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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 1, 2017 • 10:36:09pm

“You don’t hear the bomb ticking? TO HELL WITH YOU! Now you own the bomb.”

Keith is STILL on fire. His Resistance is an American epic.

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Targetpractice  Jun 1, 2017 • 10:36:21pm

Trump will be treated like Dubya was by the GOP: He’ll be made an “unperson” who the GOP will magically break all ties with the moment he leaves office “Oh, we were never in support of him, we were just looking out for the party!” And millions of Republicans will disappear into the aether, to be replaced by “independents” who lean to the right of Genghis Khan.

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JordanRules  Jun 1, 2017 • 10:38:04pm

re: #181 Shiplord Kirel

From the last thread…very well done video.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jun 1, 2017 • 10:55:01pm

The defining feature of the post-Nixon GOP is the continuous reconstruction of what just happened, such that the negative consequences of their choices don’t have to be dealt with.

They’re just going to do it again.

The pseudointellectuals will long for an “authentic” conservatism that needs to be restored, but never actually dig too hard in to who corrupted it and how that went down. The normal party hacks will continue to fondle any back-alley rhetoric that gets through tax cuts and their pork. The demagogues will re-name themselves…again…and double down on their rhetoric…again…and get away with it…again…because the former two groups can only win by injecting their venal goals into a crazy/stupid host cell.

Which is why we haven’t pulled out of the cultural death spiral wherein there’s a bunch of voters who vote only because of a mash bill of (1) alternate opinions are axiomatically wrong, (2) ego investment reinforced with a wicker man full of straw men, (3) revanchism again imaginary crying hippies. The “smart” ones still have to fall back on pretending that no liberal, ever, has ever said something substantive (case in point, the entire “David Brooks and his band of David Brooks” industry), the venal ones fucking love having a evergreen patsy, and crazies basically live to knife-fuck anything that allows them to feel slightly more alive.

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Targetpractice  Jun 1, 2017 • 11:00:36pm

re: #4 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

I think driftglass puts it pretty well:

Well kids, here we are once again. That moment after every Republican catastrophe whence comes the most solemn and sacred ritual in the business: the excavation of a memory hole big enough to bury the whole fucking fiasco, root and branch as fast as possible. Dig the pit, dump the body, quicklime it, pour enough Chernobyl-grade bullshit over the site to sarcophagize the whole thing and then post signs warning future generations of the Dire Consequences of poking around anywhere near the truth.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jun 1, 2017 • 11:06:09pm

re: #5 Targetpractice

It is very hard to convince a man of something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding it.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 1, 2017 • 11:24:50pm

I think this is the key analogy in understanding Busters, that they’re basically abusive at heart. That in spite of their ideals and desires to make the world a better place they would ultimately rather see it ruined than watch it move forward, however incrementally, without their explicit approval.

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Kragar  Jun 1, 2017 • 11:34:38pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 1, 2017 • 11:40:37pm

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

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I think this is the key analogy in understanding Busters, that they’re basically abusive at heart. That in spite of their ideals and desires to make the world a better place they’d would ultimately rather see it ruined than watch it move forward, however incrementally, without their explicit approval.

It is a very abusive mindset. In the minds of Bros, if the country won’t do what they want, then they deserve every bit of pain that they experience. It’s the abusive husband who breaks his wife’s face, then argues that “maybe next time,” she won’t do whatever it is that sent him into a frothing rage.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 1, 2017 • 11:51:55pm

I think he’s mad.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 1, 2017 • 11:55:47pm

You cannot reason with the Bros. They are as bad as the Trumpers. They really believe that Bernie would have won if he were nominated and nothing you say can persuade them otherwise; they also believe that Hillary was as bad as Donald so there would be no benefit supporting her. They should be ignored and the focus should be on those who voted for Trump out of desperation because their lives had deteriorated under both Bush and Obama. We also need to work to reverse the Republican voter disenfranchisement laws that contributed to the decline in minority votes.

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JordanRules  Jun 1, 2017 • 11:59:15pm

re: #9 Targetpractice

Sounds like privilege that often intersects with abuse and certainly doesn’t work towards fighting against the inherent benefits of it.

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Targetpractice  Jun 2, 2017 • 12:06:00am

re: #12 JordanRules

Sounds like privilege that often intersects with abuse and certainly doesn’t work towards fighting against the inherent benefits of it.

The Bros position is totally one of privilege. If I had a nickel for every time I heard “I lived through Bush, I can live through Trump” from a Bro.

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JordanRules  Jun 2, 2017 • 12:07:18am

re: #11 Hecuba’s daughter

I’m all in on reaching out to non-voters. Those who were “desperate” and voted for Turnip, the famed economically anxious, are another case but if others want to pursue them be my guest. I don’t think that should be a party aim because we know enough about them to know what the deal is.

Agree on the Bros for sure. And agree on the disenfranchised community of voters too.

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sagehen  Jun 2, 2017 • 12:07:52am

re: #1 Shiplord Kirel

“You don’t hear the bomb ticking? TO HELL WITH YOU! Now you own the bomb.”

Keith is STILL on fire. His Resistance is an American epic.

I didn’t like Olbermann when he was on MSNBC, even though I usually agreed with him, because he made it a habit to lean into the camera and YELL AT THE AUDIENCE.

Thankfully, someone told him not to do that anymore.

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teleskiguy  Jun 2, 2017 • 12:10:57am

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

He just proved your point.

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teleskiguy  Jun 2, 2017 • 12:14:58am

I think I’m starting to get a hang of this new Twitter mentions thingy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 12:29:04am

Most of the GOP, like the rest of us, just assumed that Trump’s rhetorical excesses would go too far, or something from his past would come out to derail his candidacy. So none of the other candidates attacked him in the hopes of then being in a more favorable position to pick up his supporters.

But Trump sold himself as the anti-politician, and as a result, none of the rules or conventions of campaigning applied to him: he survived disasters that would have wrecked any “normal” candidate.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 2, 2017 • 1:04:22am

Shameless page promotion. Author Gary Silverman sits down with non-wingnut Baptist minister Wayne Flynt to try to answer what might be the question of the age.

How the Bible Belt Lost God and Found Trump

He’s a divorced adulterer who ran a gambling empire, so how did America’s Moral Majority get so evangelical about Donald Trump?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 2, 2017 • 1:34:38am

Non-spoiler Wonder Woman review: an excellent offering. Well worth seeing in theaters. Some great comedic spots. Gorgeous sets. Maybe falters just a little bit at the end but it’s amazingly strong to that point so it’s forgivable. I haven’t seen any of the other DC universe offerings so I can’t compare this to them but there is actual color in the film so that seems to set it apart.

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I cannot.  Jun 2, 2017 • 1:35:34am

I just had a frightening and disturbing thought about the whole anti-ACA thing especially relating to pre-existing conditions like epilepsy.

They want us to die.
The Nazis wanted us to die.
They’re not willing to actually kill us.
The Nazis were willing to actually kill us.
The anti-ACA crowd are more pathetic than literal Nazis.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 2, 2017 • 2:01:22am

These kids have some seriously Pollyanna ass ideas about how shit works.

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Targetpractice  Jun 2, 2017 • 2:13:31am

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

These kids have some seriously Pollyanna ass ideas about how shit works.

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Purity pony nonsense. Bernie burned through pretty much all of his donor money before July, he had virtually nothing in the bank by the time he threw in the towel. And the FEC was sending him letters on a monthly basis to reprimand him for the millions in questionable or illegal donations he’d received. So even when he played it “pure,” he was still doing so in such an unethical fashion that it was a matter of time before the FEC did more than send him harsh letters.

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freetoken  Jun 2, 2017 • 2:57:14am

The river horses pay no attention to the Bernie-bots:

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freetoken  Jun 2, 2017 • 2:58:53am

And in New York, dawn breaks and we find the squirrel taking over the feeder:

Cornell Lab FeederWatch Cam at Sapsucker Woods

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 2, 2017 • 3:40:01am

re: #18 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Most of the GOP, like the rest of us, just assumed that Trump’s rhetorical excesses would go too far, or something from his past would come out to derail his candidacy. So none of the other candidates attacked him in the hopes of then being in a more favorable position to pick up his supporters.

But Trump sold himself as the anti-politician, and as a result, none of the rules or conventions of campaigning applied to him: he survived disasters that would have wrecked any “normal” candidate.

The GOP primaries have been conveniently forgotten by the GOP.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 2, 2017 • 3:42:09am
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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 2, 2017 • 3:49:02am

Otoh, Lubbock’s “Mr. Conservative,” Dr. Don May, knows who the real scientists are:

Facebook Post

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Targetpractice  Jun 2, 2017 • 3:51:58am

re: #28 Shiplord Kirel

Otoh, Lubbock’s “Mr. Conservative,” Dr. Don May, knows who the real scientists are:

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Yet Russia is party to the Paris Climate Accord, as is every other oil-exporting nation aside from Syria.

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William Lewis  Jun 2, 2017 • 4:07:37am

re: #27 Shiplord Kirel

Yes, but the fundamentalists, they’re no more real Christians than my Anglican so our opinions don’t matter. Still, I am glad to see them standing up.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 4:11:50am

re: #30 William Lewis

Yes, but the fundamentalists, they’re no more real Christians than my Anglican so our opinions don’t matter. Still, I am glad to see them standing up.

It just proves to them that those Papists are beholden to a foreign potentate.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 4:24:00am

re: #26 Barefoot Grin

The GOP primaries have been conveniently forgotten by the GOP.

Just as well all learn to repress traumatic memories…

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 2, 2017 • 4:27:09am

re: #28 Shiplord Kirel

Otoh, Lubbock’s “Mr. Conservative,” Dr. Don May, knows who the real scientists are:

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So too does France, a country making a serious play as the world leader in real, actual science by backing CERN’s planned ultra-collider and now this:

yahoo.com

France enticing real actual American scientists to move to there.. to a country whose leaders appreciate real actual scientists.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 2, 2017 • 4:52:00am

re: #33 Rocky-in-Connecticut

So too does France, a country making a serious play as the world leader in real, actual science by backing CERN’s planned ultra-collider and now this:

yahoo.com

France enticing real actual American scientists to move to there.. to a country whose leaders appreciate real actual scientists.

FUCK THE FRENCH!1!! WE’LL HAVE FREEDOM SCIENCE!!1!

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Dr. Matt  Jun 2, 2017 • 4:55:56am
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Mike Lamb  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:01:48am

re: #2 Targetpractice

Trump will be treated like Dubya was by the GOP: He’ll be made an “unperson” who the GOP will magically break all ties with the moment he leaves office “Oh, we were never in support of him, we were just looking out for the party!” And millions of Republicans will disappear into the aether, to be replaced by “independents” who lean to the right of Genghis Khan.

If the GOP thought Obama went on an apology tour, wait until they see what the next President has to do. He/she will be washing Merkel’s feet.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:10:32am

re: #36 Mike Lamb

If the GOP thought Obama went on an apology tour, wait until they see what the next President has to do. He/she will be washing Merkel’s feet.

Trump wants to be President For Life. The GOP will abolish the 22nd Amendment for him.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:11:29am

re: #35 Dr. Matt

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Yet Germany gets 18.2% of its power from solar and wind.

Those evil, crafty bastards!

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:12:01am

re: #37 The Vicious Babushka

Trump wants to be President For Life. The GOP will abolish the 22nd Amendment for him.

Hopefully Trump will die soon.

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Franklin  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:12:25am
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Timothy Watson  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:13:38am

re: #35 Dr. Matt

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Someone could also explain to him pumped-storage hydroelectricity, which has been used for years for nuclear plants and is also used with solar and wind now.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:14:19am
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Timothy Watson  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:15:10am

re: #42 Dr. Matt

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Really? Because there were leaks last week that Trump was furious at her for her trying to get Spicer’s job.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:19:18am

re: #41 Timothy Watson

Someone could also explain to [Santorum] pumped-storage hydroelectricity, which has been used for years for nuclear plants and is also used with solar and wind now.

His concepts of morality are from the 17th century, his concept of technology is also bound to be a century or two behind…

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makeitstop  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:22:09am

re: #43 Timothy Watson

Really? Because there were leaks last week that Trump was furious at her for her trying to get Spicer’s job.

He just can’t stay mad at a nice pair of legs.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:22:25am

I was offline Wednesday & Thursday and this morning there is this “covfefe” meme everywhere.

The Googles says it’s another misspelled Trumptweet

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Timothy Watson  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:23:39am

re: #46 The Vicious Babushka

I was offline Wednesday & Thursday and this morning there is this “covfefe” meme everywhere.

The Googles says it’s another misspelled Trumptweet

Yep, it launched at least a whole day’s worth of jokes. Then people got really bored with it.

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makeitstop  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:24:02am

re: #46 The Vicious Babushka

I was offline Wednesday & Thursday and this morning there is this “covfefe” meme everywhere.

The Googles says it’s another misspelled Trumptweet

He spazzed out while trying to type ‘coverage.’

Oh, and good morning from lovely Connecticut. Played a gig at the casino up here last night…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:24:45am

re: #47 Timothy Watson

Yep, it launched at least a whole day’s worth of jokes. Then people got really bored with it.

Because we would rather dwell on irrelevancies than discuss issues of climate change, voting rights, health care, foreign policy, international trade and finance, etc…

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Timothy Watson  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:25:42am
Long before opioid abuse exploded into a public health crisis, before drugs such as OxyContin and Vicodin claimed hundreds of thousands of American lives and ruined countless others, one respected Boston University doctor had a question he wanted answered.

How often, Dr. Hershel Jick wondered, do hospital patients grow addicted to their narcotic pain treatments?

To find out, Hershel and his assistant, a graduate student named Jane Porter, reviewed troves of hospital records. Their conclusions were optimistic: Out of nearly 12,000 hospital patients treated with such painkillers, just four had become addicted. Only one case was considered severe. They wrote up the good news in a one-paragraph, five-sentence letter to the New England Journal of Medicine.

“We conclude,” read the letter, “that despite widespread use of narcotic drugs in hospitals, the development of addiction is rare in medical patients with no history of addiction.”

That was in January 1980. Over the following decades, the letter was invoked by doctors, academics, pharmaceutical companies and others as evidence that few users would develop addictions and that liberal prescription was justified. Of course, the analysis proved nothing of the sort, nor did it set out to. But the widely misread letter — now so well known it’s been nicknamed “Porter and Jick” — has been blamed for fueling the country’s opioid epidemic.

On Wednesday, the New England Journal of Medicine published a note from four Canadian researchers that shows the true scope of the letter’s influence, in what may be a first for the academic journal. The authors, led by Pamela T.M. Leung of the University of Toronto, found that “Porter and Jick” had been cited 608 times by other scholars — often inaccurately and uncritically.

washingtonpost.com

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Timothy Watson  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:27:03am

re: #49 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because we would rather dwell on irrelevancies than discuss issues of climate change, voting rights, health care, foreign policy, international trade and finance, etc…

Hey, at least on here, I think we need some levity every once and awhile.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:28:10am

re: #51 Timothy Watson

Hey, at least on here, I think we need some levity every once and awhile.

Yes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:28:37am

re: #51 Timothy Watson

Hey, at least on here, I think we need some levity every once and awhile.

It is worth a chuckle, but it really reached such a mass of coverage that did not justify its substance

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makeitstop  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:30:13am

re: #53 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is worth a chuckle, but it really reached such a mass of coverage that did not justify its substance

Welcome to the viral world.

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I cannot.  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:30:20am

re: #51 Timothy Watson

Yeah, we’re dealing with an psychotic infantile person with the power to destroy the earth.

But even in such times, some of us just need to take some time and smell the covfefe.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:31:19am

Lre: #55 I cannot.

Yeah, we’re dealing with an psychotic infantile person with the power to destroy the earth.

But even in such times, some of us just need to take some time and smell the covfefe.

Snicker. Gotta be able to laugh. If we could have cartoons poking fun at the Axis, we can have our covfefe.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:33:17am

re: #56 HappyWarrior

L

Snicker. Gotta be able to laugh. If we could have cartoons poking fun at the Axis, we can have our covfefe.

“Hitler Has Only Got One Ball”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:34:21am

re: #54 makeitstop

Welcome to the viral world.

Internet viral is one thing, but ever since “Trending on Twitter” became a viable item of TV news coverage, I have been predicting the imminent demise of Western Civilization…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:34:26am

re: #57 Timothy Watson

“Hitler Has Only Got One Ball”

And poor Goering he has none at all!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:35:37am

re: #58 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Internet viral is one thing, but ever since “Trending on Twitter” became a viable item of TV news coverage, I have been predicting the imminent demise of Western Civilization…

Really? I don’t do Twitter but trending on Twitter is a decent way of gauging what people are talking about.

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I cannot.  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:35:56am

re: #58 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Although, to be fair, they were predicting the imminent demise of western civilization back during the Sumerian Empire…

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Decatur Deb  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:36:41am

re: #61 I cannot.

Although, to be fair, they were predicting the imminent demise of western civilization back during the Sumerian Empire…

And they were right.

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makeitstop  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:36:44am

So before I leave CT, I have to do a little remote work for the NYC Mason’s union, who runs their apprenticeship recruitment online. We expect to collect 2,000 applicants in approximately 9 minutes. We’ve been pretty successful with it in the two years we’ve been running the recruitment online.

The Steelworkers’ union tried running their recruitment online yesterday, and just as it kicked off they were hit with what looks like a DDOS attack. They’ve got a message up on their home page, complete with a Beastie Boys track that sums it all up.

Hoping we’re not the next target.

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makeitstop  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:37:42am

re: #61 I cannot.

Although, to be fair, they were predicting the imminent demise of western civilization back during the Sumerian Empire…

Yeah, but Twitter wasn’t so big then.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:38:14am

re: #64 makeitstop

Yeah, but Twitter wasn’t so big then.

claymail.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:39:11am

re: #60 HappyWarrior

Really? I don’t do Twitter but trending on Twitter is a decent way of gauging what people are talking about.

Every once in awhile something interesting pops up. Today is Kurosawa. And while there is stuff that doesn’t interest me about pop stars and anime characters with the name Kurosawa, there have been some great posts about Kurosawa Akira and some of his films.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:39:23am

re: #60 HappyWarrior

Really? I don’t do Twitter but trending on Twitter is a decent way of gauging what people are talking about.

I guess we can argue whether it’s a cause or a symptom.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:40:28am

re: #67 Timothy Watson

I guess we can argue whether it’s a cause or a symptom.

I’d say like Trump, a symptom.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:41:52am

re: #58 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Internet viral is one thing, but ever since “Trending on Twitter” became a viable item of TV news coverage, I have been predicting the imminent demise of Western Civilization…

Get offa my lawn, ya punk!

.. if feel ya, Man. But I finally gave in and joined up(sigh).

Welp, I broke my neighbor’s tiller so it looks like I’ll be dropping it off at the repair guy’s garage along with the trimmer that’s been sitter all winter in a shed. Small carbs will clog.

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John_Manyjars  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:42:28am

re: #19 Shiplord Kirel

It’s quite simple: tRump will keep ‘those people’ in their place.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:44:43am
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Timothy Watson  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:46:59am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:47:26am

re: #60 HappyWarrior

Really? I don’t do Twitter but trending on Twitter is a decent way of gauging what people are talking about.

I am referring to broadcast news…rather than investigate what is happening, they report what people are chattering about.

People like Breitbart and Drudge figured out that if they can just get a story, no matter how unfounded or far-fetched, floating out on Twitter and the Internets, it will get picked up by the broadcast media and treated as if it had some merit…

and that is part of what led to our current Presidency.

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makeitstop  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:48:08am

re: #72 Timothy Watson

He’s sure MAGAing
U.S. job market weak in May, adding just 138,000 jobs

Yeah, and he touted ‘millions of new jobs’ at his stupid Rose Garden announcement yesterday, facts be damned.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:50:04am

re: #71 Dr. Matt

Image: giphy.gif

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:50:41am

re: #59 HappyWarrior

And poor Goering he has none at all!

That was Goebbels

From a canonical source

George Carlin - Hitler song

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caseyjr  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:51:39am

re: #46 The Vicious Babushka

I was offline Wednesday & Thursday and this morning there is this “covfefe” meme everywhere.

The Googles says it’s another misspelled Trumptweet

Covfefe is love; covfefe is life.
Promise her anything, but give her Covfefe.
It’s a classy, gilded Sadaam-chic dank meme.

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Franklin  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:55:40am

re: #46 The Vicious Babushka

I was offline Wednesday & Thursday and this morning there is this “covfefe” meme everywhere.

The Googles says it’s another misspelled Trumptweet

My favorite take on the meme:

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Decatur Deb  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:56:08am

re: #69 (Bert the Turtle)

Get offa my lawn, ya punk!

.. if feel ya, Man. But I finally gave in and joined up(sigh).

Welp, I broke my neighbor’s tiller so it looks like I’ll be dropping it off at the repair guy’s garage along with the trimmer that’s been sitter all winter in a shed. Small carbs will clog.

Constant problem with little-used ICEs. I found it far cheaper the last time to just buy a new carb on Amazon and bolt it on. A rational economy would market two sizes of engine modules with families of twist-on sharp ends. (Getting good service from 24v electrics.)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:56:37am

re: #73 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am referring to broadcast news…rather than investigate what is happening, they report what people are chattering about.

People like Breitbart and Drudge figured out that if they can just get a story, no matter how unfounded or far-fetched, floating out on Twitter and the Internets, it will get picked up by the broadcast media and treated as if it had some merit…

and that is part of what led to our current Presidency.

True enough.

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caseyjr  Jun 2, 2017 • 5:59:57am

re: #79 Decatur Deb

Constant problem with little-used ICEs. I found it far cheaper the last time to just buy a new carb on Amazon and bolt it on. A rational economy would market two sizes of engine modules with families of twist-on sharp ends. (Getting good service from 24v electrics.)

First drain the bowl, get the water out with some denatured alcohol. Check for spark. Then order a part if need be.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:00:11am

Probably-real Orwell quote showing up on RWNJ sites:

“A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims… but accomplices.”

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Timothy Watson  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:03:11am

re: #82 Decatur Deb

Probably-real Orwell quote showing up on RWNJ sites:

“A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims… but accomplices.”

Are they projecting or did some self-awareness seep into their brains?

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jeffreyw  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:04:40am

Flickr


Good morning! (Imgur is broken)

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Dr. Matt  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:05:40am
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Decatur Deb  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:05:50am

re: #83 Timothy Watson

Are they projecting or did some self-awareness seep into their brains?

Serious nutjobs gave up on the electoral process minutes into the Obama administration. These people hunger for the clarity of civil slaughter.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:10:04am

re: #79 Decatur Deb

There’s a local guy right up the hill from me who fixes just about anything that has to do with yard upkeep and snow removal. He’s been doing out of his garage for as long as I can remember - cash only. He’s a local treasure and he’s saved my butt at least a half dozen times over some brutal winters.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:11:43am

Spread the word.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:13:57am

re: #87 (Bert the Turtle)

There’s a local guy right up the hill from me who fixes just about anything that has to do with yard upkeep and snow removal. He’s been doing out of his garage for as long as I can remember - cash only. He’s a local treasure and he’s saved my butt at least a half dozen times over some brutal winters.

FIL was like that, could keep anything from a Mantis tiller to an M-60 running.

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makeitstop  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:14:05am

Masons’ union recruitment went off without a hitch - we collected 2,000 applicants in just shy of four minutes. woot!

Now…back in the truck and home to NY. Catch y’all later.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:21:24am

re: #88 Dr. Matt

Spread the word.

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Some people just fucking suck man.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:25:11am

re: #88 Dr. Matt

Spread the word.

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What a waste of oxygen. Since crucifxion is illegal, I vote for 500 years at hard labor.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:29:21am

re: #71 Dr. Matt

Yet one more reason not to fly United.

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I cannot.  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:32:27am

re: #93 wheat-dogg

I know that air travel, mile-for-mile is the safest by far. Then I see videos like that and my vomeroNOPEal organ triggers…

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Decatur Deb  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:33:00am

re: #93 wheat-dogg

Yet one more reason not to fly United.

A jet engine is pretty much on fire all the time.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:36:47am

So, this is interesting. It’s a sidebar to The Guardian’s story about the EU saying FU to Trump.

When can the US withdraw from the Paris climate deal?
The US can pull out of the Paris agreement no earlier than 3 November 2020 - which happens to be the day of the next US presidential election. This is because article 28 of the Paris agreement, which the Trump administration says it will abide by, states that a nation can only submit a withdrawal three years after the agreement entered force - 4 November 2016. This withdrawal then takes effect one year later.

theguardian.com

I bet Trump’s loyal minions don’t realize he’s lying to them again.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:37:46am

re: #95 Decatur Deb

A jet engine is pretty much on fire all the time.

Well, yeah, but it’s best the fire stay inside approved containers.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:38:58am

re: #35 Dr. Matt

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The aim for energy independence is to not have to rely on just ONE form of energy. We need solar combined with wind combined with hydro (wave, water flow, waterfall, etc) combined with whatever else might show as a source in the future. No one point of failure or monopoly.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:46:57am

re: #96 wheat-dogg

They don’t. I had a rwnj buddy of mine yesterday all giddy about Trump “tearing that deal to shreds!”.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:49:18am

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

I think he’s mad.

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He refused to vote for Secretary Clinton for bogus reasons and yet has the gall to be running his mouth about Trump? He’s why we’re suffering under Trump right now.

Can any of these Bernie Bros argue with a straight face that President Hillary Clinton would be taking the horrendous actions that Trump has taken? Can they not see how not voting for the Democratic candidate has got us to where we are now?

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Jay C  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:49:31am

OT, but I popped up to our summer palazzo house for the day (Berkshires, MA) and just saw a (?)young bobcat casually saunter across my front lawn. I’m guessing “young” because it was smaller and less-markedly-colored than one I saw last fall: it’s just odd that after having a house up here for 25 years or so, these two sightings are the only time I’ve seen bobcats (I had to Wiki it to be sure) - they were/are supposed to be fairly rare hereabouts. Though when I woke up this morning, I glanced out the window to see a pair of rabbits calmly munching away on the grass: I’m guessing their presence isn’t unrelated to Bob and his family hanging around….
I love being in the country…

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Belafon  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:50:12am

I was reading this take on Trump’s faulty reasoning for withdrawal, and here’s the absurd logic: The Chamber of Commerce study basically assumes that how we’re going to solve climate change is just to turn off the lights. The footnote mentioned gives it away:

The study “does not take into account potential benefits from avoided emissions. … The model does not take into consideration yet-to-be developed technologies that might influence the long-term cost.”

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:50:58am

re: #13 Targetpractice

The Bros position is totally one of privilege. If I had a nickel for every time I heard “I lived through Bush, I can live through Trump” from a Bro.

Because basically they could care less about what minorities are going to suffer through under Trump. It’s not their problem and they’ll be just fine. What a great attitude to have. /s

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:51:01am

re: #71 Dr. Matt

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“No, you fools! You only pitch unruly passengers into the intake while you are STILL ON THE GROUND!”

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Skip Intro  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:51:14am

re: #72 Timothy Watson

He’s sure MAGAing
U.S. job market weak in May, adding just 138,000 jobs

How many of those are coal mining jobs? Zero?

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:52:45am

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

Keep up the good fight, Frank!!

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Decatur Deb  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:54:18am

re: #103 Patricia Kayden

Because basically they could care less about what minorities are going to suffer through under Trump. It’s not their problem and they’ll be just fine. What a great attitude to have. /s

They haven’t been told yet that they are a minority.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:57:06am

re: #101 Jay C

OT, but I popped up to our summer palazzo house for the day (Berkshires, MA) and just saw a (?)young bobcat casually saunter across my front lawn. I’m guessing “young” because it was smaller and less-markedly-colored than one I saw last fall: it’s just odd that after having a house up here for 25 years or so, these two sightings are the only time I’ve seen bobcats (I had to Wiki it to be sure) - they were/are supposed to be fairly rare hereabouts. Though when I woke up this morning, I glanced out the window to see a pair of rabbits calmly munching away on the grass: I’m guessing their presence isn’t unrelated to Bob and his family hanging around….
I love being in the country…

That’s cool. Apparently making quite a comeback up here in NH.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:57:20am

re: #103 Patricia Kayden

Because basically they could care less about what minorities are going to suffer through under Trump. It’s not their problem and they’ll be just fine. What a great attitude to have. /s

Their precious principles are more important than people whose lives will be or have been affected by this president.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:57:25am

re: #105 Skip Intro

How many of those are coal mining jobs? Zero?

Coal mining data from BLS:

Series Id Year Period Value (thousands)
CES1021210001 2016 M01 55.5
CES1021210001 2016 M02 53.5
CES1021210001 2016 M03 52.1
CES1021210001 2016 M04 51.2
CES1021210001 2016 M05 49.8
CES1021210001 2016 M06 49.0
CES1021210001 2016 M07 48.7
CES1021210001 2016 M08 48.6
CES1021210001 2016 M09 48.6
CES1021210001 2016 M10 49.3
CES1021210001 2016 M11 49.7
CES1021210001 2016 M12 49.7
CES1021210001 2017 M01 50.0
CES1021210001 2017 M02 50.3
CES1021210001 2017 M03 50.4
CES1021210001 2017 M04 50.6(P)
CES1021210001 2017 M05 51.0(P)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:58:49am

re: #110 Timothy Watson

Coal mining data from BLS:

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Cut, here’s a Coal Miner who voted for Trump who now worries..

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Belafon  Jun 2, 2017 • 6:59:13am

re: #19 Shiplord Kirel

Shameless page promotion. Author Gary Silverman sits down with non-wingnut Baptist minister Wayne Flynt to try to answer what might be the question of the age.

How the Bible Belt Lost God and Found Trump

Atheists are far more “Christian” than evangelicals.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:02:10am

I don’t mean to sound callous but as I’ve said before- economies do transition and the coal mining industry is no exception. It was declining long before Trump and Obama came around.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:03:23am

re: #109 HappyWarrior

Their precious principles are more important than people whose lives will be or have been affected by this president.

There are very, very, few people whose lives will not be degraded by this president and his henchmen.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:05:19am

re: #114 Decatur Deb

There are very, very, few people whose lives will not be degraded by this president and his henchmen.

True but i’m talking about the people whose lives will be affected the most. Immigrant families who worry about ICE raids, Muslim-Americans harassed by bigots, etc. The purer than thou didn’t give a fuck about those people when they were having temper tantrums over Sanders not being the nominee.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:05:21am

re: #113 HappyWarrior

I don’t mean to sound callous but as I’ve said before- economies do transition and the coal mining industry is no exception. It was declining long before Trump and Obama came around.

Who remembers Ronald Reagan’s “War on Coal”? Or H.W.’s?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:07:51am

re: #116 Timothy Watson

Who remembers Ronald Reagan’s “War on Coal”? Or H.W.’s?

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It was an industry on the decline when my Grandpa left Pennsylvania in the 50’s. West Virginia was on the decline long before Obama came around. I hate to bring race into it but if this wasn’t an industry primarily in rural, white America, conservatives would have been telling those people to get the hell over it. I mean it’s not that I don’t feel bad, I do but at the same time I do think they should have realized the decline of the domestic coal industry was a long time coming.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:09:41am

And I’m sorry but coal miners need to get over their hostility towards environmentalists too.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:11:33am

re: #35 Dr. Matt

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The replies to Santorum all point out that he’s a stupid person.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:13:08am

re: #117 HappyWarrior

It was an industry on the decline when my Grandpa left Pennsylvania in the 50’s. West Virginia was on the decline long before Obama came around. I hate to bring race into it but if this wasn’t an industry primarily in rural, white America, conservatives would have been telling those people to get the hell over it. I mean it’s not that I don’t feel bad, I do but at the same time I do think they should have realized the decline of the domestic coal industry was a long time coming.

ALL THOSE N*****S IN DETROIT NEED TO SUCK IT UP AND GET A JOB!!1! I DON’T CARE IF THEIR FACTORY CLOSED!1!! IT’S CALLED THE FREE MARKET!!1!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:14:12am

re: #46 The Vicious Babushka

I was offline Wednesday & Thursday and this morning there is this “covfefe” meme everywhere.

The Googles says it’s another misspelled Trumptweet

Not misspelled, he appeared to have a TIA in the middle of tweeting. He spelled “coverage” as “covfefe”, then sent the Tweet without finishing his sentence.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:14:12am

re: #115 HappyWarrior

True but i’m talking about the people whose lives will be affected the most. Immigrant families who worry about ICE raids, Muslim-Americans harassed by bigots, etc. The purer than thou didn’t give a fuck about those people when they were having temper tantrums over Sanders not being the nominee.

Those are going to be the first to feel it. Everyone with a kid in public school, every disabled person, everyone without private insurance, everyone scraping by on minimum wage, everyone in the school-to-prison pipeline, everyone with a HS diploma…..

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:14:30am

re: #120 Timothy Watson

ALL THOSE N*****S IN DETROIT NEED TO SUCK IT UP AND GET A JOB!!1! I DON’T CARE IF THEIR FACTORY CLOSED!1!! IT’S CALLED THE FREE MARKET!!1!

It’s the same thing with drugs. I’m glad we’re worrying about the opoid problem but at the same time, I just wonder where that concern was during the crack epidemic.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:14:49am

Obama’s statement on Trump’s move:

washingtonpost.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:15:06am

re: #122 Decatur Deb

Those are going to be the first to feel it. Everyone with a kid in public school, every disabled person, everyone without private insurance, everyone scraping by on minimum wage, everyone in the school-to-prison pipeline, everyone with a HS diploma…..

They already do feel it. There are stories of abused spouses afraid to call the police out of fear of being deported.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:15:12am

re: #118 HappyWarrior

And I’m sorry but coal miners need to get over their hostility towards environmentalists too.

It is an old tradition that the job of a politician is to ensure an abundance of well paid jobs with benefits for people with minimal education and training, Mining and heavy manufacturing fall into those categories.

And among those people who support Trump are ones who are too dense to realize that no politician can bring those jobs back, at best all they can do is to halt the decline.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:16:59am

re: #121 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Not misspelled, he appeared to have a TIA in the middle of tweeting. He spelled “coverage” as “covfefe”, then sent the Tweet without finishing his sentence.

and left it up for hours unaltered.

and nobody discussed how this odd means of communicating and behavior is completely inconsistent with being the leader of the United States and commander in chief of the world’s largest military…

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Decatur Deb  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:18:50am

re: #125 HappyWarrior

They already do feel it. There are stories of abused spouses afraid to call the police out of fear of being deported.

You ain’t seen nuthin’ yet.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:19:28am

The Right Wing in a nutshell, y’all:

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Decatur Deb  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:20:10am

re: #129 The Vicious Babushka

The Right Wing in a nutshell, y’all:

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Needs more Jay-sus.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:20:44am

re: #129 The Vicious Babushka

The Right Wing in a nutshell, y’all:

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Where’s my Castle reaction GIF?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:23:39am

re: #129 The Vicious Babushka

I just have a hard time believing climate change extremists when so many of them also believe boys can become girls.

climate change extremist

feminazi

environmental whacko

white genocide

pc snowflake

and these are standard terms nowadays

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:28:06am

re: #129 The Vicious Babushka

The Right Wing in a nutshell, y’all:

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Erick won’t see that. He blocks people who tell the truth about his mistaken beliefs.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:29:29am

re: #129 The Vicious Babushka

The Right Wing in a nutshell, y’all:

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Why the fuck do you care so much? And transgender is nothing new, you dumbass. It’s been around since before you or I were born even if you are one old 40 year old , Erick.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:29:53am

re: #128 Decatur Deb

You ain’t seen nuthin’ yet.

Oh I know.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:30:09am

re: #117 HappyWarrior

It was an industry on the decline when my Grandpa left Pennsylvania in the 50’s. West Virginia was on the decline long before Obama came around. I hate to bring race into it but if this wasn’t an industry primarily in rural, white America, conservatives would have been telling those people to get the hell over it. I mean it’s not that I don’t feel bad, I do but at the same time I do think they should have realized the decline of the domestic coal industry was a long time coming.

Just thought of something else: It’s their pushing for fracking everywhere which has cannibalized the coal industry.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:30:30am

re: #134 HappyWarrior

Why the fuck do you care so much? And transgender is nothing new, you dumbass. It’s been around since before you or I were born even if you are one old 40 year old , Erick.

It just tells us about the mentality of the people we are dealing with.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:30:46am

re: #136 Timothy Watson

Just thought of something else: It’s their pushing for fracking everywhere which has cannibalized the coal industry.

Yes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:31:13am

re: #136 Timothy Watson

Just thought of something else: It’s their pushing for fracking everywhere which has cannibalized the coal industry.

That is neither here nor there. If we simply removed all environmental and safety regulations, the coal jobs would come rushing back!!!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:31:16am

re: #137 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It just tells us about the mentality of the people we are dealing with.

Yeah people who claim to be for individual rights but can’t accept people who want to feel comfortable in their own ksin.

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Belafon  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:32:22am

re: #129 The Vicious Babushka

The Right Wing in a nutshell, y’all:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:32:54am

re: #140 HappyWarrior

Yeah people who claim to be for individual rights but can’t accept people who want to feel comfortable in their own ksin.

They grew up in a system of belief in which God created men and women and anything in between was a freak of nature and/or an abomination unto the Lord.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:34:52am

re: #141 Belafon

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Falldidit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:36:53am
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Citizen K  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:37:58am

How I long for the day when the crazification factor was only at 27%, and Peak Wingnut was a concept that seemed like it was in view.

Fun, more naive times…

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Decatur Deb  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:39:14am

re: #145 Citizen K

How I long for the day when the crazification factor was only at 27%, and Peak Wingnut was a concept that seemed like it was in view.

Fun, more naive times…

Be of good cheer. When Trump is done, the country will have lost its taste for crazy.

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Jay C  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:39:45am

re: #118 HappyWarrior

And I’m sorry but coal miners need to get over their hostility towards environmentalists too.

And what’s the likelihood of THAT happening? (Guess: about the same as all those coal jobs “coming back”?) Resentment about losing one’s job/livelihood/industry to abstract factors like technological advances or changes in the global energy markets has one major disadvantage (for politicians, anyway). It’s harder to exploit for political gain than if you have a convenient hate-object to focus on. And the “liberal environmentalist” - invariably painted as some arrogant, affluent DFH asshole who’s Not From Around Here motivated mainly by anti-American animus and riding around in a Prius solely to mock and sneer at Just-Plain-Folks - is a useful strawman. Unlike coal, blame-shifting is a perennial growth industry.

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Belafon  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:40:16am

re: #145 Citizen K

How I long for the day when the crazification factor was only at 27%, and Peak Wingnut was a concept that seemed like it was in view.

Fun, more naive times…

Peak wingnut is in full view, but like the fires at the edge of the event horizon, we will either push through, or be comsumed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:40:41am

re: #145 Citizen K

How I long for the day when the crazification factor was only at 27%, and Peak Wingnut was a concept that seemed like it was in view.

Fun, more naive times…

Yes, but then what was once considered major wingnuttery became so mainstreamed that people saw it as something normal and acceptable.

Again, the way that “trending on Twitter” became a viable item for broadcast news contributed greatly to this development.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:40:59am

re: #88 Dr. Matt

Spread the word.

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They caught him:
katu.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:41:30am

re: #147 Jay C

And what’s the likelihood of THAT happening? (Guess: about the same as all those coal jobs “coming back”?) Resentment about losing one’s job/livelihood/industry to abstract factors like technological advances or changes in the global energy markets has one major disadvantage (for politicians, anyway). It’s harder to exploit for political gain than if you have a convenient hate-object to focus on. And the “liberal environmentalist” - invariably painted as some arrogant, affluent DFH asshole who’s Not From Around Here motivated mainly by anti-American animus and riding around in a Prius solely to mock and sneer at Just-Plain-Folks - is a useful strawman. Unlike coal, blame-shifting is a perennial growth industry.

Exactly but no one tells them to get over it. The media and candidates do however pander to their resentments.

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Citizen K  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:43:05am

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, but then Wingnuttery became so mainstreamed that people saw it as something normal and acceptable.

Again, the way that “trending on Twitter” became a viable item for broadcast news contributed greatly to this development.

Meanwhile, empathy and equal treatment managed to get turned into cardinal sins because why the fuck not.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:45:45am

re: #152 Citizen K

Meanwhile, empathy and equal treatment managed to get turned into cardinal sins because why the fuck not.

Indeed, empathy has come to be considered a bad thing in too many quarters. Now it’s considered socially acceptable to be a fucking asshole to people who are different than you i.e. the Milo Y’s of the world.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:46:27am

re: #152 Citizen K

Meanwhile, empathy and equal treatment managed to get turned into cardinal sins because why the fuck not.

because equal treatment became synonymous for White Genocide and empathy was taken for destroying individual initiative and creating dependency.

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I cannot.  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:47:00am

AnCaps…some of the weirdest of the weird.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:48:43am

re: #155 I cannot.

AnCaps…some of the weirdest of the weird.

drug cartels as a standard for human interaction, yes…

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:49:02am

Gotta run to the office, do some errands, but I’ll leave with a bit of levity:

KITKAT Katapult

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I cannot.  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:49:56am

And now, off to watch some WWI movie…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:50:26am

re: #157 Barefoot Grin

Gotta run to the office, do some errands, but I’ll leave with a bit of levity:

Reminds me a bit of this one

medieval help desk

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:52:34am

When I was working out yesterday, I was thinking about my personal code and how some of my views were helped shaped by learning about Apartheid and how Catholics were treated in Northern Ireland. I just remember watching the film Cry Freedom and two things striking me, the amount of black South Africans killed by the regime and into my lifetime that happened and how we in the Reagan years supported that regime. That’s being a SJW to me. I’m a white kid from the suburbs. I just want to try to understand people different than I.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:55:05am

re: #160 HappyWarrior

When I was working out yesterday, I was thinking about my personal code and how some of my views were helped shaped by learning about Apartheid and how Catholics were treated in Northern Ireland. I just remember watching the film Cry Freedom and two things striking me, the amount of black South Africans killed by the regime and into my lifetime that happened and how we in the Reagan years supported that regime. That’s being a SJW to me. I’m a white kid from the suburbs. I just want to try to understand people different than I.

I grew up a minority, a white kid in Gary, Indiana, one of only about three white families on the block. I have little tolerance for racist assholes who grew up across the tracks from the minorities they are disparaging and generalizing about.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:57:58am

re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I grew up a minority, a white kid in Gary, Indiana, one of only about three white families on the block. I have little tolerance for racist assholes who grew up across the tracks from the minorities they are disparaging and generalizing about.

I did grow up in a diverse area. I really think that helped shape my world view too. When I hear Muslim, I’m more than likely to remember an old grade school friend than think about terrorism for example. I’m aware of MS-13 but my SiL’s sister’s husband is El Salvadorian and one of the sharpest guys I know.

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covfefe  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:58:24am

re: #141 Belafon

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KGxvi  Jun 2, 2017 • 7:58:52am

I’ve been thinking about what this Paris Agreement decision means for American leadership going forward. I’ve gamed it out, and have a couple of possibilities:

1. The US gets sidelined for the next three and a half years because all the other world leaders know that what this diplomatic staffer said is true; but our role as a leader in the world remain intact once Trump is rage tweeting losing 40 states in 2020:

2. China and the EU (or more specifically, Germany and/or France) rise to fill the void of world leadership. In this scenario, many of the developing nations line up with China and the other BRIC countries (though I’m not sure Russia really goes along with this); while developed countries line up with the EU. The US gets mostly sidelined and has to spend a decade or two going along to get along.

3. The reaction from Trump and his base to being sidelined, which I think is inevitable, is… less than good. So, he starts lash out. What form that takes, I don’t know. Hopefully it’s just a whole bunch of tweets sprinkled with misspellings. But perhaps its a trade war, or worse, a shooting war. At which point, the US economy tanks because countries decide to stop trading with us, the Euro becomes the default reserve currency instead of the dollar, and the US gets reduced to being a “regional power.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:02:19am

THE RAPE OF AMERICA CONTINUES

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:03:12am

re: #165 The Vicious Babushka

THE RAPE OF AMERICA CONTINUES

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Says the guy who voted for the bailouts. Fuck off, Paul.

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sagehen  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:03:15am

re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I grew up a minority, a white kid in Gary, Indiana, one of only about three white families on the block. I have little tolerance for racist assholes who grew up across the tracks from the minorities they are disparaging and generalizing about.

I’m Jewish. My parents made sure I understood that bigotry of any sort, no matter where it starts, no matter who’s first… is always ALWAYS ALWAYS going to get to the Jews eventually. That’s why our own survival depended on opposing any of it, all the time.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:03:51am

The replies to Paul Ryan are worth reading the entire thread.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:04:56am

re: #165 The Vicious Babushka

THE RAPE OF AMERICA CONTINUES

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:07:20am

If a company or financial institution is too big to fail, it needs to be either regulated or broken up.

Otherwise, the Free Market no longer functions in the manner for which it was intended, namely to benefit all participants: producers and employers as well as consumers and employees.

Our current system is weighted in favor of those with the most resources to spend on lobbying and purchasing influence, namely the former.

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sagehen  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:09:03am

re: #164 KGxvi

4. The next time we want something really badly, and try to negotiate any sort of terms for anything, nobody will sit down with us because “why waste time negotiating a deal with a country that’ll back out anyway after the next election.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:09:59am

re: #167 sagehen

I’m Jewish. My parents made sure I understood that bigotry of any sort, no matter where it starts, no matter who’s first… is always ALWAYS ALWAYS going to get to the Jews eventually. That’s why our own survival depended on opposing any of it, all the time.

My Dad’s Dad made it clear to him at an early age that the n-word was never acceptable. The alt-right wing assholes would call him a “Beta cuck.”

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Citizen K  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:14:30am

re: #160 HappyWarrior

When I was working out yesterday, I was thinking about my personal code and how some of my views were helped shaped by learning about Apartheid and how Catholics were treated in Northern Ireland. I just remember watching the film Cry Freedom and two things striking me, the amount of black South Africans killed by the regime and into my lifetime that happened and how we in the Reagan years supported that regime. That’s being a SJW to me. I’m a white kid from the suburbs. I just want to try to understand people different than I.

Yeah, I managed to have an uncharacteristically diverse neighborhood for Southern WV, being raised Filipino and Catholic, with Mexican neighbors, an Indian best friend, and a Catholic School class that was just as uncharacteristically diverse. Not to mention a theology teacher who was a serious social activist (he had a picture of Martin Sheen from one of the protests he attended, as well as one from a School of the Americas protests), and I’m pretty sure was the son of legitimate hippies.

Catholic School was, ironically, where I lost my faith, but only because I was disillusioned with institutions, but it informed my philosophy enough where I gelled with all the messages of empathy in the Gospels. So even if I’m way lapsed, I still feel my hackles raised up when people use Christianity as an excuse to tell people that they are somehow undeserving of even basic respect.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:14:45am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:15:41am

re: #173 Citizen K

Yeah, I managed to have an uncharacteristically diverse neighborhood for Southern WV, being raised Filipino and Catholic, with Mexican neighbors, an Indian best friend, and a Catholic School class that was just as uncharacteristically diverse. Not to mention a theology teacher who was a serious social activist (he had a picture of Martin Sheen from one of the protests he attended, as well as one from a School of the Americas protests), and I’m pretty sure was the son of legitimate hippies.

Catholic School was, ironically, where I lost my faith, but only because I was disillusioned with institutions, but it informed my philosophy enough where I gelled with all the messages of empathy in the Gospels. So even if I’m way lapsed, I still feel my hackles raised up when people use Christianity as an excuse to tell people that they are somehow undeserving of even basic respect.

A lot of my philosophy more or less was shaped by devout Catholics or people who were raised by them. IT’s yeah the messages of empathy. And I really think empathy is sorely lacking these days.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:16:24am

The Daily’s Beast’s Conservative con-man is at it again:
Paris Can Wait—It Was a Bad Deal

Gotta have “balance”.

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sagehen  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:17:11am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:17:15am

re: #175 HappyWarrior

A lot of my philosophy more or less was shaped by devout Catholics or people who were raised by them. IT’s yeah the messages of empathy. And I really think empathy is sorely lacking these days.

Just think of the outpourings of empathy for poor Barron Trump when he was exposed to those scary pictures of that mean, intolerant liberal lady beheading his daddy!!!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:18:41am

re: #177 sagehen

I wish they weren’t related, but allowing Americans to destroy the air and water is good for short-term profits, and that’s what drives stock prices.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:20:30am
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Ace-o-aces  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:21:43am

re: #176 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The Daily’s Beast’s Conservative con-man is at it again:
Paris Can Wait—It Was a Bad Deal

Gotta have “balance”.

Airplane Movie Counter Point clip

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sagehen  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:22:59am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:24:27am
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sagehen  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:26:03am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:27:22am

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:27:55am

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bullshit Vladdy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:28:31am

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

“a 3-year-old can perpetrate such an attack” on US election hacking allegations

he has a point, it is way too easy to hack into the US election system.

but that has nothing to do with any questions of his role in doing so

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:28:33am

re: #177 sagehen

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HAcks R Us says what.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:28:55am

re: #182 sagehen

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:29:16am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:30:25am

re: #189 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

We need the propagandized far-right to accept that Putin is our enemy, rather than seeing him as a way to bring back bigotry here

Putin stands for an oligarchic, authoritarian, homophobic, theocratic state.

Which is near to the GOP ideal, other than they would have us be fundamentalist Protestant rather than Russian Orthodox.

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ipsos  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:30:51am

re: #46 The Vicious Babushka

I was offline Wednesday & Thursday and this morning there is this “covfefe” meme everywhere.

The Googles says it’s another misspelled Trumptweet

Chag sameach covfefe!!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:30:52am

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yes, Mike all those 100+ nations that signed the agreement are “the left.” Maybe we want to leave the Earth a good place to live to our children and grandchildren? Ever figure that out you sexually repressed Trump lackey

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:31:08am

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

“For some reason, this issue of climate change has emerged as a paramount issue for the left - in this country and around the world.”

Al Gore’s fault…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:31:37am

re: #191 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Putin stands for an oligarchic, authoritarian, homophobic, theocratic state.

Which is near to the GOP ideal, other than they would have us be fundamentalist Protestant rather than Russian Orthodox.

Different between the Fundies and the RO is the RO have better beards. But I don’t like homophobic antisemitic Santas much.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:31:38am

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Renaissance_Man  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:32:12am

re: #164 KGxvi

Despite abdicating its role as a global leader in some ways, America remains the single remaining military superpower. This cannot be ignored. It is highly unlikely that its role as world leader will vacate quickly, leaving a void. The Roman Empire took centuries and major invasions to decline - the USA will not vanish quickly.

At the moment, the rest of the world is waiting and watching in disbelief as America aggressively shoots itself in the foot diplomatically and politically. Like many Americans, they are probably waiting for a correction - for adults to come back into power and to resume a status quo after that.

This will ultimately prove false, because Republicans will continue to make gains for the foreseeable future. If Trump runs again in 2020, he will win again easily. Even if he doesn’t run, Republicans will continue to increase their power politically for the next two to six years. Most of the rest of the world doesn’t realise that, I suspect, because they don’t know how debased and awful the American electorate has become. (Yes, I’m aware that it’s about 40% of the American electorate. It’s enough. More than enough.)

After it becomes apparent that the US will continue to elect authoritarians for a generation or so, eventually, the rest of the world will start to give up and look to other things. China will not miss an opportunity to exert economic leadership, and they will be all too happy to make deals with developing nations. This will be sad for a bit, as China is not going to demand freedoms and human rights in the same way that the US has, so human suffering throughout the world will increase, but China’s assumption of this role was ultimately inevitable. The West will increase its own military spending to take the place of the US military, but the expense of doing such a thing will impact their own economies significantly, and they will have to face their own difficulties with social services. The reality of things is that a nation can have two out of three: a big military, an extensive social safety net, low taxes.

The question is, what becomes of the US military as America retreats within itself? Will there be a small war or two as America attempts to maintain with force what it is no longer willing to do with diplomacy? That’s certainly possible. Will America decide to pack up bases in other countries, as countries make them unwelcome or the cost and political difficulty in maintaining an overseas presence becomes unpopular?

It will take decades for America to retreat from world leadership. And there’s still a huge elephant in the room, in the form of a huge nuclear arsenal and a dozen carrier groups that the entire rest of the world put together cannot match. Military respect alone will keep the rest of the world at least guardedly watching America, until such a time as the economic realities of massive income disparity mean that America cannot maintain such a military. But that will take a long time. Long enough for the world to realise that America has gone mad, and it won’t be coming back in this generation.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:32:31am

Merkel probably cracking up being referred to as the “left.”

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:33:27am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:33:36am

When did caring about your planet become a left-right issue?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:34:07am

re: #199 Ace-o-aces

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Those damn elites will probably tell us to start drinking water next! I’m gonna drink coal dust and show them!

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:34:32am
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ObserverArt  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:35:08am

re: #37 The Vicious Babushka

Trump wants to be President For Life. The GOP will abolish the 22nd Amendment for him.

No way!

It takes a lot to abolish an Amendment. The GOP doesn’t have that kind of power for such an important move.

Hell, they are having trouble getting legislation through with control of Congress and the Presidency.

I don’t think everyone is understanding there are splits in the party…one of the reasons they are struggling right now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:35:36am

re: #200 HappyWarrior

When did caring about your planet become a left-right issue?

when you were sold on the notion that climate change was just a Trojan horse to introduce one world government and destroy capitalism and private ownership…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:36:02am

re: #204 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

when you were sold on the notion that climate change was just a Trojan horse to introduce one world government and destroy capitalism and private ownership…

Rhetorical question.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:36:25am

re: #205 HappyWarrior

Rhetorical question.

rhetorical answer

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:37:16am

re: #200 HappyWarrior

When did caring about your planet become a left-right issue?

Science too. The right is so superstitious and dogmatic that they fear good things, and cherish terrible things.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:37:32am

re: #201 HappyWarrior

Those damn elites will probably tell us to start drinking water next! I’m gonna drink coal dust and show them!

Too late.

mediaite.com

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:37:49am

re: #200 HappyWarrior

When did caring about your planet become a left-right issue?

Honestly? Probably since anti nuclear power advocacy groups aligned. 1960’s maybe ‘70’s. Ironically nuclear was thought to be far worse than continuing fossil fuels. Still is by many.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:38:29am

re: #208 Ace-o-aces

Too late.

mediaite.com

Oh come on!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:39:37am

re: #209 Unshaken Defiance

Honestly? Probably since anti nuclear power advocacy groups aligned. 1960’s maybe ‘70’s. Ironically nuclear was thought to be far worse than continuing fossil fuels. Still is by many.

True, I was actually speaking quite rhetorically TBH. It just amazes me if you seem to care about the environment, you’re treated like some kind of damn hippy freak by these people* Not there’s anything wrong with being a hippy or a freak.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:40:48am

re: #209 Unshaken Defiance

Honestly? Probably since anti nuclear power advocacy groups aligned. 1960’s maybe ‘70’s. Ironically nuclear was thought to be far worse than continuing fossil fuels. Still is by many.

Because people remember meltdowns, and are not familiar with the concept of safe, modern reactors that can’t melt down. People suck at both internalizing new information, and assessing risk.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:42:56am

Dodd-Frank was passed in order to PREVENT the bundling of high-risk contracts into “securities” which is what caused the ‘08 crash!

Ryan & gang want to do that all over again.

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ObserverArt  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:43:53am

re: #58 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Internet viral is one thing, but ever since “Trending on Twitter” became a viable item of TV news coverage, I have been predicting the imminent demise of Western Civilization…

Heh. Twitter kills The World 140 characters at a time.

Twitter seems to be the digital equal to the meaty opening sentence or two of a long story that everyone glances at and then thinks they read the whole story and now have a complete understanding of what is going on.

Problem is everyone knows that many times the opening sentences are just a tease to read the rest to really learn something.

Conclusion…no one is learning anything.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:44:21am

The most chill dog ever.

Instagram

My milkshake brings all the chicks to the yard. | Video by @the_fancy_chicken_farm
#babyanimalshd

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:44:23am

re: #207 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Science too. The right is so superstitious and dogmatic that they fear good things, and cherish terrible things.

That goes back to Galileo, except nowadays it is the Catholic Church defending science, evolution and climate change against Protestant fundamentalists.

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ObserverArt  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:46:36am

re: #60 HappyWarrior

Really? I don’t do Twitter but trending on Twitter is a decent way of gauging what people are talking about.

Yeah, in a way like fashion is telling men to wear rompers.

And what if the “bots” are doing the trending? Hello Donny Trump!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:46:54am

Generalissimo Gotsflair speaks up

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:48:38am
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Ace-o-aces  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:50:04am

re: #218 The Vicious Babushka

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Timothy Watson  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:51:42am

re: #220 Ace-o-aces

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THANKS I WAS HOLDING THE SHIFT BUTTON THE ENTIRE TIME!!1!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:52:27am

re: #220 Ace-o-aces

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:54:14am

re: #212 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Because people remember meltdowns, and are not familiar with the concept of safe, modern reactors that can’t melt down. People suck at both internalizing new information, and assessing risk.

People also remember The China Syndrome - which, while it was a very good film, further hardened anti-nuclear attitudes, especially as it was released shortly before the Three Mile Island incident.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:54:53am
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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:55:21am

re: #220 Ace-o-aces

Holeeeeee Shit. Did you check out Billie’s timeline? Prime candidate for the PT Barnum sucker of the year award right there.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:55:39am

re: #218 The Vicious Babushka

Generalissimo Gotsflair speaks up

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Whatever Sheriff Fascist.

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gocart mozart  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:57:28am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 8:58:37am

re: #223 Dr Lizardo

People also remember The China Syndrome - which, while it was a very good film, further hardened anti-nuclear attitudes, especially as it was released shortly before the Three Mile Island incident.

People also remember Chernobyl and Fukushima…and will continue to do so for years and years…for some leftist reason Mike Pence cannot understand.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:01:44am

Someone should tell Pence that he and Trump are in line with Daniel Ortega on this issue.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:03:08am

re: #218 The Vicious Babushka

Generalissimo Gotsflair speaks up

Upding for Generalissimo Gotsflair.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:03:59am

re: #230 Sir John Barron

Upding for Generalissimo Gotsflair.

Yes great nickname.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:05:09am

re: #177 sagehen

The high DOW during Obama was a bubble.

//

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Sir John Barron  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:08:03am

re: #213 The Vicious Babushka

Dodd-Frank was passed in order to PREVENT the bundling of high-risk contracts into “securities” which is what caused the ‘08 crash!

Ryan & gang want to do that all over again.

Why do you hate Freedom?

/

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BeachDem  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:13:11am

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And as an accompaniment—dumb as a stump (but with more Jeebus)

Edit to add—that’s what I get for falling behind on a thread.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:14:31am

re: #234 BeachDem

And as an accompaniment—dumb as a stump (but with more Jeebus)

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He thinks it’s just the left. Keep on leaving a yugge bubble.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:17:28am

What Kathy Griffin did was stupid as fuck, but this is MOAR STUPID

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:18:08am
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FormerDirtDart  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:18:45am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:19:52am

re: #236 The Vicious Babushka

What Kathy Griffin did was stupid as fuck, but this is MOAR STUPID

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Nugent gets treated as a hero by the GOP.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:20:25am

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yep.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:20:33am

These are the kind of people who thought Obama was a Gay-Muslim Extremist-Communist.

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Citizen K  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:20:39am

re: #236 The Vicious Babushka

What Kathy Griffin did was stupid as fuck, but this is MOAR STUPID

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Objection: I contend what Griffin did was stupid.

What’s shown in those pics, on the other hand, is malicious and more of an overt threat than any dumb piece of performance art by Griffin. What it isn’t is ‘stupid’, because these assholes want what their signs portray and support the idea of it actually happening. People behind those may be personally stupid, but the sentiment and intent is transparently violent and malicious in a purely intentional way

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:21:01am

re: #239 HappyWarrior

Nugent gets treated as a hero by the GOP.

Just good ol’ boys havin’ theyselves some fun down on the farm…

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caseyjr  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:22:28am

re: #232 Sir John Barron

The high DOW during Obama was a bubble.

//

For the Dow to equal the Obama-era performance, it will have to close at about 52,000 at the 2024 inauguration.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:25:31am

re: #238 FormerDirtDart

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“Due to an extensive waiting list, we are currently not accepting any new applications. Please check back in August 2017.”

Good news.

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ObserverArt  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:25:46am

re: #200 HappyWarrior

When did caring about your planet become a left-right issue?

Since about 1970 and the first Earth Day. Which was associated with those “dirty hippies” at the same time there was big fight over “red necks” and “hippies” over the Vietnam war.

For some reason those two sides were iced permanently and have remained against each other ever since.

FOX News built a business model off of it. Here we are.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:26:32am

re: #241 Ace-o-aces

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These are the kind of people who thought Obama was a Gay-Muslim Extremist-Communist.

Keep on telling yourself it’s just LEFTISTS that support Paris, shit for brains.

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sagehen  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:27:10am

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Does a bear shit in the woods?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:27:25am

re: #246 ObserverArt

Since about 1970 and the first Earth Day. Which was associated with those “dirty hippies” at the same time there was big fight over “red necks” and “hippies” over the Vietnam war.

The counter to environmental arguments was always: what do you want: pristine streams and flowery meadows, or PROGRESS and PROSPERITY?!?

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caseyjr  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:27:38am

If said “patriotic Russian hackers” step forward, they are almost guaranteed to receive both the Order of Lenin and the Congressional Medal of Honor at a joint East Room ceremony in recognition the their service to their mother country and the GOP.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:27:46am

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sagehen  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:27:58am

re: #238 FormerDirtDart

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so… stupid, untrainable dogs. with no sense of smell. just what i was looking for.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:28:22am

re: #249 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The counter to environmental arguments was always: what do you want: pristine streams and flowery meadows, or PROGRESS and PROSPERITY?!?

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Birth Control Works  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:28:47am

Shameless Pages Post with Short Rant.

Please comment and share.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:29:03am

re: #250 caseyjr

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If said “patriotic Russian hackers” step forward, they are almost guaranteed to receive both the Order of Lenin and the Congressional Medal of Honor at a joint East Room ceremony in recognition the their service to their mother country and the GOP.

The classic “I’ve got a friend” talking point.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:29:18am

re: #250 caseyjr

If said “patriotic Russian hackers” step forward, they are almost guaranteed to receive both the Order of Lenin and the Congressional Medal of Honor at a joint East Room ceremony in recognition the their service to their mother country and the GOP.

DT will continue to blame the US IC, the Washington Post, the NYT, Hillary Clinton, Democrats, American voters, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:29:19am

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yep. It’s a much better place to live now.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:29:42am

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Smells like freedom!

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Dr. Matt  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:30:34am

re: #251 Birth Control Works

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Is that available for purchase?! I want one.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:31:21am

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:31:47am

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is what Pittsburgh looked like back in the heyday of coal.

I grew up in Gary, Indiana, back in the days when the Calumet River used to catch fire and burn…playing in heaps of industrial waste outside the Purex bleach plant.

I know what PROGRESS and PROPSTERITY look like…

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Sir John Barron  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:32:07am

re: #250 caseyjr

If said “patriotic Russian hackers” step forward, they are almost guaranteed to receive both the Order of Lenin and the Congressional Medal of Honor at a joint East Room ceremony in recognition the their service to their mother country and the GOP.

We’re getting a lot closer to the day when DT, the GOP and Faux News and dudebros all say, ‘Yeah, Russia did it, Trump colluded with the Russians, it’s all good, shutup stupid libtard America-haters who want WWIII.’

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Birth Control Works  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:32:11am

re: #259 Dr. Matt

Is that available for purchase?! I want one.

yes, but it’s not mine. American Horror Mug

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ObserverArt  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:32:28am

re: #225 (Bert the Turtle)

Holeeeeee Shit. Did you check out Billie’s timeline? Prime candidate for the PT Barnum sucker of the year award right there.

Yeah…she’s a lover of Freedom!

Freedom for White people that think just like Billie.

Everyone else get off my country!!!

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Birth Control Works  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:32:32am

re: #261 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I grew up in Gary, Indiana, back in the days when the Calumet River used to catch fire and burn…playing in heaps of industrial waste outside the Purex bleach plant.

I know what PROGRESS and PROPSTERITY look like…

Have you seen Gary lately?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:33:30am

re: #265 Birth Control Works

Have you seen Gary lately?

Was last back there about 13 years ago…I have seen that it is an empty shell of itself, having lost 1/3 of its population since I left there.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:33:51am

re: #263 Birth Control Works

yes, but it’s not mine. American Horror Mug

mmmmm, $55 for 2 coffee mugs. I don’t love it that much.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:34:20am

re: #252 sagehen

so… stupid, untrainable dogs. with no sense of smell. just what i was looking for.

Well, definitely pet quality. These dogs usually fail because they don’t have enough prey drive. Something I don’t want in a pet.

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MsJ  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:35:14am

re: #213 The Vicious Babushka

Dodd-Frank was passed in order to PREVENT the bundling of high-risk contracts into “securities” which is what caused the ‘08 crash!

Ryan & gang want to do that all over again.

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caseyjr  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:35:43am

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

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and asthma is a pre-existing condition.

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Jenner7  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:35:44am

Kathy Griffin is digging and it won’t get any better for her.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:36:09am

re: #269 MsJ

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oh yeah, don’t get me started!

Robber Barrons didn’t learn the first time.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:36:34am

The usefulness of the article depends on how much you’re willing to trust their verification, but it’s still interesting.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:37:37am

re: #269 MsJ

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Birth Control Works  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:38:07am

re: #273 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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The usefulness of the article depends on how much you’re willing to trust their verification, but it’s still interesting.

love the bird

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sagehen  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:38:36am

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOS ANGELES 1973
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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:39:41am

re: #260 Birth Control Works

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This is the human cost of less regulation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:41:41am
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MsJ  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:42:40am

re: #252 sagehen

so… stupid, untrainable dogs. with no sense of smell. just what i was looking for.

HEY! Don’t be hating on the dog.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:43:16am

The Pittsburgh Trump talks about was the city my grandparents grew up in. It’s also one where their siblings and close family members died fairly young too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:43:26am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:44:08am

re: #269 MsJ

The Tree of Liberty should be refreshed every generation nine years with the cash of patriots.

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caseyjr  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:44:35am

re: #276 sagehen

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The summer of 1978 I was 16-17years old and traveled to SoCal for the summer where I stayed with relatives. In downtown LA, the gutters and sidewalk joints were full of particulate smog/soot. On a hike to Sturdivant Falls, I was overcome with a bronchitis attack, something I had never experienced. I thought it must be what a heart attack felt like. The air was dangerously bad.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:44:48am

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

Federalism!

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EPR-radar  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:44:55am

re: #272 Birth Control Works

oh yeah, don’t get me started!

Robber Barrons didn’t learn the first time.

They learned their lessons from the first time very well. Unfortunately, that ‘lesson learned’ was to secure complete ownership of the media before starting up the Gilded Age v2.0 program.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:46:15am

All you have to is see Beijing now to know that the right’s vision for the environment is wrong. Maybe I’m just a “leftist” but you know what, I want to walk and not have to wear a surgical mask.

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ObserverArt  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:47:41am

re: #261 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I grew up in Gary, Indiana, back in the days when the Calumet River used to catch fire and burn…playing in heaps of industrial waste outside the Purex bleach plant.

I know what PROGRESS and PROPSTERITY look like…

I grew up in a smaller city in Ohio that was very industrial. I too lived across the tracks.

In my neighborhood there were warehouses, steel plants, brass casting, trucking, paint manufacturing, etc. And yes, railroad tracks galore.

In a big area just behind our houses the neighborhood kids played on pieces of steel structures lying out in the field. There were railroad ties soaked in creosote. 55 gallon drums of paint production waste leaking out of the rust or loosened lids.

Don’t want to see that again for anyone. I’m glad I survived it when you consider all the dangers of all that crap just laying around in a field with kids playing around it.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:48:01am

re: #139 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is neither here nor there. If we simply removed all environmental and safety regulations, the coal jobs would come rushing back!!!

Yep, I’m gonna run out and replace my gas furnace with a coal fired one. And re-purpose my wood workshop back to the coal bin storage area it used to be, and unseal the chute door for the tons of coal delivery. Get myself back to those cold mornings going to the basement to stoke up the furnace in the winter, the joy.

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MsJ  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:49:36am

re: #287 Birth Control Works

Here’s how much Exxon paid Republicans who urged Trump to ditch Paris climate deal

never heard of this site before

Hey, they bought themselves a nice Secretary of State. That should be worth the multi-millions they laid out.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:50:39am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:52:02am

re: #283 caseyjr

The summer of 1978 I was 16-17years old and traveled to SoCal for the summer where I stayed with relatives. In downtown LA, the gutters and sidewalk joints were full of particulate smog/soot. On a hike to Sturdivant Falls, I was overcome with a bronchitis attack, something I had never experienced. I thought it must be what a heart attack felt like. The air was dangerously bad.

I remember that growing up in L.A. in the 1970s. All of us being sent home from school because of smog alerts, even tasting the smog in the back of my throat.

Not exactly good times.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:52:52am

re: #266 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Was last back there about 13 years ago…I have seen that it is an empty shell of itself, having lost 1/3 of its population since I left there.

It hasn’t gotten any better.

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ObserverArt  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:53:15am

re: #285 EPR-radar

They learned their lessons from the first time very well. Unfortunately, that ‘lesson learned’ was to secure complete ownership of the media before starting up the Gilded Age v2.0 program.

Oh that damn liberal media.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:54:11am
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Birth Control Works  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:54:35am
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caseyjr  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:54:45am

re: #292 Dr Lizardo

I remember that growing up in L.A. in the 1970s. All of us being sent home from school because of smog alerts, even tasting the smog in the back of my throat.

Not exactly good times.

The pain subsided in a couple days, but I had a bad cough, jefe.

been dying to use that one ^_^

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Birth Control Works  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:56:58am

I’m so pissed-off today. I think I need retail therapy. I think I’ll buy something from a foreign company.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:57:16am

re: #295 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:57:55am

re: #297 caseyjr

The pain subsided in a couple days, but I had a bad cough, jefe.

The pollution in Los Angeles in the 70’s was pretty damn bad. People here love to complain about pollution, but what they have here nowadays is nothing. To be fair, I’ve heard that Ostrava was really bad in the 70’s as well; this was a big-time steel town until the 1989 Revolution.

The steel mills now are closed, and the coal mines have long since shut down.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:58:32am

re: #299 Birth Control Works

I’m so pissed-off today. I think I need retail therapy. I think I’ll buy something from a foreign company.

Electronics are always good…

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ObserverArt  Jun 2, 2017 • 9:58:34am

re: #289 Eventual Carrion

Yep, I’m gonna run out and replace my gas furnace with a coal fired one. And re-purpose my wood workshop back to the coal bin storage area it used to be, and unseal the chute door for the tons of coal delivery. Get myself back to those cold mornings going to the basement to stoke up the furnace in the winter, the joy.

My youth.

We had all that in our house when I was real young. I remember how the snow would be all white and a day later grey from all the soot from the homes in the neighborhood that had coal furnaces.

My dad would be up at 4:00 AM stoking the coals, shaking the grates and then adding bigger pieces to keep the house warm all day while he was at work from 6:00 Am to 2:30 at Westinghouse.

Don’t want to go back to that ever again too.

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ObserverArt  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:00:24am

re: #299 Birth Control Works

I’m so pissed-off today. I think I need retail therapy. I think I’ll buy something from a foreign company.

Make sure it is German or French.

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Mike Lamb  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:00:26am

re: #295 Backwoods_Sleuth

Seriously, how long before someone files suit saying that the states can’t implement the reduction goals from the Paris Accords?

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Stanley Sea  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:01:06am

re: #299 Birth Control Works

I’m so pissed-off today. I think I need retail therapy

I’m trying to finish up work.

Then going to the store to get poster supplies. This is my plan for tomorrow

I’m going to paint it myself.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:01:17am

This is from a book I read years ago, 7 habits of something by Stephen Covey.

I think the GOP is permanently stuck in early adulthood. They hide their drug use, and sex habits —etc.

you get the picture.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:01:57am

re: #305 Mike Lamb

Seriously, how long before someone files suit saying that the states can’t implement the reduction goals from the Paris Accords?

Soon enough. Missouri already voted to NOT allow cities to increase the minimum wage. LOCAL CONTROL!!!!

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Birth Control Works  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:03:23am

I’m off to the stores.

bbl

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Dr. Matt  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:03:26am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:08:54am

re: #299 Birth Control Works

I’m so pissed-off today. I think I need retail therapy. I think I’ll buy something from a foreign company.

Whatever you do, DON’T BUY IVANKA PRODUCTS.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:11:21am

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

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wrenchwench  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:14:12am

re: #307 Birth Control Works

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This is from a book I read years ago, 7 habits of something by Stephen Covey.

I think the GOP is permanently stuck in early adulthood. They hide their drug use, and sex habits —etc.

you get the picture.

It was The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People, the worst book I ever read. Or worst book-reading experience I ever had. I was getting more depressed with each page. I don’t remember why, but Mr. w said something like, ‘Well, look who wrote it.’ Which I did, and don’t remember what I found, but I tossed the book.

Oh, dear. I see he died as a result of a bike accident, 5 years ago. I think I’ll read this obituary:

Stephen R. Covey Taught Me Not to Be Like Him

[…]

The comments on these obituaries include two very divergent types. One group says he was a “snake oil salesman” who “started a wave of BS in the corporate world — all about clichés and posters and one liners.” The other says “he cleared out a lot of BS by making some important ideas simpler to grasp.” Which is it?

[…]

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Sir John Barron  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:14:32am

re: #311 The Vicious Babushka

Whatever you do, DON’T BUY IVANKA PRODUCTS.

Shoe Sweatshop of Doom would be another great band name.

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EPR-radar  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:14:55am

re: #165 The Vicious Babushka

Dodd-Frank did not create ‘too big to fail’, so it is impossible for repealing it to end ‘too big to fail’. The only real solution to TBTF banks etc. is vigorous trust-busting, which the Republicans will never do.

316
Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:17:58am

re: #314 Sir John Barron

With their debut album “Lock the Doors”, featuring the hit singles “Murder for a nickel” and “White collar, Red Blood”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:19:33am

heh

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ObserverArt  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:26:02am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

[Embedded content]

Nice full brain slam on the knuckle-dragging emailer. Good job Mayor of Austin.

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Kragar  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:27:02am
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Joe Bacon  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:27:48am

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

He sure shows class in his responses which is why I blocked that B-hole!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:28:40am

re: #319 Kragar

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:28:46am

re: #319 Kragar

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I’m thinking of writing a book called Loathsome Dunce but it’s so hard to know which GOP leader to base it on….

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Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:29:49am
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A Mom Anon  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:30:16am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s the best thing EVER. LOL.

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EPR-radar  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:31:31am

re: #322 Barefoot Grin

I’m thinking of writing a book called Loathsome Dunce but it’s so hard to know which GOP leader to base it on….

One easy fix is to make the title plural. E.g. something like Legion of the Damned: A Field Guide to the Cesspits of Satan.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:31:57am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:32:42am

re: #323 Charles Johnson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:34:26am

good grief

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ObserverArt  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:36:57am

re: #322 Barefoot Grin

I’m thinking of writing a book called Loathsome Dunce but it’s so hard to know which GOP leader to base it on….

Easy. Change the title to All the Loathsome Dunces.

You can do two or three parts.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:37:14am

OK, so I’m hearing the next abomination coming at us is that there’s a new plan to tax employer provided insurance as income. Anyone know about this? I’m having trouble finding anything except something very brief on ThinkProgress related to Mike Lee (R-Utah, and also too Evil, Inc) trying to push this.

So it’s not enough to get insurance now, they want to take the FULL cost of health insurance, including what your employer pays and tax that as income. WTF? Tell me this is bullshit, someone? Please?

331
Dr. Matt  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:37:44am

Did Rage Furby make it on video during KG’s presser?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:38:54am
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wrenchwench  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:41:06am

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

[ Then asked if they were Christian.]

He was just making sure they weren’t taking that ‘diversity’ thing too far.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:41:23am

re: #330 A Mom Anon

OK, so I’m hearing the next abomination coming at us is that there’s a new plan to tax employer provided insurance as income. Anyone know about this? I’m having trouble finding anything except something very brief on ThinkProgress related to Mike Lee (R-Utah, and also too Evil, Inc) trying to push this.

So it’s not enough to get insurance now, they want to take the FULL cost of health insurance, including what your employer pays and tax that as income. WTF? Tell me this is bullshit, someone? Please?

Yes, Republicans are that evil.

But of course you would be thrilled to pay tax on the healthcare that you get “for free” from your employer, because you know that the wealthiest 1% will get a big tax cut!!! //

335
Alephnaught  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:42:38am

re: #38 Timothy Watson

Yet Germany gets 18.2% of its power from solar and wind.

Those evil, crafty bastards!

Scotland gets over 50% of its energy from renewable sources, mainly wind and water.

336
Kragar  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:43:30am
337
Big Beautiful Door  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:45:13am

re: #330 A Mom Anon

OK, so I’m hearing the next abomination coming at us is that there’s a new plan to tax employer provided insurance as income. Anyone know about this? I’m having trouble finding anything except something very brief on ThinkProgress related to Mike Lee (R-Utah, and also too Evil, Inc) trying to push this.

So it’s not enough to get insurance now, they want to take the FULL cost of health insurance, including what your employer pays and tax that as income. WTF? Tell me this is bullshit, someone? Please?

Apparently some Republicans are kicking this idea around, but amending the already loathed AHCA to raise taxes on 150 million Americans would send its support below zero, so I have a hard time imagining that will happen.

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stpaulbear  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:45:21am

re: #299 Birth Control Works

I’m so pissed-off today. I think I need retail therapy. I think I’ll buy something from a foreign company.

Go buy the new stereo remix of Sgt. Pepper on vinyl. It’s a German pressing. The mix sounds GREAT and the vinyl is actually pretty good (flat, clean and quiet).

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:46:56am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:51:35am

re: #336 Kragar

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:52:10am

re: #276 sagehen

[Embedded content]

My dad moved us out to LA in ‘61, and by ‘65 we were heading back to Pennsylvania. He said he couldn’t breath there because of the air. I was a kid so I didn’t care to notice much. My mom and 2 sisters came back on a train, dad and I drove back with the truck full of our stuff. That trip back was a great adventure.

342
stpaulbear  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:52:18am

re: #319 Kragar

For some reason…she persisted.

343
gocart mozart  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:53:52am

Pprofiles in obtuseness

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 2, 2017 • 10:56:25am

re: #343 gocart mozart

Pprofiles in obtuseness

[Embedded content]

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 2, 2017 • 11:20:26am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

The guy lives near St Louis. He’s never been to Austin. What a colossal dick.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 2, 2017 • 11:29:46am

re: #345 (Bert the Turtle)

The guy lives near St Louis. He’s never been to Austin. What a colossal dick.

St. Louis produces too many lunatics.


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