It’s Official: Fox News Is Giving Bill O’Reilly the Boot

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Rumors have been flying for the past few days that Fox News was preparing to axe ratings king Bill O’Reilly, after a slew of advertisers abandoned his show when reports surfaced that O’Reilly had settled multiple sexual harassment complaints.

Well, now it isn’t just rumors — it’s official.

21st Century Fox, parent company of Fox News, released a statement Wednesday afternoon that read “After a thorough and careful review of the allegations, the Company and Bill O’Reilly have agreed that Bill O’Reilly will not be returning to the Fox News Channel.”

It’s doubtful that Fox News has suffered a sudden attack of ethics, though; O’Reilly’s workplace sexual harassment would probably have been ignored if advertisers were sticking with the show. That “thorough and careful review of the allegations” came after spending $13 million to settle with numerous women over the course of several years.

But it’s sad and ironic that O’Reilly is losing his job because of sexual harassment — when Donald Trump got his job despite openly admitted sexual assault. This country apparently holds Fox News personalities to a higher standard than the president of the United States.

UPDATE at 4/19/17 12:03:13 pm by Charles Johnson

And now we learn that Fox is wasting no time replacing this bigoted misogynist talk show host with an even more bigoted and misogynist talk show host.

UPDATE at 4/19/17 12:18:06 pm by Charles Johnson

Here’s how the propaganda hacks at Breitbart “News” are spinning O’Reilly’s firing…

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454 comments

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Jenner7  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:03:25pm
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Dr. Matt  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:04:06pm

Pass the popcorn and beer.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:05:08pm

Are they going to “Do it live!!!!!!!”

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b.d.  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:05:58pm

Sucks that this happened right in the middle of his “pre-planned vacation”

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b.d.  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:06:33pm

When does he take over Spicer’s job?

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Dr. Matt  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:07:08pm
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lawhawk  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:08:55pm
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freetoken  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:09:30pm

How many days before Bill O’ shows up on another network show?

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:10:17pm

re: #8 freetoken

Guest contributor to morning Joke

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Kragar  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:10:24pm

One point of contention with the article above.

“But it’s sad and ironic that O’Reilly is losing his job because of sexual harassment”

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Dr. Matt  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:11:54pm
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b_sharp  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:12:07pm

OT.

I found out today that my wife’s youngest brother died two years ago in Vancouver. We hadn’t heard from him for quite a while, maybe 20 yrs. He was an alcoholic & a drug user so perhaps his death shouldn’t be a shock, but I’m struggling with how & when I should tell V.

Back in 1990 her younger sister also died in Vancouver likely from a drug overdose. It took V quite a while to get over that. The two had been bounced from foster home to foster home for years before they took off at the ages of 15 & 13 to live on their own.

This is what racism does. It tells you you’re not worth shit & your death is as meaningless as your life so you treat yourself accordingly.

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stpaulbear  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:12:54pm
NPR can report that @TuckerCarlson will take O’Reilly’s 8 p.m. slot. A new generation takes over the most valuable real estate in cable news

Wait until his audience finds out how incredibly lame and stupid Tucker Carlson is. That’ll go well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:14:40pm
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lawhawk  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:14:53pm

re: #12 b_sharp

So sorry to hear that. No way to make that news any easier.

Baruch Dayan Emet.

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I cannot.  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:15:42pm

re: #13 stpaulbear

The average age of the O’Reilly viewer is dead, I don’t think Bowtie will lose so many viewers that it becomes unprofitable.

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stpaulbear  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:18:02pm

re: #16 I cannot.

The average age of the O’Reilly viewer is dead, I don’t think Bowtie will lose so many viewers that it becomes unprofitable.

I’m just kind of thinking that the ones that aren’t dead are going to feel cheated. Their hero is being replaced by a dweeb.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:18:04pm
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b_sharp  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:19:26pm

re: #15 lawhawk

So sorry to hear that. No way to make that news any easier.

Baruch Dayan Emet.

2017 has been a crappy year.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:19:57pm
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while(1) worries++;  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:20:04pm

re: #12 b_sharp

{{{b_sharp}}}

My condolences to you and your family. May God give you the strength and wisdom to deliver the news to your wife.

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I cannot.  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:20:22pm

re: #17 stpaulbear

It takes a LOT to make me look like a tough guy…comparing me to bowtie is usually enough.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:20:23pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:21:19pm

re: #12 b_sharp

So sorry to hear that. Predictable doesn’t mean it isn’t a tragedy, and a tragic waste of human potential. I don’t think there is going to be any “good” way to break it to her, but at least she has you to lean on while she deals with it.

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wrenchwench  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:22:35pm

re: #12 b_sharp

OT.

I found out today that my wife’s youngest brother died two years ago in Vancouver. We hadn’t heard from him for quite a while, maybe 20 yrs. He was an alcoholic & a drug user so perhaps his death shouldn’t be a shock, but I’m struggling with how & when I should tell V.

Back in 1990 her younger sister also died in Vancouver likely from a drug overdose. It took V quite a while to get over that. The two had been bounced from foster home to foster home for years before they took off at the ages of 15 & 13 to live on their own.

This is what racism does. It tells you you’re not worth shit & your death is as meaningless as your life so you treat yourself accordingly.

{{{b_sharp}}} {{{v_sharp}}}

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S'latch  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:23:58pm

O’Reilly is a pile of garbage. Fox news is criminal enterprise. So much poison has been spread by this network.

We need to demand that advertisers stop supporting Fox News, not just Bill O’Reilly.

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Jay C  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:24:16pm

re: #13 stpaulbear

Wait until his audience finds out how incredibly lame and stupid Tucker Carlson is. That’ll go well.

I’d like to think so too, but remember; O’Reilly’s audience was the Fox core demographic: as long as the (angry white) guy on the tube spouts the Fox Party Line: “lame and stupid” can easily become desired features (and usually have).

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Jay C  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:25:13pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

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Well, they got the “monster” part right, anyway….

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makeitstop  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:27:18pm

re: #28 Jay C

Well, they got the “monster” part right, anyway….

Not much of a scalp, though. BillO is a lifetime member of the Combover Club.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:27:28pm

re: #26 S’latch

O’Reilly is a pile of garbage. Fox news is criminal enterprise. So much poison has been spread by this network.

We need to demand that advertisers stop supporting Fox News, not just Bill O’Reilly.

Fox “news” can be directly blamed for a vast majority of the political division, vitriol, and dumbing down in this country.

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danarchy  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:28:15pm

re: #13 stpaulbear

Wait until his audience finds out how incredibly lame and stupid Tucker Carlson is. That’ll go well.

Tucker was on immediately after the O’reilly factor already, and most of BillO’s audience already stayed tuned for Tucker anyway. Question is if they will tune in without the lead in.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:29:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:30:11pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:32:15pm

OT

Several threads ago someone (Allegro?) posted a movie trailer and this Jacob Collier video popped up as one of the “Hey now watch this!” things at the end. I found it interesting, (even though I could follow and understand only a very little of it) and thought some other folks who hadn’t already seen it might also. He is apparently being interviewed about his approach to harmony and whatnot - I know there are some musicians here who will be able to follow the conversation.
I think part of what kept me watching it was his infectious enthusiasm and love for music theory.
Also his speaking voice is deeper than I expected.

Music Theory Interview: Jacob Collier

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Nyet  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:33:23pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

- But grandfather, why do you have such a big bomber flying over me?
- All the better for you to see me from your house, Sarah!

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:33:25pm
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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:34:04pm

re: #27 Jay C

I’d like to think so too, but remember; O’Reilly’s audience was the Fox core demographic: as long as the (angry white) guy on the tube spouts the Fox Party Line: “lame and stupid” can easily become desired features (and usually have).

Well, O’Reilly had a sizable older white female demographic that (nauseatingly) thought he was good-looking. *Shudder*

I think Tucker is going to have trouble keeping this demographic as he has as much sex appeal as a mayonnaise and chalk Wonder bread sandwich. I bet a lot of the older females tune to whatever Duck Dynasty/hayseed fake family contrived BS “reality” garbage that mostly aligns with their fantasy Valhalla instead.

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KGxvi  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:35:59pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

I don’t know what Bill O’Reilly did or didn’t do, but the rejoicing of the destruction of public people is becoming increasingly dangerous.

It was a much better time when someone who was rich and/or famous could just get away with shit, wasn’t it? I mean, how can we expect our betters to be held to the same lowly standards as the rest of us?

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ObserverArt  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:36:30pm

re: #8 freetoken

How many days before Bill O’ shows up on another network show?

Hopefully a million. Hopefully everyone sees the fallout from this and the scorched earth and decides it is best to stay away from this putz.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:36:33pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:38:11pm

Here’s the problem, Bernie is a fucking hypocrite.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:39:10pm

Trump appoints Bill to his cabinet in 3… 2… 1…

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Jenner7  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:39:34pm

Bernie is not helping the party, that’s the bottom line.

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KGxvi  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:40:08pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

Here’s the problem, Bernie is a fucking hypocrite.

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With all the DINOs and RINOs around, seems like a centrist third party, the INO Party, would be able to create a governing coalition, no?

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makeitstop  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:40:40pm

re: #34 Jebediah, RBG

OT

Several threads ago someone (Allegro?) posted a movie trailer and this Jacob Collier video popped up as one of the “Hey now watch this!” things at the end. I found it interesting, (even though I could follow and understand only a very little of it) and thought some other folks who hadn’t already seen it might also. He is apparently being interviewed about his approach to harmony anf whatnot - I know there are some musicians here who will be able to follow the conversation.
I think part of what kept me watching it was his infectious enthusiasm and love for music theory.
Also his speaking voice is deeper than I expected.

Video

He’s got perfect pitch too, apparently. When he sings the notes of a chord and it’s backed up on piano, he’s right on it.

And yeah, his enthusiasm is very engaging.

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Jenner7  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:41:00pm

And I’m sick to death of him saying stupid shit.

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CongoJack  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:41:20pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

Here’s the problem, Bernie is a fucking hypocrite.

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I don’t read that as the purity pony (the idiot cousin of the rainbow unicorn). I read that as Bernie didn’t even do his own homework on the candidates and basically killed his own notion of a 50 state strategy when he himself ignores a good swath of those states (remember in the primary when GA went for Hilary and all the Bros were like - yeah but those are black people).

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KGxvi  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:41:21pm

re: #42 GlutenFreeJesus

Trump appoints Bill to his cabinet in 3… 2… 1…

Cabinet? He’s going to be asking for Pence’s resignation

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lawhawk  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:43:08pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

All while saying that he’s not a Democrat himself.

If you can’t be bothered to be a member of the political party that you incessantly attack, undermine, and abuse all to further your own agenda, you don’t get a say in how that party runs.

So, of course, the Bernie bros are busy in my timeline.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:46:06pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

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Being a serial sexual harasser should have consequences. He’s not entitled to a talk show. So sick of this pedantic bs.

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lawhawk  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:46:48pm

If you’re going to claim to be a leader of a political party, the idea of winning back Congress means that you support your party’s candidates, even potentially where they may differ from your own.

Sanders is having too much fun wielding power by being an outsider and none of the responsibility to the party.

He’s getting to play purity pony by claiming progressive as his own, and then deciding who is or isn’t among the Democrats.

*deleted*

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:47:27pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

Here’s the problem, Bernie is a fucking hypocrite.

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Oh fuck off Bernie. Who the fuck and died and made you the arbitrator of progressivism.

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Skip Intro  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:49:06pm

re: #50 HappyWarrior

Being a serial sexual harasser should have consequences. He’s not entitled to a talk show. So sick of this pedantic bs.

There are so many channels where a perv like Bill would fit right in. TLC comes to mind. They specialize in shows featuring people like O’Reilly.

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Skip Intro  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:49:47pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Oh fuck off Bernie. Who the fuck and died and made you the arbitrator of progressivism.

The DNC did by giving him a platform.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:50:06pm

re: #51 lawhawk

If you’re going to claim to be a leader of a political party, the idea of winning back Congress means that you support your party’s candidates, even potentially where they may differ from your own.

Sanders is having too much fun wielding power by being an outsider and none of the responsibility to the party.

He’s getting to play purity pony by claiming progressive as his own, and then deciding who is or isn’t among the Democrats.

*deleted*

As I’ve said, this is exactly why he’s not a leader. Okay sure Ossoff may be more conservative than Sanders but you’re not electing someone like Sanders in GA-6. Sanders needs to stop meddling in the Democratic Party or retire imo.

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DodgerFan1988  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:50:52pm

re: #8 freetoken

How many days before Bill O’ shows up on another network show?

He’ll end up on Breibart, The Blaze, or Infowars. Their standard of journalism are slightly lower than Fox.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:50:54pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

Here’s the problem, Bernie is a fucking hypocrite.

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Because there’s so many elections going on right now that Bernie can’t be bothered to even do a cursory review of the candidates involved.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:51:21pm

re: #54 Skip Intro

The DNC did by giving him a platform.

Yeah sigh. Honestly the DNC was and is awfully generous to him considering how he goes out of his way to shit on the party’s candidates when they don’t meet his standards.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:52:48pm

Someone needs to run at Sanders from the left just to prove a point.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:53:03pm

re: #47 CongoJack

I don’t read that as the purity pony (the idiot cousin of the rainbow unicorn). I read that as Bernie didn’t even do his own homework on the candidates and basically killed his own notion of a 50 state strategy when he himself ignores a good swath of those states (remember in the primary when GA went for Hilary and all the Bros were like - yeah but those are black people).

That was my read, too. In my mind, the appropriate follow-up question is “How the fuck do you NOT KNOW? Is this shit not important enough for you to pay attention to?”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:54:31pm

This one’s for you Bill O!

Na Na Na Hey Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye - Steam

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Decatur Deb  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:54:53pm

Why are we talking about Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton when Adlai Stevenson is so much more interesting?

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:55:08pm

re: #53 Skip Intro

There are so many channels where a perv like Bill would fit right in. TLC comes to mind. They specialize in shows featuring people like O’Reilly.

“Tonight join Bill O’Reilly in The No-Consent Zone!”

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freetoken  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:55:28pm

re: #62 Decatur Deb

Henry Wallace - he’s my guy.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:55:42pm

It’s simple guys. Bernie is too obsessed with his Trump America tours that are his way of getting an early start on 2020?to read up on candidates. For someone lauded for not being a typical politician, there’s a lot about Sanders that should remind people why politicians are mistrusted but it’s ignored because he promises the moon.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:56:19pm

re: #64 freetoken

Henry Wallace - he’s my guy.

I’m all about David Lawrence. DD you will get that one.

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petesh  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:56:25pm

re: #62 Decatur Deb

Why are we talking about Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton when Adlai Stevenson is so much more interesting?

Yeah, we should stop “because we need a majority” … Gobbless Adlai

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CongoJack  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:56:49pm

re: #60 Jebediah, RBG

Grandpa is too busy talking to strangers in the street about how he use to bust heads and tied an onion his belt - which was the style at the time.

*sigh*

I liked Sanders in 2010 - then when he wanted a candidate to run against Obama I nearly lost it. My respect for Sanders and even Thom Hartmann have just evaporated. I cant even listen to Hartmann’s show anymore because of the constant Bernie fellatio and people not understanding that he isn’t the solution - he is the problem.

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makeitstop  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:59:06pm

re: #63 Jebediah, RBG

“Tonight join Bill O’Reilly in The No-Consent Job Zone!”

Adjusted that a bit.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:59:13pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

I’m all about David Lawrence. DD you will get that one.

He was the first mayor I was ever aware of—worked for “smoke control” before “air pollution” was a thing.

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CongoJack  Apr 19, 2017 • 12:59:27pm

Out for a bit. Hold down the fort while I’m gone.

Also OT: I find out the sex of my baby tonight!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:00:42pm

re: #70 Decatur Deb

He was the first mayor I was ever aware of—worked for “smoke control” before “air pollution” was a thing.

Yep. And you know me, soft spot for the PGH Irish.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:00:57pm

re: #71 CongoJack

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Congrats!

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Kragar  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:01:05pm

Watson absurdly declared that “you very rarely see people on the right going after people on the left in terms of personal attacks,” claiming that personal attacks have “not really been a tactic of the right.”

Stone, who has a long history of violent and bigoted rhetoric, agreed. Conservatives don’t focus on people’s “sexual foibles,” Stone insisted—which is ironic since only a few days ago, Stone appeared alongside InfoWars chief Alex Jones as Jones went on a violent, homophobic rant against Rep. Adam Schiff. Liberals use such personal attacks, he said, because they can’t compete in the war of ideas, and so resort to censorship to get their way.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:02:28pm

I’ve never heard of this Dave Rubin guy before. Why does he have 200,000 followers and almost half a million subscribers on YouTube?

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lawhawk  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:02:32pm

re: #74 Kragar

Well, it’s clear that Trump surrounded himself with idiots who know as much about the 1A as Trump does. Which is to say that Stone doesn’t know a thing about the Constitution or the 1A, and thinks that it applies here. Hint: It doesn’t.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:03:21pm

I liked Sanders for a long time too but he’s proven to be as if not more dishonest than your typical politican and it annoys me more because he tries to act like he’s above that when his acrions suggest he’s not. Sanders wouldn’t bug me if A) he didn’t sell himself as a savior, B) rip on those he deemed ideologically insufficient l, and C) act like a grandstanding jerk.

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stpaulbear  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:04:03pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

Here’s the problem, Bernie is a fucking hypocrite.

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Sounds like Bernie was playing the Purity Pony thing to the point that his own lack of knowledge about the candidate was reason to believe Ossoff wasn’t worthy of his support.

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piratedan  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:04:05pm

I fully expect Bill-O to file a counter-suit against Fox for creating a hostile work environment by hiring attractive women who refused to put out for him…. ////////

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:04:18pm

re: #69 makeitstop

Adjusted that a bit.

Yeah, and I kind of like that, although it took way too long, it was his “no-consent zone” of sexual harassment that landed him in the no-job zone.
If it would land him in the pokey, too, I would gladly make a solemn sacrifice of some nice little green buds…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:04:31pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

I’ve never heard of this Dave Rubin guy before. Why does he have 200,000 followers and almost half a million subscribers on YouTube?

I think he’s a former a Young Turk that went rw “liberatarian” since he hates PC.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:04:50pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I trust we used the appropriate planes to intercept?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:05:07pm

re: #74 Kragar

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Uh no Roger.

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Skip Intro  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:05:55pm

re: #59 HappyWarrior

Someone needs to run at Sanders from the left just to prove a point.

I was hoping the Obamas would move to his state so Michelle could kick his worthless ass out of the Senate. I rarely get what I want anymore.

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Kragar  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:06:32pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:07:04pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Maybe folks are confusing him with Rick Rubin?

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William Lewis  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:07:27pm

OT: But damn it I hate that allegedly “Christian” crap like this is being foisted on young women:

npr.org

Pro-patriarchy, pro-women’s oppression & all done with a wink and a smile like they should be grateful for having their opportunities stolen from them. Conservatives? Nothing biblical about this magazine or them.

But I bet you won’t find articles on how to feed, cloth & house the poor, how to visit strangers in your local jail, or to go and visit the sick at the hospital (all things Christ actually teaches us to do in Matthew 25:31-46 much less the very Jewish inspired teachings in the Letter of James. They’ll be too busy telling you not to listen to music that might inspire you to dance or kiss a boy (or, god forbid, another girl!).

< spit >

It frustrates me to no end to see garbage like this during Easter Week.

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Skip Intro  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:07:35pm

re: #63 Jebediah, RBG

“Tonight join Bill O’Reilly in The No-Consent Zone!”

“Watch tonight as Bill joins the Duggar clan and molests 12 of their daughters. Only on TLC!”

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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:07:50pm

we have a winner!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:07:51pm

re: #84 Skip Intro

I was hoping the Obamas would move to his state so Michelle could kick his worthless ass out of the Senate. I rarely get what I want anymore.

Is Al Giordano still talking about running against him? He frustrates me so much. I just don’t see the huge appeal. Ideas are only so much especially if you’re not a team player who prefers to shit on allies.

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Skip Intro  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:10:52pm

re: #76 lawhawk

Well, it’s clear that Trump surrounded himself with idiots who know as much about the 1A as Trump does. Which is to say that Stone doesn’t know a thing about the Constitution or the 1A, and thinks that it applies here. Hint: It doesn’t.

They know the 1A. It’s the wingnut audience they cater to that doesn’t, and they like it that way.

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DodgerFan1988  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:12:22pm

Trump to Erdogan:
“Congratulations on your absolute power grab. Please teach me how to do it.”

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Swampwitch  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:12:45pm

My son, who spent entirely too much time on Reddit, was a big Bernie guy during the beginning of the primaries. Then I showed him some of the vile things the bros were saying to me on Twitter and Facebook. The Trump flying buttmonkeys were harassing me too, but it was an easy 3-1 ratio pro bro. That just pissed him off…nobody messes with HIS Mom…and he withdrew his support. Then he took it upon himself to do some real research and he became a staunch Hillary guy.
He now restricts his Reddit-ing to the wrestling bits.

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retired cynic  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:14:45pm

re: #93 Swampwitch

A special son: one with an open mind. Congrats to you!

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wrenchwench  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:14:55pm

re: #93 Swampwitch

My son, who spent entirely too much time on Reddit, was a big Bernie guy during the beginning of the primaries. Then I showed him some of the vile things the bros were saying to me on Twitter and Facebook. The Trump flying buttmonkeys were harassing me too, but it was an easy 3-1 ratio pro bro. That just pissed him off…nobody messes with HIS Mom…and he withdrew his support. Then he took it upon himself to do some real research and he became a staunch Hillary guy.
He now restricts his Reddit-ing to the wrestling bits.

Good work!

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freetoken  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:15:30pm

I’ve not done a Page in quite some time, but my latest tweet:

… probably ought to be expanded upon.

I’m seeing more and more an intentional effort to change the story, so to speak. Concern has been raised that environmentalism’s message is too negative, that new stories are needed that spin humanity’s fate on this world in a more positive light.

All of this strikes me as very religious in nature.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:15:50pm

re: #93 Swampwitch

My son, who spent entirely too much time on Reddit, was a big Bernie guy during the beginning of the primaries. Then I showed him some of the vile things the bros were saying to me on Twitter and Facebook. The Trump flying buttmonkeys were harassing me too, but it was an easy 3-1 ratio pro bro. That just pissed him off…nobody messes with HIS Mom…and he withdrew his support. Then he took it upon himself to do some real research and he became a staunch Hillary guy.
He now restricts his Reddit-ing to the wrestling bits.

Both my brothers are big Bernie guys. The funny thing is the one actually even though he doesn’t realize it is at odds with Bernie’s views that societal problems are just Wall Street. I think both of them just didn’t like Clinton and fell in with Sanders. I’m trying to push both them to a reasonable Center Left philosophy.

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lawhawk  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:16:03pm

re: #91 Skip Intro

Assumes facts not in evidence. And they repeat it enough that they buy into that bullshit too. Trump doesn’t know or care, and repeats this nonsense mindlessly.

His supporters believe it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:17:12pm
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Kragar  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:18:15pm
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freetoken  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:19:17pm

And this gets back to Bill O’. His popularity in part stems from his ability to whistle for dogs with some skill, his ability to make haters feel good about themselves.

And part of that is his ability to tap into the religious angst of America, what I call the loss-of-God problem we’re experiencing.

Fox News exists to serve the disgruntled, the disgruntled at a modern society. The Murdochs make tons of money off of the unhappiness of some Americans at a society that has, or is trying to, move beyond them.

Bill O’ will just be replaced by someone else who will serve this purpose.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:19:57pm

My youngest brother completely buys all societal problems are economic in root. The middle one as I said is more nuance minded. The funny thing is the class one is probably the most right leaning of the three of us.

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Skip Intro  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:20:22pm

re: #98 lawhawk

Assumes facts not in evidence. And they repeat it enough that they buy into that bullshit too. Trump doesn’t know or care, and repeats this nonsense mindlessly.

His supporters believe it.

I think they’re smarter than their supporters - they’d have to be - and know this just feeds the victim hood story they love to spin about poor, discriminated against white men.

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Anymouse  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:21:37pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

I’ve never heard of this Dave Rubin guy before. Why does he have 200,000 followers and almost half a million subscribers on YouTube?

Dave Rubin has been around for a long time, actually.

en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:21:51pm

I mean I get Sanders appeal especially to younger people but as someone who has seen this show before, I’m not sold on Sanders as a leader and I definitely know his diehards would flip on him if he ever had to make any of the difficult decisions that come with being the executive.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:23:56pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

According to Bill O’Reilly, 80% of all the shootings in New York City are blacks-if you add Hispanics, that figure goes to 98%. 1% white.

— Donald J. Trump

Yeah but look on the bright side: we escaped having to be led by that woman with the email problems.

//

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Skip Intro  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:24:07pm

Ah, I see The Five is moving in to take over Carlson’s slot. The bullshit will continue to flow at Fox, uninterrupted.

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bratwurst  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:24:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:24:34pm

re: #107 Skip Intro

Ah, I see The Five is moving in to take over Carlson’s slot. The bullshit will continue to flow at Fox, uninterrupted.

Of course.

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while(1) worries++;  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:26:17pm

re: #42 GlutenFreeJesus

Trump appoints Bill to his cabinet in 3… 2… 1…

Maybe Bill might take over Spicer’s job …

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DuckDharma  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:26:47pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Simple: He’s a libertarian douchebag that a gives a platform to people like Cernovich for the numbers.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:26:49pm

re: #108 bratwurst

And if such a cable lineup were to continue to get first place ratings, the usual suspects would say stuff like “Yeah, but Fox is the highest rating cable network, so we should treat them respectfully”, etc.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:27:04pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

I’ve never heard of this Dave Rubin guy before. Why does he have 200,000 followers and almost half a million subscribers on YouTube?

He sounds like a self-hating, Fox “liberal”.

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darthstar  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:29:09pm

Looking forward to Morning Bill O on MSNBC.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:30:38pm

re: #50 HappyWarrior

Being a serial sexual harasser should have consequences. He’s not entitled to a talk show. So sick of this pedantic bs.

It was not an issue per se, especially as it was clearly known to the network years before it came out, the “problem” was that it too many lucrative paid advertisers started bailing from his show.

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DodgerFan1988  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:30:54pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

I’ve never heard of this Dave Rubin guy before. Why does he have 200,000 followers and almost half a million subscribers on YouTube?

Dave Dubin has a segment on the Young Turks Network called the Rubin Report. He’s openly gay and call himself a “classic liberal” but he speaks the language of the Alt-Right, ranting against feminism, identity politics, political correctness, the regression left, and social justice warriors.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:31:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:32:40pm

re: #115 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was not an issue per se, especially as it was clearly known to the network years before it came out, the “problem” was that it too many lucrative paid advertisers started bailing from his show.

Right so Rubin should stfu.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:32:40pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:33:48pm
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bratwurst  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:33:50pm

re: #116 DodgerFan1988

Dave Dubin has a segment on the Young Turks Network called the Rubin Report. He’s openly gay and call himself a “classic liberal” but he speaks the language of the Alt-Right, ranting against identity politics, political correctness, the regression left, and social justice warriors.

Wait…you mean someone who calls himself a “classic liberal” (or a “classical liberal”) is not, in fact, very liberal at all and more than a bit of a fucking asshole to boot?

Sounds somehow familiar…but I can’t put my finger on it. /

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:33:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:33:53pm

re: #116 DodgerFan1988

Dave Dubin has a segment on the Young Turks Network called the Rubin Report. He’s openly gay and call himself a “classic liberal” but he speaks the language of the Alt-Right, ranting against identity politics, political correctness, the regression left, and social justice warriors.

Yeah Cracked had an article on his “transformation.” People like him tick me off with their constant whiny shit.

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Skip Intro  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:33:57pm

Conde Nast Traveler places these four California hotels among the world’s 75 best

Not a single Trump property to be found in the entire 75.

latimes.com

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lawhawk  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:34:10pm

Gah… some people don’t get how politics works, or how political parties work.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:36:31pm

re: #116 DodgerFan1988

Dave Dubin has a segment on the Young Turks Network called the Rubin Report. He’s openly gay and call himself a “classic liberal” but he speaks the language of the Alt-Right, ranting against feminism, identity politics, political correctness, the regression left, and social justice warriors.

But Hillary was insufficiently pure and was held captive by the big banks, etc, right?

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:36:46pm

re: #74 Kragar

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This “amendment zero” notion that the constitution gives immunity to criticism or consequence infuriated me when the left used it, and it infuriates me now.

If a withdrawal of advertising is a violation of the First Amendment, then wtf has happened to the First Amendment rights of the advertisers? If it is “censorship” for a radio station to drop a performer, what has happened to the station’s First Amendment rights? I’m actually glad to see the RW hijack this moronic trope though, since it means they are consciously appealing to meth users and crackheads, and will now be cursed with them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:36:56pm

re: #82 Unshaken Defiance

I trust we used the appropriate planes to intercept?

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Those Russian Tu-95 Bears are not much older (1952) than the B-52 bombers (1955) we still have in service…

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bratwurst  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:37:17pm
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Romantic Heretic  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:37:24pm

re: #12 b_sharp

So sorry for your loss.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:39:37pm

re: #125 lawhawk

Gah… some people don’t get how politics works, or how political parties work.

Dudebro: The Democrats are terrible, slaves to Wall Street bankers and big corporations.

Person: The GOP is building a wall on the Mexican border, has repealed Obamacare and cut Medicare, is giving back public lands and parks to big business, etc.

Dudebro: Yeah but I’m talking about the Democrat Party and if they would be more pure enough then I could vote for them but until then….

///

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Dr. Matt  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:40:12pm

Fauxrage from the right in 5…4…3…..

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:40:15pm

re: #125 lawhawk

Gah… some people don’t get how politics works, or how political parties work.

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You don’t see the Senate’s other independent, Angus King acting like Sanders and that’s because he’s not an obnoxious blowhard.

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wrenchwench  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:41:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:41:45pm

re: #131 Sir John Barron

Dudebro: The Democrats are terrible, slaves to Wall Street bankers and big corporations.

Person: The GOP is building a wall on the Mexican border, has repealed Obamacare and cut Medicare, is giving back public lands and parks to big business, etc.

Dudebro: Yeah but I’m talking about the Democrat Party and if they would be more pure enough then I could vote for them but until then….

///

They’re hypocrites anyhow. They ignore that Sanders record on immigration was praised by Steve King no less but somehow Clinton is the Queen of Awful because Wall Street.

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petesh  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:42:16pm

re: #125 lawhawk

Gah… some people don’t get how politics works, or how political parties work.

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Yes, indeedy. I have no problem with people (for instance, me!) joining the Democratic party with the goal of shifting its policies left. In which, just by the way, we have been having some success. I do have a problem with people who sign up in order to run for office, lose, quit, and still think they deserve a voice in the institution from which they have disassociated themselves. I use the plural to include those who ran as delegates and then quit the party; and the general complaint extends to mere voters, too. Join us! Get inside the tent and piss out, as LBJ so clearly put it. Better that than being outside and pissing in.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:42:26pm

you voted to confirm him, John.

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Interesting Times  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:43:21pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:43:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:45:54pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

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you voted to confirm him, John.

You voted for his confirmation Senator. You knew this would come up probably.

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Skip Intro  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:46:11pm

Bernie’s going for the big wins in the critical races.

Sanders-Backing Socialist Wins Big In Georgia City Council Race

huffingtonpost.com

Oh wait. Sanders didn’t back him. He backed Sanders. Sanders was no where to be found during his race.

Never mind.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:46:35pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:46:48pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

You voted for his confirmation Senator. You knew this would come up probably.

Hey, what’s good for Exxon is good for America.

/

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Skip Intro  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:48:14pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

You voted for his confirmation Senator. You knew this would come up probably.

I think McCain’s dream job would have been driving a beer truck for his wife’s business. Too bad he didn’t go that route.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:49:17pm

re: #141 Skip Intro

Bernie’s going for the big wins in the critical races.

Sanders-Backing Socialist Wins Big In Georgia City Council Race

huffingtonpost.com

Oh wait. Sanders didn’t back him. He backed Sanders. Sanders was no where to be found during his race.

Never mind.

If he does stray from what Bernie wants though, Bernie will be the first to bash him though. Bernie’s a prick imo. I just hope he minds his own gd business if we elect Perriello. I’m already annoyed that he opted his opinion into the race. I’m more glad that Mr. & Mrs. Khan, Virginians no less are backing Tom.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:50:03pm

This is probably my biggest problem with milquetoast white male “both sides are bad” journalism. They just toss out rote non-thoughts like this because they think it makes them seem equanimous, even keeled and wise beyond years.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:51:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:51:54pm

re: #146 goddamnedfrank

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The is probably my biggest problem with milquetoast white male “both sides are bad” journalism. They just toss out rote non-thoughts like this because they think it makes them seem equanimous, even keeled and wise beyond years.

Yeah my own brother is becoming that way. It’s infuriating since he’s an intelligent guy and tbh much more than I am but he’s been becoming an obnoxious both sideser.

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Bubblehead II  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:52:45pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

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gocart mozart  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:53:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:53:21pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:53:36pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:54:47pm

Rubin’s fans are some real prizes.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:56:00pm

re: #152 Charles Johnson

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He’s settled before. This shit is just so pathetically pedantic.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:56:12pm
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Sir John Barron  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:57:03pm

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

I don’t know what Bill O’Reilly did or didn’t do, but the rejoicing of the destruction of public people is becoming increasingly dangerous.

— Dave Rubin

What the whut?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:58:13pm

Both sides is just a dipshit way of trying to act above partisan politics when you in fact have an agenda of your own. It’s like when McCain compared Falwell to Farrakhan. Falwell had influence in the American right that Farrakhan never has had.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:58:30pm

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

I don’t know what Bill O’Reilly did or didn’t do, but the rejoicing of the destruction of public people is becoming increasingly dangerous.

— Dave Rubin

This guy must not watch Faux News. The whole network is about destroying people, public and private.

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stpaulbear  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:58:59pm

OT for a question: Almost every day when I come home from work at 5:00 there’s a car parked across from my house with a guy slouched down in the driver seat. Sometimes he’s sitting there until 7-8:00 at night. I was home from work today and he’s been sitting there since about noon. Happens on the weekends too. This has been going on for months. I’ve seen him get out of the car to go to his trunk a couple of times.

Today I got half of his plate number and I’m feeling like calling the St Paul police as a ‘suspicious person’.

Am I sounding paranoid? I’m concerned that I’m turning into an ‘Old guy yells at kids’ kind of guy. There are no other neighbors affected (it’s a low-traffic, out of the way street with a warehouse across from my house). It just bugs me that there’s someone spending so much time sitting in a car across from my house.

edit: He just drove away (I can see the street when I’m on my computer). I wonder if he’ll be back later?

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Belafon  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:59:00pm

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

Those who do the things O’Reilly did should be shamed into spending more time with their children. That is, if they have children to go home to. If not, they can spend time with their alcohol.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:59:33pm

re: #156 Sir John Barron

I don’t know what Bill O’Reilly did or didn’t do, but the rejoicing of the self destruction of public people sexist predators is becoming increasingly dangerous just fucking fine.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 19, 2017 • 1:59:45pm

re: #159 stpaulbear

Sounds pretty weird to me. The guy parking by your house that is.

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William Lewis  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:01:48pm

re: #159 stpaulbear

Do you have a neighborhood officer? If so, that’s the one to contact. Otherwise, yeah, I’d call the main line as ask them about him. Describe the care well, the dude carefully & try hard to get the rest of the plate (cameras are good if you have a long lens) too.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:02:13pm

re: #160 Belafon

Those who do the things O’Reilly did should be shamed into spending more time with their children. That is, if they have children to go home to. If not, they can spend time with their alcohol.

O’Reilly’s been dishing it out for more than 20 years and now he’s a “victim”?

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allegro  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:02:19pm

re: #159 stpaulbear

OT for a question: Almost every day when I come home from work at 5:00 there’s a car parked across from my house with a guy slouched down in the driver seat. Sometimes he’s sitting there until 7-8:00 at night. I was home from work today and he’s been sitting there since about noon. Happens on the weekends too. This has been going on for months. I’ve seen him get out of the car to go to his trunk a couple of times.

Today I got half of his plate number and I’m feeling like calling the St Paul police as a ‘suspicious person’.

Am I sounding paranoid? I’m concerned that I’m turning into an ‘Old guy yells at kids’ kind of guy. There are no other neighbors affected (it’s a low-traffic, out of the way street with a warehouse across from my house). It just bugs me that there’s someone spending so much time sitting in a car across from my house.

edit: He just drove away (I can see the street when I’m on my computer). I wonder if he’ll be back later?

A homeless guy?

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Bubblehead II  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:03:12pm

re: #159 stpaulbear

OT for a question: Almost every day when I come home from work at 5:00 there’s a car parked across from my house with a guy slouched down in the driver seat. Sometimes he’s sitting there until 7-8:00 at night. I was home from work today and he’s been sitting there since about noon. Happens on the weekends too. This has been going on for months. I’ve seen him get out of the car to go to his trunk a couple of times.

Today I got half of his plate number and I’m feeling like calling the St Paul police as a ‘suspicious person’.

Am I sounding paranoid? I’m concerned that I’m turning into an ‘Old guy yells at kids’ kind of guy. There are no other neighbors affected (it’s a low-traffic, out of the way street with a warehouse across from my house). It just bugs me that there’s someone spending so much time sitting in a car across from my house.

edit: He just drove away (I can see the street when I’m on my computer). I wonder if he’ll be back later?

Call the Police. See if he drives off when the show up. Also take pictures of the car both covertly and obvious. Try 2 get a pic of the plate. You might also want to slide out the back (if you can) and walk by the car as a pedestrian while filming it.

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Danack  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:03:26pm

re: #34 Jebediah, RBG

OT

Several threads ago someone (Allegro?) posted a movie trailer and this Jacob Collier video popped up as one of the “Hey now watch this!” things at the end. I found it interesting, (even though I could follow and understand only a very little of it)
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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

I know some of these words.

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gocart mozart  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:04:16pm

re: #74 Kragar

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:04:55pm

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

I don’t know what Bill O’Reilly did or didn’t do, but the rejoicing of the destruction of public people is becoming increasingly dangerous.

Yes, we must respect our betters and recognize that their burdens and accomplishments should merit a different standard than those applied to ordinary people, for they were CHOSEN.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:06:06pm

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

I don’t know what all those Catholic priests, did…
I don’t know what Woody Allen did…
I don’t know what Michael Jackson did…

Why? Why is “public figure” some kind of marked category? Why is current day celebration different than, say, the same shit happening during the Regency, or Republican Rome? Justify the assertion in actual fucking terms, or it’s just some inbred cousin of a Barnum statement.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:06:39pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:07:14pm

re: #165 allegro

A homeless guy?

I was thinking maybe somebody with two jobs and too long a trip home to make it worth it before having to go to job 2.
Homeless does seem pretty likely, too.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:08:13pm
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stpaulbear  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:09:01pm

re: #165 allegro

A homeless guy?

His car doesn’t appear to be full of stuff. It’s a nice Nissan sedan.

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Teukka  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:09:12pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What? They trying to convince us they have a transparent aircraft carrier?
*ducks*

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:09:16pm

re: #173 Charles Johnson

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He’s settled before too. Dude is a serial harasser.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:10:18pm
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Bubblehead II  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:11:02pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

He’s settled before too. Dude is a serial harasser molester.

Just a slight tweak.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:11:14pm

Evening Lizardim.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:11:17pm

re: #159 stpaulbear

OT for a question: Almost every day when I come home from work at 5:00 there’s a car parked across from my house with a guy slouched down in the driver seat. Sometimes he’s sitting there until 7-8:00 at night. I was home from work today and he’s been sitting there since about noon. Happens on the weekends too. This has been going on for months. I’ve seen him get out of the car to go to his trunk a couple of times.

Today I got half of his plate number and I’m feeling like calling the St Paul police as a ‘suspicious person’.

Am I sounding paranoid? I’m concerned that I’m turning into an ‘Old guy yells at kids’ kind of guy. There are no other neighbors affected (it’s a low-traffic, out of the way street with a warehouse across from my house). It just bugs me that there’s someone spending so much time sitting in a car across from my house.

edit: He just drove away (I can see the street when I’m on my computer). I wonder if he’ll be back later?

Probably no big deal. I’d leave the dude alone, he’s probably hiding from his wife or some shit.

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makeitstop  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:14:05pm

This is great.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:14:23pm

re: #170 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

As an actually thoughtful person as opposed to someone paid to sound profound as a salaried performance, I can actually think about how the villification of public figures is an unhealthy form of social hygiene frequently exploited to enforce social mores, which is easily hack-able by sensationalists and demagogues.

Fatty Arbuckle.
The Black Hole of Calcutta.
The hounding of Mahler for his Jewishness.

But, see, I’m actually capable of nuance, so I noticed that O’Reilly’s fall is the end product of a long series of misdeeds that have been very expensive for his employer, and harder and harder to keep under wraps in a manner that retains his value as a performer of “traditional values” pornography. And furthermore, there’s now enough anecdotes and a recurring pattern that nobody can pretend this is a fucking one-off failing.

But I guess we all understand why I’m not being paid to comment on shit: detail is not catchy or truth-y.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:17:15pm

re: #169 Shiplord Kirel

Yes, we must respect our betters and recognize that their burdens and accomplishments should merit a different standard than those applied to ordinary people, for they were CHOSEN.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:18:16pm
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Dr. Matt  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:19:29pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

Submarine itinerary. jajajajaja

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:23:27pm
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darthstar  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:23:56pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

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you voted to confirm him, John.

He’s such a fucking tool.

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Targetpractice  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:24:34pm

re: #186 Dr. Matt

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Submarine itinerary. jajajajaja

“Look how butch Trump is, sending a carrier to warn North Korea!”

“Actually, it’s going the exact opposite direction.”

“WELL WHY DON’T YOU BROADCAST THE REST OF OUR TROOP MOVEMENTS TOO, YOU TRAITOR!!!”

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freetoken  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:25:05pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

Clearly the Deep State trying to overthrow our dear leader, who won the electoral college by a landslide, no?

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Jay C  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:25:10pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

wsj.com

Treasury? Wonder why they didn’t just go directly to the State Department??

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Sir John Barron  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:26:15pm

re: #190 freetoken

Clearly the Deep State trying to overthrow our dear leader, who won the electoral college by a landslide, no?

The biggest landslide since Rutherford Hayes.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:27:06pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:27:26pm

Looks like it’s Pedantic O’Clock on Twitter again.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:27:29pm

re: #187 Charles Johnson

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That’s the thing about settlements: They don’t constitute an admission of guilt, but they sure as hell imply it. I’m sure there are plenty of out-of-court settlements by an innocent party, but usually an innocent party with the means to fight in court, does so with vigor.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:27:46pm

re: #189 Targetpractice

“Look how butch Trump is, sending a carrier to warn North Korea!”

“Actually, it’s going the exact opposite direction.”

“WELL WHY DON’T YOU BROADCAST THE REST OF OUR TROOP MOVEMENTS TOO, YOU TRAITOR!!!”

2009-2016: Overthrowing the State is the highest calling of the True Patriot.

2017-You better be wearing a MAGA hat the next time I see you, traitor!

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KGxvi  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:29:17pm

re: #173 Charles Johnson

Cost of defense analysis on a $13m settlement:

Let’s assume an average billable hour rate of $850 (that factors in partners, associates, paralegals, law clerks). That calculates out to just shy of 15,300 hours, or 637 days of 24/7 billing. And that’s not including sunk costs of hours already billed.

There’s no way that defending a sexual harassment claim is going to run up $13m in billings. There’s just not enough work to do to get you to 15,000+ hours of work. As a lawyer, I am confident saying that if a settlement exceeds the cost of defense by more than about 20% or so, there’s probably some liability there.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:32:55pm

I don’t know about everyone else, but I find it pretty easy to go through my day not sexually harassing women to the point where I need a bailout ten times the size of an average American’s lifetime net earnings, just to keep out of the courtroom.

Just sayin’.

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KGxvi  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:33:08pm

re: #159 stpaulbear

OT for a question: Almost every day when I come home from work at 5:00 there’s a car parked across from my house with a guy slouched down in the driver seat. Sometimes he’s sitting there until 7-8:00 at night. I was home from work today and he’s been sitting there since about noon. Happens on the weekends too. This has been going on for months. I’ve seen him get out of the car to go to his trunk a couple of times.

Today I got half of his plate number and I’m feeling like calling the St Paul police as a ‘suspicious person’.

Am I sounding paranoid? I’m concerned that I’m turning into an ‘Old guy yells at kids’ kind of guy. There are no other neighbors affected (it’s a low-traffic, out of the way street with a warehouse across from my house). It just bugs me that there’s someone spending so much time sitting in a car across from my house.

edit: He just drove away (I can see the street when I’m on my computer). I wonder if he’ll be back later?

Could be a PI investigating someone on a fraudulent personal injury or workers’ comp claim?

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Targetpractice  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:35:37pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

Looks like it’s Pedantic O’Clock on Twitter again.

“LEAVE BILL ALONE!!!”

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KGxvi  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:36:15pm

re: #198 Pawn of the Oppressor

I don’t know about everyone else, but I find it pretty easy to go through my day not sexually harassing women to the point where I need a bailout ten times the size of an average American’s lifetime net earnings, just to keep out of the courtroom.

Just sayin’.

WELL SURE,B UT YOU DON”T HAV E THE MONEES TO PAY FOR THAT SETTELMENN… IT”S JUST TEH COST OF DOIN BUZINUSS, REALLY… NUTING TO SEE HEAR!!!!1!

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stpaulbear  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:39:45pm

re: #199 KGxvi

Could be a PI investigating someone on a fraudulent personal injury or workers’ comp claim?

I don’t think so. From what I’ve seen, he appears to be a scrawny kid in his 20’s.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:40:44pm

Haha!

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:42:25pm

re: #201 KGxvi

If you have the money to pay the settlement, you have than more than enough money to hire lawyers to fight things down to the ground.

…if you want to use that kind of heuristic….

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Skip Intro  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:43:13pm

UC Berkeley cancels Ann Coulter appearance, citing safety concerns after violent protests

It’s been a bad month for racists and hate mongers.

latimes.com

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:46:08pm

re: #159 stpaulbear

OT for a question: Almost every day when I come home from work at 5:00 there’s a car parked across from my house with a guy slouched down in the driver seat. Sometimes he’s sitting there until 7-8:00 at night. I was home from work today and he’s been sitting there since about noon. Happens on the weekends too. This has been going on for months. I’ve seen him get out of the car to go to his trunk a couple of times.

Today I got half of his plate number and I’m feeling like calling the St Paul police as a ‘suspicious person’.

Am I sounding paranoid? I’m concerned that I’m turning into an ‘Old guy yells at kids’ kind of guy. There are no other neighbors affected (it’s a low-traffic, out of the way street with a warehouse across from my house). It just bugs me that there’s someone spending so much time sitting in a car across from my house.

edit: He just drove away (I can see the street when I’m on my computer). I wonder if he’ll be back later?

I’d call the cops. Probably some harmless if odd reason, but he could be a stalker. The estranged husband of one of our employees would do that, sit in his pickup just across the street for the whole 8 hours she was at work. He finally came onto the property one night and the security guard had him arrested. Saw no more of him after that.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:49:30pm

re: #173 Charles Johnson

$13 million? Gee, you could buy a Congressman for that. Where are your priorities, Bill?

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Stanley Sea  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:52:07pm

re: #202 stpaulbear

I don’t think so. From what I’ve seen, he appears to be a scrawny kid in his 20’s.

Supposed to be in class. Used the tuition money for a trip to Fiji.

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austin_blue  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:52:53pm

re: #174 stpaulbear

His car doesn’t appear to be full of stuff. It’s a nice Nissan sedan.

Sounds like a stalker. Call the cops.

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KGxvi  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:54:12pm

re: #204 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

If you have the money to pay the settlement, you have than more than enough money to hire lawyers to fight things down to the ground.

…if you want to use that kind of heuristic….

A settlement that size, yes, for sure. My point was more the fact that a lot of times what happens is the parties get to a point in a case where they have to decide if it’s worth continuing the fight. Particularly from a defense standpoint - if it’s going to cost you $30,000 to settle or $30,000 to take the case to trial; a lot of people will pay the settlement. Because there’s always a chance that a jury goes against you. And after a year or two of living with litigation, people just want to be done with it.

It’s much more likely that the attorneys looked at the evidence, looked at the parties, and said “pay her” because that was the best possible outcome for O’Rielly.

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stpaulbear  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:55:23pm

re: #206 Shiplord Kirel

re: #209 austin_blue

If he comes back again this evening I’m going to call. I think I have enough info for them to run a check on the car.

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wrenchwench  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:56:00pm

They’re SO cute while the stinger is still underground.

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freetoken  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:56:52pm

re: #210 KGxvi

I suppose we could try and model all of this. That is, there is an expected value of a jury settlement, and then calculate how much you can pay less than the jury-expected value to make sure that you minimize your losses.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:57:30pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:59:10pm

My contribution to the discussion

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Jay C  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:59:24pm

re: #205 Skip Intro

UC Berkeley cancels Ann Coulter appearance, citing safety concerns after violent protests

It’s been a bad month for racists and hate mongers.

latimes.com

OTOH, it will probably prove a good one for RW media types, who now have another greivance to publish hand-wringing thumbsuckers about: most likely on how Nasty Evil SJWs are viciously murdering “Free Speech”, and grinding the Constitution under their environmentally-friendly jackboots, etc.

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freetoken  Apr 19, 2017 • 2:59:51pm

Texas SBOE does its thing:

Texas education board tentatively votes to change high school biology standards

The State Board of Education has given preliminary approval to revised curriculum standards that would no longer require students to challenge scientific theories about evolution.

I doubt this battle will ever truly end, as we’re looking at a low-intensity religious war that transcends generations.

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Targetpractice  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:01:34pm

re: #205 Skip Intro

UC Berkeley cancels Ann Coulter appearance, citing safety concerns after violent protests

It’s been a bad month for racists and hate mongers.

latimes.com

So, how long before the usual suspects pull out their clutching pearls and whine about how this is bad for freedom of speech because the only way to deal with hateful bigots is to give them a platform?

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:03:47pm

Good news for today: Bill O’Reilly has been fired by Fox News

Bad news for today: Sean Hannity has not.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:04:53pm

re: #202 stpaulbear

So it’s definitely not Mike Ehrmantraut, then?

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gocart mozart  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:05:08pm

re: #203 Stanley Sea

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KGxvi  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:05:34pm

re: #213 freetoken

I suppose we could try and model all of this. That is, there is an expected value of a jury settlement, and then calculate how much you can pay less than the jury-expected value to make sure that you minimize your losses.

Oh, that happens. Attorneys go through publications with recent jury verdicts and settlements to figure out how much liability there might be. We also do rough calculations on how much future litigation is going to cost. If it’s high dollar enough, some firms will hire consultants and do mock trials with mock juries to get a sense of how it will play out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:14:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:15:54pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:18:14pm

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Three months in and he still feels insecure. I guess getting your ass paddled time and time again does that to your ego.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:21:14pm

My wingnut cousin posted a Norman Rockwell retrospective thing on FB, saying “He captured America as it was.”

I was going to let it slide, till someone commented, “Back before the moral collapse of American culture!” and he agreed.

I replied, ” I would say that what Rockwell portrayed so well was not who we were, but who we wanted to think we were. And as America was changing from mostly rural to mostly metropolitan, that appealed to people who felt like they were losing something.”

After a little more back and forth, my cousin said, “America was a kinder, gentler and I think happier overall place than what it’s devolved into being.”

But the ‘kinder, gentler’ America he remembers is almost entirely because he’s a straight, white, Christian male. And Rockwell’s paintings? They were really 1950s nostalgia about the prewar period, because it wasn’t really like that even in the 1950s.

I guess I shouldn’t be too surprised by the nostalgic myopia. It was the Zenith of white men in America, and no doubt being forced to share privilege with others feels like oppression. Still, it’s a whole lot of Americans’ experience one dismisses by seeing that as When America Was Great.

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Nyet  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:21:37pm

Falafel Billy dindu nuffin.

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Targetpractice  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:26:12pm

re: #227 Blind Frog Belly White

My wingnut cousin posted a Norman Rockwell retrospective thing on FB, saying “He captured America as it was.”

I was going to let it slide, till someone commented, “Back before the moral collapse of American culture!” and he agreed.

I replied, ” I would say that what Rockwell portrayed so well was not who we were, but who we wanted to think we were. And as America was changing from mostly rural to mostly metropolitan, that appealed to people who felt like they were losing something.”

After a little more back and forth, my cousin said, “America was a kinder, gentler and I think happier overall place than what it’s devolved into being.”

But the ‘kinder, gentler’ America he remembers is almost entirely because he’s a straight, white, Christian male. And Rockwell’s paintings? They were really 1950s nostalgia about the prewar period, because it wasn’t really like that even in the 1950s.

I guess I shouldn’t be too surprised by the nostalgic myopia. It was the Zenith of white men in America, and no doubt being forced to share privilege with others feels like oppression. Still, it’s a whole lot of Americans’ experience one dismisses by seeing that as When America Was Great.

The people who think Rockwell’s painting depict America as it was also think Leave it to Beaver was a documentary. Perhaps your cousin needs to be shown Pleasantville so he can get an understanding of just how monochromatic that nostalgia really in. It’s easy to mistake that fantasy for reality when it’s so far in the past that the people who were actually old enough to understand what was going on back then are either dead or dying.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:26:42pm

A friend is monitoring the Texas Secession movement and will let me know when they close their offices and flee to Russia. It would mean abandoning all those MLM goods in their storage units, but, hell, even a second rate dacha would be well worth it.

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gocart mozart  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:30:00pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:32:56pm

re: #229 Targetpractice

The people who think Rockwell’s painting depict America as it was also think Leave it to Beaver was a documentary. Perhaps your cousin needs to be shown Pleasantville so he can get an understanding of just how monochromatic that nostalgia really in. It’s easy to mistake that fantasy for reality when it’s so far in the past that the people who were actually old enough to understand what was going on back then are either dead or dying.

The sanitized, standards-approved TV and movies of the time completely mislead people today about what the 50s were really like. It was a time of real innovation in things like the theater and fine arts, especially literature, as well as great social anxiety.
They really need to read the contemporary books, magazines, and newspapers to get a feel for the times.

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Targetpractice  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:33:27pm

“Life was so much better in the 50s! Why did we ever leave that?”

“An entire generation of self-important, over-privileged dipshits decided that that idyllic time was too constrictive and rebelled against it, then grew up into being hypocritical bastards who go around wondering where the great country they lived in as kids disappeared to.”

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Bubblehead II  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:42:42pm

Night Lizards

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thedopefishlives  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:43:23pm

re: #227 Blind Frog Belly White

Reminds me of one of the times a Trumptard was called out on Facebook, asking when America was last great (so we could know what to expect when Drumpf “made it great again”). His response? “The late 1940’s.” Yup.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:43:27pm

re: #227 Blind Frog Belly White

You should point out that Rockwell was doing magazine covers, and thus work to someone else’s spec. Indeed, a lot of his work was relevant to an article or story inside the magazine, not “depicting real life.” Rockwell actually quit the SEP because of its constraints on what he could depict.

He then went on to create The Problem We All Live With while at Look magazine, as well as well as Southern Justice, and News Kids on the Neighborhood…reflecting his personal interest in civil rights.

So the basis of the argument is…not a basis. It can only be maintained if one ignores what’s known about Norman Rockwell’s own thoughts about his times, the larger industry of commercial art that he was operating in, and how those two things meshed and didn’t mesh.

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KGxvi  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:44:09pm

re: #227 Blind Frog Belly White

“America was a kinder, gentler and I think happier overall place than what it’s devolved into being.”

We were more formal, and probably a bit more polite, in part because the world moved slower. There wasn’t as much to do and it didn’t necessarily need to be done immediately. But segregation and Jim Crow, prohibition, and lack of women’s rights tell me that the world was not a better place.

I think Nixon said it then, and I’ll say it now: in all of human history, there is no time or place that I’d rather live, than right here, right now.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:47:44pm

re: #236 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

What’s fucking depressing is…this is how the past becomes weaponized. Because anybody can pick a set of images, stories—and make up a few stories—and create a picture that other people will use to make serious judgements about the state of the world.

Geoffrey of Monmouth did a number on British politics.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:52:12pm
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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:52:39pm

This is an image done by an artist that preceded Rockwell at the SEP through the 40s, JC Leyendecker. From it should we gloss something and the overall state of prewar USA?

The dreaded dragon pinata virus sweeping the nation, destroying marriages?

ETA: I actually love this image, and have it on hand because I just archive art and share it on FB.

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Targetpractice  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:53:16pm

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Now wingnuts will be torn: Do they support the FBI and CIA because Trump is in the White House or support Wikileaks because “we have a right to know!”?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:54:33pm

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

I had always assumed it was Russian hackers.

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(alpuz)  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:55:02pm

Hey, Man.

arstechnica.com

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:55:44pm
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calochortus  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:56:51pm

re: #237 KGxvi

We were more formal, and probably a bit more polite, in part because the world moved slower. There wasn’t as much to do and it didn’t necessarily need to be done immediately. But segregation and Jim Crow, prohibition, and lack of women’s rights tell me that the world was not a better place.

I think Nixon said it then, and I’ll say it now: in all of human history, there is no time or place that I’d rather live, than right here, right now.

Can’t remember if I saw it here or elsewhere, but when people talk about how things have gone downhill it might be useful to ask them to pick a time when they would most like to live in-if they don’t get to choose their race, gender or where they live.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:57:06pm

re: #227 Blind Frog Belly White

My wingnut cousin posted a Norman Rockwell retrospective thing on FB, saying “He captured America as it was.”

I was going to let it slide, till someone commented, “Back before the moral collapse of American culture!” and he agreed.

I replied, ” I would say that what Rockwell portrayed so well was not who we were, but who we wanted to think we were. And as America was changing from mostly rural to mostly metropolitan, that appealed to people who felt like they were losing something.”

After a little more back and forth, my cousin said, “America was a kinder, gentler and I think happier overall place than what it’s devolved into being.”

But the ‘kinder, gentler’ America he remembers is almost entirely because he’s a straight, white, Christian male. And Rockwell’s paintings? They were really 1950s nostalgia about the prewar period, because it wasn’t really like that even in the 1950s.

I guess I shouldn’t be too surprised by the nostalgic myopia. It was the Zenith of white men in America, and no doubt being forced to share privilege with others feels like oppression. Still, it’s a whole lot of Americans’ experience one dismisses by seeing that as When America Was Great.

America in those days had communities that could refuse people to live there if you were the wrong race and country clubs that denied people entry based off their religion. Having a father born in the early 50’s, I understand why people romanticize that time period, it was no doubt a fun time to be a kid but let’s not romanticize the past and act like our values were so much superior back then too. You get it. I wish more older whites did.

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darthstar  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:57:12pm

re: #177 Charles Johnson

That was my thought exactly.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:57:37pm

re: #236 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

You should point out that Rockwell was doing magazine covers, and thus work to someone else’s spec. Indeed, a lot of his work was relevant to an article or story inside the magazine, not “depicting real life.” Rockwell actually quite the SEP because of its constraints on what he could depict.

He then went on to create The Problem We All Live With while at Look magazine, as well as well as Southern Justice, and News Kids on the Neighborhood…reflecting his personal interest in civil rights.

So the basis of the argument is…not a basis. It can only be maintained if one ignores what’s known about Norman Rockwell’s own thoughts about his times, the larger industry of commercial art that he was operating in, and how those two things meshed and didn’t mesh.

You know the crazy thing? I was JUST THINKING, “If only Rockwell had painted a picture of that little black girl, surrounded by Marshals, on the first day of integration”. I had forgotten that Rockwell painted that picture.

So I posted it on the FB thread, saying I guess Rockwell DID capture some of America as it was….

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:57:47pm

re: #216 Jay C

environmentally-friendly jackboots

I think you have just invented the product line that is going to make you rich!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:58:24pm

re: #245 calochortus

Can’t remember if I saw it here or elsewhere, but when people talk about how things have gone downhill it might be useful to ask them to pick a time when they would most like to live in-if they don’t get to choose their race, gender or where they live.

Being able to say you would love to go back in live in the 50’s or whatever idealized decade really to me just shows one’s inherent privileges mostly as a white person especially as a heterosexual white male.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:59:55pm

I love Rockwell’s paintings. But I think BFBW has it absolutely right that he painted us often as we imagined ourselves to be. I keep on thinking of the Freedom of Speech image from the Four Freedoms paintings.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 19, 2017 • 3:59:58pm

re: #159 stpaulbear

OT for a question: Almost every day when I come home from work at 5:00 there’s a car parked across from my house with a guy slouched down in the driver seat. Sometimes he’s sitting there until 7-8:00 at night. I was home from work today and he’s been sitting there since about noon. Happens on the weekends too. This has been going on for months. I’ve seen him get out of the car to go to his trunk a couple of times.

Today I got half of his plate number and I’m feeling like calling the St Paul police as a ‘suspicious person’.

Am I sounding paranoid? I’m concerned that I’m turning into an ‘Old guy yells at kids’ kind of guy. There are no other neighbors affected (it’s a low-traffic, out of the way street with a warehouse across from my house). It just bugs me that there’s someone spending so much time sitting in a car across from my house.

edit: He just drove away (I can see the street when I’m on my computer). I wonder if he’ll be back later?

Police or private security stake-out.

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(alpuz)  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:01:28pm

re: #243 (alpuz)

Hey, Man.

arstechnica.com

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ObserverArt  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:01:49pm

I thought James Mattis was one of the smart ones. Reading that bit about the “armada” in Sleuth’s #171 makes me wonder.

Did Trump get to him and now he has taken to a Spicer like mumbo-jumbo explanation to lay some defensive smoke for The Donny? Has another soul been sold?

Trump and Company give new meaning for an old phrase: Dazzle ‘em with Bullshit.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:03:28pm

re: #250 HappyWarrior

Being able to say you would love to go back in live in the 50’s or whatever idealized decade really to me just shows one’s inherent privileges mostly as a white person especially as a heterosexual white male.

My cousin was born somewhere around 1940, so his earliest memories would be of America winning WWII, followed by the postwar expansion. And growing up white, he’d be prone to seeing the whole thing from a single perspective.

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KGxvi  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:04:50pm

re: #245 calochortus

Can’t remember if I saw it here or elsewhere, but when people talk about how things have gone downhill it might be useful to ask them to pick a time when they would most like to live in-if they don’t get to choose their race, gender or where they live.

Being a Roman citizen in pax romana wouldn’t have been a bad time or place. You could safely travel the known world because your government would obliterate anyone else who killed its citizens. Good enough for second place, probably. (also, it’s not like we have reached a Utopian world - being a woman in Saudi Arabia today isn’t a great spot to be)

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calochortus  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:04:57pm

re: #250 HappyWarrior

Being able to say you would love to go back in live in the 50’s or whatever idealized decade really to me just shows one’s inherent privileges mostly as a white person especially as a heterosexual white male.

And even then, polio, measles, no seatbelts in cars, fear of nuclear attack… Ah, the good old days!

Disclaimer: I was born in 1953 and grew up in the suburbs. It was a good childhood, but I don’t think it was significantly better than my own kids in the ’80s.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:04:58pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:05:01pm

re: #205 Skip Intro

UC Berkeley cancels Ann Coulter appearance, citing safety concerns after violent protests

It’s been a bad month for racists and hate mongers.

latimes.com

That kid in your avie did it. Someone stands up to Coulter and she backs out.

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stpaulbear  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:05:11pm

re: #254 ObserverArt

Actually, it’s “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit”. At least that’s how I learned it here.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:05:35pm

re: #245 calochortus

re: #246 HappyWarrior

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:06:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:06:37pm

re: #257 calochortus

And even then, polio, measles, no seatbelts in cars, fear of nuclear attack… Ah, the good old days!

Disclaimer: I was born in 1953 and grew up in the suburbs. It was a good childhood, but I don’t think it was significantly better than my own kids in the ’80s.

I think people always romanticize their own childhoods. I’ve seen it with my generation and the 90’s when they talk about kids of today. And hell I’ve done it to some extent too.

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calochortus  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:06:58pm

re: #256 KGxvi

Being a Roman citizen in pax romana wouldn’t have been a bad time or place. You could safely travel the known world because your government would obliterate anyone else who killed its citizens. Good enough for second place, probably. (also, it’s not like we have reached a Utopian world - being a woman in Saudi Arabia today isn’t a great spot to be)

True, but our odds are probably better today. :)

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:07:11pm

re: #227 Blind Frog Belly White

My wingnut cousin posted a Norman Rockwell retrospective thing on FB, saying “He captured America as it was.”

I was going to let it slide, till someone commented, “Back before the moral collapse of American culture!” and he agreed.

I replied, ” I would say that what Rockwell portrayed so well was not who we were, but who we wanted to think we were. And as America was changing from mostly rural to mostly metropolitan, that appealed to people who felt like they were losing something.”

After a little more back and forth, my cousin said, “America was a kinder, gentler and I think happier overall place than what it’s devolved into being.”

But the ‘kinder, gentler’ America he remembers is almost entirely because he’s a straight, white, Christian male. And Rockwell’s paintings? They were really 1950s nostalgia about the prewar period, because it wasn’t really like that even in the 1950s.

I guess I shouldn’t be too surprised by the nostalgic myopia. It was the Zenith of white men in America, and no doubt being forced to share privilege with others feels like oppression. Still, it’s a whole lot of Americans’ experience one dismisses by seeing that as When America Was Great.

Rockwell was a card-carryin’ Liberal at a time when to be such was to be called a “Commie” by folks like your wingnut relative. He also painted Civil Rights themes.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:07:35pm

re: #255 Blind Frog Belly White

My cousin was born somewhere around 1940, so his earliest memories would be of America winning WWII, followed by the postwar expansion. And growing up white, he’d be prone to seeing the whole thing from a single perspective.

I mean if people like him could see that, it wouldn’t be so annoying. But the whole “Everything was better before X came along and ruined it” mentality really rubs me the wrong way.

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:07:39pm

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austin_blue  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:07:54pm

re: #262 Charles Johnson

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SQL is Sequential Query Language, yes?

What does WITH ROLLUP do?

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thedopefishlives  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:08:11pm

re: #268 austin_blue

SQL is Sequential Query Language, yes?

What does WITH ROLLUP do?

Structured Query Language.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:08:36pm

re: #261 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

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austin_blue  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:09:08pm

re: #269 thedopefishlives

Structured Query Language.

Thanks! The question remains…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:09:54pm

To another extent I think many American lefties do it when talking about the economic policies of the post war period. Yes, it’s true that labor unions enjoyed their greatest influence after WWII ended but it’s also true that many of those unions sought to deny membership to non whites.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:10:22pm

re: #268 austin_blue

SQL is Sequential Query Language, yes?

What does WITH ROLLUP do?

“Structured Query Language.” WITH ROLLUP is a way of getting grand totals from a series of aggregated sums. It is truly the bomb.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:10:28pm

I’m as pro union as any American liberal but let’s be real about the realities of the reality of post WWII life in our country.

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calochortus  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:10:57pm

re: #263 HappyWarrior

I think people always romanticize their own childhoods. I’ve seen it with my generation and the 90’s when they talk about kids of today. And hell I’ve done it to some extent too.

The Daily Show or Colbert Report had a piece on that childhood nostalgia thing several years ago. It was pretty funny, but spot on.

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ObserverArt  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:11:31pm

re: #226 Targetpractice

Three months in and he still feels insecure. I guess getting your ass paddled time and time again does that to your ego.

Three months in as President.

A lifetime career as a Business Man/Con Artist.

Same grandiose self evaluation as a touch-me-not the whole time.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:12:35pm

re: #270 HappyWarrior

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austin_blue  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:14:28pm

re: #273 Charles Johnson

“Structured Query Language.” WITH ROLLUP is a way of getting grand totals from a series of aggregated sums. It is truly the bomb.

Okay, I can see the use of that in numerical databases when you are looking for info in summed data. Why would this be relevant to LGF?

Or is it more useful in tracking data on FB or Twitter?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:15:38pm

re: #275 calochortus

The Daily Show or Colbert Report had a piece on that childhood nostalgia thing several years ago. It was pretty funny, but spot on.

I should look for that. I mean I get why that nostalgia exists. I have it for my own childhood but I’m glad my niece and the current generation of kids are much more open minded to LGBT people than we were.

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ObserverArt  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:16:38pm

re: #229 Targetpractice

The people who think Rockwell’s painting depict America as it was also think Leave it to Beaver was a documentary. Perhaps your cousin needs to be shown Pleasantville so he can get an understanding of just how monochromatic that nostalgia really in. It’s easy to mistake that fantasy for reality when it’s so far in the past that the people who were actually old enough to understand what was going on back then are either dead or dying.

Pleasantville totally surprised me how powerful a statement it made and how they played it all off of that TV ideal. And yet the movie wasn’t heavy handed and preachy. It maintained a TV comedy feel with a message. I need to watch it again.

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gocart mozart  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:16:42pm

re: #244 Charles Johnson

So sick of opinionated dickwads accusing other people of having opinionated opinions. They don’t realize how utterly stupid they sound.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:17:02pm

re: #278 austin_blue

Okay, I can see the use of that in numerical databases when you are looking for info in summed data. Why would this be relevant to LGF?

Or is it more useful in tracking data on FB or Twitter?

It came in very useful in a project I’ve been working on, to show statistics of different types of items, with a nice grand total of all items as the final row of results.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:17:05pm

re: #273 Charles Johnson

“Structured Query Language.” WITH ROLLUP is a way of getting grand totals from a series of aggregated sums. It is truly the bomb.

Made me think of CL, because she’d know what you are talking about.

GREATLY MISSED

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:17:57pm

re: #281 gocart mozart

So sick of opinionated dickwads accusing other people of having opinionated opinions. They don’t realize how utterly stupid they sound.

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I actually got a good laugh out of a guy with the name “Cure Liberalism Now” accusing me of being biased.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:18:29pm

re: #251 HappyWarrior

I love Rockwell’s paintings. But I think BFBW has it absolutely right that he painted us often as we imagined ourselves to be. I keep on thinking of the Freedom of Speech image from the Four Freedoms paintings.

At the end of ‘Armageddon’, after Bruce Willis FINALLY blows up the asteroid, there’s a montage of scenes from around the world.

One of them is in a small American town, with a bunch of Rockwell-esque kids, pushing a Rockwell-esque Radio Flyer wagon which has been made into a space shuttle-looking thing using Rockwell-esqueproduce crates (the kind nobody uses anymore). They excitedly push/pull it past a faded picture of JFK on the wall of a classic Rockwell-esque small town store. It’s so ‘Rockwell/Saturday Evening Post’ it’s a wonder nobody sued them for copyright infringement.

Scenes from all over the world, and that’s what the filmmakers chose to represent America - a small town, where most of us never lived, but that most of us think of as America.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:18:34pm

re: #281 gocart mozart

So sick of opinionated dickwads accusing other people of having opinionated opinions. They don’t realize how utterly stupid they sound.

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How pathetic are you if you have an anti liberal twitter handle and avatar?

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Stanley Sea  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:18:56pm

d’oh

Adm. James Stavridis to @MSNBC: The USS Carl Vinson error makes it look to N. Korea as though the U.S. did not have intent or determination.

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calochortus  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:19:56pm

re: #279 HappyWarrior

I should look for that. I mean I get why that nostalgia exists. I have it for my own childhood but I’m glad my niece and the current generation of kids are much more open minded to LGBT people than we were.

I don’t think the existence of LGBT people occurred to me until I was in my teens.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:20:24pm

Certain dim-witted types will assume that respect for past accomplishments automatically involves a general nostalgia for the period concerned. These are the pitiful consumer units who accuse you of “living in the past” or of believing in “good old days mythology” just because you admire certain aspects of the past, or even take them seriously. To them, everything that predates their immediate awareness is ridiculous or quaint and our predecessors were stupid for not knowing how to make computers or lasers. Well, very few of these social-amnesia victims could build a computer, or even a campfire, from scratch but they insist on taking personal credit for all the accomplishments of the present day, completely unaware that these would be impossible without the accomplishments of the past.

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ObserverArt  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:21:32pm

re: #236 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

You should point out that Rockwell was doing magazine covers, and thus work to someone else’s spec. Indeed, a lot of his work was relevant to an article or story inside the magazine, not “depicting real life.” Rockwell actually quit the SEP because of its constraints on what he could depict.

He then went on to create The Problem We All Live With while at Look magazine, as well as well as Southern Justice, and News Kids on the Neighborhood…reflecting his personal interest in civil rights.

So the basis of the argument is…not a basis. It can only be maintained if one ignores what’s known about Norman Rockwell’s own thoughts about his times, the larger industry of commercial art that he was operating in, and how those two things meshed and didn’t mesh.

Yes, Rockwell was an illustrator rather than a painter. He was a heck of an artist and technician with a great sense of design. But all of the work everyone is familiar were commissioned. A good job, but as you say, it wasn’t a personal take or view as much they were selling the cliche. Business.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:21:42pm

re: #285 Blind Frog Belly White

At the end of ‘Armageddon’, after Bruce Willis FINALLY blows up the asteroid, there’s a montage of scenes from around the world.

One of them is in a small American town, with a bunch of Rockwell-esque kids, pushing a Rockwell-esque Radio Flyer wagon which has been made into a space shuttle-looking thing using Rockwell-esqueproduce crates (the kind nobody uses anymore). They excitedly push/pull it past a faded picture of JFK on the wall of a classic Rockwell-esque small town store. It’s so ‘Rockwell/Saturday Evening Post’ it’s a wonder nobody sued them for copyright infringement.

Scenes from all over the world, and that’s what the filmmakers chose to represent America - a small town, where most of us never lived, but that most of us think of as America.

A past that never was I believe I wrote one time. But yeah we like to romanticize how we view ourselves. And I get it but at the same time, we need to have self awareness.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:22:40pm
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austin_blue  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:23:20pm

re: #283 Stanley Sea

Made me think of CL, because she’d know what you are talking about.

GREATLY MISSED

Okay, a couple of things:

Just got back from 17 days in the UK. What happened to Curious Lurker? Is it a flounce or a vacation? Love that woman…

Second, and this to Charles- the work Alan Lomax, the father of Ethnomusicology is now online at a great website

culturalequity.org

For those of you who aren’t aware of his work, check it out. What Cecil Sharp was to Trad music in the UK, Scotland, Wales and Ireland, Lomax was to the rest of the world.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:24:01pm

re: #293 austin_blue

I hate to break it to you…

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Skip Intro  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:25:58pm

re: #254 ObserverArt

I thought James Mattis was one of the smart ones. Reading that bit about the “armada” in Sleuth’s #171 makes me wonder.

Did Trump get to him and now he has taken to a Spicer like mumbo-jumbo explanation to lay some defensive smoke for The Donny? Has another soul been sold?

Trump and Company give new meaning for an old phrase: Dazzle ‘em with Bullshit.

Trump chose Mattis for two reasons. One, he looks like what Trump thinks a general should look like, and two, he loved the name “Mad Dog”.

Those were his sole qualifications, other than being totally loyal to Trump, of course.

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EPR-radar  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:26:42pm

re: #279 HappyWarrior

I should look for that. I mean I get why that nostalgia exists. I have it for my own childhood but I’m glad my niece and the current generation of kids are much more open minded to LGBT people than we were.

I suppose one advantage of having had an unpleasant childhood is that I have zero nostalgia for it, thereby closing off some forms of stupidity.

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darthstar  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:27:52pm

So Fox is replacing sexual predator Bill O’Reilly with admitted gay basher Tucker Carlson…talk about going to the well.

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Skip Intro  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:28:04pm

re: #257 calochortus

And even then, polio, measles, no seatbelts in cars, fear of nuclear attack… Ah, the good old days!

Disclaimer: I was born in 1953 and grew up in the suburbs. It was a good childhood, but I don’t think it was significantly better than my own kids in the ’80s.

And everybody smoked, everywhere, all the time. And drank. A lot.

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ObserverArt  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:28:15pm

re: #260 stpaulbear

Actually, it’s “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit”. At least that’s how I learned it here.

These are simple times and for Trump I condensed the phrase. Cut to the chase as it were.

But you are correct. That is the full phrase I remember too.

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calochortus  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:29:15pm

re: #296 EPR-radar

I suppose one advantage of having had an unpleasant childhood is that I have zero nostalgia for it, thereby closing off some forms of stupidity.

I’m sorry. My childhood wasn’t idyllic or anything (I got picked on a lot) but nothing is perfect, and overall the memories are happy. I have no desire to return to it though. Now, if you asked me if I wanted to be 30 again, I might have a different answer ;)

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EPR-radar  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:29:32pm

re: #295 Skip Intro

Trump chose Mattis for two reasons. One, he looks like what Trump thinks a general should look like, and two, he loved the name “Mad Dog”.

Those were his sole qualifications, other than being totally loyal to Trump, of course.

Isn’t it pathetic that Mattis may be the most competent Trump appointee thus far?

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austin_blue  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:30:37pm

re: #294 thedopefishlives

I hate to break it to you…

littlegreenfootballs.com

Well, just fuck fuck fuck.

If her God exists, may Allah hold that woman’s dear soul in the hollows of his hands and kiss her every day.

I think I’ll have a little cry, now.

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ObserverArt  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:31:57pm

re: #263 HappyWarrior

I think people always romanticize their own childhoods. I’ve seen it with my generation and the 90’s when they talk about kids of today. And hell I’ve done it to some extent too.

I think that is natural. What else does anyone have to compare but their own life? Plus…you are simply alive. Pretty good time to be young and alive and learning.

Then you grow older and life loads you up with a lot of stuff and why wouldn’t you look back and think, damn it was great back then.

The key is to be able to put that in perspective, and too many never do.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:32:00pm

re: #302 austin_blue

Well, just fuck fuck fuck.

If her God exists, may Allah hold that woman’s dear soul in the hollows of his hands and kiss her every day.

I think I’ll have a little cry, now.

And now you know how we’ve all been feeling for most of the last week.

{{{austin}}}

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:33:07pm

re: #257 calochortus

And even then, polio, measles, no seatbelts in cars, fear of nuclear attack… Ah, the good old days!

Disclaimer: I was born in 1953 and grew up in the suburbs. It was a good childhood, but I don’t think it was significantly better than my own kids in the ’80s.

People long for the times of their youth, partly because parents shield them from ugly realities, and partly because whatever problems there were then, they weren’t responsible for them. We remember riding without seatbelts and surviving, but we don’t remember the kids whose skulls were smashed on the hard metal dashboard. We remember getting chicken pox or the mumps, but we don’t remember polio.

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calochortus  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:33:08pm

BBL

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thedopefishlives  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:34:33pm

re: #302 austin_blue

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gocart mozart  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:35:12pm
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Teukka  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:35:13pm

re: #292 Charles Johnson

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:35:30pm

I know people who refuse to believe that the SR-71 was designed largely without resort to digital computers, or that fax machines could have existed before there was a way to digitize the signal. They can’t imagine how this was done. If we are at my house, I can dig out a sliderule, my “wooden computer,” and perform a demonstration for the spellbound skeptics. I can also show them the “paper internet,” my 1963 World Book Encyclopedia, and similarly information-dense dead-tree compilations, including some, like the 1867 Smithsonian Report, from the time before even electric lights existed.

None other than Isaac Asimov foresaw this, in his 1959 short story The Feeling of Power.

In the distant future, humans live in a computer-aided society and have forgotten the fundamentals of mathematics, including even the rudimentary skill of counting.

The Terrestrial Federation is at war with Deneb, and the war is conducted by long-range weapons controlled by computers which are expensive and hard to replace. Myron Aub, a low grade Technician, discovers how to reverse-engineer the principles of pencil-and-paper arithmetic from computers—a development which is later dubbed “Graphitics”. The discovery is appropriated by the military establishment, who use it to re-invent their understanding of mathematics. They also plan to replace their computer-operated ships with lower cost, more expendable (in their opinion) manned ships to continue the war.

Aub is so upset by the appropriation of his discovery for military purposes that he commits suicide. As Aub’s funeral proceeds, his supervisor realizes that even with Aub dead, the advancement of Graphitics is unstoppable. He executes simple multiplications in his mind without help from any machine, which gives him a great feeling of power.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:41:06pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:44:33pm

Let me guess - this time Trump will say Curiel can’t be fair because Trump unfairly insulted him?

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austin_blue  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:44:37pm

re: #307 thedopefishlives

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makeitstop  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:47:02pm

re: #304 thedopefishlives

And now you know how we’ve all been feeling for most of the last week.

{{{austin}}}

I keep expecting her to show up at the end of a long thread.

I miss her.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:50:17pm

re: #314 makeitstop

I keep expecting her to show up at the end of a long thread.

I miss her.

We all do. Grief is one of those things that gets better with time, but never truly goes away.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:52:40pm

re: #261 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

I was just reading the other day about a “bad things happened but got covered up” event.

In the 1920s, a community conspired to kill Native Americans for the oil money.

Good Old Days, indeed.

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Archangelus  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:53:08pm

re: #294 thedopefishlives

I hate to break it to you…

littlegreenfootballs.com

Oh damn damn damnit all… noticed folks mention CL in a previous thread after returning from a brief sanity break from all things political, but didn’t quite get what it was about (thought it had something to do with something that got posted while I was away)… didn’t actually realize what had actually happened…
RIP CL, will be missed… :(((

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sagehen  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:53:49pm

re: #121 bratwurst

Wait…you mean someone who calls himself a “classic liberal” (or a “classical liberal”) is not, in fact, very liberal at all and more than a bit of a fucking asshole to boot?

Sounds somehow familiar…but I can’t put my finger on it. /

A “classical liberal” is someone who can be considered liberal if judged by 18th century standards.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:56:35pm

re: #318 sagehen

A “classical liberal” is someone who can be considered liberal if judged by 18th century standards.

In other words, someone who owned slaves and fucked them and took them on trips to Paris France, instead of his wife (who was also the slave’s sister).

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 19, 2017 • 4:56:51pm

re: #263 HappyWarrior

I think people always romanticize their own childhoods. I’ve seen it with my generation and the 90’s when they talk about kids of today. And hell I’ve done it to some extent too.

I’m afraid my childhood was so unfun that there is no way to romanticize it. I’ve since referred to the place as “one of the whitest places on Earth” and I was the “designated N-word”.

It seems to me that every community has to have someone to look down on and mistreat. I think places that are overwhelmingly majority WASP are the worst for this.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:01:16pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:01:24pm

just in case you may have forgotten that Steve King is an arse:

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Cheechako  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:01:58pm

I guess I’m one of the old farts around here who grew up in the 50’s. I graduated HS in 1960. My hometown was a small town about 20 miles south of Boston. 100% white and 75% RCC. There were 2 Jewish families in town. The public schools served fish on Fridays and Bible passages were read every morning over the PA.

The town was blue collar with jobs in the shovel factory, the local foundry, or in the shoe factories in the neighboring city.

We watched Leave It To Beaver, I Love Lucy, Red Skelton and Texaco Star Theater on our b/w TVs. Every afternoon everyone rushed home to watch American Bandstand and The Mickey Mouse Club.

Yes, it was a very idealistic time to grow up. But, the town had problems. In the late 50’s the School Board hired a black music teacher and were very proud of breaking the “racial barriers” in the school system. The one small problem was that the teacher could not find a house or apartment to rent. “None” were available so they said. She had to commute from a near-by community.

Other problems included having to be from a certain religion to get elected to the school board or town selectman. As someone mentioned above, most of the dirt and trash were covered up by the PD.

All I can say is it was what is was. I don’t think we were very different from any other small New England town. And I did survive.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:03:08pm

re: #319 The Vicious Babushka

In other words, someone who owned slaves and fucked them and took them on trips to Paris France, instead of his wife (who was also the slave’s sister).

Ha! Now who might you be talking about? Wink, wink. But yeah all a classical liberal really is someone whose ideas would have been seen as liberal way back when but adjusted for modernity isn’t liberal at all. I’m supposed to applaud you for supporting elected government and an independent judiciary?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:05:00pm

re: #322 Backwoods_Sleuth

just in case you may have forgotten that Steve King is an arse:

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Fuck you Steve. They’re more Americans than your bigoted ass ever will be. They want to be Americans. You’re only an American since your dad fucked your mom here.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:07:00pm

re: #1 Jenner7

Somewhere Maxine Waters is adjusting her hair and laughing. Karma is a b*tch and God don’t like ugly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:10:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:11:03pm

re: #327 Backwoods_Sleuth

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:13:14pm
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lawhawk  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:15:05pm

re: #329 FormerDirtDart

Good. This always reeked of GOP desperation to kill everyone on death row before the drug supply ran out.

It was never about justice or the law - just political expediency.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:19:57pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

Here’s the problem, Bernie is a fucking hypocrite.

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This is why I’m puzzled that Tom Perez is touring with Sanders. To be honest, it feels as if Sanders is sabotaging Democrats every chance he gets. Something is off about him.

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lawhawk  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:20:11pm

I’d take a long long long look at any contractors, and then look at anyone in the Trump admin who has no business anywhere near the CIA.

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lawhawk  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:22:14pm

As if the CIA being compromised by a leaker/traitor wasn’t bad enough, Putin’s plans are starting to surface too:

The first Russian institute document was a strategy paper written last June that circulated at the highest levels of the Russian government but was not addressed to any specific individuals.

It recommended the Kremlin launch a propaganda campaign on social media and Russian state-backed global news outlets to encourage U.S. voters to elect a president who would take a softer line toward Russia than the administration of then-President Barack Obama, the seven officials said.

A second institute document, drafted in October and distributed in the same way, warned that Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton was likely to win the election. For that reason, it argued, it was better for Russia to end its pro-Trump propaganda and instead intensify its messaging about voter fraud to undermine the U.S. electoral system’s legitimacy and damage Clinton’s reputation in an effort to undermine her presidency, the seven officials said.

The current and former U.S. officials spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the Russian documents’ classified status. They declined to discuss how the United States obtained them. U.S. intelligence agencies also declined to comment on them.

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Archangelus  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:22:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:23:09pm

My Medicare card haz arrived.

sigh…

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:25:06pm

re: #332 lawhawk

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I’d take a long long long look at any contractors, and then look at anyone in the Trump admin who has no business anywhere near the CIA.

Have the networks been hacked?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:27:17pm

re: #336 The Vicious Babushka

Have the networks been hacked?

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Same photo that was used for a screaming headline recently claiming that Malia had been expelled from Harvard because of some boyfriend nonsense or something.

Never mind that she is still on her gap year and hasn’t started at Harvard yet.

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gocart mozart  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:28:26pm
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Patricia Kayden  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:29:12pm

re: #74 Kragar

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Can they really be that clueless? They’ve attacked President Clinton for his sexual indiscretions for decades now. And they went after President Obama on a personal level when they claimed he was born in Kenya.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:29:51pm

re: #338 gocart mozart

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So much for the tolerant left.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:34:51pm
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Skip Intro  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:35:01pm

re: #334 Archangelus

Whenever I see him I think of Mike Royko’s description of Chicago Mayor Daley as ” a potato with mange”.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:37:18pm

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Shut up Bernie. You were part of the Democratic machine last year too. You lost too.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:38:44pm

Anything she wants, she can do.

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William Lewis  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:39:07pm

re: #292 Charles Johnson

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Bugs Bunny gave us the answer long ago - “Maroons”.

urbandictionary.com

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:39:29pm

re: #321 Stanley Sea

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No wonder Trump loves Bill — racist, sexist. What’s not to love?

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jaunte  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:40:43pm
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Skip Intro  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:41:22pm

re: #343 HappyWarrior

Shut up Bernie. You were part of the Democratic machine last year too. You lost too.

He had his fingers crossed behind his back when he said he was a Dem.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:41:35pm

pretty sure there’s a knock-knock joke behind this…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:42:28pm

re: #348 Skip Intro

He had his fingers crossed behind his back when he said he was a Dem.

He never misses an opportunity to shit on the party that supported him more than he’s ever supported them. He’s a weasel.

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makeitstop  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:45:09pm

re: #318 sagehen

A “classical liberal” is someone who can be considered liberal if judged by 18th century standards.

Remember we used to have a Lizard who called himself a ‘classical liberal?’

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:45:44pm

sigh…………..

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sagehen  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:45:57pm

re: #245 calochortus

Can’t remember if I saw it here or elsewhere, but when people talk about how things have gone downhill it might be useful to ask them to pick a time when they would most like to live in-if they don’t get to choose their race, gender or where they live.

Pre-Columbian Tenochtitlan.

They had indoor plumbing, tequila, chocolate, cocaine, popcorn, and clothes made out of feathers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:46:28pm
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PhillyPretzel  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:48:07pm

OT Very long story made short. I got an email from BJ’s asking for my new email address. They got notice from Verizon that the mail server is being shut down for upgrades. One Verizon store sent me to their telephone people for FiOS. No joy. I went to another Verizon store in the University of Penn area. I showed the one of the reps my email from BJ’s and got the whole story. I am preparing to get a Gmail account and transfer as much as I can to it. Charles when I get the new email address I will send it to you.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:48:28pm

so, what happened to performance art?

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jaunte  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:49:06pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:49:43pm

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

pretty sure there’s a knock-knock joke behind this…

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TITANIC II:

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:50:35pm

re: #357 jaunte

The Berlin demimonde have secretly drawn an M on Bill O’Reilly just outside of this shot.

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jaunte  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:51:11pm
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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:51:55pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:52:07pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:52:22pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:53:56pm

earlier today trial highlights:

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Skip Intro  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:54:19pm

re: #357 jaunte

With O’Reilly gone will we never solve the mystery of the tides?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:55:34pm

re: #365 Skip Intro

With O’Reilly gone will we never solve the mystery of the tides?

Just lay back, close your eyes, and think of England…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:55:45pm

re: #363 gocart mozart

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That’s from four years ago in fairness.

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jaunte  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:56:49pm

re: #365 Skip Intro

The icebergs attack Canada, no one can explain it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:57:45pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:58:22pm
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Dave In Austin  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:58:36pm

re: #368 jaunte

The icebergs attack Canada, no one can explain it.

Drop a MOAB on that berg. That will show ‘em

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retired cynic  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:59:01pm

Jim Wright. Super.

stonekettle.com

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jaunte  Apr 19, 2017 • 5:59:41pm

re: #371 Dave In Austin

We’re sending/will send/have sent/may send an armada.

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Skip Intro  Apr 19, 2017 • 6:00:42pm

re: #364 Backwoods_Sleuth

earlier today trial highlights:

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This would make great pay for view.

“It seemed a remarkably tame performance by Alex Jones standards, although he appeared at times to be struggling. Jones seemed incapable of answering questions directly and would repeatedly shake his head and squint at the ceiling in dismay at the objections of his ex-wife’s attorney Bobby Newman. Squeezed into his suit, he seemed to dominate the courtroom, largely due to his booming, gravelly voice that makes “breakfast” sound almost like a threat.”

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Skip Intro  Apr 19, 2017 • 6:01:37pm

re: #373 jaunte

We’re sending/will send/have sent/may send an armada.

All at the same time.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 19, 2017 • 6:03:06pm

re: #375 Skip Intro

All at the same time.

Alternative armadas.

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Skip Intro  Apr 19, 2017 • 6:06:40pm

re: #376 Big Beautiful Door

Alternative armadas.

The multiverse.

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EPR-radar  Apr 19, 2017 • 6:07:54pm

re: #351 makeitstop

Remember we used to have a Lizard who called himself a ‘classical liberal?’

‘classical liberal’ seems to be a common self-description for people who routinely vote for all that stupid Republican shit and want to pretend that they somehow aren’t Republicans.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2017 • 6:13:07pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2017 • 6:18:43pm
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Cheechako  Apr 19, 2017 • 6:19:37pm

re: #335 Backwoods_Sleuth

My Medicare card haz arrived.

sigh…

Welcome to the club. Did you bring doughnuts?

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2017 • 6:24:43pm
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PhillyPretzel  Apr 19, 2017 • 6:24:45pm

re: #380 Charles Johnson

As mentioned up-thread I have a new email address and I have updated my account. :)

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Stanley Sea  Apr 19, 2017 • 6:27:15pm

re: #372 retired cynic

Jim Wright. Super.

stonekettle.com

BRAVO.

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EPR-radar  Apr 19, 2017 • 6:31:46pm

re: #372 retired cynic

Jim Wright. Super.

stonekettle.com

Thanks for the link. This is seriously worth reading. I don’t recall the exact title now, but long ago I saw the worst book title ever. Something like ‘simple answers to hard questions’. Gah.

I googled that just now, and it’s apparently been used for several other books since then. Double Gah.

The example of the Iran hostage crisis really hit home for me, because the way that played out was a big part of why I was more likely to vote (R) than (D) until 2004.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 19, 2017 • 6:32:21pm

Deb, you here?

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Apr 19, 2017 • 6:40:26pm

re: #379 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m not an atturneh, but I done seen one do this fer real in the courtroom.

(Fluster the Plaintiff’s witness and confuse them, and get them to admit they can’t give a straight answer, in order to make sure the judge is as flustered and confused as the Defendant, in a business eviction case.)

If AJ loses his bananas on the stand, no amount of saying he’s a responsible monkey will be enough.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2017 • 6:43:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2017 • 6:47:32pm

re: #388 Charles Johnson

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Good read.

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2017 • 6:47:51pm

re: #388 Charles Johnson

Anything that starts and ends with Bobcat Goldthwait quotes is good. The meat of the essay is especially thought-provoking. One his very best.

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b.d.  Apr 19, 2017 • 6:50:46pm

re: #388 Charles Johnson

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“The Hubris of Ignorance”? I am certain I don’t need to know about that!

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BeachDem  Apr 19, 2017 • 6:52:33pm

re: #129 bratwurst

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And my two favorite things:

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BeachDem  Apr 19, 2017 • 6:56:05pm

re: #136 petesh

Yes, indeedy. I have no problem with people (for instance, me!) joining the Democratic party with the goal of shifting its policies left. In which, just by the way, we have been having some success. I do have a problem with people who sign up in order to run for office, lose, quit, and still think they deserve a voice in the institution from which they have disassociated themselves. I use the plural to include those who ran as delegates and then quit the party; and the general complaint extends to mere voters, too. Join us! Get inside the tent and piss out, as LBJ so clearly put it. Better that than being outside and pissing in.

I mentioned the other day that the My Revolution crowd was encouraged to become delegates at our state convention later this month. These are people who have not been involved at any level of party politics—not even sure they’ve voted—nobody has ever seen or heard of most of them before.

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BeachDem  Apr 19, 2017 • 6:59:35pm

re: #152 Charles Johnson

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Sort of a little slip by Nic there—assume the ACCUSER is guilty??

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Dave In Austin  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:02:53pm

re: #376 Big Beautiful Door

Alternative armadas.

Mother of the Armadas
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:06:56pm
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Stanley Sea  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:08:52pm

re: #396 The Vicious Babushka

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Cause the SecServ (typed SS & had double take) doesn’t have their shit together?

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makeitstop  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:14:04pm

re: #397 Stanley Sea

Cause the SecServ (typed SS & had double take) doesn’t have their shit together?

Maybe they get those pesky protestors. Who wants to look at them?

/

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freetoken  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:15:32pm

UC put up several videos recently on higher education. This one struck me as particularly insightful:

Programs for Under-Prepared College Students: A Tale of Unintended Consequences

Type casting young people is a sad thing to do. At least some in higher ed are beginning to recognize how counterproductive it is.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:16:25pm

The latest Dead Pool Update, courtesy Kevin Drum:

I seem to recall that K.T. McFarland was being fawned all over the right wing pundit class (Thomas Sowell, Cal Thomas and the other thinkers of wishing for the good old days)-oh, well….

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:19:17pm

Robert Reich: Ann Coulter Should be allowed to speak at UC Berkley

This is a grave mistake. Coulter should be allowed to speak.

How can students understand the vapidity of Coulter’s arguments without being allowed to hear her make them, and question her about them?

It’s one thing to cancel an address at the last moment because university and local police are not prepared to contain violence - as occurred, sadly, with Yiannopoulos. It’s another thing entirely to cancel an address before it is given, when police have adequate time to prepare for such eventualities.

Free speech is what universities are all about. If universities don’t do everything possible to foster and protect it, they aren’t universities. They’re playpens.

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:23:05pm

Hot wingnut-on-wingnut action.

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stpaulbear  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:24:10pm

re: #395 Dave In Austin

Alternative armadas.

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jaunte  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:27:12pm
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Skip Intro  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:28:58pm

re: #404 jaunte

I doubt that very much. With money and lawyers they can postpone it for life.

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Puss Power  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:29:33pm

re: #401 Eric The Fruit Bat

Robert Reich: Ann Coulter Should be allowed to speak at UC Berkley

I agree, but what I expect we’d see is a pitched battle between the alt-rights and the antifas. Not edifying.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:30:02pm

re: #402 teleskiguy

Is that the genuine Twitter account or just a clever spoof account?

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jaunte  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:30:08pm

re: #405 Skip Intro

A month ago, i wouldn’t have believed O’Reilly would ever leave Fox.

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majii  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:30:36pm

re: #323 Cheechako

“Yes, it was a very idealistic time to grow up. But, the town had problems. In the late 50’s the School Board hired a black music teacher and were very proud of breaking the “racial barriers” in the school system. The one small problem was that the teacher could not find a house or apartment to rent. “None” were available so they said. She had to commute from a near-by community.”

I can attest to this. My first job was in a small town that was located approximately 20 miles from Athens, which is where my college was located. Well, when I tried to find an apartment in the town, no one would rent one to me. I ended up renting a room in a family’s home my first year. The next year, I moved back to Athens, rented an apartment, and commuted from Athens to the town to work. Those who owned apartment complexes couldn’t imagine themselves renting an apartment to a ‘blah’ person. This happened in 1974.

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Skip Intro  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:30:55pm

re: #402 teleskiguy

Hot wingnut-on-wingnut action.

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What reputation, and who is Bob Gray.

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calochortus  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:32:00pm

re: #408 jaunte

A month ago, i wouldn’t have believed O’Reilly would ever leave Fox.

Well he didn’t do it willingly, so there’s that.

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:32:20pm

re: #407 Eric The Fruit Bat

Is that the genuine Twitter account or just a clever spoof account?

It’s the real deal.

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jaunte  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:33:46pm

NEXT!

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Skip Intro  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:33:48pm

re: #406 Puss Power

I agree, but what I expect we’d see is a pitched battle between the alt-rights and the antifas. Not edifying.

I don’t. Like with Milo and Pharma Bro, the Republican club only invited her to try and provoke a riot.

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Skip Intro  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:35:47pm

re: #413 jaunte

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NEXT!

You can’t even grab them by the pussy anymore! Outrageous!

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:35:56pm

Where design meets dumbfuckery: I wonder how many fingertips were lost before the manufacturer decided to dump these knives at $1.29 each on ebay.

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BeachDem  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:36:23pm

re: #323 Cheechako

Wow—I also grew up in a town about 20 mile south of Boston, but it was magnitudes different. Large Jewish population (I thought we were a majority until I got out in the world.) Many Jewish selectmen. Two parts to the town—the older, established Protestant group and the more recent commuter types (that was us.) My elementary school was about 90 percent Jewish and we really didn’t mix with the “uptown” kids until junior high. Oh, and only about 3 black families, one of which was a Boston Celtic player (and their kids all went to private school.)

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scottslemmons  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:36:29pm

re: #413 jaunte

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NEXT!

I think Huckabee just admitted to cheating on his wife.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:38:28pm
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Cheechako  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:39:18pm

re: #417 BeachDem

It’s the town just to the E/SE of yours. The nickname is shovel-town.

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weave  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:39:27pm

Wow, this is the biggest horse shit I’ve read yet about the “real” reason Chaffetz quit…

A Reflective Perspective on Jason Chaffetz Announcement To Leave Congress…

I’ll try to paraphrase it…

He was a tea party guy
He was going to primary Hatch in ‘12
He was told not to, but we’ll give you chair of a nice committee
He didn’t, he got his committee
Trump won, Trump wanted to screw him so convinced Hatch not to retire
So he was betrayed, quitting, will come back and fuck them all I guess /shrug-who-knows

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Puss Power  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:39:46pm

re: #414 Skip Intro

I don’t. Like with Milo and Pharma Bro, the Republican club only invited her to try and provoke a riot.

Like any campus org, they can invite guest speakers, unvetted by anyone else. It’s the people who riot who are the problem.

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:40:23pm

Apocalypse Terminator-style watch:

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retired cynic  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:42:09pm

re: #423 teleskiguy

Apocalypse Terminator-style watch:

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wtf

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Single-handed sailor  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:45:02pm

re: #416 goddamnedfrank

Where design meets dumbfuckery: I wonder how many fingertips were lost before the manufacturer decided to dump these knives at $1.29 each on ebay.

I’ll stick with my Carson Flipper

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majii  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:46:00pm

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

@BernieSanders in Miami: “@realDonaldTrump did not win the election. The Democrats lost the election.”“

THIS is why I have not given one cent to the DNC since it permitted Sanders to run as a Democratic candidate last year. I keep receiving emails and snail mail from it, asking for donations. Nope, no, no way, no how. I still donate to individual Democrats, but not to the DNC. I’m pissed because I lived through the 1980 election and remember that some Dems fractured the party, and that led to Reagan being elected POTUS, and the rest is history. No way am I going to contribute to an organization whose leaders cannot see that Sanders is toxic to its brand. I’m not trying to censor him, but I am trying to convey a message to Perez and others running the DNC that it’s not exactly a great idea to have someone who openly declares he’s not a Democrat to speak for my party. If Sanders wants to run for POTUS in 2020, he should run as an independent. He should not be permitted to use Democratic infrastructure to do it the way he was able to do in 2016. I keep reading that his popularity is increasing, and every time I do, I’m left wondering who the pollsters are calling.

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BeachDem  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:47:32pm

re: #400 Eric The Fruit Bat

The latest Dead Pool Update, courtesy Kevin Drum:

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I seem to recall that K.T. McFarland was being fawned all over the right wing pundit class (Thomas Sowell, Cal Thomas and the other thinkers of wishing for the good old days)-oh, well….

Scaramucci is busy these days comparing Jared Kushner to Alexander Hamilton. Uh huh.

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danarchy  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:48:37pm

re: #425 Single-handed sailor

I’ll stick with my Carson Flipper

I sort of collect pocket knives, my Carson M16 is one of my favorites. Unfortunately the blade is too long to legally carry in most Massachusetts cities(fine in most towns though)

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retired cynic  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:48:50pm

re: #426 majii

I am SOOOO with you!

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Belafon  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:50:27pm

re: #398 makeitstop

Maybe they get those pesky protestors. Who wants to look at them?

/

“Sir, the citizens are revolting.”
“Yes, they are.”

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BeachDem  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:52:57pm

re: #420 Cheechako

OhXqyOnBL2Y3T21qG3Zopw4xPmGdzR13Mdr8S+SM/a+W7pAwL5PLsc6DEiQlGHhdPrjzkNpFwPrGf4ATdWTsBiRKcMsfy46c

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:54:34pm
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Romantic Heretic  Apr 19, 2017 • 7:59:59pm

re: #353 sagehen

But if you were downwind of a sacrificial pyramid it would be unpleasant.

Or if you were unlucky someone might end up wearing your skin.

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Jay C  Apr 19, 2017 • 8:00:44pm

re: #416 goddamnedfrank

Where design meets dumbfuckery: I wonder how many fingertips were lost before the manufacturer decided to dump these knives at $1.29 each on ebay.

eBay Special from the Darwin Cutlery! $1.29 not including tips….

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2017 • 8:02:12pm
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Cheechako  Apr 19, 2017 • 8:02:16pm

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 19, 2017 • 8:04:40pm

re: #416 goddamnedfrank

Youtube Video

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2017 • 8:05:53pm

re: #435 teleskiguy

Please refresh. I committed a cardinal sin of the English language by ending a sentence with a preposition, and there’s no way in hell I’d just let something like that go.

439
goddamnedfrank  Apr 19, 2017 • 8:06:10pm

re: #428 danarchy

I sort of collect pocket knives, my Carson M16 is one of my favorites. Unfortunately the blade is too long to legally carry in most Massachusetts cities(fine in most towns though)

My favorite knife for everyday carry is probably the Spyderco Manix 2 XL. It’s too big for Los Angeles but cops generally don’t fuck with me because I’m white.

440
Unshaken Defiance  Apr 19, 2017 • 8:09:55pm

re: #439 goddamnedfrank

My favorite knife for everyday carry is probably the Spyderco Manix 2 XL. It’s too big for Los Angeles but cops generally don’t fuck with me because I’m white.

I carry a Spyderco Police model. 3 7/8” long. Bought at the long defunct B&B gun store when a friend worked there.

441
retired cynic  Apr 19, 2017 • 8:10:26pm

re: #438 teleskiguy

Please refresh. I committed a cardinal sin of the English language by ending a sentence with a preposition, and there’s no way in hell I’d just let something like that go.

I heard one of the editors of Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary on Fresh Air today. She was good. She said the reason we have those rules (don’t end a sentence with a preposition and don’t split infinitives) is because those were rules in Latin that did not have the right sentence structure or words. She said it was perfectly legitimate to use them in English, because we do have those situations.

442
Belafon  Apr 19, 2017 • 8:10:42pm

re: #438 teleskiguy

Please refresh. I committed a cardinal sin of the English language by ending a sentence with a preposition, and there’s no way in hell I’d just let something like that go.

I would have used for instead of by in your original version. As for cardinal sins of the language, the only real sin is not being able to convey your meaning.

443
teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2017 • 8:12:04pm

re: #442 Belafon

I would have used for instead of by in your original version.

Dag nabbit, I was still caught! Harumph!

444
Belafon  Apr 19, 2017 • 8:12:15pm

The only rule of language I absolutely follow is no non-private member variables.

445
retired cynic  Apr 19, 2017 • 8:12:32pm

re: #441 retired cynic

It was Kory Stamper, and she has a new book out:

The Secret Life Of Dictionaries
Merriam-Webster lexicographer Kory Stamper talks about how words (like “f-bomb” or “bodice ripper”) are added to the dictionary, finding the first-known use of a word, and how English continues to evolve.

446
scottslemmons  Apr 19, 2017 • 8:21:36pm

re: #438 teleskiguy

Please refresh. I committed a cardinal sin of the English language by ending a sentence with a preposition, and there’s no way in hell I’d just let something like that go.

Oxford Dictionaries says you have not sinned.

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2017 • 8:22:23pm
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BeachDem  Apr 19, 2017 • 8:24:18pm

re: #436 Cheechako

WcnrBo7WGsUxUrQ4SnWhEmLhQTV/KZIj7tfMC8YQaUOt1XWYe7fwDOnC0NbyXodGOfa4e6FaIbVn8kwo+XUjrVQReozsfEzC8xWz7UVSpcd9wkcZPqFBkdNPRwTIvBN5oV1G20SljeHGf+c5hW0kP8zzp/eF+tQPWQH4f7RwtuOhgE+cfXaAnvZPoLGIQY7ngxL6D4ata5tkY2yIu+QGRF+ZrLDodI95q30IB7aVM92g06USaEH7OfrwqRdiq8s06LgHuKMNB2UjuBtu0Busl1wcArP2RdzZah/SmvqzSUlv7WaB5dWnnJz5WHgB057LdAB2rnyDfhwopHCOaUgDctfmgv2rztjmnY3i7yqqOC5HFuUm/ABMQXa0RIgVwjIkfF8CbTI7iZZO6FAX9PjzsrY2Zs5qVD6ghGZnrxwM/q+bOhQoVFcQBt/inTjSm3NxVztuoSF7O+vgFxkgmCUNUW6LqYdxt73kOJ69YnRXX/tvKi8DW9jCES8nPa5Dx3ZEctRU8eptkorSSs4gd3yPEDMJccrcjT9o2KNgKbEviy/1qNzm/fgs3WXSllgM14qldrePfIOEmR273wMWm26zpht5X3FY657VA6khMSPCLTlm8Ht5oKbDyY7QJoBlMAl5p9rJA7mQULCMB4n4gyBZnEpyywZfvmkd/d6gqqE9Uqg27budqOMLJnNy8KNXLSmakHGOVvXxF7rpraqX3I91/MqKO0YeuworZ17i4GkLtDW1Ibb1cgJ+4WFpfw3U9bir5PSGOyzePsuKvoI7FP70FL5s0z8QZtjyT64wY3I4CSywLaqjzajHUTFZbLK6aO6JfjzxJGGXJ+MBuRRy4latpEfZ1ndRwLuvXT9iLWa9RjXBVWptwXK498DGom+2K9lY2SYVuFowrbbXM/9nXgzXHiixvkcDlOUJdykTMo6QNvq4LGUH9jLcWzW0XyVhs0hCSg9s+KK3JlwoqMPxDYfXEyEMG8fSZvbLICqY4sLSZO+9wfzzmm0vaGEBDPEuDvT/cY6JnYGHexUALLa7hs/GohEeJ8bAPTRLnCc7zTA/4+4hLetx4SPkzJx62KLE8gLaIi+fkbVAWxuz1CV317GUZgunypCcqrh5ZPp3ZzMDLacgze0mU3cyHjWnUsT/e90XTRJ3Ez8bcSCWz13dTJBvQ0QxHDFtBTj0LKLrbDU9WvZ/1KghQiwtCKWAx3K6MfU2SfJhGvrpm/osmpEW23KyFg==

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Stanley Sea  Apr 19, 2017 • 8:32:34pm

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 19, 2017 • 8:38:32pm

re: #446 scottslemmons

Oxford Dictionaries says you have not sinned.

Never use a preposition to end a sentence with!
//

My understanding, based on 1 year of high school Latin back in 1970, was that in Latin the preposition and the verb are a single word, which you can’t split, and thus there’s no way to end a sentence with the preposition either.

Mind you, I might be full of shit.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 19, 2017 • 8:51:14pm

re: #438 teleskiguy

Please refresh. I committed a cardinal sin of the English language by ending a sentence with a preposition, and there’s no way in hell I’d just let something like that go.

Reminds me of a joke. A country boy from Texas has been lucky enough to be accepted at Harvard. He is naturally very bright but a little green, having seldom ventured farther than Lubbock or Amarillo.

On the first day of class, he is having trouble finding the library. He spots two upper classmen (recognizable by their sweaters and general air of superiority) and flags them down.
“‘Scuse me, fellers, can y’all tell me where the library’s at?”

“Of course, my good man,” the haughty senior answers, “but first, this is HARVARD, and here at HARVARD, we do not end a sentence with a preposition!”

The country boy pauses, then responds, “Okay, can you tell me where the library’s at, ASSHOLE?”

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2017 • 9:01:34pm

re: #451 Shiplord Kirel

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2017 • 9:14:42pm

re: #451 Shiplord Kirel

It’s comments like this, from old regulars at LGF, that make this place special.

With that said, I say a prayer for CuriousLurker and her family.*

*I pray to Ullr, the snow God, for obvious reasons

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austin_blue  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:58:02am

re: #335 Backwoods_Sleuth

My Medicare card haz arrived.

sigh…

We are all galloping to that trumpet…


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