The Bob Cesca Show: Detestable Lie

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Detestable Lie: Kimberley Johnson from Liberals Unite is here today; We recap Jeff Sessions’ testimony while it happens; Sessions can’t recall anything; Sessions and The Lord; Trump disapproval hits 60 percent; Bombshell Bloomberg story about Russians attacking election computers; Trump might fire Robert Mueller; Politico reports that 2,300 American officials were hacked by Russians; Snowden and the Russians; and more.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:40:22pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:57:41pm
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Dave In Austin  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:57:50pm

Such a burn….

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Teukka  Jun 13, 2017 • 9:58:55pm

re: #2 teleskiguy

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Uhhh. Nope. They’ve caught business tycoons giving away flats to people…

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 10:01:04pm

re: #4 Teukka

There you are Teukka! Jesse was definitely snarking and going for the cheap laugh among us non-Swede speaking silly Americans. It was hook line sinker for me!

Thanks for the translation!

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Teukka  Jun 13, 2017 • 10:16:35pm

re: #2 teleskiguy

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prairiefire  Jun 13, 2017 • 10:31:18pm

re: #6 Teukka

I’m related to John Erickson. Maybe I’ll see his statue someday in Stockholm.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 13, 2017 • 10:42:29pm

re: #2 teleskiguy

I wish I lived in a country where being out of Bort license plates was the big news (or even in one where you could believe that for a moment).

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2017 • 10:44:21pm
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Varek Raith  Jun 13, 2017 • 10:48:56pm

Haha, Ed Gillespie.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2017 • 11:22:33pm

An absolute disaster has apparently unfolded in London overnight; a 24-storey apartment tower caught fire and from video I’ve been seeing around the British news sites, the place went up like a bomb.

bbc.com

There are multiple reports from survivors that they heard no fire alarm in the building.

This could be truly horrific.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2017 • 11:25:19pm

re: #2 teleskiguy

Looks like a layout professors worst nightmare.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2017 • 11:27:17pm

Also, obligatory:

Bort License Plates

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2017 • 11:28:57pm

re: #11 Dr Lizardo

An absolute disaster has apparently unfolded in London overnight; a 24-storey apartment tower caught fire and from video I’ve been seeing around the British news sites, the place went up like a bomb.

bbc.com

There are multiple reports from survivors that they heard no fire alarm in the building.

This could be truly horrific.

ETA: It seems that thus far, according to London Emergency Services, only 30 or so people made it out. An apartment tower like that could easily accommodate a few hundred. :(

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2017 • 11:31:14pm

re: #14 Dr Lizardo

How the fuck could a building like that have no working fire alarms???

Methinks there’s a landlord who is about to be up to his ass in lawsuits.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2017 • 11:32:50pm

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2017 • 11:33:07pm

re: #15 Eclectic Cyborg

How the fuck could a building like that have no working fire alarms???

Methinks there’s a landlord who is about to be up to his ass in lawsuits.

From what I’ve been reading, the residents have been complaining for quite some time that safety standards in the building are wholly inadequate. Sadly, their complaints were apparently ignored.

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Cheechako  Jun 13, 2017 • 11:35:55pm

One report I heard was that during the remodeling during the past 2 years a “skin” was added to the exterior of the building to improve the appearance. If there were no “fire blocks” between floors then the skin would act like a chimney and move the fire rapidly from the second floor to the upper levels.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2017 • 11:37:31pm

re: #18 Cheechako

One report I heard was that during the remodeling during the past 2 years a “skin” was added to the exterior of the building to improve the appearance. If there were no “fire blocks” between floors then the skin would act like a chimney and move the fire rapidly from the second floor to the upper levels.

Yeah; I’m wondering if it was like the cladding on that apartment block that went up in Dubai a few months back. Some kind of aluminium cladding IIRC - basically, the stuff goes up like a Roman candle.

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Kragar  Jun 13, 2017 • 11:47:09pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 13, 2017 • 11:49:04pm

The landlord is the Kensington and Chelsea council tenant management organisation (known as KCTMO). It is an independent corporation that manages housing owned by the Borough of Kensington and Chelsea. The board consists of 8 elected residents, 3 members appointed by the Borough, and 3 independent members. Their website has nothing about the fire or anything else later than May 18. Their twitter feed is also silent, with nothing later than the 10th.

With irate residents having actually predicted this disaster, the KCTMO board members and other fatcats are in a world of shit.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2017 • 11:49:18pm

re: #18 Cheechako

One report I heard was that during the remodeling during the past 2 years a “skin” was added to the exterior of the building to improve the appearance. If there were no “fire blocks” between floors then the skin would act like a chimney and move the fire rapidly from the second floor to the upper levels.

Here’s an image of the layout of Grenfell Tower; four-bedroom units, four to a floor and you’ll notice only one emergency stairwell. In a 24-storey building.

A disaster waiting to happen.

Image: gE01q3Q.png

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 13, 2017 • 11:51:46pm

re: #22 Dr Lizardo

Here’s an image of the layout of Grenwell Tower; four-bedroom units, four to a floor and you’ll notice only one emergency stairwell. In a 24-storey building.

A disaster waiting to happen.

How is that even legal fire code in the UK?

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2017 • 11:54:13pm

re: #23 goddamnedfrank

How is that even legal fire code in the UK?

It was built in the 1960s - fire code was likely different back then and if it’s been updated (I hope it’s been updated since then) there was probably a grandfather clause or something.

Edit - completed in 1974.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2017 • 11:54:32pm

re: #23 goddamnedfrank

How is that even legal fire code in the UK?

Either outdated regulations or it’s illegal as fuck.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 13, 2017 • 11:58:21pm

re: #24 Dr Lizardo

You’d think London would have rather strict regulations considering their history.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 13, 2017 • 11:59:19pm

This is why I love living in over-regulated California.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 14, 2017 • 12:00:37am

re: #26 Single-handed sailor

You’d think London would have rather strict regulations considering their history.

Yeah. Looking it up, it seems the cladding used when the exterior was renovated was plastic with thermal insulation.

Plastic. Which is, of course, quite flammable. What could possibly go wrong, huh?

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 14, 2017 • 12:02:06am

Live coverage at The Guardian.

(10 minutes ago)
London fire commissioner Dany Cotton is giving a statement. She said fire fighters arrived within six minutes.

She confirms that there have been a number of fatalities. She could not confirm numbers because of the complexity of the building.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 14, 2017 • 12:05:10am

Fire Commissioner Cotton’s statement:

This is an unprecedented incident. In my 29 years of being a firefighter I have never ever seen anything of this scale. Firefighters are working very hard at the moment.

This is a major fire that effected all floors of this 24 storey building from the second floor upwards. I have over 200 of my firefighters and officers attending this incident, with 40 fire engines and a range of specialist vehicles, including 14 fire rescue units. We declared this a major incident very early this morning … the first call coming in at 12.54. Our first fire engines were on the scene in under six minutes.

Crews wearing breathing apparatus and extended duration breathing apparatus have been working in extremely challenging and very difficult conditions to rescue people and bring this major fire under control.

London Ambulance Service have confirmed that 30 people have been taken to five hospitals.

I am very sad to confirm that there have been a number of fatalities. I cannot confirm the number at this time due to the size and complexity of this building. It would clearly be wrong for me to speculate further.

Equally the cause of this fire is not known at this stage.

We are working very closely with our colleagues in the Metropolitan Police and the London Ambulance Service to bring this situation under control.

Further information will be made available shortly including advice for those concerned about those who are working here and people who live here.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 14, 2017 • 12:46:16am

Damn. Just damn.
The Guardian:

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 14, 2017 • 12:48:52am

Just to add to the list of bad things happening.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 1:11:35am

re: #10 Varek Raith

Haha, Ed Gillespie.

Poor “Establishment Ed” had a rough night. Also shows how batshit crazy the Virginia GOP is.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2017 • 1:27:43am

re: #26 Single-handed sailor

You’d think London would have rather strict regulations considering their history.

Consider their history of privatisation, deregulation and neglect of infrastructure since Thatcher…

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 2:06:53am

Or: ustream.tv

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Amory Blaine  Jun 14, 2017 • 2:10:46am

Shopping online for a banjo is not easy. That is all.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 2:22:25am

Vroomski, da
Boomski, net

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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2017 • 2:23:52am

re: #36 Amory Blaine

Shopping online for a banjo is not easy. That is all.

Musician’s Friend.musiciansfriend.com

I’m a would be player, and bought some stuff from them to refurb my grandmother’s banjo.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 3:17:07am
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freetoken  Jun 14, 2017 • 3:35:05am

It’s a chipper morning:

1,000+ Ducklings Live Stream 24/7

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 14, 2017 • 3:38:18am

6 people confirmed dead

The Met Police has confirmed that six people were killed and the number is expected to rise.
Commander Stuart Cundy, from the Metropolitan Police, said: “Our thoughts are with everyone involved in this truly shocking fire at Grenfell Tower.

“I can confirm six fatalities at this time but this figure is likely to rise during what will be a complex recovery operation over a number of days. Many others are receiving medical care.”

Expect much worse. Firefighters are only now beginning to enter the building to start sifting through debris.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 14, 2017 • 3:43:47am

re: #41 Shiplord Kirel

6 people confirmed dead

Expect much worse. Firefighters are only now beginning to enter the building to start sifting through debris.

I hate to say it, but I’m thinking this is gonna be bad…..really bad. It’s the kind of catastrophe that triggers broad regulatory changes, like the Cocoanut Grove fire or The Station nightclub disaster.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 14, 2017 • 3:54:48am

I wonder how they do code inspections in London. If it was recently renovated you would think that they would have to update it to new fire codes.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:11:37am

I wonder if Trump Tower or any of his other properties are built according to code. Cheeto has a reputation for cutting corners that way.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:12:01am

I have a really hard time believing that any fire travels that fast and that far without being intentionally set. The one stair well was blocked. If this was intentionally set, it has got to be one of the worse hate crimes against muslims I can think of.

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:14:48am

So I see that the VA GOP are at each others throats while the VA DNC is calling for unity and the Bernie candidate handled his loss with class.

Ah, I love waking to good news.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:15:30am

I’m back, after my Internet service is restored following:

a) A farmer dug through a bunch of cables
b) Tornadoes in my county the other day.

My phone company of course says they won’t refund money for Acts of Nature, because they are not responsible. If I like, I can go to Delaware for corporate arbitration for the ten bucks or so lost on the second. As for the first, not their problem.

Newspaper articles yesterday and today with the tornadoes in my county (my village was spared the heavy weather - Bayard is about thirty miles across the county):

Kimball Reports Seven Tornadoes in Monday’s Storms - Other Wyobraska Communities Affected (Kimball, Neb.)
Prairie Center Family Survives Second Tornado (Torrington, Wyo.)
Bayard Cleaning Up after Tornado Rips Through Town (Bayard, Nebr., in my county)

(All go to the Scottsbluff Star-Herald, with photographs of the damage. Photos in Bayard include aerial photos of the city of 800)

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:18:07am

I really they would make up their freaking minds

Taking a daily aspirin is far more dangerous than was thought, causing more than 3,000 deaths a year, a major study suggests.

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:21:34am

Trump groupie Scott Adams defends Russia’s hacking of American elections because Russian Authoritarianism is more preferable than Western Democracy.

blog.dilbert.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:22:04am

re: #33 Timothy Watson

Poor “Establishment Ed” had a rough night. Also shows how batshit crazy the Virginia GOP is.

I had no idea it was going to be that close. Republican turnout was down but still.

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Dizzy  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:22:04am

Some encouraging analysis from fivethirtyeight

On Dec. 4 last year, less than a month after Donald Trump had defeated Hillary Clinton, Austria held a revote in its presidential election, which pitted Alexander Van der Bellen, a liberal who had the backing of the Green Party, against Norbert Hofer of the right-wing Freedom Party. In May 2016, Van der Bellen had defeated Hofer by just more than 30,000 votes — receiving 50.3 percent of the vote to Hofer’s 49.7 percent — but the results had been annulled and a new election had been declared.

So what happened? Van der Bellen won by nearly 8 percentage points. Not only did Hofer receive a smaller share of the vote than in May, but he also had fewer votes despite a higher turnout. Something had caused Austrians to change their minds and decide that Hofer’s brand of populism wasn’t such a good idea after all.

I’m cautiously optimistic about the following observation:

The same two candidates were on the ballot, but in the intervening period Trump had won the American election and the United Kingdom had voted to leave the European Union. If the populist tide were rising, Hofer should have been able to overcome his tiny deficit with Van der Bellen and win. Instead, he backslid. It struck me as a potential sign that Trump’s election could represent the crest of the populist movement, rather than the beginning of a nationalist wave

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:30:31am

Tornado in Bushnell (Kimball County, Nebr., SW of my county)

06-12-2017 Bushnell, NE - Tornado Destroys Farm and Big Hail


Torrington, Wyo. tornado (two counties west)

Wyoming Tornado June 12, 2017


Bayard, Nebr. multi-vortex tornado (my county)

6-12-17 Bayard, Nebraska Multi- Vortex Tornado 725pm


Aerial drone footage from Bayard, Nebr. of aftermath

06-13-17 Bayard, Nebraska Tornado Damage Aerial Drone Footage

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:46:44am

re: #46 Targetpractice

So I see that the VA GOP are at each others throats while the VA DNC is calling for unity and the Bernie candidate handled his loss with class.

Ah, I love waking to good news.

This is interesting:

Facebook Post

For those not familiar with Virginia politics, Bob Marshall is the Gold standard when it comes to homophobia and transphobia.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:49:58am

re: #50 HappyWarrior

I had no idea it was going to be that close. Republican turnout was down but still.

What happened with the Delegate you were supporting? Couldn’t remember the name.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:50:41am

So this kid was tortured into a coma & sent home to die, and Trump will brag about how he was “so smart and tough!” to get this poor soul released, because he is dying.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:52:45am

Given how batshit the GOP is, how long until Bryce Reeves actually claims he won and puts a framed copy of this up in his office?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:54:59am

re: #46 Targetpractice

So I see that the VA GOP are at each others throats while the VA DNC is calling for unity and the Bernie candidate handled his loss with class.

Ah, I love waking to good news.

To be fair to Perriello, he was much more than a Bernie candidate. But yeah he handled it well but more importantly the crowd seemed to as well.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:55:00am

what

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:56:00am

re: #54 Timothy Watson

What happened with the Delegate you were supporting? Couldn’t remember the name.

Taintor, she lost. Damn shame since I think she would have given LaRock a run for his money.

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freetoken  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:57:34am

Look at the replies to this already:

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Varek Raith  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:58:09am

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

what

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WTF.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:58:14am

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

what

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Holy shit:

More @ thehill.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:58:58am

re: #53 Timothy Watson

This is interesting:

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For those not familiar with Virginia politics, Bob Marshall is the Gold standard when it comes to homophobia and transphobia.

Whoa! That’s awesome. I hope she ruins Marshall.

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jeffreyw  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:00:17am

Imgur
Good morning!

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Varek Raith  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:00:33am

Great, more fucking idiots with guns.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:01:37am

re: #65 Varek Raith

Great, more fucking idiots with guns.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:01:48am

That’s the thing though. Sanders backs you and you become known as his candidate. Goddamnit, I know it sounds selfish but Tom was my candidate long before Bernie endorsed him. Bernie wasn’t out in first the cold getting signatures and the past two weeks canvassing in the heat.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:03:02am

re: #65 Varek Raith

Great, more fucking idiots with guns.

Liberals or Muslims (or maybe both) to be blamed in 3 …

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:05:59am

re: #67 HappyWarrior

That’s the thing though. Sanders backs you and you become known as his candidate. Goddamnit, I know it sounds selfish but Tom was my candidate long before Bernie endorsed him. Bernie wasn’t out in first the cold getting signatures and the past two weeks canvassing in the heat.

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:06:33am

re: #68 Anymouse

Liberals or Muslims (or maybe both) to be blamed in 3 …

That or “RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM!!!!”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:06:39am

Nothing wrong with an endorsement btw but I just find myself cringing seeing Perriello primarily described as a Sanders backed candidate and to be fair, Tom did welcome the endorsement but at the same time, the man is so much more than that imho.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:06:39am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:07:39am

re: #69 Timothy Watson

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:07:44am

I suppose the wingnuts are already blaming this shooting on the production of “Julius Caesar”

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Varek Raith  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:08:20am

God dammit.
I hope those hurt fully recover.

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freetoken  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:08:34am

re: #68 Anymouse

Liberals or Muslims (or maybe both) to be blamed in 3 …

Already happened. That is why I linked the Fox tweet, the responses are full of triggered hatred from the Trumper set.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:08:47am

Well it was in what McCain’s fuckwit brother derided as “Commie country.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:09:08am

re: #75 Varek Raith

God dammit.
I hope those hurt fully recover.

Same.

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:10:35am

Now we watch the dancing skills of the GOP as they try everything they can to avoid the dreaded words: “gun control.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:10:41am

Seriously though. What the hell is happening?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:10:48am

IF ONLY THEY HAD GUNS INSTEAD OF BASEBALL BATS!!!!1!!!

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:11:10am

Twitter links for all the local D.C. news channels:
@ABC7News
@fox5dc
@nbcwashington
@wusa9

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:12:33am

Gun violence is actually an issue I give Ralph Northam a lot of cred on since he’s a doctor who has treated both combat wounds and civilian shooting victims.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:12:38am

Reports are Congressman Steve Scalise was shot along with some aides. They said there were up to 100 shots fired between the shooter and security.

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freetoken  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:12:50am

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Seriously though. What the hell is happening?

Every year in this country there are thousands of assaults with weapons. The US has a relatively high rate of violent crimes, compared to most nations in the world.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:12:56am
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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:13:47am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:13:54am

I despise Steve Scalise, but I want to see him turned out of the House in an election.

Violence like this is despicable.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:14:14am

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Seriously though. What the hell is happening?

America is losing it. We have become a country of violence.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:14:28am

re: #85 freetoken

Every year in this country there are thousands of assaults with weapons. The US has a relatively high rate of violent crimes, compared to most nations in the world.

We sure as hell do.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:14:49am

re: #89 ObserverArt

America is losing it. We have become a country of violence.

Become? When were we not?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:15:02am

re: #68 Anymouse

Liberals or Muslims (or maybe both) to be blamed in 3 …

Because of that play in Central Park

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freetoken  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:16:10am

re: #89 ObserverArt

We have become a country of violence.

Sadly, the US has a very long history of violence.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:17:13am

re: #93 freetoken

Sadly, the US has a very long history of violence.

Yep- Public lynchings weren’t that long ago.

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:17:16am

So since the GOP is known for drawing all the wrong conclusions about a tragedy, just how will they look to exploit this one? My guess is to try to argue that the country needs to “come together” over this and put aside the “partisanship” of the Russia investigation long enough to get it off the front-page news.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:17:19am

Chubby white guy did the shooting.

Scalise shot in the hip, was airlifted out along with another person.

Per guy on CNN now.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:17:46am

Mo Brooks is the guy on CNN speaking now.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:17:52am

re: #91 Anymouse

Become? When were we not?

We’ve had violent people in the past. Now it seems to be accepted that it is normal. As a kid I felt pretty safe growing up, even in the “unsafe” parts of town. Not anymore. What with open carry, road rage and the like I no longer feel that way.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:18:31am

Guy is apparently in custody.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:18:55am

re: #99 MsJ

Guy is apparently in custody.

So it was a white guy.

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Jay C  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:19:01am

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Seriously though. What the hell is happening?

The incident is over now: either the police or the Congressmens’ security detail “took the shooter down”. The shooter is in custody, five victims are in the hospital with various wounds

I just heard a recitation of events from Rep Brooks (AL) who was there on CNN: it sounds like they were just having a bit of fielding practice when a guy with a rifle showed up at the fence and turned the field into a war zone. Whip Scalise was apparently hit in the hip as he stood at second base: Brooks said he left a trail of blood as he crawled into the field . Fortunately one of the Reps was a doctor.
Man, this is a weird story.

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Varek Raith  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:19:53am

re: #100 HappyWarrior

So it was a white guy.

Witnesses say he was downed by LEO gunfire.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:20:06am

re: #100 HappyWarrior

So it was a white guy.

Which means he’ll have a “history of mental issues.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:20:14am

Of course the usual swarm of wingnut assholes is already blaming #TheResistance and #antifa

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:22:41am

re: #103 Ace Rothstein

Which means he’ll have a “history of mental issues.”

Or a long history of supporting Dems and “librul” causes.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:22:54am

re: #101 Jay C

The incident is over now: either the police or the Congressmens’ security detail “took the shooter down”. The shooter is in custody, five victims are in the hospital with various wounds

I just heard a recitation of events from Rep Brooks (AL) who was there on CNN: it sounds like they were just having a bit of fielding practice when a guy with a rifle showed up at the fence and turned the field into a war zone. Whip Scalise was apparently hit in the hip as he stood at second base: Brooks said he left a trail of blood as he crawled into the field . Fortunately one of the Reps was a doctor.
Man, this is a weird story.

I meant in general between this and the fire lsst night in London. So much awful things happening.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:23:14am

re: #99 MsJ

Guy is apparently in custody.

In police jargon, dead and handcuffed is also “in custody”.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:23:47am

re: #49 DodgerFan1988

Trump groupie Scott Adams defends Russia’s hacking of American elections because Russian Authoritarianism is more preferable than Western Democracy.

blog.dilbert.com

Wow. His comment section seems to be culled from Freepers.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:23:50am

re: #107 Timothy Watson

In police jargon, dead and handcuffed is also “in custody”.

Aha.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:24:18am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:24:32am

Badly worded tweet by ABC. I’d rather not see someone shot live, thanks.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:25:59am

Scalise is a jerk but an attack on a sitting member of Congress is an attack on the Constitution and democracy itself. Assuming he was taken alive, the shooter should never breathe free air again.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:26:57am

The Tree of Liberty stays thirsty, my friends.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:28:08am

re: #107 Timothy Watson

In police jargon, dead and handcuffed is also “in custody”.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:28:51am

As crazy as things are regarding healthcare, social security, our current president etc, when I hear a middle aged white man, I would be very hesitant to call this related to him being a Democrat or a Republican. The levels of frustration are so high, it could be anybody with any kind of a cause.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:33:38am

re: #115 ObserverArt

As crazy as things are regarding healthcare, social security, our current president etc, when I hear a middle aged white man, I would be very hesitant to call this related to him being a Democrat or a Republican. The levels of frustration are so high, it could be anybody with any kind of a cause.

We might be hesitant … we care about facts. I suspect WeSerchr will have a bounty up within the hour to find (something), the Wingnutosphere will be pointing fingers at the hated group du jour, &c.

Other than that, it should be a quiet Flag Day today.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:34:20am

Already an article of faith FACT!!!! CONFIRMED!!!! that shooter was a card-carrying member of the terrorist group #TheResistance

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:34:30am

re: #60 freetoken

Look at the replies to this already:

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Aw CENSORED!

This is what I’ve been afraid was going to happen.

I’ve been warning that this could happen thanks to the hyperpartisanship the Republicans have been pushing since 1994.

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Bass Reeves  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:36:22am

Scalise is the more electable David Duke, right? Just refreshing the memory.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:37:20am

Hope Scalise is okay. Thoughts go out to all the victims.

It’s going to be weird hearing Republicans condemning a mass shooting though.

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freetoken  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:38:25am

re: #117 The Vicious Babushka

“Deliberate attack”.

Well of course. It’s not like the shooter was out deer hunting and accidentally hit some humans.

The vacuity of twitter astounds.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:39:13am

re: #108 Barefoot Grin

Adams is a hard care Rothbardian Anarcho-Capitalist Libertarian who believes in the Ayn Randian Look Out For #1 and CENSORED everyone else philosophy. And when Adams winds up with a stroke or heart attack he will do what Ayn AS IN MINE did when she contracted lung cancer—he’ll wind up on the very programs he hates—Social Security and Medicare…

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:41:23am

Stay vigilant my friends….. This is indeed tragic but there is someone somewhere who is toasting this event.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:41:23am

Free Republic as expected is already on the “liberals did it” train, trying to start Civil War 2, might be inconvenient so left-leaning sites will scrub the news, &c.
RedState warning their readers from jumping to conclusions.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:42:46am

re: #121 freetoken

“Deliberate attack”.

Well of course. It’s not like the shooter was out deer hunting and accidentally hit some humans.

The vacuity of twitter astounds.

The instantaneous internet can be real bad at getting untruths out faster than facts can be gathered.

Like right now they are saying someone heard the gunman ask what political party is out on the field.

Not good. This is the kind of reporting that can cause other bad things to happen today.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:43:33am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:44:22am

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:45:45am
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Mike Lamb  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:46:55am

re: #124 Anymouse

Free Republic as expected is already on the “liberals did it” train, trying to start Civil War 2, might be inconvenient so left-leaning sites will scrub the news, &c.
RedState warning their readers from jumping to conclusions.

Dylan Roof…lone wolf. This shooter, if somehow connected to “liberals”…clearly the natural outcome of liberal philosophy.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:47:15am

HYPERBOLE ALERT!!!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:47:56am

re: #127 Joe Bacon

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:48:58am
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covfefe  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:49:08am

Wtf. I wake up expecting to hear the worst about the London fire, and this happens? JFC.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:49:51am

Snark …

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:52:08am
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Varek Raith  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:53:14am

I detest those hoping it was a Dem or Trump supporter.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:55:52am

Under the hashtag “Steve Scalise” on Twitter, wingnuts are all over it blaming Democratic violence, &c.

Not many that are not looking to blame “liberals.” I’m not putting the wingnut memes here.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:56:04am

We don’t even know the shooter’s name but wingnuts are entirely convinced he was a card-carrying member of #TheResistance acting on orders from SOROS.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:57:07am

I have to take my car in for maintenance—about a 2 hour job. I was just going to hang in the waiting area and lurk LGF, do some work. But I suspect the TV will be on Fox, so I think I’ll take the iPod, go for a walk and listen to some podcasts. Between London and VA shooting, it’s a very bad day indeed.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:57:32am

Prayers will be offered and nothing will be done about guns. NEXT.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:59:14am

re: #140 Amory Blaine

Prayers will be offered and nothing will be done about guns. NEXT.

Prayers have already been offered. Isn’t that enough? What the fuck do you want? Responsible gun legislation?

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:59:51am
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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:00:31am

Erie Canal’s bicentennial year

When Thomas Jefferson first caught wind of plans for the Erie Canal, the president scoffed. A 363-mile waterway carved from Albany to Buffalo, linking the Hudson River to the Great Lakes, hauling commerce along the way? That seemed “a little short of madness” — or so goes a tale much recounted in the two centuries since.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:00:35am

No more Facebook or Twitter today. Nuts are on the warpath!

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:00:45am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

I’ve been following Twitter and the reports of the mass shooting at a baseball practice where members of Congress and staffers were playing. Rep. Scalise was shot, as were several staffers and members of the Capitol Police. The suspect is apparently in custody, but as always, early reports can and often are wrong.

Take them all with a grain of salt.

Security is tightened at the Capitol and the Legislative office buildings.

It’s just another day in America, where mass shootings are a regular occurrence. Attempted political assassinations haven’t changed the gun availability culture/mindset either. Recall, Congress did nothing in the wake of Gabby Giffords being targeted. Don’t expect any different with Scalise being shot here.

Nearly 12,000 are murdered every year, many by people they know (family, friends, acquaintances). Even more commit suicide with guns.

The health care toll is in the billions every year from the wages of firearms violence, and it’s a lasting cost for many. Add to that the criminal justice costs/incarceration, and the personal toll on those who lose loved ones to gun violence.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:02:51am
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Nyet  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:03:21am

What is it I hear? Somebody shot at “David Duke without the baggage” from his favorite toys that he holds sacred?

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:04:23am

re: #38 wheat-dogg

Musician’s Friend.musiciansfriend.com

I’m a would be player, and bought some stuff from them to refurb my grandmother’s banjo.

The stage manager at the Capitol Theater joined in on the banjo jokes and dropped this one:

Q: What type of pickup do you put on a banjo?
A: Ford F-150.

He said he told that one to Bela Fleck just before he took the stage at the Cap one night. Said Bela didn’t like it much.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:04:23am
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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:05:35am

re: #117 The Vicious Babushka

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:05:40am

I’ve seen people matching that profile somewhere…just can’t put my finger on where exactly…

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:08:04am
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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:08:08am

re: #113 Big Beautiful Door

The Tree of Liberty stays thirsty, my friends.

The American Gods episode about guns was great at covering that.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:08:19am

re: #142 FormerDirtDart

Too soon to talk about gun control but how come we haven’t rounded up all the resisters and put them in FEMA camps already?

/

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:10:19am

re: #143 Shropshire Slasher

Jefferson always thought that the American future was agrarian. Hamilton thought industry/urbanization was the future proved right in the end.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:11:07am

Trumporrhoids who insist THEIR IS NO EVIDENSE!!!!!! of collusion with Russia are ready to round up and execute everyone who ever posted to #TheResistance hashtag

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:11:13am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:11:18am

re: #124 Anymouse

Free Republic as expected is already on the “liberals did it” train, trying to start Civil War 2, might be inconvenient so left-leaning sites will scrub the news, &c.
RedState warning their readers from jumping to conclusions.

Good grief, RedState, what kind of attempt at thoughtfulness is this? Are you cucked or what?

/////

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:11:30am

I’ll put my Alex Jones mask on right now….

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:11:36am

re: #155 lawhawk

Jefferson always thought that the American future was agrarian. Hamilton thought industry/urbanization was the future proved right in the end.

In a way they are both right, since agriculture is a huge part of the economy, even though most Americans don’t directly work in the field.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:14:03am

Lynch mob is swarming

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:15:07am
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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:15:24am

Take it from the quality of the source, but Glen Beck interviewed a witness, and said that the alleged shooter was asking in the parking lot whether there were Republicans and Democrats playing on the ball field.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:15:33am

re: #160 Big Beautiful Door

In a way they are both right, since agriculture is a huge part of the economy, even though most Americans don’t directly work in the field.

Yup. In the tornadoes the other day, no people were killed but a whole bunch of cattle were. That will cost a bunch of money. In addition, a lot of agricultural infrastructure was damaged in Kimball, Banner, Morrill, and Box Butte counties here. The damage estimates here are likely to be in the millions, even without the addition of the overturned train and torn up railroad tracks.

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Varek Raith  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:16:10am

Gee, look who showed up.
e_e

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:16:29am

re: #49 DodgerFan1988

Trump groupie Scott Adams defends Russia’s hacking of American elections because Russian Authoritarianism is more preferable than Western Democracy.

blog.dilbert.com

Sorry to see what has happened to this guy.

Also, too, I wish the wingnuts would keep their story straight: first, There was no Russian hack it was Seth Rich DNC leak!!!, and now OK so what it was Russia it was deserved we love Russia better than Dems.

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fern01  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:16:58am

Lots of thoughts and prayers doing the rounds - not seeing them having much impact in the gun violence stakes. Shame a few politicians don’t try some other options.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:17:47am

Man…. The bots abound!

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:18:10am

re: #161 The Vicious Babushka

Oh, “anonymous source”, OK. //

Of course, a note in a shooter’s pocket that tied a shooter to a wingnut group would be immediately denounced as FALSE FLAG and NO TRUE CONSERVATIVE, etc.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:18:55am

re: #165 Varek Raith

Gee, look who showed up.
e_e

??

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:19:21am

Has Alex Jones posted up any “False Flag” statements yet?

This will be priceless.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:19:54am

#161 The Vicious Babushka

But what about needing to water the tree of liberty from time to time?

//

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:19:58am

re: #165 Varek Raith

Is it Jesus?!
Quick, everyone look busy!
/

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:20:16am

Hot take dumbfuckery:

[Can’t find this tweet right now:
[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

]

Yeah, it’s John Nolte. Looks like LOLGOP got pwned.

Just ignore that there was nothing stopping any of those members from Congress from owning or carrying firearms in Virginia. In fact, VA has some of the most lax gun laws on the East Coast (they are a substantial source of firearms that are used in crimes elsewhere on the East Coast, especially in NYC). VA has a far higher per capita firearms death rate than NY too. That’s a correlation that the GOP/NRA don’t want people to realize. NY has a far larger population than VA, and yet VA saw more killed by firearms than NY did.

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Weaselone  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:20:43am

re: #169 Sir John Barron

Oh, “anonymous source”, OK. //

Of course, a note in a shooter’s pocket that tied a shooter to a wingnut group would be immediately denounced as FALSE FLAG and NO TRUE CONSERVATIVE, etc.

My guess is that the contents of the shooter’s pockets are more likely to be a wallet, a few pennies and nickel, a random flyer handed out by someone on the street and maybe a spare magazine.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:20:57am
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darthstar  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:21:07am
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:21:22am

re: #174 lawhawk

Hot take dumbfuckery:

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

Yeah, it’s John Nolte.

Just ignore that there was nothing stopping any of those members from Congress from owning or carrying firearms in Virginia. In fact, VA has some of the most lax gun laws on the East Coast (they are a substantial source of firearms that are used in crimes elsewhere on the East Coast, especially in NYC). VA has a far higher per capita firearms death rate than NY too. That’s a correlation that the GOP/NRA don’t want people to realize. NY has a far larger population than VA, and yet VA saw more killed by firearms than NY did.

GUN FREE ZONE!!!!

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:23:11am

re: #171 Dave In Austin

Has Alex Jones posted up any “False Flag” statements yet?

This will be priceless.

Even better….

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:23:38am

re: #179 Dr. Matt

Even better….

But SandyHook was a false flag hoax.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:24:17am

re: #177 darthstar

Left my twitter phone home as I usually do or else I wouldn’t get any work done. So I lurk at LGF and don’t get any work done.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:24:32am

re: #148 makeitstop

The stage manager at the Capitol Theater joined in on the banjo jokes and dropped this one:

Q: What type of pickup do you put on a banjo?
A: Ford F-150.

He said he told that one to Bela Fleck just before he took the stage at the Cap one night. Said Bela didn’t like it much.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:24:51am

re: #180 Sir John Barron

But SandyHook was a false flag hoax.

Except when the other side does it….
////

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:25:06am

Well, that didn’t take long … it’s already international news.
bbc.com

dw.com (although Deutche Welle’s top article is “seven dead in London fire”)

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:25:13am

re: #175 Weaselone

My guess is that the contents of the shooter’s pockets are more likely to be a wallet, a few pennies and nickel, a random flyer handed out by someone on the street and maybe a spare magazine.

I heard earlier he was in running clothes. So most likely all he had was an iPhone, a fitbit, and some earbuds…. oh and that rifle with 50 or so rounds.

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LastYearsMan  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:25:46am

America has always been a strange creature to me. But it’s painful seeing it go so badly off the rails. Nearly the entire civilized world looks at the gun violence and crazy politics and just doesnt understand. I’m living 100 miles from North Korea, but your country seem like the really crazy one.

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Varek Raith  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:26:27am

I don’t fucking care who did it.
Just another god damned idiot who should never have access to weaponry like an AR-15.
JFC.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:27:12am

re: #182 Eventual Carrion

Hee Hee, love the jokes guys.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:27:17am

Gun control. Now.

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:27:44am

re: #182 Eventual Carrion

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A couple more, courtesy of Dylan’s pedal steel player…

Q: What’s the difference between a banjo and a chainsaw?
A: You can play a ballad on a chainsaw.

Q: What’s the difference between a banjo and an onion?
A: Nobody cries when you cut up a banjo.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:28:28am

re: #189 Nyet

Gun control. Now.

Why are you politicizing this tragedy???!!!
/sort of?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:28:35am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:29:07am

One for Sergei on Holocaust denial:

German Media Refers to “Polish Death Camp” Again (goes to Radio Poland in English, more at the link)

Polish diplomats have said they will protest after a German newspaper described the Sobibor German Nazi WWII death camp as a “Polish” camp.
Photo: Azymut (Rafał M. Socha), Wikimedia Commons, CC BY-SA 4.0Photo: Azymut (Rafał M. Socha), Wikimedia Commons, CC BY-SA 4.0

Describing an exhibition by Otto Freundlich, a painter and sculptor of Jewish origin, the German Badische Zeitung daily said that he was killed in a “Polish” camp in 1943.

Poland’s Consul General in Munich, Andrzej Osiak, told Polish Radio that diplomats would “intervene in this matter.”

Anna Wawrzyszko, vice-president of a Polish association in Germany, said: “Writing about a ‘Polish’ camp today, when we mark the National Day of Remembrance of Victims of German Nazi Concentration Camps and Extermination Camps, is extremely distressing for Poles.”

The use of the term “Polish concentration camp” by international media outlets has sparked numerous complaints from Poland in recent years, prompting some news agencies to change their style guidelines.

In 2007, following a Polish request, the World Heritage Committee attempted to clarify the matter by listing the Auschwitz camp as a “German Nazi Concentration and Extermination Camp”.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:29:15am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:29:19am

re: #139 Barefoot Grin

I have to take my car in for maintenance—about a 2 hour job. I was just going to hang in the waiting area and lurk LGF, do some work. But I suspect the TV will be on Fox, so I think I’ll take the iPod, go for a walk and listen to some podcasts. Between London and VA shooting, it’s a very bad day indeed.

Smart move.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:29:48am

re: #194 The Vicious Babushka

I thought we libtards didn’t believe in or own guns?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:30:17am

Also this Twitter account appears to be a ratfucker

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:31:15am
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Varek Raith  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:32:20am

WTFHOLYMASSIVEPROJECTIONBATMAN!

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:32:30am

re: #190 makeitstop

A couple more, courtesy of Dylan’s pedal steel player…

Q: What’s the difference between a banjo and a chainsaw?
A: You can play a ballad on a chainsaw.

Q: What’s the difference between a banjo and an onion?
A: Nobody cries when you cut up a banjo.

My favorite:
Q: What’s the difference between a banjo and a vacuum cleaner?
A: You can pull the dirt bag off a vacuum cleaner.

I’ve got a bass player joke I like too, but heading out so I won’t type it now…got to tell it to Phil Lesh once. He laughed.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:32:32am

Looks like the wingnuts have their Reichstag fire

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:33:08am

re: #191 Ace Rothstein

Why are you politicizing this tragedy???!!!
/sort of?

Right after a shooting: It’s too soon! Why are you politicising tragedy for the families?

Time passes …

We don’t need new gun laws! That was a one-off!

I expect Jim Wright will be writing another of his “Bang Bang Crazy” series soon.

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LastYearsMan  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:33:09am

Always sadly appropriate.
theonion.com

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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:34:18am

I wonder if it’s too late to change my flight from the USA to a different country.

Just thinking out loud here.

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LastYearsMan  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:34:20am

When Frum is right…

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Skip Intro  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:34:51am

re: #79 Targetpractice

Now we watch the dancing skills of the GOP as they try everything they can to avoid the dreaded words: “gun control.”

Ironic since on Tuesday they were working on further relaxing gun controls and removing the ban on silencers.

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LastYearsMan  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:36:39am

re: #200 darthstar

I like some good banjo. All the best music jokes I know are about the viola. For example:

Q. How can you tell if a viola is out of tune?

A. The bow is moving.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:36:45am
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Varek Raith  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:36:59am

re: #208 Skip Intro

Ironic since on Tuesday they were working on further relaxing gun controls and removing the ban on silencers.

Wonderful!
Then this pos could’ve done this shooting in silence!
/Rage

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:37:12am

re: #208 Skip Intro

Ironic since on Tuesday they were working on further relaxing gun controls and removing the ban on silencers.

Silencers are good, that way people’s days aren’t interrupted by all the shootings.

///

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:37:36am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:37:42am

re: #211 Varek Raith

Wonderful!
Then this pos could’ve done this shooting in silence!
/Rage

Which could have gotten a lot more people hurt or killed.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:37:54am

I can’t block these fuckers fast enough

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:37:57am

re: #193 Anymouse

I understand the ignorance of the US media when they distort basic history, but the German media should know better.

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covfefe  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:37:59am

re: #192 The Vicious Babushka

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:38:44am

Amazing how quickly the right wing nutters are jumping on the bandwagon that it was a Democrat or leftist who was behind the shooting based on early assertions/claims - or no evidence at all.

Well, no not amazing. It’s groupthink combined with the ability to demonize entire political parties as an enemy, using the language of their standard bearer Trump (who did the same thing throughout his campaign and since being in the WH).

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:39:36am

The left: This is why we need gun control.
The right: Let’s see who did it first. But it won’t require gun control.

We know, by the way, that there are plenty of people on the right that don’t think the Republicans are doing enough.

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Jenner7  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:39:44am

I’m pretty sure Trump will say something stupid and outrageous. His son already retweeted something stupid.

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scottslemmons  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:39:56am

Clearly my fault.

(keeps watching Cabin in the Woods)

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:40:32am
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covfefe  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:40:43am

Re: the silencer thing. It’s attempting to be passed under the guise of “hearing protection”. I kid you not.

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Jenner7  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:40:53am

Source say it’s a “deliberate attack”. Um, you think?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:41:03am

re: #223 covfefe

Re: the silencer thing. It’s attempting to be passed under the guise of “hearing protection”. I kid you not.

Yes I’ve heard that.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:41:15am

re: #220 Jenner7

I’m pretty sure Trump will say something stupid and outrageous. His son already retweeted something stupid.

Which one? Dumb or Dumber?

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:41:21am

This looks like a good time to run some errands & get some work done. I wish I had a fishing boat.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:41:32am

Is there any evidence that it was a leftist and not some alt-right neo-Nazi who hates the establishment of both parties?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:41:34am

usatoday.com

Damn that violent left. //

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:41:55am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:42:00am

re: #228 Nyet

Is there any evidence that it was a leftist and not some alt-right neo-Nazi who hates the establishment of both parties?

None, just the anon source that said he asked who was on the field.

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LastYearsMan  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:42:04am

re: #219 Belafon

The left: This is why we need gun control.

Personally I think what’s needed is stupid control. After all, the US has more guns than people…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:42:13am

re: #228 Nyet

Is there any evidence that it was a leftist and not some alt-right neo-Nazi who hates the establishment of both parties?

I think the only thing they are going on is literally the fact that the congressman who was wounded is a Republican.

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covfefe  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:42:23am

re: #225 HappyWarrior

I mean. As a gun owner myself, a silencer would be cool. But no. They are in no way needed by anyone not in the military.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:42:57am

re: #234 covfefe

I mean. As a gun owner myself, a silencer would be cool. But no. They are in no way needed by anyone not in the military.

Right I hear you.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:43:08am

re: #227 (Bert the Turtle)

This looks like a good time to run some errands & get some work done. I wish I had a fishing boat.

Good news: I’m going on a fishing trip this weekend. Bad news: It’s with fishfolk… which means I will undoubtedly get an earful on the ebil left over this incident while I am there.

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Jenner7  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:43:25am

re: #226 Ace Rothstein

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:43:27am

re: #227 (Bert the Turtle)

This looks like a good time to run some errands & get some work done. I wish I had a fishing boat.

Your temporary theme song:

Lyle Lovett - If I Had A Boat

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:43:30am

re: #228 Nyet

Is there any evidence that it was a leftist and not some alt-right neo-Nazi who hates the establishment of both parties?

Clearly it’s an anti-gun, tree hugging, anti-2A librul hippy.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:43:51am

re: #231 HappyWarrior

Yep. Remember the Garrison cartoon where both parties are two feet of one monster?

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covfefe  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:44:18am

re: #235 HappyWarrior

That’s because I don’t have a silencer.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:44:23am

re: #237 Jenner7

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First off, Dumbo Jr, you are a NY elite and second of all, the play is older than your father’s crush on your sister.

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Skip Intro  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:44:35am

re: #223 covfefe

Re: the silencer thing. It’s attempting to be passed under the guise of “hearing protection”. I kid you not.

Next up they’ll legalize fully automatic weapons under the Carpal Tunnel Reduction Act.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:45:23am

re: #240 Nyet

Yep. Remember the Garrison cartoon where both parties are two feet of one monster?

Never saw that one but it’s well known that the R base hates the R leadership a lot too. I don’t know who the hell did this and I don’t care. Claiming it was a lefty is just irresponsible bullshit.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:45:23am

re: #209 LastYearsMan

Might be getting one of these, Gold Tone CC-100R. Waiting on a reply from the owner. I took the boy to the music store about a month ago and had a great time playing a good time banjo for about three hours. Never played one before but man it would be nice to have one.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:45:43am

re: #223 covfefe

Re: the silencer thing. It’s attempting to be passed under the guise of “hearing protection”. I kid you not.

You can’t have a straight debate on this, there are nearly no accurate statements made by anyone involved. For or against. As one of the few who have seen sound meter measurements on smaller guns with and without… My data has no place in the discussion.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:45:55am

re: #239 Dr. Matt

Who rainbow-farted at David Duke WTB.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:46:00am

re: #243 Skip Intro

Next up they’ll legalize fully automatic weapons under the Carpal Tunnel Reduction Act.

Gunz for Kidz to teach kids weightlifting?

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:46:25am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:46:52am

re: #246 Unshaken Defiance

You can’t have a straight debate on this, there are nearly no accurate statements made by anyone involved. For or against.

I think he’s talking about the proposed legislation involved regarding silencers being made out to be about hearing protection rather than the shooting itself.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:47:13am

re: #216 Nyet

I understand the ignorance of the US media when they distort basic history, but the German media should know better.

Well, as the article notes, Poland has been ramping up complaints about this. (When it was under Communist rule, the Party generally didn’t bother with the Holocaust at all.)

It also notes several news agencies upon receipt of requests to change their reporting have updated their style manuals to note they were Nazi concentration and extermination camps, not Polish.

(The style manual my publisher uses, though they deal with Romance stories and not the Holocaust, also notes that they should be referred to as Nazi camps if the issue comes up.)

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:47:38am

re: #236 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Good news: I’m going on a fishing trip this weekend. Bad news: It’s with fishfolk… which means I will undoubtedly get an earful on the ebil left over this incident while I am there.

Really? Man, that’s rule #1 on any fishing expedition… keep it light. Good luck! Especially if you’re going after the ever elusive and cunning Muskellunge. I’ve never caught one while trying, that seems to be the trick.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:47:41am

re: #243 Skip Intro

The bullshit silencer thing is being promoted by people who supposedly don’t want to scare away the game.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:48:08am

Virginia does have lax gun laws and I hope Northam uses this and other incidents to talk about it. He has enormous credibility on the issue both as a physician who treated combat wounds as an Army doctor in Desert Storm and as a civilian doctor here stateside.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:48:33am

#232 LastYearsMan:

Personally I think what’s needed is stupid control. After all, the US has more guns than people…

And that’s all I mean by gun control. Rational people ought to be able to speak up and say “That man’s a crazy idiot, and shouldn’t have guns” and prevent a person from getting or keeping his guns. Rational people would also say that high powered guns should only be available for fun at a gun range.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:48:46am

re: #234 covfefe

I mean. As a gun owner myself, a silencer would be cool. But no. They are in no way needed by anyone not in the military.

I could make an argument the Central Intelligence Agency might also need them.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:50:19am

Here is another idiot to block:

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:51:22am

#237 Jenner7

Someone needs to ask Harlan if he or she actually knows what Julius Caesar is about.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:51:37am

Good time to avoid Twitter. Y’all have fun blocking and muting.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:52:16am

re: #252 (Bert the Turtle)

Really? Man, that’s rule #1 on any fishing expedition… keep it light. Good luck! Especially if you’re going after the ever elusive and cunning Muskellunge. I’ve never caught one while trying, that seems to be the trick.

I’m not out for muskies, I tend to go for bass. I catch a few sunfish and the occasional northern pike (stupid buggers), but bass are the ones I really get excited about. I lost interest in bottom feeders back when I was in Indiana catching catfish.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:52:36am

re: #257 The Vicious Babushka

Here is another idiot to block:

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Aren’t these the same people who used the often abused quote aboutt the blood of patriots on the liberty tree? Gee guys, it’s not so fun when your people get shot. Difference here is prominent liberals aren’t blaming the victims like people like Glenn Beck did after Brevik’s shooting.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:53:08am

re: #258 Belafon

#237 Jenner7

Someone needs to ask Harlan if he or she actually knows what Julius Caesar is about.

It’s about a salad with a funny mustache making wise cracks right?!?!

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:53:20am

re: #250 HappyWarrior

I think he’s talking about the proposed legislation involved regarding silencers being made out to be about hearing protection rather than the shooting itself.

Yes, and it duly reflects the nature of the silencer discussion/debate. Might be the most fact free part of the entire gun capacity/type/configuration debate as gun laws are made. To be clear, I don’t have objections to the California ban on them. The abuse and lack of facts in that process just leaves an awful taste anyway.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:53:46am

re: #255 Belafon

#232 LastYearsMan:

And that’s all I mean by gun control. Rational people ought to be able to speak up and say “That man’s a crazy idiot, and shouldn’t have guns” and prevent a person from getting or keeping his guns. Rational people would also say that high powered guns should only be available for fun at a gun range.

And the argument then devolves into “what constitutes crazy idiot.” Who makes those determinations? What information could be included? A social media post? A witness from twenty years ago? The argument would get lost in the weeds.

I’m for titling guns like homes and cars. You sell it, you make damn sure the title is transferred because the name on the title is the first person the cops go to. Stolen? You make damn sure there’s a police report. Untitled? Fine (and you don’t get it back until it is titled).

For safety, enact the NRA’s exact gun safety rules for negligent handling of a gun. Watch the NRA twist up in knots disavowing their own rules.

Would that stop all shootings, of course not, just as drunk drive laws don’t stop drunk driving. It gives you the tools to punish non-compliance.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:54:06am

re: #263 Unshaken Defiance

Yes, and it duly reflects the nature of the silencer discussion/debate. Might be the most fact free part of the entire gun capacity/type/configuration debate as gun laws are made. To be clear, I don’t have objections to the California ban on them. The abuse and lack of facts in that process just leaves an awful taste anyway.

Gotcha.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:55:50am

re: #259 wheat-dogg

Good time to avoid Twitter. Y’all have fun blocking and muting.

Another reason for me not to join Twitter. I don’t need that crap.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:56:44am

re: #264 Anymouse

And the argument then devolves into “what constitutes crazy idiot.” Who makes those determinations? What information could be included? A social media post? A witness from twenty years ago? The argument would get lost in the weeds.

I’m for titling guns like homes and cars. You sell it, you make damn sure the title is transferred because the name on the title is the first person the cops go to. Stolen? You make damn sure there’s a police report. Untitled? Fine (and you don’t get it back until it is titled).

For safety, enact the NRA’s exact gun safety rules for negligent handling of a gun. Watch the NRA twist up in knots disavowing their own rules.

Would that stop all shootings, of course not, just as drunk drive laws don’t stop drunk driving. It gives you the tools to punish non-compliance.

The right’s logic on gun violence is “You’re never going to prevent all acts of gun violence so why even try.” It’s absurd. Have seat belts, air traffic safety regs, bicycle and motorcycle helmets completely eliminated accidents and tatalieis involving those? No, they have not but they have noticeably reduced them. There’s an often cited anecdote referencing WWI that head injuries went up after the introduction of helmets. It was people were in fact surviving more head injuries. It’s kind of why “autism has gone up so much”, we know more now.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:58:04am

My wife is making two homemade pizzas now. (One with anchovies and one without).

I suggested pineapples and she went “bleah” - she wants spinach instead.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:00:45am

One of those awful facts about home defense is that a few shots from a .45 pistol in your hallway, in a perfectly legit and necessary circumstance will compromise your hearing beyond repair.

Edit-oops actually meant to dump that as an answer where nobody asked the question, but don’t want to just delete it. But again bad guys could exploit “silencers” far too much to make them flat out legal.

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caseyjr  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:01:57am

re: #143 Shropshire Slasher

Erie Canal’s bicentennial year

The canal boat culture thrived for 100 years and then passed away completely, leaving a few folk songs and poorly-remebered anecdotes. But it was the engineering marvel and a boon to commerce in its day.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:02:17am

‪If Democratic politicians were shot today, the Right would still be blaming the Left claiming it was a false flag/plant/Soros protester. ‬

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:02:26am

First tropical disturbance pushes off Africa near the Cape Verde Islands … low chance of development at this time.

As a reminder, Trump has not nominated a NOAA head or a FEMA head.
nhc.noaa.gov

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:02:51am

re: #260 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I have always had good luck with a silver/black jointed rapala (yes spend the money, balsa wood rapala) and large mouth bass. Just cast toward structure on the shore and “pop” it back.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:03:32am

re: #270 caseyjr

The canal boat culture thrived for 100 years and then passed away completely, leaving a few folk songs and poorly-remebered anecdotes. But it was the engineering marvel and a boon to commerce in its day.

I’m rereading What Hath God Wrought: The Transformation of America, 1815-1848 and the author spends a lot of time talking about how significant the Erie Canal was.

(It’s a very good book for anyone interested.)

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:03:57am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:04:10am

re: #274 Timothy Watson

I’m rereading What Hath God Wrought: The Transformation of America, 1815-1848 and the author spends a lot of time talking about how significant the Erie Canal was.

(It’s a very good for anyone interested.)

Lots of immigrant help but I believe Native Americans too.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:04:14am

re: #269 Unshaken Defiance

One of those awful facts about home defense is that a few shots from a .45 pistol in your hallway, in a perfectly legit and necessary circumstance will compromise your hearing beyond repair.

Yup. That, and aiming a pistol in the dark when you just woke up in the middle of the night is not good odds to hit anything.

That’s why I have a shotgun. Don’t really need to aim.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:04:37am
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Eventual Carrion  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:06:00am

re: #192 The Vicious Babushka

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Shakespeare was a LIBITARD!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:06:22am
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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:06:45am

Don’t make much of it. They’ve cancelled most business for the day

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:06:54am

re: #278 The Vicious Babushka

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Fuck off Jack seriously.

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LastYearsMan  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:08:21am

re: #264 Anymouse

Well said. All I know is, I’ve lived in a lot of countries. I now live close to North Korea. But the only place I’ve been mugged by a gun was America. Why Americans can’t see they’ve gone from The City on the Hill to the crazies in the swill, I have no idea.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:09:50am

re: #279 Eventual Carrion

Shakespeare was a LIBITARD!

You need, thinking about it, I wonder how Shakespeare got away with making a play which included a political assassination. You’d think the Crown would spike it, wouldn’t you?

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:09:57am

re: #274 Timothy Watson

I’m rereading What Hath God Wrought: The Transformation of America, 1815-1848 and the author spends a lot of time talking about how significant the Erie Canal was.

(It’s a very good for anyone interested.)

Thanks for the recommendation. I’ve been fascinated by the growth of newspapers and the postal service in this period—two of many agents contracting the distance between frontier and east coast. (And yes, I’m in the car dealership, but avoiding the TV news; not good walking around here.)

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:11:04am

re: #283 LastYearsMan

Well said. All I know is, I’ve lived in a lot of countries. I now live close to North Korea. But the only place I’ve been mugged by a gun was America. Why Americans can’t see they’ve gone from The City on the Hill to the crazies in the swill, I have no idea.

There was an awful lot of crazy in the City on the Hill, too.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:11:04am

re: #277 Anymouse

If your home is not set up well enough to buy you time to do the right thing, you are doing it wrong. Geez technology makes good security so much easier than in the past. I mean too many would say $900 Sig Sauer good, $600 encrypted wireless cameras with face recognition and motion algorithms are a waste of money. No need for that monthly monitoring. Good doors and windows that lock, SimpliSafe and 911. So few need more than that.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:11:36am

re: #283 LastYearsMan

Well said. All I know is, I’ve lived in a lot of countries. I now live close to North Korea. But the only place I’ve been mugged by a gun was America. Why Americans can’t see they’ve gone from The City on the Hill to the crazies in the swill, I have no idea.

Are you in SK, or in China?

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:12:02am

re: #274 Timothy Watson

Clinton’s Ditch (DeWitt Clinton, that is).

It was one of the keys to opening up economic development to the West of the original Colonies, turned NYC into the major shipping hub in the country, and transformed how the nation communicates and travels. While it was quickly superseded by railroads, it showed how transportation would go on to shape the development of the nation (it is now operated by the NYS Thruway Authority and nearly all traffic on the canal is for pleasure/personal, not commercial/cargo purposes).

The canal quickly paid back its debt and became a huge revenue generator for NY and the federal government.

The canal also ended up being used as part of the Underground Railroad to help escaping slaves make it to Canada.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:12:13am

re: #284 Big Beautiful Door

You need, thinking about it, I wonder how Shakespeare got away with making a play which included a political assassination. You’d think the Crown would spike it, wouldn’t you?

I was thinking about that reading Richard II in college. I really thought Shakespeare was inspired by the events of Elizabeth I and Mary Queen of Scots, two other royal cousins with another who met their end with a wink and nudge by the cousin.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:13:02am

re: #289 lawhawk

Clinton’s Ditch (DeWitt Clinton, that is).

It was one of the keys to opening up economic development to the West of the original Colonies, turned NYC into the major shipping hub in the country, and transformed how the nation communicates and travels. While it was quickly superseded by railroads, it showed how transportation would go on to shape the development of the nation (it is now operated by the NYS Thruway Authority and nearly all traffic on the canal is for pleasure/personal, not commercial/cargo purposes).

The canal quickly paid back its debt and became a huge revenue generator for NY and the federal government.

The canal also ended up being used as part of the Underground Railroad to help escaping slaves make it to Canada.

Hey LH, did NJ have tis primaries yesterday too? Both my candidates I worked for lost but I’m not crying. Disappointed but them’s the breaks.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:14:31am

Four years of news articles that include “The President tweeted…”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:16:36am

re: #287 Unshaken Defiance

If your home is not set up well enough to buy you time to do the right thing, you are doing it wrong. Geez technology makes good security so much easier than in the past. I mean too many would say $900 Sig Sauer good, $600 encrypted wireless cameras with face recognition and motion algorithms are a waste of money. No need for that monthly monitoring. Good doors and windows that lock, SimpliSafe and 911. So few need more than that.

Encrypted wireless cameras … to do what? Unlock the doors of my hundred three year old house? To broadcast where? To my home computer because that’s the only thing they could reach.

To replace all my doors and windows would cost far more than I have in money. (Getting anyone out to where I live costs a bunch even before they do the work.) I don’t know what SimpliSafe is (sounds expensive).

The sheriff’s office is sixteen miles away with one deputy and one car. I’m guessing right now they are over in Bayard dealing with the aftermath of the tornadoes (see the videos and articles above). We got nothin’ here. (That might be why there are more guns in this town than people, not counting the gun shop.)

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:17:06am

Well really hoping the motive was not political. If it was, it’s domestic terrorism by a self radicalized white mid aged male (attempted only I hope) killer.

Must be from one of the travel ban nations.
/// *dripping*

If it was a guy looking to kills Dems this is going to get thick fast in the media. Good intentions and facts will flee first.

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mmmirele  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:17:39am

Hope this comes through OK. It’s a long Twitter thread but it’s an alternately entertaining and educational story. The point is that like this sales force with fake quotes, Twitter has racists followed by bot farms. Get rid of the bots, then Twitter will be forced to deal with the fact that it’s been protecting racists.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:21:03am
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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:21:39am

re: #293 Anymouse

I hope it’s understood my point is general. Sizes vary. Maybe like you I got guns before SimpliSafe existed. Or the internet but who cares.

Imagine for a second you have not yet bought the guns. Look about and imagine the same money spent on making it a more difficult place to break into quietly and easily instead first. Then of course one must consider the likelihood of serious trouble.

By all means add it up and do whats right for you and your location. If the equation comes up to include that shotgun, I have zero objection.

Off to work bbl

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:22:00am

re: #294 Unshaken Defiance

Well really hoping the motive was not political. If it was, it’s domestic terrorism by a self radicalized white mid aged male (attempted only I hope) killer.

Must be from one of the travel ban nations.
/// *dripping*

If it was a guy looking to kills Dems this is going to get thick fast in the media. Good intentions and facts will flee first.

The wingnuts are already devout in their faith that this was a dedicated, card-carrying member of #TheResistance terror cell who was inspired by Kathy Griffin and the production of Julius Caesar.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:24:20am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:24:42am
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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:27:48am
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Myron Falwell  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:28:14am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:28:40am

The wingnut in Florida with all the guns and explosives, who was originally granted bail, had that bail revoked on protest by the DOJ.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:28:44am

re: #299 Dr. Matt

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He’s become my favorite conservative. I used an op-ed he wrote to write a conservative support of CFR- I included liberal reasons too but I wanted to cover conservative proponents of CFR and lefty opponents of it oto.

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Jenner7  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:28:46am

I almost laughed, because you know…..Trump.

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Apocalypse  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:28:50am

It really boggles the mind, its either the “left” don’t have guns to protect themselves or RPK owners with an itchy finger. Not both, though it can be neither.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:29:36am

re: #301 FormerDirtDart

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Project much, Mr. Sandy Hoax Was a Hoax?

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:29:57am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:30:32am
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Apocalypse  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:30:50am

I’m starting to think the Twitbots think that Liberal Crime Squad is an instruction manual.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:32:21am

re: #308 Dr. Matt

Cue wingnuts = There’s no such thing as an “assault rifle.”

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:32:25am
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LastYearsMan  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:33:30am

re: #288 wheat-dogg

Are you in SK, or in China?

SK usually. Traveling now.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:33:44am

re: #189 Nyet

Gun control. Now.

This will lead to more gun sales. More open and concealed carry laws too. That is how gun control works in the U.S.A.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:34:19am

Always worth sharing and resharing.

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caseyjr  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:35:13am
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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:35:20am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

NJ primaries were last week (when I was off recharging the batteries). Phil Murphy won handily for Democrats. Kim Guadagno won for the GOP (Christie’s current Lt. Gov).

The knock against Murphy is that he’s another one of the Goldman Sachs guys (in the Corzine mold). But there was little room between him and the other Democrats in the field on the issues.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:35:21am

re: #27 Single-handed sailor

This is why I love living in over-regulated California.

People killing fires vs. Job killing regulations. Only a moral dilemma for the Republican Party.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:36:06am

re: #311 Anymouse

Cue wingnuts = There’s no such thing as an “assault rifle.”

Dark Falcon would be foaming with indignation.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:36:21am

re: #314 ObserverArt

This will lead to more gun sales. More open and concealed carry laws too. That is how gun control works in the U.S.A.

You’d think that this would be a wake-up call. But Sandy Hook wasn’t. Nothing ever has been. Nothing probably ever will.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:36:59am

re: #317 lawhawk

NJ primaries were last week (when I was off recharging the batteries). Phil Murphy won handily for Democrats. Kim Guadagno won for the GOP (Christie’s current Lt. Gov).

The knock against Murphy is that he’s another one of the Goldman Sachs guys (in the Corzine mold). But there was little room between him and the other Democrats in the field on the issues.

Oh okay, didn’t get much coverage I guess. NOrtham as you saw won last night here in Va. Wasn’t my choice but I like and respect him.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:37:04am

Threats are coming now.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:37:36am

re: #319 Dr. Matt

Dark Falcon would be foaming with indignation.

It really pissed me off when he went all pedant about that stuff.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:38:45am

re: #322 The Vicious Babushka

Threats are coming now.

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Sorry but we never wished violence on tehse guys. We want them to be held accountable and it wasn’t us who talked about our opponents needing 2nd amendment solutions so fuck off and go back under teh right wing cave you crawled out under.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:39:09am

re: #308 Dr. Matt

Can you even buy an M4 carbine in a civilian gun shop?

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:39:21am

Here’s another book recommendation: Columbine by Dave Cullen

Cullen talks about how many things the media (including himself) got wrong and never bothered to correct.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:39:27am

Just saw this….for what it’s worth

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caseyjr  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:40:34am

re: #327 Dr. Matt

Just saw this….for what it’s worth

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they will regurgitate this , if at all, that he was a spotter.

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plansbandc  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:40:42am

I wonder why, when it’s a right wing shooter it’s always a “lone wolf” but when the shooter is allegedly left wing, he’s part of a planned attack condoned by all leftists? Hmm.

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Weaselone  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:40:47am

re: #327 Dr. Matt

Just saw this….for what it’s worth

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Too late. It’s gospel now. Except the nuts will actually remember it, unlike the actual gospels.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:40:49am

re: #323 HappyWarrior

It really pissed me off when he went all pedant about that stuff.

Not to pile on the dead, but I remember him getting all pissy because I was criticizing the AR15. It was a LOL moment.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:40:53am

re: #228 Nyet

Is there any evidence that it was a leftist and not some alt-right neo-Nazi who hates the establishment of both parties?

It’s too late to speculate. /

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:41:02am

re: #319 Dr. Matt

Dark Falcon would be foaming with indignation.

Even though the military calls them assault rifles.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:41:30am

re: #331 Dr. Matt

Not to pile on the dead, but I remember him getting all pissy because I was criticizing the AR15. It was a LOL moment.

You know as I recall he didn’t even own any guns.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:41:59am

re: #303 Anymouse

The wingnut in Florida with all the guns and explosives, who was originally granted bail, had that bail revoked on protest by the DOJ.

Lefties and antifas’s are the only violent ones.

//

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Apocalypse  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:42:20am

re: #334 HappyWarrior

Which makes it all the more pathetic.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:42:32am

re: #333 Anymouse

Even though the military calls them assault rifles.

I own two, I’m a vet, and I call them as such. Conservative Snowflakes getting outraged over words. :(

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:42:50am

re: #336 Apocalypse

Which makes it all the more pathetic.

He would be the world’s biggest gun control supporter if the GOP supported gun control.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:44:05am
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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:44:33am

re: #244 HappyWarrior

Never saw that one but it’s well known that the R base hates the R leadership a lot too. I don’t know who the hell did this and I don’t care. Claiming it was a lefty is just irresponsible bullshit.

Irresponsible bullshit is much of our media’s method of getting eyes to their publications and sites.

And this is the outcome.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:44:51am

re: #339 Dr. Matt

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Maybe I can say something as a chubby white guy?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:45:08am

re: #322 The Vicious Babushka

Hey, #TheResistance, the Alexandria shooting is blood on your hands.
I hope you’re ready for the fallout that will happen.

— P.W

What kind of fall-out might that be, mister anonymous tweeter?

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danarchy  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:45:18am

re: #272 Anymouse

First tropical disturbance pushes off Africa near the Cape Verde Islands … low chance of development at this time.

As a reminder, Trump has not nominated a NOAA head or a FEMA head.
nhc.noaa.gov

Not sure about NOAA but there is a FEMA nominee, Brock Long and he actually looks qualified.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:46:01am

re: #342 Sir John Barron

What kind of fall-out might that be, mister anonymous tweeter?

We might have to shoot you. //

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:46:25am

re: #334 HappyWarrior

You know as I recall he didn’t even own any guns.

I have an AR-15 (full-size, not a carbine). Also a semi-automatic AK-47 clone, a shotgun, a couple handguns…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:46:48am

re: #340 ObserverArt

Irresponsible bullshit is much of our media’s method of getting eyes to their publications and sites.

And this is the outcome.

The “mainstream” media’s problem is that they’re attempting to compete with social media. The thing is, there’s no competition there; social media will always, always be a faster source of information than traditional media. Where they can distinguish themselves is in providing reliable, factual, sourced reporting, as opposed to the unsourced bullshit that flows freely from Twitter and Facebook. Unfortunately, they’d rather get caught up in the “scoop cycle” and try to outgun Twitter (ironically, by using it as a primary source), rather than deliver quality reporting.

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Franklin  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:47:11am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:47:12am

re: #345 Timothy Watson

I have an AR-15 (full-size, not a carbine). Also a semi-automatic AK-47 clone, a shotgun, a couple handguns…

I don’t own any. Never really in my interest or bduget.

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Apocalypse  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:47:55am

re: #337 Dr. Matt

Quick question: Is that to qualify the difference between small-caliber “fast” Assault and larger-caliber “slow” Battle rifle?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:48:02am

re: #347 Franklin

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His Dad was missed this year. He seemed to be a guy who had fun doing his job.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:48:14am

The reason I don’t think it’s a leftist-member-of-the-resistance: It wouldn’t take any of us 50 bullets to hit four people.

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I cannot.  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:48:21am

re: #343 danarchy

If he looks qualified as far as the skills for the job, then there IS something else, maybe owns stock in companies he will be contracting with, or dead girl/live boy, or something.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:50:00am

re: #302 Myron Falwell

20 elementary kids were murdered at Sandy Hook and we did nothing. My outrage well on this issue has run dry.

— John Aravosis

This is completely diff….

/

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:50:54am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:50:59am

re: #298 The Vicious Babushka

The wingnuts are already devout in their faith that this was a dedicated, card-carrying member of #TheResistance terror cell who was inspired by Kathy Griffin and the production of Julius Caesar.

Wingnuts sure getting mighty snowlflakey

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:51:11am

Shooter identified by law enforcement officials as James T. Hodgkinson
The shooter at the GOP congressional baseball practice this morning is James T. Hodgkinson of Belleville, Ill., according to law enforcement officials. Hodgkinson, 66, owns a home inspection business. His home inspection license expired in November 2016 and was not renewed, state records show.

Hodgkinson was charged in April 2006 with battery and aiding damage to a motor vehicle, according to online records in St. Clair County, Illinois. The charges were dismissed, records show.

washingtonpost.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:51:16am

re: #337 Dr. Matt

I own two, I’m a vet, and I call them as such. Conservative Snowflakes getting outraged over words. :(

But we’re the ones into PC speech.

We called magazines “clips.”
We called carbines “assault rifles.”
&c

Is there anything that’s not projection with conservatives?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:51:49am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:52:44am

re: #354 The Vicious Babushka

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LOL tough guy would shit his pants if ever faced with a real jiahdi.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:53:05am

re: #322 The Vicious Babushka

Maybe the president will come forward and settle his followers down./

“…Repeating his contention that Mrs. Clinton wanted to abolish the right to bear arms, Mr. Trump warned at a rally here that it would be “a horrible day” if Mrs. Clinton were elected and got to appoint a tiebreaking Supreme Court justice.

“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks,” Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”
nytimes.com

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Bass Reeves  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:53:22am

re: #293 Anymouse

So many guns, how much crime?

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Franklin  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:53:34am

re: #356 Timothy Watson

He has FB page I am not going to post here. Based on the description in that WaPo article it looks like it could be his.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:53:55am

re: #215 The Vicious Babushka

I can’t block these fuckers fast enough

Another brave, anonymous wingnut tweeter.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:53:58am

Illinois?!?!?!?

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:54:36am

re: #349 Apocalypse

Quick question: Is that to qualify the difference between small-caliber “fast” Assault and larger-caliber “slow” Battle rifle?

Lots of different ways to classify military and military-style weapons. But the general classifications are: submachine guns ( fully automatic that fire pistol rounds), assault rifles (usually magazine fed and fire rifle rounds), and machine gun variants (fire a wide range of rifle and large caliber rounds, usually belt fed, and fully automatic).

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:54:56am

Shooter’s LinkedIn has Ted Cruz as an “Interest”
linkedin.com

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:55:19am
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blueraven  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:55:42am

Suspect’s Facebook?

facebook.com

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Apocalypse  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:55:59am

re: #366 Timothy Watson

I thought Ted’s page was the only one who had interest in Ted.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:56:05am

re: #367 jaunte

What does it tell us?

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Jenner7  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:56:26am

Buckle up.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:57:21am

re: #368 blueraven

Suspect’s Facebook?

facebook.com

Well, shit.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:57:45am

re: #349 Apocalypse

Quick question: Is that to qualify the difference between small-caliber “fast” Assault and larger-caliber “slow” Battle rifle?

Carbine and assault rifle are largely interchangeable; the difference is a carbine has a shorter barrel for close-in combat or weight, at the expense of accuracy. (Strictly, an assault rifle has selective fire and detachable magazines - the term was invented by Hitler interestingly enough.) A carbine can be an assault rifle but can be a single-fire rifle (even something like a bolt-action rifle).

AR-15’s have detachable magazines but are not selective fire. (They can be modified for that though, which makes the term somewhat grey - however, since they meet all the other features, it’s really a distinction without a difference.)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:58:22am

Well they got their narrative.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:58:25am

re: #372 Timothy Watson

Well, shit.

Yeah.

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blueraven  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:58:26am

re: #370 Sir John Barron

What does it tell us?

Bernie is his banner photo.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:58:31am

re: #370 Sir John Barron

Probably not a centrist.

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Bubblehead II  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:58:44am

re: #370 Sir John Barron

What does it tell us?

Bernie Sanders supporter

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:59:02am

A Bernie Bro?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:59:12am

re: #379 Dr. Matt

A Bernie Bro?

Yes.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:59:27am

re: #368 blueraven

Suspect’s Facebook?

facebook.com

And at least this one too…
Appears to be same guy
facebook.com

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Apocalypse  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:59:42am

re: #373 Anymouse

(Strictly, an assault rifle has selective fire and detachable magazines - the term was invented by Hitler interestingly enough.)

STG44 if I remember correctly.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:59:49am

re: #379 Dr. Matt

A Bernie Bro?

#NeverHillary

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:59:59am

Ratfucker

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:59:59am

#372 Timothy Watson:

What? I can’t facebook at work.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:00:01am

re: #376 blueraven

Bernie is his banner photo.

Wonderful.

/

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:00:33am

re: #380 HappyWarrior

Yes.

This shooter will be made a stand-in for all Democrats but the numerous wingnut shooters of the past eight years were all lone-wolves.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:00:49am

re: #387 Sir John Barron

This shooter will be made a stand-in for all Democrats but the numerous wingnut shooters of the past eight years were all lone-wolves.

Exactly. Fuck me.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:01:08am

The shooting affects real people and real lives, like the kids of Congressional members. The same Congressional members who have no problem making sure that firearms are easily available so that someone could carry out a heinous and barbaric .

Yeah, I’m going there.

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Weaselone  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:01:43am

re: #387 Sir John Barron

This shooter will be made a stand-in for all Democrats but the numerous wingnut shooters of the past eight years were all lone-wolves.

Maybe we should helpfully point out that Bernie isn’t a Democrat.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:01:47am

re: #389 lawhawk

Mo Brooks is fine with that.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:01:57am

*shrug* I’ll let Bernie deal with it then.

Half-/

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:02:15am

re: #389 lawhawk

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The shooting affects real people and real lives, like the kids of Congressional members. The same Congressional members who have no problem making sure that firearms are easily available so that someone could carry out a heinous and barbaric .

Yeah, I’m going there.

You have every right to go there. Maybe this coming close to home is what inspires Congressional Republicans to actually do something reasonable about guns.

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Interesting Times  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:02:18am

re: #371 Jenner7

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Buckle up.

Be prepared for this (not written by trump, of course, but bannon could totally come up with it):

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:02:29am

re: #380 HappyWarrior

Yes.

FFS.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:02:42am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:02:48am

re: #392 Nyet

*shrug* I’ll let Bernie deal with it then.

Half-/

I don’t like Bernie at all Sergey but from what I’ve seen, he’s never used violent rhetoric.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:03:33am
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:03:38am

re: #392 Nyet

*shrug* I’ll let Bernie deal with it then.

Half-/

I wouldn’t trust Bernie with a ball of string. We need an adult to handle this, not a 70-year-old man-child.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:03:51am

re: #396 jaunte

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FFS stop saying that we want to get rid of the 2nd amendment. We’re talking about reasonable things like yeah seeing if he has a criminal ercord which your asshole friends at teh NRA oppose.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:04:06am

re: #358 The Vicious Babushka

NBC Nightly News ✔ @NBCNightlyNews
BREAKING: Sources: Gunman in Va. congressional baseball practice shooting identified as James Hodgkinson, of Illinois - @PeteWilliamsNBC
10:51 AM - 14 Jun 2017
134 134 Retweets 55 55 likes

They said he is 67 years old.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:04:28am

re: #398 jaunte

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He was from Illinois though. We’ll see though.

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Weaselone  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:04:36am

re: #399 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I wouldn’t trust Bernie with a ball of string. We need an adult to handle this, not a 70-year-old man-child.

I think what he is suggesting is making Bernie the fall guy. You know, tossing him the anchor.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:04:54am

re: #397 HappyWarrior

Thankfully he doesn’t stand for all Dems either.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:05:13am

re: #381 FormerDirtDart

And at least this one too…
Appears to be same guy
facebook.com

The RWNJ claptrap machine has descended on both pages. And water is wet.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:05:27am

re: #403 Weaselone

I think what he is suggesting is making Bernie the fall guy. You know, tossing him the anchor.

I don’t think that’s right here either. I’m sure Sanders is bothered by this event too. But maybe at the same time, the revolution rhetoric isn’t the best.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:05:39am

re: #404 Nyet

Thankfully he doesn’t stand for all Dems either.

You got that right.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:05:56am

re: #405 Myron Falwell

The RWNJ claptrap machine has descended on both pages. And water is wet.

Yep.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:06:23am

Democrats: If guns weren’t so easily available, this would have been harder.
Republicans: We’ll get back to you after we figure out how to blame the left.

Also, about the Bernie banner. It probably was done by him, but wasn’t someone trying to hack the email of someone else in the news recently?

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:06:37am

re: #383 The Vicious Babushka

#NeverHillary

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:07:35am

re: #403 Weaselone

Not quite that crudely. But BernieBros are a subset of leftists. If he’s a BernieBro, what do the Hillary supporters have to do with him, for starters?

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Apocalypse  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:08:31am

re: #401 ObserverArt

Same age as Hunter S Thompson when he decided to end it all.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:08:50am

re: #394 Interesting Times

Yup, I’m waiting for the next terrorist attack, however small in its impact or limited its scope.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:08:53am

Blissfully OT:

I have discovered a miraculous Bible-based cure that will take the mind off a plague of fire-ant bites. Throw a kidney stone.

“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

Requesting an excused absence from LGF for the next few days.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:09:06am

re: #401 ObserverArt

They said he is 67 years old.

There was a post on his Facebook page that he was not at his job as of 12/2016. We’ve discussed the desperation of people who brought trump to the fore. This could equally be a level of desperation for someone who lost his job, is looking at losing healthcare…who knows.

It’s sad that anyone could think this was a good idea in any way.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:09:21am

re: #351 Belafon

The reason I don’t think it’s a leftist-member-of-the-resistance: It wouldn’t take any of us 50 bullets to hit four people.

Rather than spend money on tacticool gear, I’d rather spend money at the skeet range. In a crunch of home defence (not likely here, but again, no police anywhere near here) I don’t think it would make any difference if I was dressed in camouflage or my underwear.

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freetoken  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:09:47am

re: #400 HappyWarrior

FFS stop saying that we want to get rid of the 2nd amendment. We’re talking about reasonable things like yeah seeing if he has a criminal ercord which your asshole friends at teh NRA oppose.

Personally I would prefer we didn’t have the 2nd Amendment, but as the probability of getting a new Amendment that strikes the 2nd is exactly on 0, we simply live with what we have.

Trump, again, is more a symptom than a cause.

Our society is filled with, from all stripes and backgrounds, people who are afraid of change, afraid of giving up the past.

The rabidity of the hate-right commenters on all those Twitter and Facebook threads are testimony to how disconnected they have become, because accepting the idea that some things have to fundamentally change in American governance and society really, really scares them.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:09:56am

re: #415 MsJ

There was a post on his Facebook page that he was not at his job as of 12/2016. We’ve discussed the desperation of people who brought trump to the fore. This could equally be a level of desperation for someone who lost his job, is looking at losing healthcare…who knows.

It’s sad that anyone could think this was a good idea in any way.

It appears his busienss license expired in 2016. HE owned a home inspection business apparently.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:10:20am

re: #378 Bubblehead II

Bernie Sanders supporter

Or someone who put up Sanders’s photo. If that’s the right Twitter account.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:10:45am

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:10:53am

re: #417 freetoken

Personally I would prefer we didn’t have the 2nd Amendment, but as the probability of getting a new Amendment that strikes the 2nd is exactly on 0, we simply live with what we have.

Trump, again, is more a symptom than a cause.

Our society is filled with, from all stripes and backgrounds, people who are afraid of change, afraid of giving up the past.

The rabidity of the hate-right commenters on all those Twitter and Facebook threads are testimony to how disconnected they have become, because accepting the idea that some things have to fundamentally change in American governance and society really, really scares them.

Oh yeah, if we were starting all over again, I’d definitely have a different law about guns. You’re right about the commentators too.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:10:56am

One of his last posts on FB was something against Hillary.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:10:57am

re: #414 Decatur Deb

Blissfully OT:

I have discovered a miraculous Bible-based cure that will take the mind off a plague of fire-ant bites. Throw a kidney stone.

“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

Requesting an excused absence from LGF for the next few days.

Honestly, I think right now, we would all rather deal with the kidney stone than current events. Now get outta heah.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:11:25am

re: #409 Belafon

Not just the easy availability of guns, but the tendency to regard them as a definitive solution to a problem, as Mo Brooks continues to assert.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:11:27am

re: #419 Anymouse

Or someone who put up Sanders’s photo. If that’s the right Twitter account.

Facebook and he was doing more than just that.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:11:52am

re: #424 jaunte

Not just the easy availability of guns, but the tendency to regard them as a definitive solution to a problem, as Mo Brooks continues to assert.

Yes!

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:12:31am

re: #362 Franklin

He has FB page I am not going to post here. Based on the description in that WaPo article it looks like it could be his.

His avatar is Bernie in an Uncle Sam costume.

Hoo boy.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:12:33am

re: #426 HappyWarrior

Remember all the people cheering the Bundy ranch “revolt.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:12:36am

re: #422 The Vicious Babushka

One of his last posts on FB was something against Hillary.

That narrows it down to a bunch of berners and every Republican.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:12:57am

re: #428 jaunte

Remember all the people cheering the Bundy ranch “revolt.”

YEs, the same people who call BLM thugs.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:13:02am

re: #428 jaunte

Remember all the people cheering the Bundy ranch “revolt.”

“That was completely di

/

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:13:11am

re: #423 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Honestly, I think right now, we would all rather deal with the kidney stone than current events. Now get outta heah.

Good week to be under anaesthesia and heavy drugs.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:13:50am

re: #422 The Vicious Babushka

One of his last posts on FB was something against Hillary.

Wingnut: That post is a FALSE FLAG but everything else about him is true.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:13:52am

re: #425 HappyWarrior

Facebook and he was doing more than just that.

Do we know the account associated with the alleged shooter is the same person (Reddit gets that wrong outing people all the time and I trust Twitter or Facebook as far as I can throw my car).

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Jenner7  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:14:19am

Frankly, I don’t care if he liked Bernie, hated Hillary or Trump. I’m more worried what our CiC will say. Will he use this to ramp up his hateful base? Will he go after the left? I’m certain he will make things worse.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:14:27am

re: #434 Anymouse

Do we know the account associated with the alleged shooter is the same person (Reddit gets that wrong outing people all the time and I trust Twitter or Facebook as far as I can throw my car).

I think we should all tread very, very carefully for the next 47 hours.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:14:38am
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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:15:33am

re: #419 Anymouse

Or someone who put up Sanders’s photo. If that’s the right Twitter account.

He is shown as a Sanders supporter on his Facebook page too. I think we may need to face reality.

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Bubblehead II  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:15:35am

re: #419 Anymouse

Or someone who put up Sanders’s photo. If that’s the right Twitter account.

GOP baseball practice shooter identified as 66-year-old James T. Hodgkinson

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:15:53am

re: #427 makeitstop

His avatar is Bernie in an Uncle Sam costume.

Hoo boy.

I was clicking on some of the individuals in his friends list and they are all hard-core Bernie Bros

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:16:21am

re: #440 Dr. Matt

I was clicking on some of the individuals in his friends list and they are all hard-core Bernie Bros

Yeah, some Seth Rich conspiracy theorists among them.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:16:43am

re: #435 Jenner7

Frankly, I don’t care if he liked Bernie, hated Hillary or Trump. I’m more worried what our CiC will say. Will he use this to ramp up his hateful base? Will he go after the left? I’m certain he will make things worse.

dTrumpf will be perfectly reasonable, relying only the facts as we know them, full of caution, his usual self.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:16:46am

re: #434 Anymouse

Do we know the account associated with the alleged shooter is the same person (Reddit gets that wrong outing people all the time and I trust Twitter or Facebook as far as I can throw my car).

Well I was just speaking about that Facebook account.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:17:14am

I do not recall Bernie Sanders EVER calling for violence against opponents or against ANYONE.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:17:15am

re: #437 FormerDirtDart

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Good someone should call out that bastard whenever they can.

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Interesting Times  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:17:18am

re: #394 Interesting Times

By the way, @ezlusztig appears to be suspended again for some reason, so I had to dig the tweet up from Google cache. I’d recommend taking your own screenshot if you want to save the quote for posterity.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:17:21am

re: #435 Jenner7

Frankly, I don’t care if he liked Bernie, hated Hillary or Trump. I’m more worried what our CiC will say. Will he use this to ramp up his hateful base? Will he go after the left? I’m certain he will make things worse.

And I’m concerned that everyone will frame this as a right-left schism issue, rather than the easy availability of firearms and that even what may well be good guys with guns suddenly turn into raving nutters who blast away at people because they don’t like them for whatever reason (to say nothing of the bad guys with guns who will take advantage of lax gun laws and use them for criminal purposes). That criminals break the law doesn’t mean that the law should be eliminated. Having penalties for murder hasn’t stopped all murders, but having stronger gun laws has reduced gun violence in many places - like NY.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:17:31am

re: #438 ObserverArt

He is shown as a Sanders supporter on his Facebook page too. I think we may need to face reality.

Right.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:18:08am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:18:15am

re: #438 ObserverArt

He is shown as a Sanders supporter on his Facebook page too. I think we may need to face reality.

I refer to the above post from On The Media.

We have a Facebook and Twitter account from someone who apparently has the same name. Is there confirmation those are his accounts?

It doesn’t mean they aren’t but it doesn’t mean they are, either.

As I noted before, lots of Internet sleuths have gone out and outed the wrong person before (ofttimes causing the victim harassment).

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:18:17am

re: #444 The Vicious Babushka

I do not recall Bernie Sanders EVER calling for violence against opponents or against ANYONE.

Exactly. Sanders annoys the hell out of me but I don’t believe for a escond he wants violence against his opponents.

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:18:58am

re: #434 Anymouse

Do we know the account associated with the alleged shooter is the same person (Reddit gets that wrong outing people all the time and I trust Twitter or Facebook as far as I can throw my car).

Well, ya do have a Smart Car - must be pretty easy to just wing that sucker a few feet, yeah?
/

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:19:07am

re: #447 lawhawk

And I’m concerned that everyone will frame this as a right-left schism issue, rather than the easy availability of firearms and that even what may well be good guys with guns suddenly turn into raving nutters who blast away at people because they don’t like them for whatever reason (to say nothing of the bad guys with guns who will take advantage of lax gun laws and use them for criminal purposes). That criminals break the law doesn’t mean that the law should be eliminated. Having penalties for murder hasn’t stopped all murders, but having stronger gun laws has reduced gun violence in many places - like NY.

Exactly.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:19:56am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:20:07am

I don’t know if that FB is his either or not. But yeah I hate when things like this happen that the wrong person’s page is found and tehy get harassed. This happened in Sandy Hook and we know about Glenn Beck lying about that Saudi student in Boston.

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Interesting Times  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:20:22am

re: #435 Jenner7

Frankly, I don’t care if he liked Bernie, hated Hillary or Trump. I’m more worried what our CiC will say. Will he use this to ramp up his hateful base? Will he go after the left? I’m certain he will make things worse.

See my #394. He and the GOPers will use this as a Reichstag Fire event to viciously crack down on all protest and the corporate media will gleefully go along like a bunch of lapdogs (Iraq War redux). It’s up to the rest of us to push back against this inevitable march toward fascism by calling it out as loudly and frequently as possible.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:20:30am

re: #454 FormerDirtDart

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Bass Reeves  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:20:42am

re: #438 ObserverArt

May I ask, without snark…in what way?

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:22:00am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:22:25am

re: #459 lawhawk

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Yes.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:22:52am

Yum, fresh pizza. With Cajun sausage and spinach (?)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:23:47am
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blueraven  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:23:52am

re: #450 Anymouse

I refer to the above post from On The Media.

We have a Facebook and Twitter account from someone who apparently has the same name. Is there confirmation those are his accounts?

It doesn’t mean they aren’t but it doesn’t mean they are, either.

As I noted before, lots of Internet sleuths have gone out and outed the wrong person before (ofttimes causing the victim harassment).

Dude, it is him.

Note:
This is not Bernie’s fault.
This is not a “Liberal” agenda.
It does appear to be politically motivated by a LWNJ with a big fucking gun.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:24:39am

re: #458 Bass Reeves

May I ask, without snark…in what way?

In the way the guy may be a liberal/progressive and decided he needed to do what he did. We may want to think that people on the left would never do this, but this may be the reality we need to face.

We are an uneasy nation right now. Frustration all around.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:25:05am

re: #463 blueraven

Dude, it is him.

Note:
This is not Bernie’s fault.
This is not a “Liberal” agenda.
It does appear to be politically motivated by a LWNJ with a big fucking gun.

If you say so. I have seen no reports, no statements from the police, no evidence that the account belongs to him. I did not say it wasn’t him.

My position is I don’t know and neither do you.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:25:21am
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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:25:42am

The common theme is the easy availability of guns and people’s willingness to slaughter those around them.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:26:59am

And Jeremy Christian was a WHITE SUPREMACIST NEO-NAZI not a Bernie Bro. JFC.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:27:22am

re: #467 lawhawk

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The common theme is the easy availability of guns and people’s willingness to slaughter those around them.

And it finally came close to home for the GOP Congresspeople. Not that I wanted that but I hope just maybe just maybe they have some empathy for victims and families of amss shootings after this. Maybe they’ll stop doing what the NRA wants on guns and start doing what the American people want because they’re scared shitless themselves.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:27:32am
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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:27:38am

re: #419 Anymouse

Or someone who put up Sanders’s photo. If that’s the right Twitter account.

They went to the trouble of setting up Facebook and Twitter accounts years in advance to defame Bernie?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:28:18am

re: #468 The Vicious Babushka

And Jeremy Christian was a WHITE SUPREMACIST NEO-NAZI not a Bernie Bro. JFC.

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Did Pam Geller ever disavow Anders Brevik even though he specifically praised her work?

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:28:58am

Awkward:

Yeah, Trump didn’t have issues riffing on 2d Amendment solutions when Hillary was the target, and now the GOP snowflakes are worried that Democrats’ rhetoric is overheated.

They back a know-nothing man-child who repeatedly violates the Constitution and has threatened violence, winked/nodded at condoning violence against political opponents and protesters, and whose taken political rhetoric to new lows on a daily basis.

There’s a mirror somewhere, but the GOP broke that too - all for their almighty tax cuts.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:29:41am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:29:51am

Jesus

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Apocalypse  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:29:55am

re: #471 Timothy Watson

It that were so, It would be fair play to say they are Insane.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:29:56am

Mango Mussolini is going to give live remarks in a few minutes.

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DanielKi  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:30:05am

re: #251 Anymouse

It also notes several news agencies upon receipt of requests to change their reporting have updated their style manuals to note they were Nazi concentration and extermination camps, not Polish.

Found the original article: badische-zeitung.de
It has already been corrected, with an explicit note at the end. This seems to be a small local paper and was probably an unintentional case of bad wording. Can’t vouch for any other cases, of course.

The Poles are perfectly in their rights to complain about these incidences and to request accurate wording.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:30:39am

How much money Trump makes this statement partisan??

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:30:47am

re: #471 Timothy Watson

They went to the trouble of setting up Facebook and Twitter accounts years in advance to defame Bernie?

I mean, I understand AM’s concern about this possibly being the wrong person’s FB but if it is, the support of Sanders looks legit to me. It’s not Sanders fault IMO but it’s wrong to suggest that the owner of that page was or is not a Sanders supporter.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:30:52am

#464 ObserverArt

I think the Rand Paul tweet from 454 will be a good one to keep around:

And it’s not that Paul is correct. He’s completely wrong. But they need to figure out why they’re not defending it now when this was and is the attitude of so many on the right.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:31:08am

re: #475 The Vicious Babushka

Jesus

Another bold, courageous, thoughtful, and anonymous wingnut tweeter.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:31:30am

re: #471 Timothy Watson

They went to the trouble of setting up Facebook and Twitter accounts years in advance to defame Bernie?

Or they have the wrong person.

Is there a credible news source that the Facebook account referenced is the same person? A police statement? A confession from the shooter?

I refer you again to “On the Media” above. Unless speculation is the order of the day. I will await a credible news release on the issue. An hour or a day is not going to change this. I also don’t need to apologise for withholding belief without evidence. On the other hand, if it turns out it was yet another person misidentified by Twitter Colombos, how many will apologise?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:31:30am

re: #475 The Vicious Babushka

Jesus

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That’s absurd. and I fucking loathe Sanders at this point.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:32:20am

re: #483 Anymouse

Or they have the wrong person.

Is there a credible news source that the Facebook account referenced is the same person? A police statement? A confession from the shooter?

I refer you again to “On the Media” above. Unless speculation is the order of the day. I will await a credible news release on the issue. An hour or a day is not going to change this. I also don’t need to apologise for withholding belief without evidence. On the other hand, if it turns out it was yet another person misidentified by Twitter Colombos, how many will apologise?

Same name, state, and former employer?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:32:41am

re: #481 Belafon

#464 ObserverArt

I think the Rand Paul tweet from 454 will be a good one to keep around:

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And it’s not that Paul is correct. He’s completely wrong. But they need to figure out why they’re not defending it now when this was and is the attitude of so many on the right.

Exactly, a lot of people on the right argue that 2nd is not tehre for hunting but to “protect against the government.” So then, why is their logic for that okay? I for that matter don’t believe that. I believe the best way to take care of people like Scalise is at the polls.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:32:57am

re: #479 Dave In Austin

How much money Trump makes this statement partisan??

My prediction: He won’t in his pending live remarks. But he’ll make it partisan within 24 hours.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:33:04am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:33:17am

re: #480 HappyWarrior

I mean, I understand AM’s concern about this possibly being the wrong person’s FB but if it is, the support of Sanders looks legit to me. It’s not Sanders fault IMO but it’s wrong to suggest that the owner of that page was or is not a Sanders supporter.

I didn’t suggest the owner of the page was not a Sanders supporter.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:33:32am

re: #488 FormerDirtDart

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Get well.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:34:02am

re: #485 Timothy Watson

Same name, state, and former employer?

I have not read a credible news report on his “former employer.” How many people live in Illinois with the same name?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:34:22am

re: #489 Anymouse

I didn’t suggest the owner of the page was not a Sanders supporter.

Okay fair enough. I thought you implied that the banner was just the only thing to it. I understand and agree with your concerns about it being the wrong person because I do remember Lanza’s brother and BEck’s attacks on the Saudi student.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:35:15am
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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:35:33am

re: #481 Belafon

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:37:29am

re: #483 Anymouse

Or they have the wrong person.

Is there a credible news source that the Facebook account referenced is the same person? A police statement? A confession from the shooter?

I refer you again to “On the Media” above. Unless speculation is the order of the day. I will await a credible news release on the issue. An hour or a day is not going to change this. I also don’t need to apologise for withholding belief without evidence. On the other hand, if it turns out it was yet another person misidentified by Twitter Colombos, how many will apologise?

Apologize for what?

We are all waiting for facts. This is a discussion board and that is what everyone is doing.

And now a congressman is saying he was the with the guys that were asked if these were Republicans or Democrats by the guy that has turned out to be the gunman. He said he was shown an image of the guy so far identified as the gunman (Facebook image?) and said yeah that is the guy that asked them.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:38:19am
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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:39:18am

I refuse to listen to him

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:41:48am

re: #496 FormerDirtDart

24 hour rule?

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:42:08am

re: #498 lawhawk

24 hour rule?

Definitely.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:42:10am

re: #495 ObserverArt

Apologize for what?

We are all waiting for facts. This is a discussion board and that is what everyone is doing.

And now a congressman is saying he was the with the guys that were asked if these were Republicans or Democrats by the guy that has turned out to be the gunman. He said he was shown an image of the guy so far identified as the gunman (Facebook image?) and said yeah that is the guy that asked them.

Quoting myself:

On the other hand, if it turns out it was yet another person misidentified by Twitter Colombos, how many will apologise?

I believe I was mentioning Twitter, not LGF. I am apparently having difficulty expressing myself clearly.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:42:48am

Heh, that Rand Paul tweet just resuscitated one of my responses to him:

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:43:06am

THREAD
All the evidence (so far) points to a mentally ill guy.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:43:26am

re: #501 lawhawk

Heh, that Rand Paul tweet just resuscitated one of my responses to him:

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But someone think peopel who protest LEO brutality are thugs.

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Mike Lamb  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:43:27am

Known neo-Nazi kills young black man: “We can’t possibly know his motives.”

Possible/likely Bernie supporter opens fire: “Politically motivated by violent Leftist rhetoric.”

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:43:36am

Everybody could probably use some “feel good” right about now

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:43:47am

re: #495 ObserverArt

And now a congressman is saying he was the with the guys that were asked if these were Republicans or Democrats by the guy that has turned out to be the gunman

This part may not actually be true, that the shooter asked if they were R or D. There’s an earlier post on this thread about that.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:43:53am

re: #491 Anymouse

I have not read a credible news report on his “former employer.” How many people live in Illinois with the same name?

Washington Post is fake news? It said he owned a home inspection company. One of the Facebook profiles states: “Former Owner at JTH Inspections”. The name is an obvious initialism of his own name.

The same story stated he lived in Belleville, Illinois (population 43,765). Ditto Facebook.

How many people with the name James T. Hodgkinson, who owned an inspection company, live in Belleville, Illinois?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:44:24am

Needs moar guinea pigs:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:45:04am

re: #502 The Vicious Babushka

THREAD
All the evidence (so far) points to a mentally ill guy.

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I beleive I had read that his business license had expired. That would qualify as a personal stress IMO.

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Jenner7  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:45:20am

Wow. Those were appropriate comments by Trump. Other than announcing shooters death. I hope his family knew first.

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Apocalypse  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:45:55am

re: #494 jaunte

The bullets have no master.

I miss PLIF
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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:46:09am

On a personal level, I have some good news and some bad news. The bad news: I just showered my shirt w/ dill dip opening the theft proof packaging.

The good news? Apparently, I put my shirt on inside out this morning.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:46:44am

#495 ObserverArt

There was a report saying that it wasn’t the same guy. Memories can be very faulty especially when you have to try to remember something under stress. We will see.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:47:33am

re: #507 Timothy Watson

I missed the Washington Post link when it was first posted. Thank you. That does make it much more likely that the Facebook page in question is his, based on that report.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:47:38am

re: #502 The Vicious Babushka

Not implausible. Lots of terrorists predictably have mental problems.

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lizardofid  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:48:21am

re: #414 Decatur Deb

Blissfully OT:

I have discovered a miraculous Bible-based cure that will take the mind off a plague of fire-ant bites. Throw a kidney stone.

“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

Requesting an excused absence from LGF for the next few days.

Granted, with condolences.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:48:43am
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Mike Lamb  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:48:44am

re: #501 lawhawk

Heh, that Rand Paul tweet just resuscitated one of my responses to him:

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And this is the exact type of violent leftist rhetoric that leads to these types of incidents…wait, what?

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:49:25am
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Interesting Times  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:49:31am

re: #515 Nyet

Not implausible. Lots of terrorists predictably have mental problems.

Indeed. That’s the whole point of stochastic terrorism in the first place - trigger (er, no pun intended) those unstable people into committing violent acts for a particular cause.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:49:58am

re: #517 Dr. Matt

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Lots of conservatives had shit like that about Obama too, Bret. But your “concern” is noted.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:50:52am

re: #513 Belafon

#495 ObserverArt

There was a report saying that it wasn’t the same guy. Memories can be very faulty especially when you have to try to remember something under stress. We will see.

That report was earlier. I think it is safe to go with an actual congressman that was approached by the guy that turned out to be the shooter. But you are right we will see.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:51:14am
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Scottish Dragon  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:51:32am

re: #486 HappyWarrior

Exactly, a lot of people on the right argue that 2nd is not tehre for hunting but to “protect against the government.” So then, why is their logic for that okay? I for that matter don’t believe that. I believe the best way to take care of people like Scalise is at the polls.

During the ratification process, a lot was said at the various state conventions that actually did go with that view. Early Federalist America was deeply, deeply suspicious of keeping a standing army because of the horribly experiences under the British and also because of a particularly American view that equated civic virtue with unpaid militia who fought to preserve the Republic…while a professional paid soldiery where often viewed as despots, mercenaries and such. Lots and LOTS of period documentation to this effect, and it lead to a general under appreciation of the fact that the professional Continental Army had won the war, not the militia.

So the militia were still viewed as the ultimate defender and representative of Republican virtue while professional military forces languished in obscurity. This pattern more or less dominated until the Civil War. In any event, you can find plenty of period documentation to the effect that many people at the time felt the American militiaman would use his flintlock weapon to depose any tyrant and restore proper Republicanism should the need arise..and it was just as false then as now since it was based on a fallacious understanding of how the war was waged (by professionals) and won (by professionals).

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:52:17am

re: #521 HappyWarrior

Lots of conservatives had shit like that about Obama too, Bret. But your “concern” is noted.

Yes, thank you for your “concern”. I also fondly remember your concern for Obama’s welfare and the need for our political rhetoric to be more restrained during the past eight years. Oh wait, I actually don’t remember those things because you never expressed them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:52:37am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:54:11am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:54:11am

re: #525 Sir John Barron

Yes, thank you for your “concern”. I also fondly remember your concern for Obama’s welfare and the need for our political rhetoric to be more restrained during the past eight years. Oh wait, I actually don’t remember those things because you never expressed them.

NEver once have heard anyone on FNC tell Nugent that his rhetoric on Democrats and liberals isn’t helpful but suggesting Trump should be removed, oh no, violent! Fuckign hypocritical bastards.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:54:46am

re: #526 Anymouse

What if, just work with me here, instead of passing a hugely unpopular HC bill in the dead of night, the GOP tried to do something popular?

— Ross Douthat

Well they might pass it during the day time.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:54:56am
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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:54:58am

re: #500 Anymouse

Quoting myself:

On the other hand, if it turns out it was yet another person misidentified by Twitter Colombos, how many will apologise?

I believe I was mentioning Twitter, not LGF. I am apparently having difficulty expressing myself clearly.

Yeah, the way the flow of comments were going I took it as you asking people here to apologize to you if you were proven to be correct that everyone jumped on the Tweet/Facebook stuff too early. Thanks for the clarification.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:56:52am

re: #531 ObserverArt

Yeah, the way the flow of comments were going I took it as you asking people here to apologize to you if you were proven to be correct that everyone jumped on the Tweet/Facebook stuff too early. Thanks for the clarification.

Well, now that we have that settled (I think), I’ll go get another slice of pizza. (::

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:57:20am
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Ace-o-aces  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:58:30am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:58:33am

re: #533 Ace-o-aces

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Wow Trump acted like a somewhat decent humab eing. LEt’s give him a fucking medal.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:59:47am

re: #505 FormerDirtDart

Everybody could probably use some “feel good” right about now

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Wow. My good buddy the dog trainer and I were talking Monday night about dogs near pools and how unsafe that is for them as they have no way of climbing up over an edge like that. They need a ramp so they can walk out…like how the ground goes down into a lake or pond naturally. He said dogs will panic and drown and people think too often dogs can swim, so no problem. The video shows that and thankfully the cop/security guy was there to help the dog.

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Interesting Times  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:00:09am

re: #535 HappyWarrior

Wow Trump acted like a somewhat decent humab eing. LEt’s give him a fucking medal.

Today he became President of the United States!!1!!

Do we have a “low expectations” font?

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:00:55am

re: #535 HappyWarrior

Wow Trump acted like a somewhat decent humab eing. LEt’s give him a fucking medal.

humab eing.

I’m keeping that one. It sounds like a vat grown construct from a dystopian future.

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Nyet  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:01:11am

I’m saving my sympathy for the victims who need it.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:02:15am

Today’s shooting is the 153rd mass shooting in America in 2017.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:02:25am
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blueraven  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:03:23am

re: #533 Ace-o-aces

Was a televised statement, not a tweet.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:03:28am

Or possibly 195th, depending
massshootingtracker.org

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:03:33am
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Ace-o-aces  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:04:25am

re: #542 blueraven

Was a televised statement, not a tweet.

Teleprompter.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:04:37am

re: #541 FormerDirtDart

OK but will Sanders renounce, denounce and deplore the shooting and the shooter?

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:04:40am
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Teukka  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:04:48am

re: #2 teleskiguy

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:05:08am

re: #545 Ace-o-aces

Teleprompter.

I will take it. One can completely imagine how badly this could have gone off the rails.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:05:12am

re: #541 FormerDirtDart

Why is the text all weird on that paper (especially on the left side)?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:05:52am

re: #538 Scottish Dragon

humab eing.

I’m keeping that one. It sounds like a vat grown construct from a dystopian future.

Hahaha I really do have the best typos don’t I? The best!

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:05:59am

So according to wingnuts, liberals are out to take away everyone’s guns and deny the right of citizens to protect themselves against a tyrannical government as self-defined and yet somehow are also plotting an armed insurrection and assassinations. OK.

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blueraven  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:06:01am

re: #545 Ace-o-aces

Teleprompter.

For sure!

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:06:06am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:06:40am

re: #541 FormerDirtDart

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blueraven  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:06:48am

re: #551 HappyWarrior

Hahaha I really do have the best typos don’t I? The best!

covfefe

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:06:52am

re: #547 jaunte

wingnuts tomorrow: hold our beer

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:07:16am

re: #547 jaunte

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Joy, you’re talking about people who blamed Columbine on abortion.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:07:20am

re: #552 Sir John Barron

So according to wingnuts, liberals are out to take away everyone’s guns and deny the right of citizens to protect themselves against a tyrannical government as self-defined and yet somehow are also plotting an armed insurrection and assassinations. OK.

///

Well, we’re all takers and such and don’t want to do anything like work to earn our own stuff. If I can raid someone’s house for a television set, I suppose I could do it for a gun too. Or something.

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Interesting Times  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:08:03am

re: #547 jaunte

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Right? If you want to point to any political statement that could’ve served as stochastic terrorism to inspire this, it’s the June 2016 from Rand Paul re “shooting at a tyrannical government.”

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:08:19am

re: #550 Anymouse

Why is the text all weird on that paper (especially on the left side)?

Bad scan and the paper is bending.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:08:33am

re: #560 Interesting Times

Right? If you want to point to any political statement that could’ve served as stochastic terrorism to inspire this, it’s the June 2016 from Rand Paul re “shooting at a tyrannical government.”

WE DIDN’T MEAN WHEN WE’RE IN POWER!

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:08:39am

re: #550 Anymouse

Why is the text all weird on that paper (especially on the left side)?

Because someone is holding the piece of paper?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:09:19am

My wife noted breaking news: The youngest person on Earth has just been born.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:09:46am

Anne Frank Museum tickets purchased. All’s that really is left is loading my Garmin maps on to my GPS and then next month flying out.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:10:09am

re: #564 Anymouse

My wife noted breaking news: The youngest person on Earth has just been born.

Old news.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:10:13am

re: #564 Anymouse

A relative?

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:10:13am

re: #560 Interesting Times

Again, it goes back to the problem of politicians promoting the use of force rather than persuasion to solve problems.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:10:47am

Correlation not being causation, it would appear the DOW is up on the news of the shooting this morning.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:10:49am

Funny that there wasn’t nearly this much rightwing outrage when Gabrielle Giffords was very nearly killed in a attempted assassination. In fact I remember more than a few of them celebrating that she had to leave Congress because of it.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:11:03am

re: #565 HappyWarrior

Anne Frank Museum tickets purchased. All’s that really is left is loading my Garmin maps on to my GOPS and then next month flying out.

Remember the GOPS will always steer you rightward.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:11:25am

re: #571 jaunte

Remember the GOPS will always steer you rightward.

Goddamnit, I meant GPS.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:11:29am

re: #567 Sir John Barron

A relative?

She’s just being snarky. Perhaps I should have noted that with an /s

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:12:14am

Man I’m really off today. You have to cut me slack. I was at my precinct all day yesterday.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:12:51am

re: #574 HappyWarrior

Thanks for that.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:13:17am

But speaking of wich, anyone have some good tips for Munich, Nuremberg, Berlin, Amsterdam, & Bruges? I pretty much have my ideas but am open to suggestions.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:13:18am

re: #570 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Funny that there wasn’t nearly this much rightwing outrage when Gabrielle Giffords was very nearly killed in a attempted assassination. In fact I remember more than a few of them celebrating that she had to leave Congress because of it.

That’s because libtards used her shooting to try to take all our gunz and we’re just using this shooting to lock up every Democrat and silence all opposition to King Trum. See the difference?

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:13:36am
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Nyet  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:13:46am

re: #565 HappyWarrior
What’s your route again?

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:13:54am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:13:59am

re: #575 jaunte

Thanks for that.

We had more Dems than Republicans. Maybe we’ll do well in off years yet.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:14:44am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:15:08am

re: #579 Nyet

What’s your route again?

Flying to Munich then taking a train to Berchtesgaden, then to Munich by train, Nuremberg, Colditz for one day, Berlin, Amstedam, and then finishing up in Bruges. Flying home from Brussels.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:15:12am

Regarding the Grenfell Tower fire, this (at least to me) sounds ominous in it’s own British way……

Met commander Stuart Cundy, breaking the news that the death toll has doubled, said:

“It’s very, very challenging to put a number on those unaccounted for.”

He also noted that he “doesn’t expect to find any more survivors.”

theguardian.com

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:15:18am

re: #582 FormerDirtDart

Are they unusually presidential? I no Twitters at work.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:16:05am

re: #584 Dr Lizardo

Regarding the Grenfell Tower fire, this (at least to me) sounds ominous in it’s own British way……

He also noted that he “doesn’t expect to find any more survivors.”

theguardian.com

HEartbreaking.

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Mike Lamb  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:16:20am

re: #541 FormerDirtDart

But why aren’t Democrats/liberals denouncing what happened?!?!?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:16:53am

Gonna be a very 20th century focused trip since my bro and I are both history buffs.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:17:55am
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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:18:51am

I have a feeling these numbers will grow into dozens…

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:20:03am

re: #584 Dr Lizardo

There’s also reports that suggest that people living in the building were warning that it was a deathtrap even before the fire and that there were issues even despite the building getting rehabbed ending last year.

I’m rather surprised at the seeming lack of sprinklers and fire doors that could have contained the fire.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:20:24am

On that discussion on reliable sources:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:20:35am

re: #591 lawhawk

There’s also reports that suggest that people living in the building were warning that it was a deathtrap even before the fire and that there were issues even despite the building getting rehabbed ending last year.

I’m rather surprised at the seeming lack of sprinklers and fire doors that could have contained the fire.

Makes it all the more tragic.

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blueraven  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:21:00am

No matter where you stand politically, today’s event was terrifying for those involved. Especially, I imagine, for Joe Barton and his ten year old son.

For those opposed to any kind of gun control, they should remember; it is not only RWers who are crazy gun nuts.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:22:07am

No, but I hear that one of them was a big support of unfettered gun access.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:22:36am

re: #594 blueraven

No matter where you stand politically, today’s event was terrifying for those involved. Especially, I imagine, for Joe Barton and his ten year old son.

For those opposed to any kind of gun control, they should remember; it is not only RWers who are crazy gun nuts.

Exactly. Glad no one was killed. but as you say, it still had to be scar especially ofr the Congrssman and his son.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:22:42am
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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:22:46am

re: #590 FormerDirtDart

I have a feeling these numbers will grow into dozens…

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Holy shit, that building is burned to a husk.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:23:17am

re: #597 jaunte

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Like the Tea Party right?

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:23:39am

re: #594 blueraven

No matter where you stand politically, today’s event was terrifying for those involved. Especially, I imagine, for Joe Barton and his ten year old son.

For those opposed to any kind of gun control, they should remember; it is not only RWers who are crazy gun nuts.

Guns, anger and mental illness know no political sides.

However, dangerous political rhetoric feeds them getting out of control.

Active word: control.

(Edit….mental illness and not mental health)

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:24:09am

re: #595 lawhawk

I’m late, so maybe this has already been discussed: Has Fox looked into the criminal backgrounds of the shooting victims yet?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:24:40am

re: #601 Timothy Watson

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:25:15am

re: #576 HappyWarrior

But speaking of wich, anyone have some good tips for Munich, Nuremberg, Berlin, Amsterdam, & Bruges? I pretty much have my ideas but am open to suggestions.

Berlin, take the English tour of the entire city. You will see lots of cool WW2 things (Check Point Charlie, where Hitler off’d himself, etc.).

Bruges, just walk around the entire city. It’s old and beautiful and not huge.

Amsterdam, a river cruise (cheap) which goes all around the city and acts as an Hop On Hop Off taxi with a tour guide (you get to see where Mata Hari lived, and stuff like that). Anne Frank house, for sure. Red Light District. The Torture Museum and the Sex Museum (no, they are not the same :D) Get off at all the stops and walk around. It’s an awesome place!

Concentration camps around several cities. Munich has the BMW home office/museum which is kinda cool. I didn’t find Munich as interesting as the others, though.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:26:44am

re: #591 lawhawk

There’s also reports that suggest that people living in the building were warning that it was a deathtrap even before the fire and that there were issues even despite the building getting rehabbed ending last year.

I’m rather surprised at the seeming lack of sprinklers and fire doors that could have contained the fire.

Yeah, I’ve been reading that since I first heard about it this morning my time. The residents had been complaining that there innumerable safety issues and they were pretty much blown off.

Regarding sprinklers, the building was owned by the city council (sorta like Section 8 housing in the USA) and while the subject came up of retrofitting the building with a fire suppression system, the local council stated it couldn’t afford to do that.

*sigh*

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:26:57am

re: #591 lawhawk

There’s also reports that suggest that people living in the building were warning that it was a deathtrap even before the fire and that there were issues even despite the building getting rehabbed ending last year.

I’m rather surprised at the seeming lack of sprinklers and fire doors that could have contained the fire.

For years, since at least 2012.

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mmmirele  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:27:12am

In the 16+ years (yeah we used something from Novell before that) I’ve used Outlook at work I’ve never failed to be amazed at how Outlook’s meeting function can take something simple and just mess it up completely. I mean, I’ve been removed as the owner of my own meeting (making moving or cancelling the meeting impossible) or had meetings scheduled in Outlook otherwise go haywire.

We have a daily standing technology review meeting at 8 am and our team runs it. One of my coworkers actually owns the meeting and is in charge of adding/removing people from the attendees. Today he got a request to add someone. So he did. God only knows what Outlook was thinking, because it sent out two cancellations (which did nothing) and an informational email confirming the meeting is still at 8 am to everyone on the list.

I messaged my coworker and let him know what Outlook had done so he would know that no, the meeting had not been cancelled even though two cancellations had gone out. He replied that now he was getting requests from people to be removed from the meeting (this has a huge distribution list) and he was afraid to touch Outlook because he didn’t know what it was going to do next. I totally understand.

At least we changed conferencing systems a few years back. When we had [large company that begins with C]’s conferencing system, we had to use a wonky Outlook plugin to schedule the meetings. Now, with [different vendor]’s system, we can open our lines whenever without having to schedule them. Through Outlook.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:27:19am

I was trying to come up with a joke about trouble getting back to Illinois to see family once the inevitable travel ban is in place, but I’m just too tired. I hope there’s not any more of these attacks. Twitter makes it seem like there are people looking for excuses.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:27:19am

re: #598 makeitstop

Holy shit, that building is burned to a husk.

The entire building was engulfed in less than 30 minutes.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:27:24am

re: #600 ObserverArt

Guns, anger and mental illness know no political sides.

However, dangerous political rhetoric feeds them getting out of control.

Active word: control.

(Edit….mental illness and not mental health)

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:28:01am

The gov’t has changed hands, so now it’s time to listen to TPers and “serious” pundits whine about the need to police “violent rhetoric.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:28:59am

One of the right wingers on my FB is arguing this incident should result in a lessening of gun regs. Apparently the area where the shooting occurred does not allow CC.

Sigh…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:29:03am

re: #603 MsJ

Berlin, take the English tour of the entire city. You will see lots of cool WW2 things (Check Point Charlie, where Hitler off’d himself, etc.).

Bruges, just walk around the entire city. It’s old and beautiful and not huge.

Amsterdam, a river cruise (cheap) which goes all around the city and acts as an Hop On Hop Off taxi with a tour guide (you get to see where Mata Hari lived, and stuff like that). Anne Frank house, for sure. Red Light District. The Torture Museum and the Sex Museum (no, they are not the same :D) Get off at all the stops and walk around. It’s an awesome place!

Concentration camps around several cities. Munich has the BMW home office/museum which is kinda cool. I didn’t find Munich as interesting as the others, though.

Sounds good. I had a lot of those in mind.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:29:27am

re: #606 mmmirele

I don’t use the Outlook meeting function since I only use Outlook on my home computer.

That said, wouldn’t it be just easier to call folks, or maybe photocopy a message and send it round the office? (I guess I’m just too old-school for the modern workplace.)

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:30:29am

Grr…I really hate people who hide columns in a spreadsheet without documentation.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:30:29am

re: #611 Eclectic Cyborg

One of the right wingers on my FB is arguing this incident should result in a lessening of gun regs. Apparently the area where the shooting occurred does not allow CC.

Sigh…

Yeah because CC is going ot help when you’re practicing baseball. FFS these people are fucking dumb. Oh and point out ot him, tehre were armed security there.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:30:29am

re: #608 Dr Lizardo

The entire building was engulfed in less than 30 minutes.

At 1:00 in the morning local time. When everyone (or almost everyone) would have been asleep.

No fire suppression system. No fire alert system. Residents told to shelter in place until the fire department rescues them. One stairwell in the center of the building.

It was about as much of a death trap as could have been constructed.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:31:47am

I already signed up to help Northam out by the way. Learning more about him. I can easily see why people were drawn positively towards him.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:32:42am

re: #616 MsJ

At 1:00 in the morning local time. When everyone (or almost everyone) would have been asleep.

No fire suppression system. No fire alert system. Residents told to shelter in place until the fire department rescues them. One stairwell in the center of the building.

It was about as much of a death trap as could have been constructed.

From the vids I’ve seen on UK news sites of how quickly it went up, that building may as well have been built from wicker and painted with tar.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:33:52am

re: #613 Anymouse

I don’t use the Outlook meeting function since I only use Outlook on my home computer.

That said, wouldn’t it be just easier to call folks, or maybe photocopy a message and send it round the office? (I guess I’m just too old-school for the modern workplace.)

I do. We started using Skype which sucks donkey balls. How Skype integrates with Outlook sucks elephant balls. The whole Office 360 platform doesn’t work right and sucks dinosaur balls.

Other than that, life is swell in Microsoft world.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:34:15am

This is a cute thread …

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Mike Lamb  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:35:06am

re: #576 HappyWarrior

But speaking of wich, anyone have some good tips for Munich, Nuremberg, Berlin, Amsterdam, & Bruges? I pretty much have my ideas but am open to suggestions.

The Residenz in Munich was very cool. There was a cool central market in Munich that was great for lunch, a beer, and people watching. Hofbrauhaus is one of the oldest beer halls in Germany. A bit touristy, but still fun.

Not sure when you are going, but if the Bundesliga (top German soccer league) has started up again (mid-August), I’d recommend trying to catch a match. Even my non-soccer fan wife enjoyed the match day experience.

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Jay C  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:35:33am

re: #591 lawhawk

There’s also reports that suggest that people living in the building were warning that it was a deathtrap even before the fire and that there were issues even despite the building getting rehabbed ending last year.

I’m rather surprised at the seeming lack of sprinklers and fire doors that could have contained the fire.

I’ve also seen some speculation (and, to be sure it is just that), that the rehab job aggravated the firetrap situation (due to the materials used(?)) and/or badly-performed upgrades (?wiring? ?plumbing?).
Also: apparently, sprinklers were not/are not required by the building codes in force when Grenfell Tower was built: neither when renovated.

And they did, seemingly, have fire doors: it’s just that their fire-safety procedures were planned for “domestic” fires (stove/appliance fires and the like) contained in the flats: not the whole building going up.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:35:45am

re: #618 Dr Lizardo

From the vids I’ve seen on UK news sites of how quickly it went up, that building may as well have been built from wicker and painted with tar.

I keep reading about some kind of plastic “shell” that was put on the exterior of the building.

The whole thing reminded me of the hotel in (I think it was) Dubai on New Years Eve. This thing just went Poof. It was fully engulfed within half an hour.

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:35:49am

re: #611 Eclectic Cyborg

One of the right wingers on my FB is arguing this incident should result in a lessening of gun regs. Apparently the area where the shooting occurred does not allow CC.

Sigh…

David Frum tweeted that VA is an open carry state, even for long guns.

What does your wingnut want - mandatory carry?

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:38:16am

#609 Anymouse

Hey, Libtard, were you calling out the problem of Second Amendment Remedies when our ‘Lone Wolves’ were shooting people?

Yes, yes I was.

Well, you’re still a libtard.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:38:25am

re: #619 MsJ

I do. We started using Skype which sucks donkey balls. How Skype integrates with Outlook sucks elephant balls. The whole Office 360 platform doesn’t work right and sucks dinosaur balls.

Other than that, life is swell in Microsoft world.

I’ve used Skype about three times in my life. (All to call my son, once from Churchill and twice from Poland.) It’s okay for a trip I guess, but at home I have a telephone that works a whole lot better.

Off-topic personal:

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:38:50am

re: #620 Anymouse

This is a cute thread …

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:39:06am

re: #621 Mike Lamb

The Residenz in Munich was very cool. There was a cool central market in Munich that was great for lunch, a beer, and people watching. Hofbrauhaus is one of the oldest beer halls in Germany. A bit touristy, but still fun.

Not sure when you are going, but if the Bundesliga (top German soccer league) has started up again (mid-August), I’d recommend trying to catch a match. Even my non-soccer fan wife enjoyed the match day experience.

Yep, I went to the Hofbrauhaus last time but I’m definitely going again. I have the REisdenz down. I’m going i nalte July nd early August.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:39:59am

re: #624 makeitstop

David Frum tweeted that VA is an open carry state, even for long guns.

What does your wingnut want - mandatory carry?

We have some of the laxest gun laws in the country. I want to know how CC which is legal in Va anyhow would have helped guys playing baseball.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:41:22am

re: #572 HappyWarrior

Goddamnit, I meant GPS.

How about a break?
I dropped my car off this am for some details at the mechanic. Just blocks from my subway station so I took the stroll at 07:45. Glad I did. I don’t think I have another cell phone photo I’m happier with. Zero Ps, just as shot.

Samsung Galaxy
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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:41:25am

#615 HappyWarrior

I think we saw the best possible outcome in a situation with a shooter. The element of surprise allowed him to get off some rounds. Trained people responded, limiting the casualties. To many non-professional people with guns would have made this much worse. Imaging the police not knowing who the shooter was.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:43:56am

re: #630 Unshaken Defiance

How about a break?
I dropped my car off this am for some details at the mechanic. Just blocks from my subway station so I took the stroll at 07:45. Glad I did. I don’t think I have another cell phone photo I’m happier with. Zero Ps, just as shot.

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Nice photo. But yeah I’m going to take a break from politics this wekened. Going ot enjoy father’s day and get some time in at the pool.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:44:52am

re: #632 HappyWarrior

Nice photo. But yeah I’m going to take a break from politics this wekened. Going ot enjoy father’s day and get some time in at the pool.

What is this “pool” of which you speak?

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Jenner7  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:45:16am

And people like him will still do their damndest to secretly pass legislation that will kill people.

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Varek Raith  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:45:27am

I was afraid some of the irresponsible and fucked up shit pushed by the fringe left would trigger some asshole.
Sigh.

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BigPapa  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:45:38am

This is very bad. I immediately thought of a Reichstag moment here but there’s not quite enough leverage to capitalize to that level. But the right has wasted no time capitalizing on this event to blame the media and the left for overheated rhetoric leading to violence. They expose themselves to massive hypocrisy in doing so.

You’re either against overheated rhetoric and violence or not. Makes me appreciate this place a little more today. I’m really glad no victims will perish.

There is no good to come from this event, none. It will only add fuel to a fire that may burn for another few years.

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:45:39am

Mah doggo says hai.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:46:46am

re: #519 Ace-o-aces

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One persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:46:59am

re: #633 Anymouse

What is this “pool” of which you speak?

la piscina, das Schwimmbecken, la piscine

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:47:29am

re: #639 HappyWarrior

la piscina, das Schwimmbecken, la piscine

cee-ment pond

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:48:13am
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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:48:26am

re: #633 Anymouse

Ask Nic Searcy.
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*runs out backdoor*

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:49:04am

re: #641 Ace-o-aces

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Always? Heh what a loon.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:49:05am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:50:48am

All these people saying the left is happy about what happened today are the same people who I Saw try to say the Norweigan Labor Party deserved what Brevik to them. Make no msitake, what hapepned this morning was awful but fuck the right wng hypocrites too.

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:50:50am

re: #554 jaunte

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And that’s not even counting the ones who were shot (or shot at) and survived.

Teddy Roosevelt. Ronald Reagan. Gerald Ford. Harry Truman.
did I forget anyone?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:51:47am

re: #646 sagehen

And that’s not even counting the ones who were shot (or shot at) and survived.

Teddy Roosevelt. Ronald Reagan. Gerald Ford. Harry Truman.
did I forget anyone?

Jackson.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:52:33am

Tillerson managed to get a raised eyebrow out of a Republican…I damn near clutched a pearl.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:54:23am

A-Mer-ICA

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:54:36am

re: #648 darthstar

Tillerson managed to get a raised eyebrow out of a Republican…I damn near clutched a pearl.

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I have never been moer glad that I Did not get a job there. What a fucking mess.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:55:01am

re: #648 darthstar

Tillerson managed to get a raised eyebrow out of a Republican…I damn near clutched a pearl.

But Dems are being obstructionists and Deep State is in the bureaucracy undermining dtrumps awesome beautiful agenda.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:55:03am

re: #649 Stanley Sea

A-Mer-ICA

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Now haw many right wingers will say htis was okay because San Francisoc is evil land?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:55:41am

re: #648 darthstar

Tillerson won’t begin staffing State Dept till next year. This is insane. pic.twitter.com

— Ivo Daalder

Someone notify the deplorables, this cabinet member does not want to drain the swamp.

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:57:48am

re: #588 HappyWarrior

Gonna be a very 20th century focused trip since my bro and I are both history buffs.

um… most of those cities also have awesome cathedrals, hundreds of years old. The 20th century isn’t everything. Especially in Europe.

(frequent reminder: “Americans think 100 years is a long time. Europeans think 100 miles is far away.”)

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:57:49am

#636 BigPapa

“Let’s go after all the white men!”

The problem with attempting much with this is he’s not representative of any minority the right’s been trained to hate on.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:57:52am

re: #648 darthstar

Tillerson managed to get a raised eyebrow out of a Republican…I damn near clutched a pearl.

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Uh…isn’t a lot of executive branch structure dictated by the United States Code and Appropriation Acts?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:59:21am

Woman confronts a White Supremacist who sent her a Pepe meme as a threat. He was not so big & brave in person.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:59:27am

So we have an active shooter on Potrero Hill at the UPS center in SF right now too? What the fuck is going on?

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Varek Raith  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:00:05am

re: #658 darthstar

So we have an active shooter on Potrero Hill at the UPS center in SF right now too? What the fuck is going on?

AMERICA

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Interesting Times  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:00:24am

re: #659 Varek Raith

AMERICA

And a day ending in Y :(

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:00:41am

re: #649 Stanley Sea

A-Mer-ICA

It would seem the best way to push a mass shooting off the front page is with another mass shooting. (Gaa.)

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:00:44am

re: #604 Dr Lizardo

Regarding sprinklers, the building was owned by the city council (sorta like Section 8 housing in the USA) and while the subject came up of retrofitting the building with a fire suppression system, the local council stated it couldn’t afford to do that.

*sigh*

Wouldn’t that fall under the Home Secretary’s purview? (Theresa May’s last job before becoming PM)

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:04:11am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:04:44am

re: #654 sagehen

um… most of those cities also have awesome cathedrals, hundreds of years old. The 20th century isn’t everything. Especially in Europe.

(frequent reminder: “Americans think 100 years is a long time. Europeans think 100 miles is far away.”)

Oh I know, we’re doing those too.

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Varek Raith  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:05:02am

re: #663 darthstar

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Ah, the American Chickenshit in its’ native environment.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:05:09am

Jacob is a fucking idiot.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:05:29am

re: #663 darthstar

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Not such an alpha now are ya Jacob?

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Varek Raith  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:06:14am

Everyone’s an ALPHA on the intertoobz.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:06:58am

re: #660 Interesting Times

And a day ending in Y :(

An hour ending in R.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:07:02am

On Georgia’s upcoming special House election:

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:07:54am

re: #666 darthstar

Jacob is a fucking idiot.

Man Going His Own Way

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:07:59am

re: #668 Varek Raith

Everyone’s an ALPHA on the intertoobz.

Reason number 436 why when I first got into online chats I joked that I was an 86 year old nun. We can be anyone we want when we’re anonymous.

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Varek Raith  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:08:20am

Router issues.
BBL.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:08:48am

re: #672 darthstar

Reason number 436 why when I first got into online chats I joked that I was an 86 year old nun. We can be anyone we want when we’re anonymous.

I can be Anymouse. /s

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:09:26am

Shameless Pages Plug:
Swedish Foreign Fighters in Syria and Iraq

It confirms what most of us already suspect or know, that extremism and social exposure (i.e. inequality) goes hand in hand. 138 pages, yes, but 138 pages worth reading.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:10:56am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:12:01am

re: #676 jaunte

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Fuck off Newt. Did you say a damn word when Jesse Helms said that Clinton would need a bodyguard in North Carolina? Really just shut the fuck up, you pathetic hack.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:12:59am

Sometimes science brings us an extra cautionary result.
gizmodo.com

After the space-exposed worms returned to Earth, researchers prepared a second set of worms that were then exposed to the same changes in temperature as the space-exposed worms. These worms were used for the mass spectroscopic analysis.

After five weeks in space, the samples were evaluated immediately upon their return and over the course of 20 months. Through an array of behavioral, microbiological, and morphological tests, the researchers identified a number of differences between the space and terrestrial worms.

Most surprising, researchers discovered that one of the amputated fragments sent to space regenerated into a rare double-headed worm. In more than 18 person-years of maintaining a colony of D. japonica that involves more than 15,000 control worms in just the last five years alone, the Tufts researchers have never observed a spontaneous occurrence of double-headedness. Moreover, when the researchers amputated both heads from the space-exposed worm, the headless middle fragment regenerated into a double-headed worm, demonstrating that the body plan modification that occurred in the worm was permanent.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:14:40am

re: #662 sagehen

Wouldn’t that fall under the Home Secretary’s purview? (Theresa May’s last job before becoming PM)

Pretty much. As this story illustrates. mirror.co.uk

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:15:03am

More on the London fire. This is a tough read. FYI.

news.sky.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:15:18am

Travel to my west is restricted from the tornado damage. (I wasn’t planning on going anywhere today anyway.) The road between the county seat and Scottsbluff is damaged near Bayard (plus the damage around Bayard).

Emergency services in my county (which are very thin) are stretched today. My village’s volunteer fire brigade (which normally only covers the village and the extreme rural east of the county) is on watch to help throughout the area today since the Bridgeport fire department is in Bayard and Bayard’s fire department is still digging out. Our village ambulance is on standby for the whole county as well.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:16:37am

re: #678 Unshaken Defiance

Sometimes science brings us an extra cautionary result.
gizmodo.com

Genetic damage from exposure to radiation in space? Probably something to know about on planned trips to Mars or long stays on the Moon.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:16:46am

Another day, two more mass shootings in the NRA’s America. I hope the Tree of Liberty’s thirst has been quenched for a bit.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:17:30am

re: #683 Big Beautiful Door

Another day, two more mass shootings in the NRA’s America. I hope the Tree of Liberty’s thirst has been quenched for a bit.

LaPierre will do the usual NRA bs on this and then host a NRA convention where weapons are banned from the floor without any irony.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:17:51am

re: #679 Dr Lizardo

Pretty much. As this story illustrates. mirror.co.uk

Christ. Apparently, no high-rise buildings in London have fire suppression. Disaster after disaster just waiting to happen.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:18:12am

#663 darthstar

But isn’t the real problem that Renee used cuss words?

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:19:16am

re: #685 MsJ

Christ. Apparently, no high-rise buildings in London have fire suppression. Disaster after disaster just waiting to happen.

Fun fact: Less than 10% of buildings (residential and business) in the Czech Republic have fire suppression systems. It’s usually only the newest ones, built after 1995 or so.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:19:18am

re: #11 Dr Lizardo

An absolute disaster has apparently unfolded in London overnight; a 24-storey apartment tower caught fire and from video I’ve been seeing around the British news sites, the place went up like a bomb.

bbc.com

There are multiple reports from survivors that they heard no fire alarm in the building.

This could be truly horrific.

NO FIRE ALARM???

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Birth Control Works  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:20:25am

re: #687 Dr Lizardo

Fun fact: Less than 10% of buildings (residential and business) in the Czech Republic have fire suppression systems. It’s usually only the newest ones, built after the 1995 or so.

Ok, so big government is a bad thing —right, because it impedes real estate developers and owners by making them comply with lots of regulations —LIKE HAVING A FIRE ALARM AND SPRINKLERS?

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:20:45am

re: #688 Birth Control Works

NO FIRE ALARM???

Low income housing, so no-one cares.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:21:02am

re: #688 Birth Control Works

NO FIRE ALARM???

At the very least, not a terribly effective one; a survivor said he only heard the alarm when he opened his door to go get a pack of smokes at an all-night market.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:21:02am

re: #683 Big Beautiful Door

Another day, two more mass shootings in the NRA’s America. I hope the Tree of Liberty’s thirst has been quenched for a bit.

Still half a day to go.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:22:10am

re: #692 Anymouse

Still half a day to go.

Let’s hope the Tree of Liberty gets some shade this afternoon so that it doesn’t work up another thirst.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:23:02am

re: #689 Birth Control Works

Ok, so big government is a bad thing —right, because it impedes real estate developers and owners by making them comply with lots of regulations —LIKE HAVING A FIRE ALARM AND SPRINKLERS?

Too expensive, and the residential co-operatives who own the buildings simply don’t want to spend the money to retrofit it.

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wrenchwench  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:23:33am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:26:09am

re: #689 Birth Control Works

Ok, so big government is a bad thing —right, because it impedes real estate developers and owners by making them comply with lots of regulations —LIKE HAVING A FIRE ALARM AND SPRINKLERS?

After we privatise the National Weather Service, we can get tornado siren service for a $10 per person per month. /Ayn Rand

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:28:41am

re: #689 Birth Control Works

Ok, so big government is a bad thing —right, because it impedes real estate developers and owners by making them comply with lots of regulations —LIKE HAVING A FIRE ALARM AND SPRINKLERS?

I recently heard someone say that things became much clearer if you replace the word ‘regulations’ with ‘protections’.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:30:27am

They are looking at the exterior cladding as the conduit to why it went up so quickly.

news.sky.com

Key pieces of the article:

Fire safety experts say Grenfell Tower’s exterior will be the main focus for investigators examining the rapid spread of the blaze, called “unprecedented” by London’s fire commissioner.

While no cause of the blaze has officially been determined, witnesses have described how flames lapped up and around the 24-storey tower block at alarming speed with one saying it took just 15 minutes for the fire to climb 17 floors.

Others said recently erected cladding, which experts say is attached to the outside of a building to help with weather-proofing and improve its look, was falling to the ground in flames.

The specification of the new (£8.6m) exterior, usually a coating or covering, is not known … One local, Mohamed Bouya, who witnessed the fire take hold, told Sky News: “They’ve refurbished it with loads of plastic, loads of these plastic boards going down the sides of the thing to make the building look nice.”

Design specifications seen by the Press Association suggest the renovation work carried out at Grenfell Tower included a 50mm “ventilated cavity” next to 150mm of Celotex FR5000 insulation.

This insulation, according to Celotex, has a Class 0 rating under UK building regulations, meaning it has the highest rating for preventing the spread of flames and prevents the spread of heat.

Construction firm Rydon, which carried out the refurbishment of the tower, said in a statement that its work “met all required building control, fire regulation, and health and safety standards”.

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:32:31am

re: #690 Big Beautiful Door

Low income housing, so no-one cares.

The Clash wrote about it long ago.

The Clash - Up in Heaven (not only here)

The towers of London, these crumbling rocks
Reality estates that the hero’s got
And every hour’s marked by the chime of a clock

And whatcha gonna do when the darkness surrounds?
You can piss in the lifts which have broken down
You can watch from the debris, the last bedroom light
We’re invisible here just past midnight

And the wives hate their husbands and their husbands don’t care
Their children daub slogans to prove they lived there
A giant pipe organ up in the air

You can’t live in a home which should not have been built by the bourgeoise clerks who bear no guilt
When the wind hits this building, this building it tilts
One day it will surely fall to the ground

Fear is just another commodity here
They sell us peeping holes to peek when we hear
A bang on the door resoundingly clear

Who would really want to move in here?
The children play faraway, the corridors are bare
This room is a cage, it’s like captivity
How can anyone exist in such misery?
It has been said, “Not only here”

Allianza dollars are spent to raise the towering buildings for the weary bones of the workers to go back in the morning
It has been said, “Not only here”

Allianza dollars are spent to raise the towering buildings for the weary bones of the workers to be strong in the morning
So, go pack your things
Watching the building
It has been said

‘Til they stop building

Allianza dollars are spent to raise the towering buildings for the weary bones of the workers to be strong in the morning

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:32:36am

re: #672 darthstar

Reason number 436 why when I first got into online chats I joked that I was an 86 year old nun. We can be anyone we want when we’re anonymous.

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mmmirele  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:32:47am

re: #613 Anymouse

I don’t use the Outlook meeting function since I only use Outlook on my home computer.

That said, wouldn’t it be just easier to call folks, or maybe photocopy a message and send it round the office? (I guess I’m just too old-school for the modern workplace.)

Oh hahahahahaha. That is so funny. My own group (12 people), has people in five states and another country (the Philippines). That mailing list has people from five continents on it.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:32:55am

‘Repulsed’ by Megyn Kelly interview with Alex Jones, first advertiser backs away from the NBC show

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:33:27am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:33:45am

re: #698 MsJ

They are looking at the exterior cladding as the conduit to why it went up so quickly.

news.sky.com

Key pieces of the article:

The tower I live in is 12 storeys. Everything above the 5th floor is insulated with Rockwool, which is a pretty much a damn near fireproof material, then covered with a thin layer of plaster.

From what I’d read much earlier today, Rockwool is illegal in the UK - health concerns, apparently.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:36:04am

re: #704 Dr Lizardo

The tower I live in is 12 storeys. Everything above the 5th floor is insulated with Rockwool, which is a pretty much a damn near fireproof material, then covered with a thin layer of plaster.

From what I’d read much earlier today, Rockwool is illegal in the UK - health concerns, apparently.

Here is what a 2002 study on man-made mineral fibres found:

The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has reviewed the carcinogenicity of man-made mineral fibres in October 2002. The IARC Monograph’s working group concluded only the more biopersistent materials remain classified by IARC as “possibly carcinogenic to humans” (Group 2B). These include refractory ceramic fibres, which are used industrially as insulation in high-temperature environments such as blast furnaces, and certain special-purpose glass wools not used as insulating materials.

greenie website —

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:36:12am

re: #697 jaunte

I recently heard someone say that things became much clearer if you replace the word ‘regulations’ with ‘protections’.

Framing the discussion is everything.

That’s why “pro-life” gets more traction than “pro-choice.” Who would be against pro-life? Only pro-death.

Instead of “pro-life” when I get into those sort of discussions it is “forced birth.” With death penalty folks (who ofttimes claim to be pro-life) I just note the hypocrisy.

Likewise with “gun control.” Control is the opposite of freedom, constitutional guarantees, &c. “Gun safety” (citing the NRA’s own rules) is much less triggering for poor conservatives and their PC speech issues.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:36:21am

re: #704 Dr Lizardo

My husband read an article that somewhere in Oregon they are building a high-rise completely out of timber…because that is what defines the area. We were wondering how this could ever get past building codes. Timber might as well be called tinder or kindling.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:38:18am

re: #705 Birth Control Works

greenie website —

Ah, OK. Here in the Czech Republic, to be honest, no one really cares about piffly things like cancer. The general attitude is, “What? You wanna live forever or something?”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:39:26am

re: #701 mmmirele

Oh hahahahahaha. That is so funny. My own group (12 people), has people in five states and another country (the Philippines). That mailing list has people from five continents on it.

Well, walking to The Philippines to hand a flyer out would be a bit tricky I imagine. I suppose you could send an E-mail with the times (and a follow up). You could still telephone everyone (though The Philippines might be a bit expensive).

For my town government it’s not too hard: pick up the phone or walk over to people’s houses. For meetings flyers go up in the General Store, the library, the Post Office, and the gun shop.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:39:36am

re: #686 Belafon

#663 darthstar

But isn’t the real problem that Renee used cuss words?

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She should have called airport security and reported him as a threat. Let him spend 3 hours explaining to the TSA why he was threatening other passengers.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:40:07am

re: #686 Belafon

#663 darthstar

But isn’t the real problem that Renee used cuss words?

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And still called him a fucking asshole while doing it.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:40:22am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:41:31am

re: #657 The Vicious Babushka

UPDATE: I found Jacob and his Mac Book Pro at the airport bar and cussed him out for sending me the Pepe image.

— Renee Bracey Sherman

Cussed him out? The left is so violent and intolerant.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:45:58am

re: #708 Dr Lizardo

Ah, OK. Here in the Czech Republic, to be honest, no one really cares about piffly things like cancer. The general attitude is, “What? You wanna live forever or something?”

I rather feel that way as well, yet, when kids grow-up with this kind of thing, they die younger and younger. In the long run, it is economically unsound to use such products.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:46:20am

I also want to know how she found him.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:46:49am

Off-topic, Small town government life:

I just got an E-mail from the state on ageing water mains. They noted that the Village of Morrill (to our west in Scott’s Bluff County) just replaced a 100-yo section of water main in the village that had massive holes in it.

The state was concerned about our water mains as well and suggested I look into our water main system and report back … our village replaced the miles of water main back in 2011 with modern plastic mains, so we’re good.

Morrill is scheduled to replace its village’s entire water main system this summer at a cost of many dollars.

We’ll be working on getting our water tower fixed this summer so we have plenty to do as well. Too bad the iron company can’t get here before fly season and bird nest building season starts. Those are the two principal reasons that sometimes we have to chlorinate our water - most of the time we just pump it out of the ground and straight to homes.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:47:08am

re: #715 Belafon

I also want to know how she found him.

Looked for the swastika or SS bolts engraved on the lid of the Macbook.

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Bass Reeves  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:47:16am

re: #709 Anymouse

Doesn’t really work in a business environment, neither phoning everyone (different time zones/office hours) or email (still uses Outlook).

It doesn’t even work in the military above the Company level anymore.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:47:20am

re: #706 Anymouse

Framing the discussion is everything.

That’s why “pro-life” gets more traction than “pro-choice.” Who would be against pro-life? Only pro-death.

Instead of “pro-life” when I get into those sort of discussions it is “forced birth.” With death penalty folks (who ofttimes claim to be pro-life) I just note the hypocrisy.

Likewise with “gun control.” Control is the opposite of freedom, constitutional guarantees, &c. “Gun safety” (citing the NRA’s own rules) is much less triggering for poor conservatives and their PC speech issues.

Yes, Pro-Choice is out. I use phrases like Repro Health.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:47:58am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:48:33am

re: #646 sagehen

There were two assasination attempts tried on Jackson, both failed.

And then there was the attempt on FDR that killed Chicago Mayor Cermak.

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Bass Reeves  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:48:40am

re: #715 Belafon

Look for the douchebag chortling for no reason, peek at his screen?

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lizardofid  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:48:51am

re: #698 MsJ

They are looking at the exterior cladding as the conduit to why it went up so quickly.

news.sky.com

Key pieces of the article:

Was there a problem with exterior sheathing in a bad fire is the mid east a while back?

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Franklin  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:48:58am

re: #715 Belafon

I also want to know how she found him.

May have noticed him on the plane and noticed him using a MacBook at the airport cafe. The AirDrop prompt displayed the sender as “Jacobs MacBook Pro”. Walk by and say “Jacob?”. Gotcha.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:49:01am

My town is part of a system that TXTS people. I know when to avoid certain intersections because of traffic/accident issues. I know when there has been a home invasion. Right now they are circulating a CC TV image of an armed robber —asking for help in identifying/locating the person.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:49:17am

re: #715 Belafon

I also want to know how she found him.

I’d guess AirPlay and Location Services.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:50:10am

re: #720 The Vicious Babushka

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Fucker.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:50:41am

re: #718 Bass Reeves

Doesn’t really work in a business environment, neither phoning everyone (different time zones/office hours) or email (still uses Outlook).

It doesn’t even work in the military above the Company level anymore.

Mimeograph with a manual typewriter or GTFO.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:51:03am

re: #723 lizardofid

Was there a problem with exterior sheathing in a bad fire is the mid east a while back?

New Year’s Eve, want it? In either Dubai or the UAE?

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Franklin  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:51:09am

Also, a bit of security advice, the reason Jacob was able to airdrop pepe had little to do with Bluetooth being enabled and more to do with having airdrop configured to allow requests from “everyone” instead of only from contacts. Doesn’t excuse Jacob obv.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:51:50am

re: #727 HappyWarrior

Fucker.

I don’t even know what this means.

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:52:22am

re: #704 Dr Lizardo

The tower I live in is 12 storeys. Everything above the 5th floor is insulated with Rockwool, which is a pretty much a damn near fireproof material, then covered with a thin layer of plaster.

From what I’d read much earlier today, Rockwool is illegal in the UK - health concerns, apparently.

re: #705 Birth Control Works

greenie website —

Rockwool and glass fiber wool aren’t that harmful provided you use them properly and in a way which contains the fibers if there is a hole in the wall etc. Post-construction cleaning is also key.

As to plaster, NOPE!, I would go with 2 layers of drywall, one of the fire rated variety. On each side of the rockwool.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:52:26am

re: #677 HappyWarrior

Fuck off Newt. Did you say a damn word when Jesse Helms said that Clinton would need a bodyguard in North Carolina? Really just shut the fuck up, you pathetic hack.

Newt —WTF, The man can’t keep it in his pants and the Whackos treat him like a prophet. Just like so many other cults.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:53:35am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:53:42am

re: #731 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t even know what this means.

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They might be on to liberals actually owning guns, but we’re hiding it from the world by not posting our arsenals all over social media to lull conservatives into a false sense of security or something?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:53:47am

re: #720 The Vicious Babushka

Since it was a Sanders supporting socialist that shot up Virgina, aren’t all you assholes in #TheResistance technically responsible?

— Dan Ka

Yes everyone who’s ever used the hashtag are responsible. Brilliant observation.

////

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lizardofid  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:54:02am

re: #729 MsJ

New Year’s Eve, want it? In either Dubai or the UAE?

Yes, Dubai, it was a similar case, were it went up so fast.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:54:10am

re: #731 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t even know what this means.

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They’re the ones always staying ‘Libs are pussies’ and they have all the guns so we damned well better watch out backs when that Civil War Part 2 happens.

Guess not.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:54:17am

re: #735 Anymouse

It’s a crafty plan.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:54:51am

re: #677 HappyWarrior

Fuck off Newt. Did you say a damn word when Jesse Helms said that Clinton would need a bodyguard in North Carolina? Really just shut the fuck up, you pathetic hack.

Also according to Newt Susan Smith drowned her kids in SC because of welfare (1995/1996).

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Birth Control Works  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:55:11am

“Our color vision is very strange,” says James Higham, an assistant professor in NYU’s Department of Anthropology and one of the study’s co-authors. “Our green receptor and our red receptor detect very similar colors. One would think that the ideal type of color vision would look different from ours, and when we design color detection, such as for digital cameras, we construct a different type of color vision. However, we’ve now shown that when it comes to spotting changes in color linked to social cues, humans outshine the type of color vision we’ve designed for our technologies.”

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:55:13am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:55:17am

re: #736 Sir John Barron

Yes everyone who’s ever used the hashtag are responsible. Brilliant observation.

////

But people who use #tcot are lone-wolves.

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:56:20am

re: #729 MsJ

New Year’s Eve, want it? In either Dubai or the UAE?

Two New Year’s Eves ago. I remember because I was in Philadelphia for NYE and was watching it on TV.

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lizardofid  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:57:00am

re: #731 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t even know what this means.

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Sounds like Dan is describing the “a good guy with a gun, till he isn’t” phenom.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:57:23am

#720 The Vicious Babushka

Actually, all of us white males are responsible by the Code.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:57:28am

re: #732 Teukka

Rockwool and glass fiber wool aren’t that harmful provided you use them properly and in a way which contains the fibers if there is a hole in the wall etc. Post-construction cleaning is also key.

As to plaster, NOPE!, I would go with 2 layers of drywall, one of the fire rated variety. On each side of the rockwool.

Drywall here is extremely uncommon. The vast majority of residential apartment buildings here are either masonry or interlocking concrete panels. Family homes are usually masonry.

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lizardofid  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:59:01am

re: #744 makeitstop

Two New Year’s Eves ago. I remember because I was in Philadelphia for NYE and was watching it on TV.

I think the use of that material after that date should be criminal.

but maybe i’m an ass

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:00:24am

I don’t use group hashtags like #TheResistance - I think they’re silly (really, I’m probably still just angry over never getting accepted into #DumbledoresArmy)

It’s entirely possible to be against the policies of the Trump administration without hash-tagging yourself into a label that you might regret later.

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Jay C  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:00:51am

re: #698 MsJ

Design specifications seen by the Press Association suggest the renovation work carried out at Grenfell Tower included a 50mm “ventilated cavity” next to 150mm of Celotex FR5000 insulation.

So, IOW, a chimney.

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:01:06am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:01:39am

re: #741 Birth Control Works

Okay I read that article and it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

a) Anthropologist weighing in on evolution. Well, I’ll let that one go.

We detect socially-significant colour variation much better than other colours (example given is blushing). Funny that, if instead of blushing we did something like, I don’t know, turned bright orange, that would be the socially-significant colour variation we’d notice.

We use that today to detect fascist authoritarians.

Why would one think the “ideal” system to detect colour would be different than ours? Ours developed for the specific environmental pressures we faced as we evolved.

Perhaps I am not educated well enough for this fellow’s hypothesis, but to me it sounds like bollocks.

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Varek Raith  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:01:52am

re: #752 Kragar

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Wow.
I mean, wow.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:02:06am

re: #751 Jay C

I was just about to say the same thing. If they left a space, between materials, they’ve created a chimney where if fire somehow migrated into the material, it would then burn and reach supercritical temperatures along a wide range of floors - burning from the outside of the structure inwards.

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:03:03am

re: #747 Dr Lizardo

Drywall here is extremely uncommon. The vast majority of residential apartment buildings here are either masonry or interlocking concrete panels. Family homes are usually masonry.

Masonry properly grouted and of proper thickness also gets my nod of approval.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:03:34am
Let’s be honest—we all know what the problem is: The Southern Baptist Convention has over 15 million members in 47,000 churches and made $10 billion last year. A lot of those people support white supremacy, and the SBC doesn’t want to lose those tithes and offerings.

Shameless Pages Post

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:03:54am

Well, good night Lizards. Up early for work tomorrow.

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caseyjr  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:04:26am

re: #637 makeitstop

Mah doggo says hai.

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he’s well-fed. ;)

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Varek Raith  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:04:45am

Didn’t Ted Cruz’s dad kill JFK or something?
/asking for a friend.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:05:26am

re: #752 Kragar

Edward Tiller … Robert Deer … Timothy McVeigh … Dylann Roof … the National Alliance … Stormfront … not true conservatives.

This guy: The embodiment of everything to the left of Genghis Khan.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:05:39am

re: #752 Kragar

Yes we’re responsible for everyone who liked Bernie or Hillary and we should stop pursuing the investigation of how Russia demonstratedly interfered with our election and violated our sovereignty because we wouldn’t want to anger anyone.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:06:07am

re: #761 Anymouse

Edward Tiller … Robert Deer … Timothy McVeigh … Dylann Roof … the National Alliance … Stormfront … not true conservatives.

This guy: The embodiment of everything to the left of Genghis Khan.

All lone wolves. No true conservative….

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:06:39am

re: #759 caseyjr

he’s well-fed. ;)

Believe it or not, he’s not chubby. That’s 80 pounds of pure muscle.

He capable of dragging me in just about any direction he wants to go. Damned low center of gravity he’s got.

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:06:44am

re: #763 Sir John Barron

All lone wolves. No true conservative….

All with mental issues ///

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:06:51am

re: #752 Kragar

I’m amazed that Tracey or this exiled Mark fellow can put on their pants in the morning.

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:07:45am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:08:16am

re: #757 Birth Control Works

Shameless Pages Post

Yup. The vitriol of the SBC is why Jimmy Carter left it.

I’m waiting for other Christian sects to denounce the SBC for supporting racism. Oh, that’s right, they won’t. IOKIYAC.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:09:37am

re: #303 Anymouse

The wingnut in Florida with all the guns and explosives, who was originally granted bail, had that bail revoked on protest by the DOJ.

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Must have been some pot found in the bust and Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III found out.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:10:12am

re: #763 Sir John Barron

All lone wolves. No true conservative….

I mistakenly put Edward Tiller in that list. He was the victim. It should be Scott Raeder.

Atlanta Olympics bomber (and Birmingham abortion clinic bomber) plus all the people who helped him hide from the cops … the wingnuts in Las Vegas that came from the Bundy Ranch and shot two police officers eating lunch …

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:10:20am

re: #767 Kragar

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gocart mozart  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:10:32am
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Birth Control Works  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:11:45am

re: #753 Anymouse

Okay I read that article and it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

a) Anthropologist weighing in on evolution. Well, I’ll let that one go.

We detect socially-significant colour variation much better than other colours (example given is blushing). Funny that, if instead of blushing we did something like, I don’t know, turned bright orange, that would be the socially-significant colour variation we’d notice.

We use that today to detect fascist authoritarians.

Why would one think the “ideal” system to detect colour would be different than ours? Ours developed for the specific environmental pressures we faced as we evolved.

Perhaps I am not educated well enough for this fellow’s hypothesis, but to me it sounds like bollocks.

I think the gist of the article is that our technology (digital cameras) does not see the world as we do. (.To which I can attest —in my forays into digital photography and photoshop, I have big problems making skin look right to me.) Animals other than Humans and Primates seem not to have this variation (as I guess not all animals have trichromic color vision).

I does help to explain how we got to the top of the food chain.

The ideal system would capture color/light as it is, objectively. We perceive color/light as it is necessary to our survival —subjectively.

Red is red because we all agree that it is red —not because it is on a certain part of the light wave.

I used to sell cosmetics. There are all kinds of colors of mascara —black, off black, blackest black etc. One customer asked me, “Isn’t black was black?”

I started thinking of light waves travelling thru space and decided I had no way to answer her question.

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:14:01am

re: #770 Anymouse

I was thinking you meant George Tiller, the doctor who was shot by Shelley Shannon

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:14:06am

re: #773 Birth Control Works

I think the gist of the article is that our technology (digital cameras) does not see the world as we do.

Thanks for clearing that up. He wrote a whole lot that would have been more easily explained if you’d written the article.

I presume an anthropologist isn’t writing for someone like me though.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:16:20am

re: #774 Kragar

I was thinking you meant George Tiller, the doctor who was shot by Shelley Shannon

I think your right on his name.

That said, Shelley Shannon shot him and he survived. Scott Roeder shot him in his church.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:16:39am

re: #775 Anymouse

Thanks for clearing that up. He wrote a whole lot that would have been more easily explained if you’d written the article.

I presume an anthropologist isn’t writing for someone like me though.

I started studying color/light as a non-major in high school. I find it fascinating.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:16:39am

re: #767 Kragar

Alex Pizzagate Jones might want to reconsider his stupid use of hashtags.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:17:28am

re: #772 gocart mozart

Wow, who is that guy? King of the fifty-cent word?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:17:54am

The local news in San Francisco is reporting there are multiple people dead in that mass shooting, including the shooter.

kron4.com

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:20:04am

re: #732 Teukka

Rockwool and glass fiber wool aren’t that harmful provided you use them properly and in a way which contains the fibers if there is a hole in the wall etc. Post-construction cleaning is also key.

As to plaster, NOPE!, I would go with 2 layers of drywall, one of the fire rated variety. On each side of the rockwool.

Is “rockwool” basically asbestos? Hideous shit. Especially dangerous to construction workers who don’t have appropriate breathing apparatus supplied by their employers.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:20:16am

re: #778 Sir John Barron

Alex Pizzagate Jones might want to reconsider his stupid use of hashtags.

Could CNN sue him into penury for slander?

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:20:34am

re: #776 Anymouse

I think your right on his name.

That said, Shelley Shannon shot him and he survived. Scott Roeder shot him in his church.

Shannon was also an arsonist who attempted to burn down several abortion centers.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:21:11am

re: #780 Anymouse

The local news in San Francisco is reporting there are multiple people dead in that mass shooting, including the shooter.

kron4.com

Workplace shooting.

I had no idea there was a Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital.

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:21:14am

re: #734 darthstar

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Let’s also point out that events like this is exactly why affordable health insurance is so important.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:22:11am

re: #785 sagehen

Let’s also point out that events like this is exactly why affordable health insurance is so important.

Guns for all! Mental health care for none.

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caseyjr  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:22:47am

re: #781 sagehen

Is “rockwool” basically asbestos? Hideous shit. Especially dangerous to construction workers who don’t have appropriate breathing apparatus supplied by their employers.

No, it’s rockwool. you can use it for insulation (it repels mice, rats and snakes) or fire-stopping. Fiberglass insulation burns, and harbors vermin.

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:23:04am

re: #781 sagehen

Is “rockwool” basically asbestos? Hideous shit. Especially dangerous to construction workers who don’t have appropriate breathing apparatus supplied by their employers.

Not that I recall, far from as hideous as asbestos. But you should wear a mouth mask, and whatever you do, take a cold shower to get the fibers off.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:24:11am

re: #753 Anymouse

one think the “ideal” system to detect colour would be different than ours? Ours developed for the specific environmental pressures we faced as we evolved.

Perhaps I am not educated well enough for this fellow’s hypothesis, but to me it sounds like bollocks.

Because he is looking at it ass backwards. Social cues are not going to push enough force on evolution to cause change over much more base issues, such as reproduction. And, our sight evolved long before our social cues became relevant. Our sight has adapted to what we need to survive, not to what our psychology dictates.

We have a narrow band of the electromagnetic spectrum to see our world in, we work with what we got.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:25:54am

re: #789 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Well, we have a lot of electromagnetic spectrum to work with, though HF ham radio would be a problem if we could see HF.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:26:43am

re: #782 Anymouse

Could CNN sue him into penury for slander?

It would be lovely to think so.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:27:52am
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sagehen  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:28:04am

re: #784 MsJ

Workplace shooting.

I had no idea there was a Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital.

Zuckerberg’s wife is a pediatrician. They give *oodles* of money to medical research and treatment.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:28:46am

re: #785 sagehen

Let’s also point out that events like this is exactly why affordable health insurance is so important.

Nope. To the small l libertarians, you only deserve to live if you can afford it.
To Christians (especially of the wingnut flavour) it is part of God’s plan.
To those who see people disabled by shootings (and disability in general), they exist as “inspiration” for them.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:29:18am

re: #792 Stanley Sea

What are you some kind of SJW?

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:29:51am

re: #792 Stanley Sea

Now there’s a fundraising intro!

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:29:55am

re: #757 Birth Control Works

Shameless Pages Post

I’m going to put this out here…

Christianity for black people is different than Christianity for white people. That’s not even getting into the issues with the Southern Baptists. Yes, slavery is the reason.

For black people in the United States, Christianity is simultaneously the source of hope and fear.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:30:23am

Not the Onion?

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:31:25am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:32:22am

re: #797 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

I’m going to put this out here…

Christianity for black people is different than Christianity for white people. That’s not even getting into the issues with the Southern Baptists. Yes, slavery is the reason.

For black people in the United States, Christianity is simultaneously the source of hope and fear.

I’ll admit freely I don’t understand all the nuance of various Christian sects and those who are part of them. Same with other religions like Islam or Hinduism.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:32:30am

New research finds mindless drawing produces psychological benefits.

This would be me —edges of textbooks and notebooks while in school —so bored, I drew. No different than that people who were bored and caused trouble. I just defaced books.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:32:53am

re: #798 lawhawk

Not the Onion?

Nobody believed it and our base hates it anyway.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:32:57am

re: #720 The Vicious Babushka

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Gun nut who won’t even buy American.

(The avatar picture is the logo of H&K, a German firearms manufacturer.)

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:34:05am

re: #803 Timothy Watson

Gun nut who won’t even buy American.

(The avatar picture is the logo of H&K, a German firearms manufacturer.)

Parts of the right have a strong Germanophilia.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:34:31am

re: #800 Anymouse

I’ll admit freely I don’t understand all the nuance of various Christian sects and those who are part of them. Same with other religions like Islam or Hinduism.

Some of us inside the various sects don’t understand all the nuances either.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:34:36am

re: #800 Anymouse

I’ll admit freely I don’t understand all the nuance of various Christian sects and those who are part of them. Same with other religions like Islam or Hinduism.

My experience is that Black Christians are not haters.

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:35:57am
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darthstar  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:36:19am
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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:37:48am

re: #803 Timothy Watson

He’s a Kochhandler.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:37:52am

re: #806 Birth Control Works

My experience is that Black Christians are not haters.

See Atlah World Ministries and other similar African-American churches for a refutation of that experience.

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:38:05am

re: #800 Anymouse

I’ll admit freely I don’t understand all the nuance of various Christian sects and those who are part of them. Same with other religions like Islam or Hinduism.

The comment I left on that page:

The SBC was founded, entirely and explicitly, to support white supremacy.

Until the 1830’s there was one Baptist Church. Many of the northern congregations were abolitionist, who pushed for the entire denomination to make their missionaries disavow slavery. That’s why there was a schism, that’s how the Southern Baptist denomination came into being.

That’s also where they came up with the idea of literal reading of scripture, and the whole concept of biblical inerrancy — because there’s some verses about how slaves are supposed to be obedient and should never rebel, and some about how people of different tribes/races shouldn’t mix.

(for more information… Slacktivist writes about this fairly often.)

ETA: in 1995, the SBC finally issued a resolution that they realized the Bible did not in fact require segregation or forbid interracial marriage. “whoops, we’ve been reading it wrong. So sorry, our bad.”
sbc.net

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retired cynic  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:38:31am

OT, and I am going to CL this thread, but this is so interesting, and beautiful, and it’s a horrific day that needs brightening: aramcoworld.com

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Birth Control Works  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:39:33am

re: #809 darthstar

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So, carrying a firearm is going to prevent someone from shooting you while you are distracted doing something else?

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BigPapa  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:39:55am

I’ve already had my first block who melted down and called me a deranged lunatic because I merely made the distinction between Bernie and the right: Bernie has contributed to an environment of heated rhetoric and tapped into a white rage but it falls well short of inciting and calling for violence.

Lunatic basically put Berners in with the inciteful right. I agreed they wholesale traded in narratives and memes, especially hating on Hillary, but I wasn’t going there.

I’m still not.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:42:55am

re: #799 jaunte

No news on any of the New York news outlets I can find about a shooting at Barclay’s, nor anything on the NYPD Website or blog.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:43:06am

re: #806 Birth Control Works

My experience is that Black Christians are not haters.

MLK > Bryan Fischer

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weave  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:43:16am

So where are all the liberal equivalents of SMOTI who are looking at every single thing this nutjob has said and done or given money to, and soon as we find one single instance of him supporting a Republican or conservative cause, start screaming that it PROVES he’s really a Trump supporter at heart?

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:46:33am

re: #816 Anymouse

Probably just an argument and gun discharge. Background noise at this point, if there weren’t multiple victims.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:47:16am

re: #814 Birth Control Works

So, carrying a firearm is going to prevent someone from shooting you while you are distracted doing something else?

No. Part of gun worship religion. The one with the element of surprise always gets the first shot. If the shooter is good, it will also be the last shot.

Concealed carry for self-protection (other than limited situations such as a guard), or even open carry, is a myth.

All those guys wandering around with tacticool rifles slung across their backs could be bludgeoned to death with a baseball bat before they could get them around to where they could use them. (There is a reason why infantry units patrol holding their guns, not porting them around on their backs.)

Pistols have been known to get stuck in holsters, or fall out and fire from the floor.

That goes back to making the NRA’s safety rules law: There are no accidents, just negligence. Your gun goes off because you dropped it or shot yourself in the foot, you go to jail.

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weave  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:47:25am

re: #814 Birth Control Works

So, carrying a firearm is going to prevent someone from shooting you while you are distracted doing something else?

Exactly. The other one that makes me cringe is the open carry justifiers. At least get a CCW permit and keep that thing hidden. If I was a bad guy with a gun I’d case out a joint looking for potential threats first and neutralize them. If you”re packing visibly and sitting at a lunch counter, you’re not going to be able to defend against someone coming up behind you and getting the first shot. No matter what, the bad guy with a gun is always going to get a free first shot if they have the element of surprise on their side.

In fact, if you take a CCW training course (as I have) they tell you over and over again NOT to open carry. It’s stupid.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:50:54am

re: #821 weave

Exactly. The other one that makes me cringe is the open carry justifiers. At least get a CCW permit and keep that thing hidden. If I was a bad guy with a gun I’d case out a joint looking for potential threats first and neutralize them. If you”re packing visibly and sitting at a lunch counter, you’re not going to be able to defend against someone coming up behind you and getting the first shot. No matter what, the bad guy with a gun is always going to get a free first shot if they have the element of surprise on their side.

In fact, if you take a CCW training course (as I have) they tell you over and over again NOT to open carry. It’s stupid.

My state has open carry, primarily because it’s almost entirely rural. That said, we don’t have wingnuts wandering around open carrying just for the hell of it. (You might occasionally see someone in town walking with a rifle toward the river or the Sandhills for hunting, but that’s it.)

I took my shotgun a few months ago to the gun shop (around the corner from me) to have the gunsmith inspect it for safety and mechanical soundness: He reminded me to bring it to him in a case.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 14, 2017 • 12:26:57pm

re: #40 freetoken

It’s a chipper morning:

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*groan*

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2017 • 3:00:34pm

re: #781 sagehen

re: #788 Teukka

Not that I recall, far from as hideous as asbestos. But you should wear a mouth mask, and whatever you do, take a cold shower to get the fibers off.

Rockwool is probably a lot of different things. The variety I’m familiar with was a fiber made from molten steel mill stony slag, produced by blowing air through it. It had some of the mechanical properties of some kinds of asbestos. Asbestosis arises from mechanical action more than chemical. At least it was so explained back in the day.

Aside: I’m on lithotripsy reprieve today—the machine is booked.


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