Trump Says He Can’t Be Sued for Inciting Violence at Rallies Because He’s the President

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Donald Trump is being sued by several protesters who were assaulted by his followers at a rally last year in Louisville, Kentucky, after he screamed “Get ‘em outta here!” from the stage. And one of those supporters has now filed his own suit against Trump, saying he shouldn’t be held liable for the assault because he was acting at Trump’s urging.

But Trump’s lawyers are trying to claim he can’t be sued for inciting violence at all — because he’s the president. And they’re also trying to claim he never incited violence at all. Even though he’s on tape doing it.

Donald Trump’s lawyers in a Friday afternoon federal court filing argued that he cannot be sued for inciting his supporters to hurt protesters because, as the president, he is immune from civil lawsuits.

The lawsuit was brought by three protesters who allege they were roughed up and ejected by Trump supporters from a March 2016 campaign rally in Louisville, Kentucky, after Trump barked from the stage “get ‘em out of here!”

The lawsuit seeks damages from two Trump supporters who confronted the protesters, as well as Trump’s presidential campaign and the president himself, since the protesters argue the Trump supporters were acting at his direction.

In Friday’s filing, the president’s lawyers contend that Trump was not ordering his supporters to rough up the protesters — or to do anything. “The Trump Defendants deny that Mr. Trump directed his statement to the crowd,” the lawyers wrote.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 17, 2017 • 12:05:25pm

Wrong, asshole.

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Citizen K  Apr 17, 2017 • 12:07:57pm

I hate to repeat myself, but considering how long the last topic lasted, and how utterly relevant it is to how I’m feeling about this…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 17, 2017 • 12:10:10pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 17, 2017 • 12:15:24pm

Trump has one crappy legal overview

law.cornell.edu

Did his people really miss this ruling against Bill Clinton?

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lawhawk  Apr 17, 2017 • 12:16:50pm

re: #5 Unshaken Defiance

Assumes competencies that are not in evidence.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 17, 2017 • 12:17:26pm

re: #6 lawhawk

Yeah… Good point there.

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lawhawk  Apr 17, 2017 • 12:20:08pm

Trump’s again claiming that he can’t release his returns because they’re under audit.

That’s simply not true.

Anyone can release their own returns, even when they’re under audit.

Oh, and a president and vice president’s return are automatically audited as per IRS policy:

irs.gov

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Apr 17, 2017 • 12:25:24pm

This is me 3 to 6 times a day for the last 4 months:

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b_sharp  Apr 17, 2017 • 12:30:15pm

re: #9 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

This is me 3 to 6 times a day for the last 4 months:

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You may be afraid of news, but personally, I’m afraid of worms.

“Because I was afraid of worms, Roxanne. Worms!”

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Kragar  Apr 17, 2017 • 12:32:38pm
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Flying Squirrel Girl  Apr 17, 2017 • 12:35:11pm

I miss having a CIC that doesn’t make me want to puke when I see him. I am so tired of seeing that ridiculous too-long-combed-back-sprayed-in-place-badly-dyed hair in pictures. I miss having a competent (and not that it matters but extremely easy on the eyes) president.

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wrenchwench  Apr 17, 2017 • 12:39:21pm
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I’d boop that boophis.

After washing my hands, of course.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 17, 2017 • 12:45:34pm

Clinton v. Jones - Wikipedia

“Clinton v. Jones, 520 U.S. 681 (1997), was a landmark United States Supreme Court case establishing that a sitting President of the United States has no immunity from civil law litigation against him or her, for acts done before taking office and unrelated to the office….”

Clinton v. Jones 520 U.S. 681 (1997) - JUSITA: US Supreme Court

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 17, 2017 • 12:45:41pm
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Belafon  Apr 17, 2017 • 12:46:49pm

re: #14 FormerDirtDart

Clinton v. Jones - Wikipedia

Clinton v. Jones 520 U.S. 681 (1997) - JUSITA: US Supreme Court

So, the out for judges is that campaigning relates to the office.

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lawhawk  Apr 17, 2017 • 12:48:32pm

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

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plansbandc  Apr 17, 2017 • 12:48:36pm

re: #12 Flying Squirrel Girl

The orange one is ugly inside and out. He takes the joy out of everything.

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MsJ  Apr 17, 2017 • 12:50:08pm

Trump in a nutshell:

We didn’t do it!

But if we did do it, we’re not responsible!

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Apr 17, 2017 • 12:52:33pm

Anybody have the “This Asshole Again” bunny bookcover image handy?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 17, 2017 • 12:56:55pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 17, 2017 • 12:58:06pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

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kids are blindingly white and they all look bored to tears.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Apr 17, 2017 • 12:58:35pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

The educatuon particles are overwhelming the warp core, Cap’n! She cannae take much more!

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Sir John Barron  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:03:41pm

re: #14 FormerDirtDart

Clinton v. Jones - Wikipedia

Clinton v. Jones 520 U.S. 681 (1997) - JUSITA: US Supreme Court

This doesn’t apply. After the name ‘Clinton’ there is (D) for Democrat. After Trump there is an (R).

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:04:21pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

kids are blindingly white and they all look bored to tears.

There’s a darker-skinned kid partially hidden behind a shrub.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:05:18pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Isn’t Educatuon a town in Sascatuon?

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:05:22pm

re: #5 Unshaken Defiance

Trump has one crappy legal overview

law.cornell.edu

Did his people really miss this ruling against Bill Clinton?

Unfortunately the Clinton ruling isn’t exactly as on point as people think, because Clinton was sued in Federal Court and the current action against Trump was filed in NY State Court. That might not seem like a big difference but the 1996 SCOTUS ruling specifically left open this question. Imani Gandi & Jessica Mason covered this awhile ago over at Rewire.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:06:33pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

kids are blindingly white and they all look bored to tears.

Yeah I’m getting real tired of the endless white group photos being pumped out by the WH.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:07:19pm

re: #25 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

There’s a darker-skinned kid partially hidden behind a shrub.

saw him. I figured he was related to Ben Carson.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:07:19pm

Also, even if he had some kind of bullshit Presidential immunity…he wasn’t President when this incident happened.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:07:24pm

re: #12 Flying Squirrel Girl

I miss having a CIC that doesn’t make me want to puke when I see him. I am so tired of seeing that ridiculous too-long-combed-back-sprayed-in-place-badly-dyed hair in pictures. I miss having a competent (and not that it matters but extremely easy on the eyes) president.

Yes, yes, yes, and yes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:07:24pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

Unfortunately the Clinton ruling isn’t exactly as on point as people think, because Clinton was sued in Federal Court and the current action against Trump was filed in State Court. That might not seem like a big difference but the 1996 SCOTUS ruling specifically left open this question. Imani Gandi & Jessica Mason covered this awhile ago over at Rewire.

So, basically Trump sees the Presidency as one big ‘Get Out Of Jail’ card.

He may find just how far that goes.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:08:07pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

One case-Yes they can. Another, unspoken. Trump is way out on a limb to make this claim. Especially since this is before he was Prez.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:08:32pm

re: #32 Blind Frog Belly White

So, basically Trump sees the Presidency as one big ‘Get Out Of Jail’ card.

He may find just how far that goes.

His plan will be pretty effective since no Republican is going to vote to impeach him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:09:00pm
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Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:09:06pm

Meet Stan, the Sesame Street alt-right muppet:

The arc of his first episode features Stan attempting to illustrate to Elmo how Barack Obama is not only a reptilian alien posing as a human, but also a reptilian alien born in Kenya. You’ll have to tune in on Monday to see if Elmo believes it or not.

The show announced Stan’s arrival last week via social media and postings on infowars.com and Breitbart News. Many commenters stated it was “about time” the Muppets represented them and that Stan “better be white or else.”

Debra Thompson, the puppeteer who controls Stan, studied up on the alt-right movement in order to get the Muppet’s movements down. “Being alt-right means that Stan often flails his arms around when someone refutes his bullshit with facts. His back is often hunched also, as if even gravity hates him and wants to push him directly to hell where he belongs. It’s very interesting to control Stan and it also makes me hate myself.”

It’s a parody, of course. But a well-constructed one.

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MsJ  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:09:46pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:11:58pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:12:22pm

re: #32 Blind Frog Belly White

So, basically Trump sees the Presidency as one big ‘Get Out Of Jail’ card.

He may find just how far that goes.

“Get out of State Civil Court” anyway. The thing is there’s a certain logic to it, the idea that a sitting President shouldn’t be subject to constant personal civil badgering in the civil courts of State he/she lost in the general election.

It’s not a particularly good or compelling logic, just saying I can see that argument being made by Trump’s lawyers and accepted by Thomas and Alito at the least.

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MsJ  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:13:16pm

Dementia.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:16:32pm

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

“Get out of State Civil Court” anyway. The thing is there’s a certain logic to it, the idea that a sitting President shouldn’t be subject to constant personal civil badgering in the civil courts of State he/she lost in the general election.

It’s not a particularly good or compelling logic, just saying I can see that argument being made by Trump’s lawyers and accepted by Thomas and Alito at the least.

Trump didn’t lose in Kentucky.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:21:07pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump didn’t lose in Kentucky.

The Zerfos lawsuit in question was filed in New York, so that will be the jurisdiction whose impartiality comes under attack.

Like I said it’s not particularly compelling logic, but I’m not sure what other differences his team can cite in response to why the 1996 decision shouldn’t be heavily weighted against them.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:21:40pm

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:23:31pm

Okay so to properly post a poem on Twitter I would have to tweet each subsequent verse as as reply to my original tweet/first verse, correct?

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Stanley Sea  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:26:06pm

re: #44 Eclectic Cyborg

The NPR contest has to be limited to the 140 characters fyi.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:28:45pm

re: #45 Stanley Sea

The NPR contest has to be limited to the 140 characters fyi.

This was not for that, but good to know. Thanks.

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ObserverArt  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:30:02pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mediaite ✔ @Mediaite
BREAKING: Glenn Beck Countersues Tomi Lahren, Claims She Mistreated Staff, Offended Blaze Audience bit.ly
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Oooooo…hot wingnut on wingnut action. I guess the winner will be the one that can lie the most and get the most wingnuts to buy the lies.

Add this to the Alex Jones child custody trial and a lot of bare wingnut backsides are being exposed.

It would be nice if there really was no winners all around and they all lost viewers and support as people realize how they are just con artists and everyone has been conned.

Yeah, I know probably won’t happen…but with Trump flailing added to the mix wingnuts sure are taking a beating.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:31:46pm

re: #47 ObserverArt

Oooooo…hot wingnut on wingnut action. I guess the winner will be the one that can lie the most and get the most wingnuts to buy the lies.

Add this to the Alex Jones child custody trial and a lot of bare wingnut backsides are being exposed.

It would be nice if there really was no winners all around and they all lost viewers and support as people realize how they are just con artists and everyone has been conned.

Yeah, I know probably won’t happen…but with Trump flailing added to the mix wingnuts sure are taking a beating.

Wait….Alex Jones has children?

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:32:31pm

Off topic, but this 1983 movie poster proves that Kellyanne Conway was right, at least in some drive-ins…

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b_sharp  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:32:44pm

re: #26 Blind Frog Belly White

Isn’t Educatuon a town in Sascatuon?

I’ll look.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:34:21pm

re: #48 Sir John Barron

Wait….Alex Jones has children?

at least that’s what his wife told him…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:35:11pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

at least that’s what his wife told him…

Ohhhh, snap!

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ObserverArt  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:38:45pm

re: #48 Sir John Barron

Wait….Alex Jones has children?

Here is a recent article: Rawstory - ‘He’s playing a character’: Alex Jones’s lawyer says it’s all an act in child custody battle defense

Right-wing radio host Alex Jones will be locked into a child custody trial for the next few weeks in Austin, Texas, according to The Austin American-Statesman. But his attorneys are making the argument that Jones shouldn’t be judged by his on-air persona.

“He’s not a stable person,” said Kelly Jones in an emotional pretrial testimony. “He says he wants to break Alec Baldwin’s neck. He wants J-Lo to get raped. I’m concerned that he is engaged in felonious behavior, threatening a member of Congress.”

Mrs. Jones is referring to her husband’s comments about Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) who is heading the Democrat’s side of the Russia investigation.

“He broadcasts from home,” she continued. “The children are there, watching him broadcast.”

She is seeking sole custody of their 14-year-old son and 9- and 12-year-old daughters.

“This case is not about Infowars, and I don’t want it to be about Infowars,” District Judge Orlinda Naranjo said to the legal team of the couple. “I am in control of this court, not your clients.”

Alex Jones’ attorney Randall Wilhite explained that he shouldn’t be judged on things like Pizzagate, which prompted one man to walk into to Comet Ping Pong pizza parlor with a gun ready to open fire.

“He’s playing a character,” Wilhite said of Jones. “He is a performance artist.”-
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Targetpractice  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:43:40pm

re: #53 ObserverArt

Here is a recent article: Rawstory - ‘He’s playing a character’: Alex Jones’s lawyer says it’s all an act in child custody battle defense

“It’s all an act!” is always the last refuge of wingnuts who want to avoid taking any responsibility for their insanity.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:43:43pm
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EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:45:10pm

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

“Get out of State Civil Court” anyway. The thing is there’s a certain logic to it, the idea that a sitting President shouldn’t be subject to constant personal civil badgering in the civil courts of State he/she lost in the general election.

It’s not a particularly good or compelling logic, just saying I can see that argument being made by Trump’s lawyers and accepted by Thomas and Alito at the least.

We aren’t supposed to elect a president skeevy enough to be surrounded by a cloud of civil lawsuits that can’t easily be disposed of as frivolous.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:45:24pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wow, how do I get some of that sweet action? Hey, Steve, look into this for me, will ya?

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Targetpractice  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:45:36pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Another example of how easy it is for a dictator to hijack a democratic state.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:46:34pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

Another example of how easy it is for a dictator to hijack a democratic state.

and the people voted for it.

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darthstar  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:51:24pm
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darthstar  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:53:33pm

Oh, fuck me.

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electrotek  Apr 17, 2017 • 1:56:06pm

Facebook Post

Took all of my willpower to not delete people for sharing that video.

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MsJ  Apr 17, 2017 • 2:02:28pm

I keep hearing rumblings that Kennedy is going to retire from the SCOTUS.

Oy. We’re so fucked.

A once in a lifetime opportunity and my fellow countrymen and women fucked all of us - for my lifetime for sure, likely my friend’s kids lifetimes, too.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2017 • 2:03:00pm

re: #62 electrotek

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Took all of my willpower to not delete people for sharing that video.

Delete Facebook for allowing it.

Suspending my Facebook account is one of the best things I ever did.

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darthstar  Apr 17, 2017 • 2:04:05pm

re: #63 MsJ

I keep hearing rumblings that Kennedy is going to retire from the SCOTUS.

Oy. We’re so fucked.

A once in a lifetime opportunity and my fellow countrymen and women fucked all of us - for my lifetime for sure, likely my friend’s kids lifetimes, too.

We’re a couple of seats away from Clarence Thomas being the swing vote.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 17, 2017 • 2:05:41pm

re: #62 electrotek

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Took all of my willpower to not delete people for sharing that video.

What’s it a video of (short version is OK)?

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makeitstop  Apr 17, 2017 • 2:09:52pm

re: #66 Sir John Barron

What’s it a video of (short version is OK)?

The guy shot a 93 year old man in the head, and broadcast it on Facebook Live.

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electrotek  Apr 17, 2017 • 2:12:11pm

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

Delete Facebook for allowing it.

Suspending my Facebook account is one of the best things I ever did.

Can’t deactivate my FB. Got too many friends from overseas that I keep touch with on there.

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Jenner7  Apr 17, 2017 • 2:16:40pm
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makeitstop  Apr 17, 2017 • 2:21:24pm

re: #67 makeitstop

The guy shot a 93 year old man in the head, and broadcast it on Facebook Live.

Correction - the victim was 74.

Makes it no less horrifying, though.

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majii  Apr 17, 2017 • 2:21:59pm

re: #69 Jenner7

“POTUS does not congratulate foreign ldrs on referendums.”

You do if your name is Donald Trump. Even GWB wouldn’t have called and congratulated Erdogan for this obvious move to consolidate this power even more over his own citizens. Kemal Ataturk has to be rolling over in his grave about the damage Erdogan is doing to Turkey’s democracy.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 17, 2017 • 2:22:12pm
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Apr 17, 2017 • 2:30:47pm

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You just know they’re working on how to make that happen here.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 17, 2017 • 2:31:01pm

Haven’t figured out how to link the chain for easy LGF posting yet but if you follow through to Twitter everything is in order. Followers welcome. More content coming soon.

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electrotek  Apr 17, 2017 • 2:32:47pm

Didn’t Obama congratulate Putin on the Crimea referendum?

Edit: Disregard, I misunderstood a friend of mine when I brought up the Turkish referendum.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 17, 2017 • 2:34:51pm

re: #75 electrotek

Didn’t Obama congratulate Putin on the Crimea referendum?

wasn’t it the Warsaw pact?

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 17, 2017 • 2:38:39pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 17, 2017 • 2:44:45pm

re: #74 Eclectic Cyborg

Haven’t figured out how to link the chain for easy LGF posting yet but if you follow through to Twitter everything is in order. Followers welcome. More content coming soon.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Apr 17, 2017 • 2:53:20pm

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

I could not agree more. I recently de-activated and then deleted my account. Being in constant contact with relatives on FB was changing the way I feel about people I *want* to love. I need to catch up with my relatives at weddings and on holidays, not on a daily basis.

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nines09  Apr 17, 2017 • 2:55:35pm

Trump Says He Can’t Be Sued for Inciting Violence at Rallies Because He’s the President

Trump mispronounced “Emperor”.

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Anymouse  Apr 17, 2017 • 2:55:50pm

Felix Randomkitty update:

Felix is in the kitty hospital.

He is on an IV for rehydration … the veterinarian noted that it was a worthwhile attempt to try to force the cat to take water via a syringe, but a diabetic cat passes water a lot, and there is really no way to keep up with that.

Felix’s sugar count today was 625 (the normal range for a cat is the same as a human - 80-120). She noted that human glucose meters can sometimes screw up measuring the blood sugar of a dog and cat.

The veterinarian could find no injury or other overt physical problem, though Felix is down to eight pounds. (A couple weeks ago he was around fourteen and putting on weight.)

She also noted that his white blood cell count was very high … her preliminary diagnosis is feline pancreatitis, hence the kitty hospital stay. (I’m guessing he doesn’t get an adjustable bed and TV remote.)

When we got home, more fun (not) in the mail:

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2017 • 2:56:00pm

re: #80 Flying Squirrel Girl

I could not agree more. I recently de-activated and then deleted my account. Being in constant contact with relatives on FB was changing the way I feel about people I *want* to love. I need to catch up with my relatives at weddings and on holidays, not on a daily basis.

My pinned tweet:

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Anymouse  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:00:33pm

More not fun:

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Jay C  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:03:21pm

re: #82 Anymouse

Poor Felix!
As much for the no-doubt upsetting hospital stay (can’t remind cats how “soon” they’ll be going home!) as for the physical problems.
Since it’s *only* diabetes (?) what’s the prognosis?

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:12:43pm

re: Previous discussion about Alex Jones’s lawyer saying he was a performance artist playing a role. I have really always believed this about Alex.
His sidekick Roger Stone, otoh, seems to be a serious loon. This is probably why Stone rather than Jones is taken seriously at the White House.

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Anymouse  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:14:48pm

re: #85 Jay C

Poor Felix!
As much for the no-doubt upsetting hospital stay (can’t remind cats how “soon” they’ll be going home!) as for the physical problems.
Since it’s *only* diabetes (?) what’s the prognosis?

Well, there’s the pancreatitis preliminary diagnosis as well. The veterinarian said she would send me an E-mail with the information … lemme see if I got it yet… . nope, not yet. She said she would send the results of all the tests she needs to run to nail down the proper diagnosis.

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jaunte  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:15:30pm

re: #40 MsJ

Dementia.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:17:42pm

re: #86 Shiplord Kirel

re: Previous discussion about Alex Jones’s lawyer saying he was a performance artist playing a role. I have really always believed this about Alex.
His sidekick Roger Stone, otoh, seems to be a serious loon. This is probably why Stone rather than Jones is taken seriously at the White House.

If you never step out of your role, you are not playing a role.

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jaunte  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:17:48pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:21:16pm

re: #86 Shiplord Kirel

re: Previous discussion about Alex Jones’s lawyer saying he was a performance artist playing a role. I have really always believed this about Alex.
His sidekick Roger Stone, otoh, seems to be a serious loon. This is probably why Stone rather than Jones is taken seriously at the White House.

Its kind of a moot point though because I genuinely think it’s psychologically almost impossible for a person to “method act” for so long without genuinely changing who they are and what they believe. So Jones’s sin in the eyes of the White House isn’t that he doesn’t believe, but that he believes too much. He went too far down into the 911 Truther, Chemtrail, Sandy Hook Hoaxer, making the frogs gay rabbit hole and never came out.

Certainly Stone is a kook, but he’s always been a cynical mercenary kook. Trumps people can look at him and see someone who won’t confuse the script with reality.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:25:36pm

re: #5 Unshaken Defiance

Trump has one crappy legal overview

law.cornell.edu

Did his people really miss this ruling against Bill Clinton?

But but but Clinton was Democratic. Not the same. /s

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Charles Johnson  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:26:37pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:26:51pm

re: #91 goddamnedfrank

This, by the way, is why I have such a low opinion of method acting in general. It’s a fucking mental crutch, an exercise in self deception, a flirtation with schizo-affective ass-neckery. Just memorize your fucking lines, show up on time, pay attention to the goddamned direction, try to stay in character and treat the crew with respect. Nobody needs to act like they’re someone else when the camera is off to give a convincing performance.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:30:19pm

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:32:00pm

Off topic: Anybody here ever use a rifled deer barrel on a shotgun, the kind designed to stabilize saboted slugs? Wondering if there’s any real point in getting one unless the state you live in bans normal centerfire rifles for hunting?

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:33:40pm

re: #37 MsJ

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Michael Bay Budgie!!

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:35:00pm

re: #95 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:37:00pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

Because money is worth so much more than saved lives. Jesus would say the exact same thing.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:37:43pm

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

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William Lewis  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:39:19pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

Off topic: Anybody here ever use a rifled deer barrel on a shotgun, the kind designed to stabilize saboted slugs? Wondering if there’s any real point in getting one unless the state you live in bans normal centerfire rifles for hunting?

I’ve used one once and it was less accurate for me than my smoothbore. I’ll stick to a flintlock rifle first.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:46:26pm

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:47:48pm

re: #100 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:47:52pm

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

That’s a little unfair to the likes of heath ledger, Daniel Day-Lewis and some other notables.

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stpaulbear  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:48:06pm

re: #20 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Anybody have the “This Asshole Again” bunny bookcover image handy?

This isn’t exactly speedy, but it doesn’t look like anyone else posted it yet.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:54:29pm

re: #104 Unshaken Defiance

That’s a little unfair to the likes of heath ledger, Daniel Day-Lewis and some other notables.

Poofters!
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:54:40pm
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Stanley Sea  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:56:53pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:58:38pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 17, 2017 • 3:59:40pm

I’m not a fan of online petitions, but this one I gladly signed and gave $5 to.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:00:38pm

re: #100 Eric The Fruit Bat

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ObserverArt  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:00:48pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:08:19pm
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Timothy Watson  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:11:03pm

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teleskiguy  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:14:44pm

Perfect ‘hold my beer’ moment.

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😳💦🦂The guy at the top told me if I go fast and lean back my fat tires will skip me across the water😂 I’ve seen a lot of snow scorpions but this is the first water scorpion. At least he won’t drown, his fat tire bike floats.(rider unknown, not me) 🎥 @peteogram #waterscorpion #fatbike #mtb #pondskim #alyeska @resortalyeska #slushcup

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gocart mozart  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:16:08pm
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wrenchwench  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:16:44pm

re: #115 teleskiguy

Perfect ‘hold my beer’ moment.

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The guy’s helmet will float, too, but probably face-down.

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gocart mozart  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:17:35pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:17:41pm

re: #117 wrenchwench

The guy’s helmet will float, too, but probably face-down.

He flies through the air with the greatest of ease….

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teleskiguy  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:18:45pm

I’ve done this in Crested Butte a couple of times, back in my younger/stupider days. Very disorienting.

The Ultimate Tomahawk

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piratedan  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:20:42pm

re: #116 gocart mozart

IF that turns out to be true….

In all honesty, I never thought I would live to see another Constitutional Crisis but I guess (if the above tweet is accurate) we all seriously underestimated just how desperate the GOP was to maintain power in that they would openly commit treason in order to get it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:21:28pm

re: #120 teleskiguy

I’ve done this in Crested Butte a couple of times, back in my younger/stupider days. Very disorienting.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:21:34pm

re: #111 goddamnedfrank

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teleskiguy  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:23:56pm

re: #122 Blind Frog Belly White

Much that had hitherto been obscure is now revealed.
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I was wearing a helmet!

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Anymouse  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:25:43pm

Felix Randomkitty update deux:

The doc says via telephone the provisional diagnosis is still pancreatitis. Felix is resting comfortably on a kitty bed listening to Country & Western music. (Really.) She found no indication of infection in a urinalysis exam, however infection still seems indicated due to an extremely elevated white blood cell count, so he’s getting an antibiotic drip in his IV. She thinks he should do okay.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:26:28pm

it’s wander around in bathrobe time:

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(he’ll be at Snap-On Tools…the jokes already write themselves…)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:26:36pm

re: #124 teleskiguy

I was wearing a helmet!

Hey, one can only go ass over teakettle so many times without it affecting the tea.
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451_Montag  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:27:30pm

re: #86 Shiplord Kirel

re: Previous discussion about Alex Jones’s lawyer saying he was a performance artist playing a role. I have really always believed this about Alex.
His sidekick Roger Stone, otoh, seems to be a serious loon. This is probably why Stone rather than Jones is taken seriously at the White House.

Can I suggest a book called “Them” by Jon Ronson? He meets with various extremist types and spends time with Jones trying to infiltrate Bohemian Grove. He’s not playing a role, he is a full on wingnut

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wrenchwench  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:28:06pm

Mmmm, sounds good.

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stpaulbear  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:29:35pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump spurts small-business optimism

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Decatur Deb  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:31:44pm

re: #101 William Lewis

I’ve used one once and it was less accurate for me than my smoothbore. I’ll stick to a flintlock rifle first.

Does a deer go pyrophoric if you hit it with sabot?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:31:46pm

Ya know, it’s tempting to go roll around in the delicious accusations of high level collusion among Trump, the GOP leadership, and Russia on feeds like Louise Mench or Claude Taylor, but that way Confirmation Bias lies. The siren call of Trump’s crushing downfall is seductive. But I’ll believe it when that prick is frogmarched out of the WH.

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teleskiguy  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:32:02pm

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:33:38pm

re: #131 Decatur Deb

Does a deer go pyrophoric if you hit it with sabot?

I thought you had to hit them with what was in the sabot.

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gocart mozart  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:34:29pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:35:13pm

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Decatur Deb  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:36:07pm

re: #134 Blind Frog Belly White

I thought you had to hit them with what was in the sabot.

Just trying to simplify the gutting/cleaning/cooking.

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gocart mozart  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:37:28pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:38:05pm

re: #137 Decatur Deb

Just trying to simplify the gutting/cleaning/cooking.

Damn thing would look like Rohrshach at the end of “Watchmen”.

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lawhawk  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:38:31pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

After a couple of apartment complexes under construction completely went up in flames in NJ, it still took a couple of years before the state even introduced updated building code provisions to reflect lightweight construction and adding sprinklers to attic spaces to reduce chances that fires would spread through those spaces to adjacent units.

It’s nuts. NJ has had a couple of these massive fires - one in 2015 that destroyed a couple hundred apartment units and another fire that destroyed an apartment complex while it was still under construction. Sprinklers in attic spaces would have reduced the chances the fires would have spread; they also should do more to separate the space.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:38:59pm

re: #136 gocart mozart

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:40:16pm

re: #136 gocart mozart

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But, the picture of the artist drawing - THAT’S a photograph, right?

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Teukka  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:42:16pm

re: #140 lawhawk

After a couple of apartment complexes under construction completely went up in flames in NJ, it still took a couple of years before the state even introduced updated building code provisions to reflect lightweight construction and adding sprinklers to attic spaces to reduce chances that fires would spread through those spaces to adjacent units.

It’s nuts. NJ has had a couple of these massive fires - one in 2015 that destroyed a couple hundred apartment units and another fire that destroyed an apartment complex while it was still under construction. Sprinklers in attic spaces would have reduced the chances the fires would have spread; they also should do more to separate the space.

From this side of the pond, attic fires are the ones which usually spread and nuke the entire buildings roofs, while apartment fires tend to limit themselves to the apartment as up until very recently, the building code meant that every apartment is in practice a fire cell. But there are things lacking, such as at least dry risers in apartment buildings.

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gocart mozart  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:43:01pm

Because of course

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lawhawk  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:45:28pm

re: #143 Teukka

The lightweight construction, with engineered trusses allow for larger clear spans, with less structural support underneath, but that means if there’s a fire, it’s far more likely to result in collapse due to the structure being weakened.

So, while an engineered trust allows for those open floor plans, it means that a fire could take down the entire structure that traditional dimensional lumber and smaller spans would have survived.

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teleskiguy  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:45:49pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:48:15pm

Damn, dude!

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Unreal day from start to finish!
🎥 @weavsworld
@toms_snowmobile
@dragonalliance

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thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:49:37pm

Evening Lizardim.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:50:39pm

re: #144 gocart mozart

Because of course

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There were 2 bunnies. The main one had glasses & an OMG expression.

The other is the Paas one.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:50:42pm

re: #145 lawhawk

The lightweight construction, with engineered trusses allow for larger clear spans, with less structural support underneath, but that means if there’s a fire, it’s far more likely to result in collapse due to the structure being weakened.

So, while an engineered trust allows for those open floor plans, it means that a fire could take down the entire structure that traditional dimensional lumber and smaller spans would have survived.

Something akin to 9/11 and the long-span trusses that supported the floors in the Towers?

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Teukka  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:51:41pm

re: #150 thedopefishlives

Something akin to 9/11 and the long-span trusses that supported the floors in the Towers?

Uh-huh. Without the benefit of the outer walls providing structural support, which was the case with WTC 1 & 2.

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lawhawk  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:51:49pm

re: #150 thedopefishlives

Ding ding ding….

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:52:28pm

re: #150 thedopefishlives

Something akin to 9/11 and the long-span trusses that supported the floors in the Towers?

Yeah, but jet fuel can’t melt steel.
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Teukka  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:53:45pm

re: #153 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, but jet fuel can’t melt steel.
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[clue x 4”]Yeah, but the strength of steel decreases rapidly with temperature, and burning jet fuel does easily reach thousands of degrees.[/clue x 4”]

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Anymouse  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:54:10pm

re: #146 teleskiguy

My wife and I went to Colorado National Monument in December. The view was stunning, and I got a bunch of pictures.

That said, don’t drive a Smart over the monument in winter. The entire road was packed in ice, there are places with no guard rails, and switchback turns everywhere.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:54:11pm

re: #152 lawhawk

Ding ding ding….

See, folks? I can be taught.

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makeitstop  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:54:38pm

re: #144 gocart mozart

Because of course

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:54:49pm
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not even trying to be not bogus.

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stpaulbear  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:57:06pm

I can feel myself getting sucked into a vinyl vortex. amazon.com is suggesting that I might be interested in a two-record reissue of Sgt. Pepper, remastered (messed with) by George Martin’s son with a second album of alternate takes (stuff that they didn’t think was good enough back then), on 180 gram vinyl (and probably rush pressed so that quality control is non-existent). I already have at least seven different versions of Sgt. Pepper and I can feel this one clawing at my wallet.

Most new vinyl albums suck. There aren’t enough pressing plants for the current demand so quality is often dismal, a lot of reissues are made from digital masters anyway so it kind of defeats the purpose, and they’re too freaking expensive.

Luckily there are a lot of used record stores in the Twin Cities. All of the boomer collectors are downsizing (and dying) so there’s a lot of good stuff to be found. I’m just about to turn 63 and I realize that anything I buy is just something I (or my sisters) will have to dump sooner or later, but it’s still fun to look, and I still love the routine of playing records.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2017 • 4:58:14pm

re: #153 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, but jet fuel can’t melt steel.
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I haven’t even looked in on the 9/11 Twoofers in a couple of years. Last I heard, they were still nattering on about nanothermite and WTC7.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:00:05pm

re: #154 Teukka

[clue x 4”]Yeah, but the strength of steel decreases rapidly with temperature, and burning jet fuel does easily reach thousands of degrees.[/clue x 4”]

I’ve long wondered what kind of idiots think steel retains all of its structural integrity as its temperature rises until it suddenly becomes liquid. They’d probably think blacksmiths were idiots for bothering to heat their work before working it.

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teleskiguy  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:00:25pm

Alex Jones reveals his TRUE self.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:01:48pm

re: #160 thedopefishlives

I haven’t even looked in on the 9/11 Twoofers in a couple of years. Last I heard, they were still nattering on about nanothermite and WTC7.

I never got past ‘jet fuel can’t melt steel’ before having the George Carlin reaction “Aha! He’s fucking stupid!”

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ObserverArt  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:02:41pm

re: #136 gocart mozart

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I did some pretty good pencil drawings in my art student days and all I can say is that dude is really freaking good. He has control over all the different weight pencils and knows his stroke pressure, etc. Really incredible work to do what amounts to a black and white photo…in pencil.

I wonder what he is using for paper/art board?

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BeachDem  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:06:33pm

re: #149 Stanley Sea

There were 2 bunnies. The main one had glasses & an OMG expression.

The other is the Paas one.

And the non-retail bunny is a repeater:

W had him too

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:07:30pm

re: #160 thedopefishlives

The other thing? Imagine the number of people who’d have to be involved in the conspiracy, and not one of them came forward to tell the tale. Now go tell a family member something in confidence, making them SWEAR never to tell anyone. Now tell me how long till everyone in the family knows the secret.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:08:15pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:08:20pm

re: #165 BeachDem

And the non-retail bunny is a repeater:

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That one looks like the White Rabbit from Alice In Wonderland.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:09:34pm

re: #165 BeachDem

And the non-retail bunny is a repeater:

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The one with GWB looks a bit like “Harvey.” (I know it’s the same one, but the photo….)

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Timothy Watson  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:09:44pm

re: #166 Blind Frog Belly White

The other thing? Imagine the number of people who’d have to be involved in the conspiracy, and not one of them came forward to tell the tale. Now go tell a family member something in confidence, making them SWEAR never to tell anyone. Now tell me how long till everyone in the family knows the secret.

That’s because Dubya/the Illuminati/Free Masons/the Juice disappeared all the conspirators…

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teleskiguy  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:10:44pm

re: #170 Timothy Watson

That’s because Dubya/the Illuminati/Free Masons/the Juice disappeared all the conspirators…

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A Cranky One  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:10:56pm

re: #170 Timothy Watson

That’s because Dubya/the Illuminati/Free Masons/the Juice disappeared all the conspirators…

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Not true. I was one of the conspirato

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bratwurst  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:13:31pm

Fuck, this country is rapidly becoming a banana republic:

Equipment stolen days before Georgia special election

Channel 2 Action News has learned that critical voting machines were stolen just days before polls will open for a special election.

State officials are investigating after equipment was taken from a Cobb County precinct manager’s vehicle. According to Secretary of State Brian Kemp, the equipment was stolen on Saturday evening while the vehicle was parked at the Kroger on Canton Road.

Kemp’s office says Cobb County Elections waited two days to tell his office about the theft of the machines.

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Anymouse  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:15:34pm

re: #173 bratwurst

Fuck, this country is rapidly becoming a banana republic:

Equipment stolen days before Georgia special election

What the deuce was the guy doing with elections equipment in his car at Kroger?

I can guess why he’d wait to report it, and both reasons are CYA:

a) Hoping they were simply misplaced or would turn up
b) Doesn’t want to lose his job or go to jail

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:15:51pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

And the members of Parliament who vote ‘No’ will have declared themselves as enemies of Turkey.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:15:57pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:16:25pm

Big conspiracies don’t work for the same reason Libertarianism and ‘From Each/To Each’ Socialism don’t work - they run counter to human nature.

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caseyjr  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:17:43pm

re: #154 Teukka

[clue x 4”]Yeah, but the strength of steel decreases rapidly with temperature, and burning jet fuel does easily reach thousands of degrees.[/clue x 4”]

a little-known fact: each floor pan in the WTC towers weight 3 million lbs (4-5” of concrete)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:19:50pm

re: #178 gocart mozart

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gocart mozart  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:21:13pm
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b_sharp  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:22:07pm

re: #163 Blind Frog Belly White

I never got past ‘jet fuel can’t melt steel’ before having the George Carlin reaction “Aha! He’s fucking stupid!”

The beams didn’t need to be melted, just annealed & the air flow would have increased the temperature of the jet fuel like air flow allows a coal foundry to melt several different metals.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:23:51pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:24:22pm

re: #178 gocart mozart

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Timothy Watson  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:24:24pm

re: #182 b_sharp

The beams didn’t need to be melted, just annealed & the air flow would have increased the temperature of the jet fuel like air flow allows a coal foundry to melt several different metals.

Not to mention the kinetic force of the impact…

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thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:25:52pm

re: #185 Timothy Watson

Not to mention the kinetic force of the impact…

That’s one of the Twoofers’ favorite talking points. Because apparently, aircraft-grade aluminum should not have made a dent in the steel columns that comprised the Towers’ outer skeleton. Let’s leave aside the velocity at which the planes were moving, and also the density and mass behind that velocity, impacting a (relatively) very small area across the face of each column.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:26:57pm

re: #186 thedopefishlives

I would refer the Twoofer in question to the Mythbusters, who fired a Ping-pong ball through a wooden paddle, demonstrating that it is not the hardness of the material, but the velocity of the impact, that determines the damage.

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electrotek  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:27:48pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:28:09pm
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thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:29:26pm

re: #189 Unshaken Defiance

Oh, yeah - I’m home from fish country. It was an extremely uneventful visit, without even the traditional political rant that I have come to expect from my folks. I gave my dad some assistance with his ‘72 Chevy, and he bought me a tank of fuel for the fishmobile for the trip home. All in all, it was amicable and pleasant, marred only by a little bit of emergency work that had to be done to save a project on the verge of cancellation.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:29:47pm

re: #182 b_sharp

The beams didn’t need to be melted, just annealed & the air flow would have increased the temperature of the jet fuel like air flow allows a coal foundry to melt several different metals.

This is the worst aspect of CT - it makes stupid people stupider. Anyone who’s ever seen a campfire, or a barbecue knows that more oxygen will make the fire hotter. There’s no one ‘burning jet fuel temperature’, just as there’s not one ‘burning charcoal temperature’. If there were, there’d be no point in a bellows for a forge. And people KNOW THIS, they understand it.

But, give them a ‘Gummint was in on it!’, and they turn their brains off.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:30:12pm

re: #186 thedopefishlives

That’s one of the Twoofers’ favorite talking points. Because apparently, aircraft-grade aluminum should not have made a dent in the steel columns that comprised the Towers’ outer skeleton. Let’s leave aside the velocity at which the planes were moving, and also the density and mass behind that velocity, impacting a (relatively) very small area across the face of each column.

Yeah, I remember arguing with the nutjobs and I went to the trouble of calculating the force of the airplanes and the explosive force of the jet fuel.

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b_sharp  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:30:41pm

re: #185 Timothy Watson

Not to mention the kinetic force of the impact…

That would have been huge.

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teleskiguy  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:30:48pm
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b_sharp  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:31:48pm

re: #186 thedopefishlives

That’s one of the Twoofers’ favorite talking points. Because apparently, aircraft-grade aluminum should not have made a dent in the steel columns that comprised the Towers’ outer skeleton. Let’s leave aside the velocity at which the planes were moving, and also the density and mass behind that velocity, impacting a (relatively) very small area across the face of each column.

Did they bother calculating the kinetic energy?

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thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:31:52pm

re: #192 Timothy Watson

Yeah, I remember arguing with the nutjobs and I went to the trouble of calculating the force of the airplanes and the explosive force of the jet fuel.

I debated the nutjobs for a while. The highlight of my fun was a Twoofer who claimed to be an engineer whose “expert analysis” consisted of an MS Paint diagram of how he thought the fires should have spread through WTC 7, comparing them with the NIST fire simulations, and declaring the whole thing a fraud. As a computer scientist with some background in simulation, I laughed in his face, told him where he was wrong, and sat back to watch the fireworks.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:33:48pm

re: #195 b_sharp

Did they bother calculating the kinetic energy?

You forget, Twoofers don’t do work. They make other people do work and then just disagree by fiat, without contrary evidence.

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gocart mozart  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:34:14pm
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Timothy Watson  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:34:55pm

re: #197 thedopefishlives

You forget, Twoofers don’t do work. They make other people do work and then just disagree by fiat, without contrary evidence.

I was pretty cool at the time, a 16 year old being paid by the CIA to spread disinformation.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:35:19pm

re: #199 Timothy Watson

I was pretty cool at the time, a 16 year old being paid by the CIA to spread disinformation.

Hey, that’s not bad. I didn’t get on the CIA payroll until I was into my 20’s.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:36:39pm

re: #194 teleskiguy

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”, he explained.”

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jaunte  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:37:23pm
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And so is every Republican who enables him.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:37:28pm

re: #186 thedopefishlives

That’s one of the Twoofers’ favorite talking points. Because apparently, aircraft-grade aluminum should not have made a dent in the steel columns that comprised the Towers’ outer skeleton. Let’s leave aside the velocity at which the planes were moving, and also the density and mass behind that velocity, impacting a (relatively) very small area across the face of each column.

This is why the gun didn’t catch on, and we’re still wearing armor and wielding swords - no way could a soft lead bullet penetrate hardened steel armor!
////x a gazillion

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EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:37:49pm

re: #115 teleskiguy

Is “snow scorpion” a technical term for a face-plant followed by full heels-over-head action?

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gocart mozart  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:38:32pm
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Romantic Heretic  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:40:38pm

re: #188 electrotek

How does somebody punched in the throat with a weighted glove punch back? Most people would be too busy choking to death.

My God! They really are supermen!!!! //////

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Anymouse  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:43:00pm

re: #181 gocart mozart

That should have been sent to @jack

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:43:56pm

re: #195 b_sharp

Did they bother calculating the kinetic energy?

You’d have to explain what that is first, and then convince them the government has nothing to do with it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:45:44pm

re: #194 teleskiguy

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Reminds me of when my brother was playing Hysterium in a community theater presentation of “A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum”. The soldiers march in, with the Centurion chanting.

Centurion: “One, Two! One, Two!
“We not only fought, but we won, too!
“Left, Right! Left, Right!
“There were none of the enemy left, right?”

Troops: “RIGHT!”

And then they all get out of step and fall all over each other.

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EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:45:54pm

re: #197 thedopefishlives

You forget, Twoofers don’t do work. They make other people do work and then just disagree by fiat, without contrary evidence.

Just like creationists.

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jaunte  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:46:20pm
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“Who knew the law was so complicated?”

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gocart mozart  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:47:10pm
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wheat-dogg  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:47:38pm

re: #208 Romantic Heretic

You’d have to explain what that is first, and then convince them the government has nothing to do with it.

Physics is apolitical.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:47:40pm

re: #210 EPR-radar

Just like creationists.

Actually, exactly like. The overlap between young-earth creationists, flat-earthers, 9/11 Twoofers, Sandy Hook nutjobs, and other conspiracy theorists is not coincidental.

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Anymouse  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:48:28pm

re: #192 Timothy Watson

Yeah, I remember arguing with the nutjobs and I went to the trouble of calculating the force of the airplanes and the explosive force of the jet fuel.

I did the same, including bringing in the ignition and burning temperature of commercial jet fuel (culled from Chevron’s Website), the construction of the buildings (essentially two columns with radials supporting the floors), &c.

It was like running head-first into a wall; it doesn’t matter how many “facts” you debunk, they pull another out from their ass. When they run out of “facts,” you’re accused of being a sheeple or being in on the conspiracy.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:49:27pm

re: #210 EPR-radar

Just like creationists.

Or, really, ANY CTers - “You can’t prove it didn’t happen!”

So I ask them to prove the universe wasn’t created at 9:45 AM PDT today, already in progress.

“Of course I can’t disprove that! But that’s silly!”

Yeah, funny about that.

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KGxvi  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:49:30pm

Here’s what the Supreme Court said in Clinton v Jones about this issue before a State court:

First, because the claim of immunity is asserted in a federal court and relies heavily on the doctrine of separation of powers that restrains each of the three branches of the Federal Government from encroaching on the domain of the other two, see, e.g., Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U.S. 1, 122 (1976), it is not necessary to consider or decide whether a comparable claim might succeed in a state tribunal. If this case were being heard in a state forum, instead of advancing a separation of powers argument, petitioner would presumably rely on federalism and comity concerns, [n.13] as well as the interest in protecting federal officials from possible local prejudice that underlies the authority to remove certain cases brought against federal officers from a state to a federal court, see 28 U.S.C. § 1442(a); Mesa v. California, 489 U.S. 121, 125-126 (1989). Whether those concerns would present a more compelling case for immunity is a question that is not before us.

That footnote is kind of important, and says:

Because the Supremacy Clause makes federal law “the supreme Law of the Land,” Art. VI, cl. 2, any direct control by a state court over the President, who has principal responsibility to ensure that those laws are “faithfully executed,” Art. II, §3, may implicate concerns that are quite different from the interbranch separation of powers questions addressed here. Cf., e.g., Hancock v. Train, 426 U.S. 167, 178-179 (1976); Mayo v. United States, 319 U.S. 441, 445 (1943). See L. Tribe, American Constitutional Law 513 (2d ed. 1988) (“absent explicit congressional consent no state may command federal officials … to take action in derogation of their … federal responsibilities”).

I think a fair reading of Clinton v Jones and 28 USC 1442(a) gives the state court a solid basis for ruling that the case can go forward. Under section 1442(a), a defendant who heads a federal agency that is sued in state court, either in an official capacity or as an individual may remove the case to federal court. It is the defendant’s option to do so. But the code, I think, makes clear that such a person can be sued. In light of Clinton v Jones, such cases against the president should be able to proceed in state court.

Also, keep in mind, the concerns of prejudice are rather suspect. Perhaps, in 1790, when people considered themselves more Virginian or New Yorker than American, that might make sense. But today, when the vast majority believe their primary allegiance is to the United States of America? I find it hard to believe that such prejudice would exist, especially among judges.

Ultimately, whether this case proceeds in Kentucky state courts or in the federal system, it will be Kentucky tort law that is (mostly) applicable. It will be Kentucky judges (either state or federal) who oversee the litigation. The threat of prejudice is close to nil.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:50:46pm

re: #215 Anymouse

I did the same, including bringing in the ignition and burning temperature of commercial jet fuel (culled from Chevron’s Website), the construction of the buildings (essentially two columns with radials supporting the floors), &c.

It was like running head-first into a wall; it doesn’t matter how many “facts” you debunk, they pull another out from their ass. When they run out of “facts,” you’re accused of being a sheeple or being in on the conspiracy.

Hey, BTW, did you all get your checks from The Illuminati on time this month? Mines late.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:51:54pm

re: #218 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey, BTW, did you all get your checks from The Illuminati on time this month? Mines late.

They’re always late. They’re running a Ponzi scheme in the background to keep us all paid.

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gocart mozart  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:52:00pm

Scary pumpkin man

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:52:18pm

re: #211 jaunte

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“Who knew the law was so complicated?”

So, what - he got a copy of the syllabus and was assigned some reading for tomorrow?

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Stanley Sea  Apr 17, 2017 • 5:57:21pm
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Anymouse  Apr 17, 2017 • 6:00:21pm

re: #214 thedopefishlives

Actually, exactly like. The overlap between young-earth creationists, flat-earthers, 9/11 Twoofers, Sandy Hook nutjobs, and other conspiracy theorists is not coincidental.

That is called crank magnetism (goes to RationalWiki, which is usually good but has an uncharitable entry about Little Green Footballs)

Crank magnetism explains why anti-vaxxers also gravitate to Illuminati conspiracies, or why neo-Nazi Holocaust deniers also believe in a flat Earth. (Wonkette’s Deleted Comments article from Saturday includes the commentary from an article earlier in the week about Nazi flat-Earthers, and whoo-boy, did they get a lot of wingnut trolls.)

They pulled some of the choicest derp out from that article’s comments.

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Anymouse  Apr 17, 2017 • 6:02:01pm

re: #216 Blind Frog Belly White

Or, really, ANY CTers - “You can’t prove it didn’t happen!”

So I ask them to prove the universe wasn’t created at 9:45 AM PDT today, already in progress.

“Of course I can’t disprove that! But that’s silly!”

Yeah, funny about that.

That’s because it was created at 9:45AM Mountain Daylight Time, which is a mythical time zone so the Universe is mythical, ipso facto.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 17, 2017 • 6:05:54pm

re: #224 Anymouse

That’s because it was created at 9:45AM Mountain Daylight Time, which is a mythical time zone so the Universe is mythical, ipso facto.

I once stayed overnight in Wendover UT, having gotten there in the first day of driving from San Francisco to PA. I woke up at 8 in UT, and asked the desk clerk where we could get breakfast. He said, the Casinos back across the border in NV. So, we went and had breakfast half an hour before we woke up, then set out at just the time we woke up, but were almost immediately an hour behind.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 17, 2017 • 6:06:40pm

re: #221 Blind Frog Belly White

So, what - he got a copy of the syllabus and was assigned some reading for tomorrow?

from what I could tell from the article, Gorsuch reads the law literally and doesn’t allow for any precedent or other law that may impact.

An originalist purist jurist, if you will…

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 17, 2017 • 6:25:59pm

re: #213 wheat-dogg

Physics is apolitical.

nothing is apolitical.


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