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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 11:00:18am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 11:00:36am

Inhuman:

Inhumane:
Not gonna post it.

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Kragar  May 24, 2017 • 11:02:05am

Thread

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Kragar  May 24, 2017 • 11:04:11am
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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 11:10:52am

This guy is everything.

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Kragar  May 24, 2017 • 11:10:53am
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stpaulbear  May 24, 2017 • 11:12:39am

re: #3 Kragar

Thread

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That was a great thread and so easy to believe that it’s all true.

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stpaulbear  May 24, 2017 • 11:13:44am

re: #4 Kragar

But it’s such a clone of a rock I saw 30 years ago

(edit: last thread music discussion reference)

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 11:15:59am

re: #6 Kragar

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Like I said before, the Pope knows what a bad man the yam is. He watched him.

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Interesting Times  May 24, 2017 • 11:16:45am

re: #7 stpaulbear

That was a great thread and so easy to believe that it’s all true.

One of the responses re Newt’s 3rd wife:

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 11:16:54am

re: #5 Stanley Sea

This guy is everything.

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If I ever meet him, the first pint will be on me. That’s what we should be. United in our collective humanity.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 11:17:29am

re: #10 Interesting Times

One of the responses re Newt’s 3rd wife:

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Hahahha yeah i can see Tiffany in her.

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gocart mozart  May 24, 2017 • 11:17:47am
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jeffreyw  May 24, 2017 • 11:17:57am

re: #4 Kragar

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That is a boulder made from rock, but I repeat myself.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 11:18:27am

re: #13 gocart mozart

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“Oh, fuck, that’s right you’re married to that guy.”

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Kragar  May 24, 2017 • 11:21:45am
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Single-handed sailor  May 24, 2017 • 11:21:58am

re: #4 Kragar

No, it’s a boulder.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 11:22:20am
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gocart mozart  May 24, 2017 • 11:23:26am
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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 11:24:05am

re: #19 gocart mozart

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Melon Cat wears it bettetr.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 24, 2017 • 11:24:40am
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Dave In Austin  May 24, 2017 • 11:25:29am
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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 11:25:44am

re: #22 The Vicious Babushka

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Carsdotcom is obviously be paid off by liberal fascists!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 11:26:18am
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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 11:26:47am

re: #23 Dave In Austin

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Yeah because you’re such an erstwhile champion of freedom of speech Lumpy. For fuck sake, you’re a fucking ghoul who is using this kid’s death to distract from the fact that the man whose balls you’ve swallowed is a Russian colluding crook.

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Timothy Watson  May 24, 2017 • 11:27:00am

re: #23 Dave In Austin

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Actual fascism by conservatives directed towards the Dixie Chicks escapes his memory I guess.

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Bubblehead II  May 24, 2017 • 11:27:12am
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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 11:27:41am

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

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3 months of detention, Mr. Trump.

Not fair! My Dad owns the Vatican!

Uh, no he doesn’t. Your father wasn’t even Catholic.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 11:27:44am

re: #23 Dave In Austin

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 11:28:15am

re: #27 Timothy Watson

Actual fascism by conservatives directed towards the Dixie Chicks escapes his memory I guess.

That he himself engaged in. But I get it saying you’re ashamed to be from the same state as someone is the same as pushing conspiracy theory bullshit.

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Barefoot Grin  May 24, 2017 • 11:28:43am

“Dr.” Gorka was on Fox this morning as a terrorism expert to discuss Manchester.

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Sir John Barron  May 24, 2017 • 11:30:28am

re: #23 Dave In Austin

Even beyond that, he’s just lying, not caring about facts that don’t fit his narrative, he’s just trying to create chaos, which is oddly what he now accuses Trump critics of doing. Although anti-administration agitation was OK just a few months ago.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 11:31:16am
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Dave In Austin  May 24, 2017 • 11:32:06am

So last thread, lizard ages were brought up. Just by conversation it seems that a lot of us are contemporaries.
I’m 62 and getting more liberal by the day.
Yous?

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caseyjr  May 24, 2017 • 11:32:16am

re: #17 Single-handed sailor

No, it’s a boulder.

Monadnock? Inselberg?

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Kragar  May 24, 2017 • 11:32:45am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 11:34:09am

re: #35 Dave In Austin

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goddamnedfrank  May 24, 2017 • 11:34:28am

re: #4 Kragar

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IT’S A GLACIAL ERRATIC YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 11:35:09am
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Timothy Watson  May 24, 2017 • 11:35:12am

re: #35 Dave In Austin

So last thread, lizard ages were brought up. Just by conversation it seems that a lot of us are contemporaries.
I’m 62 and getting more liberal by the day.
Yous?

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Jebediah, RBG  May 24, 2017 • 11:35:31am

re: #35 Dave In Austin

I think I am right around 52.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 24, 2017 • 11:35:31am

re: #35 Dave In Austin

So last thread, lizard ages were brought up. Just by conversation it seems that a lot of us are contemporaries.
I’m 62 and getting more liberal by the day.
Yous?

Who are the oldest & the youngest Lizards?

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Teukka  May 24, 2017 • 11:35:45am

re: #41 Timothy Watson

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45 here.

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KGxvi  May 24, 2017 • 11:35:55am

Francis has the easiest smile of any Pope of my life time. How fucking terrible do you have to be to cause him to not smile at all?

Also, can’t wait for all the American (conservative) Catholics to scream about what a heretic Francis is… again.

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caseyjr  May 24, 2017 • 11:36:07am

I have been interested in who cosigned or collateralized Trump’s desperation borrowing from Deutchesbank, after no US bank would lend him a dime.

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KGxvi  May 24, 2017 • 11:36:23am

re: #44 Teukka

45 here.

39, going on 19.

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FormerDirtDart  May 24, 2017 • 11:36:58am

What a shitty way to go…
Yeah, I went there

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 24, 2017 • 11:37:14am

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

He has been so brilliant. It is a badly needed bit of levity as I deal with the news each day.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 11:37:49am

re: #35 Dave In Austin

So last thread, lizard ages were brought up. Just by conversation it seems that a lot of us are contemporaries.
I’m 62 and getting more liberal by the day.
Yous?

29.

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makeitstop  May 24, 2017 • 11:37:59am

re: #35 Dave In Austin

So last thread, lizard ages were brought up. Just by conversation it seems that a lot of us are contemporaries.
I’m 62 and getting more liberal by the day.
Yous?

64 in August, still act like a big kid.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 11:38:18am

re: #45 KGxvi

Francis has the easiest smile of any Pope of my life time. How fucking terrible do you have to be to cause him to not smile at all?

Also, can’t wait for all the American (conservative) Catholics to scream about what a heretic Francis is… again.

I’m eagerly awaiting Bill Donovan’s attack.

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Barefoot Grin  May 24, 2017 • 11:38:24am

re: #42 Jebediah, RBG

I think I am right around 52.

This lines up with my way of thinking.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 24, 2017 • 11:39:39am

I will celebrate my 29th birthday for the 4th time this year.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 11:39:56am

Francis really is one of the best things to happen to Catholicism. Didn’t like Benedict much at all- never called him a Nazi but wasn’t a fan. I admired John Paul II more or less due to his experience in WWII and the Cold War.

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Jebediah, RBG  May 24, 2017 • 11:40:11am

re: #49 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I particularly like the pictures of our last First Couple being loving, affectionate, respectful, etc with each other.

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 11:40:37am

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Apparently Spicer wasn’t invited in & is pissed.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 11:40:44am

re: #54 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I will celebrate my 29th birthday for the 4th time this year.

Well shit, I’m looking forward to my ninth 21st birthday. I actually don’t mind getting a little older though. I’m more mature, introspective, and happier than I was when I was younger.

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Belafon  May 24, 2017 • 11:40:59am

47 years, 6 months, 9 days.

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Bubblehead II  May 24, 2017 • 11:41:16am

re: #35 Dave In Austin

So last thread, lizard ages were brought up. Just by conversation it seems that a lot of us are contemporaries.
I’m 62 and getting more liberal by the day.
Yous?

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 24, 2017 • 11:41:23am

For the record I am 35 (36 in a few months).

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Timothy Watson  May 24, 2017 • 11:41:40am

re: #57 Stanley Sea

Apparently Spicer wasn’t invited in & is pissed.

Okay, I hate Spicer as much as the next guy, but to deny someone, who is Catholic, the opportunity to the meet the Pope…

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Belafon  May 24, 2017 • 11:42:23am

re: #62 Timothy Watson

Okay, I hate Spicer as much as the next guy, but to deny someone, who is Catholic, the opportunity to the meet the Pope…

Does Trump know the Pope’s Catholic?

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Jebediah, RBG  May 24, 2017 • 11:42:29am

re: #62 Timothy Watson

…is a needlessly shitty thing to do. Therefor it is very Trumpian.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 11:42:30am
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 24, 2017 • 11:42:31am

re: #56 Jebediah, RBG

I particularly like the pictures of our last First Couple being loving, affectionate, respectful, etc with each other.

Mostly I really enjoy pretending that reality is still intact.

I laugh because otherwise it’s really hard not to sob.

(Today’s run brings my year total up to 407/1000. I’m well on track to make my goal. :D)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 11:42:44am

re: #58 HappyWarrior

Well shit, I’m looking forward to my ninth 21st birthday. I actually don’t mind getting a little older though. I’m more mature, introspective, and happier than I was when I was younger.

A little older isn’t bad. A lot older starts to hurt.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 11:42:59am

washingtonpost.com

Francis asked Melania if she was giving him potica (Slovene nutroll)) to eat hahahhaa.

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 11:43:16am

re: #35 Dave In Austin

re: #62 Timothy Watson

Okay, I hate Spicer as much as the next guy, but to deny someone, who is Catholic, the opportunity to the meet the Pope…

Yup. The yam is an asshole.

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Jebediah, RBG  May 24, 2017 • 11:43:27am

re: #66 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Mostly I really enjoy pretending that reality is still intact.

I laugh because otherwise it’s really hard not to sob.

(Today’s run brings my year total up to 407/1000. I’m well on track to make my goal. :D)

Yes, yes, and congratulations & good job!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 24, 2017 • 11:44:08am

re: #58 HappyWarrior

Well shit, I’m looking forward to my ninth 21st birthday. I actually don’t mind getting a little older though. I’m more mature, introspective, and happier than I was when I was younger.

It has more to do with my weird hangups about numbers and not liking the fact that there is a 3 in my age and it won’t go away for another 8 years than anything else.

I mean, if I had my way I would have just stayed 24 forever. But with the added knowledge and maturity and all that. But just keep the number 24.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 11:44:11am

re: #62 Timothy Watson

Okay, I hate Spicer as much as the next guy, but to deny someone, who is Catholic, the opportunity to the meet the Pope…

Yeah I don’t get that. Didn’t know Spicey was Catholic though. Though I can’t say I’ve known too many Seans who weren’t.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 24, 2017 • 11:44:32am

Can’t you just imagine Francis looking skyward and asking God to never do that to him again after Trump left?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 11:44:46am
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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 11:45:16am

re: #71 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It has more to do with my weird hangups about numbers and not liking the fact that there is a 3 in my age and it won’t go away for another 8 years than anything else.

I mean, if I had my way I would have just stayed 24 forever. But with the added knowledge and maturity and all that. But just keep the number 24.

27 for me. I was in my best shape that year. I’ve gained some weight back. But then again, this year I’ve felt the best emotionally since I’ve started taking anti-depressants. The Trump stuff would really mess with my anxiety if I weren’t.

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BlueGrl21  May 24, 2017 • 11:46:08am

1. His budget, according to my Republican Senator (John Cornyn) is “dead on arrival.” This piece of evil offal isn’t going to get anywhere. But the fact that the Trump White House is this sickeningly cruel is disgusting.
2. I am willing to claim Cornyn as my Senator because he is not a moron. I do not agree with him on almost anything but I respect him. He’s a dignified human on the opposite side of a debate we could have over beers one night.
3. Ted Cruz is also a Senator. I do not claim him. I’d say he’s a minion of Cthulhu but i respect Cthulhu. He’s more of a minion of Satan’s personal ass-wiper.
4. I know at night, when the Pope says his prayers, he asks God to help him forgive his enemies and love everyone. And i know, I KNOW, Donald Trump’s face flashes before him, every night, as his greatest challenge to living that faith.
5. I’d have given a year’s salary to watch Pope Francis overturn his desk and yell, “Hypocrites! Moneylenders in the Temple! I will purge this holy place of your filth!”

Didn’t happen, but his facial expressions sure looked like he was thinking about it.

Onward.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 11:46:31am
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EPR-radar  May 24, 2017 • 11:47:17am

re: #45 KGxvi

Francis has the easiest smile of any Pope of my life time. How fucking terrible do you have to be to cause him to not smile at all?

Also, can’t wait for all the American (conservative) Catholics to scream about what a heretic Francis is… again.

An Antichrist like Trump is apparently enough to piss off the pope.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 11:47:42am

I’m sure the Pope will be civil about his exchange but the vibe I got from looking at him is he was not happy to meet Trump.

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EPR-radar  May 24, 2017 • 11:48:47am

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump to take credit for this shortly.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 24, 2017 • 11:48:49am

IF ONLY

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 11:49:00am

I wonder if Spicer was on the list, then taken off & Francis knew.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 11:49:01am

heh

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 24, 2017 • 11:50:09am

re: #75 HappyWarrior

27 for me. I was in my best shape that year. I’ve gained some weight back. But then again, this year I’ve felt the best emotionally since I’ve started taking anti-depressants. The Trump stuff would really mess with my anxiety if I weren’t.

I am, perhaps unsurprisingly, in the best shape of my life right now.

I’m running 5 days a week, with my short days being a 5k. Working up to a half for my long day, and 10k for my mids, but not quite there yet.

It’s still a really weird and different thing and there’s a lot I haven’t processed about it yet, not really.

The first thing CL said to me when we met? “Look at you, you’re so skinny!”

That meant an awful lot. Still does mean a lot. (I wouldn’t necessarily say I am skinny, but in a relative sense to where I was I absolutely am, so.)

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Timothy Watson  May 24, 2017 • 11:50:42am

re: #80 EPR-radar

Trump to take credit for this shortly.

“In my administration, they will add a yuge amount of stars and they will be the most beautiful stars ever!”

“Uh, Mr. President…”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 11:50:53am
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Teukka  May 24, 2017 • 11:51:34am

re: #81 The Vicious Babushka

IF ONLY

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re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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I detect serious snark from one of Francis’ order brothers :3

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 11:51:40am

re: #84 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I am, perhaps unsurprisingly, in the best shape of my life right now.

I’m running 5 days a week, with my short days being a 5k. Working up to a half for my long day, and 10k for my mids, but not quite there yet.

It’s still a really weird and different thing and there’s a lot I haven’t processed about it yet, not really.

The first thing CL said to me when we met? “Look at you, you’re so skinny!”

That meant an awful lot. Still does mean a lot. (I wouldn’t necessarily say I am skinny, but in a relative sense to where I was I absolutely am, so.)

IT was so nice that you were able to meet her. I miss her. She really contributed a lot here. I’m definitely not skinny but I don’t feel fat and my energy is definitely good.

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wrenchwench  May 24, 2017 • 11:51:49am

re: #68 HappyWarrior

washingtonpost.com

Francis asked Melania if she was giving him potica (Slovene nutroll)) to eat hahahhaa.

My gramma from the same neighborhood as Melania made that every year at Easter. Took years to get a recipe out of her, mostly by my aunt’s observations.

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ObserverArt  May 24, 2017 • 11:52:29am

re: #51 makeitstop

64 in August, still act like a big kid.

63 in August for me…and yes I act like a big kid too.

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goddamnedfrank  May 24, 2017 • 11:53:07am
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Unshaken Defiance  May 24, 2017 • 11:53:19am

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 11:53:25am

re: #87 Teukka

I detect serious snark from one of Francis’ order brothers :3

I was disappointed when I found out my great uncle the priest was a Holy Ghost Father and not a Jesuit but I did find out his Order, they like to help impoverished and underserved areas. I’m not a religious man at all but I appreciate and respect the life my uncle lived. He was a war time chaplain too.

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Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)  May 24, 2017 • 11:53:27am

Between the rather dismal spectacle of a longtime Lizard apparently flipping his wig here last night, and the struggles with analytics-tracking technology for various clients, I’ve been quiet for the past day or so.

But age-related questions? That I can do.

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makeitstop  May 24, 2017 • 11:53:38am

re: #90 ObserverArt

63 in August for me…and yes I act like a big kid too.

I think our birthdays are a couple of days apart - yours just before Big Dog’s BD and mine just after, IIRC.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 24, 2017 • 11:54:18am

re: #88 HappyWarrior

IT was so nice that you were able to meet her. I miss her. She really contributed a lot here. I’m definitely not skinny but I don’t feel fat and my energy is definitely good.

I would have regretted it so much if we hadn’t. We’d talked about it off and on for close to a year. Just decided to make the time for it last year when we were back for Christmas.

If I’d had any time on this recent trip to DC, I would have let you northern VA Lizards know. But this was as close to an in-and-out as was humanly possible.

I am slowly collecting Lizard meet-ups.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 11:54:37am

re: #89 wrenchwench

My gramma from the same neighborhood as Melania made that every year at Easter. Took years to get a recipe out of her, mostly by my aunt’s observations.

Yeah my grandpa’s parents were from the same region as Slovenia as Melania is. We’ve joked that my grandfather may have went for Trump because he would have liked the Slovene wife thingie but I hope not. Trump goes against so much of what he taught my mom, my brothers, and I.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 24, 2017 • 11:54:56am

I’ll jump on the age-train, 51 here.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 11:55:35am

re: #96 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I would have regretted it so much if we hadn’t. We’d talked about it off and on for close to a year. Just decided to make the time for it last year when we were back for Christmas.

If I’d had any time on this recent trip to DC, I would have let you northern VA Lizards know. But this was as close to an in-and-out as was humanly possible.

I am slowly collecting Lizard meet-ups.

Certainly. Glad you were able to do it. I’m sure she felt the same way.

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Dave In Austin  May 24, 2017 • 11:55:37am
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 24, 2017 • 11:56:07am

re: #94 Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)

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Apocalypse  May 24, 2017 • 11:57:04am

re: #35 Dave In Austin

25 in earth years or 100 in (largish) dog years.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 11:57:35am

re: #87 Teukka

I detect serious snark from one of Francis’ order brothers :3

I notice that they are finally photographed holding hands.

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 11:57:52am
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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 11:57:53am

My boss always thinks I’m younger than I am when we discuss current events since he always assumes I was just a kid during the Bush years. I mean I was for part of it but not in the sense that I wasn’t old enough to understand current events.

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danarchy  May 24, 2017 • 11:58:00am

re: #45 KGxvi

Francis has the easiest smile of any Pope of my life time. How fucking terrible do you have to be to cause him to not smile at all?

Also, can’t wait for all the American (conservative) Catholics to scream about what a heretic Francis is… again.

I think it is a bit of confirmation bias to make judgements based on a snapshot. While I think it is highly likely the Pope finds Trump to be odious and distasteful, I think it would be feeding my own bias to believe a couple of photos the press pool that has a pretty antagonistic relationship with Trump decided to release confirmed that.

cnn.com

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Semper Fi  May 24, 2017 • 11:58:08am

re: #71 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It has more to do with my weird hangups about numbers and not liking the fact that there is a 3 in my age and it won’t go away for another 8 years than anything else.

I mean, if I had my way I would have just stayed 24 forever. But with the added knowledge and maturity and all that. But just keep the number 24.

There’s a three in mine too…preceded by eight decades. Stay in shape.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 11:58:49am

re: #104 Stanley Sea

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And for his next punishment, Spicer will have to share a room with Steve Bannon.

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piratedan  May 24, 2017 • 11:58:53am

<——- 56, going on adolescence

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 24, 2017 • 11:59:37am

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

I notice that they are finally photographed holding hands.

“I’ll let you buy a $1 million worth of jewelry if you hold my hand for a few moments.”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 24, 2017 • 12:00:18pm

re: #107 Semper Fi

There’s a three in mine too…preceded by eight decades. Stay in shape.

I’m working on that.

I need to sign up for another half marathon. I am without a race to train for for the first time in almost a year.

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stpaulbear  May 24, 2017 • 12:00:21pm

re: #81 The Vicious Babushka

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump is probably standing there thinking “Not impressive. I thought it would be bigger.”

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 12:00:48pm

re: #108 HappyWarrior

And for his next punishment, Spicer will have to share a room with Steve Bannon.

He’s being fired.

Can’t stand Spicer, but this is SUCH A DICK MOVE by the yam.

Hope fucking Hicks & Shiller his body guard/fixer guy got to go.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 24, 2017 • 12:01:15pm

Honestly speaking I have enjoyed my 30s more than my 20s. I do have the blessing of good health but I am more mature and confident in myself as a man now.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 24, 2017 • 12:01:20pm

re: #94 Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)

Between the rather dismal spectacle of a longtime Lizard apparently flipping his wig here last night, and the struggles with analytics-tracking technology for various clients, I’ve been quiet for the past day or so.

But age-related questions? That I can do.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:01:40pm

re: #113 Stanley Sea

He’s being fired.

Can’t stand Spicer, but this is SUCH A DICK MOVE by the yam.

Hope fucking Hicks & Shiller his body guard/fixer guy got to go.

Yeah it is. Pretty pathetic move.

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Timothy Watson  May 24, 2017 • 12:02:34pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

My boss always thinks I’m younger than I am when we discuss current events since he always assumes I was just a kid during the Bush years. I mean I was for part of it but not in the sense that I wasn’t old enough to understand current events.

Yeah, I remembered Osama bin Laden’s name from the USS Cole and embassy attacks when people started suggesting him being responsible on 9/11.

Like I said last thread, almost eidetic memory.

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BeachDem  May 24, 2017 • 12:03:01pm

re: #43 The Vicious Babushka

Who are the oldest & the youngest Lizards?

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:03:36pm

re: #115 The Vicious Babushka

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 24, 2017 • 12:03:54pm

re: #115 The Vicious Babushka

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The Vicious Babushka  May 24, 2017 • 12:04:00pm

I know I am A Old when my kids explain to my grandkids how they used to get on the Internet in the olden days using a modem that made a SCREEEEEEEEE when it connected.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:04:23pm

re: #117 Timothy Watson

Yeah, I remembered Osama bin Laden’s name from the USS Cole and embassy attacks when people started suggesting him being responsible on 9/11.

Like I said last thread, almost eidetic memory.

Exactly, and the Embassy bombings. I was a fanatical watcher of America’s Most Wanted with John Walsh back in the day so I was one of the few people our age who knew who OBL was when 9-11 happened.

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Apocalypse  May 24, 2017 • 12:04:45pm

re: #113 Stanley Sea

In all fairness (Spice deserves none though), a puppeteer could do his job. Spineless sack of wasted viscera is what makes it easier to dislike him. Also he’s shit at his job.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 24, 2017 • 12:05:36pm

re: #121 The Vicious Babushka

I know I am A Old when my kids explain to my grandkids how they used to get on the Internet in the olden days using a modem that made a SCREEEEEEEEE when it connected.

That was the modem we had from about age 5 (Prodigy!) to 11 or 12ish. I forget exactly when we got cable.

My parents didn’t bother to enlighten me that cable Internet also meant the Internet was always on and they didn’t have to log me in. It took me far longer than it should have to figure that out.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 24, 2017 • 12:05:52pm

re: #121 The Vicious Babushka

By golly we used have to wait 5 minutes to download a song…and that’s IF the connection was good!

Also getting them to grasp the concept of not being able to use the phone and internet at the same time.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:07:01pm

re: #118 BeachDem

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stpaulbear  May 24, 2017 • 12:07:02pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

I notice that they are finally photographed holding hands.

Melania is afraid that she’s seeing her future.

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ObserverArt  May 24, 2017 • 12:08:16pm

re: #95 makeitstop

I think our birthdays are a couple of days apart - yours just before Big Dog’s BD and mine just after, IIRC.

Mine is shared with Bill Big Dog Clinton.

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Charles Johnson  May 24, 2017 • 12:08:55pm

re: #121 The Vicious Babushka

I know I am A Old when my kids explain to my grandkids how they used to get on the Internet in the olden days using a modem that made a SCREEEEEEEEE when it connected.

I’m so old my first modem was the kind that had rubber cups you had to put a telephone handset into. 300 baud. You could see the characters appear on screen one by one.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:09:07pm

re: #124 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That was the modem we had from about age 5 (Prodigy!) to 11 or 12ish. I forget exactly when we got cable.

My parents didn’t bother to enlighten me that cable Internet also meant the Internet was always on and they didn’t have to log me in. It took me far longer than it should have to figure that out.

We didn’t have cable until I was 6. I remember how we got it. My one brother and I got hooked on Nickeldeon at the Econo Lodge one vacation. We got our computer the following year because I liked playing the computer games in computers class in grade school. Got online for the first time I want to say in 6th or 7th grade. My youngest brother really has no idea what life was like before that. I do like to bust him on that to act like my childhood was somehow Dickensian- it cetainly wasn’t heh but doesn’t stop me.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 24, 2017 • 12:09:42pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

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calochortus  May 24, 2017 • 12:09:59pm

re: #35 Dave In Austin

So last thread, lizard ages were brought up. Just by conversation it seems that a lot of us are contemporaries.
I’m 62 and getting more liberal by the day.
Yous?

I’ll be 64 next week. (Will Mr. C. still need me? Will he still feed me?)
I don’t know if I’m getting more liberal at this point, but perhaps taking a wider perspective and developing a deeper understanding of people and their situations.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:10:08pm

I’m so old. I had to actually get print porn rather than just googling away. You kids and your pornhub. //

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KGxvi  May 24, 2017 • 12:10:20pm

re: #106 danarchy

I think it is a bit of confirmation bias to make judgements based on a snapshot. While I think it is highly likely the Pope finds Trump to be odious and distasteful, I think it would be feeding my own bias to believe a couple of photos the press pool that has a pretty antagonistic relationship with Trump decided to release confirmed that.

cnn.com

That’s probably true. Just the first few photos I saw made it appear that his Holiness was not particularly happy to be there. I’m sure Francis is a better person than I am, or would be in that situation, so I’m also sure that there will be at least a few photos of him smiling with Trump.

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Timothy Watson  May 24, 2017 • 12:10:38pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

We didn’t have cable until I was 6. I remember how we got it. My one brother and I got hooked on Nickeldeon at the Econo Lodge one vacation. We got our computer the following year because I liked playing the computer games in computers class in grade school. Got online for the first time I want to say in 6th or 7th grade. My youngest brother really has no idea what life was like before that. I do like to bust him on that to act like my childhood was somehow Dickensian- it cetainly wasn’t heh but doesn’t stop me.

I’ve been using computers since I was 4 or so. I remembering having to REM lines in autoexec.bat and config.sys in MS-DOS to have enough memory to run video games. :)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 12:10:48pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

I’m so old my first modem was the kind that had rubber cups you had to put a telephone handset into. 300 baud. You could see the characters appear on screen one by one.

So did mine. After Wargames came out, I built a pulse dialer to look for computers. I hooked a relay up to my cassette interface and wrote my own dialing program to pulse the phone line on my TRS-80 Color Computer.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:11:40pm

re: #136 Timothy Watson

I’ve been using computers since I was 4 or so. I remembering having to REM lines in autoexec.bat and config.sys in MS-DOS to have enough memory to run video games. :)

I’ve been since I was about six or so. We had a weekly class on computers in grade school so I played Oregon Trial. There was one game we had that I remember my best friend and I playing called Grammar Monsters, it was a lot like Mad Libs if I recall correctly.

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gocart mozart  May 24, 2017 • 12:12:20pm
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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:12:39pm

In a way, I feel I can relate to my Gen Xer cousins better than I can my youngest brother even though he’s a Millennial too.

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makeitstop  May 24, 2017 • 12:13:59pm

re: #129 ObserverArt

Mine is shared with Bill Big Dog Clinton.

That’s right! And mine’s the day after, which I share with Robert Plant and Phil Lynott (and a bunch of other cool humans).

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 24, 2017 • 12:14:18pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

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Kragar  May 24, 2017 • 12:14:24pm
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Dave In Austin  May 24, 2017 • 12:15:37pm

I love Francis and I’m not Catholic. I was raised in a strict Baptist environment. I made all the commitments to make family happy but down deep the inner scientist prevailed.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 12:15:46pm

re: #143 Kragar

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Timothy Watson  May 24, 2017 • 12:17:10pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

In a way, I feel I can relate to my Gen Xer cousins better than I can my youngest brother even though he’s a Millennial too.

How old is he?

Once you get to people who weren’t alive or old enough to remember 9/11, I think I would feel a disconnect.

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ObserverArt  May 24, 2017 • 12:17:36pm

re: #141 makeitstop

That’s right! And mine’s the day after, which I share with Robert Plant and Phil Lynott (and a bunch of other cool humans).

Leo’s rule!

(Actually, I don’t buy into the Zodiac stuff)

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:18:57pm

re: #142 Eclectic Cyborg

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danarchy  May 24, 2017 • 12:19:12pm

re: #136 Timothy Watson

I’ve been using computers since I was 4 or so. I remembering having to REM lines in autoexec.bat and config.sys in MS-DOS to have enough memory to run video games. :)

I remember that too. Of course I was in college at the time, so if I didn’t I would be worried about early onset Alzheimers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 12:19:42pm

re: #118 BeachDem

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:20:03pm

re: #146 Timothy Watson

How old is he?

Once you get to people who weren’t alive or old enough to remember 9/11, I think I would feel a disconnect.

Yep 16 so he literally was born the year 9/11 happened. We’re close since we talk a lot and spent a lot of time together but culturally I’m much more connected with my other brother since we remember playing on our SEGA, Kazaa, etc.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  May 24, 2017 • 12:20:09pm

Age-wise, I became a Legend in disc golf this year, as I turn 70 in August and that is the disc golf competitive label for those of us who compete in the eighth decade of life. I’ve just registered for the 2017 Pro Masters World Championships, which take place in August.

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KGxvi  May 24, 2017 • 12:20:28pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

re: #142 Eclectic Cyborg

The borders on generations are usually kind of fuzzy. And the experiences of older members of a generation vs younger members of a generation can vary rather dramatically. I was born in ‘78, and my experience as a GenXer is probably vastly different than someone born in ‘65 which is one of the border points between Boomers and Xers (after all, someone born in ‘65 would have been graduating high school when I was 5).

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 24, 2017 • 12:20:55pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

We didn’t have cable until I was 6. I remember how we got it. My one brother and I got hooked on Nickeldeon at the Econo Lodge one vacation. We got our computer the following year because I liked playing the computer games in computers class in grade school. Got online for the first time I want to say in 6th or 7th grade. My youngest brother really has no idea what life was like before that. I do like to bust him on that to act like my childhood was somehow Dickensian- it cetainly wasn’t heh but doesn’t stop me.

We only had cable TV for a summer when I was like 8, but my mom felt I watched too much TV so that didn’t stay. Just cable Internet, until 9/11.*

* The broadcast antennas were on top of the WTC. The back-ups were not nearly as good.

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BeachDem  May 24, 2017 • 12:21:10pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

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gocart mozart  May 24, 2017 • 12:21:14pm

Best song about masturbation IMHO

Pictures Of Lily - The Who

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Interesting Times  May 24, 2017 • 12:21:14pm

Gen X’er here. To be more specific…

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:21:53pm

re: #154 KGxvi

The borders on generations are usually kind of fuzzy. And the experiences of older members of a generation vs younger members of a generation can vary rather dramatically. I was born in ‘78, and my experience as a GenXer is probably vastly different than someone born in ‘65 which is one of the border points between Boomers and Xers (after all, someone born in ‘65 would have been graduating high school when I was 5).

Exactly. My parents were both born in the 50’s but my Dad remembers the Kennedy yeras much more since he was born at the beginning and my Mom wasn’t even in elementary school when he was killed.

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BeachDem  May 24, 2017 • 12:22:17pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

We didn’t have cable until I was 6. I remember how we got it. My one brother and I got hooked on Nickeldeon at the Econo Lodge one vacation. We got our computer the following year because I liked playing the computer games in computers class in grade school. Got online for the first time I want to say in 6th or 7th grade. My youngest brother really has no idea what life was like before that. I do like to bust him on that to act like my childhood was somehow Dickensian- it cetainly wasn’t heh but doesn’t stop me.

Damn—I really AM old. We didn’t have a television until I was 6.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:23:10pm

re: #160 BeachDem

Damn—I really AM old. We didn’t have a television until I was 6.

I’ll get off your lawn.

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calochortus  May 24, 2017 • 12:23:31pm

re: #141 makeitstop

That’s right! And mine’s the day after, which I share with Robert Plant and Phil Lynott (and a bunch of other cool humans).

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retired cynic  May 24, 2017 • 12:23:38pm

Age: 69

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Timothy Watson  May 24, 2017 • 12:24:16pm

re: #160 BeachDem

Damn—I really AM old. We didn’t have a television until I was 6.

Did you have to go to the theater to watch serials?

(My parents were born in 1950 and 1948.)

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ObserverArt  May 24, 2017 • 12:24:37pm

re: #157 gocart mozart

Best song about masturbation IMHO

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 12:24:49pm

re: #163 retired cynic

Age: 69

The sexiest age.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  May 24, 2017 • 12:25:06pm

re: #163 retired cynic

Nice

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 12:25:46pm

re: #115 The Vicious Babushka

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wrenchwench  May 24, 2017 • 12:26:21pm

I prefer to learn what year a person was born in, because that doesn’t change. Those damned ages change every year. My younger sisters expressed awe and dismay when they realized the Police song ‘Born In The 50s’ would apply to me. 1958. (Those sisters were born in 1966.)

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stpaulbear  May 24, 2017 • 12:26:24pm

Autoplay Arby’s ads keeps dragging me back up to the top of the page. Took me three tried to type this.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 24, 2017 • 12:26:46pm

Well, since I still refuse to be that lazy as to pay for grocery delivery, I guess I need to go do something so there is food in the house.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:26:46pm

I know I am one of the younger lizards but I always meshed in well since even though I’m teh oldest of my brothers, I have a lot of same generation (family wise) first cousins who are much older. The really older ones like to bust on me like I’m their kid cousin probably because they have kids that I could have gone to school with but the younger ones treat me more as a peer. You can guess which ones I’ve had the most fun partying with.

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austin_blue  May 24, 2017 • 12:27:01pm

re: #44 Teukka

45 here.

61.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 12:27:28pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

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calochortus  May 24, 2017 • 12:27:48pm

re: #171 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Well, since I still refuse to be that lazy as to pay for grocery delivery, I guess I need to go do something so there is food in the house.

Or you could stay home and thus speed up your weight loss…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 24, 2017 • 12:28:07pm

re: #175 calochortus

Or you could stay home and thus speed up your weight loss…

I have a husband who gets very hangry.

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calochortus  May 24, 2017 • 12:28:38pm

re: #176 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I have a husband who gets very hangry.

There is that…

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Timothy Watson  May 24, 2017 • 12:28:47pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

I know I am one of the younger lizards but I always meshed in well since even though I’m teh oldest of my brothers, I have a lot of same generation (family wise) first cousins who are much older. The really older ones like to bust on me like I’m their kid cousin probably because they have kids that I could have gone to school with but the younger ones treat me more as a peer. You can guess which ones I’ve had the most fun partying with.

Yeah, my oldest first cousin has a son who is my age. The youngest is a year or two older than my older brother.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  May 24, 2017 • 12:28:53pm

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:29:01pm

I always like to plug in the year I was born and my current age. Oh? So someone 30 the year I was born would be 60 this year. So that means 60 isn’t so old. It is funny though. When I reconnected with some of my old camp counselors who I knew when they were young college kids, I was in my mid 20’s, quite a bit older than they were. Now I’m around the same age when we reconnected.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 12:30:30pm

re: #171 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Well, since I still refuse to be that lazy as to pay for grocery delivery, I guess I need to go do something so there is food in the house.

I’m fully lazy enough to use Peapod, and I love it!

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:30:31pm

re: #178 Timothy Watson

Yeah, my oldest first cousin has a son who is my age. The youngest is a year or two older than my older brother.

As you know, I’ve done my tree. I found that I have some family generation cousins that are old enough to be my grandparents! I guess that’s what happens when you’re descended from so many youngest siblings. I only have one first cousin whom I’m older than. Hell my one first cousin became a grandpa not long after my youngest brother was born.

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BeachDem  May 24, 2017 • 12:31:23pm

re: #164 Timothy Watson

Did you have to go to theater to watch serials?

(My parents were bold in 1950 and 1948.)

Don’t recall that. We went to the movies on Saturdays a lot, but don’t remember serials.

I do remember that when the Mickey Mouse Show debuted, my brother had Hebrew school at the time it was on, and I tormented him daily because he had to miss it.

And I remember watching the Andy Devine show on Saturdays and running to hide in the kitchen cabinets when Midnight the Cat came on, because that cat freaked me out.

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Jay C  May 24, 2017 • 12:31:31pm

re: #35 Dave In Austin

So last thread, lizard ages were brought up. Just by conversation it seems that a lot of us are contemporaries.
I’m 62 and getting more liberal by the day.
Yous?

Join the club bloc cell cadre: I’m rapidly (next month) approaching official geezerhood, and I find myself getting leftier by the week. I’ve never been very right-leaning ( a holdover from Vietnam days, no doubt): but the Trump Era has pretty much edged me towards “see you on the barricades” (though NOT a Berniebot!)

Historical reference: Harry Truman was still POTUS when I was born…

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Shiplord Kirel  May 24, 2017 • 12:32:39pm

How gullible are people?
This historically illiterate fake attracted 13000 likes and 1100 comments before anyone called it out:

Facebook Post

This is the real picture at a real source:

The commercial hijacking of the 60s Counterculture was inevitable once the media conglomerates realized the profits to be made, but it also served the power structure by trivializing the issues of the day.

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calochortus  May 24, 2017 • 12:33:07pm

re: #182 HappyWarrior

As you know, I’ve done my tree. I found that I have some family generation cousins that are old enough to be my grandparents! I guess that’s what happens when you’re descended from so many youngest siblings. I only have one first cousin whom I’m older than. Hell my one first cousin became a grandpa not long after my youngest brother was born.

I hear you. I’m the baby of the family. I have cousins with kids older than I am. Dad, in particular, was a late bloomer…

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Bear  May 24, 2017 • 12:36:01pm

Started in with slide rules and log tables Then had an electronic calculator that would calculate the square root of a number. Wow that was something.

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Charles Johnson  May 24, 2017 • 12:36:07pm
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danarchy  May 24, 2017 • 12:37:10pm

re: #154 KGxvi

The borders on generations are usually kind of fuzzy. And the experiences of older members of a generation vs younger members of a generation can vary rather dramatically. I was born in ‘78, and my experience as a GenXer is probably vastly different than someone born in ‘65 which is one of the border points between Boomers and Xers (after all, someone born in ‘65 would have been graduating high school when I was 5).

Yeah, there is only 6 years between me and my younger brother, but there are certain experiences he won’t ever be able to relate to. Like getting up to change the channel, or having to play with the stupid bunny ears to get a TV signal. Running to the store to pick up a pack of cigarettes for my dad when I was hardly tall enough to see over the counter, piling a bunch of kids in the back of a pickup and taking a ride to the beach. Things that are almost unthinkable now but were pretty commonplace in the 70’s.

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ObserverArt  May 24, 2017 • 12:37:17pm

It’s good to hear that many LGF members are saying they are growing more liberal as they age.

I think a lot of people think you get more conservative as you get older. Maybe that was true years ago, but since Reagan I think maybe it has changed.

What I do not get is all the college age conservatives. The old cliche was kids in college were always “wet behind the ears” liberals because they haven’t learned anything yet and don’t have ‘stuff’ to protect, etc.

Maybe the fundamental Religious teachings has something to do with it.

I guess politics is all topsy-turvy these days.

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BeachDem  May 24, 2017 • 12:37:41pm

One more age-related thought before I actually do some work.

I look at the yam and see a really OLLLLDDD man. And I listen to all the talk about his diminishing faculties and his physical infirmities. Then it hits me that he’s only one year older than I am and I am gobsmacked. I still work—much of my work involves coast-to-coast travelling and working 17 hour days on the road. And every story I read about his “grueling” 9-day overseas trip just makes me laugh…and then cringe.

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 12:38:59pm

re: #190 ObserverArt

It’s good to hear that many LGF members are saying they are growing more liberal as they age.

I think a lot of people think you get more conservative as you get older. Maybe that was true years ago, but since Reagan I think maybe it has changed.

What I do not get is all the college age conservatives. The old cliche was kids in college were always “wet behind the ears” liberals because they haven’t learned anything yet and don’t have ‘stuff’ to protect, etc.

Maybe the fundamental Religious teachings has something to do with it.

I guess politics is all topsy-turvy these days.

My theory is college republicans are just greedy people.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 12:39:01pm

re: #190 ObserverArt

It’s good to hear that many LGF members are saying they are growing more liberal as they age.

I think a lot of people think you get more conservative as you get older. Maybe that was true years ago, but since Reagan I think maybe it has changed.

What I do not get is all the college age conservatives. The old cliche was kids in college were always “wet behind the ears” liberals because they haven’t learned anything yet and don’t have ‘stuff’ to protect, etc.

Maybe the fundamental Religious teachings has something to do with it.

I guess politics is all topsy-turvy these days.

I think that’s a symptom of a failing mind. People who are losing it tend to get more frightened and selfish. I’ve always said if you’re not a Liberal at 20, you have no heart. if you’re not a Conservative at 50, you don’t have dementia.

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Belafon  May 24, 2017 • 12:39:49pm

I’ve already given my age, but I was born on the day Apollo 12 landed on the moon.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 12:40:12pm

re: #192 Stanley Sea

My theory is college republicans are just greedy people.

Greedy, repressed, people, who have usually been damaged by their parents.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:40:47pm

re: #192 Stanley Sea

My theory is college republicans are just greedy people.

They’re entitled brats. I still remember discussing same sex marriage with one and she really pissed me off when she told one of my gay friends that he just wanted marriage equality for the legal privileges that marriage brings couples.

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DodgerFan1988  May 24, 2017 • 12:40:56pm

The Right Wing Media blaming Ariana Grande for the Manchester terror attack.
thedailybeast.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 12:41:50pm

Today is the BackwoodsSleuth couples’ 14th wedding anniversary (this despite knowing each other since 1965).

One month from today I shall be 65 years old.
MrBws is still a pupper since he doesn’t achieve Medicare status until February 2020. (Fun fact: IRL his nickname is PupEDawg)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 12:42:03pm

re: #196 HappyWarrior

They’re entitled brats. I still remember discussing same sex marriage with one and she really pissed me off when she told one of my gay friends that he just wanted marriage equality for the legal privileges that marriage brings couples.

Wanting equal rights is something people can be criticized for?

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:42:15pm

re: #197 DodgerFan1988

The Right Wing Media blaming Ariana Grande for the Manchester terror attack.
thedailybeast.com

These people are fucking awful. I really doubt anyone on MSNBC would be making jokes if a Toby Keith or Ted Nugent concert had this happen. These fucking people.

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calochortus  May 24, 2017 • 12:42:53pm

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

Today is the BackwoodsSleuth couples’ 14th wedding anniversary (this despite knowing each other since 1965).

One month from today I shall be 65 years old.
MrBws is still a pupper since he doesn’t achieve Medicare status until February 2020. (Fun fact: IRL his nickname is PupEDawg)

Congrats!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 12:43:16pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

These people are fucking awful. I really doubt anyone on MSNBC would be making jokes if a Toby Keith or Ted Nugent concert had this happen. These fucking people.

Because the people at MSNBC aren’t in a hate-driven, exclusionary, cult.

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Kragar  May 24, 2017 • 12:43:21pm
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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:43:42pm

re: #199 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Wanting equal rights is something people can be criticized for?

Yeah aooarebtky so. She was implying that he wasn’t going to be marrying for love but just for the benefits. We had a Facebook group where GMU Dems, Republicans, and others could talk the issues. It was started by a guy who had been by in the College Republicans but started drifting left after meeting some of our people. A lot of obnoxious right wing types in that group so I had to leave.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:43:57pm

re: #202 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Because the people at MSNBC aren’t in a hate-driven, exclusionary, cult.

Zactly.

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calochortus  May 24, 2017 • 12:43:58pm

re: #196 HappyWarrior

They’re entitled brats. I still remember discussing same sex marriage with one and she really pissed me off when she told one of my gay friends that he just wanted marriage equality for the legal privileges that marriage brings couples.

Of course they do. That would be the whole point, wouldn’t it? (As well as having society recognize your commitment.)

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:45:05pm

re: #203 Kragar

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Lumpy, Lumpy, if you love Trump so much, just ask Melania to divorce him so you can marry him already. You come off more pathetic than Trump himself these days and that’s really saying so much. I get it, you’re a fragile little snowflake who can’t handle oyur hero being criticized so you have to resort to conspiracy theories to cover for him.

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calochortus  May 24, 2017 • 12:45:47pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Yeah aooarebtky so. She was implying that he wasn’t going to be marrying for love but just for the benefits. We had a Facebook group where GMU Dems, Republicans, and others could talk the issues. It was started by a guy who had been by in the College Republicans but started drifting left after meeting some of our people. A lot of obnoxious right wing types in that group so I had to leave.

Yes, but if you wanted to marry for the benefits and you’re gay, you just marry someone of the opposite sex. That fails the most basic logic test.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  May 24, 2017 • 12:45:52pm

Still doing the age thing?

37 here.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:46:05pm

re: #206 calochortus

Of course they do. That would be the whole point, wouldn’t it? (As well as having society recognize your commitment.)

Yeah, I think what got me mad though was the implication that he just wanted the benefits and not the love and marriage part. It just reeked of the “free stuff” that Republicans love to throw out at people, ya know?

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Dave In Austin  May 24, 2017 • 12:46:26pm

re: #173 austin_blue

61.

You wanna grab some lunch tomorrow?

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:47:10pm

re: #208 calochortus

Yes, but if you wanted to marry for the benefits and you’re gay, you just marry someone of the opposite sex. That fails the most basic logic test.

Right. Remember when Bachmann tried to argue that gay marriage really wasn’t illegal since gay people could just marry people of the opposite sex? Gee, I ugess interracial marriage wasn’t illegal either.

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calochortus  May 24, 2017 • 12:47:15pm

re: #210 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I think what got me mad though was the implication that he just wanted the benefits and not the love and marriage part. It just reeked of the “free stuff” that Republicans love to throw out at people, ya know?

Yeah. It’s sad.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 12:47:35pm

re: #208 calochortus

Yes, but if you wanted to marry for the benefits and you’re gay, you just marry someone of the opposite sex. That fails the most basic logic test.

Just about everything the destructive Conservatives say fails a basic logic test. That’s what happens when the truth is less important than justifying mad bigotry.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:48:20pm

re: #213 calochortus

Yeah. It’s sad.

What I find sad is how many young conservatives are just as ignorant as their parents and grandparents. I once had a lot of hope for this generation of kids but I’m honestly not sure anymore.

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MsJ  May 24, 2017 • 12:49:52pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

Carsdotcom is obviously be paid off by liberal fascists!

And Pfizer is all about old folks. I doubt they’ll stop advertising on fox until the old folks die off.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 12:50:13pm

re: #190 ObserverArt

It’s good to hear that many LGF members are saying they are growing more liberal as they age.

I think a lot of people think you get more conservative as you get older. Maybe that was true years ago, but since Reagan I think maybe it has changed.

I’d like to think that us olds here at LGF remember enough of the 50s and 60s (and in some cases the 40s) and then what happened in the Reagan and Bush years…and the truly dreadful shit happening right now.

There’s a legitimate discussion to be had for compromise between liberal and conservative. That is NOT what we have now…now we have dystopia on our doorstep the likes of which we’ve only had hints of before.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  May 24, 2017 • 12:51:23pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Yeah aooarebtky so.

That is an amazing typo, BTW :-D

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KGxvi  May 24, 2017 • 12:52:39pm

re: #199 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Wanting equal rights is something people can be criticized for?

Please see: American History; 1865-1970.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:52:45pm

I have to admit. I’ve always been more or less liberal but I did want to try to understand conservative ideology but conservative ideology which I’ve never liked has grown more and more ugly. George W. Bush who I never was a fan can speak more candidly about racism and confronting our past than any sitting Republican office holder can. Now, maybe that’s in part because he’s out of office but that also speaks to where the GOP has gone. When i was really young, you had people like Bachmann, Steve King, and others on the local level. They existed in the GOP but they were a small potato. And gradually they started sending tehse folks to the House. Now they’re in the Senate and WH.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 12:53:06pm

re: #215 HappyWarrior

What I find sad is how many young conservatives are just as ignorant as their parents and grandparents. I once had a lot of hope for this generation of kids but I’m honestly not sure anymore.

That seems to be the whole point of their subculture. Normal people want their kids to be smarter than they are. Conservatives want them to be clones.

Gen Y and the Millennials should be smarter than older people because they never breathed in tetraethyl lead like we did, or ate lead paint chips, but so many of them are fools.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:53:26pm

re: #218 A wild WITHAK appeared!

That is an amazing typo, BTW :-D

I have the best and unintentional typos.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 12:53:52pm

re: #196 HappyWarrior

They’re entitled brats. I still remember discussing same sex marriage with one and she really pissed me off when she told one of my gay friends that he just wanted marriage equality for the legal privileges that marriage brings couples.

Actually, I’m pretty sure that all they (or any couple in love) want.

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gocart mozart  May 24, 2017 • 12:54:31pm
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Belafon  May 24, 2017 • 12:55:01pm

re: #190 ObserverArt

It’s good to hear that many LGF members are saying they are growing more liberal as they age.

I think a lot of people think you get more conservative as you get older. Maybe that was true years ago, but since Reagan I think maybe it has changed.

What I do not get is all the college age conservatives. The old cliche was kids in college were always “wet behind the ears” liberals because they haven’t learned anything yet and don’t have ‘stuff’ to protect, etc.

Maybe the fundamental Religious teachings has something to do with it.

I guess politics is all topsy-turvy these days.

My dad is getting more liberal as he gets older.

As for kids getting more conservative, I think what is happening is that the reactionary ones are getting more vocal because they’re not getting to be just rude to minorities or women. They have been energized by Trump’s election, but they’re just more out in the open.

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BeachDem  May 24, 2017 • 12:55:11pm

re: #196 HappyWarrior

They’re entitled brats. I still remember discussing same sex marriage with one and she really pissed me off when she told one of my gay friends that he just wanted marriage equality for the legal privileges that marriage brings couples.

And? Did she see a problem with his wanting the same rights that other people have?

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:56:16pm

re: #221 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That seems to be the whole point of their subculture. Normal people want their kids to be smarter than they are. Conservatives want them to be clones.

Gen Y and the Millennials should be smarter than older people because they never breathed in tetraethyl lead like we did, or ate lead paint chips, but so many of them are fools.

You know, I will say this, as much as I get frustrated that my brother doesn’t share my exact views, I’m also glad he’s carved out his own worldview through his own observations. Now, I think he’s wrong on some of this but at the same time, I appreciate that despite being surrounded by left liberals like me, our parents, my other brother and grandmother, he’s more or less found his own belief system. For all their shiting on liberals for being “intolerant”, I never ever see conservatives have any real tolerance for people of differing beliefs. And I mean real tolerance as in acknowledging they have a right to exist, as toxic as I find Milo, I don’t think he should be banned from entry to the US, ditto the Tea Party, these people on the other hand do want to ban thigns they don’t like.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 12:56:42pm

re: #210 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I think what got me mad though was the implication that he just wanted the benefits and not the love and marriage part. It just reeked of the “free stuff” that Republicans love to throw out at people, ya know?

Probably a distinct possibility that’s why Melania married the yam (pretty sure that’s why Marla married him…)

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MsJ  May 24, 2017 • 12:56:52pm

re: #35 Dave In Austin

So last thread, lizard ages were brought up. Just by conversation it seems that a lot of us are contemporaries.
I’m 62 and getting more liberal by the day.
Yous?

57. I think. Maybe a year or so one way or the other. I lost count after 50. Or stopped paying attention. 😎

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:57:23pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

Actually, I’m pretty sure that all they (or any couple in love) want.

Yeah that’s what I tried saying. Deaf ears adn all that. It’s especially funny when I hear someone like Newt Gingrich or Limbaugh calling gay people immoral. And it’s like really guys. I read about gay couples who were together when you two were shitting yourselves.

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calochortus  May 24, 2017 • 12:57:45pm

BBL.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 12:58:17pm

re: #226 BeachDem

And? Did she see a problem with his wanting the same rights that other people have?

Yeah but she insisted his desire for equal rights was wanting “special rights.” Because you know visiting your loved one in the hospital is such a special privilege to demand.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 1:00:02pm

re: #232 HappyWarrior

Yeah but she insisted his desire for equal rights was wanting “special rights.” Because you know visiting your loved one in the hospital is such a special privilege to demand.

Some people are just assholes, and all you can do is marginalize them.

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MsJ  May 24, 2017 • 1:01:05pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

Francis really is one of the best things to happen to Catholicism. Didn’t like Benedict much at all- never called him a Nazi but wasn’t a fan. I admired John Paul II more or less due to his experience in WWII and the Cold War.

I absolutely hated JP2. I watched him speak in Ethiopia about the evils of birth control when kids were literally starving to death hourly (in the 80s). I hated the church until Francis came to be.

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Belafon  May 24, 2017 • 1:01:21pm

re: #232 HappyWarrior

Yeah but she insisted his desire for equal rights was wanting “special rights.” Because you know visiting your loved one in the hospital is such a special privilege to demand.

I’m really floored by women who make those arguments. Next time, suggest that we go back to a time when women had to get permission from either their husband, or if they weren’t married their father, in order to get credit or a loan, you know, the 1970s. Then you can talk about how women really shouldn’t have gotten that privilege.

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MsJ  May 24, 2017 • 1:01:35pm

re: #57 Stanley Sea

Apparently Spicer wasn’t invited in & is pissed.

On the trip or to the Vatican?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 1:02:58pm

re: #235 Belafon

I’m really floored by women who make those arguments. Next time, suggest that we go back to a time when women had to get permission from either their husband, or if they weren’t married their father, in order to get credit or a loan, you know, the 1970s. Then you can talk about how women really shouldn’t have gotten that privilege.

And back then they were known as Mrs. [Husband’s full name].
It’s easy to forget how recent the bad old days were.

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 1:04:09pm

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BeachDem  May 24, 2017 • 1:04:33pm

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’d like to think that us olds here at LGF remember enough of the 50s and 60s (and in some cases the 40s) and then what happened in the Reagan and Bush years…and the truly dreadful shit happening right now.

There’s a legitimate discussion to be had for compromise between liberal and conservative. That is NOT what we have now…now we have dystopia on our doorstep the likes of which we’ve only had hints of before.

Let me add (as I continue to avoid working) that with all the ragging done about selfish/horrible Boomers, the old (like me) Dems I know are all really active, engaged, liberal and compassionate. Yes, there are a whole lot of old conservative assholes, but the old libs are still fighting the good fight.

We have one woman in our Dem women’s group who is 92 and is working this week to organize a Dem group in her retirement community. She is about as feisty and liberal as they come. When we did our women’s history month program last year, she waxed nostalgic about meeting Frances Perkins back in the day!

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 1:06:20pm

re: #236 MsJ

On the trip or to the Vatican?

Vatican. He was there, but not invited in.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 1:07:13pm

re: #240 Stanley Sea

Vatican. He was there, but not invited in.

Maybe he’s one of the three leakers to be fired with Trump gets back to America.

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Belafon  May 24, 2017 • 1:07:26pm

re: #238 Stanley Sea

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Dave In Austin  May 24, 2017 • 1:08:23pm

Holy shit….. I also luv me some Vincente Fox.

A Message for Donald Trump from Former Mexican President Vicente Fox

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 1:08:50pm

re: #242 Belafon

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Hecuba's daughter  May 24, 2017 • 1:09:38pm

re: #225 Belafon

My dad is getting more liberal as he gets older.

As for kids getting more conservative, I think what is happening is that the reactionary ones are getting more vocal because they’re not getting to be just rude to minorities or women. They have been energized by Trump’s election, but they’re just more out in the open.

My Michigan uncle was very Republican; he eventually moved to Illinois in 2002 at the age of 80 to live with my mother who was a Democrat. They disagreed on every topic including gay marriage; within a couple years he decided to move out to a nearby retirement community. By the time 2008 came around, he was supporting Obama and this past year, at the age of 94, he was ranting about how anyone could possible vote for Trump. In his case, he would still be Republican if it had remained the party of Rockefeller, John Linsdsay, and the other moderates who cared about people. As has often been said, he didn’t leave the party; the party left him.

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MsJ  May 24, 2017 • 1:09:54pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

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MsJ  May 24, 2017 • 1:11:20pm

re: #135 KGxvi

That’s probably true. Just the first few photos I saw made it appear that his Holiness was not particularly happy to be there. I’m sure Francis is a better person than I am, or would be in that situation, so I’m also sure that there will be at least a few photos of him smiling with Trump.

Except that video of Francis giving Trump the stink eye is real.

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danarchy  May 24, 2017 • 1:11:32pm

re: #210 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I think what got me mad though was the implication that he just wanted the benefits and not the love and marriage part. It just reeked of the “free stuff” that Republicans love to throw out at people, ya know?

Speaking of free stuff, one of the local right wing talkers(I hate listen sometimes) spent half his show talking about this whole foods receipt someone sent him last week apparently paid for with an EBT. It is amazing how much of a froth these guys can work themselves into.

howiecarrshow.com

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 1:13:28pm

re: #244 Stanley Sea

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 1:13:30pm

re: #248 danarchy

Speaking of free stuff, one of the local right wing talkers(I hate listen sometimes) spent half his show talking about this whole foods receipt someone sent him last week apparently paid for with an EBT. It is amazing how much of a froth these guys can work themselves into.

howiecarrshow.com

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As if there is an EBT benefit INANYFUNCKINGREALITY that would pay for even a fraction of that receipt.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 1:14:20pm

re: #248 danarchy

Speaking of free stuff, one of the local right wing talkers(I hate listen sometimes) spent half his show talking about this whole foods receipt someone sent him last week apparently paid for with an EBT. It is amazing how much of a froth these guys can work themselves into.

howiecarrshow.com

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If poor people eat poorly, people like that complain about having to pay for their medical bills. If they eat well, they complain about them using their money on good food. Wish they would just shut the hell up. You notice that these guys never ever complain about military waste which is much more bigger than this.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 1:14:52pm

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

As if there is an EBT benefit INANYFUNCKINGREALITY that would pay for even a fraction of that receipt.

Yeah but narratives and all that.

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allegro  May 24, 2017 • 1:14:54pm

re: #244 Stanley Sea

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 1:15:18pm

re: #252 HappyWarrior

Yeah but narratives and all that.

Some people really want to hate the poor. They’re sickos.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 1:15:28pm

re: #246 MsJ

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MsJ  May 24, 2017 • 1:15:28pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 1:16:03pm

re: #248 danarchy

bottom of the receipt says the EBT balance is $2194.40.

IN WHAT FUCKING REALITY??????????

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 24, 2017 • 1:16:13pm

re: #158 Interesting Times

Gen X’er here. To be more specific…

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  May 24, 2017 • 1:16:49pm

re: #248 danarchy

Speaking of free stuff, one of the local right wing talkers(I hate listen sometimes) spent half his show talking about this whole foods receipt someone sent him last week apparently paid for with an EBT. It is amazing how much of a froth these guys can work themselves into.

howiecarrshow.com

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Some of those prices look ludicrous (does Whole Foods do stuff in bulk or really large quantities?) but the food choices look healthy and reasonable, at least.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 1:17:23pm

re: #254 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Some people really want to hate the poor. They’re sickos.

They do hate the poor. It’s wanting them to suffer that is the thing. Saw my one SiL do something pretty nice though when we were out having lunch together. We had a leftover taco and she gave it to the first homeless guy she saw. I really like talking to her. I could just see how interested she was (she came over here when she was in high school from Peru) how interested she was in learning more about the Lincoln assassination. She had no idea about the complex plot Booth had planned to create chaos by assassinating Secretary Seward, VP Johnson, and General Grant.

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MsJ  May 24, 2017 • 1:17:34pm

re: #169 wrenchwench

Hey. Are you still around? I have a question for you.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 1:18:45pm

When I fed the poor, they called me a saint. When I asked why they were poor, they called me a Communist. I think a South American lefty priest said that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 1:20:38pm

imma doing some EBT benefits math…gonna take me a few minutes….

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MsJ  May 24, 2017 • 1:21:15pm

re: #240 Stanley Sea

Vatican. He was there, but not invited in.

Really trumpian thing to do.

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MsJ  May 24, 2017 • 1:21:58pm

re: #241 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Maybe he’s one of the three leakers to be fired with Trump gets back to America.

I read the other day he’s gone after this trip. I want sure if it was true. Maybe that was spot on.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 1:23:45pm

re: #265 MsJ

I read the other day he’s gone after this trip. I want sure if it was true. Maybe that was spot on.

If I were Spicer, I’d be leaking like a sieve.
A man can take only so much lying for a scoundrel like Trump. It’s not worth any salary.

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wrenchwench  May 24, 2017 • 1:24:10pm

re: #261 MsJ

Hey. Are you still around? I have a question for you.

In and out. That wasn’t the question you speak of, was it.

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BeachDem  May 24, 2017 • 1:24:18pm

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

bottom of the receipt says the EBT balance is $2194.40.

IN WHAT FUCKING REALITY??????????

Looking at the amount of food being bought, it looks like somebody buying for an institutional/group. (Who could eat 4 12-packs of tangerines before they rotted?)

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 1:26:01pm

re: #268 BeachDem

Looking at the amount of food being bought, it looks like somebody buying for an institutional/group. (Who could eat 4 12-packs of tangerines before they rotted?)

Context is a motherfucker isn’t it? Perhaps this is an individual buying for a home or something like that? Definitely does not seem to be an individual shopper.

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whitebeach  May 24, 2017 • 1:26:09pm

re: #35 Dave In Austin

So last thread, lizard ages were brought up. Just by conversation it seems that a lot of us are contemporaries.
I’m 62 and getting more liberal by the day.
Yous?

I try to avoid too many personal details, but I think I’ve mentioned already that I was born when Truman was president and the war was still going on.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 1:26:22pm

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

imma doing some EBT benefits math…gonna take me a few minutes….

OK, my informal napkin calculations indicate that the Whole Foods receipt shows an EBT benefit of at least $2765.13 (the balance left plus the amount spent on that receipt).

According to the USDA, that benefit would apply for a family of almost 19:

fns.usda.gov

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MsJ  May 24, 2017 • 1:26:52pm

re: #267 wrenchwench

In and out. That wasn’t the question you speak of, was it.

Do you have any experience with Sunseeker trikes? I’m thinking of getting one.

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danarchy  May 24, 2017 • 1:27:25pm

re: #259 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Some of those prices look ludicrous (does Whole Foods do stuff in bulk or really large quantities?) but the food choices look healthy and reasonable, at least.

No Whole foods doesn’t do bulk, their nickname is Whole Paycheck because they are that expensive.

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allegro  May 24, 2017 • 1:28:01pm

re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK, my informal napkin calculations indicate that the Whole Foods receipt shows an EBT benefit of at least $2765.13 (the balance left plus the amount spent on that receipt).

According to the USDA, that benefit would apply for a family of almost 19:

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fns.usda.gov

So the shoppers were the Duggars!

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 1:28:32pm

re: #274 allegro

So the shoppers were the Duggars!

We have a winner.

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TedStriker  May 24, 2017 • 1:28:34pm

re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK, my informal napkin calculations indicate that the Whole Foods receipt shows an EBT benefit of at least $2765.13 (the balance left plus the amount spent on that receipt).

According to the USDA, that benefit would apply for a family of almost 19:

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fns.usda.gov

So, IOW, the Duggars…

///half

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  May 24, 2017 • 1:28:47pm

re: #273 danarchy

I kinda figured that; never shopped there myself, and with those prices, likely never will…

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danarchy  May 24, 2017 • 1:29:12pm

re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK, my informal napkin calculations indicate that the Whole Foods receipt shows an EBT benefit of at least $2765.13 (the balance left plus the amount spent on that receipt).

According to the USDA, that benefit would apply for a family of almost 19:

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fns.usda.gov

In most states benefits accrue if unused. I know in Massachusetts a few years back they actually had to put a cap on the accrual because a small number of people were building big balances.

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Bubblehead II  May 24, 2017 • 1:30:22pm

re: #243 Dave In Austin

Holy shit….. I also luv me some Vincente Fox.

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Video

The man loves to troll tRump that’s for sure. And he does it with class.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 1:30:49pm

re: #277 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I kinda figured that; never shopped there myself, and with those prices, likely never will…

Trader Joes is better and doesn’t have a cheapskate Ayn Rand fanboy running the place.

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 1:31:06pm

Evil

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danarchy  May 24, 2017 • 1:32:13pm

re: #278 danarchy

In most states benefits accrue if unused. I know in Massachusetts a few years back they actually had to put a cap on the accrual because a small number of people were building big balances.

I don’t necessarily doubt the receipt is real, the thing is of the tens or hundreds of thousands of EBT recipients, people who abuse the system are a vanishing small percentage.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 1:32:29pm

re: #274 allegro

So the shoppers were the Duggars!

yep…exactly my thought when I was calculatin’

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 1:32:37pm

Annnnnnd with the troll

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MsJ  May 24, 2017 • 1:33:15pm

re: #267 wrenchwench

In and out. That wasn’t the question you speak of, was it.

FYY, this is the type that I’m looking at (similar to this one).

utahtrikes.com

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 1:33:36pm

I recently started reading food labels because my bad cholesterol is suddenly high, and have had to give up some tasty things, when I found they contain trans-fats.

Panera Mac & Cheese tastes fantastic, but a small container is 600 calories with 300 calories from fat, and 1.5g of trans fat. Prego Alfredo rotini has less calories, and a lower fat %, but has a gram of trans fat.

This is what I get for reading what’s in my food.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 1:34:34pm

re: #286 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I recently started reading food labels because my bad cholesterol is suddenly high, and have had to give up some tasty things, when I found they contain trans-fats.

Panera Mac & Cheese tastes fantastic, but a small container is 600 calories with 300 calories from fat, and 1.5g of trans fat. Prego Alfredo rotini has less calories, and a lower fat %, but has a gram of trans fat.

This is what I get for reading what’s in my food.

welcome to my food angst…

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 1:35:57pm

It’s out

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 1:36:11pm

re: #284 Stanley Sea

Annnnnnd with the troll

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There’s a tiny fragment of truth in what he says. Attitude can keep one locked into poverty, but lack of opportunity is the biggest problem.

Most people will not be as lucky as he was. He has no idea that luck played a role in his life, because he’s an arrogant asshole.

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 1:36:59pm
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MsJ  May 24, 2017 • 1:37:33pm

re: #289 Stanley Sea

Who had 23 million uninsured? They win the pool.

CBO and JCT estimate that enacting the American Health Care Act would reduce federal deficits by $119 billion over the coming decade and increase the number of people who are uninsured by 23 million in 2026 relative to current law.

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BeachDem  May 24, 2017 • 1:37:47pm

re: #281 Stanley Sea

Evil

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Ben Carson says poverty is a “state of mind”

Well, since Ben Carson is out of his mind…

Seriously, though—it’s all a piece of this idiotic administration—like asshole Tom Price (another idiotic doctor) saying God is the answer to the opioid problem.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 1:37:58pm

re: #281 Stanley Sea

Evil

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Uh huh.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 1:38:12pm

re: #282 danarchy

I don’t necessarily doubt the receipt is real, the thing is of the tens or hundreds of thousands of EBT recipients, people who abuse the system are a vanishing small percentage.

Exactly.

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freetoken  May 24, 2017 • 1:38:32pm

re: #288 nines09

Damn find photoshopping there. I bet that could be passed around the internet and millions would believe it.

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lawhawk  May 24, 2017 • 1:38:33pm

If you picked 23 million more uninsured as a result of Trumpcare v.2, you won - which means we all lose.

These fuckers can’t get around the fact that their plan means more people are uncovered, and more costs are shifted on to those who can’t afford them so that the rich get their fucking tax cuts.

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whitebeach  May 24, 2017 • 1:38:36pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

I’m so old my first modem was the kind that had rubber cups you had to put a telephone handset into. 300 baud. You could see the characters appear on screen one by one.

Hah! Yes!! The great thing was I could proofread text as it was going out over the modem!

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 1:39:16pm

re: #293 BeachDem

Well, since Ben Carson is out of his mind…

Seriously, though—it’s all a piece of this idiotic administration—like asshole Tom Price (another idiotic doctor) saying God is the answer to the opioid problem.

Price seriously said that? And the man’s a fucking doctor?

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 1:39:57pm

It can go to the senate

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Bubblehead II  May 24, 2017 • 1:40:05pm

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

bottom of the receipt says the EBT balance is $2194.40.

IN WHAT FUCKING REALITY??????????

It’s a fake. I have been behind people who have used EBT cards. They get the itemized receipt. The store keeps a much smaller receipt that is not itemized.

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Belafon  May 24, 2017 • 1:40:21pm

re: #291 Stanley Sea

“It’s not about taking care of people, it’s about getting them to where they don’t need care.”

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Charles Johnson  May 24, 2017 • 1:40:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 1:41:17pm

re: #289 Stanley Sea

It’s out
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MsJ  May 24, 2017 • 1:41:19pm

re: #302 Belafon

“It’s not about taking care of people, it’s about getting them to where they don’t need care.”

Well I guess when you’re dead you don’t need care any longer.

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freetoken  May 24, 2017 • 1:41:27pm

re: #299 HappyWarrior

Boringly broken record here… but our society really is in the midst of a worldview collapse. The Price/Carson/Trump idiotic statements are direct examples of people desperately trying to reify some belief in “God” in the face of atheistic (or at least agnostic) modernity.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 1:41:49pm

re: #300 Stanley Sea

It can go to the senate

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 1:42:19pm

re: #306 freetoken

Boringly broken record here… but our society really is in the midst of a worldview collapse. The Price/Carson/Trump idiotic statements are direct examples of people desperately trying to reify some belief in “God” in the face of atheistic (or at least agnostic) modernity.

True though I think you can still believe in the power of God and still think we on Earth should be able to help those who need it.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 1:42:30pm

re: #306 freetoken

Boringly broken record here… but our society really is in the midst of a worldview collapse. The Price/Carson/Trump idiotic statements are direct examples of people desperately trying to reify some belief in “God” in the face of atheistic (or at least agnostic) modernity.

If only they’d get on with the collapse, instead of becoming more insular and delusional.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 1:42:47pm

re: #308 HappyWarrior

True though I think you can still believe in the power of God and still think we on Earth should be able to help those who need it.

Conservative-God.

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Belafon  May 24, 2017 • 1:42:59pm

re: #309 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

If only they’d get on with the collapse, instead of becoming more insular and delusional.

If we can get them out of power, they can go collapse in the corner.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 1:44:16pm

re: #310 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Conservative-God.

Not even conservative God, conservative Protestant Evangelical God who sounds like a real joy to be around.

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 1:44:20pm

Dang it, who’s that guy who tweets health insurance who used to work with Obama admin???

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Charles Johnson  May 24, 2017 • 1:44:25pm
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covfefe  May 24, 2017 • 1:44:44pm

Why would anyone bother going to war with us? Our government will kill far more Americans than any amount of bombs could. And these other countries wouldn’t have to spend a dime, or sacrifice a single life.

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BeachDem  May 24, 2017 • 1:44:54pm

re: #299 HappyWarrior

Price seriously said that? And the man’s a fucking doctor?

Asked about drug treatment options, Price touted faith-based programs while showing less support for medication-assisted programs in which addicts are weaned off heroin with other opioids like Suboxone and methadone.

“If we’re just substituting one opioid for another, we’re not moving the dial much,” he said. “Folks need to be cured so they can be productive members of society and realize their dreams.”

wvgazettemail.com

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lawhawk  May 24, 2017 • 1:44:58pm

Hmmm… I had the over/under at 22.5 million. What do I win.

The craven fuckers in the GOP will ignore this? You betcha. How could they not?

Or, will they hope Trump screws something else up to take the heat off their continuing failure to do basic math.

Every iteration of Trumpcare is as bad or worse than Obamacare. They cannot provide equivalent coverage to the equivalent number of people. Each GOP version means more people lose coverage, the coverage they have is worse, and the costs are shifted on to those least able to afford them.

That’s exactly what the GOP wants - to get health care off the federal/state/local books, but it means that a lot more people end up dead. And for the GOP that too isn’t a bad thing. That’s a feature, not a bug.

It’s also a recurring feature that the Trumpcare serves more as a tax scheme than a health care program, because none of the GOP seems to know how insurance actually works, let alone health insurance.

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MsJ  May 24, 2017 • 1:45:51pm

Life is so confusing these days.

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lawhawk  May 24, 2017 • 1:46:35pm

The JCT calculates that scrapping the ACA taxes would cost $662 billion over a decade (that’s lost revenues). That includes the net investment income tax repeal, which would cost $172 billion over 10 years. Guess who gets that bonus money? Yeah, high income earners (aka millionaires like Trump).

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 1:47:21pm

No shit sherlock

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ipsos  May 24, 2017 • 1:47:28pm

I am 307 years old.

G9eS+3nlPd+f25bTFq3G2ogdrEuaoHsQ

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SteelPH  May 24, 2017 • 1:47:33pm

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 1:48:44pm

re: #316 BeachDem

Asked about drug treatment options, Price touted faith-based programs while showing less support for medication-assisted programs in which addicts are weaned off heroin with other opioids like Suboxone and methadone.

“If we’re just substituting one opioid for another, we’re not moving the dial much,” he said. “Folks need to be cured so they can be productive members of society and realize their dreams.”

wvgazettemail.com

You have no idea how much that attitude just pisses me off. It’s a very personal reason relating to my family that I’d rather not air out for the entire world to see but Jesus f-ing Christ.

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BlueGrl21  May 24, 2017 • 1:48:52pm

re: #35 Dave In Austin

So last thread, lizard ages were brought up. Just by conversation it seems that a lot of us are contemporaries.
I’m 62 and getting more liberal by the day.
Yous?

I’m 44, going on 75 one minute and 7 the next.

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KGxvi  May 24, 2017 • 1:49:45pm

re: #316 BeachDem

Asked about drug treatment options, Price touted faith-based programs while showing less support for medication-assisted programs in which addicts are weaned off heroin with other opioids like Suboxone and methadone.

“If we’re just substituting one opioid for another, we’re not moving the dial much,” he said. “Folks need to be cured so they can be productive members of society and realize their dreams.”

wvgazettemail.com

Are 12 Step programs considered faith-based? I know there’s the whole “higher power” thing, but I don’t know what that actually means. I do know quite a few people that have worked the steps over the years and most (if not all) have come through clean.

I honestly don’t know a lot about detox programs, but I’m guessing there’s probably a combination of medication and counseling involved in any good rehab program.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 1:49:47pm

re: #318 MsJ

Life is so confusing these days.

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She does know the bomber can’t be craving publicity right now right? I really wish Coulter would go back whatever rock she crawled under when she decided to become what she has.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 1:51:02pm

re: #325 KGxvi

Are 12 Step programs considered faith-based? I know there’s the whole “higher power” thing, but I don’t know what that actually means. I do know quite a few people that have worked the steps over the years and most (if not all) have come through clean.

I honestly don’t know a lot about detox programs, but I’m guessing there’s probably a combination of medication and counseling involved in any good rehab program.

I’ve got second hand experience with 12 step programs. Faith? MAybe but not necessarily religious faith but it seems to me that ti depends who is running the meetings. Someone like Price easily could turn a big book meeting into a big,g big book meeting.

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Bubblehead II  May 24, 2017 • 1:51:12pm

re: #314 Charles Johnson

The man is a walking/talking national security breach. Those men and women are my shipmates and he’s putting them at risk.

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Shiplord Kirel  May 24, 2017 • 1:51:14pm

re: #185 Shiplord Kirelre: #288 nines09

And Jezebel/Callista is not even included. I can just hear the Pope’s first meeting with her.
“You know, they used to stone women like you, but our boss put a stop to that.”

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Dave In Austin  May 24, 2017 • 1:51:43pm

re: #323 HappyWarrior

You have no idea how much that attitude just pisses me off. It’s a very personal reason relating to my family that I’d rather not air out for the entire world to see but Jesus f-ing Christ.

He has no idea how addiction works…. We are so fucked. At least for the time being.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 24, 2017 • 1:52:09pm

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

Congratulations. My wife and I are celebrating 9 years today. :)

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 1:52:20pm
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b.d.  May 24, 2017 • 1:52:35pm

So now the wingnuts love the CBO again…

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KGxvi  May 24, 2017 • 1:52:52pm

re: #327 HappyWarrior

I’ve got second hand experience with 12 step programs. Faith? MAybe but not necessarily religious faith but it seems to me that ti depends who is running the meetings. Someone like Price easily could turn a big book meeting into a big,g big book meeting.

Yeah, I’ve heard that too, know someone in the program that lived most of their life in the greater LA area and worked the steps, then moved to southern Missouri, said the meetings there were quite different.

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ObserverArt  May 24, 2017 • 1:53:35pm

re: #315 GlutenFreeJesus

Why would anyone bother going to war with us? Our government will kill far more Americans than any amount of bombs could. And these other countries wouldn’t have to spend a dime, or sacrifice a single life.

I think you just found the Putin Make Russia Great Again playbook.

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Kragar  May 24, 2017 • 1:53:36pm
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Dave In Austin  May 24, 2017 • 1:55:26pm

re: #327 HappyWarrior

I have 1st hand experience having sobered up in AA. I haven’t had a drink since 93.

12 step programs are not faith based. While the 3rd step references a “Power Greater than Yourself”, one can make of that what they want.

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KGxvi  May 24, 2017 • 1:56:10pm

re: #336 Kragar

37% approval rating. Striking distance of the crazification factor. This is really in play, isn’t it?

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Belafon  May 24, 2017 • 1:56:10pm

re: #333 b.d.

So now the wingnuts love the CBO again…

They would love you too if you say to them “tax cut.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 1:56:22pm

re: #316 BeachDem

Asked about drug treatment options, Price touted faith-based programs while showing less support for medication-assisted programs in which addicts are weaned off heroin with other opioids like Suboxone and methadone.

“If we’re just substituting one opioid for another, we’re not moving the dial much,” he said. “Folks need to be cured so they can be productive members of society and realize their dreams.”

wvgazettemail.com

I want to point out that the reporter, Eric Eyre, won the Pulitzer for Investigative Reporting for his series on how the pharmaceutical companies (and others) are behind the opioid epidemic in WVa and elsewhere.

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whitebeach  May 24, 2017 • 1:56:55pm

re: #219 KGxvi

Please see: American History; 1865-1970 1492-present.

FTFY.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 1:58:13pm

re: #337 Dave In Austin

I have 1st hand experience having sobered up in AA. I haven’t had a drink since 93.

12 step programs are not faith based. While the 3rd step references a “Power Greater than Yourself”, one can make of that what they want.

My bipolar alcoholic ex had Jiminy Cricket as her higher power.

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BeachDem  May 24, 2017 • 1:58:20pm

re: #325 KGxvi

Are 12 Step programs considered faith-based? I know there’s the whole “higher power” thing, but I don’t know what that actually means. I do know quite a few people that have worked the steps over the years and most (if not all) have come through clean.

I honestly don’t know a lot about detox programs, but I’m guessing there’s probably a combination of medication and counseling involved in any good rehab program.

Knowing how batshit Price and all the rest of the yam’s posse is, he’s probably talking about the scientology fraud, narcanon or something similar.

Followup on his comments—

The secretary’s comments directly oppose literature from the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Administration, a division of HHS. “The goal of medication-assisted treatment is to recover from addiction,” reads “Medication-Assisted Treatment for Opioid Addiction: Facts for Families and Friends.” The literature goes on: “It does NOT replace one addictive drug with another. It provides a safe, controlled level of medication to overcome the use of a problem opioid.”

motherjones.com

and

medication-assisted treatment (MAT) programs Price rejects are the “gold standard” for overcoming opioid addiction:
Considered by many experts to be the “gold standard” for overcoming opioid addiction, MAT uses prescription medications like buprenorphine or methadone to reduce cravings, allowing patients to work on the underlying issues leading to their substance use, without the constant pressure of withdrawal.

businessinsider.com

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Barefoot Grin  May 24, 2017 • 1:58:25pm

re: #321 ipsos

I am 307 years old.

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Do you have enormous wings?

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wrenchwench  May 24, 2017 • 1:58:36pm

re: #272 MsJ

Do you have any experience with Sunseeker trikes? I’m thinking of getting one.

re: #285 MsJ

FYY, this is the type that I’m looking at (similar to this one).

utahtrikes.com

Don’t know if I’ve sold or worked on those specifically, but it looks good. The important differences in recumbents (2 wheel or 3 wheel) are high-handlebar or low, and long-wheelbase or short. The example trike is low-handlebar, short-wheelbase. Next thing is a test-ride, if possible. Some bike shops have them, most don’t.

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Cheechako  May 24, 2017 • 1:58:44pm

re: #43 The Vicious Babushka

Who are the oldest & the youngest Lizards?

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 1:58:53pm

re: #344 Barefoot Grin

Do you have enormous wings?

The best wings, you’re going to love them.

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austin_blue  May 24, 2017 • 1:59:18pm

re: #211 Dave In Austin

You wanna grab some lunch tomorrow?

Sure! Any place you like?

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Dave In Austin  May 24, 2017 • 1:59:40pm

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

Remember when we first went into Iraq and LOTs of people were addicted to Tranqs (lorazapam as I recall). They were begging our troops for pills?

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Kragar  May 24, 2017 • 2:00:18pm
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bratwurst  May 24, 2017 • 2:00:21pm
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MsJ  May 24, 2017 • 2:01:46pm

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

I want to point out that the reporter, Eric Eyre, won the Pulitzer for Investigative Reporting for his series on how the pharmaceutical companies (and others) are beind the opioid epidemic in WVa and elsewhere.

That was a fabulous article. Truly sad. Devastating even. But that Pulitzer was earned.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 2:03:12pm

re: #325 KGxvi

Are 12 Step programs considered faith-based? I know there’s the whole “higher power” thing, but I don’t know what that actually means. I do know quite a few people that have worked the steps over the years and most (if not all) have come through clean.

I honestly don’t know a lot about detox programs, but I’m guessing there’s probably a combination of medication and counseling involved in any good rehab program.

They might have started as faith-based, but I know a lot of people in 12-step programs who are non-believers and manage to keep their addictions under control for much better reasons than god. It’s a constant fight/struggle, but it’s more actual physical support, and the need/want to be free than any supposed higher power.

Really hard to explain, but essentially it’s that hitting rock bottom thing and where do you want to go from there: just give up or pull yourself out.

For some people, god/higher power is what works, for a lot of others it’s just hard work and determination.

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freetoken  May 24, 2017 • 2:03:27pm

re: #350 Kragar

Hannity has been drawing over 3 million viewers on some nights. That’s a lot of eyes for some of those advertisers.

Boycotts can work. But for a large company whose products are often bought by the 50+y.o. market, Hannity is useful for them, regardless of what he says.

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stpaulbear  May 24, 2017 • 2:04:17pm

re: #289 Stanley Sea

It’s out

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freetoken  May 24, 2017 • 2:04:41pm

re: #351 bratwurst

A good journalist would dig into what the “119 billion” really means, how viable of a number that is, and what a deficit really means.

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EPR-radar  May 24, 2017 • 2:05:35pm

re: #302 Belafon

“It’s not about taking care of people, it’s about getting them to where they don’t need care.”

I.e., dead.

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BeachDem  May 24, 2017 • 2:06:05pm

re: #346 Cheechako

I’m LXXIV

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 24, 2017 • 2:06:22pm

re: #273 danarchy

No Whole foods doesn’t do bulk, their nickname is Whole Paycheck because they are that expensive.

“Bulk” at Whole Foods refers to items bought not in a pre-sized container. (They do flours, grains, dried beans, trail mix, etc., as well as grinding peanut butter, etc. in the store, bulk spices, various oils, the works.)

They are expensive. They’re also the place I can reliably find certain types of food and at very good quality, so… every week sees two grocery trips. One to Whole Foods (done for today) and one to Safeway (for everything else, still to be done).

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 2:07:02pm

re: #351 bratwurst

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Fuck off Chris seriously. These are people’s lives. Hey why not get rid of hospitals? We’ll save money. While we’re at it, elt’s get rid of the fire department and police too!

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MsJ  May 24, 2017 • 2:07:13pm

re: #345 wrenchwench

Don’t know if I’ve sold or worked on those specifically, but it looks good. The important differences in recumbents (2 wheel or 3 wheel) are high-handlebar or low, and long-wheelbase or short. The example trike is low-handlebar, short-wheelbase. Next thing is a test-ride, if possible. Some bike shops have them, most don’t.

I bought a two wheel recumbent that I cannot learn to ride (selling it now). I need training wheels. Hubby fell off of it the other day. So, while my engineer husband and I were discussing making training wheels I looked at these guys instead.

I rode a delta style (two rear wheels) trike by this company (so comfy!) And a similar recumbent tadpole (two wheels front) and liked the tadpole better. It’s really responsive. But the seat in the Sunseeker is better than any of the others. And I’m not lying down to peddle.

Thanks for looking!!!

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Hecuba's daughter  May 24, 2017 • 2:07:18pm

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

I want to point out that the reporter, Eric Eyre, won the Pulitzer for Investigative Reporting for his series on how the pharmaceutical companies (and others) are beind the opioid epidemic in WVa and elsewhere.

I’ve mentioned previously on this site — the pharmaceutical companies have a lot to answer for; it’s unfortunate that, apparently, the corporate CEO’s and their employees who promote these drugs cannot be held responsible for the crimes they have committed and are continuing to commit against the people of this country.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 24, 2017 • 2:07:24pm

You’ve heard of ‘Rock out with your cock out’?

Well, today Rango hung out with his tongue out….

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freetoken  May 24, 2017 • 2:08:30pm

The big question is whether, in this world where nearly everything is rationed by price, we want to as a nation make health care available to as many of our people as possible, or not.

That’s the question.

Trump’s answer is: No.

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wrenchwench  May 24, 2017 • 2:09:45pm
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MsJ  May 24, 2017 • 2:10:06pm

re: #354 freetoken

Hannity has been drawing over 3 million viewers on some nights. That’s a lot of eyes for some of those advertisers.

Boycotts can work. But for a large company whose products are often bought by the 50+y.o. market, Hannity is useful for them, regardless of what he says.

Yup. Agree 100%.

Benz maybe not so much. But the drug companies? Hannity could tell people to kill and eat kids and they won’t stop advertising.

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Shiplord Kirel  May 24, 2017 • 2:11:39pm
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KGxvi  May 24, 2017 • 2:11:42pm

re: #336 Kragar

I’m looking at the numbers on that poll, the only category where Trump has an approval rating over 50% (besides Republican) is white/no college which comes in at 52%. Basically, to approve of Trump you have to be a Republican (84%) white male (47%) over the age of 50 (42%) with no college education (52%).

This is another interesting one: are you optimistic or pessimistic with Trump as president? 45% optimistic, 52% pessimistic. Again, to be optimistic, you need to be a Republican (88%), white male (55%) over the age of 50 (49%) with no college education (59%).

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ObserverArt  May 24, 2017 • 2:12:15pm

re: #365 wrenchwench

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freetoken  May 24, 2017 • 2:12:56pm

re: #366 MsJ

Yup. Agree 100%.

Benz maybe not so much. But the drug companies? Hannity could tell people to kill and eat kids and they won’t stop advertising.

A few years ago there was a study (the seriousness of which I have no idea) that indicates the average MB buyer was 55 years old. It was not the brand with the oldest demographics, but it was high on the list.

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wrenchwench  May 24, 2017 • 2:13:56pm

re: #369 ObserverArt

Cool kitteh…with the raccoon tail.

One of my cats has a great striped tail like that. It looks like he stole it from my other cat, who has about an inch of tail.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 2:13:58pm

re: #368 KGxvi

I’m looking at the numbers on that poll, the only category where Trump has an approval rating over 50% (besides Republican) is white/no college which comes in at 52%. Basically, to approve of Trump you have to be a Republican (84%) white male (47%) over the age of 50 (42%) with no college education (52%).

This is another interesting one: are you optimistic or pessimistic with Trump as president? 45% optimistic, 52% pessimistic. Again, to be optimistic, you need to be a Republican (88%), white male (55%) over the age of 50 (49%) with no college education (59%).

Interestingly except for the Republican part, that’s my Dad. White, over 50, and no college education. Thankfully he hates Trump.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 24, 2017 • 2:15:35pm

re: #364 freetoken

The big question is whether, in this world where nearly everything is rationed by price, we want to as a nation make health care available to as many of our people as possible, or not.

That’s the question.

Trump’s answer is: No.

No — it’s not Trump. It’s the entire Republican party. After all, it was the Ryan plan, not a plan created by the Trump team. They are going to kill millions of people and they DON’T CARE.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 24, 2017 • 2:16:57pm

re: #373 Hecuba’s daughter

No — it’s not Trump. It’s the entire Republican party. After all, it was the Ryan plan, not a plan created by the Trump team. They are going to kill millions of people and they DON’T CARE.

Part of the problem is there are a whole bunch of people who fall in the group of people who will die because of this but don’t realize it and so are cheering the whole thing on.

And some of that is willful ignorance.

I don’t have a solution but I do have a prescription I have to go pick up and another round of grocery shopping to do.

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MsJ  May 24, 2017 • 2:17:06pm

re: #370 freetoken

A few years ago there was a study (the seriousness of which I have no idea) that indicates the average MB buyer was 55 years old. It was not the brand with the oldest demographics, but it was high on the list.

Personally, I think Benz is junk. I drove one and was less than impressed. I got a BMW and have only had BMW’s ever since. I was happy to see BMW wasn’t on their list. I’d have called them in a heartbeat. I call companies where I have weight. Having bought five of their vehicles gives me weight. Like canceling the NYT. They tend to listen more when they have money on the line.

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dangerman  May 24, 2017 • 2:22:15pm

re: #337 Dave In Austin

I have 1st hand experience having sobered up in AA. I haven’t had a drink since 93.

12 step programs are not faith based. While the 3rd step references a “Power Greater than Yourself”, one can make of that what they want.

and when did you turn 93?

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BeachDem  May 24, 2017 • 2:22:27pm

re: #362 Hecuba’s daughter

I’ve mentioned previously on this site — the pharmaceutical companies have a lot to answer for; it’s unfortunate that, apparently, the corporate CEO’s and their employees who promote these drugs cannot be held responsible for the crimes they have committed and are continuing to commit against the people of this country.

Not specifically related to opioids, but startling, nonetheless (from last year)

…the pharmaceutical industry is pouring billions into new TV and print campaigns. Ad spending soared more than 60 percent in the last four years, hitting $5.2 billion last year.

…Prescription drugs accounted for nearly 17 percent of total health care spending in 2015, up from about 7 percent in the 1990s

statnews.com

The whole article is mind-blowing. I have kept notes on direct-to-consumer drug advertising over the years, and it is absolutely unfathomable. And remember, the US and New Zealand are the only two countries in the world that allow it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 2:22:45pm
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petesh  May 24, 2017 • 2:25:14pm

re: #270 whitebeach

I try to avoid too many personal details, but I think I’ve mentioned already that I was born when Truman was president and the war was still going on.

Puts you a little ahead of me. Well, which war? World, Cold or Korean? Anyway, I am 68. So far.

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Dave In Austin  May 24, 2017 • 2:25:35pm

re: #348 austin_blue

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Dave In Austin  May 24, 2017 • 2:27:27pm

re: #380 Dave In Austin

Hmmm no phone numbers. You on Twitter?

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KGxvi  May 24, 2017 • 2:28:01pm

re: #372 HappyWarrior

Interestingly except for the Republican part, that’s my Dad. White, over 50, and no college education. Thankfully he hates Trump.

“Republican” really is the indicator. Pretty much every other break down shows terrible numbers for Trump this early in a first term.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 2:29:06pm

re: #380 Dave In Austin

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whitebeach  May 24, 2017 • 2:30:39pm

re: #379 petesh

Puts you a little ahead of me. Well, which war? World, Cold or Korean? Anyway, I am 68. So far.

I was around for Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Not in those exact localities, thankfully. But I won’t call you “Junior,” tempting as it is.

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thedopefishlives  May 24, 2017 • 2:31:31pm

Evening Lizardim. What fresh hell awaits me tonight?

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 2:32:27pm

re: #381 Dave In Austin

Hmmm no phone numbers. You on Twitter?

Do something like 4 4 4 dash 3 4 dash

Think that will get by Charles.

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austin_blue  May 24, 2017 • 2:32:37pm

re: #380 Dave In Austin

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austin_blue  May 24, 2017 • 2:33:30pm

re: #381 Dave In Austin

Hmmm no phone numbers. You on Twitter?

You still have the phone that ends in 2913?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 2:33:52pm

re: #381 Dave In Austin

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Hmmm no phone numbers. You on Twitter?

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 2:34:22pm

re: #382 KGxvi

“Republican” really is the indicator. Pretty much every other break down shows terrible numbers for Trump this early in a first term.

Yep true that.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  May 24, 2017 • 2:34:25pm

I have a creeping suspicion that Price isn’t pushing 12-step.

It’s likely “faith-based” is going to mean in a church, with an emphasis on prayer. I suspect this because it’s another method of funneling government cash to religious institutions, which is pretty damn high on the GOP agenda.

It’s not just about Marxist power dynamics and the means of production; this is about a post-Marxist grasping of the cultural narrative, where you render people compliant and participant in their own control. Meiji-Showa Japan, as opposed to Industrial Revolution Europe.

Cutting out secular social institutions makes people desperate and vulnerable; specifically channeling them to get help at religious institutions positions them to experience thought reform. And since they believe the soul is the only important part of a person, it’s not a mark in the “loss” column if people keep suffering or die.

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scottslemmons  May 24, 2017 • 2:36:24pm

I’m 48, which I’m starting to suspect is 48 years too long. :/

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  May 24, 2017 • 2:39:02pm

I’m a 53 year old child. Don’t let my hat, anachronisms and white hair fool you, I’m the youngest nurse on the floor. Some of the kids on my floor are burned out by the time they get off orientation, so I make it a point to really glide around the unit, no matter how tired or sore I am to make the atmosphere better. Everybody is under my care in many different ways.

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wrenchwench  May 24, 2017 • 2:39:33pm

re: #385 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim. What fresh hell awaits me tonight?

All the Hell has gone stale. Too late for the fresh stuff. You want some Purgatory? Picked this morning!

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whitebeach  May 24, 2017 • 2:40:04pm

re: #383 Backwoods_Sleuth

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But there have to be simple ways around that, with apologies to Charles. For example, write seven sentences with one spelled-out number in each. (Or maybe just spell out the numbers period.) Or come up with an anagram using the letters associated with the numbers on a standard phone keypad.

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 2:40:39pm
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thedopefishlives  May 24, 2017 • 2:41:00pm

re: #396 Stanley Sea

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 2:41:49pm

re: #395 whitebeach

But there have to be simple ways around that, with apologies to Charles. For example, write seven sentences with one spelled-out number in each. (Or maybe just spell out the numbers period.) Or come up with an anagram using the letters associated with the numbers on a standard phone keypad.

oh, it was austin dave’s number that didn’t come through.
I had the work around for the response.

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 2:41:55pm

re: #397 thedopefishlives

So does that mean the Wikipedia edits will be reverted now?

lol

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freetoken  May 24, 2017 • 2:42:01pm

re: #396 Stanley Sea

Sunlight works.

Kills vampires on contact.

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thedopefishlives  May 24, 2017 • 2:42:32pm

re: #399 Stanley Sea

lol

Good, I made someone laugh today. Maybe that’ll make up for the rest of the day being a colossal cock-up.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  May 24, 2017 • 2:45:46pm

re: #393 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

The kids (my co-workers) love my rendition of “Simon Smith and the Amazing Dancing Bear”. I type in the rhythm of the piano from the song.

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covfefe  May 24, 2017 • 2:46:42pm

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whitebeach  May 24, 2017 • 2:46:54pm

re: #394 wrenchwench

All the Hell has gone stale. Too late for the fresh stuff. You want some Purgatory? Picked this morning!

Sounds heavenly.

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 2:49:44pm

We, the on our way to olds are going to get creamed.

Go to the article to see better.

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Dave In Austin  May 24, 2017 • 2:52:18pm

re: #389 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #389 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 24, 2017 • 2:53:41pm

re: #405 Stanley Sea

We, the on our way to olds are going to get creamed.

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BeachDem  May 24, 2017 • 2:53:49pm

re: #406 Dave In Austin

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 2:54:19pm

re: #406 Dave In Austin

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Dave In Austin  May 24, 2017 • 2:54:28pm

re: #388 austin_blue

You got it. How about Reds Back Porch. You set the time.

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 2:55:31pm

Reporters & WH staff never get to go home early.

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 2:56:07pm

re: #411 Stanley Sea

And I’m out of my free articles for the month.

#SAD

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gocart mozart  May 24, 2017 • 3:01:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 3:03:06pm

bumpy night…

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petesh  May 24, 2017 • 3:03:21pm

re: #384 whitebeach

I was around for Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Not in those exact localities, thankfully. But I won’t call you “Junior,” tempting as it is.

I’m sure you were most upset, sir.

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gocart mozart  May 24, 2017 • 3:03:44pm
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MsJ  May 24, 2017 • 3:05:02pm

I cannot wait until the Georgia election is over. I get no less than a dozen emails a day asking for money for Ossoff. Every single day. Day. After. Day.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 3:05:15pm

re: #416 gocart mozart

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looks like Colbert at the right…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 3:06:17pm

and I’m sorry…Melania and Ivanka look like they are attending a vampire wedding…

420
gocart mozart  May 24, 2017 • 3:06:20pm

re: #418 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s Monsignor Colbert to you.

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gocart mozart  May 24, 2017 • 3:06:36pm
422
BeachDem  May 24, 2017 • 3:07:38pm

re: #417 MsJ

I cannot wait until the Georgia election is over. I get no less than a dozen emails a day asking for money for Ossoff. Every single day. Day. After. Day.

Me too—and they’re all DOOM!! GLOOM!! HORRORS!! DCCC-type asks.

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MsJ  May 24, 2017 • 3:10:10pm

re: #422 BeachDem

Me too—and they’re all DOOM!! GLOOM!! HORRORS!! DCCC-type asks.

And here’s up by 7%. The same DOOM! PANICING! bullshit we every election.

That had me as tired as Trump.

424
Major Tom  May 24, 2017 • 3:10:56pm

5JV08/AqXCAJyL08kqpyBk+IpiRf9V81YkL7I/KUBeOwONmuBO45XRieM9swYxtscrou3CJb39qdijJuYz2r2sAIkdE503h6ELFkrNsCZD7WvsbLmr0/Lg==

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 3:11:50pm
426
ObserverArt  May 24, 2017 • 3:12:45pm

re: #412 Stanley Sea

And I’m out of my free articles for the month.

#SAD

Try a “private” tab. Sometimes that works.

427
Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 3:13:36pm

sorry, I will not apologize for memes like this.

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KGxvi  May 24, 2017 • 3:14:07pm

re: #412 Stanley Sea

And I’m out of my free articles for the month.

#SAD

I keep thinking that I need to spring for a digital subscription to at least one paper. Haven’t pulled the trigger yet, but it’s tempting. Doesn’t seem that expensive, all things considered.

429
stpaulbear  May 24, 2017 • 3:14:26pm

re: #412 Stanley Sea

And I’m out of my free articles for the month.

#SAD

Are you willing to delete your cookies? That’ll start your count over.

430
Skip Intro  May 24, 2017 • 3:15:02pm

re: #396 Stanley Sea

With Trump, there’s always someone worse.

431
Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 3:15:11pm

really…

432
whitebeach  May 24, 2017 • 3:15:37pm

re: #415 petesh

I’m sure you were most upset, sir.

I’m told that I was, but it had something to do with milk.

BTW, the “sir” is beautifully played.

433
Skip Intro  May 24, 2017 • 3:16:33pm

re: #419 Backwoods_Sleuth

and I’m sorry…Melania and Ivanka look like they are attending a vampire wedding…

The only reason Ivanka was there that I can think of is she was checking out the Big Three religions to see which one would give her the best deal if she converted.

434
Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 3:17:00pm
435
KGxvi  May 24, 2017 • 3:18:18pm

re: #431 Backwoods_Sleuth

really…

[Embedded content]

That seems like a very clunky way of saying “they hate us for our freedoms.” I mean, if I squint hard enough, and tilt my head just so, I can kind of see what they meant. I think?

436
stpaulbear  May 24, 2017 • 3:18:21pm

re: #428 KGxvi

I keep thinking that I need to spring for a digital subscription to at least one paper. Haven’t pulled the trigger yet, but it’s tempting. Doesn’t seem that expensive, all things considered.

On Facebook, the WaPo was offering a 50% discount to new subscribers. I didn’t see the notice until after I’d sprung for a full price subscription. I’d definitely go with the WaPo over the NYT. It is expensive but your also supporting the cost of their reporting.

437
gocart mozart  May 24, 2017 • 3:19:29pm

re: #431 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Nyet  May 24, 2017 • 3:20:33pm

re: #411 Stanley Sea

The American media is great.

439
Maddies Mom  May 24, 2017 • 3:21:38pm

re: #35 Dave In Austin

So last thread, lizard ages were brought up. Just by conversation it seems that a lot of us are contemporaries.
I’m 62 and getting more liberal by the day.
Yous?

I’m (a quite youthful!!!!!) 58-years-old…. TODAY!!!!!!!

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thedopefishlives  May 24, 2017 • 3:21:56pm

re: #439 Maddies Mom

I’m (a quite youthful!!!!!) 58-years-old…. TODAY!!!!!!!

Many happy returns!

441
KGxvi  May 24, 2017 • 3:22:44pm

re: #436 stpaulbear

On Facebook, the WaPo was offering a 50% discount to new subscribers. I didn’t see the notice until after I’d sprung for a full price subscription. I’d definitely go with the WaPo over the NYT. It is expensive but your also supporting the cost of their reporting.

They both have deals right now, looks like the digital edition runs about $100 for the year. Which isn’t terrible, I suppose. I mean, that’s basically in line with the quarter a day I paid in high school/college for the LA Times (who have a deal for about a dollar a week on digital).

442
stpaulbear  May 24, 2017 • 3:22:45pm

re: #434 Backwoods_Sleuth

Christ, Mulvaney is a dick. An obvious, 100% dick.

443
calochortus  May 24, 2017 • 3:23:42pm

re: #429 stpaulbear

Are you willing to delete your cookies? That’ll start your count over.

Specifically, just the cookies that mention the Times if you don’t want to delete them all.

444
Skip Intro  May 24, 2017 • 3:23:56pm

re: #442 stpaulbear

Christ, Mulvaney is a dick. An obvious, 100% dick.

Freedumb Caucus members are like that.

445
BeachDem  May 24, 2017 • 3:23:57pm

re: #431 Backwoods_Sleuth

really…

[Embedded content]

So I guess if somebody attacks the White House it will be Ivanka’s fault?

//and disgust at how horrible humans can be.

446
Archangelus  May 24, 2017 • 3:24:17pm

re: #442 stpaulbear

Christ, Mulvaney is a dick. An obvious, 100% dick.

How can someone who is so dickless also be such a giganormous dick at the same time? He’s a contradiction in derogatory terms…

447
Mike Lamb  May 24, 2017 • 3:24:32pm

Does the CBO factor in the ripple effects of 23 million uninsured such as the impacts of increased medical bankruptcies. Otherwise, the (already paltry) $119 billion savings over 10 years is a mirage.

448
The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  May 24, 2017 • 3:24:42pm

re: #431 Backwoods_Sleuth

really…

[Embedded content]

Not much has changed since the days when they were rooting for fucking Mosley.

449
BeachDem  May 24, 2017 • 3:24:48pm

re: #436 stpaulbear

On Facebook, the WaPo was offering a 50% discount to new subscribers. I didn’t see the notice until after I’d sprung for a full price subscription. I’d definitely go with the WaPo over the NYT. It is expensive but your also supporting the cost of their reporting.

Amazon had a free intro subscription to WaPo—not sure if it was just for Prime members or not.

450
calochortus  May 24, 2017 • 3:25:22pm

re: #445 BeachDem

So I guess if somebody attacks the White House it will be Ivanka’s fault?

[Embedded content]

//and disgust at how horrible humans can be.

Oh my dog, that’s horrible.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 3:25:48pm

re: #431 Backwoods_Sleuth

really…

[Embedded content]

Fuck these people.

452
KGxvi  May 24, 2017 • 3:26:21pm

re: #447 Mike Lamb

Does the CBO factor in the ripple effects of 23 million uninsured such as the impacts of increased medical bankruptcies. Otherwise, the (already paltry) $119 billion savings over 10 years is a mirage.

Not to mention lost income (and tax revenue) for missing work, and other second/third hand effects on the economy that could easily cut into those “savings” through lack economic activity.

453
HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 3:26:23pm

re: #445 BeachDem

So I guess if somebody attacks the White House it will be Ivanka’s fault?

[Embedded content]

//and disgust at how horrible humans can be.

Plenty of scantily clad Melania photos too. Really these people are fucking ghouls.

454
BeachDem  May 24, 2017 • 3:27:03pm

re: #442 stpaulbear

Christ, Mulvaney is a dick. An obvious, 100% dick.

And Mark Sanford is feeling his oats (he has actually been pretty sane and outspoken lately. Came out strong against offshore drilling and some other stuff—I’m sure it won’t last, but…)

The most withering criticism came from Representative Mark Sanford, who served in the South Carolina delegation with Mulvaney but rejected the plan’s rosy economic scenarios. “This budget presumes a Goldilocks economy,” Sanford said. “It assumes that the stars perfectly align with regard to economic drivers. Can you guess the last time we had an unemployment rate of 4.8 percent, growth of 3 percent and inflation held at 2 percent?” Sanford informed Mulvaney that it had never happened. He said of 3 percent growth: “It’s frankly not only a myth. It’s a lie.”

rawstory.com

455
Hecuba's daughter  May 24, 2017 • 3:27:03pm

re: #417 MsJ

I cannot wait until the Georgia election is over. I get no less than a dozen emails a day asking for money for Ossoff. Every single day. Day. After. Day.

Me too!! Me too!!

456
MsJ  May 24, 2017 • 3:28:26pm

re: #453 HappyWarrior

Plenty of scantily clad Melania photos too. Really these people are fucking ghouls.

Scantily clad? Melania is out and out naked.

457
blueraven  May 24, 2017 • 3:28:54pm

re: #411 Stanley Sea

Wow. Hillary (and the American voters) really got fucked over six ways to Sunday.
Unbelievable.

458
HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 3:29:05pm

re: #456 MsJ

Scantily clad? Melania is out and out naked.

I had honestly forgotten. As I said, it’s typocal right wing hypocrisy.

459
HappyWarrior  May 24, 2017 • 3:29:59pm

re: #457 blueraven

Wow. Hillary (and the American voters) really got fucked over six ways to Sunday.
Unbelievable.

We really did. It’s not all Trump’s fault though. A lot of it lies on his idiotic base that eats up his bullshit for breakfast and then asks for seconds.

460
austin_blue  May 24, 2017 • 3:30:00pm

re: #410 Dave In Austin

You got it. How about Reds Back Porch. You set the time.

On South Lamar by Brodie Oaks? That’s cool. See you noonish. I’ll listen for the hog.

461
CleverToad  May 24, 2017 • 3:31:01pm

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

Today is the BackwoodsSleuth couples’ 14th wedding anniversary (this despite knowing each other since 1965).

One month from today I shall be 65 years old.
MrBws is still a pupper since he doesn’t achieve Medicare status until February 2020. (Fun fact: IRL his nickname is PupEDawg)

Congratulations, and good wishes for a lot more years to come!

462
Archangelus  May 24, 2017 • 3:31:18pm
463
BeachDem  May 24, 2017 • 3:32:25pm

re: #456 MsJ

Scantily clad? Melania is out and out naked.

Yeah—that was too easy anyway. But as Ivanka is held up as the “classy” one, that cover seemed appropriate—there are others as well, but I’m sick of looking at her insipid face.

464
Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 3:33:41pm

re: #428 KGxvi

I keep thinking that I need to spring for a digital subscription to at least one paper. Haven’t pulled the trigger yet, but it’s tempting. Doesn’t seem that expensive, all things considered.

I pay for WaPo & I’m glad.
LGF & Wonkette also.

Going to join TPM soon.

It is not much & we need to support these places, especially in this time.

465
makeitstop  May 24, 2017 • 3:34:44pm

re: #419 Backwoods_Sleuth

and I’m sorry…Melania and Ivanka look like they are attending a vampire wedding…

Someone told them it was Goth Week at the Vatican.

466
7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  May 24, 2017 • 3:38:49pm

re: #277 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I kinda figured that; never shopped there myself, and with those prices, likely never will…

Oh … but … the breakfast buffet, for only $8.49 a pound here in Ann Arbor, contains thick sliced, quality, well cooked, crispy bacon. A product worth far, far more than the price charged. It’s one way you can visit Whole Paycheck and come out thinking you are definitely ahead. Be sure to go right when they open which, here, is eight am.

Before I retired I would buy a box full and be the Bacon Fairy all morning at work.

467
makeitstop  May 24, 2017 • 3:39:33pm

re: #439 Maddies Mom

I’m (a quite youthful!!!!!) 58-years-old…. TODAY!!!!!!!

Happy Birthday to you!

468
Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2017 • 3:43:09pm

re: #465 makeitstop

Someone told them it was Goth Week at the Vatican.

and it was so pitiful an attempt at being Goth…

469
petesh  May 24, 2017 • 3:43:55pm

re: #432 whitebeach

I well remember (fairly well; at least vaguely, no matter how I try to suppress it) when young women started to call me “sir.” On the bright side, they now feel so safe I can sometimes converse with them.

470
Pawn of the Oppressor  May 24, 2017 • 3:45:08pm

re: #414 Backwoods_Sleuth

bumpy night…

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I wonder if that came from the stripe of garbage weather that passed through the Low Country last night. My little island was under tornado warning (after getting a real tornado earlier in the evening). I spent half an hour waiting out the warning in the downstairs bathroom with an annoyed cat.

I think this crap followed me from Texas… It’s my fault, folks.

Sorry, sorry, only meant to blow up that one thing, sorry

471
Bubblehead II  May 24, 2017 • 3:48:05pm

re: #380 Dave In Austin

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CleverToad  May 24, 2017 • 3:48:39pm

re: #331 Eclectic Cyborg

Congratulations. My wife and I are celebrating 9 years today. :)

Congrats to you folks too!

473
Maddies Mom  May 24, 2017 • 3:52:38pm

re: #440 thedopefishlives

Many happy returns!

Thank you kindly, sir!

474
Maddies Mom  May 24, 2017 • 3:54:40pm

re: #467 makeitstop

Happy Birthday to you!

I’m giving myself until 7pm, then I crack open the champagne!

475
klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 24, 2017 • 3:54:57pm

re: #474 Maddies Mom

I’m giving myself until 7pm, then I crack open the champagne!

It’s 7pm somewhere! ;)

476
cat-tikvah  May 24, 2017 • 3:58:15pm

re: #357 EPR-radar

I.e., dead.

Feature, not bug.

477
Stanley Sea  May 24, 2017 • 3:58:17pm

re: #439 Maddies Mom

Happy Birthday MM!

478
lawhawk  May 24, 2017 • 4:06:51pm

re: #462 Archangelus

[Embedded content]

That graphic actually underplays just how bad things are with the GOP plans.

For one thing, the ACA rate after 2016 would have been even lower had the GOP expanded Medicaid instead of fighting it all the way to the Supreme Court and refusing to expand it at the state level. States like TX that refused to expand are states with the highest uninsured rates in the nation.

In other words, the spread would be even greater than it already is because the GOP has actively raised the uninsured rates under the ACA. They want to see the rate rise far higher than it was before the ACA. At the same time, everyone will pay more through higher premiums and costs due to the uncertainties the GOP is inserting into the marketplace, and the GOP simply doesn’t care because it delivers an investment tax cut for the high income earners - aka millionaires like Trump.

479
Dave In Austin  May 24, 2017 • 4:09:52pm

re: #439 Maddies Mom

HBD Mom…

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Cheechako  May 24, 2017 • 4:11:25pm

re: #358 BeachDem

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IngisKahn  May 24, 2017 • 4:13:44pm

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BeachDem  May 24, 2017 • 4:15:02pm

re: #480 Cheechako

Q9mUvEcLWL1fxjDye4/PActiysNgsCGuowyonbya/7HwGMfTIq5ltNMg4igIkNCFrUtXddhc2jG6WUGWWHsUHxAasxbCpgLq5p5i3b2oauMhsPpF/vf1PCDHlv4QHfU01y1za92k67Zqs9XELOY0HUBQGhRgtEk27IHjGfFBcDaRqSsqykXS9E8L+tgBLHjV0+Eu4mW2TjXBjw+MKinmW0V/7vsQOW36XWKF7FIP6OrSlcsV9Rl0G11h6QLkeQctUtWplsWmS+AoSXLsUQa109UPxJ168dRxAD7CSBwVRsqF8dfAip6A+dYLxx+WCjpb/rUN9sFXlzgY8JKkhau2vw==

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CleverToad  May 24, 2017 • 4:15:14pm

Late comment on the age thingie.
61.
18-year-old son WHO GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL TODAY (huge sigh of relief) was appalled, at the age of eight, when I explained to him that in my childhood days we didn’t have computers on our desks, DVDs, VCRs, cell phones, digital cameras, etc. We had to wait till the TV station showed a re-run to watch a particular show or movie. When you took a picture you had to get the film developed to see how it came out. Our phones were hooked into the wall. There was this thing called long-distance rates. There was no such thing as a video game (gasps of horror). There was no such thing as ‘the internet’ (stark incredulity)
“What did you do all day,” asked the little smartass, “play in the cave mud?”


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