And Now, Steven Wilson’s Dark, Unsettling New Song Featuring Swiss Singer Sophie Hunger: “Song of I”

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Taken from my forthcoming album ‘To The Bone’, ‘Song of I’ represents a darker and more electronic side of the album, and is a duet with Swiss singer Sophie Hunger. The video stars performance artist Maya Petrovna and was directed by Lasse Hoile.

Music video by Steven Wilson performing Song Of I. (C) 2017 Steven Wilson Productions Ltd., under exclusive license to Caroline International

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jaunte  Jun 10, 2017 • 5:47:41pm
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Whew, that was a close one.

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teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2017 • 5:51:35pm
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I’m sure Saint Bernard didn’t really think this through. An American politician hitching his wagon to Jeremy Corbyn is deeply stupid, especially in our toxic environment.

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SteelPH  Jun 10, 2017 • 5:55:46pm

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I’m sure Saint Bernard didn’t really think this through. An American politician hitching his wagon to Jeremy Corbyn is deeply stupid, especially in our toxic environment.

In the world of Bernie, the only thing that matters is his own ego.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:00:07pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:03:12pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:04:51pm
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De Kolta Chair  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:09:51pm

SPOILER ALERT: Only 35 days, 23 hours and 50 minutes until every damn one of my LGF comments for the proceeding seven weeks has a Game of Thrones reference.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:11:38pm
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Ming5000  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:12:23pm

I wondered what the christian version of sharia law was. There are various opinions. This is one. [Newt Should Check out Mike Pence’s Christian Sharia]

Sharia for Muslims is the equivalent of Canon Law for Catholics, Halakhah for Jews, and I guess the entire Bible for some fundamentalists…

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BeachDem  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:15:59pm

re: #3 SteelPH

In the world of Bernie, the only thing that matters is his own ego.

Sanders said. “Where my energy is right now is in fundamentally transforming the Democratic Party into a grass-roots progressive party. And we’ll see where it goes.”

Well that just makes me want to hurl. If the Democratic Party had wanted to be fundamentally transformed to your “vision,” you fucking would have won the primary, Bernie. But you didn’t.

(And I will offer anecdotally, the person who ran for our state party chair as a “grass-roots activist” got her clock cleaned. So either Dems aren’t buying his shit, or his “activists” aren’t showing up when it matters.)

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Jay C  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:16:28pm

re: #2 teleskiguy

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Well, maybe: I wonder how many Americans even know WTH Jeremy Corbyn even is? Since we seem to have a dismally low recognition factor for all but the most in-our-faces-everyday politicians in our own country, I’m guessing “fairly few”.

But yeah: it’s only natural: American Stereotypical Old Leftist Guy admires British Stereotypical Old Leftist Guy: and probably with a tinge of envy that there are so many more of the latter than the former in politics….

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jaunte  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:19:52pm

re: #7 De Kolta Chair

Will you be changing your sigil?

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:22:36pm

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Absolutely. Imagine the scandal if the memos had been exposed only AFTER Kerry had won because of them.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:25:13pm

Well, submitted an update to the Play store so we’ll see if the changes I made actually fixed the problem (that I couldn’t figure out how to reproduce) or no.

Had to figure out the new UI for submitting stuff too. And there’s a pile of other crashes that I should be dealing with but honestly I sort of want to tear it down and rewrite the damn thing from scratch because it’s clunky as hell and if I updated it for the more current OSes it could be a lot nicer.

But nobody pays me for it so all my time goes to writing books instead, which people do eventually pay me for.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:27:16pm

re: #6 teleskiguy

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:32:18pm

I was so hoping that Shakira Law would take over tonight. (Hey, I’m old but not dead.)

Shakira - Belly Dance, Ojos Asi (Antwerp, Sportpaleis - The Sun Comes Out Tour - Front Row HD)

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teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:38:09pm

re: #15 Shiplord Kirel

RWNJ media were positively drooling at the prospect of Bernie winning the nomination. They would have had him passing ammunition to Che Guevara during mass executions and personally launching SAMs at our B-52s within 24 hours.

Exactly. Because we all know that RWNJs are careful with facts and are fair in their arguments and rhetoric, right? Some RWNJ punditoid is writing a thinkpiece right now about how Bernie Sanders congratulated Jeremy Corbyn, an IRA/Hamas supporter and avowed Soros agent of chaos.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:38:32pm

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Absolutely. Imagine the scandal if the memos had been exposed only AFTER Kerry had won because of them.

I’ve always said that this wasn’t a political issue for me at all. It was a very simple issue of fact. The memos were fakes. Let the political chips fall where they may, but fakes is fakes.

Reality still mattered at that point. Now, in the Trump era, I’m not so sure.

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Belafon  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:42:29pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

I’ve always said that this wasn’t a political issue for me at all. It was a very simple issue of fact. The memos were fakes. Let the political chips fall where they may, but fakes is fakes.

Reality still mattered at that point. Now, in the Trump era, I’m not so sure.

Hanging onto facts is what we have to do. Asserting facts at all times is ehat we have to do. Just like what had to be done during McCarthy and Nixon.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:42:38pm

In “Trump’s disinterest in Russia’s attacks” you could replace Trump with Rupert Murdoch’s flagship American network. Or, come to think of it, GOP.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:44:32pm
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Dave In Austin  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:45:50pm

Me thinks someone needs to fuck the hell off…..

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Sirota’s an asshole as well but he’s just the messenger.

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Kragar  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:47:33pm
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BeachDem  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:49:04pm

re: #17 teleskiguy

Exactly. Because we all know that RWNJs are careful with facts and are fair in their arguments and rhetoric, right? Some RWNJ punditoid is writing a thinkpiece right now about how Bernie Sanders congratulated Jeremy Corbyn, an IRA/Hamas supporter and avowed Soros agent of chaos.

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So let’s take all the money out of politics and then we’ll win big on purity. Okay.

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teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:50:56pm

re: #24 BeachDem

Bernie knows as much about Montana politics as he does POC in the Democratic Party, which is precisely dick.

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BeachDem  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:51:41pm

re: #22 Dave In Austin

Me thinks someone needs to fuck the hell off…..

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Sirota’s an asshole as well but he’s just the messenger.

I’m sure Jerry will be delighted to hear what Bernie DEMANDS. (You’re not the boss of him, Bernie. Your choice for state chair couldn’t even in California—btw, has she conceded yet?)

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KingKenrod  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:52:29pm

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teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:53:04pm

re: #22 Dave In Austin

Didn’t some projection put the cost of universal health care in California as twice or three times the current state budget?

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Dave In Austin  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:53:45pm
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Belafon  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:56:26pm

re: #22 Dave In Austin

Me thinks someone needs to fuck the hell off…..

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Sirota’s an asshole as well but he’s just the messenger.

Seeing that makes me think of this: “Brown supported the bill only after I called on him to. -Bernie”

He really is reminding me of someone currently in office.

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Interesting Times  Jun 10, 2017 • 6:59:05pm

re: #28 teleskiguy

Didn’t some projection put the cost of universal health care in California as twice or three times the current state budget?

Single-payer healthcare could cost $400 billion to implement in California

The analysis found that the proposal would require:

- A total cost of $400 billion per year to cover all healthcare and administrative costs.
- Of that, $200 billion of existing federal, state and local funds could be repurposed to go toward the single-payer system.
- The additional $200 billion would need to be raised from new taxes.
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The write-up also notes that a universal healthcare proposal would likely reduce spending by employers and employees statewide, which currently ranges between $100 billion and $150 billion annually. Therefore, the total new spending under the bill would be between $50 billion and $100 billion each year.

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ObserverArt  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:00:02pm

I was on YouTube and did a search on Bill Maher and Ice Cube since I saw some comments about Friday night’s show related to his using the “N” word in his previous show.

Ice Cube did a nice job with his own explanation of who can use the word and why.

Thought some might like to see it.

Ice Cube and Symone Sanders on White Privilege | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)

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Kragar  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:00:20pm

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teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:01:59pm

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That means tax hikes. For everyone. The tax structure would have to be overhauled and wholly progressive, like, 50% or more for the ultra-wealthy. Good luck with that.

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retired cynic  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:03:10pm

re: #34 teleskiguy

That means tax hikes. For everyone. The tax structure would have to be overhauled and wholly progressive, like, 50% or more for the ultra-wealthy. Good luck with that.

They’d have to restrict immigration to the state from other states.

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ObserverArt  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:05:36pm

re: #22 Dave In Austin

Me thinks someone needs to fuck the hell off…..

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Sirota’s an asshole as well but he’s just the messenger.

Which also makes him an enabler.

There are a lot of enablers. They do keep Bernie in the media and political mix.

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teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:05:44pm

re: #35 retired cynic

They’d have to restrict immigration to the state from other states.

Yup. Like they do today in Canada.

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JordanRules  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:05:56pm

We know Bernie doesn’t know how to actually get shit done. See: Actual Legislative Record

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Interesting Times  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:05:59pm

Woah:

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Srsly, go click the link and read the rest of the poll results. Theresa May have royally screwed the pooch in a major way o_O

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:12:45pm

re: #34 teleskiguy

That means tax hikes. For everyone. The tax structure would have to be overhauled and wholly progressive, like, 50% or more for the ultra-wealthy. Good luck with that.

You know, amazingly enough, countries with smaller economies manage to provide larger populations with universal single-payer healthcare, somehow.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:13:15pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:13:40pm

re: #34 teleskiguy

That means tax hikes. For everyone. The tax structure would have to be overhauled and wholly progressive, like, 50% or more for the ultra-wealthy. Good luck with that.

And keep in mind, that would be on top of the existing federal taxes.

I mean, a lot of us in CA are grown-ups and willing to pay our share, but there are a LOT of questions I need to see answered before I’m throwing my hat into the ring on this. What kind of new taxes are being proposed? How do you ensure that employers are still paying their share of the burden and/or how do you ensure that employees are still receiving the same amount of compensation? (Because if you fuck it up and did this all as income tax on employees, that $100-$150 billion in not-new spending that they’re accounting for could end up also having to come out of the taxpayer’s pockets and most of them wouldn’t see an increase in compensation to help offset it because hey, benefits aren’t part of your income.) What mechanism exists to keep costs under control for people moving in from out of state (you know, how Canada or the UK likes to regulate immigration to keep out people who just want to move there to take advantage of their healthcare system)?

Some of these questions might be answered, I don’t know. I haven’t looked too closely at the bill yet. But a lot of the support I see voiced tends to come without any acknowledgement of these issues so I’m really wary right now.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:14:43pm

re: #40 Blind Frog Belly White

You know, amazingly enough, countries with smaller economies manage to provide larger populations with universal single-payer healthcare, somehow.

I think the key word there is countries, though. And I’m not joking.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:15:45pm

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“He lost! His loss was all his fault! He should just go away and shut up!” - imagine the chorus of scorched cats if we said THAT!

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Belafon  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:17:14pm

re: #40 Blind Frog Belly White

You know, amazingly enough, countries with smaller economies manage to provide larger populations with universal single-payer healthcare, somehow.

California is not a country. It’s a state, that is economically and politically connected to other states. When California tries to redo it’s health care, it will be affected by, and affect, every other state.

If we had the political will to redo our health care, we could change it. But, since we’re so invested in our current system, there would be a huge up front cost.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:19:09pm

re: #43 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I think the key word there is countries, though. And I’m not joking.

No, no - this is very true. The thing is that we’re already spending 85+% of that on healthcare, between Medicare, MediCal, individual market insurance, and employer provided insurance.

The other big issue is the transition from the current system to something less expensive and Rube Goldberg-y.

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Kragar  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:19:32pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

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Belafon  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:20:20pm

For all of you Steven Universe fans: Rebecca Sugar made rollingstone.com.

Also, my son showed me this:

Adventur Time - Bacon Pancakes vs. Empire State of Mind

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:22:36pm

re: #45 Belafon

California is not a country. It’s a state, that is economically and politically connected to other states. When California tries to redo it’s health care, it will be affected by, and affect, every other state.

If we had the political will to redo our health care, we could change it. But, since we’re so invested in our current system, there would be a huge up front cost.

It’s like a chemical reaction with a high activation energy. We’re at a pretty high energy state (expensive, inefficient), and the end point would be a lower energy state (cheaper, more efficient) but we’d have to input a lot of energy (money and turmoil) to go from one state to the other.

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Interesting Times  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:23:18pm

re: #39 Interesting Times

On a related note:

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And as someone else here (freetoken?) pointed out, the DUP are also crazy-fundy wackjobs who probably consider The Handmaid’s Tale a wonderfully inspiring how-to manual o_O

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:25:44pm

re: #46 Blind Frog Belly White

No, no - this is very true. The thing is that we’re already spending 85+% of that on healthcare, between Medicare, MediCal, individual market insurance, and employer provided insurance.

The other big issue is the transition from the current system to something less expensive and Rube Goldberg-y.

Sure. I’m just not sure an individual state is going to be able to pull it off, necessarily. I need to do some serious research on it, and I need to see projections from people who are being relatively conservative* in their assumption of the benefits, especially when compared to the potential for costs to increase drastically as people who don’t see any other choice move to CA in order to get healthcare. (And yes, I realize that picking up and moving is a substantial expense and that’s before we talk about CA real estate, but if you’re facing cancer treatment and can’t afford insurance where you live, what’s going to stop you?)

* In the data sense, not the political one.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:25:56pm

re: #45 Belafon

California is not a country. It’s a state, that is economically and politically connected to other states. When California tries to redo it’s health care, it will be affected by, and affect, every other state.

If we had the political will to redo our health care, we could change it. But, since we’re so invested in our current system, there would be a huge up front cost.

It’s quixotic and doomed to fail, but “I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part.”

“And we’re just the guys to do it!”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:28:02pm

re: #49 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s like a chemical reaction with a high activation energy. We’re at a pretty high energy state (expensive, inefficient), and the end point would be a lower energy state (cheaper, more efficient) but we’d have to input a lot of energy (money and turmoil) to go from one state to the other.

And I should say that I agree with the concept overall, it’s just …I’m not convinced it can be done on an individual state level right now with the current uncertainty around this issue. But I don’t know. I clearly need to do some looking at the bill in question and start understanding what’s on the table.

It would make it much more likely that we stay in CA, I suppose. Once he retires, I mean.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:28:09pm
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freetoken  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:28:54pm

re: #52 Blind Frog Belly White

I think without a national mandate for such a thing that a state alone will fail in trying to implement single payer. It’s just too easy for individuals and companies to cross a state line.

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carey94tt  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:31:22pm

I love almost everything that Steven WIlson has released and produced (except for some early stuff. I just found out last month that he produced Damnation by Opeth. God, what an amazing release.

I’m pumped! Thanks Charles!

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BeachDem  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:34:09pm

re: #52 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s quixotic and doomed to fail, but “I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part.”

“And we’re just the guys to do it!”

Hey—when Bernie DEMANDS you do something, you do it. Period. (said in my best Sean Spicer voice.)

After all, a bird once flew onto a podium or something…

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Broad With Sass  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:36:24pm

Why doesn’t Bernie make his own political party? I know this sounds stupid, but why try to remake the Dems if we suck so bad

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Cheechako  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:38:20pm

As far as providing state benefits (health insurance) to the whole state population Alaska has provided an example. When the Permanent Fund dividends were being given out the payout was based on a formula that the amount an individual received was based on total years of residency. The courts ruled this method was discriminatory to the citizens. The payout process was changed to require a full calendars residency (January 1st to December 31st) to become eligible for the dividend. You then applied in the spring of the next year to receive the dividend in October. This kept a lot of people from just moving up here for a short period just to collect the dividend checks.

And the State carefully check out any first time applicant for the dividend.

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freetoken  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:38:42pm

re: #57 BeachDem

Heh, at least Bernie didn’t hope we’d do something…

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Interesting Times  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:40:31pm

re: #52 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s quixotic and doomed to fail, but “I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part.”

“And we’re just the guys to do it!”

Did you know single-payer in Canada began in just one province?

Beating out Terry Fox, Pierre Trudeau, and Frederick Banting to be named the Greatest Canadian in a CBC poll is quite an accomplishment.

Tommy Douglas — who was at times labelled a “Red” and a “Communist” by his political opponents — won the honour largely for his belief that every Canadian deserved the right to have quality health care, regardless of their economic or social situation.

This conviction likely stemmed from his social gospel roots in Manitoba, and continued during his days as Premier of Saskatchewan and later as leader of the federal NDP.

“The Father of Medicare” saw his Medicare plan enacted in Saskatchewan in 1962 and later by the federal Pearson government in 1966. His social activism inspired many Canadians from coast to coast, including a conservative-minded history student from Nova Scotia.

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teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:41:01pm

re: #59 Cheechako

Welcome to Alaska!

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freetoken  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:42:20pm

re: #59 Cheechako

I suppose we could implement a procedure where if one had filed in-state taxes the previous year, the following year one is eligible for state funded health care.

But I still think this is unnecessarily cumbersome.

This is where I think the idea of the negative tax can be resurrected. Given our modern digital infrastructure, we could submit our medical bills along with our monthly/quarterly tax statements and when the health bills get above n% of the income then we start getting tax back, up to the amount to cover the bills.

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allegro  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:42:54pm

re: #46 Blind Frog Belly White

No, no - this is very true. The thing is that we’re already spending 85+% of that on healthcare, between Medicare, MediCal, individual market insurance, and employer provided insurance.

The other big issue is the transition from the current system to something less expensive and Rube Goldberg-y.

There’s a pretty good chunk of profit in there as well. How many billions of dollars do insurance companies drag in every year?

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Belafon  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:44:59pm

re: #61 Interesting Times

Did you know single-payer in Canada began in just one province?

If we had our 1962 health care infrastructure, it would be a lot easier.

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Cheechako  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:45:10pm

re: #62 teleskiguy

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As mentioned earlier, there’s a Simpson quote for all occasions. I’ve heard rumors that people have asked the Border Patrol for their $’s when entering Alaska. Probably got that from that cartoon.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:45:52pm

re: #65 Belafon

If we had our 1962 health care infrastructure, it would be a lot easier.

Also the per capita 1962 health care spending.

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freetoken  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:46:47pm

What we need to come to as a society is a reckoning on a very basic premise - are we going to share the wealth of our society with everyone in the society?

This doesn’t have to end in total income equality and property redistribution - the scare-scenario of COMMUNISM!! .

Rather, we can agree that the advancements of our society in the area of health-care can be made available to all on a scaled-pay basis.

That even that is scary to a big part of our country is puzzling, as we’ve already half-bought that idea with social security and the current budgeting of taxes to health care. Gov’t budgets already pay a non-trivial portion of all health care served in this country.

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Belafon  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:47:53pm

re: #67 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Also the per capita 1962 health care spending.

Yep:

obamacarefacts.com

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Cheechako  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:48:18pm

re: #63 freetoken

I suppose we could implement a procedure where if one had filed in-state taxes the previous year, the following year one is eligible for state funded health care.

But I still think this is unnecessarily cumbersome.

This is where I think the idea of the negative tax can be resurrected. Given our modern digital infrastructure, we could submit our medical bills along with our monthly/quarterly tax statements and when the health bills get above n% of the income then we start getting tax back, up to the amount to cover the bills.

No matter what system is devised, people will come to CA for the “free health care”.
(Notice I used the term “come to CA” rather than “move to CA”.)

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freetoken  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:50:00pm

re: #69 Belafon

But is that a bad thing?

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Belafon  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:53:16pm

Don’t get me wrong. If we can figure out a way to get a supermajority of the voters of this country to agree to universal health care, and vote on it, and prevent it from being repealed, it would be very beneficial, even with the short term pain. And I would support it. California just needs to make sure they take into account what will happen to their economy, and what the other 282M people in America are going to do, not just with their feet, but with their votes.

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Interesting Times  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:53:36pm

re: #68 freetoken

What we need to come to as a society is a reckoning on a very basic premise - are we going to share the wealth of our society with everyone in the society?
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That even that is scary to a big part of our country is puzzling, as we’ve already half-bought that idea with social security and the current budgeting of taxes to health care. Gov’t budgets already pay a non-trivial portion of all health care served in this country.

This Onion article from the previous millennium(!) remains sadly on-point:

79 Percent Of Americans Missing The Point Entirely

According to a Georgetown University study released Tuesday, 79 percent of Americans are missing the point entirely with regard to such wide-ranging topics as politics, consumerism, taxes, entertainment, fashion, and professional wrestling.
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Despite the preponderance of evidence supporting its findings, the Georgetown study has drawn widespread criticism from the American public.

“If I want to miss the point, that’s my own business,” said Ernie Schayr, a Wheeling, WV, auto mechanic. “If I want to complain about having to pay taxes while at the same time demanding extra police protection for my neighborhood, that’s my right as an American. Most people in other countries don’t ever get the chance to miss the point, and that’s tragic. The East Timorese are so busy fleeing for their lives, they never have the chance to go to the supermarket during the busiest time of the week and complain to the cashier about how long the lines are and ask them why they don’t do something about it.”

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Belafon  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:54:40pm

re: #71 freetoken

But is that a bad thing?

Just pointing out that it would be a lot easier to switch our health care if we were at 5% of GDP rather than 17%. 1/6th of our economy is huge.

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sagehen  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:55:50pm

re: #61 Interesting Times

Did you know single-payer in Canada began in just one province?

Tommy Douglas — who was at times labelled a “Red” and a “Communist” by his political opponents — won the honour largely for his belief that every Canadian deserved the right to have quality health care, regardless of their economic or social situation.

Supercool trivia — that’s Kiefer Sutherland’s grandfather.

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teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:55:59pm
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A lot of these assholes like the idea of Fuckface Von Clownstick in office. They think it’ll get so bad that the only course forward that voters will choose will be some socialist utopia farting unicorns and they all lived happily ever after. Fuck the Bros.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:57:10pm
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retired cynic  Jun 10, 2017 • 7:58:33pm

re: #74 Belafon

Just pointing out that it would be a lot easier to switch our health care if we were at 5% of GDP rather than 17%. 1/6th of our economy is huge.

I think, ultimately, it is going to take bringing the top CEO salaries down to earth from the stratosphere, and some decent tax rates on the super wealthy. We have shifted so far already in favor of the wealthy that it is going to be very hard to come back. Perhaps that needs to precede universal health care, or perhaps universal health care is a start to coming back. I’m not smart enough to know.

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Belafon  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:01:21pm

re: #78 retired cynic

I think, ultimately, it is going to take bringing the top CEO salaries down to earth from the stratosphere, and some decent tax rates on the super wealthy. We have shifted so far already in favor of the wealthy that it is going to be very hard to come back. Perhaps that needs to precede universal health care, or perhaps universal health care is a start to coming back. I’m not smart enough to know.

To tie this back into something brought up earlier, we need to start hearing from liberal church leaders - because Christianity has a major influence in this country - about how the worship of money is corrupting everything this country stands for. They need to be going after the prosperity gospel, and attacking the idea that a man’s status is measured by how much money he has.

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teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:01:48pm

re: #77 Stanley Sea

Yeah, that doesn’t look anything like something out of The Lord of The Rings. Not at all.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:02:32pm

oooh

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Belafon  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:02:48pm

Canada, by population, by the way, is smaller than California.

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sagehen  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:03:15pm

re: #77 Stanley Sea

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Speaking as a long-time sci-fi fan… a blood red moon is usually not a good thing.

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retired cynic  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:03:40pm

re: #79 Belafon

To tie this back into something brought up earlier, we need to start hearing from liberal church leaders - because Christianity has a major influence in this country - about how the worship of money is corrupting everything this country stands for. They need to be going after the prosperity gospel, and attacking the idea that a man’s status is measured by how much money he has.

Absolutely!!

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teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:05:24pm

This is like Rolling Stone making a list of the greatest guitar players, utter bollocks.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:06:17pm

re: #83 sagehen

Speaking as a long-time sci-fi fan… a blood red moon is usually not a good thing.

I’m waiting to check out our west coast version.

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Belafon  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:07:35pm

re: #85 teleskiguy

This is like Rolling Stone making a list of the greatest guitar players, utter bollocks.

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People should rank their favorite rankings.

And then, someone can do a ranking of those ranks that contain themselves, and those that don’t.

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teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:08:26pm

re: #87 Belafon

A little too meta for my tastes, and I do meta from time to time.

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teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:09:13pm

Joe Bonamassa has an awesome guitar collection.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:09:17pm

Oh Jr., dad’s gonna yell

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Interesting Times  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:10:38pm

re: #79 Belafon

To tie this back into something brought up earlier, we need to start hearing from liberal church leaders - because Christianity has a major influence in this country - about how the worship of money is corrupting everything this country stands for. They need to be going after the prosperity gospel, and attacking the idea that a man’s status is measured by how much money he has.

Usually when people think of the movie Wall Street, they remember Gordon Gekko’s infamous line “Greed is Good.” Too bad these ones from Martin Sheen’s character don’t get more play:

WALLSTREET

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Belafon  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:10:52pm

re: #88 teleskiguy

A little too meta for my tastes, and I do meta from time to time.

I was channeling Bertrand Russell for a minute.

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Wile E. Coyote's mom  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:18:03pm

OT: for all you cat lovers out there.

boredpanda.com

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William Lewis  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:22:28pm

re: #79 Belafon

Thing is, we do teach that in our congratulations. The problem is the same as with other faiths being told to stand against something is that the people who should hear that either leave or already attended churches that say what they want to hear. I’ve spent a lot of time arguing against that version of the Calvinist heresy (for lack of a better word) but the ones who want to believe it can find plenty of grifters happy to fleece them of coin and soul.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:26:01pm

re: #86 Stanley Sea

I’m waiting to check out our west coast version.

I wish my DSLR could stream to the web.

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teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:27:52pm
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retired cynic  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:28:21pm

re: #95 Unshaken Defiance

I wish my DSLR could stream to the web.

If it could, I wouldn’t have the band width to watch it!

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BeachDem  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:28:25pm

re: #74 Belafon

Just pointing out that it would be a lot easier to switch our health care if we were at 5% of GDP rather than 17%. 1/6th of our economy is huge.

One big part of our health care costs:

Total prescription sales in the United States in the 2015 calendar year were $419.4 billion, which was 11.7% higher than sales in 2014.

ajhp.org

And, no big surprise—direct to consumer drug advertising skyrocketed from 2012-2015

Ad spending soared more than 60 percent in the last four years, hitting $5.2 billion last year…

Increasingly, critics are expressing concern that expenditures on advertising drive up the price of drugs.

They’re frustrated, too, when patients insist on getting the brand-name medication they’ve seen on TV, though other drugs might be more effective or less expensive, or both. Prescription drugs accounted for nearly 17 percent of total health care spending in 2015, up from about 7 percent in the 1990s, due in large part to rising prices for brand-name treatments, new federal data show.

Such concerns have prompted the American Medical Association to call for a ban on direct-to-consumer advertising.

statnews.com

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retired cynic  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:29:45pm

re: #98 BeachDem

One big part of our health care costs: …
Such concerns have prompted the American Medical Association to call for a ban on direct-to-consumer advertising.

statnews.com

Boy, do I agree with this!

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retired cynic  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:30:47pm

I forgot to say what I wanted in #99, so refresh for my deathless prose.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:35:41pm

re: #97 retired cynic

If it could, I wouldn’t have the band width to watch it!

Might put up a shot later if it’s looking good over California after 9

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makeitstop  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:37:02pm

In other news, I’ve taught our male cat to sit for treats. I use the same hand signal I use for the dog.

I wonder if I can get him to bark…

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:38:46pm

re: #102 makeitstop

In other news, I’ve taught our male cat to sit for treats. I use the same hand signal I use for the dog.

I wonder if I can get him to bark…

I did get my tree to bark after some fertilizer…

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makeitstop  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:40:04pm

re: #103 Unshaken Defiance

I did get my tree to bark after some fertilizer…

But does it sit for treats?

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:43:04pm

re: #104 makeitstop

But does it sit for treats?

It threatens to leaf without them.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:43:29pm

Dinner tonight here is olive tapenade grilled cheese with tomatoes on olive bread, and a lemon garlic kale Caesar. I will have no problems with vampires tonight, but this would not be on the dinner menu if BeachDem ever comes to visit. ;)

(I’m sure I could figure out something to cook that doesn’t have garlic! Really! …or we could go out for dinner.)

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Joe Bacon  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:45:18pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

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Charles is absolutely right! If Sanders had been nominated, the GOP would have trashed him even more than the way they trashed McGovern in 1972.

They would have started by bringing up his support of the Socialist Workers Party in 1980.

Next they would have blasted the articles he wrote in the 70s about sex.

Then taking a page from the Stone playbook, Democrats for Trump (DFT) would have been set up with Joe LIEberman as the head and they would pummel Sanders over his proposed Defense cuts, they would go after his college proposal (Really? Everyone should have a right to college? Just imagine the DFT commercial showing a bunch of Venice Beach Punks while an announcer says “They would go to college and goof off for four years and stick you with the bill”).

Next we would have commercials from people in Canada claiming they wait years for surgery because the Single Payer System rations care.

Next they would have torn apart the Fight for $15.

Then they would have gone after Bernie for having multiple houses.

Next up—“Bernie won’t release his taxes”

Next up—“Bernie Lied about marching for Civil Rights”

Next—“Bernie and Jane Honeymooned in…GASP!…MOSCOW”

Next up—They would go after Jane Sanders bankrupting the college.

And then the nail in the coffin from Jill Stein as she would repeatedly bullshit about Bernie selling out.

And just imagine the attacks DFT would whip up if Bernie had Tulsi or Nina Turner as his running mates…

By the time the GOP and LIEberman finished with Sanders he would have been slaughtered even worse than McGovern and Mondale. Sanders would have wound up with only Vermont’s 3 electoral votes and DC’s 3. Republicans would have picked up Congressional and Senate seats.

We’d be in an even worse fix than we are now…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:45:42pm

Also, to go with it in honor of gin day, my new favorite at-home cocktail. Gin, lemon juice, passion fruit syrup, orgeat, and falernum.

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makeitstop  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:47:48pm

re: #105 Unshaken Defiance

It threatens to leaf without them.

You’ll need to get to the root of that problem.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:48:01pm

re: #40 Blind Frog Belly White

You know, amazingly enough, countries with smaller economies manage to provide larger populations with universal single-payer healthcare, somehow.

(waves from Canada)

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BeachDem  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:51:29pm

re: #106 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Dinner tonight here is olive tapenade grilled cheese with tomatoes on olive bread, and a lemon garlic kale Caesar. I will have no problems with vampires tonight, but this would not be on the dinner menu if BeachDem ever comes to visit. ;)

(I’m sure I could figure out something to cook that doesn’t have garlic! Really! …or we could go out for dinner.)

I know you’d feed me well, sans garlic (and no chickpeas…or chicken…or raw onions…or, oh hell, let’s just go out to dinner!)

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Joe Bacon  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:53:33pm

re: #110 Romantic Heretic

(waves from Canada)

We know that. But the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine has convinced Americans that Canadians wait forever in queues. And they also brought Canadians to the US who make that exact claim during the Obamacare debate. Especially one lady who claimed she had a brain tumor that the Canadian Doctors refused to operate on…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:54:13pm

re: #111 BeachDem

I know you’d feed me well, sans garlic (and no chickpeas…or chicken…or raw onions…or, oh hell, let’s just go out to dinner!)

I mean if I can manage for my mother-in-law’s dietary restrictions in theory I should be able to handle yours.

But I know all the fabulous restaurants around here.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:54:19pm

re: #58 Broad With Sass

Why doesn’t Bernie make his own political party? I know this sounds stupid, but why try to remake the Dems if we suck so bad

Because the Democratic party is worth taking over; money, connections, history.

A new party will have a lot less of that,

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retired cynic  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:55:40pm

re: #114 Romantic Heretic

Because the Democratic party is worth taking over; money, connections, history.

A new party will have a lot less of that,

Always. Follow. The. Money.

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freetoken  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:56:54pm

Our political system strongly enforces a two-party system.

This means 3rd parties almost always fail, and fail hard.

Which gives Bernie only two choices if he hopes to have any more significant impact in America.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:56:55pm

re: #2 teleskiguy

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I’m sure Saint Bernard didn’t really think this through. An American politician hitching his wagon to Jeremy Corbyn is deeply stupid, especially in our toxic environment.

Bernie glosses over the fact that Corbyn had a Secret Weapon during the close of the UK election campaign—Don Cornholio’s Tweets attacking the London Mayor. Those vicious racist Tweets galvanized the Labour Voters in the last week to come out in droves and boosted Corbyn.

If the election had been a week later, Corbyn would probably have won. Why? Well, President Cornholio would have kept Tweeting, that’s why!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:57:49pm

re: #112 Joe Bacon

We know that. But the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine has convinced Americans that Canadians wait forever in queues. And they also brought Canadians to the US who make that exact claim during the Obamacare debate. Especially one lady who claimed she had a brain tumor that the Canadian Doctors refused to operate on…

And if CA fucks up single payer, just think how much more the bullshit machine is going to do.

I firmly believe it’s worth doing. It’d be a huge boon to me personally, because writing doesn’t come with an employer providing health insurance and mr. klys is going to retire someday. But if we fuck it up, there are huge consequences and I wish I had a sense that people were more aware of that. A lot of the people I see being very rah rah about it are the same group that unequivocally embraced Bernie in the primary or fall into the leftist sphere. I don’t get a sense that there’s a lot of reality behind it.

I’m too pragmatic to let reality go.

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retired cynic  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:59:01pm

re: #118 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Look how long things stopped dead after the Rs stopped “Hillary-care.”

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BeachDem  Jun 10, 2017 • 8:59:30pm

re: #107 Joe Bacon

Charles is absolutely right! If Sanders had been nominated, the GOP would have trashed him even more than the way they trashed McGovern in 1972.

They would have started by bringing up his support of the Socialist Workers Party in 1980.

Next they would have blasted the articles he wrote in the 70s about sex.

Then taking a page from the Stone playbook, Democrats for Trump (DFT) would have been set up with Joe LIEberman as the head and they would pummel Sanders over his proposed Defense cuts, they would go after his college proposal (Really? Everyone should have a right to college? Just imagine the DFT commercial showing a bunch of Venice Beach Punks while an announcer says “They would go to college and goof off for four years and stick you with the bill”).

Next we would have commercials from people in Canada claiming they wait years for surgery because the Single Payer System rations care.

Next they would have torn apart the Fight for $15.

Then they would have gone after Bernie for having multiple houses.

Next up—“Bernie won’t release his taxes”

Next up—“Bernie Lied about marching for Civil Rights”

Next—“Bernie and Jane Honeymooned in…GASP!…MOSCOW”

Next up—They would go after Jane Sanders bankrupting the college.

And then the nail in the coffin from Jill Stein as she would repeatedly bullshit about Bernie selling out.

And just imagine the attacks DFT would whip up if Bernie had Tulsi or Nina Turner as his running mates…

By the time the GOP and LIEberman finished with Sanders he would have been slaughtered even worse than McGovern and Mondale. Sanders would have wound up with only Vermont’s 3 electoral votes and DC’s 3. Republicans would have picked up Congressional and Senate seats.

We’d be in an even worse fix than we are now…

Bingo—jeez—how many segments did Fox have on the surfer dude who was buying sushi on foodstamps? It was like a NATIONAL OUTRAGE.

They would have run crap on Bernie 24/7.

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MsJ  Jun 10, 2017 • 9:00:35pm

re: #39 Interesting Times

Woah:

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Srsly, go click the link and read the rest of the poll results. Theresa May have royally screwed the pooch in a major way o_O

Boris Johnson is the favored person top head conservative party? Good God.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 10, 2017 • 9:01:52pm

re: #119 retired cynic

Look how long things stopped dead after the Rs stopped “Hillary-care.”

I mean in CA of all places we have time to cross the ts and dot the is and yet they haven’t even clarified how the hell they’re paying for this because to put a new tax in writing would increase the vote threshold required to 2/3s.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 10, 2017 • 9:04:05pm

re: #69 Belafon

I believe that much of that cost is overhead, specifically insurance companies doing their best to make sure they don’t have to pay anybody anything.

In Canada we pay about 9% of our GDP on healthcare, for better results than in the US.

I’ve bookmarked a couple of webpages comparing US and Canadian healthcare whenthe ACA was being debated.

10 Myths About Canadian Health Care, Busted

Mythbusting Canadian Healthcare, Part II: Debunking the Free Marketeers

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Joe Bacon  Jun 10, 2017 • 9:04:05pm

re: #118 klys (maker of Silmarils)

And if CA fucks up single payer, just think how much more the bullshit machine is going to do.

I firmly believe it’s worth doing. It’d be a huge boon to me personally, because writing doesn’t come with an employer providing health insurance and mr. klys is going to retire someday. But if we fuck it up, there are huge consequences and I wish I had a sense that people were more aware of that. A lot of the people I see being very rah rah about it are the same group that unequivocally embraced Bernie in the primary or fall into the leftist sphere. I don’t get a sense that there’s a lot of reality behind it.

I’m too pragmatic to let reality go.

I’m in the same basket suffering from Type 2 and Rheumatoid Arthritis!

The California Senate passed the bill but left out the funding mechanism. Heck, I am willing to pay 2-3% more State Income Tax because that is lower than the 7.9% of my paycheck that currently goes to Kaiser and the 1.55% Federal Medicare Tax. They got to make the funding right and then smooth the transition.

Before Medicare was enacted in California, the State had “Western 65” health coverage for Senior Citizens. Then Governor Pat Brown and the State Legislature made sure that there was a smooth transition for Californians from Western 65 to Medicare.

Once again, Bernie doesn’t put his brain in gear before shooting his mouth off at Jerry Brown. Jerry knows how his Father busted his ass to make sure nobody was lost or left out during the Medicare/Medicaid transition.

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Teukka  Jun 10, 2017 • 9:04:39pm

re: #34 teleskiguy

That means tax hikes. For everyone. The tax structure would have to be overhauled and wholly progressive, like, 50% or more for the ultra-wealthy. Good luck with that.

Roughly 8-9 % of our income here in Sweden goes to health care, as part of the county part of the income tax.

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MsJ  Jun 10, 2017 • 9:05:13pm

re: #61 Interesting Times

Did you know single-payer in Canada began in just one province?

Y’all know who Tommy Douglas’s son is?

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Joe Bacon  Jun 10, 2017 • 9:05:37pm

re: #121 MsJ

Boris Johnson is the favored person top head conservative party? Good God.

According to the BBC, Boris has ruled out any challenge to May. He knows the train wreck is coming. Also, Boris is STILL pissed off at Republicans because of the way they trashed him as London Mayor during their Olympic Games.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 10, 2017 • 9:08:38pm

re: #85 teleskiguy

They don’t have poutine on the list! OUTRAGEOUS!

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freetoken  Jun 10, 2017 • 9:08:49pm

re: #127 Joe Bacon

Is the UK the proverbial canary in the coal mine, as far as the 21st chickens coming home to roost?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 10, 2017 • 9:09:15pm

re: #124 Joe Bacon

I’m in the same basket suffering from Type 2 and Rheumatoid Arthritis!

The California Senate passed the bill but left out the funding mechanism. Heck, I am willing to pay 2-3% more State Income Tax because that is lower than the 7.9% of my paycheck that currently goes to Kaiser and the 1.55% Federal Medicare Tax. They got to make the funding right and then smooth the transition.

Before Medicare was enacted in California, the State had “Western 65” health coverage for Senior Citizens. Then Governor Pat Brown and the State Legislature made sure that there was a smooth transition for Californians from Western 65 to Medicare.

Once again, Bernie doesn’t put his brain in gear before shooting his mouth off at Jerry Brown. Jerry knows how his Father busted his ass to make sure nobody was lost or left out during the Medicare/Medicaid transition.

I cannot support a bill that doesn’t have the funding mechanism attached. I’m sorry. That’s waving your hand and pretending the tooth fairy will cover it. Be fucking honest about how you’re going to raise the money if you want my vote. I’m willing to consider new taxes, but not fairy dust.

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MsJ  Jun 10, 2017 • 9:11:09pm

re: #127 Joe Bacon

According to the BBC, Boris has ruled out any challenge to May. He knows the train wreck is coming. Also, Boris is STILL pissed off at Republicans because of the way they trashed him as London Mayor during their Olympic Games.

After all the lying Johnson did about Brexit I’m beyond shocked he’s even persona grata. Brits are stupider than I ever have them credit for.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 10, 2017 • 9:14:51pm

re: #119 retired cynic

Look how long things stopped dead after the Rs stopped “Hillary-care.”

I remember the Kennedy push for National Health Care when Nixon was in office 1973-74. Watergate killed that cold.

Then there were the Catastrophic Care Amendments Reagan signed that would have strengthened Medicare including covering RX and long term nursing care. But then AARP and the UAW turned against that because they already had better coverage. Still remember the mob chasing Rostenkowski down the street and throwing stones at him. Sure enough, Congress buckled and killed Catastrophic Care which pulled the rug out from people who needed it like my Mom.

Then Hillary tried again and thanks to liars led by The Tory Twit Andrew Sullivan in The New Republic and Michael Kelly in his propaganda rags, Betsy McCaughey was able to publish her lies about Hillary’s Managed Care proposal. Add in the CEO pimps pouring millions of dollars into California’s Single Payer ballot initiative in 1994 and Purity Ponies led by Ralph Nader, Single Payer was slaughtered in California the very night that the GOP succeeded in getting Congress.

So that killed Health Care reform for another 16 years…

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retired cynic  Jun 10, 2017 • 9:15:53pm

re: #133 Joe Bacon

I remember. I do.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 10, 2017 • 9:24:28pm

re: #134 retired cynic

I remember. I do.

Yes for those who do not remember or who weren’t around in the early 70s, there was a major push for National Health Insurance. Kennedy and Martha Griffiths led a fight for Single Payer. Other bills were sponsored by Republicans that were far more expansive than Hillary’s 1994 proposal.

Heck, Even the AMA got into the act supporting what they called “Medicredit” which would base what a person paid for medical care on what they paid in taxes.

Kennedy backed away from Single Payer and worked out a deal with Wilbur Mills to allow subsidies of private insurance plus catastriphic care. It came close to passage but then Nixon’s impeachment stole the spotlight and the chance was lost.

Carter briefly tried and Kennedy torpedoed his proposal as well.

Just filling in the blanks for people who didn’t know. Heck, Theodore Roosevelt proposed National Single Payer Health Insurance in 1912. Wilson attacked him for that saying that Roosevelt’s Bull Moose Party believed in “Regulation” instead of “Reform”

Truman tried for National Health Insurance but was shot down with Lenore Baxter’s “Socialized Medicine” propaganda campaign…

Well, as Tina Turner says, “We NEVER do things nice and easy. We do it HARD and ROUGH…”

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Kragar  Jun 10, 2017 • 9:25:00pm
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sagehen  Jun 10, 2017 • 9:25:04pm

re: #122 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I mean in CA of all places we have time to cross the ts and dot the is and yet they haven’t even clarified how the hell they’re paying for this because to put a new tax in writing would increase the vote threshold required to 2/3s.

A public option makes so much more sense.

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freetoken  Jun 10, 2017 • 9:25:23pm

Regardless of implementation methods, again I propose the real problem is owning up to the bigger picture - do we as a society want to ensure that everyone in our society gets to enjoy the fruits of our society insofar as healthcare is concerned.

That can be asked in a straightforward manner. The answer is either yes or no.

That so many Americans implicitly give approval to the clique of right-wing elites who really believe that a hierarchical society is best, where there really is a type of social-darwinism going on, is due to long-standing fear mongering over socialism.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 10, 2017 • 9:31:48pm

re: #130 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I cannot support a bill that doesn’t have the funding mechanism attached. I’m sorry. That’s waving your hand and pretending the tooth fairy will cover it. Be fucking honest about how you’re going to raise the money if you want my vote. I’m willing to consider new taxes, but not fairy dust.

They skipped the mechanism because no source is visible at that level of cost.

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Interesting Times  Jun 10, 2017 • 9:32:05pm

re: #117 Joe Bacon

Bernie glosses over the fact that Corbyn had a Secret Weapon during the close of the UK election campaign—Don Cornholio’s Tweets attacking the London Mayor. Those vicious racist Tweets galvanized the Labour Voters in the last week to come out in droves and boosted Corbyn.

Actually, he - like Macron, and Merkel by the looks of it - might have also benefited from more generalized anti-trump trends. The rest of the world (and some of America) has the benefit of 20/16 hindsight and is voting accordingly.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 10, 2017 • 9:38:15pm

Watching the anti-sharia protesters today, I came to a realization about their actual motives: Islamic law actually does forbid public drunkenness and that obviously scares the shit out of RWNJs.

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allegro  Jun 10, 2017 • 9:41:25pm

re: #143 Shiplord Kirel

Watching the anti-sharia protesters today, I came to a realization about their actual motives: Islamic law actually does forbid public drunkenness and that obviously scares the shit out of RWNJs.

I think you give them way too much credit for even knowing that.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 10, 2017 • 9:42:29pm

re: #130 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I cannot support a bill that doesn’t have the funding mechanism attached. I’m sorry. That’s waving your hand and pretending the tooth fairy will cover it. Be fucking honest about how you’re going to raise the money if you want my vote. I’m willing to consider new taxes, but not fairy dust.

On youor side here just a small rant-Existing spending covers half by their measure. So everyone who pays now somehow doubles up or we find twice as many people to pay in. Or some gradient between. The elephant is the ridiculous inflation in the medical system. Las Vegas wants their margin back.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 10, 2017 • 9:49:01pm

re: #142 Kragar

New band Name! Expelled from the Orgy.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jun 10, 2017 • 9:55:06pm

re: #141 Interesting Times

Actually, he - like Macron, and Merkel by the looks of it - might have also benefited from more generalized anti-trump trends. The rest of the world (and some of America) has the benefit of 20/16 hindsight and is voting accordingly.

Haha.

The Trump Slump.

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BeachDem  Jun 10, 2017 • 10:07:21pm

I like Weigel’s name for Bernie’s little lovefest:

Berning Man aka BernieWouldHaveWonCon aka #PPLSummit

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 10, 2017 • 10:15:33pm

re: #145 Unshaken Defiance

On youor side here just a small rant-Existing spending covers half by their measure. So everyone who pays now somehow doubles up or we find twice as many people to pay in. Or some gradient between. The elephant is the ridiculous inflation in the medical system. Las Vegas wants their margin back.

I know. There’s a lot going on. My frustration is more with the folks I see in my Twitter TL (who I follow for non-political reasons) being stupid about it.

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BeachDem  Jun 10, 2017 • 10:16:10pm

And now, this (h/t to comments on Sunday Talk/Trix at kos):

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teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2017 • 10:23:43pm
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I know ‘danglage’ isn’t a word. Whatever, it’s Twitter.

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JordanRules  Jun 10, 2017 • 10:25:45pm

re: #151 teleskiguy

Whatever is right. It should be a word!

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teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2017 • 10:27:50pm

re: #152 JordanRules

Whatever is right. It should be a word!

Some guys like danglage. Some don’t. It’s the boxer/brief battle. Me? Danglage.

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JordanRules  Jun 10, 2017 • 10:28:28pm

Should he hand out the peanuts or is that too on the nose?
Very cool!

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teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2017 • 10:29:27pm

re: #154 JordanRules

That’s a model statesman. One of the best of the modern era.

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teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2017 • 10:40:52pm

A single ticket matched all the Powerball numbers tonight, sold in California. That piece of paper is worth $448 million.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 10, 2017 • 10:49:49pm

re: #156 teleskiguy

A single ticket matched all the Powerball numbers tonight, sold in California. That piece of paper is worth $448 million.

Maybe whoever won it can help pay for healthcare.

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teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2017 • 10:51:29pm

re: #157 Eclectic Cyborg

Maybe whoever won it can help pay for healthcare.

If they want to make more money…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 10, 2017 • 10:55:44pm

There is something so satisfying about ice packs on the shins after a good solid week of running.

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Kragar  Jun 10, 2017 • 10:56:38pm
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JordanRules  Jun 10, 2017 • 11:03:04pm

Good job lil dudes!

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JordanRules  Jun 10, 2017 • 11:04:53pm

Has anyone in the US with the last name Law, named their daughter Sharia?
Cause that would be dope. LOL

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teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2017 • 11:29:34pm

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 10, 2017 • 11:50:11pm

re: #116 freetoken

Our political system strongly enforces a two-party system.

This means 3rd parties almost always fail, and fail hard.

Which gives Bernie only two choices if he hopes to have any more significant impact in America.

At this point, my idiot brother says, “I see you’ve bought into the duopoly.”

And then I do this…

Kill me. Kill me now.
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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 10, 2017 • 11:57:25pm

I was looking at one of those “surprising chronology” lists (“Oxford University is older than the Aztec Empire”). Since my birthday is coming up the 21st, I decided to look at its own historical context. My birthdate, in 1949, is closer to the presidency of Chester A. Arthur than to the present day. World War II had been over for less than 4 years when I was born. George Bernard Shaw was still alive at that time and Harry Truman was President of the United States. The first artificial satellite was 8 years in the future, the first Moon landing was 21 years away. The transistor had just been invented at Bell labs.
It is remarkable what one person’s lifetime can include, and more remarkable still that there are people who are more than 40 years older than I am.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 11, 2017 • 1:12:00am

re: #121 MsJ

Boris Johnson is the favored person top head conservative party? Good God.

Yeah, this guy:

Boris Johnson
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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2017 • 1:23:10am

re: #165 Shiplord Kirel

I was born in 1982 and what I’ve seen astonishes me hither and thither. And I also realize a lot of my fellow humans don’t see how amazing things are, even with pocket computers that can access the whole of human knowledge.

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The Major  Jun 11, 2017 • 2:13:06am

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 11, 2017 • 4:09:31am

So, more continuing fallout from the recent election in the UK.

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The 1922 Committee is basically the elite leadership of the Conservative Party. General consensus: The knives are out and she’s gone, probably in short order. A new PM will be installed.

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Ming5000  Jun 11, 2017 • 4:21:07am

re: #161 JordanRules

I like the glance at the camera that Finn gave just before he executed the escape.

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 4:24:41am

re: #169 Dr Lizardo

So they are going to put Boris Johnson, the other guy who lied them into Brexit, in charge?

Maybe that poll noted above was regular people not party people.

How can any Brit stand him after his BS about national healthcare? I mean he’s the one, along with Farage, who literally the day after the Brexit vote were on television saying they didn’t really mean all the stuff they said before the vote. Most people call that lying and lying SHOULD mean you don’t get to continue your career as if nothing happened.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 11, 2017 • 4:33:25am

re: #171 MsJ

So they are going to put Boris Johnson, the other guy who lied them into Brexit, in charge?

Maybe that poll noted above was regular people not party people.

How can any Brit stand him after his BS about national healthcare? I mean he’s the one, along with Farage, who literally the day after the Brexit vote were on television saying they didn’t really mean all the stuff they said before the vote. Most people call that lying and lying SHOULD mean you don’t get to continue your career as if nothing happened.

Boris would be a joke, and a rather bad one at that. I have no idea what the Tories are going to do; Brexit negotiations are scheduled to begin on June 19th. If indeed the UK is headed for another election, the only thing they could do is ask the EU for another extension, to put off the negotiations until August or so and I’m pretty sure the EU is going to be experiencing an emotion between bemusement and exasperation.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 11, 2017 • 4:42:36am

re: #32 ObserverArt

I was on YouTube and did a search on Bill Maher and Ice Cube since I saw some comments about Friday night’s show related to his using the “N” word in his previous show.

Ice Cube did a nice job with his own explanation of who can use the word and why.

Thought some might like to see it.

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As a Black woman, I don’t agree that Black people should be using the “N” word at all. It’s a derogatory term and I don’t understand why any of my fellow Black folks would want to use it in the first place. I cringe whenever I hear it regardless of who is saying it. But I understand that that’s just me (and I wasn’t born in this country so perhaps I’m missing something).

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William Lewis  Jun 11, 2017 • 4:43:04am

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 11, 2017 • 4:46:40am

re: #154 JordanRules

It can be debated whether or not he was a good President, but Carter certainly is a top notch human being. Glad to see him in good health after that cancer scare and hope he has many more years to go.

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harlequinade  Jun 11, 2017 • 5:08:37am

re: #172 Dr Lizardo

And has already been said (sorry, if this is upthread, I came - went to bottom and read backwards), Article 50 has been triggered. There’s an end date regardless of when the UK starts negotiation.

But the mess is stronger than that. What happens to the Good Friday Agreement if the DUP is “part of” the ruling English Govt?
If all the Hard Brexit people are in charge, how does the Govt reconcile that with changing face of the party?

Also - Lord Ashcroft’s analysis lordashcroftpolls.com show that the country is in a little bit of a mess.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 11, 2017 • 5:23:32am

re: #176 harlequinade

Yeah, no doubt about it, this is a gargantuan mess the Brits find themselves in. And all because of what started off about 20 or years ago as an internal Tory argument about the UK’s place in the EU. This argument was never internally resolved - the UKIPers were really just the public face of (largely) Tory anti-EU ideas.

Well that finally came to a head, and in one of the most epic blunders in modern times, former PM Cameron decided to hold a referendum, calculating that a win by the “Remain” forces would shut up UKIP once and for all. He miscalculated badly. Then he steps down ASAP, May comes in as PM and decides to go for a full-on Brexit. The irony in all this? This was a non-binding, advisory referendum.

My suggestion, though I’m sure it’d get me lynched in some parts of Britain? Revoke Article 50 and announce a new referendum, but this time a real one……..legally binding, with two provisos: First, there must be 60% voter turnout and second, 60% of voters must vote “Leave” for it to take effect.

At least this time, people will know it’s for all the marbles.

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harlequinade  Jun 11, 2017 • 5:38:37am

re: #177 Dr Lizardo

The whole lead up to the referendum was horrifying. The belief that the conservatives wouldn’t win the general, so making a Referendum a pledge was easy to do.
And then be belief that it’d all be ok in a country where manufacturing had been destroyed, unemployment was rife, and every single piece of news about the EU was how awful it was.

I remember my wife waking me the next day saying, “We lost.” All I could think was - well, of course, what did they think would happen?

And all that followed: No one had a plan, because no one thought they’d need one. No one wanted to have to deal with the mess, so they all resigned really quickly, and putting the most rabid anti-EU politicians in control of negotiation.

And the fact that the Conservatives did what no one is meant to do - cozied up to the far right - in terms of UKIP, and enabled racists to get into power.
There was a comment in The Guardian on election day. A man had to get his wife from work because she’d been bullied by her work-mates. They were all going to vote conservative that afternoon, as one, because “They’d kick the pakis out.”

I now live in Denmark (which has a raft of its own problems) and there’s no way I’d go back home. It’s going to get a lot worse in the UK before it gets better.

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 5:42:05am

re: #176 harlequinade

And has already been said (sorry, if this is upthread, I came - went to bottom and read backwards), Article 50 has been triggered. There’s an end date regardless of when the UK starts negotiation.

But the mess is stronger than that. What happens to the Good Friday Agreement if the DUP is “part of” the ruling English Govt?
If all the Hard Brexit people are in charge, how does the Govt reconcile that with changing face of the party?

Also - Lord Ashcroft’s analysis lordashcroftpolls.com show that the country is in a little bit of a mess.

Doesn’t sound like the DUP is fully in board.

A Downing Street statement on Saturday said a “confidence and supply” agreement had been reached with the DUP and would be put to the cabinet on Monday. But the DUP last night put the brakes on that announcement, saying talks were continuing, not finalised. The DUP leader, Arlene Foster, said “discussions will continue next week to work on the details and to reach agreement on arrangements for the new parliament”.

theguardian.com

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harlequinade  Jun 11, 2017 • 5:46:04am

re: #179 MsJ

I thought their backing was a pre-requisite of getting Royal permission to form a govt. I might have to read up on English political law.

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2017 • 5:46:38am

I’d heard about this store mentioned here or there but had never seen the full account. I wonder if anybody in mainstream media tried to follow and confirm it? It just reminds me of how much they did not vet the con like they did other candidates. There is just so much about him, the whole family and their close associates they didn’t bother to run down and put out in the public sphere along with not pushing him on basic fact questions. The abdication is strange and infuriating.

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 5:48:07am

re: #176 harlequinade

That was a fascinating look at voter data. I’m confused, though. The conservative voters seem to be pretty pro Brexit. When did that shift occur? Wasn’t Cameron fully Remain (and yes I realize he lost)? When did that shift occur?

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 5:50:10am

re: #177 Dr Lizardo

Your suggestion should have been done before they triggered Article 50. Why they triggered that on 51% of a non-binding referendum is beyond me.

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 5:52:23am

re: #180 harlequinade

I thought their backing was a pre-requisite of getting Royal permission to form a govt. I might have to read up on English political law.

May told the queen the deal was in place. She had to have to get royal assent.

As for what happens now… Beats me.

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 5:56:16am

re: #183 MsJ

Your suggestion should have been done before they triggered Article 50. Why they triggered that on 51% of a non-binding referendum is beyond me.

I’ll add that to honor Brexit in any way after the supporters (Boris and Farage, specifically) came out the day after the vote and explicitly stated that the NHS wasn’t going to get more $$ and that all their promises weren’t really real, THAT should have stopped Brexit immediately or at least set up a real referendum with specifics as the Dr stated above.

The whole mess was unavoidable at so many junctures.

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Botsplainer  Jun 11, 2017 • 5:56:56am

A query for those who actually like golf enough to play it often (I don’t have the patience for it, and find it mechanically awkward to play):

Why would Trump continually and obsessively keep playing his own courses? Is it that he’s fearful of looking bad at another course, so he keeps trying to hone his own course scores? Is it that he’s unimaginative?

Personally, I love to dive, but I get bored with doing the same sites and wrecks at certain locations. I would imagine that golf could be the same.

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harlequinade  Jun 11, 2017 • 5:57:26am

re: #182 MsJ

I’d say it was brewing during the tail end of Thatcher’s reign. The image of her “handbagging” other European leaders is one that has never died. And from that point the right rallied around it.
Add a ton of normalising racism: The Go Home Van, for example.

So the tories were all about British Power and hatred of the EU.

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jeffreyw  Jun 11, 2017 • 5:58:54am

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Good morning!

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:01:33am

re: #187 harlequinade

As a Brit, perhaps you can explain something to me. How is it that people in the UK seem to fully believe that they are going to get some fantastic deal from the EU to allow them everything but free movement? Is there something I am unaware of that gives them the tiniest of hopes? If so…what is it?

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:02:23am

re: #188 jeffreyw

I love the kitty sitting on the puppy blanket.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:03:27am

re: #180 harlequinade

I thought their backing was a pre-requisite of getting Royal permission to form a govt. I might have to read up on English political law.

I’m pretty damn sure it is a pre-requisite for Royal assent. May botched it yet again.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:06:19am

re: #188 jeffreyw

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Kittens for breakfast again?!

:p

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:10:47am

re: #186 Botsplainer

Money. If there is a chance you can golf on or visit same course/resort as the President, you can charge more.

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:17:31am

re: #193 JordanRules

Money. If there is a chance you can golf on or visit same course/resort as the President, you can charge more.

Likely dementia, too. People who suffer dementia prefer what’s familiar to them. Changes of any kind, especially as the disease progresses, are not tolerated well. At all.

I, unfortunately, speak from experience.

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harlequinade  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:19:15am

re: #189 MsJ

The dumb.
And the press saying “No deal is better than a bad deal.”

And (citation needed)) onlyple who want to remain bothered working out what leaving would mean.

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451_Montag  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:20:01am

Awwww BLOTUS is so precious!

theguardian.com

He doesn’t want to go if people might want to stand up and say he doesn’t like him.

A single tear winds a slowly down his cheek, leaving a pallid streak, revealing his lily white skin underneath, a reflection of his knowing cowardice in His heart.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:20:04am

re: #186 Botsplainer

Why would Trump continually and obsessively keep playing his own courses?

The government pays money to those properties.

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harlequinade  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:20:23am

re: #191 Dr Lizardo

Could this be the Confidence Govt? We’re confident we can get 10 votes if we need them?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:21:14am

re: #2 teleskiguy

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I’m sure Saint Bernard didn’t really think this through. An American politician hitching his wagon to Jeremy Corbyn is deeply stupid, especially in our toxic environment.

He also got himself in some hot water recently with how he asked a Trump nominee some questions about his religion. Now from what I’ve read, the thing was blown out of context but much like his honeymoon in the USSR, it’s something that the right would have a field day with. The BBs refuse to acknowledge Bernie’s own weaknesses as a candidate and just focus on hypothetical bs.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:22:11am

But yeah I’m seeing Corbyn’s success the other day means Sanders would have won. Two completely different situations in two completely different countries.

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harlequinade  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:23:20am

re: #200 HappyWarrior

And, as happy as I am to see the Tories get a bloody nose, Jezza didn’t win.

*Edit: Jezza said with much love.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:28:04am

re: #198 harlequinade

Could this be the Confidence Govt? We’re confident we can get 10 votes if we need them?

LOL. And if she told the Queen she did, in fact,have a government in order to get Her Majesty’s assent, then she pretty much straight-up lied to the sovereign.

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:30:19am

re: #196 451_Montag

Awwww BLOTUS is so precious!

theguardian.com

He doesn’t want to go if people might want to stand up and say he doesn’t like him.

A single tear winds a slowly down his cheek, leaving a pallid streak, revealing his lily white skin underneath, a reflection of his knowing cowardice in His heart.

Alas, I have but one upding to give for that beautiful piece of poetry.

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:33:06am

re: #200 HappyWarrior

But yeah I’m seeing Corbyn’s success the other day means Sanders would have won. Two completely different situations in two completely different countries.

Pffffffft. Stop with all that thinking and stuff.

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:35:20am

re: #202 Dr Lizardo

LOL. And if she told the Queen she did, in fact,have a government in order to get Her Majesty’s assent, then she pretty much straight-up lied to the sovereign.

According to my Canadian spouse, May offers up a proposal to the queen. The proposal can be anything. It doesn’t matter what May said. The queen accepts or rejects (she never rejects).

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:35:34am

re: #204 MsJ

Pffffffft. Stop with all that thinking and stuff.

I CAN’T HELP IT!//

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:36:06am

re: #201 harlequinade

And, as happy as I am to see the Tories get a bloody nose, Jezza didn’t win.

*Edit: Jezza said with much love.

Right.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:36:42am

Noe Corbyn will move a no confidence vote after the Queen’s Speech.

theguardian.com

He’s calling on all the Opposition parties to bring down May. Now what happens if those 7 Northern Irish Sinn Fein MP’s actually come to Westminster and join the NO side?

May would go down.

Is there a possibility of a 1923 type scenario when the second largest party runs a minority Government (Ramsay Mac Donald did that briefly for Labour in 1923 with a Liberal veto on what he did).

Stay tuned folks! See the next chapter…Same Bat-Time….Same Bat-Channel…But the Worst Is Yet To Come!

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Alephnaught  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:36:50am

re: #191 Dr Lizardo

I’m pretty damn sure it is a pre-requisite for Royal assent. May botched it yet again.

I’m not sure having an overall majority is necessary for forming a government. You could have the party with the largest number of seats running as a minority government. (Which the SNP has done in the past with the Scottish Government, and is effectively doing now, even though it’s supposed to be friendly with the Greens- there’s no official coalition.)

Theresa May could have asked the Queen permission to form the government on the basis the Conservatives are the only party that could form the government given the numbers, which is technically true, even if they need the DUP’s help. If you add up all the seats on the opposition side, they still don’t add up to an overall majority, and the DUP are very unlikely to want to get together with Labour as long as Jeremy Corbyn is leader, and even less likely to want to associate with the SNP.

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makeitstop  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:37:40am

re: #196 451_Montag

Awwww BLOTUS is so precious!

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He doesn’t want to go if people might want to stand up and say he doesn’t like him.

A single tear winds a slowly down his cheek, leaving a pallid streak, revealing his lily white skin underneath, a reflection of his knowing cowardice in His heart.

Preznit Snowflake.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:39:21am

re: #210 makeitstop

Yep, once again, Don Cornholio wimps out!

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harlequinade  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:40:17am

re: #209 Alephnaught

Yeah. That’s how I’m reading it here. Goes to beeb

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Belafon  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:46:56am

re: #212 harlequinade

Your link needs a :

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:47:17am

re: #208 Joe Bacon

Noe Corbyn will move a no confidence vote after the Queen’s Speech.

theguardian.com

He’s calling on all the Opposition parties to being down May. Now what happens if those 7 Northern Irish Sinn Fein MP’s actually come to Westminster and join the NO side?

May would go down.

Is there a possibility of a 1923 type scenario when the second largest party runs a minority Government (Ramsay Mac Donald did that briefly for Labour in 1923 with a Liberal veto on what he did).

Stay tuned folks! See the next chapter…Same Bat-Time….Same Bat-Channel…But the Worst Is Yet To Come!

The only problem I can see with that scenario is that Sinn Féin are strict abstentionists.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:47:29am

Well, hey, people! I’ve been preoccupied with graduation festivities, and other end of term teacher stuff. So I’ve only been lurking mostly.

Here’s the latest on my job hunt. It may be over. I was offered a job in a part of China where the retirement age for foreign teachers is 64. I’m still mulling it over, but it looks decent. It’ll be at a larger uni in a larger city (Zhengzhou in Henan province), but the pay is about the same as I’m getting here. IOW, not a wowzer of a job, but the only one that has presented itself in a concrete fashion so far. I mean, they’ve sent me a contract to sign already.

I applied for a job in the States, too. They said they wanted to fill the job in June, but would be willing to wait on me, after they review my CV. So, I sent my CV last week.

Guy who needs to review is out of the office for a week. So, I guess the post is either not that urgent to fill, or they found someone else.

I’ve had bad experiences with passive-aggressive education leaders, so perhaps the silence is an omen.

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:50:23am

re: #208 Joe Bacon

Noe Corbyn will move a no confidence vote after the Queen’s Speech.

theguardian.com

He’s calling on all the Opposition parties to being down May. Now what happens if those 7 Norther Irish Sinn Fein MP’s actually come to Westminster and join the NO side?

May would go down.

Is there a possibility of a 1923 type scenario when the second largest party runs a minority Government (Ramsay Mac Donald did that briefly for Labour in 1923 with a Liberal veto on what he did).

Stay tuned folks! See the next chapter…Same Bat-Time….Same Bat-Channel…But the Worst Is Yet To Come!

Sound familiar?

Britain’s class politics has been turned completely upside down in 2017. Wealthy professionals in leafy suburbs have swung behind a Labour leader who pledges to sharply increase their taxes, while it was struggling blue-collar workers in deprived and declining seats who were most attracted by the party of austerity cuts to public services and welfare.

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Citizen K  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:50:33am

Late to the party, but I noticed who go the spotlight for this post. I’d been getting more into Wilson’s band, Porcupine Trees lately after only a minor flirtation with them (to one song really, Blackest Eyes). As always with prog, some of it is hit or miss with me, but definitely enough that I need to dig deeper into their discography.

Porcupine Tree - The Sound of Muzak (In Absentia)

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harlequinade  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:50:52am

re: #213 Belafon

Oops. Changed now.
Thanks for the heads up

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:52:07am

re: #216 MsJ

Sound familiar?

And this is where Sanders again ignores the role of xenophobia in working class communities.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:52:16am

The deathwatch has begun.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:52:45am

re: #215 wheat-dogg

Well, hey, people! I’ve been preoccupied with graduation festivities, and other end of term teacher stuff. So I’ve only been lurking mostly.

Here’s the latest on my job hunt. It may be over. I was offered a job in a part of China where the retirement age for foreign teachers is 64. I’m still mulling it over, but it looks decent. It’ll be at a larger uni in a larger city (Zhengzhou in Henan province), but the pay is about the same as I’m getting here. IOW, not a wowzer of a job, but the only one that has presented itself in a concrete fashion so far. I mean, they’ve sent me a contract to sign already.

I applied for a job in the States, too. They said they wanted to fill the job in June, but would be willing to wait on me, after they review my CV. So, I sent my CV last week.

Guy who needs to review is out of the office for a week. So, I guess the post is either not that urgent to fill, or they found someone else.

I’ve had bad experiences with passive-aggressive education leaders, so perhaps the silence is an omen.

Good luck whatever you decide to do.

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jeffreyw  Jun 11, 2017 • 6:53:07am

re: #192 Dr Lizardo

Kittens for breakfast again?!

:p

Nah, I think I’ll fry up some bacon.

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Alephnaught  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:03:44am

Former spin doctor from the Blair administration Alistair Campbell is being pretty forthright (Well, as much as he can be on live TV):

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:07:49am

re: #223 Alephnaught

Former spin doctor from the Blair administration Alistair Campbell is being pretty forthright (Well, as much as he can be on live TV):

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She doesn’t.

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Alephnaught  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:11:54am

Boom-tisch!

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darthstar  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:12:58am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:15:15am

re: #225 Alephnaught

Boom-tisch!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:16:28am

he is bonkers

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wheat-dogg  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:18:32am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

His lawyer and WH staff are scurrying around already, trying to repair the damage.

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Jenner7  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:18:35am

Comey’s a “coward”, but who was it that testified under oath?

I mean, the man isn’t going to the UK because he won’t be bathed in praise.

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Alephnaught  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:20:01am

re: #227 HappyWarrior

It’s a parody new site BTW.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:22:25am

re: #231 Alephnaught

It’s a parody new site BTW.

As is made obvious by the articles in the side-bar
Government introduces “If you’re well enough to wank, you’re well enough to work” policy

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:23:43am

re: #226 darthstar

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darthstar  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:26:30am
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sagehen  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:26:59am

re: #205 MsJ

According to my Canadian spouse, May offers up a proposal to the queen. The proposal can be anything. It doesn’t matter what May said. The queen accepts or rejects (she never rejects).

There’s a Broadway play, recently adapted to a PBS drama, called King Charles III, imagining after the queen dies.

Charles rejects a bill sent over from parliament; just refuses to sign it and makes a big public fuss about his reasons. It sets off a whole huge crisis, the monarchy aren’t supposed to be rulers anymore, they’re ceremonial figureheads, and acting like he has any authority upsets everyone so much it may end with the entire monarchy removed.

The play ends with William and Kate (at Kate’s instigation; William doesn’t want to hurt his father’s feelings) maneuvering to force Charles to abdicate; William understands the proper division between Head of State and Head of Government.

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darthstar  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:27:00am

re: #233 Unshaken Defiance

Time wounds all heels.

Yeah…she seems nice.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:27:10am
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Alephnaught  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:27:45am

One of the interesting things over the past couple of years has been the rise of Ruth Davidson since she first became leader of the Scottish Conservatives. She’s been grasping every opportunity when it’s came along, and the aftermath of this election is no exception.

She’s not directly involved in Westminster, (She’s the leader of the opposition in the Scottish Government, so she’d have to resign her MSP seat and stand as an MP to become directly involved in Westminster politics at any level, never mind become PM.) but as Scottish Conservative leader, she leads 13 Scottish MPs, and therefore securing her support is vital to the Conservatives majority at Westminster.

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darthstar  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:28:38am

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

I saw on Twitter that Trump’s lawyer’s spokesman is live tweeting arguments against Preet this morning. I can’t keep up with that level of incompetence so I just ignored it.

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:30:47am

re: #238 Alephnaught

What is Open Brexit? Nothing comes up on the Google machine.

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freetoken  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:34:03am
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They’re only about 6 light years away, among the closest stars to us. They are brown dwarfs, and were not detected until recently.

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Alephnaught  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:34:54am

re: #240 MsJ

What is Open Brexit? Nothing comes up on the Google machine.

I suspect it’s more of a marketing phrase at the moment- not quite soft or hard Brexit, but “Open” Brexit, somewhere in the middle.

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darthstar  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:35:14am

re: #239 darthstar

I saw on Twitter that Trump’s lawyer’s spokesman is live tweeting arguments against Preet this morning. I can’t keep up with that level of incompetence so I just ignored it.

Okay…Preet handled the guy beautifully.

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darthstar  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:36:23am

re: #241 freetoken

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They’re only about 6 light years away, among the closest stars to us. They are brown dwarfs, and were not detected until recently.

They sneak up on you, those dwarfs.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:36:57am

re: #242 Alephnaught

I suspect it’s more of a marketing phrase at the moment- not quite soft or hard Brexit, but “Open” Brexit, somewhere in the middle.

The New, Improved Brexit, now with more fibre and Vitamin B12!

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sagehen  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:38:26am
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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:46:22am
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freetoken  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:52:19am

re: #248 Ace-o-aces

That dude, from his twitter timeline, looks like he wants to be the next CCJ, or maybe an NRO writer.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:52:41am

re: #194 MsJ

Likely dementia, too. People who suffer dementia prefer what’s familiar to them. Changes of any kind, especially as the disease progresses, are not tolerated well. At all.

I, unfortunately, speak from experience.

I certainly have been one who thought that Trump suffers from some form of dementia but after Comey’s testimony, I am not sure that diagnosis seems so clear cut. Trump had repeatedly said that Comey told him 3 times that he wasn’t under investigation, and Comey actually confirmed that aspect. Of course, its meaning was different from Trump’s understanding. But if he truly had dementia, would he be able to keep track of this? Trump’s private behavior with Comey seems more malign and deliberate than you would expect from someone with dementia.

Trump wants to control every situation and benefit financially from every activity. That’s enough to explain his interest in golfing only at his courses. One SC ruling that might lead to his resignation is if the SC rules that he is violating the emoluments clause — that may be sufficient for him to decide that it is not worth his while to continue as President since it would affect his bottom line.

—Edited to correct typos.

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:55:28am

re: #250 Hecuba’s daughter

I certainly have been one who thought that Trump suffers from some form of dementia but after Comey’s testimony, I am not sure that diagnosis seems so clear cut. Trump had repeated said that Comey told him 3 times that he wasn’t under investigation, and Comey actually confirmed that aspect. Of course, it’s meaning was different from Trump’s understanding. But if he truly had dementia, would he be able to keep track of this? Trump’s private behavior with Comey seems more malign and deliberate that you would expect from someone with dementia.

Trump wants to control ever situation and benefit financially from every activity. That’s enough to explain his interest in golfing only at his courses. Once SC ruling that might lead to his resignation is if the SC rules that he is violating the emoluments clause — that may be sufficient for him to decide that it is not worth his while to continue as President since it would affect his bottom line.

There’s a spectrum from early onset to full blown Alzheimer’s.

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darthstar  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:56:36am
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Joe Bacon  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:57:13am

re: #222 jeffreyw

Not enough Bacon!

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 11, 2017 • 7:58:39am

re: #196 451_Montag

Trump is in for a huge surprise if he thinks he well loved outside of Israel and Saudi Arabia. The British know how to protest. I’m actually looking forward to his British state visit. LOL!!

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:00:02am

re: #254 Patricia Kayden

Didn’t he just cancel it for this reason?

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Joe Bacon  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:00:06am

re: #245 wheat-dogg

The New, Improved Brexit, now with more fibre and Vitamin B12!

Hmmm, sounds like something Frank Luntz tested in a focus group…

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:00:44am

re: #255 JordanRules

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:01:18am

re: #248 Ace-o-aces

That’s why there are scores of states where members of the LGBT community can be fired, denied housing, denied services, etc., just for being LGBT, right? A combination of privilege and cluelessness leads to such nonsense claims.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:02:16am

re: #255 JordanRules

I thought the article said the visit was “on hold” which means that it will eventually happen. It would be quite surprising if the American President didn’t visit Britain at all during his term.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:03:41am

LOL

LOLOL

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

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The text excerpt is from The Sunday Times.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:04:28am

re: #259 Patricia Kayden

I thought the article said the visit was “on hold” which means that it will eventually happen. It would be quite surprising if the American President didn’t visit Britain at all during his term.

Doesn’t that depend on how long his term lasts?

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:04:37am

re: #254 Patricia Kayden

Trump is in for a huge surprise if he thinks he well loved outside of Israel and Saudi Arabia. The British know how to protest. I’m actually looking forward to his British state visit. LOL!!

I was to. To bad something grabbed him by the pussy and he kittied out of making the trip.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:04:41am

re: #259 Patricia Kayden

I don’t think that the UK wants to continue its ‘special relationship’ with the States while the States is run by ‘special people’.

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:05:53am

re: #259 Patricia Kayden

I thought the article said the visit was “on hold” which means that it will eventually happen. It would be quite surprising if the American President didn’t visit Britain at all during his term.

He’s not really a president. He’s only one in name alone.

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freetoken  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:06:22am

re: #260 Dr Lizardo

Pretty much all the pundits say this would be disastrous for May. Even the Tory pick-ups in Scotland would be upset at such a hard Brexiter at the helm. It will be interesting to see if the her backbench starts to rebel.

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:06:39am

re: #259 Patricia Kayden

True, it would be weird but….2017.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:06:43am
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Read the article Aslan links to. This dude had a framed picture of Timothy Mcvay, and they let him out on bond!

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darthstar  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:06:52am
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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:09:18am

re: #267 Ace-o-aces

My eyes started burning from all the stupidity, audacity and privilege when I read that yesterday.

Also, screw you Brandon. You are a coward and traitor.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:09:23am

re: #265 freetoken

Pretty much all the pundits say this would be disastrous for May. Even the Tory pick-ups in Scotland would be upset at such a hard Brexiter at the helm. It will be interesting to see if the her backbench starts to rebel.

Farage is a nutcase and an attention whore. Isn’t he under FBI investigation anyway?

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:09:57am

re: #267 Ace-o-aces

I guess this government wasn’t joking when it said that it would only focus on Muslim extremists.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:11:56am

re: #271 Patricia Kayden

I guess this government wasn’t joking when it said that it would only focus on Muslim extremists.

Why would they interfere with their base?

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:12:49am

re: #261 Hecuba’s daughter

Doesn’t that depend on how long his term lasts?

Unless Democrats flip Congress, Trump will be with us and over us (ugh!!) until at least November 2020. Hopefully, I’m wrong about that but I don’t see Republicans lifting a finger to get him out of office.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:13:30am

re: #267 Ace-o-aces

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I’m not surprised!

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Nyet  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:13:45am

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Joe Bacon  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:15:15am

re: #270 Dr Lizardo

Farage is a nutcase and an attention whore. Isn’t he under FBI investigation anyway?

Why Mr. Mueller has Ol Nigel as a “Person Of Interest” in his investigation!

reuters.com

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:16:35am

re: #275 Nyet

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darthstar  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:17:42am

Funny…this is the same argument people criticizing Trump are using.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:19:47am

re: #275 Nyet

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:20:07am

re: #276 Joe Bacon

Why Mr. Mueller has Ol Nigel as a “Person Of Interest” in his investigation!

reuters.com

I find it wholly amusing seeing “fake news” because it’s like a homing beacon to it being true.

From the article:

Farage said on Twitter it had taken him a long time to read the Guardian article because he was “laughing so much at this fake news”.

“This hysterical attempt to associate me with the (Vladimir) Putin regime is a result of the liberal elite being unable to accept Brexit and Trump,” he said.

“I consider it extremely doubtful that I could be a person of interest to the FBI as I have no connections to Russia.”

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Joe Bacon  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:21:05am

re: #278 darthstar

Funny…this is the same argument people criticizing Trump are using.

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Imagine the fun Frank Luntz had testing that in his Focus Groups!

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:21:50am

Hell, it just gets better and better, don’t it?

Theresa May is to be told the EU will take a year to draft a new mandate for its chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, effectively killing the Brexit negotiations, if she insists on discussing a future trade relationship at the same time as the UK’s divorce bill.

In a sign of growing impatience with the shambolic state of the British side of the talks, senior EU sources said that if London insisted on talking about a free trade deal before the issues of its divorce bill, citizens rights and the border in Ireland were sufficiently resolved, it would be met with a blunt response.

“If they don’t accept the phased negotiations then we will take a year to draw up a new set of negotiating guidelines for Barnier,” one senior EU diplomat said, adding that the EU could not understand Britain’s continued claim that it would be able to discuss trade and the divorce terms in parallel.

The EU’s 27 leaders formally agreed to give Barnier a narrow set of tasks at a summit in April and they have no intention of rethinking the so-called phased approach when they meet May at a European summit on 22-23 June.

Formal Brexit talks are due to begin on 19 June, the same day as the Queen’s speech, at which point it will be known whether May has secured the support of a majority of MPs for her policy agenda.

theguardian.com

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Teukka  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:23:14am

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Joe Bacon  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:23:36am

Meanwhile, Puerto Ricans are voting today on a Statehood referendum. Gosh, if it passes will the Republicans in Congress actually consider that?

Nope…

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:24:53am

re: #278 darthstar

Funny…this is the same argument people criticizing Trump are using.

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Belafon  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:30:56am

re: #278 darthstar

Funny…this is the same argument people criticizing Trump are using.

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darthstar  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:31:55am

Trump is doing everything he can to become likable before the Russia probe starts doing real damage to him.

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darthstar  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:35:27am
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Jay C  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:36:57am

re: #260 Dr Lizardo

LOL

LOLOL

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

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The text excerpt is from The Sunday Times.

LOL indeed. Arron Banks* is “threatening” the Government with his “mailing list” if they don’t find a place for Nigel Farage? Nigel Farage the fringe nutter whose party’s day in the sun set last week?

* I looked him up: what a character! The UKIP’s money man: a sort of bush-league British Koch Brother. Who started a Breitbart-type website in the hope of leveraging his Twitter following into a political force. Srsly.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:38:13am

re: #289 darthstar

Trump is doing everything he can to become likable before the Russia probe starts doing real damage to him.

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Didn’t you hear? His clubs were actually advertising that if you held your wedding/event at one his clubs, and he was there at the time, he’d drop by for pictures and such.

Literally advertising that you could buy access to the President of the United States by putting more money in his pocket.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:40:26am

re: #289 darthstar

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Jay C  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:40:50am

re: #289 darthstar

Trump is doing everything he can to become likable before the Russia probe starts doing real damage to him.

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Why does it look like they’re smiling because Trump is holding guns to their backs?

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darthstar  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:41:12am

re: #292 Blind Frog Belly White

Didn’t you hear? His clubs were actually advertising that if you held your wedding/event at one his clubs, and he was there at the time, he’d drop by for pictures and such.

Literally advertising that you could buy access to the President of the United States by putting more money in his pocket.

The wedding fee has to be way north of $50,000 - I’m guessing in the low six figures.

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:41:47am

re: #294 Jay C

And everyone around him looks like that.

I’m still traumatized by Mitt’s mug.

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Teukka  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:42:01am

re: #294 Jay C

Why does it look like they’re smiling because Trump is holding guns to their back?

Because he is (figuratively)?

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Joe Bacon  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:42:04am

re: #278 darthstar

Looking at her face, I have to ask how much of Walter White’s Blue Meth did she smoke to utter such inane remarks?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:43:10am

re: #293 (Bert the Turtle)

With Rob Schneider as the Press secretary and Adam Sandler as the head of the Secret Service detail.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:43:13am

re: #295 darthstar

The wedding fee has to be way north of $50,000 - I’m guessing in the low six figures.

From what I heard, Mar-a-Lago doubled its membership fees, citing access to the POTUS. They may have withdraw that announcement.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:43:48am

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:44:12am

Here we go! Let it whip.

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darthstar  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:44:42am

re: #300 Blind Frog Belly White

From what I heard, Mar-a-Lago doubled its membership fees, citing access to the POTUS. They may have withdraw that announcement.

Nah…the Justice Dept just announced it’s totes cool for Trump to take money from foreign governments…voiding the Emoluments clause altogether. Lickity split!

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:45:08am

re: #291 Jay C

LOL indeed. Arron Banks* is “threatening” the Government with his “mailing list” if they don’t find a place for Nigel Farage? Nigel Farage the fringe nutter whose party’s day in the sun set last week?

* I looked him up: what a character! The UKIP’s money man: a sort of bush-league British Koch Brother. Who started a Breitbart-type website in the hope of leveraging his Twitter following into a political force. Srsly.

The guy who Trump brought with on a campaign stop in Louisiana (of all places) to say how great Brexit was… To people in LA.

Weirdest Trump adventure I’d seen.

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Targetpractice  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:45:21am

re: #302 JordanRules

Here we go! Let it whip.

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:46:22am

re: #301 Stanley Sea

Well damn. I actually forgot about this potential obstruction and abuse of power.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:46:44am

Now the Prime Minister of Ireland is speaking up; it’s not just Sinn Féin who’s unhappy with what PM May is doing.

Irish prime minister Enda Kenny expressed concern Sunday that a proposed alliance between Britain’s ruling Conservatives and Northern Ireland’s Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) could pose a “challenge” to peace in the province.

“They discussed the outcome of the UK general election and the (British) prime minister outlined the proposed supply and confidence arrangement between her party and the DUP,” a spokesman for the Irish government said.

“The taoiseach (Kenny) indicated his concern that nothing should happen to put the Good Friday Agreement at risk and the challenge that this agreement will bring.”

Before the 1998 peace deal, Northern Ireland was plagued by violence over Britain’s control of the province.

The Good Friday accords led to a power-sharing arrangement between nationalist, largely Catholic parties who want to join Ireland and the pro-British Protestant community.

Kenny also “noted the absence of any nationalist voice in Westminster”, after Northern Ireland’s Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP) lost its three seats in Thursday’s election.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:47:21am

re: #305 Targetpractice

Anybody hear a soft sobbing coming from Sen. Yertle’s office?

Or the sound of a scotch being poured?

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darthstar  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:47:51am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:48:41am

re: #303 darthstar

Nah…the Justice Dept just announced it’s totes cool for Trump to take money from foreign governments…voiding the Emoluments clause altogether. Lickity split!

Yeah, I saw that. Can you fucking believe that shit?

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:49:00am

re: #303 darthstar

Nah…the Justice Dept just announced it’s totes cool for Trump to take money from foreign governments…voiding the Emoluments clause altogether. Lickity split!

AND that they are going to take the argument. (that Trump can take any foreign money he wants) to the courts on Trump’s behalf. Think about that… The justice department fighting AGAINST the emoluments clause and for a for-profit president.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:49:38am

re: #299 Eclectic Cyborg

With Rob Schneider as the Press secretary and Adam Sandler as the head of the Secret Service detail.

Rob Schneider! That’s that guy’s name… he was my original pick but it’s a lazy, rainy Sunday and my brai… Fuggit, I’m just getting old.

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:49:48am

re: #305 Targetpractice

Anybody hear a soft sobbing coming from Sen. Yertle’s office?

He’s too busy sitting atop a 4x4 post right now.

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darthstar  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:51:08am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:51:20am

re: #311 MsJ

AND that they are going to take the argument. (that Trump can take any foreign money he wants) to the courts on Trump’s behalf. Think about that… The justice department fighting AGAINST the emoluments clause and for a for-profit president.

I’m old enough to remember when people said the Clinton Foundation would have to be disbanded if HRC won. Not just that all Clintons would have to disassociate themselves, but the whole thing closed down, because of the APPEARANCE of potential impropriety.

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darthstar  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:52:54am

re: #311 MsJ

AND that they are going to take the argument. (that Trump can take any foreign money he wants) to the courts on Trump’s behalf. Think about that… The justice department fighting AGAINST the emoluments clause and for a for-profit president.

Run the country like a business. Wait until he rents out the Navy to Russia.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:54:11am

re: #302 JordanRules

Here we go! Let it whip.

.@SenatorCollins: A healthcare bill resulting “in 23 million people losing coverage is not a bill I can support”
8:28 AM - 11 Jun 2017

Unless at least 2 additional Republican Senators join her, this is meaningless. Unless there is evidence to the contrary, the GOP is allowing her to do this to save her seat. This happens repeatedly: they allow those who need to, to take a contrary position because they know that they have sufficient votes to pass whatever deplorable legislation that McConnell wants implemented. I won’t have respect for her unless there are sufficient GOP votes to stop this monstrosity in its tracks.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:54:16am

My world has been shaken. I actually approve this tweet.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:58:15am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:58:30am

re: #318 (Bert the Turtle)

My world has been shaken. I actually approve this tweet.

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caseyjr  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:58:38am

re: #242 Alephnaught

I suspect it’s more of a marketing phrase at the moment- not quite soft or hard Brexit, but “Open” Brexit, somewhere in the middle.

I think it means remaining in the EU trading zone, so no barriers to goods moving across borders.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:58:59am

re: #318 (Bert the Turtle)

My world has been shaken. I actually approve this tweet.

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covfefe  Jun 11, 2017 • 8:59:21am

re: #319 Unshaken Defiance

This is why he’s crashing events at his clubs. Members know if they disapprove they won’t be members anymore.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:00:29am

re: #319 Unshaken Defiance

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sagehen  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:02:14am

re: #324 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, but honestly - would anyone who wouldn’t welcome his appearance book an event at one of his venues?

Fancy shmancy weddings are booked a looonng time in advance; probably before the election, and his popularity is half what it was back then.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:03:46am

re: #324 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah true that’s the case at this point. Bet they have a tougher time staying booked given his ruination of his own brand along with USA.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:05:40am

re: #289 darthstar

Trump is doing everything he can to become likable before the Russia probe starts doing real damage to him.

re: #293 (Bert the Turtle)

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Pres* Trump crashing events at a Trump Org establishment are part of the establishment’s selling points.

It also ties in with his only wanting to travel to places where he feels the public supports him…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:06:42am

re: #325 sagehen

Fancy shmancy weddings are booked a looonng time in advance; probably before the election, and his popularity is half what it was back then.

If I were rolling in money, it would be my fondest dream to have him crash my event, and then while he was there, stand up and loudly tell him, within view of as many camera phones as possible, to fuck off, and lead the guests in cheering “LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!”

Ah, well. A man can dream.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:08:29am
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caseyjr  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:08:38am

re: #270 Dr Lizardo

Farage is a nutcase and an attention whore. Isn’t he under FBI investigation anyway?

Farage immediately visited Assange upon returning from his talk with Trump in the WH, raising the possibility he is a bagman.

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Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:09:13am

I’ll just drop this here and run.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:09:33am

re: #328 Blind Frog Belly White

If I were to get married again and Trump was gonna crash it, I’d want Comey for my Best Man. Kamala Harris Bridesmaid…

Um, right before they arrest me for bigamy. Been married more than 30 years already.

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:09:34am

re: #328 Blind Frog Belly White

I think I’d try out my spy fantasies, play a good Omarosa for a while, get the ketchup steaks and chocolate cake flowing, put my phone on record and hope to catch something good.

Then I would go vomit.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:10:13am

re: #331 Skip Intro

I’ll just drop this here and run.

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covfefe  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:12:41am
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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:12:47am

re: #334 Blind Frog Belly White

Slightly shopped…

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retired cynic  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:12:52am

re: #331 Skip Intro

I’ll just drop this here and run.

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GAH! Why do they have to show their gums????? I don’t want to see their gums!!!

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sagehen  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:13:20am
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caseyjr  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:14:14am

re: #334 Blind Frog Belly White

Jesus, is that for real?

no, shopped. Uday and Qusay don’t look quite that goofy.

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Nyet  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:14:15am

re: #331 Skip Intro

Seems like it got photoshopped a bit to make them look even more like the denizens of Innsmouth.

media.gettyimages.com

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retired cynic  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:16:02am

re: #336 JordanRules

Slightly shopped…

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:17:20am

re: #331 Skip Intro

I’ll just drop this here and run.

it’s fake

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:18:21am

So I’m a little worn out on comic hero movies. But after reading interviews and some right wing whining about the star, her colors, her costume, her birthplace etc etc I’m going with D_L and LWC to see it today. Two and a half hours? Okay. Gal Gadot has exacly the attitude to push back on the critics of her origin. For those unaware see Brietbart etc.

Her take on the haters? “Just empty words”.
Trailer-

YouTube

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:19:09am

re: #341 retired cynic

Ahhh so that’s the possible tool used on the photo of the tools. Slight funhouse mirror thing going on.

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:21:48am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:24:12am

re: #330 caseyjr

Farage immediately visited Assange upon returning from his talk with Trump in the WH, raising the possibility he is a bagman.

Yeah, I’d forgotten about that.

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stpaulbear  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:28:29am

re: #305 Targetpractice

Anybody hear a soft sobbing coming from Sen. Yertle’s office?

I see him sitting in stone silence with a look of constipation on his face while listening through messages from his rich donors telling him that he’s expected to deliver on their massive tax cuts.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:29:09am

re: #340 Nyet

Seems like it got photoshopped a bit to make them look even more like the denizens of Innsmouth.

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“Yield up enough sacrifices an’ savage knick-knacks an’ harbourage in the taown when they wanted it, an’ they’d let well enough alone. Wudn’t bother no strangers as might bear tales aoutside - that is, withaout they got pryin’. All in the band of the faithful - Order O’ Dagon - an’ the children shud never die, but go back to the Mother Hydra an’ Father Dagon what we all come from
onct … Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn! Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah-nagl fhtaga - “

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Nyet  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:35:16am

re: #348 Dr Lizardo

Fishmen

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stpaulbear  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:36:26am

re: #319 Unshaken Defiance

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Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:37:17am

RWC

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sagehen  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:40:20am

re: #351 Stanley Sea

RWC

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Nyet  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:40:22am

re: #275 Nyet

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:44:05am

re: #349 Nyet

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A couple of photos of the “Innsmouth Look” done by sculptor Casey Love - very well done, IMHO and the stuff of nightmares; he totally nailed it.

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Joe Bacon  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:45:59am

re: #305 Targetpractice

Anybody hear a soft sobbing coming from Sen. Yertle’s office?

No, because of Mitch can let 2 folks go because Mikey will cast the decisive vote to kill Obamacare. Now the question is which other Republican up for re-election next year gets the other pass and I put my money on Heller getting that other one!

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stpaulbear  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:47:59am

re: #345 JordanRules

@AngryBlackLady If Dem exit, Dem don’t gets money.

Dem’s da breaks…

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Targetpractice  Jun 11, 2017 • 9:58:24am

re: #345 JordanRules

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Then Bernie realized that he wants to keep his seat and gave about as lukewarm an “endorsement” as he could get away with.

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:03:42am

re: #359 Blind Frog Belly White

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BeachDem  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:04:09am

Everything old is new again:

Ivanka on Friday: The administration will launch “a series of initiatives” and will call on Congress “to pass reforms expanding apprenticeships and raise awareness about the fact there are important, very viable career paths outside of the traditional four-year college experience,” she said.

What a great idea…

(from 2015)
President Obama is betting on apprenticeships to help bridge the job skills gap. His administration set aside $175 million in grants — the largest ever federal grant program for apprenticeships.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:05:07am

re: #359 Blind Frog Belly White

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:05:41am

re: #358 Targetpractice

I was a little worried and then remembered some folks had pulled Bernie aside and likely told him what the real calculation was.
It was a sorry ass endorsement.

Their summit seems like a big sham to me. Grifters and frauds united.

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BeachDem  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:07:45am

re: #359 Blind Frog Belly White

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:08:24am

re: #359 Blind Frog Belly White

Click to Reveal

He looks fantastic and happy!
What a great picture and I hope a great celebration for him today.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:09:25am

re: #171 MsJ

So they are going to put Boris Johnson, the other guy who lied them into Brexit, in charge?

Maybe that poll noted above was regular people not party people.

How can any Brit stand him after his BS about national healthcare? I mean he’s the one, along with Farage, who literally the day after the Brexit vote were on television saying they didn’t really mean all the stuff they said before the vote. Most people call that lying and lying SHOULD mean you don’t get to continue your career as if nothing happened.

Maybe someone could start a campaign like “It’s on his hat !”, with “It’s on his bus!”

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Joe Bacon  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:09:48am

re: #359 Blind Frog Belly White

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Targetpractice  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:09:57am

re: #363 Blind Frog Belly White

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Because they got the talking points from his lawyers. At this point, when he inevitably ends up in court, his attorneys are going to be stuck arguing that nothing he says under oath can be taken at face value.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:15:57am

Trump is “crashing” wedding and graduation parties at his clubs? Someone should call security.

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BeachDem  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:21:58am

Priorities, Melania style:

“I am putting together a professional and highly experienced team which will take time to do properly,” Trump said, according to CNN…

In addition to bringing an interior designer and her beauty team on board, Trump has only appointed three people to be a part of her East Wing staff.

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:23:03am
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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:29:33am

re: #371 BeachDem

To be fair, she probably doesn’t really need a formal East wing staff. I don’t see her doing a lot of the normal duties they are usually used for. But maybe they will try to use her presence there now as a normalizing agent as Mueller fires up the investigation.

Remember when folks thought she was smart for staying in NYC? I remember she is a birther.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:30:17am

re: #317 Hecuba’s daughter

Isn’t it interesting that Collins comes out and condemns Trump Care by pointing out that tens of millions will be harmed by it and yet it has a greater than 50 % chance of passing the Senate with a straight Republican line vote?

Says a lot about the lack of concern Republicans have for the average American. It’s like a huge FU to voters.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:31:49am

re: #372 JordanRules

How nice!! Now we have Republican Senators mocking the well documented impact of climate change on minority populations.

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:33:14am

re: #373 JordanRules

To be fair, she probably doesn’t really need a formal East wing staff. I don’t see her doing a lot of the normal duties they are usually used for. But maybe they will try to use her presence there now as a normalizing agent as Mueller fires up the investigation.

Remember when folks thought she was smart for staying in NYC? I remember she is a birther.

She just wants to make the White House look like Saddam Hussain’s pallace.

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:35:55am

re: #374 Patricia Kayden

I found her response interesting​ too in that she explicitly laid that out. Not just saying she’s going to be a no.

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:37:15am

re: #375 Patricia Kayden

How nice!! Now we have Republican Senators mocking the well documented impact of climate change on minority populations.

Do you honestly expect anything less? These are Republicans, after all. Southern ones no less.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:37:50am

re: #345 JordanRules

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ObserverArt  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:39:15am

re: #341 retired cynic

Basically the photo, but there is a tool called “liquify” that you can use to slightly expand or contract something (like a face) and have it still look normal. Looks like it has been used here.

Or the great warp tool that allows you to stretch and manipulate like silly putty.

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BeachDem  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:40:56am

re: #373 JordanRules

To be fair, she probably doesn’t really need a formal East wing staff. I don’t see her doing a lot of the normal duties they are usually used for. But maybe they will try to use her presence there now as a normalizing agent as Mueller fires up the investigation.

Remember when folks thought she was smart for staying in NYC? I remember she is a birther.

I just thought it was funny that her interior design and “beauty” team are in place, but she’s only picked three other staffers.

Yep—they’re trying to sell her presence in DC (if it ever really happens) as a warm and fuzzy plus for the yam. I have no more use for her and her birther bullshit, her original plan to monetize being first lady and her “boys will be boys—Billy Bush goaded him into being an asshole” than I do for her horrible husband.

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stpaulbear  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:45:24am

re: #374 Patricia Kayden

Isn’t it interesting that Collins comes out and condemns Trump Care by pointing out that tens of millions will be harmed by it and yet it has a greater than 50 % chance of passing the Senate with a straight Republican line vote?

Says a lot about the lack of concern Republicans have for the average American. It’s like a huge FU to voters.

It’s also interesting that she’s one of only 5 republican women in the senate and she doesn’t even know whats in the bill.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:46:22am

Is it just me, or does anyone else’s​ brain translate Farage to Garbage?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:47:37am

re: #358 Targetpractice

Yeah, I’m old enough to remember all the promises that there would be this massive schism at the Convention when Hillary was nominated. That “millions” of Democrats would march out to join the Greens and Bernie would join forces with Jill Stein to promote a “true progressive” ticket.

Then Bernie realized that he wants to keep his seat and gave about as lukewarm an “endorsement” as he could get away with.

Bernie is really a hypocritical prick. He bitches about the Dem establishment, the same people who will make him a Senate committee chairman.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:50:59am

I really want someone to strongly call Sanders out on his shit in 2020.

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Alephnaught  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:51:07am

Cabinet reshuffle currently happening in the Conservative cabinet. One of the appointments causing some speculation.

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darthstar  Jun 11, 2017 • 10:52:27am
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BigPapa  Jun 11, 2017 • 11:00:59am

re: #387 darthstar

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Timothy Watson  Jun 11, 2017 • 11:03:04am

re: #345 JordanRules

If Dem exit, Dem don’t gets money.

Bernie and associates are that spoiled ass teenager who keeps threatening to runaway from home until you remind him/her they won’t have any money then.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2017 • 11:04:04am

re: #389 Timothy Watson

Bernie and associates are that spoiled ass teenager who keeps threatening to runaway from home until you remind him/her they won’t have any money then.

I’m waiting for someone to attack Sanders from the left to see his reaction.

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2017 • 11:04:13am

re: #389 Timothy Watson

Ha! Spot on!

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2017 • 11:05:21am

re: #390 HappyWarrior

Oooh. My mind had never gone there. That would be fun to watch!

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 11, 2017 • 11:05:44am

re: #386 Alephnaught

Cabinet reshuffle currently happening in the Conservative cabinet. One of the appointments causing some speculation.

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Yeah, Mr. Green’s appointment as Deputy PM is starting to alarm the Brexiteers - not only because he was on the “remain” side but also because if/when PM May goes, he steps right into 10 Downing Street.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2017 • 11:05:54am

Honestly we’re trying to win elections here. It doesn’t help a damn that Sanders would rather go on the talk shows and crap on our leadership. And he should take some responsibility too if he wants to be seen as a leader.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2017 • 11:07:35am

re: #392 JordanRules

Oooh. My mind had never gone there. That would be fun to watch!

It would be and it might humble him which he needs.

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ObserverArt  Jun 11, 2017 • 11:11:41am

Watching the Canadian Grand Prix and they just showed Patrick Stewart sitting in the Mercedes team pit stall. Looks like he may have been tweeting or texting someone about the crazy start. He does get around hanging in Montreal today.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2017 • 11:12:46am

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retired cynic  Jun 11, 2017 • 11:13:00am

Juanita Jean ties Callista Gingrich’s nomination as Ambassador to the Vatican to hubby Newt’s new book, Understanding Trump. (Ugh, why would anyone want to?) With the usual snark:

“I hope they don’t try to baptize Newt. They’d have to skim nasty off the holy water for a month.”

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MsJ  Jun 11, 2017 • 11:13:18am

re: #383 BlueSpotinAL

Is it just me, or does anyone else’s​ brain translate Farage to Garbage?

Nope. Every single time I type it I think garbage. Twas meant to be.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 11, 2017 • 11:13:40am

NYT finally paying closer attention to how right-wing lies get spread:

nytimes.com

CCJ gets a mention, too. I’m sure he’s feeling validated.

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Alephnaught  Jun 11, 2017 • 11:15:10am

Ugh, Michael Gove’s back in the government.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 11, 2017 • 11:18:24am

re: #389 Timothy Watson

Bernie and associates are that spoiled ass teenager who keeps threatening to runaway from home until you remind him/her they won’t have any money then.

I just realized that my comment was an insult to teenagers since they usually grow up.

Bernie’s Malcontents never do.

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wrenchwench  Jun 11, 2017 • 11:19:05am

re: #397 ObserverArt

Watching the Canadian Grand Prix and they just showed Patrick Stewart sitting in the Mercedes team pit stall. Looks like he may have been tweeting or texting someone about the crazy start. He does get around hanging in Montreal today.

Teleportation. Better than fast cars.

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ObserverArt  Jun 11, 2017 • 11:22:38am

re: #404 wrenchwench

Teleportation. Better than fast cars.

Yeahbutt, if I used teleportation I wouldn’t be in a cool fast car.

Do you see the problem here?

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wrenchwench  Jun 11, 2017 • 11:25:32am

re: #405 ObserverArt

Yeahbutt, if I used teleportation I wouldn’t be in a cool fast car.

Do you see the problem here?

Not where you see it. My alternative to teleportation is a bicycle.

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darthstar  Jun 11, 2017 • 11:27:05am

re: #404 wrenchwench

Teleportation. Better than fast cars.

Surefly Personal Octocopter…hybrid gas/electric. 70 mile range.

SureFly personal octocopter revealed by the Workhorse Group

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darthstar  Jun 11, 2017 • 11:28:33am

re: #407 darthstar

Surefly Personal Octocopter…hybrid gas/electric. 70 mile range.

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Video

Spoiler: You never get to see it fly. It’s just a concept shell. Lying fuckers.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 11, 2017 • 11:35:08am

re: #407 darthstar

Surefly Personal Octocopter…hybrid gas/electric. 70 mile range.

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I can hardly wait for these to start falling out of the sky when they crash, turning fenderbenders into fatal accidents with potential bystander deaths.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 11, 2017 • 11:52:57am

re: #401 Barefoot Grin

NYT finally paying closer attention to how right-wing lies get spread:

nytimes.com

CCJ gets a mention, too. I’m sure he’s feeling validated.

I paged that.


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