The Bob Cesca Show: Putin Pays Trump

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Putin Pays Trump: Feminazi Kimberley A. Johnson is here today; It’s Thuggish Thursday at the White House; Roger Ailes is Dead; Robert Mueller appointed to be special counsel investigating TrumpRussia; Trump asked Comey to drop Flynn case; Trump keeps whining; House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy said Putin pays Trump; Trump transition knew Flynn was under investigation; and more.

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277 comments

1
Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 18, 2017 • 5:18:52pm

That picture is so wrong. Please to hide.

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PhillyPretzel  May 18, 2017 • 5:20:18pm

::: running to get the brain bleach :::

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BlueGrl21  May 18, 2017 • 5:21:42pm

“It burns us! It burns, Precious!”

The picture is so bad.

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The Major  May 18, 2017 • 5:21:55pm

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Anymouse  May 18, 2017 • 5:22:44pm

re: #2 PhillyPretzel

::: running to get the brain bleach :::

— mental floss, stat! —

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BigPapa  May 18, 2017 • 5:23:22pm

re: #2 PhillyPretzel

::: running to get the brain bleach :::

I have some right here. Best with one ice cube in a snifter.

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2017 • 5:23:42pm
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Kragar  May 18, 2017 • 5:24:22pm
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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2017 • 5:24:25pm

Reposting the NYT story

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PhillyPretzel  May 18, 2017 • 5:24:36pm

re: #5 Anymouse

re: #6 BigPapa

re: #7 teleskiguy

Thanks. I will be watching a good movie shortly. That will do the trick.

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Anymouse  May 18, 2017 • 5:24:40pm
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EPR-radar  May 18, 2017 • 5:25:44pm

re: #2 PhillyPretzel

::: running to get the brain bleach :::

It could have been much worse, e.g. anything that could be captioned “Squeal like a pig, Don-Don!”

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Teukka  May 18, 2017 • 5:27:27pm

re: #4 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2017 • 5:30:22pm
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TedStriker  May 18, 2017 • 5:31:03pm

re: #1 Colère Tueur de Lapin

That picture is so wrong. Please to hide.

re: #2 PhillyPretzel

::: running to get the brain bleach :::

re: #3 BlueGrl21

“It burns us! It burns, Precious!”

The picture is so bad.

re: #5 Anymouse

— mental floss, stat! —

No….no….no…..no…

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Anymouse  May 18, 2017 • 5:32:06pm

We demand Turkish thugs stand trial for assaulting American citizens on their own soil exercising their rights.

I suspect Turkey will get what it wants here.

Question: Will Flynn be new Ambassador to Turkey? He gets out of the country (somebody cancel that guy’s passport).

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Anymouse  May 18, 2017 • 5:34:16pm

Wowsers.

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mmmirele  May 18, 2017 • 5:37:00pm

I guess the Republic has managed to make it through another business day?

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Kragar  May 18, 2017 • 5:37:27pm
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Teukka  May 18, 2017 • 5:37:32pm

re: #18 mmmirele

I guess the Republic has managed to make it through another business day?

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Big Beautiful Door  May 18, 2017 • 5:38:04pm

re: #8 Kragar

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Maybe because Comey gift wrapped a little October Surprise just for Trump.

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Targetpractice  May 18, 2017 • 5:39:46pm

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Teukka  May 18, 2017 • 5:40:15pm

re: #21 Big Beautiful Door

Maybe because Comey gift wrapped a little October Surprise just for Trump.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 18, 2017 • 5:40:23pm

re: #9 Stanley Sea

Reposting the NYT story

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Looks like a possible count of obstruction against Reince.

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Myron Falwell  May 18, 2017 • 5:40:39pm

re: #19 Kragar

I would only watch if they committed Harey Carey on the air.

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The Major  May 18, 2017 • 5:41:01pm

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Anymouse  May 18, 2017 • 5:43:08pm
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teleskiguy  May 18, 2017 • 5:43:17pm

Fuuuuuuuck…

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Anymouse  May 18, 2017 • 5:45:45pm

History repeats itself, second verse, same as the first… .

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The Major  May 18, 2017 • 5:48:17pm

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EPR-radar  May 18, 2017 • 5:49:14pm

re: #26 Eric The Fruit Bat

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2017 • 5:49:26pm

Soundgarden was supposed to play in Denver on Monday.

😞

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2017 • 5:49:41pm

re: #25 Myron Falwell

I would only watch if they committed Harey Carey on the air.

Take Me Out To The Ball Game at Wrigley Field?

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Anymouse  May 18, 2017 • 5:50:57pm

Teen Vogue still going with political coverage. Someone send them a Pulitzer.

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The Major  May 18, 2017 • 5:52:13pm

re: #31 EPR-radar

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Major Tom  May 18, 2017 • 5:53:18pm

I’m watching The Handmaid’s Tale… holy crap this show…

I saw the movie a decade ago but I don’t remember it being this intense.

I’m only 2 episodes in but I highly recommend it.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 18, 2017 • 5:54:49pm

re: #36 Major Tom

I’m watching The Handmaid’s Tale… holy crap this show…

I saw the movie a decade ago but I don’t remember it being this intense.

I’m only 2 episodes in but I highly recommend it.

I’m farther along, and it continues to be very good.

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EPR-radar  May 18, 2017 • 5:57:42pm

re: #35 Eric The Fruit Bat

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2017 • 5:57:52pm

Chris Cornell, man. Lost to suicide. Just destroys me.

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EPR-radar  May 18, 2017 • 5:58:27pm

re: #36 Major Tom

I’m watching The Handmaid’s Tale… holy crap this show…

I saw the movie a decade ago but I don’t remember it being this intense.

I’m only 2 episodes in but I highly recommend it.

I imagine Republicans are taking this to be an instruction manual on how to proceed.

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Anymouse  May 18, 2017 • 5:58:41pm

re: #37 Big Beautiful Door

I’m farther along, and it continues to be very good.

It also follows along fairly close to the book. Obviously you can’t create everything in a book for a Hulu show (especially since a book leaves more to the imagination than a television show), but the show is very good.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 18, 2017 • 6:01:30pm

In the previous thread, I was having a conversation with Anymouse about my idea to have electoral votes assigned proportionally, so that Congress would usually end up electing the President, and incorporating proportional representation into Congressional elections. We left it here:

if Congress selects the President, the small states have a lot of leverage because each state gets one vote. Nebraska would have the same voting power as California.

Which goes back to the issue of red states: There are more of them than blue states, even though there are fewer people. That would result in a permanent (R) presidency.

Two points on that. First, by my count the number of solidly read states is dropping. There are only about 22, so that isn’t a guarantee of Republican Presidents. Second, I expect that with proportional representation in the House, this wwould give third parties and independents a chance to elect Congressmen, breaking the monopoly of the two major parties on power. The big parties would have to negotiate coalitions with smaller parties to elect the President, just as occurs in Parliaments.

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The Major  May 18, 2017 • 6:01:36pm

re: #38 EPR-radar

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austin_blue  May 18, 2017 • 6:01:50pm

re: #18 mmmirele

I guess the Republic has managed to make it through another business day?
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And Roger Ailes did not.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  May 18, 2017 • 6:03:19pm

re: #44 austin_blue

And Roger Ailes did not.

Ouch! And LOL!

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Anymouse  May 18, 2017 • 6:03:24pm

My wife wants me to watch the next episode of “Designated Survivor” on Hulu (which is not about the Trump Administration it seems). I’m going to leave for now.

(Cheers go up from the LGF commentators emeritus)

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Big Beautiful Door  May 18, 2017 • 6:03:33pm

re: #41 Anymouse

It also follows along fairly close to the book. Obviously you can’t create everything in a book for a Hulu show (especially since a book leaves more to the imagination than a television show), but the show is very good.

And Elisabeth Moss left almost nothing to the imagination in a very steamy sex scene.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 18, 2017 • 6:04:24pm

re: #46 Anymouse

My wife wants me to watch the next episode of “Designated Survivor” on Hulu (which is not about the Trump Administration it seems). I’m going to leave for now.

(Cheers go up from the LGF commentators emeritus)

Darn, now I can’t debate my idea with you!

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Joe Bacon  May 18, 2017 • 6:06:14pm

re: #1 Colère Tueur de Lapin

That picture is so wrong. Please to hide.

It needs to be a 3 way with Alex Jones!

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Anymouse  May 18, 2017 • 6:07:58pm

re: #42 Big Beautiful Door

Would require a change or abolition to the XII Amendment.

The amendment only allows the top-three electoral vote getters to be considered in the House. Each state gets one vote, winner is the one who gets the most votes (not an absolute majority of states).

Start counting states that would want to repeal the amendment and when you get to 13, the repeal fails.

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2017 • 6:08:10pm
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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2017 • 6:08:33pm
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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 6:09:11pm

Here’s what pisses me off. Obama was forced to nominate a Republican, Comey for FBI Director because “balance.”. There’s no expectation that Trump has to appoint a Democrat for the same reason.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 6:09:34pm

re: #52 Stanley Sea

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I can’t say i blame Comey if that is true.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 18, 2017 • 6:12:28pm

re: #50 Anymouse

Would require a change or abolition to the XII Amendment.

The amendment only allows the top-three electoral vote getters to be considered in the House. Each state gets one vote, winner is the one who gets the most votes (not an absolute majority of states).

Start counting states that would want to repeal the amendment and when you get to 13, the repeal fails.

No, the XII requires a majority of all of the states, so at least 26 states would have to vote for the next President.

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The Major  May 18, 2017 • 6:14:33pm

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BeachDem  May 18, 2017 • 6:27:19pm

re: #14 Stanley Sea

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Love that show and love Allison Janney. Now more than ever.

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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2017 • 6:29:00pm

LOL?

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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2017 • 6:30:21pm

re: #57 BeachDem

Love that show and love Allison Janney. Now more than ever.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 18, 2017 • 6:31:58pm

re: #58 Stanley Sea

LOL?

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A Chinese Top Gun fanboy?

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lawhawk  May 18, 2017 • 6:32:37pm

re: #58 Stanley Sea

Ghostrider, the pattern is full!

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TedStriker  May 18, 2017 • 6:32:46pm

re: #60 Big Beautiful Door

A Chinese Top Gun fanboy?

“Negative, Ghost Rider…the pattern is full.”

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Weaselone  May 18, 2017 • 6:32:48pm

re: #48 Big Beautiful Door

Darn, now I can’t debate my idea with you!

The 25 states with the least people account for only 16% of the US population. That’s a pretty good reason not to award the presidency based on one state, one vote.

We should either go with direct popular vote for President or completely scrap our system in favor of something more like Germany’s.

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Cheechako  May 18, 2017 • 6:32:55pm

I believe the Watergate adage of “Follow the Money” is going to bring the downfall of the Administration and a good part of the GOP leadership. The common denominator of every issue being investigated is who got paid what, how much they were paid, and when they were paid. I believe foreign money was invested into the trump campaign through very shady methods involving real estate transactions, business(?) loans, and just plain money laundering. I also believe a lot of foreign funds were eventually funneled to the RNC and other Republican operatives with the full knowledge of Priebus, MacConnell, and Ryan. Much of this foreign money may have been redistributed to the campaigns of several other House and Senate candidates.

That’s why the GOP, as a whole, wants any investigation to just go away.

I envision this whole dark comedy as a extremely large, 5,000 piece jig-saw puzzle. To solve this kind of puzzle you normally start with the straight line pieces around the perimeter of the rectangle and then work inwards. Right now, the perimeter is being established and almost completed constraining the remaining pieces (players) inside the box. It will just take some time to complete the whole puzzle.

This isn’t a barrel with a rotten apple, it’s a whole barrel of rotten apples.

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TedStriker  May 18, 2017 • 6:32:58pm

re: #61 lawhawk

Ghostrider, the pattern is full!

Jinx!

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Charles Johnson  May 18, 2017 • 6:33:56pm
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majii  May 18, 2017 • 6:35:13pm

Rachel Maddow is killing it on her program. She’s reporting on the new bombshell NYT and Reuters articles and replaying clips of Trump officials, including Pence, lying about the Trump Campaign’s contacts with Russian officials. They’re also recorded as saying there had been no contact, and RM is blowing them out of the water.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 18, 2017 • 6:36:36pm

re: #63 Weaselone

The 25 states with the least people account for only 16% of the US population. That’s a pretty good reason not to award the presidency based on one state, one vote.

We should either go with direct popular vote for President or completely scrap our system in favor of something more like Germany’s.

You are assuming all the small states would vote for the same candidate, but there are a lot of small blue states in the Northeast, plus Hawaii and New Mexico. Either of your proposals would require a constitutional amendment, which is very difficult to pull off, so i was trying to reform our elections by statutory means to be more parliamentary.

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BeachDem  May 18, 2017 • 6:37:05pm

re: #59 Stanley Sea

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sagehen  May 18, 2017 • 6:38:03pm

re: #46 Anymouse

My wife wants me to watch the next episode of “Designated Survivor” on Hulu (which is not about the Trump Administration it seems). I’m going to leave for now.

(Cheers go up from the LGF commentators emeritus)

I’m a couple episodes behind, but… it’s dismayingly plausible.

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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2017 • 6:38:24pm

re: #69 BeachDem

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Interesting Times  May 18, 2017 • 6:38:42pm

re: #70 sagehen

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EPR-radar  May 18, 2017 • 6:39:08pm

re: #64 Cheechako

What strikes me about this sea of corruption is how unnecessary it all seems. GOP plutocrats funneling vast amounts of dark money to the GOP to get their tools elected is completely legal. Having Fauxaganda and hate radio running a 24/7 propaganda war vs. everything not-GOP is also completely legal.

Why are they taking the risks of all this foreign bullshit?

Hacking and and assorted other ratfucking aren’t legal, but would probably be easier to cover up if there weren’t Russian connections making any investigation immediately start out as a national security investigation.

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Charles Johnson  May 18, 2017 • 6:39:45pm
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piratedan  May 18, 2017 • 6:39:53pm

re: #67 majii

wonder if we’ll have a Watergate Redux where all of the little fishies fry first before the whale gets beached? At this rate, you could fill a jury box with the guilty parties it seems….

Trump, Pence, Bannon, Manafort, Preibus, Flynn, Nunes, Ryan, McConnell, Lewandoski, McCarthy, Scalise, Guiliani… hell, there may be even more…

and we have a pupu platter of offenses, treason, obstruction, money laundering, perjury, voter fraud, and maybe even some RICO charges because of the conspiracy angle

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Big Beautiful Door  May 18, 2017 • 6:42:04pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

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Regradless, the most likely scenario is Trump resigning under pressure and Pence replacing him, unless Mueller comes up with damning evidence against Pence. The good news is that the GOP would be crippled by the scandal, just like Watergate, and a Democratic President is a near certainty in 2020.

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Teukka  May 18, 2017 • 6:42:42pm

re: #76 Big Beautiful Door

Regradless, the most likely scenario is Trump resigning under pressure and Pence replacing him, unless Mueller comes up with damning evidence against Pence. The good news is that the GOP would be crippled by the scandal, just like Watergate, and a Democratic President is a near certainty in 2020.

I see a slight possibility for a cascading failure on the right.

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EPR-radar  May 18, 2017 • 6:42:46pm

re: #75 piratedan

wonder if we’ll have a Watergate Redux where all of the little fishies fry first before the whale gets beached? At this rate, you could fill a jury box with the guilty parties it seems….

Trump, Pence, Bannon, Manafort, Preibus, Flynn, Nunes, Ryan, McConnell, Lewandoski, McCarthy, Scalise, Guiliani… hell, there may be even more…

and we have a pupu platter of offenses, treason, obstruction, money laundering, perjury, voter fraud, and maybe even some RICO charges because of the conspiracy angle

“pupu platter”. Nice. I’ll have to remember that one.

On a fair reading of RICO, I think it would be reasonable to arrest Trump, his Cabinet and all the senior Congressional GOPers, put them in isolation cells and see who starts talking first.

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sagehen  May 18, 2017 • 6:43:10pm

re: #64 Cheechako

I also believe a lot of foreign funds were eventually funneled to the RNC and other Republican operatives with the full knowledge of Priebus, MacConnell, and Ryan. Much of this foreign money may have been redistributed to the campaigns of several other House and Senate candidates.

Lots of Democrats (including Obama) made speeches about how Citizens United would enable exactly this, that there’d be foreign money poured into campaigns. Sam Alito and John Roberts were Mortally Insulted that anybody could suggest such a thing.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 6:44:32pm

re: #79 sagehen

Lots of Democrats (including Obama) made speeches about how Citizens United would enable exactly this, that there’d be foreign money poured into campaigns. Sam Alito and John Roberts were Mortally Insulted that anybody could suggest such a thing.

I may appreciate that Roberts saved the ACA but he’s still a bonehead for how he’s ruled on Citizens United and many other things.

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Cheechako  May 18, 2017 • 6:44:47pm

re: #73 EPR-radar

What strikes me about this sea of corruption is how unnecessary it all seems. GOP plutocrats funneling vast amounts of dark money to the GOP to get their tools elected is completely legal. Having Fauxaganda and hate radio running a 24/7 propaganda war vs. everything not-GOP is also completely legal.

Why are they taking the risks of all this foreign bullshit?

Hacking and and assorted other ratfucking aren’t legal, but would probably be easier to cover up if there weren’t Russian connections making any investigation immediately start out as a national security investigation.

You’re right of course. Never said the Repugla-thugs were the sharpest tacks in the box.

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EPR-radar  May 18, 2017 • 6:45:36pm

re: #79 sagehen

Lots of Democrats (including Obama) made speeches about how Citizens United would enable exactly this, that there’d be foreign money poured into campaigns. Sam Alito and John Roberts were Mortally Insulted that anybody could suggest such a thing.

By now I think it fair to assume the SCOTUS majority for Citizens United collected some of that foreign money in exchange for their decision. Why the hell not make this assumption? They are Republicans, and any Republican in DC has a 99+% chance of being completely corrupt.

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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2017 • 6:48:52pm
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The Vicious Babushka  May 18, 2017 • 6:49:54pm

re: #36 Major Tom

I’m watching The Handmaid’s Tale… holy crap this show…

I saw the movie a decade ago but I don’t remember it being this intense.

I’m only 2 episodes in but I highly recommend it.

I didn’t see the movie but OMFG this series is horrifying.

This is the America that Mike Pence wants.

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EPR-radar  May 18, 2017 • 6:50:53pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

I may appreciate that Roberts saved the ACA but he’s still a bonehead for how he’s ruled on Citizens United and many other things.

Roberts is a dedicated GOP hack who is still capable of recognizing reality. Had SCOTUS ended the ACA by judicial fiat, there would have been no way to pretend that SCOTUS majority was anything other than 5 Republicans fucking things up like any other group of GOP partisan nutjobs would do.

So Roberts ‘saved’ the ACA but put all kinds of shit in the ruling that let GOPers sabotage it at the state level and create an ‘Obamacare failed’ narrative. Gutting the voting rights act wasn’t as politically dangerous for the court, so that naturally happened. Fuck Roberts with a rusty trenching tool.

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jaunte  May 18, 2017 • 6:52:49pm
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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 6:54:32pm

re: #85 EPR-radar

Roberts is a dedicated GOP hack who is still capable of recognizing reality. Had SCOTUS ended the ACA by judicial fiat, there would have been no way to pretend that SCOTUS majority was anything other than 5 Republicans fucking things up like any other group of GOP partisan nutjobs would do.

So Roberts ‘saved’ the ACA but put all kinds of shit in the ruling that let GOPers sabotage it at the state level and create an ‘Obamacare failed’ narrative. Gutting the voting rights act wasn’t as politically dangerous for the court, so that naturally happened. Fuck Roberts with a rusty trenching tool.

I call Roberts a doughface for how he treated VRA.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 18, 2017 • 6:54:47pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

Here’s what pisses me off. Obama was forced to nominate a Republican, Comey for FBI Director because “balance.”. There’s no expectation that Trump has to appoint a Democrat for the same reason.

He should nominate Bernie Sanders.

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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2017 • 6:55:04pm

Remember this?? (Darth’s comment)

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 6:55:13pm

re: #84 The Vicious Babushka

I didn’t see the movie but OMFG this series is horrifying.

This is the America that Mike Pence wants.

I am glad we haven’t lost fact of that Pence is in his way as bad as Trump.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 6:55:28pm

re: #88 The Vicious Babushka

He should nominate Bernie Sanders.

Hahahhaha now that would be something.

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Weaselone  May 18, 2017 • 6:57:40pm

re: #68 Big Beautiful Door

You are assuming all the small states would vote for the same candidate, but there are a lot of small blue states in the Northeast, plus Hawaii and New Mexico. Either of your proposals would require a constitutional amendment, which is very difficult to pull off, so i was trying to reform our elections by statutory means to be more parliamentary.

True.

I as far as I know, you don’t need an amendment to switch to a popular vote. You only need a sufficient quantity of states to pass laws which award their electoral votes to the winner of the popular vote.

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Charles Johnson  May 18, 2017 • 6:57:51pm
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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 7:00:03pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

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I believe that Bruce is right on there. It’s scary to think what Nixon and Reagan for that matter too would have gotten away with a FNC and the right wing talk radio culture dominating.

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Renaissance_Man  May 18, 2017 • 7:00:10pm

re: #76 Big Beautiful Door

Regradless, the most likely scenario is Trump resigning under pressure and Pence replacing him, unless Mueller comes up with damning evidence against Pence. The good news is that the GOP would be crippled by the scandal, just like Watergate, and a Democratic President is a near certainty in 2020.

I really don’t think that’s the most likely scenario at all. The most likely scenario is that nothing really happens at all, because the most powerful institutions in the country - the mass media and the wealthy - have vested interest in maintaining the power structure exactly how it is. Cable TV gets lots of viewers, plutocrats get increasing wealth and power, and the people are fed a steady diet of conflict as entertainment.

Recall that the only reason this is any sort of scandal is that Trump literally cannot shut up and say what he’s told for even a few hours. Every time there is clear evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Republicans, even to the point of brazenly taking away rights, money, and justice from the American people and admitting to it, the cult media comes out with an array of lockstep talking points that instantly convince 50% of the nation that it’s totally okay, and the rest of the US media obligingly parrots it as a valid point of view. If Trump had simply repeated that Comey was fired because Clinton email arglebargle, a justification so baldly false it defies belief, that would have been repeated endlessly throughout every medium and that would be the official narrative today. Even when Trump is eventually no longer President, that will continue to be the way of things in America until something is done about the cult media and its power over the American narrative.

Most likely, the special counsel will spend several months investigating the situation, and someone, probably Flynn, will be brought down in a similar manner to how Oliver North paid the price for administrative wrongdoing thirty years ago. That’s it. Flynn, or whoever it is, will then go on to a well paid job at FOX and that will be the end of it. FOX will claim victory and vindication and the American people will agree.

The unfortunate reality is that Republicans know that they don’t have to do anything, or worry about anything, because electoral wins at this point are essentially guaranteed for them. They will retain control of the Senate in two years because Democrats cannot mathematically win it. They will almost certainly retain control of the House. They will retain control of the Presidency. And, unless something drastic changes in the media landscape of the US, they will win the Presidency again in 2020, especially if Trump runs again. There’s no incentive for Republican politicians to buck their party or the system. Their jobs, and their power structure, are safe, because the system that has brought about their ascendancy is too vulnerable to being manipulated by the people in power to perpetuate it.

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BeachDem  May 18, 2017 • 7:00:17pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

I may appreciate that Roberts saved the ACA but he’s still a bonehead for how he’s ruled on Citizens United and many other things.

Voting rights is the vote I’ll never forgive him for.

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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2017 • 7:00:23pm

re: #84 The Vicious Babushka

Do you know when the finale for this season is going to be broadcast?

*cheapskate figuring on using the free month of Hulu to binge watch*

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 7:01:18pm

re: #96 BeachDem

Voting rights is the vote I’ll never forgive him for.

I really hate how he made it into a pity party for Southern states being treated “unfairly.” Southern GOP dominated legislatures do impose bigoted restrictions on voters and that’s a goddamned fact.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 7:01:41pm

One episode away from catching up on Fargo. Man I love that show.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 18, 2017 • 7:02:18pm

re: #49 Joe Bacon

It needs to be a 3 way with Alex Jones!

Hannity can hold the camera. Poor guy is always losing out on all the fun.

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EPR-radar  May 18, 2017 • 7:02:19pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

Of course. One of the main points of GOP devolution since the mid-70s was to forever end the possibility that Congressional GOPers could turn against a GOP president on any kind of principled basis.

Trump could nuke a major American city, and Congressional GOPers would have to see how well that polls among Republicans in their districts or states before deciding to approve or disapprove.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 7:04:22pm

re: #101 EPR-radar

Of course. One of the main points of GOP devolution since the mid-70s was to forever end the possibility that Congressional GOPers could turn against a GOP president on any kind of principled basis.

Trump could nuke a major American city, and Congressional GOPers would have to see how well that polls among Republicans in their districts or states before deciding to approve or disapprove.

The GOP base would laugh at all the liberals killed. Maybe that’s crass but I’ve seen how they have reacted to liberal metropolitan areas effected by natural disaster.

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bratwurst  May 18, 2017 • 7:04:48pm

re: #88 The Vicious Babushka

He should nominate Bernie Sanders.

His law enforcement credentials are just as good as Joe’s!

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The Major  May 18, 2017 • 7:05:46pm

re: #101 EPR-radar

Trump could nuke a major American city, and Congressional GOPers would have to see how well that polls among Republicans in their districts or states before deciding to approve or disapprove.

Fuck the People! Fuck our allies! The GOP Brand MUST BE PROTECTED ALL COSTS!

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BeachDem  May 18, 2017 • 7:05:52pm

re: #97 Stanley Sea

Do you know when the finale for this season is going to be broadcast?

*cheapskate figuring on using the free month of Hulu to binge watch*

Moi aussi. (Hey, I re-bought the book for cash money on kindle before they offered it for free.)

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Renaissance_Man  May 18, 2017 • 7:05:52pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

The GOP base would laugh at all the liberals killed. Maybe that’s crass but I’ve seen how they have reacted to liberal metropolitan areas effected by natural disaster.

They would.

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Weaselone  May 18, 2017 • 7:06:09pm

re: #95 Renaissance_Man

They probably won’t win in 4 years, because they’ll most likely have turned a modest or possibly even avoidable recession into a massive clusterfuck courtesy of their fiscal and social policies, followed by their attempts to right the ship again through tax cuts for the rich and austerity.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 7:06:27pm

re: #103 bratwurst

His law enforcement credentials are just as good as Joe’s!

TBF, Joe has been an AG before but it’s yeah a lot closer than McCain was making it out to be earlier when he dismissed Lieberman’s critics. Can I ask something though? Why the hell is a seventy five year old being considered for something that has a 10 year term? Point of perspective. Hoover was 77 when he died and Mueller is still younger than Lieberman.

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EPR-radar  May 18, 2017 • 7:06:58pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

I really hate how he made it into a pity party for Southern states being treated “unfairly.” Southern GOP dominated legislatures do impose bigoted restrictions on voters and that’s a goddamned fact.

Jurisdictions were originally put on the justice department VRA pre-clearance list for damn good reasons, and there were ways to get off that list (i.e., stop passing racist voting laws). But these piss stains wouldn’t do that, and just waited for a sufficiently corrupted GOP/SCOTUS to end use of the pre-clearance list.

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BeachDem  May 18, 2017 • 7:07:19pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

I really hate how he made it into a pity party for Southern states being treated “unfairly.” Southern GOP dominated legislatures do impose bigoted restrictions on voters and that’s a goddamned fact.

And they were all waiting breathlessly to impose their voter suppression laws as soon as the decision came down. I believe that ruling had a whole lot to do with why we now have the yam in the White House.

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Interesting Times  May 18, 2017 • 7:07:26pm

re: #95 Renaissance_Man

Chris Hedges has a similar view:

Forget the firing of James Comey. Forget the paralysis in Congress. Forget the idiocy of a press that covers our descent into tyranny as if it were a sports contest between corporate Republicans and corporate Democrats or a reality show starring our maniacal president and the idiots that surround him. Forget the noise. The crisis we face is not embodied in the public images of the politicians that run our dysfunctional government. The crisis we face is the result of a four-decade-long, slow-motion corporate coup that has rendered the citizen impotent, left us without any authentic democratic institutions and allowed corporate and military power to become omnipotent. This crisis has spawned a corrupt electoral system of legalized bribery and empowered those public figures that master the arts of entertainment and artifice. And if we do not overthrow the neoliberal, corporate forces that have destroyed our democracy we will continue to vomit up more monstrosities as dangerous as Donald Trump. Trump is the symptom, not the disease.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 7:07:56pm

re: #106 Renaissance_Man

They would.

I used to think that maybe they for all my disagreements with them could see us all as fellow Americans but I’ve seen the way these people talk about those tehy deem undesirables. And it frankly is why I’m running out of sympathy for them. One thing mostly keeps me from thinking fuck them all when they’re hit by disaster and that’s that I don’t want to punish the children of an area because their parents vote like morons.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 18, 2017 • 7:08:09pm

re: #95 Renaissance_Man

I really don’t think that’s the most likely scenario at all. The most likely scenario is that nothing really happens at all, because the most powerful institutions in the country - the mass media and the wealthy - have vested interest in maintaining the power structure exactly how it is. Cable TV gets lots of viewers, plutocrats get increasing wealth and power, and the people are fed a steady diet of conflict as entertainment.

Recall that the only reason this is any sort of scandal is that Trump literally cannot shut up and say what he’s told for even a few hours. Every time there is clear evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Republicans, even to the point of brazenly taking away rights, money, and justice from the American people and admitting to it, the cult media comes out with an array of lockstep talking points that instantly convince 50% of the nation that it’s totally okay, and the rest of the US media obligingly parrots it as a valid point of view. If Trump had simply repeated that Comey was fired because Clinton email arglebargle, a justification so baldly false it defies belief, that would have been repeated endlessly throughout every medium and that would be the official narrative today. Even when Trump is eventually no longer President, that will continue to be the way of things in America until something is done about the cult media and its power over the American narrative.

Most likely, the special counsel will spend several months investigating the situation, and someone, probably Flynn, will be brought down in a similar manner to how Oliver North paid the price for administrative wrongdoing thirty years ago. That’s it. Flynn, or whoever it is, will then go on to a well paid job at FOX and that will be the end of it. FOX will claim victory and vindication and the American people will agree.

The unfortunate reality is that Republicans know that they don’t have to do anything, or worry about anything, because electoral wins at this point are essentially guaranteed for them. They will retain control of the Senate in two years because Democrats cannot mathematically win it. They will almost certainly retain control of the House. They will retain control of the Presidency. And, unless something drastic changes in the media landscape of the US, they will win the Presidency again in 2020, especially if Trump runs again. There’s no incentive for Republican politicians to buck their party or the system. Their jobs, and their power structure, are safe, because the system that has brought about their ascendancy is too vulnerable to being manipulated by the people in power to perpetuate it.

I think that is way too pessimistic a take. First, we are only four months into the Trump Administration, and its getting real hard to imagine Trump lasting another four years. Second, his election was something of a fluke, and even if his popularity wasn’t plummeting, its unlikely he could pull off another electoral victory with only 46% of the vote again. And that was when he ran against one of the most unpopular presidential nominees ever. Now imagine Trump having to run against someone the media hasn’t demonized for thirty years. I’m pretty confident Trump is a one term President a best, and the indictments haven’t even started yet.

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The Major  May 18, 2017 • 7:08:17pm

re: #111 Interesting Times

‘fraid the man’s right.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 7:08:26pm

re: #110 BeachDem

And they were all waiting breathlessly to impose their voter suppression laws as soon as the decision came down. I believe that ruling had a whole lot to do with why we now have the yam in the White House.

I agree with you 100%.

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EPR-radar  May 18, 2017 • 7:08:49pm

re: #108 HappyWarrior

TBF, Joe has been an AG before but it’s yeah a lot closer than McCain was making it out to be earlier when he dismissed Lieberman’s critics. Can I ask something though? Why the hell is a seventy five year old being considered for something that has a 10 year term? Point of perspective. Hoover was 77 when he died and Mueller is still younger than Lieberman.

This is a rhetorical question, of course. Lieberman is being considered for FBI director for precisely one reason — his capacity to be a Trump stooge.

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Renaissance_Man  May 18, 2017 • 7:09:07pm

re: #107 Weaselone

They probably won’t win in 4 years, because they’ll most likely have turned a modest or possibly even avoidable recession into a massive clusterfuck courtesy of the fiscal and social policies, followed by their attempts to right the ship again through tax cuts for the rich and austerity.

Even if that happens, I don’t see why that would prevent them winning again. Their voters will still vote for them no matter what happens to them.

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MsJ  May 18, 2017 • 7:09:16pm

re: #85 EPR-radar

Roberts is a dedicated GOP hack who is still capable of recognizing reality. Had SCOTUS ended the ACA by judicial fiat, there would have been no way to pretend that SCOTUS majority was anything other than 5 Republicans fucking things up like any other group of GOP partisan nutjobs would do.

So Roberts ‘saved’ the ACA but put all kinds of shit in the ruling that let GOPers sabotage it at the state level and create an ‘Obamacare failed’ narrative. Gutting the voting rights act wasn’t as politically dangerous for the court, so that naturally happened. Fuck Roberts with a rusty trenching tool.

It’s easier than that. Roberts is about business. The ACA was a boon to insurance companies. Politics didn’t play into it. Money did.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 7:10:43pm

re: #111 Interesting Times

Chris Hedges has a similar view:

A lot of it really begins with Reagan IMO. That’s when you started seeing the decline in wages in line with executive pay. The GOP IMO goes in a much better direction if they nominate H.W. Bush in 1980 and not Reagan. HW had flaws obviously but I think he was his own man. I don’t feel so generous towards Reagan who I think was the smiling face ofthe beginning of the emss we’ve found ourselves in.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 7:11:12pm

re: #116 EPR-radar

This is a rhetorical question, of course. Lieberman is being considered for FBI director for precisely one reason — his capacity to be a Trump stooge.

Exactly. Speaking of which, did Lieberman endorse him in the election or not? But that’s definitely teh reason here.

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The Major  May 18, 2017 • 7:13:58pm

re: #119 HappyWarrior

Actually, if you can tolerate some Marxism-it’s a pretty good rant:

RSA Animate - Crises of Capitalism

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2017 • 7:17:33pm

My favorite touring rock ‘n’ roll band is playing in Norfolk, VA tonight. They played this song tonight in honor of Chris Cornell, a beautiful choice…

Hunger Strike

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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2017 • 7:17:34pm

re: #116 EPR-radar

This is a rhetorical question, of course. Lieberman is being considered for FBI director for precisely one reason — his capacity to be a Trump stooge.

Plus the yam is so intent of naming someone before the trip. We’ll see tomorrow.

He fired Comey without a back up plan of course. Now sets arbitrary deadlines.

He was a bad businessman. It shows.

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BeachDem  May 18, 2017 • 7:18:16pm

re: #108 HappyWarrior

TBF, Joe has been an AG before but it’s yeah a lot closer than McCain was making it out to be earlier when he dismissed Lieberman’s critics. Can I ask something though? Why the hell is a seventy five year old being considered for something that has a 10 year term? Point of perspective. Hoover was 77 when he died and Mueller is still younger than Lieberman.

Let us not forget that Joe was also a champion for the execrable Betsy DeVos. Ugh to both of them.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 7:18:43pm

re: #121 Eric The Fruit Bat

Actually, if you can tolerate some Marxism-it’s a pretty good rant:

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I don’t think Marx was all wrong.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 18, 2017 • 7:20:12pm

re: #116 EPR-radar

This is a rhetorical question, of course. Lieberman is being considered for FBI director for precisely one reason — his capacity to be a Trump stooge.

Also because trump can pretend he is being all bipartisany by selecting a “Democrat.”

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EPR-radar  May 18, 2017 • 7:20:39pm

re: #119 HappyWarrior

A lot of it really begins with Reagan IMO. That’s when you started seeing the decline in wages in line with executive pay. The GOP IMO goes in a much better direction if they nominate H.W. Bush in 1980 and not Reagan. HW had flaws obviously but I think he was his own man. I don’t feel so generous towards Reagan who I think was the smiling face ofthe beginning of the emss we’ve found ourselves in.

The Republicans used to be a fairly normal center-right big business party. Then we had civil rights legislation passed in the 1960s, with nontrivial bipartisan support and opposition in Congress.

After that, senior Republicans realized that if they could get people to vote Republican to express their bigotry and resentment, they would never again have to make those implausible arguments that tax cuts for the rich were good for everyone. They could often get enough votes by just showing up with the (R) next to their names.

This is the path that was taken, and it has inevitably led to hate radio, Faux News, Trump, his deplorable supporters, and the pack of GOP hyenas currently shitting in Congress. These trends were well underway in 1980, but it does seem fair to identify that as the last chance for the GOP to have taken a different path. The ‘success’ of Reagan is what conclusively ended that possibility.

Trump is such a clown that he may get removed from office, but he really is just a symptom of much larger problems.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 7:20:59pm

re: #124 BeachDem

Let us not forget that Joe was also a champion for the execrable Betsy DeVos. Ugh to both of them.

I actually missed that. I really regret defending Joe 11 years ago. I ahted his record on things like Iraq and censorship but I thought he was a good Dem aside from that. What really pisses me off about him thouh. Obama was one of the few Dems to support him after he lost his primary and ran as an Indy and he still shat on Obama as a McCain surrogate and then as a Senator. It was his right to support McCain but he was fine with McCain mischaracterizing Obama’s record so fuck him. He just couldn’t accept that his war first, questions later attitude was out of step with the Democratic Party.

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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2017 • 7:21:46pm

re: #118 MsJ

It’s easier than that. Roberts is about business. The ACA was a boon to insurance companies. Politics didn’t play into it. Money did.

And now they’re killing it, without legitimate congressional repeal. Read the LA Times story.

(Andy was first good tweet I found!)

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JordanRules  May 18, 2017 • 7:22:15pm

re: #127 EPR-radar

Great summary.

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Interesting Times  May 18, 2017 • 7:22:23pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

Obama was one of the few Dems to support him after he lost his primary and ran as an Indy and he still shat on Obama as a McCain surrogate and then as a Senator.

This was Obama’s fatal flaw - grossly overestimating the goodness of others :/

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Renaissance_Man  May 18, 2017 • 7:23:21pm

re: #113 Big Beautiful Door

I think that is way too pessimistic a take. First, we are only four months into the Trump Administration, and its getting real hard to imagine Trump lasting another four years. Second, his election was something of a fluke, and even if his popularity wasn’t plummeting, its unlikely he could pull off another electoral victory with only 46% of the vote again. And that was when he ran against one of the most unpopular presidential nominees ever. Now imagine Trump having to run against someone the media hasn’t demonized for thirty years. I’m pretty confident Trump is a one term President a best, and the indictments haven’t even started yet.

If he doesn’t last the full four years, it will be because he himself throws a giant tantrum and walks out. While that is definitely possible, because he’s a child, I don’t think it’s especially likely, because that’s not been his previous MO, and because ultimately he would get less attention if he did.

I also disagree that he wouldn’t win in 2020. I think he’ll win easily, and with a larger margin than before. He will have lost no voters from 2016, and only gained some, as the corruption of cult media spreads to new victims. While the entirety of the US media had a good headstart on demonising Hillary Clinton, the mechanism of the right wing echo chamber is pretty efficient at this point, and it won’t take long to establish a narrative of hate against whoever the Democrat is, similar to how Kerry, an otherwise milquetoast career politician, somehow became widely understood as a crazy leftie military traitor. Imagine, if you will, CNN and the NYT publishing daily headlines for months about Elizabeth Warren’s college application and endless parsing of Native American-ness. Easy to see, isn’t it? Those apathetic and otherwise apolitical voters who usually don’t vote will either continue to not vote or vote for the incumbent, because that’s what generally happens in US elections. Add to that the possibility of a couple of small wars to increase general popularity, and four years of unfettered voter suppression disenfranchising large swaths of typical Democratic voters, and I don’t think there’s any question that it would be an easy Trump win in 2020.

I do have one caveat to that, in that if there was another non-political public figure with significant media presence and pull that hijacked the Democratic nomination in a similar fashion to how he did, that person could win against him in 2020. That’s possible.

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Joe Bacon  May 18, 2017 • 7:26:18pm

Now we got to make room for LIEberman!

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William Lewis  May 18, 2017 • 7:26:39pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

I don’t think Marx was all wrong.

His analysis was correct then and remains mostly true now. The big problem with him was that he was utopian in his beliefs about the future and when that proved false, people like Lenin used a hammer to force the square peg into the round hole.

See “Socialism” by Michael Harrington for a good look at this history.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 18, 2017 • 7:28:03pm

re: #132 Renaissance_Man

If he doesn’t last the full four years, it will be because he himself throws a giant tantrum and walks out. While that is definitely possible, because he’s a child, I don’t think it’s especially likely, because that’s not been his previous MO, and because ultimately he would get less attention if he did.

I also disagree that he wouldn’t win in 2020. I think he’ll win easily, and with a larger margin than before. He will have lost no voters from 2016, and only gained some, as the corruption of cult media spreads to new victims. While the entirety of the US media had a good headstart on demonising Hillary Clinton, the mechanism of the right wing echo chamber is pretty efficient at this point, and it won’t take long to establish a narrative of hate against whoever the Democrat is, similar to how Kerry, an otherwise milquetoast career politician, somehow became widely understood as a crazy leftie military traitor. Imagine, if you will, CNN and the NYT publishing daily headlines for months about Elizabeth Warren’s college application and endless parsing of Native American-ness. Easy to see, isn’t it? Those apathetic and otherwise apolitical voters who usually don’t vote will either continue to not vote or vote for the incumbent, because that’s what generally happens in US elections. Add to that the possibility of a couple of small wars to increase general popularity, and four years of unfettered voter suppression disenfranchising large swaths of typical Democratic voters, and I don’t think there’s any question that it would be an easy Trump win in 2020.

I do have one caveat to that, in that if there was another non-political public figure with significant media presence and pull that hijacked the Democratic nomination in a similar fashion to how he did, that person could win against him in 2020. That’s possible.

The Rock for President!

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Myron Falwell  May 18, 2017 • 7:28:21pm

re: #95 Renaissance_Man

The only flaw with that possibility… that nothing happens… would also be made under the possibility that Trump literally says and does nothing; that he never ventures out in public, and ceases social media altogether.

Really, Trump is in tangible peril because of himself. He had practically every advantage to hide any possibility of wrongdoing, and he is simply throwing it all away.

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Interesting Times  May 18, 2017 • 7:29:17pm

re: #129 Stanley Sea

Speaking of the health insurance debacle, I meant to post this when I first saw it…but maybe it’s better as a reminder now:

Facebook Post

Read the whole thing.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 7:29:29pm

re: #131 Interesting Times

This was Obama’s fatal flaw - grossly overestimating the goodness of others :/

Absolutely.

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Joe Bacon  May 18, 2017 • 7:30:24pm

re: #134 William Lewis

His analysis was correct then and remains mostly true now. The big problem with him was that he was utopian in his beliefs about the future and when that proved false, people like Lenin used a hammer to force the square peg into the round hole.

See “Socialism” by Michael Harrington for a good look at this history.

Not only Michael Harrington’s books but add in Joseph Schumpeter’s works, especially “Capitalism, Socialism, and Democracy”. Schumpeter originally studied under Austrian School economists such as VonHayek and VonMieses but he broke away from them because he supported Roosevelt’s New Deal measures. Schumpeter predicted that eventually, Capitalism would collapse and Democratic Socialism type of society would rise from the ashes.

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EPR-radar  May 18, 2017 • 7:30:49pm

re: #134 William Lewis

His analysis was correct then and remains mostly true now. The big problem with him was that he was utopian in his beliefs about the future and when that proved false, people like Lenin used a hammer to force the square peg into the round hole.

See “Socialism” by Michael Harrington for a good look at this history.

A simpler take is that Marx was good at identifying problems, not good at identifying solutions. But it’s always harder to find solutions.

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Patricia Kayden  May 18, 2017 • 7:31:44pm

re: #131 Interesting Times

This was Obama’s fatal flaw - grossly overestimating the goodness of others :/

So true. I hope the next Democratic President treats Republicans like the crap they are. There’s no reason to get along with people who obstruct your every move and meet on the day of your inauguration to destroy you.

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EPR-radar  May 18, 2017 • 7:32:10pm

re: #136 Myron Falwell

The only flaw with that possibility… that nothing happens… would also be made under the possibility that Trump literally says and does nothing; that he never ventures out in public, and ceases social media altogether.

Really, Trump is in tangible peril because of himself. He had practically every advantage to hide any possibility of wrongdoing, and he is simply throwing it all away.

It amazes me that they haven’t taken his phone away from him. Trump’s tweets are probably the single greatest threat to his presidency*.

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The Major  May 18, 2017 • 7:33:58pm

re: #140 EPR-radar

A simpler take is that Marx was good at identifying problems, not good at identifying solutions. But it’s always harder to find solutions.

Give man what you are smoking, my friend….(no, seriously, spot on.)
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GlutenFreeJesus  May 18, 2017 • 7:34:14pm

I had only heard of Soundagarden when Badmotorfinger first came out, and that album
got me to look to their earlier stuff. Loud Love became my favorite album from anyone for several years. The title song also became my favorite song for a long time too.

Soundgarden - Loud Love

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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2017 • 7:34:21pm

re: #131 Interesting Times

This was Obama’s fatal flaw - grossly overestimating the goodness of others :/

He knew his voters, I seriously pat all of us die hards on the back, hope v hate.

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ipsos  May 18, 2017 • 7:34:47pm

May I rant about one more thing concerning the Yam before bedtime?

Yes? Thank you.

Fuckwad’s whine at the Coast Guard Academy speech talked about how he could say “with great surety” that no other politician has been treated so badly, etc.

THAT IS NOT WHAT THE WORD SURETY MEANS!

Also, too, if he claims to be such a smart businessman, HE SHOULD KNOW WHAT SURETY ACTUALLY MEANS!

Ugh. Time for a stiff shot of something. Is this nightmare over yet?

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Teukka  May 18, 2017 • 7:35:42pm

re: #146 ipsos

[…]
Is this nightmare over yet?

No.
*muhahahahahahahahahaha*

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jaunte  May 18, 2017 • 7:36:09pm

re: #146 ipsos

Surenity now.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 7:36:22pm

I’ll never forgive the GOP or GOP voters for how they treated Obama.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 7:37:07pm

We had a real opportunity under Obama and as admirable of a job Obama did, it could have been even been better but the GOP decided to give into the fears of their base rather than telling them to grow the uck up.

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2017 • 7:37:39pm

re: #144 GlutenFreeJesus

I was 10 or 11 the first time I heard Badmotorfinger and it blew my very young mind. I would listen to “Jesus Christ Pose” to get me pumped up for ski races as a teenager.

I’m rather distraught.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 18, 2017 • 7:39:23pm

re: #148 jaunte

Surenity now.

Insanity later…

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Teukka  May 18, 2017 • 7:39:49pm

re: #152 GlutenFreeJesus

Insanity later…

Nah. Insanity now methinks.

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The Major  May 18, 2017 • 7:40:37pm

re: #146 ipsos

Ugh. Time for a stiff shot of something. Is this nightmare over yet?

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TedStriker  May 18, 2017 • 7:41:59pm

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jaunte  May 18, 2017 • 7:44:07pm
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Myron Falwell  May 18, 2017 • 7:45:38pm

re: #142 EPR-radar

It amazes me that they haven’t taken his phone away from him. Trump’s tweets are probably the single greatest threat to his presidency*.

I could loosely understand if his inner circle has repeatedly demanded his phone, and he refuses every time, throwing a temper tantrum (itself embarrassing for a 70-year old).

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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2017 • 7:45:43pm

re: #137 Interesting Times

Wow. Thanks.

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2017 • 7:46:28pm

re: #156 jaunte

I wish to purchase these projection contraptions that are being used by these pranksters, and subscribe to their newsletter.

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Joe Bacon  May 18, 2017 • 7:46:50pm

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 18, 2017 • 7:48:01pm

re: #151 teleskiguy

My mind was blown too. And then Tool came out with Undertow and that’s still my favorite album to this day.

I did have to buy a second Badmotorfinger CD within 6 months because I literally wore out/scratched up my first copy.

Somewhere is my numero uno on that album if I had to choose. There just isn’t a bad song on it.

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BeachDem  May 18, 2017 • 7:48:30pm

re: #120 HappyWarrior

Exactly. Speaking of which, did Lieberman endorse him in the election or not? But that’s definitely teh reason here.

Nope. He endorsed Hillary.

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Joe Bacon  May 18, 2017 • 7:48:35pm

re: #142 EPR-radar

It amazes me that they haven’t taken his phone away from him. Trump’s tweets are probably the single greatest threat to his presidency*.

Yes and I remember when Obama had to surrender his Blackberry. Now I wonder why Trump still gets to play with his Droid?

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jaunte  May 18, 2017 • 7:49:05pm

re: #159 teleskiguy

I wish to purchase these projection contraptions that are being used by these pranksters, and subscribe to their newsletter.

Robin Bell:
bellvisuals.com

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 18, 2017 • 7:49:17pm

re: #142 EPR-radar

It amazes me that they haven’t taken his phone away from him. Trump’s tweets are probably the single greatest threat to his presidency*.

He probably has burners hidden all over the place.

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2017 • 7:49:36pm

When I was a teenager this song motivated me to go as fast as I could on skis.

Jesus Christ Pose

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BeachDem  May 18, 2017 • 7:50:55pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

I actually missed that. I really regret defending Joe 11 years ago. I ahted his record on things like Iraq and censorship but I thought he was a good Dem aside from that. What really pisses me off about him thouh. Obama was one of the few Dems to support him after he lost his primary and ran as an Indy and he still shat on Obama as a McCain surrogate and then as a Senator. It was his right to support McCain but he was fine with McCain mischaracterizing Obama’s record so fuck him. He just couldn’t accept that his war first, questions later attitude was out of step with the Democratic Party.

Let us also remember that it was Lieberman who kept the public option from being included in the ACA bill.

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The Major  May 18, 2017 • 7:51:09pm

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 7:51:45pm

re: #162 BeachDem

Nope. He endorsed Hillary.

That surprises me. Still don’t like him though.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 7:52:08pm

re: #167 BeachDem

Let us also remember that it was Lieberman who kept the public option from being included in the ACA bill.

Yes, yes indeed.

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danarchy  May 18, 2017 • 7:52:43pm

re: #156 jaunte

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So I was wondering if this is legal and if not which law does it break? It isn’t vandalism as it doesn’t actually do any damage, but it can’t be legal to use someone else’s property as your own billboard, otherwise what would stop companies from projecting advertisements on any flat surface they can find.

Is this a case where law hasn’t caught up to tech?

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 7:52:47pm

Maybe they figure if he plays with his phone, eh can do less harm.

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2017 • 7:53:13pm

re: #168 Eric The Fruit Bat

So blog away over there. I have to admit it’s kind of irritating to see people promote their own blogs here. I see why you’re doing it, signal boosting and all that. It’s still irritating.

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MsJ  May 18, 2017 • 7:53:50pm

re: #129 Stanley Sea

And now they’re killing it, without legitimate congressional repeal. Read the LA Times story.

(Andy was first good tweet I found!)

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I read that earlier. I think they will pay a political price for this. First time I felt that way.

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Joe Bacon  May 18, 2017 • 7:53:56pm

re: #167 BeachDem

Let us also remember that it was Lieberman who kept the public option from being included in the ACA bill.

Also, LIEberman originally prpopsed opening Medicare to people 55 and older and when Obama wanted that included in the ACA, LIEberman said he would vote against ACA unless that was removed.

LIEberman is just your typical Republican Prostitute.

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thedopefishlives  May 18, 2017 • 7:54:29pm

re: #171 danarchy

So I was wondering if this is legal and if not which law does it break? It isn’t vandalism as it doesn’t actually do any damage, but it can’t be legal to use someone else’s property as your own billboard, otherwise what would stop companies from projecting advertisements on any flat surface they can find.

Is this a case where law hasn’t caught up to tech?

Yeah, pretty much, as far as I’m aware.

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The Major  May 18, 2017 • 7:55:06pm

re: #173 teleskiguy

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BeachDem  May 18, 2017 • 7:55:20pm

re: #137 Interesting Times

Speaking of the health insurance debacle, I meant to post this when I first saw it…but maybe it’s better as a reminder now:

[Embedded content]

Read the whole thing.

Fabulous. My favorite lines (other than the one about protecting their boners)

First Daughter…
If this is how you fight for women
Never take up arms for us again.

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jaunte  May 18, 2017 • 7:55:27pm

re: #171 danarchy

I doubt if it’s legal, but there’s no real damage, and he doesn’t hang around long, so it’s probably very low on the law enforcement priority list.

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jaunte  May 18, 2017 • 7:56:36pm

“The miscreant cast photons against my structure, your honor.”

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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2017 • 7:57:35pm

re: #141 Patricia Kayden

So true. I hope the next Democratic President treats Republicans like the crap they are. There’s no reason to get along with people who obstruct your every move and meet on the day of your inauguration to destroy you.

I hate to say what we all know, Obama had to be better, calmer & more amicable than any one before him.

His legacy though, he’s certainly not done & I can’t wait.

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Charles Johnson  May 18, 2017 • 7:58:29pm
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TedStriker  May 18, 2017 • 7:58:46pm

re: #173 teleskiguy

So blog away over there. I have to admit it’s kind of irritating to see people promote their own blogs here. I see why you’re doing it, signal boosting and all that. It’s still irritating.

He could do like CL and others have done, which is to link their blogs to their usernames in the LGF options.

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Myron Falwell  May 18, 2017 • 7:59:01pm

re: #175 Joe Bacon

Also, LIEberman originally prpopsed opening Medicare to people 55 and older and when Obama wanted that included in the ACA, LIEberman said he would vote against ACA unless that was removed.

LIEberman is just your typical Republican Prostitute.

William Fucking Buckley endorsed Joe when he first ran for Senate. I mean, c’mon.

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The Major  May 18, 2017 • 7:59:56pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

Well, at least the Derbster isn’t in hiding anymore now…..time to make come Wikipedia corrections….

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2017 • 8:00:19pm

re: #183 TedStriker

He could do like CL and others have done, which is to link their blogs to their usernames in the LGF options.

This is true. Meaning every time you click on Eric The Fruit Bat in comments it’ll go right to his blog. The things you can do at this here website…

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The Major  May 18, 2017 • 8:01:18pm

re: #186 teleskiguy

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Joe Bacon  May 18, 2017 • 8:02:25pm

re: #184 Myron Falwell

William Fucking Buckley endorsed Joe when he first ran for Senate. I mean, c’mon.

Yes because Buckley DESPISED Lowell Weicker!

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Decatur Deb  May 18, 2017 • 8:02:49pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

The white supremacists at American Renaissance are sending out this creepy mass email tonight.

Good place to unload these fukn’ 800-count sheets the grand-daughter’s school had her out hawking.

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Charles Johnson  May 18, 2017 • 8:03:25pm
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teleskiguy  May 18, 2017 • 8:03:29pm

re: #187 Eric The Fruit Bat

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 8:03:29pm

re: #184 Myron Falwell

William Fucking Buckley endorsed Joe when he first ran for Senate. I mean, c’mon.

Ha, I didn’t know that.

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TedStriker  May 18, 2017 • 8:03:45pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 8:04:11pm

re: #188 Joe Bacon

Yes because Buckley DESPISED Lowell Weicker!

I figured that was the reason. I really hate Buckley. I hate the attempts to revise what eh was.

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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2017 • 8:04:22pm

re: #186 teleskiguy

This is true. Meaning every time you click on Eric The Fruit Bat in comments it’ll go right to his blog. The things you can do at this here website…

chill out

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goddamnedfrank  May 18, 2017 • 8:05:17pm

re: #171 danarchy

So I was wondering if this is legal and if not which law does it break? It isn’t vandalism as it doesn’t actually do any damage, but it can’t be legal to use someone else’s property as your own billboard, otherwise what would stop companies from projecting advertisements on any flat surface they can find.

Is this a case where law hasn’t caught up to tech?

Probably falls under disturbing the peace or public nuisance statues. Those are usually deliberately broad laws designed as catchalls against imaginative fuckery.

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Joe Bacon  May 18, 2017 • 8:05:55pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

Ha, I didn’t know that.

After Jim Buckley lost his Senate Seat to Moynihan in 1976, Jim Buckley moved to Connecticut to try to knock Weicker out in 1982. He failed in the primary and he and Brother Bill backed Democrat Toby Moffit to take Weicker out. Their endorsement backfired and Weicker held on to his seat. But they got him in 1988…

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2017 • 8:06:05pm

re: #195 Stanley Sea

chill out

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Myron Falwell  May 18, 2017 • 8:06:09pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

Ha, I didn’t know that.

Believe it or not! Joe Bacon said it a few comments above; Buckley hated Lowell Weicker so he publicly endorsed and campaigned for Lieberman.

(cue the More You Know banner)

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jaunte  May 18, 2017 • 8:06:18pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

Montgomery Bell State Park, named for a major slaveholder.

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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2017 • 8:06:38pm

Oh I wish VB was here

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TedStriker  May 18, 2017 • 8:06:50pm

re: #195 Stanley Sea

chill out

???

Sounded like a compliment to Charles (for the functionality) to me…

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 8:06:59pm

re: #197 Joe Bacon

After Jim Buckley lost his Senate Seat to Moynihan in 1976, Jim Buckley moved to Connecticut to try to knock Weicker out in 1982. He failed in the primary and he and Brother Bill backed Democrat Toby Moffit to take Weicker out. Their endorsement backfired and Weicker held on to his seat. But they got him in 1988…

Didn’t know that.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 8:07:37pm

re: #199 Myron Falwell

Believe it or not! Joe Bacon said it a few comments above; Buckley hated Lowell Weicker so he publicly endorsed and campaigned for Lieberman.

(cue the More You Know banner)

I figured that’s what it was. I knew Lieberman beat Weicker but I didn’t know WFB despised him that much that he’d endorse Lieberman over him.

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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2017 • 8:07:44pm

re: #198 teleskiguy

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Decatur Deb  May 18, 2017 • 8:07:59pm

re: #201 Stanley Sea

They should practice until they get it right.

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bratwurst  May 18, 2017 • 8:08:45pm
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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2017 • 8:08:56pm

re: #206 Decatur Deb

They should practice until they get it right.

They are frauds.

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Joe Bacon  May 18, 2017 • 8:08:59pm

re: #199 Myron Falwell

Believe it or not! Joe Bacon said it a few comments above; Buckley hated Lowell Weicker so he publicly endorsed and campaigned for Lieberman.

(cue the More You Know banner)

nytimes.com

William F. Buckley Jr., the conservative Republican editor and pundit, announced the formation of a political action committee to oppose the re-election of Senator Lowell P. Weicker Jr., a liberal Republican.

And oh, yes, BuckPac, as the committee is to be called, will support instead the state’s Attorney General, Joseph I. Lieberman, who is Mr. Weicker’s Democratic challenger.
”You’re telling us that the Buckleys are with us?” asked Marla Romash, the Lieberman campaign press secretary. That seemed to take her by surprise. ”Can I get back to you?”

Mr. Buckley said he had ”always voted the straight Republican ticket in the past,” but that he could abide Mr. Weicker no longer. An Animadversion About ‘Pomposity’
”His pomposity and tergiversations on every issue make his running as a Republican an anomaly we ought to correct,” Mr. Buckley said in a telephone interview from his home in Sharon, Conn.

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thedopefishlives  May 18, 2017 • 8:09:07pm

re: #207 bratwurst

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2017 • 8:11:12pm

re: #205 Stanley Sea

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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2017 • 8:11:44pm
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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 8:12:34pm

re: #209 Joe Bacon

nytimes.com

William F. Buckley Jr., the conservative Republican editor and pundit, announced the formation of a political action committee to oppose the re-election of Senator Lowell P. Weicker Jr., a liberal Republican.

And oh, yes, BuckPac, as the committee is to be called, will support instead the state’s Attorney General, Joseph I. Lieberman, who is Mr. Weicker’s Democratic challenger.
”You’re telling us that the Buckleys are with us?” asked Marla Romash, the Lieberman campaign press secretary. That seemed to take her by surprise. ”Can I get back to you?”

Mr. Buckley said he had ”always voted the straight Republican ticket in the past,” but that he could abide Mr. Weicker no longer. An Animadversion About ‘Pomposity’
”His pomposity and tergiversations on every issue make his running as a Republican an anomaly we ought to correct,” Mr. Buckley said in a telephone interview from his home in Sharon, Conn.

I find it funny that Buckley accused anyone of being pompous. Look, who’s talking, Mr. I tried to tell South Africans they needed Apartheid.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 8:13:22pm

Sorry, silly to rant at a dead man for an election decision he made when I was one but really who did Buckley get off calling anyone pompous. The guy was the king of pompous and NR is still one of the most pompous right wing rags which is really saying a lot.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 8:14:02pm

You know Buckley probably shat himself when James Baldwin schooled him. The ultimate insult for him to get schooled by a gay black lefty.

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Myron Falwell  May 18, 2017 • 8:14:42pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

I find it funny that Buckley accused anyone of being pompous. Look, who’s talking, Mr. I tried to tell South Africans they needed Apartheid.

Wasn’t being pompous his whole goddam shtick all along? Sheesh.

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The Major  May 18, 2017 • 8:16:25pm

Ahhhhh…. that feels SO much better. That leotard was real tight, and those stupid bat ears were just so annoying…..

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 8:16:29pm

re: #216 Myron Falwell

Wasn’t being pompous his whole goddam shtick all along? Sheesh.

Yeah the whole transatlantic accent and all. Man I would have loved to seen what a man like my dad’s dad thought of him. Dad’s dad had a college education, rare for a man of that era but he had a great understanding for the common man in a way the bozos at N never did or will.

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TedStriker  May 18, 2017 • 8:16:52pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 8:18:19pm

re: #219 TedStriker

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They had one in Charlottesville. I was so glad to see Perriello loudly call out the assholes for doing that shit in his hometown. He flat out told Spencer that his side lost in 1865.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 18, 2017 • 8:19:19pm

With all the sweeteners the GOP put in the AHCA to get it to pass, it may not save enough money to qualify for reconciliation. CBO score is supposed to come out next week.

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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2017 • 8:21:03pm

re: #214 HappyWarrior

Sorry, silly to rant at a dead man for an election decision he made when I was one but really who did Buckley get off calling anyone pompous. The guy was the king of pompous and NR is still one of the most pompous right wing rags which is really saying a lot.

Don’t think I ever told this one. Back in the day when I was a journalism student at UF, I got a non-pay gig working the on campus PBS TV interview with him. My proud memory is that I couldn’t stand him because of his beliefs to start with & was confirmed because he was an arrogant ass who treated everyone there like shit. He was sinking so low to visit our University.

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jaunte  May 18, 2017 • 8:23:42pm
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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 8:27:27pm

re: #222 Stanley Sea

Don’t think I ever told this one. Back in the day when I was a journalism student at UF, I got a non-pay gig working the on campus PBS TV interview with him. My proud memory is that I couldn’t stand him because of his beliefs to start with & was confirmed because he was an arrogant ass who treated everyone there like shit. He was sinking so low to visit our University.

I just hate the revisionism of him into this intellectual. He wasn’t a stupid man obviously but he was no where near the deep thinker he and his admirers think he is. Anyone who went to their grave thinking McCarthy was right had problems IMO.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 8:28:10pm

re: #223 jaunte

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dangerman  May 18, 2017 • 8:29:19pm

re: #221 Big Beautiful Door

With all the sweeteners the GOP put in the AHCA to get it to pass, it may not save enough money to qualify for reconciliation. CBO score is supposed to come out next week.

But it’s already been scored
Twice!

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jaunte  May 18, 2017 • 8:29:27pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

“Smarmy little thing-that-is-smarmy.”

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 8:29:32pm

Sergey and I have had great talks about what a shitty man Buckley was. A defender of Apartheid well into the 80’s because hey anti communism uber alles. Nevermind the fact that many British Tories even saw that Apartheid was wrong. Buckley was fine with elected government just so those he deemed his social and racial inferiors didn’t get to participate.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 8:29:46pm

re: #227 jaunte

“Smarmy little thing-that-is-smarmy.”

Oh you mean a naked mole rat.

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prairiefire  May 18, 2017 • 8:31:32pm

🎶”sittin on the staircase listing to the sirens go off”. I don’t know how they spotted something in the dark with all this rain.

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jaunte  May 18, 2017 • 8:34:07pm

New Houston stats indicate the Trump administration immigration policy is objectively pro-rape:

Acevedo disclosed last month the department has found the number of Hispanics reporting rape is down 42.8 percent from last year, and the number of those reporting other violent crimes has dropped 13 percent.
chron.com

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prairiefire  May 18, 2017 • 8:34:41pm

Ok, it’s over, everybody back to bed.

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Joe Bacon  May 18, 2017 • 8:34:48pm

re: #224 HappyWarrior

I just hate the revisionism of him into this intellectual. He wasn’t a stupid man obviously but he was no where near the deep thinker he and his admirers think he is. Anyone who went to their grave thinking McCarthy was right had problems IMO.

Buckley was racist to the core. Every bit the racist Goerge Wallace, Ronald Reagan, David Duke and Robert Spencer are. Still remember his 1955 editorial which went…

“We offer the following on the crisis in the Senate and the South: In the Deep South the Negroes are, by comparison with the Whites, retarded” (‘unadvanced’ the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People might put it) … Leadership in the South, then quite properly rests in White hands. Upon the White population this fact imposes moral obligations of paternalism, patience, protection, devotion, and sacrifice.” The editorial added that “the attempt to hand over to the Negro the raw political power with which to alter it is hardly a solution. It is a call to upheaval, which ensues when reality and unbridled abstractions meet head-on.”

My Mother was born and raised in South Carolina. She DETESTED segregation and believed it was the ultimate evil. She HATED Buckley and I remember her saying that Buckley was the kind of freak who would pop a tent in his pants when he watched “Birth Of A Nation”…

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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2017 • 8:35:09pm

re: #230 prairiefire

🎶”sittin on the staircase listing to the sirens go off”. I don’t know how they spotted something in the dark with all this rain.

Be safe & update!

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Flying Squirrel Girl  May 18, 2017 • 8:35:27pm

re: #39 teleskiguy

I’m also having a hard time with his passing. Difficult to understand. For me, his talent was on the level of Robin Williams — so incredible, so unique, and loved by so many — how could he take that from all of us who loved him so much? It sounds selfish, I know, but damn. This came out of nowhere.

I find myself hoping there is some reason that can help us make sense of this.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 8:36:47pm

re: #233 Joe Bacon

Buckley was racist to the core. Every bit the racist Goerge Wallace, Ronald Reagan, David Duke and Robert Spencer are. Still remember his 1955 editorial which went…

“We offer the following on the crisis in the Senate and the South: In the Deep South the Negroes are, by comparison with the Whites, retarded” (‘unadvanced’ the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People might put it) … Leadership in the South, then quite properly rests in White hands. Upon the White population this fact imposes moral obligations of paternalism, patience, protection, devotion, and sacrifice.” The editorial added that “the attempt to hand over to the Negro the raw political power with which to alter it is hardly a solution. It is a call to upheaval, which ensues when reality and unbridled abstractions meet head-on.”

Exactly Joe and I can not give him a pass for that. My father’s father was eleven years older than WFB and he had no patience for that kind of bigotry. Lest we forget that WFB started out as a McCarthy apologist too.

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prairiefire  May 18, 2017 • 8:37:12pm

re: #234 Stanley Sea

Be safe & update!

We are good for now. Hey, I meant to tell you I felt my first couple of earthquakes several months ago, all the way from Oklahoma. Felt the coffee table slide back and forth a couple of times. Damn fracking.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 8:39:21pm

Buckley I do think was the last of a breed in the sense that he represented the type of faux intellectual conservatism that the movement has been lacking for a while. Not sure what’s worse, the faux intellectualism or the anti-intellectualism disguised as “common sense.”

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prairiefire  May 18, 2017 • 8:39:32pm

re: #235 Flying Squirrel Girl

Could it have possibly been auto erotic asphyxiation? He didn’t sound suicidal at his concert, talking about future gigs, etc.

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2017 • 8:42:49pm

re: #239 prairiefire

I’ve seen folks speculate this very scenario online.

He did battle depression and drug/alcohol abuse for most of his adult life.

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The Major  May 18, 2017 • 8:44:45pm

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2017 • 8:46:45pm

re: #241 The Major (fka Eric The Fruit Bat)

Twitter metrics are obscenely opaque.

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The Major  May 18, 2017 • 8:48:35pm

re: #242 teleskiguy

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prairiefire  May 18, 2017 • 8:48:59pm

re: #240 teleskiguy

I’ve seen folks speculate this very scenario online.

He did battle depression and drug/alcohol abuse for most of his adult life.

I was really thinking hear attack before I read further reports. Touring and performing is quite stressful and the heart takes all kinds of abuse from drug use.

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Belafon  May 18, 2017 • 8:50:11pm

re: #223 jaunte

And Trump did it.

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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2017 • 8:51:11pm

wow

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Jebediah, RBG  May 18, 2017 • 8:52:59pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

I may appreciate that Roberts saved the ACA but he’s still a bonehead for how he’s ruled on Citizens United and many other things.

He’s not a bonehead, he’s an asshole. He had to have understood the risk; he didn’t care.

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Belafon  May 18, 2017 • 8:54:28pm

I go away a few hours and see that everyone’s going for depression.

Here’s the thing about beating the massive establishment that exists right now: we either fight a major war that causes everything to change, or you figure out how to get a huge chunk of the Republican base to vote with you without alienating minorities.

I’m going away for a few more hours

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Flying Squirrel Girl  May 18, 2017 • 8:56:03pm

re: #240 teleskiguy

I’ve wondered the same thing. Because (to me) that would make more sense than just playing one last show, going back to your hotel room in the middle of a tour, and ending it all.. But I don’t know much more than what has been made public about his struggles with addiction and depression.

His voice and lyrics were incredible gifts. They will be missed.

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jaunte  May 18, 2017 • 8:56:06pm
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BeachDem  May 18, 2017 • 8:56:36pm

re: #201 Stanley Sea

Oh I wish VB was here

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I wonder what earth-shattering emergency was going on the weekend of Feb. 10 (other than that party with the tents and the camels)

6:09 PM
Friday, February 10, 2017 (EDT)
Sunset in West Palm Beach, FL

6:13 p.m. UPDATE: President Trump’s daughter, Ivanka, and her family arrived aboard Air Force One with the president and first lady to spend some time in Palm Beach.

postonpolitics.blog.palmbeachpost.com

So they were still on the plane at sunset—
Did they then walk to Mar-a-gaudy?

They are so full of shit.

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prairiefire  May 18, 2017 • 8:58:47pm

re: #251 BeachDem

Ooohhh, Mar-a-gaudy, good one. It’s a shame what that asshole has done to the place.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 9:00:35pm

re: #246 Stanley Sea

wow

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Oh look another fake tough guy kissing the ass of teh world’s biggest snowflake. Trump lackeys are patehtic.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2017 • 9:00:43pm

re: #247 Jebediah, RBG

He’s not a bonehead, he’s an asshole. He had to have understood the risk; he didn’t care.

Good point.

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The Major  May 18, 2017 • 9:05:29pm

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2017 • 9:06:16pm

I’m still in utter disbelief that Chris Cornell just fuckin’ died *snaps fingers* just like that yesterday. Talk about music that is the soundtrack of my life, I heard that dude’s voice in so many places at so many times. It’s pretty hard to believe he’s gone for good.

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prairiefire  May 18, 2017 • 9:06:38pm

“Not enough time, for the two of us”…

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Kragar  May 18, 2017 • 9:18:18pm

re: #256 teleskiguy

Superunknown was the first CD I ever bought.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 18, 2017 • 9:19:30pm

re: #235 Flying Squirrel Girl

Depression sucks. A little more than a year ago, my neighbor, who in all appearances had everything going for him… an awesome wife, awesome kids, a new grandkid, six figure a year job, huge house, nice cars, tons of friends (they entertained all the time), got up one day, drove to a park a few towns over, walked into the middle of the field and put a bullet in his head. Makes no fucking sense.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 18, 2017 • 9:23:12pm
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teleskiguy  May 18, 2017 • 9:24:00pm

re: #259 GlutenFreeJesus

Depression sucks. A little more than a year ago, my neighbor, who in all appearances had everything going for him… an awesome wife, awesome kids, a new grandkid, six figure a year job, huge house, nice cars, tons of friends (they entertained all the time), got up one day, drove to a park a few towns over, walked into the middle of the field and put a bullet in his head. Makes no fucking sense.

I’ve been open about my depression here at LGF. I’ve been suicidal. I can understand this sentiment all too well. There is no rhyme or reason when your own mind tells you that you’re worthless and should be dead. Which is why Chris Cornell’s death and for that matter Robin Williams’ death rattles me. There is no rhyme or reason to depression, and it can be a fatal ailment.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 18, 2017 • 9:25:19pm

re: #261 teleskiguy

Indeed. and I’ll put this out there. If you’re ever having a more-difficult-than-normal time, please reach out to us.

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The Major  May 18, 2017 • 9:25:32pm

re: #259 GlutenFreeJesus

I’ve been there. I know it. I voluntarily admitted myself twice because I though things were so bad and they would never bet better. The last hospitalization wound up getting me terminated. No matter.

Currently, I’m having the time of my life right now, and The Lizardim are very much a part of it. Cheers to you all.

Meanwhile, The Major’s going back to refine his chaser for Mr. Hawkins and his associates……

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goddamnedfrank  May 18, 2017 • 9:26:37pm

re: #258 Kragar

Superunknown was the first CD I ever bought.

I went to the University of Washington, freshman year was 1991-2. In those years I was a Physical Oceanography major before I figured out that I just wasn’t going to hack the math and discovered that Comparative Literature was my jam. Soundgarden was both the soundtrack to my life and a communal gathering place on the NOAA campus.

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2017 • 9:28:16pm

re: #264 goddamnedfrank

I went to the University of Washington, freshman year was 1991-2. In those years I was a Physical Oceanography major before I figured out that I just wasn’t going to hack the math and discovered that Comparative Literature was my jam. Soundgarden was both the soundtrack to my life and a communal gathering place on the NOAA campus.

Man, you were around when they were playing bars and shit. I jelly.

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Kragar  May 18, 2017 • 9:29:55pm

I entered bootcamp in November of 93, was in SOI when Superunknown came out, and picked it up when I got to my first duty station in Japan. Pretty much every field day or getting off watch meant it was playing for at least 18 months

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2017 • 9:30:39pm

I only saw Soundgarden once, at Red Rocks some years ago. It was a great show, they played all their hits, Chris Cornell played an acoustic guitar for a few songs, and I can remember him saying that the stage he was playing on was the most beautiful thing he’d ever seen.

I left Red Rocks extremely satisfied that night, knowing I saw some quality rock ‘n’ roll.

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Kragar  May 18, 2017 • 9:33:15pm

re: #267 teleskiguy

Never got a chance to see them live. I was overseas when they toured, and when I was back stateside for good, they had broken up. I missed my chance to see him San Diego a few years back because the “cheap seats” at the venue were something like $300 a pop.

I’ll always regret not seeing him perform.

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austin_blue  May 18, 2017 • 9:35:25pm

re: #237 prairiefire

We are good for now. Hey, I meant to tell you I felt my first couple of earthquakes several months ago, all the way from Oklahoma. Felt the coffee table slide back and forth a couple of times. Damn fracking.

It’s not the fracking, it’s the by-product of injecting fracking fluid into disposal wells.

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2017 • 9:36:14pm

This is quite literally the first Soundgarden song I ever heard. In my living room when I was 10 or 11, a new CD that my dad was playing. I played this song after school for a *long* time, just fuckin’ floored me!

Rusty Cage

Soundgarden helped me *love* music at a really early age.

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austin_blue  May 18, 2017 • 9:38:22pm

re: #252 prairiefire

Ooohhh, Mar-a-gaudy, good one. It’s a shame what that asshole has done to the place.

I prefer I’m-a-logo.

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2017 • 9:42:05pm

I tweeted sometime this afternoon about Chris Cornell. -THREAD- (four tweets)

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prairiefire  May 18, 2017 • 9:45:26pm

re: #269 austin_blue

It’s not the fracking, it’s the by-product of injecting fracking fluid into disposal wells.

Yes, damn fracking in general.

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2017 • 9:50:49pm

When I was very young I remember one time a friend of mine down the street was all excited to share some music with me, “You have to hear this song!” he said over and over. We get to his house and he puts a tape in a tape deck and pushes play. It’s “Smells Like Teen Spirit” by Nirvana. I loved it! After the song was done the first thing I said to my friend was “Have you heard Soundgarden? It’s *faster* than this!” The next day my friend is over at my house and I play “Rusty Cage” and…

…yeah, we’re still friends. After well over 20 years.

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caseyjr  May 18, 2017 • 10:03:59pm

re: #271 austin_blue

I prefer I’m-a-logo.

Mala-gordo
Maga-lardo

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2017 • 10:14:27pm

I’m so spoiled rotten when it comes to live music performances. I’d be willing to bet that I’ve seen more shows at Red Rocks in Colorado than any Lizard, bar none.

Our humble host, however, bests me. He’s *played music* on the stage at Red Rocks.

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austin_blue  May 18, 2017 • 11:13:40pm

re: #273 prairiefire

Yes, damn fracking in general.

Agreed.

Now, this is a long post, but it is also informative and by a Lizard who knows what he is talking about. Think of it as a seminar.

As a former well-head geologist, I worked on off-shore rigs where directional drilling was the norm. An offshore platform would have up to thirty six slots where you would start a well vertically and kick it off at an angle to tap various sections of an oil or gas reservoir. The target was always a gas or oil sand.

What fracking does is target the black (organic) shale that is the original source of the oil/gas in the overlying/underlying porous sandstone that used to be the target of production.

The use of fracking opens up old oil/gas fields to exploit an asset that was not previously accessible.

When I was working in the North Sea, we would routinely penetrate a black shale (petroleum source rock) 1000 feet thick immediately above a 500-foot thick oil and gas reservoir. Over time, temperature and pressure “cooked” oil and gas out of that source rock which migrated into the sandstone reservoir. That source rock is now a future target of fracking in the North Sea. It probably contains 5X to 10X the recoverable oil/gas that what was available in the sandstone reservoirs.

So is fracking bad? Depends. An oil or gas well is a series of increasingly smaller straws placed into the earth. Each straw blocks off a higher pressure that wants to collapse the hole you are drilling. Each straw is called a casing string, packed off by cement. It’s a fine balance between keeping a hole open and having it collapse into itself.

Every time you set an intermediate casing string to keep the hole open, you must be extremely careful to ensure that the cement seal is tight as a tick. This allows you to continue to drill safely as you increase the depth of the well, and its increasing pressure. If you do this successfully, you will have an oil or gas well with excellent integrity, from the surface to the bottom.

This is true of a well that is fracked or a traditional production well that is producing from a sandstone reservoir.

The recent unpleasantness in the Gulf of Mexico was caused by a decision by BP, in part, not to run a string of casing from the surface to the bottom of the hole and cementing it in place. Instead, they ran a string from the bottom of the previous casing string to the bottom of the hole and had a shitty cement job to secure it. When they displaced the drilling mud from the well (which is manipulated to hold back the pressure to close the hole by adding very heavy minerals like barite into the mix) the pressure at the bottom of the hole bypassed the cement on the outside of the casing and overcame the remaining fluids in the string and blew all of the fluid inside the wellbore out of the open hole from the bottom of the well to the surface.

Classic blowout. Fire, death, destruction, uncontrolled releases of oil and gas when the bottom assembly failed and they completely lost control of the well. Stupid, stupid motherfucking decision to save a few hundred thousand dollars.

What does this have to do with fracking? It’s tenuous. Fracking is busting up the source rock of traditional oils and gas recovery. It’s relatively cheap. It’s generally relatively shallow directional drilling, which has been done for decades, just into sandstone reservoirs.

It has one thing in common with traditional directional drilling. The integrity of any individual oil/gas production well is as good as the worst cement job in the production string. A bed cement job can result in oil or gas fucking up drinking water sources.

The second thing is that fracking produces huge volumes of water that serves as a hydraulic hammer (it can’t be compressed!) to explode the source rock and serve as a conduit for sand, propants, and other additives to hold the fractures open so that once the water and waste products are removed, petroleum moves to the well bore and then up to the surface to be collected and distributed for refining. Each fracked well will require two to four million gallons of water to frack the well which will be recovered at the surface and need to be disposed.

What to do with that polluted water? The solution in Texas, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania and everywhere else fracking is being utilized is to inject it into waste disposal wells. Guess what kind of well is less regulated? This is the hole in the fracking industry.

Injection wells put the polluted water into subsurface water bearing units that have no viable human use because they are “sour” (this means they have total dissolved solids (TDS) (phosphates, nitrates, sulfates) greater than 10,000 parts per million (PPM). They are generally much deeper than groundwater drinking sources used by cities and towns, which have a TDS below 1000 PPM.

The amount of fracking fluids they have been allowed to accept by the overseers of the oil and gas industries in the States where fracking is most common is massive. This has resulted in two things. The first is that the casing failures in these wells is much greater than in production wells, resulting in migration of pollutants into shallow drinking water sources used by people. The second is that that they have injected water under extreme pressure, into old fault lines that have again become active.

Which is the explanation why Oklahoma earthquakes have increased by orders of magnitude over the past ten years.

This is not rocket science, it is simple geology and physics.


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