The Bob Cesca Show: Jesse Watters Goes on “Vacation” (Nudge, Wink)

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Masturbation Fist Jerk: The amazing Jacki Schechner joins us for the hour; The press is fully normalizing Trump; Trump signs order to decimate the Antiquities Act and National Parks; Liberal priorities; Cenk Uygur rants about The Daily Banter for 16 minutes; The Bernie v Hillary bickering has to stop; Trumpcare 2.0 is worse then ever; Jesse Watters goes on vacation after sexist gesture about Ivanka; and more.

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Bubblehead II  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:02:42pm

Just finished listening to it. Was a good show.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:04:20pm

jesse sent off to the upstate farm where they sent BillO…

…or maybe it’s off to the Cornfield this time…

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Dave In Austin  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:06:47pm

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wrenchwench  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:10:44pm

THE SIMPSONS DO TRUMP’S 1ST 100 DAY IN OFFICE

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:14:42pm

He’s just taking a long planned vacation, you guys. It’s a complete coincidence.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:16:04pm

Gone to the Josh Duggar rehab farm?

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Bubblehead II  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:16:45pm

New Olbermann out.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:17:40pm

I’m looking forward to watching the GOP fail to pass Trumpcare in the House again. Its like watching an idiot stepping on one rake after another.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:23:42pm

re: #8 Big Beautiful Door

Kind of like this?

Sideshow Bob vs rakes

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:24:48pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:25:26pm

Regarding the Flynn dust-up. He got a security clearance in 2016 from the Obama admin. That would have been after Obama kicked him to the curb in 2014 and after his working with foreign connections.

So, did Obama national security miss it, or were they already familiar with his deception and allowed him to do the paperwork for the approval for continued security clearance? That would mean they knew he would lie on the forms, but it was not critical at the time because he had no government job.

If all that is true, that would hint to me they may have known he was going to work with Trump and they allowed Trump to take in a criminal. Info that could be used further…like now.

Am I getting too far in the weeds??? Some of this is suspect to me. I’m thinking I need more info and a complete timeline.

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whitebeach  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:27:34pm

Does anyone know if it’s true that the NYT is preparing a big Sunday edition fashion spread praising President Trump’s new clothes?

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makeitstop  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:29:54pm

re: #12 whitebeach

Does anyone know if it’s true that the NYT is preparing a big Sunday edition fashion spread praising President Trump’s new clothes?

Not a pictorial, I hope.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:30:49pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:32:02pm

Is Murphy snarking here?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:37:13pm

re: #15 gocart mozart

Is Murphy snarking here?

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my guess is pure snark

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Stanley Sea  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:38:38pm

re: #4 wrenchwench

THE SIMPSONS DO TRUMP’S 1ST 100 DAY IN OFFICE

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Fahrenthold’s painting is in there!

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gocart mozart  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:41:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:41:36pm

re: #15 gocart mozart

Is Murphy snarking here?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:42:19pm

re: #18 gocart mozart

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ummm…NK has access to random bales of marijuana?

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wrenchwench  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:42:30pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

[This New Site Aims to Make It Safer to Have an Abortion at Home]

A movement ongoing since the 70s.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:43:20pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummm…NK has access to random bales of marijuana?

It’s not illegal there iirc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:43:54pm

re: #21 wrenchwench

A movement ongoing since the 70s.

Now, internet has taken it to the next level of information access.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:43:54pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

It’s not illegal there iirc.

My guess is they’re not devoting an awful lot of farmland to it though, in light of the whole food crisis issue they’ve had for a while.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:44:34pm

re: #24 klys (maker of Silmarils)

My guess is they’re not devoting an awful lot of farmland to it though, in light of the whole food crisis issue they’ve had for a while.

Correct.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:45:57pm

re: #24 klys (maker of Silmarils)

My guess is they’re not devoting an awful lot of farmland to it though, in light of the whole food crisis issue they’ve had for a while.

And you sure as hell don’t want to get the munchies while there’s a food-shortage.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:47:14pm

re: #18 gocart mozart

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We get much freight traffic from North Korea?

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wrenchwench  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:47:25pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

Now, internet has taken it to the next level of information access.

Not to mention the drugs instead of the devices. I had such a rosie view of the future, which is now.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:49:45pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 27, 2017 • 1:54:18pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

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Charles Johnson  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:01:17pm
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Dr. Matt  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:03:54pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:04:27pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Ouch!

But on the bright side, ‘end of FNC as we know it’ sounds fucking AWESOME!!!!

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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:05:38pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Even if it happens, ‘the total end of the FNC as we know it’ isn’t going to be an improvement.

It would be replaced with something worse because there is too much money and power to be had by feeding the resentments of American deplorables.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:10:18pm

re: #32 Dr. Matt

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Charles Johnson  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:11:07pm
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Dr. Matt  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:12:25pm

Quite awesome

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gocart mozart  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:12:51pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:13:18pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Right at the end, the capybara in front cuts a fart.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:14:17pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Right at the end, the capybara in front cuts a fart.

But of course, what else are you supposed to do in a hot tub?

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gocart mozart  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:15:31pm

VROOOOOM! VROOOOM!

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:15:43pm

Yeah, somehow any entirely new executive management of Fox News under Murdoch ownership would probably simply just seek out the newest forms of prejudice-confirming awfulness presented by the youngest deplorable presenters. Meet your new Fox News: Milo, Shapiro, Chuck Johnson (the bearded weirdo stalker one), etc etc.

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Belafon  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:16:17pm

Charles, there’s something weird about this page that makes it behave different than the previous page in my browser, IE inside Invincea (at work, can’t change). On this page, I cannot click any of the buttons for updinging or replying to a comment, and the comment area isn’t resizable. I also don’t get any of the notifications that tell me there are new comments. And when I post this comment, I will be taken to the home page for the site.

I don’t have this issue in the previous thread.

I’ve seen this happen before, but today was the first time I noticed that it’s different between pages.

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allegro  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:17:43pm

re: #34 EPR-radar

Even if it happens, ‘the total end of the FNC as we know it’ isn’t going to be an improvement.

It would be replaced with something worse because there is too much money and power to be had by feeding the resentments of American deplorables.

Maybe I’m a hopeless optimist, but when we step back from our horror at 45 et al, which I know is a hard, hard thing, there are distinct signs of the rightwing collapsing in scandal, corruption, and incompetence. I’m kinda enjoying that part.

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gocart mozart  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:18:20pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:20:30pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Right at the end, the capybara in front cuts a fart.

always a satisfying conclusion to any situation.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:21:24pm

re: #43 Belafon

Not seeing any problems on this end - it sounds like something is blocking Javascript on your side (that’s what would cause all those symptoms), and it’s probably Invincea.

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gocart mozart  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:22:57pm

haha

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makeitstop  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:23:35pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Right at the end, the capybara in front cuts a fart.

Good eye! Missed it the first time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:24:41pm

re: #48 gocart mozart

haha

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o. m. g.

another snapping turtle/mouth-nose face like Krauthammer

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Citizen K  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:26:11pm
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Myron Falwell  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:27:15pm
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Dr. Matt  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:27:37pm

Lumpy is raging

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nines09  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:31:05pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Right at the end, the capybara in front cuts a fart.

With Patsy Cline in the background…..That’s like an acid trip…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:31:31pm

re: #52 Myron Falwell

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Gäbe with the umlaut is so much a fucking obvious Pepe/Nazi whistle.

Oh, and BTW…anyone else notice that when trump was giving his Holocaust speech the other day, that the way he pronounced “Nazis” rhymed with Benghazi?

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wrenchwench  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:32:04pm

re: #54 nines09

With Patsy Cline in the background…..That’s like an acid trip…..

With animals that are essentially giant guinea pigs.

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Myron Falwell  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:32:09pm
Somebody HIGH UP AND INSIDE FNC is trying to get an innocent person fired. And Gabe I KNOW WHO it is. Best Sean

This would be funny if it wasn’t for the little thing about Lumpy aiming his CCW at Juan Williams’ face a few weeks ago.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:34:11pm

re: #51 Citizen K

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Varek Raith  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:36:09pm

re: #18 gocart mozart

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North Korean nukes ain’t that small.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:36:14pm

No guns allowed tomorrow for Trump’s speech to the NRA. Commies.

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Myron Falwell  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:36:54pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

I betcha when Lumpy rage-quits Fox upon Bill Shine’s inevitable firing, he’ll try to outdo Rage Furby in the Fucking Gross White Supremacism Department.

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Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:38:09pm

re: #35 GlutenFreeJesus

How about a waterboarding quality control inspector?

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Varek Raith  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:38:13pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

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This is fine.

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nines09  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:38:28pm

re: #56 wrenchwench

With animals that are essentially giant guinea pigs.

In a hot tub. With dripping water. With snow in the background. And steam rising. With unintelligible voices, laughing…..and a fart at the end…Only thing missing would be some Japanese walking by..

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:39:01pm

re: #64 nines09

In a hot tub. With dripping water. With snow in the background. And steam rising. With unintelligible voices, laughing…..and a fart at the end…Only thing missing would be some Japanese walking by..

Oh, it’s definitely in Japan. The flags above the tub have the onsen symbol on them.

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makeitstop  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:39:18pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gäbe with the umlaut is so much a fucking obvious Pepe/Nazi whistle.

Oh, and BTW…anyone else notice that when trump was giving his Holocaust speech the other day, that the way he pronounced “Nazis” rhymed with Benghazi?

I thought it more like rhyming with ‘Fozzie,’ as in Bear.

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nines09  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:40:08pm

re: #65 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I was betting that, but even with headphones I couldn’t make out the language. Yep. Acid trip.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:41:26pm

re: #67 nines09

I was betting that, but even with headphones I couldn’t make out the language. Yep. Acid trip.

I’m not sure on the language but even if it wasn’t Japanese that’s not necessarily indicative. There’s a lot of Chinese tourists in northern Japan these days.

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Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:41:30pm

Our suck up media doing the only thing it’s good at.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:42:19pm
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wrenchwench  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:42:33pm

re: #67 nines09

I was betting that, but even with headphones I couldn’t make out the language. Yep. Acid trip.

Watch out for the brown acid, maaaan. floaty things.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:45:43pm

re: #60 GlutenFreeJesus

No guns allowed tomorrow for Trump’s speech to the NRA. Commies.

TRYANNYY!!!!!!!

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gocart mozart  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:48:34pm
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jeffreyw  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:50:02pm

Creator’s update broke my start button.

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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:52:07pm

re: #44 allegro

Maybe I’m a hopeless optimist, but when we step back from our horror at 45 et al, which I know is a hard, hard thing, there are distinct signs of the rightwing collapsing in scandal, corruption, and incompetence. I’m kinda enjoying that part.

The US Right presently has more political power than it has had at any time since the Great Depression. There is nothing to celebrate about its corruption and incompetence unless/until that leads to a massive loss of power at both the state and federal levels.

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Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:52:20pm

re: #74 jeffreyw

Classic Shell will restore it to the way god meant it to be.

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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:53:07pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

o. m. g.

another snapping turtle/mouth-nose face like Krauthammer

What it is with evil conservatives and their tendency to have pig-eyes?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:54:05pm

re: #73 gocart mozart

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Poor Lumpy. He’ll have to get a real job.

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Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:56:21pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

Poor Lumpy. He’ll have to get a real job.

Other than replacing Sean Spicer I don’t know what that could be.

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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:57:23pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

Poor Lumpy. He’ll have to get a real job.

The on-air fellatio of conservative blowhards that Lumpy does is a specialized skill. Only a RWNJ propaganda mill needs that, and there are many aspiring RWNJ propagandists who are much more intelligent than Hannity (and would cost less to employ).

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:57:34pm

re: #79 Skip Intro

Other than replacing Sean Spicer I don’t know what that could be.

I was going to say there’s a job shoveling shit somewhere but you already brought up being Trump’s Press Secretary.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:57:53pm

re: #80 EPR-radar

The on-air fellatio of conservative blowhards that Lumpy does is a specialized skill. Only a RWNJ propaganda mill needs that, and there are many aspiring RWNJ propagandists who are much more intelligent than Hannity (and would cost less to employ).

And younger too.

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piratedan  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:58:29pm

re: #79 Skip Intro

maybe he could offer to be waterboarded for money?

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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:58:33pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

I was going to say there’s a job shoveling shit somewhere but you already brought up being Trump’s Press Secretary.

Shoveling shit is a useful occupation. Being POTUS* 45’s press secretary is less useful.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:59:14pm

re: #84 EPR-radar

Shoveling shit is a useful occupation. Being POTUS* 45’s press secretary is less useful.

Damnit dude, I’m trying to be a wit.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 27, 2017 • 2:59:53pm

re: #80 EPR-radar

The on-air fellatio of conservative blowhards that Lumpy does is a specialized skill. Only a RWNJ propaganda mill needs that, and there are many aspiring RWNJ propagandists who are much more intelligent than Hannity (and would cost less to employ).

So what you are saying is that Lumpy is in freak-out mode because even he dimly realizes he might be about to get his ass kicked by the free market. (Which can do no wrong.)

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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:00:01pm

re: #83 piratedan

maybe he could offer to be waterboarded for money?

I’d gladly waterboard Hannity at a minimum wage hourly rate. It would be a public service, after all.

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jeffreyw  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:00:28pm

re: #76 Skip Intro

I’m pretty much good with win 10, I like how they are going to the incremental upgrades instead of trying to sell new versions. There is just so much hardware out there it can’t be easy to get it right, luckily they provide instant roll-back. Once you find out how to get to the settings without the start button, that is…

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:00:42pm

re: #83 piratedan

maybe he could offer to be waterboarded for money?

I’ll give him ten dollars but only if he makes it through without crying.

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gocart mozart  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:00:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:00:57pm

re: #87 EPR-radar

I’d gladly waterboard Hannity at a minimum wage hourly rate. It would be a public service, after all.

I’d do it for free.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:02:47pm

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’d do it for free.

I’ll pay for the water and board.

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Targetpractice  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:02:56pm

Faux News brought down by a complete lack of morality. Millions of liberals reported dead from schadenfreude poisoning.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:02:57pm

JFC…

the new aluminum plant next county over suddenly becomes creepy.

Presidential Memorandum for the @CommerceGov, @SecretaryRoss re: Aluminum Imports and Threats to National Security: 45.wh.gov

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Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:03:09pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

I forgot that he’s also a RWNJ radio guy.

Funny thing about that. Back when I leaned more that way I still couldn’t stand Hannity. Next to the equally horrible Mike Gallagher, he had the worst show on radio. Still does from what I can tell.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:03:37pm

re: #90 gocart mozart

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What’s more important Donald, Ivanka or Melania?//

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:05:15pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:06:03pm

re: #95 Skip Intro

I forgot that he’s also a RWNJ radio guy.

Funny thing about that. Back when I leaned more that way I still couldn’t stand Hannity. Next to the equally horrible Mike Gallagher, he had the worst show on radio. Still does from what I can tell.

Hannity is just such a blatant tool.

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Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:07:24pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

In an administration made up of ghouls, Wilbur Ross is definitely the ghouliest.

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Bubblehead II  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:08:35pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

What’s more important Donald, Ivanka or Melania?//

Given all the creepy photo’s of the two, I’ll have to go with Ivanka.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:08:58pm

Live right-wing freakshow in Berkeley:

pscp.tv

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gocart mozart  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:11:16pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:12:38pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC…

the new aluminum plant next county over suddenly becomes creepy.

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kentuckytoday.com

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bratwurst  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:15:04pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:21:17pm

re: #104 bratwurst

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:22:36pm

I really don’t understand the first 100 days bullshit. I mean I get 100 is a nice round number to work with but it’s such a small part of a 4 or 8 year Presidency.

Hell Obama didn’t start doing his best stuff until a few years in.

100 days just seems like a lame pointless milestone to me.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:23:49pm

Oh and this 400k Obama thing? I’d like to see Trump command a rate like that once he leaves office.

I’d say for all the shit he put up with in office Obama has more than earned that money.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:24:24pm

re: #106 Eclectic Cyborg

I really don’t understand the first 100 days bullshit. I mean I get 100 is a nice round number to work with but it’s such a small part of a 4 or 8 year Presidency.

Hell Obama didn’t start doing his best stuff until a few years in.

100 days just seems like a lame pointless milestone to me.

That is just what the yam wants us all to believe.

Because every other previous recent Presidents have had much more productive first 100 days, so….SQUIRREL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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gocart mozart  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:33:35pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:39:46pm
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caseyjr  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:42:33pm

re: #109 gocart mozart

well, if you’re gonna hire sex predators, it follows you will also be OK with committing fraud to cover up their predations.

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:46:52pm

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’d do it for free.

Get to the back of the line!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:47:40pm

re: #113 ObserverArt

Get to the back of the line!

sorry, I said it first…

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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:51:21pm

re: #107 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh and this 400k Obama thing? I’d like to see Trump command a rate like that once he leaves office.

I’d say for all the shit he put up with in office Obama has more than earned that money.

$400K from a speech at an entity regarded as Satanic by much of the (D) base. I’m not going to get all hot and bothered by this, but it really does look bad.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:53:08pm

re: #115 EPR-radar

$400K from a speech at an entity regarded as Satanic by much of the (D) base. I’m not going to get all hot and bothered by this, but it really does look bad.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:53:12pm

re: #107 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh and this 400k Obama thing? I’d like to see Trump command a rate like that once he leaves office.

I’d say for all the shit he put up with in office Obama has more than earned that money.

I hope President Obama makes millions now that he’s out of office. I see no reason why it’s an issue for someone who won’t be running for office ever again. Plus, this is the norm for former Presidents.

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BeachDem  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:54:14pm

re: #73 gocart mozart

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Just for Lumpy.

R.E.M. - It’s The End Of The World

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:54:16pm

re: #115 EPR-radar

Looks bad to whom? Not to me and I’m part of that Democratic base.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:56:22pm

re: #119 Patricia Kayden

Looks bad to whom? Not to me and I’m part of that Democratic base.

We don’t count. We’re women.

(You get extra bonus don’t-count points if you’re a minority, because everyone knows that the only base that matters is apparently the “white” base. Sigh.)

I might be feeling a little grumpy about this whole thing at the moment.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:56:50pm

re: #119 Patricia Kayden

Looks bad to whom? Not to me and I’m part of that Democratic base.

Me, too. I hope he makes ALL the money and gives all his asshole, pinch-hearted haters ulcers AND conniptions.

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:57:45pm

re: #97 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Wow. That story is gripping. Strong people making really tough decisions.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:57:51pm

re: #119 Patricia Kayden

Looks bad to whom? Not to me and I’m part of that Democratic base.

I’d really like for someone to tell me why, and in what fashion, it ‘looks bad’.

I mean, he’s not IN office. He’s not RUNNING FOR office. He’ll likely never run for office again. He has already done whatever it was he was going to do as President.

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Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:58:01pm

re: #115 EPR-radar

$400K from a speech at an entity regarded as Satanic by much of the (D) base. I’m not going to get all hot and bothered by this, but it really does look bad.

I’m willing to bet that the Trump family has already made many times that illegally just by influence peddling alone.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 3:58:27pm

re: #122 ObserverArt

Wow. That story is gripping. Strong people making really tough decisions.

I’d seen the letter he wrote to his wife after they made the initial decision. I can’t even imagine.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:01:16pm

re: #123 Blind Frog Belly White

I’d really like for someone to tell me why, and in what fashion, it ‘looks bad’.

I mean, he’s not IN office. He’s not RUNNING FOR office. He’ll likely never run for office again. He has already done whatever it was he was going to do as President.

He’s a black man who isn’t holding himself to this moral standard that was made up just for him by a bunch of white people. (And yes, I know it’s not ALL white people complaining about this, or solely white people, but the loudest voices have been.) I think there’s also some resentment that has built up by people who are mad that he failed to somehow save us from ourselves and there’s probably some transference of guilt where they can go BUT IF THE CANDIDATE WAS PURER WE WOULDN’T HAVE LOST and pretend they’re free from any and all blame.

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jeffreyw  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:02:27pm

Imgur
Doin’ the Chunky Chicken

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:02:57pm

re: #124 Skip Intro

I’m willing to bet that the Trump family has already made many times that illegally just by influence peddling alone.

That is a fraction of the cost of every damned golfing day.

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plansbandc  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:03:17pm

The haters will bitch no matter what he does. That doesn’t surprise me. What’s infuriating are the damn Dems criticizing him. They need to STFU.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:03:21pm

AP: Federal Agents raided Tele-evangelist Benny Hinn Ministries

IRS, postal inspectors raid Benny Hinn Ministries

Federal agents descended on the North Texas headquarters of television evangelist Benny Hinn and shuttled in and out of the offices with boxes

GRAPEVINE, Texas — Federal agents descended on the North Texas headquarters of television evangelist Benny Hinn and took boxes out of the offices.

The search began about 9 a.m. Wednesday at Hinn’s headquarters in the Dallas-Fort Worth suburb of Grapevine, near Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport. According to Hinn’s website, he was in Paris.

Lisa Slimak, spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney’s office in Dallas, said she was unable to confirm or deny the existence of an investigation. A message sent to Bennie Hinn Ministries went unanswered.

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gocart mozart  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:08:07pm
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caseyjr  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:08:38pm

re: #130 Eric The Fruit Bat

I wonder how many Nehru jackets were seized in the raid.

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Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:11:35pm

re: #129 plansbandc

The haters will bitch no matter what he does. That doesn’t surprise me. What’s infuriating are the damn Dems criticizing him. They need to STFU.

This is why the Dems keep losing elections. They should be a solid front against the complete lack of competence and ethical violations of Trump, but attacking an out of office Dem just makes them feel so pure, I guess.

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MsJ  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:12:03pm

re: #131 gocart mozart

See Coulter, Cupp, Ingraham, etc., etc., etc.

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Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:13:19pm

re: #130 Eric The Fruit Bat

Benny’s working for the Le Pen campaign?

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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:14:32pm

re: #123 Blind Frog Belly White

I’d really like for someone to tell me why, and in what fashion, it ‘looks bad’.

I mean, he’s not IN office. He’s not RUNNING FOR office. He’ll likely never run for office again. He has already done whatever it was he was going to do as President.

That’s pretty easy. A mild version of the story runs like this:

Obama gets in office in 2008 and is confronted with the reality that the US is a plutocracy and that actually doing something about the big banks is difficult/impossible. So nothing much is done, relatively weak reforms are passed through Congress, and Obama will personally do well out of the whole affair, both in prior Wall Street campaign donations and likely future rewards on the speaking circuit.

The more lurid and ridiculous versions of this story paint Obama as a mustache-twirling villain indistinguishable from a Republican.

Whether or not one believes in any version of this story, the underlying issue of opposing US plutocracy is real, and one of the weaknesses of the Democratic party is the lack of a decent answer to this problem.

Personally I don’t think Obama is a sell-out on the banks issue, but the lack of hearings, investigations and prosecutions vs. the banks makes this more of an act of faith than it should be.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:15:55pm

re: #133 Skip Intro

This is why the Dems keep losing elections. They should be a solid front against the complete lack of competence and ethical violations of Trump, but attacking an out of office Dem just makes them feel so pure, I guess.

Repost from BeachDem two threads back:

And here it is—why Bernie makes me want to chew glass:

And, despite going on a so-called “unity tour” with new DNC Chair Tom Perez last week, in the Showtime interview Sanders was more eager to discuss what he sees as a need to overthrow the party establishment than his hypothetical prospects of defeating Trump.

rawstory.com

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Citizen K  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:17:38pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:18:02pm

re: #131 gocart mozart

Coulter looks like a skanky crack whore.

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bratwurst  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:19:10pm

While I have somewhat mixed feelings about Obama taking a massive speaking fee, the idea that his refraining from doing so would somehow change the political culture is laughable.

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gocart mozart  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:20:04pm

re: #134 MsJ

read the mockery at LG&M.

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Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:20:15pm

re: #134 MsJ

Here’s another beaut.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:20:48pm

Maybe the optics that should matter is why, once again, the supposed “progressive” far-left is throwing a hissy fit over what the first black President is receiving for speaking fees - something that has happened for every ex-President. Especially when they’re silent as churchmice on “big money” donations to far-left groups (*cough a couple million from the GOP to The Young Turks cough*) or the personal wealth of their savior (*cough three houses cough*) and have a long standing issue of being a predominantly white group that seems to think economic cures will fix everything.

We see this again. And again. And again. And again. It’s like clockwork. And for what? Nothing is pure enough for them. And yet they pretend they’re the base that matters when statistically women and minorities - and specifically minority women - are the base that shows up for the Democrats when the election rolls around.

Fuck. That. Shit.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:22:11pm

re: #142 Skip Intro

Here’s another beaut.

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Brazilian revolver (Taurus Judge) and Cthulu only knows where those freaky clothes come from.

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Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:25:06pm

re: #145 Shiplord Kirel

Brazilian revolver (Taurus Judge) and Cthulu only knows where those freaky clothes come from.

The Ivanka Trump Patriots Collection, exclusively available at a T.J Max near you.

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makeitstop  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:25:32pm

re: #142 Skip Intro

Here’s another beaut.

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That woman should be in prison.

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MsJ  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:26:05pm

re: #141 gocart mozart

read the mockery at LG&M.

What’s that?

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gocart mozart  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:27:03pm
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Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:28:25pm

re: #147 makeitstop

That woman should be in prison.

She certainly should. At least she’s not in Congress.

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Jay C  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:29:33pm

re: #148 MsJ

What’s that?

Lawyers, Guns & Money.

A useful addition to anyone’s blogroll.

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gocart mozart  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:31:21pm

re: #141 gocart mozart

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:33:04pm

re: #126 klys (maker of Silmarils)

He’s a black man who isn’t holding himself to this moral standard that was made up just for him by a bunch of white people. (And yes, I know it’s not ALL white people complaining about this, or solely white people, but the loudest voices have been.) I think there’s also some resentment that has built up by people who are mad that he failed to somehow save us from ourselves and there’s probably some transference of guilt where they can go BUT IF THE CANDIDATE WAS PURER WE WOULDN’T HAVE LOST and pretend they’re free from any and all blame.

Quick Google search for “celebrity speech fees” returned this right at the top of the page.

Donald Trump, $1-1.5 million: …
Ronald Reagan, $1 million: …
Tony Blair, $616,000: …
Bill Clinton, $150,000- $450,000: …
Rudy Guilani, $270,000: …
Alan Greenspan, $250,000: …
Lance Armstrong, $100,000 and up: …
Al Gore, $100,000-150,000:

I didn’t even get to looking what other ‘celebs’ can get but I’m betting $400,000 is not out of the norm.

The other thing to consider, what will Obama do with the money he makes. That could be key. So, I’m not going to get upset now.

Edit to add. $1 Mil for Reagan. How long ago was that?

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bratwurst  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:33:05pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:34:58pm

feel good story of the day comes from Cincinnati:

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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:35:53pm

re: #143 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Maybe the optics that should matter is why, once again, the supposed “progressive” far-left is throwing a hissy fit over what the first black President is receiving for speaking fees - something that has happened for every ex-President. Especially when they’re silent as churchmice on “big money” donations to far-left groups (*cough a couple million from the GOP to The Young Turks cough*) or the personal wealth of their savior (*cough three houses cough*) and have a long standing issue of being a predominantly white group that seems to think economic cures will fix everything.

We see this again. And again. And again. And again. It’s like clockwork. And for what? Nothing is pure enough for them. And yet they pretend they’re the base that matters when statistically women and minorities - and specifically minority women - are the base that shows up for the Democrats when the election rolls around.

Fuck. That. Shit.

I agree that the idea that economic cures will fix everything is garbage.

However, the fact remains that the political structure of the US is that of a plutocracy rapidly consolidating its power. Economically, globalization and automation proceed apace, and just about everyone who has to work for a living is getting squeezed by that with no end in sight.

What’s the Democratic party plan for dealing with plutocracy, globalization and automation? IMO there needs to be at least one big bold proposal (e.g., living wage) to get people’s interest — small tweaks to the current system can rightly be dismissed as inadequate on their face.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:36:17pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

This one is my favorite of those I’ve seen thus far.

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:40:42pm

Heh. Paris Hilton - $110,000.00 speaker fee.

Obama is cheap!

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:41:23pm

re: #131 gocart mozart

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The Strawman (or maybe I should say Strawwoman) fallacy! Yes let’s make a bunch of shit up and say THIS IS WHATS LIBRUL WIMMENZ THINK!!!

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Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:41:56pm

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:42:32pm

re: #156 EPR-radar

I agree that the idea that economic cures will fix everything is garbage.

However, the fact remains that the political structure of the US is that of a plutocracy rapidly consolidating its power. Economically, globalization and automation proceed apace, and just about everyone who has to work for a living is getting squeezed by that with no end in sight.

What’s the Democratic party plan for dealing with plutocracy, globalization and automation? IMO there needs to be at least one big bold proposal (e.g., living wage) to get people’s interest — small tweaks to the current system can rightly be dismissed as inadequate on their face.

Are your concerns only with politicians?

Seems there are others that can bring some big fees too that are not politicians.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:45:23pm

re: #153 ObserverArt

At this point I’m far more upset about what the GOP is doing, but by all means, let’s harp about how it’s bad optics for Obama to accept money. A lot of liberal and progressive commentators (and I’m not necessarily talking about here at LGF) seem to think that’s an excellent use of their time.

In the meantime, I have some letters to write to my reps about the “tax plan” that’s been proposed.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:46:53pm

re: #162 klys (maker of Silmarils)

And yes, yes, I know, we’re supposed to be able to multi-task multiple outrages at the same time and we should set higher standards for our politicians, blah blah blah, I have enough fucking outrages with the GOP that I’m already mutlitasking to capacity.

And I have a really short temper today so I should go stab things with a needle or something.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:48:59pm
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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:51:14pm

re: #161 ObserverArt

Are your concerns only with politicians?

Seems there are others that can bring some big fees too that are not politicians.

My beef is not with the big dollar amount by itself. Its that this payment is coming from the banking sector which successfully evaded their collective responsibility for the 2008 crash and great recession.

I don’t like having my faith that Obama is not a sellout to the big banks tested so directly.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:57:35pm

Jane Sanders appears to be under FBI investigation for her role in the financial fraud at the root of the failure of Burlington College.

Jane Sanders, wife of Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., overstated donation amounts in a bank application for a $6.7 million loan the college used to purchase a prime 33-acre property on Lake Champlain in 2010.

She told People’s United Bank in 2010 that the college had $2.6 million in pledged donations to support the purchase of the former Roman Catholic Diocese of Burlington property.

The college, however, received only $676,000 in actual donations from 2010 through 2014, according to figures provided by Burlington College.

Two people whose pledges are listed as confirmed in the loan agreement told VTDigger that their personal financial records show their pledges were overstated. Neither was aware the pledges were used to secure the loan.

Jane Sanders did not respond to a request for comment Thursday asking whether she was subpoenaed or otherwise contacted by the FBI or the U.S. attorney in relation to her time as president of the college.

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retired cynic  Apr 27, 2017 • 4:58:42pm

re: #166 goddamnedfrank

Now THERE is someone I’d like to see dragged through 200 people with cameras.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:00:57pm

re: #136 EPR-radar

That’s pretty easy. A mild version of the story runs like this:

Obama gets in office in 2008 and is confronted with the reality that the US is a plutocracy and that actually doing something about the big banks is difficult/impossible. So nothing much is done, relatively weak reforms are passed through Congress, and Obama will personally do well out of the whole affair, both in prior Wall Street campaign donations and likely future rewards on the speaking circuit.

The more lurid and ridiculous versions of this story paint Obama as a mustache-twirling villain indistinguishable from a Republican.

Whether or not one believes in any version of this story, the underlying issue of opposing US plutocracy is real, and one of the weaknesses of the Democratic party is the lack of a decent answer to this problem.

Personally I don’t think Obama is a sell-out on the banks issue, but the lack of hearings, investigations and prosecutions vs. the banks makes this more of an act of faith than it should be.

As Nero Wolfe would say, “Pfui.”

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MsJ  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:02:49pm

re: #151 Jay C

Lawyers, Guns & Money.

A useful addition to anyone’s blogroll.

That was great. Thanks!

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:04:25pm

re: #165 EPR-radar

Beyond taking their money for a speech, how is President Obama a “sell out” to the banks?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:07:47pm

Meanwhile, in important news for today:

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Weaselone  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:08:02pm

re: #165 EPR-radar

My beef is not with the big dollar amount by itself. Its that this payment is coming from the banking sector which successfully evaded their collective responsibility for the 2008 crash and great recession.

I don’t like having my faith that Obama is not a sellout to the big banks tested so directly.

I have a few quibbles here.

1. The banking sector doesn’t bare sole responsibility for the crash
2. Not all institutions included in the banking sector were equally culpable for the crash
3. I guarantee you that Obama is going to accept a lot of money in speaking fees from the banking industry and that said industry is also going to be a big contributor to his presidential library, his charitable efforts and his efforts to combat voter disenfranchisement.

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retired cynic  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:08:19pm

Something that I have feared the last couple of days is true. Charlie Pierce has been taken ill. Esquire says he will be back, but I am concerned. We need his voice. We need all such voices.

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retired cynic  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:10:43pm

re: #171 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Meanwhile, in important news for today:

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I called my Rep, who is NOT on that list, but I gave his receptionist a piece of my mind. Pleasantly.

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BeachDem  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:12:08pm

re: #143 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Maybe the optics that should matter is why, once again, the supposed “progressive” far-left is throwing a hissy fit over what the first black President is receiving for speaking fees - something that has happened for every ex-President. Especially when they’re silent as churchmice on “big money” donations to far-left groups (*cough a couple million from the GOP to The Young Turks cough*) or the personal wealth of their savior (*cough three houses cough*) and have a long standing issue of being a predominantly white group that seems to think economic cures will fix everything.

We see this again. And again. And again. And again. It’s like clockwork. And for what? Nothing is pure enough for them. And yet they pretend they’re the base that matters when statistically women and minorities - and specifically minority women - are the base that shows up for the Democrats when the election rolls around.

Fuck. That. Shit.

I have nothing to add—just wanted to read it again!

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BeachDem  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:14:29pm

re: #149 gocart mozart

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They’re cousins—identical cousins…

Boorish/Boris
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:20:12pm

Here’s the thing about the financial crash - Nobody’s hands are clean.

- Homebuyers took on loans they could not reasonably expect to pay back.
- Homeowners used the equity in their houses to borrow money for all sorts of shit.
- Mortgage brokers wrote loans to people who couldn’t pay them.
- Investment banks bought those loans and asked for more, providing a market for shit.
- They waved mathematical magic wands they didn’t understand over them to divide shit into gold, silver, and bronze, and then sold them to investors.
- Rating agencies, unable to understand what they were rating, accepted the banks’ word
- Investors, including pension funds, bought bonds they should have known were shit, and clamored for more.
- Everyone thought they were covered because they’d bought Credit Default Swaps as insurance.
- Government, on a bipartisan basis, did nothing, and luminaries like Alan Greenspan told them a nationwide housing bubble was impossible.

Everyone operated under the assumption that ‘They wouldn’t let you do it if it was dangerous’, only there WAS NO ‘THEY’ to stop them. So, sure, blame the evil bankers, but just remember how far that blame goes.

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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:32:47pm

re: #177 Blind Frog Belly White

Here’s the thing about the financial crash - Nobody’s hands are clean.

- Homebuyers took on loans they could not reasonably expect to pay back.
- Homeowners used the equity in their houses to borrow money for all sorts of shit.
- Mortgage brokers wrote loans to people who couldn’t pay them.
- Investment banks bought those loans and asked for more, providing a market for shit.
- They waved mathematical magic wands they didn’t understand over them to divide shit into gold, silver, and bronze, and then sold them to investors.
- Rating agencies, unable to understand what they were rating, accepted the banks’ word
- Investors, including pension funds, bought bonds they should have known were shit, and clamored for more.
- Everyone thought they were covered because they’d bought Credit Default Swaps as insurance.
- Government, on a bipartisan basis, did nothing, and luminaries like Alan Greenspan told them a nationwide housing bubble was impossible.

Everyone operated under the assumption that ‘They wouldn’t let you do it if it was dangerous’, only there WAS NO ‘THEY’ to stop them. So, sure, blame the evil bankers, but just remember how far that blame goes.

All very true. But it is also fair to note that the massive personal fortunes made by inflating the bubble prior to the crash were made almost entirely by some of the evil bankers.

No real attempt was made to account for that, and that is how we know who really rules the US.

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Interesting Times  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:34:10pm

re: #170 Patricia Kayden

Beyond taking their money for a speech, how is President Obama a “sell out” to the banks?

Well, there’s this, much trumpeted by the BoBers:

The Most Important WikiLeaks Revelation Isn’t About Hillary Clinton

Michael Froman, who is now U.S. trade representative but at the time was an executive at Citigroup, wrote an email to Podesta on October 6, 2008, with the subject “Lists.” Froman used a Citigroup email address. He attached three documents: a list of women for top administration jobs, a list of non-white candidates, and a sample outline of 31 cabinet-level positions and who would fill them. “The lists will continue to grow,” Froman wrote to Podesta, “but these are the names to date that seem to be coming up as recommended by various sources for senior level jobs.”

This, of course, was naturally spun into “Citigroup chose Obama’s cabinet and all his policies!”

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BeachDem  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:36:42pm

re: #158 ObserverArt

Heh. Paris Hilton - $110,000.00 speaker fee.

Obama is cheap!

That can’t be right—Morning Joke called Obama’s fee MASSIVE:

Obama set to receive massive paycheck from Cantor Fitzgerald

msnbc.com

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TedStriker  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:39:17pm

re: #124 Skip Intro

I’m willing to bet that the Trump family has already made many times that illegally just by influence peddling alone.

Hair Furor and his kids are going to make Harding and his Ohio Gang look like pikers.

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TedStriker  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:40:16pm

re: #130 Eric The Fruit Bat

AP: Federal Agents raided Tele-evangelist Benny Hinn Ministries

Decades overdue, IMO.

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:41:12pm

re: #180 BeachDem

That can’t be right—Morning Joke called Obama’s fee MASSIVE:

Obama set to receive massive paycheck from Cantor Fitzgerald

msnbc.com

I don’t think Joke Scarborough hates any politician like he hates Obama. You can even hear it in his voice when he says his name. Most likely caused by professional jealousy with a tinge of bigotry. Probably along the lines of: ‘How did this guy get to be president when I was a GOP golden boy?’

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Shazam  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:42:05pm

re: #18 gocart mozart

That sounds like fucked up Monty Python sketch.

Shady Man is stopped by Dumb Customs Officer.
Officer: Awright, what’s all this then?
Man: Oh that? That’s just my bale of marijuana. Nothing to see here.
Officer: Oh, awright, then. Hey waitaminute. There seems to be something in there.
Man: Oh, that there’s just my mountain of cocaine. Totally legit.
Officer: Ah, I see. Hey waitanotherminute. There’s something else. You don’t happen to be trying to sneak a nucular weapon in, eh?
Man: Oh, that? That’s just my cage of child sex slaves.
Officer: Uh, alright then. Everything seems to be in order. Move along.
*Nuclear explosion*

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lawhawk  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:42:18pm

Obama’s getting paid for speeches?

Where’s my fainting couch.

He could take in $400,000 a speech? Alrighty then. Sounds like a pretty good gig. That’s capitalism and all that. Good for him.

That’d also be in the top tax rate and unless he donates the money to charitable causes, it’ll get taxed at the top tax rate, which is… 39.6%.

Now compare that with Trump and his tax plan. Trump’s pushing to cut his taxes by more than half - his tax plan specifically would reduce his passthrough income by more than half; eliminate the AMT, and the estate tax.

So, which one do you think people should get upset about.

Yeah, me neither.

Oh, a few folks are complaining Obama that he shouldn’t speak to banks or certain groups, but again what is he doing with the money is his own business.

We don’t hear much of GWB and the speeches he gives. And he gives plenty of speeches and makes quite a bit of coin in the process. Yeah, we’re on Obama double standard time again.

People seriously need to recalibrate their outrage for where it actually matters, and on what matters.

Obama giving speeches isn’t it. That’s not in the ballpark. That’s not even in the same fucking universe (yeah, there’s that cursing thing). Trump. That’s the entire game.

Eyes on the prize. Eyes on the prize.

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BeachDem  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:46:36pm

re: #180 BeachDem

That can’t be right—Morning Joke called Obama’s fee MASSIVE:

Obama set to receive massive paycheck from Cantor Fitzgerald

msnbc.com

The WaPo call it “lucrative”
The Hill says he’s “netting” $400,000
Investors dot com says he’s turned out to be a greedy one percenter
Vox says it will undermine everything
The Blaze calls it EYE-POPPING

Yes, they’re all in a frenzy. Only Ebony seems to get it:

Barack Obama Getting Paid $400,000 for a Speech, So What?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:51:37pm

re: #177 Blind Frog Belly White

To also be fair, you can also blame Phil Gramm and Bill Clinton for the following atocities:

Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act
Commodities Futures Modernization Act
Repeal of Glass-Steagall

The above three broke the very firewalls meant to protect the casino side of finance from the rock of Gilbraltar side of finance and amplified the crises that much worse. Combined with ignoring the warnings of Sheila Bair, the stage was set.

And when you throw in Shrub’s Iraq war folly, which took away resources from dealing with financial crimes and focusing them on terrorism. well, what the fuck could you expect-all sweetness and light?

Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer on Whistleblowers and Prosecuting Bankers for Fraud (Satire)

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:53:13pm

re: #185 lawhawk

Yep. It’s capitalism and last time I checked, it was legal. But I guess the purists will huff and puff and threaten to vote for Stein in 2020 because of this.

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lawhawk  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:54:04pm

re: #188 Patricia Kayden

Yep. It’s capitalism and last time I checked, it was legal. But I guess the purists will huff and puff and threaten to vote for Stein in 2020 because of this.

Russia and Putin Puppet Jill Stein.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:55:03pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:56:11pm

The “smuggle WMDs with marijuana bales” is an old, tired canard.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:56:37pm
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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:56:41pm

re: #188 Patricia Kayden

Yep. It’s capitalism and last time I checked, it was legal. But I guess the purists will huff and puff and threaten to vote for Stein in 2020 because of this.

Well, it looks like Stein and Sanders have completely poisoned the well on this issue. Paid agents of Citigroup in their position could not possibly have caused more damage to their supposed cause.

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retired cynic  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:57:10pm

Ha!

juanitajean.com

“Even President William Henry Harrison had a better first 100 days, and he was dead for 69 of them.”

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:57:57pm

re: #173 retired cynic

Something that I have feared the last couple of days is true. Charlie Pierce has been taken ill. Esquire says he will be back, but I am concerned. We need his voice. We need all such voices.

Sending positive thoughts Pierce’s way. He’s hilarious and yet very informative at the same time. Love listening to him on Stephanie Miller’s show.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:57:58pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:58:12pm

re: #189 lawhawk

Jill Stein.

Jesse Ventura should hang his head in shame for voting for her.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 27, 2017 • 5:58:41pm
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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:00:13pm

re: #185 lawhawk

Eyes on the prize. Eyes on the prize.

Part of ‘eyes on the prize’ is a reasonable level of Democratic party unity. That’s going to be very difficult to do if two warring camps in the party stake out completely incompatible positions.

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teleskiguy  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:00:54pm

Called my congresscritter Scott Tipton’s office in Washington, D.C. today and talked to an actual human being! A female assistant took my call. Told them I was a registered voter in his district, the town I live in, and urged him to vote NO on the upcoming (?) vote on AHCA 2.0 because it’ll remove the preexisting conditions stipulation with insurance companies.

“I will pass this along, thank’s for calling.” We’ll see.

Took all of two minutes.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:02:14pm

re: #149 gocart mozart

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:02:30pm

re: #198 Charles Johnson

Well, that’s reassuring. Mind you, Trump says nonsense and then retracts it a few days later so perhaps this is just another example of his constant bluffing. Yet another example of his lack of presidential demeanor.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:02:53pm

re: #199 EPR-radar

Part of ‘eyes on the prize’ is a reasonable level of Democratic party unity. That’s going to be very difficult to do if two warring camps in the party stake out completely incompatible positions.

On one side there is the group that thinks it is a major issue that a former President who is not running for office again took payment for a speech, as is customary, above and beyond all the bullshit that’s actually happening in this country right now with the current President. Then on the other side are the folks trying to limit the actual damage that’s happening right now.

Things like Trumpcare might be voted on tomorrow but I’ve seen more about this bullshit issue from liberal pundits than I have about that mess.

I know which side of the party I fall on.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:04:10pm

I mean. For fuck’s sake. If the Obama issue is more important than Trumpcare potentially passing and stripping millions of their health insurance, it says an awful lot about how progressive that side is, doesn’t it?

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:04:21pm

re: #199 EPR-radar

Part of ‘eyes on the prize’ is a reasonable level of Democratic party unity. That’s going to be very difficult to do if two warring camps in the party stake out completely incompatible positions.

So we’re stuck with “Democrats” who hate Democratic politicians more than Republican bigots? Good to know. This is why we can’t have nice things.

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Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:05:02pm

Trump really could shoot someone tonight and all the Dems would want to talk about is how much Obama got paid to give a speech. Sometimes I think this party is terminal.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:08:34pm

re: #206 Skip Intro

Trump really could shoot someone tonight and all the Dems would want to talk about is how much Obama got paid to give a speech. Sometimes I think this party is terminal.

It’s infuriating!

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Interesting Times  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:08:36pm

Here’s the thing (and bear with me, please, as it might be kind of rambly…)

One of the things that disturbed me most about the 2016 election results was the overwhelming feeling that I should have seen it coming but didn’t. Granted, hindsight 20/20 and all that, but nonetheless, there were plenty of signs that perhaps we all either played down or denied altogether (by “we” I mean most of those hoping for a Clinton win and thinking no way would enough Americans be dumb/racist/awful enough to vote trump)

Many people say (and some of them, especially both-siderists, add a hefty dose of condescending smugness to the argument) that you have to listen to people you disagree with to avoid getting caught in your own echo-chamber (hence the ad nauseam parade of trump-supporter puff pieces).

That’s true to a point - I have no need to “listen” to reactionary wingnuts, GOPers, and the hardcore deplorables because I’m already familiar with the lies, gaslighting, and outright denial of reality. There’s nothing new to learn and no hope whatsoever of changing their minds.

However, the Bernie-or-Bust crowd is a different story. I started reading a lot of material from them post November, mainly as a result…

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So what’s my point? Again, there’s no hope of changing the deplorable/GOP base, so don’t even try. But the BoBers are in a much better position to:

a) depress morale among those likely to vote Dem
b) perpetuate “they’re all bad so why bother” voter apathy
c) come up with some arguments that, unlike those of GOPers, actually are based in reality

This is why I feel it’s important to be aware of what they’re saying and figure out how to address the concerns that are legitimate and refute the ones that aren’t.

That said, here’s a piece I read today that I know you’re all going to hate, but like I said above, it’s important to be aware of this mindset because failure to properly address it could jeopardize any chance of a Democratic comeback (you know how Charles always pushes back against extremists in the face of “you should ignore them and not give them attention” protests? It’s like that.)

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:09:00pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

After reading the story klys posted about Eva Grace and now this, I’m a freaking basket case. There is still so much good in the world, and I’ve never needed stories like this more than now.

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bratwurst  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:16:11pm

re: #208 Interesting Times

That said, here’s a piece I read today that I know you’re all going to hate

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:18:43pm

re: #208 Interesting Times

So how do you address that mindset while producing a candidate that is acceptable to the majority of American voters, some of whom are not the loony left?

How do you deal with someone who looks at a nuanced, real human being, that does a lot of good (not all, but a lot!) and dismisses them as a corporate shill? The world is not fucking black and white. REALITY IS NOT FUCKING BLACK AND WHITE. But people like that are completely unwilling to compromise and instead look down from their high horses like they’ve magically held on to some mystical superior moral ground because they didn’t sully their hands with voting for someone less principled than them.

There is no magical pure candidate who is going to win these people, and as we’ve seen over the past several weeks (view the fallout over the whole Unity tour bit), catering to those who are setting the purity bar higher than is remotely possible does a lot to piss off the base that actually shows up to vote.

And that’s even before we get into the giant racial blind spot that these people have.

It’s like being lectured again about how we have to understand the poor Trump voters, except these are the folks who were too pure to vote for Hillary so instead we got Trump.

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gocart mozart  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:19:12pm
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jaunte  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:22:26pm

re: #212 gocart mozart

That’s Nutritional Supplement Sales Jesus!

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:24:19pm

re: #210 bratwurst

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Everyone has a pulpit on the ‘net anymore.

Anyone have any idea as to what “Medium Corporation is? I like to know the background and experience of some of these people.

By the way, I don’t know if anyone is untouched by the real world enough to qualify for Caitlin Johnstone. Well, except for…

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:25:12pm

Anyway, off of the horrid politics, there is a lot of good TV on now. Sunday Into the Badlands Monday Better Call Saul Tuesday Genius and The Americans Wednesday Fargo and The Handmaid’s Tale. And American Gods is starting on Sunday. Oh blessed TV, taking me away from thinking about Trump an hour at a time.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:26:08pm

re: #214 ObserverArt

Everyone has a pulpit on the ‘net anymore.

Anyone have any idea as to what “Medium Corporation is? I like to know the background and experience of some of these people.

By the way, I don’t know if anyone is untouched by the real world enough to qualify for Caitlin Johnstone. Well, except for…

My understanding about Medium is that it’s a spot where anyone can write an article and have people read/recommend it.

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Bubblehead II  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:26:14pm

Night Lizards. Type at you in the A.M.

As always, May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you and yours.

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Mattand  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:28:29pm

re: #211 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Granted, I’m coming in late here, but are people getting their underwear in a twist that Obama is getting paid speaking fees, or getting paid by the “wrong” sources?

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majii  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:28:47pm

re: #93 Targetpractice

“Faux News brought down by a complete lack of morality. Millions of liberals reported dead from schadenfreude poisoning.”

I don’t think we’ll die from schadenfreude poisoning, but we might get sick by pointing at, and hilariously laughing at, those who worship at Fox’s altar for their gullibility in thinking the network “speaks” for them. You know, those who are always claiming to be “holier than thou.” If Fox axes Shine, Hannity, Watters, and the other blowhards, it will be a yuuuge blow to their most dedicated viewers. Forget that we’ve been trying to tell them that the network is full of BS for years. They bought the BS and might now end up with feces covering their entire bodies. As far as I’m concerned, they brought this on themselves because they’re too lazy to research any issue/matter. Sometimes there’s a penalty to be paid for being too lazy to the point where you “rent” your brain out to dishonest, unethical, self-interested characters who only use you to increase the size of their bank accounts.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:28:59pm

re: #218 Mattand

Granted, I’m coming in late here, but are people getting their underwear in a twist that Obama is getting paid speaking fees, or getting paid by the “wrong” sources?

Depends on who you ask and which article you’re reading. I have no patience for either argument.

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gocart mozart  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:30:42pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:32:05pm

re: #221 gocart mozart

People, check the goddamn time stamps!

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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:32:35pm

re: #211 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So how do you address that mindset while producing a candidate that is acceptable to the majority of American voters, some of whom are not the loony left?

How do you deal with someone who looks at a nuanced, real human being, that does a lot of good (not all, but a lot!) and dismisses them as a corporate shill? The world is not fucking black and white. REALITY IS NOT FUCKING BLACK AND WHITE. But people like that are completely unwilling to compromise and instead look down from their high horses like they’ve magically held on to some mystical superior moral ground because they didn’t sully their hands with voting for someone less principled than them.

There is no magical pure candidate who is going to win these people, and as we’ve seen over the past several weeks (view the fallout over the whole Unity tour bit), catering to those who are setting the purity bar higher than is remotely possible does a lot to piss off the base that actually shows up to vote.

And that’s even before we get into the giant racial blind spot that these people have.

It’s like being lectured again about how we have to understand the poor Trump voters, except these are the folks who were too pure to vote for Hillary so instead we got Trump.

Any idiot that didn’t vote for Clinton in the 2016 general election because of purity concerns needs to repent, thoroughly.

That said, the Democratic party has not really opposed rising wealth and income inequality in the US for a long time, and IMO this definitely needs to be addressed. Yes, Obamacare is very helpful in reducing the number of medical bankruptcies, but that worthy act of providing some basic civilization doesn’t really count as opposing the plutocracy itself.

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Mattand  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:33:38pm

re: #220 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Depends on who you ask and which article you’re reading. I have no patience for either argument.

I saw some of this earlier. We’re at the point that Republicans have zero moral compass and Democrats are willingly committing suicide with theirs.

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majii  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:33:53pm

re: #107 Eclectic Cyborg

“Oh and this 400k Obama thing?”

What #44’s critics always seem to forget is that he oftentimes donates much of the money he receives to charity. He and former FL Michelle have said that most of the proceeds from their book sales will be donated to charity. If Trump were in Pres. Obama’s position, there’s no way he’d give most of his post-presidential earnings to charity—-not with his money grubbing habits.

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jaunte  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:37:17pm

Trump busy encouraging North Korea that their most paranoid fantasies were all true.

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jaunte  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:37:46pm
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Dr. Matt  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:38:03pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:39:00pm

re: #223 EPR-radar

Any idiot that didn’t vote for Clinton in the 2016 general election because of purity concerns needs to repent, thoroughly.

That said, the Democratic party has not really opposed rising wealth and income inequality in the US for a long time, and IMO this definitely needs to be addressed. Yes, Obamacare is very helpful in reducing the number of medical bankruptcies, but that worthy act of providing some basic civilization doesn’t really count as opposing the plutocracy itself.

Well it was a significant redistribution of income from the rich to the poor, regardless of the purists preference for single payer, which simply wasn’t politically feasible. Note Paul Ryan’s obsession with repealing the ACA so that all that money can be redistributed back to the rich.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:39:26pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:39:38pm
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majii  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:41:15pm

re: #126 klys (maker of Silmarils)

“He’s a black man who isn’t holding himself to this moral standard that was made up just for him by a bunch of white people.”

It has always been this way for Black Americans. I received my undergraduate degree from the University of GA in 1974. At the high school from which I retired, some of my colleagues had also received their undergraduate degrees from UGA, but they never minded letting me know that UGA “gave” me my diploma. A lot of what we’re seeing in regard to some Americans” perceptions about POC and women is jealousy. They’re trying to figure out how some of us have reached the levels of achievement that we’ve reached. Some who hear that most college graduates and those receiving advanced degrees today are women don’t want to believe it even though it’s true.

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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:43:14pm

re: #218 Mattand

Granted, I’m coming in late here, but are people getting their underwear in a twist that Obama is getting paid speaking fees, or getting paid by the “wrong” sources?

The totally unacceptable outcome of the 2008 crash (i.e., no real accountability for the banks) has left me permanently irritated with the banking sector. I wouldn’t have commented at all on Obama’s $400K speaking engagement except that its going to be at a Wall Street investment bank.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:43:24pm
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BeachDem  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:45:48pm

re: #203 klys (maker of Silmarils)

On one side there is the group that thinks it is a major issue that a former President who is not running for office again took payment for a speech, as is customary, above and beyond all the bullshit that’s actually happening in this country right now with the current President. Then on the other side are the folks trying to limit the actual damage that’s happening right now.

Things like Trumpcare might be voted on tomorrow but I’ve seen more about this bullshit issue from liberal pundits than I have about that mess.

I know which side of the party I fall on.

The bullshit is trickling down to all the local shit too. We’re electing a new state party chair on Saturday—one of the candidates just put out a notice accusing the other one of “backroom deals of political insiders” and wanting to be chair to “line his pockets.” Of course, needless to say, the candidate who put this crap out is strongly supported by Our Revolution.

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jaunte  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:45:51pm

re: #234 Dr. Matt

Trump tells @Reuters he credits North Korean leader Kim as ‘not many 27-year-old men could go in and take over a regime

Trump’s envious of a tyrant who doesn’t have two other branches of government spoiling his fun.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:46:48pm

re: #235 BeachDem

The bullshit is trickling down to all the local shit too. We’re electing a new state party chair on Saturday—one of the candidates just put out a notice accusing the other one of “backroom deals of political insiders” and wanting to be chair to “line his pockets.” Of course, needless to say, the candidate who put this crap out is strongly supported by Our Revolution.

Better make sure they’ve never done any business with a local bank.

Or have any investments on Wall Street.

Can’t be too careful, you know.

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gocart mozart  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:49:28pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:49:44pm
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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:51:22pm

re: #229 Big Beautiful Door

Well it was a significant redistribution of income from the rich to the poor, regardless of the purists preference for single payer, which simply wasn’t politically feasible. Note Paul Ryan’s obsession with repealing the ACA so that all that money can be redistributed back to the rich.

Redistributing income isn’t really challenging the plutocracy. The plutocrats are still the rulers, even if they end up being taxed a bit more.

I’d like to see some kind of economic reform that leads to a system where these obscene accumulations of wealth and power don’t form in the first place. I can’t even imagine what this would be like, or how we could get from here to there politically.

But I am sure the present system cannot continue along a path of ‘business as usual’ where that is ever-increasing concentration of wealth and power for the rulers.

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Interesting Times  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:52:01pm

re: #223 EPR-radar

That said, the Democratic party has not really opposed rising wealth and income inequality in the US for a long time, and IMO this definitely needs to be addressed.

Yes, that’s exactly what I mean when I say *some* BoB arguments are based in reality. There was also an excellent point brought up earlier by KGxvi:

In the 80s, during my childhood, “liberal” became a dirty word, or at least a smear. Democrats, for whatever reason, rather than trying to defend themselves and their ideology/positions, decided to run away from the word. Instead they took up the mantle of “progressive” or a variety of other labels. They acted like they were ashamed of what they believed in. And people don’t want to vote for someone that’s ashamed of their beliefs.

THAT’S what it boils down to and why I always harp on “messaging.” Especially in this social-media/reality-tv-driven culture where, sadly, “optics” and “entertainment” matter more than practical reality.

Extreme BoBers aside, I think a lot of what drove Bernie’s popularity was that he was perceived as a fearless and unashamed voice of progressivism (whether that’s backed up by pesky details like voting record etc. is beside the point - remember, we’re talking about the distracted-by-shiny-objects perception-driven voters who make up what’s left of the “swing” vote :/ )

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Charles Johnson  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:52:16pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:52:25pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:53:49pm

Trump thinks he could bomb North Korea and people would love him for it.

He also fails to understand how much it would piss off other countries.

Can’t help but wonder if Putin is pulling the strings on this one.

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Anymouse  Apr 27, 2017 • 6:58:06pm

re: #107 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh and this 400k Obama thing? I’d like to see Trump command a rate like that once he leaves office.

I’d say for all the shit he put up with in office Obama has more than earned that money.

Lots more in this thread as wingnuts and purity pony lefties both whinge about President Obama being paid to work:

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Mattand  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:00:20pm

re: #233 EPR-radar

The totally unacceptable outcome of the 2008 crash (i.e., no real accountability for the banks) has left me permanently irritated with the banking sector. I wouldn’t have commented at all on Obama’s $400K speaking engagement except that its going to be at a Wall Street investment bank.

I understand that and you have a point. Trying not to be an ass here, but as Klys pointed out, Obama is pretty much done with running for office. Is he supposed to run any future speaking engagements past the Democratic party in order to maintain purity for future candidates?

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Dr. Matt  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:00:28pm

re: #245 Anymouse

Huh? I thought Obama was a socialist, commie Kenyan, something, something, something,

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whitebeach  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:00:32pm

re: #233 EPR-radar

The totally unacceptable outcome of the 2008 crash (i.e., no real accountability for the banks) has left me permanently irritated with the banking sector. I wouldn’t have commented at all on Obama’s $400K speaking engagement except that its going to be at a Wall Street investment bank.

Oh FFS, would you be happier if he were speaking to Greenpeace or PETA or the Innocence Project for $400 K? He’s going to talk to these movers and shakers—and yes, sinners—about health care and how he thinks they can do things better in this and other fields of endeavor. Even Jesus didn’t preach only to the pure of soul. (True, JC didn’t pull down loads of money for a sermon either, but then he never got elected president or anything else.) No offense, you know I respect you, but that horse you’re riding on this particular subject looks about 180 hands high from here on the ground.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:01:11pm

I watched the first episode of Handmaid’s Tale. Hulu dropped the first 3 episodes but I’ll watch the others later.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:02:05pm

NK missiles would undoubtedly fall on Japan, too. Trump and his gang cannot imagine the repercussions that would have. The re-militarization of Japan would be only the beginning.

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bratwurst  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:02:09pm

And I’m a jumbo shrimp!

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Stanley Sea  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:02:19pm

FYI Demme was a Gator.

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Mattand  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:02:54pm

re: #248 whitebeach

Oh FFS, would you be happier if he were speaking to Greenpeace or PETA or the Innocence Project for $400 K? He’s going to talk to these movers and shakers—and yes, sinners—about health care and how he thinks they can do things better in this and other fields of endeavor. Even Jesus didn’t preach only to the pure of soul. (True, JC didn’t pull down loads of money for a sermon either, but then he never got elected president or anything else.) No offense, you know I respect you, but that horse you’re riding on this particular subject looks about 180 hands high from here on the ground.

Somebody posted on the earlier thread that the fee Obama is taking isn’t even close to what former ex-Presidents have accepted.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:03:34pm

OT, short one for tonight:

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Puss Power  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:03:41pm

re: #241 Interesting Times

In the 80s, during my childhood, “liberal” became a dirty word, or at least a smear. Democrats, for whatever reason, rather than trying to defend themselves and their ideology/positions, decided to run away from the word. Instead they took up the mantle of “progressive” or a variety of other labels. They acted like they were ashamed of what they believed in. And people don’t want to vote for someone that’s ashamed of their beliefs.

It was earlier than that — during the late sixties, in fact. Fed by frustration at the war (if you want a quick summary, see Phil Ochs’ song, Love Me, I’m a Liberal). Basically, liberals were attacked from the left for not being radical enough. Since we know what comes of being too activist, it should be possible to counter this.

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:04:05pm

re: #233 EPR-radar

The totally unacceptable outcome of the 2008 crash (i.e., no real accountability for the banks) has left me permanently irritated with the banking sector. I wouldn’t have commented at all on Obama’s $400K speaking engagement except that its going to be at a Wall Street investment bank.

Have bankers ever been considered totally on the up and up? I can’t say I ever saw them that way.

I always saw them as degrees of necessary evil. The small town banks were all gobbled up by regional banks and many of them have been gobbled up by larger national banks. So it has gone from the people you know to people you will never see.

And like all big business the larger they get the more they tend to gloss over the little guy individual for the big hit.

I guess when it comes to money I really have a level of distrust as a default setting.

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Interesting Times  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:04:43pm

re: #251 bratwurst

@paulwsj
“I’m a nationalist and a globalist,” President Trump told the WSJ on Thursday

A floor wax AND a dessert topping!

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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:05:54pm

re: #246 Mattand

I understand that and you have a point. Trying not to be an ass here, but as Klys pointed out, Obama is pretty much done with running for office. Is he supposed to run any future speaking engagements past the Democratic party in order to maintain purity for future candidates?

No. On the other hand, Obama has many options. How difficult would it be for him to avoid, at least for a while, the one kind of venue most likely to send some fraction of the party into orbit?

Hatred of the establishment and the banks is part of what put that cretin Trump into the Presidency*.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:08:21pm

re: #258 EPR-radar

No. On the other hand, Obama has many options. How difficult would it be for him to avoid, at least for a while, the one kind of venue most likely to send some fraction of the party into orbit?

Hatred of the establishment and the banks is part of what put that cretin Trump into the Presidency*.

How do you know what he’s saying to the bankers? Maybe he is telling them to create more opportunities in the finance industry for women, minorities, and disadvantaged. (Which BTW is what Hillary allegedly talked about when she spoke at Goldman Sachs)

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Belafon  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:09:39pm

re: #241 Interesting Times

They ran from it because they got killed in elections over it.

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Puss Power  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:10:19pm

re: #232 majii

“He’s a black man who isn’t holding himself to this moral standard that was made up just for him by a bunch of white people.”

It has always been this way for Black Americans. I received my undergraduate degree from the University of GA in 1974. At the high school from which I retired, some of my colleagues had also received their undergraduate degrees from UGA, but they never minded letting me know that UGA “gave” me my diploma. A lot of what we’re seeing in regard some Americans” perceptions about POC and women is jealousy. They’re trying to figure out how some of us have reached the levels of achievement that we’ve reached. Some who hear that most college graduates and those receiving advanced degrees are women don’t want to believe it even though it’s true.

Sadly, it’s just that too large group of bigots who think no black person could possibly have come by this honestly. (Like your famous designer purse.) Where I live, you won’t hear that spoken aloud very often, but I’m sure it’s still around. Even here.

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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:11:22pm

re: #248 whitebeach

Oh FFS, would you be happier if he were speaking to Greenpeace or PETA or the Innocence Project for $400 K? He’s going to talk to these movers and shakers—and yes, sinners—about health care and how he thinks they can do things better in this and other fields of endeavor. Even Jesus didn’t preach only to the pure of soul. (True, JC didn’t pull down loads of money for a sermon either, but then he never got elected president or anything else.) No offense, you know I respect you, but that horse you’re riding on this particular subject looks about 180 hands high from here on the ground.

For the record, my comment on this speaking engagement is just that it looks bad, not that it makes Obama evil, or a sell-out or any of the other ODS tropes. Yes, I know this is the fucking optics thing, again. But optics in politics can’t be wished away just because it is an unfair pain in the ass. Especially when it’s a direct hit on a major fault line in the Democratic party exposed by the 2016 (D) primary.

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Mattand  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:11:45pm

I’m also getting the impression this Obama Speaker-gate crap is shaping into “Oh my god, Obama is upsetting the Trumpgrets dopes and our precious supply of “independent” voters by not being perfect!!! He’s ruining 2020 for the Democrats by not being an paragon of virtue!!!”

Which is fucking stupid.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:11:51pm
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Momkat56  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:14:17pm

re: #97 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That brought back memories. Twenty-eight years ago we lost our little Katie shortly after birth, but we didn’t have much time to prepare for it. The only thing that kept me sane then was the knowledge that her eyes gave someone sight. Organ donation is a precious gift for all concerned.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:15:03pm

You know, I had a realization a minute ago. I was thinking about Drumpf and his whole thing with the 9th Circuit. And then it hit me: Rush Limbaugh calls it the “9th Circus Court of Appeals” and lambastes it regularly on his show. All of a sudden, the pieces all fell into place.

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:15:07pm

re: #244 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump thinks he could bomb North Korea and people would love him for it.

He also fails to understand how much it would piss off other countries.

Can’t help but wonder if Putin is pulling the strings on this one.

i think he hopes people love him for it.

I wonder if he is tossing his whole office into being a hardass against North Korea? He may already be at the point he thinks (or is being advised) this could be the thing that makes America swoon for The Trump. Everyone knows he is a huge attention seeker and he may be thinking what better way.

I hope not because that is stupid and dangerous. Sadly we already know he can be very stupid. This may be the first time he could be extremely dangerous. He sure isn’t the character to make you think he can handle that type of decision based on his being stupid.

Then, he conned his way into the Presidency and he may be thinking he can con North Korea, so he may think he doesn’t need to get to the dangerous level and he can pull this off. But conning a crazy dictator could be dangerous.

Uh oh.

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Puss Power  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:15:12pm

re: #262 EPR-radar

For the record, my comment on this speaking engagement is just that it looks bad, not that it makes Obama evil, or a sell-out or any of the other ODS tropes. Yes, I know this is the fucking optics thing, again. But optics in politics can’t be wished away just because it is an unfair pain in the ass. Especially when it’s a direct hit on a major fault line in the Democratic party exposed by the 2016 (D) primary.

We’ve got a while to do something about that fault line, so thank Obama for exposing it.

Anyway, I’m convinced that some of the Bernie people’s loyalty to him is based on the same kind of bigotry that Trump supporters demonstrate. Except that the Bernie bros don’t recognize/acknowledge it in themselves.

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Renaissance_Man  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:15:16pm

re: #240 EPR-radar

But I am sure the present system cannot continue along a path of ‘business as usual’ where that is ever-increasing concentration of wealth and power for the rulers.

Actually, in an abstract sense, I’m wondering if that’s true any more.

Human history has always been one of concentration of wealth and power in the hands of a few, and the societal controls that allow the powerful to keep their power. It used to be religion, slavery, then feudalism, and so forth. The cycle of history has always been one of increasing concentration of power until there is a correction, a revolution of sorts, or an enlightenment such as the Renaissance.

But we’re at a point in history where the societal controls are reaching a point where no such correction may be possible. The ease and availability of mass media allows essentially your entire populace to become easily controlled with bread and circuses, especially the circuses. Furthermore, the disparity of force now wielded by the powerful (ie. a modern army is so far advanced beyond the capability of the populace to revolt) makes any sort of revolution essentially impossible.

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retired cynic  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:15:16pm

If there are two things I am sure of: President Obama is not stupid. President Obama was not sleeping during the last two political years. He’s a good man. Let him be.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:15:36pm

re: #262 EPR-radar

You know what “looks bad”? BEING A NAZI.

Today a wingnut said to me OMG DID YOU KNOW THAT MACRON IS MARRIED TO A WOMAN WHO IS OLD ENOUGH TO BE HIS MOTHER!!!!

ME: So what? MARINE LE PEN IS A NAZI.

WINGNUT: WHAT KIND OF A SICKO OEDIPUS FREAK IS HE TO MARRY A CHICK WHO IS OLD ENOUGH TO BE HIS MOTHER!!!!!

ME: SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT A FUCKING NAZI.

WINGNUT: OMG I’M SO FREAKED OUT BY A GUY WHO FUCKS OLD LADIES

ME: MARINE IS STILL A NAZI.

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Mattand  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:15:40pm

I’m sorry, but there’s way more important stuff to deal with right now than slamming Obama’s speaking choices.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:15:49pm

re: #234 Dr. Matt

China has taken all the steps they can, and is totally besides themselves-they were gobsmacked when Grandson executed Hyon Yong-chol, the DPRK defense minister.

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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:15:51pm

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

How do you know what he’s saying to the bankers? Maybe he is telling them to create more opportunities in the finance industry for women, minorities, and disadvantaged. (Which BTW is what Hillary allegedly talked about when she spoke at Goldman Sachs)

It doesn’t really matter what Obama says. This is one of those shitty optics things, and the pundits are apparently having a field day with it.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:15:54pm

re: #265 Momkat56

That brought back memories. Twenty-eight years ago we lost our little Katie shortly after birth, but we didn’t have much time to prepare for it. The only thing that kept me sane then was the knowledge that her eyes gave someone sight. Organ donation is a precious gift for all concerned.

Bless you.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:16:06pm

So I finally finished the Oklahoma City doc on Netflix. Really well done. The filmmakers go to great lengths to repeatedly state the deep connections the White Supremacist movement had to the attack and Mcveighs motivations.

The closing title card references SPLCs statistic of 500 active White Supremacist groups in the U.S. today.

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:16:11pm

re: #247 Dr. Matt

Huh? I thought Obama was a socialist, commie Kenyan, something, something, something,

He is all the things!!!

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jaunte  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:17:14pm

Mike Flynn is a lying sack of Russia Today.

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Varek Raith  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:17:41pm

Warren was a republican for half my life.
Troubling.
;)

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retired cynic  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:17:49pm

re: #274 EPR-radar

It doesn’t really matter what Obama says. This is one of those shitty optics things, and the pundits are apparently having a field day with it.

I think you have made your point. It’s optics.

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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:17:55pm

re: #269 Renaissance_Man

Actually, in an abstract sense, I’m wondering if that’s true any more.

Human history has always been one of concentration of wealth and power in the hands of a few, and the societal controls that allow the powerful to keep their power. It used to be religion, slavery, then feudalism, and so forth. The cycle of history has always been one of increasing concentration of power until there is a correction, a revolution of sorts, or an enlightenment such as the Renaissance.

But we’re at a point in history where the societal controls are reaching a point where no such correction may be possible. The ease and availability of mass media allows essentially your entire populace to become easily controlled with bread and circuses, especially the circuses. Furthermore, the disparity of force now wielded by the powerful (ie. a modern army is so far advanced beyond the capability of the populace to revolt) makes any sort of revolution essentially impossible.

Ugh. I really hope you are wrong, but I can’t see any errors at the moment. Fox News is a potent example of the power of propaganda.

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Puss Power  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:18:10pm

re: #265 Momkat56

{{{Momkat56 }}}

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Mattand  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:18:53pm

re: #271 The Vicious Babushka

You know what “looks bad”? BEING A NAZI.

Today a wingnut said to me OMG DID YOU KNOW THAT MACRON IS MARRIED TO A WOMAN WHO IS OLD ENOUGH TO BE HIS MOTHER!!!!

ME: So what? MARINE LE PEN IS A NAZI.

WINGNUT: WHAT KIND OF A SICKO OEDIPUS FREAK IS HE TO MARRY A CHICK WHO IS OLD ENOUGH TO BE HIS MOTHER!!!!!

ME: SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT A FUCKING NAZI.

WINGNUT: OMG I’M SO FREAKED OUT BY A GUY WHO FUCKS OLD LADIES

ME: MARINE IS STILL A NAZI.

Jesus Christ, the speed at which conservatives became comfortable with Nazis over the last 18 months is fucking scary.

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:19:12pm

re: #253 Mattand

Somebody posted on the earlier thread that the fee Obama is taking isn’t even close to what former ex-Presidents have accepted.

That may have been mine.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/comment/153/11566601

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teleskiguy  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:19:49pm

re: #271 The Vicious Babushka

Fuckface Von Clownstick was 33 years old when his current wife Melania was born.

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Mattand  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:20:46pm

re: #284 ObserverArt

That may have been mine.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/comment/153/11566601

That’s the one.

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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:21:52pm

re: #283 Mattand

Jesus Christ, the speed at which conservatives became comfortable with Nazis over the last 18 months is fucking scary.

They have effectively been preparing for that transition for decades (at least since WFB founded the National Review explicitly on white supremacy). Trump has accelerated the process, but I think this was always inevitable.

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Targetpractice  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:22:04pm

FFS, that’s going to be the fucking epitaph on this nation’s headstone: “We would have done something, but we would have looked bad.”

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:22:23pm

re: #250 Shiplord Kirel

The re-militarization of Japan would be only the beginning.

No doubt Japan would have a working variable-yield nuclear warhead in 60-days, and full production of dozens, if not hundreds, in six months.

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Puss Power  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:22:31pm

re: #269 Renaissance_Man

But we’re at a point in history where the societal controls are reaching a point where no such correction may be possible. The ease and availability of mass media allows essentially your entire populace to become easily controlled with bread and circuses, especially the circuses. Furthermore, the disparity of force now wielded by the powerful (ie. a modern army is so far advanced beyond the capability of the populace to revolt) makes any sort of revolution essentially impossible.

That’s really always been the case (the disparity of force, I mean) — revolutions happen when the soldiers change sides. On the bread and circuses aspect, they have to keep supplying bread (i.e. the minimum standard that we will now accept).

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:23:13pm

re: #263 Mattand

I’m also getting the impression this Obama Speaker-gate crap is shaping into “Oh my god, Obama is upsetting the Trumpgrets dopes and our precious supply of “independent” voters by not being perfect!!! He’s ruining 2020 for the Democrats by not being an paragon of virtue!!!”

Which is fucking stupid.

Well, if you read this linked earlier in this thread it is much worse for some people than your depiction.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:23:41pm

re: #288 Targetpractice

FFS, that’s going to be the fucking epitaph on this nation’s headstone: “We would have done something, but we would have looked bad.”

There are times where it’s okay to look bad. Punching Nazis is one of them.

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retired cynic  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:24:25pm

re: #291 ObserverArt

Well, if you read this linked earlier in this thread it is much worse for some people than your depiction.

Some people think DT is great. I heard some of them on the radio today.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:24:29pm
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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:24:55pm

re: #290 Puss Power

That’s really always been the case (the disparity of force, I mean) — revolutions happen when the soldiers change sides. On the bread and circuses aspect, they have to keep supplying bread (i.e. the minimum standard that we will now accept).

The state also has to be weakened by internal division within the regime for a revolution to succeed, especially since 1850 or so when state military power really became overwhelming.

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teleskiguy  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:25:47pm

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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:25:52pm

re: #291 ObserverArt

Well, if you read this linked earlier in this thread it is much worse for some people than your depiction.

That really was a steaming load of Obama Derangement Syndrome, wasn’t it?

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Targetpractice  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:26:06pm

re: #292 thedopefishlives

There are times where it’s okay to look bad. Punching Nazis is one of them.

Obviously not, because the optics of doing so are “bad.” No, we instead need to give the Nazis an open podium up on the stage and treat them as if they are offering a legitimate argument rather than pure lunacy. When they’re blathering about “race traitors” and the “impure,” we’re supposed to nod our heads and then try to act as if they’re not barking mad. That, we’re assured by “serious” folks, will show that Nazism is wrong and “reasonable” people will recognize such and condemn the Nazis.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:27:02pm

Random on the timeline, but good.

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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:27:21pm

re: #279 Varek Raith

Warren was a republican for half my life.
Troubling.
;)

I was a Republican for more than half my life. Even more troubling.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:28:20pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:28:22pm

re: #294 Charles Johnson

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At about this point, the GOP is in full retreat. In three months, Trump has thrown a monkey wrench into every major effort they wanted to accomplish between now and 2020. Worse, he’s actually endangering their Congressional majority by putting moderates in the firing line next year.

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jaunte  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:28:31pm
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Interesting Times  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:28:46pm

re: #291 ObserverArt

Well, if you read this linked earlier in this thread it is much worse for some people than your depiction.

And in the replies to the tweet where I found that article, yet another reason we can’t have nice things -_-

So when people ask me “how do we address that”, well, if there were legitimate reasons certain things couldn’t be accomplished, dumb down the explanation as much as possible and repeat it until it becomes as much a reflex as walking.

All you need to reach are ~100k voters in 3 swing states.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:29:02pm

re: #298 Targetpractice

Otoh, fuck them and Ann Coulter. Decent folks are allowed to draw a line. Life is not reduced to an an academic exercise.

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BeachDem  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:29:10pm

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

How do you know what he’s saying to the bankers? Maybe he is telling them to create more opportunities in the finance industry for women, minorities, and disadvantaged. (Which BTW is what Hillary allegedly talked about when she spoke at Goldman Sachs)

He’s speaking at Cantor Fitzgerald’s healthcare conference.

Cantor Fitzgerald, you know, the company everybody felt such compassion for after 9/11, and a company that puts at least some of its money where its mouth is.

The Cantor Fitzgerald Relief Fund provided $10 million to families affected by Hurricane Sandy. Howard Lutnick and the Relief Fund “adopted” 19 elementary schools in impacted areas, distributing $1,000 prepaid debit cards to each family from the schools. In total $10 million in funds were given to families affected by the storm.

Two days after the 2013 Moore tornado struck Moore, Oklahoma, killing 24 people and injuring hundreds, Howard Lutnick pledged to donate $2 million to families affected by the tornado. The donation was given out in the form of $1,000 debit cards given out to area families.

Each year, on September 11, Cantor Fitzgerald and its affiliate BGC Partners donate 100% of their revenue to charitable causes on their annual Charity Day which was originally established to raise money to assist the families of Cantor employees who died in the World Trade Center attacks. Since its inception, Charity Day has raised $110 million for charities globally.

I guess he should only speak at future unicorn and pony conventions.

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Mattand  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:29:27pm

re: #291 ObserverArt

Well, if you read this linked earlier in this thread it is much worse for some people than your depiction.

Wow.

I only read the headline, and then skimmed to the part that compared supporting Obama as being in an abusive relationship.

Ms. Johnstone is a fucking moron.

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Targetpractice  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:29:34pm

re: #304 Interesting Times

And in the replies to the tweet where I found that article, yet another reason we can’t have nice things -_-

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So when people ask me “how do we address that”, well, if there were legitimate reasons certain things couldn’t be accomplished, dumb down the explanation as much as possible and repeat it until it becomes as much a reflex as walking.

All you need to reach are ~100k voters in 3 swing states.

To those morons, I offer two words: Scott Brown.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:29:51pm

re: #298 Targetpractice

Obviously not, because the optics of doing so are “bad.” No, we instead need to give the Nazis an open podium up on the stage and treat them as if they are offering a legitimate argument rather than pure lunacy. When they’re blathering about “race traitors” and the “impure,” we’re supposed to nod our heads and then try to act as if they’re not barking mad. That, we’re assured by “serious” folks, will show that Nazism is wrong and “reasonable” people will recognize such and condemn the Nazis.

No. Fuck that. They have a right to speak, they do not have a right to be heard. I may not have it in me to actually perform physical assault upon them, but while the First Amendment may protect their speech, I don’t have to. They can all go eat a bag of dicks.

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Puss Power  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:29:59pm

re: #300 EPR-radar

I was a Republican for more than half my life. Even more troubling.

Guys, “Republican” was a respectable choice through the ‘70’s at least. They started along the path to insanity after the Civil Rights Act (and the terrible choice the party made at that time), and Obama pushed them to the point of no return.

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retired cynic  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:31:06pm

re: #306 BeachDem

He’s speaking at Cantor Fitzgerald’s healthcare conference.

Cantor Fitzgerald, you know, the company everybody felt such compassion for after 9/11, and a company that puts at least some of its money where its mouth is.

The Cantor Fitzgerald Relief Fund provided $10 million to families affected by Hurricane Sandy. Howard Lutnick and the Relief Fund “adopted” 19 elementary schools in impacted areas, distributing $1,000 prepaid debit cards to each family from the schools. In total $10 million in funds were given to families affected by the storm.

Two days after the 2013 Moore tornado struck Moore, Oklahoma, killing 24 people and injuring hundreds, Howard Lutnick pledged to donate $2 million to families affected by the tornado. The donation was given out in the form of $1,000 debit cards given out to area families.

Each year, on September 11, Cantor Fitzgerald and its affiliate BGC Partners donate 100% of their revenue to charitable causes on their annual Charity Day which was originally established to raise money to assist the families of Cantor employees who died in the World Trade Center attacks. Since its inception, Charity Day has raised $110 million for charities globally.

I guess he should only speak at future unicorn and pony conventions.

THANK YOU! (caps intended)

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Puss Power  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:31:23pm

re: #303 jaunte

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I agree, but let’s not forget that he was going to eliminate NAFTA yesterday.

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Mattand  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:31:55pm

re: #304 Interesting Times

All you need to reach are ~100k voters in 3 swing states.

I have to keep reminding myself that less than a quarter of the voting population put this fucking monster in office. That and an antiquated voting system.

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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:32:13pm

re: #310 Puss Power

Guys, “Republican” was a respectable choice through the ‘70’s at least. They started along the path to insanity after the Civil Rights Act (and the terrible choice the party made at that time), and Obama pushed them to the point of no return.

I’m not old enough to have that excuse. The last time I voted (R) in a presidential election was in 2000. At least that was in CA where this error didn’t matter.

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:33:01pm

re: #307 Mattand

Wow.

I only read the headline, and then skimmed to the part that compared supporting Obama as being in an abusive relationship.

Ms. Johnstone is a fucking moron.

They walk among us.

((((SHUDDER))))

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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:33:18pm

re: #306 BeachDem

Thanks for this. That is some seriously useful information.

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Mattand  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:34:30pm

re: #315 ObserverArt

They walk among us.

((((SHUDDER))))

There is no cure forSarandon-itis.

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teleskiguy  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:35:35pm

I think Barack Obama should get paid a cool million dollars for his next speech.

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teleskiguy  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:36:55pm

“Optics” is a bullshit word in service of privileged white people.

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VegasGolfer  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:37:26pm

re: #306 BeachDem

He’s speaking at Cantor Fitzgerald’s healthcare conference.

Cantor Fitzgerald, you know, the company everybody felt such compassion for after 9/11, and a company that puts at least some of its money where its mouth is.

The Cantor Fitzgerald Relief Fund provided $10 million to families affected by Hurricane Sandy. Howard Lutnick and the Relief Fund “adopted” 19 elementary schools in impacted areas, distributing $1,000 prepaid debit cards to each family from the schools. In total $10 million in funds were given to families affected by the storm.

Two days after the 2013 Moore tornado struck Moore, Oklahoma, killing 24 people and injuring hundreds, Howard Lutnick pledged to donate $2 million to families affected by the tornado. The donation was given out in the form of $1,000 debit cards given out to area families.

Each year, on September 11, Cantor Fitzgerald and its affiliate BGC Partners donate 100% of their revenue to charitable causes on their annual Charity Day which was originally established to raise money to assist the families of Cantor employees who died in the World Trade Center attacks. Since its inception, Charity Day has raised $110 million for charities globally.

I guess he should only speak at future unicorn and pony conventions.

Can somebody make a list where Obama can earn money and not piss off dems, progs, bernie bots etc.

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Interesting Times  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:37:54pm

re: #313 Mattand

I have to keep reminding myself that less than a quarter of the voting population put this fucking monster. That and an antiquated voting system.

Exactly. And around 95% of that quarter are die-hard GOPer deplorables who would pull the lever for a literal pile of turds with a loudspeaker on top that blurted “durr hurr I hate libruls” on repeat.

That means Dems have to increase turnout among the non-voters and the suppressed voters to win. There are bound to be at least some strategies to help accomplish that.

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Varek Raith  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:38:05pm

re: #319 teleskiguy

“Optics” is a bullshit word in service of privileged white people.

*Smashes ‘Plus’ button*

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:39:53pm

re: #318 teleskiguy

I think Barack Obama should get paid a cool million dollars for his next speech.

Apparently Ronnie Reagan did back in the 90s. That Google search I did and linked above in #153 said he would pull down 1 mil…in 90s dollars.

Funny that too. I can’t say I remember the outrage.

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retired cynic  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:39:55pm

re: #315 ObserverArt

They walk among us.

((((SHUDDER))))

I just looked at the comments. Dear God. I hope I never meet any of those people.

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BeachDem  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:39:59pm

re: #298 Targetpractice

Obviously not, because the optics of doing so are “bad.” No, we instead need to give the Nazis an open podium up on the stage and treat them as if they are offering a legitimate argument rather than pure lunacy. When they’re blathering about “race traitors” and the “impure,” we’re supposed to nod our heads and then try to act as if they’re not barking mad. That, we’re assured by “serious” folks, will show that Nazism is wrong and “reasonable” people will recognize such and condemn the Nazis.

Like these descriptions of everyone’s favorite Nazi:

Spencer is a favorite of the mainstream press, which has written a flood of trend pieces about his fascist-inspired haircut, “dapper” dress, “millennial élan,” and “prom king good looks.” The Huffington Post wrote that Spencer’s face was reminiscent of “Ryan Gosling.”

As of the December 2016 article:

The New York Times has lavished Spencer with attention, mentioning him at least 11 times in the past two months. Often it has given him space to present his tiny movement as mainstream and normal.

freebeacon.com

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whitebeach  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:40:14pm

re: #274 EPR-radar

It doesn’t really matter what Obama says. This is one of those shitty optics things, and the pundits are apparently having a field day with it.

Which freakin pundits? The ones who claimed he was trying to take over the schools when he counseled kids to graduate? Or the ones who told us over and over during the campaign what a scandal HRC’s emails were? At least on this site, you seem to be just about the only person so deeply concerned about how horrible these “optics” are. It’s true I’m due for eye surgery soon, but I’m not seeing this huge problem. All I’m seeing is the same “pundits” who’ve been howling for years that Obama is either (a) Satan incarnate or (b) not a knight pure and perfect in shining armor and riding a pure white horse to redeem the world.

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Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:40:46pm

re: #245 Anymouse

re: #245 Anymouse

Meghan is really getting into the Michelle Fiore look.

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SteveMcG RN  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:42:07pm

re: #314 EPR-radar

I’m still registered R but the last R presidential ballot I cast was for George H in 1992. The last R candidate I voted for was either Arlen Spector or a local Philly guy Thatcher Longstreth around 2004 ish. I stay registered in the off chance a guy like Pat Toomey gets a primary challenger I could vote for.
The Republican Party was always a party of big business and he-man shoot first tough guys, but never to this extent, and the party I registered in 1982 bore little resemblance to the odious, reactionary, hateful, short sighted mob it is today.

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:42:39pm

re: #320 VegasGolfer

Can somebody make a list where Obama can earn money and not piss off dems, progs, bernie bots etc.

Man, I know what I want to answer, but I better not. It would not be anywhere near politically correct, but it may just be too close to the damn truth.

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teleskiguy  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:43:02pm
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SteveMcG RN  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:44:08pm

re: #330 teleskiguy

#CREAM ?

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teleskiguy  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:44:57pm

re: #331 SteveMcG RN

#CREAM ?

Cash Rules Everything Around Me

C.R.E.A.M.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:45:46pm

re: #323 ObserverArt

Apparently Ronnie Reagan did back in the 90s. That Google search I did and linked above in #153 said he would pull down 1 mil…in 90s dollars.

Funny that too. I can’t say I remember the outrage.

I remember the outrage. IIRC, his first $ was from the Japanese, who were at that time buying up LA & NYC.

334
SteveMcG RN  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:45:51pm

re: #332 teleskiguy

Ah. I am so square.

335
Interesting Times  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:48:19pm

Okay, I gave you the most extreme BoB view for an example of one end of the scale…now here’s something more sensible and usable - Krystal Ball was a Bernie supporter but not a buster, and her timeline right now actually has a lot of stuff that (contrary to material posted on LGF earlier) suggests the “unity” tour is having positive results after all:

336
BeachDem  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:49:18pm

re: #320 VegasGolfer

Can somebody make a list where Obama can earn money and not piss off dems, progs, bernie bots etc.

Unicorn conventions
Pony conventions
Any Bernie Sanders approved venues
Period.

337
Anymouse  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:49:56pm

Felix Randomkitty update Eight:

My wife and I were out when the veterinarian called. She wanted us to call right back, but we did not get home until well after the clinic was closed.

She is once again concerned for Felix’s condition, and will call first thing in the morning, according to the message. (She knows I sleep mostly in the day and reserves calls for the late afternoon, so if she says she will call first thing in the morning I expect that is not good.)

My wife and I have discussed the issue about our eight-year-old cat this evening. We have arrived at the opinion that perhaps we are asking the veterinarian involved in his care the wrong question.

Perhaps the question should be, “If this was your beloved pet, with your medical knowledge, what would you do?”

338
teleskiguy  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:50:15pm

re: #320 VegasGolfer

Can somebody make a list where Obama can earn money and not piss off dems, progs, bernie bots etc.

Carrying trays at Augusta National Golf Club?

339
jaunte  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:51:45pm

re: #320 VegasGolfer

Can somebody make a list where Obama can earn money and not piss off dems, progs, bernie bots etc.

Maybe he could bankrupt a college.

340
Pawn of the Oppressor  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:52:58pm

Following Trump’s hellishly weird excuse for logic, my guess is he’s pitching a nuclear “decapitation” first strike on Pyongyang. Big boom, kill the leadership, he gets a ratings boost for “solving North Korea”.

341
BeachDem  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:54:32pm

re: #335 Interesting Times

Okay, I gave you the most extreme BoB view for an example of one end of the scale…now here’s something more sensible and usable - Krystal Ball was a Bernie supporter but not a buster, and her timeline right now actually has a lot of stuff that (contrary to material posted on LGF earlier) suggests the “unity” tour is having positive results after all:

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I’ll be seeing (and hopefully meeting) Tom Perez tomorrow night—he’s the keynote at our state convention—yep, he’s coming to that low-information, dumb as dishwater southern state of south by dog carolina. (I think he’s leaving Bernie home.)

342
retired cynic  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:54:45pm

re: #337 Anymouse

I’m sorry, for all three of you.

343
Nyet  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:55:43pm
“Hey, I’m a nationalist and a globalist,” he said.

There goes yet another chunk of his electorate.

344
Stanley Sea  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:59:33pm
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Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2017 • 7:59:35pm

re: #320 VegasGolfer

Can somebody make a list where Obama can earn money and not piss off dems, progs, bernie bots etc.

Yeah, become a star big league sports player or entertainer. That’s pretty much the only acceptable path for black people who aren’t right wing Republicans.

346
Barefoot Grin  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:01:13pm

re: #186 BeachDem

The WaPo call it “lucrative”
The Hill says he’s “netting” $400,000
Investors dot com says he’s turned out to be a greedy one percenter
Vox says it will undermine everything
The Blaze calls it EYE-POPPING

Yes, they’re all in a frenzy. Only Ebony seems to get it:

Barack Obama Getting Paid $400,000 for a Speech, So What?

Some baseball players make $10,000 for an at-bat.

347
jaunte  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:01:17pm
348
Anymouse  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:01:36pm

re: #297 EPR-radar

That really was a steaming load of Obama Derangement Syndrome, wasn’t it?

Who the heck is that writer? Never heard of her.

And yes, it is a steaming load. Way bigger than the feedlots I passed today.

349
Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:02:28pm

re: #344 Stanley Sea

Lou Dobbs is an even bigger dickhead than Hannity. Fox really knows how to cultivate them.

350
SteveMcG RN  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:02:55pm

re: #344 Stanley Sea

That’s actually a good question. I often try to look t things from different perspectives and even try to take up the opposite side to try to understand things, but really, how can an educated person really believe something like that?

351
teleskiguy  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:03:43pm

Alex Jones custody trial.

352
Mattand  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:03:46pm

Trevor Noah just took the “Obama as the First Black President Should Remain Poor Forvever” fuckwads to the wood shed with a hearty “Fuck you.”

Good.

353
Anymouse  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:03:54pm

re: #342 retired cynic

I’m sorry, for all three of you.

Well, we’ll reserve judgement for the veterinarian’s telephone call tomorrow, but this doesn’t sound good.

354
SteveMcG RN  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:04:06pm

re: #347 jaunte

I guess that means Jared has another job now.

355
calochortus  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:04:42pm

re: #337 Anymouse

I’m sorry. But I think you have hit on the right question.

356
retired cynic  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:05:37pm

re: #353 Anymouse

Well, we’ll reserve judgement for the veterinarian’s telephone call tomorrow, but this doesn’t sound good.

I’ve been around this horn (not animal diabetes, but animal life) with hundreds of horses, cats and dogs, and you are right; it’s not good.

357
teleskiguy  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:05:42pm

re: #351 teleskiguy

358
jaunte  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:07:06pm
359
retired cynic  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:07:43pm

re: #358 jaunte

WTF NOW!????

360
jaunte  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:07:56pm
361
retired cynic  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:08:48pm

re: #360 jaunte

He is out of his MF-ing mind!

362
jaunte  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:09:08pm

“He also said he wants South Korea to pay the cost of the US Thaad anti-missile defence system, which he estimated at US$1 billion (S$1.4 billion), and intends to renegotiate or terminate a US free trade pact with South Korea because of a deep trade deficit with Seoul.”

Here we go again.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:09:41pm

re: #360 jaunte

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Hey, that wall ain’t gonna pay for itself. South Korea just finds itself as the latest target of a Drumpf cash-for-concrete scam.

364
Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:09:42pm

re: #357 teleskiguy

So, AJ pretended not to be harsh it crazy for nothing? Good.

I hope his career is dead.

365
ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:09:49pm

What’s Trump’s percentage on this South Korean strong-arm?

366
Mattand  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:10:22pm

re: #360 jaunte

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Should we 24-hour-rule this one? I know every time Trump opens his mouth we’re in Poe territory, but this seems a little off, even for him.

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Anymouse  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:10:36pm

Global warming can’t be happening, because it’s snowing on the High Plains in the Nebraska Panhandle in April. /s

368
jaunte  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:11:22pm
369
calochortus  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:11:36pm

re: #367 Anymouse

Global warming can’t be happening, because it’s snowing on the High Plains in the Nebraska Panhandle in April. /s

It will provide free pruning for any deciduous trees in the area.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:11:44pm

re: #337 Anymouse

y5hE3GdQxKSLUPLbihCL7nPZixrzT/1DkmSFzZr5i6CLtrpSf3qydhCrgQQeLu5nyxaUW8WeBoQHHz95f/fHzIuOVMMWFT5GBOcX2frAZusBx9u1hEvVti8q0KrKIpUbwC6NjexMxdwbtCEnphjeTW5QVoHNJ4Fp3ZJTdtlrQG14JNiXSoyC73r+b2OAXOFoNIIMikEkD1A=

371
thedopefishlives  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:11:57pm

re: #367 Anymouse

Global warming can’t be happening, because it’s snowing on the High Plains in the Nebraska Panhandle in April. /s

Fun fact: Only month it’s never snowed in MN is July. How long until that happens?

372
Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:11:59pm

re: #362 jaunte

Just make the check out to the Trump Organization. Donald will make sure it ends up in the right place.

But that damn Obama! Can you believe the nerve of that guy?

373
Mattand  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:13:07pm

re: #337 Anymouse

Hang in there.

374
Anymouse  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:13:35pm

re: #369 calochortus

It will provide free pruning for any deciduous trees in the area.

Yeah, our elm tree is starting to leaf out. It will also provide free pruning of any electric lines that branches fall on.

Two years ago we got snow on my birthday (at the end of May). Knocked out power for three days.

375
majii  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:13:52pm

re: #311 retired cynic
re: #306 BeachDem
“He’s speaking at Cantor Fitzgerald’s healthcare conference.”

and retired cynic:
“THANK YOU! (caps intended)”

If one listens to the critics, and I don’t, one would think they’re personally responsible for paying the $400,000 speaking fee. SMDH.

376
Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:14:25pm

re: #366 Mattand

Should we 24-hour-rule this one? I know every time Trump opens his mouth we’re in Poe territory, but this seems a little off, even for him.

The Asian markets haven’t tanked yet. Should be another interesting morning coming up.

377
ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:14:36pm

re: #366 Mattand

Should we 24-hour-rule this one? I know every time Trump opens his mouth we’re in Poe territory, but this seems a little off, even for him.

Didn’t he try to hit up Germany already? And German is his family background, right? So, why not Korea?

He seems to hold to his belief America got ripped off all these years on police actions around the world, so time to send out the bag men to collect for the “protection.”

378
Momkat56  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:15:51pm

re: #337 Anymouse

My thoughts are with you all

379
teleskiguy  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:17:30pm

Arkansas just got permission to torture a man to death.

380
Stanley Sea  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:18:05pm

re: #366 Mattand

Should we 24-hour-rule this one? I know every time Trump opens his mouth we’re in Poe territory, but this seems a little off, even for him.

I think this is on the AP interview tape. ??

381
Stanley Sea  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:18:24pm

re: #380 Stanley Sea

I think this is on the AP interview tape. ??

HE’S FUCKING ADDLED

382
Jebediah, RBG  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:18:25pm

re: #143 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Fuck. That. Shit.

God-damn right.

383
Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:19:00pm

re: #368 jaunte

So after first threatening north Korea, he then tries to extort money for defense from South Korea. There have to be laws against this.

384
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:19:33pm

re: #265 Momkat56

That brought back memories. Twenty-eight years ago we lost our little Katie shortly after birth, but we didn’t have much time to prepare for it. The only thing that kept me sane then was the knowledge that her eyes gave someone sight. Organ donation is a precious gift for all concerned.

Bless you for being able to make that decision in what I’m sure was an immense time of grief.

When one of my best friends died in a car crash, they were able to donate her corneas and knowing that she still lives on in some small way helps.

{{Momkat56}}

385
jaunte  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:19:37pm

re: #383 Skip Intro

It’s the Arms of Krupp gambit.

386
Barefoot Grin  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:20:14pm

It really isn’t good for my sleep habits to check in here at night. I go to sleep angry; then I wake up at 3AM knowing that the cards were stacked against me economically and that now another deck of cards has been added to the stack. I openly give the finger to [the back windows of] the many cars with Trump stickers around this town. Maybe nothing will happen, but I doubt it. The “trickle-down” assholes are out in full force.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:20:29pm

re: #383 Skip Intro

So after first threatening north Korea, he then tries to extort money for defense from South Korea. There have to be laws against this.

He just got his Koreas confused, that’s all.

//

388
teleskiguy  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:21:26pm

re: #379 teleskiguy

Death penalty states that apply lethal injection have for all intents and purposes run out of poison. So they’ve been getting creative with lethal injection cocktails with horrible results. Condemned folks gasping for air and writhing in pain for up to an hour while the injection is taking place is not uncommon. It’s torturing the condemned to death, pure and simple. A clear violation of the Eighth Amendment.

389
Anymouse  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:22:15pm

re: #386 Barefoot Grin

It really isn’t good for my sleep habits to check in here at night. I go to sleep angry; then I wake up at 3AM knowing that the cards were stacked against me economically and that now another deck of cards has been added to the stack. I openly give the finger to [the back windows of] the many cars with Trump stickers around this town. Maybe nothing will happen, but I doubt it. The “trickle-down” assholes are out in full force.

If I did that someone would roll my car over. I just keep gently reminding everyone of one Trump broken promise after another. I certainly won’t get through to everyone here, but you need to start somewhere changing minds.

390
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:22:59pm

Some breathing room, at least.

391
majii  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:23:17pm

re: #377 ObserverArt

“Didn’t he try to hit up Germany already? And German is his family background, right? So, why not Korea?”

Yes, he did, but he still lists an improvement of U.S. relations with other nations as one of his First 100 Days’ Achievements.

He’s sh*tt*ng all over the planet and calling it “WINNING,” and his sycophants are lapping it up and repeating it, and so are some journalists.

392
Stanley Sea  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:23:20pm

re: #386 Barefoot Grin

It really isn’t good for my sleep habits to check in here at night. I go to sleep angry; then I wake up at 3AM knowing that the cards were stacked against me economically and that now another deck of cards has been added to the stack. I openly give the finger to [the back windows of] the many cars with Trump stickers around this town. Maybe nothing will happen, but I doubt it. The “trickle-down” assholes are out in full force.

I wake up every morning to WTF now? And I’m always rewarded.

My mental health is a shitshow, along with all of you.

393
Anymouse  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:23:44pm

Thanks to everyone here for the kind posts about Felix Randomkitty to my wife and me.

I hope things will improve, but we’re prepared to hear the worst. It would appear that throwing money at this didn’t help much, but we’ll see.

394
thedopefishlives  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:23:47pm

re: #390 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Some breathing room, at least.

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Now, if only we could get them to agree to postpone voting on it until after the first 1460 days.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:24:49pm

re: #393 Anymouse

Thanks to everyone here for the kind posts about Felix Randomkitty to my wife and me.

I hope things will improve, but we’re prepared to hear the worst. It would appear that throwing money at this didn’t help much, but we’ll see.

Sometimes you don’t know. Sometimes the comfort you can take is that you did what you could, instead of simply giving up at the first sign of trouble.

I hope the news tomorrow is good or barring that, the decisions clear.

396
retired cynic  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:26:19pm

re: #395 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Sometimes you don’t know. Sometimes the comfort you can take is that you did what you could, instead of simply giving up at the first sign of trouble.

I hope the news tomorrow is good or barring that, the decisions clear.

Klys gives better commentary than I did. This evening’s news has me too far down. Sorry.

397
ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:27:17pm

Time to slide out…and tomorrow is Friday. It’s always interesting on Dump Day Friday with the Trump Admin. So we brace ourselves.

398
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:28:10pm

re: #397 ObserverArt

Time to slide out…and tomorrow is Friday. It’s always interesting on Dump Day Friday with the Trump Admin. So we brace ourselves.

In CL’s memory, I am devoting tomorrow afternoon to arts and crafts.

And probably at least some reading here but dammit. Arts and crafts.

I’ll post pictures.

399
majii  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:28:37pm

re: #388 teleskiguy

“Death penalty states that apply lethal injection have for all intents and purposes run out of poison.”

My wish is that European drug manufacturers who have warned them not to use their products in executions would stop selling them in America. They made exceptions on those drugs for patient care only to discover that officials in Arkansas’s prison system used back-door sources to obtain the drugs.

400
Cheechako  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:30:12pm

Well, this Korea mess goes back to yesterday. dtrump managed to round up all his Senate Serfs and have them meet at his castle. dtrump and his staff gave the serfs all the lowdown on the “Korea Problem”. Since dtrump isn’t the sharpest tack in the box, he now probably believes just because he met with the Senate Serfs he now has permission to do what he wants with the 2 Korea’s. You know, that “advise” stuff.

Oh, and now it looks like a chance for USA Inc to make a profit.

401
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:30:25pm
402
caseyjr  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:30:53pm

re: #314 EPR-radar

I’m not old enough to have that excuse. The last time I voted (R) in a presidential election was in 2000. At least that was in CA where this error didn’t matter.

the last time I voted R was Dole ‘96. The cynical and depraved thirst for power in evidence during the Clinton impeachment put me off the R party forever.
I’ve always been a registered Independent/no party person.

403
teleskiguy  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:31:40pm

Shiplord Kirel has offered his death penalty fix here a number of times, and I happen to think it’s a good idea. Each member of the jury and the judge hold a lanyard which is attached to a guillotine blade. Every lanyard must be pulled or the condemned lives and serves a life sentence for their crimes.

404
Jebediah, RBG  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:31:41pm

re: #166 goddamnedfrank

Anyone claiming her shenanigans wouldn’t have been used to great effect against Saint Bernie in the general is higher than I am about to be.

405
Anymouse  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:32:16pm
406
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:33:20pm

re: #399 majii

“Death penalty states that apply lethal injection have for all intents and purposes run out of poison.”

My wish is that European drug manufacturers who have warned them not to use their products in executions would stop selling them in America. They made exceptions on those drugs for patient care only to discover that officials in Arkansas’s prison system used back-door sources to obtain the drugs.

There are people who would genuinely suffer without access to those drugs. Anymouse has certainly talked about his medication.

There aren’t good answers here, beyond the obvious of prosecuting officials who use backdoor sources, but I’m not sure under what grounds you’d be able to do so or if you could find a prosecutor willing to do so in those states. (It shouldn’t be difficult but I suspect it would be.)

407
Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:33:52pm

re: #348 Anymouse

Who the heck is that writer? Never heard of her.

And yes, it is a steaming load. Way bigger than the feedlots I passed today.

Of course you haven’t. It’s just someone posting on Medium.

408
teleskiguy  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:34:39pm

If you’re on a jury and you sentence a person to death, you should be required to witness the death and if convenient be a part of the killing.

409
Anymouse  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:37:20pm

re: #399 majii

“Death penalty states that apply lethal injection have for all intents and purposes run out of poison.”

My wish is that European drug manufacturers who have warned them not to use their products in executions would stop selling them in America. They made exceptions on those drugs for patient care only to discover that officials in Arkansas’s prison system used back-door sources to obtain the drugs.

At the very beginning of Barack Obama’s presidency, several states used my epilepsy medication (Phenobarbital) as an execution drug.

The EU responded by banning its manufacturer (Lundbeck, in Denmark) from selling the medication to the USA.

The medication is used for a few tens of thousands of us for whom no other drug will work, and widely used to stop a condition called status epilepticus (continuous, fatal seizures) brought on by epilepsy, head injury, diseases, &c.

President Obama made a humanitarian appeal to the EU to reconsider, and the EU responded by requiring anyone living in a death penalty state to sign an affidavit stating they would not sell or give the drug to state prisons or other such facilities.

I suspect that with the drying up of death penalty drugs, conservative states will again turn to Phenobarbital. It has a proven track record with the Nazis in Aktion T4, which is part of the reason they used it for the death penalty. The therapeutic dosage is very close to the lethal dosage.

410
Interesting Times  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:37:38pm

re: #403 teleskiguy

Shiplord Kirel has offered his death penalty fix here a number of times, and I happen to think it’s a good idea. Each member of the jury and the judge hold a lanyard which is attached to a guillotine blade. Every lanyard must be pulled or the condemned lives and serves a life sentence for their crimes.

Romantic Heretic had an even better idea:

Should the death penalty be returned to Canada I will lobby to have the method of execution be a pistol bullet in the back of the head and that the position of executioner be filled by conscription. Any person eligible to vote could receive a letter that reads, “On this date you will report to this prison by this time where you will execute this person.”

The bullet is because it’s messy and personal so people can’t kid themselves about what they’ve done.

Conscription is so that people have to do their own killing. No hiding behind other people.

411
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:41:28pm

I’m hungry and I keep looking at the picture of that mushroom soup that ww posted a while back.

Argh.

412
majii  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:45:26pm

re: #392 Stanley Sea

“My mental health is a shitshow, along with all of you.”

I was diagnosed with clinical depression in 1995 and have been on several anti-depressants since then. My latest med is Pristiq. I had a doctor’s appointment today and informed my him that the Pristiq is no longer working and neither is the Lunesta he prescribed to help me get some much-needed rest. He gave me about a month’s worth of samples of Trintellix to try. I’m going to try it, and see if it helps. If it doesn’t, I don’t know what my next step will be in dealing with my depression. I do know, though, that it got worse after Trump was elected POTUS. On a conscious level, I try not to worry about the next dumb thing he will say/do, but I know at a subconscious level, the answer to that question never really leaves my mind. I’m trying to complete the remodeling on my home. I’ve ordered new furnishings, blinds, lamps, and other things, but I don’t have the motivation to hang new curtains, put new mattresses in place, hang new mirrors, put up a new door-sized storage rack, a new rack for pots and pans and do lots and lots of other things that sorely need doing. After I complete these tasks, I need to use my Bissell to clean my tile floors in different areas of the house. I bought the machine over a year ago, and it’s still in the box. I’ve been doing the floors using a spin mop system, but I can’t keep doing that because of back and hip problems.

413
Interesting Times  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:49:07pm

re: #410 Interesting Times

On second thought, if this scenario were ever attempted in the US, it would be turned into a twisted reality tv show, be YUUUGE in the ratings, and filled with sneering, gloating audience members in “fuck your feelings” T-shirts shouting “Kill! Kill! Kill!” at reluctant executioner conscripts :/

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Stanley Sea  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:50:56pm

re: #412 majii

(((majii))) Major hugs.

It is hard. Very hard. My online thought to you is that you and me get the strength we need.

I wish I lived by you, I’d come & help with all of it. It would help me and you at the same time.

415
teleskiguy  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:51:46pm

re: #413 Interesting Times

On second thought, if this scenario were ever attempted in the US, it would be turned into a twisted reality tv show, be YUUUGE in the ratings, and filled with sneering, gloating audience members in “fuck your feelings” T-shirts shouting “Kill! Kill! Kill!” at reluctant executioner conscripts :/

I say bring it back! Americans are fucking barbarians, let’s get serious! Public hangings, firing squads, letting loose a few starved tigers on the condemned during halftime. We need to get fucking serious!

416
Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:52:23pm

re: #357 teleskiguy

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:53:16pm

re: #413 Interesting Times

On second thought, if this scenario were ever attempted in the US, it would be turned into a twisted reality tv show, be YUUUGE in the ratings, and filled with sneering, gloating audience members in “fuck your feelings” T-shirts shouting “Kill! Kill! Kill!” at reluctant executioner conscripts :/

Not far from the truth. High profile executions in Texas regularly attract celebratory mobs who get as close to the prison as possible to hoot, screech, wave frying pans (a legacy of electric chair times), and hold up various disgusting signs.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 27, 2017 • 8:56:28pm

Don’t make us CL Charles! Ugh.

I can’t believe she’s gone.

419
Jebediah, RBG  Apr 27, 2017 • 9:40:18pm

re: #176 BeachDem

Ours is fatter.


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Ten Sailors Missing After U.S. Warship, Tanker Collide Near Singapore SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Ten sailors are missing after a U.S. warship collided with an oil tanker east of Singapore before dawn on Monday, tearing a hole beneath the waterline and flooding compartments that include a crew sleeping area, the ...
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University of Texas Removes Four Confederate Statues Overnight AUSTIN, Texas — University of Texas President Greg Fenves ordered the immediate removal of statues of Robert E. Lee and other prominent Confederate figures from a main area of campus, saying such monuments have become "symbols of modern white ...
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Why You Can’t Take a Flag to a National Cemetery Why You Can't Take a Flag to Arlington (or other national veteran cemeteries) Stars and Stripes, reprinting with permission an article from the Washington Post, explains why you cannot take a flag to Arlington National Cemetery (or any other ...
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Another Democrat Starting Trump Impeachment Process Come on guys, get behind the bill. All of us. we should get behind this bill as it emerges as fast as we attacked the BCA. Following Donald Trump’s equivocating of white supremacists and those who oppose them in ...
Unshaken Defiance
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How Militias Became the Private Police for White Supremacists Magazine Guns to a protest? Clubs? We can not tolerate anti American militias. The bloody weekend in Charlottesville that began with several hundred chanting white supremacists on a torch-lit march will long be remembered for the searing image of a ...
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Starting in 2018, Police Dogs Injured in the Line of Duty Can Be Transported by EMS to Veterinary Clinics ST. CLAIR COUNTY, IL – Ambulances are for people. It’s always been the law of the land. In Illinois, it'll soon be "almost always". Illinois Governor, Bruce Rauner, signed House Bill 2661, Tuesday. It will allow police dogs to ...
Birth Control Works
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The New War on Birth Control - Pacific Standard Although it wasn't clear at the time, the attack on Phillips marked the beginning of a new anti-contraception movement—conceived in the U.S., but unfolding in Africa, where women's frustrations with the dearth of safe, effective family planning options are ...
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M83 - Do It, Try It (David Wilson Video) M83 - Do It, Try It video by David Wilson. Following the video's premiere at Sundance Next Fest it is now available to watch online. The track is taken from M83's seventh studio album Junk, available to buy & ...
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Marvel’s the Defenders It’s all coming together. Learn about The Defenders from the stars themselves: Charlie Cox, Krysten Ritter, Mike Colter and Finn Jones. Marvel’s The Defenders premieres globally August 18, 2017, only on Netflix. Watch The Defenders on Netflix: netflix.com SUBSCRIBE: ...
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AG Madigan Issues Guidelines for Responding to Sexual Assault Crimes “We took a comprehensive look at why sexual assault survivors rarely report their crimes to law enforcement, and it was clear that our criminal justice system can and must respond, investigate and better support survivors,” Illinois Attorney General Lisa ...
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