Video: In Interview With Lester Holt, Trump Contradicts EVERYTHING the White House Said About Firing Comey

Trump makes liars out of his spokespeople again
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We’re really at the point of utter absurdity now. In his interview with NBC’s Lester Holt this morning, Donald Trump actually came out and contradicted every official statement the White House has made about his firing of FBI director James Comey — and took a personal swipe at Comey in the process, calling him a “showboat” and a “grandstander.”

Yesterday, the official word from the White House was that Trump had not made any decision to fire Comey before the recommendation from the Deputy Attorney General. But in this interview, Trump states outright that he had already made this decision — and not only that, he was going to fire Comey regardless of what the Deputy AG recommended.

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And there’s more. Trump also says he spoke with Comey specifically to ask if he was under investigation by the FBI, not once but THREE times — once at a “very nice dinner.”

Donald Trump is going to greatly regret giving this interview. He just made liars out of all his spokespeople.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 11, 2017 • 11:50:48am

Reposted again from downstairs, because Pete Souza is a beautiful, beautiful troll man and everyone should enjoy his Instagram account.

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Wonder what they are thinking?

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  May 11, 2017 • 11:52:39am

They are probably thinking “Please Impeach this asshole currently occupying the White House so that we never have to pose with him in any future photo like this one.”

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darthstar  May 11, 2017 • 11:53:11am
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lawhawk  May 11, 2017 • 11:53:24am

re: #1 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Carter: Sweet Jebus, what is it with Trump
Clinton: At least I got a BJ in exchange for impeachment. Trump’s fucking the entire nation (and ~half don’t seem to mind).
GWB: I can’t believe that one of my metaphors went over that guy’s head.
Obama: I warned him, and he thought it was a joke.

Biden: Can I NOW turn off the power to the WH?

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freetoken  May 11, 2017 • 11:53:27am

re: #2 Rocky-in-Connecticut

They probably hope they don’t die while Trump is in office, because then he’ll talk at their funeral.

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lawhawk  May 11, 2017 • 11:54:09am
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 11, 2017 • 11:54:13am

re: #4 lawhawk

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Meetings, 2016.

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BigPapa  May 11, 2017 • 11:56:15am

This is just popping up on Twitter, seems like it might be something:
FBI searching Annapolis GOP fundraising firm

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  May 11, 2017 • 11:57:16am

Either Trump or Pence is lying

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Both can be impeached and removed from office.

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Sir John Barron  May 11, 2017 • 11:58:09am

re: #8 BigPapa

This is just popping up on Twitter, seems like it might be something:
FBI searching Annapolis GOP fundraising firm

Nothing about Russia link (so far). May be unrelated to a Russian investigation.

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freetoken  May 11, 2017 • 11:58:30am

re: #9 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Either Trump or Pence is lying

politico.com

Both can be impeached and removed from office.

The operative verb being “can” and not “will”.

The Republicans in Congress have already stated they aren’t going to do so. They have yet to really open an investigation. It’s only the intelligence committee in the Senate that seems really interested in doing anything.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 11, 2017 • 11:59:02am

re: #10 Sir John Barron

See lawhawk’s #6.

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BigPapa  May 11, 2017 • 11:59:29am

Something big is going down with the FBI. This could be the start of it all.

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darthstar  May 11, 2017 • 12:00:01pm

re: #4 lawhawk

GWB: I can’t believe that one of my metaphors went over that guy’s head.

THAT was funny.

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Sir John Barron  May 11, 2017 • 12:00:55pm

re: #12 klys (maker of Silmarils)

See lawhawk’s #6.

Drain The Swamp

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ObserverArt  May 11, 2017 • 12:00:59pm

re: #11 freetoken

The operative verb being “can” and not “will”.

The Republicans in Congress have already stated they aren’t going to do so. They have yet to really open an investigation. It’s only the intelligence committee in the Senate that seems really interested in doing anything.

What they stated yesterday may not hold up tomorrow. Everything is subject to change depending on how hot the grill is getting.

I like burnt McConnell and Ryan.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 11, 2017 • 12:01:20pm

re: #3 darthstar

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He has to make up for having no mind by constantly bullshitting everyone, including himself.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2017 • 12:02:36pm

re: #4 lawhawk

Carter: Sweet Jebus, what is it with Trump
Clinton: At least I got a BJ in exchange for impeachment. Trump’s fucking the entire nation (and ~half don’t seem to mind).
GWB: I can’t believe that one of my metaphors went over that guy’s head.
Obama: I warned him, and he thought it was a joke.

Biden: Can I NOW turn off the power to the WH?

Read it in their voices.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  May 11, 2017 • 12:03:09pm

We may be looking at a President Ryan. He may be burnt but Trump and Pence are toast if this plays out like I’m starting to think.

Ryan will be just as bad at screwing the average American but at least he is not craven to the Fundamentalist crazies or the alt-right creeps.

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Charles Johnson  May 11, 2017 • 12:03:52pm
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allegro  May 11, 2017 • 12:04:06pm

re: #19 Rocky-in-Connecticut

We may be looking at a President McConnell. He may be burnt but Trump and Pence are toast if this plays out like I’m starting to think.

McConnell will be just as bad at screwing the average American but at least he is not craven to the Fundamentalist crazies or the alt-right creeps.

You mean Ryan?

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Timothy Watson  May 11, 2017 • 12:04:13pm

re: #19 Rocky-in-Connecticut

We may be looking at a President McConnell. He may be burnt but Trump and Pence are toast if this plays out like I’m starting to think.

McConnell will be just as bad at screwing the average American but at least he is not craven to the Fundamentalist crazies or the alt-right creeps.

After Pence would be Paul Ryan as Speaker and Orrin Hatch as President Pro Tempore of the Senate.

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ObserverArt  May 11, 2017 • 12:04:25pm

re: #19 Rocky-in-Connecticut

We may be looking at a President McConnell. He may be burnt but Trump and Pence are toast if this plays out like I’m starting to think.

McConnell will be just as bad at screwing the average American but at least he is not craven to the Fundamentalist crazies or the alt-right creeps.

Would not that be President, and equally burnt, Paul Ryan?

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  May 11, 2017 • 12:04:34pm

re: #21 allegro

You mean Ryan?

Yes, thanks, got confused and corrected. Thank you.

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freetoken  May 11, 2017 • 12:05:22pm

I guess I’m skeptical anything will happen, at least very quickly.

Perhaps we are working ourselves up into a frenzy over something that will go nowhere?

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 11, 2017 • 12:05:25pm

re: #8 BigPapa

This is just popping up on Twitter, seems like it might be something:
FBI searching Annapolis GOP fundraising firm

I was mentioning this on the last thread, or maybe the one before that.

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Targetpractice  May 11, 2017 • 12:05:36pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

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Charles Johnson  May 11, 2017 • 12:06:04pm

LOL

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Sir John Barron  May 11, 2017 • 12:06:36pm

re: #22 Timothy Watson

After Pence would be Paul Ryan as Speaker and Orrin Hatch as President Pro Tempore of the Senate.

Poor Turtle. Always left out.

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darthstar  May 11, 2017 • 12:07:05pm
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lawhawk  May 11, 2017 • 12:07:19pm

re: #18 HappyWarrior

Shit, why didn’t you say that in the first place!
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freetoken  May 11, 2017 • 12:07:23pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Poor guy has to find some windmill at which to tilt, to escape the politics of DC.

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ObserverArt  May 11, 2017 • 12:07:26pm

re: #25 freetoken

I guess I’m skeptical anything will happen, at least very quickly.

Perhaps we are working ourselves up into a frenzy over something that will go nowhere?

Frenzy??? Come on. We are just hoping this nightmare ends. That is no frenzy, it is hope. Huge difference.

And we are all members of LGF…if you hadn’t noticed, it is all about the politics.

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makeitstop  May 11, 2017 • 12:07:40pm

re: #10 Sir John Barron

Nothing about Russia link (so far). May be unrelated to a Russian investigation.

See Lawhawk’s #6. Manafort-related.

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scottslemmons  May 11, 2017 • 12:07:42pm

re: #19 Rocky-in-Connecticut

We may be looking at a President McConnell. He may be burnt but Trump and Pence are toast if this plays out like I’m starting to think.

McConnell will be just as bad at screwing the average American but at least he is not craven to the Fundamentalist crazies or the alt-right creeps.

Paul Ryan may not be beholden to the fundamentalists or Nazis, but the one and only thing he cares about is killing social programs. As long as they let him torch Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, food stamps, etc., he let the rest of the party do whatever they want.

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Belafon  May 11, 2017 • 12:07:53pm

re: #13 BigPapa

Something big is going down with the FBI. This could be the start of it all.

I think we should view all of the individual things going on as snowflakes. It’s the avalanche together that will mean something.

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darthstar  May 11, 2017 • 12:08:35pm
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Scottish Dragon  May 11, 2017 • 12:09:55pm

Presented here without further comment, except to note that this is real interview with Trump in Time Magazine today. This is not a satire. This is not The Onion. I’m serious.

On the future USS Ford-class carriers

You know the catapult is quite important. So I said what is this? Sir, this is our digital catapult system. He said well, we’re going to this because we wanted to keep up with modern [technology]. I said you don’t use steam anymore for catapult? No sir. I said, “Ah, how is it working?” “Sir, not good. Not good. Doesn’t have the power. You know the steam is just brutal. You see that sucker going and steam’s going all over the place, there’s planes thrown in the air.”

It sounded bad to me. Digital. They have digital. What is digital? And it’s very complicated, you have to be Albert Einstein to figure it out. And I said-and now they want to buy more aircraft carriers. I said what system are you going to be-“Sir, we’re staying with digital.” I said no you’re not. You going to goddamned steam, the digital costs hundreds of millions of dollars more money and it’s no good.

On negotiating with defense contractors

When [Japanese Prime Minister Shinzō] Abe came from Japan, first thing he said to me when I first met him. He walked out. “Thank you, thank you.” I said, “For what?” F-35. You bought, you saved us one hundred million dollars. Because they’re part of the group that buy the ninety planes. It’s a lot. We get, they get, different allies.

But I saved Japan a hundred million bucks. Took me probably an hour if I added up all the time. But I will be saving, when we put that out over two, the two thousand five hundred planes, billions of dollars. Nobody ever wrote a story about that.

But they said the F-35 program is now straightened out and the costs are way down. They’re down because of me. Then Boeing when the F-18, I mean I must have got thirty-five million of each plane off… . You know they had the F-35s, they had thirty-five of them fly over Japan when [Defense Secretary] General [James] Mattis was there, and they were not detected by the radar. They flew over and everyone said where the hell did they come from? That’s stealth. It’s pretty cool, right. Thirty-five of them flying at a high speed, low, and they were not detected. They flew right over the top of the deal, nobody knew they were coming. Pretty cool, right?

time.com

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 11, 2017 • 12:10:05pm

re: #33 ObserverArt

Frenzy??? Come on. We are just hoping this nightmare ends. That is no frenzy, it is hope. Huge difference.

And we are all members of LGF…if you hadn’t noticed, it is all about the politics.

Sure, but if someone didn’t care what’s real, they could directly compare this to wingnuts hoping the nightmare of peace and prosperity ends based on Obama’s birthplace.

Both sides have the same motivations. One is reality-based, one is not.

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darthstar  May 11, 2017 • 12:10:34pm

re: #17 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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He has to make up for having no mind by constantly bullshitting everyone, including himself.

Yeah, I’m trying to imagine him in court…
“Would you like to cross examine him?”
“Can I have a recess until tomorrow? Today’s answers aren’t what I want to hear.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 11, 2017 • 12:10:34pm

re: #25 freetoken

I guess I’m skeptical anything will happen, at least very quickly.

Perhaps we are working ourselves up into a frenzy over something that will go nowhere?

Funny you should say ‘quickly’ - the Right is pushing the idea that the investigation has gone on and on, and nothing’s been found, so they should just drop it already!

You know, like they dropped Benghazi, or Whitewater, or Vince Foster, or any number of other ‘scandals’.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 11, 2017 • 12:11:24pm

re: #35 scottslemmons

Paul Ryan may not be beholden to the fundamentalists or Nazis, but the one and only thing he cares about is killing social programs. As long as they let him torch Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, food stamps, etc., he let the rest of the party do whatever they want.

You have to go really deep into the Republican hierarchy to find someone who isn’t a complete monster, so we’re screwed until 2020 no matter what happens.

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Timothy Watson  May 11, 2017 • 12:12:41pm

re: #38 Scottish Dragon

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Presented here without further comment, except to note that this is real interview with Trump in Time Magazine today. This is not a satire. This is not The Onion. I’m serious.

Can someone explain to me why any businessman would have fallen for shit that Trump was selling back in the day?

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Dr. Matt  May 11, 2017 • 12:13:12pm
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Dr Lizardo  May 11, 2017 • 12:13:13pm

re: #38 Scottish Dragon

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Presented here without further comment, except to note that this is real interview with Trump in Time Magazine today. This is not a satire. This is not The Onion. I’m serious.

Just curiosity on my part; that photo……..does anyone here know where it’s from? What movie? Is it from Logan’s Run? It looks like a 70’s-era matte painting.

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ObserverArt  May 11, 2017 • 12:13:31pm

re: #39 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Sure, but if someone didn’t care what’s real, they could directly compare this to wingnuts hoping the nightmare of peace and prosperity ends based on Obama’s birthplace.

Both sides have the same motivations. One is reality-based, one is not.

Context. Freetoken made the statement to LGF members.

And with that…later. I sense a time to let this cook some more.

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Timothy Watson  May 11, 2017 • 12:13:46pm

re: #45 Dr Lizardo

Just curiosity on my part; that photo……..does anyone here know where it’s from? What movie? Is it from Logan’s Run? It looks like a 70’s-era matte painting.

Fallout 3 concept art.

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Targetpractice  May 11, 2017 • 12:13:56pm

Tueday: “The decision to fire Comey was months in the making, we didn’t rush into this.”

Wednesday: “We followed Rosenstein’s decision to fire Comey, he’s the one who said we should do it!”

Thursday: “We were always going to fire Comey, regardless of what Rosenstein recommended.”

Friday: “WHY THE FUCK ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT COMEY!?”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 11, 2017 • 12:14:05pm

re: #43 Timothy Watson

Can someone explain to me why any businessman would have fallen for shit that Trump was selling back in the day?

Various sources have done comparison of how he spoke even ten years ago versus how he speaks today and that there has been a notable decline. It’s one reason why I do consider the theories that he has some sort of dementia very plausible.

That said most people in the NYC area haven’t taken him seriously as a businessman for decades.

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darthstar  May 11, 2017 • 12:14:19pm
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BigPapa  May 11, 2017 • 12:14:31pm

Still early, a long road ahead, rumors will fly and information could be incorrect.

But I really hope this is the beginning of our democracy withstanding the utter assault of the last 15 months and justice being served. A day late for my birthday, one I won’t soon forget.

Plus I got a ticket for car/cell phone on my actual birthday. I knew I was going into a known cell phone/seatbelt trap area and threw my phone down. Too later, Officer Eagle Eye got me already. $297 ouch!

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Dr Lizardo  May 11, 2017 • 12:14:36pm

re: #47 Timothy Watson

Fallout 3 concept art.

Ah, OK. Cool. I was wondering - I’ve seen it pop up on the web from time to time.

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darthstar  May 11, 2017 • 12:15:10pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 11, 2017 • 12:15:11pm

re: #45 Dr Lizardo

Just curiosity on my part; that photo……..does anyone here know where it’s from? What movie? Is it from Logan’s Run? It looks like a 70’s-era matte painting.

That was my guess, but I haven’t seen the movie in years. I’ve also watched the TV series, so you know I’ll watch just about anything Sci-Fi.

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Timothy Watson  May 11, 2017 • 12:15:16pm

re: #52 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, ISIS used the picture in a video, magazine, or some publication.

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goddamnedfrank  May 11, 2017 • 12:15:17pm

It’s not that he thinks we’re stupid, it’s that he’s literally this fucking stupid.

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ipsos  May 11, 2017 • 12:15:45pm

I have never felt this sick about politics in my lifetime, and Nixon was the president when I was hatched.

It’s seriously hard to concentrate on “work” work these last few days.

I think I need a hug…

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 11, 2017 • 12:15:59pm

If Comey was as popular with his FBI underlings as reported, his firing yesterday just might have been the impetus to get things really rolling. My sympathy for him still = 0.

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Dr Lizardo  May 11, 2017 • 12:16:12pm

re: #49 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Various sources have done comparison of how he spoke even ten years ago versus how he speaks today and that there has been a notable decline. It’s one reason why I do consider the theories that he has some sort of dementia very plausible.

That said most people in the NYC area haven’t taken him seriously as a businessman for decades.

My boss is from the Big Apple; he said Trump’s been regarded as a two-bit shyster since he was a kid, and my boss is in his mid-forties.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 11, 2017 • 12:16:33pm

re: #57 ipsos

I can’t give you a hug directly, but here’s a kitten livestream which is sort of the same thing.

Kitten Academy Live Stream

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 11, 2017 • 12:17:11pm

re: #59 Dr Lizardo

My boss is from the Big Apple; he said Trump’s been regarded as a two-bit shyster since he was a kid, and my boss is in his mid-forties.

I grew up in the suburbs of NYC. Trump was a joke.

Is still a joke, just a really fucking depressing one now.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 11, 2017 • 12:17:55pm
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goddamnedfrank  May 11, 2017 • 12:18:09pm
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Scottish Dragon  May 11, 2017 • 12:18:41pm
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darthstar  May 11, 2017 • 12:18:48pm
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lawhawk  May 11, 2017 • 12:18:58pm

re: #38 Scottish Dragon

We were discussing the Ford Class carriers and the EMALs system that Trump is complaining about in his interview in the overnight dead thread. Trump is a fucking moron.

He has the JCS who can answer his beck and call about anything. He doesn’t listen or care about any of this stuff. He thinks he knows what he’s talking about, and ignores all the shortcomings of the steam catapult system and the benefits of the electromagnetic rail launch system. The digital system might cost more at the outset, but it gives the Navy even more flexibility - they can launch a wider array of aircraft, reduce stress on the airframe (extending its life), and can even launch UAVs, which is something not possible with the steam systems.

All future US carriers will be going with the EMAL (digital/electromagnetic system), also because they can fire off more planes in a shorter time. It also reduces the heat signature, frees up space under the flight deck for other gear, and eliminates need for separate steam systems; these are things that anyone can learn just by googling.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 11, 2017 • 12:19:04pm

re: #57 ipsos

I have never felt this sick about politics in my lifetime, and Nixon was the president when I was hatched.

It’s seriously hard to concentrate on “work” work these last few days.

I think I need a hug…

Then Nixon had blown over by the time you were old enough to worry about it. This madness is brand new to many of us for that reason, which is part of why we keep freaking out.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 11, 2017 • 12:19:08pm

Sorry if it’s early to go off. Off topic I mean. I was driving a muscle car in the 1970’s

OPEC to U.S.: Please don’t pump so much oil!

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Charles Johnson  May 11, 2017 • 12:19:15pm
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nines09  May 11, 2017 • 12:20:05pm

re: #51 BigPapa

Did he have the brass to say “Happy Birthday” as he handed you the ticket?

Happy Birthday!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 11, 2017 • 12:20:19pm

re: #68 Unshaken Defiance

Sorry if it’s early to go off. Of topic I mean. I was driving a muscle car in the 1970’s

OPEC to U.S.: Please don’t pump so much oil!

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I was bicycling in the 70s. Sitting in a banana seat.

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Scottish Dragon  May 11, 2017 • 12:21:43pm

re: #66 lawhawk

We were discussing the Ford Class carriers and the EMALs system that Trump is complaining about in his interview in the overnight dead thread. Trump is a fucking moron.

He has the JCS who can answer his beck and call about anything. He doesn’t listen or care about any of this stuff. He thinks he knows what he’s talking about, and ignores all the shortcomings of the steam catapult system and the benefits of the electromagnetic rail launch system. The digital system might cost more at the outset, but it gives the Navy even more flexibility - they can launch a wider array of aircraft, reduce stress on the airframe (extending its life), and can even launch UAVs, which is something not possible with the steam systems.

All future US carriers will be going with the EMAL (digital/electromagnetic system), also because they can fire off more planes in a shorter time. It also reduces the heat signature, frees up space under the flight deck for other gear, and eliminates need for separate steam systems; these are things that anyone can learn just by googling.

Yeah, I knew about some of that. Going and retrofitting a high pressure steam system for the catapults would be insane. You would have to completely rebuild the fucking ship.

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Timothy Watson  May 11, 2017 • 12:23:04pm

re: #64 Scottish Dragon

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Got to be Einstein to figure out that digital shit.

Because these nothing digital on a motherfucking aircraft carrier or in military aircraft.

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makeitstop  May 11, 2017 • 12:23:21pm

re: #62 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Lavrov spox blasts WaPo story on Russian photog being allowed into WH. Says Post “is making our correspondents feel like Jews in 1933.”

снежинка

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 11, 2017 • 12:23:30pm

re: #65 darthstar

“ALL IS WELL!!!!”

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2017 • 12:23:44pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

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Dr Lizardo  May 11, 2017 • 12:23:51pm

re: #68 Unshaken Defiance

Low oil prices are also hurting Russia’s economy as well; that’s not even taking the ongoing sanctions regime into account.

And let’s not even get started with Venezuela; what was once one of the wealthiest countries in South America is now resembling the former USSR in its final years; medicine shortages, food rationing, long lines, a worthless currency and massive, sustained protests against the Maduro government.

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Timothy Watson  May 11, 2017 • 12:24:35pm

God, Trump is so that kid in high school that went around saying “I was wearing that style first,” “I was the first person to use ‘cool’,” etc.

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Scottish Dragon  May 11, 2017 • 12:25:01pm
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Rocky-in-Connecticut  May 11, 2017 • 12:25:36pm

Meanwhile, bookies have moved the line to a 60% chance Trump gets the boot. And it is climbing. Never go against the bookies.

uproxx.com

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 11, 2017 • 12:25:51pm

re: #73 Timothy Watson

Got to be Einstein to figure out that digital shit.

Because these nothing digital on a motherfucking aircraft carrier or in military aircraft.

Maybe we have a Steam-Punk President.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 11, 2017 • 12:27:21pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

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Kragar  May 11, 2017 • 12:27:32pm

re: #81 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 11, 2017 • 12:27:33pm

re: #81 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Roger Stone sure isn’t aging well.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 11, 2017 • 12:28:10pm

re: #83 Kragar

Nice.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 11, 2017 • 12:28:39pm

re: #84 GlutenFreeJesus

Roger Stone sure isn’t aging well.

Made me giggle at my desk.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  May 11, 2017 • 12:28:46pm

re: #73 Timothy Watson

Got to be Einstein to figure out that digital shit.

Because these nothing digital on a motherfucking aircraft carrier or in military aircraft.

Why not just go back to the basics?

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goddamnedfrank  May 11, 2017 • 12:29:32pm

re: #64 Scottish Dragon

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 11, 2017 • 12:30:05pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

Coal and steam. Trump is a fucking neo-luddite crank when it comes to basic science and engineering advancements. You can’t just retrofit something as large as an aircraft carrier to run steam catapults. I’m not saying it’s just a difficult job either, it’s physically fucking impossible.

It’s possible that he only knows what was beaten into him as an abused child.

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lawhawk  May 11, 2017 • 12:30:13pm

re: #73 Timothy Watson

In his deranged mind, all that steam coming up from the deck makes it look badass.

For anyone in the Navy, all that steam means a huge fucking heat signature that every heat seeking missile from miles away will home in on.

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Timothy Watson  May 11, 2017 • 12:30:33pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

Coal and steam. Trump is a fucking neo-luddite crank when it comes to basic science and engineering advancements. You can’t just retrofit something as large as an aircraft carrier to run steam catapults. I’m not saying it’s just a difficult job either, it’s physically fucking impossible.

Kinda like throwing some stealth technology onto the F-18 like he proposed.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 11, 2017 • 12:31:20pm

re: #90 lawhawk

In his deranged mind, all that steam coming up from the deck makes it look badass.

For anyone in the Navy, all that steam means a huge fucking heat signature that every heat seeking missile from miles away will home in on.

But it’s a bad-ass heat-signature that says “Bring it on”.
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 11, 2017 • 12:31:40pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

Coal and steam. Trump is a fucking neo-luddite crank when it comes to basic science and engineering advancements. You can’t just retrofit something as large as an aircraft carrier to run steam catapults. I’m not saying it’s just a difficult job either, it’s physically fucking impossible.

“And how come we don’t have any battleships anymore? Big guns, they’d scare the shit out of ISIS! I hear there’s one in Hawaii, just under the water, hasn’t been used since 1941, just sitting there!”

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Timothy Watson  May 11, 2017 • 12:32:10pm

re: #90 lawhawk

In his deranged mind, all that steam coming up from the deck makes it look badass.

For anyone in the Navy, all that steam means a huge fucking heat signature that every heat seeking missile from miles away will home in on.

Blah, that’s what you have CIWS for!

Phalanx CIWS Close In Weapons System • Live Fire Test

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lawhawk  May 11, 2017 • 12:32:30pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

Well, you could retrofit it, but you’d lose all the space savings, costs, and improvements EMAL brings over steam systems.

Oh, and did I mention costs, because it would end up costing even more. You’ve already built the Ford with the EMAL system, and if that works out as well as the Navy expects, when other carriers come in for their midlife upgrades, expect to see those other carriers get the EMAL since it’d open up additional capabilities for those ships too (and free up space onboard for other gear).

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 11, 2017 • 12:32:40pm

re: #91 Timothy Watson

Kinda like throwing some stealth technology onto the F-18 like he proposed.

“Just paint the F-18 with this stuff I saw on the internet, for your car so the cops can’t catch you speeding!”

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Kragar  May 11, 2017 • 12:33:35pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 11, 2017 • 12:33:38pm

I LOLed.

Because, you know, the other option is sobbing and that’s just not productive.

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EPR-radar  May 11, 2017 • 12:35:33pm

re: #61 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I grew up in the suburbs of NYC. Trump was a joke.

Is still a joke, just a really fucking depressing one now.

Like I said the other day, NYC metro area school children back in the day knew of Donald Trump the rich asshole, by osmosis.

None of this has been a surprise.

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Dr. Matt  May 11, 2017 • 12:36:23pm
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BigPapa  May 11, 2017 • 12:36:28pm

I met a local bank exec yesterday. He said 7 states are technically in recession. WV, N and S Dakota, Texas, a few more.

All states heavily dependent on fossil fuel industry.

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b.d.  May 11, 2017 • 12:36:37pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

Coal and steam. Trump is a fucking neo-luddite crank when it comes to basic science and engineering advancements. You can’t just retrofit something as large as an aircraft carrier to run steam catapults. I’m not saying it’s just a difficult job either, it’s physically fucking impossible.

Now, now. The nuclear reactor on the aircraft carrier is there to make steam, maybe we could divert just a little of it to power the catapults?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 11, 2017 • 12:38:08pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

Coal and steam. Trump is a fucking neo-luddite crank when it comes to basic science and engineering advancements. You can’t just retrofit something as large as an aircraft carrier to run steam catapults. I’m not saying it’s just a difficult job either, it’s physically fucking impossible.

Trump panders to extreme Conservatives who get upset at any progress whatsoever.

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goddamnedfrank  May 11, 2017 • 12:38:45pm

re: #90 lawhawk

In his deranged mind, all that steam coming up from the deck makes it look badass.

For anyone in the Navy, all that steam means a huge fucking heat signature that every heat seeking missile from miles away will home in on.

I’m not sure the steam system makes that much of a difference honestly given modern tech. The gigantic prop wake of a carrier is going to stir up the ocean thermocline for something like square miles behind it, in a chevron pattern than points right at the target. Modern thermal optics can easily see that moderate difference in sea surface temperature.

The biggest reason to abandon live steam and all the piping it requires ties into its increased maintenance requirements, it creates unique challenges in a damage control scenario. Also, creating all electric ship infrastructures will make it easier to bring railguns online, and railguns are the future of surface warfare.

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ObserverArt  May 11, 2017 • 12:39:20pm

I didn’t know about the EMALS launching system. Found a YouTube of the initial testing and thought others that might be wondering about how it works etc. would like to see this.

Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS)

The description for the YouTube.

Courtesy: Navy Visual News Service, Naval Air Systems Command
The Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS) is the Navy’s launch choice for Ford-class aircraft carriers, replacing steam catapults used on current and prior generations of aircraft carriers. EMALS lowers overall operating costs and reduces maintenance over current steam catapults, and provides less ‘wear and tear’ on carrier-based aircraft. EMALS also expands the mission envelope by launching a broader range of naval aircraft with less stress on the ship and aircraft systems. Implementation of the EMALS system for the Ford-class will meet the Navy’s fixed-wing launch capability, while offering the flexibility to support future carrier air wings.

EMALS technology was fundamentally proven by the Navy in 2004 using a full-scale, half-length prototype, where more than 1,500 launches and armature maneuvers were conducted. Since 2008, component testing on the shipboard design has been underway, including full scale/full power tests of all components. A full scale test site at Naval Air Engineering Station Lakehurst, N.J., will be operational winter 2010.

EMALS will begin operational aircraft launch testing summer 2010.

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Dr. Matt  May 11, 2017 • 12:39:39pm

re: #64 Scottish Dragon

Trump: “Tanks are too goddamned complicated, you need Albert Einstein to figure them out. I’m bringing back horses and muskets!”

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Decatur Deb  May 11, 2017 • 12:39:47pm

re: #102 b.d.

Now, now. The nuclear reactor on the aircraft carrier is there to make steam, maybe we could divert just a little of it to power the catapults?

//

Save some for the AAA system.

en.wikipedia.org

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b.d.  May 11, 2017 • 12:40:05pm

re: #96 Blind Frog Belly White

“Just paint the F-18 with this stuff I saw on the internet, for your car so the cops can’t catch you speeding!”

What happened to bi-planes anyways!? Two wings are twice as good as one!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 11, 2017 • 12:40:27pm

re: #101 BigPapa

Meanwhile, in CA, things are going fantastically. Based on both data and my unofficial survey of Bay Area traffic patterns (they’re getting worse).

California is the chief reason America is the only developed economy to achieve record GDP growth since the financial crisis of 2008 and ensuing global recession, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Much of the U.S. growth can be traced to California laws promoting clean energy, government accountability and protections for undocumented people.

Whatever the president says, this state does the opposite. It’s working. Opinion piece in Bloomberg.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 11, 2017 • 12:41:02pm

re: #108 b.d.

What happened to bi-planes anyways!? Two wings are twice as good as one!

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Jesus, don’t show him a Fokker Dreidecker.

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Jack Burton  May 11, 2017 • 12:41:11pm

re: #95 lawhawk

Didn’t Hitler constantly poo-poo military advancements for similar ridiculous reasons, or insist they be used “his way” rather than how they were intended?

Like his insistence that the Me-262 be used as a bomber. His refusal to approve the STG44 so they had to develop it in secret behind his back. And so on.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2017 • 12:41:43pm

re: #110 Blind Frog Belly White

Jesus, don’t show him a Fokker Dreidecker.

of course not. why so complicated, an Eindecker will do

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FormerDirtDart  May 11, 2017 • 12:42:02pm
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Charles Johnson  May 11, 2017 • 12:42:41pm
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Scottish Dragon  May 11, 2017 • 12:42:44pm
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But Bill Clinton said ‘Hi’ to Loretta Lynch at the airport…so there!

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EPR-radar  May 11, 2017 • 12:42:56pm

re: #109 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It also helps that Republicans are a small enough minority in the CA state legislature that their ability to fuck things up is pretty much gone.

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makeitstop  May 11, 2017 • 12:44:25pm

re: #98 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I LOLed.

Because, you know, the other option is sobbing and that’s just not productive.

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Another pretty good quote:

“At best, we’ll see a kind of haphazard, patchwork of fixes made of band-aids, superglue, and those little plastic bag ties from grocery store bread,” he said. “The most likely outcome, I wager, is that the executive branch gets a glimpse at just how ancient some of this gear is and they’ll have to re-issue this executive order,” he said.

“There’s just no way this can be done in 90 days,” he said.

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Kragar  May 11, 2017 • 12:45:33pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

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Sir John Barron  May 11, 2017 • 12:45:47pm

re: #109 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Meanwhile, in CA, things are going fantastically. Based on both data and my unofficial survey of Bay Area traffic patterns (they’re getting worse).

Whatever the president says, this state does the opposite. It’s working. Opinion piece in Bloomberg.

Fake Nooze!

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Pawn of the Oppressor  May 11, 2017 • 12:46:14pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

Coal and steam. Trump is a fucking neo-luddite crank when it comes to basic science and engineering advancements. You can’t just retrofit something as large as an aircraft carrier to run steam catapults. I’m not saying it’s just a difficult job either, it’s physically fucking impossible.

I wouldn’t look that deeply into it. Trump is responding on pattern. It doesn’t matter if he’s talking about steam catapults or sweet potato pie, his entire being is wrapped up in this narrative:

Guy: “We do X.”
Trump: “No! Y is better! Do Y! X is ridiculous!”
Guy (annoyed/bullied/exasperated): “Fine, we’ll look at Y.”
Trump, to world: “See! I made them do Y!”

X and Y, again, could involve steam catapults, F-35s, or baked potatoes. None of it matters because Fuckhead In Chief doesn’t even know what he’s talking about, and is only concerned with looking like he won.

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FormerDirtDart  May 11, 2017 • 12:46:27pm

My former Representative…

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darthstar  May 11, 2017 • 12:46:48pm

Go…start mousing over Russians to see their ties to Americans, and vice-versa.

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Dr Lizardo  May 11, 2017 • 12:47:53pm

re: #111 Jack Burton

Didn’t Hitler constantly poo-poo military advancements for similar ridiculous reasons, or insist they be used “his way” rather than how they were intended?

Like his insistence that the Me-262 be used as a bomber. His refusal to approve the STG44 so they had to develop it in secret behind his back. And so on.

On that last part, actually, as per Wikipedia:

A common belief of Hitler’s influence over the Sturmgewehr was that he was against an intermediate rifle round. In reality, he could have ordered the project to be canceled entirely if he wanted to, especially if it had been hidden from him. Numerous reports and company correspondence reveal frequent presentation of the rifle’s stages of development to Hitler. Rather than being opposed to the entire idea, his apprehension seemed to be from reluctance to send a new weapon to the front in too small numbers. Industry would not be able to replace some 12 million Kar 98k rifles in a short time, and the already strained logistics structure would have to support another cartridge. While the Sturmgewehr required specialized tooling to manufacture it, it consumed less materials and was faster and easier to make than a Kar 98k. Without suppliers to quickly produce components, companies could not manufacture sufficient numbers to replace the Kar 98k quickly. Introducing the new assault rifle in quantities that would not make an impression on the front would be counter-productive. Hitler instead wanted to introduce it on the largest scale possible, which has been misinterpreted as his resistance to new technology

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But you’re right about the Me 262; Hitler wanted to use it as a bomber instead of a fighter aircraft.

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Lidane  May 11, 2017 • 12:48:15pm

re: #9 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Either Trump or Pence is lying

politico.com

Both can be impeached and removed from office.

Louise Mensch is speculating we’re going to end up with President Hatch by the time it’s all said and done:

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Sir John Barron  May 11, 2017 • 12:49:23pm

re: #121 FormerDirtDart

My former Representative…

300 years sounds like a lot…

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Kragar  May 11, 2017 • 12:49:29pm
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BigPapa  May 11, 2017 • 12:51:05pm

It’s amazing that some ideologues think that economic response is always in one predictable direction or vector, not both ways or multiple. Higher fuel prices would affect the economies of those states significantly.
And Russia too.

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scottslemmons  May 11, 2017 • 12:51:43pm

re: #81 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Maybe we have a Steam-Punk President.

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FormerDirtDart  May 11, 2017 • 12:51:55pm

re: #125 Sir John Barron

300 years sounds like a lot…

It was a lot of fraud I guess…

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Dr Lizardo  May 11, 2017 • 12:52:05pm

re: #124 Lidane

Louise Mensch is speculating we’re going to end up with President Hatch by the time it’s all said and done:

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While I take anything Mensch says with a grain of salt salt lick, the idea of several GOP honchos being indicted under the RICO statutes makes me pause to reflect on the fact that I’m out of popcorn.

That’d be an F5 shitnado; the scandal of the century.

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Targetpractice  May 11, 2017 • 12:52:55pm

re: #123 Dr Lizardo

On that last part, actually, as per Wikipedia:

en.wikipedia.org

But you’re right about the Me 262; Hitler wanted to use it as a bomber instead of a fighter aircraft.

Even with the Me 262, it was largely Hitler’s misunderstanding of the needs of the Luftwaffe, which was in desperate need for an edge against the massive number of bombers and fighters that were showing up after 1941. In a way, he was actually thinking too far forward, as he knew that the Allies would eventually invade Europe and wanted the Me 262 as a fighter-bomber for use against the invasion force.

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Teukka  May 11, 2017 • 12:53:10pm

re: #130 Dr Lizardo

While I take anything Mensch says with a grain of salt salt lick, the idea of several GOP honchos being indicted under the RICO statutes makes me pause to reflect on the fact that I’m out of popcorn.

That’d be an F5 shitnado; the scandal of the century.

Now, if it would go beyond RICO and into high crimes…

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EPR-radar  May 11, 2017 • 12:53:19pm

re: #124 Lidane

A RICO case vs. Trump and senior Congressional Republicans is the “questers actually find the Holy Grail” story line.

I’ll believe that when I see it.

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Scottish Dragon  May 11, 2017 • 12:55:13pm

re: #130 Dr Lizardo

While I take anything Mensch says with a grain of salt salt lick, the idea of several GOP honchos being indicted under the RICO statutes makes me pause to reflect on the fact that I’m out of popcorn.

That’d be an F5 shitnado; the scandal of the century.

Mensch is a strange duck. She starts talking and I’m like: I’m with you..okay…got it…yeah…wait, what the fuck?

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BeachDem  May 11, 2017 • 12:56:05pm

re: #59 Dr Lizardo

My boss is from the Big Apple; he said Trump’s been regarded as a two-bit shyster since he was a kid, and my boss is in his mid-forties.

A friend of a friend who actually worked for the yam at one point says the yam has never told the truth about anything ever.

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Kragar  May 11, 2017 • 12:57:30pm

re: #134 Scottish Dragon

Its the old 4:59 rule.

For 4 minutes and 59 seconds, it can sound like a completely rational and well thought out theory, and then at 5 minutes, they say something that makes you realize they’re completely batshit fucking insane.

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makeitstop  May 11, 2017 • 12:57:38pm

re: #133 EPR-radar

A RICO case vs. Trump and senior Congressional Republicans is the “questers actually find the Holy Grail” story line.

I’ll believe that when I see it.

There’s been speculation that the RICO money laundering investigation was in place even before Trump declared for president.

It would explain a lot - especially how people in Trump Tower were picked up in conversation with Russians.

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darthstar  May 11, 2017 • 12:57:44pm
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goddamnedfrank  May 11, 2017 • 12:57:50pm

LOLWUT?

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EPR-radar  May 11, 2017 • 12:58:31pm

re: #136 BeachDem

A friend of a friend who actually worked for the yam at one point says the yam has never told the truth about anything ever.

That’s certainly believable. One of Trump’s main advantages in the GOP primary was that he out-lied a crowded primary field full of professional GOP liars.

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scottslemmons  May 11, 2017 • 12:58:44pm

re: #101 BigPapa

I met a local bank exec yesterday. He said 7 states are technically in recession. WV, N and S Dakota, Texas, a few more.

All states heavily dependent on fossil fuel industry.

And the Texas Lege is in session right now, putting nearly all their efforts into pointlessly cruel bills that’ll give the governor a stiffy, but will also guarantee statewide boycotts on everything from sporting events to comics conventions — and the loss of tourism dollars will hurt the economy even more.

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Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)  May 11, 2017 • 12:59:27pm

I”m thinking about paging this, but it’s making me sick to my stomach.

Basically, the photo op in the Oval Office yesterday was at Putin’s explicit request. He wanted his guy in there, grinning in triumph, as Trump forced a smile and slapped him on the back. Even Politico, those right-wing hacks, have called this “Russia’s Oval Office Victory Dance.”

Dictate. As in ‘How my dick tate now, Donnie?”

This is Putin showing his ass to anyone decent in America. Basically saying, “Yeah, I’m the President of your fucking cowardly U.S. now. See? Trump dances whenever I say. I OWN you now. We do what we want, and Trump just bends over and says ‘Give it to me, daddy!’”

God, I feel sick.

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BeachDem  May 11, 2017 • 12:59:37pm

re: #78 Timothy Watson

God, Trump is so that kid in high school that went around saying “I was wearing that style first,” “I was the first person to use ‘cool’,” etc.

And Kellyanne is the Mean Girl who said, “Stop trying to make fetch happen.”

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Sir John Barron  May 11, 2017 • 12:59:50pm

re: #142 scottslemmons

And the Texas Lege is in session right now

scarier words seldom spoken

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Renaissance_Man  May 11, 2017 • 12:59:55pm

re: #39 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Sure, but if someone didn’t care what’s real, they could directly compare this to wingnuts hoping the nightmare of peace and prosperity ends based on Obama’s birthplace.

Both sides have the same motivations. One is reality-based, one is not.

Ultimately that’s it.

I have found myself in a similar mindset to Conservative cultists since the election. In other words, anger at half the population, absolute rejection of their entire worldview, and knowing that there is no compromise, no peace, no middle ground, that they will never join the real world or operate in good faith, and that they can only be marginalised or destroyed. One might say that this is not really any different from their base mindset. That’s probably true.

The difference is, one is based in reality, and one is not. And one stems from compassion and empathy towards other humans, and one manifestly does not.

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BeachDem  May 11, 2017 • 1:00:27pm

re: #79 Scottish Dragon

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451_Montag  May 11, 2017 • 1:00:54pm

I’d like the dems to cut a few are that just show uncut footage of Trump and the rest of the pigmen of the apocalypse just contradicting each other. Have 10-12 clips of Trump demonstrably telling lies with the words “He tells it like he is”. Have 1 for each spokesperson. Spend a few million bucks

Fuck keeping powder dry. If this isn’t enough to get rid of him nothing will. No point waiting

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Dr Lizardo  May 11, 2017 • 1:01:03pm

I cannot vouch for the accuracy of this website. But this is interesting. I’m going to put it in a spoiler tag.

Click to Reveal

Back in 2009 Barack Obama called the Netherlands a tax haven, together with places like the Cayman Islands, and struck the Dutch right in our tiny, little sensitive hearts. But was he wrong? Well, there’s some nuance to it, but the country is earning some sweet pocket money for this side gig. But it appears that the Netherlands’ banking system may actually have one little gem in store for former president Obama and a total nightmare for “President 45”.

Oh, and ZEMBLA has all the little receipts - it’s pure money laundering, by setting up in the Netherlands in 2007, it laundered $1,5 million dollars. And the company is in hot water already, the State of New York is doing investigations into their tax fraud, large scale tax fraud - and Donald is a key figure. According to attorney F. Oberlander - prosecuting on behalf of New York State - the maximum jail term could be as long as 30 years! But it doesn’t end there! There’s more! This was just the appetizer!

Now we’re heading for the steak - Trump, and Bayrock, have been working closely with some third parties, namely the Georgian-born Tamir Sapir and Kazakhstani Tevfik Ari and formed a new joint company Bayrock/Sapir Organization, LLC. Guess what? That company has been accused of grand scale fraud. Oh, and guess what else? That company was the developer behind Trump SoHo, the hotel condiminium Trump bought into for nearly 20% back in 2005. Soviet/Russian-ties confirmed. Nice.

But it keeps getting better, this is the proverbial ketchup on the steak. Remember Rudy Giulliani? Sure you do, top lawyer, former mayor of New York and current advisor to the Trump Administration. Well guess what the legal company backing Trump’s Bayrock is called? Bracewell & Giulliani…
And guess what else? ZEMBLA has access to the communications between Bracewell & Giulliani and several dark figures in the former USSR. And I really do mean dark - people that embezzled hundreds of millions, people that were fugitives and had fraudulent government roles supporting controversial regimes. These people have worked with, and are directly tied to, Donald J. Trump.

dutchreview.com

This is the original story: zembla.vara.nl

Again, it’s interesting - it seems to fit a pattern with regard to President Trump. And if any of that indeed turns out to be the case, I wouldn’t be surprised one iota.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 11, 2017 • 1:01:22pm

re: #124 Lidane

Louise Mensch is speculating we’re going to end up with President Hatch by the time it’s all said and done:

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Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)  May 11, 2017 • 1:01:29pm

It just keeps going:

Lavrov was right where he has always wanted to be Wednesday: mocking the United States while being welcomed in the Oval Office by the president himself.

Russia’s longest-serving foreign minister of the post-Cold War era, Lavrov has worked alongside Putin since 2004 with a single-minded goal: to make Russia great again—and all the better if he could do so at America’s expense. So, for Lavrov and Putin, the scene was more than just a bizarre moment of Washington political theater in which they played walk-on roles. It was vindication, proof that their tilt toward Trump after years of tense dealings with two successive American presidents could yet pay off.

… and then Lavrov stood up, walked over, and wiped his dick off on the American flag.

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Jay C  May 11, 2017 • 1:01:34pm

re: #125 Sir John Barron

300 years sounds like a lot…

Also, sounds like it’s “convicted on 18 counts”, and if you get 15 years in slam per count (or whatever the sentence range is), there’s “270 years” right there.
And of course, IRL, she’ll probably get “concurrent” sentencing - but still be the guest of the State of Florida for quite a while….

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EPR-radar  May 11, 2017 • 1:01:44pm

re: #147 Renaissance_Man

Ultimately that’s it.

I have found myself in a similar mindset to Conservative cultists since the election. In other words, anger at half the population, absolute rejection of their entire worldview, and knowing that there is no compromise, no peace, no middle ground, that they will never join the real world or operate in good faith, and that they can only be marginalised or destroyed. One might say that this is not really any different from their base mindset. That’s probably true.

The difference is, one is based in reality, and one is not. And one stems from compassion and empathy towards other humans, and one manifestly does not.

It really is good vs. evil, as cartoonish as that sounds.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  May 11, 2017 • 1:02:16pm

I certainly hope the Secret Service has done a complete sweep of the Oval Office after that whole bag of electronics that Russian “reporter” and the ambassador brought in.

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Sir John Barron  May 11, 2017 • 1:02:38pm

re: #153 Jay C

Also, sounds like its “convicted on 18 counts”, and if you get 15 years in slam per count (or whatever the sentence range is), there’s “270 years” right there.
And of course, IRL, she’ll probably get “concurrent” sentencing - but still be the guest of the State of Florida for quite a while….

Florida woman…

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 11, 2017 • 1:04:31pm

re: #155 Rocky-in-Connecticut

I certainly hope the Secret Service has done a complete sweep of the Oval Office after that whole bag of electronics that Russian “reporter” and the ambassador had.

Hey, I saw the workaround for that on some TV show. Transmitter incorporates a timer so that bug sweeps don’t pick it up, and it goes live later.

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Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)  May 11, 2017 • 1:04:34pm

re: #155 Rocky-in-Connecticut

I certainly hope the Secret Service has done a complete sweep of the Oval Office after that whole bag of electronics that Russian “reporter” and the ambassador brought in.

Why bother? If they want to know what was said in the highest levels of US military security, they just have to ask Donnie or Bannon or any of the other bought-and-paid-for traitors.

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EPR-radar  May 11, 2017 • 1:04:57pm

re: #155 Rocky-in-Connecticut

I certainly hope the Secret Service has done a complete sweep of the Oval Office after that whole bag of electronics that Russian “reporter” and the ambassador had.

Of course, any listening devices found in such a sweep should be left in place, after being tapped.

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BigPapa  May 11, 2017 • 1:05:59pm

Seems the Annapolis raid is not connected to current Trump/Russia but 2013 incidents regarding Cuccinelli, according to the Baltimore Sun.

But the Twitter leftists are all tying it to Trump still. So… we’ll be watching.

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darthstar  May 11, 2017 • 1:06:31pm
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Kragar  May 11, 2017 • 1:06:52pm
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Dr. Matt  May 11, 2017 • 1:08:25pm

re: #162 Kragar

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lawhawk  May 11, 2017 • 1:08:30pm

re: #140 goddamnedfrank

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BeachDem  May 11, 2017 • 1:10:09pm

re: #134 Scottish Dragon

Mensch is a strange duck. She starts talking and I’m like: I’m with you..okay…got it…yeah…wait, what the fuck?

Kinda like Charles P. Pierce’s five minute rule for the Paul family.

the Five Minute Rule states that any member of the Paul family will make sense on any political issue for exactly five minutes. Precisely at the 5:00:01 mark, however, he will say something so far off the rails that you will find yourself looking at him as though he has sprouted a reptilian head out of his sternum.

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Teukka  May 11, 2017 • 1:12:40pm

Just saw a CNN exclusive on the recent Sarin gas attack in Syria.
The Sarin gas attack Assad’s regime is supposed to have perpetrated.
The Sarin gas attack which Trump ordered what can only can be described as a botched missile strike in retaliation for.
The missile strike it has been alleged Trump warned the Russian admin about.
The Russian admin, which covers for Assad.
The same Russian admin whose “news” outlets got an exclusive during the meeting.

No words.

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allegro  May 11, 2017 • 1:15:13pm

re: #160 BigPapa

Seems the Annapolis raid is not connected to current Trump/Russia but 2013 incidents regarding Cuccinelli, according to the Baltimore Sun.

But the Twitter leftists are all tying it to Trump still. So… we’ll be watching.

That may be what the warrant calls for. Incidental findings? May be interesting.

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Charles Johnson  May 11, 2017 • 1:16:13pm

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Timothy Watson  May 11, 2017 • 1:18:21pm

re: #160 BigPapa

The Cuccinelli suit alleged that Strategic Campaign Group and the associated Conservative Strike Force Political Action Committee — an independent group not affiliated with the candidate — raised about $2.2 million by assuring donors it would spend the money to help elect the GOP candidate. The suit alleged that the PAC and Strategic Campaign Group failed to follow through on promises for an extensive media campaign on Cuccinelli’s behalf.

Shit, that might have been the margin of victory for Cuccinelli right there.

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caseyjr  May 11, 2017 • 1:22:49pm

re: #38 Scottish Dragon

So the navy going back to steam? Nice American coal-fired steam, one would assume.

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caseyjr  May 11, 2017 • 1:24:19pm

re: #167 allegro

That may be what the warrant calls for. Incidental findings? May be interesting.

Source is the president of the raided company, take w/massive cake of salt.

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MsJ  May 11, 2017 • 1:50:41pm

re: #80 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Meanwhile, bookies have moved the line to a 60% chance Trump gets the boot. And it is climbing. Never go against the bookies.

uproxx.com

Who’s the top picks for replacement POTUS?

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nickzi  May 11, 2017 • 2:34:43pm

re: #66 lawhawk

“I don’t like biplanes. They’re unnatural and wrong.”
“President Trump, the US air force no longer uses them.”
“See, another promise kept! Winning! Spicer, get your ass out of the bushes and tell the American people the good news!”

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Jebediah, RBG  May 11, 2017 • 3:43:23pm

re: #41 Blind Frog Belly White

I would be perfectly happy if all parties agreed that the Trump-Russia investigations go not one single day longer than the Benghazi or Whitewater investigations, provided they have the same money and resources as Benghazi or Whitewater.

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John Carter  May 11, 2017 • 3:47:10pm

re: #139 darthstar

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He was bush adjacent.

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John_Manyjars  May 11, 2017 • 6:12:24pm

As an ex-carrier sailor I can attest that high pressure, superheated steam is one of the most feared damage control issues- we would use a broomstick to find leaks, they were often invisible and would cut the broomstick in half when found…if one was lucky. The less of that crap flying around in pipes all over the ship the better…but tRump knows best


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