WaPo: Trump’s New Dir. of National Intelligence Says Trump Asked Him to Intervene With Comey on Russia Investigation

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Another bombshell from the Washington Post tonight: Trump’s new Director of National Intelligence, Daniel Coats, told associates in March that Trump asked him to intervene with James Comey and get the FBI to lay off the investigation of Michael Flynn’s contacts with Russia.

On March 22, less than a week after being confirmed by the Senate, Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats attended a briefing at the White House together with officials from several government agencies. As the briefing was wrapping up, Trump asked everyone to leave the room except for Coats and CIA Director Mike Pompeo.

The president then started complaining about the FBI investigation and Comey’s handling of it, said officials familiar with the account Coats gave to associates. Two days earlier, Comey had confirmed in a congressional hearing that the bureau was probing whether Trump’s campaign coordinated with Russia during the 2016 race.

After the encounter, Coats discussed the conversation with other officials and decided that intervening with Comey as Trump had suggested would be inappropriate, according to officials who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive internal matters.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:10:24pm

According to the dialect map, I’m either from Minneapolis or Buffalo.

nyti.ms

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:11:25pm

re: #1 A wild WITHAK appeared!

According to the dialect map, I’m either from Minneapolis or Buffalo.

I’m from fucking Florida apparently.

[grumble]

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:19:05pm

He needs to go down and the people who enabled him too. We warned about this but the media wouldn’t shut up about the emails or how the DNC wasn’t totally nice to Bernie.

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freetoken  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:19:16pm

So far, not one Trumper on my Facebook has posted anything about all these revelations.

All I see are whinings about how fake MSM is.

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Belafon  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:21:06pm

re: #4 freetoken

So far, not one Trumper on my Facebook has posted anything about all these revelations.

All I see are whinings about how fake MSM is.

Grave of the Fireflies has nothing on these people.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:22:08pm

The dialect map claims that I’m either from Rockford or Minneapolis-St Paul. That’s not too far — I’m a native Chicagoan.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:22:47pm

re: #4 freetoken

So far, not one Trumper on my Facebook has posted anything about all these revelations.

All I see are whinings about how fake MSM is.

Same here. In fact, most of the current postings on my FB feed are re-links from gun clubs about 6/6/44 - which is a worthy thing to celebrate, but with the way current events are going and the fact that this is not a major anniversary, I would expect to see more postings about current events.

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TedStriker  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:23:41pm

re: #1 A wild WITHAK appeared!

According to the dialect map, I’m either from Minneapolis or Buffalo.

nyti.ms

re: #2 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

I’m from fucking Florida apparently.

[grumble]

Dialect map puts me in: Montgomery, AL or Winston-Salem/Greensboro, NC
Reality: Nashville, TN (all my life)

nyti.ms

At least it pegged me as a Southerner…

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:24:26pm

re: #4 freetoken

So far, not one Trumper on my Facebook has posted anything about all these revelations.

All I see are whinings about how fake MSM is.

Either they don’t believe any of the allegations or they will point out some Clinton infraction and claim that it’s similar or worse.

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ObserverArt  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:25:01pm

re: #4 freetoken

So far, not one Trumper on my Facebook has posted anything about all these revelations.

All I see are whinings about how fake MSM is.

They are all huffing the fumes from the cover-up paint Trump and gang are spraying. A lot of dead brain cells not at work.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:29:39pm

Radiohead is re-issuing OK Computer for its 20th anniversary (sigh, I feel old) with three unreleased tracks from that era. Here’s the first:

Radiohead - I Promise

Sounds more like a track that belongs on The Bends, which is probably why it was left off, but a beautiful song nonetheless.

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BeachDem  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:30:11pm

This photo of the big meeting today pretty much says it all. The assholes are glad-handing each other as the yam plops in his seat, trying to remember where the fuck he even is. Sigh.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:31:42pm

re: #12 BeachDem

This photo of the big meeting today pretty much says it all. The assholes are glad-handing each other as the yam plops in his seat, trying to remember where the fuck he even is. Sigh.

[Embedded content]

I’m never going to get used to him as president ever.

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No Depression  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:32:55pm

re: #4 freetoken

So far, not one Trumper on my Facebook has posted anything about all these revelations.

All I see are whinings about how fake MSM is.

I’m not so sure that Trumpers even fully believe that fake news shit. Deep down, I think they know that the Trump administration has gone to shit, but they can’t actually admit it because to do so would mean looking weak. So they flail about with this obvious bullshit in a pathetic attempt to take the heat off their president. It ain’t gonna work.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:33:20pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

I still experience cognitive dissonance when I “remember” that this asshole was elected President.

Whenever I hear “the White House” referred to as the source of something (as in “The White House responded to reports…”) I still think of Obama.

It just makes no goddamn sense.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:35:27pm

re: #15 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I still experience cognitive dissonance when I “remember” that this asshole was elected President.

Whenever I hear “the White House” referred to as the source of something (as in “The White House responded to reports…”) I still think of Obama.

It just makes no goddamn sense.

It still hurts. It’s inspired me to work in elections but man it hurts.

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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:35:54pm

re: #2 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

I’m from fucking Florida apparently.

[grumble]

LOL. My wife is taking that quiz now. She grew up in the Ozarks, then Chicago, went to college in Florida, then moved to Colorado for work. She was living in Oklahoma when we met.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:37:02pm

Thing that pisses me off is the nerve of Trump and his family and aides to complain about the criticism. Your guy literally questioned Barack Obama’s Americanness. I have conservative friends and family but politically speaking they can kiss my left wing ass.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:37:21pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:38:57pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:39:00pm

re: #14 No Depression

I’m not so sure that Trumpers even fully believe that fake news shit. Deep down, I think they know that the Trump administration has gone to shit, but they can’t actually admit it because to do so would mean looking weak. So they flail about with this obvious bullshit in a pathetic attempt to take the heat off their president. It ain’t gonna work.

Though that’s possible, I think you underestimate the extent to which they live in an alternative reality. I just went off on my Wingnut Cousin, who said of Muslims condemning terror attacks, “And ever so rarely has any Muslim condemned these actions.”

Of course that’s complete bullshit, which can be disproved with a few seconds of effort. But he wants to believe Muslims are all bad, so it simply doesn’t get through.

I’ve had online discussions with wingnuts about economics, real simple stuff like what happened to tax revenues after every tax cut. Usually when they see the graph showing it taking 5-7 years to reach the same level of revenue, they stop responding.

But then a couple weeks later, the same people will claim ‘tax cuts always increase tax revenues.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:39:23pm

re: #19 goddamnedfrank

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Heh I forget but I believe Donald was portrayed as an alien in the first movie when K shows J the aliens around us.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:40:45pm

re: #20 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Maybe if he read a book other than Atlas Shrugged, he’d know, and yeah I’m going after him for this, my boss holds me to higher standards than Ryan holds himself.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:41:19pm

re: #17 Anymouse

LOL. My wife is taking that quiz now. She grew up in the Ozarks, then Chicago, went to college in Florida, then moved to Colorado for work. She was living in Oklahoma when we met.

The spoiling factor on locating my US dialect is Oxfordshire, England. And maybe a bit of Hinglish.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:41:30pm

re: #21 Blind Frog Belly White

Though that’s possible, I think you underestimate the extent to which they live in an alternative reality. I just went off on my Wingnut Cousin, who said of Muslims condemning terror attacks, “And ever so rarely has any Muslim condemned these actions.”

Of course that’s complete bullshit, which can be disproved with a few seconds of effort. But he wants to believe Muslims are all bad, so it simply doesn’t get through.

I’ve had online discussions with wingnuts about economics, real simple stuff like what happened to tax revenues after every tax cut. Usually when they see the graph showing it taking 5-7 years to reach the same level of revenue, they stop responding.

But then a couple weeks later, the same people will claim ‘tax cuts always increase tax revenues.”

I see the same crap with my wingnut friend.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:41:33pm

Made a mai tai (for me) and a hurricane (for mr. klys) tonight.

Mmmmmm.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:41:43pm

re: #19 goddamnedfrank

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“Eric, yer skin is hangin’ on yer bones!”

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teleskiguy  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:42:10pm

re: #19 goddamnedfrank

Giphy

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TedStriker  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:42:52pm

re: #20 klys (maker of Silmarils)

[Embedded content]

It’s been, what, two or three weeks since Erdogan’s thugs attacked Americans protesting him on American soil and Ryan and the House GOP braintrust just now came out with this statement?

Hey, Paul, Ankara is the capital of Turkey, not Istanbul, you moron…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:43:09pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

Heh I forget but I believe Donald was portrayed as an alien in the first movie when K shows J the aliens around us.

If we’re gonna have an alien President, I want Lynda Carter’s character from Supergirl, goddamit!

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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:43:14pm

re: #18 HappyWarrior

Thing that pisses me off is the nerve of Trump and his family and aides to complain about the criticism. Your guy literally questioned Barack Obama’s Americanness. I have conservative friends and family but politically speaking they can kiss my left wing ass.

That quote of Eric Trump saying “Democrats aren’t people” is disconcerting. That’s straight out of the Nazi Playbook.

My wife’s map came in: Darkest area on the map is southern Illinois, SW Colorado, and Phoenix/Mesa/Tempe Arizona. (She never lived in Arizona.)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:44:00pm

re: #29 TedStriker

It’s been, what, two or three weeks since Erdogan’s thugs attacked Americans protesting him on American soil and Ryan and the House GOP braintrust just now came out with this statement?

Hey, Paul, Ankara is the capital of Turkey, not Istanbul, you moron…

Heh, heh - Paul Ankara

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:44:18pm

re: #31 Anymouse

That quote of Eric Trump saying “Democrats aren’t people” is disconcerting. That’s straight out of the Nazi Playbook.

My wife’s map came in: Darkest area on the map is southern Illinois, SW Colorado, and Phoenix/Mesa/Tempe Arizona. (She never lived in Arizona.)

Dehumanizing has been part of the RW playbook for years now.

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freetoken  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:45:27pm

You still have too many brain cells for this era. We must address that issue:

Flat Earth | Curved Water Found- DEBUNKED

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Stephen T.  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:45:37pm

re: #1 A wild WITHAK appeared!

According to the dialect map, I’m either from Minneapolis or Buffalo.

nyti.ms

I’m not from any particular area, apparently. The quiz can’t seem to find one area that my dialect matches. Of course, every where I’ve ever lived in the U.S., including Northern New England, where I grew up, the Coastal South and the Pacific North West, have all said that I talk funny.

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makeitstop  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:45:42pm

re: #29 TedStriker

It’s been, what, two or three weeks since Erdogan’s thugs attacked Americans protesting him on American soil and Ryan and the House GOP braintrust just now came out with this statement?

Hey, Paul, Ankara is the capital of Turkey, not Istanbul, you moron…

He is obviously appealing to the citizens of Istanbul to set an example for their fellow Turks.

//////////

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:46:00pm

re: #31 Anymouse

That quote of Eric Trump saying “Democrats aren’t people” is disconcerting. That’s straight out of the Nazi Playbook.

Diese Demokraten sind nicht echte Leute!

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ObserverArt  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:47:09pm

re: #20 klys (maker of Silmarils)

[Embedded content]

Ankara, right?

Testing the brain…1…2…3

Edit…I see already mentioned. But, I did remember correctly.

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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:47:19pm

re: #35 Stephen T.

I’m not from any particular area, apparently. The quiz can’t seem to find one area that my dialect matches. Of course, every where I’ve ever lived in the U.S., including Northern New England, where I grew up, the Coastal South and the Pacific North West, have all said that I talk funny.

Everywhere I ever lived people say I talk like a Canadian. In Canada, they just say I talk funny.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:47:39pm

re: #36 makeitstop

He is obviously appealing to the citizens of Istanbul to set an example for their fellow Turks.

//////////

Istanbul, you say?

YouTube

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TedStriker  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:48:06pm
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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:49:11pm

re: #37 Blind Frog Belly White

Diese Demokraten sind nicht echte Leute!

It sounds better in the original German. /s

The scary part is all the objections to Democrats (and liberals in general) I’ve heard all my life have been pounded into a couple generations of people now.

Rulers like Hitler and Mussolini did not arise out of a vacuum.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:49:17pm

re: #29 TedStriker

It’s been, what, two or three weeks since Erdogan’s thugs attacked Americans protesting him on American soil and Ryan and the House GOP braintrust just now came out with this statement?

Hey, Paul, Ankara is the capital of Turkey, not Istanbul, you moron…

Maybe Istanbul is where they recruit their thugs.

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No Depression  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:49:33pm

re: #41 TedStriker

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Only took them 3 fucking weeks.

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makeitstop  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:49:52pm

re: #40 Blind Frog Belly White

Istanbul, you say?

[Embedded content]

Video

Why did Constantinople get the works, anyway?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:50:25pm

re: #42 Anymouse

It sounds better in the original German. /s

The scary part is all the objections to Democrats (and liberals in general) I’ve heard all my life have been pounded into a couple generations of people now.

Rulers like Hitler and Mussolini did not arise out of a vacuum.

You convince enough people through years of hate propaganda and it’s amazing what they’ll do.

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darthstar  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:50:32pm

Trump’s admin is running like a well oiled machine.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:50:51pm

So, I hear Spicey says we should take Trump’s Tweets as Official Presidential Announcements…

YouTube

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darthstar  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:51:14pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:51:26pm

re: #45 makeitstop

Why did Constantinople get the works, anyway?

That’s nobody’s business but the Turks.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:52:02pm

I mean goddamnit I curse Trump supporters but I don’t wish death or harm. I just wish they’d be more smart and conscientious towards their fellow man and see Trump for the conman he’s always been.

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TedStriker  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:52:15pm

re: #32 Blind Frog Belly White

Heh, heh - Paul Ankara

Oh, shit….LOL!

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Joe Bacon  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:52:21pm

re: #4 freetoken

So far, not one Trumper on my Facebook has posted anything about all these revelations.

All I see are whinings about how fake MSM is.

One Bernie backer posted a positive clip of Maxine Waters taking on Super Chicken Mikey.

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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:53:05pm

re: #41 TedStriker

Not knowing about foreign cities seems to be a libertarian thing (see also Gary “What’s Aleppo” Johnson).

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retired cynic  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:53:10pm

re: #20 klys (maker of Silmarils)

“istanbul isn’t the capital of turkey, fyi”

Well, it was 150 years ago!

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jaunte  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:53:15pm

re: #45 makeitstop

Why did Constantinople get the works, anyway?

Renamed in 1930!

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:53:29pm

re: #21 Blind Frog Belly White

Because I’ve traveled, I get “asked” about foreign policy by the wingnuts I know.

Half the time what I say simply doesn’t register, because what they’re really waiting for is the chance to shout or sneer whatever slogan they’ve picked up.

The other half of the time they let me explain something in great detail…at which point they get really quiet because they don’t have any details of their own…but it doesn’t stick. Once they go back into an environment that rewards repetition of thought-destroying cliches, all the information just becomes moot.

This always stuns with w/r/t Middle East stuff, because people have opinions with such anger and heat behind them…and no fucking information. Not too long ago I had a nice, but somewhat gullible, dude tell me that Iran already and nukes, and that the Iran negotiations were “bad” because Obama (bonus ignorance points for not knowing about the other nations involved in the talks) was going to let them keep them.

Depressingly, the same guy keeps coming back to me with bewilderment over Trump’s support of legislation that fucks him over, like the AHCA. And I keep saying “why did you believe this man, and not ask any questions about his background? Because a slight dip into his business history suggests that he succeeds only by fucking over his investors.” I’m beginning to lose my patience.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:55:23pm

re: #14 No Depression

I’m not so sure that Trumpers even fully believe that fake news shit. Deep down, I think they know that the Trump administration has gone to shit, but they can’t actually admit it because to do so would mean looking weak. So they flail about with this obvious bullshit in a pathetic attempt to take the heat off their president. It ain’t gonna work.

Oh they swallow that “fake news” shtick hook line and sinker. Trumpettes hate DC so much they want to see Trump burn the whole city down because nothing gives those bigots more pleasure than smacking down colored people.

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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:55:54pm

I think Mr. Wright is asking too much.

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jaunte  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:56:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:57:19pm

re: #55 retired cynic

“istanbul isn’t the capital of turkey, fyi”

Well, it was 150 years ago!

Well given Republicans argue their party can’t be racist because of 150 years ago and st the same time blame modern liberalism for the CSA..,

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teleskiguy  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:57:25pm
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TedStriker  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:57:52pm

re: #44 No Depression

Only took them 3 fucking weeks.

No shit…it’s not like Trump and Tillerson have done or are going to do anything substantive about Erdogan’s thugs, so all Ryan and the House GOP braintrust are doing right now with that statement is basically jack shit.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:58:30pm

re: #60 jaunte

[Embedded content]

When you know Dad is going to hand the business to your sister because you’re not capable of tying your own shoes.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:59:03pm

re: #11 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I’m not listening to old Radiohead B-sides in a fit of nostalgia. You’re listening to Radiohead B-sides.

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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:59:35pm

re: #63 TedStriker

No shit…it’s not like Trump and Tillerson have done or are going to do anything substantive about Erdogan’s thugs, so all Ryan and the House GOP braintrust are doing right now with that statement is basically jack shit.

Or they are trying to convince liberals that the GOP cares about things like the I Amendment.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:59:36pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 6, 2017 • 8:59:43pm

re: #57 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Because I’ve traveled, I get “asked” about foreign policy by the wingnuts I know.

Half the time what I say simply doesn’t register, because what they’re really waiting for is the chance to shout or sneer whatever slogan they’ve picked up.

The other half of the time they let me explain something in great detail…at which point they get really quiet because they don’t have any details of their own…but it doesn’t stick. Once they go back into an environment that rewards repetition of thought-destroying cliches, all the information just becomes moot.

This always stuns with w/r/t Middle East stuff, because people have opinions with such anger and heat behind them…and no fucking information. Not too long ago I had a nice, but somewhat gullible, dude tell me that Iran already and nukes, and that the Iran negotiations were “bad” because Obama (bonus ignorance points for not knowing about the other nations involved in the talks) was going to let them keep them.

Depressingly, the same guy keeps coming back to me with bewilderment over Trump’s support of legislation that fucks him over, like the AHCA. And I keep saying “why did you believe this man, and not ask any questions about his background? Because a slight dip into his business history suggests that he succeeds only by fucking over his investors.” I’m beginning to lose my patience.

Oh, of course. My wingnut cousin lives in West Virginia, one of the, if not THE whitest states in the Union. But he knows all about Muslims, and black people, and Hispanic immigrants. His beliefs are never challenged by interacting with reality.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:01:02pm

If I had a dine for every conservative I know who fancies themselves an Islam expert but mistakes Sikhs and Hindus for Muslims.

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TedStriker  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:01:21pm
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:01:27pm
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retired cynic  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:02:30pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

If I had a dine for every conservative I know who fancies themselves an Islam expert but mistakes Sikhs and Hindus for Muslims.

A dine is better than a dime!

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:02:45pm

re: #57 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

One of the reasons I think about this quote so much is that so often I’m solicited for information, only to be dismissed before I’ve even completed a thought.

“Dialogue” doesn’t really exist, because they’ve decided they’re right by default, and “arguments” don’t have any weight, since they measure the value of information by its source and how it makes them feel.

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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:03:01pm

re: #68 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, of course. My wingnut cousin lives in West Virginia, one of the, if not THE whitest states in the Union. But he knows all about Muslims, and black people, and Hispanic immigrants. His beliefs are never challenged by interacting with reality.

We got that here when we went to Poland. We got back the day before the annual town party. At that party, nearly everyone said they would have been afraid to travel to such a place, because it might be overrun by ISIS. (I’m pretty sure Poland is not on ISIS’s radar.)

Even heard about the dangers of foreign countries from a few people here when we took trips to Canada. (The only thing dangerous I ever saw in Canada was the huge selection of doughnuts at Tim Horton’s, and innumerable varieties of poutine.)

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Mike Lamb  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:03:17pm

re: #1 A wild WITHAK appeared!

According to the dialect map, I’m either from Minneapolis or Buffalo.

nyti.ms

Phoenix metro for me, which is where I’m from so I’ve got that going for me.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:03:33pm

re: #72 retired cynic

A dine is better than a dime!

I need sleep, good reminder!

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No Depression  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:04:33pm

re: #62 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

Republicans are a bunch of

Spongebob Dolphin Censor

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retired cynic  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:04:53pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

I need sleep, good reminder!

I thought you were serious! / I’d prefer to eat out!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:05:50pm

re: #78 retired cynic

I thought you were serious! / I’d prefer to eat out!

I would too. I need some Thai food.

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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:06:24pm

re: #73 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

[Embedded content]

One of the reasons I think about this quote so much is that so often I’m solicited for information, only to be dismissed before I’ve even completed a thought.

“Dialogue” doesn’t really exist, because they’ve decided they’re right by default, and “arguments” don’t have any weight, since they measure the value of information by its source and how it makes them feel.

You’ll hear that last phrase in that quote “the time for argument has past” (see also: We’ll have to agree to disagree) in a lot more than anti-Semitism. On virtually any subject where the person has an emotional vested interest (climate change, religion, &c) rather than a reasoned one, I can’t remember the number of times I’ve heard “We’ll have to agree to disagree.” No.

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jaunte  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:08:48pm

Listen to this ludicrous yutz.

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retired cynic  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:08:48pm

re: #80 Anymouse

I don’t know how to answer “agree to disagree” without continuing an argument, and I’m just not good at that. I want to get out of the pool.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:09:53pm

re: #81 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Listen to this ludicrous yutz.

Saw that a while ago, he’s as delusional as his father.

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jaunte  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:10:25pm

“Morals have flown out of the window… the head of the DNC, a total whackjob…. they come after our family…”

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:10:33pm

re: #68 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, of course. My wingnut cousin lives in West Virginia, one of the, if not THE whitest states in the Union. But he knows all about Muslims, and black people, and Hispanic immigrants. His beliefs are never challenged by interacting with reality.

Yep. I experience this often.

The one that will eventually make me lose my temper is that they don’t know anything about US-Saudi collaboration in fighting “communism” (and Islamic pluralism, ME secularism, ME pluralism, etc) and thus just think that the entire Islamic world was just always how it currently is. They also don’t know shit about Pakistan-US ties, which get especially infuriating since that had direct consequences for my family.

Then again, I get sick of liberals who think the Soviet Afghan War muhajadeen are synonymous with the Taliban, or the ones who don’t know about Soviet use of proxy warfare (or, for that matter, the internal state violence that heavily leaned on non-Slavs, or about stuff like the annexation of the Baltic states.)

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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:10:36pm

Rep. Ryan still has his statement up on Twitter without correction.

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No Depression  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:14:09pm

re: #81 jaunte

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Listen to this ludicrous yutz.

That’s ironic coming from someone who’s barely a human being himself.

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jaunte  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:14:26pm
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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:15:27pm
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garzooma  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:18:04pm

re: #20 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Paul Ryan ✔ @SpeakerRyan
BREAKING NEWS → The House just voted to condemn violence against protestors outside Turkish ambassador’s residence. spkrryan.us

Now when are they going to do something about Flynn and Turkey plotting a kidnapping on American soil.

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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:19:16pm

re: #90 garzooma

Now when are they going to do something about Flynn and Turkey plotting a kidnapping on American soil.

Next week after never? (On the other hand, the FBI could be looking into that. We wouldn’t know unless they announced an arrest.)

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wheat-dogg  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:19:22pm

re: #34 freetoken

You still have too many brain cells for this era. We must address that issue:

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Those images of high tension towers in the water are not even photos. They’re computer graphics. So these flat-earthers are trying to prove a non-photo disproves the curvature of the Earth by arguing the Earth is flat. Do I have that right?

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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:21:55pm
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No Depression  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:24:55pm

BOOM ROASTED

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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:25:08pm

houstonchronicle.com

More at the Houston Chronicle:

Harris County took the fight over its controversial bail system to the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday, even as county officials scrambled to plan the imminent release of dozens of misdemeanor defendants held behind bars who cannot afford to post cash bail.

A federal appeals court ruling earlier Tuesday had greenlighted the release of hundreds of poor inmates held in the Harris County Jail on misdemeanor charges ahead of their trials, and Sheriff Ed Gonzalez prepared for the release of as many as 177 people starting Wednesday morning.

But in an emergency filing late Tuesday with the nation’s highest court, Harris County asked for another halt to the ruling by Chief U.S. District Judge Lee H. Rosenthal.

The county’s request went to Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, who handles appeals requests from the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Thomas can either rule on the matter himself or take it to the full court, according to the county attorney’s office.

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Belafon  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:26:06pm

re: #14 No Depression

I’m not so sure that Trumpers even fully believe that fake news shit. Deep down, I think they know that the Trump administration has gone to shit, but they can’t actually admit it because to do so would mean looking weak. So they flail about with this obvious bullshit in a pathetic attempt to take the heat off their president. It ain’t gonna work.

It would also mean the collapse of a huge amount of the infrastructure their political belief system is based on. And I continue to say that the hardest thing for people to do is admit they are wrong.

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petesh  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:26:37pm

re: #65 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I’m not listening to old Radiohead B-sides in a fit of nostalgia. You’re listening to Radiohead B-sides.

Hah! I’ve been listening to Beatles outtakes. And Dead.
And that’s my lawn you’re standing on. //

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Kragar  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:28:47pm
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Kragar  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:29:31pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:30:25pm

re: #98 Kragar

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But according to Brownback, the state economy would totally soar if “D.C.” would cuts taxes and regulations.

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BigPapa  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:31:09pm

re: #84 jaunte

“Morals have flown out of the window… the head of the DNC, a total whackjob…. they come after our family…”

Sounds like Alex Limbaugh Savage.

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Belafon  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:32:05pm

re: #59 Anymouse

I think Mr. Wright is asking too much.

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We all know it’s Constantinople. //

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:32:21pm
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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:34:06pm

re: #96 Belafon

It would also mean the collapse of a huge amount of the infrastructure their political belief system is based on. And I continue to say that the hardest thing for people to do is admit they are wrong.

It’s a problem I encounter when a Bible-thumper comes after me on-line.

The problem is the person confuses “what they believe” with “who they are.”

As an example, climate science. Just like a religion, conservative voters have been inculcated with the idea that anthropogenic climate change is not occurring. They so fully believe that, it has become what they are.

As evidence continues to mount that climate change is occurring, and humans are responsible for it, they have to retreat further and further into their religion. To admit they were wrong about that is to admit who they are is wrong.

Similarly immigration issues. They have been told, just like a religion, that immigrants are the cause of their job woes. It doesn’t matter that is not so, that the “free market” they worship is. Such people will continue to ignore things as multinational companies can move wherever they want, but largely people cannot.

So they continue clinging to the religious belief that immigrants are stealing jobs (and lately, a giant wall will fix that, see also John McCain’s “build the dang fence” remark). To give up that notion is not only admitting you are wrong, but giving up a portion of what you are.

Mike Pence describes himself as a Christian first, a conservative second, and a Republican third. He did not describe himself as an American. All three of those are religious positions. To give them up or change them is to give up what he is.

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Belafon  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:34:15pm

re: #73 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

I like the first sentence in the passage you show, about hate being a faith.

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TedStriker  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:34:34pm

re: #99 Kragar

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CCJ and The Daily Stormer…a match made in Hell.

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JordanRules  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:36:16pm

re: #94 No Depression

Ossoff is gooood!!!

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Teukka  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:36:42pm

re: #104 Anymouse

And climate change and immigration issues is but two of a list of things where they have to re-evaluate their stance.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:40:38pm

re: #105 Belafon

I really like Sartre’s observations, and find them applicable far beyond his focus on antisemitism.

re: #104 Anymouse

Ever encountered Erich Fromm?

His concepts of collective narcissism and the merger of the ego with a concept apply well to a bunch of stuff going on in politics in the last forty years or so.

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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:41:14pm
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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:42:41pm

re: #109 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

I really like Sartre’s observations, and find them applicable far beyond his focus on antisemitism.

Ever encountered Erich Fromm?

His concepts of collective narcissism and the merger of the ego with a concept apply well to a bunch of stuff going on in politics in the last forty years or so.

I’ve heard of him, but I don’t know anything about him. Thanks for the link, off to Wikipedia to read about him.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:43:26pm

re: #111 Anymouse

I’m not an expert on him or anything, but he comes up occasionally in other stuff I read.

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ozharas  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:44:58pm

James Clapper gave a speech today to the Canberra Press Club

.huffingtonpost.com.au

“Clapper claimed that when he called Trump to talk about intelligence, the president asked him to disavow the controversial intelligence dossier that claimed Russia had compromising material on Trump.

“I tried, naively as it turned out, to appeal to his higher instincts by pointing out that the US intelligence community that he was about to inherit is a national treasure in our country and that the people in it were committed to supporting him and making him successful. Ever-transactional, he simply asked me to publicly refute the infamous dossier which I couldn’t and wouldn’t do,” Clapper said.

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JordanRules  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:46:01pm
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:47:05pm

And, now for a tasty intermission and comparison between proper blue crabs and the crab from the wrong coast, the dungeness. I’m in San Fransisco for a probiotic conference (Probiota 2017) and I was down exploring the various piers. Sea Lions!!! Alvarez!!! Dinner!!!

Dungenessgood. Blue crab sweeter and better. Dearth would need to feed me some fresh caught one that he raves about for me to consider a switch in allegiance from Chesapeake Bay crab to something else.

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Targetpractice  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:48:01pm

re: #114 JordanRules

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We already know Handel’s full of shit, because Republicans are always cool with raising taxes…if you’re not rich.

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Anymouse  Jun 6, 2017 • 9:55:47pm

re: #116 Targetpractice

We already know Handel’s full of shit, because Republicans are always cool with raising taxes…if you’re not rich.

But that “no new taxes” is a good bumper sticker catch phrase. “She’s right I pay too much in taxes already! She understands me!”

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teleskiguy  Jun 6, 2017 • 10:07:11pm

re: #97 petesh

Hah! I’ve been listening to Beatles outtakes. And Dead.
And that’s my lawn you’re standing on. //

Radiohead - Meeting in the Aisle - Miami 2012 First Time Played Live

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JordanRules  Jun 6, 2017 • 10:07:26pm
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Teukka  Jun 6, 2017 • 11:46:27pm

re: #109 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

I really like Sartre’s observations, and find them applicable far beyond his focus on antisemitism.

Ever encountered Erich Fromm?

His concepts of collective narcissism and the merger of the ego with a concept apply well to a bunch of stuff going on in politics in the last forty years or so.

I’ve encountered Erich Fromm, especially his concepts of group narcissism and moral hypocondria. Both makes so much sense when it comes to explaining people’s behavior IMO.


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