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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 23, 2017 • 1:23:48pm

To continue from downstairs. There are many issues that Dems can compromise on. Abortion is not one of them.

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mmmirele  Apr 23, 2017 • 1:27:07pm

I’m just going to plug my Paged response to an article by Joe Carter of the uber-conservative Calvinist-tinged organization “The Gospel Coalition.” The original article was called “Beware of the Broken Wolves.”

littlegreenfootballs.com

I appreciate Charles giving us the opportunity to put things like this up on his website.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2017 • 1:33:52pm

re: #1 GlutenFreeJesus

To continue from downstairs. There are many issues that Dems can compromise on. Abortion is not one of them.

Indeed- women’s rights are human rights.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 23, 2017 • 1:42:12pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2017 • 1:42:56pm

re: #4 Shiplord Kirel

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She needs to be defeated.

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freetoken  Apr 23, 2017 • 1:57:35pm

As noted downstairs, these pair of tweets today from Trump deserve attention:

So, let’s get back to this idea that psychiatrists think Trump has a definite (mental) problem.

Those pair of tweets have to exhibit either an inability to recognize when one is disproving oneself, or Trump is intentionally trolling people.

In those tweets he wants to simultaneously call news outlets “fake” while pushing a story (a recent poll) by a couple of them as true.

He wants something to be true and false at the same time.

This is either a mental disorder, or as I alluded, he is intentionally trolling or gaslighting America.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:02:36pm

re: #6 freetoken

As noted downstairs, these pair of tweets today from Trump deserve attention:

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So, let’s get back to this idea that psychiatrists think Trump has a definite (mental) problem.

Those pair of tweets have to exhibit either an inability to recognize when one is disproving oneself, or Trump is intentionally trolling people.

In those tweets he wants to simultaneously call news outlets “fake” while pushing a story (a recent poll) by a couple of them as true.

He wants something to be true and false at the same time.

This is either a mental disorder, or as I alluded, he is intentionally trolling or gaslighting America.

He really really needs to shut up. We get it Donny, you won. That doesn’t give you a get out of jail free card.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:05:41pm

I went back today and looked at the timeline of that woman who was pointlessly arguing with me yesterday on Twitter about Trump’s lawyers and their First Amendment confusion — it’s full of support for Marine Le Pen and conspiracy theories about Hillary Clinton murdering her enemies. She followed me after those exchanges, and I’ve now blocked her. She’s a total fucking lunatic.

@xmaddiemadisonx

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Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:08:35pm
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Nyet  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:09:02pm
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Nyet  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:09:36pm
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wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:09:43pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

I went back today and looked at the timeline of that woman who was pointlessly arguing with me yesterday on Twitter about Trump’s lawyers and their First Amendment confusion — it’s full of support for Marine Le Pen and conspiracy theories about Hillary Clinton murdering her enemies. She followed me after those exchanges, and I’ve now blocked her. She’s a total fucking lunatic.

@xmaddiemadisonx

No parting ‘GFY’? So much patience!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:11:00pm

re: #1 GlutenFreeJesus

To continue from downstairs. There are many issues that Dems can compromise on. Abortion is not one of them.

indeed.

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Skip Intro  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:12:42pm

re: #6 freetoken

As noted downstairs, these pair of tweets today from Trump deserve attention:

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So, let’s get back to this idea that psychiatrists think Trump has a definite (mental) problem.

Those pair of tweets have to exhibit either an inability to recognize when one is disproving oneself, or Trump is intentionally trolling people.

In those tweets he wants to simultaneously call news outlets “fake” while pushing a story (a recent poll) by a couple of them as true.

He wants something to be true and false at the same time.

This is either a mental disorder, or as I alluded, he is intentionally trolling or gaslighting America.

He’s not smart enough to do that. He’s mentally il, bigly.

His yuuuge insecurity will get us into a war real soon now.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:14:44pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:19:15pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

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I remember when Al-Q was gonna come over and enslave us all. Now it’s ISIS. Tomorrow it’ll be some group that’s only now forming in some damp corner of the very bowels of the Middle East. And we’ll be told about how they’re every bit the “threat” Al-Q and ISIS were before we pounded them into paste.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:23:44pm

OT, my latest:

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:27:50pm

Disgusting. This superstition-spouting clown is now a wobbly, overweight heartbeat from the presidency.

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sagehen  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:33:21pm

re: #1 GlutenFreeJesus

To continue from downstairs. There are many issues that Dems can compromise on. Abortion is not one of them.

Is it really a “compromise” to try to mitigate the harm of what would have happened if you’d just said no and refused to discuss it further?

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Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:35:39pm
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freetoken  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:37:12pm

Some time back I speculated that Trump is acting like someone who is not aging well (physically, mentally), and I propose the latest actions/statements of Trump’s supports that.

I speculated that is why he keeps Ivanka so close, or put in another way, why Ivanka keeps herself so close to her father.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:38:25pm

Beautiful family. There is a good chance these children will see the 22nd century. What will it be like? It is up to us.

Facebook Post

(“apt-get purge ignorance” refers to a Linux command.)

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freetoken  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:41:11pm

Downstairs I linked to the Weird History podcast archives. They are currently doing a series on fascist Italy.

In trying to define fascism, at least what it was, the host wrestles with the idea that it can’t be simply a collection of rational dogmas.

Rather, that the central tenet of fascism, as a form of ultra-nationalism, is emotional in nature.

When I compare Trump to fascists I think that is one of the parallels I’d like to draw. Trump doesn’t have to be rational because his movement and his supporters don’t base their support on rational ideas. Rather, this is an emotional appeal.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:45:10pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

And Zombies! Don’t forget zombies!
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Jesus Christ. Once again, I wonder why, if they’re gonna choose to live in alternative reality, they choose one so shitty. They could have unicorns and centaurs and leprechauns and shit like that, but no - it’s MOOZLIM HORDES TAKING OVER THE WORLD!!!!!

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Skip Intro  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:47:45pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

And waiting for his big chance is Trump understudy Ayatollah Pence.

We are so totally screwed, the GOP doesn’t care, and there’s not a thing we can do about it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:49:56pm

I wouldn’t put it past the GOP to 25th Amendment Trump so they can move forward with Pence.

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Citizen K  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:52:10pm

re: #25 Skip Intro

And waiting for his big chance is Trump understudy Ayatollah Pence.

We are so totally screwed, the GOP doesn’t care, and there’s not a thing we can do about it.

And judging by that ABC poll going around, Trump voters absolutely fucking love this and will not budge, ever, ever, whatsoever. Meanwhile we have Bernie or busters who seem still intent on treating Trump as the lesser of two evils long as it means they get to purge the Dems of anyone with any sort of ‘Clinton taint’ on them, and they don’t care how much we get forced into the wilderness, long as they ‘win’.

We’re fucked forever. It’s fucking over. The GOP owns the country wholesale and we’re never getting it back.. At best, we’re getting a hollowed out husk.

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Skip Intro  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:52:25pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

I wouldn’t put it past the GOP to 25th Amendment Trump so they can move forward with Pence.

If only it were that easy. Trump will pull a Nero if anyone tries to remove him.

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Unabogie  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:55:03pm

Charles:

Very Larry Carlton-esque. Good stuff.

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:55:27pm

re: #16 Targetpractice

I remember when Al-Q was gonna come over and enslave us all. Now it’s ISIS. Tomorrow it’ll be some group that’s only now forming in some damp corner of the very bowels of the Middle East. And we’ll be told about how they’re every bit the “threat” Al-Q and ISIS were before we pounded them into paste.

I’m worried about some group that is already formed in America that is going to enslave us.

I think they are called Republican Conservatives.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:56:02pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

I wouldn’t put it past the GOP to 25th Amendment Trump so they can move forward with Pence.

Except it’s hard for them to destroy Trump without seriously damaging Pence. Trump’s supporters would see him as an usurper and everyone else would see him as an illegitimate President’s hand picked illegitimate successor.

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makeitstop  Apr 23, 2017 • 2:56:40pm

That guy’s tone is about as close to a perfect Strat tone as you can get. Pretty mean player, too.Thanks, Charles.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:05:16pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

I wouldn’t put it past the GOP to 25th Amendment Trump so they can move forward with Pence.

I’m actually warming to the fun thought that the House flips enough in 2018 that Nancy Pelosi becomes Speaker.

And only then the impeachment games begin…

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Skip Intro  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:08:19pm

Donald Trump To Have Dinner With Supreme Court Justices

Sure, why not? What could possibly be improper about that?

huffingtonpost.com

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:09:28pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

Good grief. Trump is making less sense every day. His mind is deteriorating before our eyes

That whole thread by Daniel Dale is stunning

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:10:53pm
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thedopefishlives  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:11:28pm

re: #36 FormerDirtDart

As my favorite saying goes, What could POSSIBLY go wrong?!

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wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:12:07pm

New Mexicans are weird.

Time to go weird-out with them. Later, lizards.

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allegro  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:13:04pm

re: #34 Skip Intro

Donald Trump To Have Dinner With Supreme Court Justices

Sure, why not? What could possibly be improper about that?

huffingtonpost.com

At Trump hotel and he’ll make them eat the meatloaf.

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Interesting Times  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:14:23pm

The only question now is, what percentage of American voters will have enough critical thinking skills to blame GOPers:

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Skip Intro  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:14:31pm

re: #36 FormerDirtDart

If he doesn’t compare his sufferings at the hands of the FAKE MEDIA to those of who ever the hell this museum commemorates, I’ll be amazed.

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Skip Intro  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:19:24pm

re: #40 Interesting Times

1: Retail was doing great until Macy’s dumped Trump’s line of high quality Italian suits.

2: FAKE NEWS is scaring people.

3: The Dems fault since they refuse to allocate funds to pay for the wall that THEY WANTED.

All three of these will be 24/7 talking points on Fox/talk radio.

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Jay C  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:27:06pm

re: #42 Skip Intro

1: Retail was doing great until Macy’s dumped Trump’s line of high quality Italian suits.

2: FAKE NEWS is scaring people.

3: The Dems fault since they refuse to allocate funds to pay for the wall that THEY WANTED.

All three of these will be 24/7 talking points on Fox/talk radio.

Or, on a somewhat less-snarky level, a concerted campaign by virtually the entire Republican Party and its enabling RW media to try to convince the public that any economic downturn is entire the fault of eight years of “bad” economic policy by President Obama and Democrats, and only a swift and rigorous application of “serious” policies (I.e. Austerity) can save the country from another 1929.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:28:05pm

Just like Jill Stein and Bernie’s more lunatic surrogates such as Susan Sarandon, Rosario Dawson, Cornel West, etc. This shit is despicable. I never thought the far-left would become de facto toxic enablers of neo-fascism.

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Skip Intro  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:30:13pm

re: #43 Jay C

It’s not that snarky. Points one and two will certainly be used by Trump (not the Italian suit part, but then, why the hell not?).

As for point 3, all references to Mexico paying for the wall will be erased from the collective memory of the voters by Trump, the GOP, and the media.

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Nyet  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:31:51pm

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

“This disorder serves me well.” - Melenchon.

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Skip Intro  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:32:40pm

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

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Just like Jill Stein and Bernie’s more lunatic surrogates such as Susan Sarandon, Rosario Dawson, Cornel West, etc. This shit is despicable. I never thought the far-left would become de facto toxic enablers of neo-fascism.

To add to the world’s coming nightmare scenario,

Germany’s Far Right Rises Again

And once again, it’s the young people who are flocking to it.

politico.com

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:33:04pm

re: #43 Jay C

Or, on a somewhat less-snarky level, a concerted campaign by virtually the entire Republican Party and its enabling RW media to try to convince the public that any economic downturn is entire the fault of eight years of “bad” economic policy by President Obama and Democrats, and only a swift and rigorous application of “serious” policies (I.e. Austerity) can save the country from another 1929.

I don’t think that is going to be very easy to sell since it is only about ten years since the last downturn caused by Republicans. At some point too many people will figure out they keep hearing this and nothing improves.

And we can never forget that so many voters took a flyer on Trump thinking he was going to be the big economics fixer day one. They really did not think he was an ‘established’ Republican and they didn’t think they were voting for Republican policy.

So, more Republican thinking crashing the economy is not going to work. Too many lies too soon and even the ignorant can start to figure basic shit out…like having no money and no support of any kind.

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KGxvi  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:33:37pm

Watching the new episode of Doctor Who, and loved this line:

Are you Scottish?

No, I’m cross

Are there Scottish is space?

Yes, they’re everywhere, demand independence from every planet they land on

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Nyet  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:34:08pm

Melenchon and Le Pen share more than one could think. Certainly love for Putin.

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makeitstop  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:35:11pm

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

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Just like Jill Stein and Bernie’s more lunatic surrogates such as Susan Sarandon, Rosario Dawson, Cornel West, etc. This shit is despicable. I never thought the far-left would become de facto toxic enablers of neo-fascism.

Putin’s got a fully-realized playbook now. All he needs do is swap in the corresponding parts for any election he wants to disrupt.

Let’s hope our friends in France are smarter than we were.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:39:11pm

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You’re not ready for this but here it comes, so to speak.

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Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:40:23pm

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

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Just like Jill Stein and Bernie’s more lunatic surrogates such as Susan Sarandon, Rosario Dawson, Cornel West, etc. This shit is despicable. I never thought the far-left would become de facto toxic enablers of neo-fascism.

They’re just following in the footsteps of their ideological predecessors. The Communist Party of Germany was a constant source of friction in the early efforts to oppose the rise of the Nazi Party because they absolutely refused to accept anything short of a worker uprising. Post-war, they tried to blame the right-wing parties for the division, accusing them of having rejected proposals for a united front.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:40:29pm

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You’re not ready for this but here it comes, so to speak.

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oh…my…

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thedopefishlives  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:41:14pm

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

This. This is why the right wing is so fucked up. This right here explains everything.

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:41:55pm

re: #46 Nyet

“This disorder serves me well.” - Melenchon.

Order from Chaos - Free Masonry?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:42:25pm

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You’re not ready for this but here it comes, so to speak.

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she apparently had it mansplained to her that sex is satan if you are a woman who enjoys the sexy things…

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:43:43pm

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh…my…

Try to imagine being wound up that tight. This is one of the most toxic things religious extremism does, lady is literally demonizing the natural shit her brain does while she’s unconscious.

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Skip Intro  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:44:01pm

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

As long as we’re going there,

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thedopefishlives  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:44:08pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

she apparently had it manspalined to her that sex is satan if you are a woman who enjoys the sexy things…

This is why you should never teach your kids that sex is bad. Even if you don’t want them to have sex before marriage (or finding the right partner), teach them to be discriminate with choosing a partner. Don’t tell them sex is bad, it just results in stupidity.

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Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:44:52pm

re: #48 ObserverArt

I don’t think that is going to be very easy to sell since it is only about ten years since the last downturn caused by Republicans. At some point too many people will figure out they keep hearing this and nothing improves.

And we can never forget that so many voters took a flyer on Trump thinking he was going to be the big economics fixer day one. They really did not think he was an ‘established’ Republican and they didn’t think they were voting for Republican policy.

So, more Republican thinking crashing the economy is not going to work. Too many lies too soon and even the ignorant can start to figure basic shit out…like having no money and no support of any kind.

The GOP took the Clinton surplus, flushed it down the toilet with the Bush Tax Cuts, then blamed the resulting downturn on the “War on Terror” while insisting that the tonic the economy needed to get moving again was another round of tax cuts. And they got away with it for nearly 4 years because of the Housing Bubble that they took total credit for when they thought it would last forever. But (of course) as soon as the Bubble popped, suddenly they were the canaries in the coal mine, screaming out the need to regulate the banking industry but foiled at every turn by a sinister conspiracy of Democrats.

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Jay C  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:45:31pm

re: #48 ObserverArt

I don’t think that is going to be very easy to sell since it is only about ten years since the last downturn caused by Republicans. At some point too many people will figure out they keep hearing this and nothing improves.

And we can never forget that so many voters took a flyer on Trump thinking he was going to be the big economics fixer day one. They really did not think he was an ‘established’ Republican and they didn’t think they were voting for Republican policy.

So, more Republican thinking crashing the economy is not going to work. Too many lies too soon and even the ignorant can start to figure basic shit out…like having no money and no support of any kind.

Well, I didn’t say it would WORK - but I’m sure the GOP would try. Hard. Especially if the downturn comes, or is still persisting in an election year.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:45:32pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

she apparently had it mansplained to her that sex is satan if you are a woman who enjoys the sexy things…

Apparently it works both ways.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:47:20pm

re: #63 goddamnedfrank

Apparently it works both ways.

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wondering how Nikki explains the Virgin Mary middle of the night visitation…

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Anymouse  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:48:03pm

re: #1 GlutenFreeJesus

To continue from downstairs. There are many issues that Dems can compromise on. Abortion is not one of them.

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Indeed- women’s rights are human rights.

I agree. Women’s rights are human rights.

I am absolutely set against the death penalty. Good thing I didn’t vote for Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine (both of whom support it). Oh wait, I did vote for them. Because the alternative was a raging fascist Dumpster fire.

The only significant candidates for Omaha’s mayoral election are Mayor Jean Stothert (the person who is making residents repave their own streets) or former state senator Heath Mello.

nebraskademocrats.org
(Nebraska Democratic Party position statement on Heath Mello)

Mr. Mello is not some stealth Republican, as intimated above.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:48:04pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

wondering how Nikki explains the Virgin Mary middle of the night visitation…

Well, that was God, so.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:48:59pm

re: #66 thedopefishlives

Well, that was God, so.

*wink*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:50:04pm

re: #65 Anymouse

Mr. Mello is not some stealth Republican, as intimated above.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Not one person here has intimated that AT ALL.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:53:39pm

I keep having KT flashbacks. It’s impressive.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:54:14pm

re: #69 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I keep having KT flashbacks. It’s impressive.

THAT’S IT. I couldn’t quite put my finger on it.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:55:10pm

re: #70 thedopefishlives

THAT’S IT. I couldn’t quite put my finger on it.

There’s been a distinct lack of dead horse gifs, I suspect. Otherwise the connection would have been clearer.

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freetoken  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:55:26pm

re: #47 Skip Intro

This gets me back to the broader theme of nationalism, and why such a movement, or movements, or concepts, assert themselves now and then.

Mostly, I think, those who look at these things conclude it is based around the human need to identify. We need an identity, something to say what we are.

This of course is one of the conflicts between socialism and fascism. Socialism looks at people as members of groups (classes), and these groups are trans-national. Fascism defines people by the nation-identity.

Why we humans need an identity is probably a nebulous problem, maybe rooted deep into our primate nature.

But, we have this need, and it expresses itself.

When plied constructively we can use an identity to support productive means. Political parties can be one such identity.

But what we here of course worry over is the rise of hyper-nationalism. Trump has used this urge to his advantage. I think Americans of otherwise differing ideas about what America ought to be have blasted Trump on his ultra-nationalism (e.g., the Wall.)

However, what Trump knows is what is also known by advertising - it is possible to affect people’s decisions through mechanisms such as repetition, imagery, and words.

Trump’s damage to the US has so far been slowed by our sheer momentum, our size and nested institutions keep us from doing too much too quickly.

Yet I still see on my Facebook wall the same people over and over repeating the same stupid memes, about Obama, Clinton, Muslims, etc. All intended to scare people into thinking the “other” is about to get them.

So the problem remains that some large fraction of America is susceptible to the machinations of Trump and the urge towards putting nationalism at the center of life.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:56:44pm

re: #71 klys (maker of Silmarils)

There’s been a distinct lack of dead horse gifs, I suspect. Otherwise the connection would have been clearer.

lack of dead purity pony gifs, perhaps…

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:57:11pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2017 • 3:58:57pm

Isn’t it also a form of purity being nudged to vote for a person that has a “D” behind their name even if you don’t like the person’s stand?

Bottom line it comes down to what people actually vote for. So, if too many women do not like Mello and don’t vote for him, are they now not Democratically pure?

That word purity can mean a lot. It all depends on how it is viewed by an individual.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:01:40pm

re: #75 ObserverArt

Isn’t it also a form of purity being nudged to vote for a person that has a “D” behind their name even if you don’t like the person’s stand?

Bottom line it comes down to what people actually vote for. So, if too many women do not like Mello and don’t vote for him, are they now not Democratically pure?

That word purity can mean a lot. It all depends on how it is viewed by an individual.

I might be tempted to really get into this if we weren’t talking about a fucking Mayoral race in goddamned Omaha.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:01:46pm

re: #75 ObserverArt

Isn’t it also a form of purity being nudged to vote for a person that has a “D” behind their name even if you don’t like the person’s stand?

Bottom line it comes down to what people actually vote for. So, if too many women do not like Mello and don’t vote for him, are they now not Democratically pure?

That word purity can mean a lot. It all depends on how it is viewed by an individual.

as I said downstairs, I have a vagina but that is not a good enough reason alone for me to vote for a woman.

Same goes for whatever letter is behind someone’s name on a ballot.

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Anymouse  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:01:51pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Not one person here has intimated that AT ALL.

From the previous thread. (It was also noted at the end of the last thread that I keep harping on Mello. Okay, I’ll stop. I’m not in Omaha anyway. We could talk about guns, on which Mr. Mello is significantly closer to the Democratic platform than I am.)

re: #329 ObserverArt

Let me get this straight.

If a bunch of moderate Republicans get sick of Trump taking control of the party and they decide to put a “D” by their name, but they hold onto some conservative thinking like being against abortion (not pro-choice…big difference) it’s okay because then we get some more “D”s in office?

Because in a way I think that is a bit how this is being seen. People are suspicious of Mello from what I can tell and with good reason.

How many other parts of the long-standing Democratic party do we all need to consider chucking so we can have some more Democrats in office?

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freetoken  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:01:55pm

re: #75 ObserverArt

Isn’t it also a form of purity being nudged to vote for a person that has a “D” behind their name even if you don’t like the person’s stand?

If you’re going to cast someone out of the “D” party for such a stance, then yes, I suppose you could say this too would be a test.

But let’s hope that is not how things are done in reality.

Red lines - if you’re going to draw them then count the cost.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:02:48pm

re: #76 goddamnedfrank

I might be tempted to really get into this if we weren’t talking about a fucking Mayoral race in goddamned Omaha.

it’s ALWAYS gonna come down to some backwater race for purity purposes.

(yep, I used the backwater word just because I’m feeling particularly bitchy now.)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:04:03pm

re: #75 ObserverArt

And there’s a difference between being willing to vote for someone (albeit with reservations) and enthusiastically campaigning for them. There’s a difference between actually listening to what people are saying in terms of concerns and just saying “suck it up, he’s better than the alternative.”

A lot of people are willing to compromise away someone else’s rights, I’ve noticed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:04:44pm

re: #78 Anymouse

From the previous thread. (It was also noted at the end of the last thread that I keep harping on Mello. Okay, I’ll stop. I’m not in Omaha anyway. We could talk about guns, on which Mr. Mello is significantly closer to the Democratic platform than I am.)

None of us in the last thread implied that Mello was a stealth Republican.

NONE OF US.

Apparently YOU saw it that way, but different strokes I suppose.

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Anymouse  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:05:33pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

it’s ALWAYS gonna come down to some backwater race for purity purposes.

(yep, I used the backwater word just because I’m feeling particularly bitchy now.)

Omaha is one of the largest cities in the USA, but okay. We don’t really need Democrats here, because backwater.

Good thing we weren’t talking about my race in 2014, where I beat the gun shop owner in a town of 128. Just another backwater that doesn’t matter. The only freakin’ Democrat in ninety thousand square miles in office.

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allegro  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:06:51pm

re: #81 klys (maker of Silmarils)

And there’s a difference between being willing to vote for someone (albeit with reservations) and enthusiastically campaigning for them. There’s a difference between actually listening to what people are saying in terms of concerns and just saying “suck it up, he’s better than the alternative.”

A lot of people are willing to compromise away someone else’s rights, I’ve noticed.

THIS. thisthisthisthis….

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allegro  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:07:56pm

Taking a match to that fucking dead straw horse.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:08:40pm

re: #85 allegro

Taking a match to that fucking dead straw horse.

Have a cat photo. That’s what I used to do.

Much more productive than any other comment I could make right now.
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:08:43pm

LMAO here now with backwater purity tests now.

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:08:54pm

re: #79 freetoken

If you’re going to cast someone out of the “D” party for such a stance, then yes, I suppose you could say this too would be a test.

But let’s hope that is not how things are done in reality.

Red lines - if you’re going to draw them then count the cost.

I am old enough and have a grasp of history enough to also know this is also a very big part of the Democratic party.

Sometimes off we go into the weeds on minutiae of character and detail of ideals and lose sight of getting something done instead of giving up because we can’t agree on whether a sentence should end in a period or an exclamation.

Even the Russian know it! (Exclamation, no fucking period)

On the road again…

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thedopefishlives  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:10:15pm

re: #86 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You can never go wrong with cat pictures.

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Anymouse  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:10:49pm

I hereby apologise for actively campaigning for a Democrat in my own state. As I said, I won’t mention the candidate in that backwater city any more.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:11:42pm

good fucking grief…backwater purity pony is apparently a REAL FUCKING THING!

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Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:12:02pm

Ah, I see the Airing of Grievances has started early this evening. When do we move to the Feats of Strength?

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:12:25pm

Blue Dog Dems may not be perfect but they are a whole lot better than a real Republican. The only way D’s will take control of the Senate or the House is by electing those who are electable in Red States. Let’s do what is possible for now; if we try for the ideal, we are no better than the Bernie Bros.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:12:38pm

re: #92 Targetpractice

Ah, I see the Airing of Grievances has started early this evening. When do we move to the Feats of Strength?

I know! It’s amazing!

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Anymouse  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:13:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:14:51pm

re: #93 Hecuba’s daughter

Blue Dog Dems may not be perfect but they are a whole lot better than a real Republican. The only way D’s will take control of the Senate or the House is by electing those who are electable in Red States. Let’s do what is possible for now; if we try for the ideal, we are no better than the Bernie Bros.

Blue Dog Dems have pretty much destroyed everything in Kentucky this term.
They’ve destroyed Planned Parenthood, women’s rights, gay rights, ACA…
hell…pretty much anything that is not business-friendly.

All because Blue Dog Dems in Kentucky have 2 platforms: no abortion and hate teh gheys….

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allegro  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:15:42pm

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief…backwater purity pony is apparently a REAL FUCKING THING!

A martyred backwater purity pony!

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thedopefishlives  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:15:52pm

re: #92 Targetpractice

Ah, I see the Airing of Grievances has started early this evening. When do we move to the Feats of Strength?

Right about now.

Alright, people, that’s ENOUGH. There’s room in the Democratic party for everybody. We all have our own hot-button issues, and what is an acceptable stance for one person is unacceptable to many others. Point of the matter is, let’s not get into the BernieBros’ mode of running around with our noses in the air, claiming that we’re RIGHT, dammit, and everybody else is wrong. There’s room to disagree and if the candidate’s stance is unclear or based on incomplete information, we can always, you know, ASK. BOTH sides here are arguing over purity ponies, and it needs to stop. We don’t have time or energy to waste debating whether Millo is a Democrat or an asshole or both. Let’s spend that time figuring out whether his abortion stance is a legitimate issue or something he is willing to compromise on, and move on.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:16:05pm

re: #83 Anymouse

Omaha is one of the largest cities in the USA, but okay. We don’t really need Democrats here, because backwater.

Good thing we weren’t talking about my race in 2014, where I beat the gun shop owner in a town of 128. Just another backwater that doesn’t matter. The only freakin’ Democrat in ninety thousand square miles in office.

I wouldn’t give a shit if it was Seattle, and I basically grew up there. Yes, I know a plausible argument can be made that mayor is a stepping stone office. That doesn’t change the fact that this wouldn’t be on anyone’s radar if Bernie hadn’t shunned and talked shit about Ossoff on election day or blamed the DNC for Thompson’s loss in Kansas when the DNC gave more than his own PAC. He’s using the Omaha race to enforce his own particular brand of purity politics where the ONLY issue that matters is strict adherence to Bernie’s economic platform.

Also while the bill Mello co-sponsored was mischaracterized and I took issue with that, his overall record on abortion is still seriously awful. I don’t blame those voters who do not trust his sudden policy shift towards choice one bit. Frankly it smells like a cynical bullshit move necessitated by Omaha’s more liberal voting base.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:17:33pm

re: #93 Hecuba’s daughter

Blue Dog Dems may not be perfect but they are a whole lot better than a real Republican. The only way D’s will take control of the Senate or the House is by electing those who are electable in Red States. Let’s do what is possible for now; if we try for the ideal, we are no better than the Bernie Bros.

I think most folks here are capable of making the pragmatic and practical decision when in the voting booth.

But everyone is going to have their own red line. Something that absolutely cannot be supported.

I don’t begrudge people that because I have mine too. For the most part, the Democratic Party aligns fairly well with mine, so I tend to vote D. (The GOP, on the other hand, crosses it right and left and back again like a fucking zig zag.) But there are still principles that I hold where I don’t compromise. End of story.

Since I’m not a politician, I can get away with that.

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Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:18:29pm

Call me a cynic (please, it’s my only defining characteristic), but we always find ourselves compromising when it comes to our vote. In no election I’ve taken part in in the past 14+ years have I found myself voting for somebody whom I agreed with 100%. More than once I’ve had to take a candidate at their word that their past beliefs were in the past and the guy I was voting for was a different person. The alternative is to just sit on the sidelines and whine that there’s no candidate for me because I refuse to budge.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:21:18pm

And with my mini-tirade over, I am going to go check on the feline overlords and make sure they have food and water, then pour myself a nice stiff drink. Tension and strife among the Lizardim is not something I handle well.

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:25:20pm

re: #83 Anymouse

Omaha is one of the largest cities in the USA, but okay. We don’t really need Democrats here, because backwater.

Good thing we weren’t talking about my race in 2014, where I beat the gun shop owner in a town of 128. Just another backwater that doesn’t matter. The only freakin’ Democrat in ninety thousand square miles in office.

And this is where you lose people. Not one single person is saying they don’t want Democrats in your state.

But they are saying they do want Democrats in the state.

And you missed my point.

My point is there is concern about Mello and you seem to want to pass by those concerns to get a person in office that has a letter D.

People are voting their concerns in this debate and you want to discount it now. Who is asking for their version of purity?

Do we want Democrats? Sure do, but they should be Democrats. They should buy into one of the damn fundamentals of the party since the 70s. People see his stand and they go whoa…uh, what is this? Can I trust him. Red flags.

Abortion and women’s rights are under attack and women are concerned, but you seem to think it does not matter if we get this guy into office. It matters. People are saying it right here, right now…no vote needed and from their hearts.

Accept it and work from there.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:25:35pm

Evening all. Another 12hr shift on move…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:26:41pm

FWIW, my backwater is loads smaller than Anymouse’s, has crappy roads, no municipal services (oh, we don’t have a city here…), also has no cell phone service, and a way WAY slower internet connect than he does.

OTOH, I’ve got really good spring water all over the farm, so there’s that perk.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:27:11pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

Call me a cynic (please, it’s my only defining characteristic), but we always find ourselves compromising when it comes to our vote. In no election I’ve taken part in in the past 14+ years have I found myself voting for somebody whom I agreed with 100%. More than once I’ve had to take a candidate at their word that their past beliefs were in the past and the guy I was voting for was a different person. The alternative is to just sit on the sidelines and whine that there’s no candidate for me because I refuse to budge.

I don’t think anybody would give a shit about Mello if Bernie wasn’t using the guy as part of his destructive campaign to reshape the Democratic Party according to his economically monomaniacal worldview.

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Anymouse  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:27:29pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

Call me a cynic (please, it’s my only defining characteristic), but we always find ourselves compromising when it comes to our vote. In no election I’ve taken part in in the past 14+ years have I found myself voting for somebody whom I agreed with 100%. More than once I’ve had to take a candidate at their word that their past beliefs were in the past and the guy I was voting for was a different person. The alternative is to just sit on the sidelines and whine that there’s no candidate for me because I refuse to budge.

We’ve had a few people in the history of this state that were wrongfully executed.

nytimes.com

Asked her position on capital punishment, Mrs. Clinton said she did not support abolishing the death penalty, but she did encourage the federal government to rethink it.

“We have a lot of evidence now that the death penalty has been too frequently applied, and too often in a discriminatory way,” she said. “So I think we have to take a hard look at it.”

Mrs. Clinton added, “I do not favor abolishing it, however, because I do think there are certain egregious cases that still deserve the consideration of the death penalty, but I’d like to see those be very limited and rare, as opposed to what we’ve seen in most states.”

Her statement immediately ignited an outcry from some liberals who hoped she would have taken a tougher stance against the death penalty. Mrs. Clinton’s two main Democratic rivals, Senator Bernie Sanders and Martin O’Malley, have called to abolish the death penalty.

In the caucuses, I voted for Sanders, partly because of his stance on the death penalty. (By the time our caucus came round Martin O’Malley was already out.)

I didn’t get the guy who wanted to abolish the death penalty. I voted instead for the woman who doesn’t, despite my own position on the death penalty (I have always opposed it as long as I have been alive).

I’m guessing I need to take a break from political discussion for a while. I will think about what others have noted to me here.

I’ll leave you with another pair of guinea pigs. I’m not doing cat pictures as my cat is still hospitalised.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:28:16pm

re: #100 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Since I’m not a politician, I can get away with that.

I was a politician; I served my time in public office. I can get away with it as well.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:29:20pm

re: #106 goddamnedfrank

I don’t think anybody would give a shit about Mello if Bernie wasn’t using the guy as part of his destructive campaign to reshape the Democratic Party according to his economically monomaniacal worldview.

I think this is more worth discussing. The argument over Mello’s stance is worthwhile, but a sidetrack from the real issue. We can and will disagree and debate on the importance of his seeming about-face, what the bill he voted for actually was and whether there was another alternative, and the like. The main thing for us all to focus our ire upon is that Sanders is promoting his own purity pony crusade by crucifying Mello.

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:29:55pm

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

Blue Dog Dems have pretty much destroyed everything in Kentucky this term.
They’ve destroyed Planned Parenthood, women’s rights, gay rights, ACA…
hell…pretty much anything that is not business-friendly.

All because Blue Dog Dems in Kentucky have 2 platforms: no abortion and hate teh gheys….

So in other words the letter behind their names doesn’t matter one bit if they just turn out to do very conservative things to hold their jobs (and keep their letter) in their otherwise not very Democratic state.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:30:33pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:30:46pm

back in a few…a bunch of high school sports stories just showed up for editing…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:31:52pm

re: #110 ObserverArt

So in other words the letter behind their names doesn’t matter one bit if they just turn out to do very conservative things to hold their jobs (and keep their letter) in their otherwise not very Democratic state.

All I was trying to point out is that the “D” after a name was a pointless exercise in “purity” at least in Kentucky.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:32:08pm

Things Maggie doesn’t want to hear. The Chapman thread is worth a few minutes.

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freetoken  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:32:43pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

Call me a cynic …..

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:34:30pm

re: #98 thedopefishlives

Right about now.

Alright, people, that’s ENOUGH. There’s room in the Democratic party for everybody. We all have our own hot-button issues, and what is an acceptable stance for one person is unacceptable to many others. Point of the matter is, let’s not get into the BernieBros’ mode of running around with our noses in the air, claiming that we’re RIGHT, dammit, and everybody else is wrong. There’s room to disagree and if the candidate’s stance is unclear or based on incomplete information, we can always, you know, ASK. BOTH sides here are arguing over purity ponies, and it needs to stop. We don’t have time or energy to waste debating whether Millo is a Democrat or an asshole or both. Let’s spend that time figuring out whether his abortion stance is a legitimate issue or something he is willing to compromise on, and move on.

Awwww man, but this is a political discussion board. I sort of thought we were just starting to break into the actual discussion. That usually happens when you free people up from their already held convictions and start thinking past them. That is if they want to engage.

But I may be wrong…so I am going to watch the development. And I have some wood stripper to remove.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:36:48pm

So apart from Dem politics, I’m thinking Sunday dinner to be a good topic. You guys on the east Coast probably ate. Out here I’ve got salmon thawing, gonna do it in a pan crispy skin on. Anyone into worthy libations?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:37:49pm

re: #117 Unshaken Defiance

So apart from Dem politics, I’m thinking Sunday dinner to be a good topic. You guys on the east Coast probably ate. Out here I’ve got Salmon thawing, gonna do it in a pan crispy skin on. Anyone into worthy libations?

I haven’t made it to the grocery store yet (sitting here meal planning for the week) and the fridge is pretty empty because we just did two weeks on the road, so…out as soon as mr. klys is ready. Favorite local place - a chain, but the chef is good and they have a fantastic beer and cocktail selection so we can both be happy.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:38:41pm

re: #117 Unshaken Defiance

So apart from Dem politics, I’m thinking Sunday dinner to be a good topic. You guys on the east Coast probably ate. Out here I’ve got Salmon thawing, gonna do it in a pan crispy skin on. Anyone into worthy libations?

I am going to indulge in what little liquor remains in the house (paging Mrs. Fish, we need a shopping trip), and fry up some junk food to watch the new episode of Doctor Who and a few other, more sultry shows with Mrs. Fish tonight.

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Anymouse  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:39:26pm

re: #117 Unshaken Defiance

So apart from Dem politics, I’m thinking Sunday dinner to be a good topic. You guys on the east Coast probably ate. Out here I’ve got salmon thawing, gonna do it in a pan crispy skin on. Anyone into worthy libations?

We’ll be having porterhouse steak for dinner … it’s thawing now for the broiler.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:40:22pm

re: #119 thedopefishlives

I am going to indulge in what little liquor remains in the house (paging Mrs. Fish, we need a shopping trip), and fry up some junk food to watch the new episode of Doctor Who and a few other, more sultry shows with Mrs. Fish tonight.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:40:27pm

re: #98 thedopefishlives

Right about now.

Alright, people, that’s ENOUGH. There’s room in the Democratic party for everybody. We all have our own hot-button issues, and what is an acceptable stance for one person is unacceptable to many others. Point of the matter is, let’s not get into the BernieBros’ mode of running around with our noses in the air, claiming that we’re RIGHT, dammit, and everybody else is wrong. There’s room to disagree and if the candidate’s stance is unclear or based on incomplete information, we can always, you know, ASK. BOTH sides here are arguing over purity ponies, and it needs to stop. We don’t have time or energy to waste debating whether Millo is a Democrat or an asshole or both. Let’s spend that time figuring out whether his abortion stance is a legitimate issue or something he is willing to compromise on, and move on.

I don’t think the California party wants me. Not the majority faction anyway. National? You know me a little what say you?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:41:14pm

re: #117 Unshaken Defiance

So apart from Dem politics, I’m thinking Sunday dinner to be a good topic. You guys on the east Coast probably ate. Out here I’ve got salmon thawing, gonna do it in a pan crispy skin on. Anyone into worthy libations?

Check this out for side dish/playing ideas. :)

Tender, Flaky Salmon Filets with Sous Vide

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thedopefishlives  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:42:11pm

re: #121 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:42:26pm

re: #117 Unshaken Defiance

Hmm. Normally with fish it is white wine but since it is salmon it probably could go with a rose or a white zinnifidel

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:44:30pm

re: #115 freetoken

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I and a friend wanted to set up “The Healthy Cynic Institution” back when younger. It would be to advance research into a theory of why a cynical outlook can be both a defensive and protective mode for the individual character’s mental health.

Strength in Cynicism! Doubt everything often and never be fooled.

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Anymouse  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:44:32pm

re: #125 PhillyPretzel

Hmm. Normally with fish it is white wine but since it is salmon it probably could go with a rose or a white zinnifidel

Or rum.

Rum works pretty well with everything. (Maybe not so much on cornflakes, though.)

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:45:11pm

So given the topic above and being well impressed I went looking for more. I found a far more jazz piece by the same man on a collaborative album.
Charles this might be as much to your liking as the headline song.

Iframe

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Jay C  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:48:11pm

re: #117 Unshaken Defiance

So apart from Dem politics, I’m thinking Sunday dinner to be a good topic. You guys on the east Coast probably ate. Out here I’ve got salmon thawing, gonna do it in a pan crispy skin on. Anyone into worthy libations?

I know the old “white wine with fish” trope is usually considered an Unbreakable Commandment (with a slight “out” for rosés, as noted), but I’ve always found that a good light red, e.g. Cotes-du-Rhone or a light Aussie Shiraz, makes a good accompaniment to salmon (virtually the only fish that it works that way) - especially if the salmon is done simply; pan-fired or grilled, say.

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freetoken  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:48:25pm

Factionalism among parties is hardly new and is probably a necessary part of the political process.

Way back when the progressives in America were the (religious) abolitionists of the 1850’s, the existing political party structure could not accommodate them.

Some people today will think of abortion in a way that slavery was to abolitionists - a red line.

But I repeat myself - count the costs of drawing such a line.

Abortion is already such a line - for Christian fundamentalists in this country. In no small part, the fundamentalists on my Facebook wall who support Trump do so because their religious leaders (e.g., Graham Jr.) say to. And those religious leaders support Trump because they think their anti-abortion beliefs can become law under Trump.

So if abortion already functions as a red-line for the fundamentalists in this country, can it also function as such a line for the Democratic party?

I feel a bit queasy about that. Perhaps some may think I have a luxury in regards to this issue, being male. Maybe, not sure.

As for Bernie and his ego - this has already gone on too long, but I don’t see how it will end until Bernie just gets too old for anyone to listen to him anymore.

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retired cynic  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:54:57pm

re: #115 freetoken

Hey!

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retired cynic  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:57:13pm

re: #125 PhillyPretzel

Hmm. Normally with fish it is white wine but since it is salmon it probably could go with a
rose or a white zinnifidel

A zininfidel?

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allegro  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:59:27pm

re: #130 freetoken

So if abortion already functions as a red-line for the fundamentalists in this country, can it also function as such a line for the Democratic party?

I feel a bit queasy about that. Perhaps some may think I have a luxury in regards to this issue, being male. Maybe, not sure.

I know of no pro-choice person who cares one whit about what any individual feels about abortion. We only demand that our elected lawmakers do not infringe on our rights to our own beliefs and choices. You used the slavery analogy which is a good one. Would you consider compromise on that issue? If a candidate said he believed in slavery but claimed he wouldn’t vote for it, would it not make you question? Is that a red line that would make you queasy?

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 23, 2017 • 4:59:39pm

re: #132 retired cynic

Why not?

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Anymouse  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:02:27pm

re: #133 allegro

I know of no pro-choice person who cares one whit about what any individual feels about abortion. We only demand that our elected lawmakers do not infringe on our rights to our own beliefs and choices. You used the slavery analogy which is a good one. Would you consider compromise on that issue? If a candidate said he believed in slavery but claimed he wouldn’t vote for it, would it not make you question? Is that a red line that would make you queasy?

If you had a candidate that said she believed in the death penalty but would ask the Federal government to “rethink its position” would you still vote for her?

I submit wrongfully executing someone is the ultimate violation of individual rights.

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freetoken  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:02:47pm

re: #133 allegro

You used the slavery analogy which is a good one. Would you consider compromise on that issue?

Well… we (the US) when through almost a century of compromise on the slavery issue. From the revolution, through the Articles of Confederation, then the Constitution, then decades of legal disputes and Congressional laws.

So it took a long time for the issue to work itself out.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:04:50pm

re: #136 freetoken

Well… we (the US) when through almost a century of compromise on the slavery issue. From the revolution, through the Articles of Confederation, then the Constitution, then decades of legal disputes and Congressional laws.

So it took a long time for the issue to work itself out.

It took Minie balls for the issue to work itself out.

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makeitstop  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:04:52pm

re: #114 Dave In Austin

Things Maggie doesn’t want to hear. The Chapman thread is worth a few minutes.

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Haberman ran away like the Devil himself was chasing her.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:04:56pm
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Nyet  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:08:02pm

Obama on the Art of the Compromise:

Abraham Lincoln. Here’s a guy who didn’t believe in slavery, but his first priority was keeping the union. I’ve got a copy of the Emancipation Proclamation in my office, and if you read through it, most of the document is those states and areas where emancipation doesn’t apply because those folks are allied with the union so they can keep their slaves.

Here’s a wartime President making a compromise around the greatest moral issue that the country ever faced, because he understood that his job was to win the war and maintain the union. Can you imagine how the Huffington Post would have reported on that? It would have been blistering. “Lincoln Sells Out Slaves.” There would be protests, and we’re going to run a third party guy.

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allegro  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:09:36pm

re: #136 freetoken

Well… we (the US) when through almost a century of compromise on the slavery issue. From the revolution, through the Articles of Confederation, then the Constitution, then decades of legal disputes and Congressional laws.

So it took a long time for the issue to work itself out.

This isn’t 100 years ago. This is now. And I still ask the question.

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fern01  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:12:49pm

re: #18 Shiplord Kirel

Disgusting. This superstition-spouting clown is now a wobbly, overweight heartbeat from the presidency.

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And the b.s. about him in the Australian press is horrific. I doubt trump even knows where he is or what he is saying but the OZ pm treats him like an American idol. I just can’t any more. I do not know anyone in Australia who supports the current US administration - except the P.M. and the news media.

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Citizen K  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:17:17pm

re: #142 fern01

And the b.s. about him in the Australian press is horrific. I doubt trump even knows where he is or what he is saying but the OZ pm treats him like an American idol. I just can’t any more. I do not know anyone in Australia who supports the current US administration - except the P.M. and the news media.

Australia’s struck me as a growing lost cause politically for years. They’ve been dead set on emulating the worst sins of the GOP, consistently.

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freetoken  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:17:24pm

re: #141 allegro

This isn’t 100 years ago. This is now. And I still ask the question.

I spend a lot of time working on my genealogy, and I’ve decided that people don’t really change all that much. Changes in society obviously happen, but I guess my point is that the process can be slower than at first glance, and start and end in nebulous segments.

As for me, I’m now a registered “D” in San Diego county. Part of the party is just whacky, and we have our own “backwater” problem here - the Dems tend to not run serious candidates in the rural areas of the county which are controlled by the religious right.

Abortion is not an issue that has deep traction for me. It’s just not my thing. I have no immediate vested interest in the issue. I am not a woman of childbearing age, I have no daughter of such, and I’m not going around impregnating women here and yon.

There is much to say for the privacy of the human, of the importance of protecting the individual from the state. This is the realm of classical liberalism. You want the state to not have to force a woman to undergo an examination. You want the state to not prohibit a woman from getting an abortion. I understand that and concur with the importance of recognizing the decision process of the woman. I am glad the “D” party as such takes a stance on the importance of this liberty. But I also accept that there will be “D” members who have moral/ethical/religious qualms with abortion. I am hoping that the “big tent” can encompass differing views on this.

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calochortus  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:17:29pm

re: #127 Anymouse

Or rum.

Rum works pretty well with everything. (Maybe not so much on cornflakes, though.)

Rum and granola is not a good combo. Something I learned in college…

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steve_davis  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:18:00pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

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yeah, i’m trying not to actually binge watch the whole thing tonight, but i tend to agree. solving his mom’s murder tended to avoid a lot of heavy lifting. this feels like it’s a little less labored (though really the first two seasons were still damned good).

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steve_davis  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:18:36pm

re: #146 steve_davis

tended to involve a lot of heavy lifting. shouldn’t listen to blue cheer while posting to lgf.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:20:25pm

That feeling when you finally figure out what you need to configure to allow remote login to your office desktop computer from a Linux server. (And still keep it secure, of course.)

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:20:41pm

re: #146 steve_davis

I am finishing watching the last season of Downton Abbey this afternoon/evening. It is still enjoyable.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:23:26pm

re: #135 Anymouse

If you had a candidate that said she believed in the death penalty but would ask the Federal government to “rethink its position” would you still vote for her?

I submit wrongfully executing someone is the ultimate violation of individual rights.

Really, are you really seriously suggesting that a lizard here would do that?

If there was a candidate that said maybe we shouldn’t be giving Gold Star families so many benefits that other military families don’t get?

gaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh…..

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Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:24:31pm

Within 10 minutes of opening an SSH port for remote login, I got a hit on that port from a server in Argentina. This is why we can’t have nice things on the internets.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:24:58pm

What we really need now is an outbreak of progressive vanguardism.

en.wikipedia.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:25:45pm

jeebus, the red lines for purity ponies are starting to run all over the freaking place.

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freetoken  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:26:40pm

re: #152 Decatur Deb

In the context of the theory of Marxist revolutionary struggle, vanguardism is a strategy whereby the most class-conscious and politically advanced sections of the proletariat or working class, described as the revolutionary vanguard, form organizations in order to draw larger sections of the working class towards revolutionary politics and serve as manifestations of proletarian political power against its class enemies.

Is that the same thing as BernieBros??

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fern01  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:26:49pm

re: #34 Skip Intro

Donald Trump To Have Dinner With Supreme Court Justices

Sure, why not? What could possibly be improper about that?

huffingtonpost.com

And the article has to include “both sides” - Barack Obama once visited the Supreme Court.

They never seemed to get into “both sides” when attacking those emails - and many many GOPers have and do use emails outside of their congressional email.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:26:56pm

And… I just got another hit from a Chinese server in Guangzhou.

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freetoken  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:27:13pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

The world loves you.

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calochortus  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:27:52pm

re: #157 freetoken

The world loves you.

Beat me to it!

OT: There’s just too much to be done at this time of year. Washing windows, cleaning things, trying to beat the yard into some sort of shape for the summer, etc. Plus we have an anniversary party coming up in about 6 weeks and while we have a caterer who will handle much of the work, I’ve still got to make the invitations, get all the cards made, addressed and sent, plan centerpieces, and bake a couple cakes.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:28:31pm

It’s always kinda scary to realize how many bots are out there trying to hack everything at any given moment. The internet is a jungle packed with monsters.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:28:53pm

re: #154 freetoken

Is that the same thing as BernieBros??

It’s anybody that thinks they alone have clear understanding and set the only path for the struggle ahead.

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Whack-A-Mole  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:29:26pm

re: #159 Charles Johnson

It’s always kinda scary to realize how many bots are out there trying to hack everything at any given moment. The internet is a jungle packed with monsters.

So kinda like CPAC?

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:29:33pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

And… I just got another hit from a Chinese server in Guangzhou.

Do they have nice Asian ladies who are dying to meet older men?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:30:12pm

I see now how a mere legislation for an invasive ultrasound is merely a suggestion that women should just shrug off and we should not be so prickly about it.

Because there are red lines that woman should just see as suggestive pink lines, and then there are RED FREAKING LINES that men have…

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prairiefire  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:30:15pm

re: #159 Charles Johnson

It’s always kinda scary to realize how many bots are out there trying to hack everything at any given moment. The internet is a jungle packed with monsters.

I’m afraid they have f’ed with our democracy, as well.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:31:15pm
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makeitstop  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:31:22pm

re: #162 Decatur Deb

Do they have nice Asian ladies who are dying to meet older men?

Or excellent quality sports jerseys at reasonable prices?

(A running joke on a sports forum I belong to.)

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Nyet  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:34:10pm

re: #162 Decatur Deb

Do they have nice Asian ladies who are dying to meet older men?

Yes, but they’re IBMs (also telephones).

ELO - Yours Truly, 2095

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:36:34pm

Joe Biden is a professed Catholic who follows his church in his personal life, but has declared he would not impose his beliefs on other citizens. He has voted against the use of Federal money for abortion. In a Biden-Trump presidential matchup, is a third-party vote preferable?

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Skip Intro  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:36:45pm

re: #155 fern01

And the article has to include “both sides” - Barack Obama once visited the Supreme Court.

They never seemed to get into “both sides” when attacking those emails - and many many GOPers have and do use emails outside of their congressional email.

Yeah, before he took office if I recall correctly, and I don’t believe Obama was the subject of hundreds of lawsuits, but the MBF has to be fed.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:39:04pm

re: #168 Decatur Deb

Joe Biden is a professed Catholic who follows his church in his personal life, but has declared he would not impose his beliefs on other citizens. He has voted against the use of Federal money for abortion. In a Biden-Trump presidential matchup, is a third-party vote preferable?

See also: Kaine, Tim.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:40:56pm

I love the French.

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prairiefire  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:41:49pm

Can we at least come up with some Democratic men who are as aggressive as the right? Aggressive for my rights as well as the rights of all women? I’ll say “please” once, the next time my boot will be on their neck.

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allegro  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:42:56pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:44:18pm

re: #168 Decatur Deb

Joe Biden is a professed Catholic who follows his church in his personal life, but has declared he would not impose his beliefs on other citizens. He has voted against the use of Federal money for abortion. In a Biden-Trump presidential matchup, is a third-party vote preferable?

Hyde Amendment is law right now. Roe v Wade is law of the land.
Hyde Amendment has not imposed Biden’s personal beliefs so far because PP can still provide abortions without federal funds.
If there is a Biden-Trump matchup, I’m going with Uncle Joe.
Fuck a third party.

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Anymouse  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:44:43pm

re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth

Really, are you really seriously suggesting that a lizard here would do that?

Yes. Every person who voted for Hillary Clinton (see linked article above at the New York Times on her support of the death penalty). The death penalty was not a big enough issue for them. I would rather have 95% of my issues (Clinton) rather than 0% of my issues (Trump), and try to work for that last 5%.

If there was a candidate that said maybe we shouldn’t be giving Gold Star families so many benefits that other military families don’t get?

gaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh…..

Oh boy, take my Gold Star Family Pin, the only benefit we get. Gaaaa.

That’s enough for me here tonight. Where do you want me to mail my pin (that I got forty-five years late)? I wouldn’t want to impose with all those benefits we get (a pin and a picture in the local newspaper when it’s pinned on).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:44:58pm

re: #173 allegro

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:45:25pm

re: #172 prairiefire

Can we at least come up with some Democratic men who are as aggressive as the right? Aggressive for my rights as well as the rights of all women?

They’re out there, somewhere. How far up the food chain will such men and women get? “Coming up with” a candidate is a decades-long process fraught with compromise.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:45:39pm

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

Joe does have more experience than most candidates.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:46:09pm

If our side of the aisle can not get it together we are truly fucked. The stakes are so high…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:46:11pm

and there we have it.

Some red lines are worth more than others.

Fuck it…I’m gone for the night….

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:47:45pm

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hyde Amendment is law right now. Roe v Wade is law of the land.
Hyde Amendment has not imposed Biden’s personal beliefs so far because PP can still provide abortions without federal funds.
If there is a Biden-Trump matchup, I’m going with Uncle Joe.
Fuck a third party.

The Hyde amendment is easily seen as an imbalanced imposition, particularly in the perspective of poor women’s access to medical care.

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prairiefire  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:48:05pm

re: #177 Decatur Deb

The populace mows “the women” down. They hardly get out of the starting gate with the electorate. I’m sure we will be throwing some more before the lions in 2018. Gods speed.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:50:13pm

re: #182 prairiefire

The populace mows “the women” down. They hardly get out of the starting gate with the electorate. I’m sure we will be throwing some more before the lions in 2018. Gods speed.

Contemplate this election: Biden/Clinton vs Trump/Pence.

‘Twas not to be.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:51:49pm

re: #181 Decatur Deb

The Hyde amendment is easily seen as an imbalanced imposition, particularly in the perspective of poor women’s access to medical care.

but some PP clinics can still offer abortions to the poor women because some of us privately support our local clinics financially for exactly that.

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teleskiguy  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:52:22pm

Brother can you spare $50 mil?

Facebook Post

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prairiefire  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:52:43pm

re: #183 Decatur Deb

Contemplate this election: Biden/Clinton vs Trump/Pence.

‘Twas not to be.

Good thing you can’t see me throwing things around!

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:54:29pm

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

but some PP clinics can still offer abortions to the poor women because some of us privately support our local clinics financially for exactly that.

Until Trump gets a second term and a fourth Supreme Court vacancy.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:55:34pm

re: #1 GlutenFreeJesus

To continue from downstairs. There are many issues that Dems can compromise on. Abortion is not one of them.

Neither is pandering to white racists.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:56:49pm

re: #188 The Vicious Babushka

Neither is pandering to white racists.

Neither is the right to unionize.

So we see where this is going.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:56:55pm

re: #175 Anymouse

Yes. Every person who voted for Hillary Clinton (see linked article above at the New York Times on her support of the death penalty). The death penalty was not a big enough issue for them. I would rather have 95% of my issues (Clinton) rather than 0% of my issues (Trump), and try to work for that last 5%.

Oh boy, take my Gold Star Family Pin, the only benefit we get. Gaaaa.

That’s enough for me here tonight. Where do you want me to mail my pin (that I got forty-five years late)? I wouldn’t want to impose with all those benefits we get (a pin and a picture in the local newspaper when it’s pinned on).

Here’s the freaking difference:

I see your Gold Star is every bit as a valued freedom as my personal female reproductive rights and civil rights.

You see your Gold Star as something other than that and immediately saw a freaking insult when I dared to put both on the same bar.

So be it.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:59:15pm

And now here are two more hits on that open port (denied, of course) from Brazil and Taiwan.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:59:35pm

re: #187 Decatur Deb

Until Trump gets a second term and a fourth Supreme Court vacancy.

and then we’re back to the old days and ways of doing things…

But that’s one of those red lines we need to shrug off because some Dems need to compromise if they want to be elected…
*spit*

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stpaulbear  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:59:36pm

My big issue this evening is ‘Sunset Boulevard’ or ‘All About Eve’. Sunset is winning.

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KGxvi  Apr 23, 2017 • 5:59:37pm

re: #63 goddamnedfrank

I always thought Incubus was just a crappy band from the 90s/early aughts

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:01:20pm

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:02:06pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

and then we’re back to the old days and ways of doing things…

But that’s one of those red lines we need to shrug off because some Dems need to compromise if they want to be elected…
*spit*

We can all draw red lines, or we can get these reactionaries out of office in 2020.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:03:32pm

re: #196 Decatur Deb

We can all draw red lines, or we can get these reactionaries out of office in 2020.

and we need to get some of them to STFU about their purity ponies between now and then

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Timothy Watson  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:04:58pm

re: #194 KGxvi

I always thought Incubus was just a crappy band from the 90s/early aughts

Hey! *shifty look while hiding his iTunes playlist*

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:05:50pm

re: #168 Decatur Deb

Joe Biden is a professed Catholic who follows his church in his personal life, but has declared he would not impose his beliefs on other citizens. He has voted against the use of Federal money for abortion. In a Biden-Trump presidential matchup, is a third-party vote preferable?

I think this is what most Democrats are looking for in a candidate. Choice, such a simple word that has gotten smashed in this debate.

I need to do some detail checking on how this Mello abortion debate broke out and why. Seems to me if Mello had walked the same line as Biden people would be cool.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:06:18pm

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

and we need to get some of them to STFU about their purity ponies between now and then

They’re a little bothersome, but we can afford another couple months of hundred flowers blooming.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:07:40pm
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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:08:57pm

re: #201 FormerDirtDart

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Ryan was born in Kenya.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:13:16pm

amazing that someone here seems to believe he is the only Gold Star family person at LGF and can therefor be the speaker for all of them…

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KGxvi  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:14:28pm

re: #198 Timothy Watson

Hey! *shifty look while hiding his iTunes playlist*

I actually saw them live at UC Irvine some time around 2000ish. And probably have a few songs still on my iTunes play list.

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teleskiguy  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:14:30pm

Dude, Conan, that hair…

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:16:02pm

re: #151 Charles Johnson

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:16:35pm

re: #205 teleskiguy

Dude, Conan, that hair…

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Eraserhead.

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KGxvi  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:17:07pm

re: #205 teleskiguy

Dude, Conan, that hair…

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It seems to be engaged in a very aggressive retreat from his forehead.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:27:28pm

re: #205 teleskiguy

Dude, Conan, that hair…

Total Eraserhead vibe going on. He probably has the nightmare baby in a frilly crib in his dressing room.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:28:41pm

Over 50 years I’ve voted for a handful of shitheads, because their opponents were total fucking nightmares. The key to peace of mind for an active Democrat is to maintain very low expectations.

The Leftovers coming on in a few minutes.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:30:09pm

Is this Conan’s baby? It would be irresponsible not to ask.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:30:45pm

re: #210 Decatur Deb

Over 50 years I’ve voted for a handful of shitheads, because their opponents were total fucking nightmares. The key to peace of mind for an active Democrat is to maintain very low expectations.

The Leftovers coming on in a few minutes.


Into the Badlands
coming on in half an hour… probably close to the same thing…

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prairiefire  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:31:47pm

re: #202 Decatur Deb

No, Transylvania.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:34:39pm

re: #213 prairiefire

No, Transylvania.

Heh—The “other’ college in Lexington KY was Transylvania. Always made me smile to pass it, despite its honorable history.

en.wikipedia.org

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William Lewis  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:36:33pm

re: #210 Decatur Deb

Over 50 years I’ve voted for a handful of shitheads, because their opponents were total fucking nightmares. The key to peace of mind for an active Democrat is to maintain very low expectations.

The Leftovers coming on in a few minutes.

I’ve voted for a small handful of Republicans that were actually better people than the Blue Dogs they were running against. It’s not cut and dried in some parts of this nation - if both candidates are pro-forced birth, what then? Do you refuse to vote and ride your purity pony home or do you vote for the one that will do the lesser amount of damage?

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:36:38pm

Next

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:37:45pm

re: #215 William Lewis

I’ve voted for a small handful of Republicans that were actually better people than the Blue Dogs they were running against. It’s not cut and dried in some parts of this nation - if both candidates are pro-forced birth, what then? Do you refuse to vote and ride your purity pony home or do you vote for the one that will do the lesser amount of damage?

Almost voted for a Republican once—Lacey Davenport.

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Skip Intro  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:38:28pm

re: #216 FormerDirtDart

Sean finally hits the big time!

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lawhawk  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:39:44pm

OMG we’re talking about a government fucking shutdown again.

Wait. Wut?

Seriously Speaker Ryan? You’re talking a government shutdown. Someone in Congress want to explain it to these clueless nitwits that they’re the idiots who are in charge and that any shutdown is entirely on them?

The Freedom Caucus and the extremists in the GOP are pushing this crap again? Why? Because they want more tax cuts? Because Trump wants his fucking wall? Because the GOP wants to defund Planned Parenthood? Because they want to see the end of government as anyone knows it? Because they’re intent on destroying functioning government so that they can demand greater tax cuts because government isn’t working?

These corrosive and destructive asshats are intent on running government into the ground, and they have no one to blame but themselves.

Ryan wants to avoid a shutdown? Simple. Pay the fucking bills and make the appropriations at last year’s level (aka continuing resolutions). Or, pay the bills and appropriate at last year plus COLA.

But this is the GOP, and neither reasonable move makes sense. They want to slash and burn spending, and this is their one chance.

They’ll have no one to blame but themselves when government shuts down - because they cant’ get out of their own way.

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William Lewis  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:41:42pm

re: #217 Decatur Deb

Almost voted for a Republican once—Lacey Davenport.

The one I was thinking of was Scott Gunderson, R congressman from Osseo WI. He was good on ag issues, could say he was wrong and willing to be corrected and though he rode in on Reagan’s coattails was never a rubber stamp. He was also a gay man in a long term committed relationship - when he was outed the Gingrich congress forced him out. IIRC, he and his partner are still together 20 years later. FU Newt.

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BeachDem  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:41:57pm

re: #114 Dave In Austin

Things Maggie doesn’t want to hear. The Chapman thread is worth a few minutes.

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Maggie and Glenn will never admit that their coverage has been and is crap. They should go off to a desert island and write a romance novel with the yam as the hero.

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William Lewis  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:43:28pm

Going to go listen to this:

Machaut - Messe de Notre Dame (abbaye de Thoronet, Ens. G. Binchois, dir. D. Vellard).avi

It’s Sunday, so it fits and it’s just beautiful. The oldest attributed piece of music in the western canon - it was 400 years old when Haydn & Mozart were doing their mass settings…

Later all.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:44:05pm

re: #220 William Lewis

The one I was thinking of was Scott Gunderson, R congressman from Osseo WI. He was good on ag issues, could say he was wrong and willing to be corrected and though he rode in on Reagan’s coattails was never a rubber stamp. He was also a gay man in a long term committed relationship - when he was outed the Gingrich congress forced him out. IIRC, he and his partner are still together 20 years later. FU Newt.

Even if they’re good individuals, they enable a lot of structural damage in the House and Senate just through caucus and herd behavior.

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451_Montag  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:44:48pm

I think the purity pony stuff is getting a little inflated at the moment. The Bernie and Stein bots are still in the denial stage. They know what they did and are still blaming every one but themselves. Sometimes introspection takes time, and they are lashing out due to guilt. Eventually they will come round.

May not be a popular idea but I happen to think Hillary was the right candidate at the wrong time. I think people really under estimated the hate for Obama. Having a woman president after an AA president was a big ask, especially someone with so much manufactured baggage as Hillary.

That’s why the Orange taint boil won. If it had been Hillary against a wonky repug then she could have one as the conversation would have been policy. Trump simply gave the unwashed masses a voice to kick Obama. Hillary was to close too him so she was a proxy for him.

The wise choice (not the best) choice was to run a vanilla, presidential looking white male and allow the right wing an out. The imaging of Trump stalking Hillary on stage was what the mouth breathers voted for. Wouldn’t have happened with a generic “safe” male.

Not saying it is right, but that’s my feeling.

Please don’t curb-stomp stomp me.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:45:50pm

“…”Presidents hosting Supreme Court justices for dinner isn’t unusual,” wrote The Hill’s Brandon Carter. “Presidents Hayes, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Eisenhower and Carter all hosted members of the Court at the White House. More recently, President George W. Bush and his wife hosted members of the Court for a dinner in 2008.”

Announcing the dinner and postponing it in the same day, however, bespeaks the reported chaos inside the White House and the limitations of President Donald Trump’s “freewheeling” approach to administrative scheduling and appointments….”

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Skip Intro  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:49:31pm

re: #225 FormerDirtDart

Regarding that pic of Trump above. In the video he’s off to the side, realizes he’s not the center of attention, then moves dead center to photo bomb the ceremony.

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teleskiguy  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:51:35pm

Donald and Melania Trump Congratulate Army Soldier At Purple Heart Ceremony

@realDonaldTrump @POTUS

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Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:55:41pm

re: #216 FormerDirtDart

The problem is that Debbie Schlussel is a proven right wing lunatic who lies to get attention. This would need to be verified by other sources before I’d even look at it.

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Pineapple Pizza  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:58:53pm

re: #211 Charles Johnson

They aren’t even sure that it is a baby!

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lawhawk  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:58:56pm

Looks like Kris Kobach has some explaining to do…

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freetoken  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:59:09pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

And now here are two more hits on that open port (denied, of course) from Brazil and Taiwan.

Vatican City. When you get hits from VC, then you know you’re in deep do-do.

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Weaselone  Apr 23, 2017 • 6:59:17pm

re: #219 lawhawk

They’ll have no one to blame but themselves when government shuts down - because they cant’ get out of their own way.

They’ll have nobody to blame but themselves, but that won’t keep them from trying to blame Democrats, the media from accepting it as a reasonable argument and voters from buying it.

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makeitstop  Apr 23, 2017 • 7:11:19pm

re: #185 teleskiguy

Brother can you spare $50 mil?

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Damn.

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teleskiguy  Apr 23, 2017 • 7:16:21pm

Instagram

Love them early morning missions. #cantstop 📷: @amoskiaspen

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makeitstop  Apr 23, 2017 • 7:19:48pm

re: #194 KGxvi

I always thought Incubus was just a crappy band from the 90s/early aughts

Before they got famous they had to tour in the Incu-van.

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prairiefire  Apr 23, 2017 • 7:21:17pm

re: #230 lawhawk

Fantastic.

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The Dude Abides  Apr 23, 2017 • 7:23:40pm

re: #234 teleskiguy

Is the guy on the right wearing Maroon? I can hear the morning Bells chiming from here.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 23, 2017 • 7:25:21pm

re: #185 teleskiguy

Brother can you spare $50 mil?

re: #233 makeitstop

Damn.

That could be one hell of a “Bed & Breakfast”
A pricey one sure

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teleskiguy  Apr 23, 2017 • 7:28:40pm

re: #237 The Dude Abides

Is the guy on the right wearing Maroon? I can hear the morning Bells chiming from here.

Correct. The crew is walking across a frozen Crater Lake, right at the base of the Maroon Bells. I’ve been to that spot many times, though never in winter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 7:29:13pm

re: #224 451_Montag

I think the purity pony stuff is getting a little inflated at the moment. The Bernie and Stein bots are still in the denial stage. They know what they did and are still blaming every one but themselves. Sometimes introspection takes time, and they are lashing out due to guilt. Eventually they will come round.

May not be a popular idea but I happen to think Hillary was the right candidate at the wrong time. I think people really under estimated the hate for Obama. Having a woman president after an AA president was a big ask, especially someone with so much manufactured baggage as Hillary.

That’s why the Orange taint boil won. If it had been Hillary against a wonky repug then she could have one as the conversation would have been policy. Trump simply gave the unwashed masses a voice to kick Obama. Hillary was to close too him so she was a proxy for him.

The wise choice (not the best) choice was to run a vanilla, presidential looking white male and allow the right wing an out. The imaging of Trump stalking Hillary on stage was what the mouth breathers voted for. Wouldn’t have happened with a generic “safe” male.

Not saying it is right, but that’s my feeling.

Please don’t curb-stomp stomp me.

The “purity pony” thing the last couple of days came down to one person here associating abortion/reproductive rights as a purity test for those of us who raised a stink about it.

I’m willing to be curbed stomped for standing up for reproductive rights as something not available for compromise.
Just the same as any other civil rights.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 7:30:42pm

re: #225 FormerDirtDart

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LOL!
My guess is Trump announced the dinner and some of the SCOTUS justices heard that and said “oh hell no!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 7:32:19pm

I have got to say that Nick Frost is a brilliant addition to the cast for the second season of Into the Badlands.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 23, 2017 • 7:32:47pm

re: #223 Decatur Deb

Even if they’re good individuals, they enable a lot of structural damage in the House and Senate just through caucus and herd behavior.

This is the main reason I will not vote R even if through some bizarre turn of events they agreed with every one of my policy positions. (Seriously, there’s no way they could do that and not be a D right now.)

Sometimes the line can’t be crossed. Having the R after the name requires too many compromises of the values I hold for me to even consider, because of the herd behavior. That lends weight to the D - a lot - but isn’t an automatic 100% I will enthusiastically campaign for the candidate ticket, because if the person with the D is still willing to compromise away my red lines, I care.

I’m female and still young enough that this has a possibility to not be a simply hypothetical issue. We are desperately trying to keep it in the hypothetical realm but if I needed an abortion, the people involved in that decision are me and mr. klys. Period.

So those are my rights being compromised away. Forgive my red line but there it is. I am willing to take some politicians at their word because their actions have shown that even if their personal beliefs are such that they wouldn’t choose abortion, they will not act on it. That trust has been earned. Others not so much.

Take your personal hot button topic and consider what it would take for you to trust the word of a politician on it. Consider if it were your rights on the line, what compromises you would be willing to have the party offer in order to maintain control. Maybe it’s guns and the ability to own them. Maybe it’s gay marriage. Maybe it’s the ability to not-worship as you choose. What compromises are you willing to offer on something that directly impacts your life and your ability to live it out as you choose?

Everyone has a red line.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 7:36:15pm

re: #243 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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teleskiguy  Apr 23, 2017 • 7:37:34pm

The last time I went to the Maroon Bells was the last time the federal government was shut down. Gal friend and I had to ditch the car about four miles from Maroon Lake and ride bicycles the rest of the way to Crater Lake Trail. It was magnificent, no people and a few inches of fresh snow with all the aspen trees turning yellow.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 23, 2017 • 7:40:00pm

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You’re not ready for this but here it comes, so to speak.

[Embedded content]

Somebody is off their Zoloft!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 23, 2017 • 7:41:33pm

re: #243 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Also the you here is general and not directed at any one person (and absolutely not at DD).

I’m tipsy and my phone kept autocorrecting hockey to hickey earlier which led to some really interesting tweets.

But not in the way I intended.

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makeitstop  Apr 23, 2017 • 7:42:19pm

re: #238 FormerDirtDart

That could be one hell of a “Bed & Breakfast”
A pricey one sure

I saw at least three really bitchin’ rehearsal rooms. :)

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Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2017 • 7:42:44pm
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Kragar  Apr 23, 2017 • 7:43:00pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 23, 2017 • 7:44:41pm

re: #244 Backwoods_Sleuth

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 23, 2017 • 7:46:50pm
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makeitstop  Apr 23, 2017 • 7:46:53pm

This is brutal: 100 Days of Trump

April 29th, Donald Trump will have occupied the Oval Office for a hundred days. For most people, the luxury of living in a relatively stable democracy is the luxury of not following politics with a nerve-racked constancy. Trump does not afford this. His Presidency has become the demoralizing daily obsession of anyone concerned with global security, the vitality of the natural world, the national health, constitutionalism, civil rights, criminal justice, a free press, science, public education, and the distinction between fact and its opposite. The hundred-day marker is never an entirely reliable indicator of a four-year term, but it’s worth remembering that Franklin Roosevelt and Barack Obama were among those who came to office at a moment of national crisis and had the discipline, the preparation, and the rigor to set an entirely new course. Impulsive, egocentric, and mendacious, Trump has, in the same span, set fire to the integrity of his office.

Trump has never gone out of his way to conceal the essence of his relationship to the truth and how he chooses to navigate the world. In 1980, when he was about to announce plans to build Trump Tower, a fifty-eight-story edifice on Fifth Avenue and Fifty-sixth Street, he coached his architect before meeting with a group of reporters. “Give them the old Trump bullshit,” he said. “Tell them it’s going to be a million square feet, sixty-eight stories.”

This is the brand that Trump has created for himself—that of an unprincipled, cocky, value-free con who will insult, stiff, or betray anyone to achieve his gaudiest purposes. “I am what I am,” he has said. But what was once a parochial amusement is now a national and global peril. Trump flouts truth and liberal values so brazenly that he undermines the country he has been elected to serve and the stability he is pledged to insure. His bluster creates a generalized anxiety such that the President of the United States can appear to be scarcely more reliable than any of the world’s autocrats. When Kim In-ryong, a representative of North Korea’s radical regime, warns that Trump and his tweets of provocation are creating “a dangerous situation in which a thermonuclear war may break out at any moment,” does one man sound more immediately rational than the other? When Trump rushes to congratulate Recep Tayyip Erdoğan for passing a referendum that bolsters autocratic rule in Turkey—or when a sullen and insulting meeting with Angela Merkel is followed by a swoon session with Abdel Fattah El-Sisi, the military dictator of Egypt—how are the supporters of liberal and democratic values throughout Europe meant to react to American leadership?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 7:50:06pm

re: #251 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 23, 2017 • 7:51:50pm

re: #254 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2017 • 7:56:56pm
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Kragar  Apr 23, 2017 • 7:58:57pm
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FormerDirtDart  Apr 23, 2017 • 8:00:30pm
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allegro  Apr 23, 2017 • 8:04:31pm

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL!
My guess is Trump announced the dinner and some of the SCOTUS justices heard that and said “oh hell no!”

I suspect he got 5 or 6 regrets that they had to wash their hair that night.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2017 • 8:05:49pm
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Joe Bacon  Apr 23, 2017 • 8:05:52pm

re: #194 KGxvi

I always thought Incubus was just a crappy band from the 90s/early aughts

It’s also a bizarre movie made in the mid 60s starring William Shatner where everyone speaks Esperanto!

Incubus Trailer

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 8:06:12pm

re: #255 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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stpaulbear  Apr 23, 2017 • 8:16:05pm

re: #219 lawhawk

OMG we’re talking about a government fucking shutdown again.

Wait. Wut?

Seriously Speaker Ryan? You’re talking a government shutdown. Someone in Congress want to explain it to these clueless nitwits that they’re the idiots who are in charge and that any shutdown is entirely on them?

The Freedom Caucus and the extremists in the GOP are pushing this crap again? Why? Because they want more tax cuts? Because Trump wants his fucking wall? Because the GOP wants to defund Planned Parenthood? Because they want to see the end of government as anyone knows it? Because they’re intent on destroying functioning government so that they can demand greater tax cuts because government isn’t working?

These corrosive and destructive asshats are intent on running government into the ground, and they have no one to blame but themselves.

Ryan wants to avoid a shutdown? Simple. Pay the fucking bills and make the appropriations at last year’s level (aka continuing resolutions). Or, pay the bills and appropriate at last year plus COLA.

But this is the GOP, and neither reasonable move makes sense. They want to slash and burn spending, and this is their one chance.

They’ll have no one to blame but themselves when government shuts down - because they cant’ get out of their own way.

So what happens if Ryan/congress has to come up with a budget with some democratic appeal in order to get enough votes, and then Trump vetoes it because it doesn’t have everything he wants? Does congress have to come up with a budget that even more democrats like in order to override a veto and avoid a lengthy shutdown?

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teleskiguy  Apr 23, 2017 • 8:21:21pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2017 • 8:31:06pm

niterz lizardz…

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Amory Blaine  Apr 23, 2017 • 9:48:59pm

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You’re not ready for this but here it comes, so to speak.

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I don’t thank you guys enough. Thank you.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 23, 2017 • 10:08:43pm

re: #38 wrenchwench

New Mexicans are weird.

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Time to go weird-out with them. Later, lizards.

My son is obsessed with manual typewriters, though he is not in NM. (Though CO is relatively close by.) He’s in IT, but fascinated with analog stuff like typewriters and vinyl records.

I had an Olivetti portable for years, and while working on the college newspaper, I had a favorite Smith-Corona I preferred using. Took me almost a year to get used to an electric typewriter (IBM Selectric), but hardly anytime to adapt to a computer keyboard. Weird.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 24, 2017 • 5:49:33am

re: #139 FormerDirtDart

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The buck stops on somebody else!


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