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retired cynic  Apr 17, 2017 • 9:35:18pm

I see he got pumpkin flavored makeup on his lips again! Wish he’s he’d use a mirror. And believe it.

Edit to clean up bad typing.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 17, 2017 • 9:39:18pm

If this doesn’t turn people into atheists, nothing will…

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Ubiq  Apr 17, 2017 • 9:42:03pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 17, 2017 • 9:44:11pm

Yikes! This freak really is President. (I’ve said that; oh, several thousand times since January 20. Still can’t get used to it).

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JordanRules  Apr 17, 2017 • 9:48:37pm

How do we treat the whole nation? We’re all suffering from trauma. Every day it gets worse. Damnet man.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 17, 2017 • 9:56:33pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 17, 2017 • 9:57:26pm

re: #6 FormerDirtDart

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The “pro-life” crowd loses one. This pleases my cold, black heart.

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retired cynic  Apr 17, 2017 • 10:11:48pm

re: #7 Targetpractice

The “pro-life” crowd loses one. This pleases my cold, black heart.

It’s a BIG one, because I think there were 7 or 8 they wanted to do, all in a row, weren’t there?

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 17, 2017 • 10:23:55pm


Michael Garland Elliott (1941 - 2017) - The Oregonian

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Targetpractice  Apr 17, 2017 • 10:31:20pm

re: #8 retired cynic

It’s a BIG one, because I think there were 7 or 8 they wanted to do, all in a row, weren’t there?

The two they had scheduled for tonight won’t happen, but they have others scheduled for Thursday. What the situation is is that Arkansas managed to con the drug companies into giving them a supply of the three drugs they need for executions, but the supply has a short shelf life and they’re coming up on the end of it. So they’re trying to cram through all these executions at once to beat the clock.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 17, 2017 • 10:33:52pm

re: #8 retired cynic

It’s a BIG one, because I think there were 7 or 8 they wanted to do, all in a row, weren’t there?

The USSC ruling only involves one case. Best I can make of the whole mess, a total of three of the planned seven executions are currently blocked by different rulings from various courts.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 17, 2017 • 10:46:20pm

re: #11 FormerDirtDart

The USSC ruling only involves one case. Best I can make of the whole mess, a total of three of the planned seven executions are currently blocked by different rulings from various courts.

I just read something else, and it seems the USSC ruling lets a stay remain on two executions, and another schedule to be execute Apr 27th has a separate stay imposed.
At this rate I have to wonder if Arkansas really knows who they can or can’t execute of the eight planned.

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Targetpractice  Apr 17, 2017 • 11:31:23pm

I’m surprised I didn’t see this story earlier…

That sound you just heard is Wall St. shitting a collective brick. They were betting on Trump’s tax cuts by next year.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2017 • 11:43:06pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 17, 2017 • 11:46:29pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 17, 2017 • 11:53:15pm

re: #14 goddamnedfrank

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What posts like this really say is “As a white person, I feel my privilege is imperiled and we need to talk more about what the government can do to secure it for me and my fellow monochromatic kin.”

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Kragar  Apr 17, 2017 • 11:59:18pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 18, 2017 • 12:09:35am

Here’s the wake-up call for Bros who suggest civil rights need to “take a back seat”: If you want to keep losing elections, then ease off civil rights long enough for the GOP to permanently freeze millions of minority Americans out of the voting booth. Because guess what, the DNC has not won a majority of white Americans in an election in over a generation and your worship at the Altar of Bernie is not going to change that.

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Varek Raith  Apr 18, 2017 • 12:10:34am

I don’t want allies who don’t care about civil rights.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 18, 2017 • 12:18:58am

re: #15 teleskiguy

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As I’ve said before CNN responded to the John Stewart’s evisceration of Crossfire first by getting rid of it for awhile, then trying to bring it back, and when that failed they just turned all of their political programming into Crossfire in all but name. It all follows that exact same poisonous recipe, put up maybe one reasonable liberal person who’ll get drowned out by the toxic, retarded verbal diarrhea volleyed back and forth between a cynical self promoting Van Jonesey asshole on the far left and a couple Jeffrey Lord type ridiculous batshit insane dishonest right wing lunatics.

They are, in fact, hurting America.

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Targetpractice  Apr 18, 2017 • 12:48:13am

And while I’m giving out whacks with the cluebat, allow me to hand out another clue to Bros: “Free college” and “free healthcare” are not economic issues. Or, more precisely, they’re not viewed as economic issues by the WWC. Not when the fantasy pops and they realize that funding both means huge tax increases.

No, the people whose votes this past election hinged upon are people who live in small podunks who think that Trump’s gonna walk in one day, turn on the lights at the old factory, and life’s gonna go back to the way it used to be. Or the local mine’s gonna start hiring up thousands of men at a go and bring full employment back to every dirtburg across the breadth of Appalachia.

So your own personal wish list about “free” stuff is not going to fly with them. And the high taxes and regulations you’re calling for are the very thing that these people have been brainwashed into believing killed their jobs. So how do you intend to get those people on your side when you’re singing the very tune that they’ve been taught to a man to associate with the economic ruin and blight that has become their daily lives?

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JordanRules  Apr 18, 2017 • 12:57:07am

re: #19 Varek Raith

Indeed! They are not, in fact, allies.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 18, 2017 • 12:57:49am

From newsmax:

“Trump to Aggressively Push ‘Hire American,’ ‘Buy American’ Directive”

…and nobody gets the pitiful, self-serving hypocrisy behind this Directive and his imported product lines.

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JordanRules  Apr 18, 2017 • 12:58:19am

Likely posted earlier, but it’s a wonderful photo thread.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 18, 2017 • 1:01:05am

re: #20 Varek Raith

Also, rofl.
‘Calexit’ campaign collapses after leader bolts US and moves to Russia

The usual stooges and useful idiots will still dismiss the “Russia Connection” as a conspiracy theory and “neo-McCarthyism.” While we’re at it, the lunatic Texas secession movement rates a closer look. A running joke for decades, it suddenly became a popular and well-funded right-wing cause when Russians started to take an interest.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 18, 2017 • 1:09:38am

re: #20 Varek Raith

First we had this:
Politico - Putin’s Plot to Get Texas to Secede

then this:
Texas GOP Official Wants Secession on the Primary Ballot - Houston Chronicle

…..and this:
Texas State Rep Candidate Comes Out in Support of Independence (actually BOTH candidates)

Better get while the gettin’s good, secesh tools. Putin doesn’t have enough dachas to go around.

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Single-handed sailor  Apr 18, 2017 • 1:25:34am

re: #27 Shiplord Kirel

That ties in well with the Russia-based California secession movement. I’m sensing a theme.

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Targetpractice  Apr 18, 2017 • 1:30:09am

Millions of those in the “WWC” thought it was a dark day in America when the courts ruled that a white girl has no right to preferential treatment in college admissions. So when they hear “free college,” they don’t think “My kids will have a better future than me,” they hear “More of ‘those’ kids will be able to get in, keeping my baby from getting the education he’s owed!”

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 18, 2017 • 1:30:38am

re: #28 Single-handed sailor

That ties in well with the Russia-based California secession movement. I’m sensing a theme.

Something like half of the Texas GOP county platforms included a secession vote as a plank.

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Anymouse  Apr 18, 2017 • 2:15:04am

re: #29 Targetpractice

Millions of those in the “WWC” thought it was a dark day in America when the courts ruled that a white girl has no right to preferential treatment in college admissions. So when they hear “free college,” they don’t think “My kids will have a better future than me,” they hear “More of ‘those’ kids will be able to get in, keeping my baby from getting the education he’s owed!”

While I like the idea of state-funded college, as a “white working class” person myself (well, Rep. Steve King would still like me deported to Poland), and middle-aged, I realise that no college education now would help me (except to expand my knowledge of the world).

But it’s not about me; the nation depends on the highly-educated in diverse fields to maintain an edge in a capitalist world (I understand this as a socialist). Making university education available only to the wealthy and well-connected will undermine and destroy our economy. (Gutting public primary education will do it faster, hence people like Betsy DeVos.)

Out here in rural nowhere, folk who are largely conservative are extremely opposed to the idea of “school vouchers” (for one thing, there are no private schools to use them in - neither churches nor private corporations are interested in putting in schools in areas with few people).

When my mother went to college, the Navy paid for it as a benefit for the loss of my father in Vietnam. When it came my turn to go to college, I could not afford it. My family is going backward on education level.

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Anymouse  Apr 18, 2017 • 2:22:50am
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Anymouse  Apr 18, 2017 • 2:27:35am
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Anymouse  Apr 18, 2017 • 2:44:16am

Happy World Amateur Radio Day, from a lonely radio amateur in the middle of nowhere.

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World Amateur Radio Day (goes to the International Amateur Radio Union)

Every April 18, radio amateurs worldwide take to the airwaves in celebration of World Amateur Radio Day. It was on that day in 1925 that the International Amateur Radio Union was formed in Paris.

Amateur Radio experimenters were the first to discover that the short wave spectrum — far from being a wasteland — could support worldwide propagation. In the rush to use these shorter wavelengths, Amateur Radio was “in grave danger of being pushed aside,” the IARU’s history has noted. Amateur Radio pioneers met in Paris in 1925 and created the IARU to support Amateur Radio worldwide.

Just two years later, at the International Radiotelegraph Conference, Amateur Radio gained the allocations still recognized today — 160, 80, 40, 20, and 10 meters. Since its founding, the IARU has worked tirelessly to defend and expand the frequency allocations for Amateur Radio. Thanks to the support of enlightened administrations in every part of the globe, radio amateurs are now able to experiment and communicate in frequency bands strategically located throughout the radio spectrum. From the 25 countries that formed the IARU in 1925, the IARU has grown to include 160 member-societies in three regions. IARU Region 1 includes Europe, Africa, the Middle East, and Northern Asia. Region 2 covers the Americas, and Region 3 is comprised of Australia, New Zealand, the Pacific island nations, and most of Asia. The International Telecommunication Union (ITU) has recognized the IARU as representing the interests of Amateur Radio.

(more at the link)

See also on Twitter #WorldAmateurRadioDay

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Anymouse  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:09:28am

More on amateur radio history.

The government banned private radio in World War One. After the war, the US Navy tried to gain complete control of radio for military purposes, but ultimately failed. The ban on amateur radio was lifted in 1919.

Afterwards, the Department of Commerce entered the fray, issuing a “temporary ban” on amateur radio entertainment broadcasts as commercial broadcast started in the early Twenties (that temporary ban remains in place today).

An interesting early history of amateur radio (originally defined as anyone interested in radio not associated with government or commerce, but now only associated with licensed hobbyists) can be found here:

earlyradiohistory.us (kind of long, but all text and very interesting if you’re a radiohead like me)

As entertainment broadcasting began to gain popularity, a number of amateur radio operators decided they wanted to use their transmitters to join in the fun. In the Editorials section of December, 1921 issue of QST, The Radiophone supported the innovation, although it also expressed concern about the poor quality of the broadcasts that some amateurs felt compelled to provide. Moreover, broadcast transmissions by amateurs soon met with federal disapproval. Effective December 1, 1921, the Department of Commerce formally established regulations setting aside 360 and 485 meters (833 and 619 kilohertz) as the standard wavelengths for a new classification of broadcasting station, operating under the Limited Commercial licence category. Then, in January, 1922, the department further announced it was “temporarily” banning entertainment broadcasts by amateur stations. The February 1, 1922 Radio Service Bulletin reviewed the Broadcasting regulations, and stated that the department was investigating rules for re-establishing amateur broadcasts, but these revised rules never appeared, and ever since amateur radio operators have been restricted to experimental work and point-to-point communication with other amateur stations. In Scrambled Jazz is Banished by New Air Rules, the February 2, 1922 Oakland Tribune celebrated the end of amateur broadcasts, which it claimed had “cluttered up” the atmosphere, and in the February, 1922 With the U. S. Radio Inspector column in Radio magazine, Major J. F. Dillon reviewed the new broadcasting service restrictions, warning amateurs that “The broadcasting of music on 200 meters will jeopardize the continuation of the licenses of the offender.” Meanwhile, due to their technical skills, many amateurs became employed as engineers at the rapidly burgeoning ranks of commercial broadcast stations.

(much more at the link)

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Alephnaught  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:14:28am

Well, that was a bit unexpected. UK PM Theresa May’s just made an announcement on the TV, and…

Yes, there’s going to be a General Election on the 8th June!
More here…

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Anymouse  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:22:52am

re: #36 Alephnaught

Well, that was a bit unexpected. UK PM Theresa May’s just made an announcement on the TV, and…

Yes, there’s going to be a General Election on the 8th June!
More here…

My guess is that Brexit didn’t go over as well as the Conservative Party thought it might. Either that or the Brexit campaign is tied up with the Yes California campaign that went defunct the other day after its proponent decided he wants to stay in Russia… .

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Targetpractice  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:24:13am

re: #36 Alephnaught

Well, that was a bit unexpected. UK PM Theresa May’s just made an announcement on the TV, and…

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Yes, there’s going to be a General Election on the 8th June!
More here…

Well, there’s one generous conclusion and one not so much. The former is that she feels that winning a snap election would strengthen her hand in ramming through Brexit. The latter is that she realizes that Brexit is turning into a godawful nightmare and that it will be the end of her career is she doesn’t get away from it.

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Alephnaught  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:37:41am

re: #38 Targetpractice

That, and the fact that under normal circumstances, the next General Election would be in 2020, a year after Brexit, meaning the Conservatives would be judged on the result at the ballot box…

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:38:53am

I’ll admit I lapped up a lot of what Louise Mensch and her ilk were serving a while ago because it gave me that feeling like planning what I’d do with all the money from my Powerball ticket I just bought.

Now I’m skeptical AF about anything changing the current course but the good old process of people doing the daily work of resist, protest, go to local meetings, gotv when and where it matters, etc.

Anyway, I’ve got to hit the CVS as soon as I can. I can barely open my eyes from the pollen.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:33:06am

I done kilt it.

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Alephnaught  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:37:33am

More likely- Theresa May killed it…

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Joe Bacon  Apr 18, 2017 • 5:07:28am

re: #13 Targetpractice

I’m surprised I didn’t see this story earlier…

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That sound you just heard is Wall St. shitting a collective brick. They were betting on Trump’s tax cuts by next year.

I didn’t realize until now that the Secretary of the Treasury is Mr. Sardonicus! Sure wish William Castle was still alive so I could vote in the Punishment Poll!

Definite Thumbs Down on EVERY Republican!
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Joe Bacon  Apr 18, 2017 • 5:24:28am

re: #36 Alephnaught

Well, that was a bit unexpected. UK PM Theresa May’s just made an announcement on the TV, and…

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Yes, there’s going to be a General Election on the 8th June!
More here…

Considering how Corbyn has decimated the Labour Party she thinks she will get a rerun of the 1983 election that slaughtered them. I’m wondering if there may be an opportunity for the Liberal Democrats to strike back after Cameron screwed them?

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Dr. Matt  Apr 18, 2017 • 5:36:59am

Oh jebus.

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jeffreyw  Apr 18, 2017 • 5:45:18am

Imgur
Good morning!

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 18, 2017 • 5:46:54am

re: #6 FormerDirtDart

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Its nice to see a serial killer stopped before he can get started on his killing spree. Sorry, Governor Hutchison.

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makeitstop  Apr 18, 2017 • 5:51:25am

A little good news this morning - the GoFundMe page to help Allan Holdsworth’s family cover his funeral expenses has raised nearly $100,000. Their goal was $20K.

It’s nice to see that his fans loved him that much.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 18, 2017 • 5:54:57am

re: #37 Anymouse

My guess is that Brexit didn’t go over as well as the Conservative Party thought it might. Either that or the Brexit campaign is tied up with the Yes California campaign that went defunct the other day after its proponent decided he wants to stay in Russia… .

Except Labour isn’t foursquare in the remain column and is so incompetently led that it has no hope of winning the election. One possible result may be a big win for the Scottish Independence Party as it pushes for another independence referendum next year.

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darthstar  Apr 18, 2017 • 6:12:33am
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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2017 • 6:13:46am

re: #13 Targetpractice

There’s absolutely no reason that anyone should have expected a tax plan coming out of the Trump/GOP cabal. They bet the entire farm on Ryan’s strategy to do Obamacare repeal first, which would free up tax revenues by gutting Medicare/Medicaid/Obamacare, and using that money to paper over the both phases of massive tax cuts that benefit the rich and corporations.

Without the Obamacare repeal, the entire thing goes back to square 1. Trump doesn’t get his campaign promise fulfilled - repealing and replacing Obamacare with something better and covers more people, and he doesn’t get his tax cuts.

Of course, the GOP is still trying to negotiate with itself over trying to resuscitate the Trumpcare - now in zombie form v.2. It’s still all vaporware and would still kick millions off coverage, which is why they’re trying to do all this on the down low and negotiate a deal between the mainstream extremists and the Freedom Caucus extremists to see how many millions lose coverage that would be acceptable to both sides.

My guess? 20-24 million lose coverage as acceptable for repealing Obamacare in the House. It’s the same bullshit as day 1. Every last one of the 60+ votes to repeal put the same metrics in play, and the CBO/JCT are going to score them all the same way.

The GOP doesn’t get the basic math, and that they don’t know how insurance works.

But now, we’ve got some idiot South Jersey Congressional Rep who worked in the insurance industry thinking he’s got a compromise plan that would work. This guy needs to go down hard next year. The GOP is coming to take your health care away, hike your premiums (and yes, even if you’ve got employer based coverage), and screw the safety net all so that people like Trump can shield even more of their wealth from taxes.

All their talk of compromise is just talking about how many millions lose coverage so the richest of all Americans see a bigger tax cut.

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darthstar  Apr 18, 2017 • 6:14:38am

re: #45 Dr. Matt

Oh jebus.

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Why hack into a database when you can just take a hard copy?

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darthstar  Apr 18, 2017 • 6:15:23am
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Franklin  Apr 18, 2017 • 6:20:41am

For any that have seen the movie Spotlight (or know the real life story), one of the abuse victims Joe Crowley passed away on Easter.

Here is a great article (paywall) by Sacha Pheiffer:

It was an honor to know you, Joe Crowley

He had recently suffered heart and respiratory failure and was in cardiac rehab, his illnesses worsened by years of heavy smoking and drinking. Listening to him rasp, I thought: the toll of the abuse he suffered as a teenager is still unfolding decades later.

Over the years, Joe often contacted me when he was distressed — feeling down, upset with his housing situation, frustrated that his poor health had left him financially destitute and unable to work. But since the movie, his mood had lifted.

“Sacha, I’m loving my life these days,” he wrote in September. “It’s imperfect, but … I have enormous gratitude for being alive… . I’m in a much better mindset these days. My attitude is so much better and my energy is much more hopeful and positive.”

In October came this text: “Unlike the majority of my life, I’m finally very comfortable in my skin. I’ve come to like and respect myself, which is 180 [degrees] from a lifetime of self-loathing. I have done a lot of work on myself and I actually like myself and have self-respect, at long last. And that’s a wonderful feeling.”

Joe Crowley died at age 58 on Easter Sunday, a date that can’t help but feel symbolic, his body finally surrendering to his illnesses. He passed away in an apartment he had recently moved into in Brookline, a private residence run by the Pine Street Inn homeless shelter.

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2017 • 6:20:58am
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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2017 • 6:28:44am
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Dave In Austin  Apr 18, 2017 • 6:30:35am

I see that leadership has not been to Church since entering into office. Whereas, Leadership in the past was in the pew every Easter.

Where is the outrage??/?

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I cannot.  Apr 18, 2017 • 6:35:14am

re: #57 Dave In Austin

It seems black and white to me (an evergreen comment, nowadays)

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darthstar  Apr 18, 2017 • 6:39:53am

“Must mean he’s an adult baby,” Waters mused, speaking of a sexual fetish in which adults get aroused by dressing and acting like babies. “All hookers will tell you, powerful men, the first thing they want to do in bed is give it up.”

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2017 • 6:40:38am
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darthstar  Apr 18, 2017 • 6:41:06am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 18, 2017 • 6:45:45am

That scene from Fargo will be in my head until the day I die. Brilliant.

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ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2017 • 6:49:54am

Morning.

I’m bummed out. I had to decline a nice job to build a web site. Just wrote the beg off email.

It was just too complicated in the functions needed for my understanding and the tools I have to work with. I hate turning down work as I need it. But, I also saw where it could be problematic with a high degree of time needed compared to success ratio and chance to upset the client and lose money.

Now to politics. So, it appears Donny can’t bomb and threaten his way to acceptance. Last week the media tried hard to sell him as making a turn and being presidential because he was decisive as a warrior.

Today I understand his poll numbers are still hovering around 40% and lower approval. In segments, he is trending down…like his numbers on being trustworthy.

Hopefully the Georgia District 6 election goes well and Jon Ossoff can steal a seat today. Should that happen Republicans might have to distance themselves from Trump and leave him high and dry a few months into his administration.

And the there is this constant drumbeat. It seems tax day demonstrations are not helping. They led to Tommy Cottontail getting his tail kicked at a town hall meeting last night in Little Rock. Good times!

Town Hall Crowd HUMILIATES Senator Tom Cotton for Defending Trump’s Hidden Tax Returns

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:04:21am

re: #55 lawhawk

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I am pretty familiar with MS-13. In fact, the only murder I can remember in my hometown was committed by MS-13 members. Obama was a newly elected Senator from Illinois when that happened. Yet another thing that Trump doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about.

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:05:43am

re: #63 ObserverArt

Trump and Rassmussen are both touting that he got to 50% in the Rassmussen polling.

Woo.

Rassmussen goes further, by claiming that they nailed the national polling and a Trump win.

Umm… they didn’t. Other pollsters got the national polling right - Clinton won popular vote by 2 points, so anyone that had polling showing Clinton winning was on the money in that respect. How that 2 point margin was distributed across the nation made all the difference, and Rassmussen had no way of knowing that all of under 100,000 votes in a handful of states would mean the difference between the nonstop drumbeat of a GOP demanding impeachment over nonexistent issues, and Trump engaging in high crimes and misdemeanors all enabled by a complicit GOP.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:06:48am

re: #64 HappyWarrior

I am pretty familiar with MS-13. In fact, the only murder I can remember in my hometown was committed by MS-13 members. Obama was a newly elected Senator from Illinois when that happened. Yet another thing that Trump doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about.

And neither do his supporters, the Fox news crowd, and he and Fox are counting on them not caring about the truth.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:07:28am

re: #66 Belafon

And neither do his supporters, the Fox news crowd, and he and Fox are counting on them not caring about the truth.

His supporters will believe any bullshit he pushes them.He knows that.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:08:09am

re: #64 HappyWarrior

I am pretty familiar with MS-13. In fact, the only murder I can remember in my hometown was committed by MS-13 members. Obama was a newly elected Senator from Illinois when that happened. Yet another thing that Trump doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about.

Happy, we have to deal with MS13 and the 18th Street gangs here in the Koreatown section of Los Angeles. For a while the City Attorney had a court injunction against them that sort of held them in check but then the ACLU got involved to weaken that…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:10:13am

re: #68 Joe Bacon

Happy, we have to deal with MS13 and the 18th Street gangs here in the Koreatown section of Los Angeles. For a while the City Attorney had a court injunction against them that sort of held them in check but then the ACLU got involved to weaken that…

I grew up in a fairly small town but we had a lot of El Salvadorian immigrants. The vast majority obviously were law abiding and good people. Trump knows he can make up any bullshit he wants about Obama and his deranged cult will buy it.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:12:12am

re: #69 HappyWarrior

I grew up in a fairly small town but we had a lot of El Salvadorian immigrants. The vast majority obviously were law abiding and good people. Trump knows he can make up any bullshit he wants about Obama and his deranged cult will buy it.

In addition to being Kenyan and Muslim, he was El Salvadorian and a member of MS13.

/

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:13:31am

re: #70 Belafon

In addition to being Kenyan and Muslim, he was El Salvadorian and a member of MS13.

/

The bastard!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:15:05am

I am not one to comment on matters of faith since I believe religion should be a private and personal matter but Trump talking about religion just seems to blatantly fake to me. I mean with some of these guys, you disagree like hell with them but the religious beliefs seem sincere even if against much of what you believe in but with a guy like Trump, it just couldn’t be more obvious that he’s trying to pander.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:22:47am

re: #72 HappyWarrior

I am not one to comment on matters of faith since I believe religion should be a private and personal matter but Trump talking about religion just seems to blatantly fake to me. I mean with some of these guys, you disagree like hell with them but the religious beliefs seem sincere even if against much of what you believe in but with a guy like Trump, it just couldn’t be more obvious that he’s trying to pander.

He’s playing the people who want to believe in Supply Side Jesus, and that the deserving are wealthy.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:24:12am

re: #73 Belafon

He’s playing the people who want to believe in Supply Side Jesus, and that the deserving a wealthy.

Yep.

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makeitstop  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:33:52am

re: #68 Joe Bacon

Happy, we have to deal with MS13 and the 18th Street gangs here in the Koreatown section of Los Angeles. For a while the City Attorney had a court injunction against them that sort of held them in check but then the ACLU got involved to weaken that…

There were four murders of students last year here in Brentwood, LI (three towns over from me), resulting in the arrests of 125 MS-13 members. And just last week, four more teens were found dead - and that was in Central Islip, just a town away from us.

Suffolk County has been pretty aggressive in going after MS-13. But it seems that for every gang member they put in jail, another one takes his place.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:35:31am

re: #75 makeitstop

There were four murders of students last year here in Brentwood, LI (three towns over from me), resulting in the arrests of 125 MS-13 members. And just last week, four more teens were found dead - and that was in Central Islip, just a town away from us.

Suffolk County has been pretty aggressive in going after MS-13. But it seems that for every gang member they put in jail, another one takes his place.

They dropped several bodies recently in Northern Virginia. Apparently started as an intra-gang rivalry and then they decided to kill off a couple witnesses so they didn’t talk.

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b_sharp  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:42:13am

re: #56 lawhawk

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Even in the debates Trump had to try to intimidate. The man is a bully.

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:42:46am

re: #75 makeitstop

MS-13 has been pretty aggressive in the NYC metro area for a long long time, but there’s been plenty of law enforcement pushback here too.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:43:17am

re: #65 lawhawk

Trump and Rassmussen are both touting that he got to 50% in the Rassmussen polling.

Woo.

Rassmussen goes further, by claiming that they nailed the national polling and a Trump win.

Umm… they didn’t. Other pollsters got the national polling right - Clinton won popular vote by 2 points, so anyone that had polling showing Clinton winning was on the money in that respect. How that 2 point margin was distributed across the nation made all the difference, and Rassmussen had no way of knowing that all of under 100,000 votes in a handful of states would mean the difference between the nonstop drumbeat of a GOP demanding impeachment over nonexistent issues, and Trump engaging in high crimes and misdemeanors all enabled by a complicit GOP.

Trump got a lower percentage of the popular vote than Romney. He won the election because a combination of the FBI, MSM and the Russians convinced just enough of the electorate that Clinton was too corrupt to vote for. Trump is unlikely to get to face a Democratic nominee as easy to demonize as Clinton was in 2020.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:44:13am

re: #73 Belafon

He’s playing the people who want to believe in Supply Side Jesus, and that the deserving a wealthy.

As I have noted many times before, the Calvinism runs strong in much of the US religious population. We seem to have a Calvin Ball style of government going on, too, only not the fun kind with a tiger and a kid running around.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:44:37am

re: #79 Big Beautiful Door

Trump is unlikely to get to face a Democratic nominee as easy to demonize as Clinton was in 2020.

But Fox News will give it the old college try.

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makeitstop  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:47:13am

re: #76 Timothy Watson

They dropped several bodies recently in Northern Virginia. Apparently started as an intra-gang rivalry and then they decided to kill off a couple witnesses so they didn’t talk.

My brother in law and I were talking about the latest killings - the victims were between 16 and 20 years old.

I think that high school kids are getting killed because the gang recruits are getting younger - and they’re so pumped up on being in a gang that any slight, even stupid high school bullshit, becomes a killing offense. It’s a bad situation.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:48:07am

re: #81 Timothy Watson

But Fox News will give it the old college try.

Jerome Corsi is probably already ghostwriting his book and Dinesh D’Sousa already pitching “Dem Nominee’s America”.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:49:25am

re: #76 Timothy Watson

They dropped several bodies recently in Northern Virginia. Apparently started as an intra-gang rivalry and then they decided to kill off a couple witnesses so they didn’t talk.

MS-13 is big in the Langley Park area and Sligo Creek Park down to the NW Branch of the Anacostia. I have some female friends who won’t ride their bikes in that section of the park without being in a group.

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I cannot.  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:52:28am

re: #72 HappyWarrior

He knows Two Corinthians backward and forward!

I also, am not one to comment on faith, never mind that I’m an atheist/agnostic/watevh, but yeah, I’m the same as you.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:54:23am

MS-13 and a couple obscure gangs are active in freakn’ Anniston, AL (pop. 23,000). Local LE is decidedly unhappy.

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CongoJack  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:58:11am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:58:41am

re: #87 CongoJack

Well isn’t this interesting:
Calexit Founder Bails On California Secession Bid And Sets Up Home In Russia

Things that make you go hmmmm.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:59:17am

re: #87 CongoJack

Well isn’t this interesting:
Calexit Founder Bails On California Secession Bid And Sets Up Home In Russia

If we can only get all the other Russia-philes to move there.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:05:33am

Here’s an interesting article on net neutrality that describes the history of other monopolistic enterprises and how the future of our internet is heading down the same path.

It is not a good future path that we are heading down, either.

There are a lot of scary things happening these days, but here’s what keeps me up late at night. A handful of corporations are turning our open internet into this:

These corporations want to lock down the internet and give us access to nothing more than a few walled gardens. They want to burn down the Library of Alexandria and replace it with a magazine rack.

Why? Because they’ll make more money that way.

This may sound like a conspiracy theory, but this process is moving forward at an alarming rate.

History is repeating itself.

So far, the story of the internet has followed the same tragic narrative that’s befallen other information technologies over the past 160 years:

   •  The telegram
   •  The telephone
   •  Cinema
   •  Radio
   •  Television

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:08:16am

re: #81 Timothy Watson

But Fox News will give it the old college try.

Just as they tried, and failed, with Obama.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:12:44am

re: #90 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Ok, I pagified that post. The pagify button is great. Thanks again, Charles.

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makeitstop  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:12:47am

I wonder how many of these cattle guys voted for Trump? Put another constituency in the ‘disgruntled’ column.

The $60 billion U.S. beef industry was one of the most ardent backers of the now-defunct free trade agreement known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership. That sweeping deal covered a dozen nations along the Pacific Rim, but the big prize for the United States was improved access to the 127 million consumers in Japan.

That is, until President Donald Trump formally withdrew from the agreement on his fourth day in office. On Tuesday, Vice President Mike Pence called TPP “a thing of the past.”

For the beef industry, the stakes are particularly high. Japan’s tariff on U.S. beef was slated to drop from 38.5 to 9 percent over the next 16 years under TPP. Now producers are pushing the administration to deliver terms that are at least as favorable.

“That’s the greatest market access ever negotiated — so far,” said Kent Bacus, director of international trade at the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association, a trade group. “We’re hopeful that the new administration will be able to strike a bilateral deal very soon and either improve upon that or at least get us the 9 percent that TPP would have offered.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:15:52am

Am I the only one who finds that Sassy Trump sounds far more intelligent than real Trump, even using real Trump’s words? He doesn’t have all the hesitations and speaks far more glibly than real Trump ever does.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:16:08am

re: #93 makeitstop

“We’re hopeful that the new administration will be able to strike a bilateral deal very soon and either improve upon that or at least get us the 9 percent that TPP would have offered.”

That’s so cute. No, really, does he think that the pumkin pinochet can broker a deal like that bilaterally with Japan? What’s the incentive for Japan? Maybe I’m just naive.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:16:53am

re: #93 makeitstop

I wonder how many of these cattle guys voted for Trump? Put another constituency in the ‘disgruntled’ column.

I didn’t know he meant it when he promised to screw my business over!

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:16:58am

re: #93 makeitstop

I wonder how many of these cattle guys voted for Trump? Put another constituency in the ‘disgruntled’ column.

They have no reason to complain. After all, this is one promise he clearly kept.

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Franklin  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:17:27am

re: #88 HappyWarrior

Things that make you go hmmmm.

There’s an emoji for that :)

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:19:18am

re: #95 Colère Tueur de Lapin

That’s so cute. No, really, does he think that the pumkin pinochet can broker a deal like that bilaterally with Japan? What’s the incentive for Japan? Maybe I’m just naive.

Trump makes the best deals! Look at how brilliantly he negotiated the repeal and replace of Obamacare!

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:21:38am

re: #95 Colère Tueur de Lapin

That’s so cute. No, really, does he think that the pumkin pinochet can broker a deal like that bilaterally with Japan? What’s the incentive for Japan? Maybe I’m just naive.

“But you’ll get our beef. I’ll even throw in an order of Trump Steaks (TM) for 150 cents on the Dollar.” - Trump

He actually pronounces the “TM”.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:21:58am

re: #95 Colère Tueur de Lapin

That’s so cute. No, really, does he think that the pumkin pinochet can broker a deal like that bilaterally with Japan? What’s the incentive for Japan? Maybe I’m just naive.

I thought it was worked out among various nations as a way to a U.S.-centered counterweight to China. How would that work if we negotiate individually with each country? Do you suppose China might have been against it?

But I was frustrated with Hillary for flip-flopping on the deal as she was forced on the issue by Bernie; and I was frustrated with Obama for not selling it in more simple terms. Maybe because the narrative that NAFTA alone was responsible for the hollowing out of the midwestern industrial base made any hint of support for TPP poisonous? I don’t know. Also, I’ve never known how true the allegation that the TPP would allow multinationals to hold governments hostage in court cases. I just wish there had been better discussion of it.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:23:06am

re: #93 makeitstop

I wonder how many of these cattle guys voted for Trump? Put another constituency in the ‘disgruntled’ column.

Not all of them. The Observer did an article about ranchers here in Texas voting for Clinton because of what Trump was promising.

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CongoJack  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:27:56am

re: #102 Belafon

Not all of them. The Observer did an article about ranchers here in Texas voting for Clinton because of what Trump was promising.

I assume not all ranchers are angry as they still think Trump will open up Federal land for them to destroy and use as they please (a la the Bundy Clan).

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:28:06am

re: #61 darthstar

In the small town where I went to college, someone had bought an old hearse and fitted the rear with tons of speakers so it thumped. It had “Crankenstein” painted on the sides in gothic script.

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I cannot.  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:28:06am
For the beef industry, the stakes STEAKS are particularly high.

WHAT?! Someone had to do it…

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Teukka  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:29:57am

re: #105 I cannot.

For the beef industry, the stakes STEAKS are particularly high.

WHAT?! Someone had to do it…

Isn’t it illegal to inject meat products and their precursors with hallucinogens?
*ducks*

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wheat-dogg  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:31:52am

I dropped this in the page about the Boston marathoner by mistake. Took me hours to realize the goof. So, reposting it here.

Charles, I’d like to report a problem. Sometimes when loading pages here for the first time, my browser gets hung up on use.fontsawesome.com, slowing down the page load. Not sure if has anything to do with my location or my VPN, but I thought you might check it out.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:32:17am

re: #101 Barefoot Grin

I thought it was worked out among various nations as a way to a U.S.-centered counterweight to China. How would that work if we negotiate individually with each country? Do you suppose China might have been against it?

But I was frustrated with Hillary for flip-flopping on the deal as she was forced on the issue by Bernie; and I was frustrated with Obama for not selling it in more simple terms. Maybe because the narrative that NAFTA alone was responsible for the hollowing out of the midwestern industrial base made any hint of support for TPP poisonous? I don’t know. Also, I’ve never known how true the allegation that the TPP would allow multinationals to hold governments hostage in court cases. I just wish there had been better discussion of it.

I have to say. I used to be more protectionist on trade but I really think a reasonable middle ground is needed and what Trump and Sanders both went at I think was a dishonest way of talking about trade deals especially Trump himself who has heavily benefited from those deals personally.

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:33:52am

All health insurers rely on coding to make sure that things are billed appropriately. If you adjust the way that a specific code is reimbursed, you can inflate the cost of a procedure without much effort at all.

In fact, that’s exactly what Price did.

If you need an ankle replacement, Price just made it a lot more expensive for all people who might need the procedure.

Who wins? The surgeons and hospitals where the procedures are done, and the medical suppliers whose joint replacement parts are covered by the rule.

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makeitstop  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:35:03am

re: #95 Colère Tueur de Lapin

That’s so cute. No, really, does he think that the pumkin pinochet can broker a deal like that bilaterally with Japan? What’s the incentive for Japan? Maybe I’m just naive.

The bigger question is ‘What’s the incentive for Trump?’ He doesn’t seem too motivated to do anything unless it adds to his bottom line.

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freetoken  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:36:07am

re: #90 Colère Tueur de Lapin

So far, the story of the internet has followed the same tragic narrative that’s befallen other information technologies over the past 160 years:

   •  The telegram
   •  The telephone
   •  Cinema
   •  Radio
   •  Television

Are you asserting that none of those should have been private (for profit) entities?

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:36:35am

re: #110 makeitstop

It’s not like Trump knows what good steaks taste like, not when he likes them well done and slathered in ketchup. /no, not sarc.

Seriously though, I don’t think it’s a priority to him but someone in his cabal might whisper in his ear to send Kushner to talk trade.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:36:45am

Trump voters should just admit it. They didn’t want to drain the swamp. They wanted an obnoxious asshole who spoke just like them to be in the Presidency. But hey let’s feel bad for them because they’re getting screwed over by policies we warned tham that Trump would do and they ignored us and called us PC Nazi libtards for pointing out that Trump not only is a bigoted obnoxious asshole, he’s an incompetent one too.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:40:01am

re: #110 makeitstop

The bigger question is ‘What’s the incentive for Trump?’ He doesn’t seem too motivated to do anything unless it adds to his bottom line.

He’ll buy a bunch of cattle futures before announcing the yuuuuge deal.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:40:06am

re: #108 HappyWarrior

I have to say. I used to be more protectionist on trade but I really think a reasonable middle ground is needed and what Trump and Sanders both went at I think was a dishonest way of talking about trade deals especially Trump himself who has heavily benefited from those deals personally.

I agree. The argument Pres. Obama consistently made was that TPP re-enforced America’s central role in creating a platform for fair trade in the Pacific region. If it really would have stripped more jobs from America, as opponents said, I wish there had been stronger push back. If it was really flawed, I’m willing to listen to that argument, too.

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Jay C  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:40:36am

re: #101 Barefoot Grin

I thought it was worked out among various nations as a way to a U.S.-centered counterweight to China. How would that work if we negotiate individually with each country? Do you suppose China might have been against it?

But I was frustrated with Hillary for flip-flopping on the deal as she was forced on the issue by Bernie; and I was frustrated with Obama for not selling it in more simple terms. Maybe because the narrative that NAFTA alone was responsible for the hollowing out of the midwestern industrial base made any hint of support for TPP poisonous? I don’t know. Also, I’ve never known how true the allegation that the TPP would allow multinationals to hold governments hostage in court cases. I just wish there had been better discussion of it.

It shouldn’t have been surprising that Hillary bailed on supporting the TPP during the campaign: as pointed out, it was political poison to the Left, while there was also widespread distrust/opposition from other sectors as well. And yes, IMO the “NAFTA Narrative” had a lot to do with the negatives: more “discussion” probably wouldn’t have been useful, since as Our Preznit has discovered, “trade issues is hard” and trying to sell the public on yet another complex multi-nation trade pact in the face of such wide-ranging negatives (right or wrong) wasn’t worth the political capital.

That said, though, I would imagine a President Hillary Clinton’s approach to revising/renegotiating the TPP would be vastly different from Trump’s: rather than just a blanket rejection, with vague promises of “deal-making”, I would imagine Hillary’s efforts would have been typical of her approach to most things: measured, negotiated, and effective - if near-terminally wonky. The Beef Lobby, say, might have had some of the same problems with the Japanese market,: but would probably get something of what they wanted in a low-key, under-the-table deal. Of course, with the Talking Yam in office, “low-key” anything is hardly feasible….

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:43:01am

re: #115 Barefoot Grin

I agree. The argument Pres. Obama consistently made was that TPP re-enforced America’s central role in creating a platform for fair trade in the Pacific region. If it really would have stripped more jobs from America, as opponents said, I wish there had been stronger push back. If it was really flawed, I’m willing to listen to that argument, too.

I honestly wish Clinton would have pointed out (or if she did, more strongly) that the purpose of TPP was to strengthen our bonds in the Pacific region against Chinese influence and that Trump’s protectionist rhetoric on trade would hurt our opportunities in that region. Unfortunately, Sanders and Trump both really dumbed down the debate on trade IMO where every trade deal was made out ot be awful and a betrayal of American workers.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:43:17am

re: #111 freetoken

Are you asserting that none of those should have been private (for profit) entities?

Not in the least. Did you read the article? It is about the capitalistic market that shifts into a government sanctioned monopoly. Not at all that those things are inherently evil as private entities. Please read before you criticize of infer things that are not there.

Access to the ‘net is potentially going down the same road that all of those above listed entities went, and it is not healthy.

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b_sharp  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:43:28am

In Saskatchewan we know a well trained beaver is better than no beaver at all.

Canadian Ranch Moment - Beaver Leading Cattle

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wheat-dogg  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:43:28am

re: #94 Hecuba’s daughter

Am I the only one who finds that Sassy Trump sounds far more intelligent than real Trump, even using real Trump’s words? He doesn’t have all the hesitations and speaks far more glibly than real Trump ever does.

Sassy Trump has the benefit of a working brain. Real Trump has a giant turnip inside his skull.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:43:35am

re: #116 Jay C

It shouldn’t have been surprising that Hillary bailed on supporting the TPP during the campaign: as pointed out, it was political poison to the Left, while there was also widespread distrust/opposition from other sectors as well. And yes, IMO the “NAFTA Narrative” had a lot to do with the negatives: more “discussion” probably wouldn’t have been useful, since as Our Preznit has discovered, “trade issues is hard” and trying to sell the public on yet another complex multi-nation trade pact in the face of such wide-ranging negatives (right or wrong) wasn’t worth the political capital.

That said, though, I would imagine a President Hillary Clinton’s approach to revising/renegotiating the TPP would be vastly different from Trump’s: rather than just a blanket rejection, with vague promises of “deal-making”, I would imagine Hillary’s efforts would have been typical of her approach to most things: measured, negotiated, and effective - if near-terminally wonky. The Beef Lobby, say, might have had some of the same problems with the Japanese market,: but would probably get something of what they wanted in a low-key, under-the-table deal. Of course, with the Talking Yam in office, “low-key” anything is hardly feasible….

Thanks. That makes sense.

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MsJ  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:43:40am

re: #51 lawhawk

Fabulous! Great information.

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ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:49:54am

re: #79 Big Beautiful Door

Trump got a lower percentage of the popular vote than Romney. He won the election because a combination of the FBI, MSM and the Russians convinced just enough of the electorate that Clinton was too corrupt to vote for. Trump is unlikely to get to face a Democratic nominee as easy to demonize as Clinton was in 2020.

Would that be Bernie?

Yeah, there are rumblings he is considering a run again.

Don’t Bernie. Don’t do it for America!

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wheat-dogg  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:50:39am

re: #111 freetoken

Are you asserting that none of those should have been private (for profit) entities?

I read the same article, which says every previous communications technology has eventually been co-opted by corporations, which then work on shutting out amateur involvement with the help of federal regulation. Anymouse’s amateur radio and the diversified nature of the Internet are the sole holdouts.

The argument is not that corporations should have taken advantage of the tech, but that they should not have been given free rein to entirely take them over, and quash competition from the little guys.

Not that Google Fibre is a little guy.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:52:54am

re: #123 ObserverArt

Would that be Bernie?

Yeah, there are rumblings he is considering a run again.

Don’t Bernie. Don’t do it for America!

Would America even consider electing a 79 year old man to be President?

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:53:00am

This entire timeline is a treasure trove — live-tweeting proceedings in Alex Jones’ custody case.

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makeitstop  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:53:07am

The Facebook Live killer is dead.

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:54:15am
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Timothy Watson  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:54:32am

re: #127 makeitstop

The Facebook Live killer is dead.

[Embedded content]

Much sadness, #1 ratings for the week, 50 share easy, if it had been streamed live.

///Faye Dunaway in Network

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:54:38am

re: #125 Timothy Watson

Would America even consider electing a 79 year old man to be President?

I hope that the public would not be so shortsighted, but I have little hope that they are after viewing what counts for political discourse, now.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:55:10am

re: #123 ObserverArt

Would that be Bernie?

Yeah, there are rumblings he is considering a run again.

Don’t Bernie. Don’t do it for America!

I think it’s unknown who it is at this point but I really hope it’s not Bernie. Two white guys over 70 as both party’s nominees in 2020……. I mean I hate to come off ageist but Bernie’s five years older than Trump is and this country really doesn’t have a great track record tbh with really old president elects. Plus, I don’t think Sanders would be great at assembling a kick ass cabinet and advisers. I have no idea who he would have made his running mate but after seeing the Bros push Gabbard or Nina Turner for him, it makes me wonder if they think someone’s good simply because tehy attached themselves to Bernie. If I recall, Biden endorsed neither Obama or Clinton in 2008 after his run ended but Biden was a great choice because Biden understands politics and people very well.

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:57:35am

re: #129 Timothy Watson

Much sadness, #1 ratings for the week, 50 share easy, if it had been streamed live.

///Faye Dunaway in Network

You nailed the Network, but it sounds so Doge to my ears eyes.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:57:37am

re: #125 Timothy Watson

Would America even consider electing a 79 year old man to be President?

It’s pretty surreal to think he’d be older than Reagan was after Reagan left office. And Bernie’s age definitely does matter. McCain’s certainly did. I mean I hate to make age an issue but it is an issue and it’s definitely an issue when I don’t know if I can trust who you surround yourself with. I mean I was voting Obama over McCain anyhow but I think when McCain made Palin his running mate, that put a lot of people who might be on the fence towards Obama because it made them question his judgment. When DF was still here, he said that McCain would have been fine and that his health since losing the presidency was proof of that but being a Senator and President are two totally different jobs.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:58:34am

re: #126 A wild WITHAK appeared!

[Embedded content]

This entire timeline is a treasure trove — live-tweeting proceedings in Alex Jones’ custody case.

[Big bowl of chili]

Must be how he gets his brainfarts.

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ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:58:51am

re: #99 Big Beautiful Door

Trump makes the best deals! Look at how brilliantly he negotiated the repeal and replace of Obamacare!

Best ______ days of a new Presidential term ever.

“We are doing great things. So many great things.”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 8:59:38am

To me, who you surround yourself with as far as advisers are concerned means a lot. Hence why I liked more of Clinton ‘12 than Clinton ‘08. Mark Penn was the old Democratic boys club all the way in 2008. Robby Mook meanwhile was a younger guy with some fresh approaches.

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freetoken  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:00:59am

re: #118 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Access to the ‘net is potentially going down the same road that all of those above listed entities went, and it is not healthy.

Since when was “access to the ‘net” not been highly restrictive, if not monopolistic?

Utilities tend towards monopolies for reasons, some of them good reasons.

Could a community implement a fiber network as part of a community property effort, akin to public parks?

Yes, but I notice how few communities actually do this. And no, it’s not because of some evil monopoly holding an incorporated community under their thumbs.

Towns just don’t do it because, apparently, people don’t want to do it. A few small towns here or there, or a neighborhood here or there, but mostly it’s not happening.

Very, very few Americans have ever had multiple possible accesses to the internet, in the sense of true competition. Even in the old days of AOL and Compuserve the access was through your local monopolistic telephone company.

re: #124 wheat-dogg

The argument is not that corporations should have taken advantage of the tech, but that they should not have been given free rein to entirely take them over, and quash competition from the little guys.

I may have sympathy for that, but I am also convinced that the “little guys” will simply morph into a few big entities (through buyouts or hostile mergers or subversion.)

Society has been down this path in many different ways.

Automobiles were initially just neat inventions, and all sorts of companies sprang up. But they coalesced (in this country) into a hand full of big corporations (yes, with gov’t help.)

Railroads were just a neat invention and started to spring up all over the place, and then started to coalesce into large and powerful mega-corps (and yes, lots of gov’t help there.)

I guess I don’t expect the “internet”, if by that we mean the actual connectivity and not the content, to be any different.

As I wrote above, if a community wanted to they could install their own public local network, pay for access then to larger global communication infrastructures, or work with other government entities to connect the local town to educational and federal backbones.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:01:09am

I’d still vote for Sanders over Trump of course over any Republican but the fact of the matter is I think we can, should, and will do better than Sanders in 2020.

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MsJ  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:06:27am

re: #138 HappyWarrior

I’d still vote for Sanders over Trump of course over any Republican but the fact of the matter is I think we can, should, and will do better than Sanders in 2020.

As would I, but only because I would have to.

I hate Sanders with the fire of 1000 suns. He is totally full of shit; all talk no action. He is exactly the Dem I would never want in the WH.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:07:54am

re: #139 MsJ

As would I, but only because I would have to.

I hate Sanders with the fire of 1000 suns. He is totally full of shit; all talk no action. He is exactly the Dem I would never want in the WH.

That’s exactly my problem with him. He’s a lot of talk but no action. And until very recently, he had never even campaigned for a Dem before. And I’m very rubbed the wrong way that he’s inserted himself into my state’s gubernatorial race and that’s with him supporting the candidate I support.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:08:36am

re: #137 freetoken

I can foresee a town trying to connect directly to the backbone, thereby circumventing their local ISP, which would then bring the full pressure of its legal team on the town’s government to discourage such a project.

Google is fighting an uphill battle in some communities with its fibre project, because the big ISPs do not want the competition. They know that Google will offer far better service at lower prices. My cousin in KC has Google fiber, and he’s in seventh heaven.

en.wikipedia.org

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electrotek  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:09:05am

Now in a new interview with Chilean radio station Futuro, Araya says he was “taken aback by the response” to the photo and that he “didn’t realize that [it] was gonna piss so many Slayer fans off.”

Araya doubled down on his criticism, saying: “That’s what America has become. It’s become a bunch of people that, because they didn’t get their way, they’re mad. I shared a picture that I thought was funny. They can’t even joke. They can’t even laugh at themselves. They can’t even have fun. And that just is amazing that it’s come to that. We’re a nation of crybabies.”

Fuck Slayer.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:09:31am

I get that may sound hypocritical given that one of my problems with Sanders is that he’s never done much for other Dems but hear me out. I have a problem with him inserting himself into Virginia politics because A) I really don’t think he knows much about our politics, B) I do NOT want him spreading bs about Northam who I like and respect but happen to be supporting his opponent and C) this is one of those states that Clinton beat him big in the primary and his people just dismissed us as a Southern state.

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b_sharp  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:10:32am

Is it possible in America to nominate & elect a dog as president?

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:11:27am

But dogs will do.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:11:35am

re: #142 electrotek

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Fuck Slayer.

You know every time I hear “We/you’ve become a nation of crybabies.”, I want to ask that person if they’ve ever listened to Trump speak. The guy is the biggest crybaby I’ve ever seen. We’re talking about a man who seriously sued a comic (Maher) because Maher said Trump’s mother was an orangutan. So yeah, mock safe spaces and shit all you want but you people who talk loudest about that shit elected the biggest crybaby of them all.

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Jenner7  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:11:42am

Ugh. I really cannot deal with twitter today. Non stop bullshit from this Hillary hate book.

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:11:59am

re: #144 b_sharp

Is it possible in America to nominate & elect a dog as president?

An improvement?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:12:46am

re: #147 Jenner7

Ugh. I really cannot deal with twitter today. Non stop bullshit from this Hillary hate book.

One of my lefty purer than thou friends posted Sully’s “Don’t feel sorry for HRC” screed. It’s honestly really sad. They’ll post anything by anyone to justify their hatred that everything bad is the Dem establishment’s fault including shit by a Bell Curve racist like Sully.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:13:24am

re: #144 b_sharp

Is it possible in America to nominate & elect a dog as president?

I’d take one. Dogs are loyal. That’s more than you can say about Trump. Plus Trump apparently hates dogs.

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Jenner7  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:13:55am

This book has one job: To set the narrative that Hillary was just as bad as Trump.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:14:02am

re: #147 Jenner7

Ugh. I really cannot deal with twitter today. Non stop bullshit from this Hillary hate book.

I’ve been too busy with other stuff lately — tax prep, school stuff — that I haven’t been on Twitter much. And that’s OK.

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danarchy  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:15:06am

re: #137 freetoken

I guess I don’t expect the “internet”, if by that we mean the actual connectivity and not the content, to be any different.

That is sort of the whole point behind the article and net neutrality. That those last mile companies, your Comcast, cox,charter, verizon etc. want to not just sell you connectivity, they want to tier that access so they can charge you a different amount if you want access to netflix and hulu, or on the other end charge netflix and hulu for the bandwidth they are using on their networks or to prioritize their traffic even though the end user has already paid for that bandwidth.

As for towns doing their own ISP, it happens. The last time I moved one of the towns I was looking at had a municipal ISP. It was one of the reasons I decided to not move there, because it was the only ISP allowed in the town, they blocked any attempt for private companies to move in. The place I ended up moving to at least had the option of either Charter or Verizon Fios.

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sagehen  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:16:15am

re: #101 Barefoot Grin

Also, I’ve never known how true the allegation that the TPP would allow multinationals to hold governments hostage in court cases. I just wish there had been better discussion of it.

Not exactly on point, but here’s a sort of example courtesy John Oliver:

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Tobacco (HBO)

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danarchy  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:16:27am

re: #144 b_sharp

Is it possible in America to nominate & elect a dog as president?

Unfortunately I don’t think any of our furry friends would ever reach the age requirements.

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MsJ  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:16:34am

re: #140 HappyWarrior

That’s exactly my problem with him. He’s a lot of talk but no action. And until very recently, he had never even campaigned for a Dem before. And I’m very rubbed the wrong way that he’s inserted himself into my state’s gubernatorial race and that’s with him supporting the candidate I support.

He’s worse than “never even campaigned for a Dem before”…he actively campaigns against democrats. He harms more than any good he has ever done.

Fuck him. He’s the trump of the left.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:17:08am

re: #141 wheat-dogg

I can foresee a town trying to connect directly to the backbone, thereby circumventing their local ISP, which would then bring the full pressure of its legal team on the town’s government to discourage such a project.

Google is fighting an uphill battle in some communities with its fibre project, because the big ISPs do not want the competition. They know that Google will offer far better service at lower prices. My cousin in KC has Google fiber, and he’s in seventh heaven.

en.wikipedia.org

A number of states already have laws that prevent their cities from setting up municipal internet service, because they care about profits. The FCC under Obama blocked them. I don’t know if Trump’s has overturned that yet.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:17:33am

re: #143 HappyWarrior

I get that may sound hypocritical given that one of my problems with Sanders is that he’s never done much for other Dems but hear me out. I have a problem with him inserting himself into Virginia politics because A) I really don’t think he knows much about our politics, B) I do NOT want him spreading bs about Northam who I like and respect but happen to be supporting his opponent and C) this is one of those states that Clinton beat him big in the primary and his people just dismissed us as a Southern state.

I have nothing to add to this. *whistles innocently*

(:

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b_sharp  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:17:33am

re: #155 danarchy

Unfortunately I don’t think any of our furry friends would ever reach the age requirements.

Dog years.

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MsJ  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:18:28am

re: #141 wheat-dogg

I can foresee a town trying to connect directly to the backbone, thereby circumventing their local ISP, which would then bring the full pressure of its legal team on the town’s government to discourage such a project.

Google is fighting an uphill battle in some communities with its fibre project, because the big ISPs do not want the competition. They know that Google will offer far better service at lower prices. My cousin in KC has Google fiber, and he’s in seventh heaven.

en.wikipedia.org

Some Republican held localities have enacted legislation specifically to disallow Google (but not worded that way because they would lose a court battle).

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wheat-dogg  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:19:03am

re: #159 b_sharp

Dog years.

So any doggo older than 5 could qualify. Finding an interpreter for those international confabs would be a problem, though.

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Puss Power  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:19:52am

re: #144 b_sharp

Is it possible in America to nominate & elect a dog as president?

Sadly, there aren’t many 35-year-old dogs.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:21:10am

re: #156 MsJ

He’s worse than “never even campaigned for a Dem before”…he actively campaigns against democrats. He harms more than any good he has ever done.

Fuck him. He’s the trump of the left.

I’ve come to believe the same. I hope he’s a total non-factor in 2020 but he’s got a following.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:21:12am

re: #160 MsJ

Some Republican held localities have enacted legislation specifically to disallow Google (but not worded that way because they would lose a court battle).

The Virginia General Assembly tried to pass legislation this year to stop localities from creating a broadband authority. That provision was stripped from the bill before it was passed:
roanoke.com

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CongoJack  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:21:34am

re: #161 wheat-dogg

So any doggo older than 5 could qualify. Finding an interpreter for those international confabs would be a problem, though.

Not like the current translators aren’t having problems with the current Administration’s word salad shooter. In fact I am almost certain that a dog would be able to be translated easier. But in the dogs case when he/she smells your crotch he/she is just saying ‘hello’.

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b.d.  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:21:37am

re: #144 b_sharp

Is it possible in America to nominate & elect a dog as president?

re: #155 danarchy

Unfortunately I don’t think any of our furry friends would ever reach the age requirements.

A tortious it is then! And not the one from Kentucky….

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:23:29am

re: #137 freetoken

Since when was “access to the ‘net” not been highly restrictive, if not monopolistic?

Utilities tend towards monopolies for reasons, some of them good reasons.

Could a community implement a fiber network as part of a community property effort, akin to public parks?

Yes, but I notice how few communities actually do this. And no, it’s not because of some evil monopoly holding an incorporated community under their thumbs.

Towns just don’t do it because, apparently, people don’t want to do it. A few small towns here or there, or a neighborhood here or there, but mostly it’s not happening.

Very, very few Americans have ever had multiple possible accesses to the internet, in the sense of true competition. Even in the old days of AOL and Compuserve the access was through your local monopolistic telephone company.

I may have sympathy for that, but I am also convinced that the “little guys” will simply morph into a few big entities (through buyouts or hostile mergers or subversion.)

Society has been down this path in many different ways.

Automobiles were initially just neat inventions, and all sorts of companies sprang up. But they coalesced (in this country) into a hand full of big corporations (yes, with gov’t help.)

Railroads were just a neat invention and started to spring up all over the place, and then started to coalesce into large and powerful mega-corps (and yes, lots of gov’t help there.)

I guess I don’t expect the “internet”, if by that we mean the actual connectivity and not the content, to be any different.

As I wrote above, if a community wanted to they could install their own public local network, pay for access then to larger global communication infrastructures, or work with other government entities to connect the local town to educational and federal backbones.

I know the guy who founded my ISP. (He’s a jerk. His jerk ex-wife has a shop around the corner. The original IT guy sorted out all the phone lines in here when I opened my shop. He’s nice, and still there.) That said, they used Qwest lines (now, whoever bought them). Hybrids have their advantages.

This doesn’t address content. I only read LGF and a very selective twitter feed. Other content sucks, AFAIK.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:23:36am

re: #137 freetoken

Since when was “access to the ‘net” not been highly restrictive, if not monopolistic?

Yes, it is monopolistic. But, with the removal of net neutrality regulations it can become infinitely more restrictive. Your local ISP can throttle out any content provider they wish and basically make access to only sites to be that they permit; e.g., their entertainment sources.

You touched, but only briefly on local accessing the backbone. The last mile of access is expensive. The last50 feet of access is really expensive. Server and router points are expensive and complicated to maintain. Small communities can’t afford this, nor will they have the resources to access any entry onto the backbone.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:24:02am

re: #160 MsJ

Some Republican held localities have enacted legislation specifically to disallow Google (but not worded that way because they would lose a court battle).

I can understand wanting to protect the local outfit from big Google, but the local outfit is probably relying on Comcast, Verizon, etc., for its own connection. Google access would force the big ISP to lower its rates, making the little ISP more competitive. No reason why it couldn’t switch to Google’s fiber and run localized services for the townsfolk.

But most of these legislators have no idea what they’re talking about in re: the Inter-tubes, so I don’t think they thought these laws through.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:24:57am

re: #158 Timothy Watson

I have nothing to add to this. *whistles innocently*

(:

Ha! TBH, I really wanted to give him a chance when he first ran because I felt Clinton had too much baggage but his campaign style and general style really rubbed me the wrong way. Plus he showed me that he would make a poor President. The guy simply isn’t what I want in a leader. He’s inflexible, too damn headstrong, and already knows the answer to every question. I mean, I want more lefty economic policies too but Sanders thinks all our problems can be traced to WS which I think isn’t true and honestly I’d be a hypocrite if I had a problem with how Republicans demonize federal workers and not have a problem with how Sanders talks about people on Wall Street. Are there some less than honest people on WS? Of course, but are there are also good people? Yes, too. When Sanders shits on “liberal elites,”, he’s attacking liberal people whose sin in his eyes is having some wealth and that’s no way to build a party. I’d rather have those people in our coalition than working class whites who would leave us anyhow for Trump or right wing phony populism.

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ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:26:04am

re: #144 b_sharp

Is it possible in America to nominate & elect a dog as president?

Yes. We already have a pig that doubles as an ass.

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b_sharp  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:26:30am

re: #162 Puss Power

Sadly, there aren’t many 35-year-old dogs.

In dog years there are.

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b_sharp  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:28:07am

re: #171 ObserverArt

Yes. We already have a pig that doubles as an ass.

There we go.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:29:35am

re: #167 wrenchwench

I know the guy who founded my ISP. (He’s a jerk. His jerk ex-wife has a shop around the corner. The original IT guy sorted out all the phone lines in here when I opened my shop. He’s nice, and still there.) That said, they used Qwest lines (now, whoever bought them). Hybrids have their advantages.

This doesn’t address content. I only read LGF and a very selective twitter feed. Other content sucks, AFAIK.

Interestingly, here in my city of 300,000 or so people, we have about six or seven ISP’s to choose from. All fiber-optic as well. I pay the local currency equivalent of $25 per month for internet.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:32:01am

re: #168 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Yes, it is monopolistic. But, with the removal of net neutrality regulations it can become infinitely more restrictive. Your local ISP can throttle out any content provider they wish and basically make access to only sites to be that they permit; e.g., their entertainment sources.

IIRC, the big three networks tried very hard to restrict cable TV from competing with them, until they realized it would be far better to join them than fight them. Ditto Ma Bell, which had a total monopoly of telephone service and equipment, until finally someone was allowed to sell people phones they could keep, and not just rent from the telephone company.

Cellular providers apply a similar trick by locking the handsets they “sell” to their own network. When I first came to China, I had to perform some technical wizardry on my phone so I could use it with a Chinese carrier.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:32:11am

re: #174 Dr Lizardo

Interestingly, here in my city of 300,000 or so people, we have about six or seven ISP’s to choose from. All fiber-optic as well. I pay the local currency equivalent of $25 per month for internet.

I wish Texas would do to their fiber what they’ve done with electricity. The electrical provider is separate from the company that owns the wires. That has significantly driven down my costs. It really should be that way with fiber.

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darthstar  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:32:53am

Prediction (under the water, wet variety): If Ossof wins in Georgia, Trump will call for an investigation.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:33:39am

re: #175 wheat-dogg

IIRC, the big three networks tried very hard to restrict cable TV from competing with them, until they realized it would be far better to join them than fight them. Ditto Ma Bell, which had a total monopoly of telephone service and equipment, until finally someone was allowed to sell people phones they could keep, and not just rent from the telephone company.

Cellular providers apply a similar trick by locking the handsets they “sell” to their own network. When I first came to China, I had to perform some technical wizardry on my phone so I could use it with a Chinese carrier.

MA Bell was forced to break up, before that it was a government regulated monopoly. Which worked great until too many mergers occurred.

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:36:00am

It’s a stretch to think that the Democrats would put Bernie up in 2020, though I certainly expect him to run as a Democrat because it’s easier to go with an established party than try to do it as an independent. For starters, he was widely rejected by Democrat voters in the 2016 primaries (we know the numbers - it really wasn’t close by any metric chosen - popular vote, delegates, delegates without supers, by states won, open/closed primaries, etc.)

And yet, Bernie’s still a world better than Trump, particularly on the domestic front where Bernie wouldn’t try gutting the safety net, and instead sees the need for a functioning government.

With Bernie, the key would be who his choice of VP would be, and who he surrounds himself with as advisers.

If he were to elevate Gabbard, I’d send up serious red flags given that Gabbard’s got an entire swarm of them.

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:38:07am

re: #174 Dr Lizardo

Interestingly, here in my city of 300,000 or so people, we have about six or seven ISP’s to choose from. All fiber-optic as well. I pay the local currency equivalent of $25 per month for internet.

My home account is a little higher than that. My business account is triple that. For very similar usage. Businesses get charged more for everything. As a sole proprietor, I should not be charged business rates for anything. And all self-sustaining expenses should be deductible (home rent, food, etc.) I’m just a tool!

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:40:04am

re: #178 Belafon

MA Bell was forced to break up, before that it was a government regulated monopoly. Which worked great until too many mergers occurred.

Wasn’t it MCI that caused the breakup of Ma Bell way back in the day? It’s been so long.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:40:15am

re: #118 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Not in the least. Did you read the article? It is about the capitalistic market that shifts into a government sanctioned monopoly. Not at all that those things are inherently evil as private entities. Please read before you criticize of infer things that are not there.

Access to the ‘net is potentially going down the same road that all of those above listed entities went, and it is not healthy.

Problem is that the people who control the services also control the content. That is like letting trucking companies own the roads.

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CongoJack  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:40:20am

re: #179 lawhawk

If Jeff Weaver is anywhere near that campaign I won’t know what to do with myself.

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makeitstop  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:40:39am

re: #142 electrotek

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Fuck Slayer.

Yeah. ‘Snowflakes’ did it for me. It’s a sign that Arraya has switched off his brain.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:40:40am

re: #178 Belafon

MA Bell was forced to break up, before that it was a government regulated monopoly. Which worked great until too many mergers occurred.

And the Baby Bells have been coalescing ever since.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:41:27am

re: #179 lawhawk

It’s a stretch to think that the Democrats would put Bernie up in 2020, though I certainly expect him to run as a Democrat because it’s easier to go with an established party than try to do it as an independent. For starters, he was widely rejected by Democrat voters in the 2016 primaries (we know the numbers - it really wasn’t close by any metric chosen - popular vote, delegates, delegates without supers, by states won, open/closed primaries, etc.)

And yet, Bernie’s still a world better than Trump, particularly on the domestic front where Bernie wouldn’t try gutting the safety net, and instead sees the need for a functioning government.

With Bernie, the key would be who his choice of VP would be, and who he surrounds himself with as advisers.

If he were to elevate Gabbard, I’d send up serious red flags given that Gabbard’s got an entire swarm of them.

I really do wonder who Bernie would go for VP, SOS, Supreme Court, etc. I just think Sanders is a limited candidate who gets a lot of attention because he has very ambitious promises. And I can see why he has appeal but he’s not for me. But yeah I agree with your accessment LH.

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freetoken  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:41:30am

re: #168 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Small communities can’t afford this, nor will they have the resources to access any entry onto the backbone.

And thus monopolies are born.

Regarding net neutrality - this is problematic but I am not sure that my provider (Cox cable) had not previously implemented a bias in provision anyway.

In other words, I noticed even before the net neutrality change that my throughput to specific sources was better than others.

A for-pay service (like Netflix) rarely had streaming problems. Apple servers always seem to be very fast for Cox.

But some general blog site run by joe-blow - not as good throughput.

That is, Cox appeared to me to have already implemented (whether through hardware or software) bigger pipes to for-pay outlets, then misc parts of the internet.

I saw a change last year, for accessing content on Japanese sites. This happened after a new cable was brought online, that connected Japan (via Hokkaido IIRC) to North America, and also IIRC, Google’s parent company was involved in the cable drop.

So, yes, we are moving to a tiered on-line society, with the upper-class of webizens (e.g., Apple, Netflix) having better accessibility to the masses, while the lower-class of webizens get pushed to the back of the metaphorical bus.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:42:18am

re: #183 CongoJack

If Jeff Weaver is anywhere near that campaign I won’t know what to do with myself.

If he’s smart, he’d get a mostly new staff if he runs in 2020. Weaver and DeVine were awful.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:42:37am

The surrogates for the most part were awful too.

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freetoken  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:43:44am

Apparently wearing pants is a scandal for American Christianists:

JINGER DUGGAR PANTS SCANDAL HAPPENED BECAUSE JEREMY VUOLO ISN’T AS EXTREME AS JIM BOB DUGGAR

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:44:19am

re: #181 Dr Lizardo

Wasn’t it MCI that caused the breakup of Ma Bell way back in the day? It’s been so long.


Wikipedia
to the rescue: The government, in 1974, filed an anti-trust lawsuit which ultimately ended in the company’s breakup.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:45:15am

If Democrats are smart (and we are a lot more intelligent than Republicans), Bernie would lose the nomination in a landslide. Unfortunately the Bros will take their ball,go home, and blame the establishment for the ensuing Republican victory.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:45:27am

re: #190 freetoken

Apparently wearing pants is a scandal for American Christianists:

Does the Bible say anything at all about trousers?

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danarchy  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:47:41am

re: #180 wrenchwench

My home account is a little higher than that. My business account is triple that. For very similar usage. Businesses get charged more for everything. As a sole proprietor, I should not be charged business rates for anything. And all self-sustaining expenses should be deductible (home rent, food, etc.) I’m just a tool!

Usually what you are paying for on a business account is the SLA(Service Level Agreement). Meaning if the connection goes down they are much more likely to respond promptly to a business account than a home account. In reality the penalties in most of those SLAs are kind of a joke so they don’t really provide that much of an incentive.

“Gee thanks, my internet has been down for a week so you are going to credit me a couple of days at the end of the month. How altruistic of you.”

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:48:15am

re: #193 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Does the Bible say anything at all about trousers?

Did trousers even exist back then?

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Teukka  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:48:36am

re: #190 freetoken

Apparently wearing pants is a scandal for American Christianists:

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And they get ‘noid when others voluntarily put a niqab etc on?

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:48:36am

re: #186 HappyWarrior

I really do wonder who Bernie would go for VP, SOS, Supreme Court, etc. I just think Sanders is a limited candidate who gets a lot of attention because he has very ambitious promises. And I can see why he has appeal but he’s not for me. But yeah I agree with your accessment LH.

What I find a curious intersection is that had Bernie won the primary and gone on to win, my brother’s high school alma mater would have been able to claim that they had graduates who were the Senior Senator from NY (and Senate Minority Leader) Schumer, The Notorious RBG on the US Supreme Court, and Sanders in WH all at the same time. All 3 went at different times to the public high school, but it’s remarkable nonetheless.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:50:50am

re: #190 freetoken

Apparently wearing pants is a scandal for American Christianists:

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Video

I can imagine the uproar if she had gone out in public wearing yoga pants.

Chip and Joanna Gaines in Waco have a home fixer-upper show on cable TV. I watched several episodes at my daughter’s place last year. Joanna has a thing for shiplap. Every interior she designs has at least one room with shiplap. 0_o Not sure about their religious preferences regarding clothing, though.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:51:15am

re: #197 lawhawk

What I find a curious intersection is that had Bernie won the primary and gone on to win, my brother’s high school alma mater would have been able to claim that they had graduates who were the Senior Senator from NY (and Senate Minority Leader) Schumer, The Notorious RBG on the US Supreme Court, and Sanders in WH all at the same time. All 3 went at different times to the public high school, but it’s remarkable nonetheless.

That is pretty remarkable. And in your scenario, Chuck’s likely majority leader too. We don’t really have too many famous alums of my HS. I mean a guy a year behind me did make a shot that got Villanova into the Final Four but unfortunately he never made it to the NBA and a guy a year ahead of me who I even played baseball with is in the Majors right now and a good role player for the Cleveland Indians but no one with the name of RBG, Schumer, and Sanders.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:51:37am

re: #195 Dr Lizardo

Did trousers even exist back then?

exactly. the Bible talks about women not wearing “clothing pertaining to a man”, but back then, neither men nor women wore trousers…

again, this is not about the Bible, it is about patriarchy and seeing women as chattel

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:52:01am

re: #194 danarchy

Usually what you are paying for on a business account is the SLA(Service Level Agreement). Meaning if the connection goes down they are much more likely to respond promptly to a business account than a home account. In reality the penalties in most of those SLAs are kind of a joke so they don’t really provide that much of an incentive.

“Gee thanks, my internet has been down for a week so you are going to credit me a couple of days at the end of the month. How altruistic of you.”

And the fact that their office is two blocks from my shop is totally irrelevant, I think.

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danarchy  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:52:52am

re: #187 freetoken

Regarding net neutrality - this is problematic but I am not sure that my provider (Cox cable) had not previously implemented a bias in provision anyway.

In other words, I noticed even before the net neutrality change that my throughput to specific sources was better than others.

A for-pay service (like Netflix) rarely had streaming problems. Apple servers always seem to be very fast for Cox.

But some general blog site run by joe-blow - not as good throughput.

I’m inclined to believe that what you are observing there has more to do with Netflix and Apple having a better infrastructure than Joe Blow blogger.

It doesn’t matter how much bandwidth you have if the servers and pipes on the other end are saturated.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:53:09am

re: #192 Hecuba’s daughter

If Democrats are smart (and we are a lot more intelligent than Republicans), Bernie would lose the nomination in a landslide. Unfortunately the Bros will take their ball,go home, and blame the establishment for the ensuing Republican victory.

I think the best thing that could happen is someone else with more progressive and Dem bonafides than Bernie takes his place. And honestly, I think that is likely. Bernie’s weaknesses are much more likely to be attacked this time. I think Clinton should have attacked him from the left more to remind the Bros that their hero had some problems. Not talking about the gun issue specifically here but that does apply. I know a lot of us would like us to drop the gun issue but reasonable gun laws are important to many Democrats.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:53:35am

re: #149 HappyWarrior

One of my lefty purer than thou friends posted Sully’s “Don’t feel sorry for HRC” screed. It’s honestly really sad. They’ll post anything by anyone to justify their hatred that everything bad is the Dem establishment’s fault including shit by a Bell Curve racist like Sully.

We should feel sorry for ourselves that Clinton lost. She’ll be fine; she certainly isn’t the first person who thought they would be President but won’t be.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:54:03am

God getting a hold of Customs to ask some simple questions about tariffs is a PITA. Meanwhile D of Treasury’s OFAC has been amazing in their help.

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:54:27am

re: #200 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

exactly. the Bible talks about women not wearing “clothing pertaining to a man”, but back then, neither men nor women wore trousers…

again, this is not about the Bible, it is about patriarchy and seeing women as chattel

Does the same go for the ‘OK, pants, but no JEANS! stance of my junior high?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:54:51am

re: #204 Big Beautiful Door

We should feel sorry for ourselves that Clinton lost. She’ll be fine; she certainly isn’t the first person who thought they would be President but won’t be.

Oh yeah for sure. I just thought Sully’s column reeked of condescension. But I expect that from a guy who got his start as a Thatcher fan.

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The Crusher  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:55:02am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:55:25am

re: #206 wrenchwench

Does the same go for the ‘OK, pants, but no JEANS! stance of my junior high?

as long as the jeans ban applied to both sexes, that is at least consistent

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wheat-dogg  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:56:19am

re: #206 wrenchwench

Does the same go for the ‘OK, pants, but no JEANS! stance of my junior high?

Yoga pants are the latest chapter in the never-ending story of school dress code violations.

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:56:22am

re: #209 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

as long as the jeans ban applied to both sexes, that is at least consistent

It did not apply to boys.

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:58:18am

I’m not feeling sad for Hillary that she lost. She’ll manage. She’s still smarting from the loss I’m sure, but you know who’s going to be hit hardest?

The Trump voters who bought into his baffling BS.
Minorities, including religious and ethnic minorities, African Americans, and LGBT.
Women.
Our NATO allies and other allies around the world (we’re already seeing Pence and other GOPers undertaking the apology tour to calm frayed nerves thanks to Trump’s inanities spewed daily).

Yeah, we’re already seeing all those groups getting shafted by Trump and the GOP policymakers who are pushing their regressive agendas.

So, whatever book is forthcoming will keep the pundits busy, but wont do anything to help the people that Hillary would have helped had she won - aka all Americans other than the deplorable asshats who are reveling in their newfound prominence courtesy of a Trump cabal that empowered racists and bigots to unleash their hate on everyone around them.

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:58:51am

re: #210 wheat-dogg

Yoga pants are the latest chapter in the never-ending story of school dress code violations.

Gotta draw the line somewhere. Or pull that string that keeps them up. Or forbid Paisley.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 18, 2017 • 9:58:51am

I got to watch more than I ever wanted of Fox News last night (5 mins is too much) What I gleaned:

1-All the polls the mainstream media are sharing are skewed —EVERYONE loves Trump.
2-the White House Easter Egg hunt was a HUGE success.
3-Any reference to brown skin or yellow skin terrorist organizations or governments must be proceeded with an adjective. i.e. “Horrendous Terrorist Organization” ala National Enquirer.

4-All females on Fox must literally look like a Barbie Doll.
5-Hillary is the anti-christ.

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electrotek  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:00:52am

Just a reminder to Muslims who condemn Trump but praise Erdogan because he’s “their leader”:

Facebook Post

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wheat-dogg  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:02:33am

re: #213 wrenchwench

Gotta draw the line somewhere. Or pull that string that keeps them up. Or forbid Paisley.

Today’s yoga pants are basically what used to be called tights, so no strings needed. Do a Google image search and you’ll see what I mean.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:02:44am

re: #198 wheat-dogg

I can imagine the uproar if she had gone out in public wearing yoga pants.

Chip and Joanna Gaines in Waco have a home fixer-upper show on cable TV. I watched several episodes at my daughter’s place last year. Joanna has a thing for shiplap. Every interior she designs has at least one room with shiplap. 0_o Not sure about their religious preferences regarding clothing, though.

Used to be, here in the midwest, when one saw the signature dress of the Amish or Mennonites, you knew the person was either Amish or Mennonite.

Now, a woman in a drab skirt and blouse combo, extrememely long hair and no make-up could be any number of strange christian religions. (Think Kim Davis, the County Clerk).

Now they scare me.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:04:27am

re: #216 wheat-dogg

Today’s yoga pants are basically what used to be called tights, so no strings needed. Do a Google image search and you’ll see what I mean.

Yoga Pants, technically, are boot cut. Otherwise they are called capri’s. Tights are more like pantyhose —only thicker and better for warm weather. Some have feet.

All, however, have cotton crotches if meant for sports or yoga

Just so you know.

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:06:50am

re: #216 wheat-dogg

Today’s yoga pants are basically what used to be called tights, so no strings needed. Do a Google image search and you’ll see what I mean.

Shoulda left out the ‘paisley” from my search.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:07:31am

re: #210 wheat-dogg

Yoga pants are the latest chapter in the never-ending story of school dress code violations.

All the never ending confusion in fashion.

Traditional Jeans (Levi’s, Wrangler’s or Calvin’s) are one thing.

Today, jeans can be leggings or yoga pants too!

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wheat-dogg  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:07:54am

re: #219 wrenchwench

Shoulda left out the ‘paisley” from my search.

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Hurts my eyes.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:08:49am

re: #220 Birth Control Works

All the never ending confusion in fashion.

Traditional Jeans (Levi’s, Wrangler’s or Calvin’s) are one thing.

Today, jeans can be leggings or yoga pants too!

Enough to drive any school principal half-insane!

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Birth Control Works  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:09:26am

re: #219 wrenchwench

Shoulda left out the ‘paisley” from my search.

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Ah, digital print leggings. They tend to be one size and have incredible stretch. When stretched to the extreme can be really thin and not appropriate without a tunic to cover the bottom parts and upper thigh.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:11:28am

re: #222 wheat-dogg

Enough to drive any school principal half-insane!

Yes, and difficult to articulate without fat-shaming.

IMHO, the problem is “modern sizing”. Even I have a difficult time finding items I am comfortable wearing. I refuse to look like an old lady.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:11:54am

re: #211 wrenchwench

It did not apply to boys.

then that was sexist bullshit

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Birth Control Works  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:12:35am

re: #15 teleskiguy

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Juts CNN?

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:12:39am

I have not the slightest qualification to discuss fashion. Jeans and t-shirts forever. Since back when Levi’s 501s were the only ‘jeans’, through to today and beyond.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:13:25am

re: #211 wrenchwench

It did not apply to boys.

what about trans?

all of this is a really good argument for school uniforms —UNISEX!

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:14:30am

re: #225 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

then that was sexist bullshit

But was it biblical sexist bullshit? And patriarchy? Oh, wait. Patriarchy is synonymous with ‘sexist bullshit’.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:15:12am

re: #227 wrenchwench

I have not the slightest qualification to discuss fashion. Jeans and t-shirts forever. Since back when Levi’s 501s were the only ‘jeans’, through to today and beyond.

I am a visual artist. I love fashion. The older I get, the more comfortable my clothing.

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:16:30am

re: #228 Birth Control Works

what about trans?

all of this is a really good argument for school uniforms —UNISEX!

The only self-expression allowed there is in the socks.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:16:57am

re: #228 Birth Control Works

what about trans?

all of this is a really good argument for school uniforms —UNISEX!

A lot of Chinese middle and high schools kit out their students in track suits with the school emblem on them. Much more practical.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:17:36am

OK. Bed time here. later, people!

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Birth Control Works  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:18:41am

What Happens When Women Legislate

Studies also show that although female politicians have a wide range of positions, they often are more compassionate, better at working across the aisle and more willing to compromise, qualities intricately bound in successful policymaking.

An increased presence of women in elected offices will not only advance gender equity, it will subsequently help men, because women lawmakers are proving to be, across all the issues — women’s or not — more productive lawmakers.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:19:01am

I hate the idea of uniforms. They’d always use that as a prompt too when getting us to discuss issues in middle school. I mean obviously I understand certain regs are needed but I hate the no hat rule. In fact, my middle school principal loved to brag that he was responsible for starting that trend in schools. I don’t know how true that was though.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:19:39am

re: #231 wrenchwench

The only self-expression allowed there is in the socks.

hair, make-up etc.

self-expression outlet could be their work!

Too much emphasis on things other than studies in today’s schools, IMHO.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:20:30am

re: #230 Birth Control Works

I am a visual artist. I love fashion. The older I get, the more comfortable my clothing.

I’m aiming for the Friedrich Liechtenstein look when I hit my 60s (currently 47).

EDEKA Supergeil (feat. Friedrich Liechtenstein)

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:20:32am

re: #169 wheat-dogg

But most of these legislators have no idea what they’re talking about in re: the Inter-tubes, so I don’t think they thought these laws through.

That’s what ALEC is for. To help those poor benighted souls bring light and happiness to the corporate world.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:20:41am

re: #235 HappyWarrior

I hate the idea of uniforms. They’d always use that as a prompt too when getting us to discuss issues in middle school. I mean obviously I understand certain regs are needed but I hate the no hat rule. In fact, my middle school principal loved to brag that he was responsible for starting that trend in schools. I don’t know how true that was though.

I went to RC school. Few hate uniforms more than I.

I have to concede the have many benefits (also cheaper for Parents). Unisex would solve even more problems.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:22:52am

re: #239 Birth Control Works

I went to RC school. Few hate uniforms more than I.

I have to concede the have many benefits (also cheaper for Parents). Unisex would solve even more problems.

I see the economic benefits but I just don’t like em.

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:23:16am

re: #236 Birth Control Works

hair, make-up etc.

self-expression outlet could be their work!

Too much emphasis on things other than studies in today’s schools, IMHO.

But what about the hijabs!?!

{{{{{{{{{{{{CL}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

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Timothy Watson  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:23:18am

re: #235 HappyWarrior

I hate the idea of uniforms. They’d always use that as a prompt too when getting us to discuss issues in middle school. I mean obviously I understand certain regs are needed but I hate the no hat rule. In fact, my middle school principal loved to brag that he was responsible for starting that trend in schools. I don’t know how true that was though.

A couple years ago, a couple idiot community leaders/parents here in Caroline County got the brilliant idea that Caroline schools would be the best ever if they simply implemented school uniforms.

*epic eye roll*

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:23:28am

re: #234 Birth Control Works

What Happens When Women Legislate

Republicans would just vote in 50 Michelle Bachmanns to the senate.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:23:29am

BTW I think if Gabbard runs, she could potentially become a popular fixture with far lefties because they actually think she’s a dove because of her statemetns on Syria.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:24:04am

re: #242 Timothy Watson

A couple years ago, a couple idiot community leaders/parents here in Caroline County got the brilliant idea that Caroline schools would be the best ever if they simply implemented school uniforms.

*epic eye roll*

I imagine these would be the same parents that thought banning certain books from school was a good idea oto.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:24:23am

re: #243 Belafon

Republicans would just vote in 50 Michelle Bachmanns to the senate.

Shiver, don’t give them ideas.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:24:24am

re: #243 Belafon

Republicans would just vote in 50 Michelle Bachmanns to the senate.

I shudder at the thought that there is more than 1 of her.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:24:52am

re: #229 wrenchwench

But was it biblical sexist bullshit? And patriarchy? Oh, wait. Patriarchy is synonymous with ‘sexist bullshit’.

It is definitely and explicitly biblical. As said earlier in the thread, the Bible bans women from wearing men’s clothing AND men from wearing women’s clothing.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:25:04am

Ooooh nature.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:25:28am

re: #247 Birth Control Works

I shudder at the thought that there is more than 1 of her.

It really seems to me that you get rid of one Bachmann type and there’s a new one just as bad if not worse eager to replace them. It used to be people like Bachmann were fringe. But now they’re not only numerous in number in the House but they’re also in the Senate now.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:25:37am

I have to include this thought.

One thing men, I think, are better at than women is: Compromise.

Political horse-trading is probably a man’s game.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:25:59am

re: #250 HappyWarrior

It really seems to me that you get rid of one Bachmann type and there’s a new one just as bad if not worse eager to replace them. It used to be people like Bachmann were fringe. But now they’re not only numerous in number in the House but they’re also in the Senate now.

yup.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:26:32am

re: #252 Birth Control Works

yup.

Of course, it’s in the presidency and executive branch now too sigh.

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:27:01am

re: #248 Hecuba’s daughter

It is definitely and explicitly biblical. As said earlier in the thread, the Bible bans women from wearing men’s clothing AND men from wearing women’s clothing.

They just couldn’t say it was biblical, because it was a public school.

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electrotek  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:27:36am

re: #244 HappyWarrior

BTW I think if Gabbard runs, she could potentially become a popular fixture with far lefties because they actually think she’s a dove because of her statemetns on Syria.

It won’t take long before her ties to Hindu extremist groups (same ones who forcibly convert/murder Christians in India) are brought to light and she is forced to answer to that.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:28:19am

I’m still battling what has proven to be a long tail-end of this flu.

I ran out of Mucinex last night and now have a massive sinus headache.

Off to Walgreens.

bbl!

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:28:36am

re: #251 Birth Control Works

I have to include this thought.

One thing men, I think, are better at than women is: Compromise.

Political horse-trading is probably a man’s game.

We need a few more generations of practice.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:30:13am

re: #255 electrotek

It won’t take long before her ties to Hindu extremist groups (same ones who forcibly convert/murder Christians in India) are brought to light and she is forced to answer to that.

I cannot believe she’s seen as a hero. I mean I get Sanders appeal even if he rubs me the wrong way but Gabbard is awful. And it’s got squat to do with her endorsing Sanders in 2012. Sanders has other Congresspeople who endorsed him who I like and respect.

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ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:30:16am

re: #199 HappyWarrior

That is pretty remarkable. And in your scenario, Chuck’s likely majority leader too. We don’t really have too many famous alums of my HS. I mean a guy a year behind me did make a shot that got Villanova into the Final Four but unfortunately he never made it to the NBA and a guy a year ahead of me who I even played baseball with is in the Majors right now and a good role player for the Cleveland Indians but no one with the name of RBG, Schumer, and Sanders.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:30:47am

My sister was a HS math teacher in the 1970’s. She witnessed a significant deterioration in attitude and behavior when schools abandoned dress codes; she would favor uniforms. In my opinion, the option for girls would include pants as well as skirts.

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electrotek  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:30:57am

re: #258 HappyWarrior

I cannot believe she’s seen as a hero. I mean I get Sanders appeal even if he rubs me the wrong way but Gabbard is awful. And it’s got squat to do with her endorsing Sanders in 2012. Sanders has other Congresspeople who endorsed him who I like and respect.

I’ve been advocating that Bernie should answer for Gabbard’s ties to Hindu right-wing groups and to call her out on it.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:31:33am

re: #259 ObserverArt

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Birth Control Works  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:31:40am

Forgot, wanted to share this:

Alligator emerges from drain in Bucktown

METAIRIE - It was quite the startling sight for people in the Bucktown area of Jefferson Parish Monday.

An alligator estimated to be about seven-feet long emerged from a drain and began moving around shortly after the heaviest of the rains poured into the area around midday.

video at link.

bbl

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:33:16am

re: #261 electrotek

I’ve been advocating that Bernie should answer for Gabbard’s ties to Hindu right-wing groups and to call her out on it.

He definitely should be asked about it. What I want to know is why these people seriously think Nina Turner should be a national candidate for anything when she performed so poorly in her run for state wide office in Ohio. I think these people really think that ideology is the only thing that matters in candidates. You can be staunchly liberal and be a shitty politician. You can also be staunchly liberal and a savvy one. Barney Frank is jsut if not more progressive than Bernie and yet Barney had a lot of legislation passed.

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Citizen K  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:34:41am

re: #147 Jenner7

Ugh. I really cannot deal with twitter today. Non stop bullshit from this Hillary hate book.

Same here. I just…

People are more intent on trying to be proven justified for their Hillary Hate than actually trying to fight Trump. They want to tear her legacy and anyone who dared say a kind word about her down completely, even if it means the GOP becomes a permanent majority as a result. They don’t want to win, they want to be “right”, even if they’re absolutely wrong.

And god help me, it feels like the part of my generation that hasn’t decided to embrace full on 4Chan Fascism is full on Berner instead. Like…it’s pulling teeth trying to find anyone who doesn’t require disavowing Hillary as a prerequisite for political agreement among my contemporaries at this point, and it depresses me. I have lost any and all hope for millennials at this point. Yeah, we’re a lot more diverse, but that demographic inevitability that used to be talked about ain’t gonna pan out, especially with Trump and Co. dead set on ensuring only white votes count, and doing a damn good job so far of terrorizing PoCs enough to make good on that.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:37:07am

re: #265 Citizen K

Same here. I just…

People are more intent on trying to be proven justified for their Hillary Hate than actually trying to fight Trump. They want to tear her legacy and anyone who dared say a kind word about her down completely, even if it means the GOP becomes a permanent majority as a result. They don’t want to win, they want to be “right”, even if they’re absolutely wrong.

And god help me, it feels like the part of my generation that hasn’t decided to embrace full on 4Chan Fascism is full on Berner instead. Like…it’s pulling teeth trying to find anyone who doesn’t require disavowing Hillary as a prerequisite for political agreement among my contemporaries at this point, and it depresses me. I have lost any and all hope for millennials at this point. Yeah, we’re a lot more diverse, but that demographic inevitability that used to be talked about ain’t gonna pan out, especially with Trump and Co. dead set on ensuring only white votes count, and doing a damn good job so far of terrorizing PoCs enough to make good on that.

Yes!

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:39:31am

re: #260 Hecuba’s daughter

My sister was a HS math teacher in the 1970’s. She witnessed a significant deterioration in attitude and behavior when schools abandoned dress codes; she would favor uniforms. In my opinion, the option for girls would include pants as well as skirts.

I grew up in the 70s and 80s with no dress code. My high school graduating class pulled in the most scholarship money ever at the time, and that still held when my sister graduated five years later.

I haven’t seen a lot of need for uniforms in schools (couldn’t stand them in the military). A lot of people who I talk to like uniforms not because they minimize fashion arguments, but because it’s another way to punish kids (and, as pointed out in Harry Potter, uniforms don’t keep the poor from being picked on by the rich about clothes).

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:39:59am

It became trendy to see HRC as “just as bad” as a Republican for too many in our age group. I mean I get why Sanders has appeal but at the same time, they need to get why some including many of us on the left weren’t rah rah Bernie either and did see why we felt Clinton was a better candidate. I think the BBs seriously feel anyone who wasn’t an “establishment sell out” just thought Bernie couldn’t win but for me, that wasn’t the point. I wasn’t convinced that Bernie was presidential material. There’s a big difference between have a voting record you like with someone and thinking someone should be in charge of the entire country and for me the Sanders campaign never convinced me Sanders should be that guy. Clinton meanwhile despite my past misgivings with her did convince me that she should and could be in charege of the country.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:40:38am

re: #267 Belafon

I grew up in the 70s and 80s with no dress code. My high school graduating class pulled in the most scholarship money ever at the time, and that still held when my sister graduated five years later.

I haven’t seen a lot of need for uniforms in schools (couldn’t stand them in the military). A lot of people who I talk to like uniforms not because they minimize fashion arguments, but because it’s another way to punish kids (and, as pointed out in Harry Potter, uniforms don’t keep the poor from being picked on by the rich about clothes).

Kids and people in general will always find some way to pick on someone different.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:41:46am

All going according to plan for Trump:

The decennial Census count has been a staple of American life since the early days of the republic, but at a time when public funding is being slashed and scientific data questioned, Census-watchers fear the 2020 count is heading toward a crisis.

The count typically requires a massive ramp-up in spending in the three years preceding it, involving extensive testing, hiring, and publicity. However, Congress has yet to approve a funding increase requested for the 2017 fiscal year, which began in October, and experts say the White House’s proposed budget for 2018 falls far below what is needed.

In addition, recent rhetoric from the Trump administration has left some groups fearful of sharing personal information with the government, further threatening the success of the count.

washingtonpost.com

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:42:30am

re: #267 Belafon

I grew up in the 70s and 80s with no dress code. My high school graduating class pulled in the most scholarship money ever at the time, and that still held when my sister graduated five years later.

I haven’t seen a lot of need for uniforms in schools (couldn’t stand them in the military). A lot of people who I talk to like uniforms not because they minimize fashion arguments, but because it’s another way to punish kids (and, as pointed out in Harry Potter, uniforms don’t keep the poor from being picked on by the rich about clothes).

I couldn’t stand the idea of school uniforms as a kid, and wouldn’t want to deal with them today as a parent of two kids in public school.

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:43:22am

re: #265 Citizen K

I have lost any and all hope for millennials at this point. Yeah, we’re a lot more diverse, but that demographic inevitability that used to be talked about ain’t gonna pan out, especially with Trump and Co. dead set on ensuring only white votes count, and doing a damn good job so far of terrorizing PoCs enough to make good on that.

The hoped-for demographic inevitability discounted the sexism that wouldn’t die. And those demographics don’t change so much. And I was hoping, too.

The racism is hard to kill, too. Youth alone won’t do it.

But do not despair. There are true allies in each generation.

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Citizen K  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:44:41am

re: #269 HappyWarrior

It became trendy to see HRC as “just as bad” as a Republican for too many in our age group. I mean I get why Sanders has appeal but at the same time, they need to get why some including many of us on the left weren’t rah rah Bernie either and did see why we felt Clinton was a better candidate. I think the BBs seriously feel anyone who wasn’t an “establishment sell out” just thought Bernie couldn’t win but for me, that wasn’t the point. I wasn’t convinced that Bernie was presidential material. There’s a big difference between have a voting record you like with someone and thinking someone should be in charge of the entire country and for me the Sanders campaign never convinced me Sanders should be that guy. Clinton meanwhile despite my past misgivings with her did convince me that she should and could be in charege of the country.

I just…I’m just terrified at this point that the anti-Hillary obsession will end up dooming everything going forward because of this bullshit purity pony contest. They want to purge everything Clinton before moving forward while ignoring all the damage Trump is doing, because ‘Hillary would have done it anyway’. It’s the buying into the same right-wing projectionist bullshit that has them see people who could and should be their allies as their greatest enemies instead…all the while Trump and the GOP pick everyone’s pockets, go unchecked, but hey, victory because the Wicked Witch gets bashed, right?

I’m not looking forward to 2018, if you can’t tell…if we even make it that far.

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darthstar  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:45:18am
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darthstar  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:45:58am

Jerry Brown respecting the sacrifice of Vets while President Multi-Deferments deports them.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:46:37am

re: #267 Belafon

I grew up in the 70s and 80s with no dress code. My high school graduating class pulled in the most scholarship money ever at the time, and that still held when my sister graduated five years later.

I haven’t seen a lot of need for uniforms in schools (couldn’t stand them in the military). A lot of people who I talk to like uniforms not because they minimize fashion arguments, but because it’s another way to punish kids (and, as pointed out in Harry Potter, uniforms don’t keep the poor from being picked on by the rich about clothes).

It may depend on the community in which you lived. My sister taught in schools with diverse populations and in inner city schools. When I suggested to her that attire doesn’t matter — after all those of us in computer-related fields have been notorious for our support of the most casual garments , she always retorts that she was there and I wasn’t.

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ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:48:27am

re: #262 HappyWarrior

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:52:09am

Yes, it’s brilliant, but it also exposes the fact that Trump was a reactionary con man for years before he ran for president and began spouting off views completely opposite of those he now claims to hold.

All his positions come with expiration dates.

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Mattand  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:53:03am

re: #265 Citizen K

Same here. I just…

People are more intent on trying to be proven justified for their Hillary Hate than actually trying to fight Trump. They want to tear her legacy and anyone who dared say a kind word about her down completely, even if it means the GOP becomes a permanent majority as a result. They don’t want to win, they want to be “right”, even if they’re absolutely wrong.

Human nature, unfortunately. People hate being proven wrong, even if it means turning the country into a version of Turkey.

And god help me, it feels like the part of my generation that hasn’t decided to embrace full on 4Chan Fascism is full on Berner instead. Like…it’s pulling teeth trying to find anyone who doesn’t require disavowing Hillary as a prerequisite for political agreement among my contemporaries at this point, and it depresses me. I have lost any and all hope for millennials at this point. Yeah, we’re a lot more diverse, but that demographic inevitability that used to be talked about ain’t gonna pan out, especially with Trump and Co. dead set on ensuring only white votes count, and doing a damn good job so far of terrorizing PoCs enough to make good on that.

Gen Xer here. Don’t beat yourself up too much. We were supposed to be the generation that was finally going to put racism in its grave once and for all. Now, many of my contemporaries are behaving worse than our grandparents/your great grandparents when it comes to straight up bigotry.

We pretty much failed in that aspect.

I’m FB friends with one of my cousin’s son. He’s the lone quasi-liberal voice in his giant extended family. It’s absolutely frightening to watch some of the twenty- and thirtysomethngs in his friends list rant like they were born in 1912.

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darthstar  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:53:39am

re: #279 Timothy Watson

Bigly, strong President!!1!
Despite talk of a military strike, Trump’s ‘armada’ actually sailed away from Korea

As Chevy Chase said in Caddy Shack, sometimes the shortest distance between two points is a straight line…in the opposite direction.

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jaunte  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:53:59am
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Barefoot Grin  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:54:41am

re: #279 Timothy Watson

Bigly, strong President!!1!
Despite talk of a military strike, Trump’s ‘armada’ actually sailed away from Korea

Unpredictable!

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Citizen K  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:54:52am

re: #280 lawhawk

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Yes, it’s brilliant, but it also exposes the fact that Trump was a reactionary con man for years before he ran for president and began spouting off views completely opposite of those he now claims to hold.

All his positions come with expiration dates.

I think the problem is…all of this was know publicly while he was running…hell, before he ran. Hillary pointed it out. Hillary surrogates pointed it out. Folks like Maddow pointed it out.

How much of it was ignored in favor of hypothetical “But Hillary and Goldman Sachs!” bullshit? How much was Hillary criticized for ‘focusing too much on attacking Trump’ after months of talking policy to an empty room? How much of Trump’s two-facedness was actually straight up embraced as proof that “he won’t be as bad as people keep saying!’?

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darthstar  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:55:37am

re: #285 Barefoot Grin

Unpredictable!

Great…now he’ll bomb one of our allies just to keep the North Koreans guessing.

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Mattand  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:57:01am

Way off-topic: my love of the open A7 chord is only matched by my hatred of the open B7.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:58:22am

re: #277 Hecuba’s daughter

It may depend on the community in which you lived. My sister taught in schools with diverse populations and in inner city schools. When I suggested to her that attire doesn’t matter — after all those of us in computer-related fields have been notorious for our support of the most casual garments , she always retorts that she was there and I wasn’t.

That is the same argument that police use when discussing abuse of alleged criminals. Not to suggest that your sister is beating her students (she wasn’t, right ;-) ) but being close to an issue tends to cloud ones perspective on the correct approach. She see’s choice in clothing as the problem, therefore a uniform is her solution. The clothing issue may or may not be the problem, but since she has decided it is, the solution is obvious to her.

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Citizen K  Apr 18, 2017 • 10:58:56am

re: #281 Mattand

Human nature, unfortunately. People hate being proven wrong, even if it means turning the country into a version of Turkey.

And god help me, it feels like the part of my generation that hasn’t decided to embrace full on 4Chan Fascism is full on Berner instead. Like…it’s pulling teeth trying to find anyone who doesn’t require disavowing Hillary as a prerequisite for political agreement among my contemporaries at this point, and it depresses me. I have lost any and all hope for millennials at this point. Yeah, we’re a lot more diverse, but that demographic inevitability that used to be talked about ain’t gonna pan out, especially with Trump and Co. dead set on ensuring only white votes count, and doing a damn good job so far of terrorizing PoCs enough to make good on that.

Gen Xer here. Don’t beat yourself up too much. We were supposed to be the generation that was finally going to put racism in its grave once and for all. Now, many of my contemporaries are behaving worse than our grandparents/your great grandparents when it comes to straight up bigotry.

We pretty much failed in that aspect.

I’m FB friends with one of my cousin’s son. He’s the lone quasi-liberal voice in his giant extended family. It’s absolutely frightening to watch some of the twenty- and thirtysomethngs in his friends list rant like they were born in 1912.

My problem is…we seem to already be at that place that it took Gen X decades to devolve to, apparently. What happens if/when we get worse? We have straight up celebrations of neo-Nazism…hell, straight up Nazism in the millennial mainstream now. It’s “cool” to be an asshole racist now because of how “edgy” it is. All that hope, and our generation is turning out to be already worse and that fucking scares me. It fucking terrifies me because of how eager our gen seems to shove all the ‘others’ back into the closet, if not straight up go eliminationist on them. Where does that leave us, with so precious little power left now as is?

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 18, 2017 • 11:00:53am

re: #279 Timothy Watson

Bigly, strong President!!1!
Despite talk of a military strike, Trump’s ‘armada’ actually sailed away from Korea

That’s a relief.

292
darthstar  Apr 18, 2017 • 11:06:20am

Okay, that facebook killer killed himself. Can we not talk about what he ordered at the drive-thru at McDonalds?

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darthstar  Apr 18, 2017 • 11:07:23am
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darthstar  Apr 18, 2017 • 11:07:58am

This guy will be taken alive.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 18, 2017 • 11:08:11am

re: #293 darthstar

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How many ketchup packets did he get with his order?

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 18, 2017 • 11:08:12am

re: #292 darthstar

Okay, that facebook killer killed himself. Can we not talk about what he ordered at the drive-thru at McDonalds?

He should’ve selected a healthier choice, like a nice salad./

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darthstar  Apr 18, 2017 • 11:09:55am

re: #295 Timothy Watson

How many ketchup packets did he get with his order?

Mustard dipping sauce…these freaks always go for the mustard dipping sauce.

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allegro  Apr 18, 2017 • 11:12:23am

re: #277 Hecuba’s daughter

It may depend on the community in which you lived. My sister taught in schools with diverse populations and in inner city schools. When I suggested to her that attire doesn’t matter — after all those of us in computer-related fields have been notorious for our support of the most casual garments , she always retorts that she was there and I wasn’t.

I might argue that she is distilling major social changes that affected beliefs and attitudes into simple dress code. Relaxed dress codes were a result of those changes, not a cause.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2017 • 11:13:28am

re: #277 Hecuba’s daughter

It may depend on the community in which you lived. My sister taught in schools with diverse populations and in inner city schools. When I suggested to her that attire doesn’t matter — after all those of us in computer-related fields have been notorious for our support of the most casual garments , she always retorts that she was there and I wasn’t.

The thing to watch out for though is human bias. It would be just as easy to decide they’re unruly because they’re no longer wearing uniforms, and go look for evidence, and find things that were always going on.

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2017 • 11:19:35am

re: #289 Colère Tueur de Lapin

re: #277 Hecuba’s daughter

It may depend on the community in which you lived. My sister taught in schools with diverse populations and in inner city schools. When I suggested to her that attire doesn’t matter — after all those of us in computer-related fields have been notorious for our support of the most casual garments , she always retorts that she was there and I wasn’t.

That is the same argument that police use when discussing abuse of alleged criminals. Not to suggest that your sister is beating her students (she wasn’t, right ;-) ) but being close to an issue tends to cloud ones perspective on the correct approach. She see’s choice in clothing as the problem, therefore a uniform is her solution. The clothing issue may or may not be the problem, but since she has decided it is, the solution is obvious to her.

re: #298 allegro

I might argue that she is distilling major social changes that affected beliefs and attitudes into simple dress code. Relaxed dress codes were a result of those changes, not a cause.

re: #299 Belafon

The thing to watch out for though is human bias. It would be just as easy to decide they’re unruly because they’re no longer wearing uniforms, and go look for evidence, and find things that were always going on.

You weren’t there.

You were there.

You’re too close to it.

You’re too far from it.

No wonder I don’t know what to think any more. I don’t even know where I am.

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allegro  Apr 18, 2017 • 11:19:53am

re: #298 allegro

I might argue that she is distilling major social changes that affected beliefs and attitudes into simple dress code. Relaxed dress codes were a result of those changes, not a cause.

I would also add that these were the days of Viet Nam, the draft, Kent State, and Watergate. Distrust of authority among the youth (I was one of them) who saw that corrupt authority literally killing us when we weren’t even allowed to vote resulted in very rebellious attitudes. Jeans and t-shirts had nada to do with it - those were just a tiny gift to mollify us a bit.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 18, 2017 • 11:20:11am

re: #292 darthstar

Okay, that facebook killer killed himself. Can we not talk about what he ordered at the drive-thru at McDonalds?

Well they made him wait for his fries while they called the police. He left without em.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 18, 2017 • 11:21:14am
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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Apr 18, 2017 • 11:21:22am

re: #289 Colère Tueur de Lapin

…being close to an issue tends to cloud ones perspective on the correct approach. She see’s choice in clothing as the problem, therefore a uniform is her solution. The clothing issue may or may not be the problem, but since she has decided it is, the solution is obvious to her.

Whereas the distance provided by you knowing literally nothing about this woman or the situation she was addressing allows you to diagnose why she’s totally wrong and doesn’t understand what she’s talking about?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 11:21:53am

re: #303 Stanley Sea

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Sigh.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 11:23:38am

re: #278 ObserverArt

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2017 • 11:24:24am

re: #301 allegro

I would also add that these were the days of Viet Nam, the draft, Kent State, and Watergate. Distrust of authority among the youth (I was one of them) who saw that corrupt authority literally killing us when we weren’t even allowed to vote resulted in very rebellious attitudes. Jeans and t-shirts had nada to do with it - those were just a tiny gift to mollify us a bit.

And the vote for 18 year olds was a huge ‘gift’. That was fought for to the point of death for some.

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Citizen K  Apr 18, 2017 • 11:25:47am

re: #303 Stanley Sea

But seriously, it really does look like we’re dead set on renewing the worst of the drug wars, and against the drug that is like…the least devastating toward its users, even (hell, especially) compared to the more legal ones like alcohol, tobacco, and pharmaceutical opiods. Because, of course, brown people.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2017 • 11:27:40am

re: #300 wrenchwench

You weren’t there.

You were there.

You’re too close to it.

You’re too far from it.

No wonder I don’t know what to think any more. I don’t even know where I am.

That’s why studies are good.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 11:27:44am

I doubt HRC’s DOJ and DHS would haev pushed for federal legalization but I doubt they would be returning to Reagan era fear and lie tactics about marijuana either.

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BlueSpotinAL  Apr 18, 2017 • 11:31:11am

re: #78 lawhawk

MS-13 has been pretty aggressive in the NYC metro area for a long long time, but there’s been plenty of law enforcement pushback here too.

I am a member of the ROT-13 gang.

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Citizen K  Apr 18, 2017 • 11:33:17am

re: #310 HappyWarrior

I doubt HRC’s DOJ and DHS would haev pushed for federal legalization but I doubt they would be returning to Reagan era fear and lie tactics about marijuana either.

At the very worst, Hillary showed all indication she’d follow Obama’s hands-off approach to decriminalization, and the rescheduling that would have likely taken place that…believe Obama was setting up on his way out?

But nope, now weed is public enemy #1, and opiods are a ‘health crisis’. Because we have for-profit prisons to fill, don’t you know.

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retired cynic  Apr 18, 2017 • 11:59:01am

re: #280 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Yes, it’s brilliant, but it also exposes the fact that Trump was a reactionary con man for years before he ran for president and began spouting off views completely opposite of those he now claims to hold.

All his positions come with expiration dates.

Right after they leave his mouth.

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2017 • 12:01:53pm

re: #308 Citizen K


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