someone using a Sharpie to put a red X on the Tyrannosaurus’s chest before plunging a needle of adrenaline into it…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:40:05pm

re: #98 Timothy Watson

Dude, “her campaign” spent millions of dollars and hours of time trying to get people to vote.

You are harshing his outrage…

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SteveMcG RN  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:40:56pm

re: #83 ObserverArt

When I urged everybody to join the Republican Party to primary their incumbents, I sort of did that tongue in cheek. My closing line was “Let’s send those Dixiecrats back where they came from - the Democratic Party”
I did say in seriousness, however, that our country is based on a two party system, for better or worse, and the party with the most power is totally disfunctional.
I remain registered R in the vain hope that I can vote against Pat Toomey in a primary. Other than that, I haven’t voted for a Republican since Arlen Spector (or maybe it was Thatcher Longstreth, a city councilman)
Strangely enough, nobody acknowledged the part that we need two functioning political parties for out govt to work.

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:42:21pm

re: #86 SteveMcG RN

Oh really, I keep hearing he’s going to start a nuclear war, which is actually something I don’t buy. However, I believe his bungling very well could lead to the North Koreans attacking South Korea, and that puts millions of people in Seoul at risk.
I also believe his bungling could lead to open war between Russia and The Ukraine, again putting millions at risk.
I’m willing to back off, but I need a reason better than “You need to back the fuck off now”
Show me where I’m wrong.

You can’t show someone who can never be wrong they are in fact wrong.

This post of yours is a great display of intellectual dishonesty. You place no blame on Trump’s actions on Trump, or the Republican party that is enabling him (like you are). But you can hang it all on Clinton.

You ever going to place any blame on them and the people that voted for Trump…ever?

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:42:44pm

re: #102 SteveMcG RN

Thatcher and “Darlin’” Arlen? That was close to 10 years ago. And the last time “Darlin’” Arlen ran he did it as a Democrat.

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darthstar  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:42:45pm

re: #18 goddamnedfrank

It’s always someone else’s fault. I’ve yet to see Bernie or his supporters take responsibility for a fucking thing.

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Okay, fine…we lost the general election. We screwed up by throwing the primary at the last second. But our opponent was such a victim we would have felt guilty winning…

Seriously, give up the Bernie hate already. He’s not the enemy you seek. And it’s fucking boring.

Yeah, he ran and almost beat Hillary in the primary—big fuckin’ deal…she won anyway. And he campaigned for her in the general. And he’s embracing the new DNC chair in an effort to put the past of being bitter losers behind us. And he’s still a Senator so he still has a voice in our politics, and we need him to help fight against Trump.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:43:09pm

JFC that live FB shooting of the old man. WTGDF is wrong with people???

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:44:34pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

You are harshing his outrage…

Clinton’s failure was that she treated the electorate as if we were grownups. She didn’t promise we’d all have our old jobs back, she didn’t promise it would all be easy, she didn’t pretend only she knew how to fix things, and she didn’t point the finger of blame at any particular group. Turns out she overestimated us.

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darthstar  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:44:50pm

re: #106 GlutenFreeJesus

JFC that live FB shooting of the old man. WTGDF is wrong with people???

Didn’t hear about this and don’t want to see it - not even a fuckn’ link. I hope FB deleted it and any copies made.

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Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:45:21pm

re: #105 darthstar

Okay, fine…we lost the general election. We screwed up by throwing the primary at the last second. But our opponent was such a victim we would have felt guilty winning…

Seriously, give up the Bernie hate already. He’s not the enemy you seek. And it’s fucking boring.

Yeah, he ran and almost beat Hillary in the primary—big fuckin’ deal…she won anyway. And he campaigned for her in the general. And he’s embracing the new DNC chair in an effort to put the past of being bitter losers behind us. And he’s still a Senator so he still has a voice in our politics, and we need him to help fight against Trump.

Right, so when does he stop own-goaling the party that he has again separated himself from to help in the fight against Trump?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:45:47pm

re: #105 darthstar

Okay, fine…we lost the general election. We screwed up by throwing the primary at the last second. But our opponent was such a victim we would have felt guilty winning…

Seriously, give up the Bernie hate already. He’s not the enemy you seek. And it’s fucking boring.

Yeah, he ran and almost beat Hillary in the primary—big fuckin’ deal…she won anyway. And he campaigned for her in the general. And he’s embracing the new DNC chair in an effort to put the past of being bitter losers behind us. And he’s still a Senator so he still has a voice in our politics, and we need him to help fight against Trump.

LOL…
I’ll give up on the Bernie hate when he stops hating on the Democratic party and when Bernie supporters who claim they are not Berniebros stop the pathetic Hillary snark.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:48:10pm

re: #108 darthstar

Happened in Cleveland and the asshole is still on the loose. FB just needs to end the live broadcast feature.

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Skip Intro  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:48:23pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

The voter suppression efforts in combination with the BoB and JillNotHill voters in key states were more a part of that.

Whoever decided to let Bernie run in a Dem primary has a lot to answer for. There was no justification at all for that. If Hillary made that decision then she made the stupidest choice of her entire life.

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Skip Intro  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:49:13pm

re: #109 Targetpractice

Right, so when does he stop own-goaling the party that he has again separated himself from to help in the fight against Trump?

Never. It’s all about Bernie. It’s always all about Bernie.

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darthstar  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:53:15pm

Novena candles from our new brewpub - Sacrilege Brewery Project - in Half Moon Bay.

I love irony.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:54:39pm

yep…I’ve had enough of stupid self-proclaimed ballbuster for now.

Be back in a couple hours or so….

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SteveMcG RN  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:55:08pm

re: #103 ObserverArt

I gave you my perspective. Failure is the responsibility of those at the top. A lot of players can share the blame. I personally think the biggest factor was the mediocre turnout in key areas of swing states. That turnout was diminished by the spreading of fake news, magical balance fairies especially. I know quite a few coworkers who voted third party because they took Clinton’s win for granted but they wanted that third party to qualify for funding. I’m not shy in saying that we had a national spasm of idiocy this season. However, I still believe that the campaign should have known what was going to happen. It’s their freaking jobs! I expect people to do their freaking jobs.

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SteveMcG RN  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:55:49pm

re: #107 Blind Frog Belly White

I happen to agree.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:56:53pm

re: #112 Skip Intro

Whoever decided to let Bernie run in a Dem primary has a lot to answer for. There was no justification at all for that. If Hillary made that decision then she made the stupidest choice of her entire life.

The problem with Bernie is less Bernie than it is his idiot supporters. It’s not enough to say, “We want someone more to the left than Hillary”. No, she had to become Hillary Clinton, Corporate Shill And Warmonger!

And because so many of his supporters are privileged brats, they couldn’t take losing, and had to cast it as being cheated out of their pony rightful victory.

The game wasn’t rigged. If anything, the rules favored Sanders TOO MUCH. Why should primaries be open? Why should you have a say in who a party nominates if you’re too good, too noble, too pure to sully yourself by registering as a member of that party?

Sanders isn’t perfect by a long way. He’s egotistical, he got sucked in by the adulation and waited too long to concede and throw his weight behind Clinton. But his supporters who had to whine and whine about how they were voting under protest and that Clinton was such a flawed candidate - or worse, went for Stein? Fuck them. selfish, entitled children.

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:57:05pm

If anyone wants to know what problems the Democrats really have…all they need to do is read this thread.

I keep mentioning this election was a perfect storm. I think two of the fronts that can lead to a perfect storm are evident right now.

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SteveMcG RN  Apr 16, 2017 • 3:58:53pm

re: #112 Skip Intro

Whoever decided to let Bernie run in a Dem primary has a lot to answer for. There was no justification at all for that. If Hillary made that decision then she made the stupidest choice of her entire life.

Bernie could not have been prevented from running in a primary. Once he registered and followed the rules, the Party had no grounds to exclude him. Besides as much as people believe that the DNC somehow “fixed” the primaries, could you imagine if they had locked him out? I think it would have been worse.

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SteveMcG RN  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:00:24pm

re: #119 ObserverArt

I still believe the Democrats’ biggest problem is Democratic voters. Until somebody can move them off their asses, you can expect a disappointing 2018

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:00:38pm

re: #112 Skip Intro

Whoever decided to let Bernie run in a Dem primary has a lot to answer for. There was no justification at all for that. If Hillary made that decision then she made the stupidest choice of her entire life.

Hahahaa.

And that would probably be Debbie Wasserman Shultz. And guess who the Berners hate the most???

(Not laughing at you…)

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darthstar  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:01:24pm

re: #109 Targetpractice

Right, so when does he stop own-goaling the party that he has again separated himself from to help in the fight against Trump?

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL…
I’ll give up on the Bernie hate when he stops hating on the Democratic party and when Bernie supporters who claim they are not Berniebros stop the pathetic Hillary snark.

It’s not hate. He simply stated some basic facts: The Democratic party didn’t contribute to KS-04 - that was a strategic decision on their part. Disagree with them if you must…personally, I think he was off the mark here - getting involved nationally would have only helped the GOP candidate in KS-04 because the DNC/DCCC is a fucked up pair of entities right now and they would have screwed the pooch. What he needed was a little silent money to help GOTV and he might have pulled off the Hail Mary and won the race…but definitely not a huge opportunity.

Back to Bernie - I disagree on KS-04…if it was on his radar he should have made a trip out to KS…but he didn’t, because it’s fucking Kansas.

As far as ‘own goaling’ his party goes, he’s not the biggest problem Democrats have right now…he’s a voice that gets attention. Maybe working with him to escalate messaging might be a better strategy than leaving him out there as the only consistent progressive voice against Trump. Everyone else is split between hating Trump and hating Sanders…why does that make sense?

Remember, this is politics - you don’t have to, nor should you necessarily - love the person fighting for you in government. Take any personal animosity against Sanders and shove it right up there in the collective sphincter of outrage next to my animosity toward Clinton. It’s not helpful…trust me. Or don’t. Doesn’t matter. We’re all just Internet noise at the end of the day.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:01:24pm

re: #114 darthstar

Novena candles from our new brewpub - Sacrilege Brewery Project - in Half Moon Bay.

I love irony.

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Gangbangers drink free, right?

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darthstar  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:02:48pm

re: #124 Decatur Deb

Gangbangers drink free, right?

This place caters to families and hipsters. We do have a few gang bangers in HMB, but they usually head over the hill to San Mateo to get arrested for doing stupid shit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:03:46pm

re: #108 darthstar

Didn’t hear about this and don’t want to see it - not even a fuckn’ link. I hope FB deleted it and any copies made.

Too late. All over the net now…

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SteveMcG RN  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:03:46pm

re: #123 darthstar

My gut feeling is that the DNCC was relying more on Republican apathy for the win. I think a more active Democratic Party presence may have galvanized the Republicans. Never underestimate the value of hate.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:03:53pm

re: #125 darthstar

This place caters to families and hipsters. We do have a few gang bangers in HMB, but they usually head over the hill to San Mateo to get arrested for doing stupid shit.

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:04:31pm

Darth, do you think Bernie should be a full-time Democratic Party member?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:05:33pm

re: #119 ObserverArt

If anyone wants to know what problems the Democrats really have…all they need to do is read this thread.

I keep mentioning this election was a perfect storm. I think two of the fronts that can lead to a perfect storm are evident right now.

I’ve said this over and over. The Tea Party started out putting up candidates all over the place, from dogcatcher to President. They primaried a bunch of fairly Conservative folks. And the first time, they lost a lot of primaries, and won some that cost them the general

And whether they lost the primary or not, they treated the nominee as the only possible choice, and worked tirelessly to get them elected, and the came out and voted.

They did this in 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2016, and here we are, with the Tea Party President, a GOP Congress and a GOP Senate, both largely controlled by the Tea Party.

If Progressives had cared as much as the Tea Party does, Clinton would be President, the Senate would be Democratic, and the Congress would be a lot closer.

But they don’t.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:06:37pm

re: #125 darthstar

This place caters to families and hipsters. We do have a few gang bangers in HMB, but they usually head over the hill to San Mateo to get arrested for doing stupid shit.

Yeah. Thanks for that.
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Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:07:31pm

re: #123 darthstar

It’s not hate. He simply stated some basic facts: The Democratic party didn’t contribute to KS-04 - that was a strategic decision on their part. Disagree with them if you must…personally, I think he was off the mark here - getting involved nationally would have only helped the GOP candidate in KS-04 because the DNC/DCCC is a fucked up pair of entities right now and they would have screwed the pooch. What he needed was a little silent money to help GOTV and he might have pulled off the Hail Mary and won the race…but definitely not a huge opportunity.

Back to Bernie - I disagree on KS-04…if it was on his radar he should have made a trip out to KS…but he didn’t, because it’s fucking Kansas.

As far as ‘own goaling’ his party goes, he’s not the biggest problem Democrats have right now…he’s a voice that gets attention. Maybe working with him to escalate messaging might be a better strategy than leaving him out there as the only consistent progressive voice against Trump. Everyone else is split between hating Trump and hating Sanders…why does that make sense?

Remember, this is politics - you don’t have to, nor should you necessarily - love the person fighting for you in government. Take any personal animosity against Sanders and shove it right up there in the collective sphincter of outrage next to my animosity toward Clinton. It’s not helpful…trust me. Or don’t. Doesn’t matter. We’re all just Internet noise at the end of the day.

Darth, don’t bullshit me because I’m not in the mood. You know what Sanders has been doing since he lost because you’ve been on Twitter nodding along to it. He’s still out there spreading the Gospel of Bernie, telling folks that the key to future Dem electoral victories is to bring the “White Working Class” back into the fold by ditching “identity politics.” That the DNC lost because they didn’t do enough to address the “anxiety” of the WWC. And in so many ways basically saying the only reason the DNC lost last year is because he wasn’t nominated. He’s already back to branding himself as a party outsider, running next year as an “independent” while he preaches about the ills of a party he holds no loyalty to. His remarks about KS-04 pretty much fit the mold we’re familiar with: The only way the “revolution” can succeed is by co-opting the DNC, running on the party’s money, and if it fails then the party is responsible.

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Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:09:28pm

re: #130 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve said this over and over. The Tea Party started out putting up candidates all over the place, from dogcatcher to President. They primaried a bunch of fairly Conservative folks. And the first time, they lost a lot of primaries, and won some that cost them the general

And whether they lost the primary or not, they treated the nominee as the only possible choice, and worked tirelessly to get them elected, and the came out and voted.

They did this in 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2016, and here we are, with the Tea Party President, a GOP Congress and a GOP Senate, both largely controlled by the Tea Party.

If Progressives had cared as much as the Tea Party does, Clinton would be President, the Senate would be Democratic, and the Congress would be a lot closer.

But they don’t.

The Bros try to present themselves as the liberal answer to the Tea Party. But the Tea Party will do what it can to ensure that a Republican wins an election. The Bros want their purity pony and when they don’t get it, they sit home and pout about how they totally would have won if only people had done things their way.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:10:27pm

re: #132 Targetpractice

Darth, don’t bullshit me because I’m not in the mood. You know what Sanders has been doing since he lost because you’ve been on Twitter nodding along to it. He’s still out there spreading the Gospel of Bernie, telling folks that the key to future Dem electoral victories is to bring the “White Working Class” back into the fold by ditching “identity politics.” That the DNC lost because they didn’t do enough to address the “anxiety” of the WWC. And in so many ways basically saying the only reason the DNC lost last year is because he wasn’t nominated. He’s already back to branding himself as a party outsider, running next year as an “independent” while he preaches about the ills of a party he holds no loyalty to. His remarks about KS-04 pretty much fit the mold we’re familiar with: The only way the “revolution” can succeed is by co-opting the DNC, running on the party’s money, and if it fails then the party is responsible.

To straight, white men, it’s ‘Identity Politics’. To everyone else, it’s trying to bring an end to the REAL identity politics, so that your identity doesn’t impact your rights or your opportunities.

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SteveMcG RN  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:11:10pm

She Who Must Be Obeyed (and now has only nine piggies and is non weightbearing) has called. Gotta go.

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darthstar  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:11:50pm

re: #129 ObserverArt

Darth, do you think Bernie should be a full-time Democratic Party member?

No. I think adhering to labels for the sake of counting is a terrible way of assessing who is/isn’t with you on specific issues. Go on their behavior and their record. And that’s not to say Bernie is perfect in this regard - but he’s still one of the most progressive Senators we have.

Blue dog Democrats disappointed the fuck out of me during the Bush years. Yeah, they had D next to their names, but they voted nearly 80% with that fucker and helped him pass shitty legislation.

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darthstar  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:16:30pm

re: #132 Targetpractice

Darth, don’t bullshit me because I’m not in the mood. You know what Sanders has been doing since he lost because you’ve been on Twitter nodding along to it. He’s still out there spreading the Gospel of Bernie, telling folks that the key to future Dem electoral victories is to bring the “White Working Class” back into the fold by ditching “identity politics.” That the DNC lost because they didn’t do enough to address the “anxiety” of the WWC. And in so many ways basically saying the only reason the DNC lost last year is because he wasn’t nominated. He’s already back to branding himself as a party outsider, running next year as an “independent” while he preaches about the ills of a party he holds no loyalty to. His remarks about KS-04 pretty much fit the mold we’re familiar with: The only way the “revolution” can succeed is by co-opting the DNC, running on the party’s money, and if it fails then the party is responsible.

Okay, you have a point…he’s a bit of a self-promoter…who isn’t in politics? As far as WWC voters go, the Democrats probably still be fucking up that balance in 2020 because they’re a party run primarily by white people. Sure, they have MORE POC than the Republicans, but so does the Green Party.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:17:05pm

re: #123 darthstar

It’s not hate. He simply stated some basic facts: The Democratic party didn’t contribute to KS-04 - that was a strategic decision on their part.

As usual you take his word on faith without actually doing any of your own research. Records show DNC gave at least $3000 to Thompson’s campaign. Bernie’s Our America PAC gave $900. So he’s bitching about DNC not doing anything when they not only did, but in fact contributed several times more than either Bernie or his PAC.

I wonder, exactly how many times do you need to find out you’ve been misled by Sanders about such material background facts before the sheer repetition worms its way into your analysis & decision making paradigm? I only ask since embarrassment doesn’t seem to be doing the fucking job.

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wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:17:09pm

re: #136 darthstar

No. I think adhering to labels for the sake of counting is a terrible way of assessing who is/isn’t with you on specific issues. Go on their behavior and their record. And that’s not to say Bernie is perfect in this regard - but he’s still one of the most progressive Senators we have.

It’s not a ‘label’. It’s a membership. A commitment. Bernie should be committed.

/half, and no more.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:20:06pm

re: #139 wrenchwench

It’s not a ‘label’. It’s a membership. A commitment. Bernie should be committed.

/half, and no more.

It’s the difference between sniping from the sidelines and getting in under the basket and throwing elbows.

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Skip Intro  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:20:54pm

re: #120 SteveMcG RN

Did he register, be he sure as hell never changed his party affiliation on his web site.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:21:05pm

re: #139 wrenchwench

It’s not a ‘label’. It’s a membership. A commitment. Bernie should be committed.

/half, and no more.

It’s also something he said he’d do that he’s failed to follow through on. Something really fucking simple. Just like he promised he would release his full tax returns, and never did.

Another thing he has in common with Trump, his supporters just don’t care how many times he’s flagrantly lied to them.

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Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:22:01pm

re: #137 darthstar

Okay, you have a point…he’s a bit of a self-promoter…who isn’t in politics? As far as WWC voters go, the Democrats probably still be fucking up that balance in 2020 because they’re a party run primarily by white people. Sure, they have MORE POC than the Republicans, but so does the Green Party.

That’s 95% of what he does, Darth, promote himself as some sort of messiah for the DNC. The other 5% of the time is spent promoting ideas that even his own supporters are not willing to pay for. They live in this fantasy world where we can get all the funding we need for a far-left “revolution” from simply taxing the rich. It’s become so pathetic that his supporters had to credit him for “leadership” on the defeat of Trumpcare, when not a single Democrat supported it and he was too busy browbeating Dems for not abandoning “identity politics.”

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wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:23:11pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s the difference between sniping from the sidelines and getting in under the basket and throwing elbows.

Hold on, let me get my eye protection.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:23:14pm

re: #143 Targetpractice

It’s become so pathetic that his supporters had to credit him for “leadership” on the defeat of Trumpcare, when not a single Democrat supported it and he was too busy browbeating Dems for not abandoning “identity politics.”

Also the defeat took place in the House, not the Senate. He literally wasn’t involved at all.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:24:01pm

re: #139 wrenchwench

It’s not a ‘label’. It’s a membership. A commitment. Bernie should be committed.

/half, and no more.

Bernie should be on a pleasant island, writing his memoirs for the rising generation.
HRC should be on the next island over.

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Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:24:29pm

re: #145 goddamnedfrank

Also the defeat took place in the House, not the Senate. He literally wasn’t involved at all.

It fits with his “accomplishments”: “I voted for a bill (that 90% of other Democrats voted for)” or “I voted to defeat a bill (that has no chance of succeeding).”

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TedStriker  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:25:11pm

re: #141 Skip Intro

Did he register, be he sure as hell never changed his party affiliation on his web site.

He did in order to run last year, but officially went back to being an “independant” shortly after Trump won.

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wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:25:42pm

re: #146 Decatur Deb

Bernie should be on a pleasant island, writing his memoirs for the rising generation.
HRC should be one island over.

Hold on, let me get my isle protection.

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Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:27:34pm

re: #148 TedStriker

He did in order to run last year, but officially went back to being an “independant” shortly after Trump won.

He filed the paperwork to run as an indie in 2018 last year, almost concurrent with his conceding the primary. But we were told at the time that it was a formality, that he was still a Democrat and still supported the party.

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wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:27:53pm

OK, I got my file protection. Just e-filed for an extension.

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wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:36:50pm
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freetoken  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:36:53pm

re: #151 wrenchwench

Taxes are paid… my wallet is lighter…

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Skip Intro  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:39:31pm

re: #153 freetoken

Taxes are paid… my wallet is lighter…

The Trumps are laughing at you.

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freetoken  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:41:06pm

Lots of disgruntled folk over the election … but I think we need to keep our collective eyes on the real ball.

Trump not only won by whistling more whistles than the Shriners in a parade, but he did so by explicitly reaching out to the less educated the unfortunate.

It’s not a novel thing, but it nevertheless was unusual for a Presidential candidate.

What does this tell us?

I do wonder whether escapism (television, such as reality tv) has pushed us over the edge.

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Targetpractice  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:43:43pm

re: #155 freetoken

Lots of disgruntled folk over the election … but I think we need to keep our collective eyes on the real ball.

Trump not only won by whistling more whistles than the Shriners in a parade, but he did so by explicitly reaching out to the less educated the unfortunate.

It’s not a novel thing, but it nevertheless was unusual for a Presidential candidate.

What does this tell us?

I do wonder whether escapism (television, such as reality tv) has pushed us over the edge.

Trump won in part because he was able to exploit “misgivings” about Hillary, many of them planted or nurtured by the Sanders campaign. After all, it wasn’t the Trump campaign that came up with demands for her speech transcripts. Or reversed itself from “nobody cares about [your] emails” to “that’s a concern.”

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:44:46pm

If being a Democrat is a label and a formality, why does Bernie blame Democrats? He seems to like to level that label to blame. Why doesn’t he say liberals or progressives. Maybe because he wants to use the label when convenient…like he used the party to run.

I just love creative excuse making. It shows the character of people.

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stpaulbear  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:45:27pm

re: #153 freetoken

Taxes are paid… my wallet is lighter…

Last year I was ticked off that I had to write a tax check to MN for $4.00. This year I was more ticked off that I had to write a check to MN for $2.00. At some point they should just let it carry into the next year because it costs more to process than the value of the check.

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wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:46:15pm

re: #155 freetoken

I do wonder whether escapism (television, such as reality tv) has pushed us over the edge.

I think it’s the failure to distinguish between ‘reality’ and ‘tv’.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:55:32pm

re: #157 ObserverArt

If being a Democrat is a label and a formality, why does Bernie blame Democrats? He seems to like to level that label to blame. Why doesn’t he say liberals or progressives. Maybe because he wants to use the label when convenient…like he used the party to run.

I just love creative excuse making. It shows the character of people.

I think it’s because by blaming the party establishment, he’s able to exploit frustrations legitimate or not that progressives/liberals may have with the DNC leadership. If he said liberals/progressives, he’d never get anywhere. Honestly, I’m tired of him trying to have it both ways. Just join the party already or stop acting like we should listen to you.

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freetoken  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:55:37pm

re: #156 Targetpractice

For Trump voters, they had to either explicitly agree with, or accept, his overt bigotry and cons.

That’s a lot to swallow.

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Lidane  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:56:38pm

Oh boy. This is going to be fun:

At a recent pretrial hearing, attorney Randall Wilhite told state District Judge Orlinda Naranjo that using his client Alex Jones’ on-air Infowars persona to evaluate Alex Jones as a father would be like judging Jack Nicholson in a custody dispute based on his performance as the Joker in “Batman.”

“He’s playing a character,” Wilhite said of Jones. “He is a performance artist.”

But in emotional testimony at the hearing, Kelly Jones, who is seeking to gain sole or joint custody of her three children with Alex Jones, portrayed the volcanic public figure as the real Alex Jones.

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TedStriker  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:57:06pm

re: #161 freetoken

For Trump voters, they had to either explicitly agree with, or accept, his overt bigotry and cons.

That’s a lot to swallow.

That’s what she said…

///

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:57:55pm

For what it’s worth, I wish Sanders would also stop acting like he’s the only one who understand white working class voters and that our losing them is some kind of awful tragedy. Those voters started running away from us in the Nixon years and it was due to Nixon and later Reagan exploiting their bigotries. Not every WWC voter is a bigot of course but Sanders ignores that bigotry definitely has played a role in why those voters have left the Democratic fold.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:58:35pm

re: #162 Lidane

Oh boy. This is going to be fun:

[Embedded content]

God can you imagine being his kid?

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Lidane  Apr 16, 2017 • 4:59:38pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

God can you imagine being his kid?

I can’t even imagine being his friend. Dude’s a raging nutbag and mentally unstable.

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2017 • 5:00:10pm

re: #162 Lidane

Oh boy. This is going to be fun:

[Embedded content]

If any of the Jones fans are worth their weight they would walk away from him for admitting he is an actor.

Can it be any clearer he uses them?

But it won’t happen. They need their hate and Alex Jones is their street corner dealer.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2017 • 5:00:38pm

re: #166 Lidane

I can’t even imagine being his friend. Dude’s a raging nutbag and mentally unstable.

Heh I know, right? I’m not surprised. He’s trying to argue he’s playing a character I see. I hoenstly don’t know but there’s definitely some mental instability there.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2017 • 5:01:36pm

re: #167 ObserverArt

If any of the Jones fans are worth their weight they would walk away from him for admitting he is an actor.

Can it be any clearer he uses them?

But it won’t happen. They need their hate and Alex Jones is their street corner dealer.

They’re so blatantly used. The same way Coulter, Limbaugh, and all their heroes use them. They’re all so obviously fake.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2017 • 5:02:18pm

Things I never thought would ever happen:
Get a sunburn canvassing.

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Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2017 • 5:02:41pm

Evening Lizards. What can I say? The passing of CL has left me speechless.

May she rest in peace.

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2017 • 5:05:31pm

re: #164 HappyWarrior

For what it’s worth, I wish Sanders would also stop acting like he’s the only one who understand white working class voters and that our losing them is some kind of awful tragedy. Those voters started running away from us in the Nixon years and it was due to Nixon and later Reagan exploiting their bigotries. Not every WWC voter is a bigot of course but Sanders ignores that bigotry definitely has played a role in why those voters have left the Democratic fold.

I suggest he has not ignored their bigotry.

Isn’t his way of saying stop catering to minorities and personal politics actually playing to the white working class’ bigotries?

They want it to be all about them And he caters to it.

It might also be why he doesn’t want to be a Democrat…as you’ve said he plays it like he is the only one that understands the white working class. He hangs that on the Democrats as a historic problem. A problem many whites also see as they are threatened by minorities getting too much of their cake.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2017 • 5:10:00pm

re: #172 ObserverArt

I suggest he has not ignored their bigotry.

Isn’t his way of saying stop catering to minorities and personal politics actually playing to the white working class’ bigotries?

They want it to be all about them And he caters to it.

It might also be why he doesn’t want to be a Democrat…as you’ve said he plays it like he is the only one that understands the white working class. He hangs that on the Democrats as a historic problem. A problem many whites also see as they are threatened by minorities getting too much of their cake.

You may be right there. I definitely don’t like the way he writes off the concerns of minority communities. Easy to do when you represent such a predominately white state I guess. The Vermont NAACP was not too kind in their accessment of him. I don’t think Sanders is a racist or bigot but I definitely think he’s shown an indifference to many important parts of the Democratic base because he wants to chase that WWC pony.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2017 • 5:12:33pm

The thing is immigrant communities and their families are our nation’s future. We shouldn’t ignore communities that have lost jobs due to jobs going overseas but I don’t believe in lying to them or pandering ot their resentments either. I think Clinton actually did try to impress issues important but many of them wanted to hear promises to reverse trade deals and return jobs long gone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2017 • 5:16:29pm

re: #142 goddamnedfrank

It’s also something he said he’d do that he’s failed to follow through on. Something really fucking simple. Just like he promised he would release his full tax returns, and never did.

Another thing he has in common with Trump, his supporters just don’t care how many times he’s flagrantly lied to them.

Doesn’t matter because purity ponies and those emails…

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Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2017 • 5:40:58pm

Season 3 of The Leftovers starts in a bit. Those mofos better not punish me for following this.

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lawhawk  Apr 16, 2017 • 6:00:03pm

re: #166 Lidane

Like being stuck in a bag of crazy with African bees set on psycho.

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teleskiguy  Apr 16, 2017 • 6:58:29pm

re: #105 darthstar

With all due respect, Bernie can fuck himself sideways with a rusty ski pole.


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