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covfefe  May 25, 2017 • 10:09:45pm

And just like that, CNN starts with the narrative… Dem loss a huge blow!

Sure it’s a loss. But nobody expected it to be as close as it was. I would have been thrilled if we picked up that seat, of course.

Now the GOP is stuck with that asshole. Reporters are going to have to learn to fight back and defend themselves, unfortunately. Sad sign of the times, but we can hopefully cut our losses come November 2018 and re-right the ship.

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plansbandc  May 25, 2017 • 10:10:16pm

the SCROTUS and his fucking party are just complete dipshitery.

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Targetpractice  May 25, 2017 • 10:13:48pm

re: #1 GlutenFreeJesus

And just like that, CNN starts with the narrative… Dem loss a huge blow!

Sure it’s a loss. But nobody expected it to be as close as it was. I would have been thrilled if we picked up that seat, of course.

Now the GOP is stuck with that asshole. Reporters are going to have to learn to fight back and defend themselves, unfortunately. Sad sign of the times, but we can hopefully cut our losses come November 2018 and re-right the ship.

The “huge loss” narrative is because the media spent days hyping this race as a “referendum” on Trump. Anyone with half a brain knew that the race was a long-shot, the GOP had a 20 point advantage going into the race from just six months ago. Quint cut that down to less than 10%, but the media’s got a story to push and that’s that this was a “huge loss” after all the hype…that the media was pushing.

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covfefe  May 25, 2017 • 10:14:30pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

Bingo.

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2017 • 10:15:54pm

re: #1 GlutenFreeJesus

And just like that, CNN starts with the narrative… Dem loss a huge blow!

Sure it’s a loss. But nobody expected it to be as close as it was. I would have been thrilled if we picked up that seat, of course.

Now the GOP is stuck with that asshole. Reporters are going to have to learn to fight back and defend themselves, unfortunately. Sad sign of the times, but we can hopefully cut our losses come November 2018 and re-right the ship.

FFS, it’s a loss in a state that Trump won by 20 points. Yeah I wanted to win it but calling this a loss for hte Dems is pretty pathetic spin.

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Kragar  May 25, 2017 • 10:17:32pm
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DodgerFan1988  May 25, 2017 • 10:18:30pm

Kind of disgusting that many of Montana’s voters had no problem with the GOP candidate assaulting a journalist.

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2017 • 10:18:32pm

re: #6 Kragar

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Poor snowflakes.

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Apocalypse  May 25, 2017 • 10:18:35pm

re: #1 GlutenFreeJesus

Quick Question: Did they state the 4th Circuit’s ruling as a “big loss” to trump/repub? Or at least report it?

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teleskiguy  May 25, 2017 • 10:18:38pm

re: #1 GlutenFreeJesus

Reporters are going to have to learn to fight back and defend themselves, unfortunately.

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2017 • 10:19:32pm

re: #9 Apocalypse

Quick Question: Did they state the 4th Circuit’s ruling as a “big loss” to trump/repub? Or at least report it?

I hadn’t heard any talk about that tonight and that’s a big ruling. The 4th circuit definitely does not have the 9th’s reputation. Of course, Republicans are still going to shit on the 4th.

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Apocalypse  May 25, 2017 • 10:19:41pm

re: #6 Kragar

Sounds like a result to me.

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2017 • 10:21:23pm

I’m going to state an uncomfortable truth here though. I think there are many Republican parts of this country that literally live by the IOIYAR code. NOw the right Dem can win in Montana as we’ve seen with Schweitzer, Tesler, and the current Governor but the fact is, this is still a staunchly Republican state. These voters claim they want small government but they voted for a big government Republican.

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Donkey With No Name  May 25, 2017 • 10:22:50pm

A hit and run… As long as we accept the framing that the US is somehow intrinsically right-leaning, we’re being our own worst enemies. We’re the patriots who stand up for the Constitution and justice at this point, we’re at least a plurality, and don’t forget it.

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Kragar  May 25, 2017 • 10:23:14pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

The fact is there are huge swathes of the country right now which are no-go zones for many Americans because they’re controlled by Republican thugs

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KGxvi  May 25, 2017 • 10:25:48pm

re: #7 DodgerFan1988

Kind of disgusting that many of Montana’s voters had no problem with the GOP candidate assaulting a journalist.

I saw something saying that somewhere between 40 and 65% of ballots were cast before yesterday. Yes, there were some assholes that were okay with it - hell, I saw some stories of people liking it - but it’s also entirely possible that a significant number of those who voted for Gianforte before the incident may have switched their vote (either to Quist or the Libertarian candidate on the ballot), or not voted had this happened a week ago.

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Charles Johnson  May 25, 2017 • 10:26:56pm
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KGxvi  May 25, 2017 • 10:28:26pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Has any other president been this obsessed with his approval ratings?

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2017 • 10:29:41pm

re: #15 Kragar

The fact is there are huge swathes of the country right now which are no-go zones for many Americans because they’re controlled by Republican thugs

Exactly. I mean someone like me would be fine there but people like my SiL, my boss, many of our clients? No way.

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2017 • 10:30:18pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

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Again, who mocks who about participation trophies. You’re bragging about a 48% approval rating, Donnie.

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BeachDem  May 25, 2017 • 10:30:29pm

I know in the big scheme of things this is totally unimportant, but I’m curious (and I mean that sincerely, because I’m not up on the inner workings of the Catholic Church.)

How does somebody who was supposedly never baptized and who married a two-time divorced man in an Episcopal ceremony claim to be a practicing Catholic? Many, many stories today about how when Melania moves to Washington she’ll be the first Catholic first lady *editing to add—in the White House* since Jackie Kennedy.

I know Melania fancies herself as the second-coming of Jackie, but it seems a bit of a stretch to me.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  May 25, 2017 • 10:30:35pm

re: #10 teleskiguy

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Or news organizations are going to have to budget for armed bodyguards for their reporters who have to cover Republican politicians and their constituents.

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2017 • 10:30:39pm

re: #18 KGxvi

Has any other president been this obsessed with his approval ratings?

Millard Fillmore was. ///

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Nyet  May 25, 2017 • 10:32:30pm
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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2017 • 10:33:15pm

re: #21 BeachDem

I know in the big scheme of things this is totally unimportant, but I’m curious (and I mean that sincerely, because I’m not up on the inner workings of the Catholic Church.)

How does somebody who was supposedly never baptized and who married a two-time divorced man in an Episcopal ceremony claim to be a practicing Catholic? Many, many stories today about how when Melania moves to Washington she’ll be the first Catholic first lady since Jackie Kennedy.

I know Melania fancies herself as the second-coming of Jackie, but it seems a bit of a stretch to me.

Well I think she grew up Catholic in Slovenia. I really don’t get it either but I definitely think Melania’s like many of us who were brought up in the faith, we identify with it even though we definitely don’t observe its tenets. But I’ve never proclaimed myself to be a devout Catholic either. I got bored with CCD when I was six and my parents understood and that was the extent. I’ev of course been to mass since but never felt pressure to do my first communion or get confirmed, thanks Mom and Dad.

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2017 • 10:34:15pm

re: #24 Nyet

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There’s some fun people on that them tehre internet.

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BeachDem  May 25, 2017 • 10:38:49pm

re: #25 HappyWarrior

Well I think she grew up Catholic in Slovenia. I really don’t get it either but I definitely think Melania’s like many of us who were brought up in the faith, we identify with it even though we definitely don’t observe its tenets. But I’ve never proclaimed myself to be a devout Catholic either. I got bored with CCD when I was six and my parents understood and that was the extent. I’ev of course been to mass since but never felt pressure to do my first communion or get confirmed, thanks Mom and Dad.

Supposedly the mother was Catholic but the father (and the household) was Communist.

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Apocalypse  May 25, 2017 • 10:43:49pm

re: #27 BeachDem

Since when was Communism a religion?
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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2017 • 10:44:49pm

re: #27 BeachDem

Supposedly the mother was Catholic but the father (and the household) was Communist.

That’s what I heard too. Religion has made a comeback a bit in Eastern Europe after the end of communist rule. It does come off insincere to me but as you said, not important really. I’m sure she was thrilled to meet Francis just as I’d be.

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2017 • 10:45:54pm

re: #28 Apocalypse

Since when was Communism a religion?
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Marx bless you my child and baby Lenin and the holy Stalin.

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teleskiguy  May 25, 2017 • 10:52:15pm

Maintained his innocence all the way to the end.

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Apocalypse  May 25, 2017 • 10:52:26pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

Same. I’m an Agnostic Atheist but even to me; to meet him would be an exquisite experience to have. It helps the last one wasn’t, to put it one way, wasn’t cut out of the same cloth as JPII .

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teleskiguy  May 25, 2017 • 10:53:44pm

re: #32 Apocalypse

Agnostic Atheist

Uh…

You either know or don’t know, can’t have both.

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Apocalypse  May 25, 2017 • 10:59:03pm

re: #33 teleskiguy

Agnostic, if its push or shove.

That stated, I’m open to evidence but all the evidence available of a deities existence seem to strength the rational there isn’t such a thing.

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Nyet  May 25, 2017 • 10:59:14pm

re: #33 teleskiguy

Uh…

You either know or don’t know, can’t have both.

Well, I’m an agnostic atheist too, as it happens.

An agnostic doesn’t know. An atheist doesn’t believe. There’s a certain amount of overlapping there.

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teleskiguy  May 25, 2017 • 11:04:12pm

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Dave In Austin  May 25, 2017 • 11:07:56pm

re: #27 BeachDem

Supposedly the mother was Catholic but the father (and the household) was Communist.

I think he was also some sort of party boss….

This shit runs deep

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Nyet  May 25, 2017 • 11:08:54pm

re: #36 teleskiguy

Both terms mean at least two things each. Some take atheism to be an assertion of God’s non-existence, whereas a more general def simply emphasizes lack of belief. In the same vein an agnostic may claim that God’s existence is unknowable/unprovable, or may be just unsure at this particular moment.

Two of these versions are fully compatible.

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Kragar  May 25, 2017 • 11:09:48pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 25, 2017 • 11:15:38pm

re: #7 DodgerFan1988

Kind of disgusting that many of Montana’s voters had no problem with the GOP candidate assaulting a journalist.

To be fair a lot of the probably voted in advance before the assault happened. There were even several stories posted here earlier today about people who wanted to change their early votes but couldn’t.

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covfefe  May 25, 2017 • 11:16:34pm

re: #39 Kragar

Wtf.

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wheat-dogg  May 25, 2017 • 11:19:27pm

re: #39 Kragar

His attention span limit was reached.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 25, 2017 • 11:21:56pm

re: #42 wheat-dogg

His attention span limit was reached.

That’s it exactly. He’s like a 10 year old with ADD.

Speaking as someone who has ADD, it IS possible to keep it under control and focus on important things if need be. Of course one needs to put in the mental effort to do this.

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freetoken  May 25, 2017 • 11:31:42pm

A few months back I remarked about the spurt of time travel genre TV shows that popped up… and now they are all cancelled. All three of the latest met early ends:

Fox cancels Son of Zorn, Making History

I tried watching all these shows, as the genre is one of my favorites. Thing is, there is a lot of acting talent out there, but the delivery of the final product, in all three cases of Timeless, Time After Time, and Making History, came off to me as just being superfluous. As entertainment they were there, but didn’t stand out.

Note that DC’s Legends was running contemporaneously, but it is geared to a slightly younger audience. I’ve tried to watch it, but there is no real plot, just a jumble of tropes.

I’ve also remarked before how all 4 shows fixated on the same few events in the past, the few that the average American may be familiar - the Rev. War, the Civil War, WWII.

All these shows have squeezed whatever sparkle there was left in the genre, for new TV shows for now.

Networks are desperate for programming. I wonder how in the fall they will fill the time slots. “Reality” TV probably.

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wheat-dogg  May 25, 2017 • 11:32:39pm

Thursday and Friday are my busiest teaching days, so I haven’t been commenting much. Besides, it’s taken me several hours just to catch up on the threads. And I have classes in another 40 minutes, so this is a drive-by comment.

WTF is up with Trump and the other NATO leaders? He shoved one guy aside, just so he could jump the queue and smirk for the cameras, then he and Macron tried out some wrestling moves together. I laughed when I saw Macron fake out Trump by wlaking toward him, then diverting over to Merkel to greet her first, then the two gents on either side of her, and only then arm-wrestling Trump. That must have really burned Donnie Two Scoops.

I haven’t had time to listen to Donnie’s address to the leaders, but I gather it was a total disaster, worse than his speech to the Muslim leaders several days ago.

If his handlers were hoping this tour would raise Trump’s “ratings” among world leaders, they were wrong. If anything, Trump’s antics have proved to everyone with a brain cell or two that Trump is a complete ninny, an ignorant buffoon who pretends to be Mr Tough Guy but is really a paper tiger. His idiot fans in the States are naturally lapping it up, believing Donnie’s tough talk and wrestling moves are signs of a world-class leader who will sure show those stuck-up ferners a thing or two.

I have saved the Addams Family version of the First Family with Pope Francis for frequent viewing and chuckles. And I have lived long enough to witness a Pope giving a US president the side-eye and a cold hard stare. If we were in medieval times, Trump would have been in serious trouble pissing off the Pope.

Time to go. See you folks in another couple of hours.

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freetoken  May 25, 2017 • 11:33:00pm

Also, I’m dreading the new Star Trek series coming up.

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freetoken  May 25, 2017 • 11:33:35pm

re: #45 wheat-dogg

WTF is up with Trump and the other NATO leaders?

Donnie Derpo just acting like a little kid.

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wheat-dogg  May 25, 2017 • 11:34:52pm

re: #47 freetoken

Donnie Derpo just acting like a little kid.

The Montenegro guy was obviously shocked by the maneuver. Just look at his expression.

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teleskiguy  May 25, 2017 • 11:37:32pm

I’M SORRY I HIT YOU, BABY! YOU KNOW I LOVE YOU! PLEASE FORGIVE ME, TAKE ME BACK!

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covfefe  May 25, 2017 • 11:37:44pm

When do all the other countries invade us to protect civilization?!

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Targetpractice  May 25, 2017 • 11:43:44pm

re: #46 freetoken

Also, I’m dreading the new Star Trek series coming up.

Up to a point, I’m at least willing to give it a chance. But the appearance of the Klingons leaves me…unimpressed.

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Kragar  May 25, 2017 • 11:44:34pm

re: #50 GlutenFreeJesus

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Targetpractice  May 25, 2017 • 11:46:43pm

re: #52 Kragar

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Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.

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Kragar  May 25, 2017 • 11:48:12pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.

When I got this assignment I was hoping there would be more gambling.

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freetoken  May 25, 2017 • 11:49:24pm

I guess I am wrong about Timeless - NBC has un-cancelled it in an unusual move:

‘Timeless’ Scores Season 2 Order at NBC After Cancellation

It appears it is more cost effective to go with a lower production cost, lower ratings show than to take a gamble on a new production:

Industry sources said the cost consciousness has influenced the decisions to renew some marginally performing shows. Networks are more inclined to stick with a show that has some promise if only to save on the expense of marketing and promotion for a brand-new title. NBC’s quick reversal of the cancelation for “Timeless” reflects this dynamic.

What a sad business in some ways, all this hand wringing just so some corporations can get you to buy more KFC or Coke.

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teleskiguy  May 26, 2017 • 12:08:40am

What happens when a Cat 5 hurricane slams into Miami while Fuckface Von Clownstick is president?

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Targetpractice  May 26, 2017 • 12:10:21am

I might like to see some of Harry Turtledove’s work turned into a TV series or miniseries. Perhaps his World War series, i.e. alien invaders showing up in WWII, causing the warring nations of Earth to put aside their differences.

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freetoken  May 26, 2017 • 12:14:55am

Lots of derivative programming:

Fall 2017-18 Network TV Schedule

A reboot of Dynasty. Really???

McGyver… Hawaii Five-O… To Tell The Truth… Dynasty… The Exorcist… just what decade am I living in??

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freetoken  May 26, 2017 • 12:16:12am

re: #57 Targetpractice

There have been several TV shows the past decade or so about alien invaders and the humans fighting to survive, etc. It’s probably too soon to try and reignite interest in that.

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Targetpractice  May 26, 2017 • 12:18:02am

re: #59 freetoken

There have been several TV shows the past decade or so about alien invaders and the humans fighting to survive, etc. It’s probably too soon to try and reignite interest in that.

Well, I would have suggested his Timeline-191 series, but I suspect advertisors might have a hard time drumming up interest in a series where the American South wins the Civil War, loses WWI, and ends up becoming the Nazis in time for WWII.

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freetoken  May 26, 2017 • 12:18:59am

re: #51 Targetpractice

Up to a point, I’m at least willing to give it a chance. But the appearance of the Klingons leaves me…unimpressed.

The trailer does not encourage me. There are lots of alt-right types whining about women as the lead officers… I’m find with women in command, but the acting in the trailer of the two actors they’ve cast left me cold.

The better Star Trek shows/episodes had elements of whimsy. It looks like Discovery is taking itself a bit too seriously.

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freetoken  May 26, 2017 • 12:19:52am

re: #60 Targetpractice

Well, I would have suggested his Timeline-191 series, but I suspect advertisors might have a hard time drumming up interest in a series where the American South wins the Civil War, loses WWI, and ends up becoming the Nazis in time for WWII.

Certainly wouldn’t garner that choice KFC advertising dollars.

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Kragar  May 26, 2017 • 12:21:14am

re: #56 teleskiguy

What happens when a Cat 5 hurricane slams into Miami while Fuckface Von Clownstick is president?

Tool - Ænema

Some say the end is near.
Some say we’ll see Armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will cause
I sure could use a vacation from this

Stupid shit, silly shit, stupid shit…

One great big festering neon distraction,
I’ve a suggestion to keep you all occupied.

Learn to swim.

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Dr Lizardo  May 26, 2017 • 12:21:24am

re: #61 freetoken

The trailer does not encourage me. There are lots of alt-right types whining about women as the lead officers… I’m find with women in command, but the acting in the trailer of the two actors they’ve cast left me cold.

The better Star Trek shows/episodes had elements of whimsy. It looks like Discovery is taking itself a bit too seriously.

Seth MacFarlane’s The Orville looks better, TBH.

The Orville: Official Trailer | THE ORVILLE

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freetoken  May 26, 2017 • 12:22:13am

A great deal of network television is designed to only be good enough to capture two demographics (late childhood/teens, and 20-somethings) to sit long enough to watch advertisements for some Nike gear or equivalent.

The remainder is geared for the retirement crowd (e.g., DWTS, or anything on Fox News), which intends to sell drugs from Viagra to heart medicine to anti-depressants.

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teleskiguy  May 26, 2017 • 12:27:05am

Did you know that there was just one fatal shooting in Japan in 2015?

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freetoken  May 26, 2017 • 12:30:55am

One of the most striking aspects about American network television is the near total absence of any show set in a foreign culture.

Think about it: all over the world people watch the small screen, seeing shows from among other places the US, and these shows set their plots in NY, or LA, or possibly Chicago or Miami.

Conversely, how many Americans watch a show set in another culture?

The closest to this is Dr. Who, but even though it has a cult following of some size, it’s not on broadcast network here in the US but starts out on BBC and gets picked up and redistributed from there (e.g., on Amazon Prime.) And even then, plenty of the modern Dr. Who episodes have set episodes in the US, or with American characters.

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freetoken  May 26, 2017 • 12:33:13am

So, because English is the overwhelmingly used language in the US, any American TV show will need to be in English, and setting a show with English speakers in Kazakhstan might be a bit strange.

But why doesn’t an American network take a gamble on a show set in, say, Mumbai, where one would encounter plenty of English?

Are network executives so prejudiced? Or are they just cowards?

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Targetpractice  May 26, 2017 • 12:35:05am

re: #68 freetoken

So, because English is the overwhelmingly used language in the US, any American TV show will need to be in English, and setting a show with English speakers in Kazakhstan might be a bit strange.

But why doesn’t an American network take a gamble on a show set in, say, Mumbai, where one would encounter plenty of English?

Are network executives so prejudiced? Or are they just cowards?

Yes.

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freetoken  May 26, 2017 • 12:42:37am

You’d think one could produce a season (16 episodes) of a TV show in Mumbai for a lot less money than doing it in Los Angeles.

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freetoken  May 26, 2017 • 12:44:17am

re: #66 teleskiguy

Did you know that there was just one fatal shooting in Japan in 2015?

But think of all the tyranny they are under!!

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freetoken  May 26, 2017 • 12:50:44am

On the new fall network TV schedule there are added some shows centered around the military.

I’m now old and jaded, but I look on this as just more feeding of the militaristic fantasies of the trumpers.

For those on Facebook, I’m sure you’ve seen those memes which try to beatify anything to do with the military, uniforms, etc. Romanticizing the uniform they are. This is a sister-cult to the gun fetishists.

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Targetpractice  May 26, 2017 • 12:55:04am

re: #72 freetoken

On the new fall network TV schedule there are added some shows centered around the military.

I’m now old and jaded, but I look on this as just more feeding of the militaristic fantasies of the trumpers.

For those on Facebook, I’m sure you’ve seen those memes which try to beatify anything to do with the military, uniforms, etc. Romanticizing the uniform they are. This is a sister-cult to the gun fetishists.

Seems the national guilt over our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan has passed.

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Teukka  May 26, 2017 • 12:57:42am

re: #72 freetoken

On the new fall network TV schedule there are added some shows centered around the military.

I’m now old and jaded, but I look on this as just more feeding of the militaristic fantasies of the trumpers.

For those on Facebook, I’m sure you’ve seen those memes which try to beatify anything to do with the military, uniforms, etc. Romanticizing the uniform they are. This is a sister-cult to the gun fetishists.

You know who else had a uniform fetish?
*resets Godwin alarm*

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freetoken  May 26, 2017 • 12:58:20am

re: #73 Targetpractice

In the age of Trump we are now to conquer the world…

I don’t know how these new shows will really stack up. Maybe they will be more introspective, and deal with serious drama. If so I will be pleasantly surprised.

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Teukka  May 26, 2017 • 1:00:11am

re: #75 freetoken

In the age of Trump we are now to conquer the world…

I don’t know how these new shows will really stack up. Maybe they will be more introspective, and deal with serious drama. If so I will be pleasantly surprised.

Something like “The Handmaids Tale” only scripted so that people who follow the series get at least one flashback a week from real life events, and that the script is generally “too good” at suspension of disbelief.

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Single-handed sailor  May 26, 2017 • 1:06:43am

The problem is the equation of mankind cannot be balanced which is kinda what the Bible was all about, so divest of what loses and invest in what gains. Remember the Rules of Acquisition and you will profit.

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freetoken  May 26, 2017 • 1:10:31am

Travelers, that is the name of the other time travel TV show that I couldn’t recall.

So American television ended up with many time-travel genre shows at once.

Travelers is about transferring consciousness back in time. I gave up on it after it’s mid-season climax, when to me the story logically ended.

Anyway, this fall there will be another time-travel show, on ABC, “The Crossing”, which looks to mix in a bit of X-men and Lost into the show. Perhaps it will be interesting… maybe not.

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freetoken  May 26, 2017 • 1:17:56am

Perhaps the best thing about the decline of TV network programming, which continues to get hit by the younger folk not being so passive in their entertainment choices but picking and choosing across the vast internet, is that eventually the TV networks will have to provide substantive programming that people will actually pay to watch.

This is what CBS is going to try with the new Star Trek series - get people to pay for the on-demand CBS service. I don’t subscribe, though if you are willing to accept limited commercials the CBS over-the-top service isn’t too much ($6/mo.)

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Targetpractice  May 26, 2017 • 1:35:58am

So the wingnut narrative today will be “DEMS LOST HUGELY!”. But if you look at the actual numbers from last night, Gianforte seriously underperformed compared to Trump in November. There is not a single county in MT where he did better than Trump did, nor a county where Hillary did better than Quist did last night. And (unsurprisingly) the Libertarian candidate took enough of the vote away to turn what might have been a razor-thin race into a 6-point win. But that’s a 14-point shift for the GOP since November. 14 points would mean a lot of seats changing hands next November.

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Anymouse  May 26, 2017 • 1:43:11am

re: #80 Targetpractice

So the wingnut narrative today will be “DEMS LOST HUGELY!”. But if you look at the actual numbers from last night, Gianforte seriously underperformed compared to Trump in November. There is not a single county in MT where he did better than Trump did, nor a county where Hillary did better than Quist did last night. And (unsurprisingly) the Libertarian candidate took enough of the vote away to turn what might have been a razor-thin race into a 6-point win. But that’s a 14-point shift for the GOP since November. 14 points would mean a lot of seats changing hands next November.

This goes back to my thesis with my former Libertarian campaign manager sweetie, that if the Libertarian Party plays its cards right and resists the pull of wingnuts from the Republican Party, the Libertarian Party stands to gain hugely, at the expense of the GOP.

It wouldn’t be an overnight thing, but it takes a while to build a party base. The Libertarian Party exists in every state (I saw billboards for Gary Johnson and Bill Weld in the last election in Cheyenne).

The LP is unlikely to take a significant number of Democratic voters. As such, in the future they could be a real thorn-in-the-side of the GOP.

Two years ago, Libertarians never held a state office. Now, there is a state senator in Iowa and another in Nebraska (the latter abandoning the GOP when Donald Trump was nominated).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2017 • 1:47:08am

Gianforte is probably sad he did not up and kill that reporter, would not have cost him the election…

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Targetpractice  May 26, 2017 • 1:55:39am

re: #81 Anymouse

This goes back to my thesis with my former Libertarian campaign manager sweetie, that if the Libertarian Party plays its cards right and resists the pull of wingnuts from the Republican Party, the Libertarian Party stands to gain hugely, at the expense of the GOP.

It wouldn’t be an overnight thing, but it takes a while to build a party base. The Libertarian Party exists in every state (I saw billboards for Gary Johnson and Bill Weld in the last election in Cheyenne).

The LP is unlikely to take a significant number of Democratic voters. As such, in the future they could be a real thorn-in-the-side of the GOP.

Two years ago, Libertarians never held a state office. Now, there is a state senator in Iowa and another in Nebraska (the latter abandoning the GOP when Donald Trump was nominated).

So far, all I see the Libertarian Party doing is performing its traditional role: A spoiler in elections where there might have been a major shift, giving the GOP enough breathing room by giving disaffected voters a dumping ground for their voters so they can say “I Voted” without any guilt.

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Anymouse  May 26, 2017 • 2:03:22am

re: #83 Targetpractice

So far, all I see the Libertarian Party doing is performing its traditional role: A spoiler in elections where there might have been a major shift, giving the GOP enough breathing room by giving disaffected voters a dumping ground for their voters so they can say “I Voted” without any guilt.

Well, I can’t really say. The term “spoiler” is what any third-party gets right until they win elections. We’ve had party collapses before from “spoilers” (the Federalists, the Whigs, &c).

If the Libertarians were to continue to chip away at the GOP, they could conceivably cause its collapse. As I noted above, they never had state government elected officials, now they have two.

And if they do act as a spoiler for the GOP, I am not upset by that. If the Libertarian Party never got enough votes to elect an official, every vote they take away from the GOP is one less the Dems have to get.

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Anymouse  May 26, 2017 • 2:37:48am

A bit of history on hubris in American politics:

It was at the peak of the Federalist Party’s power that they destroyed themselves. Infighting between Hamilton and Adams reached such a pitch that they started attacking each other. That allowed Jefferson’s Democratic-Republicans to slip into the presidency, and the Federalists never recovered.

The same happened to the Democratic-Republicans, with the Jackson wing splitting and forming the Democratic Party. The remnants of the Democratic-Republicans collapsed.

The same happened to the Whigs, splitting and forming the Republican Party; the remnants of the Whigs collapsed (though the party still lives on in Liberia, tracing its roots back to the original American Whig Party).

Right now the Republican Party is at a peak not seen in a hundred years of American politics, and infighting has set in amongst its members. The Libertarians peel off more and more R voters in every election.

They might not collapse in the next election, but if they don’t straighten out they will. As they become more and more beholden to the extremist elements of their party, the show they cannot govern. (This is why they can’t get their “healthcare bill” to loosely call it passed: less extreme Republicans don’t want to slit their own political throats.) The longer the Russia thing drags on, the more the whole party looks complicit and more moderate R’s either vote for Libertarians or drop out.

This looks like a historical party system shift to me. It might take a few years, but I don’t see the GOP pulling out of the devil’s bargain it made with the wingnut religious right under Reagan.

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William Lewis  May 26, 2017 • 2:45:34am

re: #85 Anymouse

The danger with that is that the Libertarians are not moderates, but as dangerously extreme as the worst of the Grand Old Fascist party. We need a conservative party that looks to Burke not a revolutionary party of Rand.

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Dave In Austin  May 26, 2017 • 3:09:09am

Ok, now it makes sense. Stephen Miller wrote Dolt45’s NATO Mo-Money speech. No wonder it was so bad.

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Anymouse  May 26, 2017 • 3:11:45am

re: #86 William Lewis

The danger with that is that the Libertarians are not moderates, but as dangerously extreme as the worst of the Grand Old Fascist party. We need a conservative party that looks to Burke not a revolutionary party of Rand.

I agree, though the LP is not the social conservative wingnuttery of the GOP now. The LP could give a hoot who you marry or what you do with your personal life.

I’m under no illusion the LP would be preferable to me as a Democrat. They are only preferable insofar as they don’t have the crazy religious conservatives and Nazis running their party.

I can almost picture my junior Senator Ben Sasse mulling this over. As a history professor, he is familiar with how parties rise and fall in the USA. I can see him either positioning himself as the “sane voice” of the GOP (as opposed to people like Ted Cruz) if the GOP decides to pitch its extremists, or saying “I’m done with this” and switch to the LP like state senator Laura Ebke did. (Interestingly, a polling organisation went through her district after she switched to gauge the reaction of the voters; they were largely okay with her party switch.)

As such, he would then be an LP US Senator: By the time he was up for reëlection (2020), it would not seem unusual (at least to Nebraskans) that a Libertarian was on the ticket for the Senate (or possibly President). Moreover, a Presidential campaign is much easier to launch as a Senator.

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William Lewis  May 26, 2017 • 3:17:24am

re: #88 Anymouse

The Paul family points to there being a sizable racist/white supremacist element within the “Libertarian” fold and you’d have to purge them before it gets to even the level of dangerous you’re talking about.

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MegPasadena  May 26, 2017 • 3:20:27am

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Besides, why does he think 48% is something to be proud of?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2017 • 3:34:36am

Trump said he could shoot someone on the street and suffer no consequences.

That has rubbed off on the rest of the party: Gianforte assaulted a reporter and faced no political consequences.

That is why they love Trump so much and will not move against him even if the evidence is overwhelming and irrefutable.

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Anymouse  May 26, 2017 • 3:34:46am

re: #89 William Lewis

The Paul family points to there being a sizable racist/white supremacist element within the “Libertarian” fold and you’d have to purge them before it gets to even the level of dangerous you’re talking about.

I’m just a jack-leg political hack in the middle of nowhere, so I’m just spitballin’ here. (I also have my sweetie’s knowledge of the workings of the Libertarian Party.)

There are racists in every party (though I’d like to think our party composes fewer racists than the GOP). Ron Paul is a small l libertarian (he never joined their party), and Rand Paul didn’t join either.

Right now the LP’s problem seems to be they can’t even organise properly (something something you’re not the boss of me). A platform of maximum individual liberty at the expense of governance seems to make for a party that can’t organise itself well. (They’ve been around since the Seventies and only now are getting recognition.)

I can’t see someone like Rand Paul jumping ship for the LP because so many of the LP’s positions on individual freedom are at odds with what Rand Paul espouses.

As the GOP is running today, with a lock on the House, Senate, and Presidency, they still can’t get any significant legislation through. They are fighting with each other. They don’t need a single Democratic vote to pass anything they want, and they can’t even do that. That is a weakness in their party that could prove fatal if they can’t fix it (that is what brought down every other major party in the past).

For now things look pretty dark for the Democrats, but the Democrats are on-message, even between their more conservative members and their more liberal ones. The Democratic Party seems quicker to respond to shifts in public mood (marriage equality, equal pay for women, &c, note President Obama was opposed to same-sex marriage in his first term but changed his position on that).

My biggest concern is who rises in the Democratic Party now as a national leader. Though parties are built from the ground up, they still need direction, and in reality, a “face” for the party. That face has been Barack Obama for the last eight years, and Hillary Clinton in the run up to the disaster of 11/9. (Not her fault it was a disaster.)

I don’t like national politics are built on personalities. I would prefer they are built on nice wonky policy nerds, but voters kind of zone out when presented with wonky stuff.

(If personality was a requirement in a local election they wouldn’t let me anywhere near the village hall here.)

We’ll have to see. The GOP is at the zenith of its power now. Every time in the past a party achieved this, it destroyed itself from infighting. I’m not sure the GOP has the wherewithal to save itself, but we’ll see.

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Anymouse  May 26, 2017 • 3:40:53am

re: #90 MegPasadena

Besides, why does he think 48% is something to be proud of?

The minority of the electorate loves me. Winning!!!!one!”!uno!1!!

I want to see the Electoral College system die in a fire. I’m fine with California, New York, Massachusetts, &c having equal say over states like mine or Wyoming.

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Barefoot Grin  May 26, 2017 • 3:41:20am

re: #91 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump said he could shoot someone on the street and suffer no consequences.

That has rubbed off on the rest of the party: Gianforte assaulted a reporter and faced no political consequences.

That is why they love Trump so much and will not move against him even if the evidence is overwhelming and irrefutable.

I was just thinking this. Of course, the attitude has to be combined with unassailable wealth to pull off.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2017 • 3:42:00am

re: #90 MegPasadena

Besides, why does he think 48% is something to be proud of?

Over three million of the people who disapproved were illegals…

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Anymouse  May 26, 2017 • 3:46:24am

re: #95 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Over three million of the people who disapproved were illegals…

… every single one of which voted for Hillary Clinton, according to wingnuts.

I’d move to a blue state, but that won’t help (plus that takes money I don’t have and as a middle-aged disabled vet couldn’t get hired for anything). The best I can do is try to fight the good fight in red state central.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  May 26, 2017 • 3:46:59am

So has it come to the point now that reporters are now under notice that they have to be armed in order to shoot to kill Republican politicians that physically asault them? You know- “Stand your Ground” and all that. Surely Republicans would support that, right?

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Anymouse  May 26, 2017 • 3:47:28am

re: #94 Barefoot Grin

I was just thinking this. Of course, the attitude has to be combined with unassailable wealth to pull off.

Over at Wonkette, someone posted a picture of Montana Max (of “Tiny Toons”) to represent Greg Gianforte.

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Anymouse  May 26, 2017 • 3:48:41am

re: #97 Rocky-in-Connecticut

So has it come to the point now that reporters are now under notice that they have to be armed in order to shoot to kill Republican politicians that physically asault them? You know- “Stand your Ground” and all that. Surely Republicans would support that, right?

I can’t find it now, but a two hundred eighty pound heavyweight boxer on Twitter offered his services to reporters to ask their questions to Republicans.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2017 • 3:49:06am

re: #96 Anymouse

… every single one of which voted for Hillary Clinton, according to wingnuts.

I’d move to a blue state, but that won’t help (plus that takes money I don’t have and as a middle-aged disabled vet couldn’t get hired for anything). The best I can do is try to fight the good fight in red state central.

Illegals wanted to be able to stay here, mooch off our social system and commit crimes (against white women) with impunity. Of course they voted for Hillary, who actively came out in favor of allowing them to do just that…

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Anymouse  May 26, 2017 • 3:51:29am

re: #100 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Illegals wanted to be able to stay here, mooch off our social system and commit crimes (against white women) with impunity, Of course they voted for Hillary, who actively came out in favor of allowing them to do just that…

/

I’ve never had a Muslim or a Latino give me cause for concern at all.

On the other hand, I had a wingnut roommate who pointed a loaded rifle at me and threatened to kill me. (He was a bit off the rails, I talked him down and took the rifle and unloaded it.)

I am much more scared of wingnuts than Muslims or Latinos.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2017 • 3:53:03am

re: #101 Anymouse

I’ve never had a Muslim or a Latino give me cause for concern at all.

On the other hand, I had a wingnut roommate who pointed a loaded rifle at me and threatened to kill me. (He was a bit off the rails, I talked him down and took the rifle and unloaded it.)

I am much more scared of wingnuts than Muslims or Latinos.

Terror is only terror if the perpetrator is brown-skinned.

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Anymouse  May 26, 2017 • 3:56:42am

Off-topic: It’s not yet 5AM in Mythical Time Zone, and the sun is already coming up. I hate Daylight Saving Time, just so you know.

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Anymouse  May 26, 2017 • 4:00:30am

re: #102 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Terror is only terror if the perpetrator is brown-skinned.

Had a wingnut in my village that attacked me in someone else’s house because I dared note the facts about the atomic attack on Hiroshima in a discussion about WW2. Guy was about twice my size and grabbed me by the throat (he was also drunk). My wife had to beat him off me with her cane.

He then went into “liberal snowflake” mode claiming I had to be defended by a woman. (Damn right, and I’m glad she did.)

Fortunately that ass doesn’t live here any more. (Unfortunately for Colorado Springs he lives there.)

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Timothy Watson  May 26, 2017 • 4:01:54am

Quinnipiac University poll:

President Trump is not honest, voters say 59 - 36 percent. Voter opinions of most of Trump’s personal qualities remain negative:

- 57 - 40 percent that he does not have good leadership skills;
- 56 - 42 percent that he does not care about average Americans;
- 65 - 31 percent that he is not level-headed;
- 64 - 33 percent that he is a strong person;
- 57 - 40 percent that he is intelligent;

- 62 - 36 percent that he does not share their values.

poll.qu.edu

On what basis would any poll respondent say Trump is a “strong person”? He’s a 70 year old manchild.

Or intelligent? Is this the result of Calvinism on the body politic? Any person who has money must be intelligent, QED?

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Anymouse  May 26, 2017 • 4:04:32am

re: #105 Timothy Watson

Quinnipiac University poll:

poll.qu.edu

On what basis would any poll respondent say Trump is a “strong person”? He’s a 70 year old manchild.

Or intelligent? Is this the result of Calvinism on the body politic? Any person who has money must intelligent, QED?

Strong person but not level headed? That’s a good combination.
Intelligent but all those negatives?

What did Quinnipiac do, use a random-number generator?

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sagehen  May 26, 2017 • 4:12:06am

re: #79 freetoken

This is what CBS is going to try with the new Star Trek series - get people to pay for the on-demand CBS service. I don’t subscribe, though if you are willing to accept limited commercials the CBS over-the-top service isn’t too much ($6/mo.)

That *is* too much.

I pay $8/mo for Hulu, which gives me all the other networks’ programming, plus originals, commercial-free.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 4:21:14am

such a precious snowflake

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2017 • 4:21:51am

re: #105 Timothy Watson

Quinnipiac University poll:

poll.qu.edu

On what basis would any poll respondent say Trump is a “strong person”? He’s a 70 year old manchild.

Or intelligent? Is this the result of Calvinism on the body politic? Any person who has money must be intelligent, QED?

…not just intelligent, but bursting with Inner Grace.

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Anymouse  May 26, 2017 • 4:30:51am

re: #107 sagehen

That *is* too much.

I pay $8/mo for Hulu, which gives me all the other networks’ programming, plus originals, commercial-free.

We have Hulu’s premium service here. (Surprise, if you write them they will take cheques for payment in lieu of a credit card.)

We now get to go to sleep with nightmares over The Handmaid’s Tale - though actually it’s my wife that has the nightmares as I apparently don’t dream.

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Weaselone  May 26, 2017 • 4:47:11am

re: #106 Anymouse

Strong person but not level headed? That’s a good combination.
Intelligent but all those negatives?

What did Quinnipiac do, use a random-number generator?

Poll makes sense to me.
1. Just underscores that at best most Americans can’t distinguish strength from bravado, and quite possibly prefer the latter to the former.
2. He’s wealthy so he must be smart. He also won the election so he must be smarter than all the candidates he beat.

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darthstar  May 26, 2017 • 5:12:06am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 26, 2017 • 5:14:47am

The American conservative public is almost unanimous in thinking that Europe is a bunch of moochers who suck US taxpayers dry to provide them with security so they can fund their own social moocher programs.

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darthstar  May 26, 2017 • 5:15:43am

re: #113 darthstar

Jesus…watch Trump’s reaction at not getting first, second, or third greeting from Macron.
He tries to pull Macron into him.

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Danack  May 26, 2017 • 5:27:30am

May I present, a trump voter:

Angry pedestrian gets instant karma

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Dr. Matt  May 26, 2017 • 5:29:14am
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Dr. Matt  May 26, 2017 • 5:29:46am

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Joe Bacon  May 26, 2017 • 5:35:44am

re: #22 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Or news organizations are going to have to budget for armed bodyguards for their reporters who have to cover Republican politicians and their constituents.

Unless you’re Cillizza, Fournier, Halperin, Sean Insanity or Jeffery Lord who will continue to kiss Trump’s ass 24/7!

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Joe Bacon  May 26, 2017 • 5:37:53am

re: #17 Charles Johnson

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Wow, Assmunchkin puts Twittler at 48%.

That means 52% believe Mussoweeney is the biggest asshole ever put in the Oval Office…

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Joe Bacon  May 26, 2017 • 5:40:09am

re: #28 Apocalypse

Since when was Communism a religion?
//

Talk to my friends who fled the USSR in the 80s before it collapsed. All of them will tell you that American megachurches act exactly the same way as Soviet Communist Party cells did.

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jeffreyw  May 26, 2017 • 5:41:28am

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Good morning, kitteh printer needs more toner!

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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 5:44:30am
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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 5:51:25am

Two co-workers are whispering. I want to bang their heads together and tell them that’s it’s more disrupting than if they would just speak in a normal tone of voice.

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lawhawk  May 26, 2017 • 5:52:18am

Greets and saluts from the resistance in the soggy and drying out NYC metro area.

Looks like the outcome was as expected. Gianforte won, but it was a lot closer than anyone thought it would be. Early voting was the key reason Gianforte won; and this is a district that has solidly gone R for years. That there was even a 5 point spread shows just how badly the GOP may be doing nationally.

Consider too that you’ve got total scumbags like Grover Norquist crowing about a jack booted thug assaulting a reporter all because he supports tax cuts.

These right wing extremists don’t have a problem at all with assaulting reporters. Fox News also seems to think that tying the violence back to Trump is a scam, even though Trump’s goons attacked reporters, and his supporters had no issues assaulting people who came to protest Trump.

Mind you too that Trump issued a statement congratulating Gianforte, completely ignoring the assault altogether. Once again, Trump condones a violent act when done in service to the party.

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ipsos  May 26, 2017 • 5:53:41am

re: #103 Anymouse

Off-topic: It’s not yet 5AM in Mythical Time Zone, and the sun is already coming up. I hate Daylight Saving Time, just so you know.

Huh? If you were on MST instead of MDT, it would be “not yet 4AM” and the sun would be coming up.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 26, 2017 • 5:54:41am

re: #90 MegPasadena

Besides, why does he think 48% is something to be proud of?

We shouldn’t be looking at approval ratings to determine whether someone is a good President. It’s not as though our country is the home of wise men and women whose judgement should be respected. After all, Reagan was far more popular than Carter, although on almost every issue he was wrong.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 5:54:49am

Another convicted felon heard from:

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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 5:57:32am

Some random wingnut on Twitter (not embedding because I blocked it already):

WHY U LIBTARDS SAY IT’S SO TERRIBUL WHUT GIANFORTE DID WHEN U CHEER & MAKE MEMES OUT OF RICHARD SPENCER GETTING HIS FACE PUNCHED BY VIOLENT TERRIST ANTIFA!!!!!

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Belafon  May 26, 2017 • 6:01:08am

re: #129 The Vicious Babushka

Some random wingnut on Twitter (not embedding because I blocked it already):

WHY U LIBTARDS SAY IT’S SO TERRIBUL WHUT GIANFORTE DID WHEN U CHEER & MAKE MEMES OUT OF RICHARD SPENCER GETTING HIS FACE PUNCHED BY VIOLENT TERRIST ANTIFA!!!!!

Because I’m all for fighting Nazis. Sometimes, there’s no equivalent.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  May 26, 2017 • 6:02:52am

re: #35 Nyet

Well, I’m an agnostic atheist too, as it happens.

An agnostic doesn’t know. An atheist doesn’t believe. There’s a certain amount of overlapping there.

An apatheist (raises his hand) doesn’t give a fuck whether there are gods or not.

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Dave In Austin  May 26, 2017 • 6:16:38am
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Skip Intro  May 26, 2017 • 6:18:16am

What I don’t get is why voters keep electing multi millionaires/billionaires to represent them. Do they really think these people give one tiny damn about them and their concerns?

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prairiefire  May 26, 2017 • 6:19:03am

Time to drive over to NE Kansas to decorate ancestors’ graves. I’ll tell them the Union still stands, but, oh, what a price!

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Dr Lizardo  May 26, 2017 • 6:26:49am

re: #133 Skip Intro

What I don’t get is why voters keep electing multi millionaires/billionaires to represent them. Do they really think these people give one tiny damn about them and their concerns?

It’s worship of the rich. Some would call that idolatry, but well, that’s just my opinion, man.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 6:31:50am

re: #49 teleskiguy

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I’M SORRY I HIT YOU, BABY! YOU KNOW I LOVE YOU! PLEASE FORGIVE ME, TAKE ME BACK!

After he lied and tried to blame Jacobs for it. He never would have apologized had he lost.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 6:34:42am

re: #128 The Vicious Babushka

Another convicted felon heard from:

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Yeah Dinesh that’s what it shows. FUck off, fascist toady

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 6:35:43am

DAmn it lost all my phone contacts. Shit, shit. Sometimes I hate living in the modern world. And now my phone’s not turning on at all. Any tips?

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Joe Bacon  May 26, 2017 • 6:38:49am

re: #133 Skip Intro

What I don’t get is why voters keep electing multi millionaires/billionaires to represent them. Do they really think these people give one tiny damn about them and their concerns?

Millions of brainwashed marks really believe that they will win the next Powerball jackpot.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 6:38:59am

How on earth can you spin a narrow victory by a Republican who was both loaded and was running in a state that Trump won by 20 points. Yeah, Dems should be disappointed by this one but if you think the Dems “lost” and the Republicans simply “won”, I got beach front property in Missoula to offer. But then again, maybe it’s to our advantage that they’re thinking that just win baby is enough. I knew we were in for a tough year when Walker beat Coakley in that MA special election.

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Belafon  May 26, 2017 • 6:40:28am

re: #138 HappyWarrior

DAmn it lost all my phone contacts. Shit, shit. Sometimes I hate living in the modern world. And now my phone’s not turning on at all. Any tips?

Plug it into a charger and wait 15 minutes and then see if it turns on. If not, did you store your contacts on the internet? Did you store them on the sim or an sd card? If so, you should be able to recover them on a new phone.

And you don’t hate living in the modern world. What you hate is finding out that you’re too dependent on the conveniences of the modern world, because you find that out at the most inconvenient times.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 6:40:39am

re: #133 Skip Intro

What I don’t get is why voters keep electing multi millionaires/billionaires to represent them. Do they really think these people give one tiny damn about them and their concerns?

We’re a funny people. We hate intellectual elites but we often love it when they’re our better in other ways. And not underestimate shared resentments. Gianforte was able to pander to the shared resentments of Montanans more than Quist could or wouldn’t.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 6:42:27am

re: #133 Skip Intro

What I don’t get is why voters keep electing multi millionaires/billionaires to represent them. Do they really think these people give one tiny damn about them and their concerns?

HURR HURR HILLARY & OBAMA ARE ALSO MULTI MILLIONAIRES WALL STREETERS HURR HURR WHY U VOTE 4 THEM LIBTARD!!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 6:43:17am

re: #141 Belafon

Plug it into a charger and wait 15 minutes and then see if it turns on. If not, did you store your contacts on the internet? Did you store them on the sim or an sd card? If so, you should be able to recover them on a new phone.

And you don’t hate living in the modern world. What you hate is finding out that you’re too dependent on the conveniences of the modern world, because you find that out at the most inconvenient times.

I’ll try that thanks. I didn’t back tem up but they should be on the SIM Card I think. I. Yeah it’s hating finding out on the conveniences obviously. Trust me, I have terrible handwriting, I can’t imaging having a degree let alone my current job without the computer.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 6:43:54am

re: #143 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR HILLARY & OBAMA ARE ALSO MULTI MILLIONAIRES WALL STREETERS HURR HURR WHY U VOTE 4 THEM LIBTARD!!!!!!

HURR HURR HILLARY & OBAMA ARE ALSO MULTI MILLIONAIRES WALL STREETERS HURR HURR WHY U VOTE 4 THEM BOTH PARTYS ARE TEH SAMES!!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 6:44:05am

re: #143 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR HILLARY & OBAMA ARE ALSO MULTI MILLIONAIRES WALL STREETERS HURR HURR WHY U VOTE 4 THEM LIBTARD!!!!!!

Obama and Clinton, both people who gag me pulled themselves up by the bootsraps are elites but people like Romney and Trump should be admired for their wealth!

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 6:45:22am

re: #145 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR HILLARY & OBAMA ARE ALSO MULTI MILLIONAIRES WALL STREETERS HURR HURR WHY U VOTE 4 THEM BOTH PARTYS ARE TEH SAMES!!!!!!

Yet they also accept Sanders and Stein who aren’t exactly running their campaigns from town houses.

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Belafon  May 26, 2017 • 6:47:18am

re: #145 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR HILLARY & OBAMA ARE ALSO MULTI MILLIONAIRES WALL STREETERS HURR HURR WHY U VOTE 4 THEM BOTH PARTYS ARE TEH SAMES!!!!!!

And there’s a subtle point in both of your mocking statements. We don’t hate millionaires. We can’t stand millionaires that think they made it on their own and who don’t think they owe something to society for their good fortune, something beyond “Look at me. Maybe one day you can be successful like me.”

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 6:47:28am

I did try to remember a lot of my important contacts for family, friends, campaign people, work, and other stuff. Might not be a bad thing to get a fresh start anyhow. Still annoying and there’s still a chance that I can get these retrievd too.

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ChuckJager95  May 26, 2017 • 6:48:53am

re: #136 HappyWarrior

Exactly. It’s so much easier to be magnanimous in victory.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 26, 2017 • 6:50:46am

re: #133 Skip Intro

What I don’t get is why voters keep electing multi millionaires/billionaires to represent them. Do they really think these people give one tiny damn about them and their concerns?

Thanks to Citizens United, you have to be pretty loaded to even consider a run for office.

Most people can’t afford the buy in.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 6:51:40am

re: #150 ChuckJager95

Exactly. It’s so much easier to be magnanimous in victory.

I mean I’m sure Jacobs appreciates the apology but when he was still fighting for his life, Gianforte’s campaign and their allies in the media and in politics were blaming Jacobs and Jacobs’ politics for it. If I have to hear from FNC and right wing politicians that Greg Gianfforte is a good guy because he apologized to Ben Jacobs, I’m going ot hurl because literally yesterday they were blaming Jacobs and denying what happened.

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Belafon  May 26, 2017 • 6:51:45am

re: #149 HappyWarrior

I did try to remember a lot of my important contacts for family, friends, campaign people, work, and other stuff. Might not be a bad thing to get a fresh start anyhow. Still annoying and there’s still a chance that I can get these retrievd too.

Afterwards, I would look at storing those online. AT&T will do it automatically.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 6:53:19am

re: #151 Eclectic Cyborg

Thanks to Citizens United, you have to be pretty loaded to even consider a run for office.

Most people can’t afford the buy in.

The other thing Citizens United has done is created what I call political pimps like the Kochs and Adelson and Foster Freiss who are too odious to run for office in their own right or have no desire to do so but find their own candidates to groom.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 6:53:35am

re: #153 Belafon

Afterwards, I would look at storing those online. AT&T will do it automatically.

How about Verizon?

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 26, 2017 • 6:53:48am

re: #153 Belafon

Afterwards, I would look at storing those online. AT&T will do it automatically.

Actually that service ended earlier this year. Ask me how I know. :P

Fortunately I had a slightly older contacts backup on my SD card so I didn’t have to chase down too many numbers.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 6:56:08am

So the SD card backs up your numbers even if the phone itself won’t start up or are deleted? I really should have created a contacts database last night. AGh. Again, it’s not the end of the world. Some of my contacts I can just get from people. It’s just annoying, ya know?

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Belafon  May 26, 2017 • 6:58:44am

re: #155 HappyWarrior

How about Verizon?

Do you have an android phone: google.com

If you have an iphone, there’s an app. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was an android app as well.

re: #156 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ll have to ask my son what he’s doing now, that’s how I knew.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 6:59:11am

It’s disappointing that Quist didn’t win. I honestly thought this one was winnable but in the end, you had a big hurdle to cross when the state was won by Trump just last month by 20 points. As people have said though, if you can get a 14 point swing nationwide next fal, that’s huge.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 6:59:34am

re: #158 Belafon

Do you have an android phone: google.com

If you have an iphone, there’s an app. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was an android app as well.

I’ll have to ask my son what he’s doing now, that’s how I knew.

I have an iPhone, yeah.

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Belafon  May 26, 2017 • 6:59:47am

re: #157 HappyWarrior

So the SD card backs up your numbers even if the phone itself won’t start up or are deleted? I really should have created a contacts database last night. AGh. Again, it’s not the end of the world. Some of my contacts I can just get from people. It’s just annoying, ya know?

The SD card is just external storage, like an external hard drive for your laptop.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 26, 2017 • 7:00:11am

re: #157 HappyWarrior

No, you have to manually back them up to an SD card but one good thing about keeping them there is they will survive if the phone crashes/won’t power on etc.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 7:01:02am

re: #161 Belafon

The SD card is just external storage, like an external hard drive for your laptop.

Ah okay. So probably no way to recover these contacts unless I can get my phone to boot up. Not the end of the world. It happens to people all the time and I really needed to clean up some of my contacts anyhow.

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Belafon  May 26, 2017 • 7:01:02am

re: #159 HappyWarrior

It’s disappointing that Quist didn’t win. I honestly thought this one was winnable but in the end, you had a big hurdle to cross when the state was won by Trump just last month by 20 points. As people have said though, if you can get a 14 point swing nationwide next fal, that’s huge.

A 14 point national swing next year would put Democrats in a clear majority in the House, and would put the Senate in play.

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Belafon  May 26, 2017 • 7:02:08am

re: #163 HappyWarrior

Ah okay. So probably no way to recover these contacts unless I can get my phone to boot up. Not the end of the world. It happens to people all the time and I really needed to clean up some of my contacts anyhow.

If they were backed up there, and that’s an if I don’t know about with your phone, they could be read in a new phone. But you do have to set up your phone to put things on it.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 7:02:44am

re: #164 Belafon

A 14 point national swing next year would put Democrats in a clear majority in the House, and would put the Senate in play.

Way too early to know if that’s going to happen or not but I really don’t see how you can swing Quist’s defeat as a pure victory for the GOP and a pure loss for the Dems. Where’s pedantic Victor David Hanson when you need him and his Greek history knowledge, this is a classic Pyrrhic victory if I ever saw one.

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Skip Intro  May 26, 2017 • 7:03:18am

re: #151 Eclectic Cyborg

Thanks to Citizens United, you have to be pretty loaded to even consider a run for office.

Most people can’t afford the buy in.

We’re talking about a congressman from Montana here, not a presidential election.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 7:03:32am

re: #165 Belafon

If they were backed up there, and that’s an if I don’t know about with your phone, they could be read in a new phone. But you do have to set up your phone to put things on it.

I think they may have automatically be backed up. Anyhow, thanks. If I lost them, I lost them, if I kept them, I kept them.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 7:04:34am

By the way, if there’s that sort of swing in GA-06, you can say hello to Congressman Ossoff.

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wheat-dogg  May 26, 2017 • 7:13:32am

re: #169 HappyWarrior

By the way, if there’s that sort of swing in GA-06, you can say hello to Congressman Ossoff.

It ain’t got a thing if it ain’t got that swing, doo wop doo wop doo wop doo wop doo wah!

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 26, 2017 • 7:13:45am

re: #167 Skip Intro

Running for congress in any state isn’t cheap.

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Dr Lizardo  May 26, 2017 • 7:15:54am

Well, don’t this beat all………even the Buddhists are getting into anime.

Stories of Buddhist Sutras: Amitabha Sutra (English Caption)

This is Pure Land Buddhism; I’m most familiar with its Japanese variant, Jodo Shinshu. This video is about Chinese Pure Land Buddhism.

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Weaselone  May 26, 2017 • 7:18:25am

re: #166 HappyWarrior

I was going to say it probably wasn’t a pyhrric victory, but then I remembered that the Republican aligned groups dumped an order of magnitude more cash into this race than the Dems. Fast forward to 2018 and if Gianforte or Trump piss off a few more people in Montana, that seat is flipping to the Democrats.

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lawhawk  May 26, 2017 • 7:18:49am

re: #159 HappyWarrior

Zinke won by 14. Trump won that district by 20.

Gianforte won by 5.

That’s the right direction for the Democrats to build from. GOPers have to be wondering how they can combat that kind of support erosion given that the GOP is intent on enabling Trump and gutting the safety net simultaneously. Those are incompatible with the GOP winning and maintaining control in the House next year.

What Democrats need to do is make sure that their voters get out and vote. That’s on the state and local Democratic party apparatus - not the DNC.

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Barefoot Grin  May 26, 2017 • 7:18:58am

This breakdown of the Turkish security thugs and their individual actions by the NYT is amazing:

nytimes.com

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Belafon  May 26, 2017 • 7:19:16am

An interesting comment in an analysis of the race from someone in Montana. :

Healthcare has the potential to be that issue, but it really hasn’t caught fire yet, I think because nobody’s sure where exactly we’re headed yet, and GOP voters aren’t willing to turn on them until they see the end result.

I do wonder if, as long as Democrats are representative enough to keep Republicans from implementing everything, that people won’t learn a lesson.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 26, 2017 • 7:19:39am

Gianforte apologized only because there were 3rd party witnesses who provided a narrative that supported the reporter. Remember, his original storyline bore no resemblance to the truth. Unless they are caught red-handed, they lie. I am very disheartened by this victory and what it says about this country, although given the number of people who voted early, it may not say as much about support for violence as it does about support for the despicable Republican agenda.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 7:22:49am

re: #174 lawhawk

Exactly.

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Weaselone  May 26, 2017 • 7:23:20am

re: #171 Eclectic Cyborg

Running for congress in any state isn’t cheap.

Especially considering running for Congress is not a part time job. Basically restricts the job to the well-to-do and the retired.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 7:23:25am

re: #177 Hecuba’s daughter

Gianforte apologized only because there were 3rd party witnesses who provided a narrative that supported the reporter. Remember, his original storyline bore no resemblance to the truth. Unless they are caught red-handed, they lie. I am very disheartened by this victory and what it says about this country, although given the number of people who voted early, it may not say as much about support for violence as it does about support for the despicable Republican agenda.

Not to defend the voters but a lot of people had voted by mail before the incident took place. That said, I agree whole heartily.

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lawhawk  May 26, 2017 • 7:24:45am

re: #176 Belafon

Then consider this thread:

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 7:25:24am

I want to point something out though since Brian was saying that Sanders ruined this for us. Brian Schweitzer endorsed Quist long before Sanders did. You guys know I’m far from a Sanders fan but blaming him last night did rub me the wrong way.

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Interesting Times  May 26, 2017 • 7:25:29am

re: #174 lawhawk

What Democrats need to do is make sure that their voters get out and vote. That’s on the state and local Democratic party apparatus - not the DNC.

That’s right. GOPer voters are evil, fascist enablers at worst, hopelessly brainwashed cultists at best. The best Dems can hope for (in the short term, anyway) is that they simply won’t bother to vote when things get bad enough.

So…increased Dem turnout plus depressed GOPer turnout (esp. in heavily gerrymandered districts) is the formula to rack up some wins.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 7:26:35am

re: #181 lawhawk

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I’m sure they’d be singing the same tune if Quist so much as raised his voice against a BReitbart reporter. //

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Barefoot Grin  May 26, 2017 • 7:27:15am

Also, nearly 10x the $ were put into Gianforte campaign than Quist. This is another huge disadvantage for Dems.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 7:27:26am
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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 7:28:45am

re: #181 lawhawk

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I’ve seen this guy Clymer’s posts before. He’s very good. He’d make a good Lizard.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 7:29:16am

re: #185 Barefoot Grin

Also, nearly 10x the $ were put into Gianforte campaign than Quist. This is another huge disadvantage for Dems.

Yup.

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nines09  May 26, 2017 • 7:29:42am

When you are out meeting leaders and dignitaries and the theme song from The Flintstones starts playing on a loop in your head…

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Belafon  May 26, 2017 • 7:29:46am

re: #181 lawhawk

I will have to consider that thread later, since I can’t do twitter at work.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 26, 2017 • 7:31:21am

Here in Illinois the two leading Democratic contenders for governor are the billionaire Pritzker and the multi-millionaire Kennedy. Thanks to Citizens United, we are now living in a society where only the rich can compete. Your voice cannot be heard if you do not have the resources to dominate the media. That said, either candidate would be a vast improvement over the incumbent and they both have far more concern about the average citizen than anyone who belongs to the Republican party.

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Belafon  May 26, 2017 • 7:33:45am

re: #191 Hecuba’s daughter

Here in Illinois the two leading Democratic contenders for governor are the billionaire Pritzker and the multi-millionaire Kennedy. Thanks to Citizens United, we are now living in a society where only the rich can compete. Your voice cannot be heard if you do not have the resources to dominate the media. That said, either candidate would be a vast improvement over the incumbent and they both have far more concern about the average citizen than anyone who belongs to the Republican party.

Has there ever been a governor’s race that didn’t require you to be wealthy? Here in Texas, you pretty much have to be wealthy to run for the legislature, since it doesn’t pay enough for you to live on (90 days every other year at minimum wage).

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lawhawk  May 26, 2017 • 7:34:35am

re: #185 Barefoot Grin

Two ways to look at that.

Gianforte spent 10x as much to win the seat by 2/3 less margin than Zinke did.

It’s not always how much (but it helps), but who and what. Issues do matter as does personal character and judgment. The GOP has thrown character and judgment out the window entirely, as they back a sex predator as president, and look the other way as their nominee in this MT race assaulted a reporter.

That’s why Democrats have to make sure that they get their turnout in these races, and try to peel off independents and moderates.

Ganforte’s intention is the same as the rest of the GOP - to gut Obamacare and push tax cuts for the rich on the backs of everyone else. Democrats need to cut ads on all this to remind everyone what’s really at stake for their own communities.

They can go granular with ads like this in every district focusing on how many will lose health coverage if the GOP gets their way. There are websites that are already crunching the numbers, so that you can know that nearly 50,000 lose coverage in Ryan’s Wisconsin district. That’s neighbors, family, friends’ parents/grandparents/kids who lose coverage so Ryan can deliver the sweet tax cuts to the rich.

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wheat-dogg  May 26, 2017 • 7:36:58am

re: #189 nines09

That’s the second time he’s done that, IIRC. The first time was that signing ceremony, when he said some words to the press from the podium, and walked toward the door, leaving the EOs to be signed on the desk.

By the way, the Trumpitos are spinning the Trump-shove as a “man hug” of the Montenegro leader. I saw it “explained” while poking around Steemit. A “body language expert” says Trump’s grabbing of the other man’s upper arm and maneuvering around his side to get in front of him to beam at the camera was a friendly gesture, not a shove.

I call BS, but given Trump’s inability to relate to normal people in a normal way, maybe he does consider it a gesture of affection.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 7:38:11am

re: #194 wheat-dogg

That’s the second time he’s done that, IIRC. The first time was that signing ceremony, when he said some words to the press from the podium, and walked toward the door, leaving the EOs to be signed on the desk.

By the way, the Trumpitos are spinning the Trump-shove as a “man hug” of the Montenegro leader. I saw it “explained” while poking around Steemit. A “body language expert” says Trump’s grabbing of the other man’s upper arm and maneuvering around his side to get in front of him to beam at the camera was a friendly gesture, not a shove.

I call BS, but given Trump’s inability to relate to normal people in a normal way, maybe he does consider it a gesture of affection.

A man hug……….Seriously?

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 7:39:17am

FFS wingnuts have justified shooting people for lesser thigns than shoving someone.

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lawhawk  May 26, 2017 • 7:40:13am
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wheat-dogg  May 26, 2017 • 7:41:55am

re: #196 HappyWarrior

FFS wingnuts have justified shooting people for lesser thigns than shoving someone.

As Trump once famously said, he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and his supporters would still vote for him. He Can Do No Wrong™ in the eyes of the truly faithful.

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lawhawk  May 26, 2017 • 7:42:27am

re: #194 wheat-dogg

That was a shove, and in no way any kind of show of affection. It was done so Trump could smugly get to the front of the line for the photographers/video.

He shows nothing but contempt for those people who don’t give him shiny baubles and lie to him. He’s got a fact-free worldview he needs to maintain, and that’s why he acts as he does around the EU leaders.

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lawhawk  May 26, 2017 • 7:43:00am
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Hecuba's daughter  May 26, 2017 • 7:43:59am

re: #192 Belafon

Has there ever been a governor’s race that didn’t require you to be wealthy? Here in Texas, you pretty much have to be wealthy to run for the legislature, since it doesn’t pay enough for you to live on (90 days every other year at minimum wage).

Our three governors before Rauner, Pat Quinn, Rod Blagojevich, and George Ryan were not wealthy men. Of course two of them ended up in prison — but it’s Illinois.

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Dr Lizardo  May 26, 2017 • 7:44:58am

re: #198 wheat-dogg

As Trump once famously said, he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and his supporters would still vote for him. He Can Do No Wrong™ in the eyes of the truly faithful.

You know who else Could Do No Wrong in the eyes of his faithful?

This guy:

Rev. Jim Jones of Peoples Temple

and we all know how that ended.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 7:45:21am

re: #200 lawhawk

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or education. Stop prioritizing guns over people, assholes.

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Barefoot Grin  May 26, 2017 • 7:45:37am

re: #193 lawhawk

Two ways to look at that.

Gianforte spent 10x as much to win the seat by 2/3 less margin than Zinke did.

It’s not always how much (but it helps), but who and what. Issues do matter as does personal character and judgment. The GOP has thrown character and judgment out the window entirely, as they back a sex predator as president, and look the other way as their nominee in this MT race assaulted a reporter.

That’s why Democrats have to make sure that they get their turnout in these races, and try to peel off independents and moderates.

Ganforte’s intention is the same as the rest of the GOP - to gut Obamacare and push tax cuts for the rich on the backs of everyone else. Democrats need to cut ads on all this to remind everyone what’s really at stake for their own communities.

They can go granular with ads like this in every district focusing on how many will lose health coverage if the GOP gets their way. There are websites that are already crunching the numbers, so that you can know that nearly 50,000 lose coverage in Ryan’s Wisconsin district. That’s neighbors, family, friends’ parents/grandparents/kids who lose coverage so Ryan can deliver the sweet tax cuts to the rich.

Thanks. That’s a helpful analysis of how what looks to be insurmountable may not be so.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 26, 2017 • 7:46:03am

re: #200 lawhawk

As I’ve said before there’s something to be said for a country that cares more about the people doing the shooting than the ones who get shot.

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wheat-dogg  May 26, 2017 • 7:46:06am

re: #202 Dr Lizardo

You know who else Could Do No Wrong in the eyes of his faithful?

This guy:

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and we all know how that ended.

Yeah. But Jim Jones was not in the position to take the entire USA down with him.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 7:48:32am

re: #205 Eclectic Cyborg

As I’ve said before there’s something to be said for a country that cares more about the people doing the shooting than the ones who get shot.

I really want the next Dem presidential candidate to call out Wayne LaPierre and the NRA by name. I want those fuckers to be scared.

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Belafon  May 26, 2017 • 7:51:02am

re: #207 HappyWarrior

I really want the next Dem presidential candidate to call out Wayne LaPierre and the NRA by name. I want those fuckers to be scared.

They’re not going to be scared as long as the Republican party is part of their advertising campaign.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 7:54:20am

FLIPS DESK, LIGHTS IT ON FIRE, SHOVES IT OUT THE WINDOW

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 26, 2017 • 7:56:49am

re: #209 The Vicious Babushka

…right before he shoves you out of the way to get in front.

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wheat-dogg  May 26, 2017 • 7:57:39am

re: #209 The Vicious Babushka

FLIPS DESK, LIGHTS IT ON FIRE, SHOVES IT OUT THE WINDOW

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Until you happen to be in harm’s way because Ivanka suggested Daddy launch a missile or two in your general direction.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 7:57:44am

re: #209 The Vicious Babushka

FLIPS DESK, LIGHTS IT ON FIRE, SHOVES IT OUT THE WINDOW

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Yeah Mike, that’s why he repeatedly trashed them in his campaign as “not winning.”

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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 7:58:40am

And it’s hideous

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Belafon  May 26, 2017 • 7:59:57am

re: #212 HappyWarrior

Yeah Mike, that’s why he repeatedly trashed them in his campaign as “not winning.”

He has always backed them, in the same what they Macron was always the person he wanted to win in France.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 8:00:39am

Who remembers when Michelle Obama wore J Crew wingnuts complained HURR HURR SHE WEARS CHEAP DEPARTMENT STORE CRAP and then she was knockout gorgeous in Oscar De La Renta & wingnuts were all HURR HURR THAT N[deleted] SPENDING ALL ARE MONEYS ON DESIGNER GOWNS!!!!!!

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Stanley Sea  May 26, 2017 • 8:00:56am

Ugh.

Need to talk about the caregivers home or at facility & the medicaid paying this.

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lawhawk  May 26, 2017 • 8:07:37am
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 26, 2017 • 8:11:51am

re: #217 lawhawk

Damn…

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Barefoot Grin  May 26, 2017 • 8:12:35am

re: #213 The Vicious Babushka

And it’s hideous

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Gotta cut taxes on the 1%! They’re suffering.

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FormerDirtDart  May 26, 2017 • 8:13:40am

FTFH-
Conservatives now appealing to the Divine Right of WHITE REPUBLICAN Presidents

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wheat-dogg  May 26, 2017 • 8:14:07am

re: #217 lawhawk

TFW when you’re a crook and you call the cops because someone robbed you.

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Belafon  May 26, 2017 • 8:16:06am

re: #220 FormerDirtDart

FTFH-
Conservatives now appealing to the Divine Right of WHITE REPUBLICAN Presidents

What’s the short version since I can’t read this at work?

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Dr Lizardo  May 26, 2017 • 8:17:13am

re: #222 Belafon

What’s the short version since I can’t read this at work?

“Donald Trump was chosen by God. Democrats need to leave him alone.”

That’s really what it says.

Oy vey.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:17:14am

re: #220 FormerDirtDart

FTFH-
Conservatives now appealing to the Divine Right of WHITE REPUBLICAN Presidents

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OFFS.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:17:36am

re: #222 Belafon

What’s the short version since I can’t read this at work?

Pretty simple, Trump was chosen by God, Dems need to leave him alone.

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Joe Bacon  May 26, 2017 • 8:18:49am

re: #220 FormerDirtDart

FTFH-
Conservatives now appealing to the Divine Right of WHITE REPUBLICAN Presidents

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Sure is funny that those racists didn’t apply that same line of reasoning when Obama was President!!!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:18:52am

re: #223 Dr Lizardo

“Donald Trump was chosen by God. Democrats need to leave him alone.”

That’s really what it says.

Oy vey.

It’s really pathetic how in the previous presidency, they questioned his fucking putting mustard on a burger but they get one and now you can’t question him at all. I’m convinced Republicans would accept an absolute monarch if it was a Republican and he promised them “strict constructionist judges”

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:19:40am

re: #226 Joe Bacon

Sure is funny that those racists didn’t apply that same line of reasoning when Obama was President!!!!!!!

WE SHOULD QUESTION OUR GOVERNMENT ALWAYS/ IT IS WHAT PATRIOTS DO.

*Four months later*

TRUMP WAS CHOSEN BY GOD, DON’T QUESTION HIM.

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covfefe  May 26, 2017 • 8:20:47am

re: #108 The Vicious Babushka

Seinfeld : Milos, look at the big baby

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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 8:21:14am
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lawhawk  May 26, 2017 • 8:25:09am
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wheat-dogg  May 26, 2017 • 8:26:32am

Since I’ve been otherwise occupied with real world things, did Louise Mensch follow up on that blockbuster impeachment story she claimed was happening any day now, involving Supreme Court marshals and FISA indictments?

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 26, 2017 • 8:26:44am

re: #231 lawhawk

chosen by God!!

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wheat-dogg  May 26, 2017 • 8:27:46am

re: #233 Eclectic Cyborg

chosen by God!!

Maybe we can arrange for Trump to be swallowed by a whale.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:29:02am

re: #234 wheat-dogg

Maybe we can arrange for Trump to be swallowed by a whale.

You want to make that poor whale sick? We did Trump to ourselves. Leave the poor whale out of it.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 26, 2017 • 8:29:31am

Cliff Richard settles with police over sex abuse reports

Oh, Cliff
Sometimes it must be difficult not to feel as if
You really are a Cliff
When fascists keep trying to push you over it
Are they the lemmings?
Or are you Cliff?
Or are you, Cliff?

-Rick (The peoples poet)

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:29:40am

In a sense, Trump was chosen by God to show how wingnuts will accept anyone that panders to their bullshit.

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SteelPH  May 26, 2017 • 8:29:42am

re: #235 HappyWarrior

You want to make that poor whale sick? We did Trump to ourselves. Leave the poor whale out of it.

Trump is the whale, and therefore eats himself.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 26, 2017 • 8:30:50am

re: #230 The Vicious Babushka

They can’t for the same reason no one can invade North Korea. Both countries have mad leaders with nukes.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:31:39am

re: #238 SteelPH

Trump is the whale, and therefore eats himself.

Aha! Good twist!

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ObserverArt  May 26, 2017 • 8:32:50am

re: #189 nines09

When you are out meeting leaders and dignitaries and the theme song from The Flintstones starts playing on a loop in your head…

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Trump is not right in the head. If he isn’t run out of office soon I don’t know if he can make it through this year. All the stress of the upcoming war with the FBI and Congress is going to really cause him some damage.

He gets out of that chair and acts like he is not really there. It seems like he doesn’t even hear Bibi or see him.

The way he bulled his way to the front yesterday shoving others aside and then just stands there not acknowledging others makes me wonder if he is losing his hearing more and more too.

What a mess Trump is. This is all going to get real ugly in a few months.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:34:00am

Blaming the national Democrats for not pouring more into Quist’s race I think is a dipshit move. I think it was actually to Quist’s benefit that he wasn’t really connected to the national Democratic party in a state like Montana.

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jaunte  May 26, 2017 • 8:35:40am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 26, 2017 • 8:36:03am

re: #241 ObserverArt

Trump is not right in the head. If he isn’t run out of office soon I don’t know if he can make it through this year. All the stress of the upcoming war with the FBI and Congress is going to really cause him some damage.

He gets out of that chair and acts like he is not really there. It seems like he doesn’t even hear Bibi or see him.

The way he bulled his way to the front yesterday shoving others aside and then just stands there not acknowledging others makes me wonder if he is losing his hearing more and more too.

What a mess Trump is. This is all going to get real ugly in a few months.

My understanding is that the lout shoved the PM while getting to his assigned position. he didn’t bully his way to the front, he just can’t move past people without acting crazy.

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jaunte  May 26, 2017 • 8:36:57am

My idiot governor now joking about *shooting* reporters.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 8:39:12am

re: #245 jaunte

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My idiot governor now joking about *shooting* reporters.

How soon until someone actually, literally, straight-up MURDERS a journalist in the United States?

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:39:19am

re: #243 jaunte

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Exactly. I’m sorry but you’re not going to make Montana overnight go Democratic. That race is definitely winnable in 2018 and others like it.

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wheat-dogg  May 26, 2017 • 8:39:49am

re: #241 ObserverArt

Trump is not right in the head. If he isn’t run out of office soon I don’t know if he can make it through this year. All the stress of the upcoming war with the FBI and Congress is going to really cause him some damage.

He gets out of that chair and acts like he is not really there. It seems like he doesn’t even hear Bibi or see him.

The way he bulled his way to the front yesterday shoving others aside and then just stands there not acknowledging others makes me wonder if he is losing his hearing more and more too.

What a mess Trump is. This is all going to get real ugly in a few months.

And we still have no idea what his real physical condition is, from a reliable doctor of medicine. Is he on medication for any reason? Does he need to wear glasses for everyday work? How good is his hearing? His balance? His ticker? His mental faculties? I mean, he’s 70 years old. Realistically speaking, at least one of those conditions should be below par.

He apparently has a poor diet, and does no real exercise. He gets tired easily. These are also bad signs.

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jaunte  May 26, 2017 • 8:39:56am

re: #246 The Vicious Babushka

With all the permissions being granted from the top, it looks inevitable.

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ObserverArt  May 26, 2017 • 8:39:56am

re: #199 lawhawk

That was a shove, and in no way any kind of show of affection. It was done so Trump could smugly get to the front of the line for the photographers/video.

He shows nothing but contempt for those people who don’t give him shiny baubles and lie to him. He’s got a fact-free worldview he needs to maintain, and that’s why he acts as he does around the EU leaders.

Pffft. Fact free? No, he has Trump facts, the best facts. Do you realize how in just a few seconds he can take pages and pages of facts and data and instantly give you the most profound answer to the deepest questions in the universe?

He acts the way he does around others because he is just that much better than everyone else. He ignores them or doesn’t pay attention to them because he doesn’t want to show them up and make them feel bad. Best to act like they aren’t there.

If all those world leaders just realized Trump is one of a kind, they wouldn’t even be getting in his way. They would make way.

Forgive them…for they do not know of The Trump.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:40:07am

re: #245 jaunte

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My idiot governor now joking about *shooting* reporters.

Abbott is such a dweeb. It really is something how W Bush is probably the second best governor y’all have had since Ann Richards was elected.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 8:40:20am

Who wrote this for POS45?

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:40:39am

re: #246 The Vicious Babushka

How soon until someone actually, literally, straight-up MURDERS a journalist in the United States?

TBH surprised it hasn’t yet.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 8:41:13am
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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:41:36am

re: #252 The Vicious Babushka

Who wrote this for POS45?

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And that still won’t be mesesd up enough for the Pam Gelelrs of the world who probably would have him wanted to wish a happy Ramadan in pig’s blood “to piss off the Muslims.”

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jaunte  May 26, 2017 • 8:42:44am
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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:42:48am

How messed up is it that W Bush actually looks eloquent next to this guy? Maybe I was a little too hard on Dubya in hindsight but in many ways he deserved his criticisms though not in the way his administration treated Muslims especially American ones.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 8:43:11am

re: #253 HappyWarrior

TBH surprised it hasn’t yet.

It has already happened in Russia.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:43:21am

re: #256 jaunte

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The Fake News Media*

*Except our friends at Fox, Gateway Pundit, Drudge, Breitbart

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wheat-dogg  May 26, 2017 • 8:43:26am

re: #252 The Vicious Babushka

I can hardly wait for his Eid al-fitr greetings next month. //

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sagehen  May 26, 2017 • 8:43:39am

re: #230 The Vicious Babushka

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I’m sorta hoping Germany and NATO will decide that Russia/Trump is a we’ve been attacked situation… and they leap to our defense by releasing any and all information they can gather. Maybe even bring a case at the World Court.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:43:40am

re: #258 The Vicious Babushka

It has already happened in Russia.

No doubt but you specified in the U.S.

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lawhawk  May 26, 2017 • 8:43:44am

re: #250 ObserverArt

Pffft. Fact free? No, he has Trump facts, the best facts. Do you realize how in just a few seconds he can take pages and pages of facts and data and instantly give you the most profound answer to the deepest questions in the universe?

42.

That’s how it’s done.

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FormerDirtDart  May 26, 2017 • 8:43:47am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 26, 2017 • 8:44:13am

re: #246 The Vicious Babushka

How soon until someone actually, literally, straight-up MURDERS a journalist in the United States?

Soon. And either that wakes up the fantasy-prone right, or we have to start arming up to be the American resistance as America becomes a fascist country.

I’m hoping these morons wake up from the radicalized stupor wingnut media put them in.

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Barefoot Grin  May 26, 2017 • 8:44:22am

The emerging climate of menace and intimidation against journalists simply demonstrates how badly we need those dogged journos who pursue facts in service of the truth and the determination of those who should be held to account want to escape scrutiny.

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Semper Fi  May 26, 2017 • 8:44:40am

re: #241 ObserverArt

Trump is not right in the head. If he isn’t run out of office soon I don’t know if he can make it through this year. All the stress of the upcoming war with the FBI and Congress is going to really cause him some damage.
What a mess Trump is. This is all going to get real ugly in a few months.

Every week and sometimes daily its something new from him…and none of it is good.

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wheat-dogg  May 26, 2017 • 8:45:12am

re: #258 The Vicious Babushka

It has already happened in Russia.

China is more subtle. Journalists and human rights lawyers just disappear.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:45:24am

re: #264 FormerDirtDart

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Boehner looks like frigging Tip O’Neill next to Ryan.

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SteelPH  May 26, 2017 • 8:45:28am

re: #264 FormerDirtDart

Boehner, you were part of the process that enabled this bloviating sack of garbage. Go to all of the Hells.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 26, 2017 • 8:45:43am

re: #246 The Vicious Babushka

How soon until someone actually, literally, straight-up MURDERS a journalist in the United States?

Too soon.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:45:54am

re: #270 SteelPH

Boehner, you were part of the process that enable this bloviating sack of garbage. Go to all of the Hells.

That certainly is true as well.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 26, 2017 • 8:46:15am

re: #260 wheat-dogg

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 26, 2017 • 8:46:40am

re: #268 wheat-dogg

China is more subtle. Journalists and human rights lawyers just disappear.

Sounds like Argentina in the 70s.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:46:49am

In a sense, we do have a cultuer that doesn’t value life but it’s not what the anti-abortionists think that means. It’s people who think they can bring a gun on whoever and whenever. It’s people who think it’s okay to attack someone the way Gianforte did. ETc.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 8:47:09am
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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:47:22am

re: #274 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Sounds like Argentina in the 70s.

That was my first thought too. The Processo Regime, a regime that Reagan’s administration coddled after the Carter administration to their credit back off of.

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SteelPH  May 26, 2017 • 8:47:41am

re: #275 HappyWarrior

In a sense, we do have a cultuer that doesn’t value life but it’s not what the anti-abortionists think that means. It’s people who think they can bring a gun on whoever and whenever. It’s people who think it’s okay to attack someone the way Gianforte did. ETc.

It’s people who think that violence is strength and that compassion is weakness.

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Ace-o-aces  May 26, 2017 • 8:48:12am
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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:48:32am

re: #276 The Vicious Babushka

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Oh Christ.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:48:47am

re: #278 SteelPH

It’s people who think that violence is strength and that compassion is weakness.

Yep, you got it dude.

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makeitstop  May 26, 2017 • 8:49:20am

re: #252 The Vicious Babushka

Who wrote this for POS45?

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Miller’s my guess. The guy is obsessed with terrism.

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wheat-dogg  May 26, 2017 • 8:49:41am

re: #273 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:50:19am

re: #279 Ace-o-aces

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I don’t disagree with what Eli’s saying but at the same time, our immigrant friends didn’t have to worry about their families being separated in the Bush years the way they do in the Trump years. Bush was awful. No doubt, he deserves the criticism he gets but I do appreciate him for at least trying to be the President of all Americans.

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ObserverArt  May 26, 2017 • 8:50:20am

re: #244 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

My understanding is that the lout shoved the PM while getting to his assigned position. he didn’t bully his way to the front, he just can’t move past people without acting crazy.

If the positions were assigned, then he didn’t even need to touch the other guy. He could have waited and then taken his spot once everyone else had theirs. He could have walked around the outside if he was up front.

Or how about acting like a fucking human with class and say “excuse me” as he comes through.

I am not saying you are…but I know I am not going to make any excuses for his actions. He is a bully pure and simple, even in the most normal interactions with others.

Fuck him. It’s Friday…and a long week of Trump bullshit. It’s Fuck. Him. Friday.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:50:51am

re: #282 makeitstop

Miller’s my guess. The guy is obsessed with terrism.

That would have been my guess too. Creepy Eyes wrote the NATO and SA speech too.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 26, 2017 • 8:52:24am

re: #279 Ace-o-aces

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gocart mozart  May 26, 2017 • 8:52:39am

re: #186 The Vicious Babushka
From Speigel spiegel.de

The U.S. elected a laughing stock to the presidency and has now made itself dependent on a joke of a man. The country is, as David Brooks wrote recently in the New York Times, dependent on a child. The Trump administration has no foreign policy because Trump has consistently promised American withdrawal while invoking America’s strength. He has promised both no wars and more wars. He makes decisions according to his mood, with no strategic coherence or tactical logic. Moscow and Beijing are laughing at America. Elsewhere, people are worried.

In “Game of Thrones,” the Mad King was murdered (and the child that later took his place was no better). In real life, an immature boy sits on the throne of the most important country in the world. He could, at any time, issue a catastrophic order that would immediately be carried out. That is why the parents cannot afford to take their eyes off him even for a second. They cannot succumb to exhaustion because he is so taxing. They ultimately have to send him to his room - and return power to the grownups.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:52:41am

The way Dems are going to win in places like Montana isn’t going to through the national Dems pouring in money. It will be through local and state Dems. You get enough of those and people will get more comfortable with the idea of sending a Dem to Congress and then maybe eventually the Presidency itself.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 26, 2017 • 8:52:48am

I’ve been following a discussion on Tom Nichols’ twitter feed. He’s wanting Democrats to change to be more electable, be a more effective opposition, etc. because Republicans have gone crazy. Well, okay. So far, so good.

He points to a number of things - the loss of seats since 2010 in state houses and governorships, not just the House and Senate. He says we can’t blame it all on gerrymandering and geography. Fair point.

The thing is, his electoral prescriptions are pretty much the diametric opposite of those that the GOP followed that have given it the House, the Senate, and the White House, as well as all those state houses and governorships. The GOP has increasingly put forward shrill, partisan, purist nutbags, and they have been winning. They have been appealing to a NARROWER base, but have been successful. Their policy prescriptions are widely despised by Americans, yet they keep winning.

He thinks getting rid of Nancy Pelosi would help us win more, yet Pelosi’s approve/disapprove numbers are pretty much the same as Paul Ryan’s. She’s combative, and partisan, and outspoken, which is what you WANT in a party leader. She’s also EFFECTIVE, which is more than you can say for Ryan, or Boehner. So, why is she unpopular? Most of the positions she espouses are popular, whereas Ryan’s are anathema to most voters. It may seem facile, but I have to think that a lot of it is American discomfort with a strong woman in charge.

And overall, I think A LOT of our problem boils down to ‘discomfort’. Marriage equality, accepting gay and transgendered folks, accepting that our society treats nonwhite people differently, accepting people who look different or pray differently - all these things cause ‘discomfort’ for white, straight, Christian Americans. And when given a choice between a party celebrating the things that make them uncomfortable, and the one telling them they don’t have to accommodate those things, and that it’s okay for them to be uncomfortable, they go with the latter.

The other thing? Republicans have really not been unclear about what they believe in, or what they’d do if elected, but as article after article since the inauguration has demonstrated, a LOT of people simply don’t take them at their word. Then they’re surprised when the GOP tries to cut taxes on rich people, and gut programs they depend on.

Overall, though it sounds elitist, the stupidity of the American electorate should not be underrated. And this goes for the entirety of the electorate, not just white people. Lots of white people voted against their own interest, but that’s not all. Now that the numbers are in, it’s clear that minority turnout was down considerably from 2012. And of course there are the BernieBros turned Steinbot, whose votes ‘need to be earned’.

The fault seems to be not in our stars, but in ourselves. It’s not necessarily our candidates or our positions. I’ve said it before, but The Right Always Votes, and they always vote for the Republican. They may hate him in the Primary, but once he wins, he’s their guy! The Left? Well, we still want to be able to show our independence, to reluctantly vote for the candidate who beats our guy in the Primary, to insist our vote must be earned.

We don’t need to choose more moderate candidates. We need more dedicated voters.

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wheat-dogg  May 26, 2017 • 8:53:00am

OK. I should really go to bed, though I am not that sleepy. Tomorrow is a work day, because of the Duanwu festival* Sunday-Tuesday. I get to teach my Monday classes on Saturday. Whee!

* Also known as the Dragon Boat Festival.

So, later people.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:53:13am

re: #287 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Accurate. I did not miss him one day of Obama’s presidency but as soon as Trump won, I immediately did.

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Barefoot Grin  May 26, 2017 • 8:53:45am

Hillary now giving commencement address at her alma mater, Wellesley.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:55:54am

re: #290 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve been following a discussion on Tom Nichols’ twitter feed. He’s wanting Democrats to change to be more electable, be a more effective opposition, etc. because Republicans have gone crazy. Well, okay. So far, so good.

He points to a number of things - the loss of seats since 2010 in state houses and governorships, not just the House and Senate. He says we can’t blame it all on gerrymandering and geography. Fair point.

The thing is, his electoral prescriptions are pretty much the diametric opposite of those that the GOP followed that have given it the House, the Senate, and the White House, as well as all those state houses and governorships. The GOP has increasingly put forward shrill, partisan, purist nutbags, and they have been winning. They have been appealing to a NARROWER base, but have been successful. Their policy prescriptions are widely despised by Americans, yet they keep winning.

He thinks getting rid of Nancy Pelosi would help us win more, yet Pelosi’s approve/disapprove numbers are pretty much the same as Paul Ryan’s. She’s combative, and partisan, and outspoken, which is what you WANT in a party leader. She’s also EFFECTIVE, which is more than you can say for Ryan, or Boehner. So, why is she unpopular? Most of the positions she espouses are popular, whereas Ryan’s are anathema to most voters. It may seem facile, but I have to think that a lot of it is American discomfort with a strong woman in charge.

And overall, I think A LOT of our problem boils down to ‘discomfort’. Marriage equality, accepting gay and transgendered folks, accepting that our society treats nonwhite people differently, accepting people who look different or pray differently - all these things cause ‘discomfort’ for white, straight, Christian Americans. And when given a choice between a party celebrating the things that make them uncomfortable, and the one telling them they don’t have to accommodate those things, and that it’s okay for them to be uncomfortable, they go with the latter.

The other thing? Republicans have really not been unclear about what they believe in, or what they’d do if elected, but as article after article since the inauguration has demonstrated, a LOT of people simply don’t take them at their word. Then they’re surprised when the GOP tries to cut taxes on rich people, and gut programs they depend on.

Overall, though it sounds elitist, the stupidity of the American electorate should not be underrated. And this goes for the entirety of the electorate, not just white people. Lots of white people voted against their own interest, but that’s not all. Now that the numbers are in, it’s clear that minority turnout was down considerably from 2012. And of course there are the BernieBros turned Steinbot, whose votes ‘need to be earned’.

The fault seems to be not in our stars, but in ourselves. It’s not necessarily our candidates or our positions. I’ve said it before, but The Right Always Votes, and they always vote for the Republican. They may hate him in the Primary, but once he wins, he’s their guy! The Left? Well, we still want to be able to show our independence, to reluctantly vote for the candidate who beats our guy in the Primary, to insist our vote must be earned.

We don’t need to choose more moderate candidates. We need more dedicated voters.

I don’t caer if it sounds elitist or not. A lot of voters are idiots who vote for other idiots. And you nailed it about discomfort. As I said last night, I’m all for welcoming WWC voters in to our fold but they need to accept that this party is the party of women, LGBT, racial/religious minorities, etc too. If they can’t accept that, then i don’t want them.

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Barefoot Grin  May 26, 2017 • 8:58:37am

re: #293 Barefoot Grin

Hillary now giving commencement address at her alma mater, Wellesley.

You can catch it on CNN or MSNBC, not sure about Fox—they were on a commercial.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:58:53am

I’m still conflicted though whether to feel natural sympathy for Trump voters who are oging to get screwed by his budgetary plans or disgust because we tried warning these people what Turmp was and they didn’t want to listen. TBH, it will never be purely one thing or another. I’m a naturally sympathetic person but I also little tolerance for ignorance when information is out there right before your eyes. Clinton tried telling these people that Turmp was a dishonest asshole and they didn’t want to listen to her.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 8:59:23am

re: #295 Barefoot Grin

You can catch it on CNN or MSNBC, not sure about Fox—they were on a commercial.

Fox? They’re probably spinning why Gianforte’s win is a huge win for the GOP.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 26, 2017 • 8:59:46am

re: #294 HappyWarrior

I don’t caer if it sounds elitist or not. A lot of voters are idiots who vote for other idiots. And you nailed it about discomfort. As I said last night, I’m all for welcoming WWC voters in to our fold but they need to accept that this party is the party of women, LGBT, racial/religious minorities, etc too. If they can’t accept that, then i don’t want them.

My take is that Nichols thinks Democrats need to accomodate the discomfort of white folks to win, but the more we do that, the less appeal we have to our main constituencies. There’s already a party for racist, sexist, homophobic white people.

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SteelPH  May 26, 2017 • 9:00:22am

re: #287 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Pretty sure I miss Obama more than Bush right now.

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FormerDirtDart  May 26, 2017 • 9:00:51am

I read about this elsewhere the other day. He offered DoD inspectors a peak twice, TWICE.
He was counseled on the inappropriateness of such a breach in protocol after the first incident. And, then DID IT AGAIN.

John Glenn’s remains were disrespected at the military’s mortuary, Pentagon documents allege - Military Times

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 26, 2017 • 9:01:10am

re: #285 ObserverArt

If the positions were assigned, then he didn’t even need to touch the other guy. He could have waited and then taken his spot once everyone else had theirs. He could have walked around the outside if he was up front.

Or how about acting like a fucking human with class and say “excuse me” as he comes through.

I am not saying you are…but I know I am not going to make any excuses for his actions. He is a bully pure and simple, even in the most normal interactions with others.

Fuck him. It’s Friday…and a long week of Trump bullshit. It’s Fuck. Him. Friday.

My interest is in accuracy. Of course he should have said “excuse me”, but I doubt he’s ever used that phrase in his life. He’s shoved his way through his entire life.

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Barefoot Grin  May 26, 2017 • 9:01:28am

Whoa, huge dig at Trump linking him to Nixon.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 9:01:48am

re: #298 Blind Frog Belly White

My take is that Nichols thinks Democrats need to accomodate the discomfort of white folks to win, but the more we do that, the less appeal we have to our main constituencies. There’s already a party for racist, sexist, homophobic white people.

Exactly and that’s where you and I feel frustration with Sanders. I want us to address people’s economic worries i.e. paying for their health care, children’s education, etc but I do not want us to pander to resentments about those who look or practice different than us. I’m proud to be a supporter of a party that opens up its arms to immigrants, LGBT people, etc rather than treats them like lepers. If white people don’t want ot hear that, that’s one them not on the Democratic Party.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 26, 2017 • 9:02:52am

re: #300 FormerDirtDart

I read about this elsewhere the other day. He offered DoD inspectors a peak twice, TWICE.
He was counseled on the inappropriateness of such a breach in protocol after the first incident. And, then DID IT AGAIN.

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A new kind of holy relic? A religion based on science. An actual Scienceism.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 9:04:40am

The thing is guys, we do win minority working class voters. I don’t have time to check it but I actually think we probably do as well if not better with minority working class voters than we do affluent ones. And that’s what the Sanders contingent isn’t getting. We do address their issues. In fact, our platofmr this past year was by far the most progressive. What we’re not doing is pandering to resentment and you know what, I’m glad we’re not. I know the steelworkers and coal miners don’t want to hear it but the economy they knew isn’t coming back and most of all, it’s not our fucking fault that it happened.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 26, 2017 • 9:04:48am

re: #296 HappyWarrior

I’m still conflicted though whether to feel natural sympathy for Trump voters who are oging to get screwed by his budgetary plans or disgust because we tried warning these people what Turmp was and they didn’t want to listen. TBH, it will never be purely one thing or another. I’m a naturally sympathetic person but I also little tolerance for ignorance when information is out there right before your eyes. Clinton tried telling these people that Turmp was a dishonest asshole and they didn’t want to listen to her.

I have little or no sympathy for them, largely because to me, Trump is transparently a con man, obviously unqualified for the job, aggressively ignorant, and thoroughly corrupt. This was obvious before he even came down the escalator to announce his candidacy. I’ve read that con men say the easiest people to con are the ones who believe they deserve something for nothing. That fits the Trump voters to a T.

Fuck ‘em.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 9:06:08am

re: #306 Blind Frog Belly White

I have little or no sympathy for them, largely because to me, Trump is transparently a con man, obviously unqualified for the job, aggressively ignorant, and thoroughly corrupt. This was obvious before he even came down the escalator to announce his candidacy. I’ve read that con men say the easiest people to con are the ones who believe they deserve something for nothing. That fits the Trump voters to a T.

Fuck ‘em.

I totally hear ya there. I mean most of us knew who he was before this. How anyone even the most desperate person saw and heard him and thought YES THAT GUY SHOLD BE PREsIDENT!

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ObserverArt  May 26, 2017 • 9:07:06am

re: #290 Blind Frog Belly White

Tom Nichols is a strange man.

He wants Democrats to save him from himself and his beloved party.

And in jest…didn’t SteveRN (can’t remember his current nick) ask for something like this regarding Hillary last year? Since she was going to win so easily, Democrats needed to go out and vote for anyone but Trump in the primaries to keep Trump out of the party nomination since the damn party couldn’t do it themselves.

Nichols knows his party has a gun to their head and ready to shoot…but please Democrats come here and turn the safety on for me, ‘cuz I’m too drunk on party stupidity to do it myself.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 9:07:08am

And we never talk about the minoritiy communities that do exist within white working class areas.s Buzzfeed had a great article on the Arab-Americans that reside in the Scarton-Wilkes Barre area.

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Barefoot Grin  May 26, 2017 • 9:07:25am

HRC is lighting it up. Great speech. Fighting back against the all-out attacks on truth and reason, on the poor and vulnerable. God how different things should have been.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 26, 2017 • 9:08:10am

re: #306 Blind Frog Belly White

I have little or no sympathy for them, largely because to me, Trump is transparently a con man, obviously unqualified for the job, aggressively ignorant, and thoroughly corrupt. This was obvious before he even came down the escalator to announce his candidacy. I’ve read that con men say the easiest people to con are the ones who believe they deserve something for nothing. That fits the Trump voters to a T.

Fuck ‘em.

They’re obsessed about the idea of other people getting free stuff, not due to objecting to free stuff, but that other people get it.

They revealed this when many of them said that they felt that immigrants were cutting in line, as if everyone is waiting for hand-outs. They feel entitled, rather than taking responsibility for their lives.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 9:08:54am

re: #308 ObserverArt

Tom Nichols is a strange man.

He wants Democrats to save him from himself and his beloved party.

And in jest…didn’t SteveRN (can’t remember his current nick) ask for something like this regarding Hillary last year? Since she was going to win so easily, Democrats needed to go out and vote for anyone but Trump in the primaries to keep Trump out of the party nomination since the damn party couldn’t do it themselves.

Nichols knows his party has a gun to their head and ready to shoot…but please Democrats come here and turn the safety on for me, ‘cuz I’m too drunk on party stupidity to do it myself.

Yeah Steve’s been pretty much saying as long as I’ve known him on LGF that the solution is Dems need to vote in Republican primaries. I’m not saving the GOP from themselves. That’s up to them. Nichols needs to confront his own goddamn party and ideology head on. The Dems aren’t perfect but at least Pelosi has an actual compass. Ruya? He’s guided by an author whose biggest ans are 15 year olds who want to rationalize being a selfish prick.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 9:10:41am

re: #311 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

They’re obsessed about the idea of other people getting free stuff, not due to objecting to free stuff, but that other people get it.

They revealed this when many of them said that they felt that immigrants were cutting in line, as if everyone is waiting for hand-outs. They feel entitled, rather than taking responsibility for their lives.

It’s as TP and I have said that the New Deal Coalition began to wane when the white members of that coalition hated that they would have to share things like affordable health care, unionization rights, etc with people of other races and that really is why the conservative movement succeeded in this country. It wasn’t becaues of “intellectual conservatives” like WFB but because of the right seeing the resentment many Democratic voters hadto their party becoming the party of all Americans first regardless of skin color and presently of sexual orientation.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 26, 2017 • 9:11:10am

re: #308 ObserverArt

Tom Nichols is a strange man.

He wants Democrats to save him from himself and his beloved party.

And in jest…didn’t SteveRN (can’t remember his current nick) ask for something like this regarding Hillary last year? Since she was going to win so easily, Democrats needed to go out and vote for anyone but Trump in the primaries to keep Trump out of the party nomination since the damn party couldn’t do it themselves.

Nichols knows his party has a gun to their head and ready to shoot…but please Democrats come here and turn the safety on for me, ‘cuz I’m too drunk on party stupidity to do it myself.

Nichols fools himself that his party has been kidnapped by a populist, but the reality is, his party sold its soul back in 1968 to win, and has ever since put winning ahead of every single principle it held. Trump didn’t kidnap the GOP. Trump CRYSTALLIZED the GOP.

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EPR-radar  May 26, 2017 • 9:11:45am

re: #275 HappyWarrior

In a sense, we do have a cultuer that doesn’t value life but it’s not what the anti-abortionists think that means. It’s people who think they can bring a gun on whoever and whenever. It’s people who think it’s okay to attack someone the way Gianforte did. ETc.

The Republicans are a death cult.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 9:12:39am

re: #314 Blind Frog Belly White

Nichols fools himself that his party has been kidnapped by a populist, but the reality is, his party sold its soul back in 1968 to win, and has ever since put winning ahead of every single principle it held. Trump didn’t kidnap the GOP. Trump CRYSTALLIZED the GOP.

As y’al lheard he me say, Trump is their symptom not their ailment. Admitting it goes back to ‘`968 though would be admitting that Reagan was a snake oil salesman like Trump and they can’t have that. The first Republican who admits that Reagan wasn’t the spuerhero they make him out to be will be the Republican that sees what’s wrong with his party.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 9:13:45am

A lot of this goes back to Wallace too. Though Nixon ran against Wallace too. A lot of Republicans definitely took notes from the Wallace campaign’s successes.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 26, 2017 • 9:14:54am

re: #315 EPR-radar

The Republicans are a death cult.

Start with a base that hates the world, and longs for an imagined after-life, and that’s what you get.

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sagehen  May 26, 2017 • 9:17:32am

re: #284 HappyWarrior

I don’t disagree with what Eli’s saying but at the same time, our immigrant friends didn’t have to worry about their families being separated in the Bush years the way they do in the Trump years. Bush was awful. No doubt, he deserves the criticism he gets but I do appreciate him for at least trying to be the President of all Americans.

And he surrounded himself with competent professionals.

Many of whom I found ideologically distasteful… but nevertheless, competent professionals.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 9:17:55am

TBH I think the decline of the GOP begins the minute Kennedy beat Nixon. That allowd for the rise of Goldwater- who while not racist and indeed definitely opposed to a lot of the things now of the GOP still was an opponeot of the most important Civil Rights legislation of the era and I think nominating him really made segregationists go “Hey, I can feel comfortable voting for a Republican and get over the fact that it used to be Lincoln’s party.” Nixon and Reagan perfected it but Goldwater started it.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 9:19:30am

re: #319 sagehen

And he surrounded himself with competent professionals.

Many of whom I found ideologically distasteful… but nevertheless, competent professionals.

Yeah he wasn’t making Jenna/Barbara his advisers. I think Bush knew how to build a team of people. They’re certainly not the people you or I would have chosen but they weren’t daughter, son in law, and guys who gave my campaign a ton of cash. How sad is it how Ashcroft looks next to Sessions?

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Stanley Sea  May 26, 2017 • 9:21:17am

Oh MY

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 26, 2017 • 9:25:01am

re: #234 wheat-dogg

Maybe we can arrange for Trump to be swallowed by a whale.

We’re going to have to get a bigger whale.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 9:30:00am
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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 9:31:02am

re: #324 Dr. Matt

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 9:31:41am

I honestly don’t care how Melania dresses. I do care that she talks about how she wants to combat bullying but her husband is the biggest bully of all and so are many in his party.

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lawhawk  May 26, 2017 • 9:38:34am

re: #327 HappyWarrior

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Renaissance_Man  May 26, 2017 • 9:39:52am

re: #265 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Soon. And either that wakes up the fantasy-prone right, or we have to start arming up to be the American resistance as America becomes a fascist country.

I’m hoping these morons wake up from the radicalized stupor wingnut media put them in.

Impossible. They belong to a cult. And they’re not all morons - many are very intelligent, but that in itself is no barrier to joining a cult.

Cultists will kill themselves if told to. If it was their own family member journalist that was murdered, they would still vote for whoever they are told to.

These voters are lost. They cannot be persuaded. They can only be deprogrammed, and since that is all but impossible in this day of modern communications, they can only be outnumbered and overcome.

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Barefoot Grin  May 26, 2017 • 9:41:09am

To those on twitter: if Trump gets to see Hillary’s Wellesley address, “duck and cover—incoming!”

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BeachDem  May 26, 2017 • 9:41:36am

re: #140 HappyWarrior

How on earth can you spin a narrow victory by a Republican who was both loaded and was running in a state that Trump won by 20 points. Yeah, Dems should be disappointed by this one but if you think the Dems “lost” and the Republicans simply “won”, I got beach front property in Missoula to offer. But then again, maybe it’s to our advantage that they’re thinking that just win baby is enough. I knew we were in for a tough year when Walker beat Coakley in that MA special election.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 9:41:50am

re: #328 lawhawk

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 26, 2017 • 9:42:10am

re: #329 Renaissance_Man

Impossible. They belong to a cult. And they’re not all morons - many are very intelligent, but that in itself is no barrier to joining a cult.

Cultists will kill themselves if told to. If it was their own family member journalist that was murdered, they would still vote for whoever they are told to.

These voters are lost. They cannot be persuaded. They can only be deprogrammed, and since that is all but impossible in this day of modern communications, they can only be outnumbered and overcome.

They were programmed remotely. It may be possible to deprogram them remotely too.
Obviously it’s impossible to get every one of them to cult deprogrammers individually.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 9:42:27am

re: #331 BeachDem

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lawhawk  May 26, 2017 • 9:42:46am

This is the kind of dumbassery that’s out there. Health care can and is provided by the federal government. Has been for decades. The constitutionality is clear - and it goes back to just after the Revolutionary War in fact.

Moreover, the Constitution requires Congress to provide for the general welfare, which includes health.

There is so much idiocy out there, and people with significant audience reach to spread their nonsense.

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Renaissance_Man  May 26, 2017 • 9:42:53am

re: #290 Blind Frog Belly White

Ultimately he’s wrong on the root cause analysis. Trump voters aren’t voting based on any policy. No matter what policy a Democrat puts forward, they aren’t going to vote for a Democrat. No matter what actions a Republican takes, they aren’t going to change their vote.

They vote based on hate. They’re told who to hate by their Facebook feeds, by their cable news, by their emails, and they vote based on who they hate. Policy is irrelevant to them.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 26, 2017 • 9:44:09am
“I made a mistake,” the congressman-elect said at his party in Bozeman. “Not in our minds!” yelled a supporter. David Weigel, who was there, reports that some in the crowd laughed.

washingtonpost.com

A good person would have told his violent supporters that they have no place in America, but unfortunately most of the Republicans no longer believe in America.

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Skip Intro  May 26, 2017 • 9:45:32am

re: #171 Eclectic Cyborg

Running for congress in any state isn’t cheap.

Not my point, but screw it. If people making $30k a year think their interests will be protected by electing billionaires who am I to disagree. Even seeing what Trump’s cabinet of billionaires is doing isn’t enough to swing them. They’re locked in to getting screwed bigly.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 9:45:42am

re: #337 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

washingtonpost.com

A good person would have told his violent supporters that they have no place in America, but unfortunately most of the Republicans no longer believe in America.

A) He’s only saying he made a mistake because he won.

B) Even with him saying he made a mistake, his asshole supporters still ove it.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 9:46:42am

IF IT PISSES OFF LIBERALS, IT MUST BE AWESOME. Maybe I should tell them I hate when people drink dihydrogen monoxide.

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Skip Intro  May 26, 2017 • 9:47:21am

re: #198 wheat-dogg

As Trump once famously said, he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and his supporters would still vote for him. He Can Do No Wrong™ in the eyes of the truly faithful.

He got that a little wrong. He could shoot someone and his poll numbers would go up. That’s America in 2017.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 9:47:35am

I never want us to make policy just because it pisses people off. I’m not pro LGBT because it pisses conservatives off. I’m pro-LGBT because I believe LGBT people deserve teh same rights and protections under the law as I do.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 26, 2017 • 9:48:02am

re: #340 HappyWarrior

IF IT PISSES OFF LIBERALS, IT MUST BE AWESOME. Maybe I should tell them I hate when people drink dihydrogen monoxide.

Or breathe. Breathing is bad. It makes me so angry.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 26, 2017 • 9:49:09am

re: #342 HappyWarrior

I never want us to make policy just because it pisses people off. I’m not pro LGBT because it pisses conservatives off. I’m pro-LGBT because I believe LGBT people deserve teh same rights and protections under the law as I do.

It goes back to that whole root of, as a politician, are you for something, or are you just against your opponent?

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 9:51:52am

re: #344 thedopefishlives

It goes back to that whole root of, as a politician, are you for something, or are you just against your opponent?

Too often with conservatives in and out of office tehse days, it’s just the latter. Sorry but I HATE LIBERALS is not an ideology.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 9:52:11am

re: #343 thedopefishlives

Or breathe. Breathing is bad. It makes me so angry.

You know what? Living. Living is so awful. //

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 26, 2017 • 9:52:11am

re: #336 Renaissance_Man

Ultimately he’s wrong on the root cause analysis. Trump voters aren’t voting based on any policy. No matter what policy a Democrat puts forward, they aren’t going to vote for a Democrat. No matter what actions a Republican takes, they aren’t going to change their vote.

They vote based on hate. They’re told who to hate by their Facebook feeds, by their cable news, by their emails, and they vote based on who they hate. Policy is irrelevant to them.

There’s that, which covers roughly 35-40% of Americans. Then there’s another 10% who think the GOP doesn’t really mean what it says - the ones who heard what Trump said, but discounted it. But they’re all victims of the ‘Liberal Media Bias!’ con, that you can’t trust the media, even if the DON’T watch Fox News. And all of us are victims of the Magical Balance Fairy approach to reporting that looks at the Republicans lurching into outright fascism while the Democrats stand on much the same set of principles we’ve pushed since WWII, and says “Polarization!”

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BeachDem  May 26, 2017 • 9:53:16am

re: #194 wheat-dogg

That’s the second time he’s done that, IIRC. The first time was that signing ceremony, when he said some words to the press from the podium, and walked toward the door, leaving the EOs to be signed on the desk.

By the way, the Trumpitos are spinning the Trump-shove as a “man hug” of the Montenegro leader. I saw it “explained” while poking around Steemit. A “body language expert” says Trump’s grabbing of the other man’s upper arm and maneuvering around his side to get in front of him to beam at the camera was a friendly gesture, not a shove.

I call BS, but given Trump’s inability to relate to normal people in a normal way, maybe he does consider it a gesture of affection.

I’ve watched it about a bazillion times. He’s aggressively pushing, not “hugging,”—he doesn’t even look at the guy when he does it, and then when he gets in front of him, he has that obnoxious “victory” gesture, where he straightens his jacket while lifting his head and making a smug face.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 26, 2017 • 9:55:04am

re: #348 BeachDem

I’ve watched it about a bazillion times. He’s aggressively pushing, not “hugging,”—he doesn’t even look at the guy when he does it, and then when he gets in front of him, he has that obnoxious “victory” gesture, where he straightens his jacket while lifting his head and making a smug face.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 26, 2017 • 9:55:46am

re: #338 Skip Intro

Not my point, but screw it. If people making $30k a year think their interests will be protected by electing billionaires who am I to disagree. Even seeing what Trump’s cabinet of billionaires is doing isn’t enough to swing them. They’re locked in to getting screwed bigly.

But, you know, don’t call them stupid.

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Barefoot Grin  May 26, 2017 • 9:56:27am

re: #346 HappyWarrior

You know what? Living. Living is so awful. //

Careful. Slippery slope to pineapple pizza.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 26, 2017 • 9:56:28am

re: #348 BeachDem

I’ve watched it about a bazillion times. He’s aggressively pushing, not “hugging,”—he doesn’t even look at the guy when he does it, and then when he gets in front of him, he has that obnoxious “victory” gesture, where he straightens his jacket while lifting his head and making a smug face.

The Mussolini chin-jut.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 9:57:01am

re: #351 Barefoot Grin

Careful. Slippery slope to pineapple pizza.

Yeah that was a bit morbid I concede.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 9:57:32am

re: #350 Blind Frog Belly White

But, you know, don’t call them stupid.

Don’t call them stupid but do treat them stupidly.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 10:00:01am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 26, 2017 • 10:00:48am
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Teukka  May 26, 2017 • 10:02:10am

re: #343 thedopefishlives

Or breathe. Breathing is bad. It makes me so angry.

Yep. Latest liberal research shows that air containing O2 is good for you.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 10:05:55am

re: #357 Teukka

Yep. Latest liberal research shows that air containing O2 is good for you.

Liberal research confirms that a balanced diet can only do nothing but good.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 26, 2017 • 10:08:26am

NeverTrump Republicans want Democrats to become the party they thought they belonged to. The thing is, their policy prescriptions are still wrongheaded and based on foolish assumptions and idiotic principles.

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jaunte  May 26, 2017 • 10:08:43am

re: #358 HappyWarrior

Liberal dieticians recommend against three buckets of KFC a day.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 10:12:54am

You know what really pisses off Libtards. SJW’s, feminazis, antifas, and Black Lives Matter? Drinking bleach. They really, really hate bleach drinkers.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 10:13:44am

re: #359 Blind Frog Belly White

NeverTrump Republicans want Democrats to become the party they thought they belonged to. The thing is, their policy prescriptions are still wrongheaded and based on foolish assumptions and idiotic principles.

That’s what I was trying to say about Rick Wilson and to another extent Ana Navarro last night.

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sagehen  May 26, 2017 • 10:13:59am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 26, 2017 • 10:14:50am

re: #361 The Vicious Babushka

You know what really pisses off Libtards. SJW’s, feminazis, antifas, and Black Lives Matter? Drinking bleach. They really, really hate bleach drinkers.

They also hate when people eat trans-fat. Conservatives, these people want to take your trans-fat. Gulp it down to show who’s in charge here!

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jaunte  May 26, 2017 • 10:15:12am

Liberals think Alex Jones’ supplements have no positive effect.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 10:15:21am

re: #363 sagehen

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 26, 2017 • 10:15:53am

re: #365 jaunte

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Liberals think Alex Jones’ supplements have no positive effect.

They clearly raise blood-pressure.

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lawhawk  May 26, 2017 • 10:16:08am

re: #363 sagehen

Flynn Flam. It starts from there.

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jaunte  May 26, 2017 • 10:16:20am

“Barbecue neck” sufferer.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 10:18:25am

re: #368 lawhawk

Flynn Flam. It starts from there.

In Like Flynn into Russia.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 26, 2017 • 10:18:34am

re: #365 jaunte

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Liberals think Alex Jones’ supplements have no positive effect.

He is clearly sucking in in that second picture.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 10:18:41am

You know why Libturds hate bleach drinking? It makes your insides pure White. Not drinking bleach is White Genocide!

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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 10:19:04am

re: #371 thedopefishlives

He is clearly sucking in in that second picture.

He sucks all the time, everywhere.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 10:20:07am

So sad.

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sagehen  May 26, 2017 • 10:20:24am

Thread.

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FormerDirtDart  May 26, 2017 • 10:20:26am

re: #335 lawhawk

This is the kind of dumbassery that’s out there. Health care can and is provided by the federal government. Has been for decades. The constitutionality is clear - and it goes back to just after the Revolutionary War in fact.

Moreover, the Constitution requires Congress to provide for the general welfare, which includes health.

There is so much idiocy out there, and people with significant audience reach to spread their nonsense.

NO, NO NO
The only thing that the FOUNDING FATHERS truly carried about in the entire preamble of the Constitution was the requirement to PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE
And, we have to spend at least 5% of the nations GDP on it, or the communists will win, as the FOUNDING FATHERS warned…

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BeachDem  May 26, 2017 • 10:20:27am

re: #299 SteelPH

Pretty sure I miss Obama more than Bush right now.

And let us not forget that Bush/Cheney was a package deal, so nope, don’t miss them. (But I do miss Obama a lot.)

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Dr. Matt  May 26, 2017 • 10:20:29am

re: #365 jaunte

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Liberals think Alex Jones’ supplements have no positive effect.

It took him 45 days to change his skin color?

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 10:20:41am

re: #365 jaunte

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Liberals think Alex Jones’ supplements have no positive effect.

I still can’t believe he’s younger than most of my first cousins. He looks easily 20 years older than his actual age. Must be all that rage and meth.

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mmmirele  May 26, 2017 • 10:21:32am

Well, apparently the “Center for ‘Medical’ Progress” / David Daleiden attempted to post their sleazebag edited videos to YouTube. They were removed from YouTube, but have popped up on LiveLink.

Here’s the story from the LA Times: latimes.com

Basically, the judge is annoyed and has scheduled a hearing to decide whether to hold CMP / Daleiden / etc. in contempt.

The reason I found out about it was because my asshat of a congressman, Rep. Andy “I’m Wealthy Because I Won The Publisher’s Clearing House Sweepstakes” Biggs, posted the LiveLeak version to his Facebook. I called his office and gave his assistant an earful. Biggs is a graduate of BYU Law, he should know better!

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 10:23:40am

re: #375 sagehen

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BeachDem  May 26, 2017 • 10:26:51am

re: #334 HappyWarrior

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 10:29:31am

re: #382 BeachDem

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nines09  May 26, 2017 • 10:30:02am

I had posted a similar video earlier, but this longer video clearly shows a man who has lost his bearings on where he is, gets up and starts to wander off and is pulled back. He’s suffering from dementia.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 10:30:52am

re: #384 nines09

I had posted a similar video earlier, but this longer video clearly shows a man who has lost his bearings on where he is, gets up and starts to wander off and is pulled back. He’s suffering from dementia.

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IT does run in his famliy.

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danarchy  May 26, 2017 • 10:32:29am

re: #379 HappyWarrior

I still can’t believe he’s younger than most of my first cousins. He looks easily 20 years older than his actual age. Must be all that rage and meth.

How old is he? He looks mid to late 40’s to me.

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I cannot.  May 26, 2017 • 10:32:54am
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Skip Intro  May 26, 2017 • 10:34:57am

Far Cry 5 takes series to deadliest land of all: Disenfranchised America

Montana, to be precise. Jesus cult. Good call. Won’t come out until 2018 so it may not seem like a game any more.

arstechnica.com

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Belafon  May 26, 2017 • 10:35:00am

re: #387 I cannot.

defenestrated.

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Dave In Austin  May 26, 2017 • 10:35:36am
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I cannot.  May 26, 2017 • 10:36:07am

re: #389 Belafon

I realized that as soon as I posted…unfortunately can’t edit tweets for speeling or grammar errors.

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BlueGrl21  May 26, 2017 • 10:37:37am

I like the way Lawhawk starts his posts with “greetings and salutations from the Resistance in New York.” (paraphrasing).

Greetings and salutations from the Resistance in Texas. I’ve got until 1:00, then headed off to the ranch. Wild pigs are getting out of control and it’s time to do some pig hunting.

Yes, I am aware a Texan with a ranch, shooting things, is the ultimate stereotype. But I also drive a Prius and only use canvas bags at the grocery, so there’s that. And my cowboy boots are pink. I do try to make it all work.

Have a lovely weekend, all. No electronics until Sunday. Even cell reception is spotty up there.

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makeitstop  May 26, 2017 • 10:37:38am

re: #384 nines09

I had posted a similar video earlier, but this longer video clearly shows a man who has lost his bearings on where he is, gets up and starts to wander off and is pulled back. He’s suffering from dementia.

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Sundown city.

This is why he needs family members around him at all times.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 10:38:14am

re: #386 danarchy

How old is he? He looks mid to late 40’s to me.

43. I think he looks mid 50’s TBH. It’s more how he sounds I guess though.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 10:38:44am

re: #387 I cannot.

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goddamnedfrank  May 26, 2017 • 10:39:01am

re: #335 lawhawk

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Belafon  May 26, 2017 • 10:39:39am

re: #392 BlueGrl21

Where’s the ranch at? Asking from the Dallas area.

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b_sharp  May 26, 2017 • 10:40:50am

re: #348 BeachDem

I’ve watched it about a bazillion times. He’s aggressively pushing, not “hugging,”—he doesn’t even look at the guy when he does it, and then when he gets in front of him, he has that obnoxious “victory” gesture, where he straightens his jacket while lifting his head and making a smug face.

This is where I have to agree with the Trump bros. I’ve watched it several times, and I see an upper arm ‘hug’ that is aggressive, arrogant & obnoxious, but I see no sideways force being applied to move the PM out of the way. The PM turns, he isn’t pushed.

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nines09  May 26, 2017 • 10:42:01am

re: #393 makeitstop

So the “only man who can make things right” isn’t even in control of his own facilities. That means that one of the spawn is in charge if Cocksplat eats major carpet.

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BlueGrl21  May 26, 2017 • 10:45:03am

re: #397 Belafon

Where’s the ranch at? Asking from the Dallas area.

Gonzales, on the Guadalupe. :)

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 10:45:17am

re: #395 The Vicious Babushka

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If you can’t bother to pay someone 15 cents more who handles your food, maybe you shouldn’t be going out to beat that much. It’s as my cousin, who has worked in the restaurant industry, don’t go out to eat if you’re not going to bother tipping the wait staff.

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Dr Lizardo  May 26, 2017 • 10:45:35am

re: #399 nines09

So the “only man who can make things right” isn’t even in control of his own facilities. That means that one of the spawn is in charge if Cocksplat eats major carpet.

Seeing that clip with Netanyahu, yeah, Trump looks like he doesn’t know where he is or why he’s there.

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Kragar  May 26, 2017 • 10:46:05am
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Belafon  May 26, 2017 • 10:46:16am

re: #402 Dr Lizardo

Seeing that clip with Netanyahu, yeah, Trump looks like he doesn’t know where he is or why he’s there.

He thought he’d left the middle east. He couldn’t figure out why he was still there.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 26, 2017 • 10:47:24am

re: #401 HappyWarrior

If you can’t bother to pay someone 15 cents more who handles your food, maybe you shouldn’t be going out to beat that much. It’s as my cousin, who has worked in the restaurant industry, don’t go out to eat if you’re not going to bother tipping the wait staff.

We have a problem with people “going out to beat” on the Chicago El. One time an old lady told the creep “oh, put that away!”

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nines09  May 26, 2017 • 10:48:28am

re: #402 Dr Lizardo

Seeing that clip with Netanyahu, yeah, Trump looks like he doesn’t know where he is or why he’s there.

Would explain his looping speeches at his rallies. He’s got himself down as far as self aggrandizing. How the fuck did anyone ever give this bag of hammers a nickel?

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Stanley Sea  May 26, 2017 • 10:50:18am

This guy is evil.

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nines09  May 26, 2017 • 10:51:10am

re: #407 Stanley Sea

Trump has him on speed dial.

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Kragar  May 26, 2017 • 10:51:28am
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wrenchwench  May 26, 2017 • 10:51:49am

re: #406 nines09

Would explain his looping speeches at his rallies. He’s got himself down as far as self aggrandizing. How the fuck did anyone ever give this bag of hammers a nickel?

All the people with all the nickels said, ‘Here’s somebody who will do what I want. Somebody can make him do it.’

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 26, 2017 • 10:52:07am

re: #407 Stanley Sea

This guy is evil.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 10:52:20am

re: #407 Stanley Sea

This guy is evil.

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Trump’s best pal in Asia.

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steve_davis  May 26, 2017 • 10:53:27am

re: #52 Kragar

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ah, destroying the slaver compound with the sniper rifle, while the shady guy puts the turbo-boost on the car. Good times!

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FormerDirtDart  May 26, 2017 • 10:54:00am

re: #396 goddamnedfrank

Do you want Thalidomide Babies? Because this is how you get Thalidomide Babies.

Please…The free market will totally regulate itself…

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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 10:58:45am
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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 11:00:39am

re: #415 The Vicious Babushka

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And then they complain that too many kidsare embracing socialism. Maybe you shouldn’t make your vision of capitalism so heartless you stupid fucks.

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Belafon  May 26, 2017 • 11:01:44am

re: #414 FormerDirtDart

Please…The free market will totally regulate itself…

Is there a want/need for them?

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Interesting Times  May 26, 2017 • 11:03:30am

re: #329 Renaissance_Man

Impossible. They belong to a cult. And they’re not all morons - many are very intelligent, but that in itself is no barrier to joining a cult.

Cultists will kill themselves if told to. If it was their own family member journalist that was murdered, they would still vote for whoever they are told to.

These voters are lost. They cannot be persuaded. They can only be deprogrammed, and since that is all but impossible in this day of modern communications, they can only be outnumbered and overcome.

Quoting because this deserves to be seen again, and again, and again.

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Kragar  May 26, 2017 • 11:08:01am
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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 11:08:45am

re: #416 HappyWarrior

And then they complain that too many kidsare embracing socialism. Maybe you shouldn’t make your vision of capitalism so heartless you stupid fucks.

MAKING DICKENS NOVELS A REALITY AGAIN

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EPR-radar  May 26, 2017 • 11:08:55am

re: #407 Stanley Sea

The GOP platform committee will be taking notes on this.

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gocart mozart  May 26, 2017 • 11:11:21am

The Assasination of America by the Coward Donald J. Trump

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EPR-radar  May 26, 2017 • 11:12:21am

re: #416 HappyWarrior

And then they complain that too many kidsare embracing socialism. Maybe you shouldn’t make your vision of capitalism so heartless you stupid fucks.

I’m no communist, but IMO just about any level of wealth and income redistribution is easily justified by the 40-year disconnect between flat wages and rising productivity.

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wrenchwench  May 26, 2017 • 11:12:48am

[…]

The study suggests that empathy led people to choose particular negative emotional experiences that they believed would ultimately help their partner be successful in the context of the game.

“These findings shed light on social dynamics, helping us to understand, for instance, why we sometimes may try to make our loved ones feel bad if we perceive this emotion to be useful to achieve a goal,” López-Pérez concludes.

People are complicated.

I like Nick Lowe’s version.

Nick Lowe - Cruel to be Kind (Acoustic)

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Stanley Sea  May 26, 2017 • 11:13:43am

He’s addled

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 11:14:29am

re: #423 EPR-radar

I’m no communist, but IMO just about any level of wealth and income redistribution is easily justified by the 40-year disconnect between flat wages and rising productivity.

OR the return of pro labor policies.

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SteelPH  May 26, 2017 • 11:14:30am

re: #419 Kragar

But we’re the murderous fascists.
SMH

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CongoJack  May 26, 2017 • 11:16:02am

re: #427 SteelPH

cognitive dissonance run amuck

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The Vicious Babushka  May 26, 2017 • 11:17:47am
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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 11:18:05am

mic.com

SPLC posted this about Fianfrote, he’s much more than just Congressman Bodylsam.

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Teukka  May 26, 2017 • 11:20:37am

re: #419 Kragar

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re: #427 SteelPH

But we’re the murderous fascists.
SMH

re: #428 CongoJack

cognitive dissonance run amuck

Or it could be intentional accustoming the public to the idea of murdering people simply because of their political group.

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SteelPH  May 26, 2017 • 11:21:01am

re: #430 HappyWarrior

mic.com

SPLC posted this about Fianfrote, he’s much more than just Congressman Bodylsam.

Congressman WhiteSheets.

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Teukka  May 26, 2017 • 11:22:26am

re: #432 SteelPH

Congressman WhiteSheets.

WhiteSheets as in Kook Klutz Klan?

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SteelPH  May 26, 2017 • 11:22:52am

re: #433 Teukka

WhiteSheets as in Kook Klutz Klan?

Eeyup.

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HappyWarrior  May 26, 2017 • 11:23:42am

re: #433 Teukka

WhiteSheets as in Kook Klutz Klan?

Gianforte donated to the campaigns of both Taylor Rose, whom the Southern Poverty Law Center has described as a white nationalist, and Robert Saunders, who allegedly has a history of espousing anti-black racist views.

Gianforte is also linked to Idaho preacher Douglas Wilson, who has suggested in his writings that the “black family has never been stronger than it was under slavery” and that women are “created to be dependent and responsive to a man.” Gianforte received a $2,700 campaign donation from Saunders.

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blueraven  May 26, 2017 • 11:25:02am

re: #310 Barefoot Grin

HRC is lighting it up. Great speech. Fighting back against the all-out attacks on truth and reason, on the poor and vulnerable. God how different things should have been.

Yes, although in some ways, it wouldn’t be so different. I am talking about the great divide. Hillary, instead of Trump would be the one covered all over cable…investigations out the wazoo. Baseless, but there nonetheless. NYT and WaPo would join in with breathless headlines about EMAILS! Benghazi, Clinton Foundation, Bill…

The far-left would accuse her of being a shill for…well, everything.
Fox News would still be on top, instead of losing viewers.
Governance would still be difficult.

What would be very different though would be the respect America would enjoy from most of of the free world. At home, knowing we had a capable, extremely knowledgeable leader would be enormously reassuring and we probably wouldn’t be looking at the collapse of healthcare.

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Timothy Watson  May 26, 2017 • 11:26:19am

re: #349 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Hey now, don’t insult Dominar Rygel XVI that way!

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Birth Control Works  May 26, 2017 • 11:26:29am

The American Gestapo at work:

That last sentence is key, and is the crux of how the Trump administration has pursued the expansion of its enforcement efforts. On January 25, after barely a week in office, Trump released an executive order laying out who among the nation’s 11 million undocumented immigrants would be prioritized for removal from the country. The short answer: just about everyone. While President Obama—who, it should be noted, deported a record-breaking 2.8 million people while in office—set a series of enforcement priorities ostensibly focusing on gang members and those who’d been convicted of the most serious offenses, President Trump obliterated them. Under his watch, any deportable person who had been convicted of a crime, or charged but not yet convicted of a crime, or who had even committed a “chargeable criminal offense,” would be “prioritize[d]” for removal. Those who’d ever committed fraud before a government agency—like using a fake Social Security Number to work, which is an often inescapable part of undocumented life—would also be prioritized.

(shameless pages post)

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Dave In Austin  May 26, 2017 • 11:31:55am

re: #427 SteelPH

But we’re the murderous fascists.
SMH

Hey now… I had a wing nut label me “A Spokesmen for the Antifa”.

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Jebediah, RBG  May 26, 2017 • 11:37:14am

re: #56 teleskiguy

What happens when a Cat 5 hurricane slams into Miami while Fuckface Von Clownstick is president?

I cross my fingers and hope that fat fuckbag ends up in the bad part of Oz.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 26, 2017 • 11:39:14am

re: #439 Dave In Austin

Hey now… I had a wing nut label me “A Spokesmen for the Antifa”.

I had one accuse me too, and he was a former lizard. There are a lot of crazy people out there.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 26, 2017 • 11:40:34am

re: #441 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I had one accuse me too, and he was a former lizard. There are a lot of crazy people out there.

Former lizards tend to be former for a reason.

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piratedan  May 26, 2017 • 12:00:09pm

re: #424 wrenchwench

always an upding when you reference the Jesus of Cool

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Varek Raith  May 26, 2017 • 12:01:37pm

re: #51 Targetpractice

Up to a point, I’m at least willing to give it a chance. But the appearance of the Klingons leaves me…unimpressed.

True, at least the Discovery looks like it belongs in that time period.

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Jebediah, RBG  May 26, 2017 • 2:04:16pm

re: #92 Anymouse

We’ll have to see. The GOP is at the zenith of its power now. Every time in the past a party achieved this, it destroyed itself from infighting. I’m not sure the GOP has the wherewithal to save itself, but we’ll see.

There should be plenty of them (or at least their advisers) aware of the history you just sketched out. I think they are too arrogant and hubristic and take for granted that it will not happen to them. Maybe they have put a lot of faith in their voter-suppression campaign.


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