Trump Horror, Day 90: Ted Nugent and Sarah Palin in the Oval Office

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Yes, seriously. The guy who wrote songs like “Jailbait,” crapped in his pants to dodge the draft, appeared numerous times on the white supremacist radio show Political Cesspool, and called for President Obama and Hillary Clinton to be executed.

Here he is with his wife Shemane, posing with his hat on in the Oval Office with our disgusting so-called president. And yes, that’s Sarah Palin and Kid Rock, too.

The feeling of being stuck in a prolonged nightmare is getting worse every day.

UPDATE at 4/20/17 11:00:00 am by Charles Johnson

And here’s this gang of creepy far right goons smirking in front of the portrait of Hillary Clinton. Absolutely revolting.

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324 comments

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 10:52:08am

It’s not often when Kid Rock is the least bothersome individual in an image.

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Kragar  Apr 20, 2017 • 10:53:11am

Its the White House. Take off your fucking hats, you fucking mouthbreathers.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 20, 2017 • 10:53:12am

re: #1 HappyWarrior

It’s not often when Kid Rock is the least bothersome individual in an image.

He’s the sane one in this group.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 20, 2017 • 10:53:34am

It’s too late. The Oval Office and all the furniture and wall trimmings and window treatments are coated with Trump, Nugent & Palin jizz.

The next occupants will have to burn the place to the ground.

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Kragar  Apr 20, 2017 • 10:54:09am
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Joe Bacon  Apr 20, 2017 • 10:55:40am

It’s a Hee Haw reunion in the Oval Office!

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 20, 2017 • 10:56:33am
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Bubblehead II  Apr 20, 2017 • 10:59:21am

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

It’s too late. The Oval Office and all the furniture and wall trimmings and window treatments are coated with Trump, Nugent & Palin jizz.

The next occupants will have to burn the place to the ground.

Wouldn’t be the first time that happened. Think we could interest the Brits in a encore performance?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 20, 2017 • 10:59:31am

re: #7 The Vicious Babushka

Hopefully there will be no paintings of Trump in the WH after he’s kicked out.

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Jay C  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:00:13am

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

It’s too late. The Oval Office and all the furniture and wall trimmings and window treatments are coated with Trump, Nugent & Palin jizz.

The next occupants will have to burn the place to the ground.

Naaah, a Truman-era-style gut-out and rebuild will do….

Unless, of course, the Trumps decide to “upgrade” the decor, then I guess it’s time to party like it’s 1814….

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Kragar  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:01:03am

re: #9 GlutenFreeJesus

Hopefully there will be no paintings of Trump in the WH after he’s kicked out.

The official Trump portrait will have him holding a card with his name on it, with both a front and side shot

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CongoJack  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:03:18am

re: #9 GlutenFreeJesus

Hopefully there will be no paintings of Trump in the WH after he’s kicked out.

Good question - do Presidential POS get to have their portraits up? Is there a Nixon portrait anywhere to be seen? This would be like the removal of iconography of King Tut’s father (Akhenaten) who changed the state religion, traditions, and the capital city and angered the priest class so much they killed him made his son Pharaoh (who then ordered his fathers statues destroyed).

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:04:42am

White trash coup d’etat.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:05:41am

A bunch of smirking has-beens destined for the ash heap of history posing in front of the portrait of a figure of actual importance.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:06:13am
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qubit2020  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:06:34am

I can’t even. I don’t know why this affected me worse than real world consequence stuff.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:07:55am
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:08:50am
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CongoJack  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:09:49am

re: #18 The Vicious Babushka

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lol - Keith - doing dogs work.

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wrenchwench  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:09:50am

re: #16 qubit2020

I can’t even. I don’t know why this affected me worse than real world consequence stuff.

It’s documentation of the source. Says, ‘It’s real,’ and ‘It’s going to keep coming.’

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Belafon  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:10:50am

Some of you were talking about what she’s wearing in the last thread. I couldn’t see the picture at the time, but when I see it now, it’s kind of like what I see women wear, some around her age, who want to dress MILF without being too showy. The best description would be “country casual” for women. If the mayor wore it, it would be because the town is really small.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:12:00am

re: #17 The Vicious Babushka

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He must REALLY want to spend more time with his family/explore other opportunities!

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darthstar  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:13:05am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:13:35am

First, Josh is having entirely too much fun with this new Magic Marker stuff (two weeks ago, he discovered humorous GIFs)

Second, this must be Trump’s way of making us respected around the world again.

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darthstar  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:13:50am

I was so put off by the Trump pic with that white trash I didn’t know how to react.

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:13:54am

re: #22 Blind Frog Belly White

He must REALLY want to spend more time with his family/explore other opportunities!

He’s trying like hell to get out of the way of something.

Now…is it personal, or is he trying to wash that Trump stank off?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:14:11am

re: #23 darthstar

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Official Visit? In what Official Capacity?

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darthstar  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:14:20am

re: #25 darthstar

I was so put off by the Trump pic with that white trash I didn’t know how to react.

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Thanks to Gus for putting it in perspective.

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darthstar  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:14:55am

re: #27 Blind Frog Belly White

Official Visit? In what Official Capacity?

FLOTUS.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:15:57am

This thread contains a very weird conspiracy theory. Proceed with extreme caution.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:16:13am

re: #16 qubit2020

I can’t even. I don’t know why this affected me worse than real world consequence stuff.

It shows that NOTHING is safe from their vulgar vandalism and crass, crude disrespect. I think that is why I find it bugging me a lot, too.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:16:35am

re: #29 darthstar

FLOTUS.

But, you know, I keep seeing people who get all bent out of shape if Chelsea Clinton gets any attention.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:17:27am

re: #32 Blind Frog Belly White

But, you know, I keep seeing people who get all bent out of shape if Chelsea Clinton gets any attention.

Hillary Clinton Derangement Syndrome is easily transferable to Chelsea.

/

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darthstar  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:19:04am

re: #32 Blind Frog Belly White

But, you know, I keep seeing people who get all bent out of shape if Chelsea Clinton gets any attention.

I’ll pay attention to her when she runs for office, if ever. Until then she’s just another private citizen.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:19:09am

The comrades nail it:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:19:27am

re: #31 Jebediah, RBG

It shows that NOTHING is safe from their vulgar vandalism and crass, crude disrespect. I think that is why I find it bugging me a lot, too.

This is just about what I expected. Crass vulgarianism, celebrity photo ops for folks whose celebrity has dwindled to ‘Celebrity Boxing’ levels, etc.

What I did NOT expect was how fast all of this would be normalized. I don’t know how we as a country come back from this.

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:20:18am

The same culture police who complained about how certain things are different (Palin, Nugent, etc.) ignore that their preferred era (1950s) would have demanded that she wear a skirt and the hats off inside, let alone inside the White House.

Oh, and proper behavior and decorum throughout the visit. Not acting like 2 year olds in front of a picture of former First Lady Clinton.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:20:40am

re: #36 Blind Frog Belly White

This is just about what I expected. Crass vulgarianism, celebrity photo ops for folks whose celebrity has dwindled to ‘Celebrity Boxing’ levels, etc.

What I did NOT expect was how fast all of this would be normalized. I don’t know how we as a country come back from this.

My suggestion is President Michelle Obama.

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Targetpractice  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:20:57am

I’m skeptical that Chaffetz is gonna drop out of office tomorrow, let alone in the near future. Because if he does, then it’s a lot more serious than just “I’m thinking about running for another office.” It’s “They’ve found the pile of dead hookers in my closet.”

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:21:41am

Can I rant about Sarah Palin’s attire?

It is said that Ronald Reagan never took off his suitcoat, no matter how hot it could be in the Oval Office. —because he respected the office that much! He was POTUS.

Sarah, bare-shouldered, denim skirt. Glad she is comfortable.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:22:32am

Yeah, the hats bother me too.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:24:19am

re: #37 lawhawk

The same culture police who complained about how certain things are different (Palin, Nugent, etc.) ignore that their preferred era (1950s) would have demanded that she wear a skirt and the hats off inside, let alone inside the White House.

Oh, and proper behavior and decorum throughout the visit. Not acting like 2 year olds in front of a picture of former First Lady Clinton.

The 1950s would also see Nugent’s and Kid Rock’s music banned.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:24:21am

re: #40 Birth Control Works

Can I rant about Sarah Palin’s attire?

It is said that Ronald Reagan never took off his suitcoat, no matter how hot it could be in the Oval Office. —because he respected the office that much! He was POTUS.

Sarah, bare-shouldered, denim skirt. Glad she is comfortable.

Trump never removes his suitcoat (unless he’s golfing), because he thinks he looks fat in shirtsleeves.

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darthstar  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:24:26am

re: #40 Birth Control Works

Can I rant about Sarah Palin’s attire?

It is said that Ronald Reagan never took off his suitcoat, no matter how hot it could be in the Oval Office. —because he respected the office that much! He was POTUS.

Sarah, bare-shouldered, denim skirt. Glad she is comfortable.

I’ll bet they left a ring in the oval office (bathtub, not jewelry)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:24:51am

re: #40 Birth Control Works

Can I rant about Sarah Palin’s attire?

It is said that Ronald Reagan never took off his suitcoat, no matter how hot it could be in the Oval Office. —because he respected the office that much! He was POTUS.

Sarah, bare-shouldered, denim skirt. Glad she is comfortable.

It may have been said, but it wasn’t actually true.

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darthstar  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:25:04am

re: #43 The Vicious Babushka

Trump never removes his suitcoat (unless he’s golfing), because he thinks he looks fat in shirtsleeves.

ftfy

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:25:17am

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:25:47am

re: #45 Blind Frog Belly White

It may have been said, but it wasn’t actually true.

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excellent.

Still, no rolled-up shirt sleeves.

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wrenchwench  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:26:13am

I just wanna say I still don’t like the term ‘trailer trash’. Over 40% of homes in New Mexico are trailers ‘Manufactured Homes.’ And one of my Grammas spent her last years in a ‘trailer park’ in Portage, WI. She was my nice Gramma.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:27:53am

re: #49 wrenchwench

I just wanna say I still don’t like the term ‘trailer trash’. Over 40% of homes in New Mexico are trailers ‘Manufactured Homes.’ And one of my Grammas spent her last years in a ‘trailer park’ in Portage, WI. She was my nice Gramma.

I try not to use the term white trash because one of my cousins has been called it before by another close family member and I know how hurtful the term it is too. Palin, Rock, and Nugent are trashy people and they would be regardless.

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b.d.  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:28:29am

re: #35 Shiplord Kirel

The comrades nail it:

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Shouldn’t you take off your f*cking hat when you go inside the White House? How about the Oval Office?

Disrespectful dopes.

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Kragar  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:28:49am
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Eventual Carrion  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:30:04am

re: #49 wrenchwench

I just wanna say I still don’t like the term ‘trailer trash’. Over 40% of homes in New Mexico are trailers ‘Manufactured Homes.’ And one of my Grammas spent her last years in a ‘trailer park’ in Portage, WI. She was my nice Gramma.

Yeah, but the term “lower than whale shit at the bottom of the ocean wastes of skin, oxygen and valuable resources” is such a mouth full.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:30:15am

re: #50 HappyWarrior

I try not to use the term white trash because one of my cousins has been called it before by another close family member and I know how hurtful the term it is too. Palin, Rock, and Nugent are trashy people and they would be regardless.

Racist trash, as opposed to, I suppose, people with vulgar taste who aren’t racist.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:30:22am

re: #36 Blind Frog Belly White

This is just about what I expected. Crass vulgarianism, celebrity photo ops for folks whose celebrity has dwindled to ‘Celebrity Boxing’ levels, etc.

What I did NOT expect was how fast all of this would be normalized. I don’t know how we as a country come back from this.

He’s bored to tears at night & invites people - ANY people to show around his new house.

It is so fucking gross.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:30:36am

re: #52 Kragar

What the hell is that and where can I find the full novel?

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:30:49am

re: #43 The Vicious Babushka

Trump never removes his suitcoat (unless he’s golfing), because he thinks he looks fat in shirtsleeves.

Because he KNOWS he looks fat.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:30:50am

re: #51 b.d.

Shouldn’t you take off your f*cking hat when you go inside the White House? How about the Oval Office?

Disrespectful dopes.

The same people who will defend these yahoos for being ‘regular, REAL Americans!’ for wearing hats in the Oval goddam Office were the first to blast Obama for putting his feet on the desk or wearing shirtsleeves.

But you see, it’s okay because THESE people are white.

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ObserverArt  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:31:30am

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

It’s too late. The Oval Office and all the furniture and wall trimmings and window treatments are coated with Trump, Nugent & Palin jizz.

The next occupants will have to burn the place to the ground.

And don’t forget the cars on blocks, old refrigerators and stoves and stacks of worn tires out back. All will need to be removed and then the rat baits put in place to kill off the vermin.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:31:36am

re: #57 Jebediah, RBG

Because he KNOWS he looks fat.

And it ain’t gonna get any better with all the stress of the job and the free food.

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:31:50am

re: #45 Blind Frog Belly White

politifact.com

He was more formal than most, but he would wear short sleeves or even track suits when no official business occurring, or on weekends including when he’d do his weekend radio addresses.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:32:17am

re: #57 Jebediah, RBG

Because he KNOWS he looks fat.

That would imply some level of self awareness. By keeping his ill-fitting suitcoat on, he can DENY that he’s fat.

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Kragar  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:33:17am

re: #56 Colère Tueur de Lapin

What the hell is that and where can I find the full novel?

I’ve got to get back to writing my book sometime

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:33:18am
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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:35:25am

re: #62 The Vicious Babushka

That would imply some level of self awareness. By keeping his ill-fitting suitcoat on, he can DENY that he’s fat.

I think that he thinks that actually works and that people see him as a hot, hot hunk.

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Kragar  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:35:44am
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:35:58am

re: #65 Jebediah, RBG

I think that he thinks that actually works and that people see him as a hot, hot hunk.

He thinks his hair looks good.

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ObserverArt  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:36:04am

re: #17 The Vicious Babushka

Charles Clymer ✔ @cmclymer
Report: Jason Chaffetz expected to resign as early as tomorrow
1:47 PM - 20 Apr 2017
102 102 Retweets 255 255 likes

Well, I missed my prediction that Bannon would be gone at the end of last week.

But I’ll gladly take Chaffetz flaming out and crashing this week.

Hopefully what ever is the cause of him leaving it is catching and other GOP snakes are caught up in it too.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:36:16am

re: #61 lawhawk

politifact.com

He was more formal than most, but he would wear short sleeves or even track suits when no official business occurring, or on weekends including when he’d do his weekend radio addresses.

Yeah, but Zombie Reagan never entered the Oval Office in anything less than White Tie And Tails.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:36:40am
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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:37:33am

Trump Just Announced Where He’ll Spend The Summer, And It’s Not Mar-A-Lago

Trump’s frequent visits to Mar-a-Lago have been a constant source of consternation in Washington as Trump’s spending has skyrocketed to unprecedented levels. The good news is that, as summer approaches, Trump will no longer travel down to West Palm Beach to stay at his Florida resort. The bad news is that Trump will start traveling to Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey.

Mar-a-Lago is set to close for the summer, per usual, forcing the President to look to his other properties for his weekly vacation. Trump has faced calls from the left - and even the right - to conduct business at the White House, as opposed to pilfering millions of dollars in government funds to travel every weekend.

Bedminster residents are understandably anxious. Nick Strakhov, a resident of the town, said, “We’re kind of apprehensive, I guess you could say… if it gets to be tedious, we might start to complain.”

Man really doesn’t understand the difference between a POTUS and a KING.

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Bubblehead II  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:38:05am

re: #49 wrenchwench

I just wanna say I still don’t like the term ‘trailer trash’. Over 40% of homes in New Mexico are trailers ‘Manufactured Homes.’ And one of my Grammas spent her last years in a ‘trailer park’ in Portage, WI. She was my nice Gramma.

Thank you. The park I live in is well maintained and many of the residents are in their eighties or older.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:38:23am

re: #53 Eventual Carrion

Yeah, but the term “lower than whale shit at the bottom of the ocean wastes of skin, oxygen and valuable resources” is such a mouth full.

Could just say “trash”.

Grifters?

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:38:26am

re: #67 The Vicious Babushka

He thinks his hair looks good.

If he were ever cursed with the gift of honest self-awareness I think he would instantly dissolve into a literal puddle of rage, self-loathing, and pissy-smelling vinegar.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:38:35am

re: #71 Birth Control Works

Trump Just Announced Where He’ll Spend The Summer, And It’s Not Mar-A-Lago

Man really doesn’t understand the difference between a POTUS and a KING.

Why should he? He is getting away with it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:38:42am
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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:39:07am

re: #72 Bubblehead II

Thank you. The park I live in is well maintained and many of the residents are in their eighties or older.

There are some very nice trailers and trailer parks.

Some of those double-wides are amazing.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:39:43am

aH!

“Stadium Trash”

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:40:23am

Trump Tower and Mar-A-Lago are just quintillionduple wides.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:40:24am

re: #76 The Vicious Babushka

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And all so that Paul Ryan can take from the poor to give to the rich.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:40:32am

re: #75 The Vicious Babushka

Why should he? He is getting away with it.

I dunno, I payed attention (paid?) during social studies class in grade school. I kinda would like to think my POTUS did too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:40:38am
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CongoJack  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:40:41am

re: #76 The Vicious Babushka

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Called it either earlier this week or last week. Mitch and Ryan are in on this as well (why was Mitch so confident that an R would be in the WH during the Supreme Court nomination of Garland). The R party leadership was in on it… this is going to get nasty.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:41:25am

re: #81 Birth Control Works

I dunno, I payed attention (paid?) during social studies class in grade school. I kinda would like to think my POTUS did too.

LOL, nope, this whole time he is thinking HAHAHA WHAT CAN I STEAL NOW? NOBODY IS STOPPING ME AT ALL!!! I WILL STEAL MORE!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:41:40am

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That island is one of our states, you pathetic cotton-mouthed asshole.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:42:05am

Grifters on the Public Dole?

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:42:30am

re: #84 The Vicious Babushka

LOL, nope, this whole time he is thinking HAHAHA WHAT CAN I STEAL NOW? NOBODY IS STOPPING ME AT ALL!!! I WILL STEAL MORE!

think he is cleaning-out the mini-bar?

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allegro  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:42:37am

re: #71 Birth Control Works

Trump Just Announced Where He’ll Spend The Summer, And It’s Not Mar-A-Lago

Man really doesn’t understand the difference between a POTUS and a KING.

He’s certainly avoiding his home and family.

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Kragar  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:42:54am
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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:43:14am

re: #88 allegro

He’s certainly avoiding his home and family.

I thought they met him wherever . .

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Belafon  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:43:17am

re: #76 The Vicious Babushka

And it’s not the party Clancy would have predicted.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:44:31am

I CAN STEAL ALL THE THINGS BECAUSE NOBODY WILL STOP ME!!!!! I CAN STEAL YUUGE &
BIGLY!!!!1!!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:46:24am

re: #91 Belafon

And it’s not the party Clancy would have predicted.

It does make me wonder what he would have thought of Trump and the right in general’s embrace of Putin and Russia. I mean Clancy was right wing but I doubt he would think much of the Russia love.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:46:38am

I even dress for church —on the rare occassions I go (weddings, funerals).

I can’t stand the idea of wearing jeans to church.

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wrenchwench  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:46:42am

And don’t get me started on ‘the van down by the river’.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:47:00am

re: #91 Belafon

And it’s not the party Clancy would have predicted.

Once you understand that the only core principle of the GOP is that the GOP deserves more power, it all makes sense.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:47:06am

re: #89 Kragar

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And if you average out the grades, it’s still shit.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:48:19am

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:48:40am

Neal Degrasse Tyson —Science in America

Science in America - Neil deGrasse Tyson

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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:49:38am

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s talking about Hawaii.

my dog.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:50:27am

GIC

Grifter-in-Chief

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wrenchwench  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:50:47am

re: #100 Stanley Sea

He’s talking about Hawaii.

my dog.

‘Island trash.’

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:51:05am

re: #94 Birth Control Works

I even dress for church —on the rare occassions I go (weddings, funerals).

I can’t stand the idea of wearing jeans to church.

In my family, we dressed up for church. Funny thing - when my older siblings were little, before I was even born, my Mom used to get the get the other 3 kids dressed and primped before starting on my second oldest brother. It didn’t matter. As soon as she was done with him, he looked like he’d slept in his clothes before rolling in the dirt.

It’s still like that. My oldest brother looks dressed to the nines in a T shirt and shorts. The second one wearing a tailored suit looks like a panhandler.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:51:30am

Well if you know why the pedantic bullshit of the Dave Rubins of the world pisses me off. “Poor” Bill O’Reilly is going to get 25 million bucks as part of his exit deal with FNC.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:51:48am

That feeling when the server’s control panel automatically updates things you didn’t want to automatically update. Like MySQL and phpmyadmin. Now I’ve got some headaches to deal with.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:52:09am

re: #100 Stanley Sea

He’s talking about Hawaii.

my dog.

“Look, we brought Hawaii into our greatest nation that we’re making greater again, annexed it, made it a state, so we could have a naval base out there, not to give the people who live there any say in anything, OK?”

/

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:52:32am

re: #89 Kragar

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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:52:39am
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Joe Bacon  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:52:51am

re: #89 Kragar

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I wouldn’t even give that asshole a “Z”!

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steve_davis  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:52:51am

re: #44 darthstar

I’ll bet they left a ring in the oval office (bathtub, not jewelry)

I’ll bet Sara Palin still has somebody’s high-school ring in her oval office.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:53:38am
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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:53:39am

re: #107 Birth Control Works

Bill O’Reilly Payout Could Be as High as $25 Million

Yesterday, I commented he’d end up with a golden parachute.

Today, the flaps have opened, and yes, he’s getting a $25 million payout.

Some punishment. He gets to go off somewhere else and continue being a serial predator.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:54:18am

re: #94 Birth Control Works

I even dress for church —on the rare occassions I go (weddings, funerals).

I can’t stand the idea of wearing jeans to church.

I used to go to shul every week, in high heels and a big platter hat. I only go now for yizkor (memorial service for parents, 3 times a year) and I will wear something that’s nicer than what I wear to work. No more high heels, tho.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:54:30am

re: #107 Birth Control Works

Bill O’Reilly Payout Could Be as High as $25 Million

Must be nice.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:55:05am

re: #112 Birth Control Works

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Smoke enough, and you will find yourself lacking the motivation to go find other, more dangerous drugs.
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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:55:20am

Think 2017 Individual Tax bills will reflect that?

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Kragar  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:57:13am
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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:57:17am

Grifters:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:57:50am

re: #107 Birth Control Works

Bill O’Reilly Payout Could Be as High as $25 Million

This being a nice guy isn’t working out for me financially. Clearly the trick is to be an asshole to everyone, but especially to women.
//

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:58:17am

re: #117 Birth Control Works

Nope, because there’s no way to tell what money was saved.

How much money is saved by allowing coal mines to resume polluting waterways? Sure, it might save the mine operators some amount of money not having to process waste before it leaves the mine, but what about the cost to everyone downstream who’ll have higher health costs from exposure to contaminants?

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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:58:17am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:59:07am

re: #121 lawhawk

Nope, because there’s no way to tell what money was saved.

How much money is saved by allowing coal mines to resume polluting waterways? Sure, it might save the mine operators some amount of money not having to process waste before it leaves the mine, but what about the cost to everyone downstream who’ll have higher health costs from exposure to contaminants?

Silly lawhawk! The mine operators are the only ones who count!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:59:09am
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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:59:12am

Fascism is us

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:00:17pm

re: #118 Kragar

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Can we ignore an AG from a backwater shithole?

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Kragar  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:00:29pm

re: #117 Birth Control Works

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Belafon  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:00:30pm

re: #117 Birth Control Works

Think 2017 Individual Tax bills will reflect that?

Which means that the American people will be saddled with at least $172B in costs incurred because of the end of those regulations.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:01:08pm
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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:03:07pm

I’d rather they settle it with a dance off:

South and North Korea Dance Off Video

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:04:00pm

“Bold, Unpredictable Foreign Policy” is a super-euphemistic way of saying ‘Clueless and Ad Hoc”. Plus it’s not only keeping ‘global rivals’ off balance. It’s keeping ALLIES off balance.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:04:22pm

re: #130 lawhawk

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I’d rather they settle it with a dance off:

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“This is my angry face.”

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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:04:42pm

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

It’s too late. The Oval Office and all the furniture and wall trimmings and window treatments are coated with Trump, Nugent & Palin jizz.

The next occupants will have to burn the place to the ground.

The British have experience with this. Perhaps Trump can ask when Queen when he’s taking his horsey ride.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:08:00pm

re: #121 lawhawk

Nope, because there’s no way to tell what money was saved.

How much money is saved by allowing coal mines to resume polluting waterways? Sure, it might save the mine operators some amount of money not having to process waste before it leaves the mine, but what about the cost to everyone downstream who’ll have higher health costs from exposure to contaminants?

So, the funds for those line items will just be shifted to Trumps Travel expenses?

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Sir John Barron  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:10:50pm

re: #130 lawhawk

Bonus ridiculousnss: NorKorea chooses very tallest soldiers to stand guard at DMZ, and flies gigantic flags, as similar display of “resolve”

— James Fallows

Man, say what you want about his domestic policies, but NK’s dictator sure knows how to display resolve! Hey, Steve Jared, make sure we have the tallest soldiers guarding my WH and the yuuugest flags here in my House. This is great stuff!

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:15:57pm

re: #135 Sir John Barron

Man, say what you want about his domestic policies, but NK’s dictator sure knows how to display resolve! Hey, Steve Jared, make sure we have the tallest soldiers guarding my WH and the yuuugest flags here in my House. This is great stuff!

The US does something similar, where it requires certain physical stature of those guarding the Tomb of the Unknowns.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:16:23pm

re: #135 Sir John Barron

Man, say what you want about his domestic policies, but NK’s dictator sure knows how to display resolve! Hey, Steve Jared, make sure we have the tallest soldiers guarding my WH and the yuuugest flags here in my House. This is great stuff!

IIRC, the people on the other side of the DMZ are mostly military.

I doubt they looked twice at Pence.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:19:22pm

$86B

—does he owe Russia that much?
—refurbish the WH?
—spend on Travel?
—Pay down the National Debt? (bwhaaa)
—update the Military?
—raises to rank n’ file fed employees?

Really, where is this money going to be re-directed?

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:19:48pm

re: #113 lawhawk

Yesterday, I commented he’d end up with a golden parachute.

Today, the flaps have opened, and yes, he’s getting a $25 million payout.

Some punishment. He gets to go off somewhere else and continue being a serial predator.

$25 M is a vacation for him.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:19:49pm

re: #120 Blind Frog Belly White

This being a nice guy isn’t working out for me financially. Clearly the trick is to be an asshole to everyone, but especially to women.
//

It’s a shame that the Tiller Family can’t get a nice slice of that!

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danarchy  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:21:59pm

re: #51 b.d.

Shouldn’t you take off your f*cking hat when you go inside the White House? How about the Oval Office?

Disrespectful dopes.

I just want to go on record and say that I despise this particular piece of etiquette. I like wearing a hat. Taking it off means I end up walking around with hat head, and then I either have to walk around carrying my hat or set it somewhere where I will invariably forget it when I leave. Nobody has ever been able to give me a satisfactory explanation for why wearing a hat inside should be improper other than someone a long time ago said so.

A lot of etiquette makes sense, a lot of it just seems like rules people made up so when other people don’t follow them they can make them feel inferior.

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DuckDharma  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:22:17pm

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Research”

Alex Jones goes CRAZY on Joe Rogan Experience #911

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:24:05pm

re: #141 danarchy

Hats aren’t the essential article of clothing they once were but are still worn by both sexes for fashion and for function. Knowing when to remove a hat is as important as wearing the right hat for the occasion. If you were a medieval knight who failed to remove his helmet or lift his visor and identify himself the consequences could be fatal. Throughout history hats identified social standing and removing a hat was a gesture of respect. In the “old days,” men took off their hats in Christian churches, when they entered someone’s home, when greeting a boss, and always in the presence of a lady. Ladies were entirely exempt from “hat rules,” wearing them whenever and where ever they wished. While some of these customs are now historical footnotes, even in today’s casual culture men and women still remove their hats as a sign of respect. Cancer patients are exempt from hat rules. They may keep their hats or caps on at all times if they wish. Here’s when it’s fine to wear your hat and when it’s not:

As most things like this, I have a feeling there is a practical reason. Ceilings were rather low in olden times —one would have to take off a hat to stand-up straight?

One couldn’t be taller than the King —and a hat might make one so?

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:26:17pm
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petesh  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:28:16pm

re: #8 Bubblehead II

Wouldn’t be the first time that happened. Think we could interest the Brits in a encore performance?

Well, Alex Cockburn (who used to boast that his ancestor burned the joint) has left us, possibly for a less-bad place; but his brothers Andrew and Patrick are still around. Perhaps they’d oblige?

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:28:32pm
The gesture of removing ones hat, headdress or helmet dates back to ancient times — however, the exact date of origin is not known. Knights removed helmets in the presence of a king as a display of vulnerability and trust that the king would not kill them. Knights also removed helmets in church as an expression of security in one’s sanctuary. Knights displayed chivalry by removing headpieces in the presence of a lady. The practice of removing ones headdress evolved to represent a show of respect and courtesy in various situations — including the removal of the hat when entering a home, courtroom, restaurant or church.

Also, people almost always wore a head covering —especially in winter. Only the most wealthy could actually have a constructed hat. Other’s wore scarves or whatever. In harsh weather, most of the face would be covered —as everyone walked or rode horses and were out in the elements.

Take headcovering off might be akin to the full hijab today —People like to see other’s eyes.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:29:41pm

re: #144 FormerDirtDart

So, it sounds like the AG is suggesting that because the judge is in Hawaii, that he/she should have a special experience and knowledge of terrorism and that this special experience/knowledge should influence the judge’s decision.

I thought decisions were supposed to be based on Law and not feelings or mushy things like experience.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:29:54pm

re: #140 Joe Bacon

It’s a shame that the Tiller Family can’t get a nice slice of that!

I think he’ll be facing a few civil suits in the future.

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bratwurst  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:32:25pm
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wrenchwench  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:32:33pm

Catholics come out against Big Soda! (After a post-Lenten outburst, or something.)

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:32:47pm

Tucker Carlson is the replacement.

excuse me, I have to go to the ladies room for a moment.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:36:25pm
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Jay C  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:38:03pm

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

WTH??? You mean all this time I’ve been getting my “Official Paid Protestor” checks from the Soros Conspiracy Funds, and only now I find out I could have been getting some extra-strength weed from them, too?

Man, I’ve got to start reading more of the fine print on those Sinister Global Conspiracy sign-up forms….

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:38:13pm

DEVELOPING: One police officer killed, another wounded in Paris shooting

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DodgerFan1988  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:38:34pm

“[A]partheid isn’t that cut-and-dry. All men are not created equal.”
“The preponderance of South Africa is a different breed of man. I mean that with no disrespect. I say that with great respect. I love them because I’m one of them. They are still people of the earth, but they are different. They still put bones in their noses, they still walk around naked, they wipe their butts with their hands.” - Ted Nuggent (1990)

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danarchy  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:40:49pm

While the knight thing removing their helmets or lifting their visors to identify themselves is interesting, it hardly seems applicable. I will certainly remove my ski mask when entering someones home. The hat thing still seems completely arbitrary, like if someone important a few hundred years ago had decided that taking your hat off was a sign of disrespect then we would have a completely opposite convention.

It isn’t like don’t speak with your mouth full which just makes sense convention or not.

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:43:15pm

re: #144 FormerDirtDart

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Jay C  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:43:27pm

re: #155 DodgerFan1988

“I love them because I’m one of them. They are still people of the earth, but they are different. They still put bones in their noses, they still walk around naked, they wipe their butts with their hands.”

So enough about your family, Ted, what does that have to do with South Africa?

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:44:18pm

re: #153 Jay C

He’s smoking weed and thinks that this will make the court take him more sympathetically?

*facepalm*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:45:38pm
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stpaulbear  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:45:52pm

re: #139 Birth Control Works

$25 M is a vacation for him.

Yep. He’s already got more money than he can ever spend. It’s just going to become part of the inheritance to his two children who decided that they couldn’t stand to live with him after his divorce. The mom got full custody.

He’s like Trump. The only people who want to hang out with him are paid to do it. Vacations must be so much fun…

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wrenchwench  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:46:17pm

I’d vote for this guy. Look how big his hands are! Plus, the music. It is beautiful.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:50:22pm

Funny. This “island” was the reason we entered WWII. But now? Oh they are irrelevant.

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bratwurst  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:51:35pm

In honor of the demise of The Factor, I will share my Billo image library items one last time. First we have his classic take on Sandy Hook…forget giving a disturbed person access to ridiculously powerful weapons, lets blame teh interwebs!

Next, Bill condemns the POTUS for promoting Obamacare with Zach Galifianakis in a “Funny or Die” video.

Finally, we have an ultra-rare moment of prescience from a man mostly known for a shocking lack of self-awareness.

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:51:40pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:51:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:52:40pm

re: #155 DodgerFan1988

“[A]partheid isn’t that cut-and-dry. All men are not created equal.”
“The preponderance of South Africa is a different breed of man. I mean that with no disrespect. I say that with great respect. I love them because I’m one of them. They are still people of the earth, but they are different. They still put bones in their noses, they still walk around naked, they wipe their butts with their hands.” - Ted Nuggent (1990)

Such a racist dipshit.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:53:15pm

Thanks to some applied science, hybridization etc., marijuana today is typically much stronger than it used to be.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:54:27pm

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It really is pathetic how Republicans think they can attack the judiciary like that. Good for the Senator for standing up for hte judge and his state.

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Bubblehead II  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:55:05pm

Wonder how long this is going to last.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:56:21pm

re: #170 Bubblehead II

Wonder how long this is going to last.

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No one’s afraid of you Roger. You’re nothing but an old Nixon hack.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:57:34pm

And it wasn’t just the judge in Hawaii that ruled against Trump’s immigration EO, a Bush appointee in Washington state did too but that shouldn’t matter. Hawaii is a state and judges residing there are as American as Jeff Sessions’ wrinkly southern fried ass is.

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b.d.  Apr 20, 2017 • 12:58:47pm

re: #153 Jay C

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WTH??? You mean all this time I’ve been getting my “Official Paid Protestor” checks from the Soros Conspiracy Funds, and only now I find out I could have been getting some extra-strength weed from them, too?

Man, I’ve got to start reading more of the fine print on those Sinister Global Conspiracy sign-up forms….

The stub part of our Soros checks have been made out of rolling paper for quite a while now…

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:02:34pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

And a Trump hack too.

The air of corruption and shady cronyism is strong with him.

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wrenchwench  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:05:22pm

re: #166 goddamnedfrank

[Bernie Sanders, entranced, gazes deep into van Gogh’s The Starry Night, slowly mutters “I am the Alpha and the Omega.”]

…while scratching both ears.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:06:36pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:11:59pm
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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:13:20pm

Addled

Trump gives a shout out to Pavarotti, calls him “a good friend of mine”.

Pavarotti died 10 years ago in 2007

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:14:00pm

re: #177 goddamnedfrank

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Sessions may as well said that. Really, where the judge is from is completely irrelevant. The man is a United States federal judge.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:14:08pm
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Kragar  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:14:14pm
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Belafon  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:18:22pm

re: #181 Kragar

That’s basically what Tillerson said.

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ObserverArt  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:19:16pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

And it wasn’t just the judge in Hawaii that ruled against Trump’s immigration EO, a Bush appointee in Washington state did too but that shouldn’t matter. Hawaii is a state and judges residing there are as American as Jeff Sessions’ wrinkly southern fried ass is.

Let’s take a vote.

How many want to vacation in Hawaii?

How many want to vacation in Alabama?

That’s what I thought.

(Pardons to Decatur Deb and any other Alabama lizards…but I bet he(they) would vacation in Hawaii too if given the choice/opportunity)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:20:25pm

re: #183 ObserverArt

Let’s take a vote.

How many want to vacation in Hawaii?

How many want to vacation in Alabama?

That’s what I thought.

(Pardons to Decatur Deb and any other Alabama lizards…but I bet he(they) would vacation in Hawaii too if given the choice/opportunity)

Well I’d rather vacation in Tahiti over Bama too heh but I get your point. It’s just stupid for Sessions to attack the fact that the judge is based out of Hawaii to imply that his judgment is invalid.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:22:04pm

It shows that Deb is here, but is he? I have something for him.

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Belafon  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:22:07pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

And it wasn’t just the judge in Hawaii that ruled against Trump’s immigration EO, a Bush appointee in Washington state did too but that shouldn’t matter. Hawaii is a state and judges residing there are as American as Jeff Sessions’ wrinkly southern fried ass is.

This all boils down to “Someone is against me. I can’t be wrong, so there must be something wrong with them.” I think the term is ad hominem.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:22:31pm

Evening Lizardim.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:23:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:23:29pm

re: #188 FormerDirtDart

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That’s not fair. Steve-O is a decent guy.

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Skip Intro  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:24:27pm
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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:25:02pm

re: #181 Kragar

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:26:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:26:48pm

re: #192 FormerDirtDart

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You said that about your previous plan, you dolt.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:27:13pm

re: #183 ObserverArt

Let’s take a vote.

How many want to vacation in Hawaii?

How many want to vacation in Alabama?

That’s what I thought.

Depends on my vacation budget. If it’s over $5K per person per week then Hawaii, less than that and I might roll the dice on an Alabama adventure.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:27:27pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

You said that about your previous plan, you dolt.

The more he repeats it, the more it becomes true.

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Bubblehead II  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:28:11pm

re: #183 ObserverArt

Let’s take a vote.

How many want to vacation in Hawaii?

How many want to vacation in Alabama?

That’s what I thought.

(Pardons to Decatur Deb and any other Alabama lizards…but I bet he(they) would vacation in Hawaii too if given the choice/opportunity)

Been to Hawaii, been to Alabama. Now Antarctica on the other hand is on my bucket list. Tried to volunteer for operation deep freeze but was turned down because I was submarine qualified.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:29:56pm

re: #196 Bubblehead II

Been to Hawaii, been to Alabama. Now Antarctica on the other hand is on my bucket list. Tried to volunteer for operation deep freeze but was turned down because I was submarine qualified.

Lady who grooms my dogs went to Antarctica. Not on my places to go. I have Thailand and South America on my bucket list. I’m hoping my brother plans a bio extended family trip eventually to his wife’s home nation of Peru one day. Would love to see Machu Picchu.

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darthstar  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:30:15pm

re: #149 bratwurst

Needs more Duck Dynasty.

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freetoken  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:31:01pm

re: #198 darthstar

Needs more Duck Dynasty.

And Duggars. There should be enough to fill every free space in the image.

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:32:02pm

re: #192 FormerDirtDart

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darthstar  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:32:20pm

re: #199 freetoken

And Duggars. There should be enough to fill every free space in the image.

The girls are too old.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:35:52pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

Let’s be honest.

Trump describes everything in those terms. Defense policy, foreign policy, marital relations, dinner.

It’s all the same snake oil peddler/L Ron Hubbard bullshit. It’s the BEST until it can’t be denied it isn’t…at which point, somebody else fucked up and he had nothing to do with it.

Know how they say success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan? Donald Trump could have Failure spring from his forehead, like Athena from Zeus…and 45 would immediately announce that clearly this shit was somebody else’s doing.

It will never be different. A best it will be mitigated by the slightly more savvy members of his cadre…but let’s face it, the “can’t fail, somebody* fucked us” is the operating mode of all the cultural huddles that control the GOP.

* for certain values of “somebody” that are people well outside the nepotism circle, and probably brown, liberal, foreign, and…most importantly…not at all involved in what went wrong.

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:36:12pm

About Louise Mensch:

It’s worth the read. Squirrel, nut, broken clocks, and all that.

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majii  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:37:00pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

“You said that about your previous plan, you dolt.”

Trump knows his supporters will believe whatever he tells them. He doesn’t seem to realize that being POTUS means he’s president of all of our citizens. He also seems to think that if he uses a lot of positive adjectives, he’s winning! He’s not, at least not in my case, because I know he the reason he uses so many positive adjectives is to hide his ignorance. He doesn’t know sh*t about sh*t, so he bullsh*ts on everything.

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EPR-radar  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:37:26pm

My first thought on seeing this group of low lives standing in front of the HRC portrait: “I’m surprised they haven’t smeared their own ca-ca on it yet.”

My second thought on seeing this group of low lives standing in front of the HRC portrait: “Duh. That’s for later in the Trump reelection campaign.”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:39:00pm

re: #206 Timothy Watson

Gov. McAuliffe commutes Ivan Teleguz’s death sentence to life without parole

I totally expect Pandering Eddie to jump on this.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:40:35pm

re: #207 HappyWarrior

I totally expect Pandering Eddie to jump on this.

And Stewart will respond to “Establishment Ed’s” statement by promising to bring back public hangings.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:41:28pm

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Lady who grooms my dogs went to Antarctica. Not on my places to go. I have Thailand and South America on my bucket list. I’m hoping my brother plans a bio extended family trip eventually to his wife’s home nation of Peru one day. Would love to see Machu Picchu.

Been there, good choice. It is really beautiful and not as badly infested with woo-woo tourists as you might think. The locals and the Peruvian park service can apparently keep them away from the town site itself, possibly by just refusing to provide meditation space or point out the harmonic nodes, and by forbidding drum circles.

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451_Montag  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:42:49pm

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Lady who grooms my dogs went to Antarctica. Not on my places to go. I have Thailand and South America on my bucket list. I’m hoping my brother plans a bio extended family trip eventually to his wife’s home nation of Peru one day. Would love to see Machu Picchu.

Mahu Picchu is simply awe inspiring. Train there is great as well.

One often overlooked gem is Arequipa. City is in the shadow of El Misti volcano, BEST (and that’s saying something) food in Peru and a couple of hours from Colca Canyon, the deepest canyon on the planet.

If you like driving i would even suggest renting a car and driving Lima to Nazca, then Arequipa, stopping of in Pisco (spend a day getting drunk) and Ica with the reset Oasis at Huacachina and the wildlife preserve at Paradise. Spend 4_5 days doing the journey, sooooo worth it.

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darthstar  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:44:54pm

Trump gives a shout out to Pavarotti, calls him “a good friend of mine”.Pavarotti died 10 years ago in 2007.

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Skip Intro  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:46:13pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:46:18pm

Goofy but remarkably evocative use of Machu Picchu imagery in a commercial endeavor:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:47:03pm

re: #209 Shiplord Kirel

Been there, good choice. It is really beautiful and not as badly infested with woo-woo tourists as you might think. The locals and the Peruvian park service can apparently keep them away from the town site itself, possibly by just refusing to provide meditation space or point out the harmonic nodes, and by forbidding drum circles.

re: #210 451_Montag

Mahu Picchu is simply awe inspiring. Train there is great as well.

One often overlooked gem is Arequipa. City is in the shadow of El Misti volcano, BEST (and that’s saying something) food in Peru and a couple of hours from Colca Canyon, the deepest canyon on the planet.

If you like driving i would even suggest renting a car and driving Lima to Nazca, then Arequipa, stopping of in Pisco (spend a day getting drunk) and Ica with the reset Oasis at Huacachina and the wildlife preserve at Paradise. Spend 4_5 days doing the journey, sooooo worth it.

Sounds good. I love love Peruvian food. I need to brush up on my Spanish though. I still laugh at the time my SiL’s older sister posted photos in Colombia and I joked that she was La Patrona de Mar instead of La Patrona De Mal. I think the plan would be to fly to Lima and I’m not sure what from there. It would be a fun experience for my niece though. I think my brother would probably like to wait until his daughter is older so it’s something she’ll remember.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:47:35pm

re: #211 darthstar

Trump gives a shout out to Pavarotti, calls him “a good friend of mine”.Pavarotti died 10 years ago in 2007.

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Well he talked about Frederick Douglass as if Frederick Douglass was still alive too.

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Bubblehead II  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:49:08pm

NEW VIDEO: Why would Trump choose to subject himself to 10 minutes of public verbal abuse? We’ll find out in October.

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ObserverArt  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:50:01pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

You said that about your previous plan, you dolt.

He says it about everything.

He can’t help it…bullshitting has been his career.

Hell, it got him elected.

I’ve yet to see anything great, special, terrific the best from him and a good bet is it will never come.

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Skip Intro  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:55:11pm

re: #211 darthstar

Trump gives a shout out to Pavarotti, calls him “a good friend of mine”.Pavarotti died 10 years ago in 2007.

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This is where someone in the media should have asked Trump if Pavarotti called to congratulate him on his unpresidented victory.

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451_Montag  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:55:38pm

re: #209 Shiplord Kirel

Been there, good choice. It is really beautiful and not as badly infested with woo-woo tourists as you might think. The locals and the Peruvian park service can apparently keep them away from the town site itself, possibly by just refusing to provide meditation space or point out the harmonic nodes, and by forbidding drum circles.

You’ve hit on one of my great personal gripes.its the Ancient Engineers bs. The Inca’s couldn’t build it because they were too primative, must be aliens, crystals or “energies” Drives me nuts

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:55:53pm

re: #215 HappyWarrior

Sounds good. I love love Peruvian food. I need to brush up on my Spanish though. I still laugh at the time my SiL’s older sister posted photos in Colombia and I joked that she was La Patrona de Mar instead of La Patrona De Mal. I think the plan would be to fly to Lima and I’m not sure what from there. It would be a fun experience for my niece though. I think my brother would probably like to wait until his daughter is older so it’s something she’ll remember.

The food is great, fair amount of regional variation (Peru is a big place) and any level of proficiency in the language is a big plus. If you can, get across the Andes to Iquitos and the Peruvian Amazon. The flight over the mountains is really spectacular. Once there, it’s like a different planet from Lima and the mountains. The Amazon is not as pretty as the mountains but is is awesome nevertheless, by far the most navigable river in the world. Ocean going ships (up to @ 2000 tons) can reach Iquitos by traveling completely across Brazil, more than 2000 miles, on the Amazon.

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wrenchwench  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:57:15pm
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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:57:22pm

Never trust a dude who invokes “close personal friends” as a garnish to a statement.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 20, 2017 • 1:59:31pm

re: #220 451_Montag

You’ve hit on one of my great personal gripes.its the Ancient Engineers bs. The Inca’s couldn’t build it because they were too primative, must be aliens, crystals or “energies” Drives me nuts

You’ve probably noticed that the ancient astronaut quacks seldom attribute the works of white people to alien mentors. Notre Dame Cathedral? The Pantheon? Nah, strictly local. I think Stonehenge is the only one that gets any alien cred, and then only from woo-woos who aren’t quite with the program.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:01:42pm

re: #224 Shiplord Kirel

You’ve probably noticed that the ancient astronaut quacks seldom attribute the works of white people to alien mentors. Notre Dame Cathedral? The Pantheon? Nah, strictly local. I think Stonehenge is the only one that gets any alien cred, and then only from woo-woos who aren’t quite with the program.

Well, let’s be fair here: That’s because the actual history and method of construction with these structures is known, whereas the more ancient civilizations’ secrets are lost to us. The Pyramids are a great example. Historians have proposed several plausible theories of construction, with plenty of supporting evidence, but because there’s no direct translated record that says, “Here is how we built it,” people still want to invoke aliens or woo.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:01:46pm

re: #223 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

…it’s like the verbal equivalent of constantly wearing tinted glasses.

You’re dealing with a disguised alien or a somebody that lives on a “compound.”

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Puss Power  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:03:11pm

re: #209 Shiplord Kirel

Been there, good choice. It is really beautiful and not as badly infested with woo-woo tourists as you might think. The locals and the Peruvian park service can apparently keep them away from the town site itself, possibly by just refusing to provide meditation space or point out the harmonic nodes, and by forbidding drum circles.

I was there last month. No woo-woo seen. I want to go back.

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451_Montag  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:03:52pm

re: #221 Shiplord Kirel

The food is great, fair amount of regional variation (Peru is a big place) and any level of proficiency in the language is a big plus. If you can, get across the Andes to Iquitos and the Peruvian Amazon. The flight over the mountains is really spectacular. Once there, it’s like a different planet from Lima and the mountains. The Amazon is not as pretty as the mountains but is is awesome nevertheless, by far the most navigable river in the world. Ocean going ships (up to @ 2000 tons) can reach Iquitos by traveling completely across Brazil, more than 2000 miles, on the Amazon.

The regional variation is what makes it. You will even find local variation in the bigger towns. Jungle food is the nuts. Even better than Iquitos is Peurto Maldonado, small town in Primary jungle. 5 hours on a boat to the most amazing wildlife like ultra rare lake otters, caiman, tree frogs a d 1000s of bird species.

Peru has 84 different ecosystems out of the worlds 103. Most biodiverse in the world

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:05:32pm

re: #224 Shiplord Kirel

Funny thing is, the cathedral builders have one of the most sinister folkloric reps out there. Lots of tales about how they used magic, controlled devils, or made pacts with the Devil.

Honestly, I think Ancient Aliens people are the stub-end of a larger issue where the linear construct of “civilization” —to create a false sense of continuity and succession from Greece, to Rome, to various European kingdoms—doesn’t have conceptual room for a world that doesn’t function like a tech tree in a Civ game.

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darthstar  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:07:30pm
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451_Montag  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:08:13pm

re: #224 Shiplord Kirel

You’ve probably noticed that the ancient astronaut quacks seldom attribute the works of white people to alien mentors. Notre Dame Cathedral? The Pantheon? Nah, strictly local. I think Stonehenge is the only one that gets any alien cred, and then only from woo-woos who aren’t quite with the program.

You got it in one. The silly brown people in the funny colored hats couldn’t possibly have the skills. Oh they are savages eating pets, must be aliens.

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danarchy  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:09:04pm

re: #224 Shiplord Kirel

You’ve probably noticed that the ancient astronaut quacks seldom attribute the works of white people to alien mentors. Notre Dame Cathedral? The Pantheon? Nah, strictly local. I think Stonehenge is the only one that gets any alien cred, and then only from woo-woos who aren’t quite with the program.

Nah, they are perfectly willing to ascribe megalithic structures in europe to aliens, the Carnac stones, the Bosnian pyramids that probably just natural formations etc. Anything we don’t have a written history of is fair game.

Edit: also a lot of those cathedrals and temples etc aren’t really megalithic. They uses smaller components and join them together with mortar or cement. They seem to get really hung up on the size of some of stones in the older structures some which can weigh up to 200 tons. While we still may not fully understand how they quarried and moved the largest of these, I think human ingenuity is just a little more likely than alien intervention.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:11:52pm

re: #222 wrenchwench

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Definitely buying!!!!

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:12:06pm

re: #229 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

A basic tech-tree fallacy fuck-up: the emphasis on the wheel.

The wheel as transportation component makes sense when there’s (1) flat, open land in general, (2) even minimal infrastructure to create roads and tracks.

Andean peoples and Mexican Basin people knew what wheels were—they used them as toys, and for pottery—but the fucking things didn’t make sense if you were hauling shit up and down the of the Andes, and weren’t that useful if you had the alternate of bearers that could move faster across mixed terrain.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:14:35pm

re: #192 FormerDirtDart

Trump’s rhetoric on health has been completely consistent for two years: something good, something terrific, something I will not identify.

It’s like Schrodinger’s Cat - as long as you don’t look, it’s still alive. Or not. Or both

Puts me in mind of the Perfectionism Paralysis that Mrs. FBW suffers from - as long as whatever you’re doing is still in the planning stage, it can still be perfect. It’s when work begins that it falls short of the mark.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:15:38pm

re: #235 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s lie Schrodinger’s Cat - as long as you don’t look, it’s still alive. Or not. Or both

Puts me in mind of the Perfectionism Paralysis that Mrs. FBW suffers from - as long as whatever you’re doing is still in the planning stage, it can still be perfect. It’s when work begins that it falls short of the mark.

As one of my bosses likes to quote, “No plan survives first contact with the enemy.”

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:16:51pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:17:59pm

re: #220 451_Montag

You’ve hit on one of my great personal gripes.its the Ancient Engineers bs. The Inca’s couldn’t build it because they were too primative, must be aliens, crystals or “energies” Drives me nuts

Argument from Personal Incredulity.

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petesh  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:18:06pm

re: #236 thedopefishlives

As one of my bosses likes to quote, “No plan survives first contact with the enemy.”

Don’t forget the Pogo Addendum.

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wrenchwench  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:19:19pm

re: #233 Stanley Sea

Definitely buying!!!!

I hope my PO still has some when I run out of my ‘Pets’ forever stamps. They don’t last forever, but pretty close these days.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:21:39pm

re: #240 wrenchwench

I hope my PO still has some when I run out of my ‘Pets’ forever stamps. They don’t last forever, but pretty close these days.

I know! I have 1 Janis Joplin left. See when those came out - 2 years ago?

I just send birthday, Father’s & Mother’s to the units. They expect them.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:22:42pm

re: #225 thedopefishlives

Well, let’s be fair here: That’s because the actual history and method of construction with these structures is known, whereas the more ancient civilizations’ secrets are lost to us. The Pyramids are a great example. Historians have proposed several plausible theories of construction, with plenty of supporting evidence, but because there’s no direct translated record that says, “Here is how we built it,” people still want to invoke aliens or woo.

True, we don’t know which of several alternatives the Egyptians used on the Pyramids, but we do know a great deal about ancient Egyptian construction methods from later, but similar, projects. As for the Inca people, they continued to use the same methods for some time after the Spanish conquest and we actually know about it from that.

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whitebeach  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:24:22pm

re: #234 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

A basic tech-tree fallacy fuck-up: the emphasis on the wheel.

The wheel as transportation component makes sense when there’s (1) flat, open land in general, (2) even minimal infrastructure to create roads and tracks.

Andean peoples and Mexican Basin people knew what wheels were—they used them as toys, and for pottery—but the fucking things didn’t make sense if you were hauling shit up and down the of the Andes, and weren’t that useful if you had the alternate of bearers that could move faster across mixed terrain.

Not to mention that those areas also lacked the large draft animals that made the wheel really do its thing before the invention of steam engines.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:24:41pm

re: #242 Shiplord Kirel

True, we don’t know which of several alternatives the Egyptians used on the Pyramids, but we do know a great deal about ancient Egyptian construction methods from later, but similar, projects. As for the Inca people, they continued to use the same methods fro some time after the Spanish conquest and we actually know about it from that.

My knowledge may be out of date, but the point I’m driving at is that as pointed out upthread, there’s a bit of an argument from ignorance that makes it plausible that it’s not a racist trope. Not saying there aren’t people out there who are saying that “ignorant savages couldn’t build things like this,” though.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:25:03pm

This made me smile loudly…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:27:00pm

re: #242 Shiplord Kirel

True, we don’t know which of several alternatives the Egyptians used on the Pyramids, but we do know a great deal about ancient Egyptian construction methods from later, but similar, projects. As for the Inca people, they continued to use the same methods for some time after the Spanish conquest and we actually know about it from that.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:33:53pm

They think we are stupid.

Half of us are

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thedopefishlives  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:37:24pm

re: #247 Stanley Sea

TRICKLE-DOWN ECONOMICS!!!!!!

I need a drink.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:37:44pm

Golly, remember back during the Bush Administration (the Younger)
when Conservative economists admitted for the first time since 1980 that no, in fact, there was no evidence that any tax cuts had ever paid for themselves, and indeed that no tax cut was ever likely to?

Good times.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:38:28pm

re: #248 thedopefishlives

TRICKLE-DOWN ECONOMICS!!!!!!

I need a drink.

Here, let me trickle in this glass for you. Do you mind it warm? Or would you like ice cubes?

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thedopefishlives  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:38:47pm

Seriously though, I’m trying to understand how a tax CUT will “pay for itself”. By definition, a tax cut reduces tax revenue. How is that going to be made up? The same number of people are paying taxes, just less of it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:39:38pm

re: #240 wrenchwench

I hope my PO still has some when I run out of my ‘Pets’ forever stamps. They don’t last forever, but pretty close these days.

I just buy mine online from USPS.
Last ones I got were Farmers Market ones.

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Jack Burton  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:40:03pm

We have mountains of evidence from every other time this was done that proves that shit doesn’t work. Why is it so hard for the media to do it’s job and say “I’m sorry, that is incorrect.” Game show hosts can do it… why can’t MSNBC? or WaPo?

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:41:21pm

Well, it looks like Arkansas get to kill two men tonight after all…

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KGxvi  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:43:43pm

POTUS, like all of us, has a finite amount of time each day. The way I see it, the more time this particular POTUS spends taking pictures with football teams and marginally famous people (and politics aside, I like most of Kid Rock’s work), the better for the country and the world.

I mean, every minute he’s talking about how great he would have been as an NFL owner or how if he wanted to, he could have been a great bass player, is a minute he’s not deciding to start a nuclear war in Asia

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:45:54pm

re: #251 thedopefishlives

Seriously though, I’m trying to understand how a tax CUT will “pay for itself”. By definition, a tax cut reduces tax revenue. How is that going to be made up? The same number of people are paying taxes, just less of it.

Laffer Curve, a theoretical construct that posits that when tax rates rise above a certain level, further increases will dampen economic activity so much that tax revenues will fall.

The axes are tax rates on the X, and tax revenues on the Y, and the curve is an inverted U. It’s an article of faith on the Right that we are ALWAYS on the far side of the Ymax, so that if we decrease X, we’ll get more Y.

The thing is, ever single time we decrease X, we decrease Y. Which means we’re on the OTHER side of the U.

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wrenchwench  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:47:25pm

re: #252 Backwoods_Sleuth

I just buy mine online from USPS.
Last ones I got were Farmers Market ones.

My trips to the post office (5-blocks) are part of my therapy. That’s where I was going when I got hit (the box I was carrying got mailed somehow).

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:47:50pm

re: #256 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m laffing already
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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:47:56pm

re: #256 Blind Frog Belly White

Supply side Jesus will provide. /Voodoo economics, by any other name is still voodoo.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:49:06pm

re: #256 Blind Frog Belly White

I suppose I wasn’t thinking of the impact of income tax rates on disposable income, but still. It seems like, unless the adjustment is a significant percentage, the effect would be effectively invisible because of the overall proportion of disposable income to essential income in the tax brackets being adjusted.

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KGxvi  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:49:27pm

re: #251 thedopefishlives

Seriously though, I’m trying to understand how a tax CUT will “pay for itself”. By definition, a tax cut reduces tax revenue. How is that going to be made up? The same number of people are paying taxes, just less of it.

The theory is that by cutting taxes people will spend the additional money that they get in their paychecks. This in turns, means more sales of goods, which, in turn, should mean the hiring of more workers, who would then be paying income taxes. Unfortunately, there comes a point of diminishing returns on this sort of thinking. If you’re making, say $300k a year, that extra money is just going to go into a bank account, or a 401k, or some other form of investment/savings that isn’t particularly likely to juice the economy. And for people further down the economic ladder, a lot of that sweet tax cut money that they get (if they get any) will likely go towards paying off outstanding debts, also something not likely to lead to the creation of more jobs.

Basically, it’s level 1 economic thinking. And in the most basic sense, it would be true. But we’ve reached a point in our economic development where level 1 thinking is mostly worthless.

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:49:45pm

re: #258 Blind Frog Belly White

The hilarious thing is that we know that with a top tax rate of 90%, or even 70%, the economy grew from WWII until the 1960s. I know there’s plenty of other factors involved, but high tax rates didn’t stop the economy from growing.

But a lack of revenues did cause massive debt to accumulate, from the 1980s onwards precisely because cutting revenue didn’t increase economic activities.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:50:52pm

re: #251 thedopefishlives

Seriously though, I’m trying to understand how a tax CUT will “pay for itself”. By definition, a tax cut reduces tax revenue. How is that going to be made up? The same number of people are paying taxes, just less of it.

The IRS loses on every taxpayer, but they make it up in volume.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:52:09pm

re: #254 FormerDirtDart

Well, it looks like Arkansas get to kill two men tonight after all…

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Yikes! How bad is it when we have to rely on pharmaceutical distributors to uphold public ethics? This bad, apparently, since the killings are going ahead.

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Jack Burton  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:52:38pm

re: #256 Blind Frog Belly White

Laffer Curve, a theoretical construct that posits that when tax rates rise above a certain level, further increases will dampen economic activity so much that tax revenues will fall.

The axes are tax rates on the X, and tax revenues on the Y, and the curve is an inverted U. It’s an article of faith on the Right that we are ALWAYS on the far side of the Ymax, so that if we decrease X, we’ll get more Y.

The thing is, ever single time we decrease X, we decrease Y. Which means we’re on the OTHER side of the U.

And we have been on the wrong side of the U since Reagan at least, if not Kennedy. I’m pretty sure the GOP has convinced itself that it’s actually the Laffer Right Triangle.

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wrenchwench  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:52:40pm
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electrotek  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:53:39pm

So what is going on in Paris yet again?

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ObserverArt  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:53:41pm

I always go with David Stockman’s words on taxes since he was the Budget Director under Ronnie “Trickle Down” Reagan.

Send this video to ALL Republicans you can.

Bill Moyers and David Stockman on the Folly of Anti-Tax Crusades

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mmmirele  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:54:15pm

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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:54:19pm

re: #252 Backwoods_Sleuth

I just buy mine online from USPS.
Last ones I got were Farmers Market ones.

I just ordered the Mexican food ones via online USPS. Whee. They are so cute.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:54:51pm

re: #253 Jack Burton

We have mountains of evidence from every other time this was done that proves that shit doesn’t work. Why is it so hard for the media to do it’s job and say “I’m sorry, that is incorrect.” Game show hosts can do it… why can’t MSNBC? or WaPo?

They report, the idiots decide.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:55:17pm

re: #260 thedopefishlives

I suppose I wasn’t thinking of the impact of income tax rates on disposable income, but still. It seems like, unless the adjustment is a significant percentage, the effect would be effectively invisible because of the overall proportion of disposable income to essential income in the tax brackets being adjusted.

The thing is, we know from past experience what the effect of tax cuts is on economic activity. Give a poor man a tax cut, and he’ll spend it. All of it. Increasing economic activity - more goods sold, higher demand, etc.

Give a rich guy a tax cut. He’ll only spend part of it, if any. The rest, he’ll ‘invest’. But a whole lot of investment opportunities don’t really produce any more economic activity. They amount to - AT BEST - swapping pieces of ownership around. At worst? Simply legalized gambling.

So, if you want more economic activity, you give money to people who don’t have it, not people who do. Or you build shit that needs to be built, and that will enhance other economic activity. You don’t give more to people who already have too much and aren’t spending it.

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Belafon  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:55:31pm

re: #262 lawhawk

The hilarious thing is that we know that with a top tax rate of 90%, or even 70%, the economy grew from WWII until the 1960s. I know there’s plenty of other factors involved, but high tax rates didn’t stop the economy from growing.

But a lack of revenues did cause massive debt to accumulate, from the 1980s onwards precisely because cutting revenue didn’t increase economic activities.

Because that upper tax money wasn’t being spent by the wealthy. By definition, being so wealthy that you can save a whole lot of money means you’re not spending it, which isn’t helping the economy. By taxing it, it gets put back into the economy.

The truly wealthy only like the parts of capitalism where they get to fleece others. They don’t fully participate in it themselves.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:56:09pm

re: #265 Jack Burton

And we have been on the wrong side of the U since Reagan at least, if not Kennedy. I’m pretty sure the GOP has convinced itself that it’s actually the Laffer Right Triangle.

“If we cut taxes to zero, we’ll have INFINITE revenue!!!”

EDIT: Honestly? We’ve NEVER been on the far side of the U.

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Momkat56  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:56:39pm

re: #183 ObserverArt

You obviously haven’t been to Gulf Shores and/or Orange Beach :)

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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:57:43pm

Yeah, that’s not what he said. Good try.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:58:33pm

re: #260 thedopefishlives

I suppose I wasn’t thinking of the impact of income tax rates on disposable income, but still. It seems like, unless the adjustment is a significant percentage, the effect would be effectively invisible because of the overall proportion of disposable income to essential income in the tax brackets being adjusted.

Part of what tax-cut fetishists forget, or refuse to acknowledge, is that while money given to poorer people has higher velocity, they want to give the bulk of tax cuts to richer people, who usually sit on a lot of it. So right out of the gate the economic activity created by the cuts is absolutely minimal. A lot of our very richest American assholes like to have giant numbers attached to their bank accounts, so they can prove they are better than the schlub two mansions over.
I had seen a suggestion somewhere (can’t remember where) that the really high marginal rates we used to have did stimulate economic activity - business owners could take money out of the business for themselves, but they wouldn’t get to keep too much of it, so might as well keep it in the business, maybe open a new plant or whatever.

EDIT
took too long, KGxvi already said it at 261.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2017 • 2:58:41pm
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scottslemmons  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:01:32pm

re: #270 Stanley Sea

I just ordered the Mexican food ones via online USPS. Whee. They are so cute.

Y’all should check out the WPA Poster stamps. They’re gorgeous. I’m sending them with my bills, hoping there’s some credit card company mook who’s enraged about the socialism. :)

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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:01:43pm

DEB! I saw this posted outside the store yesterday & thought of you. Wanna buy a M*A*S*H jeep?

I have the # if anyone is interested.

So Cal

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:03:54pm

re: #280 Stanley Sea

DEB! I saw this posted outside the store yesterday & thought of you. Wanna buy a M*A*S*H jeep?

I have the # if anyone is interested.

So Cal

[Embedded content]

As long as it’s not the one they blew up or had overturned in the ditch…

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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:04:51pm

re: #279 scottslemmons

Y’all should check out the WPA Poster stamps. They’re gorgeous. I’m sending them with my bills, hoping there’s some credit card company mook who’s enraged about the socialism. :)

Those are great!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:06:15pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:06:52pm
285
ObserverArt  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:06:55pm

re: #278 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

Was the ad followed by the ad where you need to contact the law firm to be part of the class action lawsuit against the drug manufacturer of Xarelto?

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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:07:16pm

re: #283 Blind Frog Belly White

[Embedded content]

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:08:11pm

re: #283 Blind Frog Belly White

I have a board I would like to put him on…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:08:32pm

CIA Superior: Where is the, uh, the treasury guy? Pfarrer?
CIA Officer: Right now?
CIA Superior: Right now.
CIA Officer: Um, he is in a detention room at Washington Dulles.
CIA Superior: Why?
CIA Officer: He was trying to board a flight to Venezuela. We had his name on a hot list, the CB people pulled him in, uh. Don’t know why he was going to Venezuela.
CIA Superior: You don’t know?
CIA Officer: No, sir.
CIA Superior: We have no extradition with Venezuela.
CIA Officer: Oh. So what should we do with him?
CIA Superior: For fuck’s sake, put him on the next flight to Venezuela!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:09:19pm

re: #287 Jebediah, RBG

I have a board I would like to put him on…

Hey, use two! It’s Easter season, after all!
/////

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William Lewis  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:10:03pm

re: #280 Stanley Sea

DEB! I saw this posted outside the store yesterday & thought of you. Wanna buy a M*A*S*H jeep?

I have the # if anyone is interested.

So Cal

[Embedded content]

Wish I had the money. Be a fun one to bang around northern WI in.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:10:12pm

re: #289 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, I was thinking waterboard, but in the spirit of the Easter season, OK!

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:11:06pm

So, I was thinking I kind of needed something like this, and maybe some of y’all will enjoy it too…

Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers - A Night In Tunisia - 1958

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:11:09pm

re: #291 Jebediah, RBG

Well, I was thinking waterboard, but in the spirit of the Easter season, OK!

“Hey! Don’t you have any sandpaper? This board chaffetz my skin!”

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:11:45pm

re: #293 Blind Frog Belly White

If I could give you more than an upding for that, I would.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:12:35pm

re: #283 Blind Frog Belly White

He’s seen first-hand how much money he can get for being a stooge. RT, One America, or maybe a slot at Fox or CNN. I hear Fox has openings…

296
wrenchwench  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:12:40pm

OK, time to ditch the doc who told me no coffee after noon, and sign up with this one:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:13:16pm

re: #294 Jebediah, RBG

It’s probably pronounced ‘chaff’ like what you separate the wheat from, rather than chafe, but what the hell?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:13:17pm

re: #276 Stanley Sea

Yeah, that’s not what he said. Good try.

[Embedded content]

And Hawaii is not “an island”…it’s several islands and, more importantly a US State.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:14:09pm

re: #280 Stanley Sea

DEB! I saw this posted outside the store yesterday & thought of you. Wanna buy a M*A*S*H jeep?

I have the # if anyone is interested.

So Cal

[Embedded content]

Daughter’s FIL has one (M-38). My junker could be improved by a roll-over.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:18:02pm

re: #297 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s probably pronounced ‘chaff’ like what you separate the wheat from, rather than chafe, but what the hell?

Pretty sure it is pronounced “jerk ass.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:18:04pm

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Hawaii is not “an island”…it’s several islands and, more importantly a US State.

Well, really, Hawaii IS an island. Hawaii is also a state, comprised of several islands, including Hawaii.

Which is why people call Hawaii The Big Island, I’m thinking.

That, and it really is the biggest.

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wrenchwench  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:18:21pm

re: #292 Jebediah, RBG

So, I was thinking I kind of needed something like this, and maybe some of y’all will enjoy it too…

[Embedded content]

Video

Better than coffee!

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:19:15pm

re: #302 wrenchwench

And better dressed, too!

304
wrenchwench  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:19:54pm

re: #303 Jebediah, RBG

And better dressed, too!

And so young!

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:20:53pm
306
goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:22:39pm

What a weird thing to say.

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Jay C  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:24:17pm

re: #280 Stanley Sea

DEB! I saw this posted outside the store yesterday & thought of you. Wanna buy a M*A*S*H jeep?

I have the # if anyone is interested.

So Cal

[Embedded content]

I had to look twice at that ad: at first glance I thought it said “REDUCED PIECES”: which for a Korean-War-era jeep might not be too far off the mark….

308
Skip Intro  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:24:50pm

re: #267 electrotek

So what is going on in Paris yet again?

Marine LePen just won the election.

309
Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:26:32pm

re: #308 Skip Intro

Marine LePen just won the election.

please, do not even joke about that

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electrotek  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:27:21pm

re: #308 Skip Intro

Marine LePen just won the election.

I spat my drink reading this.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:28:04pm

re: #310 electrotek

I spat my drink reading this.

I think I’m going to need to go and get one.

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scottslemmons  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:28:12pm

re: #309 Backwoods_Sleuth

please, do not even joke about that

If the French elect Le Pen, after seeing all the shit produced by Trump and Brexit, I’m just gonna declare Western civilization over and suggest that China should start bombing as quickly as possible.

313
Skip Intro  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:28:39pm

re: #309 Backwoods_Sleuth

please, do not even joke about that

I’m not.

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gocart mozart  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:30:40pm
315
Skip Intro  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:31:14pm

re: #312 scottslemmons

ISIS claimed responsibilty for the killing. Who do you think that’s going to help?

316
Shiplord Kirel  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:31:48pm

re: #308 Skip Intro

Marine LePen just won the election.

LGF FEMA camp if you’re shitting us.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:32:22pm

re: #312 scottslemmons

If the French elect Le Pen, after seeing all the shit produced by Trump and Brexit, I’m just gonna declare Western civilization over and suggest that China should start bombing as quickly as possible.

I sit back & ponder. Why was I born in this time?

I mean, I could’ve gone through WW2 but fuck, everything seemed fine.

318
electrotek  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:33:19pm

re: #317 Stanley Sea

I sit back & ponder. Why was I born in this time?

I mean, I could’ve gone through WW2 but fuck, everything seemed fine.

Imagine living in 1960s France.

319
Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:33:38pm

re: #313 Skip Intro

I’m not.

the election has not happened yet.

320
Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:34:05pm

re: #318 electrotek

Imagine living in 1960s France.

I imagine that was a great time. Non?

321
Skip Intro  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:38:02pm

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

the election has not happened yet.

I know. Think of it as Comey’s November surprise for Trump.

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:09:38pm

re: #288 Blind Frog Belly White

The eminently quotable Burn after Reading.

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sagehen  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:37:56pm

re: #249 Blind Frog Belly White

Golly, remember back during the Bush Administration (the Younger)
when Conservative economists admitted for the first time since 1980 that no, in fact, there was no evidence that any tax cuts had ever paid for themselves, and indeed that no tax cut was ever likely to?

Good times.

[Embedded content]

The early 1960’s tax cuts did in fact pay for themselves, when the Kennedy admin lowered the top rate from 90% to 70%. When it meant that top earners could keep 3x as much.

Big earners whose money came in sporadic chunks (prizefighters, Vegas headliners) were motivated to work more. Big earners whose money was the continuing flow from grandpa’s work (Rockefellers, Fords) stopped putting all their money into tax-free foundations, they had more taxable income. And “regular” rich (doctors, lawyers, successful business owners) just had more to spend, and they spent it on American goods from American manufacturers (Europe and Asia were still rebuilding from WWII, not making a lot of exports). Which means American manufacturers had to raise wages, expand their workforce, more people paying income tax and in higher brackets.

It’s never worked since. The Laffer curve peaks somewhere around 60%.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:41:22pm

re: #251 thedopefishlives

Seriously though, I’m trying to understand how a tax CUT will “pay for itself”. By definition, a tax cut reduces tax revenue. How is that going to be made up? The same number of people are paying taxes, just less of it.


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