Trump Barges Into the French Election With a Fear-Mongering Tweet Hyping Fascist Marine Le Pen

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It’s long been clear — obvious, in fact — that one of the main goals of terrorism is to provoke Western governments into overreacting and lashing out against Muslims, thus further driving radicalization and helping terrorist groups recruit more members. One of the ways this goal is achieved is by instilling fear in the populace, leading them to elect right wing demagogues who will perpetuate this cycle of radicalization and disintegration.

And if we accept that this is the goal of terrorism, our so-called president Donald Trump is playing right into their hands again today after an attack that killed one policeman in Paris, with a fear-mongering tweet that seems to endorse the election of French fascist Marine Le Pen.

Trump has ignored every act of violence that isn’t perpetrated by Muslims, of course. For example, when one of his fans slaughtered six Muslims in a Quebec City mosque in January, Trump said absolutely nothing.

One of the right wing’s uglier talking points about President Obama was that he was secretly in league with radical Islam. But our current orange-faced demagogue is openly playing right along with the terrorists and helping them achieve their goals with these reckless and dangerous public statements.

Who’s really in league with the terrorists?

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202 comments

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:20:15am

Le Pen, whose views include shitting all over Jews, Sikhs, and others who aren’t “true” Frenchmen. She’s pushing to enact a law that would not only prohibit burkas in public, but also yarmulkas, head coverings for Sikhs, etc., and she thinks that this is all for the common good.

The interview by the CBS channel’s 60 Minutes show, revolved around Le Pen’s alarmingly prejudiced stances against the Muslim community in France.

She was asked directly if she would allow Sikhs to wear the turban, to which she delivered her unapologetic reply.

When asked if she would allow Muslim people to wear headscarves, Le Pen states, “No, I am opposed to wearing headscarves in public, that’s not France.”

In response to Anderson Cooper’s question if a Sikh person be allowed to wear a turban, Le Pen states, “No, not in public. We don’t have a lot of Sikh people in France. We don’t really hear much from them, or about them, which is good news.”

It’s no wonder Trump’s pushing for her to win. She’s a fellow traveler in the hate parade.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:21:58am

re: #1 lawhawk

Such Freedom Very Liberty.

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Skip Intro  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:22:17am

Things couldn’t be working out better for Putin. I doubt this is all due to luck.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:23:28am

re: #2 Sir John Barron

Such Freedom Very Liberty.

Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite!

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Kragar  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:23:54am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:25:36am

re: #3 Skip Intro

Things couldn’t be working out better for Putin. I doubt this is all due to luck.

Oh, but Trump lobbed 60 Tomahawks at an airfield in Syria and destroyed 20% of Syria’s airforce

20% of one wing of Syria’s air force

20 planes

some aircraft!

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CongoJack  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:29:02am

re: #6 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, but Trump lobbed 6 Tomahawks at an airfield in Syria and destroyed 20% of Syria’s airforce

20% of one wing of Syria’s air force

20 planes

some aircraft!

A cafeteria.

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Kragar  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:29:57am

re: #6 Blind Frog Belly White

Some civilians

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Kragar  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:30:21am
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Skip Intro  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:31:37am

re: #6 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, but Trump lobbed 60 Tomahawks at an airfield in Syria and destroyed 20% of Syria’s airforce

20% of one wing of Syria’s air force

20 planes

some aircraft!

Saved Putin the cost of breaking down old planes for scrap.

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electrotek  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:32:01am

It’s bad enough that a large chunk of French ‘millenials’ are on board with Le Pen

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:33:16am

re: #5 Kragar

[Trump biggest accomplishment during his 1st 100 days is that he actually made it to 100 days.]

I think back to the day Richard Nixon resigned, and I think, ‘It can happen here!’

Then I remember it was Nixon’s second term, and I think, ‘It can’t happen fast enough here!’

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Skip Intro  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:34:48am

re: #12 wrenchwench

There were still decent Republicans in office back then. No more.

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DanielKi  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:35:53am

Speaking about non-Islamist terror attacks, have you guys seen this?

nytimes.com

Plot taken straight out of a James Bond movie.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:37:00am

LePen is French for Trump.

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:37:25am

re: #13 Skip Intro

There were still decent Republicans in office back then. No more.

One among the many differences. It will be different this time.

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EPR-radar  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:37:28am

re: #12 wrenchwench

I think back to the day Richard Nixon resigned, and I think, ‘It can happen here!’

Then I remember it was Nixon’s second term, and I think, ‘It can’t happen fast enough here!’

Nixon ended up having to resign because he was facing impeachment followed by conviction in the Senate as a result of losing the support of some Senate Republicans.

Since then, the US Right has dealt with this ‘country over party’ problem thoroughly.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:37:38am

re: #9 Kragar

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YEs, Tom, that’s your side in action. Any questions?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:37:46am
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ObserverArt  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:42:18am

re: #3 Skip Intro

Things couldn’t be working out better for Putin. I doubt this is all due to luck.

It might have been a lucky strike based on a program by Russian dirty tricksters to see if they could mess with gullible muddled western minds. But once they saw they could it is now a complete program.

They are playing on our (US and Europe) ignorance and hate like an Alex Jones, but they have way more reasons to be doing it and more professional people involved.

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Skip Intro  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:42:26am

re: #14 DanielKi

Speaking about non-Islamist terror attacks, have you guys seen this?

nytimes.com

Plot taken straight out of a James Bond movie.

BERLIN — A 28-year-old German-Russian citizen was arrested on Friday and accused of trying to blow up the Borussia Dortmund team bus as part of a plot straight out of a James Bond movie to injure and kill the club’s players, drive down its share price and make a huge profit.

So does Ivanka still need to go to Germany?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:44:14am

Le Pen is awful, but surprisingly she is not a religious nutcase.

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gocart mozart  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:44:18am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:45:30am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:46:26am

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yet.

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ObserverArt  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:47:00am

re: #13 Skip Intro

There were still decent Republicans in office back then. No more.

Well, if we are judging by today’s Republicans, Nixon himself by comparison was “decent.”

Yeah, they are that worthless yet dangerous today.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:47:42am

re: #23 gocart mozart

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It’s almost like Hawaii thinks it’s a state or something. The gall! Sessions really should go fuck off.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:48:21am

re: #22 Eclectic Cyborg

Le Pen is awful, but surprisingly she is not a religious nutcase.

True but then again neither is Trump.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:48:47am

OT, my newest:

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Belafon  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:48:50am

re: #22 Eclectic Cyborg

Le Pen is awful, but surprisingly she is not a religious nutcase.

That’s the exact description of Trump.

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:48:56am

re: #17 EPR-radar

Nixon ended up having to resign because he was facing impeachment followed by conviction in the Senate as a result of losing the support of some Senate Republicans.

Since then, the US Right has dealt with this ‘country over party’ problem thoroughly.

Circumstances are always changing. No ‘thoroughness’ can last long enough to outlast persistence. We will persist.*

*I have nothing to base that on, other than seeing how many are how pissed.

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Kragar  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:49:01am

The motorcycle club my dad helped to found has renamed one of their rides into a memorial ride in his honor.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:49:19am
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Skip Intro  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:49:55am

re: #26 ObserverArt

Well, if we are judging by today’s Republicans, Nixon himself by comparison was “decent.”

Yeah, they are that worthless yet dangerous today.

I’d take Nixon over Trump any day of the year.

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Kragar  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:50:39am
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Skip Intro  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:51:37am

re: #30 Belafon

That’s the exact description of Trump.

Trump surrounds himself with religious nutcases and besides enriching himself, is in office to do their bidding, and he will.

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gocart mozart  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:51:40am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:53:22am

re: #35 Kragar

What exactly is so bad about solar panels at a navy base?

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:54:07am

re: #38 Eclectic Cyborg

What exactly is so bad about solar panels at a navy base?

They don’t burn coal.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:54:09am

re: #38 Eclectic Cyborg

What exactly is so bad about solar panels at a navy base?

Because wingnut assholes going back to Reagan are threatened by any act of environmentally sound policy.

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Skip Intro  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:54:26am

re: #38 Eclectic Cyborg

What exactly is so bad about solar panels at a navy base?

They don’t burn any coal.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:54:48am

re: #41 Skip Intro

They don’t burn any coal.

Beat ya!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:54:57am

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Typical bullshit.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:55:04am

Remember how wingnuts were outraged by a Photoshop that showed the Obama’s putting their left hands over their heart and Obama NOT saluting “Hail to the Chief”?

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Skip Intro  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:55:27am

re: #42 Big Beautiful Door

Beat ya!

I lost out because I was too wordy. That’ll learn me.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:55:40am

re: #44 The Vicious Babushka

Remember how wingnuts were outraged by a Photoshop that showed the Obama’s putting their left hands over their heart and Obama NOT saluting “Hail to the Chief”?

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AS a comic said, I’m starting to believe Trump is a Kenyan Muslim now.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:55:48am

re: #38 Eclectic Cyborg

What exactly is so bad about solar panels at a navy base?

It make sense if you think of Conservatism as being nothing but a reaction to their perception of Liberalism.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:56:31am
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darthstar  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:57:41am

re: #48 Charles Johnson

I’ve been calling them anti-choice for over 30 years.

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darthstar  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:58:06am
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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:58:08am

re: #38 Eclectic Cyborg

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:58:19am

re: #47 Blind Frog Belly White

It make sense if you think of Conservatism as being nothing but a reaction to their perception of Liberalism.

Exactly, if liberals like something it must be bad and awful.

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ObserverArt  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:59:07am

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sessions isn’t counting NYC lower crime rates.

He just wants to clean out the “filth” in this nation which just happens to be darker in skin tone and members of gangs. Easy target for him to get his hate on.

Its scary to think how out of control Sessions could really get. He is a little monster that does all he can to keep it hidden. When I see Sessions, it almost looks like his lip is quivering to let rip what he really would like to say. Should it ever get loose look out.

Oh, and the fact they are in liberal big cities like New York, LA, etc. all the better to go after them. Just like “sanctuary cities” which he also hates.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:59:36am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:59:42am

re: #13 Skip Intro

There were still decent Republicans in office back then. No more.

Nixon resigned because the decent Republicans (and those with a sense of self-awareness beyond pursuit of their own immediate and short-term personal interests) turned against him.

There are not many of those sort of Republicans around anymore.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:02:11pm

re: #38 Eclectic Cyborg

What exactly is so bad about solar panels at a navy base?

Trigger Warnings:

Solyndra. Government favoritism. Scientific elitism. Global warming hoax perpetrators. Solar panels set them off worse than the sight of a woman in a burka for some reason.

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ObserverArt  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:02:33pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

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How about we go hard with Pro-Freedom.

Conservatives love them some freedom…right?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:03:20pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

Exxon will go ahead with it anyway. Sanctions only matter if enforced.

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ObserverArt  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:03:39pm

re: #50 darthstar

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My gawd!!! Banjo is running on water. It’s a sign.

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CongoJack  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:04:02pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

It is called “framing.”

It is taught in college in communication courses.

It has over 30 years of concrete data behind it.

It is real.

If we don’t address it we lose.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:05:04pm
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Scottish Dragon  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:05:08pm

re: #41 Skip Intro

They don’t burn any coal.

The Royal Navy started replacing coal with oil in their warships back in 1906.

liberals!

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Charles Johnson  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:06:30pm

Another genius heard from.

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ObserverArt  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:09:00pm

re: #55 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Nixon resigned because the decent Republicans (and those with a sense of self-awareness beyond pursuit of their own immediate and short-term personal interests) turned against him.

There are not many of those sort of Republicans around anymore.

You hint there are some.

I’m having trouble thinking of any Republican that would make a similar stand against a President in their party today.

Sure there are some that say something about Trump from time to time, but they always go along spinelessly.

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CongoJack  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:09:34pm

Reminder To Progressives: Abortion Is An Economic Issue

Now that Bernie is in the light 24/7 he may start to feel some backlash (that only his most blind supporters will ignore).

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:10:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:16:28pm

re: #65 CongoJack

Reminder To Progressives: Abortion Is An Economic Issue

Now that Bernie is in the light 24/7 he may start to feel some backlash (that only his most blind supporters will ignore).

Teddy Kennedy said he went from opposing federal funding for abortion when he realized that poor women would get shafted on choice in ways that well off women wouldn’t. I hope Sanders does get backlash on this but he got little to none for having a record on immigration that Steve King compared favorably to Rubio.

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:16:55pm

re: #66 goddamnedfrank

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Capitalists need to call out their radical extremists.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:17:44pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

Another genius heard from.

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Tehy always frame it as killing babies. Should masturbation be a crime too? I mean when does it end. They can’t prove that abortion is unlawful in this country so they resort to shit like this.

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ObserverArt  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:17:59pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

Another genius heard from.

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Being pro-choice makes everyone that claims it a baby killer to people like this. It covers any abortion and pro-choice people are responsible. You can’t allow someone else to make a choice even if you would never make that choice. It’s condoning. The thinking is that simplified to them. Their churches and politicians sold it.

Yet, in a war they are not responsible for deaths. Or in a death sentence. Or allowing the environment to be so bad it leads to deaths, cutting funding on social programs that kills people, or gun rights for everyone that kills and kills…on and on….not responsible for those deaths.

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:19:51pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

Tehy always frame it as killing babies. Should masturbation be a crime too? I mean when does it end. They can’t prove that abortion is unlawful in this country so they resort to shit like this.

Every Sperm Is Sacred.

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:21:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:24:27pm

re: #70 ObserverArt

Being pro-choice makes everyone that claims it a baby killer to people like this. It covers any abortion and pro-choice people are responsible. You can’t allow someone else to make a choice even if you would never make that choice. It’s condoning. The thinking is that simplified to them. Their churches and politicians sold it.

Yet, in a war they are not responsible for deaths. Or in a death sentence. Or allowing the environment to be so bad it leads to deaths, cutting funding on social programs that kills people, or gun rights for everyone that kills and kills…on and on….not responsible for those deaths.

As much as I vehemently disagree with the RCC on abortion, I do respect that they’re also vehemently anti-death penalty, support helping people in poverty, and preventing wars. The prolbem I have with the right on abortion is they never want to talk about real measures to reduce it. They oppose sex ed. And they definitely support making women who do get abortions feel like crap.

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Kragar  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:24:42pm
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The Dude Abides  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:26:45pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

One could also say that calling conservatives “the right” or “the religious right” is subliminal praise, because “right” invokes freedom and/or accuracy. IMO, much better to call them “the right wing” or “right-wingers.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:27:02pm

re: #74 Kragar

Reminder: Chemtrails turning the frogs gay and demons possessing gay people are responsible for Alex Jones current custody battle

and Soros made the dope too strong…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:27:20pm

re: #75 The Dude Abides

One could also say that calling conservatives “the right” or “the religious right” is subliminal praise, because “right” invokes freedom and/or accuracy. IMO, much better to call them “the right wing” or “right-wingers.”

wingnuts

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:27:38pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

Another genius heard from.

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Seriously, we have enough people. Overpopulation is destroying the planet and these assholes are doing everything in their power to make shit even worse. Half of humanity could die tomorrow and there’d still be way too many cock knockers clogging up the joint.

Fuck people!

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Charles Johnson  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:27:39pm
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CongoJack  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:31:36pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior

One of the many reasons I left the RCC when I was 16. I haven’t been to mass regularly since 2002 (when I was 18) and the last time I went to mass out of curiosity it was 2008 (and the priest at the end of mass read a letter from the bishop stating that if you voted for Obama you were going to hell because of… abortion).

I had to go to 2 masses this year - one for the funeral of my Aunt (January) and then sadly her husband shortly there after (a month ago). Both amazingly great people from small town Kansas (and diehard Ds awash in R country). The mass lingo and phrasing has changed soooo much (and not for the better). It seems they focus more on justification of who is allowed to be saved - rather than being opened armed in welcoming all people.

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The Dude Abides  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:32:08pm

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I like that one better, but when trying to appeal to low information people, I prefer left-wing and right-wing.

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Kragar  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:32:37pm
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CongoJack  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:33:28pm

re: #82 Kragar

Liked that so much I clicked the heart icon!

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Belafon  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:35:45pm

1. If the fetus can’t survive outside the womb, then it’s not an individual.
2. I bet these people don’t give a shit about the babies Birth Control Works has linked to: littlegreenfootballs.com.

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:38:22pm

re: #78 goddamnedfrank

Seriously, we have enough people. Overpopulation is destroying the planet and these assholes are doing everything in their power to make shit even worse. Half of humanity could die tomorrow and there’d still be way too many cock knockers clogging up the joint.

Fuck people!

‘Pro-choice’ also supports those who choose to give birth.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:42:51pm

re: #85 wrenchwench

‘Pro-choice’ also supports those who choose to give birth.

Sure but they’re wrong lol.

People are the worst.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:43:18pm

People are for lepers.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:43:40pm

You’re arguing language with a person who writes “Your mom should of made” …

Pretty sure that’s kinda like arguing language with my cat.

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:45:41pm

re: #88 Colère Tueur de Lapin

You’re arguing language with a person who writes “Your mom should of made” …

Pretty sure that’s kinda like arguing language with my cat.

Me: ow.

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:45:50pm

re: #88 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Or “I guess there not people in your mind.”

The proper word is “they’re” and not there or their.

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William Lewis  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:47:01pm

re: #80 CongoJack

One of the many reasons I left the RCC when I was 16. I haven’t been to mass regularly since 2002 (when I was 18) and the last time I went to mass out of curiosity it was 2008 (and the priest at the end of mass read a letter from the bishop stating that if you voted for Obama you were going to hell because of… abortion).

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It’s ironic about the translation changes forced on the RCC by Pope Benedict, they went backwards liturgically to what we left behind in the 1970s to adopt much of what the RCC was using…

< Put your favorite facepalm here >

If you ever catch the desire to go to church, check out your local Episcopalian congregation. They aren’t all as liberal as mine is but overall we’re better than that. Our current bishop, whom we were concerned might be too conservative when elected (yes, we elect our bishops), was at the veterans protests against the Dakota pipeline.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:53:06pm

Attorney General Jefferson Beauregard Sessions the Third thinks Manhattan is just some island in the Atlantic.

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danarchy  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:54:31pm

re: #84 Belafon

1. If the fetus can’t survive outside the womb, then it’s not an individual.

I have heard this before. Hypothetically speaking, what if medical science progressed to a point where they created an artificial womb that could do most of the gestation outside the body? Or even if they just got to a point where a premature baby could survive earlier and earlier, say 16 weeks.

As far as I am concerned, until it develops a brain, it should not be considered an individual.

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:55:55pm

re: #92 Decatur Deb

Devil’s Island. Easy to mistake. /

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:56:06pm

re: #92 Decatur Deb

Jefferson Beauregard Sessions the Third thinks Manhattan is just some island in the Atlantic.

I had that thought yesterday, but did not post it, so you win.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:56:30pm

re: #93 danarchy

I have heard this before. Hypothetically speaking, what if medical science progressed to a point where they created an artificial womb that could do most of the gestation outside the body? Or even if they just got to a point where a premature baby could survive earlier and earlier, say 16 weeks.

As far as I am concerned, until it develops a brain, it should not be considered an individual.

Are you proposing states get congressional representation based on the number of citizens with brains? Never pass.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:57:31pm

re: #95 wrenchwench

I had that thought yesterday, but did not post it, so you win.

The key to commenting is shamelessness.

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:58:34pm

re: #93 danarchy

I have heard this before. Hypothetically speaking, what if medical science progressed to a point where they created an artificial womb that could do most of the gestation outside the body? Or even if they just got to a point where a premature baby could survive earlier and earlier, say 16 weeks.

As far as I am concerned, until it develops a brain, it should not be considered an individual.

There is danger in using the brain as the deciding point. Babies or fetuses with Zika defects are just as human. The woman gets to decide until it is born.

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2017 • 12:59:58pm

re: #97 Decatur Deb

The key to commenting is shamelessness.

I have come late to that conclusion. I still use ‘preview’, so maybe I have not fully agreed.

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Anymouse  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:00:05pm

Two items:

Heath Mello (D candidate for mayor of Omaha) is under attack from various Democratic groups for his stance on abortion. Daily Kos has pulled their endorsement of him. Other Democratic groups are considering whether they should support him, or just let the Republican mayor win. (Abortion is not an issue a mayor has much control over - I realise that abortion is a central issue for the Democratic Party, but “let’s throw our candidate under the bus over this one issue he has no control over anyway” is really not much of a campaign strategy in a winnable election.)

Mr. Mello came out and said that though his personal view is against abortion, he would not use his personal views to legislate something that’s someone’s personal issue (that would be similar to Tim Kaine’s statement).

Mayor Jean Stothert (R) is jumping on his abortion issue to proclaim Democrats are hypocrites, and that’s why she should be reëlected.

Tom Perez has now endorsed Mr. Mello, and Rep. Keith Ellison is coming to Omaha to campaign for him.

Felix Randomkitty update five:

The vet just called. Felix does not have lymphoma (per yesterday’s lab tests). He is still not eating (so they are still feeding him by syringe), but he started grooming himself again this morning, and is purring again. He started urinating normally last night. The visiting specialist from Alliance suggested a steroid medication that a local compounding pharmacy can make to help reduce the inflammation of his pancreas.

The vet said she has not gone this high on expenses trying to save a pet; she does seem concerned about my wallet. The drug in question is not terribly expensive, so she has the go-ahead to try that.

She also thinks that the not-eating issue may now be related to “he is not home.” If the pancreas issue is resolved, she wants to send him home to see if he will eat here.

She points out the staff has taken a shine to our cat and are giving him lots of attention (which might also be helping).

If the steroid treatment works, he could be home early next week.

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ObserverArt  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:00:27pm

re: #85 wrenchwench

‘Pro-choice’ also supports those who choose to give birth.

Yep. Freedom to choose. It’s all about the freedom and wingnuts and religious zealots need to be told that over and over and over.

And another thing. Can any conservative stand up and tell us truthfully that eliminating Roe v Wade is going to stop abortions? Truthfully.

Everyone knows they can”t because it wasn’t stopped prior to R v W. So, they really are not eliminating anything just pandering politically and religiously and hurting people in other ways.

And of course patting themselves on the back for being such good people. Blah.

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danarchy  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:00:32pm

re: #96 Decatur Deb

Are you proposing states get congressional representation based on the number of citizens with brains? Never pass.

Comic Rimshot!

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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:01:33pm

re: #99 wrenchwench

I have come late to that conclusion. I still use ‘preview’, so maybe I have not fully agreed.

Forgotten we have ‘preview’, but I’ll use ‘edit’ to change a comma to a period.

(Just like I just went back to place ‘edit’ in consistent quotes.)

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CongoJack  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:01:55pm

re: #91 William Lewis

If the current Pope continues his track (and is not “removed” by the conservatives) I may find my way back. Though at the moment I self identify as an atheist (to the aghast of my family - excluding my parents who do not care).

Never did like Benedict.

As for the Episcopalian church - I will keep that in mind as I have my first child. If my son (due date in the late part of October) asks to go to a church I will attempt to direct my child to a more enlightened group - of which Episcopalian church sounds like it will fit!

Thanks for the insight!

BBL all

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Joe Bacon  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:02:20pm

re: #100 Anymouse

Pulling for Kitty to get well!

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Jay C  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:03:31pm

re: #96 Decatur Deb

Are you proposing states get congressional representation based on the number of citizens with brains? Never pass.

We’d end up with a Congress with maybe 25 Reps and 3 Senators….

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Belafon  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:05:17pm

re: #93 danarchy

I have heard this before. Hypothetically speaking, what if medical science progressed to a point where they created an artificial womb that could do most of the gestation outside the body? Or even if they just got to a point where a premature baby could survive earlier and earlier, say 16 weeks.

As far as I am concerned, until it develops a brain, it should not be considered an individual.

Yours is a simpler definition. An artificial womb is still a support mechanism that the fetus needs, so it would still fail my version.

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Kragar  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:06:01pm
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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:06:45pm

re: #107 Belafon

Yours is a simpler definition. An artificial womb is still a support mechanism that the fetus needs, so it would still fail my version.

They’re not individuals until they get a job and move out.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:07:00pm
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Anymouse  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:07:29pm

re: #108 Kragar

That tweet links to

Friday, April 21, 2017

SACRAMENTO- California Senate President pro Tempore Kevin de León (D- Los Angeles), released the following statement responding to letters sent by U.S. Attorney General Jeff Session to the state of California, and other cities and counties, regarding compliance with immigration law enforcement. Attached is a recent letter from legal counsel for the California State Legislature on the same matter.

“It has become abundantly clear that Attorney General Sessions and the Trump Administration are basing their law enforcement policies on principles of white supremacy - not American values. Their constant and systematic targeting of diverse cities and states goes beyond constitutional norms and will be challenged at every level.”

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:08:27pm

re: #101 ObserverArt

Yep. Freedom to choose. It’s all about the freedom and wingnuts and religious zealots need to be told that over and over and over.

And another thing. Can any conservative stand up and tell us truthfully that eliminating Roe v Wade is going to stop abortions? Truthfully.

Everyone knows they can”t because it wasn’t stopped prior to R v W. So, they really are not eliminating anything just pandering politically and religiously and hurting people in other ways.

And of course patting themselves on the back for being such good people. Blah.

Which brings up the most painful irony of the ‘pro-life’ designation. If R v W is taken away, the maternal death rate goes up. As it has under Texas harassment.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:08:49pm

re: #93 danarchy

I have heard this before. Hypothetically speaking, what if medical science progressed to a point where they created an artificial womb that could do most of the gestation outside the body? Or even if they just got to a point where a premature baby could survive earlier and earlier, say 16 weeks.

As far as I am concerned, until it develops a brain, it should not be considered an individual.

Humans have difficulty with how to think about processes, rather than events, so they focus on events, even turning processes INTO events for easier understanding.

Fertilization, for example, is a process, not an event. It starts with two haploid cells and ends with one diploid cell, but it’s not instantaneous. No bright flash of light, indicating a watershed event.

That one diploid cell may undergo a long process of division, growth, differentiation, development. Or not. Or it might get only part of the way and stop, and die. But if it does, what starts out as ‘not a baby’ BECOMES ‘a baby’. But there’s no one watershed event at which ‘not a baby’ becomes ‘a baby’.

If you’re a binary thinker, you’re stuck with fertilization as your watershed moment, and you’re stuck defending the concept that a single diploid cell is equivalent to a living, breathing, already-born baby.

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:09:59pm

re: #109 Decatur Deb

They’re not individuals until they get a job and move out.

Old cartoon: testifying in some venue, a man says, ‘Life begins at 40!’

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ObserverArt  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:10:34pm

re: #112 wrenchwench

Which brings up the most painful irony of the ‘pro-life’ designation. If R v W is taken away, the maternal death rate goes up. As it has under Texas harassment.

Exactly. That’s what I meant by hurting in other ways. I was going to say “killing in other ways” but hesitated.

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BeachDem  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:11:58pm

re: #60 CongoJack

It is called “framing.”

It is taught in college in communication courses.

It has over 30 years of concrete data behind it.

It is real.

If we don’t address it we lose.

Don’t Think of an Elephant—Know Your Values and Frame the Debate

amazon.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:13:29pm

re: #110 goddamnedfrank

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Well, we could pay actors a lot less. Then they could be blue collar.
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Seriously, though - it seems kind of tautological. Actors, writers, directors, producers - the successful ones - command pay far beyond ‘blue collar’, so no matter who you are, once you become a successful one of those, you’re no longer blue collar. It’s like saying that blue collar America isn’t really represented in the AMA, or the ABA.

Or, “And not a good one like Slap-Chop. More Shake-Weight-y.”

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:13:31pm

re: #113 Blind Frog Belly White

Humans have difficulty with how to think about processes, rather than events, so they focus on events, even turning processes INTO events for easier understanding.

Fertilization, for example, is a process, not an event. It starts with two haploid cells and ends with one diploid cell, but it’s not instantaneous. No bright flash of light, indicating a watershed event.

That one diploid cell may undergo a long process of division, growth, differentiation, development. Or not. Or it might get only part of the way and stop, and die. But if it does, what starts out as ‘not a baby’ BECOMES ‘a baby’. But there’s no one watershed event at which ‘not a baby’ becomes ‘a baby’.

If you’re a binary thinker, you’re stuck with fertilization as your watershed moment, and you’re stuck defending the concept that a single diploid cell is equivalent to a living, breathing, already-born baby.

And miscarriage can happen all along the way. For no reason. It’s only when there is a reason, and it’s the choice of the person MOST involved, that there is some kind of watershed event.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:14:17pm

Checked this guy’s timeline and sure enough, he’s a conspiracy spreader.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:14:37pm

re: #115 ObserverArt

Exactly. That’s what I meant by hurting in other ways. I was going to say “killing in other ways” but hesitated.

If pro-life politicians raise the average temperature in China a few degrees, they are likely to be mega-murderers.

(That’s extrapolated from some really old CIA assessment, the first time I ever saw any reference to global warming.)

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Anymouse  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:17:22pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

And miscarriage can happen all along the way. For no reason. It’s only when there is a reason, and it’s the choice of the person MOST involved, that there is some kind of watershed event.

Hence the “Periods for Pence” campaign on Facebook when Mike Pence signed a bill to require burial or cremation of foetuses. The idea ballooned into tens of thousands of calls and cards to the governor’s office (along with comments on his Facebook page) asking about things like “well, I’ve had a heavy flow the past couple days, do I need a funeral director for my maxi-pad?”

The anti-lifers will not be satisfied until they are regulating every aspect of a woman, including a miscarriage.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:19:20pm

Aw jeez.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:19:22pm

re: #121 Anymouse

Hence the “Periods for Pence” campaign on Facebook when Mike Pence signed a bill to require burial or cremation of foetuses. The idea ballooned into tens of thousands of calls and cards to the governor’s office (along with comments on his Facebook page) asking about things like “well, I’ve had a heavy flow the past couple days, do I need a funeral director for my maxi-pad?”

The anti-lifers will not be satisfied until they are regulating every aspect of a woman, including a miscarriage.

Which is why I never miss a chance to point out that Planned Parenthood has prevented more abortions than all the ‘Pro-lifers’ who ever lived.

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:20:20pm
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Kragar  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:20:29pm
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Anymouse  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:21:34pm

re: #123 Blind Frog Belly White

Which is why I never miss a chance to point out that Planned Parenthood has prevented more abortions than all the ‘Pro-lifers’ who ever lived.

Yup.

But baby parts!!!!11!!2!!!

It’s very easy to manipulate one-issue voters.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:22:46pm

re: #125 Kragar

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If there is one redeeming act of the Trump administration, it is getting Jefferson Beauregard Etc. the Third out of my town.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:25:51pm
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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:27:18pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

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Back to the hatemail tipjar. Not sure you should get full credit for Alex Jones loons, though.

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Anymouse  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:27:31pm

mic.com (more at the link)

Sens. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) and Tom Carper (D-Del.) are leading a coalition of Senate Democrats in calling on Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly to disclose information and motives behind the department’s revoking global entry status for Muslim travelers.

The joint letter is based on reports that American citizens and green card holders had their global entry status revoked without proper explanation a few weeks after President Donald Trump signed an executive order banning refugees and visa holders from six Muslim-majority countries. The Global Entry Program is operated by U.S. Customs Borders and Protection, under the jurisdiction of DHS, which allows expedited entry through customs checkpoints at U.S. airports to securely vetted travelers.

Booker said in an email to Mic that the impetus behind the letter is to figure out if the the Trump administration is enacting in blatant religious and/or racial discrimination, but that can’t happen unless DHS provides clear answers.

The letter is signed by Booker and Carper, as well as Sens. Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.), Bernie Sanders (D-Vt. [sic, no Mic, Sanders is an independent), Ed Markey (D-Mass.), Chris Coons (D-Del.), Cardin (D-Md.) and Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:28:18pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

Did you report that or do you not even bother anymore?

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Belafon  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:28:58pm

re: #130 Anymouse

mic.com (more at the link)

I think they have it backwards. They should start with the assumption that Kelly and Trump are being racist and have them prove they’re not.

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:29:40pm

re: #121 Anymouse

Hence the “Periods for Pence” campaign on Facebook when Mike Pence signed a bill to require burial or cremation of foetuses. The idea ballooned into tens of thousands of calls and cards to the governor’s office (along with comments on his Facebook page) asking about things like “well, I’ve had a heavy flow the past couple days, do I need a funeral director for my maxi-pad?”

The anti-lifers will not be satisfied until they are regulating every aspect of a woman, including a miscarriage.

Mailing used feminine hygiene products must violate some postal regulation, or it would have happened by now. Will UPS take them? Fed-Ex?

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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:32:10pm

re: #133 wrenchwench

Mailing used feminine hygiene products must violate some postal regulation, or it would have happened by now. Will UPS take them? Fed-Ex?

Dunno about that, but you can definitely send a barrage of dildos to the Alabama State Attorney General.

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Anymouse  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:33:15pm

re: #133 wrenchwench

Mailing used feminine hygiene products must violate some postal regulation, or it would have happened by now. Will UPS take them? Fed-Ex?

Nope, it’s not against postal regulations (I can’t say about UPS/FedEx). You can mail any sort of product like that as long as it’s securely packaged.

That’s why you can mail blood samples, urine samples, faecal occult tests, &c.

You can even mail live baby chicks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:33:51pm
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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:33:57pm

re: #134 Decatur Deb

Dunno about that, but you can definitely send a barrage of dildos to the Alabama State Attorney General.

Not gonna ask whether they’re clean, because you might answer.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:34:08pm

re: #100 Anymouse

Glad to hear the better news about the cat.

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Anymouse  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:35:00pm

re: #137 wrenchwench

Not gonna ask whether they’re clean, because you might answer.

Make sure that the guy from “Cards against Humanity” sends along a drum of lube like he did to the Talibanjo in Oregon.

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Anymouse  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:36:06pm

re: #138 Jebediah, RBG

Glad to hear the better news about the cat.

Well, Felix is not out of the woods yet. He’ll be spending the weekend at the doc … hopefully the drug therapy works.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:37:32pm

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

So they decided to reaccomodate him huh?

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lawhawk  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:38:09pm

This is 3d world banana republic bullshit right here.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:38:36pm

Apparently it’s Sanctimonious Lecture O’Clock on Twitter again.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:38:38pm

re: #135 Anymouse

Nope, it’s not against postal regulations (I can’t say about UPS/FedEx). You can mail any sort of product like that as long as it’s securely packaged.

That’s why you can mail blood samples, urine samples, faecal occult tests, &c.

You can even mail live baby chicks.

A friend who lives where Osage trees grow thick, dense late-growth rings shipped me a bowstave via the Postal Service. Well, really, he slapped a mailing label and some stamps on a quarter-split log 5 1/2 feet long, complete with bark.

They shipped it and delivered it. Undamaged, though I’m not sure how you’d damage 1/4 of a log.

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Anymouse  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:39:10pm

Michael Reagan (Ronald Reagan’s adopted son) being a sexist pig in support of Bill O’Reilly:

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:40:07pm

I’m going to take a break.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:40:32pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

That doesn’t make any fucking sense. You respect a person if they are respectable. If they aren’t, you don’t.

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Belafon  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:40:37pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

Apparently it’s Sanctimonious Lecture O’Clock on Twitter again.

I can repress my need to strangle someone who obviously needs it, but I don’t need to respect them.

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Amory Blaine  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:41:18pm

Frank Luntz has done more damage to America than Trump has (so far).

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Charles Johnson  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:41:33pm

re: #131 Eclectic Cyborg

Did you report that or do you not even bother anymore?

I usually don’t bother. The most Twitter does these days is temporarily lock someone’s account and require them to delete an offensive tweet. This is complete bullshit and does nothing to solve their harassment problem, but it gives the appearance of doing something.

What temporary locking really achieves: it educates harassers and trolls about how to avoid having their accounts locked.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:41:46pm

re: #142 lawhawk

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This is 3d world banana republic bullshit right here.

Dafuq? Unless the protestors were doing it at the behest of a government, the First Amendment is not involved. He had the right to remove the protestors because it’s a private event. He didn’t have the right to encourage his fans to rough them up.

I’d have thought this was really simple.

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gocart mozart  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:42:01pm
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Anymouse  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:42:49pm

re: #145 Blind Frog Belly White

A friend who lives where Osage trees grow thick, dense late-growth rings shipped me a bowstave via the Postal Service. Well, really, he slapped a mailing label and some stamps on a quarter-split log 5 1/2 feet long, complete with bark.

They shipped it and delivered it. Undamaged, though I’m not sure how you’d damage 1/4 of a log.

The scythe I got the other day came by mail, basically the handle wrapped up (the snath was strapped to the handle with the sharp blade covered) and postage put on the paper. The postmistress was scratching her head as to what it was when she brought it to my house.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:44:44pm

re: #154 Anymouse

The scythe I got the other day came by mail, basically the handle wrapped up (the snath was strapped to the handle with the sharp blade covered) and postage put on the paper. The postmistress was scratching her head as to what it was when she brought it to my house.

As long as you didn’t wear a long, black, hooded robe when you went to pick it up. she brought it.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:44:51pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:45:41pm

Got a new pair of eyeglasses this afternoon. It’s been 10 years since my last pair and o.m.g…. I CAN SEE AGAIN!

Now I just have to survive the usual nausea-inducing “getting used to the new/stronger prescription” timeframe.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:46:11pm

re: #148 Jebediah, RBG

That doesn’t make any fucking sense. You respect a person if they are respectable. If they aren’t, you don’t.

My dad always told my brothers and I that respect was earned. Alex Jones has done nothing in his public and it would seem private life to be worthy of respect. We’re talking about a man who encouraged denial and harassment of a shooting tragedy involving first graders and their families. I will never respect Alex Jones. He’s probably the biggest shitbag among the right wing talk show hosts and man there’s a lot of them.

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Anymouse  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:46:31pm

re: #155 Blind Frog Belly White

As long as you didn’t wear a long, black, hooded robe when you went to pick it up.

My wife wants me to wear a black cowl for Hallowe’en. Dress up like one of the reapers in Dead Like Me.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:47:01pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

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Exactly.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:48:01pm

re: #142 lawhawk

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This is 3d world banana republic bullshit right here.

But aren’t colleges just awful to poor Milo and poor Ann Coulter? //

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Anymouse  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:48:12pm

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

Got a new pair of eyeglasses this afternoon. It’s been 10 years since my last pair and o.m.g…. I CAN SEE AGAIN!

Now I just have to survive the usual nausea-inducing “getting used to the new/stronger prescription” timeframe.

Looking at your avatar, I’m wondering how the eye doctor made such a tiny pair. /s

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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:49:50pm

re: #145 Blind Frog Belly White

A friend who lives where Osage trees grow thick, dense late-growth rings shipped me a bowstave via the Postal Service. Well, really, he slapped a mailing label and some stamps on a quarter-split log 5 1/2 feet long, complete with bark.

They shipped it and delivered it. Undamaged, though I’m not sure how you’d damage 1/4 of a log.

Up through the 1960s, and perhaps still, the USPS specified a special fiberboard mailer and postage rate so kids at boarding school could send their dirty laundry home for washing. We used it to get around our school’s censorship process.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:50:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:50:40pm

WELCOME HOME, AYA! #GodBlessTheUSA🇺🇸

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:52:16pm

re: #158 HappyWarrior

My dad always told my brothers and I that respect was earned. Alex Jones has done nothing in his public and it would seem private life to be worthy of respect. We’re talking about a man who encouraged denial and harassment of a shooting tragedy involving first graders and their families. I will never respect Alex Jones. He’s probably the biggest shitbag among the right wing talk show hosts and man there’s a lot of them.

IMO, there’s a minimum level of respect you accord to strangers, because they’re people and you don’t know them. You don’t shove them out of the way, you don’t cut in line, you give a friendly smile if your eyes meet in passing, you hold the door for them if they’re right behind you and/or carrying packages. That kind of thing. You do it, because you’re a decent person and they probably are, too.

You can earn more respect, or you can earn less. Jones has earned less.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:53:45pm

re: #159 Anymouse

My wife wants me to wear a black cowl for Hallowe’en. Dress up like one of the reapers in Dead Like Me.

Or Grimm and Mandy.

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Anymouse  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:55:20pm

Today’s newspaper reporting another measles case in North Platte. Yay … measles to my left, measles to my right.

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Belafon  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:55:53pm

re: #166 Blind Frog Belly White

IMO, there’s a minimum level of respect you accord to strangers, because they’re people and you don’t know them. You don’t shove them out of the way, you don’t cut in line, you give a friendly smile if your eyes meet in passing, you hold the door for them if they’re right behind you and/or carrying packages. That kind of thing. You do it, because you’re a decent person and they probably are, too.

You can earn more respect, or you can earn less. Jones has earned less.

And I would hold the door for Alex Jones or Trump. Doesn’t mean I like them in any way.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:56:10pm

re: #145 Blind Frog Belly White

A friend who lives where Osage trees grow thick, dense late-growth rings shipped me a bowstave via the Postal Service. Well, really, he slapped a mailing label and some stamps on a quarter-split log 5 1/2 feet long, complete with bark.

They shipped it and delivered it. Undamaged, though I’m not sure how you’d damage 1/4 of a log.

Call it a guitar and send it via United?

United Breaks Guitars

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:56:34pm

re: #159 Anymouse

My wife wants me to wear a black cowl for Hallowe’en. Dress up like one of the reapers in Dead Like Me.

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Anymouse  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:56:53pm

re: #167 Blind Frog Belly White

Or Grimm and Mandy.

LOL. Poor Grimm - enslaved to a narcissistic child - I like that cartoon. (And so prophetic - Grimm as the USA, Mandy as Trump.)

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Anymouse  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:59:07pm

re: #166 Blind Frog Belly White

IMO, there’s a minimum level of respect you accord to strangers, because they’re people and you don’t know them. You don’t shove them out of the way, you don’t cut in line, you give a friendly smile if your eyes meet in passing, you hold the door for them if they’re right behind you and/or carrying packages. That kind of thing. You do it, because you’re a decent person and they probably are, too.

You can earn more respect, or you can earn less. Jones has earned less.

My usual remark about respect is “Ideas never deserve respect, unless they are shown to be true. People always deserve respect, unless they show themselves unworthy of it.”

Alex Jones fits into the “unworthy” category to me.

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darthstar  Apr 21, 2017 • 1:59:36pm

re: #66 goddamnedfrank

You know which companies Trump is shorting based on his tweets.

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Anymouse  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:03:58pm

There is something for everyone on the Internet, apparently.

The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy Fanfiction

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:04:19pm

re: #146 Anymouse

And when the hell was that ever a compliment??

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whitebeach  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:04:42pm

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

Got a new pair of eyeglasses this afternoon. It’s been 10 years since my last pair and o.m.g…. I CAN SEE AGAIN!

Now I just have to survive the usual nausea-inducing “getting used to the new/stronger prescription” timeframe.

It’s been about 15 yrs for me and things were getting pretty fuzzy. So I went for an exam and new scrip last week, but the OD threw me a curve. What I really, seriously and ASAP need is cataract surgery. So there’s that to look forward to, so long as I can still see it, at least.

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gocart mozart  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:04:42pm
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Anymouse  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:05:38pm

re: #176 Eclectic Cyborg

And when the hell was that ever a compliment??

Beats me. I like to think I’m not a sexist pig. I wouldn’t even make a remark like that to my wife in private, much less a co-worker.

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William Lewis  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:05:52pm

Just wanted to say “Thanks” to those of you who mentioned the idea of a gel pad for my bike seat. It makes a world of difference when I go to ride to and from work.

I’m still way out of shape but I can get where I need to go around town this way. Now all I need is to figure out how to get my laundry to and from where I do it and to get my groceries home.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:06:18pm

re: #175 Anymouse

There is something for everyone on the Internet, apparently.

The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy Fanfiction

Nope. Not gonna get out of THAT boat.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:07:02pm

re: #179 Anymouse

Beats me. I like to think I’m not a sexist pig. I wouldn’t even make a remark like that to my wife in private, much less a co-worker.

EXACTLY!

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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:08:28pm

re: #177 whitebeach

It’s been about 15 yrs for me and things were getting pretty fuzzy. So I went for an exam and new scrip last week, but the OD threw me a curve. What I really, seriously and ASAP need is cataract surgery. So there’s that to look forward to, so long as I can still see it, at least.

I’m midway through new implants in each eye. The first was fairly easy and the results somewhat startling.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:09:15pm

re: #180 William Lewis

Just wanted to say “Thanks” to those of you who mentioned the idea of a gel pad for my bike seat. It makes a world of difference when I go to ride to and from work.

I’m still way out of shape but I can get where I need to go around town this way. Now all I need is to figure out how to get my laundry to and from where I do it and to get my groceries home.

Too late for the mailers I mentioned above:

postalmuseum.si.edu

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:10:13pm

re: #176 Eclectic Cyborg

And when the hell was that ever a compliment??

Wait, you mean women DON’T take it as a compliment when you stare at their tits?
/////

In college, I was talking with my girlfriend about a mutual acquaintance. She said, “Oh, HIM,” and shuddered. “He talks to my chest.”

“He what?” I responded.

So she started talking to me while staring at MY chest. It took about one second for me to get creeped out. I guess I had always known NOT to do that, but I had never been on the receiving end.

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William Lewis  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:12:21pm

re: #159 Anymouse

My wife wants me to wear a black cowl for Hallowe’en. Dress up like one of the reapers in Dead Like Me.

Just beware of little girls named Mandy if you do…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:13:31pm

re: #180 William Lewis

Just wanted to say “Thanks” to those of you who mentioned the idea of a gel pad for my bike seat. It makes a world of difference when I go to ride to and from work.

I’m still way out of shape but I can get where I need to go around town this way. Now all I need is to figure out how to get my laundry to and from where I do it and to get my groceries home.

It depends on how far you’re riding, but my experience with gel padded bike seats is they seem real comfortable right up until you realize your junk has gone numb.

YMMV, of course, but you’ll want to pay attention to it.

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:16:44pm

re: #187 Blind Frog Belly White

It depends on how far you’re riding, but my experience with gel padded bike seats is they seem real comfortable right up until you realize your junk has gone numb.

YMMV, of course, but you’ll want to pay attention to it.

Pulled back in by the bike posts.

Stand up every 15 minutes. Just for a sec.

As for carrying things: rack on the bike. Two weeks worth of laundry: trailer.

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William Lewis  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:18:31pm

re: #188 wrenchwench

Pulled back in by the bike posts.

Stand up every 15 minutes. Just for a sec.

As for carrying things: rack on the bike. Two weeks worth of laundry: trailer.

I’ve got a small rack but I’m having the dickens figuring out how it’s used…

Free bike, can’t complain too much :)

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whitebeach  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:18:45pm

re: #183 Decatur Deb

I’m midway through new implants in each eye. The first was fairly easy and the results somewhat startling.

I hope you mean startling in a good way. Many years ago my dad had the surgery and threw away his glasses. Claimed he could see as well as when he joined the Army Air Corps back in 1940, and the tests said so too. So my fingers are crossed.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:20:40pm

re: #190 whitebeach

I hope you mean startling in a good way. Many years ago my dad had the surgery and threw away his glasses. Claimed he could see as well as when he joined the Army Air Corps back in 1940, and the tests said so too. So my fingers are crossed.

Startlingly good. That kind of deterioration is very sneaky, you don’t know how much you needed to fix it until it’s fixed.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:22:58pm

re: #188 wrenchwench

Pulled back in by the bike posts.

Stand up every 15 minutes. Just for a sec.

As for carrying things: rack on the bike. Two weeks worth of laundry: trailer.

The original saddle on the Plastic Fantastic Bianchi was some Fizik gel thingie in Celeste green. Looked great on the bike. Felt comfy around the block. Put my Johnson right to sleep.

I immediately started searching around and located the last remaining trove of Avocet 02Air 40R saddles, at Palo Alto Bikes. Bought 4 of them. Now I still have one spare for backup in case one of the ones currently mounted breaks. I am NOT going through >5 saddles looking for one that fits, ever again!!!

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:23:36pm

re: #189 William Lewis

I’ve got a small rack but I’m having the dickens figuring out how it’s used…

Free bike, can’t complain too much :)

Bundle stuff tightly so loose ends can’t swing into the spokes. Nylon straps are better than bungees, but secure the load one way or another. On your back is the least preferable, because it adds to the weight on the seat (ow!) Is there a bike shop within riding distance?

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ObserverArt  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:23:54pm

re: #159 Anymouse

My wife wants me to wear a black cowl for Hallowe’en. Dress up like one of the reapers in Dead Like Me.

Monty Python-The Meaning of Life-Death

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:27:35pm

re: #192 Blind Frog Belly White

The original saddle on the Plastic Fantastic Bianchi was some Fizik gel thingie in Celeste green. Looked great on the bike. Felt comfy around the block. Put my Johnson right to sleep.

I immediately started searching around and located the last remaining trove of Avocet 02Air 40R saddles, at Palo Alto Bikes. Bought 4 of them. Now I still have one spare for backup in case one of the ones currently mounted breaks. I am NOT going through >5 saddles looking for one that fits, ever again!!!

Good job snagging 4 of them. The best stuff always gets discontinued. I have seen the ‘padding’ go rock-hard on Avocets, so they don’t last forever, but who does? Many more comfy saddles on the market these days. But my favorite is discontinued. Happens faster when you go for the closeout deals.

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William Lewis  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:31:42pm

re: #193 wrenchwench

Bundle stuff tightly so loose ends can’t swing into the spokes. Nylon straps are better than bungees, but secure the load one way or another. On your back is the least preferable, because it adds to the weight on the seat (ow!) Is there a bike shop within riding distance?

A couple of them. Both cater to the folks who think Trek make fine cheap bikes…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:31:57pm

re: #195 wrenchwench

Good job snagging 4 of them. The best stuff always gets discontinued. I have seen the ‘padding’ go rock-hard on Avocets, so they don’t last forever, but who does? Many more comfy saddles on the market these days. But my favorite is discontinued. Happens faster when you go for the closeout deals.

The 02Air 40R is the only saddle I’ve tried that is simultaneously wide enough at the back, flat enough across the back, and narrow enough through the nose to accommodate my wide sitbones and ginormous thighs. At that, I’ve worn all the paint off the sides of the white one on Dreadnought.

Dreadnought
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William Lewis  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:33:16pm

re: #195 wrenchwench

Good job snagging 4 of them. The best stuff always gets discontinued. I have seen the ‘padding’ go rock-hard on Avocets, so they don’t last forever, but who does? Many more comfy saddles on the market these days. But my favorite is discontinued. Happens faster when you go for the closeout deals.

Cute ;)

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BeachDem  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:41:28pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

Apparently it’s Sanctimonious Lecture O’Clock on Twitter again.

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respect: a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.

Nah—don’t think it’s applicable to Jones.

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:41:40pm

re: #196 William Lewis

A couple of them. Both cater to the folks who think Trek make fine cheap bikes…

The curse of the WI bike shop, I’m guessing. Find someone who treats you nice at one of them. Ignore everybody else.

I have a lot of customers who won’t go to the other bike shop because of how they are treated. They think it’s because they are Hispanic. It’s actually because they aren’t wearing Lycra and pushing a carbon bike. Most shops have one nice person (at least) on the payroll.

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BeachDem  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:47:37pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Heh:

Maybe the yam did make it himself.

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BeachDem  Apr 21, 2017 • 2:48:27pm

re: #166 Blind Frog Belly White

IMO, there’s a minimum level of respect you accord to strangers, because they’re people and you don’t know them. You don’t shove them out of the way, you don’t cut in line, you give a friendly smile if your eyes meet in passing, you hold the door for them if they’re right behind you and/or carrying packages. That kind of thing. You do it, because you’re a decent person and they probably are, too.

You can earn more respect, or you can earn less. Jones has earned less.

I think of the above as manners rather than respect.


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