SPLC Sues Trump-Supporting Neo-Nazi Leader Who Targeted Jewish Woman in Anti-Semitic Harassment

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The Southern Poverty Law Center has filed a federal lawsuit against the owner of the vile “Daily Stormer” neo-Nazi website, for targeting a Jewish woman in a disturbing anti-Semitic harassment campaign.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, along with its Montana co-counsel, filed suit in federal court today against the founder of a major neo-Nazi website who orchestrated a harassment campaign that has relentlessly terrorized a Jewish woman and her family with anti-Semitic threats and messages.

The lawsuit describes how Andrew Anglin used his web forum, the Daily Stormer – the leading extremist website in the country – to publish 30 articles urging his followers to launch a “troll storm” against Tanya Gersh, a real estate agent in Whitefish, Montana. Gersh, her husband and 12-year-old son have received more than 700 harassing messages since December.

The intimidation began after Anglin accused Gersh of attempting to extort money from the mother of Richard Spencer. The younger Spencer heads the National Policy Institute, a white nationalist organization.

Anglin and Spencer are both prominent leaders of the “alt-right” movement that rallied white nationalists behind President Donald Trump’s campaign.

“Andrew Anglin knew he had an online army primed to attack with the click of a mouse,” said SPLC President Richard Cohen. “We intend to hold him accountable for the suffering he has caused Ms. Gersh and to send a strong message to those who use their online platforms as weapons of intimidation.”

Let’s hope they succeed in driving this hate-monger out of business.

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85 comments

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electrotek  Apr 18, 2017 • 2:49:12pm

In the words of Jello Biafra, Nazi punks FUCK OFF

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 18, 2017 • 2:52:41pm

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Anymouse  Apr 18, 2017 • 2:53:41pm

On Andrew Anglin:

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CongoJack  Apr 18, 2017 • 2:54:59pm

Skimmed that document that Charles input. It looks like Richard Spencer’s Mother is a real piece of work as well. These people are going to go down in flames. Whomever wrote that item did their homework and laid out the data well. They even added Trump’s idiocy into it and I’ll be damned is this lady doesn’t win her case.

Good luck you Nazi PoS.

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Anymouse  Apr 18, 2017 • 2:59:42pm

On this day in 1783, the US Congress ratified the preliminary peace treaty that would formally end the Revolutionary War.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:02:02pm

Oh great, now he can get his persecution freak on and load up on the wingnut welfare.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:04:00pm

These fuckers.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:04:06pm

re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh great, now he can get his persecution freak on and load up on the wingnut welfare.

If he had to wait until he was sued to get on wingnut welfare, he was doing it completely wrong.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:07:10pm

re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh great, now he can get his persecution freak on and load up on the wingnut welfare.

Sometimes I think these guys must have a repression fetish or something, like they get off on feeling persecuted. Seriously, it’s kinda like that. They actively seek it out like it’s a drug, a high.

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(alpuz)  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:08:29pm

re: #9 thedopefishlives

Sometimes I think these guys must have a repression fetish or something, like they get off on feeling persecuted. Seriously, it’s kinda like that. They actively seek it out like it’s a drug, a high.

Well, it usually is a money maker.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:08:44pm

re: #10 (alpuz)

Well, it usually is a money maker.

There is that.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:09:28pm

re: #9 thedopefishlives

Sometimes I think these guys must have a repression fetish or something, like they get off on feeling persecuted. Seriously, it’s kinda like that. They actively seek it out like it’s a drug, a high.

You know the RR especially better than most lizards here, I think it’s the same thing with white supremacists.

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gocart mozart  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:16:55pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:17:51pm

re: #13 gocart mozart

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Needs the Day Since Being an International Embarrassment banner. Sigh.

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gocart mozart  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:21:16pm
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meteor  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:21:22pm

Yipee, SPLC! I love them. Sue this idiot into oblivion!

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electrotek  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:23:00pm

Growing anti-Muslim sentiment in the French elections

This excerpt stood out for me:

When presidential candidates pitch ideas such as “university training programs in the values of the Republic” for imams — as Emmanuel Macron did recently — many bristle at the suggestion that these are somehow values they do not already know.

Ludovic-Mohamed Zahed, 40, is an openly gay imam and the founder of Europe’s first LGBT-inclusive mosque, which he runs weekly in a rented room in Marseille, the sprawling metropolis on France’s Mediterranean coast.

“If you think it’s not possible to be both of those things, then good for you,” he said of the apparent separation between “French” and “Muslim” identities. “But I have never felt the need to convince you otherwise.”

What more do the French fucking want? Even someone as secular of a Muslim as myself wouldn’t feel welcome there, I am quite certain of that.

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EPR-radar  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:23:13pm

re: #14 HappyWarrior

Needs the Day Hours Since Being an International Embarrassment banner. Sigh.

FTFY.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:24:08pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:29:47pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:30:43pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Alyssa is pretty good at this political tweeting stuff.

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electrotek  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:33:05pm

So the Fresno shooter chanted “Allah Akbar” and hated white people while shooting at his victims? The fuck?

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Anymouse  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:33:31pm

From the previous thread:
re: #173 Stanley Sea

HW in the hospital.

This just made me cry

(Video of the Obamas meeting GHW Bush in Houston in 2014)

I want decent human beings back in the White House.

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Anymouse  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:35:55pm
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Timothy Watson  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:36:14pm

You really have to marvel at Trump’s accomplishments. No president before ever misplaced a carrier strike group, but Trump managed to do within 100 days in office.

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Anymouse  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:40:35pm

re: #25 Timothy Watson

You really have to marvel at Trump’s accomplishments. No president before ever misplaced a carrier strike group, but Trump managed to do within 100 days in office.

Well, there was Captain Kirk Douglass, who misplaced the USS Nimitz in the Pacific in 1980… . (when the movie Final Countdown was released, the producer also released it to every ship in the Fleet the same day as it appeared in theatres - thus I got to watch it on the USS John F Kennedy)

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Anymouse  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:43:16pm

Small protest of female sexual assault survivors protest outside the DuMont Building in New York (headquarters of FOX News Channel), demanding Bill O’Reilly be fired.
huffingtonpost.com

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jaunte  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:44:51pm

This evening at Auburn:

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jaunte  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:45:05pm
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jaunte  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:45:37pm
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freetoken  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:47:07pm

re: #24 Anymouse

One has to be disconnected from the contemporary American political scene to not have heard of Alex Jones, given Trump and other politicians’ love for him.

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Anymouse  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:48:55pm

Twenty thousand wrongful drug convictions thrown out in Massachusetts today, the largest exoneration in US History.
huffingtonpost.com

The case revolves around a drug lab worker who fabricated evidence for drug cases.

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darthstar  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:48:57pm
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Anymouse  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:49:49pm

re: #31 freetoken

One has to be disconnected from the contemporary American political scene to not have heard of Alex Jones, given Trump and other politicians’ love for him.

I’d pay to get satellite TV service (and buy a TV) to watch Mr. Jones get his comeuppance in real time.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:51:51pm

re: #34 Anymouse

I’d pay to get satellite TV service (and buy a TV) to watch Mr. Jones get his comeuppance in real time.

Lets see if Saturday Night Live goes after him!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:52:59pm

Lots of shit happening during this “law and order” President’s first term.

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freetoken  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:53:51pm

re: #33 darthstar

British prime minister calls for elections in June amid Brexit fallout

British Prime Minister Theresa May shocked her country Tuesday with an unexpected call for June elections, a gamble aimed at increasing her political power at home and enhancing her leverage in Brussels for the high-wire Brexit negotiations.

So, what’s the chance this will blow up in her face?

She must think that she and her party will win.

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darthstar  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:55:28pm

re: #37 freetoken

British prime minister calls for elections in June amid Brexit fallout

So, what’s the chance this will blow up in her face?

She must think that she and her party will win.

It won’t cause a reBrentry

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freetoken  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:55:32pm
If May emerges strengthened from the snap election — as opinion polls currently suggest — she will have greater clout as Britain goes into the complex talks with the remaining 27 E.U. nations, which appear in no mood to offer generous farewell concessions to Britain.

This I don’t follow.

If I’m a person in one of the remaining 27 EU members, why would I be more willing to give a generous exit to the UK?

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:56:02pm

Oh boy, can’t wait for all the hot takes from “principled” libertarian bros about how this is an assault on free speech. Cuz there ain’t enough of that shit on the internet as it is.

Also: NAZI Trumps, fuck off.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 18, 2017 • 3:56:46pm

From empthwheel:

Steve Ballmer’s gift: USAFacts
Admittedly, I was never very crazy about Ballmer as CEO of Microsoft. He continued Bill Gates’ flawed ideology after Windows reached near-ubiquity, suppressing Microsoft’s value and negatively influencing the tech industry for too long. What a pleasant surprise, though, to learn about his retirement hobby: USAFacts, a Big Data initiative tracing the flow of tax dollars using government data.
The project began after Ballmer’s spouse prodded him to do more philanthropically. He resisted because he paid a lot of taxes; weren’t his tax dollars enough? Mm-hmm.
He learned a lot, and I expect we will be, too, as USAFacts matures. Some ugly truths have already been exposed to people like Ballmer who might not otherwise have looked — like the power of the gun lobby to suppress government reporting, or the inability of children to rise from poverty.
Ballmer’s redeeming himself. I only hope his project can get out in front of the Trump administration’s rapid decimation of government reporting.

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mmmirele  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:01:00pm

re: #32 Anymouse

Twenty thousand wrongful drug convictions thrown out in Massachusetts today, the largest exoneration in US History.
huffingtonpost.com

The case revolves around a drug lab worker who fabricated evidence for drug cases.

Annie Dookhan’s not the only one. There’s also the case of Sonja Farak, who was basically taking the reference samples (“standards”) and the evidence submitted by the cops and turning it to her own use. I read this report today. I just have this to say—I work for a freaking bank and we apparently have more procedures in place to investigate our technical incidents than these guys had for processing drug evidence. In fact, I spent part of my work day going through our main procedural document and its dozens and dozens of links to make sure they all worked and were up to date. This Amherst lab, by comparison, was a damned cluster####.

Scribd Document

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nines09  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:01:32pm

Nazis wear MAGA ballcaps? SHOCKED. Where did I put that face? Let me look. Oh, and I’m sure the “Administration” will fall over themselves to put distance between them and people like this who……nevermind…

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Joe Bacon  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:03:38pm

The polls just closed in Georgia.

Wonder how long we will have to wait for definitive results…

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freetoken  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:04:11pm

The revanchists and atavists will always struggle with change, in any society.

In the UK I think there are many, especially in England, who just can’t accept that their survival (for a modern lifestyle) depends upon an integrated and functional Europe.

Little England as an island nation is so far out of date that to think the UK can be a player on the world scene by themselves is just a throwback notion.

May may win the election, but I expect her to lose the war.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:08:07pm

re: #30 jaunte

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I am an old grey-haired lady and I’m pretty sure I can take on every one of those poseurs and make them cry.

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Skip Intro  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:10:20pm

re: #22 electrotek

So the Fresno shooter chanted “Allah Akbar” and hated white people while shooting at his victims? The fuck?

Apparently so. Very, very bad in every conceivable way.

This is the way you get a police state.

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Skip Intro  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:11:41pm

re: #28 jaunte

I’m really sick of the bullshit term “alt-right’.

It’s neo nazis or white supremacists. Nothing else.

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nines09  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:12:01pm

re: #30 jaunte

Looks like someone paid for the armament….JFC these assholes….”I want a symbol that says something! “YEAH” Like a meaningful..”YEAH!” Or a… “FUCK YEAH!”….Fuck it. Go with Timmy’s shield…

BTW, where are the lances?
Oh, man……

When I was young….

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thedopefishlives  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:12:24pm

re: #48 Skip Intro

I’m really sick of the bullshit term “alt-right’.

It’s neo nazis or white supremacists. Nothing else.

“Alt-right”, isn’t that their own term for themselves? That seems to be legitimizing them, in my view. I prefer to call them dumbshits, douchecanoes, or something similar.

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Anymouse  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:15:44pm

Susan Rice “unmasking” scandal was in fact a manufactured controversy by Republicans to support Trump’s spying claims …

It is now clear that the scandal was not Rice’s normal review of the intelligence reports but the coördinated effort between the Trump Administration and Nunes to sift through classified information and computer logs that recorded Rice’s unmasking requests, and then leak a highly misleading characterization of those documents, all in an apparent effort to turn Rice, a longtime target of Republicans, into the face of alleged spying against Trump. It was a series of lies to manufacture a fake scandal. Last week, CNN was the first to report that both Democrats and Republicans who reviewed the Nunes material at the N.S.A. said that the documents provided “no evidence that Obama Administration officials did anything unusual or illegal.”

More at the New Yorker
newyorker.com

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:21:20pm

The usual suspects are having a party over the Fresno shootings, while ignoring the 70 or 80 shootings today in which the perp did not shout “Allahu akbar!”

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Skip Intro  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:22:08pm

re: #50 thedopefishlives

“Alt-right”, isn’t that their own term for themselves? That seems to be legitimizing them, in my view. I prefer to call them dumbshits, douchecanoes, or something similar.

Yes it is which makes Hannity’s invention of the “alt-left” all the more ridiculous.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:23:35pm

re: #53 Skip Intro

Yes it is which makes Hannity’s invention of the “alt-left” all the more ridiculous.

Well, Hannity is ridiculous anyway, full stop.

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Anymouse  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:24:45pm

re: #50 thedopefishlives

“Alt-right”, isn’t that their own term for themselves? That seems to be legitimizing them, in my view. I prefer to call them dumbshits, douchecanoes, or something similar.

Richard Spencer claims to have coined the term. I prefer Nazi (not neo-Nazi, there is no new Nazi ideology), bigot, racist, anti-American, anti-patriot, &c.

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Skip Intro  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:24:54pm

re: #52 Shiplord Kirel

The usual suspects are having a party over the Fresno shootings, while ignoring the 70 or 80 shootings today in which the perp did not shout “Allahu akbar!”

That’s because the right guy (black) with the right religion (Islam) killed the right people (whites) out of hate. You couldn’t write a better script for them, and Trump.

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SteveMcG RN  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:24:56pm

I curious when China and Russia will go to war over the rights to exploit Donald Trump.

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freetoken  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:25:14pm

The Racist, Homophobic History of an Ala. Church Gunning for Its Own Police Force

[…]

During a September football game against predominantly black Fairfield High School’s Tigers team, Briarwood Christian School students came on the field to a “Make America Great Again, Trump the Tigers” sign.

[…]

Harry Reeder, the Briarwood Presbyterian pastor, is as problematic as the place of worship. He is a longtime advocate for the Confederate flag and speaks at ceremonies for neo-Confederate groups like the Sons of Confederate Veterans. Although religious organizations are prohibited from taking political stances, Reeder often shills for the Republican Party, as he did in his recent broadcast “Mike Pence Places a Hedge Around His Marriage.”

He also finds time to repudiate everything Obama, which he did April 6 in this broadcast from the church’s radio station: “Unmasking, Leaking, Lying, Obama’s Watergate?” A drug raid at the church’s high school in 2015 is still shrouded in mystery, and the church’s youth minister has been repeatedly arrested for impersonating a police officer.

[…]

Of course.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:26:49pm

re: #56 Skip Intro

That’s because the right guy (black) with the right religion (Islam) killed the right people (whites) out of hate. You couldn’t write a better script for them, and Trump.

CL must be rolling over in her grave right about now.

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Skip Intro  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:26:58pm

re: #58 freetoken

I guess he won’t have to impersonate one any more.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:27:00pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:27:17pm

There was a random shooting in Lubbock Saturday, no casualties. It happened in broad daylight in a “nice” part of town (meaning the part where the gun-waving crazies are usually white, though this one was in fact black.)

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Anymouse  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:28:36pm
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Skip Intro  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:29:03pm

re: #59 thedopefishlives

CL must be rolling over in her grave right about now.

I didn’t know her, but from her postings here I got the impression that she had a good idea of what was coming in Trump’s America.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:29:31pm

re: #58 freetoken

The obscene right-wing fascination with Mike Pence’s refusal to be alone with a woman not his wife is really unnerving. It’s fine and dandy to be respectful of your marriage, but a man in a position of power needs to be able to meet with subordinates without ridiculous, self-imposed religious rules hindering the conversation. It turns out to be incredibly disadvantageous to women in a government that is already very effective at repressing them.

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freetoken  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:31:15pm

re: #65 thedopefishlives

Yesterday I posted a youtube video of someone commenting on the Duggar scandal, of one of the daughters wearing slacks.

So yes, America is full of throwback fundamentalism.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:32:47pm

re: #66 freetoken

Yesterday I posted a youtube video of someone commenting on the Duggar scandal, of one of the daughters wearing slacks.

So yes, America is full of throwback fundamentalism.

Don’t even get me started on the quiverfull bullshit. The only woman I’ve ever wanted to punch was a holier-than-thou quiverfull mom.

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Anymouse  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:33:49pm

re: #65 thedopefishlives

The obscene right-wing fascination with Mike Pence’s refusal to be alone with a woman not his wife is really unnerving. It’s fine and dandy to be respectful of your marriage, but a man in a position of power needs to be able to meet with subordinates without ridiculous, self-imposed religious rules hindering the conversation. It turns out to be incredibly disadvantageous to women in a government that is already very effective at repressing them.

Feature, not bug. A fair number of Christian religious people (and not all of them hard-right fundamentalists) are just fine with repressing women.

Here, any time my wife goes out by herself, anywhere in the county, she’ll get questions about why I am not with her. Some of it is just because we are seen together so much, but a lot of it is also religious people who really feel she shouldn’t be out alone without her husband (Catholics, Presbyterians, Methodists, &c). Interestingly, the local Mennonites never say such things to her (Mennonites mostly mind their own business about other people’s business).

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Skip Intro  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:34:56pm

re: #65 thedopefishlives

It’s hilarious considering their adulation for the serial fornicator Trump.

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Skip Intro  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:36:56pm

Is this a fake quote?

Hell, who cares?

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A Cranky One  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:37:23pm

Mrs Cranky’s garden is starting to wake up. The Spring/Summer show is beginning.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:37:34pm

re: #68 Anymouse

Feature, not bug. A fair number of Christian religious people (and not all of them hard-right fundamentalists) are just fine with repressing women.

Here, any time my wife goes out by herself, anywhere in the county, she’ll get questions about why I am not with her. Some of it is just because we are seen together so much, but a lot of it is also religious people who really feel she shouldn’t be out alone without her husband (Catholics, Presbyterians, Methodists, &c). Interestingly, the local Mennonites never say such things to her (Mennonites mostly mind their own business about other people’s business).

Actually, Mrs. Fish gets some of the same flack, especially since she has some male friends with whom she occasionally goes places to hang out. (Shock, scandal, etc.) I mean, I get it, religious nutjobs are all about appearances over substance, and you’re right - repressing women is just a nice side benefit. Biblical patriarchalism is an annoying holdover that needs to just die already. I’m doing my bit part, but the juggernaut of derp rolls on.

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Anymouse  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:39:12pm

Air Canada flight bumped a ten-year-old boy because the plane was overbooked, resulting in over a thousand dollars of expenses to his family. Air Canada has apologised and offered them compensation.

Questions about overbooking aside, United could have handled it this way - we screwed up, we’re sorry, let’s fix that for you.

bbc.com

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Skip Intro  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:40:44pm
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mmmirele  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:40:52pm

re: #58 freetoken

The Racist, Homophobic History of an Ala. Church Gunning for Its Own Police Force

Of course.

It’s also a Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) church and it’s very possible that it requires a person to sign a “covenant” to join which includes the very real possibility of “church discipline” or “excommunication. For sure the church is fairly obsessed with “covenants”:

Covenant Keepers Sunday School: briarwood.org

Women of the Covenant: briarwood.org

Men of the Covenant: briarwood.org

The ladies over at the Wartburg Watch blog have put together a huge page of information about so-called “membership contracts” or “covenants” or whatever they’re calling them this week. In short, covenants are abusive.

thewartburgwatch.com

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:41:02pm

re: #37 freetoken

British prime minister calls for elections in June amid Brexit fallout

So, what’s the chance this will blow up in her face?

She must think that she and her party will win.

Math. It’s all about math. She thinks that she’s got the numbers on her side.

We know how that worked out for the GOP and their Trumpcare/Ryancare/GOPDontCare fiasco. They thought they had the numbers to get Obamacare repealed, and it blew up in their face because they didn’t understand the basics.

Considering that Brexit was passed by a thin majority, and there was a lot of dumbassery from proponents after the fact, admitting that the math didn’t add up (like the savings going to the NHS), there’s a good chance this will blow up in May’s face.

I hope it does.

I’m also wondering whether May is hoping for that too, because she doesn’t want to be the one on the hook for when the United Kingdom is no longer united, nor a kingdom.

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freetoken  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:43:13pm

America, creationists, 2017:

SHOREWOOD TEACHER ACCUSED OF GROOMING UNDERAGE GIRL

A teacher at Trinity Christian School in southwest suburban Shorewood is now facing felony charges after being accused of grooming an underage girl.

According to the school’s website, 51-year-old Lemuel Elechicon of Crest Hill, Ill., teaches middle school science and biblical creationism, and has taught at the school since 2004. A school official said he was placed on administrative leave as soon as they were notified of the charges, and will remain on leave until the investigation is completed.

Police said Elechicon sent inappropriate text messages to a 13-year-old girl, and tried to establish a physical relationship with her. Authorities did not say if the girl is a student at Trinity Christian School.

[…]

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:44:49pm
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Skip Intro  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:48:51pm
She is looking forward to putting the matter behind her.” said defense attorney Laurence Harmelin

I guess so.

Mom pleads guilty after 3-year-old hung up by feet, beaten to death

abc7chicago.com

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Anymouse  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:49:44pm

re: #70 Skip Intro

Is this a fake quote?

Hell, who cares?

It seems to be a fake quote, as it does not appear before the twenty-first century (except once), and never attributes a particular work by Franklin when citing it.

Much more at the link, but this stands out:

In the 520 Google Books search matches I looked at for the phrase “born ignorant,” I found multiple references to (and some paraphrases of) relevant quotations from St. Augustine, Giordano Bruno, John Knox, Samuel von Pufendorf, Baruch (Benedict) Spinoza, John Locke, Thomas Halyburton, Isaac Watts, Claude Helvétius, Mary Wollstonecraft, Laurence Stern, Henry Ward Beecher, Thomas Hood, Edward Bulwer Lytton, Emmanuel Swedenborg, and Bertrand Russell—and all of them ultimately tied the quoted language to a particular work containing the phrase. The Franklin quote was the lone exception: No one offers any clear source in his work for it. I have no doubt that the attribution of this wording to Franklin is spurious.

What Franklin probably did say

Having rejected the attribution of the quotation cited by the OP to Franklin, I note that one source, Poor Richard’s Almanac (1914), which consists of “Selections from the apothegms and proverbs” of Franklin, offers this otherwise unsourced saying:

Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn.

english.stackexchange.com

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Bubblehead II  Apr 18, 2017 • 4:49:49pm

re: #48 Skip Intro

I’m really sick of the bullshit term “alt-right’.

It’s neo nazis or white supremacists. Nothing else.

I my self prefer the the term vermin. Because that is what they are. They are are the dregs of humanity. Yes, some of you may decy my description, but that is also

I am stopping here. To much hate for these fuckers to unleash here

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2017 • 5:01:18pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

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delusional trump fans as well as alleged lgf peeps (proudly claiming they are “ballbusters” like that is something to be proud of in the course of intelligent debate and discussion…) who never miss a chance to bash hillz and at the same time are just panting at the opportunity for China and Russia to go to war over trump being the perfect eejit storm.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 18, 2017 • 5:03:50pm

re: #65 thedopefishlives

The obscene right-wing fascination with Mike Pence’s refusal to be alone with a woman not his wife is really unnerving. It’s fine and dandy to be respectful of your marriage, but a man in a position of power needs to be able to meet with subordinates without ridiculous, self-imposed religious rules hindering the conversation. It turns out to be incredibly disadvantageous to women in a government that is already very effective at repressing them.

I can see having a ‘never be seen alone with a woman not your wife’ policy, esp. if you’re a politician. Leaving aside the whole ‘temptation’ angle, if you’re never in the situation, you never have to explain why you’re in the situation.

But you should also be cognizant of the inherent disadvantage that confers on women, and simply make it a rule never to dine without your wife with fewer than 2 other people - although Mrs. FBW immediately said “But if it’s two women, it might be a threesome”, and I pointed out that there are other ways to populate a threesome.

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Teukka  Apr 18, 2017 • 7:18:01pm

re: #81 Anymouse

It seems to be a fake quote, as it does not appear before the twenty-first century (except once), and never attributes a particular work by Franklin when citing it.

Much more at the link, but this stands out:

english.stackexchange.com

Ancient African proverb: “Not to know is bad; Not to wish to know is worse.”


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