John Mayer, Featuring the Dancing Pandas: “Still Feel Like Your Man”

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John Mayer’s new ellpee “The Search for Everything” is on heavy rotation at LGF headquarters, because it’s really, really good. And here’s the first music video from the LP, a very funky lament about a lost love featuring some awesome dancing pandas.

One of the reasons I love this album so much: the beautiful multi-tracked super-clean, super-subtle guitar break after he sings, “I still keep your shampoo in the shower.” That, my friends, is the real shit.

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327 comments

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prairiefire  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:22:31pm

Thanks, Charles!

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Charles Johnson  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:30:15pm
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Stanley Sea  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:43:03pm

re: #1 prairiefire

Thanks, Charles!

I like it!

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Stanley Sea  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:47:02pm

This is from those NJ reporters who are trying to #meetinthemiddle - turned onto them via Lawhawk

Texas Rodeo

The little ones ride sheep. #MeetInTheMiddle

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Charles Johnson  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:47:03pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:50:35pm

Our problem is not Trump Derangement Syndrome; our problem is Deranged Trump Self-Delusion. This is the habit of willfully substituting, as a motive for Trump’s latest action, a conventional political or geostrategic ambition, rather than recognizing the action as the daily spasm of narcissistic gratification and episodic vanity that it truly is.

Excellent article/read the whole thing.

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prairiefire  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:50:45pm

re: #4 Stanley Sea

Gah, I hate that event. Over protective mom alarm bellssssss!

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gocart mozart  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:52:27pm
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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Apr 21, 2017 • 6:53:33pm

I don’t have any dancing pandas, but here’s some photos I done took:

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Stanley Sea  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:00:49pm

re: #7 prairiefire

Gah, I hate that event. Over protective mom alarm bellssssss!

They’re rais’n em tough in TX

I guess.

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gocart mozart  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:02:23pm
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prairiefire  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:03:26pm

re: #10 Stanley Sea

They’re rais’n em tough in TX

I guess.

Yep, all over. “Mutton Bustin”.

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Pineapple Pizza  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:05:56pm

re: #12 prairiefire

They do that here in the Bay Area, too.

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teleskiguy  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:07:38pm

John Mayer is one goddamned talented asshole.

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prairiefire  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:11:30pm

re: #13 Pineapple Pizza

Drives me nuts.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:13:02pm

re: #13 Pineapple Pizza

Pineapple Pizza? I love it. Takes guts to wear a nic like that in these parts. Well done.

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teleskiguy  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:16:43pm

re: #16 thedopefishlives

Pineapple Pizza? I love it. Takes guts to wear a nic like that in these parts. Well done.

I love pineapple pizza. With green peppers and jalapeños.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:19:10pm

re: #17 teleskiguy

I love pineapple pizza. With green peppers and jalapeños.

I prefer mine Hawaiian style - pineapple and ham. I just don’t like peppers in general, let alone on my pizza.

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teleskiguy  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:20:41pm

re: #18 thedopefishlives

I prefer mine Hawaiian style - pineapple and ham. I just don’t like peppers in general, let alone on my pizza.

Yes, the ham! Why did I forget that?

I’m smoking weed and watching a live stream of Umphrey’s McGee in New Orleans.

A-ha!

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gocart mozart  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:21:22pm
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thedopefishlives  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:21:26pm

re: #19 teleskiguy

Yes, the ham! Why did I forget that?

I’m smoking weed and watching a live stream of Umphrey’s McGee in New Orleans.

A-ha!

And I am drinking the last of our liquor (time for a shopping trip!) and indulging in some sci-fi.

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calochortus  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:23:26pm

re: #20 gocart mozart

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Certainly nicer to look at.

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calochortus  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:24:31pm

re: #21 thedopefishlives

And I am drinking the last of our liquor (time for a shopping trip!) and indulging in some sci-fi.

Soon there will be a nice glass of Zinfandel appearing near me.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:27:21pm
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Skip Intro  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:34:33pm

I wonder who’s going to benefit from this? I have a pretty good idea.

Presidential Executive Order on Identifying and Reducing Tax Regulatory Burdens

whitehouse.gov

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Cheechako  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:39:56pm

WOW!! E filed my taxes last week and my refund hit the bank yesterday.

Good service IRS!!

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:41:26pm

re: #4 Stanley Sea

This is from those NJ reporters who are trying to #meetinthemiddle - turned onto them via Lawhawk

Texas Rodeo

[Embedded content]

“How long you men in Texas been mounted on sheep?”
-Rooster Cogburn (John Wayne) mocking Ranger La Boeuf (Glen Campbell) in True Grit (1969).
(edited)

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:42:55pm

re: #26 Cheechako

Imagine how good the service would be if Republicans would deign to fully fund and staff it.

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Cheechako  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:45:15pm

re: #28 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

Imagine how good the service would be if Republicans would deign to fully fund and staff it.

That’s a no-go because that would require Republicans to pay more taxes.

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teleskiguy  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:47:47pm
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Birth Control Works  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:49:39pm

What r u reading?

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Birth Control Works  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:52:34pm
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jaunte  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:55:18pm

The Royals, Trump Edition.

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retired cynic  Apr 21, 2017 • 7:57:51pm

If you are tired of DT and family, here’s some real royalty:

boredpanda.com

I hope Floral is around somewhere!

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Birth Control Works  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:06:58pm
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Birth Control Works  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:10:59pm

March for Science is tomorrow. REALLY wish I was going to participate.

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Interesting Times  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:13:54pm
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calochortus  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:19:31pm

re: #36 Birth Control Works

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March for Science is tomorrow. REALLY wish I was going to participate.

Me too. Mr. C. is working and I have tendonitis in my knee. Grumble, grumble.

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Skip Intro  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:21:39pm

Vice President Mike Pence says the United States will honor a refugee resettlement deal with Australia that President Donald Trump once dubbed “dumb.”

Pence told reporters on Saturday that he had reassured Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull that the U.S. will honor the agreement struck by the Obama administration - even if the U.S. doesn’t “admire” the deal.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:27:40pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:27:56pm
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jaunte  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:29:20pm

North of Dallas. Hard hats recommended.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:30:34pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

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Birth Control Works  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:38:14pm
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while(1) worries++;  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:42:08pm

re: #37 Interesting Times

Do we really have to go thru Trumpcare Millenium Edition? // :P

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Birth Control Works  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:42:12pm

Going thru my mail. Just couldn’t make up some of this stuff if I paid people to do it.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:42:36pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

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You know what I’m doing to get me out of this horrible depressive slump?

Watching Ken Burns’ THE DUST BOWL.

sigh.

Great doc though.

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Jason Munro  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:43:01pm

Charles,
WRT switching from MDB2 to PDO from the last thread:

You could create a thin database layer abstraction. A simple class that mimics the MDB2 interface and internally calls MDB2 methods. Then you can convert the site to use this abstraction layer. Then you can convert the abstraction layer to use PDO. In this way you can migrate without a “big bang” conversion, and if PDO results or inputs are formatted differently than callers expect, you can transform them in the abstraction layer without having to alter every place you make a database query. If someday down the road, PDO is replaced with X, you can repeat the process by just updating the abstraction layer for X.

I have not used MDB2 for a long time, but I have been using PDO in my Open Source project for a couple years, and it’s been solid in PHP 5 and 7 with a handful of different databases.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:44:13pm

re: #42 jaunte

I’ve never seen hail so large it bounced when it hit the ground, except in N. Texas. Almost 20 years ago I was caught in a storm where people jammed up the highway by taking refuge under an overpass. We had multiple windshield fractures because there was no shelter, stuck on Hwy 121. Scary shit.

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calochortus  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:44:25pm

re: #46 while(1) worries++;

Do we really have to go thru Trumpcare Millenium Edition? // :P

Does that make Canada the Mac in this analogy? Safari? Firefox?

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jaunte  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:45:01pm

re: #47 Birth Control Works

Republican board member Marty Rowley said he has received a lot of letters from constituents “wanting to make sure we allow teachers the space to teach the strengths and weaknesses of evolution, and that we cover them with the depth that allows our students to compete globally in science.”

..he said, bearing false witness.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:45:49pm

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Maternal disorders: maternal hemorrhage; maternal sepsis and other maternal infections; maternal hypertensive disorders; maternal obstructed labor and uterine rupture; maternal abortion, miscarriage and ectopic pregnancy; indirect maternal deaths; late maternal deaths; other maternal disorders; maternal deaths aggravated by HIV/AIDS

Check out the time-line.

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while(1) worries++;  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:45:59pm

re: #31 Birth Control Works

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What r u reading?

Honestly, I need to pick up reading again. The last one I was reading was Infidel.

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calochortus  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:50:06pm

re: #50 Flying Squirrel Girl

I’ve never seen hail so large it bounced when it hit the ground, except in N. Texas. Almost 20 years ago I was caught in a storm where people jammed up the highway by taking refuge under an overpass. We had multiple windshield fractures because there was no shelter, stuck on Hwy 121. Scary shit.

I was in a really bad hailstorm in the Denver area once. Fortunately, I was home, the cars were in the garage and our roof survived, but it was epic and not everyone was so lucky. Insurance companies didn’t even bother to come out and look if you filed a claim, they just paid for your new roof, or car repairs or whatever.

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jaunte  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:50:21pm

Because questioning evolutionary science is the missing critical element of competing globally in science.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:50:46pm

I don’t post often but I constantly lurk. Last weekend the hubs and I spent a weekend in Austin, hanging with friends and seeing 3 nights of String Cheese Incident at Stubbs. It was the most fun I’ve had in a long damn time, and the music was amazing. On Friday night the encore was “Whiskey River,” and I swear that place almost burned down. I haven’t had that much fun in a long, LONG time.

I’m still not over it. In a good way. :)

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teleskiguy  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:51:51pm
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Birth Control Works  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:53:35pm

Finished my mail, You can relax now. I won’t be posting much.

:0

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:53:46pm

Pro-tip for science majors who might want to work in, or wth people from, other countries: Learn to say “I am not a creationist” in the local language. In some places, China for example, you might want to have it printed up on a sign you can wear around your neck. In fact, the sign might be a good idea in certain English speaking countries like the UK.

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jaunte  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:54:56pm

re: #60 Shiplord Kirel

“I am from Texas, but am not a creationist.”

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Birth Control Works  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:58:17pm

re: #61 jaunte

“I am from Texas, but am not a creationist.”

and yes, my POTUS is a grifter.”

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 21, 2017 • 8:58:35pm

If an English or Chinese colleague asks what “creationist” means, I will just say that it is American slang for “crackpot.”

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:00:01pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:00:14pm

To think that just over a decade ago this place was crawling with creationists. Some Bobby Dylan song comes to mind…

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jaunte  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:01:42pm

“…When science is for everyone, it is transparent, accessible and broadly communicated. It has direct benefits to public health and our economy, contributes to a culture of innovation and discovery, and supports education and engagement at all stages of life. The intersections between science and politics may feel new, but they’re not. The outcomes of scientific research have always extended well beyond the lab and the boardroom. Our work has implications for our environment, public health, civil rights, economics, education and national defense. This means science has always been political. And I believe that this is a feature, not a bug.”

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:07:32pm

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Interesting Times  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:07:45pm

“This may not seem ordinary to you now,” Aunt Lydia tells the Handmaids, “but after a time it will.” And that is exactly what they want you to believe. Fundamentalism asks you to endure a thousand separate indignities, and tells you this is freedom. They sell it to you by telling you it’s feminism—or “empowerment” or “choice,” if the f-word feels a bit too threatening. They promise you it’ll fix your problems and the world’s, too. Like any authoritarian ideology, it expects you to tire of fighting.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:13:15pm

re: #68 Interesting Times

I swear I thought that was Kellyanne Conway for a moment there.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:14:34pm

re: #42 jaunte

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North of Dallas. Hard hats recommended.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuukkk

“Largest I’ve seen from tonights severe storms”

The largest I saw in 12 years of living in North TX was about golf-ball size. I know 380 in McKinney… That kind of stuff hitting the Metroplex directly would be like a damned Chinese airstrike. The hail bands that hit Grapevine/Euless in 2011 and 2013, and the storm early last year that hailed on south Ft. Worth during rush hour, tied up rental companies and insurance agents for weeks, if not months. And those were individual storms.

Reason I left Texas #28…

Though, weirdly, the only time my car has ever been hailed on since I bought it in 2010, was two weeks ago out here on a coastal Georgia island. The rackasasaffrasin’ hail followed me out here.

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jaunte  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:15:40pm

re: #69 Eclectic Cyborg

I think that was the illustrator’s intent.

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Interesting Times  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:15:48pm

re: #69 Eclectic Cyborg

I swear I thought that was Kellyanne Conway for a moment there.

It is. (Though if you want to get technical, it would’ve been more accurate to illustrate her as the Aunt Lydia character)

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Dave In Austin  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:17:22pm

I haven’t posted the owl up lately. After 4 of 5 eggs hatching, I think these birds will fledge within a week. I have no clue about the owls in our box other than Lucy is showing herself in the opening a lot more than she has and Larry sits off above the box about 20 ft way during the day. The nice thing is they seem oblivious to us doing yardwork or just sitting and watching.

grapevineowlcam.org

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:19:04pm

re: #72 Interesting Times

It is. (Though if you want to get technical, it would’ve been more accurate to illustrate her as the Aunt Lydia character)

Ahh okay. So my eyes DO work!

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:21:22pm

re: #65 teleskiguy

To think that just over a decade ago this place was crawling with creationists. Some Bobby Dylan song comes to mind…

The place had been so focused on national security and politics that some of us were just not aware of just how many cretinists there were among the old hands. I don’t remember how it came up (may have been while I was in Iraq) but come up it did. There was a furious battle over it. You can see who won. It was a significant part of the “big break” with the right.

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Birth Control Works  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:22:55pm

going to let photoshop absorb me.

bbl

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teleskiguy  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:24:12pm

re: #75 Shiplord Kirel

The place had been so focused on national security and politics that some of us were just not aware of just how many cretinists there were among the old hands. I don’t remember how it came up (may have been while I was in Iraq) but come up it did. There was a furious battle over it. You can see who won. It was a significant part of the “big break” with the right.

I remember when it happened. I remember the very post.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:27:33pm

re: #77 teleskiguy

I remember when it happened. I remember the very post.

I remember now. I was here for that. I remember being taken aback by the hostile reaction of many of the then-members.

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petesh  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:37:40pm

re: #77 teleskiguy

I remember when it happened. I remember the very post.

Good grief! I started scrolling through the comments and began tripping over my own jaw. Also, 2,778 views and 2357 comments — say what?

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retired cynic  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:39:16pm

re: #77 teleskiguy

I remember when it happened. I remember the very post.

OMFG.

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jaunte  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:42:33pm

re: #78 Shiplord Kirel

I remember now. I was here for that. I remember being taken aback by the hostile reaction of many of the then-members.

It was very strange to see people discounting the evidence that some scientists had spent their lifetimes gathering and testing, because they had a feeling.

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makeitstop  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:48:26pm

I took a minute to look at the lyrics for this song. Strangely relevant.

Elvis Costello - Brilliant Mistake

He thought he was the King of America
Where they pour Coca Cola just like vintage wine
Now I try hard not to become hysterical
But I’m not sure if I am laughing or crying
I wish that I could push a button
And talk in the past and not the present tense
And watch this hurtin’ feeling disappear
Like it was common sense
It was a fine idea at the time
Now it’s a brilliant mistake

She said that she was working for the ABC News
It was as much of the alphabet as she knew how to use
Her perfume was unspeakable
It lingered in the air
Like her artificial laughter
Her mementos of affairs
“Oh” I said “I see you know him”
“Isn’t that very fortunate for you”
And she showed me his calling card
He came third or fourth and there were more than one or two
He was a fine idea at the time
Now he’s a brilliant mistake

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teleskiguy  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:49:08pm

Little Green Footballs. Very interesting website.

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teleskiguy  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:52:35pm

re: #83 teleskiguy

Little Green Footballs. Very interesting website.

re: #77 teleskiguy

I remember when it happened. I remember the very post.

I couldn’t help but note that this was posted on 4/20 nine years ago.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 21, 2017 • 9:55:35pm

re: #57 Flying Squirrel Girl

I don’t post often but I constantly lurk. Last weekend the hubs and I spent a weekend in Austin, hanging with friends and seeing 3 nights of String Cheese Incident at Stubbs. It was the most fun I’ve had in a long damn time, and the music was amazing. On Friday night the encore was “Whiskey River,” and I swear that place almost burned down. I haven’t had that much fun in a long, LONG time.

I’m still not over it. In a good way. :)

Be sure to check out ACL in Sept/Oct if you ever get a chance. :)

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:15:20pm

It is said that this is the century of biology, as the 20th was of physics and the 19th of mechanics. If so, creationism is a deep hole in which competitors can bury American scientific leadership.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:43:21pm

Just accidentally discovered that you can power level Conjuration in Skyrim by just standing over a corpse and casting Soul Trap over and over again.

WTF is wrong with Bethesda?

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Targetpractice  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:46:03pm

re: #87 goddamnedfrank

Just accidentally discovered that you can power level Conjuration in Skyrim by just standing over a corpse and casting Soul Trap over and over again.

WTF is wrong with Bethesda?

You want that list categorically or alphabetically?

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William Lewis  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:46:24pm

re: #87 goddamnedfrank

Just accidentally discovered that you can power level Conjuration in Skyrim by just standing over a corpse and casting Soul Trap over and over again.

WTF is wrong with Bethesda?

Interesting. I recently picked up Morrowind to start playing that series. Good game, love the concept, just not sure I’m going to have the kind of time it’s going to take to really get going in it. Maybe when I can afford a Nintendo Switch they’ll the port of Skyrim that is supposedly coming done.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:51:16pm

re: #79 petesh

Good grief! I started scrolling through the comments and began tripping over my own jaw. Also, 2,778 views and 2357 comments — say what?

Wow. I would NOT have been comfortable here back then.

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William Lewis  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:53:43pm

re: #90 Blind Frog Belly White

Wow. I would NOT have been comfortable here back then.

I joined about 18 months later. By then, things had already drastically changed and would continue to change. A small number of names there I miss; a much larger number I’d rather tell to “piss up a rope” (for those who remember her…)

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Swampwitch  Apr 21, 2017 • 10:56:53pm

re: #90 Blind Frog Belly White

I wouldn’t have lasted 10 minutes here back then. However, I will say I’ve never seen so many rightwingers with actual spelling and grammar skills. Kinda scary…

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JordanRules  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:07:37pm

Speaking of creation, I love how the site evolved. Heh!

Such a different place that I would’ve never frequented but that history makes it interesting in a way. It’s like the overcooked fond in a pan, then you add some cool ass liquid and an amazing dish is built.

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Teukka  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:07:48pm

Morning music on this side of the pond… It’s no secret that I’m an Evanscence fan, but this is 47 or so min of acoustic stuff:

Evanescence - Acoustic Songs

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I cannot.  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:08:51pm

re: #92 Swampwitch

Even when LGF was crazy, LGF had a higher quality of crazy.

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Teukka  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:13:34pm

re: #94 Teukka

Morning music on this side of the pond… It’s no secret that I’m an Evanscence fan, but this is 47 or so min of acoustic stuff:

[Embedded content]

And the lead singer is pursuing a solo career…

AMY LEE - Speak To Me (Official Music Video)

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:24:00pm

I have been here since October 23, 2001. Lawhawk has been here longer. I’m not sure about anyone else.

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I cannot.  Apr 21, 2017 • 11:27:43pm

re: #97 Shiplord Kirel

Hey, Lawhawk, I already found the perfect response for you…

KOSH - I Have Always Been Here

(Relatively speaking, Imma noob)

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 22, 2017 • 12:28:20am

Some tool on Faux News is saying that hordes of “paid protesters” are converging on DC for the March for Science, as though there are no real scientists or real people who support them. The slack-jawed Faux audience will buy it though. To them, a “billion” might as well be infinity, so they have no trouble believing that a billionaire like Soros could easily shell out thousands of dollars each to thousands of people every day for years on end. That kind of expense is in the same ballpark as, say, the Marine Corps payroll but no word of it or real proof ever leaks out, not even a check stub. The Faux dupes could never imagine that the more numerous right-wing billionaires would resort to such tactics, since their support comes straight from the heart of every patriotic ‘merkin and no other inducement is needed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 12:42:45am

re: #99 Shiplord Kirel

Some tool on Faux News is saying that hordes of “paid protesters” are converging on DC for the March for Science, as though there are no real scientists or real people who support them.

Citizens United made it clear that money has a place in politics. If it can buy candidates, what is wrong with it buying protesters?

The answer is, of course, that it is only wrong when it buys the wrong kind of protesters.

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teleskiguy  Apr 22, 2017 • 12:49:18am

re: #79 petesh

Good grief! I started scrolling through the comments and began tripping over my own jaw. Also, 2,778 views and 2357 comments — say what?

That was before LGF fully integrated Facebook and Twitter sharing, waaay before. LGF has changed mucho grande since those days.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 12:50:28am

re: #101 teleskiguy

That was before LGF fully integrated Facebook and Twitter sharing, waaay before. LGF has changed mucho grande since those days.

I joined LGF right on the cusp of the Great Shift. And even though it was still rather conservative back then, I was always impressed by the fact that it was soundly against RW creationist nonsense.

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teleskiguy  Apr 22, 2017 • 12:53:42am

re: #91 William Lewis

I joined about 18 months later. By then, things had already drastically changed and would continue to change. A small number of names there I miss; a much larger number I’d rather tell to “piss up a rope” (for those who remember her…)

Piss Up a Rope

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Cheechako  Apr 22, 2017 • 12:57:04am

re: #103 teleskiguy

AanGo4FEN0hzY7G1cQhCKVd8wYJp8F/WEebx+J3jTcS1SVI/SFj2J15T1ppIvJfthgRo3I+6N6kYJWYjz2LsXqvlCJcVjhJMMTqSgIfcz6M4/xHH8py9qpnWTKQSX8Czs0FwqxLQj8wY0ykRKCL0u4y3U5qelO1iF/Q84PfhvR48I1TcHMlZQt63N68Bfm+/MJ8x08By6cF91rRTh1WYP+GADy0ZW49ks4k5Oa3N139NT43hrZTh8Q==

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teleskiguy  Apr 22, 2017 • 12:57:11am

re: #102 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I joined LGF right on the cusp of the Great Shift. And even though it was still rather conservative back then, I was always impressed by the fact that it was soundly against RW creationist nonsense.

I first heard of LGF on Matt Drudge’s radio show, 2004 or so.

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teleskiguy  Apr 22, 2017 • 12:58:21am

re: #104 Cheechako

Oh no! ☹️

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teleskiguy  Apr 22, 2017 • 1:03:22am

5OuNxs/YpXWG6mRmzFeB8x5k3k/A+r5RVMHZzmqqwiyAWQSJxVfin8kUt1fEZE2WrZkstrEOLR1LWyq/bqlFPdO766WSob0yQjzRhWnYVKOQUeH3BS/KDA6ALbUtjB/Dp+zoGiSxGPOPSXN2RD0rJtqEVfgTam4UBa8iOpd6nAh27WXQ8JvfMZnV1ONaHOVEkaOnrQBVfxJAzVIMCnwKlg==

LGF has most definitely evolved. In a spectacularly good way.

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teleskiguy  Apr 22, 2017 • 1:06:50am

re: #97 Shiplord Kirel

I have been here since October 23, 2001. Lawhawk has been here longer. I’m not sure about anyone else.

You, Kragar, lawhawk…

I can’t think of any other OG Lizards, to be honest…

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teleskiguy  Apr 22, 2017 • 1:07:59am

re: #108 teleskiguy

Oh, Alouette’s been here for some time. Silly me, forgetting her.

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Cheechako  Apr 22, 2017 • 1:08:47am

G’nite all.

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 1:12:48am

re: #31 Birth Control Works

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What r u reading?

“The Imagineers of War” by Sharon Weinberger - the history of DARPA.

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JordanRules  Apr 22, 2017 • 1:22:38am

re: #108 teleskiguy

Salute OG lizards!

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 1:58:12am

re: #77 teleskiguy

I remember when it happened. I remember the very post.

Wow. I’m always enlightened when someone brings in one of Mr. Johnson’s older articles prior to his re-alignment of Little Green Footballs (since I was not here when that happened).

Scrolling through the comments in the article you linked, (I don’t think I’m going to go through all three thousand plus) I note two things:

a) There really were a lot of scientifically-illiterate people here (even more so than me with my poor education)
b) Most of the names there I have not seen here since I joined.

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 2:03:03am

re: #81 jaunte

It was very strange to see people discounting the evidence that some scientists had spent their lifetimes gathering and testing, because they had a feeling.

And not just the subject the article was about (Ben Stein’s movie): Almost immediately someone brought in climate science and unironically compared it to religion then claimed it wasn’t true.

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IngisKahn  Apr 22, 2017 • 2:16:37am

And some of us do more lurking than posting… but you can see my dings everywhere :p

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teleskiguy  Apr 22, 2017 • 2:29:18am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 2:35:53am

re: #116 teleskiguy

Just hit the 200 follower mark. Got a lot of catching up to do. Spread the word…to your friends who like to kick ass.

kick ass

grab pussy

play golf

sounds like a full schedule…

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BlueSpotinAL  Apr 22, 2017 • 2:37:50am

re: #114 Anymouse

And not just the subject the article was about (Ben Stein’s movie): Almost immediately someone brought in climate science and unironically compared it to religion then claimed it wasn’t true.

Let us look how the temperature has changed since 2008 (One comment noted the cooling from 2007 to 2008):

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2017 • 2:52:55am

re: #116 teleskiguy

I think I have more Twitter followers than he does.

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 2:53:14am

re: #118 BlueSpotinAL

Let us look how the temperature has changed since 2008 (One comment noted the cooling from 2007 to 2008):

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That comment thread is wild, claiming everything from “leftists destroying the education system” to comparing “not allowing intelligent design to be taught is just as bad as or is the same thing as fascism.

Trying to claim that scientific consensus is socialism. Gaa.

I don’t think I would have lasted fifty microseconds if I’d first come across this site then I would never have come back. It is only because I read about Mr. Johnson’s site and his post about why he was changing the direction of the site at Huffington Post that even brought me here to check it out. I’d never heard of this place before that article.

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teleskiguy  Apr 22, 2017 • 2:55:41am

re: #119 wheat-dogg

I think I have more Twitter followers than he does.

You don’t. That’s an old tweet. From 2009. He has 101,075 followers now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 2:56:34am

re: #120 Anymouse

That comment thread is wild, claiming everything from “leftists destroying the education system” to comparing “not allowing intelligent design to be taught is just as bad as or is the same thing as fascism.

Trying to claim that scientific consensus is socialism. Gaa.

I don’t think I would have lasted fifty microseconds if I’d first come across this site then I would never have come back. It is only because I read about Mr. Johnson’s site and his post about why he was changing the direction of the site at Huffington Post that even brought me here to check it out. I’d never heard of this place before that article.

The general wingnut consensus seems to be that Climate Change is a hoax and part of (Soros-funded) plot to wreck capitalism and promote world government (naturally secularist-socialist in nature)

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teleskiguy  Apr 22, 2017 • 2:59:12am

re: #120 Anymouse

Greenhorn.

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:01:35am

And the presumably conservative but science-supporting commentators in that article were being savaged by the ID proponents, such as this:

424 - Bob in Breckenridge
Apr 20, 2008 • 3:25:41pm

re: #362 gmsc

Yet again, non-scientists think that a theory, in a scientific context, is the same as an unproven guess.

If you persist in refusing to understand even the most basic concepts, what encouragement am I supposed to have in explaining things any further to you?

You pal, are a real asshole.

I think so far I have read every wingnut claim for creationism (I note none of the commentators back then were arguing for Hindu, or dare I say it, Muslim creationism) in one comment thread.

All those claims that are PRATTs (points refuted a thousand times). Gaa. Neez moar booz.

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I cannot.  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:01:40am

re: #122 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The general wingnut consensus seems to be that Climate Change is a hoax and part of (Soros-funded) plot to wreck capitalism and promote world government (naturally secularist-socialist in nature)

And even if it is real, its still part of a plot for destroying capitalism and OWG, and its not our fault because the climate DOES change naturally, so we shouldn’t try to stop it…and even if it IS our fault we shouldn’t do anything about it because DOING SOMETHING is part of a plot to wreck capitalism and promote OWG…and also, because fuck you, libtards! which, if you get down to it, is their actual reason.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:03:30am

re: #121 teleskiguy

You don’t. That’s an old tweet. From 2009. He has 101,075 followers now.

Oh well. I guess I need to work on fake aikido skillz and get movie roles in Z-grade flicks.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:03:49am

re: #125 I cannot.

And even if it is real, its still part of a plot for destroying capitalism and OWG, and its not our fault because the climate DOES change naturally, so we shouldn’t try to stop it…and even if it IS our fault we shouldn’t do anything about it because DOING SOMETHING is part of a plot to wreck capitalism and promote OWG…and also, because fuck you, libtards! which, if you get down to it, is their actual reason.

Well, anything that a liberal supports, they have to totally oppose out of principle.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:04:26am

re: #122 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The general wingnut consensus seems to be that Climate Change is a hoax and part of (Soros-funded) plot to wreck capitalism and promote world government (naturally secularist-socialist in nature)

Right up there with the UN, fluoride, and mandatory vaccinations.

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:05:45am

re: #125 I cannot.

…and also, because fuck you, libtards! which, if you get down to it, is their actual reason.

That does seem to be the reason. All those politicians who claim “I’m not a scientist” when it comes to climate change (therefore it must be untrue) all seem to be defence analysts and obstetricians.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:05:46am

re: #126 wheat-dogg

Oh well. I guess I need to work on fake aikido skillz and get movie roles in Z-grade flicks.

and become a Friend of Putin

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:06:01am

re: #128 wheat-dogg

Right up there with the UN, fluoride, and mandatory vaccinations.

the purity of our bodily fluids

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teleskiguy  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:06:15am

re: #126 wheat-dogg

Oh well. I guess I need to work on fake aikido skillz and get movie roles in Z-grade flicks.

And grow a super-thick goatee and dye it black.

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teleskiguy  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:08:14am

re: #132 teleskiguy

And grow a super-thick goatee and dye it black.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:08:30am

re: #130 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and become a Friend of Putin

re: #132 teleskiguy

And grow a super-thick goatee and dye it black.

Of those, I only have the goatee, and it’s white (mostly). I can get the hair dye Chinese men use to keep their hair jet-black, I suppose. Not sure if being a pal of Putin is a wise option long-term, though.

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:09:27am

re: #128 wheat-dogg

Right up there with the UN, fluoride, and mandatory vaccinations.

Yeah, I’m all in on mandatory vaccines, and as far as my weak history goes, the UN and fluoridation issues were a John Birch Society thing (conservatism doesn’t seem to change much).

Perhaps we wouldn’t be having a measles outbreak around me now if this state was more serious about vaccinations. Perhaps I wouldn’t have contracted adult mumps and damn near died from a conservative anti-vaxxer’s Christmas carolling child. (It’s not a War on Christmas, it’s biologically-weaponising Christmas.)

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:10:37am

re: #133 teleskiguy

I’m also much trimmer than SS is now. Thankfully.

Of his many, many movies, the only one I really could watch over and over is Siege, the one on the Navy ship. The rest are just variations on a theme.

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teleskiguy  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:12:18am

re: #136 wheat-dogg

Under Siege 2 was filmed right up the road from my house.

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Lupin  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:13:47am

Is Alex Jones really the biological father of “his” kids? Has DNA testing been done? Is that woman really his wife? She sure looks like an actress to me. I bet i saw her in a crowd scene in an AVENGERS film. Maybe his court case is a false flag to divert attention from his Russian connection. Inquiring minds want to know.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:14:38am

re: #137 teleskiguy

Under Siege 2 was filmed right up the road from my house.

That’s the train one, right? It would have been cool to watch the filming.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:15:11am

re: #135 Anymouse

Yeah, I’m all in on mandatory vaccines, and as far as my weak history goes, the UN and fluoridation issues were a John Birch Society thing (conservatism doesn’t seem to change much).

Perhaps we wouldn’t be having a measles outbreak around me now if this state was more serious about vaccinations. Perhaps I wouldn’t have contracted adult mumps and damn near died from a conservative anti-vaxxer’s Christmas carolling child. (It’s not a War on Christmas, it’s biologically-weaponising Christmas.)

Anti-Vaxx is one of those cases where anti-Big Pharma, anti-Western Medicine moonbats overlap with anti-Big Government, anti-Modern Science wingnuts overlap to produce a critical mass of derp with potentially fatal results.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:15:29am

re: #138 Lupin

Is Alex Jones really the biological father of “his” kids? Has DNA testing been done? Is that woman really his wife? She sure looks like an actress to me. I bet i saw her in a crows scene in an AVENGERS film. Maybe his court case is a false flag to divert attention from his Russian connection. Inquiring minds want to know.

His children are actually reptilian ETs disguised as humans.

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teleskiguy  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:17:26am

re: #139 wheat-dogg

That’s the train one, right? It would have been cool to watch the filming.

Yes! The train one.

They jumped a pick-up into the Colorado River and did all kinds of cool shit with the train.

I couldn’t watch the filming, I was in primary school.

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:18:33am

Where do you even find common ground with arguments like this one:

472 pat
Apr 20, 2008 • 3:34:08pm

Ok. So we all still agree that the Left is Satanic?

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:18:54am

re: #140 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Anti-Vaxx is one of those cases where anti-Big Pharma, anti-Western Medicine moonbats overlap with anti-Big Government, anti-Modern Science wingnuts overlap to produce a critical mass of derp with potentially fatal results.

It’s not far removed from the radical militants in some African and South Asian countries who see vaccinations as heresy, or genocide by western powers. Polio has made a resurgence on the Indian subcontinent, because health workers are targeted by Taliban, ISIS, and you name it.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:20:40am

re: #142 teleskiguy

Yes! The train one.

They jumped a pick-up into the Colorado River and did all kinds of cool shit with the train.

I couldn’t watch the filming, I was in primary school.

That one was not half-bad, but really the same plot, and without Tommy Lee Jones as a foil.

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:21:59am

re: #140 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Anti-Vaxx is one of those cases where anti-Big Pharma, anti-Western Medicine moonbats overlap with anti-Big Government, anti-Modern Science wingnuts overlap to produce a critical mass of derp with potentially fatal results.

Well, we don’t even have a bunch of left-leaners here, moonbats are right out.

(Made a joke to my wife when we were driving to California in December - right after the “entering California” sign on I-80 was a yoga studio. I noted that was the state welcome centre.)

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teleskiguy  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:24:03am

re: #145 wheat-dogg

That one was not half-bad, but really the same plot, but without Tommy Lee Jones as a foil.

I thought Eric Bogosian played a good weird villain, twisted computer genius.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:25:28am

re: #146 Anymouse

Well, we don’t even have a bunch of left-leaners here, moonbats are right out.

(Made a joke to my wife when we were driving to California in December - right after the “entering California” sign on I-80 was a yoga studio. I noted that was the state welcome centre.)

I lived in Sedona, Arizona, in the early 80’s. There were esoteric crystal heads floating around there already, but they were mostly hiding in the woodwork. They have since taken over the place.

There is supposed to be a powerful psychic vortex located there, which cannot possibly be connected to the fact that it has the most astounding scenery, the most perfect climate and a high concentration of millionaires and tourists.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:28:02am

re: #148 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I lived in Sedona, Arizona, in the early 80’s. There were esoteric crystal heads floating around there already, but they were mostly hiding in the woodwork. They have since taken over the place.

There is supposed to be a powerful psychic vortex located there, which cannot possibly be connected to the fact that it has the most astounding scenery, the most perfect climate and a high concentration of millionaires and tourists.

Ley lines supposedly converge there, according to a New Ager I know.

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teleskiguy  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:29:20am

re: #148 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Sedona, the only McDonald’s Arches in the world that’s not yellow!

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:40:18am

Still going through that thread - what a Dumpster fire. I’m guessing it is one of the all-time highest comment threads on this Website.

LOL - raises hand to answer:

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Ojoe
Apr 20, 2008 • 3:48:20pm

Which human being on this LGF blog here created themselves?

Raise your hand.

Don’t see too many …

a) I did. I signed up, created my entire profile here (though I used the tools Mr. Johnson provided - I guess that makes Mr. Johnson the Creator of All Things).

b) Well, when your two parents are very much in love… .

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teleskiguy  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:53:33am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 3:59:41am

From the BBC

Britain went a full day without using coal to generate electricity for the first time since the Industrial Revolution, the National Grid says.

Now Britain is a bit of an exception because they have access to natural gas from the North Sea, but it also shows that they realize it is time to abandon an outdated source of energy.

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 4:14:49am

re: #153 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

From the BBC

Britain went a full day without using coal to generate electricity for the first time since the Industrial Revolution, the National Grid says.

Now Britain is a bit of an exception because they have access to natural gas from the North Sea, but it also shows that they realize it is time to abandon an outdated source of energy.

Meanwhile our EPA director goes on a tour of the most-polluting coal-fired power plants in the USA, touting the non-existent conservative “War on Coal” talking point (when it is really technology that is driving coal to extinction, not “liberals”).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 4:18:03am

re: #154 Anymouse

Meanwhile our EPA director goes on a tour of the most-polluting coal-fired power plants in the USA, touting the non-existent conservative “War on Coal” talking point (when it is really technology that is driving coal to extinction, not “liberals”).

Big difference: British coal miners were overwhelmingly Labour Party supporters, whereas American coal miners have been won over to the GOP.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 4:39:11am

We are also dealing with a mentality that measures wealth and prosperity in terms of how much we consume and how many resources we use, not how well or effectively we use them.

And of course “environmental whackos” are portrayed as people who want us all to live in lean-tos and wipe our asses with leaves, not people who want to abandon obsolete, wasteful and polluting technology in favor of new technological innovations.

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 4:44:34am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We are also dealing with a mentality that measures wealth and prosperity in terms of how much we consume and how many resources we use, not how well or effectively we use them.

And of course “environmental whackos” are people who want us all to live in lean-tos and wipe our asses with leaves, not people who want to abandon obsolete, wasteful and polluting technology in favor of new technological innovations.

I abandoned my polluting gasoline-powered lawn mower (well, to be fair, it failed and repair would be too costly) for a basket lawnmower and a scythe. (I can mow my lawn just as fast.)

Not all environmentalism is about “living in lean-tos” as folk like Scott Pruitt would have everyone believe.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Apr 22, 2017 • 5:42:06am

re: #85 GlutenFreeJesus

I have, although I haven’t been to one since 2010.

Fun memory: I attended the first ACL in 2002 or so, when it was only a 2-day affair, with my dad (RIP). We left one show early to get a good spot at the next one and were walking across the park when a camera crew made a beeline for us. They said we “looked like Austin” (we were from Dallas), and asked if we’d film a spot to be used in a commercial for the local Fox affiliate (yeah, yeah I know). We signed releases and they filmed us saying something like, “Happy birthday FOX Austin!” or some such shit.

My dad was working south of Austin in Buda, and a couple weeks later when he went in to the local convenience store to get his morning ritual of powdered donuts and chocolate milk, all the ladies working in the store were beside themselves because they had seen his commercial! My college roommate’s mom called her to say, “I think I just saw A and her dad on TV!”

Good times, hadn’t thought of that in years. Sigh…I miss the old man.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 5:42:47am

re: #157 Anymouse

I abandoned my polluting gasoline-powered lawn mower (well, to be fair, it failed and repair would be too costly) for a basket lawnmower and a scythe. (I can mow my lawn just as fast.)

Not all environmentalism is about “living in lean-tos” as folk like Scott Pruitt would have everyone believe.

I lived with a push lawnmower (we had a relatively small lawn) until we got chickens. We had them running about during the day, and their fertilizer made the lawn too thick to get through with a push mower.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 22, 2017 • 5:52:44am

Since we were talking about the bad old days here at LGF, I have been looking over my old posts. Some were good early on, as when I got flamed for suggesting that Obama was actually a decent human being.
Some are a bit embarrassing, but I admit to having evolved. I might even have been funnier as a wingnut. If you want to see me at my right-wing snarkiest, check this one out from 9 years ago today. Greetings Comrades!

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 5:56:03am

re: #159 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I lived with a push lawnmower (we had a relatively small lawn) until we got chickens. We had them running about during the day, and their fertilizer made the lawn too thick to get through with a push mower.

We don’t need to worry too much about our chickens … too few and grass in Western Nebraska is mostly a mythical construct (something like our time zone)…

While my “lawn” has something resembling grass, it has way more Russian thistle (tumbleweeds) and such.

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Nyet  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:04:12am
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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:05:05am

Still going through those comments on creationism:

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mama winger
Apr 20, 2008 • 7:16:09pm

WE can discuss this issue [intelligent design] here on LGF. Why is it that kids in [science] classrooms cannot?

So I see the issue of wingnuts not understanding the I Amendment isn’t a new problem. And I’ll bet the person who wrote that would be all in for teaching Islam’s version of creation, or Hinduism’s version of creation, or Aboriginal version of creation, &c &c &c… .

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Nyet  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:06:48am

re: #132 teleskiguy

And grow a super-thick goatee and dye it black.

OFFICIAL - Westworld Soundtrack - Paint It, Black - Ramin Djawadi

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:06:56am

re: #163 Anymouse

Still going through those comments on creationism:

So I see the issue of wingnuts not understanding the I Amendment isn’t a new problem. And I’ll bet the person who wrote that would be all in for teaching Islam’s version of creation, or Hinduism’s version of creation, or Aboriginal version of creation, &c &c &c… .

They call it “teach the conflict” but mean “teach the Bible”.

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lawhawk  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:07:04am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the overcast NYC metro area. Looks like Trump’s screwing over our allies again. This time, Trump’s decided that it’s time to pursue a trade deal with the EU, and it leaves the UK out in the cold.

Ayep. Putin’s strategy of dividing the EU/US/NATO alliances is working out famously.

Trump didn’t even know what Brexit was before his trip to the UK last year. Then he decided he supported it. Now that the UK voted to exit, he’s decided that he’d rather negotiate a new trade deal with the EU. The timing of that is, well, curious.

Trump, who claimed that the exit would improve the UK economy and sovereignty, just decided to deal with the EU first. That means the UK just got the shaft.

Meanwhile, Trump decided last night to switch up the US Surgeon General position. He replaced Surgeon General Vivek Murthy (Adm) with Rear Admiral Sylvia Trent Adams, who was a Deputy Surgeon General.

Trump’s taking heat because she’s a nurse, whereas prior Surgeons General were doctors. I get that, but she’s qualified enough to have been a deputy surgeon general under Obama. There’s a certain level of professionalism at the health corps, so this isn’t as big a deal to me as it might be to others, but for the fact that it was done on the down low - a late Friday night news dump.

Nothing this admin does is normal, and that’s just another sign.

Meanwhile, 100s of positions throughout the government are unfilled, whether it’s deputy positions at federal agencies - the people who carry out the political policies from the top, to the federal attorneys who Trump demanded resignations from out of the blue and he’s yet to name a single replacement.

Everything Trump’s doing is hamstringing functioning government, and the GOP continues enabling, because sabotaging government so it fails is just a check-mark on their intention to cutting government funding all because government isn’t working. It’s a cycle of destruction, the purpose of which is to ultimately funnel tax cuts for the rich. It’s not to cut the deficits or reduce debt, which will explode as the tax cuts kick in.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:10:17am

re: #166 lawhawk

It’s a cycle of destruction, the purpose of which is to ultimately funnel tax cuts for the rich.

It is also about dismantling the New Deal.

Once that is done, they will move on to their grand design of re-assembling the Confederacy…

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lawhawk  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:13:12am

re: #167 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yup. It’s what the GOP thinks is their one big chance to completely rework government, gutting Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and every other social advance from the past 70+ years.

They’re seeking a return to the Gilded Age, where the robber barons accumulated massive wealthy while everyone else got fucked.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:15:04am

re: #168 lawhawk

Yup. It’s what the GOP thinks is their one big chance to completely rework government, gutting Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and every other social advance from the past 70+ years.

They’re seeking a return to the Gilded Age, where the robber barons job creators accumulated massive wealthy while everyone else got fucked good non-union jobs with benefits in mining and manufacturing.

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lawhawk  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:17:58am

Oh look, someone thinks Trump can learn from his mistakes:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:20:06am

re: #170 lawhawk

The Atlantic:
Trump should use his difficulties as a teachable moment

I used to enjoy reading The Atlantic.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:22:29am

re: #82 makeitstop

I took a minute to look at the lyrics for this song. Strangely relevant.

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God I love that song!

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:28:36am
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darthstar  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:34:12am
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lawhawk  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:37:16am

re: #173 FormerDirtDart

Unfu…

Nope. Totally fucking believable.

Why? John Miller/John Bannon/John Banon.

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jeffreyw  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:38:38am

Imgur
Good morning!

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lawhawk  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:39:35am
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jaunte  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:42:37am

re: #177 lawhawk

Trump’s business experience is that he can say anything and it doesn’t matter. Absolutely the worst training for a president.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:43:26am

re: #178 jaunte

Trump’s business experience is that he can say anything and it doesn’t matter. Absolutely the worst training for a president.

and that he can declare bankruptcy, pay pennies on the dollar and walk away…

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jaunte  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:44:01am

re: #179 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“It’ll be great, I’m telling you.”

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:44:05am

Uggh, had I read this (rather long) comment here, I would never have been back.

Aside from all the people in the thread claiming Hitler’s ideology was inspired by Darwin (ignoring Nazi Germany burned Darwin’s books and forbade their teaching), Nazi apologetics (and distortion of history) in this comment is stomach-turning (which is why I put the comment behind the privacy tag).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:46:45am

I find it funny that people who reject Evolution just love them some Social Darwinism…

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:50:53am

Just scanned an article at Politico about Pat Buchanan: “The ideas made it, but I didn’t.”

Basically it claims that in Trump we see the culmination of PB’s basic positions except without Buchanan in the WH. Damned if I don’t agree.

politico.com

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:53:38am
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darthstar  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:54:07am

re: #176 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Can’t eat that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:54:19am

re: #183 Barefoot Grin

Just scanned an article at Politico about Pat Buchanan: “The ideas made it, but I didn’t.”

Basically it claims that in Trump we see the culmination of PB’s basic positions except without Buchanan in the WH. Damned if I don’t agree.

politico.com

Because PB was a politician. Trump’s marketing ploy was to sell himself as the anti-politician. As a result, he could violate every rule for and convention of campaigning and not only get away with it, but even gain more supporters.

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451_Montag  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:55:44am

re: #182 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I find it funny that people who reject Evolution just love them some Social Darwinism…

Isn’t that just the point though? Pick and choose Science.

Global warming? Pan! big Science is just liberals hating on Capitalism. I read about it on the Internet, while wearing corrective lenses, the computer powered by electricity.

Only God could create us as a perfect image of himself. But do the mention the doctors who did the triple bypass, the antibiotics after the infection and the medication that will stop me needing another one.

Hypocrites the lot of them

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:56:35am

re: #186 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because PB was a politician. Trump’s marketing ploy was to sell himself as the anti-politician. As a result, he could violate every rule for and convention of campaigning and not only get away with it, but even gain more supporters.

Yep. The Pat Buchanan “America-first” folks were long out there waiting for the right grifter to match them up with others with “white anxiety.”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:57:10am

re: #118 BlueSpotinAL

Let us look how the temperature has changed since 2008 (One comment noted the cooling from 2007 to 2008):

How you libtards measure tempture? Sum wether stations bad. No such thing as avrage globul tempture.

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451_Montag  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:58:21am

re: #189 Colère Tueur de Lapin

How you libtards measure tempture? Sum wether stations bad. No such thing as avrage globul tempture.

It’s called going down the up escalator

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2017 • 6:58:24am

re: #177 lawhawk

I don’t think the WH lost track. I think they never knew. Someone asked if we had any fleet in the western Pacific and Trump ran with it. If he could, he’d order our entire Navy to station itself off North Korea as a show of force…then send them all to the straight of Hormuz to do it again…

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451_Montag  Apr 22, 2017 • 7:00:09am

re: #191 darthstar

I don’t think the WH lost track. I think they never knew. Someone asked if we had any fleet in the western Pacific and Trump ran with it. If he could, he’d order our entire Navy to station itself off North Korea as a show of force…then send them all to the straight of Hormuz to do it again…

Are we really, really sure he didn’t just think New Zealand was North Korea? Easy mistake to make.

If you’re a fucking idiot.

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Dizzy  Apr 22, 2017 • 7:02:09am

re: #181 Anymouse

Uggh, had I read this (rather long) comment here, I would never have been back.

Aside from all the people in the thread claiming Hitler’s ideology was inspired by Darwin (ignoring Nazi Germany burned Darwin’s books and forbade their teaching), Nazi apologetics (and distortion of history) in this comment is stomach-turning (which is why I put the comment behind the privacy tag).

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This part of the comment stood out for me

I have been to Auschwitz and Bergen-Belson, and the over-riding impression these places left on me was the great organizational skill the Germans used in these places.

So this ‘compassionate’ yutz travels to Auschwitz and his biggest take-away from the experience is that the Nazis had great org skills?
How depraved is that?

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2017 • 7:03:20am

First 100 days - Accomplishment Unlocked - the loss of the Deplorables.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 7:05:30am

re: #193 Dizzy

This part of the comment stood out for me

So this ‘compassionate’ yutz travels to Auschwitz and his biggest take-away from the experience is that the Nazis had great org skills?
How depraved is that?

It was not the fault of the scientists or the ideologues, it was the fault of science

science dressed up like a whore and made them rape it

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2017 • 7:05:50am
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FormerDirtDart  Apr 22, 2017 • 7:05:54am

re: #175 lawhawk

Unfu…

Nope. Totally fucking believable.

Why? John Miller/John Bannon/John Banon.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 7:10:09am

re: #197 FormerDirtDart

100 days into the admin and they are ready to shut the government down…they are right, nobody would have bought this pitch.

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2017 • 7:10:58am

If any of you were wondering about the ultimate outcome of Noni, the dog whose owner died and the neighbor was looking for a home, Balloon Juice has cataloged the timeline: balloon-juice.com. A nearby couple picked her up.

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2017 • 7:13:52am
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darthstar  Apr 22, 2017 • 7:20:25am
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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 7:22:03am

re: #193 Dizzy

This part of the comment stood out for me

So this ‘compassionate’ yutz travels to Auschwitz and his biggest take-away from the experience is that the Nazis had great org skills?
How depraved is that?

The part that stood out for me was how Germany was so welcoming of Jews prior to WW2. Ah, no, that would be Poland.

And when I was in Poland, the last thing I wanted to do was visit Stutthof Concentration Camp. I had better things to do in Gdansk than see the brilliant German “organisation” that claimed a good portion of my family’s lives.

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2017 • 7:27:56am
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Jay C  Apr 22, 2017 • 7:29:46am

re: #202 Anymouse

The part that stood out for me was how Germany was so welcoming of Jews prior to WW2. Ah, no, that would be Poland.

And when I was in Poland, the last thing I wanted to do was visit Stutthof Concentration Camp. I had better things to do in Gdansk than see the brilliant German “organisation” that claimed a good portion of my family’s lives.

For me, the turn-off point was earlier on, where he said “the Nazis weren’t thugs”…and then supposedly “proved” it. Yeccch.

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jeffreyw  Apr 22, 2017 • 7:33:51am

re: #185 darthstar

Can’t eat that.

Imgur
Too soon?

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2017 • 7:38:33am

re: #205 jeffreyw

That’s better.

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 7:38:55am

Even those in that thread trying to argue in favour of evolution by natural selection get it wrong, such as the definition of “fittest.”

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Tarkloon
Apr 20, 2008 • 9:36:14pm

re: #1562 Killgore Trout

Evolution is not random.

/hate to quibble with someone whose side I’m on, but yeah, sometimes it is random.

The “generally non-random” vs “random” field is being studied pretty thoroughly right now. e.g. taking an alpha male situation into account, in this case survival of the fittest usually counts; but suppose the fittest bull charges and sticks his leg in a gopher hole, tumbles, breaks his neck. The weaker bull has a lot of offspring. So there is quite a bit of randomness to natural selection, the “fittest” is not always the predominant.

Aside from “fittest” referring to being “fittest for the environment, not alpha male,” that actually is non-random natural selection in the example.

Bulls running around sticking their legs in gopher holes and breaking their necks is a natural selection pressure for bulls that don’t do that. Bulls that do not break their own necks are more fit than those who do.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 7:42:17am

re: #208 Anymouse

Even those in that thread trying to argue in favour of evolution by natural selection get it wrong, such as the definition of “fittest.”

Aside from “fittest” referring to being “fittest for the environment, not alpha male,” that actually is non-random natural selection in the example.

Bulls running around sticking their legs in gopher holes and breaking their necks is a natural selection pressure for bulls that don’t do that. Bulls that do not break their own necks are more fit than those who do.

A lot of evolution and behaviorism is rather counter-intuitive. For example, there are studies that describe how smart beta males take advantage of alphas being distracted by fighting and posturing to mate with females behind their backs…

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 7:44:22am

re: #209 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A lot of evolution and behaviorism is rather counter-intuitive. For example, there are studies that describe how smart beta males take advantage of alphas being distracted by fighting and posturing to mate with females behind their backs…

And pesky altruism where whole groups of individuals work together (and some might die) to ensure the survival of the group.

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 7:56:24am

More Nazi apolpgetics from that thread. It is fascinating to read how many self-described conservatives seem to be on board with equating evolution with the Nazis.

To be entirely fair to our esteemed host Mr. Johnson, he was doing none of that. He merely presented a critical review of Ben Stein’s Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed and let the commentariat at the time here (2008) go at it. Mr. Johnson was of the opinion in the article that Mr. Stein was being dishonest in his presentation of Intelligent Design.

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xleatherneck
Apr 20, 2008 • 9:36:55pm

#1290 Killgore Trout
My last post to you was interrupted. Sorry:

In an interview recently Stein said that if Darwin was right then the holocaust was justified. It was quite a shocking statement…
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I’m not sure why it’s shocking to you. We place no moral significance on predation or natural selection in the animal kingdom, and if it is true that we humans are the result of natural, physical processes, then it follows that our behavior, and I do mean all of it, is also natural and free of moral significance.

If evolution is true, then how can the Holocaust be anything other than natural selection. To argue otherwise would create an unresolvable dilemna [sic]

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 22, 2017 • 7:57:11am

What most people don’t get - especially people who try to use evolution as an excuse to be a dick - is that evolution works at the level of the population.

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2017 • 7:59:36am
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:01:48am

re: #193 Dizzy

This part of the comment stood out for me

So this ‘compassionate’ yutz travels to Auschwitz and his biggest take-away from the experience is that the Nazis had great org skills?
How depraved is that?

Years ago I was dating a woman who attended a cult-ish church, and when her then-15-year-old son was learning about the Holocaust in public school, what shocked him was the numbers, and how they knew the scale of what happened. I said something about the Germans keeping records…

Him: “They kept RECORDS?”

Uh, yes… Yes they did…

Jews and religion in general were a touchy subject with this family. I may have missed an opportunity to explain things like the process of dehumanization, or the idea that the Nazi notion of the “Jewish Question” was best understood in English if you translated it as “The Termite Question” (i.e. some guys deciding how to remove a non-human “infestation”), but then I’d have had to give both my girlfriend and her kid a crash-course in Anti-Semitism and European Christian culture’s teaching an essentially structural hatred of Jews… And it was a half-step from there to say, “By the way, what you believe and teach about Judaism in your church is pretty much classically Anti-Semitic, the difference is just a matter of passivity on your part.”

But I had already barked up that tree and it led nowhere, since I was dealing with 3rd- and 4th-generation “Church of Christ” adherence and I’m one guy up against decades of conditioning peculiar to the plains of NE Arkansas/Missouri border…

Which is pretty much why we split up eventually…

But, point is, there are a whole lot of people out there who don’t understand the process of dehumanization and all they see is the organizational skill, but it’s taboo in our culture to ask WHY the Germans organized murder so well. The answer is that if you don’t see people as people, it’s pretty easy to round them up like a commodity and do what you want to them.

Of course, if we attack the concept of dehumanization, suddenly the whole power structure of the modern Right falls apart, because if you see your designated enemies* as human, then how are you going to have any fun squishing them?

*The Natives, the Chinese, the Irish, the Blacks, the Mexicans, the Immigrants, the “Japs” living here, the Jews, the Muslims, et cetera… Pick an era, any era…

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:05:27am

re: #212 Blind Frog Belly White

What most people don’t get - especially people who try to use evolution as an excuse to be a dick - is that evolution works at the level of the population.

I would note one thing: it would appear that ten years ago, Movement Conservatism (at least as reflected by that thread) was deeply divided on the position of evolution by natural selection versus (or including) religious views.

It would appear to me the anti-evolution folk have now nearly-completely driven the supporters of the theory out of the Republican camp. (Atheists as well, like David Silverman, but atheism is not evolution despite the continued attempts of creationists to claim that is so.)

That thread is fascinating to me (as I am still continuing through the comments) on the minds of the average voter on the right (as reflected at Little Green Footballs at the time). It would appear that there was a lot of diversity here on the opinion of religion/evolution at the time.

The arguments the creationism/ID proponents bring up in that thread are the same arguments I’ve heard all my life, so those aren’t new. But that kind of conversation on the political right as reflected in that comment thread seems unimaginable to me now. (Now it would be “you believe in the religions of evolution, global warming by human intervention, and atheism? You heretic!! The brainwashed liebruls are through that door on the left. Don’t let it hit you.)

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:05:56am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We are also dealing with a mentality that measures wealth and prosperity in terms of how much we consume and how many resources we use, not how well or effectively we use them.

These are the people that turn on (or claim they do) all their lights on Earth Day, they do (or claim they do) the same when there is one of those “turn off everything electric in your house for an hour” things.

That’ll larn you durty libtard hippies.

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:06:02am

Okay…turning that into my next facebook project - one verse a day.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:07:44am

The other thing is the people who claim “f you believe in evolution, you can’t be opposed to (fill in selfish crime here)”, because they insist it’s a belief system, not just an explanation for the diversity and relatedness of flora and fauna.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:08:06am

re: #216 Anymouse

I would note one thing: it would appear that ten years ago, Movement Conservatism (at least as reflected by that thread) was deeply divided on the position of evolution by natural selection versus (or including) religious views.

It is possible to believe in Creation and simply see Evolution as God’s chosen mechanism (this is the view of the Catholic Church), but it is impossible to be a Biblical literalist and accept Evolution. And the literalists are the dominant force in Fundamentalist Christianity.

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mmmirele  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:12:50am

re: #148 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I lived in Sedona, Arizona, in the early 80’s. There were esoteric crystal heads floating around there already, but they were mostly hiding in the woodwork. They have since taken over the place.

There is supposed to be a powerful psychic vortex located there, which cannot possibly be connected to the fact that it has the most astounding scenery, the most perfect climate and a high concentration of millionaires and tourists.

The first time I went to Sedona was on January 1, 1999. With my boyfriend. For some reason, the place was filled with tour buses and French tourists and it was an unpleasant experience. After about 30 minutes of this, I turned to my boyfriend and said, “Do you want to drive over to Meteor Crater?” Since he’s an astronomy buff, he did want to do that, so we drove the 70 or so miles and looked at a big hole in the ground.

I have gone back to Sedona—most recently at the end of February—but I’ve tried to stay out of Uptown because of the tourists. The rest of it is nice. As for the vortexes, I have a friend who will swear that her life changed because her sister took her out and had her sit on Bell Rock. She went from selling high end real estate in West Palm to designing and selling amusement park rides. Go figure.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:13:59am

re: #216 Anymouse

There was a comment early in the thread that I felt an enormous drive to respond to, thought that would have been silly. The commenter said, “Science is about discussion”.

SCIENCE ISN’T ABOUT DISCUSSION! SCIENCE ISN’T A DEBATE! SCIENCE ISN’T EVEN ABOUT CONSENSUS!

SCIENCE IS ABOUT DATA, AND WHETHER THE DATA SUPPORT YOUR HYPOTHESIS!!!

It’s not about who makes the best sounding argument, or who’s the more famous Scientist, or even how many Scientists agree. An everyday lab dog’s hypothesis can be right while every Nobel Prize winner is wrong.

There. Had to get that off my chest.

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:14:47am

One takeaway from your comment (sections cut for brevity):

re: #215 Pawn of the Oppressor

Jews and religion in general were a touchy subject with this family. I may have missed an opportunity to explain things like the process of dehumanization, or the idea that the Nazi notion of the “Jewish Question” was best understood in English if you translated it as “The Termite Question” (i.e. some guys deciding how to remove a non-human “infestation”), but then I’d have had to give both my girlfriend and her kid a crash-course in Anti-Semitism and European Christian culture’s teaching an essentially structural hatred of Jews… And it was a half-step from there to say, “By the way, what you believe and teach about Judaism in your church is pretty much classically Anti-Semitic, the difference is just a matter of passivity on your part.”

And we’ve had a political movement that since Ronald Reagan has been painting Latinos as “vermin” and African-Americans as “lazy takers” (not much different than the Nazi “useless eaters”).

For my whole adult life Movement Conservative has been trying to paint those who are not of the right religious faith, ethnic heritage, or political bent as “un-American.” (Of note, a person I am intimately familiar with used to hold the idea promoted by conservatives that Latinos are “an invasion force” though I have helped her move off that position.)

I don’t know how to counter such a massive propaganda effort. In the Thirties, there were plenty of people in Germany who were bigots, but they were organised by a political party and a massive propaganda machine. I see this again today and I don’t know how to counter it other than as I do now: by living my life in a conservative town with compassion and empathy for all.

In the Nazi era, those sorts of people got rounded up just like the Jews, the disabled, &c. I really want to think that Americans won’t allow that now. I am not convinced.

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:16:13am
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Ace-o-aces  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:16:42am

Hide the children. No seriously, hide them, they’re in terrible danger!

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:17:47am
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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:17:49am

re: #205 jeffreyw

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Too soon?

Pastrami, or corned beef?

I’ll take one of each, thanks.

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:18:07am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:18:37am

re: #221 mmmirele

The first time I went to Sedona was on January 1, 1999. With my boyfriend. For some reason, the place was filled with tour buses and French tourists and it was an unpleasant experience. After about 30 minutes of this, I turned to my boyfriend and said, “Do you want to drive over to Meteor Crater?” Since he’s an astronomy buff, he did want to do that, so we drove the 70 or so miles and looked at a big hole in the ground…

I lived right on Oak Creek, house-sitting on six acres. Just below Red Rock Crossing. I recently saw an rei ad for hiking gear and upon closer examination noticed that was my old swimming hole.

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:19:07am

re: #219 Blind Frog Belly White

The other thing is the people who claim “If you believe in evolution, you can’t be opposed to (fill in selfish crime here)”, because they insist it’s a belief system, not just an explanation for the diversity and relatedness of flora and fauna.

That claim is also made against atheists and agnostics. It’s like thousands of years of legal codes and ethics never came into being.

I don’t want to rape or kill anyone, or thieve or batter someone. It has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with me not being a psychopath.

And conflation of evolution by natural selection (or climate science) as “belief systems” or “religions” are dishonest arguments.

But they aren’t trying to convince me. They are trying to convince others who might not be educated on what evolution or climate science are. Such people are using propaganda to advance their positions by strawmanning or otherwise misrepresenting what science (and non-belief) really are.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:22:31am

re: #230 Anymouse

That claim is also made against atheists and agnostics. It’s like thousands of years of legal codes and ethics never came into being.

I don’t want to rape or kill anyone, or thieve or batter someone. It has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with me not being a psychopath.

And conflation of evolution by natural selection (or climate science) as “belief systems” or “religions” are dishonest arguments.

But they aren’t trying to convince me. They are trying to convince others who might not be educated on what evolution or climate science are. Such people are using propaganda to advance their positions by strawmanning or otherwise misrepresenting what science (and non-belief) really are.

Yeah. I always get a charge out of people who tell me that I only deny their god so I can continue to live my life of wickedness. You know, the one in which I’ve been a faithful husband for 28 years, where I don’t lie, steal, rape, or kill, where I try to make the world a better place, or at least no worse.

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:24:26am
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jaunte  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:33:08am
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Timothy Watson  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:34:38am

re: #233 jaunte

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Grammar nazi!

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mmmirele  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:36:14am

re: #233 jaunte

I can’t get over people wearing coats and gloves on April 22. It’s supposed to be 95 today here in the Phoenix area.

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jaunte  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:37:09am

re: #235 mmmirele

We’re getting our last cold front of the year here; it’s supposed to go all the way down to 51 Sunday morning.

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:40:12am

The old “Catholics aren’t Christians” ploy:

1699 Dotcoman
Apr 20, 2008 • 10:26:21pm

re: #1641 Lizardoid Minion #32603

And there’s lots of quotes - pre 1941 - that indicate that Hitler was a Catholic.

The real point is that Hitler was an evil lunatic. Which means that Stein’s argument is a logical fallacy. Well, Stein’s argument is a logical fallacy anyway, but it’s a logical fallacy with extra cheese once he introduces Hitler.
——- ——-
So what? The charge was that he was a Christian. The counter charge was that he was a pagan oculist. And you come charging in and accuse him of being Catholic, which of course only serves to bolster the pagan, non-Christian argument . LOL

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Skip Intro  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:41:27am

Trump Jr. feels the need to go on a killing spree again.

Trump Jr.’s prairie dog hunt in Montana prompts backlash

Helena, Mont. • Donald Trump Jr. will be targeting more than just Montana’s Republican voters on Friday and Saturday when he helps Greg Gianforte campaign for an open U.S. House seat.

A prairie dog hunt is also on the agenda for the four-city tour for President Donald Trump’s son and Gianforte, a technology entrepreneur up against Democrat Rob Quist in the May 25 election for the seat vacated by Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke.

“As good Montanans, we want to show good hospitality to people,” Gianforte said. “What can be more fun than to spend an afternoon shooting the little rodents?”

Shooting big rodents?

sltrib.com

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:43:10am

re: #236 jaunte

We’re getting our last cold front of the year here; it’s supposed to go all the way down to 51 Sunday morning.

It’s 40F here in NW PA. Little chilly but not bad.

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jaunte  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:44:01am

re: #238 Skip Intro

Rodent-on-rodent entertainment.

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jeffreyw  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:45:03am

re: #227 wheat-dogg

Pastrami, or corned beef?

I’ll take one of each, thanks.

That one is corned beef:

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Here’s the pastrami you ordered:

Imgur

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jaunte  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:45:26am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:45:54am

YouTube

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jaunte  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:46:33am

Protist Sine

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stpaulbear  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:47:02am

re: #238 Skip Intro

Trump Jr.s feels the need to go on a killing spree again.

Trump Jr.’s prairie dog hunt in Montana prompts backlash

Shooting big rodents?

sltrib.com

From the story:

Now is the time year when prairie dogs are still nursing their new offspring, meaning hunters who shoot lactating females are condemning the pups to starvation, Sterling Krank said.

Gianforte, whose campaign has focused on gun rights, dismissed the organization’s concerns.

“Clearly they’ve never shot a prairie dog,” he said. “They don’t know how much fun it is.”

That pretty much sums it up. What a fucking asshole.

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:48:28am

re: #231 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah. I always get a charge out of people who tell me that I only deny their god so I can continue to live my life of wickedness. You know, the one in which I’ve been a faithful husband for 28 years, where I don’t lie, steal, rape, or kill, where I try to make the world a better place, or at least no worse.

Wow, you’re marriage has gone on longer than mine. (My first marriage ended after almost nine years, but I didn’t end it. My current marriage is in its eleventh year.)

I’ve lied before, it would be a lie to say otherwise.
As for the rest, it’s not really hard not to steal, rape, or kill. You don’t do it.

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:49:16am

re: #239 Eventual Carrion

It’s 40F here in NW PA. Little chilly but not bad.

Right now here it’s 48F. (Glad my heater’s fixed - it’s been cold for several days.)

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:50:19am

re: #238 Skip Intro

Trump Jr. feels the need to go on a killing spree again.

Trump Jr.’s prairie dog hunt in Montana prompts backlash

Shooting big rodents?

sltrib.com

I lived in Montana in my early 20s when I worked for a bee keeper. We’d go out on weekends with our .22s and shoot prairie dogs from the bee trucks. There were thousands of them popping out of the ground. Ranchers let us do it because their cows would injure themselves stepping in the holes. Thought of it as good fun at the time. The roads were literally littered with them most of the summer because they’re really bad at crossing the street. You could hit two or three on a given day in some places with your tires.

Cute little fuckers though. I could never shoot one now. I hope Trump Jr. poses holding one up. Macho man that he is.

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:50:59am
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Skip Intro  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:51:49am

re: #245 stpaulbear

From the story:

That pretty much sums it up. What a fucking asshole.

Of course he’s an asshole. He’s a Trump loving Republican.

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:52:40am

re: #243 Blind Frog Belly White

Julian Assange conveying a veiled threat of abandonment of Trump’s base?

First, I don’t think Trump’s base is likely to abandon him over a threat by the Justice Department to go after Wikileaks. I imagine most of his base has never heard of Wikileaks.

Second, I don’t really think Mr. Assange is in much position to threaten anything.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:52:46am

re: #249 darthstar

I literally had the link address to that copied, ready to post. Great minds, and all that.

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:54:20am

re: #252 Blind Frog Belly White

I literally had the link address to that copied, ready to post. Great minds, and all that.

I don’t read German, so I hope they’re not mocking our President…
//

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Stanley Sea  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:58:34am
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retired cynic  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:58:49am

re: #253 darthstar

I bet he hates being portrayed as the ‘non-white’ on that cover!

(Weather: it is in the 40s here, with a STRONG wind straight out of the north, overcast, and feels like snow. To be in the 30s tonight. Sunny and 70 tomorrow. Ah, spring!)

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jaunte  Apr 22, 2017 • 8:58:51am

Grift where the suckers are.

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:01:50am

re: #256 jaunte

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Grift where the suckers are.

I’m fine with them grifting elsewhere - that and I don’t think the Trump Organisation is interested in investing in farming or ranching anyway.

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retired cynic  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:02:15am

re: #256 jaunte

I can smell them both from here. Why are we doing drippy greased hair again?

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:02:21am

re: #241 jeffreyw

That one is corned beef:

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If only we could send food through the Internet …

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:04:45am

re: #254 Stanley Sea

I think he’s not counting golf days as working days.

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:06:01am

Wow, whoever Bob in Breckenridge is, he really got evolution and creationism backward. I don’t think I have ever seen that argument before.

1721 zombie
Apr 20, 2008 • 10:36:33pm

re: #379 Bob in Breckenridge

re: #15 zombie

You can’t scientifically prove the supernatural — by definition.

You will NEVER be able to prove creationism in a lab.

Creationism is essentially the act of throwing in the towel and ceasing to search for answers.

Actually zombie you have it completely 100% backwards. Evolution is that way, NOT creationism, it’s no different than the “consensus” of a few hundred scientists being peddled as “scientific proof” by the global warming cultists.

Wow.

it’s like I’m in a Twilight Zone episode or something. Such deep, deep non-awareness of the basic fundamental points under discussion. I suddenly feel very uncomfortable on LGF.

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:09:39am

re: #254 Stanley Sea

Josh Marshall✔@joshtpm

Good Lord >>> Trump Claims Press Is Miscounting. He’s Really at 60 Days, not 100

“In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy.” - George Orwell, 1984

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:10:01am

re: #261 Anymouse

it’s like I’m in a Twilight Zone episode or something. Such deep, deep non-awareness of the basic fundamental points under discussion. I suddenly feel very uncomfortable on LGF.

I recall in the fifth or sixth grade being taught the Scientific Method in science class: how one starts with a Hypothesis and then proceeds to test it, and if that Hypothesis is consistently supported by independently verifiable results, then it becomes a Theory.

And when you encounter the “Evolution is just a Theory” argument, you realize how truly clueless these people are.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:11:22am

re: #254 Stanley Sea

Good Lord >>> Trump Claims Press Is Miscounting. He’s Really at 60 Days, not 100

So we cannot even agree on what day it is…I see little hope for humanity.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:11:50am

re: #195 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was not the fault of the scientists or the ideologues, it was the fault of science

science dressed up like a whore and made them rape it

He also makes it seem like ‘purity of bloodline’ was something that just popped up in the 1930s….

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jaunte  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:12:11am

re: #254 Stanley Sea

Trump Claims Press Is Miscounting. He’s Really at 60 Days, not 100

As if 40 more days would help his performance.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:13:01am

re: #248 darthstar

I lived in Montana in my early 20s when I worked for a bee keeper. We’d go out on weekends with our .22s and shoot prairie dogs from the bee trucks. There were thousands of them popping out of the ground. Ranchers let us do it because their cows would injure themselves stepping in the holes. Thought of it as good fun at the time. The roads were literally littered with them most of the summer because they’re really bad at crossing the street. You could hit two or three on a given day in some places with your tires.

Cute little fuckers though. I could never shoot one now. I hope Trump Jr. poses holding one up. Macho man that he is.

Growing up, “prairie dogging” was when you almost couldn’t hold it between your cheeks anymore as you waddled to the toilet.

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stpaulbear  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:14:34am

re: #254 Stanley Sea

Only business days count.

And Friday is a half day.

And protests that happen on weekends don’t exist.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:17:15am

re: #205 jeffreyw

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Too soon?

Nothing wrong with having a Reuben for breakfast!😉

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Swampwitch  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:18:05am

re: #256 jaunte

And right off the bat in the comments the jokes about trailer parks and the Dollar Store start. So lazy. Nice people also live in trailer parks, and dollar stores are sometimes the only choice between eating and not eating, shoes or no shoes, school supplies or no school supplies, etc. I just hate it when our side gets all elitist, good intentions or no.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:20:47am

re: #269 Joe Bacon

Nothing wrong with having a Reuben for breakfast!😉

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jaunte  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:21:13am

re: #270 Swampwitch

The Trumpsons’ business strategy sounds good until you look past the electoral college map:

businessinsider.com

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Skip Intro  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:22:44am

re: #254 Stanley Sea

And you’ve got to subtract those 19 days he was playing golf. Not fair that they should count.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:29:35am

re: #206 Nyet

I hope that Alex Jones is totally destroyed by his custody case!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:31:48am

re: #274 Joe Bacon

I hope that Alex Jones is totally destroyed by his custody case!

The only thing that brought down Bill O was the fact that advertisers started bailing in and taking major revenue with him. His actions were known for years and were not cause of any disciplinary actions or reprimands. Ditto with Alix J. As long as he brings in revenue, nobody is going to fire him.

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:32:10am

re: #270 Swampwitch

And right off the bat in the comments the jokes about trailer parks and the Dollar Store start. So lazy. Nice people also live in trailer parks, and dollar stores are sometimes the only choice between eating and not eating, shoes or no shoes, school supplies or no school supplies, etc. I just hate it when our side gets all elitist, good intentions or no.

There was a long time I would have been happy to be able to afford even living in a rented trailer. Or a car.

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stpaulbear  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:32:18am

I got my ‘history of U.S. presidents’ t-shirt in the mail yesterday. I washed it and it’s hanging dry this morning. I want to wear it when I go out for a scooter ride this afternoon.

Also got Robyn Hitchcock’s new album. Love it. He’s such a wonderful eccentric.

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makeitstop  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:34:39am

re: #275 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The only thing that brought down Bill O was the fact that advertisers started bailing in and taking major revenue with him. His actions were known for years and were not cause of any disciplinary actions or reprimands. Ditto with Alix J. As long as he brings in revenue, nobody is going to fire him.

He’s the boss at InfoWars, isn’t he?

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wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:41:55am

re: #277 stpaulbear

Also got Robyn Hitchcock’s new album. Love it. He’s such a wonderful eccentric.

I saw Robyn Hitchcock at Tower Records in San Francisco in the 70s. Hanging out, not playing anything. He seemed old then, he must be really old now (OK, I looked him up. He’s 5 years older than I am. Geezer! Or is ‘wonderful eccentric’ the same thing?)

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:43:33am

re: #254 Stanley Sea

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trump doesn’t work weekends.

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mmmirele  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:44:41am

re: #274 Joe Bacon

I hope that Alex Jones is totally destroyed by his custody case!

Both parents sound fairly awful. What irritates me about this is how neither Alex nor Kelly seem to care about how this public airing of grievances is going to affect their children. Seriously, a jury trial in a custody case? Are these two nuts?

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:47:31am

re: #281 mmmirele

Both parents sound fairly awful. What irritates me about this is how neither Alex nor Kelly seem to care about how this public airing of grievances is going to affect their children. Seriously, a jury trial in a custody case? Are these two nuts?

Is that rhetorical?

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wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:48:06am

Oooh, I mention Tower Records, and up pops a hashtag.

It’s Canadian, but I still feel haunted, or trapped in an algorhythm, or something.

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:51:14am

re: #283 wrenchwench

Oooh, I mention Tower Records, and up pops a hashtag.

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It’s Canadian, but I still feel haunted, or trapped in an algorhythm, or something.

Al Gore isn’t making you dance.

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A Cranky One  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:53:56am

re: #284 Belafon

Al Gore isn’t making you dance.

And if you’ve ever seen him dance, you’ll know Al Gore has no rhythm.

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stpaulbear  Apr 22, 2017 • 9:55:27am

re: #279 wrenchwench

I saw Robyn Hitchcock at Tower Records in San Francisco in the 70s. Hanging out, not playing anything. He seemed old then, he must be really old now (OK, I looked him up. He’s 5 years older than I am. Geezer! Or is ‘wonderful eccentric’ the same thing?)

Hitchcock was wonderfully eccentric even when he was young. From what I’ve read, his dad was the same so he came by it honestly.

I just found this interview on the local public radio station. He’s playing a little bar in St. Paul’s midway neighborhood on June 15. I haven’t been out for a late night music event for years but I should look into this one.

thecurrent.org

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plansbandc  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:01:34am

re: #18 thedopefishlives

I like green chile and extra cheese.

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stpaulbear  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:02:36am

re: #283 wrenchwench

Oooh, I mention Tower Records, and up pops a hashtag.

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It’s Canadian, but I still feel haunted, or trapped in an algorhythm, or something.

Oh. I’d forgotten that it’s record store day. It brings out a lot of people here. I’ve been on kind of a record buying tear over the last couple weeks so I think I’ll sit out the crowds. Maybe later this afternoon when the rush to buy limited releases is over.

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wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:04:17am

re: #287 plansbandc

I like green chile and extra cheese.

Pizza?

Burritos?

Birthday cake?

Works all the way around for me.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:04:22am

re: #263 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I recall in the fifth or sixth grade being taught the Scientific Method in science class: how one starts with a Hypothesis and then proceeds to test it, and if that Hypothesis is consistently supported by independently verifiable results, then it becomes a Theory.

And when you encounter the “Evolution is just a Theory” argument, you realize how truly clueless these people are.

I think I’ve commented on a similar statement here before. You are not correct. A hypothesis is only for one particular experiment or observation. If it is proved correct, it adds to a collection of other proved hypotheses which together can be used to develop (or support) a theory. Your summary leaves out a whole shitload of steps needed to develop or support a theory.

As a reminder, I taught physics for over 20 years, so I really, really want you to get this right. If you’re going to debate science with creationists, you’ve got to be able to explain the scientific method accurately. Because, if you get something wrong, they’ll assume you’re just blowing hot air.

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:08:49am

Still ploughing through that old creationism/evolution thread … up to comment #1950, where the arguments devolve into racism.

Really fine bunch of people there… .

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Joe Bacon  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:10:17am

And here I am reading about how it looks like we’re going to have another shutdown on Friday.

This is bringing back memories of Tooty Frooty Newty’s 5 week shutdown in 1995-96…

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Interesting Times  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:10:35am

Any Santa Clara lizards here? Because holy fuck, your DA is a sniveling little abuse-enabling jerk:

Take Domestic Violence Seriously, Protect Neha, NOT her VIOLENT ABUSER

Abhishek Gattani has been violently abusing his wife for over 10 years - sometimes in front of their young daughter. There is chilling audio recording proof of Gattani violently and repeatedly slapping his wife and threatening to stab her “45 times.”

District Attorney Jeff Rosen has set guidelines to his assistants to NOT pursue violent felony charges in cases like this. For justice to be served each case must be weighed individually. In this case, Rosen’s office pursued a plea deal where Gattani would serve less than 30 days in jail, a non violent felony charge and a charge of “offensive touching”.

By fantastic coincidence:

this is the exact same courtroom in which Judge Persky sentenced Brock Turner, a Stanford student convicted of sexually assaulting a woman, to serve six months in jail (of which Brock only served three). DA Jeff Rosen endorsed Judge Persky to prevent his recall.

For more background on how absolutely shitty and worthless DA Rosen is to handle the Gattani case as he has, read this (long but important):

Facebook Post

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Jay C  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:15:26am

re: #290 wheat-dogg

Well, w-d, while I think you’re quite correct, judging by some of the responses in the 2008 thread, I think you need to modify your final paragraph a bit:

If you’re going to debate science with creationists, you’ve got to be able to explain the scientific method accurately. Because, if you are going to be assumed to be get something wrong from the get-go, and they’ll assumetake it for granted you’re just blowing hot air.

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makeitstop  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:15:37am

re: #292 Joe Bacon

And here I am reading about how it looks like we’re going to have another shutdown on Friday.

This is bringing back memories of Tooty Frooty Newty’s 5 week shutdown in 1995-96…

Josh Marshall has a pretty good take on it - To Scare Dems, Trump Threatens to Light Himself on Fire

The President’s Wall is not popular. For much of the country it is a divisive, bad idea. Even those who do not oppose it per se, do not view it as a high priority. One illustrative data point: a late March AP/NORC poll found that 58 percent opposed new funding for a wall while only 28 percent support it. It’s very unpopular. Notably this is about spending. Remember, “who’s gonna pay for the wall?” Mexico!

So what happened to Mexico paying? Trump continues to pretend that he is somehow compelling Mexico to pay for the wall on some sort of inter-state layaway plan. But clearly this is nonsense. That central premise of the campaign, impose a national humiliation on Mexico by forcing them to pay for a wall on the border is out the door, forgotten. Americans are going to pay for it and it is not popular.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the equation, Obamacare is more popular than it has ever been. Indeed, the failed repeal attempt has made it more popular. The repeal debacle also solidified key elements of how the public sees the law. Popularity of the law called Obamacare has become unfastened from the fate of those who receive care under it.

Let’s discuss what this means.

Obamacare provides coverage for more than 20 million people. Any replacement or change to the law will be and was this spring evaluated in terms of the numbers of people who lost or gained coverage. House Republican arguments about gaining the freedom to lose or abandon your coverage went nowhere. Moderate Republicans and many non-moderates (Tom Cotton, for example) were stung by the public backlash against changes that would lose people coverage. What the White House is threatening is a cut off of subsidies which would destabilize and possibly collapse Obamacare exchanges leading to loss of coverage or higher premiums.

In other words, President Trump is now threatening the Democrats with doing the thing that terrified many Republicans out of repealing Obamacare only a month ago.

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:17:21am

re: #290 wheat-dogg

As a reminder, I taught physics for over 20 years, so I really, really want you to get this right. If you’re going to debate science with creationists, you’ve got to be able to explain the scientific method accurately. Because, if you get something wrong, they’ll assume you’re just blowing hot air.

On an aside, when the Navy was preparing to oust me for epilepsy, I was required to take an examination by the VA to determine the “best fit” for my college benefits.

The test gave three fields of study the VA thought at which one would most likely to succeed.

My results were physics, chemistry, and mathematics.

The VA pointed out that those fields all generally require an eight year degree - they weren’t paying for that. Because the law prohibits someone with epilepsy to work in my trained field (aviation electronics), they declared me “unemployable” (and seized my retraining benefits).

I have a friend who fought that, and after bringing a lawsuit was able to get the VA to pay for an eight-year physics degree (including an internship at CERN), but I was busy being homeless - lawyers need to eat too, and I couldn’t pay one.

Hence, since 1996 I have been on VA disability rather than employed. At this point, trying to go to college for anything now (other than edification) would be pointless - even a four-year degree would have me at sixty years old. I suspect not too many people want to employ a sixty-year old just starting a new field.

Occasionally I am wistful about the education I could have attained, but there really isn’t much I can do about it now.

/bummer

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:20:31am

re: #292 Joe Bacon

And here I am reading about how it looks like we’re going to have another shutdown on Friday.

This is bringing back memories of Tooty Frooty Newty’s 5 week shutdown in 1995-96…

When that occurred, the Pentagon sent down to all the commands to counsel military personnel on the fact that even if the government didn’t pay them, they were still obligated to work. (The concern was for mutiny.)

As it turned out, they came up with a way to pay us (I don’t recall if there was already an arrangement made or if they rammed one through at the last minute.)

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:21:52am

re: #296 Anymouse

Eight years? Did they mean, 4 years undergraduate plus all the graduate school leading up to PhD? I know some people who took even longer to get their physics PhD, like 10 years.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:25:55am

re: #293 Interesting Times

Any Santa Clara lizards here? Because holy fuck, your DA is a sniveling little abuse-enabling jerk:

Take Domestic Violence Seriously, Protect Neha, NOT her VIOLENT ABUSER

By fantastic coincidence:

For more background on how absolutely shitty and worthless DA Rosen is to handle the Gattani case as he has, read this (long but important):

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My god. She needs to be safe. He’s coming after her.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:26:10am

re: #295 makeitstop

Make, I got a bad feeling that Trump is going to go ahead and kill those subsidies!

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:26:50am

re: #298 wheat-dogg

Eight years? Did they mean, 4 years undergraduate plus all the graduate school leading up to PhD? I know some people who took even longer to get their physics PhD, like 10 years.

Well, for a PhD I suppose it depends on the person trying to attain it. My friend is now a professor in Texas. (He spent eight or nine years in college.)

I have no idea how much it would have cost the VA to send me to school for eight (or ten) years - by declaring me unemployable they didn’t even have to pay for barber school though.

I think the real issue is the bean counters who manage the college benefits for disabled veterans don’t talk to the other bean counters who manage the disability pay programme. Thus, the college benefits people just looked at it in the frame of “we’re saving our budget money” and not “keeping someone on disability for life costs a hell of a lot more than barber school or physics.”

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:27:05am

Okay…went to the beach. Grabbed an earth day bucket, and picked up trash(our beach is actually really clean because I and many others pick up trash when we see it year round)…and let Banjo have his splash.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:28:44am

re: #294 Jay C

I will not dispute your correction, because I’ve had discussions with creationists/IDists about evolution, etc. They just do not want to understand science, and don’t care if they are objectively wrong, because Jesus. But, to reach those who are willing to listen to reason, it pays to be correct in your explanations.

To put it in more concrete terms, Galileo hypothesized that all objects fall at the same rate towrd the ground. His tests supported the hypothesis. But he didn’t have an explanation WHY objects fall to the ground. Kepler proposed that the planets did not orbit the sun in perfect circles, and when he worked out the math, found they were elliptical orbits. But he couldn’t explain WHY. Neither of them had a theory of gravitation. That job was left to Newton.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:30:20am

re: #296 Anymouse

Fella, i remember all too well how Newt fucked us with the 1995 shutdown that went from Thanksgiving till right after New Years 1996. For five weeks we had to come to work and not get paid. Still remember very angry coworkers who had no Christmas for their children that year. Kids crying becaus Republican Santa didnt come…

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BlueGrl21  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:30:21am

At the March for Science in Houston with my sons…in our NASA shirts. People don’t realize how much research is done here in space, medicine…there are more research hospitals here than anywhere else. Science is core to this city. I am so proud of my fellow geeks for standing up together and saying, “We matter. No more.”

Of course, my oldest child said we should have brought our Labradork. “We could have brought Kira and put her in a lab coat. LAB coat, get it?”

Sigh.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:31:49am

re: #301 Anymouse

It seems to me that spending several tens of thousands of dollars on training someone interested in doing science for the military, especially one with the aptitude for it, would have been money well spent. Top-grade scientists with security clearances are not a dime-a-dozen, after all.

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makeitstop  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:32:11am

re: #300 Joe Bacon

Make, I got a bad feeling that Trump is going to go ahead and kill those subsidies!

He’ll kill his two-house majority right along with them. I don’t think his fellow parasites in Congress will let him do it - hurting the poors is all well and good, but none of them want to lose that sweet gubmint paycheck.

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Jay C  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:37:09am

re: #295 makeitstop

Josh Marshall has a pretty good take on it - To Scare Dems, Trump Threatens to Light Himself on Fire

As much as I like, and agree with most/much of Josh Marshall’s analyses, while I think he’s right about the government shutdown thing, I also think he’s slightly underestimating the relative “popularity” of Trump and his Administration’s policies towards “immigration” in general. While support for the extreme version of “The Wall” (i.e. an “impenetrable” Berlin-style death-zone barricade) - still less the funding for it- is probably fairly low, a widespread negative attitude towards “immigrants”is a major defining factor for the GOP/Trump “base”. Congressional Democrats, IMO, are going to have to tread a fine line to be able to counter the inevitable prejudice-based “soft on crime”/”pro-amnesty”/ultranationalist BS the Republicans are likely to throw at them in even a half-hearted attempt to fund/build the Trump Wall; either now or next election season. It is BS, of course: but since when that that ever stopped the GOP from exploiting it in political campaigns? And unfortunately, we have evidence that prejudice isn’t that much of a political loser…

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Dizzy  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:40:31am

re: #202 Anymouse

And when I was in Poland, the last thing I wanted to do was visit Stutthof Concentration Camp. I had better things to do in Gdansk than see the brilliant German “organisation” that claimed a good portion of my family’s lives.

I sympathize. I’ve been to Ponary in Lithuania, which wasn’t a camp but a mass killing site. I found it terribly difficult. To this day I cannot bring myself to watch Holocaust movies such as Shindler’s List, since the emotions for me are too strong. But the mindset that can find Nazi redemption in their organizational qualities echos the modern rationalization of the Trump horror.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:40:41am

re: #307 makeitstop

He’ll kill his two-house majority right along with it. I don’t think his fellow parasites in Congress will let him do it - hurting the poors is all well and good, but none of them want to lose that sweet gubmint paycheck.

I understand, but Wall Street wants those big tax cuts and they cant be done unless the ACA is destroyed.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:42:13am

I’m staying in today… There’s a science march in Savannah but we’ve got an “unsanctioned cultural event” out here on the islands today (thousands of predominantly scarily dark-skinned folks expected at the beach) and there’s a heavy police presence, a two-weekends-only booze ban, lots of traffic, locals hunkered down or skipping town for the day… Plenty of dog-whistle racism in the local commentary but also a lot of legitimate worry about crowds, trash, and possible violence and collegiate hooliganry. I’ve heard everything from “Tybee is closed, nobody’s coming” to “OMG 80,000 angry sober black people are going to come and protest our racism!”.

I live right on the main drag. A USCG Dauphin just flew right over my townhouse for the third time, there are state and local PD on the road, traffic is definitely heavy, and I don’t know what’s going on down at the beach and the south end, but I’m staying clear. Most everyone I know left town for the weekend, or at least have arranged their schedules so they’re not on the island this afternoon. Local bars have flat-out closed for the day. This “event” is coordinated by some seedy clubs in east Savannah anyway, which means that literally everything between my front door and the science march would be crammed with partying kids headed the other way.

I dunno, I missed MotoGP in Austin this weekend anyway (too much $ to fly, get a hotel, and rent a car) so missing other stuff doesn’t make it any worse. Just gonna stay in and write. :P

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:44:29am

I made a filet mignon last night for dinner - 2 hours at 130 degrees in the sous vide water bath (love that fucking thing now that I have it), and 60 seconds on each side on a very hot grill to sear it. Perfectly cooked, rare meat…every freakin’ time.

Last weekend I pre-cooked a top sirloin steak and took it to a friend’s house for a fondue party. As the meat was already cooked rare (then chilled), one only needed to set the fork in hot oil for about 30-40 seconds to heat it up. Of course we had bread w/cheese fondue. And there was some homemade BBQ sauce the guy had…that got my brain a thinkin’…and the next thing we knew we were eating fondue bbq cheeseburgers…

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makeitstop  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:44:46am

re: #308 Jay C

Congressional Democrats, IMO, are going to have to tread a fine line to be able to counter the inevitable prejudice-based “soft on crime”/”pro-amnesty”/ultranationalist BS the Republicans are likely to throw at them in even a half-hearted attempt to fund/build the Trump Wall; either now or next election season.

I suggest they follow the NYPD’s lead on refuting those charges - which was basically ‘Don’t try to blow smoke up my ass, thanks.’

In a terse statement released earlier Friday, the NYPD chief criticized the Trump administration’s “willful disregard for the facts,” saying that New York “is experiencing a steady decline in overall crime that includes major reductions in murder and shootings.”

Murder has fallen 82 percent in the city since 1993, while the number of shootings has dropped 81 percent and overall crime is down 76 percent, he said.

“In fact, 2016 saw the fewest shootings ever in New York City history since record keeping began. Year to date the City is down an additional 17% from last year’s record low,” O’Neill said in the statement.

De Blasio called for Trump administration officials to renounce the statement.

“I would say to President Trump and Attorney General Sessions, if you believe this statement is accurate, come to New York City, look our police officers in the eye and tell them that you believe that they are soft on crime. See how that feels,” he said.

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Dizzy  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:47:14am

re: #215 Pawn of the Oppressor

But, point is, there are a whole lot of people out there who don’t understand the process of dehumanization and all they see is the organizational skill, but it’s taboo in our culture to ask WHY the Germans organized murder so well. The answer is that if you don’t see people as people, it’s pretty easy to round them up like a commodity and do what you want to them.

Of course, if we attack the concept of dehumanization, suddenly the whole power structure of the modern Right falls apart, because if you see your designated enemies* as human, then how are you going to have any fun squishing them?

An excellent response, thank you. I think you’ve hit on something key here. We don’t do enough to explain the underlying xenophobia that created conditions for the Holocaust.

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:47:42am

Richard Cranium?

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:50:01am

In honor of Earth Day, Craig is on the hunt…a few minutes ago he sank his left front paw to the shoulder…came up empty…yeah, yeah…I’m throwing that other crap away today.

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:50:53am

re: #306 wheat-dogg

It seems to me that spending several tens of thousands of dollars on training someone interested in doing science for the military, especially one with the aptitude for it, would have been money well spent. Top-grade scientists with security clearances are not a dime-a-dozen, after all.

Well, I can’t say whether I would have become a top-grade scientist, or even a scientist at all (I may very well have washed out of school).

I’m not sure of the benefit of a top-grade barber with a security clearance /s but even that would have been cheaper on the government. (I’d still be working, although at a significantly reduced income, and I would be paying taxes.)

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Jay C  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:52:55am

re: #313 makeitstop

Heh. For all the occasional flaws in my hometown’s (NYC) administrative/organizational setup, “lack of a TNS attitude” can’t be counted among them.

Of course, very little of the Trump/GOP “base” live here (pace Staten Island): and, like I said above, nice as it would be to believe otherwise, xenophobia (however it may be expressed) as a political appeal is far from a sure-loser approach: neither here, or anywhere else. And, sadly, never has been.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:54:41am

re: #258 retired cynic

It keeps their enormous egos from exploding their heads.

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:55:16am

re: #298 wheat-dogg

Eight years? Did they mean, 4 years undergraduate plus all the graduate school leading up to PhD? I know some people who took even longer to get their physics PhD, like 10 years.

It took me nine years to get my BA in English…okay, I did a lot of drugs in college and dropped out a few times before getting my shit together in my mid twenties. Third shot at completing college I was a 4.0 student - like getting a 4.0 in college is hard or something…it’s just a matter of paying attention I discovered.

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TedStriker  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:55:48am

re: #315 darthstar

Richard Cranium?

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Butt-Head…

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Anymouse  Apr 22, 2017 • 10:57:51am

re: #314 Dizzy

An excellent response, thank you. I think you’ve hit on something key here. We don’t do enough to explain the underlying xenophobia that created conditions for the Holocaust.

As far as Jewish people, they’ve been putting up with it for a very long time - though certainly not on the industrial scale of the Nazis - see books like Martin Luther’s On the Jews and Their Lies and other such stuff.

Fortunately, Lutherans got better. /s

The Nazi “organisation” of mass-killing was so good, they extended it to many other groups. None of that had anything to do with Charles Darwin. It is such a disingenuous argument that I want a Nerf brick around to throw when I hear it.

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2017 • 11:03:12am

re: #308 Jay C

There was a poll showing that support for deportations was 38 for, 58 against.

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Dizzy  Apr 22, 2017 • 11:03:39am

re: #322 Anymouse

The Nazi “organisation” of mass-killing was so good, they extended it to many other groups. None of that had anything to do with Charles Darwin. It is such a disingenuous argument that I want a Nerf brick around to throw when I hear it.

Agreed. The popular term used (at least a couple of decades ago) was ‘social Darwinism’, but this is misrepresenting Darwin’s theory and applies the idea of ‘survival of the fittest’ to human socialization.

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darthstar  Apr 22, 2017 • 11:10:58am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 22, 2017 • 11:13:58am

re: #291 Anymouse

Still ploughing through that old creationism/evolution thread … up to comment #1950, where the arguments devolve into racism.

Take a break, this cannot be good for your health, anyone’s health. It’s probably bad for Felix’s health.

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Ming5000  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:53:03am

re: #160 Shiplord Kirel

wow, that was snarky


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