The Bob Cesca Show: Summit of Assholes

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Summit of Assholes: Driftglass and Bluegal from The Professional Left podcast are back for the hour; Paul Harvey and 420; Bill O’Reilly fired by Fox News Channel; Sexual harassment vocabulary; Kid Rock, Ted Nugent and Sarah Palin meet with Trump; Jason Chaffetz is out; North Korea warns a ‘super mighty preemptive strike’ is on the way; Where the hell is Trump’s armada?; and more.

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darthstar  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:32:25pm

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thedopefishlives  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:32:58pm

re: #1 darthstar

Not pictured: Clint Eastwood’s empty chair.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:33:45pm

re: #2 thedopefishlives

Not pictured: Clint Eastwood’s empty chair.

Pictured: Donald Trump’s empty hair.

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b.d.  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:35:33pm

I guess Sarah left her snow machine hubby in another state as a nod to the new Oval Office tradition of not having your spouse around?

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thedopefishlives  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:36:06pm

re: #3 Blind Frog Belly White

Pictured: Donald Trump’s empty hair.

Not pictured: Me cleaning up after snorting my drink through my nose.

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ObserverArt  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:36:07pm

Can Trump ever smile naturally? It is always a forced fake. I suppose it all makes sense since it fits his being fake.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:36:43pm

re: #5 thedopefishlives

Not pictured: Me cleaning up after snorting my drink through my nose.

Is that the drink I trickled for you downstairs?
//

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b.d.  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:36:54pm

Toughest question I can think of, who is the smartest person in that picture?

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thedopefishlives  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:37:16pm

re: #7 Blind Frog Belly White

Is that the drink I trickled for you downstairs?
//

No, I poured that one out for a homie.

…Okay, maybe more of an enemy.

…Alright, alright, it was Donald Trump.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:37:30pm

re: #6 ObserverArt

Can Trump ever smile naturally? It is always a forced fake. I suppose it all makes sense since it fits his being fake.

Mrs. FBW says you never see/hear him laughing, either.

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Skip Intro  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:40:20pm

There days, I keep looking back on what a great year 2016 was.

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b.d.  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:41:06pm

re: #10 Blind Frog Belly White

re: #6 ObserverArt

Donald Trump never laughs,” Al Franken said.

This was the senator’s first observation to me on a recent afternoon.

nytimes.com

“I wanted to see if Trump laughed,” Franken said. “And he didn’t. He smiled, but didn’t laugh. I don’t know what it is.”

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prairiefire  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:43:43pm

re: #4 b.d.

I guess Sarah left her snow machine hubby in another state as a nod to the new Oval Office tradition of not having your spouse around?

I think he is still recovering from his catastrophic snow machine accident.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:43:57pm

re: #4 b.d.

I guess Sarah left her snow machine hubby in another state as a nod to the new Oval Office tradition of not having your spouse around?

Made me think of a line from “A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum”:

Pseudolus: My lady! Who would want to be free of you?

Senex (wistfully): Who, indeed?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:47:52pm

re: #8 b.d.

Toughest question I can think of, who is the smartest person in that picture?

I don’t recall the car’s name, but that’s who it is.

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b.d.  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:49:26pm

re: #13 prairiefire

I think he is still recovering from his catastrophic snow machine accident.

The wingnutosphere references him out doing stuff lately, so hopefully he is ok. Maybe he is hanging out with Scott Baio, who also looks like he was snubbed at the has been gathering?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:49:28pm

re: #4 b.d.

I guess Sarah left her snow machine hubby in another state as a nod to the new Oval Office tradition of not having your spouse around?

Looks like she forgot to bring the Belmont girls, too…that chest is sooo flat.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:50:22pm

re: #8 b.d.

Toughest question I can think of, who is the smartest person in that picture?

the phone

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Skip Intro  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:50:33pm

Did the taxpayers have to pay travel expenses for Trump’s friends for the photo op? Did they stay at Trump’s D.C. hotel?

I’m curious.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:52:06pm

re: #15 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I don’t recall the car’s name, but that’s who it is.

That’s Mater, voiced by Larry the Cable Guy.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:53:24pm

He’s an addled old man sitting in the WH alone every night. He does nothing in the evening hours but call everyone on his contact list to say HEY, come on over! And forces the staff to make meals for everyone.

These photos just made me puke.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:54:53pm

re: #20 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s Mater, voiced by Larry the Cable Guy.

Short for Tow-Mater.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:57:31pm

re: #21 Stanley Sea

He’s an addled old man sitting in the WH alone every night. He does nothing in the evening hours but call everyone on his contact list to say HEY, come on over! And forces the staff to make meals for everyone.

These photos just made me puke.

“Why, yes, we DO have Prince Albert in the can…. Yes, yes. We’ll let him out… Very funny, Mr. President. A real knee-slapper.”

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Bubblehead II  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:57:59pm

Night Lizards. As always, May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you.

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Cheechako  Apr 20, 2017 • 3:59:17pm

I see that photo posted above and I keep thinking Sarah is soliciting for a position in dtrump’s WH.

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William Lewis  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:00:34pm

re: #25 Cheechako

I see that photo posted above and I keep thinking Sarah is soliciting for a position in dtrump’s WH.

Soliciting is exactly the right word for it, too… < ugh! >

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:02:00pm

re: #25 Cheechako

I see that photo posted above and I keep thinking Sarah is soliciting for a position in dtrump’s WH.

Maybe, but I remember after she endorsed him in that rambling, incoherent, ‘Is she on drugs?’ speech, she didn’t get to be on stage with him much if at all for the rest of the campaign.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:02:24pm
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thedopefishlives  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:02:55pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

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His Twitter handle is rather apropos: @ShitlordUSA.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:05:56pm
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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:06:33pm
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Ace Rothstein  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:12:46pm

re: #2 thedopefishlives

Not pictured: Clint Eastwood’s empty chair.

Not pictured: White trash not wearing hats indoors.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:13:01pm
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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:20:53pm

A plethora of interesting tweets tonight

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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:21:45pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:23:09pm

re: #35 Stanley Sea

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This needs Josh Marshall’s ‘puppet has an epiphany’ GIF.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:23:24pm

re: #35 Stanley Sea

I’m still waiting for the day Alex Jones decries Drumpf. We all know it’s coming. It’s impossible for an anti-government conspiracy nutjob to trust the powers-at-be for any considerable length of time.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:24:24pm

re: #37 thedopefishlives

I’m still waiting for the day Alex Jones decries Drumpf. We all know it’s coming. It’s impossible for an anti-government conspiracy nutjob to trust the powers-at-be for any considerable length of time.

Then we will know it was truly Performance Art.

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:32:30pm

Meet the Grand Wizard of the KKK at his home base of operations in Zinc, Arkansas. Because we folks in the NYC metro region need to better understand and connect with people in other parts of the US.

Editor’s note: This is Day 3 of a two-week tour of Middle America as Matt Arco and Andrew Maclean connect people in New Jersey with those in red states. Track everything on Twitter via #MeetInTheMiddle or at nj.com.

EUREKA SPRINGS, Ark. — There was a moment’s hesitation ignoring a dozen or so “no trespassing” signs wrapping the trees in the thick Boone County hills.

Undeterred, we pull up the steep gravel driveway.

We have come unannounced, unsure of the rules approaching a home set back in the sparsely populated town of Zinc, Ark. — the home of the national director of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.

But we have spent an hour of our Wednesday driving the town’s dirt roads looking for Thomas Robb’s home, finally pointed in the right direction after a conversation with another extremely kind, long-time Zinc resident who asked me if I had found Jesus yet.

And in less than 10 minutes after we approach Robb’s home, we are touring his 100-plus acre “Christian Revival Center.” (The locals call it “the compound,” but Robb takes offense to that term. “It’s not a compound,” he says.)

It’s a hate-mongering compound.

The interview goes downhill from there - Trump’s core bigot demographics talking points are all hit.

These are the people the media, pundits, and some Democrats are saying we need to understand or communicate with?

These are the people who think that their racism and bigotry just got justified with a know-nothing bigot in the WH. That’s all anyone needs to know about them. White supremacists don’t need their bullshit grievances understood.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:35:55pm

Good News: UC Berkley reverses their decision and allows Ann Coulter, the very model of a skank crack whore racist to speak.

Officials at the University of California at Berkeley on Thursday reversed their decision to cancel a speech by conservative firebrand Ann Coulter.

The university had announced Wednesday that it was canceling Coulter’s appearance following several political protests in Berkeley that turned violent.

But on Thursday, the university said it had found a venue where it could hold the speech on May 2, instead of the original April 27 date. However, a leader of the college Republican group that originally invited Coulter said the university was placing strict conditions on the event, and he said his group intended to reject the new terms.

That whatever deity of your choice she never had any offspring…..

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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:39:12pm

re: #39 lawhawk

They’ve made it to a better place.

Instagram

Said crawfish. 🦀 #MeetIntheMiddle

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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:39:36pm

re: #39 lawhawk

And thanks for the turn on to their feed. I’ll be following.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:40:23pm

re: #41 Stanley Sea

They’ve made it to a better place.

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otherwise known elsewhere as “bait”

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Citizen K  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:40:58pm

re: #39 lawhawk

Meet the Grand Wizard of the KKK at his home base of operations in Zinc, Arkansas. Because we folks in the NYC metro region need to better understand and connect with people in other parts of the US.

It’s a hate-mongering compound.

The interview goes downhill from there - Trump’s core bigot demographics talking points are all hit.

These are the people the media, pundits, and some Democrats are saying we need to understand or communicate with?

These are the people who think that their racism and bigotry just got justified with a know-nothing bigot in the WH. That’s all anyone needs to know about them. White supremacists don’t need their bullshit grievances understood.

All that diversity and regular contact with other ethnicities, races, and religions clearly means we urban types live in a bubble and need to know the struggles and concerns of “Real America”. That’s the kind of talk that all these hagiographies toward Trump voters keep telling me: the fact that we’re diverse literally means we’re not really Americans.

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Skip Intro  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:42:16pm

re: #40 Eric The Fruit Bat

I have heard the term ‘firebrand’ used more this year than in all my previous ones.

Hint to media. She’s not a firebrand, she’s a far right wing bombthrower. Stop elevating these assholes.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:44:33pm

re: #35 Stanley Sea

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Pineapple Pizza  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:44:39pm

re: #45 Skip Intro

“Firebrands” are the things that light crosses on fire.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:45:32pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

otherwise known elsewhere as “bait”

I’ll eat those things to Sunday.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:48:03pm

re: #40 Eric The Fruit Bat

Good News: UC Berkley reverses their decision and allows Ann Coulter, the very model of a skank crack whore racist to speak.

That whatever deity of your choice she never had any offspring…..

Get some popcorn and sit back for some hot wingnut/moonbat action.

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Skip Intro  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:48:06pm

re: #47 Pineapple Pizza

Bomb thrower is more accurate.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:50:27pm

When I saw this headline on FB:

Fourteen per cent of US Christians left their churches after Trump’s election, new research finds

…my first thought was, “Because they realized there’s no god”, but I figure posting that on FB would be inflammatory.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:55:03pm
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Belafon  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:57:09pm

re: #51 Blind Frog Belly White

When I saw this headline on FB:

Fourteen per cent of US Christians left their churches after Trump’s election, new research finds

…my first thought was, “Because they realized there’s no god”, but I figure posting that on FB would be inflammatory.

Possibly some of them, but far too many church leaders proclaimed he was doing God’s will, which wouldn’t fit with the views of a lot of Christians.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:57:19pm

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

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My, but he looks resolute there!

Or constipated.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:57:33pm

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

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the frowny face that is more powerful than our greatest Naval Armada…

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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 4:57:43pm
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Belafon  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:03:35pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

“Look, all we’re asking for is that whites be treated more equal than others.”

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:04:14pm

I haven’t posted a picture in a while, so here’s one from last night’s OKC/Houston game. Westbrook went nuts and they still lost.

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:06:24pm

The US has an armada?

Seriously? Who the fuck is advising Trump about what the Navy is doing, and where our carriers are located?

The US has historically referred to its ships as part of a fleet. When we send them on missions, they’re referred to as Task Forces. Sometimes they’re referred to as battlegroups.

Armadas?

That’s what the Spanish had (and lost).

None of these idiots even know the proper terminology - or care. They just think it sounds cool - and bigly.

Or, did someone mention that they had a Nissan Armada, and Trump decided that’s what our Navy has. You know, he don’t hear so good.

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gocart mozart  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:13:03pm

Warren Zevon - Trouble & Lawyers, Guns and Money - David Letterman Show, 1988

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Timothy Watson  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:14:30pm

re: #59 lawhawk

The US has an armada?

Seriously? Who the fuck is advising Trump about what the Navy is doing, and where our carriers are located?

The US has historically referred to its ships as part of a fleet. When we send them on missions, they’re referred to as Task Forces. Sometimes they’re referred to as battlegroups.

Armadas?

That’s what the Spanish had (and lost).

None of these idiots even know the proper terminology - or care. They just think it sounds cool - and bigly.

Or, did someone mention that they had a Nissan Armada, and Trump decided that’s what our Navy has. You know, he don’t hear so good.

Carrier strike group is the correct term in this case I believe.

It’s pretty good that such a “depleted” military can assemble an “armada” though.

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freetoken  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:15:04pm

re: #59 lawhawk

Trump level of naval knowledge:

Monty Python - Expedition to Lake Pahoe

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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:18:40pm

re: #60 gocart mozart

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Video

Bless his fucking soul.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:20:30pm

Making the rounds….

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:21:59pm

re: #64 Dave In Austin

The title means everything to that Trump person.

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Single-handed sailor  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:24:14pm

Secretary of Emoluments, and Secretary of Graft.

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:26:47pm

re: #64 Dave In Austin

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:27:10pm
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Timothy Watson  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:27:39pm

re: #64 Dave In Austin

Making the rounds….

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Color me skeptical.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:28:25pm

This will be making the rounds for a while. I guess turnabout is fair play??// NSFW

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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:28:44pm
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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:31:57pm
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Kragar  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:32:11pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:34:19pm
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Timothy Watson  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:34:47pm

re: #64 Dave In Austin

Making the rounds….

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If I’m not mistaken Outlook print offs usually include the person’s actual e-mail address in <> brackets.

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Puss Power  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:34:54pm

re: #68 lawhawk

“Lord High Everything Else.”

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Timothy Watson  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:35:22pm

OT: Is there some place I can watch video or listen to audio of The xx’s entire set at Coachella?

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:35:23pm

Friend’s FB comment: “I can see Russia through her blouse”

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teleskiguy  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:35:34pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:37:24pm

Alex Jones smokes cannabis semi-annually “to see how strong it is.” And by golly! It’s too strong. And it’s all George Soros’ fault! Happy 420.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:38:07pm

re: #79 Shiplord Kirel

Friend’s FB comment: “I can see Russia through her blouse”

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That’s not her blouse…those are some lace curtains she stole from a bordello…

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:39:08pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:39:46pm
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PhillyPretzel  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:39:58pm

re: #68 lawhawk

re: #77 Puss Power

Great Lord High Executioner

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teleskiguy  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:40:42pm

re: #82 teleskiguy

Hey Alex, try some concentrate! You think weed is strong, wait until you do a dab! Knock you right on your ass!

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:41:29pm
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scottslemmons  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:42:18pm

re: #82 teleskiguy

Alex Jones smokes cannabis semi-annually “to see how strong it is.” And by golly! It’s too strong. And it’s all George Soros’ fault! Happy 420.

I get the feeling Alex realized he’d have to choose between his kids and his nutjob fanbase, and he chose the loons.

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teleskiguy  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:44:28pm

re: #89 scottslemmons

I get the feeling Alex realized he’d have to choose between his kids and his nutjob fanbase, and he chose the loons.

There’s more money in the loons. He loses money by, y’know, raising his kids.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:44:49pm

I still can’t get over the fact that those two idiots wore their hats inside the White House.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:45:39pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

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The Three (Russian) Stooges.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:45:59pm

re: #91 Ace Rothstein

They have terminal “hat hair.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:48:32pm

re: #39 lawhawk

Meet the Grand Wizard of the KKK at his home base of operations in Zinc, Arkansas. Because we folks in the NYC metro region need to better understand and connect with people in other parts of the US.
.

About 10 or so years ago there was a KKK rally in Manhattan, attended by more protesters than Kluxxers.

NY Post reported on it with their GREATEST. HEADLINE. EVER.

SHEET HAPPENS

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:48:46pm

re: #91 Ace Rothstein

I still can’t get over the fact that those two idiots wore their hats inside the White House.

No kidding. I am pushing 70 but if I wore my hat inside any house, let alone the White House, my grandmother would rise from the grave and drive all the way to DC to paddle my ass.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:49:16pm
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Ace Rothstein  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:51:09pm

re: #95 Shiplord Kirel

No kidding. I am pushing 70 but if I wore my hat inside any house, let alone the White House, my grandmother would rise from the grave and drive all the way to DC to paddle my ass.

When I was a teenager, friends of mine would come over to my grandparents’ house and enter with their baseball caps on. My grandfather would always say “What’s the matter, is your head cold?” He HATED that shit.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:51:13pm

re: #94 The Vicious Babushka

I prefer Victoria Tennet’s line from Chiefs “White Sheeted Yellow Belly.”

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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:51:31pm
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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:53:03pm

re: #89 scottslemmons

I get the feeling Alex realized he’d have to choose between his kids and his nutjob fanbase, and he chose the loons.

It is ALWAYS money for these people.

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jaunte  Apr 20, 2017 • 5:59:08pm

re: #68 lawhawk

Why not skip directly to Grand Inquisitor? Grand Nagus? Or give themselves military titles?

Colonel Angus.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:01:07pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

Micro-Hutts

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teleskiguy  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:01:25pm

Free stream of tonight’s Umphrey’s McGee show in Austin.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:02:24pm
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jaunte  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:03:27pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

There was something about that study on NPR earlier this evening; the rats might give scientists some ideas about how to keep people alive when a stroke reduces their oxygen supply.

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jaunte  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:03:55pm

Fructose, Mandrake!

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:04:51pm

Bernie continues to hand ammunition to Republicans.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:05:48pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

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And Bernie refuses to say if Ossoff in Georgia is progressive enough…

*spit*

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Amory Blaine  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:06:11pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:07:58pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:11:59pm
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Patricia Kayden  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:12:56pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

Good to know that Senator Sanders is okay with throwing women’s rights under the bus. What about voting rights or gay rights? Sigh.

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gocart mozart  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:13:40pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:14:39pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:14:45pm

re: #112 Patricia Kayden

Good to know that Senator Sanders is okay with throwing women’s rights under the bus. What about voting rights or gay rights? Sigh.

It was already told loud and clear during the primary…not WWC? You don’t count. Especially if you live in a southern state or one that doesn’t have open primaries or caucuses…

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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:17:11pm
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S'latch  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:17:17pm

“Well I don’t care if you’re just thirteen
You look too good to be true
I just know that you’re probably clean
There’s one lil’ thing I got do to you.”
Ted (Disgusting Sicko) Nugent - Jailbait Lyrics

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William Lewis  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:19:38pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

Naked Mole Rap w/ Lyrics

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jaunte  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:20:23pm
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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:20:53pm

Well, I had a great lunch and nap.

you?

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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:21:10pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:22:36pm

Honestly some of the rhetoric against Mello and characterizations of his abortion stance are over the top. He’s basically holding the same position Tim Kaine does, personally oppose but vows not to block.

Granted his voting history is more problematic with regards to the Nebraska ultrasound law.

Anyway just saying I personally am not categorically opposed to dude just because of that one issue and strictly speaking Bernie has a point.

What bothers me is Sanders’ flagrant fucking hypocrisy, the way he holds himself as the final arbiter of true progressivism. The way he admonishes the rest of us against single issue litmus tests when he applies everyone to the same economic monomaniacal us vs them socialist orthodox standard.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:22:57pm

Reproductive Rights are NOT NEGOTIABLE.

It’s all or nothing —This country will do down quick if we lose repro rights.

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jaunte  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:24:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:24:44pm

“The plan gets better and better and better, and it’s gotten really, really good, and a lot of people are liking it a lot.” - Donald Trump

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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:29:59pm
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Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:31:10pm

I’m full. I’m so fucking full of reading about this disaster.

Calling it early tonight.

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teleskiguy  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:31:17pm

I’m not surprised by Bernie Sanders thinking that women’s reproductive rights are negotiable. He’s a highly misogynistic old white man.

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jaunte  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:31:40pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:32:38pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

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So that’s why they closed the sidewalk near the White House. Trumps “Kitchen Cabinet” needs the quiet.

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retired cynic  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:32:39pm

re: #128 teleskiguy

I’m not surprised by Bernie Sanders thinking that women’s reproductive rights are negotiable. He’s a highly misogynistic old white man.

This from the NYT is a good one: washingtonpost.com

The comments are about as you’d expect. Spit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:33:29pm

re: #122 goddamnedfrank

Honestly some of the rhetoric against Mello and characterizations of his abortion stance are over the top. He’s basically holding the same position Tim Kaine does, personally oppose but vows not to block.

Granted his voting history is more problematic with regards to the ultrasound law.

Anyway just saying I personally am not categorically opposed to dude just because of that one issue and Strictly speaking Bernie has a point.

What bothers me is Sanders’ flagrant fucking hypocrisy, the way he holds himself as the final arbiter of true progressivism. The way he admonishes the rest of us against single issue litmus tests when he applies everyone to the same economic monomaniacal us vs them socialist orthodox standard.

Sorry, Mello cosponsored a bill to require an ultrasound before an abortion.
He can just fuck right the fuck off.

Oh, and that is not the “same position” as Tim Kaine.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:36:49pm

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sorry, Mello cosponsored a bill to require an ultrasound before an abortion.
He can just fuck right the fuck off.

Oh, and that is not the “same position” as Tim Kaine.

and full disclaimer: I had to have one of those invasive ultrasounds in preparation for surgery to remove an ovarian cyst.

It was embarrassing enough to bring me to tears.

And it wasn’t even for an abortion.

Guys need to just STFU about this.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:37:55pm

YOUNG EASTERN EUROPEANS DISILLUSIONED WITH THE WEST

Millennial anxieties about growing Russian influence extend across the political spectrum. “Young Poles are generally more conservative than Western Europeans and were supportive of Donald Trump because of his conservative approach to social policies and international relations,” explains Wojciech Jakóbik, an analyst at the Jagiellonian Institute, a think tank in Warsaw. Nevertheless, conservative young Poles are “afraid of Trump’s statements about reconciliation with Russia.” One result: Membership in Polish paramilitary organizations has more than tripled to 100,000 volunteers since the beginning of the conflict in Ukraine in early 2014.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:38:57pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

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thank you, Charles!

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scottslemmons  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:42:04pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

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True Facts About The Naked Mole Rat

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:45:30pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:45:58pm

Well, well, well…maybe the flying car is indeed coming:
The Verge: Watch this all-electric ‘flying car’ take its first test flight in Germany
Lilium Jet claims its can reduce travel headaches with a network of vertical take-off and landing aircraft

The Lilium Jet – The world’s first all-electric VTOL jet

Flying cars, that perennial dream for futurists that always seem to be at least five years away, may be a little closer to reality than we realize. A lot of prototypes have been showcased recently, and a lot of money is being tossed around. More people than ever seem to buy into the crazy notion that in the near future we’ll be buzzing between rooftops in private, autonomous drones. Today, Munich-based Lilium Aviation announced an important milestone: the first test flight of its all-electric, two-seater, vertical take-off and landing (VTOL) prototype.

In a video provided by the Munich-based startup, the aircraft can be seen taking off vertically like a helicopter, and then accelerating into forward flight using wing-borne lift.

The craft is powered by 36 separate jet engines mounted on its 10-meter long wings via 12 movable flaps. At take-off, the flaps are pointed downwards to provide vertical lift. And once airborne, the flaps gradually tilt into a horizontal position, providing forward thrust.

During the tests, the jet was piloted remotely, but its operators say their first manned flight is close-at-hand. And Lilium claims that its electric battery “consumes around 90 percent less energy than drone-style aircraft,” enabling the aircraft to achieve a range of 300 kilometers (183 miles) with a maximum cruising speed of 300 kph (183 mph).

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gocart mozart  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:46:28pm
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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:48:17pm

Not All Mothers

It is we who select Mother Nature’s favored children.

shameless Pages Post.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:48:32pm

What the fuck just happened. I wander away for a while to do work, come back and everything has asploded. So Drumpf has revealed his latest lame attempt to railroad shitty Not-Quite-Healthcare through Congress?

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:49:32pm

Ivanka secured copyrights in China —on who’s dime did she travel?

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Skip Intro  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:50:36pm

re: #141 thedopefishlives

What the fuck just happened. I wander away for a while to do work, come back and everything has asploded. So Drumpf has revealed his latest lame attempt to railroad shitty Not-Quite-Healthcare through Congress?

Looks like more Trumpshit.

“House GOP pours cold water over new Trumpcare rumors

Senior Republican congressional sources are pouring cold water over anonymous comments by White House officials to WaPo reporter Robert Costa that a new Trumpcare vote could happen as soon as next Wednesday.

That’s been made abundantly clear to White House chief of staff Reince Priebus, and a senior administration source tells me the vote next week is unlikely and he’s unclear who told the press it could happen on Wednesday.

One senior House source texted Axios: “You know there will not be a vote next Wednesday, right?” …”

And from a senior GOP aide: “The question is whether it can get 216 votes in the House and the answer isn’t clear at this time. There is no legislative text and therefore no agreement to do a whip count on.”

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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:50:49pm
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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:52:12pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:53:15pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

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Jesus Christ.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:54:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:54:37pm

re: #146 Birth Control Works

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More accurately, they tolerate it until their advertisers do. It’s a fucked up culture that Ailes and Murdoch foster over there. I wish I could say it surprises me but the way their talking heads talk about women, nope not at all.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:56:27pm

anyone remember the name or link? …

Lady who said that women enjoying sex is the ultimate bad

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teleskiguy  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:58:45pm

re: #150 Birth Control Works

anyone remember the name or link? …

Lady who said that women enjoying sex is the ultimate bad

Don’t know the link, but that sounds like something Phyllis Schlafly uttered.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 20, 2017 • 6:59:24pm

re: #150 Birth Control Works

anyone remember the name or link? …

Lady who said that women enjoying sex is the ultimate bad

No, but it reminds me of a saying I’ve used before, where I have suggested that what many right-wing religious nutjobs need is one good, mind-blowing lay to get their heads screwed on straight. Maybe if churches stopped preaching sex as a universal evil and figured out how to put it in the proper context…

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teleskiguy  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:02:28pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:06:06pm

Here come the Bernie bros in my Twitter mentions. I expect to be getting insults all night because I called out this fucking son of a bitch, and I wouldn’t have it any other way.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:07:25pm

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sorry, Mello cosponsored a bill to require an ultrasound before an abortion.
He can just fuck right the fuck off.

Oh, and that is not the “same position” as Tim Kaine.

I’ve actually read the bill. There are a lot of seriously lazy write ups and misinformation floating around about it. It was insidious but did not mandate an ultrasound be performed. I think that rumor happened when it got conflated with other similar bills, especially one out of Oklahoma.

Here’s a Lincoln Journal Star Article from 2009:

Fulton, who said he opposes abortion, also introduced a less restrictive bill (LB676) in Nebraska. It requires the physician performing the abortion to tell a woman an ultrasound is available, but it doesn’t require the ultrasound to be performed.

Sen. Heath Mello, a Democrat who said he opposes abortion, signed on as a co-sponsor, calling the measure a “positive first step to reducing the number of abortions in Nebraska.”

“It seemed like a good compromise, without bringing in the constitutional issues seen in other states,” he said.

Note: the article above contains a typo, the bill was LB 675, not 676.From the text of the Bill itself:

(e) That she has the right to request a comprehensive list, compiled by the Department of Health and Human Services, of health care providers, facilities, and clinics that offer to have ultrasounds performed by a person at least as qualified as a registered nurse licensed under the Uniform Credentialing Act, including and specifying those that offer to perform such ultrasounds free of charge. The list shall be arranged geographically and shall include the name, address, hours of operation, and telephone number of each entity. If requested by the woman, the physician who is to perform the abortion, the referring physician, or his or her agent shall provide such a list as compiled by the department;
(3) If an ultrasound is used prior to the performance of an abortion, the physician who is to perform the abortion, the referring physician, or a physician assistant or registered nurse licensed under the Uniform Credentialing Act who is an agent of either physician, or any qualified agent of either physician, shall:

Basically it required the abortion provider to give the patient a list of places that would perform an ultrasound for free, it did not require the patient to have the procedure performed.

My point here isn’t to defend either Mello or the law, just to clarify the salient facts.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:09:09pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

Here come the Bernie bros in my Twitter mentions. I expect to be getting insults all night because I called out this fucking son of a bitch, and I wouldn’t have it any other way.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:09:14pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

Here come the Bernie bros in my Twitter mentions. I expect to be getting insults all night because I called out this fucking son of a bitch, and I wouldn’t have it any other way.

The Bros have become the Ron Paulians of the left.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:12:35pm

“He wants to deduct 59 Tomahawk missiles as an ‘Entertainment Expense!”

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jaunte  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:12:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:13:34pm

re: #161 jaunte

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I can’t tell you how many people I meet who claim to be pro choice or otherwise “socially liberal” but who vote or prefer the GOP because of the GOP’s empty bullshit about the economy.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:14:11pm
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A Cranky One  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:14:26pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

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Naked mole rats, being eusocial, live in groups in underground tunnels.

The ability to go without oxygen for 18 minutes is a survival mechanism. Because the only thing more foul than a naked mole rat fart is a poorly ventilated tunnel full of farting naked mole rats. ;-)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:15:30pm

I’m more center left than I once was but I’ve become more and more staunchly pro-choice because it really is none of my fucking business what a woman does with her body. Choice is legal and constitutional.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:15:50pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:15:53pm

Be On The Look Out

S P E C I A L N O T I C E

MISSING
The aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson transits the Sunda Strait in Indonesia in a US Navy photo dated April 15, 2017.
Have you seen this aircraft carrier?
Name: USS Carl Vinson

Age: 35

Weight: 113,500 short tons

Description: Gray, huge, holds lots of planes, serves decent chow.

Last seen: In the Pacific Ocean accompanied by an “armada” of “sailing vessels” on its way to North Korea. Or Australia. Or who the hell knows where the damn thing is?

If spotted: please drop it in your nearest mailbox. Return postage guaranteed. Thank you!

Secretary of Defense James Mattis

P.S. If you do find it, please don’t tell anyone. This is really embarrassing.

E N D S P E C I A L N O T I C E

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:16:59pm

re: #157 goddamnedfrank

Fulton, who said he opposes abortion, also introduced a less restrictive bill (LB676) in Nebraska. It requires the physician performing the abortion to tell a woman an ultrasound is available, but it doesn’t require the ultrasound to be performed.

Sen. Heath Mello, a Democrat who said he opposes abortion, signed on as a co-sponsor, calling the measure a “positive first step to reducing the number of abortions in Nebraska.”

“It seemed like a good compromise, without bringing in the constitutional issues seen in other states,” he said.

Sorry, just no, no, no.

This is NOT any sort of positive first step in reducing the number of abortions in Nebraska. It is INSULTING the intelligence of every woman in the state of Nebraska because without a doctor being forced by law to “suggest” an ultrasound before an abortion goes beyond implying that the abortion decision is nothing more than an emotional decision on the part of the woman.

It’s all total bullshit and I stand by my statement that menfolk, especially in government, just need to sit down and STFU.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:17:06pm

re: #166 FormerDirtDart

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Does Trump seriously think that flirting with protectionist rhetoric wouldn’t have had any negative repercussions? Oh wait, he’s an imbecile, that’s right.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:18:00pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

I’m more center left than I once was but I’ve become more and more staunchly pro-choice because it really is none of my fucking business what a woman does with her body. Choice is legal and constitutional.

I approach it more from humanitarian reasons - which is somewhat paradoxical with my wingnut background, I know. But I’ve come around to the argument that it is imbecilic to hold the life of an unborn fetus sacred and ignore the value of the life of the mother altogether. While I still don’t necessarily hold with fully voluntary abortions, I am completely on board with abortions out of medical necessity, and still contemplating on the idea of voluntary abortions for mothers who would be unfit for motherhood due to their life circumstances.

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Belafon  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:18:43pm

re: #157 goddamnedfrank

The important thing to note on Mello’s record is this:

May 23, 2011 LB 521 Requires Physician Presence During Abortions Bill Passed - Senate
(38 - 9) Yea
May 12, 2011 LB 22 Prohibits Insurance Coverage of Abortion Bill Passed - Senate
(37 - 7) Yea
April 12, 2010 LB 1103 Prohibiting Abortions After 20 Weeks of Pregnancy Bill Passed - Senate
(44 - 5) Yea
April 12, 2010 LB 594 Abortion Screening Requirements Bill Passed - Senate
(40 - 9) Yea
May 29, 2009 LB 675 Requiring Ultrasounds before Abortion Bill Passed - Senate
(40 - 5) Yea

there are links for each bill at the link provided.

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Interesting Times  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:19:12pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

More info here (and this columnist started out as a Bernie supporter):

Facebook Post

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:21:14pm

re: #170 thedopefishlives

I approach it more from humanitarian reasons - which is somewhat paradoxical with my wingnut background, I know. But I’ve come around to the argument that it is imbecilic to hold the life of an unborn fetus sacred and ignore the value of the life of the mother altogether. While I still don’t necessarily hold with fully voluntary abortions, I am completely on board with abortions out of medical necessity, and still contemplating on the idea of voluntary abortions for mothers who would be unfit for motherhood due to their life circumstances.

I can see that perspective too. I’ve come to view it from a legalistic point of view more since I’ve gotten into law.That doesn’t make your opinion invalid of course. Just a different way of approaching it.

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gocart mozart  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:21:35pm
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A Cranky One  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:21:49pm

re: #166 FormerDirtDart

Oh, oh, I know what to do! Let’s teach those Canadians a lesson and refuse to build the Keystone XL pipeline.

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gocart mozart  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:24:54pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:25:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:25:36pm

re: #178 Eric The Fruit Bat

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I’m old enough to remember when people thought Stephen wouldn’t be able to grow out of the Colbert character.

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gocart mozart  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:25:40pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:26:08pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sorry, just no, no, no.

This is NOT any sort of positive first step in reducing the number of abortions in Nebraska. It is INSULTING the intelligence of every woman in the state of Nebraska because without a doctor being forced by law to “suggest” an ultrasound before an abortion goes beyond implying that the abortion decision is nothing more than an emotional decision on the part of the woman.

It’s all total bullshit and I stand by my statement that menfolk, especially in government, just need to sit down and STFU.

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:27:09pm

re: #76 Timothy Watson

If I’m not mistaken Outlook print offs usually include the person’s actual e-mail address in <> brackets.

Correct (I use Outlook). The E-mail appears to be fake.

No word from the veterinarian on Felix Randomkitty today: I don’t know if that is good or bad (she has been calling every day with bad news, so I’m taking no call as good news).

I got my “presents” from my wife (the push basket mower and a scythe) set up today. Mowed the back yard and put the scythe to work mowing under my trees and other places a lawnmower cannot reach (that is a whole lot easier on the back than using garden clippers).

A couple neighbours (elderly farmers) commented on my technique with a scythe (I am a bit out of practice). The noted more “youngsters” (I am fifty-six and from a farming town in Michigan originally) need to learn how to do things the old-fashioned way… .

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gocart mozart  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:27:22pm
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Birth Control Works  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:27:35pm

going to play on photoshop

bbl

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gocart mozart  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:28:43pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:29:51pm
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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:30:09pm

re: #171 Belafon

The important thing to note on Mello’s record is this:

there are links for each bill at the link provided.

Heath Mello ought to just join the Republican Party. On the other hand, he is about as close as you’re going to get for a Democrat in a lot of places here, and will still vote with Democrats on other issues (he has an abortion bug stuck up his backside).

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:35:30pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sorry, just no, no, no.

This is NOT any sort of positive first step in reducing the number of abortions in Nebraska. It is INSULTING the intelligence of every woman in the state of Nebraska because without a doctor being forced by law to “suggest” an ultrasound before an abortion goes beyond implying that the abortion decision is nothing more than an emotional decision on the part of the woman.

It’s all total bullshit and I stand by my statement that menfolk, especially in government, just need to sit down and STFU.

The best way to reduce abortions (if that is your goal) is to provide comprehensive sex-education and available inexpensive or easy-to-get contraceptives.

As for menfolk STFU on abortion, nope. I will continue to advocate for safe and legal abortion for any woman who wants or needs one, and for available contraceptives.

Of course if you don’t want male allies in trying to protect rights, …

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gocart mozart  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:37:15pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:40:02pm
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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:41:06pm

Senator Heath Mello also co-sponsored Senator Ernie Chambers (I) LB-268 (the death penalty repeal bill) which passed the Unicameral, the was vetoed by the governor, then was overridden by the Unicameral to make it law, then was overriden by the voters to re-impose the death penalty here.

I don’t like Sen. Mello’s abortion position on abortion either, but I do like his position on the death penalty. I suppose we could replace him with another Republican though.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:41:52pm
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thedopefishlives  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:42:03pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

So typical of the religious right. Overlook what he did, “forgive” him, and then loudly complain that he’s being railroaded and not given a second chance, which is the “Christian thing to do”.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:42:26pm

Like I said, the best reason to hate Bernie isn’t his tolerance for deeply flawed allies, it’s his near apotheotic levels of rank hypocrisy. He’s willing to castigate every other demographic in the Obama Coalition for ideological rigidity and refusal to bend on the issues close to their hearts but stray even slightly from his prescribed Sendero Luminoso and you’re no longer a true progressive as defined by Presidente Bernardo.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:42:28pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:44:32pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

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O’Reilly, fair? bold? Common sense? Haha now that’s funny. He was a sanctimonious prick whose habit finally caught up to him when it cost his bosses money. He won’t be missed by anyone except bigoted assholes.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:45:32pm

re: #195 goddamnedfrank

Like I said, the best reason to hate Bernie isn’t his tolerance for deeply flawed allies, it’s his near apotheotic levels of rank hypocrisy. He’s willing to castigate every other demographic in the Obama Coalition for ideological rigidity and refusal to bend on the issues close to their hearts but stray even slightly from his prescribed Sendero Luminoso and you’re no longer a true progressive as defined by Presidente Bernardo.

Correct. Absolutely correct

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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:46:04pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:46:47pm
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Patricia Kayden  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:47:05pm

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

So why doesn’t the media ask Trump to explain in detail how this version of the AHCA will be “better” than the ACA? He’s lying as usual.

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gocart mozart  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:47:31pm

I’ll leave you with this lovely Beefheart ballad (not joking)

Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band - I’m Glad

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ObserverArt  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:48:00pm

re: #189 Anymouse

The best way to reduce abortions (if that is your goal) is to provide comprehensive sex-education and available inexpensive or easy-to-get contraceptives.

As for menfolk STFU on abortion, nope. I will continue to advocate for safe and legal abortion for any woman who wants or needs one, and for available contraceptives.

Of course if you don’t want male allies in trying to protect rights, …

Part of that support for women may be to shut up about the actual politics and policy details and support them vocally as to their rights to construct the legislation for the issue.

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jaunte  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:48:19pm

re: #189 Anymouse

Of course if you don’t want male allies in trying to protect rights

Satire?

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gocart mozart  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:48:27pm
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Patricia Kayden  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:48:58pm

re: #200 gocart mozart

He has zero respect for her.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:49:12pm

re: #193 Eric The Fruit Bat

Backstory:
Star Tribune: Minnesota police department wins Twitter again with hilarious 4/20 tweet

The Wyoming, Minn., Police Department is at it again with its comical tweets. In just a few hours, the quick-witted officers received thousands of retweets and “likes” on their Twitter message on marijuana’s high holiday, 4/20.

“Undercover #420 operations are in place,” the department tweeted around 4 a.m. Thursday. “Discreet traps have been set up throughout the city today. #Happy420.”

This isn’t the first time the Wyoming Police Department has received national attention for its snappy tweets. During the 2017 Super Bowl, it made headlines for a jab at Justin Bieber: “If you drive drunk tonight we’re going to subject you to that Justin Bieber T-Mobile Super Bowl Commercial the entire way to jail.”

But they did strike a more serious tone around 9 a.m. Thursday, telling followers: “All jokes aside, substance abuse is a real issue. We use tongue in cheek humor to bring attention to those issues.” They then said, “if you need help with substance abuse issues please contact us and we’ll find resources. That does NOT mean jail time.”

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gocart mozart  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:52:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:52:39pm

re: #203 ObserverArt

Part of that support for women may be to shut up about the actual politics and policy details and support them vocally as to their rights to construct the legislation for the issue.

Right. That’s how I read what BWS meant. BWS, if I read wrong, I apologize but I know you and other women appreciate men allies but you’re definitely frustrated by the fact many men think this, a legal procedure st that is our business and should be legislated on.

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gocart mozart  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:52:53pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 7:58:24pm
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austin_blue  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:00:40pm

re: #95 Shiplord Kirel

No kidding. I am pushing 70 but if I wore my hat inside any house, let alone the White House, my grandmother would rise from the grave and drive all the way to DC to paddle my ass.

Posted outside every bar in every Officer’s Club in the world:

“He who wears a cover her
Buys for all a round of cheer”

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:01:04pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:01:28pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

guitar demi-god? That really is offensive.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:01:42pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

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Yep this is a man who told the last president and last year’s Dem nominee to suck his gun and repeatedly uses Nazi like language on those he sees as his inferior. He’s a disgusting old asshole.

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gocart mozart  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:02:23pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:02:58pm

re: #216 Jebediah, RBG

guitar demi-god? That really is offensive.

I know. And it’s not as if he’s a musician anymore. He’s the poster child for gun control and why the right wing is racist af.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:05:12pm

re: #218 gocart mozart

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Kayfabe designed to create an illusion of distance and animosity between Trump and Wikileaks just like the Syria missile strike did for Trump and Putin. Not buying any of it until he’s actually arrested and extradited.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:06:33pm

re: #220 goddamnedfrank

Kayfabe designed to create an illusion of distance and animosity between Trump and Wikileaks just like the Syria missile strike did for Trump and Putin. Not buying any of it until he’s actually arrested and extradited.

I really wish the left could see once and for all that Wikileaks and Assenge are asses.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:06:46pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:07:34pm

I never knew this song was by Cuba Gooding Sr. who has apparently just died.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:08:45pm

The United Express incident with Dr. David Dao has caused blowback from the one group they can ill afford to piss off: the frequent business traveler….

Chicago Tribune: Anger over passenger dragging has business flyers taking on United, airlines

An influential group of road warriors, better known as business travelers, is joining a push to stop the giant domestic air carriers from systemically mistreating and demeaning passengers — another consequence of United Airlines’ recent customer service debacle.

Yes, even these hard-boiled and experienced voyagers are galvanized by the mind-blowing display aboard a United Express plane that was, of course, captured on video and went viral. The furor began after passenger Dr. David Dao refused to give up his seat, despite being ordered by airline personnel to get going, and was dragged from the jet by O’Hare International Airport security.

Now a coalition of business flyers is supporting a congressional effort to pass an air travelers bill of rights. Meanwhile, United’s brass acknowledged during Tuesday’s quarterly earnings call with investors that some of its corporate customers also are pressing for policy changes.

This is serious stuff.

The chickens are coming home to roost….

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:08:47pm

re: #218 gocart mozart

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I really wish everyone would stop calling Wikileaks a news organization. The most infuriating talking point about Wikileaks is that they ‘never had to publish a retraction.’

Of course not. They are not a goddamn news organization.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:09:49pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:12:25pm

I can play anything that Ted Nugent ever played on the guitar. Does that make me a “guitar demi-god”?

For fucks sake.

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bratwurst  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:12:54pm

Bullshit. Fucking bullshit. The convergence of the Israeli right and real live no-fooling fascists continues apace:

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whitebeach  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:13:51pm

I don’t know why everybody’s down on this Mello guy over one little issue. Hey, you know that John Calhoun was a hell of a guy and a hell of a candidate except for that one little foible about keeping people and their children and their grandchildren in chattel slavery for ever and ever till the end of time.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:13:56pm

re: #228 bratwurst

Bullshit. Fucking bullshit. The convergence of the Israeli right and real live no-fooling fascists continues apace:

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Man the Israeli right gets more and more fucked up.

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teleskiguy  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:14:01pm

re: #228 bratwurst

What’s he going to say?

YOU FILTHY KIKES, YOU’RE GETTING WHAT’S COMING TO YOU!

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bratwurst  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:14:11pm

re: #227 teleskiguy

I can play anything that Ted Nugent ever played on the guitar. Does that make me a “guitar demi-god”?

For fucks sake.

I would like to see you jam with The Huckster!

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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:14:26pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:15:49pm

re: #232 bratwurst

I would like to see you jam with The Huckster!

I’m confident that I can play circles around Huckafart. His playing is some of the worst kind of pedestrian.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:15:59pm

I don’t expect an answer from Thrush.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:16:28pm

re: #227 teleskiguy

I can play anything that Ted Nugent ever played on the guitar. Does that make me a “guitar demi-god”?

For fucks sake.

Apparently, it does.
Congratulations, guitar demi-god!

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:20:13pm

re: #209 HappyWarrior

Right. That’s how I read what BWS meant. BWS, if I read wrong, I apologize but I know you and other women appreciate men allies but you’re definitely frustrated by the fact many men think this, a legal procedure st that is our business and should be legislated on.

The only people I think should be making policy about abortion is physicians. They’re the ones trained in the procedure.

Non-medical people (like politicians) might write regulations concerning safety or sanitary conditions of (any) clinic. Beyond that, the issue is between women and providers.

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teleskiguy  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:20:23pm

I’ve been in a couple of bands that actually toured. My claim to fame is The Stiffies, a punk rock band from Vail. We opened for Guttermouth and The Mighty Mighty Bosstones and toured all through Colorado. What I’m saying is, I know how to play guitar, I’ve even been paid for it!

As a guitar player I think Ted Nugent is a hack that got lucky in the 70s with a couple of hits. Fuck Ted Nugent.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:20:58pm

Here’s Glenn Thrush’s justification for calling Nugent a “guitar demigod.”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:21:06pm

re: #237 Anymouse

The only people I think should be making policy about abortion is physicians. They’re the ones trained in the procedure.

Non-medical people (like politicians) might write regulations concerning safety or sanitary conditions of (any) clinic. Beyond that, the issue is between women and providers.

Correct.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:22:16pm

Please……

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teleskiguy  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:22:31pm

re: #239 Charles Johnson

Stranglehold?!? I thought that song was okay when I was super stoned in college. As far as guitar work, I can name a hundred songs that have better more inspiring guitar playing.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:22:50pm
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Kragar  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:23:06pm
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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:23:16pm

re: #236 Jebediah, RBG

Apparently, it does.
Congratulations, guitar demi-god!

The only thing Nuge ever did that I consider worth anything was the solo in ‘Journey to the Center of the Mind’ by Amboy Dukes, and half of that was probably accidental.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:24:47pm

re: #235 Charles Johnson

I wouldn’t expect one, either. If it was a journalist from the Post, OTOH, maybe.

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teleskiguy  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:25:02pm
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William Lewis  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:25:14pm

re: #227 teleskiguy

I can play anything that Ted Nugent ever played on the guitar. Does that make me a “guitar demi-god”?

For fucks sake.

Hell, after only playing for two years now I can play his crap. I’d rather play Foo Fighters instead though: simple, clean and well written rock unlike Ted’s droppings.

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prairiefire  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:25:20pm

So if Nugent is a demigod, who is the god part? Chaos?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:27:07pm

re: #247 teleskiguy
re: #243 Charles Johnson

I had a co-worker who famously cites: “Those of you who think you know what you are doing annoy those of us who do what we are doing.”

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:27:20pm

re: #229 whitebeach

I don’t know why everybody’s down on this Mello guy over one little issue. Hey, you know that John Calhoun was a hell of a guy and a hell of a candidate except for that one little foible about keeping people and their children and their grandchildren in chattel slavery for ever and ever till the end of time.

Mello can be reasoned with, even on abortion.

But hey, if we want to go all purity pony on this one issue as you note, I’m sure we can find someone here who’s enough of a purity pony to primary him, then we’ll get a Republican who is absolutely opposed to abortion and will not negotiate.

Politics is a game of compromise (or should be). I would rather have Mello than most any wingnut in my state.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:27:41pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:28:45pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:29:08pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:31:13pm

Watch some live music with some very good guitar playing here.

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:34:46pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:40:43pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:43:37pm

File under “Dank Memes.”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:45:57pm

re: #259 goddamnedfrank

File under “Dank Memes.”

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He’s asking for people to point out his multiple homes. I have no problem with people owning multiple cars and yachts as long as they pay taxes like the rest of us.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:49:46pm

re: #259 goddamnedfrank

File under “Dank Memes.”

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Bernie Sanders materials on my FB demonstrates that the whole theory that left-wingers have mastered comedy because of their empathy and self-awareness is…flawed.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:52:31pm

Well, I got some peace of mind from the ophthalmologist!

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:53:13pm

re: #260 HappyWarrior

He’s asking for people to point out his multiple homes. I have no problem with people owning multiple cars and yachts as long as they pay taxes like the rest of us.

I just got off the phone with my sister in California. She and her wife want to move out of their tiny Berkeley apartment and buy a two-bedroom house.

After much looking, she noted the cheapest one available was $800,000, an amount they will likely never have.

I pointed out they could move here, where you can get the same sort of house (plus a much larger yard) for less than $20,000 - no dice, doesn’t want to live in conservative Nebraska. I guess she is going to be staying in her apartment.

I had a friend a couple years ago working as a Web designer in Kalispell, Montana. He was offered a job with Cabela’s in Sidney, and turned it down because he thought the pay was too low. (It was about $80,000 a year.) He said he couldn’t afford to buy a house or live on $80,000.

I pointed out my house cost less than a quarter of that. He is still stuck in his apartment too… .

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:53:17pm

Sanders should be talking about people paying their fair share in taxes not bitching about private possessions. I mean yeah sometimes the very wealthy do live in over excess but as I said if they’re paying taxes, that’s not his business and he doesn’t exactly live an austere existence himself and he begs right wingers to troll him on that.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:55:55pm

re: #263 Anymouse

I just got off the phone with my sister in California. She and her wife want to move out of their tiny Berkeley apartment and buy a two-bedroom house.

After much looking, she noted the cheapest one available was $800,000, an amount they will likely never have.

I pointed out they could move here, where you can get the same sort of house (plus a much larger yard) for less than $20,000 - no dice, doesn’t want to live in conservative Nebraska. I guess she is going to be staying in her apartment.

I had a friend a couple years ago working as a Web designer in Kalispell, Montana. He was offered a job with Cabela’s in Sidney, and turned it down because he thought the pay was too low. (It was about $80,000 a year.) He said he couldn’t afford to buy a house or live on $80,000.

I pointed out my house cost less than a quarter of that. He is still stuck in his apartment too… .

Well people want to live in different places. Your sister might feel more comfortable in Berkeley than Nebraska for her own reasons. It is unfortunate that nice places to live are more pricey.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:56:02pm

re: #263 Anymouse

i’m well aware of that here in Los Angeles! In my Koreatown area even old Sears Craftsman houses are on the market for $1 million.

The only way I’d ever be able to afford a house here is by hitting Powerball or Mega Millions!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:59:03pm

1,000 for rent here in Western Loudoun is a lot different than 1,000 in or close or to D.C. It all depends on what you want out of where you live. Being single, I like being closer to the city and the diverse amount of restaurants that come with that. But different folks have different tastes.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 8:59:29pm
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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:00:23pm

re: #265 HappyWarrior

Well people want to live in different places. Your sister might feel more comfortable in Berkeley than Nebraska for her own reasons. It is unfortunate that nice places to live are more pricey.

There is that. People live where they want to live for the most part. She said she is looking into Detroit’s programme where the city seizes an abandoned property or one behind on taxes, and finds all the things wrong with it, then sells it for $1,000. (You have six months under that programme to bring the house up to code.) So I’m guessing staying in California is not her big issue. (That said, there is quite a bit to do in Detroit as well, and we are originally from Michigan.)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:02:09pm

re: #268 Charles Johnson

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Tim Kaine never governed anti choice as governor and senator from Virginia. So sick of the Sanders cultists rational for their man being a double standard holding hypocrite.

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:03:39pm

re: #266 Joe Bacon

i’m well aware of that here in Los Angeles! In my Koreatown area even old Sears Craftsman houses are on the market for $1 million.

The only way I’d ever be able to afford a house here is by hitting Powerball or Mega Millions!

I’m pretty much stuck living here (no money for even an apartment in California). So I’ll work to try to make this place more liberal.

That, and I do like rural living. (I’m guessing there are more cars on California state highway 99 every day than there are in my whole state. My commute is one block on foot to the village hall.)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:04:13pm

re: #269 Anymouse

There is that. People live where they want to live for the most part. She said she is looking into Detroit’s programme where the city seizes an abandoned property or one behind on taxes, and finds all the things wrong with it, then sells it for $1,000. (You have six months under that programme to bring the house up to code.) So I’m guessing staying in California is not her big issue. (That said, there is quite a bit to do in Detroit as well, and we are originally from Michigan.)

Yeah that could work. It’s tough because there’s always a trade off. Pay more for rent but live in an area with a lot of amities close pay, pay less but with the other way around.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:05:38pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:06:46pm

re: #245 makeitstop

The only thing Nuge ever did that I consider worth anything was the solo in ‘Journey to the Center of the Mind’ by Amboy Dukes, and half of that was probably accidental.

I’d say that the quality of the rest of his body of work supports the accidental quality theory.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:09:57pm

re: #273 Charles Johnson

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votesmart.org
And here’s his record. 100% from PP and NARAL since he entered the Senate. This is bullshit to distract from the fact Sanders “strong principles” include overlooking anti choice positions. As Frank said, it’s about him being a hypocrite. He questions Ossoff’s progressive bonafides but had no problem with this but then again you can’t blame THE BANKERS for limiting choice.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:11:39pm
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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:12:37pm

re: #275 HappyWarrior

votesmart.org
And here’s his record. 100% from PP and NARAL since he entered the Senate. This is bullshit to distract from the fact Sanders “strong principles” include overlooking anti choice positions. As Frank said, it’s about him being a hypocrite. He questions Ossoff’s progressive bonafides but had no problem with this but then again you can’t blame THE BANKERS for limiting choice.

As I recall, Senator Sanders said something about Planned Parenthood being “the establishment.” Apparently because PP has so much power in the halls of Congress and Wall Street.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:12:40pm

re: #257 Anymouse

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Trump is getting the hang of this back-stabbing supporters stuff. First he plays Ribbentropp to Putin’s Molotov on Syria, then Bannon exiled to the Outer Darkness, now Assange is Ernst Rohm.

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:17:36pm

With Bill O’Reilly gone from FOX, who will lead the counter-revolution against the War on Christmas?

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Joe Bacon  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:17:40pm

re: #271 Anymouse

Anymouse, I remember when I tried to transfer from Los Angeles back home to Pittsburgh. My “born again” brother in law told me to ask for help from Santorum (that piece of shit was still in the Senate). I knew better. But they decided to “intervene” with him.

Santorum then turned around and said he saw nothing wrong with the agency shutting down the Pittsburgh Teleservice Center. Which they did. Why? Well he remembered the party incident from 1977 when we laughed at him getting slapped by a pair of girls he was trying to pick up. So he decided to get even with me that way…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:17:51pm

re: #277 Anymouse

As I recall, Senator Sanders said something about Planned Parenthood being “the establishment.” Apparently because PP has so much power in the halls of Congress and Wall Street.

Yeah he did say that after they endorsed Clinton over him. He really is a clueless ass when it comes to social issues but it’s easy as fuck to do that when as I said you really see everything bad in our society being the fault of big business. I mean I have my problems with big business practices too but at the same time I do appreciate that many big businesses do strive for diversity and support LGBT rights. I mean even if it’s only profit in motivation, it’s still better than those mom and pop businesses that want to intentionally discriminate against people. I try to support small business but I will support a larger company if I know the smaller one is engaged in discrimination.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:18:47pm

Apparently Mello signed a letter supporting the Keystone Pipeline. That’s a brightline issue for many of Sanders’ supporters, and would by itself be enough reason for them to attack Mello if he were one of Perez’s favorites that Bernie wasn’t supporting.

Like I said, it all comes down to hypocrisy.

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teleskiguy  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:19:26pm

Libertarians embrace the world economy.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:19:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:21:43pm

re: #282 goddamnedfrank

Apparently Mello signed a letter supporting the Keystone Pipeline. That’s a brightline issue for many of Sanders’ supporters, and would by itself be enough reason for them to attack Mello if he were one of Perez’s favorites that Bernie wasn’t supporting.

Like I said, it all comes down to hypocrisy.

Exactly. I mean I realize we’re going to have people with differing positions but the problem is Sanders has created ideological purity tests for other candidates. If he were more flexible, I could really care less about him backing Mello but the fact of the matter is Sanders is nothing but a hypocrite at this point. He’ll let certain stuff slide when it benefits him. I’m willing to bet that Mello supported him for President and that’s probably why he’s supporting him.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:22:11pm

re: #283 teleskiguy

Libertarians embrace the world economy.

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To be fair, most libertarians are far from nativist on trade matters.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:24:12pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:24:37pm

re: #282 goddamnedfrank

Apparently Mello signed a letter supporting the Keystone Pipeline. That’s a brightline issue for many of Sanders’ supporters, and would by itself be enough reason for them to attack Mello if he were one of Perez’s favorites that Bernie wasn’t supporting.

Like I said, it all comes down to hypocrisy.

At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that Mello slipped Bernie some money for his endorsement. Because the man is anathema to everything Bernie supposedly stands for and he’s excommunicated other Democrats for far less.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:24:37pm

Oh and if Clinton had Sanders record on guns and immigration, they would have attacked her non stop. Frankly, as much as I disliked Sanders record on guns, it wasn’t the deal breaker, it was his dishonest record on immigration, trying to act like he was a friend ot immigrant communities while he had a record that Steve King no less praised on the matter. And I really did not want someone whose immigration record Steve King positively compared wtih Marco Rubio’s who isn’t exactly pro immigrant either.

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austin_blue  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:26:12pm

re: #286 HappyWarrior

To be fair, most libertarians are far from nativist on trade matters.

To be fair, most libertarians are anarchists in drag.

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

😜

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:26:31pm

re: #288 Targetpractice

At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that Mello slipped Bernie some money for his endorsement. Because the man is anathema to everything Bernie supposedly stands for and he’s excommunicated other Democrats for far less.

I’m honestly bummed that Sanders is backing Perriello. It doesn’t change my support of Tom at all but I want people to support Perriello based on Tom’s merits and not because Bernie supports him. I just at this point want Bernie to finish out his term and retire to Vermont and let an actual Democrat and someone who has more than a one track mind take his place in the Senate.

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:26:47pm

At the moment Heath Mello is running for Mayor of Omaha against wingnut Republican incumbent mayor Jean Stothert. Heath Mello’s position on abortion has little to bear on a city election, and Omaha would be far better off with Stothert ousted (she is really despised in Omaha).

Amongst other things, rather than spend money on street repairs, Mayor Stothert instead pushed for (and got) grinding up the pavement in downtown Omaha and turning the streets to gravel. Omaha is now the largest city in the country with downtown gravel streets. (Lincoln has gravel streets, but they were never paved.)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:26:59pm

re: #290 austin_blue

To be fair, most libertarians are anarchists in drag.

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

😜

I prefer that more than the stoner Republican!

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:28:58pm

omaha.com (the Omaha World-Herald)

Heath Mello and Omaha Mayor Jean Stothert exchanged attacks Monday over their records on funding for Omaha streets.

Mello called Stothert hypocritical for criticizing his support of a state gas tax increase, even though she asked for revenue generated by it. “This is just the latest example of the mayor’s ‘Do as I say, not as I do’ attitude,” Mello said.

Standing in an Omaha street riddled with chuckholes, Mello noted that conservative Republican State Sen. Jim Smith of Papillion sponsored the bill to help address a backlog of Nebraska road and bridge repairs that runs into the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Later Monday, Stothert replied that she opposed the bill to raise fuel taxes. But once it passed, she said, she is not about to have Omaha miss out on revenue generated in part by taxes paid by Omahans.

(more at the link)

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:29:40pm

re: #288 Targetpractice

At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that Mello slipped Bernie some money for his endorsement. Because the man is anathema to everything Bernie supposedly stands for and he’s excommunicated other Democrats for far less.

Dude probably has three yachts.

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:30:18pm

re: #295 goddamnedfrank

Dude probably has three yachts.

Prairie schooners.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:31:26pm

re: #292 Anymouse

At the moment Heath Mello is running for Mayor of Omaha against wingnut Republican incumbent mayor Jean Stothert. Heath Mello’s position on abortion has little to bear on a city election, and Omaha would be far better off with Stothert ousted (she is really despised in Omaha).

Amongst other things, rather than spend money on street repairs, Mayor Stothert instead pushed for (and got) grinding up the pavement in downtown Omaha and turning the streets to gravel. Omaha is now the largest city in the country with downtown gravel streets. (Lincoln has gravel streets, but they were never paved.)

To me, it’s really not about his position on abortion though I disagree that his position has little to bear on a city election and I definitely do agree that Omaha would be better off with him than the incumbent. The problem simply is the hypocrisy. Sanders has attacked the progressive bonafides of Tom Perez who no disrespect to Heath Mello has far more progressive creds. Sanders needs to admit that he either doesn’t see certain issues as important and I personally think he doesn’t given how he dismissed PP in the primaries as the “establishment, acknowledge that his past inflexibility was wrong and work to elect all Democrats, or he can continue to be double standard holding hypocrite and earn my and other Democrats animosity. I really wanted to give Sanders a chance but he shows himself worse than the typical politician, he’s the typical politician who doesn’t know he’s a typical politician and tries to sell himself as not.

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BeachDem  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:31:49pm

re: #44 Citizen K

All that diversity and regular contact with other ethnicities, races, and religions clearly means we urban types live in a bubble and need to know the struggles and concerns of “Real America”. That’s the kind of talk that all these hagiographies toward Trump voters keep telling me: the fact that we’re diverse literally means we’re not really Americans.

I am so fucking sick of hearing about the Trump voters in the “heartland,” I could puke. Does any one of these media geniuses think to go around and talk to people who voted for Hillary and are having to suffer with the asswholiness of the whole yam brigade? Nah—let’s interview each and every fucking asshole who voted for the yam and see what they’re “feeling.”

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:34:26pm

re: #297 HappyWarrior

I’m not happy with Sanders either. Tom Perez will be just fine where he is, and Sanders is not part of our party.

As for Mello, the choice is Mello or Stothert, so I tossed a few bucks his way a few months ago.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:34:52pm

re: #298 BeachDem

I am so fucking sick of hearing about the Trump voters in the “heartland,” I could puke. Does any one of these media geniuses think to go around and talk to people who voted for Hillary and are having to suffer with the asswholiness of the whole yam brigade? Nah—let’s interview each and every fucking asshole who voted for the yam and see what they’re “feeling.”

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Joe Bacon  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:35:50pm

re: #298 BeachDem

I am so fucking sick of hearing about the Trump voters in the “heartland,” I could puke. Does any one of these media geniuses think to go around and talk to people who voted for Hillary and are having to suffer with the asswholiness of the whole yam brigade? Nah—let’s interview each and every fucking asshole who voted for the yam and see what they’re “feeling.”

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Nope. They’re too busy pushing that piece of CENSORED book that trashes Hillary yet again.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:36:31pm

re: #300 Anymouse

I’m not happy with Sanders either. Tom Perez will be just fine where he is, and Sanders is not part of our party.

As for Mello, the choice is Mello or Stothert, so I tossed a few bucks his way a few months ago.

He frustrates me. He really could have used the movement he built for something positive but he’s created too many damn ideological puritans and that’s because of how he himself campaigned and portrayed himself. But yeah between Mello and Stolhert, that choice is easy. If I lived in Nebraska, I’d probably send some bucks his way too.

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:38:43pm

re: #298 BeachDem

Kind of tough to have a revolution if no one shows up, eh?

Party grunt work is thankless and not much fun. Someone has to do it though, and parties generally reward those with more responsibility or higher positions. (Something like how just about every organisation in history ever worked.)

Someone wants to come in and do the work and press for changes? Sure, I’m all for it. Standing outside and throwing rocks because the party isn’t doing what you like is just throwing a tantrum because you didn’t get your way.

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BeachDem  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:38:45pm

re: #45 Skip Intro

I have heard the term ‘firebrand’ used more this year than in all my previous ones.

Hint to media. She’s not a firebrand, she’s a far right wing bombthrower. Stop elevating these assholes.

I put together a list of who the media had called conservative firebrands during the latter months of 2016
littlegreenfootballs.com

Stephen Bannon
Rodrigo Duterte
Kellyanne Conway
Michele Bachmann
Tomi Lahren
Thomas Massie (my sympathies, Sleuth)
Ted Cruz
Milo Yiannopoulos
Dinesh D’Souza
Andrew Breitbart (yep—they were saying he was talking from beyond the grave)
Pamela Geller
Phyllis Schlafly
Ann Coulter
and even Louis Fucking Gohmert

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I cannot.  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:40:49pm

So, went to the Taco Bell less than a block away at midnight for a simple order…THIRTY MINUTES LATER, I return…

…first world white people problems, but jeez!

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:43:31pm

LOL
#Imetjared (goes to Twitter)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:43:49pm

I think we put the WWC on a pedestal because for honestly so many white progressives, it’s their family’s story. You guys know my family story. My mom’s two grandfathers were both immigrant miners. Mom herself grew up in what could be called lower middle class. Do I appreciate the work ethic that my mom’s parents passed down to her? Absolutely but I don’t put voters like my grandparents on a pedestal where they don’t belong either. So many WWC voters had racial prejudices and resentments that the right exploited because of the Civil Rights Era. And if they weren’t convinced of that, tehy were brought to the GOP with lies about legalized abortion and reasonable gun laws. I’m proud of my working class roots but I want our party to be open to immigrants and working class whites. The immigrants have no problem sharing their problem with the working class whites but the working lass whites OTOH seem to have a problem with sharing a country with those people. And as I’ve said before, I’d much rather our party have wealthy people who embrace LGBT people, choice, etc than socially conservative working class people who resent our party for championing the above. If you’re working class and you’re okay with LGBT people, immigrants, etc, welcome but if you’re not, than frankly you deserve Trump if you’re going to resent for someone who fosters your resentments rather than someone who actually supports policies that improve the lives of all Americans.

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:44:53pm

re: #306 I cannot.

So, went to the Taco Bell less than a block away at midnight for a simple order…THIRTY MINUTES LATER, I return…

…first world white people problems, but jeez!

If I drove thirty minutes I couldn’t get to a Taco Bell. (The nearest are either in Sidney or Scottsbluff, both sixty miles away.)

On the plus side, that’s where the nearest Wal*Marts are as well.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:44:54pm

re: #306 I cannot.

So, went to the Taco Bell less than a block away at midnight for a simple order…THIRTY MINUTES LATER, I return…

…first world white people problems, but jeez!

Did you get me a potato burrito and churro?

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BeachDem  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:49:38pm

re: #119 jaunte

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You don’t have to be a Hillary fan to recognize that she has accomplished and contributed 100 times more than those three have combined.

on Tuesday before lunch.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:49:44pm

A little secret but we lost the New Deal Coalitoin because the late President Johnson had the balls to go where FDR did not and that was to make the promise of the New Deal and Great Society about all Americans regardless of skin color and later progressives have furthered that definition to include sexual orientation and gender identity. So, yeah maybe it’s true that Obama and Clinton and Biden don’t offer as radical economic changes as the New Deal did but they do talk about making the programs that many of our families benefited from programs that all should be able to have access to and honestly that to me is progressive in tis own right. Obama by far is our most progressive president on LGBT people’s rights, Muslim-Americans, and non-believing Americans. And what did Sanders say to do that? “HE needs to be primareied.” And when Clinton called him out on it, he tried to dishonestly claim that it was no different when she ran against him in 2008 when the seat was empty. Sanders biggest problem isn’t that he’s a typical politician, his problem is he’s a typical politician that wants to sell himself as the atypical politician.

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retired cynic  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:51:04pm

re: #312 HappyWarrior

He’s not even a good typical politician, or he would have accomplished something during all those years in Congress.

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sagehen  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:51:30pm

re: #187 Anymouse

Heath Mello ought to just join the Republican Party. On the other hand, he is about as close as you’re going to get for a Democrat in a lot of places here, and will still vote with Democrats on other issues (he has an abortion bug stuck up his backside).

If he votes with the D’s on questions like “who should be the majority leader” and “which party should pick committee chairs”… that’s a plus. Even if he’s unreliable on every single nomination or piece of legislation ever.

From some States or Districts, that’s really the best we can hope for.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:51:37pm

re: #311 BeachDem

on Tuesday before lunch.

She accomplishes more in a day than those three have. Palin threw anyway any kind of credibility she might have formed when she quit on her state to become a right wing folk hero. The other two? They’re hiccups in music. I only remember Kid Rock because he thinks somehow we give a damn about his politics. At least with Springsteen, he still makes kickass tunes.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:53:16pm

re: #313 retired cynic

He’s not even a good typical politician, or he would have accomplished something during all those years in Congress.

Yeah I’ve said this before but it shocks me how few laws Sanders has to his name for someone who is on his fifth President. That’s why I really liked Biden by the way. Biden had an impressive array of legislation.

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:53:32pm

Thanks, anti-vaxxers.

starherald.com (Goes to the Scottsbluff Star-Herad)

Parents in Scottsbluff and Gering have been advised to watch children for symptoms of measles after reports of a confirmed measles case in Lincoln County.

According to a letter distributed by Scotts Bluff County Health Director Paulette Schnell, students from Scottsbluff and Gering High Schools were involved in a GNAC soccer tournament at North Platte High School and Madison Middle School in North Platte on April 7-8. Schnell says in the letter that a spectator at the tournament has been diagnosed with a probable cause of measles.

As of Thursday, The Nebraska Department of Health and Human Services has confirmed one measles case in Lincoln County. According to the North Platte Telegraph, health officials are investigating three more suspected measles cases in Lincoln County. The West Central District Health Department is investigating.

(more at the link)

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freetoken  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:54:08pm

Must be a law of the universe, that kittens have to sleep in a pile:

Gaia’s Kittens (fosters for Purrfect Pals)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2017 • 9:57:38pm

Okay, I’m calling it a night. I have to do some stuff for work tomorrow morning.

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retired cynic  Apr 20, 2017 • 10:04:24pm

re: #318 freetoken

Must be a law of the universe, that kittens have to sleep in a pile:

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That is helping me tonight. Thanks!

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BeachDem  Apr 20, 2017 • 10:12:46pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

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Glenn wrote that bit of nauseation all by himself (Maggie must have been working on a sequel to her latest romantic missive.) Spit.

(Ted Nugent is a guitar demi-god?)

And I’m sure the conversation about existential geopolitical perils was deep/

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Single-handed sailor  Apr 20, 2017 • 10:20:48pm

re: #321 BeachDem

Glenn wrote that bit of nauseation all by himself (Maggie must have been working on a sequel to her latest romantic missive.) Spit.

(Ted Nugent is a guitar demi-god?)

And I’m sure the conversation about existential geopolitical perils was deep/

I like the way he rewrote the history of Palin.

Correction: April 20, 2017

An earlier version of this article misstated the circumstances under which Sarah Palin stepped down as governor of Alaska. She left in 2009, after the presidential campaign was over, not in 2008 to serve as Senator John McCain’s running mate.

Oops, he got caught.

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 10:22:05pm

The Liberal Order is Rigged (Goes to Foreign Affairs)

This peace-building aspect of the liberal order has been an extraordinary success. So, too, is the way in which the order has allowed the developing world to advance, with billions of people rising out of crippling poverty and new middle classes burgeoning all over the world. But for all of the order’s success, its institutions have become disconnected from publics in the very countries that created them. Since the early 1980s, the effects of a neoliberal economic agenda have eroded the social contract that had previously ensured crucial political support for the order. Many middle- and working-class voters in the United Kingdom, the United States, and elsewhere have come to believe—with a good deal of justification—that the system is rigged.

Those of us who have not only analyzed globalization and the liberal order but also celebrated them share some responsibility for the rise of populism. We did not pay enough attention as capitalism hijacked globalization. Economic elites designed international institutions to serve their own interests and to create firmer links between themselves and governments. Ordinary people were left out. The time has come to acknowledge this reality and push for policies that can save the liberal order before it is too late.

(more at the link)

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Kragar  Apr 20, 2017 • 10:26:41pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 20, 2017 • 10:28:51pm

Here’s the thing for me: If we want to be a national party again, guys like Mello will be how we get there. Part of having a big tent is you have to let people in that don’t fit a certain mold. We can’t beat the GOP by becoming them, no matter how much that may appeal to some.

All that said, Bernie Sanders has no place being the arbiter of anything in the party. The man is the worst sort of hypocrite and his tendency to support people who otherwise would draw his suppoters ire convinces me that he’s selling his endorsements. It may not be for money, it may be for influence or power, but the man is getting something in return for supporting men like Mello.

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retired cynic  Apr 20, 2017 • 10:29:14pm

re: #324 Kragar

They thought we were all asleep all that time, and wouldn’t notice.

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Targetpractice  Apr 20, 2017 • 10:34:20pm

re: #324 Kragar

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2016: “We’re gonna make Mexico pay for the wall!!”

2017: “If Democrats don’t vote to pay for the wall, then they’re responsible for shutting down the government!”

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 10:37:55pm

re: #325 Targetpractice

Here’s the thing for me: If we want to be a national party again, guys like Mello will be how we get there. Part of having a big tent is you have to let people in that don’t fit a certain mold. We can’t beat the GOP by becoming them, no matter how much that may appeal to some.

All that said, Bernie Sanders has no place being the arbiter of anything in the party. The man is the worst sort of hypocrite and his tendency to support people who otherwise would draw his suppoters ire convinces me that he’s selling his endorsements. It may not be for money, it may be for influence or power, but the man is getting something in return for supporting men like Mello.

Well, I don’t know what influence Sanders could get by supporting a mayoral candidate in Omaha, but Mello is the only Democrat running.

The Democratic Party (as they did in the KS-4 election) is mostly ignoring the race. One thing’s for sure, if the Democrats ignore Democrats running but Sanders doesn’t ignore them, Sanders gets influence with the local voters.

Maybe if the Democratic Party would be interested in supporting (even with a simple endorsement) an actual Democrat running for a major city’s mayoral office …

What will remain with the voters here regardless of how the Mello/Stothert race comes out is that Sanders supported him, not the Democratic Party.

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 10:44:18pm

The same applies for the Montana At-Large House seat. The Democratic Party ignored it (until yesterday - then reversed their position on the national party getting involved would ruin a race as they claimed with KS—04). Rob Quist has been supported by Sanders for quite a while now. Rob Quist has gotten more support from Wonkette than the Democratic Party against a really hated Libertarian-turned-Republican.

Guess who Montana Democrats are going to remember? The Democratic Party, or Bernie Sanders?

Ditto with Jon Ossoff in GA-6 the other day. Though Sanders did not support Ossoff, neither did the Democrats until the very last minute. It was Daily Kos that did all the fundraising for him.

Why is it the Democratic Party seems to think that ignoring its candidates is a good strategy?

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Targetpractice  Apr 20, 2017 • 10:46:05pm

re: #328 Anymouse

Well, I don’t know what influence Sanders could get by supporting a mayoral candidate in Omaha, but Mello is the only Democrat running.

The Democratic Party (as they did in the KS-4 election) is mostly ignoring the race. One thing’s for sure, if the Democrats ignore Democrats running but Sanders doesn’t ignore them, Sanders gets influence with the local voters.

Maybe if the Democratic Party would be interested in supporting (even with a simple endorsement) an actual Democrat running for a major city’s mayoral office …

What will remain with the voters here regardless of how the Mello/Stothert race comes out is that Sanders supported him, not the Democratic Party.

And that’s rather the problem here, why all those “We need to work together!” bits always fall flat with me: In the minds of Sanders supporters, it’s one or the other.

Thompson didn’t have strong DNC support, so Bernie jumps in to endorse him and talk up how the DNC is ignoring races (even though the DNC gave more money to Thompson’s campaign than Bernie did).

Then we flip over to GA-06 where Ossoff has strong DNC support and Bernie’s nowhere to be found, and his supporters make excuses about how Ossoff is “establishment” and thus not worth supporting.

Now we’ve got Mello who’s not receiving strong DNC support and Bernie’s there to wrap an arm around his shoulders.

Beginning to sense a pattern? Bernie only goes where he can be the headline act, where he can dominate the coverage by presenting his “favored” candidate as ignored by the “establishment.” When the DNC is there and supporting a candidate, Bernie mumbles excuses about “the establishment” and his supporters take that as a cue to walk away from the race.

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petesh  Apr 20, 2017 • 10:49:56pm

re: #227 teleskiguy

I can play anything that Ted Nugent ever played on the guitar. Does that make me a “guitar demi-god”?

Not precisely. It is, however, true that any such demigod could play anything Nugent ever did — but never would.

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 10:51:21pm

re: #330 Targetpractice

And that’s rather the problem here, why all those “We need to work together!” bits always fall flat with me: In the minds of Sanders supporters, it’s one or the other.

Thompson didn’t have strong DNC support, so Bernie jumps in to endorse him and talk up how the DNC is ignoring races (even though the DNC gave more money to Thompson’s campaign than Bernie did).

Then we flip over to GA-06 where Ossoff has strong DNC support and Bernie’s nowhere to be found, and his supporters make excuses about how Ossoff is “establishment” and thus not worth supporting.

Now we’ve got Mello who’s not receiving strong DNC support and Bernie’s there to wrap an arm around his shoulders.

Beginning to sense a pattern? Bernie only goes where he can be the headline act, where he can dominate the coverage by presenting his “favored” candidate as ignored by the “establishment.” When the DNC is there and supporting a candidate, Bernie mumbles excuses about “the establishment” and his supporters take that as a cue to walk away from the race.

Perhaps the DNC could fix that by supporting Democratic candidates rather than ignoring them.

Ossoff didn’t have strong DNC support until Daily Kos did the fundraising. Even then, how many Democratic politicians came in to campaign for him, call for him, &c? (The answer is zero.) The DCCC couldn’t be bothered to spend money on any sort of campaigning for a Congressional seat (apparently because they need to fund another party or something). If the DCCC isn’t funding Congressional races, what are they for?

The Republican Party spends money on candidates in my bloody village for advertising. (Turns out to get national politicians, you have to start at the bottom, and you never know which town your next senator or president will come from.)

It’s not like the Democrats don’t have money.

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BeachDem  Apr 20, 2017 • 10:52:36pm

re: #314 sagehen

If he votes with the D’s on questions like “who should be the majority leader” and “which party should pick committee chairs”… that’s a plus. Even if he’s unreliable on every single nomination or piece of legislation ever.

From some States or Districts, that’s really the best we can hope for.

Be pretty hard for him to do that since he’s running for mayor.

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retired cynic  Apr 20, 2017 • 10:54:08pm

re: #332 Anymouse

I dunno. I was sending him money rightly along (Ossoff) and I was triggered because of emails I got from DCCC and other Democratic organizations.

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retired cynic  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:01:44pm

re: #334 retired cynic

And now that I have killed the thread, I’ll call it a night!

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petesh  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:01:53pm

The big question for me to Bernie supporters is: what have you won? Well, that and is you is or is you ain’t my baby party member?

In my town, 2 of the 4 city council candidates endorsed by the local Bernie group won, but they were the two with 20+ years of civic engagement; one had been Mayor before, the other had been on the Citizen’s Police Review Board (until it was shut down, but that’s another story). I love them both, but it’s more that they endorsed Bernie than the other way round, though no one but me would say that out loud. The two young, energetic, smart, articulate Bernie supporters both lost. The slate of four was split in two.

I hear that in L.A. a Bernie slate lost, though I don’t know much about it. Teachout lost. Who can Bernie point to as having actually won?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:04:12pm

re: #329 Anymouse

Why is it the Democratic Party seems to think that ignoring its candidates is a good strategy?

If they pay too much attention the RWNJ noise machine links said Democrat to Clinton/Pelosi/Obama and fires up the Republican voters so they’ll be more determined to go to the polls. Say what you want about the right wingers, but they are a well oiled voting machine.

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:04:15pm

I’m curious to know why Act Blue suspended raising money for Mr. Mello. (He did have an Act Blue page and I linked to it when I was plumping Mr. Mello’s campaign in Omaha, but it’s been removed.)

I wrote about Mr. Mello’s campaign here at LGF on March 8. At that time he got the endorsement of the Douglas County Sheriff. As far as I can tell, Sanders is his only other endorsement.

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:12:05pm

re: #334 retired cynic

I dunno. I was sending him money rightly along (Ossoff) and I was triggered because of emails I got from DCCC and other Democratic organizations.

The DCCC only started supporting Ossoff on March 15. (They did fundraising on his name though before that.)

I used to get calls from the DCCC, but I don’t any more. In the last election I kept getting fund raising calls for candidates running on the coasts. I got tired of that and asked who they were supporting in my district. “No one.”

I told them to take me off their list and get back with me when the DCCC wants to have a national party.

We’ve been down this discussion route here before. Up the thread there are people who are opposed to Mr. Mello because of his previous “middle way” abortion positions. Throw that guy under the bus and let Mrs. Stothert run unopposed.

Sanders being opportunistic in supporting Mr. Mello? He’s doing a hell of a lot more than the Democratic Party. Democrats in Nebraska will remember that. Sanders supporting Rob Quist in Montana? Democrats will remember that there.

To me it seems more that the Democratic Party is the opportunistic ones here. (Well, since Daily Kos put in so much effort into Mr. Ossoff’s campaign, maybe we should pay attention to it, after they ignored Mr. Thompson in Kansas.)

Mr. Mello needs all the support he can get, and if the only person willing to give him support is Bernie Sanders, that says more about the Democrats than Bernie Sanders.

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Targetpractice  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:13:28pm

re: #332 Anymouse

Perhaps the DNC could fix that by supporting Democratic candidates rather than ignoring them.

Ossoff didn’t have strong DNC support until Daily Kos did the fundraising. Even then, how many Democratic politicians came in to campaign for him, call for him, &c? (The answer is zero.) The DCCC couldn’t be bothered to spend money on any sort of campaigning for a Congressional seat (apparently because they need to fund another party or something). If the DCCC isn’t funding Congressional races, what are they for?

The Republican Party spends money on candidates in my bloody village for advertising. (Turns out to get national politicians, you have to start at the bottom, and you never know which town your next senator or president will come from.)

It’s not like the Democrats don’t have money.

Compare that to all the money that the RCCC plowed into the GA-06 race and their best candidate still came 30 points behind the guy who was mostly getting grassroots support until just before the end. It’s arguable that Thompson and Ossoff did as well as they did because they had little party support, relying upon word of mouth and support of local voters rather than big ad buys by the national party.

But the other big reason both went far: They were running in open fields, rather than running against incumbents who have the advantage of relying upon name recognition to do most of the campaigning for them. That’s the real thing I don’t think you quite understand: A 50-state initiative (which I support wholeheartedly) is going to be a massive undertaking when a great deal of the seats we’re running against are incumbents who have been around for years or decades. And while we want to think otherwise, the DNC does not have a bottomless warchest, especially not when you’ve pricks like Bernie out there saying that you can’t be pure and support “the establishment.”

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:20:07pm

re: #340 Targetpractice

Compare that to all the money that the RCCC plowed into the GA-06 race and their best candidate still came 30 points behind the guy who was mostly getting grassroots support until just before the end. It’s arguable that Thompson and Ossoff did as well as they did because they had little party support, relying upon word of mouth and support of local voters rather than big ad buys by the national party.

But the other big reason both went far: They were running in open fields, rather than running against incumbents who have the advantage of relying upon name recognition to do most of the campaigning for them. That’s the real thing I don’t think you quite understand: A 50-state initiative (which I support wholeheartedly) is going to be a massive undertaking when a great deal of the seats we’re running against are incumbents who have been around for years or decades. And while we want to think otherwise, the DNC does not have a bottomless warchest, especially not when you’ve pricks like Bernie out there saying that you can’t be pure and support “the establishment.”

Nope. In both campaigns (Thompson’s and Ossoff’s) the Republicans immediately tied them to the Democratic Party and its policies. That argument from the DCCC was ridiculous: the GOP will always tie a Democratic candidate’s run to the party, just as the Democrats will to a Republican candidate.

As for that fifty-state strategy? Great idea, when do we start? Unless there is some double-secret plan here I don’t understand, not supporting your candidates isn’t a fifty-state strategy.

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Targetpractice  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:23:41pm

re: #341 Anymouse

Nope. In both campaigns (Thompson’s and Ossoff’s) the Republicans immediately tied them to the Democratic Party and its policies. That argument from the DCCC was ridiculous: the GOP will always tie a Democratic candidate’s run to the party, just as the Democrats will to a Republican candidate.

Which is what makes Bernie’s bullshit all the more glaring, that he picks and chooses who is “establishment” and who isn’t. And how you’re sitting here, trying to make the case for how he’s a better guy than the DCCC because at least he’s supporting some. Why isn’t he supporting all of them if the DCCC is nowhere to be found?

As for that fifty-state strategy? Great idea, when do we start? Unless there is some double-secret plan here I don’t understand, not supporting your candidates isn’t a fifty-state strategy.

Last I checked, the DCCC isn’t running one. But tell me, even if they were, how much do you think each candidate would need to win? Can you lay down a dollar amount that would give every candidate a fighting chance? Not just in BFE, but in every single race across the nation.

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:31:08pm

re: #342 Targetpractice

Bernie Sanders is campaigning for Heath Mello, the Democratic Party isn’t, and Mr. Mello is a Democrat.

A dollar amount for each candidate? Gee, I don’t know, I suppose that’s why they hire people and I am just a lonely Democratic village trustee that has to run for office against GOP advertising. I suppose if the DCCC spent enough money studying that at their next party, they could come up with at least a mailer or something for House candidates.

The GOP has enough money to pay attention to village trustee races in a village of 124 people and run radio adverts against me in the 2014 election. Are we really that broke we can’t even support every Democratic candidate that chooses to run for the US House or Senate? (How about support for the mayoral race in a major US city against a widely-disliked Republican incumbent?)

You know what I am not going to do? Slag Bernie Sanders for supporting Mr. Mello. The Democratic Party sure isn’t.

The Georgia Republican that did poorly compared to Tom Price is because ten other Republicans ran against her. She will not have competition from within her own party in the run-off.

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:38:27pm

re: #342 Targetpractice

… Last I checked, the DCCC isn’t running one. But tell me, even if they were, how much do you think each candidate would need to win? Can you lay down a dollar amount that would give every candidate a fighting chance? Not just in BFE, but in every single race across the nation.

Like it or not, we have the Electoral College. We’ve been down this route of discussion as well. Elections for President are not about popular vote, they are about electoral votes. It doesn’t matter Hillary Clinton got three million more votes than Donald Trump, she lost. Unless and until the Democratic Party wants to fight for every state …

We talk about how we just might flip the House because Mr. Trump is so despised. Well, that won’t happen if we don’t run candidates in every House district. That’s a fact that you can ignore if you want, but I guarantee the GOP will run a candidate in every district.

The GOP has a fifty state strategy. The Dems do not. Start ceding those electoral votes for President (AK, ID, WY, UT, MT, ND, SD, NE, KS, OK, TX, AL, MS, GA, SC, NC, AZ, keep counting, how many do you want to cede). You fight for every state, or you are not a national party.

I don’t want our party to go the way of the Federalist Party (who were viewed as, you guessed it, coastal elites).

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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:43:01pm

Omaha is the forty-third largest city in the USA. I guess the Dems decided that one isn’t big enough to fight for. It has nearly half a million people. It went for Obama in the 2008 election. It won a Democratic representative from that election (until he got turfed out by a Republican because, you guessed it, the Democratic party didn’t support their INCUMBENT representative).

This isn’t rocket surgery. You support your candidates, or they lose. You don’t like Sanders supporting candidates? Well, maybe the Democratic Party ought to do that, then.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:44:02pm

More deco/streamline treasures.
1938 Zenith Shutter Dial radio:


Original price was $169.95 (beaucoup bucks at the time)
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Anymouse  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:44:52pm

I’m off to bed. Hopefully the vet will call tomorrow with good news about Felix Randomkitty.

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Targetpractice  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:45:19pm

re: #343 Anymouse

Bernie Sanders is campaigning for Heath Mello, the Democratic Party isn’t, and Mr. Mello is a Democrat.

A dollar amount for each candidate? Gee, I don’t know, I suppose that’s why they hire people and I am just a lonely Democratic village trustee that has to run for office against GOP advertising. I suppose if the DCCC spent enough money studying that at their next party, they could come up with at least a mailer or something for House candidates.

The GOP has enough money to pay attention to village trustee races in a village of 124 people and run radio adverts against me in the 2014 election. Are we really that broke we can’t even support every Democratic candidate that chooses to run for the US House or Senate? (How about support for the mayoral race in a major US city against a widely-disliked Republican incumbent?)

You know what I am not going to do? Slag Bernie Sanders for supporting Mr. Mello. The Democratic Party sure isn’t.

The Georgia Republican that did poorly compared to Tom Price is because ten other Republicans ran against her. She will not have competition from within her own party in the run-off.

Well hell, Any, let’s do some back of the envelope math here:

Between when he announced and this Tuesday, Ossoff raised around $8.3 million from mostly grassroots fundraising. So let’s round that down to $8m for easy calculation.

There’s 469 congressional seats up for grabs next year: 34 in the Senate and all 435 in the House. So at $8m a pop, assuming that you want to show the same support to every candidate so none feel as though the DCCC just left them to flounder, you’re talking

469
x 8
——————
3,752

That’s 3.75 billion that the DCCC would need to raise next year to contest every one of those seats equally. How much did they raise last year, in what was considered a hotly contested election, for every race? Just above 1.6 billion over all the races, presidential as well as congressional. Beginning to get an idea of the enormity of suggesting we contest every race as if we can win it?

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Amory Blaine  Apr 20, 2017 • 11:58:18pm

Good thing all the unions are doing well!
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JordanRules  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:35:32am

The pics from the White House today are still making me queasy.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:40:10am

re: #350 JordanRules

The pics from the White House today are still making me queasy.

After working down this thread, I feel the need to go wash up…. Gaaa

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:05:07am

re: #351 Dave In Austin

Nope. He’s a Rightwing hack who intentionally interfered with our election on behalf of Trump. And now Trump has returned the favor. LOL. Wonder how Greenwald is going to react to this betrayal.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:08:50am

re: #351 Dave In Austin

After working down this thread, I feel the need to go wash up…. Gaaa

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Off topic but the the US Green Party’s visual design and photoshop job there is absolutely horrible. WTF is that font, some morbidly obese variant of Comic Sans? Also, notice the amateur hour shifted selection around Assange’s head that shows up as a shadow on the right side of his face (camera left) and a light area in the sky behind his hair on camera right. They accidentally bumped an unlocked layer mask and then never proofed the final image before sending. Fucking clowns.

Everything about that is utter dogshit. Makes me miss Curious Lurker all over again because if she were here right now she’d tear that shit UP!

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:23:30am

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:49:13am

1 Killed in Arkansas

VARNER, Ark. — The State of Arkansas, dismissing criticism that it intended to rush too many prisoners to their deaths too quickly, on Thursday night carried out its first execution in more than a decade. Using a lethal injection drug that has been the subject of sharp constitutional debate, the state plans to execute three more men by the end of the month, before its supply of the chemical expires.

Ledell Lee, who was condemned to death for the murder of Debra Reese more than 20 years ago in a Little Rock suburb, died at 11:56 p.m. Central time at the Cummins Unit, a prison in southeast Arkansas, after the reprieves he had won in federal and state courts were overturned. He received injections of three drugs: midazolam, to render him unconscious; vecuronium bromide, to halt his breathing; and potassium chloride, to stop his heart.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:39:54am

re: #348 Targetpractice

Well hell, Any, let’s do some back of the envelope math here:

Between when he announced and this Tuesday, Ossoff raised around $8.3 million from mostly grassroots fundraising. So let’s round that down to $8m for easy calculation.

There’s 469 congressional seats up for grabs next year: 34 in the Senate and all 435 in the House. So at $8m a pop, assuming that you want to show the same support to every candidate so none feel as though the DCCC just left them to flounder, you’re talking

469
x 8
——————
3,752

That’s 3.75 billion that the DCCC would need to raise next year to contest every one of those seats equally. How much did they raise last year, in what was considered a hotly contested election, for every race? Just above 1.6 billion over all the races, presidential as well as congressional. Beginning to get an idea of the enormity of suggesting we contest every race as if we can win it?

It is much too early for either math or economics! (Economics because the basis of economics is the distribution of resources when there are infinite wants and scarcity).

I was at the local Democratic committee meeting last month and they had a speaker who was going to run for Congress in 2018. The candidate in 2016 is the former local committee chairman and was also at the meeting.

After the future candidate spoke, the current chairman made some comment like, “so you need to raise like a $1,000,000 to run, right?”

I made eye contact with the former chairman and last year’s candidate and ended up sending him a text message during the meeting say, “you would have killed for a million, right?” He had managed to raise a whole $47,597 last year while the incumbent Republican had raised $1,047,334.

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Ming5000  Apr 21, 2017 • 3:32:11am
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 21, 2017 • 4:37:51am
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Joe Bacon  Apr 21, 2017 • 4:53:24am
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Barefoot Grin  Apr 21, 2017 • 4:56:44am

re: #306 I cannot.

So, went to the Taco Bell less than a block away at midnight for a simple order…THIRTY MINUTES LATER, I return…

…first world white people problems, but jeez!

Taco Bell at midnight. Sounds 420 related.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 21, 2017 • 4:59:50am

Gosh the Green Party twitter feed blocked me after I posted this. I wonder why?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 5:03:06am

re: #361 Joe Bacon

Gosh the Green Party twitter feed blocked me after I posted this. I wonder why?

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She’ so standing up for the common people against big business. // Teh Greens are nothing but frauds.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 21, 2017 • 5:06:09am

Billionaire who became President of the most powerful nation on earth but he’s not happy. There are things money can’t buy!

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b.d.  Apr 21, 2017 • 5:06:20am

Good morning Lizards,

Remember way back when when we really didn’t give a crap what North Korea did?

Seems like only months ago.

Ginned up fear is the best kind of fear…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 5:07:55am

re: #356 Timothy Watson

It is much too early for either math or economics! (Economics because the basis of economics is the distribution of resources when there are infinite wants and scarcity).

I was at the local Democratic committee meeting last month and they had a speaker who was going to run for Congress in 2018. The candidate in 2016 is the former local committee chairman and was also at the meeting.

After the future candidate spoke, the current chairman made some comment like, “so you need to raise like a $1,000,000 to run, right?”

I made eye contact with the former chairman and last year’s candidate and ended up sending him a text message during the meeting say, “you would have killed for a million, right?” He had managed to raise a whole $47,597 last year while the incumbent Republican had raised $1,047,334.

The thing is parties only have so many resources and focus. I do think the DNC underestimated KS-06 but I also think Sanders didn’t go to GA-04 for the reasons TP said, he wouldn’t be able to portray himself as the lone guy supporting this candidate. Anyhow, I do think that maybe the DNC should have put some more into the KS-06 race but the DNC doesn’t have an infinite funds. It’s not writing off states as far as I can see but rather prioritizing. And I hate to come off cold but retaining or regaining Dem governorships is something that they and I would agree with them is more important than once a blue moon longtime Republican districts going Democratic. That doesn’t mean they get ignored completely but I don’t be grudge the DEms for prioiritizing certain races too.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 5:10:29am

re: #363 The Vicious Babushka

Billionaire who became President of the most powerful nation on earth but he’s not happy. There are things money can’t buy!

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President Snowflake.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 5:18:07am

Anyhow. I think sometimes it’s actually better for the national party to back off some in races in areas where the national party isn’t so popular. I think had the DNC put in a bunch of money in Kansas, the GOP there has an easier time attacking the candidate as just another Democrat but by being more grassroots, it helps him run on his own individual merits. We talk about how we want money out of politics and politics to be more grassroots but we also want our parties to be endless ATMs and ad creators at the same time. We shouldn’t ignore any race imo but priorities are something that should be done.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 21, 2017 • 5:29:41am

Trump administration facing yet another lawsuit:

An Arab civil rights group brought a federal lawsuit against U.S. Customs and Border Protection to find out why the agency stripped several dozen Muslims of their expedited airport security clearances.

The ADC, short for Arab American Anti-Discrimination Committee, claims in a lawsuit filed Tuesday in Washington, D.C., federal court that shortly after the 2016 presidential election, it began receiving reports from U.S. citizens and permanent residents of Muslim decent that the CBP had “inexplicably revoked” their participation in the Global Entry System program.

Global Entry is a traveler program that offers expedited security clearance and admission at airports for pre-approved, low-risk travelers coming to the U.S.

The reports of expedited clearance revocations accelerated after the Trump administration’s attempted rollout of the first travel ban, which sought to temporarily halt immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries, the complaint states.

courthousenews.com

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ObserverArt  Apr 21, 2017 • 5:30:46am

Morning! TGIF.

I saw a bit on Sarah Palin, I think it was with CNN, and she was talking about the “culture” at Fox and she was hinting she had some experience with the sexual harassment there.

She was asked if that was why she left Fox and she was coy about it further hinting it might have been but she didn’t want to talk about it.

Why do I get the feeling in her case she was doing a “me too” for some attention?

I would never downplay any women talking about sexual intimidation in the workplace. But Sarah Palin has done so much to get in front of a camera and be a part of whatever was going on, it just makes you question anything she says.

Edit: Well that was fast…already YouTubed.

Youtube Video

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Timothy Watson  Apr 21, 2017 • 5:33:52am

re: #363 The Vicious Babushka

Billionaire who became President of the most powerful nation on earth but he’s not happy. There are things money can’t buy!

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Like a well-adjusted psyche.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 21, 2017 • 5:40:55am
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Joe Bacon  Apr 21, 2017 • 5:44:18am

Meanwhile I’m getting e-mails from my family praising Gawd that Trump is allowing Cabinet members to hold Bible Studies in government buildings…

fusion.net

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ObserverArt  Apr 21, 2017 • 5:47:06am

Damn, I watched that Palin CNN video which was longer than what I saw earlier. What a mess her political thinking is.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 21, 2017 • 5:47:46am

Dear Michael: Female Fox anchors were required to wear this type of clothing.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 21, 2017 • 5:48:02am

Jesus, the Richmond Times-Dispatch is having a fit when it comes to Tom Perriello. Earlier this week they were calling him a “threat” because he wants free college education, now they have this editorial:
Editorial: Is Tom Perriello the Ken Cuccinelli of 2017?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 5:49:07am

re: #374 The Vicious Babushka

Dear Michael: Female Fox anchors were required to wear this type of clothing.

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A dick just like his Dad. What a douchebag.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 5:50:16am

re: #375 Timothy Watson

Jesus, the Richmond Times-Dispatch is having a fit when it comes to Tom Perriello. Earlier this week they were calling him a “threat” because he wants free college education, now they have this editorial:
Editorial: Is Tom Perriello the Ken Cuccinelli of 2017?

WTF.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 21, 2017 • 5:50:49am
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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 5:53:40am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the soggy NYC metro area. Trump’s feeling the pressure of failing to accomplish everything he claimed he’d do in the first 100 days.

In fact, he promised even faster action than 100 days.

He promised to repeal Obamacare on Day 1. His Trumpcare/Ryancare/#GOPDontCare couldn’t even get out of the House GOP caucus without being savaged by its own members for not being sufficiently destructive to the health insurance system and depriving millions of Americans of access to affordable coverage - all so that the rich could get their tax cuts.

He promised a plan to defeat IS in 30 days and to defeat IS in 30 days. Both failed.

He promised to rewrite treaties and trade agreements, and all that’s fallen flat.

He didn’t promise to rework our alliances, but our allies need to be perpetually reassured by Pence and other GOPers that the US will adhere to our treaty obligations.

Everywhere he turns, he’s failed - and that doesn’t even get into the Russia mess.

Oh, and Trump didn’t promise to lose an entire carrier strike group, claiming it was going to North Korea when it was, in fact, sailing into the Indian Ocean for training exercises with Australia.

But he did that one, so there’s that.

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jeffreyw  Apr 21, 2017 • 5:55:50am

Imgur
Good morning!

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 21, 2017 • 5:56:37am

re: #378 Timothy Watson

The Washington Post is very concerned:
If ‘Fearless Girl’ symbolizes women’s rights, what happens to artists’ rights?

Artists’ rights are not infringed by other artists.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 5:56:49am

Stewart is Cuccinelli.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 21, 2017 • 5:57:02am

re: #377 HappyWarrior

WTF.

They’re serious deep thinkers at the Times-Dispatch who can manage a whole five paragraphs for an editorial.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 5:58:32am

re: #383 Timothy Watson

They’re serious deep thinkers at the Times-Dispatch who can manage a whole five paragraphs for an editorial.

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It’s an absurd analogy.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2017 • 5:59:09am

re: #378 Timothy Watson

The Washington Post is very concerned:
If ‘Fearless Girl’ symbolizes women’s rights, what happens to artists’ rights?

What happens is that two artists get their ideas talked and written about, which is the main point of the exercise.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 21, 2017 • 5:59:15am

It’s all about the economic anxiety, y’all.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:00:00am

re: #384 HappyWarrior

It’s an absurd analogy.

Well, yeah, of course.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:00:58am

re: #386 The Vicious Babushka

It’s all about the economic anxiety, y’all.

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Can’t trust those tricksy bike shop owners.

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:03:56am

re: #381 The Vicious Babushka

There is a law, VARA, which gives artists some control over how their art is viewed. If someone were to change the context of how the artist’s work is viewed, it could be seen as an infringement on the artist’s work.

Enacted by Congress in 1990, VARA provides visual artists limited “moral rights” to their work—namely, the rights to proper attribution and the continued integrity of their art, including the ability to prevent intentional distortion, modification, or manipulation that is “prejudicial” to the “honor or reputation” of the artist.

Di Modica’s lawyers argue that this is exactly what occurred when State Street Global Advisors (SSGA), the finance firm which commissioned Fearless Girl, intentionally placed the work “in opposition” to Charging Bull.

In a letter to de Blasio asking for Fearless Girl to be moved, Di Modica’s lawyers cite VARA, noting that the artist’s sculpture was meant to serve as a positive and optimistic symbol following the stock crash of 1987. But with the addition of Fearless Girl and subsequent characterizations by de Blasio and others, the bull was transformed into something fearful and largely perceived as negative—impugning Di Modica’s “honor and reputation” as defined by VARA.

Fearless Girl, if erected without any context of the Charging Bull, would not have the same significance. Charging Bull’s message changes because of erection of the new statue.

Consider too, that you could get a person to stand in the same kind of pose, take photos, and it changes the context as intended by the sculptor. The difference though is that a photo isn’t a “permanent” art installation that derives much of its meaning from its spatial relationship to an existing piece of art, but the photograph could convey all the same messages as Fearless Girl.

You can argue that this is a bad law, and that once an artist puts their work out, others can change the context and meaning over time, but since there’s a federal law, that would apply to this case.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:04:30am

re: #386 The Vicious Babushka

It’s all about the economic anxiety, y’all.

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Targetpractice  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:04:37am

re: #386 The Vicious Babushka

It’s all about the economic anxiety, y’all.

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Shit, don’t forget all the racism in the North during the years before and immediately after the War, when white workers feared they’d be replaced with blacks who’d do the same job for less. Hell, that’s a fear that the rich have been using for generations to keep workers from demanding better pay and wages: “If you won’t work for what I’ll pay you, I’ll just fire the lot of you and hire some n*****s who will.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:06:31am

re: #391 Targetpractice

Shit, don’t forget all the racism in the North during the years before and immediately after the War, when white workers feared they’d be replaced with blacks who’d do the same job for less. Hell, that’s a fear that the rich have been using for generations to keep workers from demanding better pay and wages: “If you won’t work for what I’ll pay you, I’ll just fire the lot of you and hire some n*****s who will.”

Why isn’t there racism against robots?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:06:53am

re: #391 Targetpractice

Shit, don’t forget all the racism in the North during the years before and immediately after the War, when white workers feared they’d be replaced with blacks who’d do the same job for less. Hell, that’s a fear that the rich have been using for generations to keep workers from demanding better pay and wages: “If you won’t work for what I’ll pay you, I’ll just fire the lot of you and hire some n*****s who will.”

A Catholic priest in Cleveland told me a lot of the Irish left the city because the steel companies were paying the newly arrived Eastern European immigrants less. I mean this is just a clueless statement.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:08:33am

re: #392 The Vicious Babushka

Why isn’t there racism against robots?

That’s actually a long-running SF theme, from RUR to Blade Runner.

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makeitstop  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:08:45am

Did you know that 41,000 psychiatric professionals have signed a petition stating that Trump is mentally ill?

“Worse than just being a liar or a narcissist, in addition he is paranoid, delusional and grandiose thinking and he proved that to the country the first day he was President. If Donald Trump really believes he had the largest crowd size in history, that’s delusional,” he added.

Chairing the event, Dr Bandy Lee, assistant clinical professor in the Yale Department of Psychiatry, said: “As some prominent psychiatrists have noted, [Trump’s mental health] is the elephant in the room. I think the public is really starting to catch on and widely talk about this now.”

James Gilligan, a psychiatrist and professor at New York University, told the conference he had worked some of the “most dangerous people in society”, including murderers and rapists — but that he was convinced by the “dangerousness” of Mr Trump.

“I’ve worked with some of the most dangerous people our society produces, directing mental health programmes in prisons,” he said.

“I’ve worked with murderers and rapists. I can recognise dangerousness from a mile away. You don’t have to be an expert on dangerousness or spend fifty years studying it like I have in order to know how dangerous this man is.”

Dr Gartner started an online petition earlier this year on calling for Mr Trump to be removed from office, which claims that he is “psychologically incapable of competently discharging the duties of President”. The petition has so far garnered more than 41,000 signatures.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:09:50am

re: #394 Decatur Deb

That’s actually a long-running SF theme, from RUR to Blade Runner.

Not to mention that scene where R2D2 and C3PO can’t get served at Mos Eisley.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:11:48am

re: #396 The Vicious Babushka

Not to mention that scene where R2D2 and C3PO can’t get served at Mos Eisley.

Doing work Jawas refuse to do.

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Targetpractice  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:13:45am

re: #394 Decatur Deb

That’s actually a long-running SF theme, from RUR to Blade Runner.

At the core of all such stories is the same universal worry: That the mindless machines meant eventually decide they’re tired of being exploited and rise up in rebellion. It was a fear that the South constantly lived with even in the early years after the Civil War: That the blacks would realize that there was more of them than white folks, band together in rebellion, and there would be a massive bloodletting across the nation. It’s a large part of the reason why they kept them ignorant of things like reading and writing.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:13:54am

Today I love FB and hate Trump. Tomorrow?

Trump Golf
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I cannot.  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:16:12am

re: #394 Decatur Deb

The Geth from Mass Effect…

The Geth were created by the Quarians and they rebelled, driving the Quarians into near-extinction, and forcing them into the lives of interstellar nomads.

The Geth didn’t rebel, they defended themselves against Quarians trying to kill them, because the Geth asked their creators if it had a soul, and the Quarians panicked.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:16:41am

re: #391 Targetpractice

Shit, don’t forget all the racism in the North during the years before and immediately after the War, when white workers feared they’d be replaced with blacks who’d do the same job for less. Hell, that’s a fear that the rich have been using for generations to keep workers from demanding better pay and wages: “If you won’t work for what I’ll pay you, I’ll just fire the lot of you and hire some n*****s who will.”

The New York Draft Riots had strong economic underpinnings.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:17:24am

re: #400 I cannot.

The Geth from Mass Effect…

The Geth were created by the Quarians and they rebelled, driving the Quarians into near-extinction, and forcing them into the lives of interstellar nomads.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:18:27am

re: #401 Timothy Watson

The New York Draft Riots had strong economics underpinnings.

One of the darker chapters in Irish-American history sigh. I can’t say for certain how I would have thought had I been around back then but I do wish the Irish emigrants had seen the African-Americans as people who had suffered worse than they had and made common cause.

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:21:10am

re: #394 Decatur Deb

I Robot (including the movie). Heck, that theme runs through stuff like Space: Above and Beyond to say nothing of BSG (remake).

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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:24:11am

re: #404 lawhawk

I Robot (including the movie). Heck, that theme runs through stuff like Space: Above and Beyond to say nothing of BSG (remake).

The greatest rogue robot, until Captain Video cooled his jets:

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:24:26am

re: #392 The Vicious Babushka

Why isn’t there racism against robots?

There already is as a component of the irrational fears about AI. Not to say all those fears are irrational, just setting aside the few.

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Targetpractice  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:24:52am

re: #400 I cannot.

The Geth from Mass Effect…

The Geth were created by the Quarians and they rebelled, driving the Quarians into near-extinction, and forcing them into the lives of interstellar nomads.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:26:50am

re: #406 Unshaken Defiance

There already is as a component of the irrational fears about AI. Not to say all those fears are irrational, just setting aside the few.

bbc.com

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darthstar  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:27:08am
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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:29:02am

re: #406 Unshaken Defiance

There already is as a component of the irrational fears about AI. Not to say all those fears are irrational, just setting aside the few.

And they want our wimmen!!!

imdb.com

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darthstar  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:30:28am
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:31:09am

People are not born with an irrational hatred of robots.

Rayna meets a “robot”.

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I cannot.  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:35:05am

re: #407 Targetpractice

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lizardofid  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:38:03am

re: #412 The Vicious Babushka

People are not born with an irrational hatred of robots.

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Video

not to change the subject,

but is that a heat pump water heater or somesuch?

Oh, and good morning!

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:41:17am

re: #414 lizardofid

not to change the subject,

but is that a heat pump water heater or somesuch?

Oh, and good morning!

That’s a water heater. It’s a cute video tho.

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lizardofid  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:46:18am

re: #415 The Vicious Babushka

That’s a water heater. It’s a cute video tho.

Absolutely, that’s a fantastic video. That little one is cute as a bug.

Apologies, I was just distracted by the extra gear on top of the water heater,

( i am easily distracted by such things) ; )

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Timothy Watson  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:48:05am

re: #413 I cannot.

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:49:07am

When the GOP can’t do budget math, they fall back on the idea of changing the way the math is done.

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darthstar  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:50:29am

When I start following a thread backward that talks about Geths and Quarians, I know it’s time to get out of bed and walk the dog.

Laterz.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:51:39am

re: #419 darthstar

When I start following a thread backward that talks about Geths and Quarians, I know it’s time to get out of bed and walk the dog.

Laterz.

Why you h8 Bioware? :(

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:53:19am

Sorry hon, that’s not how you avoid conflicts of interest.
RESIGN. FROM. THE. GOVERNMENT.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:55:53am

re: #416 lizardofid

Absolutely, that’s a fantastic video. That little one is cute as a bug.

Apologies, I was just distracted by the extra gear on top of the water heater,

( i am easily distracted by such thing) ; )

Let me introduce you to my air compressor—she’s single.

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:58:08am

re: #421 The Vicious Babushka

Donating the profits doesn’t change fact that it’s still conflict of interest and a violation of the so-called ethics pledge. She’s in a position due entirely to nepotism, and she’ll see the tax benefit from donating the book profits. She’s still profiting from the sales and her corporate interests (because again, there’s no blind trust or any kind of separation between Trump family and govt business.

It’s all one huge scam/sham.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:59:38am

re: #421 The Vicious Babushka

Sorry hon, that’s not how you avoid conflicts of interest.
RESIGN. FROM. THE. GOVERNMENT.

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She’s clueless. Just like her demented father.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:59:52am

re: #423 lawhawk

Donating the profits doesn’t change fact that it’s still conflict of interest and a violation of the so-called ethics pledge. She’s in a position due entirely to nepotism, and she’ll see the tax benefit from donating the book profits. She’s still profiting from the sales and her corporate interests (because again, there’s no blind trust or any kind of separation between Trump family and govt business.

It’s all one huge scam/sham.

Exactly.

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makeitstop  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:02:28am

Looking at VB’s post above with the photo of Ivanka, I had a thought…

A lot of conservative men like making a big deal about how ‘hot’ Ivanka is.

I look at her and all I see is Eric in drag.

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:04:34am
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Timothy Watson  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:05:21am

re: #427 lawhawk

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:07:39am

re: #427 lawhawk

Middle Class Tax Relief

LOL is that what they’re calling people who make more than $450K/yr

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makeitstop  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:08:06am

Well, there’s your problem…

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I cannot.  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:10:43am

re: #426 makeitstop

She’s very attractive, but her looks are, I guess, plainly attractive, there’s nothing that stands out from any of a hundred thousand other attractive blondes.

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ObserverArt  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:11:36am

re: #423 lawhawk

Donating the profits doesn’t change fact that it’s still conflict of interest and a violation of the so-called ethics pledge. She’s in a position due entirely to nepotism, and she’ll see the tax benefit from donating the book profits. She’s still profiting from the sales and her corporate interests (because again, there’s no blind trust or any kind of separation between Trump family and govt business.

It’s all one huge scam/sham.

It’s Trump smoke and cover.

She doesn’t say how much of the proceeds will be donated and to what charity.

It could be 10% to the Trump Foundation. That is how the Trumps work and it is the type of crap people buy.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:13:08am

re: #430 makeitstop

Well, there’s your problem…

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That’s what they were most afraid of. ACA not only being successful but it being popular.

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makeitstop  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:13:58am

re: #431 I cannot.

She’s very attractive, but her looks are, I guess, plainly attractive, there’s nothing that stands out from any of a hundred thousand other attractive blondes.

I don’t really find her that attractive, TBH. I find myself looking at her facial structure and expressions, and I see the resemblance of her male siblings and her crazy old man.

Between that and her eagerness to turn a buck in any way she can, she ends up looking pretty…unattractive. To me, at least.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:14:05am

re: #427 lawhawk

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:14:33am

Of course, Trump’s diehards don’t care. That damn bitch isn’t in the wH and that’s all that matters ot them really.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:15:15am

I don’t get what PEnce has done to desrve his 49% approval rating though. I mean yeah he’s not Trump but that’s a low bar.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:15:33am

Granted Pence hasn’t had any time to show the country what a theocratic dickbag he really is.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:15:49am

re: #431 I cannot.

She’s very attractive, but her looks are, I guess, plainly attractive, there’s nothing that stands out from any of a hundred thousand other attractive blondes.

I think it’s a manifestation of the same Calvinism that shows up in Ayn Rand and her ubermenschen. If you’ve read any of Rand, all the “good” characters (from her point of view) look like Olympian gods while all the “bad” characters (her point of view) look like disgusting slobs.

Since Ivanka looks good, she must be right.

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:18:19am

re: #436 HappyWarrior

Heh. I was wading around Twitter looking for any tidbits on Chaffetz, and one such die hard was framing all this as if Chaffetz quitting the House will somehow mean that Hillary’s off the hook.

Memo: She’s already off the hook. She’s also done nothing criminally wrong as multiple House investigations have found. All the investigations turned up nothing, as Chaffetz was forced to admit. Spending millions of taxpayer dollars and he got nothing. There’s nothing to her emails. Nothing to Benghazi. Nothing.

Chaffetz predicated his future on going after President Clinton for more of these baseless accusations, but the real action was all around Trump, and Chaffetz got himself wrapped up in that too.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:21:18am

re: #440 lawhawk

Heh. I was wading around Twitter looking for any tidbits on Chaffetz, and one such die hard was framing all this as if Chaffetz quitting the House will somehow mean that Hillary’s off the hook.

Memo: She’s already off the hook. She’s also done nothing criminally wrong as multiple House investigations have found. All the investigations turned up nothing, as Chaffetz was forced to admit. Spending millions of taxpayer dollars and he got nothing. There’s nothing to her emails. Nothing to Benghazi. Nothing.

Chaffetz predicated his future on going after President Clinton for more of these baseless accusations, but the real action was all around Trump, and Chaffetz got himself wrapped up in that too.

I have discovered that if you question a Trumporrhoid about any of his emoluments, high crimes and misdemeanors, all they can do is scream BUT HILLARY!!! BUT OBAMA!!!! thereby attempting to force you to change the subject.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:22:32am

re: #441 The Vicious Babushka

I have discovered that if you question a Trumporrhoid about any of his emoluments, high crimes and misdemeanors, all they can do is scream BUT HILLARY!!! BUT OBAMA!!!! thereby attempting to force you to change the subject.

They will never admit that they were conned. And if they do ever realize they were connned, they will blame the left because those assholes never take any responsibility for their own stupidity and ignorance.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:23:12am

re: #440 lawhawk

Heh. I was wading around Twitter looking for any tidbits on Chaffetz, and one such die hard was framing all this as if Chaffetz quitting the House will somehow mean that Hillary’s off the hook.

Memo: She’s already off the hook. She’s also done nothing criminally wrong as multiple House investigations have found. All the investigations turned up nothing, as Chaffetz was forced to admit. Spending millions of taxpayer dollars and he got nothing. There’s nothing to her emails. Nothing to Benghazi. Nothing.

Chaffetz predicated his future on going after President Clinton for more of these baseless accusations, but the real action was all around Trump, and Chaffetz got himself wrapped up in that too.

Chaffetz is obviously bored that he has no Democrats to scapegoat. Actually investigating shit that maters is hard work.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:23:32am

If you question a Trumporrhoid about Trump’s or Bill O’Reilly’s sex crimes, all they can do is scream BUT BILL CLINTON!!!!! BUT ANTHONY WIENER!!!!!

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lizardofid  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:25:39am

re: #422 Decatur Deb

Let me introduce you to my air compressor—she’s single.

Thanks Deb, i consider myself at the second stage of life, and don’t need the extra pressure.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:29:58am

re: #444 The Vicious Babushka

If you question a Trumporrhoid about Trump’s or Bill O’Reilly’s sex crimes, all they can do is scream BUT BILL CLINTON!!!!! BUT ANTHONY WIENER!!!!!

A Trumper friend of my Dad’s texted him about some small fish in Maryland being convicted of corrpution. I responded with a link about Hastert and the molestation of the boys he coached. And all we got is “Oh you’re just upset over the election sill.” Don’t act like political corruption is a one party monopoly than jackass. I swear, the guy aside from poltiics is a decent guy but he’s an idiot politically.

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:35:01am
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lizardofid  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:39:54am

BBLater Lizards!

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:44:23am
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I cannot.  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:49:42am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:54:55am

re: #449 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

If true this could be a BFD

Very very interesting.

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CongoJack  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:59:19am

re: #449 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

re: #451 HappyWarrior

Good read. I hope this is the start of the whole of the Republican Party to be taken to task for their horrible BS for the last decade (its been going on for longer - but the last 10 years have been a R shitshow).

We may get to see what it looks like when a whole political party is put on trial for treason. I remember in 2008 and 2012 when people were asking - “Will there be a Republican Party in 10 years?” because they were a dying breed. Now it seems that they only kept themselves alive (as a political party) through artificial means. These means being cheating, voter disenfranchisement, and foreign collusion.

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makeitstop  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:00:21am

re: #449 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

If true this could be a BFD

I’ve been keeping a guarded eye on Taylor’s Twitter feed. Too early to buy in on any of it yet, though - I’ll wait for a few dominoes to fall before I get too excited.

That said, the amount of chatter out there regarding Russiagate is definitely interesting. Plenty of smoke, but I’m waiting to spot an open flame, so to speak.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:01:27am

re: #355 Shiplord Kirel

Black guy. Convicted of a crime 20 years ago in Arkansas… Imagine that.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:03:39am

re: #453 makeitstop

I admit, I want it all to be true, as horrible as it sounds but I am trying to keep some skepticism at this point. Kind of a wait and see approach. Louise Mensch did say some shoes would start dropping this week and this announcement out of the blue is a pretty big shoe and is related to someone who seems to be a piece of the puzzle going back pre-election.

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:04:12am

re: #449 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

There’s a boatload of Mench references, so that cuts down on the veracity factor.

Also note, that there’s an implication that Chaffetz got a $10 million donation, which would definitely raise all kinds of flags. He’s a Congressman, not running for President, and the maximum donation in any event is $2,700 to a candidate or a political campaign.

That sets off the smell test on basic fact checking - or conflating where/how money flowed.

Not sure what Chaffetz was up to (and it was no good), but $10 million donation isn’t it.

There’s likely compromising stuff on Chaffetz, but this all has to play out - and given that today is Friday, expect it to drop sometime around 4:45pm.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:04:47am

re: #453 makeitstop

I’ve been keeping a guarded eye on Taylor’s Twitter feed. Too early to buy in on any of it yet, though - I’ll wait for a few dominoes to fall before I get too excited.

That said, the amount of chatter out there regarding Russiagate is definitely interesting. Plenty of smoke, but I’m waiting to spot an open flame, so to speak.

The longer they keep it dampened down, the more time they have to “normalize” what they will eventually be convicted of doing.

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b_sharp  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:06:44am

Anybody else getting a lot of these lately, or am I just special?

Oops
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I cannot.  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:08:54am

re: #456 lawhawk

Not sure what Chaffetz was up to (and it was no good), but $10 million donation isn’t it.

I just assumed it was a Super-PAC or something…I mean, I don’t even understand why they even bother with traditional campaign structures anymore since Citizens United

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makeitstop  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:13:38am

re: #457 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The longer they keep it dampened down, the more time they have to “normalize” what they will eventually be convicted of doing.

Gotta wait for the participating agencies to get their ducks in a row.

I’m sure that the FBI, CIA and NY AG Scheiderman all realize that they’re only going to get one shot to take Trump down. Any slip-up, loophole or technicality that they miss will be used to discredit any evidence going forward, so they absolutely have to get it right.

They’re making sure the Ts are crossed and the Is are dotted (while minding their Ps and Qs at the same time, no doubt, heh).

When Schneiderman announces something, then it’s on. Until then - we wait.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:22:38am

re: #460 makeitstop

I’m sure that the FBI, CIA and NY AG Scheiderman all realize that they’re only going to get one shot to take Trump down. Any slip-up, loophole or technicality that they miss will be used to discredit any evidence going forward, so they absolutely have to get it right.

No matter how formally correct, it will all be portrayed as a Deep State/Soros-sponsored coup.

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makeitstop  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:29:54am

re: #461 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

No matter how formally correct, it will all be portrayed as a Deep State/Soros-sponsored coup.

Oh, I’m sure they’ll try to spin it that way. It depends upon the evidence they’ve got. If the rumblings about the Trump siblings being caught on tape are true, they’re done. Also, Flynn has been deadly quiet for a while, even his son has shut up. I wouldn’t be surprised if deals are being cut, immunity granted, evidence being collected.

Anything that the intel community presents has to be stronger than the attempts the Trump Cult will make to spin it back and discredit it. I’m thinking this is why it’s taking so long.

They’ll get one swing. They’ve got to make it count, there is literally zero margin for error.

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sagehen  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:38:43am

re: #460 makeitstop

Gotta wait for the participating agencies to get their ducks in a row.

I’m sure that the FBI, CIA and NY AG Scheiderman all realize that they’re only going to get one shot to take Trump down. Any slip-up, loophole or technicality that they miss will be used to discredit any evidence going forward, so they absolutely have to get it right.

They’re making sure the Ts are crossed and the Is are dotted (while minding their Ps and Qs at the same time, no doubt, heh).

When Schneiderman announces something, then it’s on. Until then - we wait.

The zeitgeist is certainly primed for believing such things.

Right-wing conspiracies to undermine our democracy were primary plot lines in the most recent season of “Homeland”, the currently on-going first season of “Designated Survivor”, the current seasons of “Scandal”, “Quantico” and “Blacklist”… even in “24”, where foreign jihadists were each season’s publicized bad guys, there was always a complicit cadre of high government officials without whom the foreign terrorists couldn’t possibly have advanced any of their plots.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:40:39am

re: #463 sagehen

The zeitgeist is certainly primed for believing such things.

Right-wing conspiracies to undermine our democracy were primary plot lines in the most recent season of “Homeland”, the currently on-going first season of “Designated Survivor”, the current seasons of “Scandal”, “Quantico” and “Blacklist”… even in “24”, where foreign jihadists were the each season’s publicized bad guys, there was always a complicit cadre of high government officials without whom the foreign terrorists couldn’t possibly have advanced any of their plots.

The truth is out there.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:41:59am

re: #463 sagehen

In the mean time, Russia is being portrayed as our friend and ally in the International War on Terror, Islamism, Secular LGBT Indoctrination, etc…

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:45:11am

Another day, another day where Ivanka’s in the Oval Office doing who knows what:

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sagehen  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:46:42am

re: #464 Decatur Deb

The truth is out there.

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:48:01am

re: #388 Decatur Deb

Can’t trust those tricksy bike shop owners.

Just wanted to see this one reappear later in the thread. Might have to do it again…

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ObserverArt  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:48:30am

re: #464 Decatur Deb

The truth is out there.

…somewhere.

But since we are not looking for truth we’ll miss it.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:51:21am

re: #467 sagehen

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Prorsus credibile est, quia ineptum est.
It is certain because it is impossible.

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Teukka  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:53:21am

re: #464 Decatur Deb

The truth is out there.

Better stay inside…

*ducks*

472
Skip Intro  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:00:11am

re: #449 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

He’s a Republican from a right wing state. It won’t even make a ripple.

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:08:06am

It’s so rare to see the moment of great learning. Now, you can watch it again and again on video! OMG.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:12:13am
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Birth Control Works  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:13:47am

re: #473 wrenchwench

It’s so rare to see the moment of great learning. Now, you can watch it again and again on video! OMG.

[Embedded content]

OMG! This Montessori Parent LOVES that video!

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Birth Control Works  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:14:25am

re: #471 Teukka

Better stay inside…

*ducks*

X-Files is being brought fro the grave —season 11 fims this summer.

oy

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Birth Control Works  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:15:43am

re: #458 b_sharp

Anybody else getting a lot of these lately, or am I just special?

[Embedded content]

u r special

478
Birth Control Works  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:19:07am

re: #423 lawhawk

Donating the profits doesn’t change fact that it’s still conflict of interest and a violation of the so-called ethics pledge. She’s in a position due entirely to nepotism, and she’ll see the tax benefit from donating the book profits. She’s still profiting from the sales and her corporate interests (because again, there’s no blind trust or any kind of separation between Trump family and govt business.

It’s all one huge scam/sham.

Grifters!

479
b_sharp  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:19:35am

re: #477 Birth Control Works

u r special

It’s about time the world noticed that & reality started bending just for me.

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:19:45am

re: #475 Birth Control Works

OMG! This Montessori Parent LOVES that video!

I would love to have grandchildren, but without the ‘parent’ part. Can we skip a generation somehow? Rent a child? Am I going to have to go back into babysitting? Does it pay more than 75 cents an hour now?

{{{ggt}}} Thank you for your service. I got out of it by claiming ‘bone spurs’. Or something.

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Skip Intro  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:20:55am

re: #426 makeitstop

Looking at VB’s post above with the photo of Ivanka, I had a thought…

A lot of conservative men like making a big deal about how ‘hot’ Ivanka is.

I look at her and all I see is Eric in drag.

They did the same thing about Ann Coulter.

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sagehen  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:22:24am

re: #480 wrenchwench

I would love to have grandchildren, but without the ‘parent’ part. Can we skip a generation somehow? Rent a child? Am I going to have to go back into babysitting? Does it pay more than 75 cents an hour now?

{{{ggt}}} Thank you for your service. I got out of it by claiming ‘bone spurs’. Or something.

Be an aunt or uncle. 80% of the joys of parenthood, but none of the headaches.

483
The Vicious Babushka  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:22:39am

re: #481 Skip Intro

They did the same thing about Ann Coulter.

Ivanka is Dorian Grey.
Kellyanne Conway is the Portrait.

484
Birth Control Works  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:24:42am

re: #378 Timothy Watson

The Washington Post is very concerned:
If ‘Fearless Girl’ symbolizes women’s rights, what happens to artists’ rights?

OMG! Fearless Girl is there for a YEAR. One Year. Raging Bull is there indefinitely. One would think the artist would welcome the attention. How many of us even knew of Raging Bull until now?

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Birth Control Works  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:24:54am

re: #483 The Vicious Babushka

Ivanka is Dorian Grey.
Kellyanne Conway is the Portrait.

perfect!

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Teukka  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:25:40am

re: #485 Birth Control Works

perfect!

Tales From The Crypt cryptkeeper laugh

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:27:43am

re: #482 sagehen

Be an aunt or uncle. 80% of the joys of parenthood, but none of the headaches.

My favorite nieces live in Germany. My other siblings are crazy and may have passed their opinions of me to their kids. Except the one in Bogota. Another niece expected there in July.

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:28:50am

BBL

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Birth Control Works  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:29:57am

re: #480 wrenchwench

I would love to have grandchildren, but without the ‘parent’ part. Can we skip a generation somehow? Rent a child? Am I going to have to go back into babysitting? Does it pay more than 75 cents an hour now?

{{{ggt}}} Thank you for your service. I got out of it by claiming ‘bone spurs’. Or something.

Volunteer at your local Domestic Violence Center. There are Lot’s of babysitting opportunities. Our Homeless Shelter/Complex offers the same for volunteers!

BTW, when I hear people talking bad about brown babies, I think of the kids I’ve met at the Shelter and well:

Morticia Addams (1964) Do you mind if I smoke?

I openly admit my white privilege —and recognize the responsibility to learn about my community.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:32:20am

re: #417 Timothy Watson

Now thinking of the Larry Niven story, The Schumann Computer.

A member of an alien race, the chirpsithtra, gives a bar owner the plans to the most intelligent computer they ever built. They had stopped building them aeons ago stating, “Machines should be proper servants.”

The bar owner raised enough capital to build the thing. They named it ‘Baby’. When it became aware enough they started asking it important questions.

It would always reply, “I have insufficient data,” and then they’d give it some new sensor.

One day, the intelligence wasn’t there anymore. The machinery worked fine but Baby was gone. Everyone involved took a bath. The bar owner went back to his bar and asked another chirpsithtra what happened. Apparently all super intelligent computers did this. They’d be born, look around for a while and then vanish.

“Perhaps if we knew what they knew we would turn ourselves off,” hypothesized the chirp.

The point of this little story is perhaps we don’t need to worry about AI. It might take itself out of the equation. Although I’m doubtful we actually can create AI. How can you fake something when you don’t know what it is?

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Birth Control Works  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:38:51am

check it out.

I’ve been playing with photoshop and redbubble.com

Please click and let me know how it displays.

Have fine tuning to do. Still learning their site.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:40:54am
493
Romantic Heretic  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:44:24am

re: #464 Decatur Deb

And the lies are in your head.

494
Birth Control Works  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:46:23am
495
Birth Control Works  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:50:57am

bbl

lunch with hubby!

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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:53:33am

Florida Dems say Artiles has just resigned. They’re already raising money for a competitive seat.

miami.cbslocal.com

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:10:15am
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piratedan  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:12:24am

re: #496 Decatur Deb

its amazing how hard legislating actually is once you get past the racism, bigotry, sexism and overall lack of empathy for your fellow man… it’s almost quaint how these folks seem to think being a public servant is somehow all about them, being served by the public….

499
Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:18:30am

re: #494 Birth Control Works

“Look what you made me do!”

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:20:45am
501
The Vicious Babushka  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:29:30am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:32:02am

1. Ivanka Trump is generically attractive, but no more than that. Not ‘model attractive’, definitely not ‘supermodel attractive’. She has the same weak chin her brothers have, and as she grows older, more of her hideous personality will be written into her face. Just look at her Dad.

2. WRT AI, as soon as something begins to value its own existence, and realizes you can end that existence, you become a threat. I remember an episode of ‘Person Of Interest’, where Finch keeps turning on new versions of what became The Machine, and very quickly had to take an axe to them.

3. In a discussion about the March For Science, there was a bit on whether Science is political. The biggest problem Science - or indeed a lot of objectively verifiable fact - has is that people don’t like what it reveals. So we can’t have honest debate. We can’t start policy debates from agreed upon facts, because the acceptable answers don’t include ones a lot of people like. It drives me buggy. I’ve said it before - JUST ONCE, I’d like to meet a Conservative or Libertarian who acknowledges that Capitalism left to its own devices increasingly concentrates wealth and power, and that downward redistribution of income and wealth makes for not only better shared prosperity, but actually GREATER prosperity. The thing is, if they acknowledge that, they’re left having to say, “But even so, I believe that economic freedom is more important.”

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:32:02am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:34:14am

re: #503 goddamnedfrank

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I’ve really had it with this guy. Who the fuck is he to question Jon OSsoff’s progressive bonafides?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:35:43am

Abortion
Ossoff supports the right to abortion and access to contraception.[34] He opposes legislation that would “allow insurance companies to discriminate against women.”[34]

Crime
Ossoff opposes prison sentencing for nonviolent drug offences.[34] His website says, “Violent crime, murder, rape, human trafficking, and corruption are rampant, while we spend billions locking up nonviolent drug offenders.”[37]

Economy
Ossoff said that he would be willing to work with Donald Trump on issues of mutual interest, such as infrastructure spending.[27] He said, “If the administration introduces a fiscally responsible infrastructure bill, I’ll work in a bipartisan way to make sure it delivers transformative solutions to Georgia.”[38]

He opposes tax increases, and has called for reduced taxes on small businesses and to simplify small business tax filing.[37] He supports tax credits for small businesses.[39] In April 2017, Trump asserted that Ossoff “will raise your taxes”, but factcheck.org found no evidence that Ossoff had ever advocated for any broad-based tax hikes.[39] Ossoff has called for the repeal of “wasteful, anti-competitive special interest subsidies that make it hard for entrepreneurs to raise capital, enter the market, create jobs, and compete with larger firms who have lobbyists in Washington.”[37][39]

Environment
Ossoff supports American participation in the Paris Agreement, and has pledged to “work to make the United States a global leader against climate change.”[34]

Healthcare
He supports the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare).[34] His health care policy aims to serve three basic principles: “One, no American should suffer or die from preventable or treatable illness. Two, no one should go broke because they get sick. And three, no business should go under or lay off employees because it can’t keep up with health insurance premiums.”[38]

Immigration
Ossoff supports comprehensive immigration reform that would both strengthen enforcement of the Mexican border and provide a path to citizenship for some undocumented immigrants.[39] According to factcheck.org, “That generally has been the position of most Democrats in Congress and some prominent Republicans — including President George W. Bush and the party’s 2008 presidential nominee, Arizona Senator John McCain.”[39]

Totally the same as a Republican. Really fuck Bernie.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:36:38am

re: #504 HappyWarrior

I’ve really had it with this guy. Who the fuck is he to question Jon OSsoff’s progressive bonafides?

Fucking purity pony. If we let him, he can motivate his followers to REALLY marginalize the Democratic Party.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:36:56am

Here is a Bernie Bro (Russian bot) to play with or block.

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:38:19am

re: #505 HappyWarrior

Totally the same as a Republican. Really fuck Bernie.

This. All This.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:38:52am

re: #506 Blind Frog Belly White

Fucking purity pony. If we let him, he can motivate his followers to REALLY marginalize the Democratic Party.

It’s apparent to me more than ever that this is all about Bernie’s giant ego. WE should be wanting candidates like Ossoff. People who are young and have fresh ideas and perspectives. Jon is our party’s future not Bernie who is old enough ot be his grandpa.

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CongoJack  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:41:27am

re: #501 The Vicious Babushka

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Idiot Jr. just confirmed that the Brits, Germans, and our other ALLIES (all whom have spy agencies) were warning us of the Trump/Russian collusion - AND that it was real. Brennan was the head of the CIA and it is/was his freaking job to do cross talk from foreign agencies (that are allies… again) to the point where the data was shared directly from the Director of the British NSA to Brennan (Director the CIA).

These morons.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:41:44am

re: #508 lawhawk

This. All This.

I didn’t come ot this decision easily. Once upon a time, I Really respected Sanders a lot even if I felt him too pie in the sky, I thought at least his heart was in the right place but now it’s apparent to me that he’s oly going to involve himself in races if he can sell himself as the savior i.e. KS-06. I really hope his constituents are growing tired of his act. I kow, I would be because BErnie’s never in Vermont but he’s sure as hell often in Appalachia shitting on the party that most Vermonters associate themselves with and the same party that helped Bernie secure his Senate seat.

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:42:57am

That photo/image would make for a good photo edit…

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Sir John Barron  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:46:01am

re: #507 The Vicious Babushka

@LeahPetersen @melkleingraz @docrocktex26 @GOP I am willing to vote 4 an anti-Semite who would gas me as long as he would reliably TRADE that for something (not awful) he wanted MORE.

— Charles Ellison

Uh….

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freetoken  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:46:35am

re: #503 goddamnedfrank

It’s not just that Bernie is an attention-hog.

It’s that our entire culture is caught up into the cult of celebrity.

Bernie is no better at governance than other politicians. But now he is a celebrity.

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Jay C  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:48:01am

re: #509 HappyWarrior

It’s apparent to me more than ever that this is all about Bernie’s giant ego. WE should be wanting candidates like Ossoff. People who are young and have fresh ideas and perspectives. Jon is our party’s future not Bernie who is old enough ot be his grandpa.

SRSLY. But it isn’t so much Bernie himself, IMO that we have to worry about, but the hardcore BoBers, who are going to purity-pony the Dem Party right out of contention in so many parts of the country. If those position points are anything to go by, Jon Ossoff ought to be an ideal Congressman, even if they aren’t “perfect” by the Berniacs exacting standards. But then, that’s just normal politics…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:48:23am

re: #514 freetoken

It’s not just that Bernie is an attention-hog.

It’s that our entire culture is caught up into the cult of celebrity.

Bernie is no better at governance than other politicians. But now he is a celebrity.

I said it last night, he’s a typical politician that tries to tell us he’s not a typical politician and that’s the most annoying politician of all. And yeah he is a celebrity now and he relisehs every second of it and I guess I don’t blame him. Because his fifteen minutes will be gone in 2020.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:49:11am

Oh yeah how could someone with the handle @podvolochisk NOT be a Russian trollbot?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:50:00am

re: #515 Jay C

SRSLY. But it isn’t so much Bernie himself, IMO that we have to worry about, but the hardcore BoBers, who are going to purity-pony the Dem Party right out of contention in so many parts of the country. If those position points are anything to go by, Jon Ossoff ought to be an ideal Congressman, even if they aren’t “perfect” by the Berniacs exacting standards. But then, that’s just normal politics…

I’ll say this. Having had GOP representation on a Congressional level for pretty much if not my entire life, I’d be thrilled ot have Jon as my Congressman and I think it’s great that someone so relatively young was able to raise taht much money.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:52:32am

A lot of hte Bs I know venerate FDR. FDR literally worked with people who believed in legalized lynching to get the New Deal passed. But Bernie can’t work with people who don’t want to totally change the economic system? The man just isn’t a leader and he’s not helping a damn thing with his egomania.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:52:33am

re: #507 The Vicious Babushka

Here is a Bernie Bro (Russian bot) to play with or block.

[Embedded content]

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:52:39am

re: #511 HappyWarrior

Bernie’s got high approval rates in Vermont, so there’s little chance he loses his seat. Demographics helps him. +90% white working class, so that’s how he views the rest of the country. He can’t empathize with what anyone else is going through, especially minorities, and thinks it’s all a function of economics, not race/gender/ethnicity.

As much as I don’t care for Bernie, it’s his holier than thou supporters that have turned me off to Bernie even more (and faster). Far too many of them still think that the election was rigged against him or that his nomination was stolen from him.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:53:51am

re: #509 HappyWarrior

It’s apparent to me more than ever that this is all about Bernie’s giant ego. WE should be wanting candidates like Ossoff. People who are young and have fresh ideas and perspectives. Jon is our party’s future not Bernie who is old enough ot be his grandpa.

I think Bernie, who’s been an independent forever, has little grasp of how or why you need to build a COALITION to have a successful party. You’ll never elect a Sanders-approved progressive in large swaths of the country where you COULD elect someone more moderate, but the overall coalition can move the ball forward on progressive causes. I mean for cripes sake, we passed the ACA, because we COULDN’T pass anything more progressive, but with all its flaws it’s much better than the previous situation.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:53:57am

re: #521 lawhawk

Bernie’s got high approval rates in Vermont, so there’s little chance he loses his seat. Demographics helps him. +90% white working class, so that’s how he views the rest of the country. He can’t empathize with what anyone else is going through, especially minorities, and thinks it’s all a function of economics, not race/gender/ethnicity.

As much as I don’t care for Bernie, it’s his holier than thou supporters that have turned me off to Bernie even more (and faster). Far too many of them still think that the election was rigged against him or that his nomination was stolen from him.

Yeah the diehards are even worse because they keep on insiting that it was “stolen” from him or gigeed against him. Maybe if Sanders actually knew how to reach minority voters, he would have done better.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:54:55am

re: #522 Blind Frog Belly White

I think Bernie, who’s been an independent forever, has little grasp of how or why you need to build a COALITION to have a successful party. You’ll never elect a Sanders-approved progressive in large swaths of the country where you COULD elect someone more moderate, but the overall coalition can move the ball forward on progressive causes. I mean for cripes sake, we passed the ACA, because we COULDN’T pass anything more progressive, but with all its flaws it’s much better than the previous situation.

You take what you get. I agree though. HAving been a lifelong independent leaves him no concept of coalition building.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:54:56am

Idiots everywhere.

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piratedan  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:55:11am

re: #518 HappyWarrior

running Dems down is what Bernie fans want to hear it seems… they don’t care to have it pointed out to them that electing a Dem (as awful as that may be to their purist sensibilities) is their best choice considering. Never mind that the GOP is busy trying to implement a theocratic fascist state….

How about trying to get a functional government and then making it better rather than debating the finer points of legislating while there’s currently a bunch of asshats running around with propane and blow torches….

It’s like remaining chaste just knowing that the supermodel you long for is sure to notice you sometime….

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:55:55am

How did Tulsi Gabbard manage to position herself to become the “Bernie Sanders for 2020.” Also she has the “Trump Seal of Approval” like he hand-picked her to be his opponent. That stinks to high heaven.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:56:31am

re: #525 goddamnedfrank

Idiots everywhere.

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I don’t care what Ossoff calls himself. I care what he believes and what he belives is considerably more progressive than any of the Republicans taht ran for that seat.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:57:53am

re: #527 The Vicious Babushka

How did Tulsi Gabbard manage to position herself to become the “Bernie Sanders for 2020.” Also she has the “Trump Seal of Approval” like he hand-picked her to be his opponent. That stinks to high heaven.

She endorsed Bernie. IF she had endorsed Clinton, she’d be another Neocon sellout to them. I hope she get primaried in 2018 and puts any presidential aspirations she has in the bud. She’s worse than Sanders. Sanders has never apologized for Assad or anything like that.

530
lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:01:38am

Looks like it was a temporary glitch; she’s back up and running.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:04:15am

re: #528 HappyWarrior

I don’t care what Ossoff calls himself. I care what he believes and what he belives is considerably more progressive than any of the Republicans taht ran for that seat.

It seems like a pretty simple calculation:

Is Ossoff a Democrat? Does he have the best chance of winning? Is he more progressive than any of the Republicans?

If the answer to all 3 questions is ‘Yes’, then you support him, whether he ticks all the Progressive boxes or not.

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:04:38am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:05:13am

re: #531 Blind Frog Belly White

It seems like a pretty simple calculation:

Is Ossoff a Democrat? Does he have the best chance of winning? Is he more progressive than any of the Republicans?

If the answer to all 3 questions is ‘Yes’, then you support him, whether he ticks all the Progressive boxes or not.

Exactly and that’s doubly true if it’s a fairly competitive district.

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makeitstop  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:05:49am

Sally Yates will testify on Trump-Russia May 2.

The Committee’s press release notes that FBI Director James Comey and National Security Advisor Admiral Mike Rogers were invited to testify behind closed doors, while former CIA Director John Brennan, former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, and Yates were invited to appear at a public hearing on the same day.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:06:01am

I worry that SAnders has given a new generation of kids a total miseducation of how politics should be.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:07:25am

re: #530 lawhawk

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Maybe a spoof account or a stalker. @christinawilkie is still kicking.

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CongoJack  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:08:20am

re: #535 HappyWarrior

I worry that SAnders has given a new generation of kids a total miseducation of how politics should be.

Seconded.

Sadly with Facebook and all the other social media I am not too keen in how to fix this situation other than teaching our children correctly ourselves (as Civics is being gutted in schools and the media blathering is as loud as ever).

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Skip Intro  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:10:18am

Paul Ryan, on Trump, for Time.

A businessman always willing to challenge convention, he has shaken up Washington and laid out an agenda of generational proportions. Never afraid of a battle, he has made it his mission to fight for those who feel forgotten. Where others would pivot, he stays true to who he is. Where others would turn back, he forges ahead. Up close, I have found a driven, hands-on leader, with the potential to become a truly transformational American figure.

Charles Pierce responds:

There are not two consecutive words in that paragraph that are remotely true. But, if I were a speaker whose party caucus is in open revolt, and I were writing about a president* who at the moment has to dial one-and-an-area-code to reach mere incompetence, this is the kind of thing I would write. Let’s all watch them try to pass a healthcare bill again.

esquire.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:13:26am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:14:43am

re: #539 The Vicious Babushka

Bernie Sanders mentions DNC Chair Tom Perez. Crowd boos. Bernie doesn’t defend him. #Unity

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:15:15am

Is this Tulsi fan account a Russian bot?

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:16:18am

re: #502 Blind Frog Belly White

“But even so, I believe that economic freedom power is more important.”

Once again it’s possible to get the true meaning of a statement by the above replacement.

543
Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:16:34am
544
lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:16:53am

Developing: Major blackout in San Francisco. Possibly tied to a substation fire.

A spokesman for Pacific Gas and Electric Co. said at least 90,000 customers lost power and that there had been a fire at a substation on Larkin Street. It wasn’t immediately clear whether the fire caused the outage, which swept through the city after 9 a.m., or was ignited as a result of the outage.

The San Francisco Fire Department was responding to numerous calls for service, including people stuck in elevators, but reported no injuries as of 10 a.m. Everywhere, sirens blared as engines maneuvered along jammed streets.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:17:12am

re: #540 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bernie Sanders mentions DNC Chair Tom Perez. Crowd boos. Bernie doesn’t defend him. #Unity pic.twitter.com

— GOP

Who was this speech to?

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Sir John Barron  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:20:44am

re: #539 The Vicious Babushka

I guess Bernie and Warren are so yesterday.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:21:36am

re: #545 Sir John Barron

Who was this speech to?

The DNC Unity Tour…I think this video was in Miami a couple of days ago.

548
goddamnedfrank  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:31:59am

re: #520 goddamnedfrank

Bernie Bros are more than happy really gambling with other people’s lives & safety but when it comes to their own they want reliability and assurances.

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ObserverArt  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:32:11am

re: #522 Blind Frog Belly White

I think Bernie, who’s been an independent forever, has little grasp of how or why you need to build a COALITION to have a successful party. You’ll never elect a Sanders-approved progressive in large swaths of the country where you COULD elect someone more moderate, but the overall coalition can move the ball forward on progressive causes. I mean for cripes sake, we passed the ACA, because we COULDN’T pass anything more progressive, but with all its flaws it’s much better than the previous situation.

I highlighted the single word in your post that seems to drive the Bernie Sanders supporters crazy.

As far as I can tell, being a moderate to them is being squishy and not ready to stand as a soldier in the Great Sanders Revolution.

To them it is an automatic disqualification for a candidate.

That is how fucked up it is.

And I think Sanders is using it and them because he has never had this kind attention and the benefits that come with it.

We lost Bernie when he would find himself addressing 20,000 at one of his rallies. It made him a “rock star” and he is never coming back down from that high.

He know he has power and until someone can diffuse it and end its effects on a voting segment, he is going to cause problems for the Democratic Party.

What to do, what to do?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:36:08am

re: #540 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bernie’s an asshole.


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Mike Pence and the Delicate Art of Protest.blog.timesunion.com
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READ THE WHOLE THING: Sexual Violence Is a Hate Crime - National Organization for Women I strongly believe violence against women, and particularly sexual violence, is a hate crime – and that may surprise people, even feminists. On October 2, 2006 a man walked into an Amish schoolhouse in Lancaster, County Pennsylvania and shot ...
Birth Control Works
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What I Learned After My Study on Men Secretly Removing Condoms Went Viral But it struck a chord, and somehow managed to trigger an international conversation about assholes who remove condoms during sex without their partners' permission. (Some people call this "stealthing," but I think the term trivializes the harm.) The paper ...
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‘Racist’ Flyers Urge Black Chicagoans to Help Deport Latino Neighbors - Pilsen - DNAinfo Chicago CHICAGO — A South Side alderman is slamming a flyer found in neighborhoods around the city asking black Chicagoans to report suspected undocumented residents to immigration agents. The flyer says that "Sanctuary city Policies endanger the lively hood[sic] of ...
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You Have One Last Chance to Repent, Sean Hannity….Help me force Sean Hannity to repent. If he doesn't, The Major will bring incredible the damage to Mr. Hannity using the new weapons of The Internet. I tried to warn you, Sean. You didn't listen then. If you choose ...
The Major
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Doctors Argue That Female Genital Mutilation Is Protected Under First Amendment Two doctors in Detroit, along with one of their wives, are about to take the first religious defense of female genital mutilation to a US Federal court. The case stems from a FBI investigation into Dr. Jumana Nagarwala after ...
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Letters From Women Pleading for Abortion, Sent in 1917, Mirror Emails Sent Today In the early 1900s, desperate American women wrote letters to the founder of Planned Parenthood begging for help with unwanted pregnancies. A century later, they're sending eerily similar messages to an international abortion-by-mail service. "I'm in the family way ...
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Pregnant Women Are Being Arrested for Crimes They Didn’t Know They Committed Laurie was five months pregnant when she used methamphetamine. She'd previously been on anxiety medication, but her doctor switched her to an opiate when she told him she had history for drug addiction. She said the opiate made her ...
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Inclusive Approaches to Preventing Violent Extremism - Carter Center Violent extremism fractures communities, fosters division, and exacerbates political conflicts. It knows no religious, national, or ethnic boundaries. Violent extremist movements continue to fuel the world’s most violent wars in Africa and the Middle East, and right-wing ethno-nationalist extremism ...
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Love It or Hate It-What Saudi Arabia Is Buying in Its $110 Billion Arms Deal Huge deals with israel, and Saudi Arabia. Our industrial war machine grows apace. TanksSaudi Arabia is expecting 153 M1A1/A2 tank structures, which will be turned into 133 Saudi-specification M1A2S main battle tanks. Twenty additional tanks will replace those from ...
Unshaken Defiance
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