The New Yorker: How Trump Could Get Fired

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Removing Donald Trump from office may seem like a long shot, but then nothing about the Trump Horror is normal and long shots seem to be coming true every day. Evan Osnos has a thoughtful piece at The New Yorker on this subject that I highly recommend, titled: How Trump Could Get Fired.

Trump’s approval rating is forty per cent—the lowest of any newly elected President since Gallup started measuring it. Even before Trump entered the White House, the F.B.I. and four congressional committees were investigating potential collusion between his associates and the Russian government. Since then, Trump’s daughter Ivanka and her husband, Jared Kushner, have become senior White House officials, prompting intense criticism over potential conflicts of interest involving their private businesses. Between October and March, the U.S. Office of Government Ethics received more than thirty-nine thousand public inquiries and complaints, an increase of five thousand per cent over the same period at the start of the Obama Administration. Nobody occupies the White House without criticism, but Trump is besieged by doubts of a different order, centering on the overt, specific, and, at times, bipartisan discussion of whether he will be engulfed by any one of myriad problems before he has completed even one term in office—and, if he is, how he might be removed.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 4, 2017 • 10:50:06am

I’m not gonna hold my breath. Things are going to get a whole bunch shittier before they start getting better.

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Dr. Matt  May 4, 2017 • 10:51:07am

Let.This.Sink.In

These scumbags had over 7 years to create a bill that will impact 1/6th of our economy. 100% fucking incompetent.

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Charles Johnson  May 4, 2017 • 10:52:28am
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Sir John Barron  May 4, 2017 • 10:53:37am

re: #2 Dr. Matt

Let.This.Sink.In

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These scumbags had over 7 years to create a bill that will impact 1/6th of our economy. 100% fucking incompetent.

Feature, not a bug, etc…..

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Dr. Matt  May 4, 2017 • 10:55:58am

BBL

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Skip Intro  May 4, 2017 • 10:57:31am

Demented, deranged, or just stupid, Trump is giving the GOP everything they’ve wanted since the implementation of the income tax. They’re never going to kill this golden goose.

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gocart mozart  May 4, 2017 • 10:57:49am
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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 10:59:01am

re: #8 gocart mozart

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“I’ve dreamed of fucking over millions of Americans from the minute I first read Ayn Rand because I’m a cumbucket asshole.”

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Big Beautiful Door  May 4, 2017 • 10:59:37am

Looks like they are currently voting on the bill to not exempt members from the AHCA. So far its unanimous.

yahoo.com

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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 10:59:57am

Republican monsters prepare to celebrate.

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Bubblehead II  May 4, 2017 • 11:00:38am

Looks like the amendment to close the “we get to keep our ACA insurance, you don’t” loop hole is going to pass. No nay votes and only one present at this time

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ObserverArt  May 4, 2017 • 11:00:46am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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The GOP are assholes!!!

Don’t hold back. Not the time.

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Kragar  May 4, 2017 • 11:01:09am
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Targetpractice  May 4, 2017 • 11:01:40am

re: #8 gocart mozart

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“We pledged to our wealthy donors to fuck over tens of millions of Americans in order to give them a huge tax cut…oh shit, I wasn’t supposed to read that part aloud.”

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Sir John Barron  May 4, 2017 • 11:02:34am

re: #11 jaunte

Republican monsters prepare to celebrate.

Do they know there’s an upper house of congress that has to pass the thing, too?

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Sir John Barron  May 4, 2017 • 11:03:06am

re: #9 HappyWarrior

“I’ve dreamed of fucking over millions of Americans from the minute I first read Ayn Rand because I’m a cumbucket asshole.”

Also here is my great pro-life voting record…..

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FormerDirtDart  May 4, 2017 • 11:03:20am
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The Vicious Babushka  May 4, 2017 • 11:03:42am

THIS DAUGHTER FUCKER==>

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  May 4, 2017 • 11:04:35am

Trump will be impeached and removed from office but not until Republican tax cuts are passed to benefit the 0.1% most of all, Obamacare riddled with bullets and left for dead, and a Stupid wall started that will never be finished….within 2 1/2 years the USA will be in a Recession- the last solid Recession we had was the post-Bush debacle (yes, acerbated by tax cuts once again) ad we are due for one. But Trump’s Base has no tolerance for a Recession. They expect magic Republican unicorn economic theory, direct JEEZUS intervention, and magical fairy tax cuts to deliver eternal economic utopia. They have no built-in coping mechanism to deal with a strong Recession caused by a Republican/Trump dominated government. There will be pitchforks and torches in the streets by 2020.

In short, Trump will be dragged from his office, but not before a whole shitload of pain is delivered to the very sector of our population that voted him into office in the first place.

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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 11:04:38am
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piratedan  May 4, 2017 • 11:04:58am

re: #16 Sir John Barron

you may wish to put your faith in Mitch McConnell and and Lindsey Graham, I’ll pass on that… outside of Murkowski, I would expect all of the GOP to “get on board” with the political kabuki of showing that uppity 44 what he can do with his healthcare.

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Targetpractice  May 4, 2017 • 11:05:03am

re: #16 Sir John Barron

Do they know there’s an upper house of congress that has to pass the thing, too?

They’re celebrating that the weight is finally off their shoulders and onto their Senate pals, who now get the deal with the pressure of reelection on one side and Trump’s demands for a “win” on the other.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 11:05:33am

re: #19 The Vicious Babushka

THIS DAUGHTER FUCKER==>

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Sick of this bullying chode face.

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FormerDirtDart  May 4, 2017 • 11:05:35am
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Charles Johnson  May 4, 2017 • 11:06:10am

It’s going to pass the House.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 11:06:12am

How many nos do we need to stop this?

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FormerDirtDart  May 4, 2017 • 11:06:44am
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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 11:07:15am

re: #28 FormerDirtDart

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Damn it.

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Targetpractice  May 4, 2017 • 11:07:29am

re: #28 FormerDirtDart

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Just enough to pass, thus freeing up several “moderate” Republicans to vote “No” to save their asses next year.

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Sir John Barron  May 4, 2017 • 11:07:47am

re: #28 FormerDirtDart

How many R’s are in the House? 250+?

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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 11:08:02am
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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 11:08:13am

re: #30 Targetpractice

Just enough to pass, thus freeing up several “moderate” Republicans to vote “No” to save their asses next year.

Comstock *cough*.

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Sir John Barron  May 4, 2017 • 11:09:05am

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Comstock *cough*.

Comstock’s a “Nay”? Probably because the bill is insufficiently mean.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 11:09:31am

re: #32 jaunte

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Such Christian people the GOP.

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FormerDirtDart  May 4, 2017 • 11:09:38am
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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 11:10:16am

re: #34 Sir John Barron

Comstock’s a “Nay”? Probably because the bill is insufficiently mean.

Yeah last I heard. I can’t stand her. She makes nice with my niece and yet she belongs to a party that treats Hispanics like her like they can never be real Americans.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 11:10:40am

re: #36 FormerDirtDart

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I’m glad I’m going out tonight.

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Timothy Watson  May 4, 2017 • 11:11:34am

re: #11 jaunte

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Republican monsters prepare to celebrate.

Celebrating with Bud Light? They really are monsters.

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meteor  May 4, 2017 • 11:11:55am

re: #35 HappyWarrior

They blaspheme every time they open their mouths.

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FormerDirtDart  May 4, 2017 • 11:11:59am

re: #31 Sir John Barron

How many R’s are in the House? 250+?

238 Rep. 193 Dem, 4 vacant

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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 11:12:24am
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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 11:12:40am

Paul Ryan in 2009: “I don’t think we should pass bills that we haven’t read, that we don’t know what they cost.”

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Charles Johnson  May 4, 2017 • 11:13:37am

Voting just started and it’s already at 185 yes votes from Republicans. It will pass, no doubt.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 11:14:03am

re: #42 jaunte

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Fucking smug asshole.

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Jenner7  May 4, 2017 • 11:14:18am

I am so angry right now.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 4, 2017 • 11:15:12am

re: #44 Charles Johnson

Voting just started and it’s already at 185 yes votes from Republicans. It will pass, no doubt.

There wouldn’t have been a vote if it wasn’t going to pass.

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Charles Johnson  May 4, 2017 • 11:15:16am

Probably going to pass in the next few minutes. Now at 202 yes.

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Bubblehead II  May 4, 2017 • 11:15:31am

18 republicans have voted Nay

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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 11:15:31am
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FormerDirtDart  May 4, 2017 • 11:15:36am
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Big Beautiful Door  May 4, 2017 • 11:16:00am

Two Democrats have voted yes?!

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Bubblehead II  May 4, 2017 • 11:16:10am

2 Democrats have voted Yea

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Charles Johnson  May 4, 2017 • 11:16:45am
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FormerDirtDart  May 4, 2017 • 11:16:59am

re: #53 Bubblehead II

2 Democrats have voted Yea

now 1, hopefully in error

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Charles Johnson  May 4, 2017 • 11:17:16am

There it is. Done.

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Targetpractice  May 4, 2017 • 11:17:21am

Delete

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FormerDirtDart  May 4, 2017 • 11:17:24am

re: #55 FormerDirtDart

now 1, hopefully in error

Now none

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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 11:17:25am
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Bubblehead II  May 4, 2017 • 11:17:35am

It passed. We’re screwed.

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Interesting Times  May 4, 2017 • 11:17:43am

re: #53 Bubblehead II

2 Democrats have voted Yea

Great, now we’ll have to deal with endless pundit blathering about how it passed with bipartisan support!!11!!

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Big Beautiful Door  May 4, 2017 • 11:18:13am

re: #60 Bubblehead II

It passed. We’re screwed.

No, it only means that the hot potato has been passed to McConnell.

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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 11:18:48am
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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 11:18:58am

This will probably help regaining Congress in 2018 but A) it’s no guarantee and B) more importantly, I don’t want people to suffer to realize how much GOP policies suck.

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Barefoot Grin  May 4, 2017 • 11:18:59am

re: #62 Big Beautiful Door

No, it only means that the hot potato has been passed to McConnell.

I wonder how many of them voted with their fingers crossed that the senate defeats or radically alters it.

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Bubblehead II  May 4, 2017 • 11:19:01am

re: #61 Interesting Times

Great, now we’ll have to deal with endless pundit blathering about how it passed with bipartisan support!!11!!

Actually, in the end, no Democrats voted for it and 20 Republicans voted against it.

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b.d.  May 4, 2017 • 11:19:10am

re: #39 Timothy Watson

Celebrating with Bud Light? They really are monsters.

They aren’t even celebrating with an American beer.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 11:19:33am

re: #67 b.d.

They aren’t even celebrating with an American beer.

What do you expect, their candidate was the Moscovite Candidate.

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Sir John Barron  May 4, 2017 • 11:19:54am

re: #58 FormerDirtDart

Now none

Must say that’s pretty impressive. No Dems votes. Usually can count on half a dozen or more to prove how centrist they are.

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Kragar  May 4, 2017 • 11:20:30am
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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 11:20:31am

re: #69 Sir John Barron

Must say that’s pretty impressive. No Dems votes. Usually can count on half a dozen or more to prove how centrist they are.

And ironically those are often from the areas that get hit worst by GOP policies.

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Charles Johnson  May 4, 2017 • 11:20:37am
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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 11:20:49am
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The Vicious Babushka  May 4, 2017 • 11:20:53am

THIS WILL BE THE MAIN TAKEAWAY FOR THE MEDIA

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Timothy Watson  May 4, 2017 • 11:21:00am

re: #64 HappyWarrior

This will probably help regaining Congress in 2018 but A) it’s no guarantee and B) more importantly, I don’t want people to suffer to realize how much GOP policies suck.

And repassing the ACA will be impossible because the GOP will probably have control of the Senate and/or Trump will simply veto.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 11:21:18am

re: #70 Kragar

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Fucking classless assholes. I wouldn’t expect anything more from the party that gave us Trump and Reagan and Nixon.

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FormerDirtDart  May 4, 2017 • 11:22:00am
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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 11:22:12am

re: #75 Timothy Watson

And repassing the ACA will be impossible because the GOP will probably have control of the Senate and/or Trump will simply veto.

Exactly. Man I’m pissed off all over again that Clinton lost. Thanks far left assholes. I hope having a fucking tantrum over Bernie and Stein was worth it.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 4, 2017 • 11:22:34am

re: #75 Timothy Watson

And repassing the ACA will be impossible because the GOP will probably have control of the Senate and/or Trump will simply veto.

That’s assuming the AHCA passes the Senate, which seems unlikely.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 4, 2017 • 11:23:09am

re: #77 FormerDirtDart

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I bet they were singing goodbye to him.

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FormerDirtDart  May 4, 2017 • 11:23:26am

Count means one Republican did not vote, by tradition it would be Ryan

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Kragar  May 4, 2017 • 11:23:36am
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KGxvi  May 4, 2017 • 11:25:22am

From the article up top:

I asked Jerry Taylor, the president of the Niskanen Center, a libertarian think tank, if he had ever seen so much skepticism so early in a Presidency. “No, nobody has,” he said. “But we’ve never lived in a Third World banana republic. I don’t mean that gratuitously. I mean the reality is he is governing as if he is the President of a Third World country: power is held by family and incompetent loyalists whose main calling card is the fact that Donald Trump can trust them, not whether they have any expertise.”

Interestingly enough, the Niskanen Center posted a libertarian case for Sanders during the primaries by Will Wilkerson. And reading some of their stuff, they don’t actually appear to be glibertarians like, say, Heritage. For example, they’ve an article arguing that it’s the quality of government, not the size of government that is best in determining liberty. And another arguing for an expansion of the earned income tax credit as, basically, wage subsidies.

I might have to check these guys out a bit more, but they seem like my kind of libertarians.

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Scottish Dragon  May 4, 2017 • 11:25:33am

re: #72 Charles Johnson

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I am going to the office of my piece of shit rep sometime next week and I am going to cause a real, real ugly scene.

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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 11:25:42am
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Targetpractice  May 4, 2017 • 11:25:48am

re: #79 Big Beautiful Door

That’s assuming the AHCA passes the Senate, which seems unlikely.

Only way the Senate will pass the bill is if McConnell nukes the filibuster into dust. There’s no fucking way that this bill can pass in present form and any bill that could win 60 votes would be DOA when it was sent back to the House.

So now we see if Yertle is prepared to walk the plank.

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Sir John Barron  May 4, 2017 • 11:25:52am

re: #81 FormerDirtDart

Count means one Republican did not vote, by tradition it would be Ryan

The Daily Caller sounds happy.

“The bill passed!!!!”

“What does the bill do? How many people does it leave uninsured?”

“The bill passed!!!!! The bill passed!!!!”

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Kragar  May 4, 2017 • 11:26:19am
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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 11:26:24am

Reporting of rapes will go down, because who can afford to report it?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 11:26:28am

re: #8 gocart mozart

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KGxvi  May 4, 2017 • 11:27:10am

re: #57 Targetpractice

Delete

Matt Hardy DELETE DELETE DELETE

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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 11:27:14am

Republicans are eager to let all kinds of nasty shit happen as long as they don’t have to hear about it.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 11:27:32am

re: #9 HappyWarrior

“I’ve dreamed of fucking over millions of Americans from the minute I first read Ayn Rand because I’m a cumbucket asshole.”

You’re going to get in trouble for the whoreophobic rant. #FireHappyWarrior
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Scottish Dragon  May 4, 2017 • 11:28:19am

re: #92 jaunte

Republicans are eager to let all kinds of nasty shit happen as long as they don’t have to hear about it.

Because Free Market Jesus rewards the faithful and punishes the poor, the lame and the sick.

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danarchy  May 4, 2017 • 11:29:29am

re: #86 Targetpractice

Only way the Senate will pass the bill is if McConnell nukes the filibuster into dust. There’s no fucking way that this bill can pass in present form and any bill that could win 60 votes would be DOA when it was sent back to the House.

So now we see if Yertle is prepared to walk the plank.

I think the plan is to use the reconciliation process to pass it so it only needs 51. I think it will still be a tough sell.

Also depending on what changes they made to get it passed it may no longer be eligible for reconciliation.

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Kragar  May 4, 2017 • 11:29:31am
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2017 • 11:29:47am

Reminder: our reaction now determines how this goes in the Senate.

Other reminder: this bill is deeply, DEEPLY unpopular with the majority of the American public.

Work’s not done.

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FormerDirtDart  May 4, 2017 • 11:30:18am
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Birth Control Works  May 4, 2017 • 11:30:53am

remember folks, anything you tweet that is remotely connected with #waronwomen, please use the hashtag. We have to keep this out in the forefront.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 11:31:02am

re: #97 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Reminder: our reaction now determines how this goes in the Senate.

Other reminder: this bill is deeply, DEEPLY unpopular with the majority of the American public.

Work’s not done.

Good point.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 11:31:23am

re: #36 FormerDirtDart

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FormerDirtDart  May 4, 2017 • 11:32:08am

The scene greeting House Republicans as they leave the vote. Chants of “shame, shame.”

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Sir John Barron  May 4, 2017 • 11:32:59am

re: #36 FormerDirtDart

Does DT know there’s a Senate?

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gocart mozart  May 4, 2017 • 11:33:13am
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Big Beautiful Door  May 4, 2017 • 11:33:14am

re: #95 danarchy

I think the plan is to use the reconciliation process to pass it so it only needs 51. It think it will still be a tough sell.

And we still don’t know if the Senate Parliamentarian will rule that the whole bill qualifies for reconciliation.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  May 4, 2017 • 11:34:12am

re: #105 Big Beautiful Door

And we still don’t know if the Senate Parliamentarian will rule that the whole bill qualifies for reconciliation.

The CBO Score will have to be favorable for that to happen, and I don’t think that would be expected.

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nines09  May 4, 2017 • 11:34:41am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Much worse. They are evil. This I know from their actions. Evil acts this way. Foot on the throat of those less fortunate than you and you gut them. And get a nice payday for it. Evil MF’ers. Period.

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Birth Control Works  May 4, 2017 • 11:34:46am

re: #92 jaunte

Republicans are eager to let all kinds of nasty shit happen as long as they don’t have to hear about it.

aka —rent boys

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  May 4, 2017 • 11:34:48am

re: #101 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

And here we are, in some sort of Bizarro-world created by decades of indoctrination by Republicans and Fox News, where a sitting President can openly celebrate the fact that millions are going to lose their Healthcare with this legislation…. and still be supported by about 35% of the public.

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FormerDirtDart  May 4, 2017 • 11:35:42am

re: #103 Sir John Barron

Does DT know there’s a Senate?

none of that matters, current “optics” is everything
WE WON, WE WON!!!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 11:35:43am

re: #88 Kragar

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Myron Falwell  May 4, 2017 • 11:35:53am

I’m as furious as pretty much everyone else is right now. Normally I don’t rant tweet, or try not to.

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Birth Control Works  May 4, 2017 • 11:36:51am
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jeffreyw  May 4, 2017 • 11:36:52am
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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 11:37:28am

re: #113 Birth Control Works

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So pathetically out of touch with reality just like Dad.

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Stanley Sea  May 4, 2017 • 11:38:28am
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Myron Falwell  May 4, 2017 • 11:39:45am

re: #102 FormerDirtDart

I expect all of their scheduled town hall meetings to be quietly cancelled by the end of the week, give or take. Something yadda yadda security costs.

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Sir John Barron  May 4, 2017 • 11:39:57am

re: #116 Stanley Sea

How is a public celebration of a bill that is only a third of the way to passage a good idea? To say this is premature is an understatement

— Chuck Todd

Have you met the GOP?

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KGxvi  May 4, 2017 • 11:40:03am

re: #116 Stanley Sea

Atlanta was preparing a parade route at the start of the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl. Oakland was setting one up after Game 5 of the NBA finals. I mean, it’s not like anything “bad” could happen from here, right?

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 4, 2017 • 11:40:31am

Somewhere, some pundit is typing up a column or blog post or tweet, blaming the passage today of an EVEN WORSE bill on the Left pointing and laughing at Trump and the House GOP when this shit failed before.

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Scottish Dragon  May 4, 2017 • 11:40:35am

Just had a very long and nasty conversation with the fucking idiot hired to do healthcare policy for Congressman Budd. I finally told hiim to fuck off.

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FormerDirtDart  May 4, 2017 • 11:40:51am
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Interesting Times  May 4, 2017 • 11:40:59am

re: #117 Myron Falwell

I expect all of their scheduled town hall meetings to be quietly cancelled by the end of the week, give or take. Something yadda yadda security costs.

I wonder if a whole heap of them have lucrative lobbying contracts lined up, and won’t even bother running for reelection…

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 11:41:29am

And on cue the Sanders hacks i know are going we should have nominated Bernie. Really that’s your fucking response to this shit show? They may be as bad as the right IMO since they’d rather bitch about how we didn’t nominate someone who didn’t receive a majority of the vote in our primary than actually be mad at what happened today. Fuck the right and far left both with the same nail. You have a right to be disappointed but you don’t have any right to hold our party hostage over a man who’s too much of a coward to even join it.

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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 11:41:36am

re: #121 Scottish Dragon

DId he “not understand” the problems inherent in the bill, or not care?

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Scottish Dragon  May 4, 2017 • 11:42:20am

re: #125 jaunte

DId he “not understand” the problems inherent in the bill, or not care?

He didn’t care. Kept saying “We obviously don’t agree” and “It’s not perfect”.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 11:42:59am

re: #126 Scottish Dragon

He didn’t care. Kept saying “We obviously don’t agree” and “It’s not perfect”.

By it’s not perfect, he means it doesn’t make people suffer enough obviously.

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lawhawk  May 4, 2017 • 11:43:22am

Only the fucking GOP would cheer and party about the passage of a bill that deprives millions of health care coverage and ruins the coverage for everyone with employer based plans because it weakens/eliminates protections for preexisting conditions.

The GOP will forever be known as a party that ruined health care for ALL Americans.

No wait. Check that - the GOP excluded Congress from their hateful/spiteful/deplorable fuckery.

Now, it’s on to the Senate, and no doubt McConnell will feel the heat to deliver this crap sandwich on a platter for Trump to sign.

I don’t trust any of the GOP to do the right thing here. They’ve already proven that they’re willing to ignore every iota of common sense to push for the massive tax cuts for their sugar daddies/corporate donors/dark money PACs.

I also don’t trust voters to fix this in the midterms. They’ve already shown that they’re willing to accept the Trump con.

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FormerDirtDart  May 4, 2017 • 11:43:23am
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GlutenFreeJesus  May 4, 2017 • 11:43:31am

re: #101 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  May 4, 2017 • 11:43:46am

re: #115 HappyWarrior

So pathetically out of touch with reality just like Dad.

No, Ivanka is just out of touch with 99.99% of most people’s reality. Donald is something much worse. Something much more dangerous.

He is an Empty Vessel into which any advice or information can be poured into by the right hands. The people that can pour information into this empty vessel are the same sort of people who Donald identifies as with his own father- wealthy, absolutist, and unconcerned with the reality of the 99.99%… And most important of all, those willing to pour unending and flattering compliments in his direction with no sense of will for correction for terrible behavior.

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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 11:43:49am
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EPR-radar  May 4, 2017 • 11:43:52am

re: #116 Stanley Sea

Also, I think it inaccurate to say this bill is only 1/3 of the way to being passed. Trump signing it is certain, so that makes it 2/3 procedurally. The Senate is the only obstacle, but will Senate Republicans really be able to resist the temptation of this giant tax cut for the rich?

Passing this with 51 GOP votes in the Senate under reconciliation seems to be a distinct possibility. An unfavorable CBO score can be evaded by overruling the Senate parliamentarian on a party-line vote. This way McConnell could pass this abomination without getting rid of the legislative filibuster.

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BeachDem  May 4, 2017 • 11:44:16am

re: #113 Birth Control Works

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Didn’t need to read any further than the first line about Ms. Trump’s brand’s progressive image before vomiting.

Since when does her “brand” have a progressive image?

Go home, Maggie Haberman, you’re drunk on Trump juice.

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FormerDirtDart  May 4, 2017 • 11:44:28am
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Myron Falwell  May 4, 2017 • 11:44:38am

re: #123 Interesting Times

I wonder if a whole heap of them have lucrative lobbying contracts lined up, and won’t even bother running for reelection…

Why not? They’ll follow Chaffetz’ lead right out the door, literally living off the spoils.

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nines09  May 4, 2017 • 11:44:41am

re: #128 lawhawk

Only the fucking GOP would cheer and party about the passage of a bill that deprives millions of health care coverage and ruins the coverage for everyone with employer based plans because it weakens/eliminates protections for preexisting conditions.

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The GOP will forever be known as a party that ruined health care for ALL Americans.

No wait. Check that - the GOP excluded Congress from their hateful/spiteful/deplorable fuckery.

Now, it’s on to the Senate, and no doubt McConnell will feel the heat to deliver this crap sandwich on a platter for Trump to sign.

I don’t trust any of the GOP to do the right thing here. They’ve already proven that they’re willing to ignore every iota of common sense to push for the massive tax cuts for their sugar daddies/corporate donors/dark money PACs.

I also don’t trust voters to fix this in the midterms. They’ve already shown that they’re willing to accept the Trump con.

On National Day Of Prayer. Let that sink in as they drink and laugh and laugh

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 11:45:01am

re: #134 BeachDem

Didn’t need to read any further than the first line about Ms. Trump’s brand’s progressive image before vomiting.

Since when does her “brand” have a progressive image?

Go home, Maggie Haberman, you’re drunk on Trump juice.

I guess Maggie figures if you say it enough times, it becomes true. There’s nothing progressive at all about Ivanka.

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b.d.  May 4, 2017 • 11:45:24am

Why celebrate the 53rd successful House vote to repeal ObamaCare?

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EPR-radar  May 4, 2017 • 11:46:00am

re: #121 Scottish Dragon

Just had a very long and nasty conversation with the fucking idiot hired to do healthcare policy for Congressman Budd. I finally told hiim to fuck off.

What’s the point of a Republican member of Congress having a staff person for health care policy? ‘Fuck you, the rich need their tax cuts’ is the GOP health care policy, and GOP talking points to lie about that could be taught to a parrot.

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Belafon  May 4, 2017 • 11:46:01am

re: #139 b.d.

Why celebrate the 53rd successful House vote to repeal ObamaCare?

And the toughest one of the set.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2017 • 11:46:48am
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Teukka  May 4, 2017 • 11:46:50am

“Dear representatives. What you just passed was the most insanely idiotic thing I’ve ever seen. At no point in your rambling, incoherent debate was there anything that could even be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this country is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no vote, and may God have mercy on your soul. “

I hereby place this modded Billy Madison quote in the public domain. No warranty, as-is, do not inhale etc etc etc.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 11:47:04am

re: #132 jaunte

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lawhawk  May 4, 2017 • 11:47:18am

Every legitimate advocacy group opposes the GOP #Trumpcare shit sandwich.

Not a single group is supporting any of this. And no one should support this without knowing what it would cost - the CBO/JCT have not have a chance to score the plan.

That’s on purpose.

If you knew what it costs, and what it would do to coverage, the GOP couldn’t ram the fucker through.

I’m so fucking pissed right now. Superfly TNT. I’m the motherfucking guns of the Navarone.

And who do we have to blame for this shit sandwich?

That leads us right back to the shitscape of the election, Russia, Bernie, Jill, Comey, and all the rest.

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BeachDem  May 4, 2017 • 11:47:33am

re: #116 Stanley Sea

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And Chuck Todd, as always, contemplates the truly serious issues…

(but then, I remember that he said it wasn’t the media’s job to explain the Republicans were LYING about the ACA way back when, so I’m sure he’s spent no time talking about how the Republicans are LYING their fucking asses off now.)

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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 11:48:01am
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2017 • 11:48:34am
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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 11:48:38am

Howdy from the Bottom 13

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Myron Falwell  May 4, 2017 • 11:48:41am

re: #128 lawhawk

I also don’t trust voters to fix this in the midterms. They’ve already shown that they’re willing to accept the Trump con.

Well, those who CAN vote. Those who aren’t rich, privileged white males will be deprived of having a say by any means possible.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 4, 2017 • 11:48:56am

re: #129 FormerDirtDart

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Your Congressman just voted to deny you ANY of the greatly reduced subsidies, too.

California and New York require health insurance to cover abortion services, but under the Fuck You, Sick People Act of 2017, no subsidies can be used to purchase insurance that covers abortion services.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 11:49:09am

re: #142 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 11:49:17am

re: #147 jaunte

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Unfortunately a lot of the Stockholm Syndrome sufferers errr Republican voters will vote to send many of them back because ‘economic anxiety’ and the Dems don’t talk enough about how the poor WWC snowflakes.

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Targetpractice  May 4, 2017 • 11:50:06am

re: #153 HappyWarrior

Unfortunately a lot of the Stockholm Syndrome sufferers errr Republican voters will vote to send many of them back because ‘economic anxiety’ and the Dems don’t talk enough about how the poor WWC snowflakes.

A bunch of them will be reelected on the fear that voting against them will mean Nancy Pelosi becomes Speaker again.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 11:50:24am

The only thing that will matter to many Republican voters is that the hated Obamacare looks like it’s gone. They don’t care about screwing themselves over. So why should they care about you?

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 11:50:38am

re: #154 Targetpractice

A bunch of them will be reelected on the fear that voting against them will mean Nancy Pelosi becomes Speaker again.

GUNZ!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2017 • 11:50:46am
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The Vicious Babushka  May 4, 2017 • 11:50:50am

MEANWHILE

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2017 • 11:51:12am
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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 11:51:13am
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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 11:51:31am

Issa would kill you for another tax break.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 11:51:50am

re: #157 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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And Mo, if i were like you, I’d want you to develop a painful case of anal hemorrhoids but I am going to wish something even worse on you, I hope you never get an epiphany. You’re not good enough to see the error of your ways.

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KGxvi  May 4, 2017 • 11:51:56am

re: #129 FormerDirtDart

Issa and Rohrabacher are probably the most vulnerable of those listed. Though apparently Walters has refused to do townhalls which has generated criticism from Republicans in local offices. Walters somehow won 58% of the vote while Clinton won her district with 48% and Harris won there with 66% (in south Orange County).

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2017 • 11:52:44am
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Scottish Dragon  May 4, 2017 • 11:52:50am

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 4, 2017 • 11:53:08am

re: #130 GlutenFreeJesus

Ugh. Damn typos.

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Targetpractice  May 4, 2017 • 11:54:08am

re: #164 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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As noted above, this is really a formality is McConnell knows he has the votes to get this bill passed.

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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 11:54:44am
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The Vicious Babushka  May 4, 2017 • 11:54:44am

Threats coming from the Left are no more acceptable than threats coming from the Right.
Please report this Twitter account==>

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Big Beautiful Door  May 4, 2017 • 11:55:27am

re: #167 Targetpractice

As noted above, this is really a formality is McConnell knows he has the votes to get this bill passed.

And where did you get this information from?

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 11:55:45am

re: #169 The Vicious Babushka

Threats coming from the Left are no more acceptable than threats coming from the Right.
Please report this Twitter account==>

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Yep.

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piratedan  May 4, 2017 • 11:57:05am

gee, is no one really going to discuss the Optics of the GOP spiking the football after this vote to deprive MILLIONS of Americans of their health care… but I guess this isn’t as egregious as a former head of state getting money for making a speech….

I guess they should have just used limos to leave Congress…..

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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 11:57:47am

Is this Reince person even an American?

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Birth Control Works  May 4, 2017 • 11:57:53am
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KGxvi  May 4, 2017 • 11:59:07am

re: #167 Targetpractice

As noted above, this is really a formality is McConnell knows he has the votes to get this bill passed.

Couple of possibilities - there are some moderates in the GOP Senate caucus who told McConnell that they’re a “no” vote without the CBO scoring; they don’t actually have the votes for it and are using this as a means of buying time to whip the votes; or, as I believe someone mentioned above, they need the CBO score for a reconciliation ruling from the parliamentarian. Also, a very real possibility is that the GOP Senate caucus wants nothing to do with this bill and are hoping to distract Trump and the Freedom Caucus with something bright and shiny.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 11:59:28am

re: #173 jaunte

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Is this Reince person even an American?

Probably gets his sports metaphors from Ted Cruz. Jeez and they call us the ones who don’t understand America.

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Jenner7  May 4, 2017 • 11:59:44am

re: #169 The Vicious Babushka

Done.

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Myron Falwell  May 4, 2017 • 11:59:45am

re: #169 The Vicious Babushka

Threats coming from the Left are no more acceptable than threats coming from the Right.
Please report this Twitter account==>

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Will do.

The one thing I’m scared of — more than anything — is someone, or some group, who will seek social media-fueled mob vigilante justice.

A lot of people are angry, and they feel powerless, all the while Republicans are gloating and parading around. It’s a recipe for disaster.

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FormerDirtDart  May 4, 2017 • 11:59:55am

re: #169 The Vicious Babushka

Threats coming from the Left are no more acceptable than threats coming from the Right.
Please report this Twitter account==>

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Done

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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 12:00:19pm

Punter Trump has bravely shanked the ball into the end zone.

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Belafon  May 4, 2017 • 12:00:27pm

re: #172 piratedan

Are you talking about here:

re: #152 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

re: #116 Stanley Sea

re: #109 Rocky-in-Connecticut

re: #98 FormerDirtDart

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Or on TV?

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KGxvi  May 4, 2017 • 12:00:34pm

re: #173 jaunte

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Is this Reince person even an American?

So, Democrats get the ball at the 20 yard line?

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Birth Control Works  May 4, 2017 • 12:00:39pm

re: #158 The Vicious Babushka

MEANWHILE

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Who the F*** is she?

Every conservative geriatric man’s ideal of a fairy god virgin?

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 12:00:54pm

re: #178 Myron Falwell

The one thing I’m scared of — more than anything — is someone, or some group, who will seek social media-fueled mob vigilante justice.

A lot of people are angry, and they feel powerless, all the while Republicans are gloating and parading around. It’s a recipe for disaster.

That’s the problem with revolution talk and rhetoric. I hate the GOP but I don’t want violence.

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Birth Control Works  May 4, 2017 • 12:01:02pm

re: #169 The Vicious Babushka

Threats coming from the Left are no more acceptable than threats coming from the Right.
Please report this Twitter account==>

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done

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Belafon  May 4, 2017 • 12:01:04pm

re: #173 jaunte

Is this Reince person even an American?

Even Sheldon Cooper knows correct football terminology.

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Targetpractice  May 4, 2017 • 12:01:16pm

re: #170 Big Beautiful Door

And where did you get this information from?

That would be EPR in #133:

Also, I think it inaccurate to say this bill is only 1/3 of the way to being passed. Trump signing it is certain, so that makes it 2/3 procedurally. The Senate is the only obstacle, but will Senate Republicans really be able to resist the temptation of this giant tax cut for the rich?

Passing this with 51 GOP votes in the Senate under reconciliation seems to be a distinct possibility. An unfavorable CBO score can be evaded by overruling the Senate parliamentarian on a party-line vote. This way McConnell could pass this abomination without getting rid of the legislative filibuster.

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lawhawk  May 4, 2017 • 12:01:33pm
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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 12:01:40pm

I kick a touchdown!

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Birth Control Works  May 4, 2017 • 12:01:54pm

re: #178 Myron Falwell

The one thing I’m scared of — more than anything — is someone, or some group, who will seek social media-fueled mob vigilante justice.

A lot of people are angry, and they feel powerless, all the while Republicans are gloating and parading around. It’s a recipe for disaster.

Everyone SHOULD be concerned about the women who Marched, voted and work to maintain their freedom.

This shit is real.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 12:02:37pm

re: #169 The Vicious Babushka

I regret that I could only attach 5 murderous Tweets to the report. What a psycho.

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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 12:03:18pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 12:03:30pm

re: #173 jaunte

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Is this Reince person even an American?

Tell the fascist right that he’s a furriner. Let’s see what happens.

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Birth Control Works  May 4, 2017 • 12:03:44pm

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Interesting Times  May 4, 2017 • 12:04:01pm

re: #191 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

I regret that I could only attach 5 murderous Tweets to the report. What a psycho.

I’m calling false flag/ratfucker. The GOPers always accuse the left of doing this when their side engages in violent rhetoric, and we know how prone to projection they are, so…

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 4, 2017 • 12:04:05pm

Is is is on Fresh Air today.

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Citizen K  May 4, 2017 • 12:04:31pm

And this is apparently not an outlier. The media has decided the real news out of this is “HUZZAH! Trump gets a win! Celebration time!” They’ve fallen in love with Trump so goddamn much they don’t give a flying fuck about how many people this will screw over.

I’m fully expecting Dems to get punished for the “Na Na Na Na, Heyy, Goodbye’ stuff, because of course they would.

Everything sucks, and I hate everything. Fuck this country.

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Scottish Dragon  May 4, 2017 • 12:04:44pm

re: #195 Interesting Times

I’m calling false flag/ratfucker. The GOPers always accuse the left of doing this when their side engages in violent rhetoric, and we know how prone to projection they are, so…

Agree. Ratfvucking.

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Myron Falwell  May 4, 2017 • 12:05:31pm

re: #191 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

I regret that I could only attach 5 murderous Tweets to the report. What a psycho.

Genuinely scary AF. Wow.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 12:05:40pm

re: #197 Citizen K

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I’m fully expecting Dems to get punished for the “Na Na Na Na, Heyy, Goodbye’ stuff, because of course they would.

Everything sucks, and I hate everything. Fuck this country.

Obama got accused of being too happy that we got OBL on his watch.

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FormerDirtDart  May 4, 2017 • 12:06:01pm
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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 12:06:10pm

Republican questions.

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Sir John Barron  May 4, 2017 • 12:06:17pm

re: #192 jaunte

.@Reince exiting gop cloakroom tells me: “The president stepped up and helped punt the ball into the end zone.”

— Molly Hooper

LoLs

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Birth Control Works  May 4, 2017 • 12:06:21pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 12:06:25pm

re: #195 Interesting Times

I’m calling false flag/ratfucker. The GOPers always accuse the left of doing this when their side engages in violent rhetoric, and we know how prone to projection they are, so…

Yeah, that is likely, but we know there are violent nutjobs on the far-left too.

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Targetpractice  May 4, 2017 • 12:06:49pm

re: #175 KGxvi

Couple of possibilities - there are some moderates in the GOP Senate caucus who told McConnell that they’re a “no” vote without the CBO scoring; they don’t actually have the votes for it and are using this as a means of buying time to whip the votes; or, as I believe someone mentioned above, they need the CBO score for a reconciliation ruling from the parliamentarian. Also, a very real possibility is that the GOP Senate caucus wants nothing to do with this bill and are hoping to distract Trump and the Freedom Caucus with something bright and shiny.

There’s also the possibility that McConnell is looking for some kind of cover to excuse his failure to produce the necessary votes to get it passed under reconciliation. A long shot, but the current environment has made such things impossible to predict with any accuracy.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 12:08:07pm

re: #202 jaunte

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Republican questions.

They clearly don’t believe in western civilization. They should move to Russia.

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Sir John Barron  May 4, 2017 • 12:08:45pm

re: #203 Sir John Barron

LoLs

“Dt passed the football through the rim…”

“dT threw the baseball over the fence…”

“Dt dunked the football into centerfield….”

“DT hit the baseball into the goal….”

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Jenner7  May 4, 2017 • 12:09:02pm

Look at them smiling….

Ugh.

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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 12:09:21pm

“You mean to tell me you actually believe that ‘I am my brother’s keeper’ stuff?”

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piratedan  May 4, 2017 • 12:10:41pm

re: #181 Belafon

we know (i.e. not flinging poo at the commentariat here)… I’m referring to the media (in general) i.e. all of those outraged tweets about Obama getting paid…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 12:10:57pm

re: #208 Sir John Barron

“Dt passed the football through the rim…”

“dT threw the baseball over the fence…”

“Dt dunked the football into centerfield….”

“DT hit the baseball into the goal….”

Let’s go with boxing. DT has punched America in the face.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 12:11:46pm

re: #211 piratedan

we know (i.e. not flinging poo at the commentariat here)… I’m referring to the media (in general) i.e. all of those outraged tweets about Obama getting paid…

Most people are stupid. I accepted this in the 80s, but foolishly got optimistic since. Trump voters fixed that.

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Belafon  May 4, 2017 • 12:12:20pm

re: #202 jaunte

Republican questions.

The big flaw in thinking is that if we don’t pay taxes on other people’s health care we’re not paying for it. It’s estimated that, because Texas refuses to cover the 28% uninsured, that each of us pays an additional $1000 per year for our insurance to cover their ER visits and other losses hospitals absorb.

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Myron Falwell  May 4, 2017 • 12:12:33pm

re: #190 Birth Control Works

Everyone SHOULD be concerned about the women who Marched, voted and work to maintain their freedom.

This shit is real.

It is real, and incredibly dangerous. The forces of evil are finalizing their hostile takeover of this country.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 12:12:45pm

re: #213 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

Most people are stupid. I accepted this in the 80s, but foolishly got optimistic since. Trump voters fixed that.

I really really thought that after Obama’s two 50% plus wins, we were headed on the right track nationally. This country still has a long way to go and I blame the Republican party and conservative movement for fostering up resentment.

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Interesting Times  May 4, 2017 • 12:13:42pm
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Timothy Watson  May 4, 2017 • 12:13:48pm

re: #112 Myron Falwell

And make no mistake; my past conservative beliefs are but a lasting scar upon my conscience, my soul, and my dignity.

I half-joked last year that my volunteering on the Clinton campaign was for making up for my wayward misspent youth…of voting for Republicans.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2017 • 12:13:49pm

Not going to lie, today is awful. It sucks.

But unless you’re giving up, take that anger and do something. Call your rep. Call your Senator. Find out when your local town hall is going to be and make plans to be there. Contact your local Indivisible group and find out how you can get involved.

Dig in. Volunteer. Work on pushing back.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 12:14:45pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

I really really thought that after Obama’s two 50% plus wins, we were headed on the right track nationally. This country still has a long way to go and I blame the Republican party and conservative movement for fostering up resentment.

We always get dragged back into the muck by stupid reactionaries who are incapable of staying on the right track. They just can’t be remotely decent people, and have to share their hateful “ideas” with the rest of us.

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Citizen K  May 4, 2017 • 12:15:27pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

I really really thought that after Obama’s two 50% plus wins, we were headed on the right track nationally. This country still has a long way to go and I blame the Republican party and conservative movement for fostering up resentment.

This country is a fundamentally hateful, spiteful, and hostile place. That’s what the last 8-9 years have taught me. And attempts to change that and make things better will bring the full force of that hate and spite down upon your head and make you out to be history’s greatest demon ever, and make people run away all the faster because “fuck you, that’s why”.

This is never changing, apparently. It’s only going to get worse. And worse. And even fucking worse.

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Charles Johnson  May 4, 2017 • 12:16:13pm

re: #112 Myron Falwell

I collected your tweetstorm with the new app I’ve been developing…

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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 12:16:16pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2017 • 12:16:39pm

re: #220 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

We always get dragged back into the muck by stupid reactionaries who are incapable of staying on the right track. They just can’t be remotely decent people, and have to share their hateful “ideas” with the rest of us.

And yet the world as a whole has made progress. Still.

I’m not giving up my future to these assholes.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2017 • 12:16:56pm

re: #221 Citizen K

This country is a fundamentally hateful, spiteful, and hostile place. That’s what the last 8-9 years have taught me. And attempts to change that and make things better will bring the full force of that hate and spite down upon your head and make you out to be history’s greatest demon ever, and make people run away all the faster because “fuck you, that’s why”.

This is never changing, apparently. It’s only going to get worse. And worse. And even fucking worse.

This is almost getting to PLL levels. Just saying.

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Weaselone  May 4, 2017 • 12:20:03pm

re: #225 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It is pretty depressing/infuriating. Republicans did just vote to kill 10s of thousands of Americans year, after year, after year.

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Skip Intro  May 4, 2017 • 12:20:11pm

Well, they really showed that uppity N*CLANG who the bossman is, and the GOP base is going to love them for it.

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FormerDirtDart  May 4, 2017 • 12:20:32pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 12:20:41pm

re: #224 klys (maker of Silmarils)

And yet the world as a whole has made progress. Still.

I’m not giving up my future to these assholes.

The world had made progress. Many western nations seem to be holding up fine, but the collapse of decency in the US and UK are more than a little alarming.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 12:22:38pm

The world is just a frustrating place at times. Sometimes, I am amazed at the good humanity can do. See how Jimmy Kimmel talked about the medical professionals that helped his little boy. And then the worst, the many elected officials of the GOP who do shit like this.

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KGxvi  May 4, 2017 • 12:23:25pm

re: #204 Birth Control Works

The modern nomination process started in 1960, or so. Since then, there has been, at most 2 women who have run for the presidency that had a legitimate shot at the nomination, Liddy Dole in 2000 (she dropped out of the GOP race in October 1999 when the big money started coalescing around GWB), and Hillary Clinton in 2008 and 2016. Part of the problem is that it’s hard to get to the point where you’re a viable presidential candidate, man or woman. Traditionally (ie: pre-Trump), presidents served as governors or senators (or both) or held high ranking administrative positions within the government. There’s some self-selection in the fact that more women who have held these types of positions haven’t run for president (the same could be said for men who have held these positions). There’s also what I’d call the Jackie Robinson factor - the first person to break a barrier has to be special (there were plenty of better ball players in the Negro Leagues when Robinson was signed by the Dodgers); it’s not fair, but that typically seems to be the case in a lot of things like this.

Or you can blame it on baby boomers, since Clinton won voters under the age of 45 (so most of Gen-X and Millennials).

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Interesting Times  May 4, 2017 • 12:23:57pm

Heads up:

Facebook Post

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 12:24:05pm

re: #225 klys (maker of Silmarils)

This is almost getting to PLL levels. Just saying.

Things have gotten significantly worse since he was banned. It’s normal to be very depressed about having the federal government go evil.

I’m not going to crawl in a hole and die or anything, but I will spend less on recreation, and more on driving Republicans from office. Shit has gotten SERIOUS.

I might even marry someone just to get them health insurance if things get bad enough.

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Timothy Watson  May 4, 2017 • 12:24:40pm

My shitbag Congressman voted for the bill because of course he did.

He’ll still get 60% in the next election.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 12:25:45pm

re: #234 Timothy Watson

My shitbag Congressman voted for the bill because of course he did.

He’ll still get 60% in the next election.

Comstock to her credit did not. She’s still awful though since she’ll campaign and support other people like your Congressman who did.

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Citizen K  May 4, 2017 • 12:25:56pm

re: #225 klys (maker of Silmarils)

This is almost getting to PLL levels. Just saying.

Sigh…

Not sure what PLL means, but fuck it. I just don’t see how this gets any fucking better. We’ve seen the infinite capacity of the electorate to blame Dems, Liberals, PoCs, women, minorities, anything but white conservatives with massively consolidated power for things like this, even when they get directly hurt by these policies, even when those policies prove destructive and fatal. And we’ve seen near infinite capacity for the current crop of the GOP to take advantage of that and do whatever the fuck they want anyways because they know their seat probably won’t be at risk. So I can’t see a way this doesn’t pass the Senate, and this was possibly our best shot at stopping one of Trump’s key wants.

And we’ve already seen the media crowing for Trump’s victory, all the while endlessly wringing about how horrible and superevil Hillary, Obama, etc. are because of things they’ve given the GOP endless passes on, time and time again.

I’m ping-ponging between wanting to scream and wanting to cry endlessly because I feel surrounded by futility, and I can’t disconnect from it because this mess has soaked into almost every aspect of American life at this point.

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Skip Intro  May 4, 2017 • 12:26:12pm

Did I understand correctly that two Dems voted for this? That would be the two vote difference between pass or fail.

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ObserverArt  May 4, 2017 • 12:26:22pm

re: #169 The Vicious Babushka

Threats coming from the Left are no more acceptable than threats coming from the Right.
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I agree. But when people are backed up and desperate bad things happen.

Sure we should all do what is right, but are Republicans doing right by us as ordinary Americans?

No.

And so we get these threats.

It is going to get ugly. I bet some of it starts tonight in many major cities. This weekend will probably see big demonstrations and they will be way more heated.

Buckle up. And keep on your toes. Bumpy road ahead.

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Belafon  May 4, 2017 • 12:26:52pm

I’d rather this not have happened, but I sometimes think that the only way poorer Republican voters are going to stop voting for people like Ryan is for them to get completely screwed. I hope this vote is scaring them and they’ll start to think and do something before everything is taken from them. We’ll see.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 12:27:05pm

re: #237 Skip Intro

Did I understand correctly that two Dems voted for this? That would be the two vote difference between pass or fail.

It was a mistake. No Dems voted for it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 4, 2017 • 12:27:10pm

re: #237 Skip Intro

Did I understand correctly that two Dems voted for this? That would be the two vote difference between pass or fail.

Two apparently mistaken, and quickly reversed votes. In the end, not one Democrat voted for it.

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ObserverArt  May 4, 2017 • 12:27:18pm

re: #173 jaunte

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Is this Reince person even an American?

Straight from the heartland sewers.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2017 • 12:27:33pm

re: #229 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

The world had made progress. Many western nations seem to be holding up fine, but the collapse of decency in the US and UK are more than a little alarming.

I’m pretty sure there have been points in history before where the reactionaries have gained the upper hand for a bit. It’s only permanent if we fucking give up and cede the field to them.

There are people out there right now who are taking this as a call to action and planning the next step. I find spending time around them and supporting them to be much better for my mental well-being as I dig in to fight too.

You can choose your community to be one that supports you as we fight back. It’s something I strongly, strongly recommend.

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Belafon  May 4, 2017 • 12:28:02pm

re: #237 Skip Intro

Did I understand correctly that two Dems voted for this? That would be the two vote difference between pass or fail.

No Democrats voted for it.

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Myron Falwell  May 4, 2017 • 12:28:04pm

re: #236 Citizen K

Sigh…

Not sure what PLL means, but fuck it. I just don’t see how this gets any fucking better. We’ve seen the infinite capacity of the electorate to blame Dems, Liberals, PoCs, women, minorities, anything but white conservatives with massively consolidated power for things like this, even when they get directly hurt by these policies, even when those policies prove destructive and fatal. And we’ve seen near infinite capacity for the current crop of the GOP to take advantage of that and do whatever the fuck they want anyways because they know their seat probably won’t be at risk. So I can’t see a way this doesn’t pass the Senate, and this was possibly our best shot at stopping one of Trump’s key wants.

And we’ve already seen the media crowing for Trump’s victory, all the while endlessly wringing about how horrible and superevil Hillary, Obama, etc. are because of things they’ve given the GOP endless passes on, time and time again.

I’m ping-ponging between wanting to scream and wanting to cry endlessly because I feel surrounded by futility, and I can’t disconnect from it because this mess has soaked into almost every aspect of American life at this point.

PLL = “Pro-Life Liberal”

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Timothy Watson  May 4, 2017 • 12:28:05pm

re: #237 Skip Intro

Did I understand correctly that two Dems voted for this? That would be the two vote difference between pass or fail.

No, no Democrats voted for it:
clerk.house.gov

During the vote, there were two recorded votes by Democrats as yes, not sure of the circumstances but they changed their votes before the voting closed.

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Skip Intro  May 4, 2017 • 12:28:05pm

re: #240 HappyWarrior

It was a mistake. No Dems voted for it.

Good. I was about to rip my built-in desk off of the wall.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 12:28:27pm

re: #230 HappyWarrior

The world is just a frustrating place at times. Sometimes, I am amazed at the good humanity can do. See how Jimmy Kimmel talked about the medical professionals that helped his little boy. And then the worst, the many elected officials of the GOP who do shit like this.

It was quite moving, but then he was immediately undermined by the left.
thedailybeast.com

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 12:29:34pm

re: #239 Belafon

I’d rather this not have happened, but I sometimes think that the only way poorer Republican voters are going to stop voting for people like Ryan is for them to get completely screwed. I hope this vote is scaring them and they’ll start to think and do something before everything is taken from them. We’ll see.

I really really hope you’re right but it seems to me that Republican voters double down as their representatives get more worse. I think it’s because Republican elected officials find new ways to appeal to their resentments.

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Timothy Watson  May 4, 2017 • 12:29:48pm

re: #173 jaunte

.@Reince exiting gop cloakroom tells me: “The president stepped up and helped punt the ball into the end zone.”

So Trump gave the Democrats a touchback…on purpose?

Is Reince also blinking out messages in Morse code by any chance?

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Stanley Sea  May 4, 2017 • 12:29:50pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 12:29:56pm

re: #243 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m pretty sure there have been points in history before where the reactionaries have gained the upper hand for a bit. It’s only permanent if we fucking give up and cede the field to them.

There are people out there right now who are taking this as a call to action and planning the next step. I find spending time around them and supporting them to be much better for my mental well-being as I dig in to fight too.

You can choose your community to be one that supports you as we fight back. It’s something I strongly, strongly recommend.

You’re right of course. There were much more reactionary times in history. We’re just in the immediate reaction phase to seeing critical parts of our society temporarily collapse.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 12:30:18pm

re: #243 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m pretty sure there have been points in history before where the reactionaries have gained the upper hand for a bit. It’s only permanent if we fucking give up and cede the field to them.

There are people out there right now who are taking this as a call to action and planning the next step. I find spending time around them and supporting them to be much better for my mental well-being as I dig in to fight too.

You can choose your community to be one that supports you as we fight back. It’s something I strongly, strongly recommend.

I do agree with this. That’s why I’m working on both local and statewide campaigns. I’ve done something every weekend since February.

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gocart mozart  May 4, 2017 • 12:31:35pm
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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 12:32:20pm

re: #248 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

It was quite moving, but then he was immediately undermined by the left.
thedailybeast.com

Jesus CHrist, I hate the left sometimes. This was a father who happens to be famous talking about his son’s condition and how the legislation that assholes left and right rage about helped get his son the surgery he needed.

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Interesting Times  May 4, 2017 • 12:32:47pm

re: #232 Interesting Times

Serious question here - let’s assume she’s right (and her track record is sadly consistent in this respect :( ) about the GOPers planning massive voter suppression and fraud to ensure they can still cling to power.

Knowing this will happen in 2018, what can be done NOW to prevent it? (realistic options that don’t include violence, but don’t necessarily need to be legal, e.g. massive civil disobedience)

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ObserverArt  May 4, 2017 • 12:33:18pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

I really really thought that after Obama’s two 50% plus wins, we were headed on the right track nationally. This country still has a long way to go and I blame the Republican party and conservative movement for fostering up resentment.

Blame the Americans that vote for them. The Republican party has been this way for years, they just never conned enough people into buying in.

We are still a Democracy and WE (not you…the collective) are doing this to ourselves.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2017 • 12:33:35pm

re: #252 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

You’re right of course. There were much more reactionary times in history. We’re just in the immediate reaction phase to seeing critical parts of our society temporarily collapse.

And I get that. It sucks. I am not exactly a font of optimism. But what I also know is that wallowing in despair is not productive. That if all you do is sit and nurse the outrage and the hate GUESS WHAT that is what you feel. We know this. That’s what Fox does. And how the fuck does that improve anyone’s life? It doesn’t. It’s not healthy.

So I am pushing for critical thinking, and building resiliency, and self-care, because this is going to be a long fight and if you burn out now you’re going to be useless down the road. Take a day and cope if you need to but this fight isn’t over. Treating it like it is guarantees a loss though.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 4, 2017 • 12:33:55pm

I’m posting stuff to FB, like this article, pointing out that this is what your Republican friends and relatives WANT to happen.

ETA: I’ve had enough of ‘Facebook is so negative!’ and ‘Let’s agree to disagree’, and papering over that shit. These assholes believe that my family, with all our preexisting conditions ALL of which are either stochastic or genetic, should pay tens of thousands more for insurance because of them.

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Amory Blaine  May 4, 2017 • 12:34:59pm

Trump is never getting impeached. Deal.

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ObserverArt  May 4, 2017 • 12:35:29pm

re: #219 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Not going to lie, today is awful. It sucks.

But unless you’re giving up, take that anger and do something. Call your rep. Call your Senator. Find out when your local town hall is going to be and make plans to be there. Contact your local Indivisible group and find out how you can get involved.

Dig in. Volunteer. Work on pushing back.

I just replied to the email I got from Paul Ryan yesterday. It was pretty heated but not out of hand. Next up an email to my buddy Rob Portman, Ohio’s weakest Senator.

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Sir John Barron  May 4, 2017 • 12:35:43pm

re: #251 Stanley Sea

“Who am I? What am I doing here?”

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Myron Falwell  May 4, 2017 • 12:36:24pm

re: #225 klys (maker of Silmarils)

This is almost getting to PLL levels. Just saying.

The GOP’s inhumane actions are fostering resentment towards them all across the board. By design, not by accident… not in the least.

Such PLL-like hyperbole (which unnerved me at times) may be unavoidable now. Are we better than that? Without a doubt. But will we be? I’m not sure.

Mob mentality pervades social media like none other, and it’s going to be another Herculan feat to stamp all that out on our end without getting fucking exhausted at all the other shit around us.

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FormerDirtDart  May 4, 2017 • 12:36:53pm
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Belafon  May 4, 2017 • 12:37:43pm

re: #263 Myron Falwell

The GOP’s inhumane actions are fostering resentment towards them all across the board. By design, not by accident… not in the least.

Such PLL-like hyperbole (which unnerved me at times) may be unavoidable now. Are we better than that? Without a doubt. But will we be? I’m not sure.

Mob mentality pervades social media like none other, and it’s going to be another Herculan feat to stamp all that out on our end without getting fucking exhausted at all the other shit around us.

I’ll tell you what I tell my kids when they panic: You cannot solve a problem unless you are thinking clearly.

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Sir John Barron  May 4, 2017 • 12:38:20pm

re: #264 FormerDirtDart

What a proud day it is for the happy couple.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 12:38:43pm

re: #264 FormerDirtDart

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Democrats talk this when talking about expanding health care, education, or opportunities in general to people. People like Steve the Klansman Wannabe King talk this way about denying people health care. Fuck King.

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Myron Falwell  May 4, 2017 • 12:39:25pm

re: #264 FormerDirtDart

Who was wearing the bear suit?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 12:39:37pm

re: #260 Amory Blaine

Trump is never getting impeached. Deal.

He might be if he’s somehow reelected and we have a more sane Congress in 2020-2024. He has a lot to answer for. He might even be impeached soon if his ties to Russia are fully exposed. Not all Republicans are Russian stooges.

Chances are his mind will be completely shot by 2020, far beyond how Reagan was, so he probably won’t serve a second term.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2017 • 12:39:57pm

Dammit I forgot the eggs.

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Barefoot Grin  May 4, 2017 • 12:39:58pm

re: #264 FormerDirtDart

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Illegitimi non carborundum

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 12:40:03pm

the Democrats aren’t perfect but you knwo what, at least they give a shit about people who aren’t their donors. But hey they suck because they didn’t kiss the ass of a man who isn’t in their party and didn’t pander enough to a bunch of asshole snowflakes who can’t stand that they live in a changing America.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 4, 2017 • 12:40:15pm

re: #264 FormerDirtDart

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Almost makes me want to believe in the Christian God, so I can see the looks on their faces when they’re told that this, plus the rest of their shit, consigns them to eternal torment.

But I can’t.

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Sir John Barron  May 4, 2017 • 12:40:44pm

re: #264 FormerDirtDart

Remember when crazy Bachmann turner overdrive ran for president and we breathed a sigh of relief when she lost, thinking we had somehow managed to dodge a very dangerous bullet?

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Myron Falwell  May 4, 2017 • 12:40:46pm

re: #222 Charles Johnson

Nice! Thank you! 😺

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 12:40:54pm

re: #273 Blind Frog Belly White

Almost makes me want to believe in the Christian God, so I can see the looks on their faces when they’re told that this, plus the rest of their shit, consigns them to eternal torment.

But I can’t.

I have a different thought. I think these assholes don’t deserve epiphanies.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 12:40:56pm

re: #264 FormerDirtDart

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Interesting Times  May 4, 2017 • 12:42:18pm

re: #276 HappyWarrior

I have a different thought. I think these assholes don’t deserve epiphanies.

I don’t understand why you even think that’s a punishment. It’s allowing them to keep feeling good about doing horrible things. That’s why sociopaths tend to live long natural lives (e.g. Pinochet) - no conscience, no stress.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2017 • 12:42:28pm

re: #265 Belafon

I’ll tell you what I tell my kids when they panic: You cannot solve a problem unless you are thinking clearly.

Thank you. This is a huge part of it. That the despair and anger and hatred and frustration is just getting to a point where nothing constructive (or productive) can be done.

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Timothy Watson  May 4, 2017 • 12:43:01pm

re: #274 Sir John Barron

Remember when crazy Bachmann turner overdrive ran for president and we breathed a sigh of relief when she lost, thinking we had somehow managed to dodge a very dangerous bullet?

Good times, good times.

*deep sigh*

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 12:43:23pm

re: #278 Interesting Times

I don’t understand why you even think that’s a punishment. It’s allowing them to keep feeling good about doing horrible things. That’s why sociopaths tend to live long natural lives (e.g. Pinochet) - no conscience, no stress.

Sort of why I think L/WO is a more a punishment than death. You do have a poitn though.

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ObserverArt  May 4, 2017 • 12:43:44pm

re: #270 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Dammit I forgot the eggs.

Hard hard hard boiled?

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Belafon  May 4, 2017 • 12:44:20pm

re: #278 Interesting Times

I don’t understand why you even think that’s a punishment. It’s allowing them to keep feeling good about doing horrible things. That’s why sociopaths tend to live long natural lives (e.g. Pinochet) - no conscience, no stress.

If they believe in God, do you want them repenting on their deathbed?

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ObserverArt  May 4, 2017 • 12:45:03pm

re: #276 HappyWarrior

I have a different thought. I think these assholes don’t deserve epiphanies.

Me either. I’m thinking more like straight to hell on the fast train.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 12:45:58pm

re: #279 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Thank you. This is a huge part of it. That the despair and anger and hatred and frustration is just getting to a point where nothing constructive (or productive) can be done.

Nothing constructive needs to be done today. We’ll still exist tomorrow to be productive and constructive.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2017 • 12:46:43pm

re: #282 ObserverArt

Hard hard hard boiled?

No, need to run to the grocery store. Making egg muffins for the freezer, along with marinara sauce, meatloaf, and homemade chorizo batches.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 12:47:13pm

re: #283 Belafon

If they believe in God, do you want them repenting on their deathbed?

Repenting won’t make heaven become something that actually exists, so yes, it would be good if they admit they were wrong as they’re dying so others can learn from their mistake.

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Interesting Times  May 4, 2017 • 12:49:03pm

re: #283 Belafon

If they believe in God, do you want them repenting on their deathbed?

I want them to, at the very last minute, feel the horrible, sickening dread that maybe they’re hellbound after all.

(though since I personally don’t believe in an afterlife, I prefer to root for poetic justice on earth - they die lonely, broke, in pain and humiliation, all on account of their own disgusting actions coming home to roost)

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 12:50:36pm

re: #288 Interesting Times

I want them to, at the very last minute, feel the horrible, sickening dread that maybe they’re hellbound after all.

(though since I personally don’t believe in an afterlife, I prefer to root for poetic justice on earth - they die lonely, broke, in pain and humiliation, all on account of their own disgusting actions coming home to roost)

Even though I don’t believe in God, I believe in the idea of redemption, I think these assholes don’t deserve that. Understand my point now? You don’t have to agree of course. Just wanted to explain my pov about how why I think punishment for me is them never having an epiphany.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2017 • 12:50:40pm

re: #285 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

Nothing constructive needs to be done today. We’ll still exist tomorrow to be productive and constructive.

For the record, I made the PLL comparison because there’s been a pattern of posts like that over the past few weeks. I don’t mind a single post blowing off steam at all and in fact think that’s healthy. It’s when I see no change except for the worse that it’s a concern. And a genuine one, because I care about Lizards and it’s not healthy to stew like that.

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gocart mozart  May 4, 2017 • 12:50:58pm
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EPR-radar  May 4, 2017 • 12:52:17pm

re: #273 Blind Frog Belly White

Almost makes me want to believe in the Christian God, so I can see the looks on their faces when they’re told that this, plus the rest of their shit, consigns them to eternal torment.

But I can’t.

Agreed. Being able to sincerely believe that Trump and the Congressional Republicans will spend eternity hip-deep in molten lead would be very pleasant right about now.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 4, 2017 • 12:52:21pm

Time to flood the phones of every damn Republican senator in your state. Every fucking one of them.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 12:52:24pm

re: #290 klys (maker of Silmarils)

For the record, I made the PLL comparison because there’s been a pattern of posts like that over the past few weeks. I don’t mind a single post blowing off steam at all and in fact think that’s healthy. It’s when I see no change except for the worse that it’s a concern. And a genuine one, because I care about Lizards and it’s not healthy to stew like that.

As much as PLL annoyed me, I always did wish the best for him personally, I just hated seeing him resort to being what he hated in others- intolerant, hateful, etc.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 12:52:58pm

re: #290 klys (maker of Silmarils)

For the record, I made the PLL comparison because there’s been a pattern of posts like that over the past few weeks. I don’t mind a single post blowing off steam at all and in fact think that’s healthy. It’s when I see no change except for the worse that it’s a concern. And a genuine one, because I care about Lizards and it’s not healthy to stew like that.

Fair enough. I don’t think I’ve been stewing, though others may be. I usually recover from an emotional impact, other than a death, in about 24 hours. 48 at the most.

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Myron Falwell  May 4, 2017 • 12:53:02pm

re: #238 ObserverArt

I agree. But when people are backed up and desperate bad things happen.

Sure we should all do what is right, but are Republicans doing right by us as ordinary Americans?

No.

And so we get these threats.

It is going to get ugly. I bet some of it starts tonight in many major cities. This weekend will probably see big demonstrations and they will be way more heated.

Buckle up. And keep on your toes. Bumpy road ahead.

I had said in the past that the road we’re on with these reactionaries is shaping up to be something historically catastrophic. Mainly because I didn’t and don’t want it to happen.

The GOP’s behavior this afternoon is a grotesque taunting and abuse of power in the worst way possible. It’s like the schoolyard bully who keeps attacking over and over again because they doubt anyone would have the strength or will to stand up to them.

If I cared about these thugs (which I don’t), I would be pleading for them to shut up and lay low. Instead they are doing the opposite and just asking for trouble, so drunk with power that they don’t realize the consequences of their actions.

re: #265 Belafon

I’ll tell you what I tell my kids when they panic: You cannot solve a problem unless you are thinking clearly.

Amen to that. We all have to now.

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Citizen K  May 4, 2017 • 12:53:04pm

re: #258 klys (maker of Silmarils)

And I get that. It sucks. I am not exactly a font of optimism. But what I also know is that wallowing in despair is not productive. That if all you do is sit and nurse the outrage and the hate GUESS WHAT that is what you feel. We know this. That’s what Fox does. And how the fuck does that improve anyone’s life? It doesn’t. It’s not healthy.

So I am pushing for critical thinking, and building resiliency, and self-care, because this is going to be a long fight and if you burn out now you’re going to be useless down the road. Take a day and cope if you need to but this fight isn’t over. Treating it like it is guarantees a loss though.

Christ, I know this isn’t helpful. I know it’s wankery, but I need some catharsis, and christ, I don’t know, someone to help talk me off the ledge too.

Considering I have been dealing with legit depression that I’ve been struggling to keep a cap on that I’ve yet been able to properly see anyone for due to repeated runarounds with the state Medicaid offices, and the fact that this will make it even further impossible to afford, I’m struggling to find outlets to vent myself on that. And I don’t trust myself whatsoever not to fuck something up if I tried to volunteer on anything.

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gocart mozart  May 4, 2017 • 12:53:45pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 12:54:04pm

re: #294 HappyWarrior

As much as PLL annoyed me, I always did wish the best for him personally, I just hated seeing him resort to being what he hated in others- intolerant, hateful, etc.

Same here, but having him use LGF as his therapist, as he demanded to be handed a wife just for joining a religion, was really wearing.

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BeachDem  May 4, 2017 • 12:55:35pm

re: #219 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Not going to lie, today is awful. It sucks.

But unless you’re giving up, take that anger and do something. Call your rep. Call your Senator. Find out when your local town hall is going to be and make plans to be there. Contact your local Indivisible group and find out how you can get involved.

Dig in. Volunteer. Work on pushing back.

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EPR-radar  May 4, 2017 • 12:55:46pm

re: #279 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Thank you. This is a huge part of it. That the despair and anger and hatred and frustration is just getting to a point where nothing constructive (or productive) can be done.

Plus we should put today’s vote in context. It was always certain that some total piece of shit on health care would get through the House. The only obstacle has always been the Senate.

The fact that the GOP fucked up its first attempt in the House was amusing, but had no lasting significance.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 12:55:48pm

re: #299 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

Same here, but having him use LGF as his therapist, as he demanded to be handed a wife just for joining a religion, was really wearing.

Oh believe me, I understand completely why people got frustrated with him. I just felt I had a lot in common with him being also on the spectrum and I have a brother who is his age so I felt like I had to take a quasi big brother role. I think his expectations were way too high.

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FormerDirtDart  May 4, 2017 • 12:56:13pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 12:57:29pm

re: #297 Citizen K

Christ, I know this isn’t helpful. I know it’s wankery, but I need some catharsis, and christ, I don’t know, someone to help talk me off the ledge too.

Considering I have been dealing with legit depression that I’ve been struggling to keep a cap on that I’ve yet been able to properly see anyone for due to repeated runarounds with the state Medicaid offices, and the fact that this will make it even further impossible to afford, I’m struggling to find outlets to vent myself on that. And I don’t trust myself whatsoever not to fuck something up if I tried to volunteer on anything.

Severe clinical depression is always stalking me. Since getting a Virtual Reality system, I’ve been getting a ton of aerobic exercise instead of sitting on my ass, which really helps keep the wolf from my door. I also breathe a lot easier and sweat a lot less these days.

If you’re not active, I suggest you force yourself to be. Start with walks if you have to.

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Amory Blaine  May 4, 2017 • 12:57:31pm

re: #297 Citizen K

You don’t need to apologize for anything. The GOP successfully voted to kill Americans today, some of us and some of those we know will suffer.

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Sir John Barron  May 4, 2017 • 12:57:47pm

Music.

Anybody else think Ellie Rowsell of Wolf Alice looks a bit like Taylor Swift?

I dig this first song here, Moaning Lisa Smile.

Wolf Alice - Full Performance (Live on KEXP)

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Sir John Barron  May 4, 2017 • 12:58:30pm

re: #303 FormerDirtDart

So much winning.

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EPR-radar  May 4, 2017 • 12:59:47pm

re: #302 HappyWarrior

Oh believe me, I understand completely why people got frustrated with him. I just felt I had a lot in common with him being also on the spectrum and I have a brother who is his age so I felt like I had to take a quasi big brother role. I think his expectations were way too high.

He’s lucky he got banned before his relationship-on-demand crap irritated me enough to really reply to him on that point.

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Belafon  May 4, 2017 • 12:59:57pm

re: #306 Sir John Barron

Music.

Anybody else think Ellie Rowsell of Wolfe Alice looks a bit like Taylor Swift?

I dig this first song here, Moaning Lisa Smile.

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From the still, only in that she’s female and young.

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Belafon  May 4, 2017 • 1:00:32pm

re: #303 FormerDirtDart

That’s a hoot. It will have to be sent back to the House or reconciled.

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b.d.  May 4, 2017 • 1:00:45pm

re: #303 FormerDirtDart

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So the House passes an ObamaCare repeal that the Senate won’t touch and vice versa, both get to claim that they voted to repeal ObamaCare and ObamaCare goes quietly along.

I can live with that…

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Myron Falwell  May 4, 2017 • 1:01:31pm

re: #303 FormerDirtDart

I have a strong hunch Turtle Boy will want to come up with something even worse. Or at least that’s his goal (only it won’t work as in intended).

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 1:01:46pm

re: #308 EPR-radar

He’s lucky he got banned before his relationship-on-demand crap irritated me enough to really reply to him on that point.

That kind of attitude isn’t uncommon in the ASD community unfortunately. Not saying it’s right. There’s a guy I met in a ASD Facebook group who whenever he talks to me talks about how unfair it is for guys because of the soceital expectations placed on us when asking people out. I mean yeah that frustrates me too but it’s all the guy ever watns to talk about.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 1:01:57pm

re: #302 HappyWarrior

Oh believe me, I understand completely why people got frustrated with him. I just felt I had a lot in common with him being also on the spectrum and I have a brother who is his age so I felt like I had to take a quasi big brother role. I think his expectations were way too high.

Same here on the first part, but Asperger’s does not lead to entitlement, and neither of us are much like him. We just had that one thing in common. I’ve been alone for a very long time, but never even mentioned it here until just now.

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Sir John Barron  May 4, 2017 • 1:02:12pm

re: #303 FormerDirtDart

The House passed the bill. Victory! Send me the bill. I don’t care about a Senate. What do they do? Who cares? I won. We won. Can’t believe I’m president. Can I sign the bill now? It’s law now, right?

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Timothy Watson  May 4, 2017 • 1:03:09pm

re: #310 Belafon

That’s a hoot. It will have to be sent back to the House or reconciled.

Watch them use reconciliation for the maximum amount of IOKIYAR.

(Reconciliation was used to make some changes to the ACA and the wingnuts went nuclear over that.)

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Kragar  May 4, 2017 • 1:03:09pm
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EPR-radar  May 4, 2017 • 1:04:11pm

re: #303 FormerDirtDart

What’s ominous here is that they are talking about only needing 51 votes in the Senate. That suggests an end to the filibuster or reconciliation bullshit.

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Amory Blaine  May 4, 2017 • 1:04:33pm

I have to see real support for vulnerables and infiltration of gop districts for dems before I give them another fucking penny. There should be goddamned billboards in Ryans district going up tomorrow. I want to see some mother fucking ads on tv. NOWW!!!!!!!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 1:04:40pm

re: #313 HappyWarrior

That kind of attitude isn’t uncommon in the ASD community unfortunately. Not saying it’s right. There’s a guy I met in a ASD Facebook group who whenever he talks to me talks about how unfair it is for guys because of the soceital expectations placed on us when asking people out. I mean yeah that frustrates me too but it’s all the guy ever watns to talk about.

I think the two things may not be related. We also see a ton of neurotypical people who insist that not being handed a mate is horribly unfair. The whole MRA movement for example. To some people, women are property to be aquired.

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BeachDem  May 4, 2017 • 1:04:46pm

re: #272 HappyWarrior

the Democrats aren’t perfect but you knwo what, at least they give a shit about people who aren’t their donors. But hey they suck because they didn’t kiss the ass of a man who isn’t in their party and didn’t pander enough to a bunch of asshole snowflakes who can’t stand that they live in a changing America.

I describe it as Democrats might not have all the answer, but at least they ask the right questions.

Republicans are a hateful, selfish, horrible cult.

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BeachDem  May 4, 2017 • 1:05:34pm

re: #274 Sir John Barron

Remember when crazy Bachmann turner overdrive ran for president and we breathed a sigh of relief when she lost, thinking we had somehow managed to dodge a very dangerous bullet?

How can I forget? She practically took up residence in my town during the primary.

The air was fetid…

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Kragar  May 4, 2017 • 1:06:39pm
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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 1:07:10pm

re: #314 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

Same here on the first part, but Asperger’s does not lead to entitlement, and neither of us are much like him. We just had that one thing in common. I’ve been alone for a very long time, but never even mentioned it here until just now.

Didn’t know yo uwere on the spectrum too. But yeah you’re right, it doesn’t create entitlement.

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EPR-radar  May 4, 2017 • 1:07:46pm

re: #321 BeachDem

I describe it as Democrats might not have all the answer, but at least they ask the right questions.

Republicans are a hateful, selfish, horrible cult.

At times like this, I’m very grateful to be spared GOP apologetics here from a Team (R) player pretending to be less sociopathic than his evil party.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 1:07:55pm

re: #320 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

I think the two things may not be related. We also see a ton of neurotypical people who insist that not being handed a mate is horribly unfair. The whole MRA movement for example. To some people, women are property to be aquired.

Yeah for sure. If anything, I consider myself my own worst critic when it comes to relationship failures.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 1:08:02pm

re: #323 Kragar

I love seeing the “Christian” right’s superstitions used against them, but I always wonder if their leaders really believe that stuff or they’re just working the rubes to gain personal power and wealth.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 1:08:29pm

re: #326 HappyWarrior

Yeah for sure. If anything, I consider myself my own worst critic when it comes to relationship failures.

Sounds like you learn from your mistakes. That’s good!

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 1:08:43pm

re: #325 EPR-radar

At times like this, I’m very grateful to be spared GOP apologetics here from a Team (R) player pretending to be less sociopathic than his evil party.

I don’t miss him at all.

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Amory Blaine  May 4, 2017 • 1:08:52pm

re: #325 EPR-radar

At times like this, I’m very grateful to be spared GOP apologetics here from a Team (R) player pretending to be less sociopathic than his evil party.

He can pick his preexisting condition up by it’s bootstraps.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 1:09:31pm

re: #328 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

Sounds like you learn from your mistakes. That’s good!

I do but I can be very hard on myself too. I’ve gotten better. Lexapro has really helped me not just personally but professionally too. I used to get so nervous making telephone calls. I even used to hate addressing people by their names.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 1:09:50pm

re: #325 EPR-radar

At times like this, I’m very grateful to be spared GOP apologetics here from a Team (R) player pretending to be less sociopathic than his evil party.

I’m pretty sure he’d have been banned today if he was still here. I liked the guy despite his malfunctions, but he just kept getting worse while claiming to try to get better.

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Charles Johnson  May 4, 2017 • 1:10:06pm
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EPR-radar  May 4, 2017 • 1:11:11pm

re: #333 Charles Johnson

Caption: Greedy old men with giant tax-cut boners.

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Stanley Sea  May 4, 2017 • 1:12:01pm

re: #297 Citizen K

You have support here.

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Joe Bacon  May 4, 2017 • 1:12:04pm

re: #184 HappyWarrior

That’s the problem with revolution talk and rhetoric. I hate the GOP but I don’t want violence.

Myron and Happy I am very afraid of violence coming down the track!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 1:12:29pm

re: #331 HappyWarrior

I do but I can be very hard on myself too. I’ve gotten better. Lexapro has really helped me not just personally but professionally too. I used to get so nervous making telephone calls. I even used to hate addressing people by their names.

I still hate making phone calls, but video calls are fine because I can see the other person’s eyes. I’m on Celexa, which is the same drug, but half of it is an ineffective mirror version of the molecule that’s sorted out in Lexapro to make Lexapro twice as potent, so you need half as much. It made me friendly and outgoing, which was an amazing change.

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Timothy Watson  May 4, 2017 • 1:12:43pm

re: #333 Charles Johnson

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Who’s the shitbag in the tan suit? Looks familiar, can’t think of the name.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 1:12:54pm

re: #336 Joe Bacon

Myron and Happy I am very afraid of violence coming down the track!

It’s like nothing I’ve ever seen in our country before.

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Franklin  May 4, 2017 • 1:12:59pm

re: #316 Timothy Watson

Watch them use reconciliation for the maximum amount of IOKIYAR.

(Reconciliation was used to make some changes to the ACA and the wingnuts went nuclear over that.)

Not only that, but wingnuts think the ACA itself was passed through reconciliation.

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Amory Blaine  May 4, 2017 • 1:13:18pm

re: #338 Timothy Watson

Who’s the shitbag in the tan suit? Looks familiar, can’t think of the name.

Glen Grothman.

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lawhawk  May 4, 2017 • 1:13:57pm

re: #317 Kragar

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 1:14:06pm

re: #337 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

I still hate making phone calls, but video calls are fine because I can see the other person’s eyes. I’m on Celexa, which is the same drug, but half of it is an ineffective mirror version of the molecule that’s sorted out in Lexapro to make Lexapro twice as potent, so you need half as much. It made me friendly and outgoing, which was an amazing change.

I don’t like making them but I never dread it like i used to. But yeah I feel more friendly and outgoing than I was in teh past.

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Interesting Times  May 4, 2017 • 1:14:54pm

re: #336 Joe Bacon

Myron and Happy I am very afraid of violence coming down the track!

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lawhawk  May 4, 2017 • 1:15:04pm
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Charles Johnson  May 4, 2017 • 1:15:34pm
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BeachDem  May 4, 2017 • 1:16:04pm

re: #338 Timothy Watson

Who’s the shitbag in the tan suit? Looks familiar, can’t think of the name.

That’s Grothman from Wisconsin— a total asshole (but you knew that already)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 1:16:30pm

re: #345 lawhawk

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Timothy Watson  May 4, 2017 • 1:16:53pm

re: #311 b.d.

So the House passes an ObamaCare repeal that the Senate won’t touch and vice versa, both get to claim that they voted to repeal ObamaCare and ObamaCare goes quietly along.

I can live with that…

And the anxious WWC will talk about how great it is with TrumpCare (actually the still unrepealed ACA)

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Stanley Sea  May 4, 2017 • 1:16:58pm

LOL

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Myron Falwell  May 4, 2017 • 1:17:57pm

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 1:18:01pm

re: #332 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

I’m pretty sure he’d have been banned today if he was still here. I liked the guy despite his malfunctions, but he just kept getting worse while claiming to try to get better.

He would probably talking about how he wanted to take his anger out on his Republican friend, who seemed to be a pretty good influence on him.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 1:18:52pm

re: #350 Stanley Sea

LOL

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 1:20:14pm

re: #351 Myron Falwell

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  May 4, 2017 • 1:20:22pm

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 1:21:02pm

re: #354 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

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I really do blame Reagan for a lot of the GOP’s decline as a party.

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Sir John Barron  May 4, 2017 • 1:21:25pm

re: #349 Timothy Watson

And the anxious WWC will talk about how great it is with TrumpCare (actually the still unrepealed ACA)

My healthcare bill passed. Didn’t you see celebration at beautiful WH garden? It was on TV. Watch. My bill covers everyone, no cost. Winning. House passed my bill and now is law. Repealed Ocare totally. Don’t believe lying media.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 1:22:30pm

re: #356 HappyWarrior

I really do blame Reagan for a lot of the GOP’s decline as a party.

And America’s decline as a country. He made it legal for the “news” to intentionally mislead people. He’s why my brother is deeply-delusional from Fox News.

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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 1:23:26pm
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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2017 • 1:23:36pm

re: #358 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

And America’s decline as a country. He made it legal for the “news” to intentionally mislead people. He’s why my brother is deeply-delusional from Fox News.

A lot of the start of the decline of wages with productivity began with him too. He was also a race baiting asshole long before Trump.

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scottslemmons  May 4, 2017 • 1:24:30pm
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Myron Falwell  May 4, 2017 • 1:24:50pm

re: #356 HappyWarrior

I really do blame Reagan for a lot of the GOP’s decline as a party.

Him, Ed McLaughlin (the man who syndicated Rush) and Roger Ailes.

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Dave In Austin  May 4, 2017 • 1:25:34pm

Time to have an Owl….

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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 1:26:49pm
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Timothy Watson  May 4, 2017 • 1:28:23pm

re: #364 jaunte

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Don’t tell Trump, he’ll throw South Korea and Japan under the bus and align us with the PRC and DPRK.

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Franklin  May 4, 2017 • 1:30:30pm

re: #359 jaunte

This seems highly appropriate right now:

Big Short - Don’t fucking dance scene

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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 1:30:50pm

Thailand:

“…Thailand introduced universal coverage (UC) reforms in 2001, becoming one of only a handful of lower-middle income countries to do so. Means-tested health care for low income households was replaced by a new and more comprehensive insurance scheme, originally known as the 30 baht project, in line with the small co-payment charged for treatment.
………
In 2009, annual spending on health care amounted to 345 international dollars per person in purchasing power parity (PPP). Total expenditures represented about 4.3 percent of gross domestic product (GDP).”
en.wikipedia.org

30 baht is 87¢.

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alloutofcrazyhere  May 4, 2017 • 1:34:56pm

I figured that I’d chime in here. I see that there are some others with mental health issues like myself. Unfortunately, any screwing around with the ACA and Medicaid hurts mental health immensely.
As for me, I am pretty much stable thanks to my current medication cocktail. My depression is basically untreatable at this point in time, but at least I am not flying off in a rage like those characters drawn in the oatmeal comics.
I have been dreading this day for a long time that the GOP were going to pull this crap.
I’d like to say that misery loves company, but I am pretty sure it would just make me more miserable.

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Amory Blaine  May 4, 2017 • 1:35:42pm

I just called the Democratic party of Wisconsin. Got voice mail. Figures. I don’t think anybody even works there.

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Belafon  May 4, 2017 • 1:38:59pm

I’m going with Doug!’s attitude at Balloon Juice:

It’s going to be a mercy killing in 2018. We’re going to put the Republican majority out its misery.

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Belafon  May 4, 2017 • 1:39:29pm

Also, this:

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I cannot.  May 4, 2017 • 1:39:43pm
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Rocky-in-Connecticut  May 4, 2017 • 1:41:51pm

A staunch “Libertarian” *cough type in my family was recently diagnosed with Diabetes. He also is the sort of “bootstraps” Libertarian/Republican that borrows $$$ thousands from family members when he gets in a bind. His work history is not exactly stellar in regards to reliable employer-based healthcare.

He now is in sales, which we know can go one way or the other very quickly. Should he find himself in yet another financial mess or unemployment, I wonder how he expects to get coverage now that he has a pre-existing condition. Should make for an interesting discussion next time I talk to him.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  May 4, 2017 • 1:41:59pm

Raise your hand if you think Senator Maverick still has any integrity left

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 1:42:40pm

re: #368 alloutofcrazyhere

I figured that I’d chime in here. I see that there are some others with mental health issues like myself. Unfortunately, any screwing around with the ACA and Medicaid hurts mental health immensely.
As for me, I am pretty much stable thanks to my current medication cocktail. My depression is basically untreatable at this point in time, but at least I am not flying off in a rage like those characters drawn in the oatmeal comics.
I have been dreading this day for a long time that the GOP were going to pull this crap.
I’d like to say that misery loves company, but I am pretty sure it would just make me more miserable.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 4, 2017 • 1:43:36pm

re: #370 Belafon

I’m going with Doug!’s attitude at Balloon Juice:

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 1:44:06pm

re: #372 I cannot.

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Myron Falwell  May 4, 2017 • 1:44:23pm

re: #374 A wild WITHAK appeared!

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Raise your hand if you think Senator Maverick still has any integrity left

He had integrity?

**SNERK**

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goddamnedfrank  May 4, 2017 • 1:45:20pm

re: #303 FormerDirtDart

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 1:45:21pm

re: #370 Belafon

I’m going with Doug!’s attitude at Balloon Juice:

I’m going to see if the exclamation mark helps.

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gocart mozart  May 4, 2017 • 1:46:15pm
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allegro  May 4, 2017 • 1:47:25pm

Well such a day. Not a surprise at all, both the passing of the bill and the evil fuckers polishing their little woodies over their “success”. Which it isn’t since the Senate is round filing it in a stall to avoid the catastrophic backlash to the party it would certainly engender. They’re going to write their own bill? That should take a couple of years at least, assuming we ever hear about it again.

Thus, I will not feel rage or despair or desperation (I’m one of those 24 million) or any of those negative things that would trash my day. Not one day will I give to these assholes in sadness or defeat. I will enjoy the gratification of having ALL my laundry done (that’s a BFD for me), cook some delicious food, hang outside on this beautiful day with the dogs, and spend my evening with yarn, wine, and opera.

So there.

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Romantic Heretic  May 4, 2017 • 1:48:30pm

re: #304 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

Been trying to walk.

But since, these days, it almost always results in me being cold and wet it’s not a lot of help.

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Archangelus  May 4, 2017 • 1:48:59pm

What kind of maniacal monsters not only help strip away the health rights of MILLIONS of Americans, many of them their very own constituents, but celebrate it with beer?

This kind of behavior is what I’d expect from movie villains, not freaking US congresscritters…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 1:49:27pm

re: #383 Romantic Heretic

Been trying to walk.

But since, these days, it almost always results in me being cold and wet it’s not a lot of help.

Yeah, a change in the Chicagoland weather put a damper on that for me too. It’ll get nice again.

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allegro  May 4, 2017 • 1:49:32pm

re: #372 I cannot.

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Michele Bachmann & I wrote the first ObamaCare repeal bills 7 years ago. Her finger joined mine today to push my vote button to dismantle.

Bet I know which finger.

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EPR-radar  May 4, 2017 • 1:50:15pm

re: #384 Archangelus

What kind of maniacal monsters not only help strip away the health rights of MILLIONS of Americans, many of them their very own constituents, but celebrate it with beer?

This kind of behavior is what I’d expect from movie villains, not freaking US congresscritters…

Republicans are evil. It really is that simple.

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Belafon  May 4, 2017 • 1:51:07pm

re: #384 Archangelus

What kind of maniacal monsters not only help strip away the health rights of MILLIONS of Americans, many of them their very own constituents, but celebrate it with beer?

This kind of behavior is what I’d expect from movie villains, not freaking US congresscritters…

Trump thinks everything is a TV show.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 1:52:16pm

re: #382 allegro

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gocart mozart  May 4, 2017 • 1:55:11pm

Today in obtuse progressive posers.

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Scottish Dragon  May 4, 2017 • 1:58:01pm

Some of you may have noticed I stepped back for the last month or so. Being angry about politics was messing me up physically…blood pressure…hives…whatever.

I basically played Evony and stayed away from commenting for the most part until today.

I just looked an hour ago and I already have hives breaking out on my right arm.

FWIW, my POS congressman is opening a new office in High Point NC.

I intend to make a very unpleasant impression on the staff there. If you work for a fucking sociopath, you deserve every bit of unhappiness you get.

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allegro  May 4, 2017 • 1:59:07pm

re: #389 Jeff!

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ObserverArt  May 4, 2017 • 1:59:54pm

re: #321 BeachDem

I describe it as Democrats might not have all the answer, but at least they ask the right questions.

Republicans are a hateful, selfish, horrible cult.

Agreed…but I’m suggesting when talking about them in the collective we go with:

Republicans are a hateful, selfish, horrible gang.

Cult might even be sympathetic to a degree. Gang is a group with a nasty purpose and everyone understands the connotation.

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mmmirele  May 4, 2017 • 2:00:00pm

re: #374 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Cindy McCain has no experience to be at State. The family business is a beer distributor.

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Romantic Heretic  May 4, 2017 • 2:00:27pm

Why are Republicans so cruel to the poor and sick? They believe in the ‘just world fallacy’.

In short, people get what they deserve. If you’re poor and/or sick it’s because you deserve it for being lazy and stupid. Not hard working and smart like them.

Wingnuts? It’s a fallacy for a reason.

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goddamnedfrank  May 4, 2017 • 2:01:30pm
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I cannot.  May 4, 2017 • 2:01:52pm

re: #394 mmmirele

That’s one way to improve diplomatic relations. Actually, it might be the only way we can improve relations…

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Dave In Austin  May 4, 2017 • 2:03:20pm

Is it fair to say now that the Pubes own Healthcare, lock, stock, and barrel?

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Scottish Dragon  May 4, 2017 • 2:04:36pm

re: #398 Dave In Austin

Is it fair to say now that the Pubes own Healthcare, lock, stock, and barrel?

They soon will.

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ObserverArt  May 4, 2017 • 2:05:17pm

re: #320 Jeff!

I think the two things may not be related. We also see a ton of neurotypical people who insist that not being handed a mate is horribly unfair. The whole MRA movement for example. To some people, women are property to be aquired.

Thanks for a new word/term for me today. I had not come across “neurotypical” before.

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Belafon  May 4, 2017 • 2:05:25pm

re: #390 gocart mozart

Today in obtuse progressive posers.

So, we can fully accuse Sirota of supporting fascism.

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Stanley Sea  May 4, 2017 • 2:06:04pm

re: #389 Jeff!

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KingKenrod  May 4, 2017 • 2:08:51pm

re: #390 gocart mozart

Today in obtuse progressive posers.

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Maybe Obama can do it next week after the election is over.

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Sir John Barron  May 4, 2017 • 2:09:10pm

re: #390 gocart mozart

Nothing says middle class populism like promoting a French banker on the day the GOP is gutting your healthcare bill theguardian.com

— David Sirota

Leftwing Obama Derangement Syndrome.

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Jebediah, RBG  May 4, 2017 • 2:10:39pm
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ObserverArt  May 4, 2017 • 2:10:59pm

re: #333 Charles Johnson

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Scalise is so sca-sleazy.

He is got that stupid open mouth laugh going on in every image it seems.

Another rat I wouldn’t buy a $1000- used car from because it would really only be worth $50 once it overheats and cracks a head and the block 15 minutes away from his car lot.

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Amory Blaine  May 4, 2017 • 2:11:01pm

Bock would at least be timely and have a veneer of class for their classless act. Budweiser is just fucking pathetic.

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I cannot.  May 4, 2017 • 2:15:53pm

Content/Trigger Warnings: MRA bullshit, Incesty-creepiness

SHIT, forgot to private this

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ObserverArt  May 4, 2017 • 2:16:42pm

re: #339 HappyWarrior

It’s like nothing I’ve ever seen in our country before.

In my 60+ years this period can only be compared to the Vietnam era politically. But this one seems worse because we aren’t fighting over a foreign issue, we are fighting over a domestic one. Actually a lot of issues. And sadly, that has only happened with the U.S. Civil War.

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Amory Blaine  May 4, 2017 • 2:17:06pm

If the bill goes through the Senate Trump’ll serve moonshine at the tire fire in the rose garden.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 4, 2017 • 2:18:00pm

re: #410 Amory Blaine

… serve moonshine at the tire fire in the rose garden.

This is brilliant. Up.Ding.

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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 2:19:50pm
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Jebediah, RBG  May 4, 2017 • 2:20:55pm

re: #304 Jeff!

Yes! to the exercise. I too have clinical depression and vigorous physical exercise really does help - and I really feel its absence when I can’t get some exercise for more than several days.

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Myron Falwell  May 4, 2017 • 2:21:58pm

re: #393 ObserverArt

Agreed…but I’m suggesting when talking about them in the collective we go with:

Republicans are a hateful, selfish, horrible gang.

Cult might even be sympathetic to a degree. Gang is a group with a nasty purpose and everyone understands the connotation.

Jim Jones got his cult to murder a congressmen and an NBC reporter. They could have been capable of much worse. Same with Manson.

The GOP straddles the line between cult, gang and mental illness. For all the time they painted liberalism as “a mental disorder,” they sure act and behave as if they are legitimately unstable. Now it’s out in the open for anyone without blinders on to see.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 4, 2017 • 2:22:13pm
That’s exactly what insurance of ANY kind is, you prawn.

Prawn. I like that.

Isn’t there large set of the ayn rynd worshipers who think that any insurance should be banned and is evil incarnate?

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Myron Falwell  May 4, 2017 • 2:22:56pm

Odds on her folding like a cheap suit?

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jaunte  May 4, 2017 • 2:23:36pm

re: #415 Colère Tueur de Lapin

It’s a good name for someone who calls themselves “Iron Nail.”

The rest of her tweets on the subject are worth reading.

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ObserverArt  May 4, 2017 • 2:23:46pm

re: #341 Amory Blaine

Glen Grothman.

I can’t follow all states politics, but wasn’t Wisconsin a pretty liberal state at one time???

The state even had a freakin’ early Playboy Club in Lake Geneva. And I think I remember people talking about the liberalness of the state, with the colleges and Wisconsin, etc.

When did it start becoming so conservative, or is it not and just pissed off people?

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EPR-radar  May 4, 2017 • 2:24:29pm

re: #415 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Prawn. I like that.

Isn’t there large set of the ayn rynd worshipers who think that any insurance should be banned and is evil incarnate?

That would seem to be inconsistent, since insurance companies are serious money makers, and libertarians typically worship that.

I suspect their asinine beef is with mandatory insurance.

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Jebediah, RBG  May 4, 2017 • 2:24:56pm

re: #320 Jeff!

The whole MRA movement for example. To some people, women are property to be aquired.

And then they act all confused that women aren’t fighting to be with them…

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EPR-radar  May 4, 2017 • 2:25:45pm

re: #418 ObserverArt

I can’t follow all states politics, but wasn’t Wisconsin a pretty liberal state at one time???

The state even had a freakin’ early Playboy Club in Lake Geneva. And I think I remember people talking about the liberalness of the state, with the colleges and Wisconsin, etc.

When did it start becoming so conservative, or is it not and just pissed off people?

Scott Walker has been running amok in Wisconsin for a long time now, and even survived a recall attempt.

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Joe Bacon  May 4, 2017 • 2:27:33pm

re: #416 Myron Falwell

She always does what Mitch tells her to do.

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ObserverArt  May 4, 2017 • 2:27:40pm

re: #351 Myron Falwell

Hidden because of NSFW language.

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Bringing some heat to Cleveland today aren’t you?

It’s a pretty raw 60° here in Columbus today, I can imagine what it is like there today.

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ObserverArt  May 4, 2017 • 2:30:48pm

re: #356 HappyWarrior

I really do blame Reagan for a lot of the GOP’s decline as a party.

Actually go on ahead and blame Reagan for a lot of decline in this country because of how he twisted the politics and started the real decline in unions and let businesses begin to run wild.

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ObserverArt  May 4, 2017 • 2:32:20pm

re: #363 Dave In Austin

Time to have an Owl….

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Wow. Talk about camouflage. Great image.

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(alpuz)  May 4, 2017 • 2:32:52pm

re: #418 ObserverArt

I can’t follow all states politics, but wasn’t Wisconsin a pretty liberal state at one time???

The state even had a freakin’ early Playboy Club in Lake Geneva. And I think I remember people talking about the liberalness of the state, with the colleges and Wisconsin, etc.

When did it start becoming so conservative, or is it not and just pissed off people?

Grothman is the epitome of a safe district dipshit Republican. Wisconsin is split, pretty much like every other state. The UW system has been under attack from Walker and the WisGoP but the universities are for the most part liberal, or in blue/purple cities. Especially Madison(my son is a freshman).

The rural area is fed their news through Fox and right-wing radio. And, there is a whole lot of rural in Wisconsin.

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thedopefishlives  May 4, 2017 • 2:32:55pm

Evening Lizardim.

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BlueGrl21  May 4, 2017 • 2:33:19pm

Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.

When the CBO score comes out, the narrative will immediately shift to “House Republican bill to strip 24,000,000 of health insurance, raise premiums by….” It will be the top story.

Then the Senate will reject the bill, as they already have, and write their own. We’ll see what they come up with.

So, House Republicans just stepped in a pile of flaming shit. The Senate doesn’t want their bill and the top story will be what a crap bill it is. Then we’ll get to, “Did Republicans rush into X for optics for President Trump?”

Let it play out.

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calochortus  May 4, 2017 • 2:33:25pm

re: #408 I cannot.

Content/Trigger Warnings: MRA bullshit, Incesty-creepiness

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Gee, our daughter, in whom we invested money, love and a few sleepless nights, married a wonderful man whom we are proud to call our son(-in-law.) She chose well. We are happy.

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William Lewis  May 4, 2017 • 2:33:36pm

re: #418 ObserverArt

I can’t follow all states politics, but wasn’t Wisconsin a pretty liberal state at one time???

The state even had a freakin’ early Playboy Club in Lake Geneva. And I think I remember people talking about the liberalness of the state, with the colleges and Wisconsin, etc.

When did it start becoming so conservative, or is it not and just pissed off people?

It’s the Fox River Valley. There were a huge number of reverse carpetbaggers that infested that region and have been poisoning the rest of the state ever since. At this point I just ponder trying to get my son Political Asylum in Canada before his mental health care is completely gone.

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Amory Blaine  May 4, 2017 • 2:34:38pm

re: #418 ObserverArt

Yeah, IDK. Even the “liberals” can be wingnutty. My friends growing up were mostly self-described RWNJ. The only real blue in the Milwaukee area is the inner city and the affluent east side.

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gocart mozart  May 4, 2017 • 2:38:39pm
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(alpuz)  May 4, 2017 • 2:39:07pm

re: #430 William Lewis

Hey, walked by the Joynt a few days ago.. it’s pretty much the same ole place. UWEC, on the other hand, is getting pretty big.

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Skip Intro  May 4, 2017 • 2:39:42pm

How One Major Internet Company Helps Serve Up Hate on the Web

These people are not just going to go away. We’re in for the fight of our life now.

Cloudflare, a prominent San Francisco outfit, provides services to neo-Nazi sites like The Daily Stormer, including giving them personal information on people who complain about their content.

propublica.org

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ObserverArt  May 4, 2017 • 2:42:09pm

re: #382 allegro

Well such a day. Not a surprise at all, both the passing of the bill and the evil fuckers polishing their little woodies over their “success”. Which it isn’t since the Senate is round filing it in a stall to avoid the catastrophic backlash to the party it would certainly engender. They’re going to write their own bill? That should take a couple of years at least, assuming we ever hear about it again.

Thus, I will not feel rage or despair or desperation (I’m one of those 24 million) or any of those negative things that would trash my day. Not one day will I give to these assholes in sadness or defeat. I will enjoy the gratification of having ALL my laundry done (that’s a BFD for me), cook some delicious food, hang outside on this beautiful day with the dogs, and spend my evening with yarn, wine, and opera.

So there.

Yeah, I’m part of the 24 million too. Scratching and clawing my way to being able to go to Medicare in two years, if it is still there and affordable for the secondary coverage.

Sigh.

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steve_davis  May 4, 2017 • 2:43:25pm

re: #22 piratedan

you may wish to put your faith in Mitch McConnell and and Lindsey Graham, I’ll pass on that… outside of Murkowski, I would expect all of the GOP to “get on board” with the political kabuki of showing that uppity 44 what he can do with his healthcare.

yep. i have absolutely no doubt Republicans will happily jump on this and ball it til the cows come home. Susan Collins will get her standard pass so that she can continue to pretend she is a “moderate” Republican. All the rest will do exactly what the “moderate” Republicans in the House did, as I predicted: they’ll hear McConnell ring the bell and they’ll come come run to rub themselves around his legs. The good news? The only way this thing actually passes is if it somehow could go through reconciliation, and it’s going to add a shit-ton of debt to the deficit, so that won’t work. In order to actually make it revenue-neutral, it will have to be revamped so severely that the Freedom Caucus will once again balk.

438
Amory Blaine  May 4, 2017 • 2:43:56pm

re: #431 Amory Blaine

David Clarke is a democrat. SMH. Yeah it’s screwed up here.

439
I Would Prefer Not To  May 4, 2017 • 2:45:35pm

re: #429 calochortus

Gee, our daughter, in whom we invested money, love and a few sleepless nights, married a wonderful man whom we are proud to call our son(-in-law.) She chose well. We are happy.

Congrats.

My daughter is a Jr in kollege. Makes the dean’s list every semester. We did our best and who she chooses to sleep with is her business. I would like grandchildren someday, but it’s not MY choice. I think that anyone with a son or daughter learns to mind their own business when it comes to sex/important life decisions. My sense is that the writer has no children and never gets laid. It is off the charts creepy to think of your grown children’s sex life.

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calochortus  May 4, 2017 • 2:46:42pm

re: #436 ObserverArt

One year to Medicare for me. Since my insurance rates are set through the end of this year, that means only 4 months of uncertainty at the beginning of next year. I can’t don’t have to tell you what a relief it will be to leave that uncertainty behind.

441
Myron Falwell  May 4, 2017 • 2:49:42pm

re: #438 Amory Blaine

David Clarke is a democrat. SMH. Yeah it’s screwed up here.

If he somehow doesn’t get primaried from the Democrat nomination after revealing himself as a neo-Nazi homicidal manic Republican, then I wouldn’t have an issue with writing the state off.

442
Eclectic Cyborg  May 4, 2017 • 2:49:53pm

New one:

443
calochortus  May 4, 2017 • 2:50:08pm

re: #439 I Would Prefer Not To

Yeah, grandchildren would be nice. Not looking to hopeful right now, but I care more that my kids are happy than that they produce grandchildren. I do tell my son (not currently in a relationship) that he’ll be our last hope since guys can reproduce at older ages than women. ;)

444
I Would Prefer Not To  May 4, 2017 • 2:51:41pm

re: #428 BlueGrl21

Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.

When the CBO score comes out, the narrative will immediately shift to “House Republican bill to strip 24,000,000 of health insurance, raise premiums by….” It will be the top story.

Then the Senate will reject the bill, as they already have, and write their own. We’ll see what they come up with.

So, House Republicans just stepped in a pile of flaming shit. The Senate doesn’t want their bill and the top story will be what a crap bill it is. Then we’ll get to, “Did Republicans rush into X for optics for President Trump?”

Let it play out.

re: #443 calochortus

My

Yeah, grandchildren would be nice. Not looking to hopeful right now, but I care more that my kids are happy than that they produce grandchildren. I do tell my son (not currently in a relationship) that he’ll be our last hope since guys can reproduce at older ages than women. ;)

My 2o year old son says all his kids are going to have four legs. Whom am I to judge?

445
Myron Falwell  May 4, 2017 • 2:56:11pm

re: #424 ObserverArt

Actually go on ahead and blame Reagan for a lot of decline in this country because of how he twisted the politics and started the real decline in unions and let businesses begin to run wild.

And he let the HIV/AIDS epidemic go on for years because they were LGBT that were dying… until Rock Hudson died.

The modern-day GOP rank-and-file are simply following his lead, note by note.

446
EPR-radar  May 4, 2017 • 2:56:18pm

re: #437 steve_davis

yep. i have absolutely no doubt Republicans will happily jump on this and ball it til the cows come home. Susan Collins will get her standard pass so that she can continue to pretend she is a “moderate” Republican. All the rest will do exactly what the “moderate” Republicans in the House did, as I predicted: they’ll hear McConnell ring the bell and they’ll come come run to rub themselves around his legs. The good news? The only way this thing actually passes is if it somehow could go through reconciliation, and it’s going to add a shit-ton of debt to the deficit, so that won’t work. In order to actually make it revenue-neutral, it will have to be revamped so severely that the Freedom Caucus will once again balk.

That shows a faith in the ability of Senate Republicans to follow an honest process that I don’t have.

As I understand it, they can overrule the Senate parliamentarian on whether or not this can be done on reconciliation with a simple majority vote. So they can jam this budget-buster through on reconciliation if they want to.

447
ObserverArt  May 4, 2017 • 2:59:11pm

re: #428 BlueGrl21

Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.

When the CBO score comes out, the narrative will immediately shift to “House Republican bill to strip 24,000,000 of health insurance, raise premiums by….” It will be the top story.

Then the Senate will reject the bill, as they already have, and write their own. We’ll see what they come up with.

So, House Republicans just stepped in a pile of flaming shit. The Senate doesn’t want their bill and the top story will be what a crap bill it is. Then we’ll get to, “Did Republicans rush into X for optics for President Trump?”

Let it play out.

I heard a guy, I believe was on Lawrence last night, that said when you look into this version it really will be more than 24,000,000. He said it needed to be studied as at that time of night he had just seen the review and said the numbers will grow.

And just as Lawhawk pointed out earlier, the big surprise in the package is it is going to screw a lot of people that have employment based insurance. The preexisting conditions is going to cause big problems for medium to small businesses as the rates will be so high they will either refuse to cover you or the employee is going to have to pay more. And the coverage will still suck.

A lot of people are thinking this is just on the ‘free loaders” covered by Obamacare.

Joke will be on them as they discover the freeloaders will be the insurance companies and the rich.

Ka-Boom!!!

448
Puss Power  May 4, 2017 • 3:01:55pm

re: #440 calochortus

One year to Medicare for me. Since my insurance rates are set through the end of this year, that means only 4 months of uncertainty at the beginning of next year. I can’t don’t have to tell you what a relief it will be to leave that uncertainty behind.

Eight month “gap” for me. I worry about a big jump in premiums, but not loss of coverage.

449
Myron Falwell  May 4, 2017 • 3:05:51pm

“I’m furious right now but still need to flag this blatant public nose pick.”

I want to punch a fucking wall right now. The 1791 French Estates General wasn’t this fucking out of touch.

450
Jebediah, RBG  May 4, 2017 • 3:06:20pm

re: #354 Jeff!

It seems that much if not most of the shittiness that can’t be traced back to Dick Nixon came from fucking Reagan.
First election I was old enough to really pay attention to, and my first of many big prediction fails. I was SURE our country wouldn’t elect someone so obviously dim.

451
ObserverArt  May 4, 2017 • 3:07:16pm

re: #430 William Lewis

It’s the Fox River Valley. There were a huge number of reverse carpetbaggers that infested that region and have been poisoning the rest of the state ever since. At this point I just ponder trying to get my son Political Asylum in Canada before his mental health care is completely gone.

Ooooo. This I did not know. A buddy and I stayed in Oshkosh once because we were late in deciding to go to a Champcar/Sportscar race at Road America/Elkhart Lake and that was about as good a hotel we could find on short notice. Plus we liked being around Lake Winnebago.

452
gocart mozart  May 4, 2017 • 3:09:00pm
453
FormerDirtDart  May 4, 2017 • 3:09:37pm

“…Adam S. Lovinger, a 12-year strategic affairs analyst with the Pentagon’s Office of Net Assessment (ONA), has been on loan to the NSC since January when he was picked for the position by then-National Security Adviser Michael T. Flynn.

Lovinger was notified in a letter from the Pentagon on Monday that his Top-Secret, Sensitive Compartmented Information (TS-SCI) clearance had been suspended and that he had to return to the Pentagon.

The letter cited unspecified outside activities by Lovinger. The notice said the suspension was approved by Kevin Sweeney, chief of staff for Defense Secretary James Mattis.

One official said Lovinger was targeted by Trump opponents because of his conservative views and ties to Flynn, specifically his past association with the Flynn Intel Group, Inc., a consulting business….”

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FormerDirtDart  May 4, 2017 • 3:10:08pm
455
ObserverArt  May 4, 2017 • 3:14:21pm

re: #432 gocart mozart

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I know you like your tunes. Seeing Robert Palmer reminded me of catching him before he was real famous. He was in a band called Vinegar Joe with a female singer named Elkie Brooks. If you like Stones, Faces type blues you’ll like this. It might even be from the same year I saw them (‘72). Look how young Palmer looks! If you like them there are plenty of YouTubes.

Vinegar Joe - Rusty Red Armour (Robert Palmer & Elkie Brooks)

456
Blind Frog Belly White  May 4, 2017 • 3:14:31pm

All last year:
Trump: I’ll replace Obamacare with something that covers more people, with lower premiums and less out of pocket, and better care for everyone!

Last month:
Ryan: Here’s our Obamacare replacement bill, Mr. President!

Trump: Great! Does it cover more people, with lower premiums and less out of pocket, and better care for everyone?

Ryan: Not even close! In fact, just the reverse!

Trump: Great! Let’s pass it!

CBO: This bill will fuck millions of people!

HFC: This doesn’t fuck enough people hard enough!!

Ryan: Okay, let’s fuck those people, then.

Moderates: Now it fucks too many people too hard!

Trump and Ryan: Aw, fuck it. We give up.

This week
Ryan: Hey, you remember that bill we had that didn’t do anything you promised?

Trump: Yeah.

Ryan: We made it EVEN LESS like what you promised!

Trump: Great! Let’s pass it!

HFC: This bill fucks lots and lots of people, especially poor and sick people! FINALLY, something we can vote for!

Moderates: But now it REALLY fucks too many people!

Ryan: Okay, what if we set aside far too little money as a pretense that we care?

Moderates: Yeah, that’ll do it. Let’s vote!

House GOP: FUCK YOU, POOR, SICK AND OLD PEOPLE!

Trump: This is great! Can I sign it?

Senate: Yeah….no. Not like THIS.

457
ObserverArt  May 4, 2017 • 3:20:41pm

re: #445 Myron Falwell

And he let the HIV/AIDS epidemic go on for years because they were LGBT that were dying… until Rock Hudson died.

The modern-day GOP rank-and-file are simply following his lead, note by note.

To go along with his buddy Edwin Meese and the Attorney General’s Commission on Pornography. Bunch of tight-assed creeps that probably had big closets.

458
Jebediah, RBG  May 4, 2017 • 3:21:31pm
459
Jebediah, RBG  May 4, 2017 • 3:26:14pm

re: #419 EPR-radar

I suspect their asinine beef is with mandatory insurance.

They have beef with ANYTHING “libtards” like or approve of.

460
sagehen  May 4, 2017 • 3:35:47pm

re: #429 calochortus

Gee, our daughter, in whom we invested money, love and a few sleepless nights, married a wonderful man whom we are proud to call our son(-in-law.) She chose well. We are happy.

And if you’re really lucky, she gave you a great set of machatenesters at the same time…

461
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 4, 2017 • 3:42:14pm

re: #402 Stanley Sea

w/L7UbWeRVmwn0Z0Z/xmk9SCbRUS02PA2vZaEuMojW1v1ZMML8uaqff783lYtzHv

462
Joe Bacon  May 4, 2017 • 3:58:27pm

re: #457 ObserverArt

To go along with his buddy Edwin Meese and the Attorney General’s Commission on Pornography. Bunch of tight-assed creeps that probably had big closets.

Don’t get me started about that evil mother father Bruce Ritter!

463
Cheechako  May 4, 2017 • 4:18:30pm

re: #437 steve_davis

yep. i have absolutely no doubt Republicans will happily jump on this and ball it til the cows come home. Susan Collins and Murkowski will get her standard pass so that she can continue to pretend she is a “moderate” Republican. All the rest will do exactly what the “moderate” Republicans in the House did, as I predicted: they’ll hear McConnell ring the bell and they’ll come come run to rub themselves around his legs. The good news? The only way this thing actually passes is if it somehow could go through reconciliation, and it’s going to add a shit-ton of debt to the deficit, so that won’t work. In order to actually make it revenue-neutral, it will have to be revamped so severely that the Freedom Caucus will once again balk.

FIFY


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