Trump’s Staff Finally Responds to Portland White Supremacist Murders

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Today Donald Trump’s staff finally tweeted something for him, tepidly denouncing the murders in Portland Oregon by a white supremacist.

We know this came from his staff and not from Trump himself, because:

  1. It came from his official @POTUS account, and was not echoed with his personal account, as he almost always does if it's actually him tweeting.
  2. He was giving his Memorial Day speech at Arlington Cemetery at the time of the tweet.

Nonetheless, much of the media are crediting Trump for denouncing this appalling hate crime. They shouldn’t, because he really didn’t. Time after time, Trump ignores hate crimes directed at Muslims, Jews, or African Americans, while missing no opportunity to publicly act outraged when a terror attack by Muslim extremists happens anywhere in the world.

We shouldn’t give Trump credit when his staff steps in for him, desperately trying to clean up his messes.

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covfefe  May 29, 2017 • 1:36:36pm

“Unacceptable”. Boy. What a strong condemnation. Not.

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scottslemmons  May 29, 2017 • 1:39:12pm

How long did it take him to denounce it? I was mad as hell about it on day fucking one.

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DodgerFan1988  May 29, 2017 • 1:40:07pm

Another racist hate crime.

rawstory.com

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jaunte  May 29, 2017 • 1:41:00pm
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Shiplord Kirel  May 29, 2017 • 1:46:50pm

Contrast with Senator Merkley’s tweet Friday night:

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Ming5000  May 29, 2017 • 1:47:53pm

So? His staff issued this tweet. Trump is probably spending quiet time with Milania and the kids.

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ObserverArt  May 29, 2017 • 1:49:29pm

re: #5 Shiplord Kirel

Contrast with Senator Merkley’s tweet Friday night:

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Well, it is obvious Trump’s staff didn’t want to go too far with the empathy keeping in mind the tweet was to appear to be from Trump.

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petesh  May 29, 2017 • 1:49:40pm

re: #6 Ming5000

So? His staff issued this tweet. Trump is probably spending quiet time with Milania and the kids.

It’s often a good idea to read a post before commenting on it.

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Ace Rothstein  May 29, 2017 • 1:54:31pm

I truly hate this family.

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2017 • 1:54:39pm
He was giving his Memorial Day speech at Arlington Cemetery at the time of the tweet.

And performing karaoke, or something.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 1:57:12pm

It took them so long enough.

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Barefoot Grin  May 29, 2017 • 1:59:22pm

Best assessment of life for Trump staffers by Ashley Parker:

By Ashley Parker May 29 at 3:00 PM
White House press secretary Sean Spicer was giddy at the thought of meeting Pope Francis during President Trump’s first trip abroad, telling acquaintances that for him, a devout Catholic, the moment would fulfill a bucket-list dream.

But when the White House finalized the lucky list of staff and family members who would accompany Trump into his private audience with the pontiff at the Vatican last week, Spicer’s name was nowhere to be found.

Enduring public humiliation has become a defining characteristic of Spicer’s tenure in the White House — from the “Saturday Night Live” parody in which a woman plays a ranting, red-faced Spicer to the constant rumors of his imminent dismissal. Yet being excluded from the papal visit still stunned his colleagues, many of whom expressed pity for him and were visibly uncomfortable talking about the slight.

In Trump’s White House, aides serve a president who demands absolute loyalty — but who doesn’t always offer it in return. Trump prefers a management style in which even compliments can come laced with a bite, and where enduring snubs and belittling jokes, even in public, is part of the job.”

washingtonpost.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2017 • 2:00:00pm

the disclaimer is no longer there, but the @POTUS twitter banner used to say that Scavino wrote the tweets unless a tweet was signed “DJT”.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 2:02:41pm

re: #12 Barefoot Grin

Best assessment of life for Trump staffers by Ashley Parker:

By Ashley Parker May 29 at 3:00 PM
White House press secretary Sean Spicer was giddy at the thought of meeting Pope Francis during President Trump’s first trip abroad, telling acquaintances that for him, a devout Catholic, the moment would fulfill a bucket-list dream.

But when the White House finalized the lucky list of staff and family members who would accompany Trump into his private audience with the pontiff at the Vatican last week, Spicer’s name was nowhere to be found.

Enduring public humiliation has become a defining characteristic of Spicer’s tenure in the White House — from the “Saturday Night Live” parody in which a woman plays a ranting, red-faced Spicer to the constant rumors of his imminent dismissal. Yet being excluded from the papal visit still stunned his colleagues, many of whom expressed pity for him and were visibly uncomfortable talking about the slight.

In Trump’s White House, aides serve a president who demands absolute loyalty — but who doesn’t always offer it in return. Trump prefers a management style in which even compliments can come laced with a bite, and where enduring snubs and belittling jokes, even in public, is part of the job.”

washingtonpost.com

Then I hope someone eventually tires of him belittling them and turns on him.

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Barefoot Grin  May 29, 2017 • 2:03:32pm

re: #14 HappyWarrior

Then I hope someone eventually tires of him belittling them and turns on him.

It wouldn’t surprise me if some of the leaks are a result of this.

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Ace Rothstein  May 29, 2017 • 2:03:46pm

re: #14 HappyWarrior

Then I hope someone eventually tires of him belittling them and turns on him.

Give it time.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 29, 2017 • 2:06:49pm
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covfefe  May 29, 2017 • 2:06:51pm

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ObserverArt  May 29, 2017 • 2:08:58pm

Bullies got to be bullying.

From our hand-it-out-but-can’t-take-it President.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 2:09:10pm

re: #15 Barefoot Grin

It wouldn’t surprise me if some of the leaks are a result of this.

Wouldn’t surprise me.

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Ace Rothstein  May 29, 2017 • 2:10:06pm

Can you even begin to imagine the books that will be written when this nightmare is over?

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 2:12:11pm

re: #21 Ace Rothstein

Can you even begin to imagine the books that will be written when this nightmare is over?

It’s going to be an interesting read.

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ObserverArt  May 29, 2017 • 2:13:30pm

re: #21 Ace Rothstein

Can you even begin to imagine the books that will be written when this nightmare is over?

I think some of them will be coming out very soon…before the nightmare is over. Hopefully they will help end it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2017 • 2:15:32pm

barf

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 2:15:59pm

What gets me pissed is the role of the far left parroting Putin talking points. Now some of these people are Russian saboteurs but others are genuine lefties who decided they hated Clinton so much that they would be okay with Trump’s election.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 2:19:02pm

I mean really. Most progressive DNC platform in years and you bitch because it doesn’t conform to your demands that the Dems adapt Trump’s idiocy on trade?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 29, 2017 • 2:19:52pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

I mean really. Most progressive DNC platform in years and you bitch because it doesn’t conform to your demands that the Dems adapt Trump’s idiocy on trade?

Purity ponies will accept any excuse.

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petesh  May 29, 2017 • 2:21:30pm

Everyone hates Politico, but when they’re right, they are, actually right:
politico.com

Bernie sounds good but Bernie basically does not win.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 2:21:38pm

re: #27 thedopefishlives

Purity ponies will accept any excuse.

They refuse to admit they’re ever at fault. And I’m sick of the damn lie that the DNC stole the nomination from Sanders. Sanders wasn’t able to get through very important constituencies in the Democratic Party. That’s why he lost. Instead of blaming the DNC, they should ask themselves why Bernie performs like a Republican among racial minority voters.

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ObserverArt  May 29, 2017 • 2:24:07pm

Why is everyone talking about Bernie Sanders. I wish we didn’t have to.

He should quietly retire to his common man home on the shores of Lake Champlain. /

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 2:24:22pm

re: #28 petesh

Everyone hates Politico, but when they’re right, they are, actually right:
politico.com

Bernie sounds good but Bernie basically does not win.

The man simply isn’t a leader. We’re in his fifth presidency in office. Can Sanders point to any significant legislation that he has passed? Leadership is much more than a voting record and it’s sad that so many people I know, smart and I must add good hearted people don’t see that.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 2:24:51pm

re: #30 ObserverArt

Why is everyone talking about Bernie Sanders. I wish we didn’t have to.

He should quietly retire to his common man home on the shores of Lake Champlain. /

Because Sanders despite not being a Democrat wants to be a kingmaker for Democratic offices.

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2017 • 2:25:00pm

I don’t know anything about #gamedev, but this has to be a metaphor for about half of everything.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 2:28:59pm

I honestly could deal with Sanders more if he just became a Democrat already but he’s being dishonest. He wants to retain his independent status and at the same time demand Democratic elected officials follow him. That’s just not right. He’s fine to endorse people but the Democratic Party really owed and owes him nothing. For as much as he loves to rag on the DNC, Sanders was fine with taking their money for his elections in Vermont. Money that could have gone to an actual Democrat.

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ObserverArt  May 29, 2017 • 2:30:19pm

re: #33 wrenchwench

I don’t know anything about #gamedev, but this has to be a metaphor for about half of everything.

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Big frog held on right down to the last two toes!

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Targetpractice  May 29, 2017 • 2:30:57pm

re: #28 petesh

Everyone hates Politico, but when they’re right, they are, actually right:
politico.com

Bernie sounds good but Bernie basically does not win.

Bernie has tried to style himself as a king-maker, but every campaign he touches ends up turning to shit. The answer why should be obvious: He butts into races where the Democrat needs to chart a moderate course, wraps his leathery arm around them, and in doing so gives the Republican an easy target.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 2:32:35pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

Bernie has tried to style himself as a king-maker, but every campaign he touches ends up turning to shit. The answer why should be obvious: He butts into races where the Democrat needs to chart a moderate course, wraps his leathery arm around them, and in doing so gives the Republican an easy target.

I’m really worried about him negatively impacting Perriello. Perriello doesn’t need Bernie. But exactly, Bernie feels wrongly that everyone thinks he’s great especially people in Republican states. He doesn’t want to admit that he benefited in many states not for being “progressive” than Clinton but rather for not being her.

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Stanley Sea  May 29, 2017 • 2:34:01pm

Aw, BeachDem isn’t here. This one’s perfect (to make her barf)

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ObserverArt  May 29, 2017 • 2:34:13pm

I think the last year plus changed Bernie. His wild popularity might have been more then he expected and it went to his head as he saw opportunities to be heard and eventually it created the Super Bernie we see today. If he would just climb down from his high horse he’d be better for everyone. Even himself.

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darthstar  May 29, 2017 • 2:34:48pm

Okay people…how do I find this fuckin’ gif of Trump going to shake hands with an aid who is just trying to keep him walking in the right direction?

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Kragar  May 29, 2017 • 2:36:09pm
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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 2:36:38pm

re: #38 Stanley Sea

Aw, BeachDem isn’t here. This one’s perfect (to make her barf)

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This did sound better in the original Korean.

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JordanRules  May 29, 2017 • 2:38:10pm

re: #38 Stanley Sea

Her lyin ass…

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Stanley Sea  May 29, 2017 • 2:38:41pm
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Ace Rothstein  May 29, 2017 • 2:38:55pm
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Kragar  May 29, 2017 • 2:39:00pm
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covfefe  May 29, 2017 • 2:40:01pm

re: #40 darthstar

Copy the link and paste it here:

tweet2gif.com

Currently seems to be down. It does that now and then. Try a bit later. :)

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darthstar  May 29, 2017 • 2:42:00pm
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bratwurst  May 29, 2017 • 2:42:07pm

A game show host has an interesting way of celebrating Memorial Day.

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PhillyPretzel  May 29, 2017 • 2:43:47pm

re: #38 Stanley Sea

That quote makes me run and get my hip waders and check to see if I can rent a backhoe. /half

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 2:44:09pm

re: #49 bratwurst

This man has an interesting way of celebrating Memorial Day.

He should stick to Game Shows. Lenin wasn’t Jewish either and Marx hard nothing directly to do with them.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 2:45:28pm

Here’s the thing. Whether you believed them or not, this administration ran on transparency and openess with the American public and yet tehy’re by far the most dishonest and least open administration you’ve ever seen. I’d just like to see Trump supporters admit that they were voting with their dicks and rage rather than their heads.

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ObserverArt  May 29, 2017 • 2:45:31pm

re: #49 bratwurst

This man has an interesting way of celebrating Memorial Day.

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No one would be shocked to find Woolery is a flaming bigoted asshole.

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darthstar  May 29, 2017 • 2:45:44pm

re: #47 GlutenFreeJesus

Copy the link and paste it here:

tweet2gif.com

Currently seems to be down. It does that now and then. Try a bit later. :)

Awesome, thanks.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 29, 2017 • 2:45:45pm

re: #49 bratwurst

This man has an interesting way of celebrating Memorial Day.

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What the actual fuck? Chuck woolery turned into antisemitic Cliff Claven? Kliff Klavern?

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Timothy Watson  May 29, 2017 • 2:45:47pm

re: #49 bratwurst

A game show host has an interesting way of celebrating Memorial Day.

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Wow, nothing like some anti-Semitic conspiracy theories for Memorial Day.

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jaunte  May 29, 2017 • 2:46:34pm

I missed this earlier. Disgraceful.

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ObserverArt  May 29, 2017 • 2:47:00pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Here’s the thing. Whether you believed them or not, this administration ran on transparency and openess with the American public and yet tehy’re by far the most dishonest and least open administration you’ve ever seen. I’d just like to see Trump supporters admit that they were voting with their dicks and rage rather than their heads.

So, the White Woman vote was all due to a rage I take it?

: )

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 2:47:03pm

re: #53 ObserverArt

No one would be shocked to find Woolery is a flaming bigoted asshole.

Sajak is too.A lot of game show hosts for some reason are right wing assholes.

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Ace Rothstein  May 29, 2017 • 2:48:04pm
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JordanRules  May 29, 2017 • 2:48:24pm

re: #58 ObserverArt

Yes. I believe the nice white lady said “fuck our feelings”.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 2:48:50pm

re: #58 ObserverArt

So, the White Woman vote was all due to a rage I take it?

: )

Ha I dunno man. I seriously do not get what people see in him. He is the snob that they professed to hate in Obama, the womanizer they hated about Bill Clinton, the elite they hated in Hillary, etc. Oh but all’s forgiven because he panders to their deep seated insecurity.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 2:49:32pm

re: #61 JordanRules

Yes. I believe the nice white lady said “fuck our feelings”.

They say that to us but then they go crying on Facebook about how the left are so, so intolerant to them.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 2:51:23pm

By the way, I think it’s hilarious that the Sons of Confederate Veterans, people descended from people who wanted to break away from the federal government want the federal government to maintain their memorials. These assholes can put the CSA flag on their cars or in their lawns, I don’t give a fuck but keep the CSA out of my wallet.

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jaunte  May 29, 2017 • 2:51:31pm

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JordanRules  May 29, 2017 • 2:51:55pm

re: #65 jaunte

Ahhh. There she is!

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 2:52:11pm

re: #65 jaunte

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Those two will be crying on CNN in a couple years about how much Trump “disappointed” them and “no one told them” that he was going to be this way.

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jaunte  May 29, 2017 • 2:52:26pm

re: #66 JordanRules

I keep it handy in case a Trumper complains about how they’re treated.

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Ace Rothstein  May 29, 2017 • 2:53:13pm

re: #65 jaunte

She looks like her face was photoshopped on that head.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 2:53:17pm

re: #68 jaunte

I keep it handy in case a Trumper complains about how they’re treated.

I mean these are the same people who mock liberal college kids for safe spaces.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 29, 2017 • 2:53:39pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

Those two will be crying on CNN in a couple years about how much Trump “disappointed” them and “no one told them” that he was going to be this way.

And we already have the perfect response queued up.

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Renaissance_Man  May 29, 2017 • 2:54:27pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

Ha I dunno man. I seriously do not get what people see in him. He is the snob that they professed to hate in Obama, the womanizer they hated about Bill Clinton, the elite they hated in Hillary, etc. Oh but all’s forgiven because he panders to their deep seated insecurity.

What they see is that he’s just like them. He’s an old white man of below average intelligence who uses simple words. But he watches the same TV, and so there are volumes of unspoken communication, because by saying a few magic phrases, people recognise a fellow cult member, and many articles of faith and dogma are communicated. So they know, without having to understand his words, that he believes the same things they do. They know that he hates Obama, and liberals, as much as they do. And that’s all that matters. He hates, they hate, and their support will never waver as long as they can still feel hate.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 29, 2017 • 2:54:48pm

But, hey - don’t call them stupid.

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petesh  May 29, 2017 • 2:55:11pm

re: #59 HappyWarrior

Sajak is too.A lot of game show hosts for some reason are right wing assholes.

High point of Ben Stein’s career

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Ace Rothstein  May 29, 2017 • 2:55:48pm

re: #65 jaunte

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 2:56:26pm

re: #71 Blind Frog Belly White

And we already have the perfect response queued up.

Snicker, I know. I mean I’m sorry but while I am an understanding person, I’m not bending over backwards to feel bad for the people who refused to listen this fall. The media needs to stop doing these sob stories on the dumb Trump voters who are now worried about what’s going to happen to them. There’s plenty of people who know what Trump was gong to do who are experiencing the same. Tohse people, I have sympathy for. They knew what Trump was all about but these two assholes were too busy chanting Lock Her Up to see that they were supporting the biggest con man to seek the Oval Office.

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jaunte  May 29, 2017 • 2:56:47pm

re: #75 Ace Rothstein

Aaack!

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 2:57:08pm

re: #75 Ace Rothstein

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Trump would rate her a negative three and she would love it.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 2:58:19pm

re: #72 Renaissance_Man

What they see is that he’s just like them. He’s an old white man of below average intelligence who uses simple words. But he watches the same TV, and so there are volumes of unspoken communication, because by saying a few magic phrases, people recognise a fellow cult member, and many articles of faith and dogma are communicated. So they know, without having to understand his words, that he believes the same things they do. They know that he hates Obama, and liberals, as much as they do. And that’s all that matters. He hates, they hate, and their support will never waver as long as they can still feel hate.

You know, I actually thought that Christie and by the same extention Trump wouldn’t win a GOP primary because he was too “urban” and “east coast” but Trump has shown that the easiest way to the hearts of the GOP electorate is through their resentments.

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(Bert the Turtle)  May 29, 2017 • 2:58:31pm

re: #75 Ace Rothstein

Belt buckle?

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 2:58:43pm

Ace why the downding? That was a joke.

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darthstar  May 29, 2017 • 3:01:21pm

re: #47 GlutenFreeJesus

Found a downloader for Android…that did the trick.

Cheers.

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darthstar  May 29, 2017 • 3:03:52pm
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jaunte  May 29, 2017 • 3:04:31pm
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jaunte  May 29, 2017 • 3:04:56pm

Oh, and also, “white power.”

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ObserverArt  May 29, 2017 • 3:06:15pm

re: #71 Blind Frog Belly White

And we already have the perfect response queued up.

I would go with the shortened version.

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Skip Intro  May 29, 2017 • 3:06:37pm

re: #83 darthstar

He lost that one before he was elected.

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Belafon  May 29, 2017 • 3:07:00pm

re: #75 Ace Rothstein

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I wish someone could have asked her if any man could do it? I can’t believe (but I can) that a woman would miss the point.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 3:08:12pm

re: #84 jaunte

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Just an economical anxious voice I’m sure. //

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darthstar  May 29, 2017 • 3:08:20pm

re: #87 Skip Intro

He lost that one before he was elected.

Yeah, I noticed the date as i was posting…but ‘llama shit’

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(Bert the Turtle)  May 29, 2017 • 3:09:23pm

re: #88 Belafon

I wish someone could have asked her if any man could do it? I can’t believe (but I can) that a woman would miss the point.

I don’t know why, call it a hunch, but I get the feeling she wouldn’t really get your point. I know, I know.. stop being judgemental of a woman who took the time to draw up such a positive message on a shirt.

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JordanRules  May 29, 2017 • 3:09:34pm
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ObserverArt  May 29, 2017 • 3:11:31pm

re: #92 JordanRules

Charles M. Blow ✔ @CharlesMBlow
Also not to be forgotten, on this day-#MemorialDay-90 years ago Trump’s father Fred was arrested at a KKK rally in Queens… #YesThatHappened
5:38 PM - 29 May 2017
886 886 Retweets 1,265 1,265 likes

The nut doesn’t fall far from the father.

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Barefoot Grin  May 29, 2017 • 3:12:20pm

re: #65 jaunte

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A lot of beer went into making that couple.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2017 • 3:12:35pm

re: #49 bratwurst

A game show host has an interesting way of celebrating Memorial Day.

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Marx and Lenin would be shocked to learn that as well

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2017 • 3:15:58pm

BEES

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2017 • 3:17:42pm

re: #55 Blind Frog Belly White

What the actual fuck? Chuck woolery turned into antisemitic Cliff Claven? Kliff Klavern?

He has been a raving loon for quite some time now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2017 • 3:18:23pm

re: #58 ObserverArt

So, the White Woman vote was all due to a rage I take it?

: )

it was that time of the month…

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 29, 2017 • 3:20:05pm

re: #96 wrenchwench

BEES

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We don’t have bumblebees out here. But we do have Carpenter Bees, which are similar sized. There was one getting nectar from our poppies out front, but it was so massive that every time it landed on a flower, that flower would droop almost to the ground. It was fun to watch! It would take off and the flower would catapult back up.

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Shiplord Kirel  May 29, 2017 • 3:24:04pm

re: #90 darthstar

Yeah, I noticed the date as i was posting…but ‘llama shit’

As I mentioned a few days ago, the Peruvian Navy’s historic hospital ship Puno (1872) is fueled with llama dung, this apparently being plentiful around Lake Titicaca.

The 140 ton Peruvian Coastguard patrol vessel “Puno” (ex-“Yapari”), sister ship to the “Yavari” and still in commission in 2007! Built by the Thames Iron Works, London in 1861-62 under contract from the James Watt Foundary, Birmingham as a gunboat for the Peruvian Navy with 2X24 pdrs for use on Lake Titicaca. Dismantled and shipped to Arica (then part of Peru), sent by train to Tacna and then on mules to Puno on Lake Titicaca and re-erected. Fought in the War of the Pacific 1879-83 between Peru, Bolivia and Chile. Originally had a Watt steam engine. At Puno11/07.

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ObserverArt  May 29, 2017 • 3:24:22pm

re: #99 Blind Frog Belly White

We don’t have bumblebees out here. But we do have Carpenter Bees, which are similar sized. There was one getting nectar from our poppies out front, but it was so massive that every time it landed on a flower, that flower would droop almost to the ground. It was fun to watch! It would take off and the flower would catapult back up.

Carpenter bees are unique. The drones can’t sting. Only the Queen can, and of course that isn’t a good thing because she would die. The drones act all bad and buzz you, but nothing they can do. They like bare wood. They drill nice holes!

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JordanRules  May 29, 2017 • 3:24:38pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’d re-holster that one, find the sarc tags and re-holster it again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2017 • 3:27:11pm

re: #75 Ace Rothstein

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and what she doesn’t realize is that trump wouldn’t even see her long enough to grab her pussy because she’s not supermodel attractive.
She’s just roadkill as far as he’s concerned and not worth a second look look, much less a first look, even on passing.

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PhillyPretzel  May 29, 2017 • 3:27:48pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #102 JordanRules

It is one of those statements that works well in many a situation.

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Amory Blaine  May 29, 2017 • 3:29:07pm

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Stanley Sea  May 29, 2017 • 3:29:11pm

Add this to the list

We are going down the slope quickly.

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JordanRules  May 29, 2017 • 3:31:53pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2017 • 3:32:33pm

re: #102 JordanRules

I’d re-holster that one, find the sarc tags and re-holster it again.

thus my “…” at the end of that post.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2017 • 3:34:37pm

re: #106 Stanley Sea

Add this to the list

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We are going down the slope quickly.

saw that on my TL earlier today…still waiting to hear where the bullet(s) came from and if the H-L was the actual target and, if so, why.

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darthstar  May 29, 2017 • 3:36:52pm
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BeachDem  May 29, 2017 • 3:37:00pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

Bernie has tried to style himself as a king-maker, but every campaign he touches ends up turning to shit. The answer why should be obvious: He butts into races where the Democrat needs to chart a moderate course, wraps his leathery arm around them, and in doing so gives the Republican an easy target.

Even when BoB “goddess” Nina Turner showed up to run her mouth, the Our Revolution candidate for state chair lost in California (although she hasn’t yet conceded, because if BoBers are anything, it’s sore losers.)

Same shit at our state convention—lots of mouth-running about the “grass-roots activist” candidate (who was anything but) and fighting the “establishment.” She lost big—like 28% to something like 66% (another whiner, who went on about how everything was rigged got about 6%.) Yep—they ran their mouths, but they didn’t get their people qualified as delegates. (That would have been SoOOO hard.)

The guy who won actually knows how to run campaigns…and raise money…and analyze voter information. What a concept.

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JordanRules  May 29, 2017 • 3:38:23pm

Eric has a passionate thread response as usual.

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Stanley Sea  May 29, 2017 • 3:38:33pm

re: #110 darthstar

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calochortus  May 29, 2017 • 3:38:36pm

re: #110 darthstar

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And, of course, let’s pretend that silliness was true. So what?

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BeachDem  May 29, 2017 • 3:39:27pm

re: #38 Stanley Sea

Aw, BeachDem isn’t here. This one’s perfect (to make her barf)

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Oh, I’m here (and ready to barf.)

Good to know spokesmodel Hope has such glowing opinions of the yam. Wow—from being a model and PR flack for Ivanka to being the yam’s main cheerleader. What a racket.

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JordanRules  May 29, 2017 • 3:41:37pm

More Macron!

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Jack Burton  May 29, 2017 • 3:43:28pm
We know this came from his staff and not from Trump himself, because:

1. It came from his official @POTUS account, and was not echoed with his personal account, as he almost always does if it’s actually him tweeting.
2. He was giving his Memorial Day speech at Arlington Cemetery at the time of the tweet.

You forgot:

3. It contained complete, grammatically correct sentences without the use of the word “very”.

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2017 • 3:43:47pm
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JordanRules  May 29, 2017 • 3:48:27pm
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covfefe  May 29, 2017 • 3:51:41pm

re: #113 Stanley Sea

4 marriages. 5 kids. What would he be saying about Obama had he lived the same?

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2017 • 3:54:03pm
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John Carter  May 29, 2017 • 3:55:00pm

I just saw a picture of the third victim, a hero that is lucky to be alive, and he has a huge scar across his neck around his carotid artery.

So this guy basically went for their necks almost like he was trained and practiced.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 3:58:55pm

re: #116 JordanRules

More Macron!

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I wish we could have a leader like him. We did and then term limits got in the way.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 3:59:34pm

re: #119 JordanRules

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Same thing with the CSA. Don’t wave your CSA flag and tell me you love this country because you don’t. I’m sorry. You just don’t.

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MsJ  May 29, 2017 • 4:00:47pm

re: #12 Barefoot Grin

Best assessment of life for Trump staffers by Ashley Parker:

By Ashley Parker May 29 at 3:00 PM
White House press secretary Sean Spicer was giddy at the thought of meeting Pope Francis during President Trump’s first trip abroad, telling acquaintances that for him, a devout Catholic, the moment would fulfill a bucket-list dream.

How can Spicer be a “devout Catholic”? He’s nothing but a liar. A lying, psychopathic liar.

Spare me Sean. You get what you deserve. Your God doesn’t like liars.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 4:01:20pm

A lot of the CSA supporters while they were alive really had no hypocrisy to their credit. As soon as the South had lost, they went to Cuba or Brazil, two of the few remaining places in North and South America that still had slavery after the 13th amendment.

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2017 • 4:01:44pm

It’s not morning, but I think those are skateboards under those parakeets.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 29, 2017 • 4:02:39pm

re: #107 JordanRules

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My grandniece shared an interesting post on FB today. It was about White Fragility. Interestingly, the post itself is headed with a copy of another FB post, showing the author of the White Fragility post giving a presentation, entitled ‘White People Are Fragile’ and someone white saying ‘Is this acceptable in our high schools these days?’, which is, of course, the perfect demonstration of white fragility.

The biggest takeaway from the lengthy text of the post was that we white people tend to be so fixated on racism being a binary moral failing (You’re Racist, or you’re Not Racist, and if you’re Racist, you’re a BAD PERSON), that we can’t even talk about pervasive systemic racism without feeling under attack. I think this is what Ta-Nehisi Coates meant by white people needing “individual absolution”.

So, we can’t talk about racism without having to deny any racist feelings AT ALL. We can’t talk about black people being treated differently by cops without being accused of calling all cops Racists. We can’t talk about studies showing ‘black associated names’ getting half the rate of callbacks as ‘white associated names’ in applying for jobs without being accused of calling hiring managers Racists.

And if we can’t talk about it, we can’t fix it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2017 • 4:03:01pm
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Barefoot Grin  May 29, 2017 • 4:03:25pm

re: #125 MsJ

How can Spicer be a “devout Catholic”? He’s nothing but a liar. A lying, psychopathic liar.

Spare me Sean. You get what you deserve. Your God doesn’t like liars.

Bill Donohue, etc.

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(Bert the Turtle)  May 29, 2017 • 4:03:31pm

re: #127 wrenchwench

They’re no Tony Hawk, but that’ll do.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 4:03:42pm

re: #128 Blind Frog Belly White

My grandniece shared a interesting post on FB today. It was about White Fragility. Interestingly, the post itself is headed with a copy of another FB post, showing the author of the White Fragility post giving a presentation, entitled ‘White People Are Fragile’ and someone white saying ‘Is this acceptable in our high schools these days?’, which is, of course, the perfect demonstration of white fragility.

The biggest takeaway from the lengthy text of the post was that we white people tend to be so fixated on racism being a binary moral failing (You’re Racist, or you’re Not Racist, and if you’re Racist, you’re a BAD PERSON), that we can’t even talk about pervasive systemic racism without feeling under attack. I think this is what Ta-Nehisi Coates meant by white people needing “individual absolution”.

So, we can’t talk about racism without having to deny any racist feelings AT ALL. We can’t talk about black people being treated differently by cops without being accused of calling all cops Racists. We can’t talk about studies showing ‘black associate names’ getting half the rate of callbacks as ‘white associated names’ in applying for jobs without being accused of calling hiring managers Racists.

And if we can’t talk about it, we can’t fix it.

Nailed it.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 4:05:17pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s a total pander. And while I feel bad for those miners for losing their jobs, I need to point out again that economies are constantly in transition. When my Nana’s father was a young man, he drove a horse carriage. By the 1920’s and 1930’s, he worked as an elevator operator for a skyscraper in downtown Pittsburgh.

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2017 • 4:06:48pm

re: #131 (Bert the Turtle)

They’re no Tony Hawk, but that’ll do.

Nice one! Bird puns are few and far between.

Also a bird-and-skateboard double, in before HW’s!

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 4:07:01pm

re: #127 wrenchwench

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It’s not morning, but I think those are skateboards under those parakeets.

‘Ollie want a cracker.

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Patricia Kayden  May 29, 2017 • 4:08:06pm

re: #38 Stanley Sea

Aw, BeachDem isn’t here. This one’s perfect (to make her barf)

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Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2017 • 4:08:43pm

re: #135 HappyWarrior

‘Ollie want a cracker.

Oooh, a bird-and-skateboard double!

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 4:10:22pm

re: #137 wrenchwench

Oooh, a bird-and-skateboard double!

And were those Birdhouse boards that they were on?
en.wikipedia.org

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FormerDirtDart  May 29, 2017 • 4:11:16pm

Around the 41 second mark…

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Patricia Kayden  May 29, 2017 • 4:12:00pm

re: #113 Stanley Sea

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I used to love Chuck on “The Love Connection” which my whole family enjoyed watching together. Very disappointed that he turned out to be such a rightwing douche in real life.

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2017 • 4:12:28pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

And were those Birdhouse boards that they were on?
en.wikipedia.org

I think it’s a triple!

Birdhouse Skateboards (originally Birdhouse Projects) is a skateboard company formed by ex-Powell Peralta pros Tony Hawk and Per Welinder in 1992.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 4:13:20pm

re: #141 wrenchwench

I think it’s a triple!

Yep! I used to sort of follow skateboarding back in the day since one of my good friends was a skater as was my brother.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 4:13:51pm

re: #140 Patricia Kayden

I used to love Chuck on “The Love Connection” which my whole family enjoyed watching together. Very disappointed that he turned out to be such a rightwing douche in real life.

It’s sad. A lot of guys like him, Nugent, and others think the only way they can stay relevant is by being right wing douche weasels.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 4:14:13pm

re: #139 FormerDirtDart

Around the 41 second mark…

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So Trump was going to eliminate ISIS within the first 30 days huh.

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BeachDem  May 29, 2017 • 4:15:05pm

re: #125 MsJ

How can Spicer be a “devout Catholic”? He’s nothing but a liar. A lying, psychopathic liar.

Spare me Sean. You get what you deserve. Your God doesn’t like liars.

Well, supposedly Melania is also a devout Catholic, so there ya go.

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Patricia Kayden  May 29, 2017 • 4:15:44pm

re: #45 Ace Rothstein

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They’re unfazed because they’re confident that Republicans won’t do a dang thing to hold them accountable for their over-the-top grifting. They pretty much can get away with anything as long as Republicans control Congress. They need to be careful though because 2018 may bring a big change and consequences for their possibly illegal actions.

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darthstar  May 29, 2017 • 4:16:18pm

Way cool peanut farmer wearing an Allman Brothers Band shirt who later became President.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2017 • 4:16:31pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

So Trump was going to eliminate ISIS within the first 30 days huh.

well, he couldn’t say the magic words when he was in the ME this past week

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Skip Intro  May 29, 2017 • 4:16:33pm

re: #145 BeachDem

Well, supposedly Melania is also a devout Catholic, so there ya go.

So are Newt and Helmet Head Gingrich and Bill O’Reilly.

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2017 • 4:17:30pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Yep! I used to sort of follow skateboarding back in the day since one of my good friends was a skater as was my brother.

Last bike shop I worked at before I opened my own sold skateboards for a while. I’ve only followed from the BMX fringes.

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MsJ  May 29, 2017 • 4:17:55pm

re: #145 BeachDem

Well, supposedly Melania is also a devout Catholic, so there ya go.

Uh huh. Sure thing. I believe that. //

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 4:18:37pm

re: #150 wrenchwench

Last bike shop I worked at before I opened my own sold skateboards for a while. I’ve only followed from the BMX fringes.

They always had really cool shoes. I wore skate shoes from 7th-9th grade.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 4:18:54pm

re: #149 Skip Intro

So are Newt and Helmet Head Gingrich and Bill O’Reilly.

Sean Hannity, Paul Ryan, etc.

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2017 • 4:21:33pm

re: #152 HappyWarrior

They always had really cool shoes. I wore skate shoes from 7th-9th grade.

I had Vans from their original store in Anaheim when you could take fabric in and have ‘em made custom. My three sisters and I got Vans to match our matching dresses my gramma made us. Fortunately, we outgrew that stuff pretty quick.

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Skip Intro  May 29, 2017 • 4:24:26pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

I’m focusing on the serial adulterers and sexual predictors here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2017 • 4:25:17pm

indeed…

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 4:25:58pm

It’s so funny to see a screed from Shapiro’s Daily Wire complaing that Liberals teach their kids to hate people not like them. I mean really guys. Who calls people on welfare, parasites? Who calls people thugs without knowing a damn thing about someone? I’m sick and tired of conservatives crying about how the left is givign the right what they’ve given us for years. Sorry but when your ideology made Rush fucking Limbaugh a popular person to your ideological adherents, you don’t get to lecture me about hate and intolerance.

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Barefoot Grin  May 29, 2017 • 4:27:57pm

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

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indeed…

For me it was in a class with a very young Andrew Giuliani during his father’s inauguration.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2017 • 4:33:47pm

did not know that Louise was an actual American citizen with voting rights…oh wait…probably not…

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 4:35:13pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

did not know that Louise was an actual American citizen with voting rights…oh wait…probably not…

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Unfortunately Lieu can never run for President having been born in Taiwan. Can I be blunt here? I hate that requirement. I really feel someone foreign born then naturalized should be able to run.

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Timothy Watson  May 29, 2017 • 4:36:26pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

did not know that Louise was an actual American citizen with voting rights…oh wait…probably not…

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She’s married to an American, so it wouldn’t be too hard for her to get citizenship.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2017 • 4:36:56pm

re: #161 Timothy Watson

She’s married to an American, so it wouldn’t be too hard for her to get citizenship.

but she has, so far, not applied for US citizenship.

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2017 • 4:37:40pm
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Skip Intro  May 29, 2017 • 4:41:32pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Unfortunately Lieu can never run for President having been born in Taiwan. Can I be blunt here? I hate that requirement. I really feel someone foreign born then naturalized should be able to run.

How about Orly Taitz? Think she should be able to run?

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2017 • 4:42:47pm

re: #164 Skip Intro

How about Orly Taitz? Think she should be able to run?

No, nor Trump, yet he did, and here we are.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 4:44:09pm

re: #164 Skip Intro

How about Orly Taitz? Think she should be able to run?

No but Trump is just as nutty and American born. I am just saying that people who are foreign born but naturalized can do and run for Congress and become part of the cabinet too.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 4:44:29pm

re: #165 wrenchwench

No, nor Trump, yet he did, and here we are.

Right, that’s my point. I know it’s a controversial opinion.

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Skip Intro  May 29, 2017 • 4:45:53pm

Look, you get rid of that requirement and someone like Ted Cruz could run for president. Is that what you want?

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 4:46:36pm

re: #168 Skip Intro

Look, you get rid of that requirement and someone like Ted Cruz could run for president. Is that what you want?

He did run for President, remember?

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 29, 2017 • 4:47:21pm

re: #168 Skip Intro

Look, you get rid of that requirement and someone like Ted Cruz could run for president. Is that what you want?

Well it would at least give the birthers less ammo.

Half /

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 4:47:27pm

Just saying, if we let non US born people run for Congress, governor, and serve in the cabinet. Why not let them run for President too?

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Skip Intro  May 29, 2017 • 4:47:34pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

He did run for President, remember?

Dammit! Why was I not informed?

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BeachDem  May 29, 2017 • 4:47:59pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Unfortunately Lieu can never run for President having been born in Taiwan. Can I be blunt here? I hate that requirement. I really feel someone foreign born then naturalized should be able to run.

Two words—Rupert Murdoch.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 4:48:11pm

re: #172 Skip Intro

Dammit! Why was I not informed?

Honestly, I’m stumped to how he was able to.

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Skip Intro  May 29, 2017 • 4:48:40pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

Just saying, if we let non US born people run for Congress, governor, and serve in the cabinet. Why not let them run for President too?

Because the GOP would vote for Vladimir Putin in a heartbeat, that’s why.

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Jack Burton  May 29, 2017 • 4:48:54pm

re: #173 BeachDem

Two words—Rupert Murdoch.

Or Peter Thiel.

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BeachDem  May 29, 2017 • 4:49:02pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

Honestly, I’m stumped to how he was able to.

Murrkin mother.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 4:49:08pm

re: #173 BeachDem

Two words—Rupert Murdoch.

I know, I know. I just feel as I said in my above that we already let them serve in Congress, as governors, and on the courts, so why not president. I knew, I’d stir up a hornet’s nest od discussion with this.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 4:49:33pm

re: #177 BeachDem

Murrkin mother.

So that would mean my cousin’s children could run.

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Skip Intro  May 29, 2017 • 4:49:41pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

Honestly, I’m stumped to how he was able to.

Orthodox birthers would say Trump was ineligible as well, since his mother wasn’t a native born citizen.

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Joe Bacon  May 29, 2017 • 4:49:55pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

Just saying, if we let non US born people run for Congress, governor, and serve in the cabinet. Why not let them run for President too?

NO! Arnold was a disaster here in California.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 4:50:27pm

re: #175 Skip Intro

Because the GOP would vote for Vladimir Putin in a heartbeat, that’s why.

Well obviously I’d want them to be a resident of the U.S. for a certain amount of years first. And they’d have to denounce any other citizenship they had.

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Skip Intro  May 29, 2017 • 4:50:41pm

re: #175 Skip Intro

Or Roberto Duarte.

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2017 • 4:50:52pm

re: #167 HappyWarrior

Right, that’s my point. I know it’s a controversial opinion.

I’m with ya. We need standards, and ‘natural born American’ is not one of the ones we need.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 4:51:39pm

re: #181 Joe Bacon

NO! Arnold was a disaster here in California.

But it wasn’t because he was foreign born. It was because he was a movie star who had no idea what he was doing. Reagan was just as unqualified as Arnie. I see what y’all are saying but at the same time, there are some foreign born people who I’d be or been fine ith as President.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 4:52:00pm

re: #184 wrenchwench

I’m with ya. We need standards, and ‘natural born American’ is not one of the ones we need.

Yeah, I just think it’s outdated IMO.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 4:52:56pm

re: #183 Skip Intro

Or Roberto Duarte.

Again, it’s not like this person wouldn’t have to be a US citizen for a number of years or something like that. I’m talking about someone like Ted Lieu who came to this country as a child. There are a lot of people like that in our country.

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Decatur Deb  May 29, 2017 • 4:54:08pm

Back from travel.

Seventy-three years ago today, at 2:08 in the afternoon, the Decatur Deb and 7 of her crew were destroyed at Ebendorf, near Magdeburg.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 4:54:09pm

re: #180 Skip Intro

Orthodox birthers would say Trump was ineligible as well, since his mother wasn’t a native born citizen.

That’s right. Hell Coulter’s big thing was limiting sufferage to only those with all four grandparents being born in the US which would make me the first person in my family that could vote despite having some sort of family in this country since Washington’s first term.

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Skip Intro  May 29, 2017 • 4:55:07pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I just think it’s outdated IMO.

Well Happy, it is just a goddamed piece of paper, after all, as were learning in the age of Trump. I guarantee you that if the GOP wants a non native born candidate for president, then by God they’re not going to let some stupid rule probably written by a Democrat get in the way.

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2017 • 4:56:11pm

re: #188 Decatur Deb

Back from travel.

Seventy-three years ago today, at 2:08 in the afternoon, the Decatur Deb and 7 of her crew were destroyed at Ebendorf, near Magdeburg.

Good to ‘see’ you. ‘Happy’ Memorial Day.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 4:56:49pm

re: #190 Skip Intro

Well Happy, it is just a goddamed piece of paper, after all, as were learning in the age of Trump. I guarantee you that if the GOP wants a non native born candidate for president, then by God they’re not going to let some stupid rule probably written by a Democrat get in the way.

True that. I’m just saying that I don’t understand why legally anyhow we’re okay with foreign born folks serving in the cabinet, the high ranks of the military, Congress, and governors’ mansions but draw the line at the presidency. Maybe there’s something I’m missing here but I really just think it’s outdated.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 29, 2017 • 4:58:28pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Unfortunately Lieu can never run for President having been born in Taiwan. Can I be blunt here? I hate that requirement. I really feel someone foreign born then naturalized should be able to run.

As the father of two foreign born children, I agree. But a nation xenophobic enough to elect Trump President isn’t going to amend the Constitution to fix that.

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lawhawk  May 29, 2017 • 5:00:21pm

It’s Memorial Day, so Fox gets Nugent on to pontificate about how some folks are hating on a draft dodging President. Yeah, they ran out of convicted felons today.

And Chuck Woolery? Ass clown exposes himself as an anti-Semitic bigot. What a shocker. Scratch a right wing nut job, find a bigot.

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Skip Intro  May 29, 2017 • 5:00:33pm

re: #193 Big Beautiful Door

As the father of two foreign born children, I agree. But a nation xenophobic enough to elect Trump President isn’t going to amend the Constitution to fix that.

At this point in time I don’t want anybody doing anything to change the Constitution.

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Skip Intro  May 29, 2017 • 5:01:38pm

re: #194 lawhawk

Apparently serving in the military wasn’t an option.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 5:02:37pm

re: #193 Big Beautiful Door

As the father of two foreign born children, I agree. But a nation xenophobic enough to elect Trump President isn’t going to amend the Constitution to fix that.

Yeah, it’s in my hypothetical HW becomes dictator fantasy.

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jeffreyw  May 29, 2017 • 5:02:48pm

re: #188 Decatur Deb

I dropped this in another thread for you, it’s another
Deb but those are not aircrew, more’s the pity!

Flickr

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 5:03:03pm

re: #194 lawhawk

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It’s Memorial Day, so Fox gets Nugent on to pontificate about how some folks are hating on a draft dodging President. Yeah, they ran out of convicted felons today.

And Chuck Woolery? Ass clown exposes himself as an anti-Semitic bigot. What a shocker. Scratch a right wing nut job, find a bigot.

Well you could have started by getting your vocal chords removed and selling your beloved guns to charity, Ted.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 5:03:37pm

re: #195 Skip Intro

At this point in time I don’t want anybody doing anything to change the Constitution.

That’s certainly fair.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 29, 2017 • 5:04:13pm

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Yeah, it’s in my hypothetical HW becomes dictator fantasy.

I have a lot of those too. Between us, we could probably correct every problem the country has in an afternoon./

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 5:04:49pm

Couldn’t FNC find an actual vet rather than the guy who shat his pants to get out of the draft? I mean even a right wing asshole like Gohmert would be more credible since even he’s a vet at least.

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Citizen K  May 29, 2017 • 5:05:01pm

This day in Taking Away The Exact Wrong Lesson (h/t/ to Morzer at Balloon Juice):

Portland Republican says party should use militia groups after racial attack (emphasis mine)

On Monday, Donald Trump issued a belated message of condolence. Asked about the president’s tweet, Portland mayor Ted Wheeler told the Guardian: “Our current political climate allows far too much room for those who spread bigotry. Violent words can lead to violent acts.

“All elected leaders in America, all people of good conscience, must work deliberately change our political dialogue.”

Multnomah County GOP chair James Buchal, however, told the Guardian that recent street protests had prompted Portland Republicans to consider alternatives to “abandoning the public square”.

“I am sort of evolving to the point where I think that it is appropriate for Republicans to continue to go out there,” he said. “And if they need to have a security force protecting them, that’s an appropriate thing too.”

Asked if this meant Republicans making their own security arrangements rather than relying on city or state police, Buchal said: “Yeah. And there are these people arising, like the Oath Keepers and the Three Percenters.”

Asked if he was considering such groups as security providers, Buchal said: “Yeah. We’re thinking about that. Because there are now belligerent, unstable people who are convinced that Republicans are like Nazis.”

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2017 • 5:05:08pm

Later, lizards.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 5:05:41pm

re: #201 Big Beautiful Door

I have a lot of those too. Between us, we could probably correct every problem the country has in an afternoon./

I have getting rid of the electoral college, replacing the sales tax with a higher income tax because I don’t like to do math, and getting rid of bans on hard liquor in grocery stores.

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bratwurst  May 29, 2017 • 5:05:46pm

Here is a thread from someone who is apparently outraged that people are reacting to Chuck Woolery’s comment by referring to him as a “game show host”.

On the scale of horrible behavior on Twitter, reminding people that a certain deep thinker earned his living telling people “we’ll be back in 2 & 2!” doesn’t register terribly high.

I’d also suggest that if this person had experienced parts of his family being murdered simply for being Jews, he might go a wee bit stronger than characterizing Woolery’s words as “ill advised”.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 5:06:27pm

re: #203 Citizen K

This day in Taking Away The Exact Wrong Lesson (h/t/ to Morzer at Balloon Juice):

Portland Republican says party should use militia groups after racial attack (emphasis mine)

Maybe you shouldn’t form a militia group and if you don’t want people thinking you’re Nazis, stop talking about Muslims the way the Nazis did the Jews.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 5:06:49pm

re: #204 wrenchwench

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Later, lizards.

Mattis is said to have strong American ties.

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jaunte  May 29, 2017 • 5:07:11pm

Game show hosts, the unsung victims.

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Barefoot Grin  May 29, 2017 • 5:07:41pm

re: #194 lawhawk

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It’s Memorial Day, so Fox gets Nugent on to pontificate about how some folks are hating on a draft dodging President. Yeah, they ran out of convicted felons today.

And Chuck Woolery? Ass clown exposes himself as an anti-Semitic bigot. What a shocker. Scratch a right wing nut job, find a bigot.

Ted “there’s no limit to what I’d be willing to do to make this country great again” Nugent: how about a live recreation of you smearing peanut butter up your ass and then eating it to avoid the draft?*

*I can’t say I wouldn’t have avoided the draft if possible. But I’d have some fucking humility about it I’d like to hope.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 5:09:29pm

re: #206 bratwurst

Here is a thread from someone who is apparently outraged that people are reacting to Chuck Woolery’s comment by referring to him as a “game show host”.

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On the scale of horrible behavior on Twitter, reminding people that a certain deep thinker earned his living telling people “we’ll be back in 2 & 2!” on TV is pretty low on the scale of nastiness.

I’d also suggest that if this person had experienced parts of his family being murdered simply for being Jews, he might go a wee bit stronger than characterizing Woolery’s words as “ill advised”.

I expect Phil to be schooling every time a lefty entertainer is criticized as a mere entertainer when they disagree with Trump then. I know he found the comments Woolery made messed up but I see nothing wrong with dismissing him as a game show host either when it’s clear he knows nothing about the history of Communism and hte USSR.

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retired cynic  May 29, 2017 • 5:09:45pm

re: #205 HappyWarrior

I have getting rid of the electoral college, replacing the sales tax with a higher income tax because I don’t like to do math, and getting rid of bans on hard liquor in grocery stores.

How about ERA?

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Skip Intro  May 29, 2017 • 5:10:22pm

re: #203 Citizen K

Every day it becomes harder to ignore what the GOP is becoming.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 5:10:54pm

re: #212 retired cynic

How about ERA?

Of course. And the taxation of churches. And taking Wayne LaPierre’s and Ted Nugent’s guns once a day every year as a prank.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 5:11:33pm

re: #213 Skip Intro

Every day it becomes harder to ignore what the GOP is becoming.

Indeed. I’ve never liked the GOP that much but they grow worse and worse. I’m not going to be shocked if one of these guys eventually says the two girls deserved the hostility they got.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 29, 2017 • 5:13:42pm

I can’t help but reminded of the backstory from V for Vendetta:

“V: Our story begins, as these stories often do, with a young up-and-coming politician. He’s a deeply religious man and a member of the conservative party. He’s completely single-minded and has no regard for the political process. The more power he attains, the more obvious his zealotry and the more aggressive his supporters become.”

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 5:13:55pm

I have my serious and my fun ideas. I’m also going to follow through on the threat for a taco truck on every corner that Trump’s one surrogate worried about and they will be the best tacos and you will have your choice of corn tortillas as well!

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goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2017 • 5:14:42pm

re: #203 Citizen K

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Citizen K  May 29, 2017 • 5:15:09pm

re: #213 Skip Intro

Every day it becomes harder to ignore what the GOP is becoming.

They feel like they have no reason to hide what they really are, especially when you can pull something like this, and likely not pay a whit of a consequence for it. Half this country is absolutely begging for a war where they can kill libs, PoCs, LGBT folk, Muslims, and other undesirables.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 5:15:28pm

re: #218 goddamnedfrank

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Calls us snowflakes I bet but thinks Republicans need their own special security arrangements.

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teleskiguy  May 29, 2017 • 5:16:05pm

Everybody read this.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 5:16:18pm

re: #219 Citizen K

They feel like they have no reason to hide what they really are, especially when you can pull something like this, and likely not pay a whit of a consequence for it. Half this country is absolutely begging for a war where they can kill libs, PoCs, LGBT folk, Muslims, and other undesirables.

Two years ago I would have disagreed with you there but I have seen how genuinely ugly a lot of the right wing mindset and how much they despise so many of their fellow Americans to the point that yeah they’d be willing to kill them.

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(Bert the Turtle)  May 29, 2017 • 5:16:56pm

re: #209 jaunte

Game show hosts, the unsung victims.

… then they came for the game show hosts.

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Citizen K  May 29, 2017 • 5:17:02pm

re: #218 goddamnedfrank

Like…again, they seem more concerned about the label than the behavior. They feel like being called a Nazi is worse than being a fucking Nazi in all but name. They act like being called a racist is infinitely worse persecution than actual fucking racism.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 29, 2017 • 5:17:36pm

re: #222 HappyWarrior

Well two guys got killed last week defending a Muslim.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 5:17:53pm

re: #224 Citizen K

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Like…again, they seem more concerned about the label than the behavior. They feel like being called a Nazi is worse than being a fucking Nazi in all but name. They act like being called a racist is infinitely worse persecution than actual fucking racism.

They only think the Nazis are bad because they’ve been told the Nazis are bad. The most honest far right wing assholes embrace the Nazis when they learn what the Nazis were really about.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 5:18:11pm

re: #225 Eclectic Cyborg

Well two guys got killed last week defending a Muslim.

Yep and it was terrorism.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 29, 2017 • 5:18:42pm

re: #224 Citizen K

They’re considering Oath Keepers and Three Percenters as personal security for Republicans? Are they fucking NUTS?!

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goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2017 • 5:18:54pm
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Citizen K  May 29, 2017 • 5:21:27pm

re: #222 HappyWarrior

Two years ago I would have disagreed with you there but I have seen how genuinely ugly a lot of the right wing mindset and how much they despise so many of their fellow Americans to the point that yeah they’d be willing to kill them.

I mean…the worst part is that it’s not really new. Ann Coulter about a decade or so ago wrote a best-seller whose key take away was ‘The best way to talk to a liberal is with a baseball bat’. Rush Limbaugh said he wanted to ‘keep only enough liberals around as an example’ with they obvious undercurrent of eliminationism. I know I’m paraphrasing both, but the impetus has always been there. It’s just how at a fever pitch both in intensity and in terms of how much actual power there is to act on it now. I mean…it’s probably not hyperbole at this point that a Democratic politician could get assassinated and half the country would cheer.

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Citizen K  May 29, 2017 • 5:22:11pm

re: #228 thedopefishlives

They’re considering Oath Keepers and Three Percenters as personal security for Republicans? Are they fucking NUTS?!

Nuts? No. At this point, they know exactly what they’re doing. The GOP are fellow travelers.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 29, 2017 • 5:23:00pm

re: #231 Citizen K

Nuts? No. At this point, they know exactly what they’re doing. The GOP are fellow travelers.

Yeah, I know. It’s sad to watch. I hope Americans start snapping out of their collective mental funk, get their collective heads out of their asses, and start paying attention.

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Stanley Sea  May 29, 2017 • 5:23:03pm
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lawhawk  May 29, 2017 • 5:23:26pm

re: #229 goddamnedfrank

Democrats bitching among fellow Democrats that Bernie (not a Democrat) was pissing in the pool. Yeah, and as you correctly note, the DNC has precisely dick to do with the primary or general elections. Those are entirely in the purview of the state elections authorities. The DNC has absolutely nothing to do with it.

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FormerDirtDart  May 29, 2017 • 5:24:14pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 29, 2017 • 5:25:11pm

re: #228 thedopefishlives

They’re considering Oath Keepers and Three Percenters as personal security for Republicans? Are they fucking NUTS?!

Yes. Next question.

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bratwurst  May 29, 2017 • 5:25:39pm

re: #223 (Bert the Turtle)

… then they came for the game show hosts.

First they came for the game show hosts, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a game show host.

Then they came for the alt-right internet personalities, and I said—
Let me show you where to find them!

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Patricia Kayden  May 29, 2017 • 5:25:45pm

re: #233 Stanley Sea

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Kushner is not an elected official and yet is running much of our political apparatus. This wouldn’t be tolerated in a Democratic administration. Republicans yelled bloody murder about unelected Czars under President Obama. It’s amazing what Trumps can get away with.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 29, 2017 • 5:26:53pm

re: #238 Patricia Kayden

Different skin color something something.

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William Lewis  May 29, 2017 • 5:26:55pm

re: #188 Decatur Deb

Back from travel.

Seventy-three years ago today, at 2:08 in the afternoon, the Decatur Deb and 7 of her crew were destroyed at Ebendorf, near Magdeburg.

A toast to their memory & to all our absent friends.

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Stanley Sea  May 29, 2017 • 5:27:13pm

dude

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whitebeach  May 29, 2017 • 5:27:45pm

OK, OT, but I gotta mention it. I’m not a birder, but Saturday I saw a flash of color out back and called to my SIL, who was here for a holiday weekend meal and is very much a birder. I thought it might be the prothonotary warblers that nest here every year and that she loves to see.

SIL: “Oh my god, they’re painted buntings!”

I put on my glasses and the sun broke through and sure enough, there they were, the most colorful birds outside the tropics. Never in my life had I seen even one, and here were two males tussling right in front of me. Maybe something to do with global warming or whatever, but it was as beautiful as it was unexpected. Fuck Trump.

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makeitstop  May 29, 2017 • 5:28:48pm

re: #241 Stanley Sea

Jared Kushner spends 5 HOURS A DAY in meetings w/Trump

AKA ‘babysitter.’

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teleskiguy  May 29, 2017 • 5:29:00pm

Zonked out on prescription meds, he says.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 29, 2017 • 5:29:31pm

re: #244 teleskiguy

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Zonked out on prescription meds, he says.

That doesn’t make it any better. There’s a reason those things say, “Do not operate heavy machinery while under the influence.”

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Stanley Sea  May 29, 2017 • 5:29:36pm

re: #243 makeitstop

AKA ‘babysitter.’

He knows exactly how addled his FIL is.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 29, 2017 • 5:29:39pm

re: #241 Stanley Sea

If that trip was a success I’d love to see what they would consider a failure…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 29, 2017 • 5:30:05pm

re: #247 Eclectic Cyborg

If that trip was a success I’d love to see what they would consider a failure…

There’s no such thing. They can spin anything into a success. Nuclear war? We meant to do that.

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teleskiguy  May 29, 2017 • 5:31:14pm

So, Phish is playing 13 nights in Madison Square Garden this summer (INORITE?!?). Just to give you a little context.

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Patricia Kayden  May 29, 2017 • 5:31:38pm

re: #229 goddamnedfrank

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So while Trump destroy this country and US ties to allies, Claire and her ilk will relitigate the Democratic primaries which were won fair and square by Secretary Clinton because she got more of the minority vote?

Love how Claire and her ilk ignore evidence that Russia is behind Wikileaks and its targeting of Bernie supporters to sow discord within the Democratic Party.

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goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2017 • 5:31:44pm

re: #244 teleskiguy

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Zonked out on prescription meds, he says.

I don’t get how a dude can have that much money and not employ a full time sexy ninja chauffeuse.

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whitebeach  May 29, 2017 • 5:32:04pm

re: #244 teleskiguy

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Zonked out on prescription meds, he says.

Man has had four back operations. Breaks my heart, though. Greatest golfer I’ve ever seen.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 29, 2017 • 5:33:29pm

re: #251 goddamnedfrank

I don’t get how a dude can have that much money and not employ a full time sexy ninja chauffeuse.

He probably doesn’t have a whole lot of it left. One thing I’ve been realizing about sports personalities is that they tend to spend most of the millions they make, not really considering that their careers are going to be over before they think and that they may not be in a physical condition to keep making bank after they retire.

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Patricia Kayden  May 29, 2017 • 5:34:06pm

re: #224 Citizen K

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Like…again, they seem more concerned about the label than the behavior. They feel like being called a Nazi is worse than being a fucking Nazi in all but name. They act like being called a racist is infinitely worse persecution than actual fucking racism.

Democrats in Oregon really need to call out Republicans on this nonsense. This is dangerous. How many more need to die at the hands of Rightwing extremists for Republicans to stop playing with Fire? They have no shame.

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mmmirele  May 29, 2017 • 5:34:08pm

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ObserverArt  May 29, 2017 • 5:34:37pm

re: #247 Eclectic Cyborg

If that trip was a success I’d lovehate to see what they would consider a failure…

One small edit.

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Barefoot Grin  May 29, 2017 • 5:34:54pm

re: #253 thedopefishlives

He probably doesn’t have a whole lot of it left. One thing I’ve been realizing about sports personalities is that they tend to spend most of the millions they make, not really considering that their careers are going to be over before they think and that they may not be in a physical condition to keep making bank after they retire.

Yep, the overhead on being rich and famous is pretty steep, I’d bet.

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nines09  May 29, 2017 • 5:35:06pm

re: #251 goddamnedfrank

I don’t get how a dude can have that much money and not employ a full time sexy ninja chauffeuse.

Witnesses get pricy…

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teleskiguy  May 29, 2017 • 5:35:28pm

re: #251 goddamnedfrank

Tweeted! With attribution to you, of course.

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Citizen K  May 29, 2017 • 5:37:08pm

re: #254 Patricia Kayden

Democrats in Oregon really need to call out Republicans on this nonsense. This is dangerous. How many more need to die at the hands of Rightwing extremists for Republicans to stop playing with Fire? They have no shame.

This presumes that the Republicans don’t want the fire to spread. Like I said a few posts back, they seem to know exactly what they’re doing. They’re fellow travelers.

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Ace Rothstein  May 29, 2017 • 5:37:15pm

Game 1 is on. Go Penguins!

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jaunte  May 29, 2017 • 5:40:11pm
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retired cynic  May 29, 2017 • 5:40:16pm

re: #260 Citizen K

This presumes that the Republicans don’t want the fire to spread. Like I said a few posts back, they seem to know exactly what they’re doing. They’re fellow travelers.

Remember Malheur !

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teleskiguy  May 29, 2017 • 5:40:22pm

Ugh. Not sure how I feel about this.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 5:42:01pm

re: #262 jaunte

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And this is why Bernie needs to shut up when scolding minority groups for so called identity politics. You’re not getting your American livelihood questioned, Bernie, these people are.

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meteor  May 29, 2017 • 5:43:52pm

re: #127 wrenchwench

Yes! Parakeets!

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 5:44:05pm

If the DNC rigs things so much in favor of their favorites, why did it take so long for Clinton to clinch, why was Obama able to beat her? The fact of the matter is Sanders is a flawed candidate with limited appeal outside white people. He ran for the nomination of a diverse political party, many of whose interests he does not or regrettably in many cases want to understand.

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JordanRules  May 29, 2017 • 5:47:15pm

re: #233 Stanley Sea

Gaahhhhh!!!! Pull his clearance!!

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 5:48:30pm

For a bunch of so called non-racists, conservatives sure are fond of questioning the Americanness of anyone who doesn’t look like them that they disagree with. Because you know, American = pasty white asshole who thinks he’s the only real American.

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danarchy  May 29, 2017 • 5:49:17pm

re: #253 thedopefishlives

He probably doesn’t have a whole lot of it left. One thing I’ve been realizing about sports personalities is that they tend to spend most of the millions they make, not really considering that their careers are going to be over before they think and that they may not be in a physical condition to keep making bank after they retire.

As of last year I believe he was worth over 700 million. That is the kind of money it is hard to run out of. Assuming he has a decent money manager he should be making 10’s of millions a year.

Reminds me of the movie Brewster’s Millions.

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Cheechako  May 29, 2017 • 5:49:45pm

re: #268 JordanRules

Yah…pull Jared’s clearance. Daddy-in-Law will just tell him what he thought he heard in the briefing.

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JordanRules  May 29, 2017 • 5:50:12pm

re: #271 Cheechako

I know, I know. Sigh.

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Skip Intro  May 29, 2017 • 5:50:31pm

re: #264 teleskiguy

He should have used a driver.

I’ve got more.

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teleskiguy  May 29, 2017 • 5:53:38pm

re: #273 Skip Intro

I’ve got more.

What the hell. Go for it! Lay it on us!

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FormerDirtDart  May 29, 2017 • 5:57:51pm

re: #139 FormerDirtDart

Around the 41 second mark…

Aftermath…

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Citizen K  May 29, 2017 • 5:58:33pm

Sigh..because of course they would: Trump administration plans to minimize civil rights efforts in agencies

The Trump administration is planning to disband the Labor Department division that has policed discrimination among federal contractors for four decades, according to the White House’s newly proposed budget, part of wider efforts to rein in government programs that promote civil rights.

As outlined in Labor’s fiscal 2018 plan, the move would fold the Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs, now home to 600 employees, into another government agency in the name of cost-cutting.

The proposal to dismantle the compliance office comes at a time when the Trump administration is reducing the role of the federal government in fighting discrimination and protecting minorities by cutting budgets, dissolving programs and appointing officials unsympathetic to previous practices.

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Dave In Austin  May 29, 2017 • 6:00:05pm

re: #242 whitebeach

We get them every year. They nest in the cedars. Just looked at the feeder. And Mr. is there.

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Shiplord Kirel  May 29, 2017 • 6:00:43pm

Abuse survivors rip Boy Scouts for hiring ex-state senator to lobby against Child Victims Act

ALBANY — The Boy Scouts of America has hired a former state senator to lobby against legislation that would make it easier for child sex abuse victims to seek justice as adults.

The Boy Scouts this year are paying Dentons US $12,500 a month to lobby on three bills, including against the Child Victims Act.

Former Sen. Craig Johnson, a Long Island Democrat, is a principal for Dentons’ public policy and regulatory practice and one of two people from the firm registered since February to represent the Boy Scouts in Albany, according to filings with the state ethics commission.

Johnson referred questions to the Boy Scouts.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 6:02:09pm

re: #278 Shiplord Kirel

Abuse survivors rip Boy Scouts for hiring ex-state senator to lobby against Child Victims Act

Agh, can I be honest here? I’ve never been that fond of the Scouts. I am glad they’re over their institutional homophobia but at the same time they have a lot of other problems this being one of them.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 6:03:17pm

cnn.com

From CNN via the SPLC. Exactly. She nails it.

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Anymouse  May 29, 2017 • 6:04:54pm

re: #184 wrenchwench

I’m with ya. We need standards, and ‘natural born American’ is not one of the ones we need.

The original reason the the requirement was adopted for the Constitution was to prevent a foreign Manchurian Candidate (though they didn’t call it that) from rising to claim the Presidency in an election.

I’m not really comfortable with having Rodrigo Duterte as President, but there are an awful lot of people who are.

Most nations do not allow their chief executive/prime minister become leader of the nation for precisely the same reason.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 6:07:38pm

re: #281 Anymouse

The original reason the the requirement was adopted for the Constitution was to prevent a foreign Manchurian Candidate (though they didn’t call it that) from rising to claim the Presidency in an election.

I’m not really comfortable with having Rodrigo Duterte as President, but there are an awful lot of people who are.

Most nations do not allow their chief executive/prime minister become leader of the nation for precisely the same reason.

Again this is the problem I have with how people like yourself are presenting the debate. Someone like Rodrigo Duterte wouldn’t be able to run. I’m specifically referring to people like Ted Lieu who come to this country as children, get naturalized, serve in our armed forces, and presently in our Congress and would have been a citizen/resident for the US for a number of years. And honestly, if the worry was about a Manchurian Candidate, anyone with foreign born parents would be suspect and that simply is not right.

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retired cynic  May 29, 2017 • 6:09:49pm

There have been comments and links today about the Texas Lege dustup, and who better to speak truth than Juanita Jean? juanitajean.com

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 6:10:22pm

So it’s clear, when people like WW and I talk about getting rid of the US born requirement, we still support things like requirements for American residency and citizenship for a certain amount of years. Some of the finest patriots this country has ever produced are men and women who may not have been born within our borders but came here and made this country their own. I just don’t see why there’s a distinction between someone like my great grandfather who was born in Germany and his younger brothers and sisters who would have been born here in the US. I just think the fear of a foreign agent provocateur is misplaced.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 6:11:10pm

re: #283 retired cynic

There have been comments and links today about the Texas Lege dustup, and who better to speak truth than Juanita Jean? juanitajean.com

Rinaldi is Comenche for Dickbag.

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De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2017 • 6:11:34pm

With Mar-a-Lago shuttered for the season, caretaker Jack Torrance has plenty of spare time to practice his handball skills…

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Citizen K  May 29, 2017 • 6:13:24pm

re: #284 HappyWarrior

So it’s clear, when people like WW and I talk about getting rid of the US born requirement, we still support things like requirements for American residency and citizenship for a certain amount of years. Some of the finest patriots this country has ever produced are men and women who may not have been born within our borders but came here and made this country their own. I just don’t see why there’s a distinction between someone like my great grandfather who was born in Germany and his younger brothers and sisters who would have been born here in the US. I just think the fear of a foreign agent provocateur is misplaced.

Especially when the current Trumpian crisis shows that you can have an agent provacateur forwarding the interests of a belligerent state even under our current rules.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 6:14:02pm

And by the way, Ireland’s Taoiseach, Eamon De Valera was born in New York, City. Israel has had a number of foreign born heads of state. Canada’s first PM, John MacDonald was born in Glasgow.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 6:15:20pm

re: #287 Citizen K

Especially when the current Trumpian crisis shows that you can have an agent provacateur forwarding the interests of a belligerent state even under our current rules.

Exactly. I mean I get there are some foreign born people who shouldn’t be near the presidency. Murdoch, Cruz, and Arnie Schwartznagger come to mind but the reason for that IMO is because of who they are and not their place of birth.

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jaunte  May 29, 2017 • 6:15:51pm

re: #283 retired cynic

Earlier, I had missed the guy at :32 in the tan suit wearing a pistol.

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jaunte  May 29, 2017 • 6:17:16pm

Probably safe to predict a shooting in the Texas lege in the next couple of years.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 6:18:02pm

re: #291 jaunte

Probably safe to predict a shooting in the Texas lege in the next couple of years.

That’s scary to think about but yet not far fetched. Republicans there do want ot bring guns everywhere.

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jaunte  May 29, 2017 • 6:18:56pm

re: #292 HappyWarrior

They’re still gong to be exposed to threatening ideas.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 6:19:41pm

re: #293 jaunte

They’re still gong to be exposed to threatening ideas.

Yes, basic equality scares the crap out of Abbott and Patrick.

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retired cynic  May 29, 2017 • 6:20:25pm

Backchannels to Russia

Nancy LeTourneau summarizes the history of DT attempts at a backchannel with Flynn and Kushner, including that mysterious meeting that Erik Prince had (that I had rather forgotten about) in the Seychelles.

Something HAS to be going on!

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jaunte  May 29, 2017 • 6:22:04pm

How President Trump consumes — or does not consume — top-secret intelligence

“…The ways in which presidents have processed the material have varied greatly, based on their preferences. For instance, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush favored daily in-person oral briefings, according to David Priess, a former intelligence officer and CIA briefer. Some presidents read materials in narrative form, while others preferred shorter updates known as “snowflakes,” he said.
washingtonpost.com

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2017 • 6:23:09pm
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Anymouse  May 29, 2017 • 6:23:47pm

re: #233 Stanley Sea

I wish the press would quit using the term “back channel” to describe what Jared Kushner is alleged to have done with the Russian Embassy.

Back channels are legitimate lines of government communications with other governments for sensitive diplomatic conversations, and are perfectly legal.

Kushner is alleged to want to set up private communications, as a private citizen, through Russian equipment from the Russian Embassy to talk about things he didn’t want the government to know.

The correct term is not back channel.

It is alleged espionage.

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Anymouse  May 29, 2017 • 6:26:30pm

re: #282 HappyWarrior

Again this is the problem I have with how people like yourself are presenting the debate. Someone like Rodrigo Duterte wouldn’t be able to run. I’m specifically referring to people like Ted Lieu who come to this country as children, get naturalized, serve in our armed forces, and presently in our Congress and would have been a citizen/resident for the US for a number of years. And honestly, if the worry was about a Manchurian Candidate, anyone with foreign born parents would be suspect and that simply is not right.

Why not? Armed forces is not a requirement for President. If Duterte (or someone like him) became a naturalised citizen, under your scheme he most certainly could run. So could my sister-in-law, the former Soviet citizen. (She wouldn’t vote for a GOP candidate if you tortured her though.)

If that scheme had been in place earlier, any one a number of the former Nazis that gained citizenship here could have run.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 29, 2017 • 6:27:16pm

Getting caught up on last season of Supernatural, and one of the side characters, talking about a Nazi holdover group, calls them: Deutsch-nozzles. That’s brilliant. I am so using that.

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PhillyPretzel  May 29, 2017 • 6:29:41pm

Trump and Company are running a government like a business and it is not working. There are some ideas you can use in a business and they will work. As Sun Tzu stated many centuries ago: There are three ways in which a sovereign can bring misfortune upon his army: By commanding the army to advance or to retreat, being ignorant of the fact that it cannot obey. This is called hobbling the army. By attempting to govern an army in the same way he administers a kingdom, being ignorant of the conditions that obtain in an army. This causes restlessness in the soldiers’ minds. Humanity and justice are the principles on which to govern a state, but not an army; opportunism and flexibility. on the other hand, are military rather than civic virtues.

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Belafon  May 29, 2017 • 6:31:17pm

re: #299 Anymouse

Why not? Armed forces is not a requirement for President. If Duterte (or someone like him) became a naturalised citizen, under your scheme he most certainly could run. So could my sister-in-law, the former Soviet citizen. (She wouldn’t vote for a GOP candidate if you tortured her though.)

If that scheme had been in place earlier, any one a number of the former Nazis that gained citizenship here could have run.

Yes, if Duterte had spent the length of time requirement in this country, he could have run. HW is talking about someone just coming into this country and running. As we’re seeing, the natural born citizenship requirement isn’t protecting us from foreign influence, autocracy, or idiocy. It should be eliminated because it does limit those who would otherwise be way more qualified than Trump from running just because of where their parents are from.

Try this counterargument: Should there be a constitutional amendment limiting the ability of those whose parents were arrested for being associated with Nazis from running? It would have eliminated Trump.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 6:31:20pm

re: #299 Anymouse

Why not? Armed forces is not a requirement for President. If Duterte (or someone like him) became a naturalised citizen, under your scheme he most certainly could run. So could my sister-in-law, the former Soviet citizen. (She wouldn’t vote for a GOP candidate if you tortured her though.)

If that scheme had been in place earlier, any one a number of the former Nazis that gained citizenship here could have run.

And these former Nazis could have ran for Congress as wel, can you point me to the number of former Nazis who sought Congressional office?. Duterte’s problem isn’t that he’s from the Philippines, it’s that he’s a psycho nutcase. I just think you’re being awfully unfair ot people who come here as children and do end up spending the overwhelming majority of their life here. And I did point out a number of foreign countries that have had have foreign born heads of state.

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TedStriker  May 29, 2017 • 6:33:10pm

re: #278 Shiplord Kirel

Abuse survivors rip Boy Scouts for hiring ex-state senator to lobby against Child Victims Act

As a Scout and Scouter for over thirty years, this is total bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 6:33:34pm

re: #302 Belafon

Yes, if Duterte had spent the length of time requirement in this country, he could have run. HW is talking about someone just coming into this country and running. As we’re seeing, the natural born citizenship requirement isn’t protecting us from foreign influence, autocracy, or idiocy. It should be eliminated because it does limit those who would otherwise be way more qualified than Trump from running just because of where their parents are from.

Try this counterargument: Should there be a constitutional amendment limiting the ability of those whose parents were arrested for being associated with Nazis from running? It would have eliminated Trump.

Exactly. AM, do you think Ted Lieu is more suspectible to foreign influence than Trump because he was born in Taiwan? It’s a honest question. And once again, what stopped Nazis from seeking office in this country. It’s not as if we prohibit foreign born people from seeking any office at all and let me point out another thing, the American Nazi head George Lincoln Rockwell was American born and raised.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 6:34:09pm

re: #300 thedopefishlives

Getting caught up on last season of Supernatural, and one of the side characters, talking about a Nazi holdover group, calls them: Deutsch-nozzles. That’s brilliant. I am so using that.

I like Deutschbag.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 29, 2017 • 6:35:48pm

re: #304 TedStriker

As a Scout and Scouter for over thirty years, this is total bullshit.

It’s really sad that someone even thinks it’s a good idea to lobby AGAINST this bill.

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2017 • 6:36:32pm
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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 6:36:47pm

Albert Gallatin, Swiss born. That didn’t preclude Madison from trusting him to manage our treasury during the War of 1812. Madeline Albright being born in Czechoslovakia didn’t prohbit her from joining the foreign service during the Cold War. I’m just saying. The foreign agent argument is a weak one imho especially since we have Trump who was born in New York proving to be influnced by them. John Paul Jones and John Barry, two great American naval heroes stood by this country were born in Scotland and Ireland, Benedict Arnold born in Connecticut did not. What makes one an American is not his or her place of birth but his or her desire to be part of America.

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Stanley Sea  May 29, 2017 • 6:37:19pm

re: #308 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 6:37:19pm

re: #307 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s really sad that someone even thinks it’s a good idea to lobby AGAINST this bill.

Well there’s probably a lot of green reasons why if you catch my drift.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  May 29, 2017 • 6:37:23pm

re: #291 jaunte

Probably safe to predict a shooting in the Texas lege in the next couple of years.

And it’ll be one of the legislators doing the shooting, who will then be praised by the Governor, because that’s how fucking nuts that crowd has become. Governor Psychopath and his crew, and their obsession with giving guns to everyone and their mom, are one of the things that spurred me to move.

Not a word said about posses of right-wing shitapes intimidating people with masks and guns near mosques, but ignoring their own police force about open carry… Yeah no thanks, y’all can kiss my ass on the way out, I’m moving somewhere sane (like Georgia, LOL).

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 6:39:00pm

Sorry if I sound a little testy on this subject. It’s Memorial Day and my cousin who was born abroad died fighting for this country. I just don’t think being foreign born should make you suspect as a foreign agent especially with all the American born people surrounding Trump who have colluded with Russia.

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Stanley Sea  May 29, 2017 • 6:40:49pm
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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 6:41:53pm

re: #314 Stanley Sea

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He was a hero. Heroes don’t have to wear uniforms.

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nines09  May 29, 2017 • 6:41:55pm

Trump Copied Another Family’s Coat Of Arms

The criminal enterprise called Trump would steal the candy from a laughing baby’s mouth.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 6:44:12pm

re: #316 nines09

Trump Copied Another Family’s Coat Of Arms

The criminal enterprise called Trump would steal the candy from a laughing baby’s mouth.

Shit bird.

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Belafon  May 29, 2017 • 6:45:12pm

h/t Balloon Juice

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(Bert the Turtle)  May 29, 2017 • 6:45:31pm

re: #316 nines09

Trump Copied Another Family’s Coat Of Arms

The criminal enterprise called Trump would steal the candy from a laughing baby’s mouth.

And replace said candy with soap.

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makeitstop  May 29, 2017 • 6:45:36pm

re: #316 nines09

Trump Copied Another Family’s Coat Of Arms

The criminal enterprise called Trump would steal the candy from a laughing baby’s mouth.

Upding for the ‘Crosseyed Mary’ ref.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 6:46:03pm

re: #318 Belafon

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Remember Tom, this is your party.

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jaunte  May 29, 2017 • 6:46:53pm

re: #318 Belafon

Well, they’ll feel safe from smaller female reporters now.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 6:47:12pm

Really pathetic that the Portland GOP want to make themselves the victims after this but that is the conservative movement right now. a bunch of professional victims.

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Stanley Sea  May 29, 2017 • 6:47:33pm
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Doug Factors  May 29, 2017 • 6:48:26pm

re: #291 jaunte

Probably safe to predict a shooting in the Texas lege in the next couple of years.

Caning of Charles Sumner

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 6:49:37pm

re: #324 Stanley Sea

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Apparently one of my Dad’s cousins had a Coat of Arms for our family’s surname but he passed away and as he was unmarried with no children, I have no idea who he would have left it to. His only surviving sister didn’t know about it when I talked to her.

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(Bert the Turtle)  May 29, 2017 • 6:51:53pm

re: #323 HappyWarrior

Right now? Man, I guess Wisconsin is redder than I imagined.

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Anymouse  May 29, 2017 • 6:53:05pm

re: #302 Belafon

Yes, if Duterte had spent the length of time requirement in this country, he could have run. HW is talking about someone just coming into this country and running. As we’re seeing, the natural born citizenship requirement isn’t protecting us from foreign influence, autocracy, or idiocy. It should be eliminated because it does limit those who would otherwise be way more qualified than Trump from running just because of where their parents are from.

Try this counterargument: Should there be a constitutional amendment limiting the ability of those whose parents were arrested for being associated with Nazis from running? It would have eliminated Trump.

That would require repealing the section of the I Amendment regarding freedom of association.

What’s failing from my view on the High Plains is not that a supremely unqualified and possibly compromised candidate achieved the White House. It is the party behind him.

It did take two years after the Watergate breaking to get Nixon to resign, and only when the GOP thought they might be skewered in the next election.

Trump’s polling support is already below the crazification factor and far below Nixon’s when he left office. A couple of Republicans are making noise in the direction of expanded investigations … like 1974, I expect it to become a flood.

While Nixon’s coverup of a botched breaking at the DNC was bad, it is nothing like covering up espionage. I’m guessing the intelligence services and the FBI aren’t real keen on that.

Moreover, to start going after Trump’s inner circle will take a bulletproof case, or the GOP will weasel on “partisan politics.” There is a reason Trump is setting up a “war room” of lawyers to fight off allegations. Someone in the White House knows this is really bad. Like Nixon, it will only take one to drop the dime and they’re done. (With the pressure on Stone, Manafort, Flynn, &c, perhaps one already has. And Dr. Jill Stein has been awfully quiet lately. Those who are in discussions with law enforcement generally don’t go out in the press. While Stein might not have anything to do with this despite that RT dinner, the ones at the White House who aren’t saying much might be the ones saying a lot to the police.)

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jaunte  May 29, 2017 • 6:54:18pm

re: #324 Stanley Sea

Back in the Nixon days, Republicans liked to pretend they were middle class, and made a virtue of their wives having a cloth coat instead of a fur coat. Now they’re slobbering over a gilded madman who pretends to have a coat of arms.

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Stanley Sea  May 29, 2017 • 6:55:46pm
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Anymouse  May 29, 2017 • 6:56:13pm

re: #304 TedStriker

As a Scout and Scouter for over thirty years, this is total bullshit.

The Boy Scouts threw me out when they became aware I was an atheist. I have no love for the Boy Scouts and would like to see their Congressional Charter revoked for religious discrimination (it won’t happen though).

The Girl Scouts are inclusive of all girls, which is why wingnuts hate them.

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2017 • 6:57:21pm
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jaunte  May 29, 2017 • 6:58:54pm
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Anymouse  May 29, 2017 • 7:01:25pm

re: #305 HappyWarrior

Exactly. AM, do you think Ted Lieu is more suspectible to foreign influence than Trump because he was born in Taiwan? It’s a honest question. And once again, what stopped Nazis from seeking office in this country. It’s not as if we prohibit foreign born people from seeking any office at all and let me point out another thing, the American Nazi head George Lincoln Rockwell was American born and raised.

It is an honest question, and honestly, I don’t have a good answer. Rep. Lieu is fighting the good fight in Congress for the USA, not Russia.

On the other hand, we have a bunch of natural-born citizens like Sen. Mitch McConnell who seem quite willing to throw the USA under a bus if it gets them a bit more power or money. They threw their own platform plank under the bus regarding Ukraine at the behest of people now known to have worked for foreign governments as Americans (Flynn, Page, Manafort).

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TedStriker  May 29, 2017 • 7:01:51pm

re: #332 Charles Johnson

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The Vicious Babushka  May 29, 2017 • 7:03:50pm

re: #332 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 7:08:05pm

re: #332 Charles Johnson

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He’s also wrong too. Lenin was not Jewish and Marx was not religious at all. His father had also converted to Lutheranism as well.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 29, 2017 • 7:08:09pm

re: #314 Stanley Sea

The name Taliesin Myrddin is hauntingly beautiful. It is Welsh heritage.

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 29, 2017 • 7:08:12pm

re: #313 HappyWarrior

Sorry if I sound a little testy on this subject. It’s Memorial Day and my cousin who was born abroad died fighting for this country. I just don’t think being foreign born should make you suspect as a foreign agent especially with all the American born people surrounding Trump who have colluded with Russia.

Testy?. Not testy enough. IMO

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Anymouse  May 29, 2017 • 7:08:47pm

re: #332 Charles Johnson

Off the topic a little bit, but Mr. Johnson’s karma points are approaching six hundred thousand. Who’s with me for an upding fest to put him over the top? /s

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 7:09:07pm

re: #334 Anymouse

It is an honest question, and honestly, I don’t have a good answer. Rep. Lieu is fighting the good fight in Congress for the USA, not Russia.

On the other hand, we have a bunch of natural-born citizens like Sen. Mitch McConnell who seem quite willing to throw the USA under a bus if it gets them a bit more power or money. They threw their own platform plank under the bus regarding Ukraine at the behest of people now known to have worked for foreign governments as Americans (Flynn, Page, Manafort).

Right, that’s my point. I mean I understand why we had the provision in place but like the EC, I believe it outdated.

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Decatur Deb  May 29, 2017 • 7:10:54pm

re: #338 The Vicious Babushka

The name Taliesin Myrddin is hauntingly beautiful. It is Welsh heritage.

“Taliesin” was the name of Frank Lloyd Wright’s architecture school. Means “shining brow”.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 7:11:03pm

re: #339 I Would Prefer Not To

Testy?. Not testy enough. IMO

You wouldn’t like me when I’m angry! //

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Anymouse  May 29, 2017 • 7:11:12pm

re: #341 HappyWarrior

Right, that’s my point. I mean I understand why we had the provision in place but like the EC, I believe it outdated.

At the start of this I noted why it was originally implemented. I’m not sure whether the requirement to be natural-born is really necessary now myself.

On repealing it though, it won’t happen. Put it to the states, and as soon as the thirteenth says it won’t ratify the amendment it’s dead.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 7:11:54pm

re: #338 The Vicious Babushka

The name Taliesin Myrddin is hauntingly beautiful. It is Welsh heritage.

My cousin lives in Cardiff. Wales has some hard to pronounce names but it looks like a beautiful place.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 29, 2017 • 7:12:49pm

re: #338 The Vicious Babushka

The name Taliesin Myrddin is hauntingly beautiful. It is Welsh heritage.

Sounds like it should belong to a Game of Thrones character.

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2017 • 7:12:53pm
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The Vicious Babushka  May 29, 2017 • 7:13:10pm

re: #342 Decatur Deb

“Taliesin” was the name of Frank Lloyd Wright’s architecture school. Means “shining brow”.

It is the name of a prominent figure in Welsh history and folklore, a bard who lived at the same time as King Arthur and is said to be the inspiration for Merlin.

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(Bert the Turtle)  May 29, 2017 • 7:13:44pm

re: #336 The Vicious Babushka

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 7:14:17pm

re: #344 Anymouse

At the start of this I noted why it was originally implemented. I’m not sure whether the requirement to be natural-born is really necessary now myself.

On repealing it though, it won’t happen. Put it to the states, and as soon as the thirteenth says it won’t ratify the amendment it’s dead.

Oh of course, I was speaking purely hypothetical in my somehow I become dictator of hte US scenario. Which is funny because in this situation I’m being a dictator, why would I allow moer threats to my power? It’s just yeah rubebd me the wrong way and I keep on thinking about the many great Americans who have served this country in some way or form who happened to be born somewhere else.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 29, 2017 • 7:14:33pm

re: #345 HappyWarrior

My cousin lives in Cardiff. Wales has some hard to pronounce names but it looks like a beautiful place.

Did you ever learn about the great war between Wales and Finland? The Welsh invaded Finland and stole all their consonants, but the Finns retaliated and stole all the vowels from Wales.
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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 7:15:02pm

re: #347 Charles Johnson

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Did you ask him if he still has his 1945 participation trophy before you blocked his ass?

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 29, 2017 • 7:15:17pm

re: #343 HappyWarrior

You wouldn’t like me when I’m angry! //

Good thing you’re on my side.

Goodnight t all.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 7:16:21pm

re: #351 The Vicious Babushka

Did you ever learn about the great war between Wales and Finland? The Welsh invaded Finland and stole all their consonants, but the Finns retaliated and stole all the vowels from Wales.
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I hope the Poles contributed. They’re funky with their vowels too.

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Belafon  May 29, 2017 • 7:16:23pm

re: #353 I Would Prefer Not To

Good thing you’re on my side.

Goodnight t all.

Are you friends from work?

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 7:16:46pm

re: #353 I Would Prefer Not To

Good thing you’re on my side.

Goodnight t all.

Heh take it easy.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 7:17:41pm

re: #355 Belafon

Are you friends from work?

Nah, by side what was meant here in ideological agreement. I was also referencing the Hulk.

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FormerDirtDart  May 29, 2017 • 7:20:03pm
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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 7:21:07pm

re: #358 FormerDirtDart

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I very much liked him in Tommy Boy.

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Belafon  May 29, 2017 • 7:21:29pm

re: #357 HappyWarrior

Nah, by side what was meant here in ideological agreement. I was also referencing the Hulk.

Have you seen the new Thor trailer?

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 7:22:21pm

re: #360 Belafon

Have you seen the new Thor trailer?

Nah, I’m honestly not big of a superhero movie fan.

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Belafon  May 29, 2017 • 7:25:00pm

re: #361 HappyWarrior

Nah, I’m honestly not big of a superhero movie fan.

In the upcoming movie, Thor ends up in an arena, where he’s being made to fight the current gladiator champion. The crowd is cheering as out comes…Hulk. Then Thor cheers and everyone else goes silent. He says to the grandmaster, “We know each other. He’s a friend from work.”

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 7:25:57pm

re: #362 Belafon

In the upcoming movie, Thor ends up in an arena, where he’s being made to fight the current gladiator champion. The crowd is cheering as out comes…Hulk. Then Thor cheers and everyone else goes silent. He says to the grandmaster, “We know each other. He’s a friend from work.”

A ha, I see.

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William Lewis  May 29, 2017 • 7:26:11pm

re: #342 Decatur Deb

“Taliesin” was the name of Frank Lloyd Wright’s architecture school. Means “shining brow”.

And Myrddin is the earliest spelling of Merlin - the two characters got conflated in the later tellings of the Arthurian tales. Here is an an old delight, the Battle of the Trees, in his honor:

Cad Goddeu

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TedStriker  May 29, 2017 • 7:26:48pm

re: #331 Anymouse

The Boy Scouts threw me out when they became aware I was an atheist. I have no love for the Boy Scouts and would like to see their Congressional Charter revoked for religious discrimination (it won’t happen though).

The Girl Scouts are inclusive of all girls, which is why wingnuts hate them.

I do think there is still great value in the mission and existence of the BSA; while the organization as a whole has made strides in recent years, there is still a lot of work to be done, even in this day and age, to make Scouting even more inclusive and tolerant.

However, while the BSA’s definition of “religion” and “God/Creator” is fairly broad these days, including some religions I’d never known about until a decade or two ago, decoupling the religious aspect from the rest of the program (especially from the Scout Oath and Law) will be very difficult, at best; for this, it’ll likely take a long time, but I do think it’ll eventually happen (or, at least, atheists and agnostics will be allowed to be members), hopefully within my lifetime (and I’m 42 now).

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FormerDirtDart  May 29, 2017 • 7:30:45pm

re: #324 Stanley Sea

With news the Trump Family stole its Coat of Arms, we consulted heraldry experts to devise a new Trump Coat of Arms

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jaunte  May 29, 2017 • 7:31:25pm

re: #366 FormerDirtDart

Weasels are too good for them.

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(Bert the Turtle)  May 29, 2017 • 7:31:43pm

re: #362 Belafon

Zeppelin doing The Immigrant Song for the background music is a great touch.

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jaunte  May 29, 2017 • 7:31:47pm

Maybe a dung beetle.

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allegro  May 29, 2017 • 7:32:34pm

re: #365 TedStriker

I do think there is still great value in the mission of the BSA; while the organization as a whole has made strides in recent years, there is still a lot of work to be done, even in this day and age, to make Scouting even more inclusive and tolerant.

However, while the BSA’s definition of “religion” and “God/Creator” is fairly broad these days, including some religions I’d never known about until a decade or so ago, decoupling the religious aspect from the rest of the program (especially from the Scout Oath and Law) will be very difficult at best; for this, it’ll take a long time, but I do think it’ll eventually happen (or, at least, atheists and agnostics will be allowed to be members).

Why?

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wheat-dogg  May 29, 2017 • 7:32:48pm

re: #106 Stanley Sea

Add this to the list

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We are going down the slope quickly.

That’s the glass wall showcasing the paper’s presses. Not many people inside usually, except when the presses are running at night.

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prairiefire  May 29, 2017 • 7:33:03pm

re: #362 Belafon

In the upcoming movie, Thor ends up in an arena, where he’s being made to fight the current gladiator champion. The crowd is cheering as out comes…Hulk. Then Thor cheers and everyone else goes silent. He says to the grandmaster, “We know each other. He’s a friend from work.”

Cate Blanchette kills it.

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Belafon  May 29, 2017 • 7:35:14pm

re: #372 prairiefire

Cate Blanchette kills it.

In more ways than one.

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Anymouse  May 29, 2017 • 7:39:59pm

re: #370 allegro

Why?

Congressionally chartered organisation. Separation of Church and State.

They want to be a religious organisation and discriminate against those who are not religious, fine that is their right under the I Amendment.

They should not have a Congressional Charter or free use of Department of Defense lands for jamborees on the taxpayer dime so they can promote religious discrimination.

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Anymouse  May 29, 2017 • 7:44:10pm

re: #374 Anymouse

Also bear in mind the continued wingnut attacks on the Girl Scouts because of their inclusive stance they adopted concerning religion. Boycotts against their cookie drive, an attempt to have their Congressional charter revoked for being inclusive of all faiths and none, &c.

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teleskiguy  May 29, 2017 • 7:45:04pm
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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 7:47:38pm

re: #376 teleskiguy

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I’m here for your soul, mate.

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De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2017 • 7:48:13pm

re: #376 teleskiguy

Ever the professional, Gilbert Gottfried will play anywhere.

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allegro  May 29, 2017 • 7:48:17pm

re: #375 Anymouse

Also bear in mind the continued wingnut attacks on the Girl Scouts because of their inclusive stance they adopted concerning religion. Boycotts against their cookie drive, an attempt to have their Congressional charter revoked for being inclusive of all faiths and none, &c.

And they are still here and their cookies still sell out.

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teleskiguy  May 29, 2017 • 7:48:39pm

re: #377 HappyWarrior

I’m here for your soul(,) mate.

FTFY

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Anymouse  May 29, 2017 • 7:49:18pm

And it’s not just Scouting that wingnuts get outraged about: They went after 4-H in 2002 when that organisation decided to drop stereotypical “Indian” motifs from its local organisations.

When the Department of Agriculture threatened to cut off funding for 4-H over such discriminatory practices and 4-H agreed, there was a bunch of outrage on the right over “political correctness” and such, threats to boycott 4-H clubs and programmes, &c.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 7:49:32pm

re: #379 allegro

And they are still here and their cookies still sell out.

You’ll get my Samoas and THin Mints and Tagalongs form my stone cold hands!

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teleskiguy  May 29, 2017 • 7:51:05pm

re: #377 HappyWarrior

I’m here for your soul mate.

If you leave it be, it sounds like the demon marsupial is coming to take away my best girl, like the Hells Angels or something.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 7:52:02pm

re: #383 teleskiguy

If you leave it be, it sounds like the demon marsupial is coming to take away my best girl, like the Hells Angels or something.

YEah but your edit was correct and my intention.

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De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2017 • 7:54:01pm

We have a president who attends a major conclave of European allies and whines about how it takes two to three years to get a golf course approved.

You can’t make this shit up.

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ozharas  May 29, 2017 • 7:54:54pm

Germany continues telling us how it is…

theguardian.com

Gabriel said on Monday that “anyone who accelerates climate change by weakening environmental protection, who sells more weapons in conflict zones and who does not want to politically resolve religious conflicts is putting peace in Europe at risk”.

“The short-sighted policies of the American government stand against the interests of the European Union,” he said, judging that “the west has become smaller, at least it has become weaker”.

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teleskiguy  May 29, 2017 • 7:55:17pm

re: #384 HappyWarrior

I have a degree in English. Commas are very important to me.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 7:56:04pm

We thought Obama had his hands full with Bush’s messes. Man I do not envy the Democrat that hopefully beats Trump.

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jaunte  May 29, 2017 • 7:56:06pm

re: #385 De Kolta Chair

We have a president who attends a major conclave of European allies and whines about how it takes two to three years to get a golf course approved.

You can’t make this shit up.

When he punched out his music teacher at age eight and nothing unpleasant happened to him, the course was set.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 7:56:27pm

re: #387 teleskiguy

I have a degree in English. Commas are very important to me.

Hey I was an English minor, but like Hemingway, I leave the grammar up to people like oyu.

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Anymouse  May 29, 2017 • 7:58:12pm

re: #382 HappyWarrior

You’ll get my Samoas and THin Mints and Tagalongs form my stone cold hands!

No Girl Scout groups here, so no cookies (sigh). Maybe if 4-H went into a subcontract with the Girl Scouts to sell cookies… .

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 7:58:43pm

re: #389 jaunte

When he punched out his music teacher at age eight and nothing unpleasant happened to him, the course was set.

He really is a lot of the things his fans say my generations is. Self entitled, wanting instant gratification, and thinks he’s uniquely special.

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teleskiguy  May 29, 2017 • 7:59:01pm

re: #390 HappyWarrior

Cormac McCarthy’s novels have always irked me, no capital letters, barely any punctuation, no quote marks.

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Citizen K  May 29, 2017 • 7:59:03pm

re: #388 HappyWarrior

We thought Obama had his hands full with Bush’s messes. Man I do not envy the Democrat that hopefully beats Trump.

Sadly, if things remain to pattern, the country will give him 4, MAYBE 8 years to fix everything that we’ll have admitted would take generations to fix, and then get fed up that things aren’t moving fast enough and give total control back to the GOP because ‘lets try something different’.

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Belafon  May 29, 2017 • 7:59:21pm

re: #391 Anymouse

No Girl Scout groups here, so no cookies (sigh). Maybe if 4-H went into a subcontract with the Girl Scouts to sell cookies… .

You need to find the nearest town with Girl Scouts and tell them to travel to your neck of the woods.

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FormerDirtDart  May 29, 2017 • 7:59:23pm
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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 7:59:49pm

re: #393 teleskiguy

Cormac McCarthy’s novels have always irked me., no capital letters, barely any punctuation, no quote marks.

I don’t blame you. I actually do try to be grammatically correct as possible.

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Anymouse  May 29, 2017 • 8:00:18pm

re: #387 teleskiguy

I have a degree in English. Commas are very important to me.

“Let’s eat grandma.”

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Belafon  May 29, 2017 • 8:00:36pm

re: #394 Citizen K

Sadly, if things remain to pattern, the country will give him 4, MAYBE 8 years to fix everything that we’ll have admitted would take generations to fix, and then get fed up that things aren’t moving fast enough and give total control back to the GOP because ‘lets try something different’.

What the pattern will be is that the Democrat, being awesome, will fix it, and too many people will declare that it must not have been that hard.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 8:00:42pm

re: #396 FormerDirtDart

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If anyone was dumb enough to believe him, they’re as bad as the Trump org. Hyperbole on my part here but come on.

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BeachDem  May 29, 2017 • 8:01:23pm

re: #241 Stanley Sea

dude

[Embedded content]

And isn’t he supposed to be solving the opioid problems as well? And something, something cyber security?

Like Rust, Jared Never Sleeps

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De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2017 • 8:01:25pm

re: #389 jaunte

You would think emptying spit from a french horn would be a major turn on for him.

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jaunte  May 29, 2017 • 8:02:25pm

re: #398 Anymouse

“Let’s eat grandma.”

Cormac McCarthy, The Road.

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Anymouse  May 29, 2017 • 8:03:45pm

re: #403 jaunte

Cormac McCarthy, The Road.

I have a copy of the book “Eats, Shoots, and Leaves.” You can have too many commas.

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fern01  May 29, 2017 • 8:05:27pm

re: #288 HappyWarrior

And by the way, Ireland’s Taoiseach, Eamon De Valera was born in New York, City. Israel has had a number of foreign born heads of state. Canada’s first PM, John MacDonald was born in Glasgow.

Australia’s worst PM in my memory was born in England. Wish we could send him back. Thus said, is the US the only country where the head of state/government must be born in the country? It belies the concept of being able to become a citizen - still second rate.

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jaunte  May 29, 2017 • 8:05:34pm

re: #404 Anymouse

Somebody here used to,,, punctuate,,, like that.

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Joe Bacon  May 29, 2017 • 8:07:56pm
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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 8:08:43pm

re: #405 fern01

Australia’s worst PM in my memory was born in England. Wish we could send him back. Thus said, is the US the only country where the head of state/government must be born in the country? It belies the concept of being able to become a citizen - still second rate.

I’m not sure.

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TedStriker  May 29, 2017 • 8:09:51pm

re: #370 allegro

Why?

Because, to my understanding, unlike the GSA, the overwhelming majority of chartered organizations for BSA units are churches:

All Boy Scouts of America units are owned and operated by chartered organizations. Of the 103,158 units (Boy Scout troops, Cub Scout packs and Venturing crews) and 3,615,306 youth members in 2010:

68.4% of all units, comprising 62.5% of all youth members, are chartered to faith-based organizations
26.5% of all units, comprising 25.1% of all youth members, are chartered to civic organizations
8.2% of all units, comprising and 12.4% of all youth members, are chartered to educational organizations

en.wikipedia.org

Until those numbers flip, any progress on allowing atheists and agnostics as BSA members will be very slow. Also, in the same vein, Scouting is still very much a yuuuge thing out in Red State America, outside of the urban centers, and those units (and their chartering organizations) can be just as socially conservative.

It’s a long row to hoe, but, in the long run, I do believe major changes will eventually be made IRT to atheists and agnostics in Scouting, because American society’s changing so much, the organization will have to to survive and stay relevant; hell, if you’d told me that Scouting would at least let gay youth be members (for shame on the still-in-force prohibition of gay adult members, though, but that’ll change too eventually) even ten years ago, I wouldn’t have believed you, but it was way overdue.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2017 • 8:11:13pm

Stupid question for the techies here but home sharing on iPhone. That’s only for your home wifi network right? That is to say, if I left the house, my home share would not work.

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allegro  May 29, 2017 • 8:13:05pm

re: #409 TedStriker

Because, to my understanding, unlike the GSA, the overwhelming majority of chartered organizations for BSA units are churches:

en.wikipedia.org

Until those numbers flip, any progress on allowing atheists and agnostics as BSA members will be very slow. Also, in the same vein, Scouting is very much a big thing out in Red State America, outside of the urban centers, and those units (and their chartering organizations) can be just as socially conservative.

It’s a long row to hoe, but, in the long run, it do believe major changes will eventually be made IRT to atheists and agnostics in Scouting; hell, if you’d told me that Scouting would at least let gay youth be members (for shame on the still-in-force prohibition of gay adult members, though, but that’ll change too eventually) even ten years ago, I wouldn’t have believed you, but it was way overdue.

Ah, I did not know that. I didn’t know that BSA wasn’t an independent organization, i.e. chartered its own chapters. Thanks much for the explanation.

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TedStriker  May 29, 2017 • 8:18:18pm

re: #411 allegro

Ah, I did not know that. I didn’t know that BSA wasn’t an independent organization, i.e. chartered its own chapters. Thanks much for the explanation.

The BSA National Council, headquartered in Irving, TX, charters local and regional councils to service certain geographical areas and also maintains and sets the BSA’s rules, guidelines, and standards that all local/regional BSA councils (including overseas councils, which BSA National directly runs, such as those serving US military bases abroad) have to follow.

In turn, those local/regional councils are actually who the individual BSA units are chartered in and through and are further sub-divided into smaller districts within those local councils, with District Executives being responsible for servicing the units in their districts (fundraising for the council, assisting member recruitment and the formation of new units, assisting existing units with requests for council resources, etc.) on behalf of the local/regional council and its Scout Executive.

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petesh  May 29, 2017 • 8:29:24pm

re: #389 jaunte

When he punched out his music teacher at age eight and nothing unpleasant happened to him, the course was set.

Tell me more, please.

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Ming5000  May 30, 2017 • 1:35:48am

re: #8 petesh

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