WaPo: Trump Is Now Under Investigation for Obstruction of Justice

Much more than just a “he said, he said” dispute
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Another shoe drops for the Trump clown show, as the Washington Post reports that Trump himself is now being investigated for obstruction of justice.

The special counsel overseeing the investigation into Russia’s role in the 2016 election is interviewing senior intelligence officials as part of a widening probe that now includes an examination of whether President Trump attempted to obstruct justice, officials said.

The move by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III to investigate Trump’s conduct marks a major turning point in the nearly year-old FBI investigation, which until recently focused on Russian meddling during the presidential campaign and on whether there was any coordination between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. Investigators have also been looking for any evidence of possible financial crimes among Trump associates, officials said.

Dare we hope this is the beginning of the end for the sleaziest, most corrupt bastard ever to reside in the Oval Office?

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1
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:46:59pm

I expect to come back from my fishing vacation weekend to find Mr. Trump has had Mr. Mueller fired.

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Whack-A-Mole  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:47:44pm

re: #1 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I expect to come back from my fishing vacation weekend to find Mr. Trump has had Mr. Mueller fired.

Won’t be surprised if it happens before you leave.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:50:47pm

I know I’m going out on a limb here:

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Myron Falwell  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:52:20pm

re: #1 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I expect to come back from my fishing vacation weekend to find Mr. Trump has had Mr. Mueller fired.

If/when that happens, the already existing shitshow will get even worse. For him.

Trump is his own worst enemy. Ordering Rothenstein to fire Muller (or firing Rothenstein and hiring a lackey to fire Muller) will not help him in any way.

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Skip Intro  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:52:47pm

re: #3 lawhawk

If not Trump then Trump Jr. who appears to have nothing else to do.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:53:12pm
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Whack-A-Mole  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:53:19pm

re: #1 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

re: #2 Whack-A-Mole

The GOP tomorrow: “The Special Counsel Investigation is contributing to the heated political rhetoric that caused yesterday’s shooting so it must be shut down for the good of the country and to prevent any other Democrats from giving in to their naturally violent impulses.”

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LastYearsMan  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:53:41pm

Sorry if my comments seemed overly negative last night. It was a really depressing day news-wise, and I let it all get to me.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:53:57pm

re: #4 Myron Falwell

If/when that happens, the already existing shitshow will get even worse. For him.

Trump is his own worst enemy. Ordering Rothenstein to fire Muller (or firing Rothenstein and hiring a lackey to fire Muller) will not help him in any way.

But the Saturday Night Massacre worked so great for Nixon!/

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Skip Intro  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:54:09pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Trump is waiting for Sean Hannity to tell him what to do.

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LastYearsMan  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:54:54pm

The longer this Trump insanity goes on, the more it feels like a really shitty season of The Sopranos.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:55:49pm

re: #4 Myron Falwell

If/when that happens, the already existing shitshow will get even worse. For him.

Trump is his own worst enemy. Ordering Rothenstein to fire Muller (or firing Rothenstein and hiring a lackey to fire Muller) will not help him in any way.

Well, it would basically follow the Watergate pattern almost exactly, would it not?

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:56:50pm

re: #7 Whack-A-Mole

The GOP Tomorrow: “The SC Investigation is contributing to the heated political rhetoric that caused yesterday’s shooting so it must be shut down for the good of the country and to prevent any other Democrats from giving in to their naturally violent impulses.”

Trump is a least thinking about it, I suspect. And ordering the FBI to refocus on left-wing domestic terrorism instead of the fake Russia thing. Bring Kathy Griffin in for waterboarding, and a hell of a lot worse!!

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:58:55pm

re: #10 Skip Intro

Trump is waiting for Sean Hannity to tell him what to do.

Hannity will be raving about Democrat inspired political violence, because no president has ever been subject to more violent political rhetoric than Trump!

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Myron Falwell  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:59:04pm

re: #12 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Well, it would basically follow the Watergate pattern almost exactly, would it not?

Didn’t Watergate take a bit longer to unfold, tho?

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Skip Intro  Jun 14, 2017 • 4:59:34pm

re: #15 Myron Falwell

Didn’t Watergate take a bit longer to unfold, tho?

Yeah, six years more.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:00:04pm

re: #15 Myron Falwell

Didn’t Watergate take a bit longer to unfold, tho?

Same pattern, compressed timeline. Wonder how much of that is due to the much quicker flow of information in the Information Age.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:01:31pm

re: #17 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Same pattern, compressed timeline. Wonder how much of that is due to the much quicker flow of information in the Information Age.

It helps that Trump confessed to obstruction on national tv, while Nixon’s plotting had to be revealed when his secret tapes were obtained.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:01:33pm

re: #15 Myron Falwell

Didn’t Watergate take a bit longer to unfold, tho?

Like I said the other day, Watergate on speed.

re: #16 Skip Intro

Yeah, six years more.

Though, to be fair, I don’t recall anyone being indicted/convicted of any crimes committed prior to the 1972 election season.

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Skip Intro  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:01:45pm

re: #17 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Also Trump is so much more corrupt than Nixon ever was that he should have been looking at impeachment on Day 2.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:01:47pm

re: #16 Skip Intro

Yeah, six years more.

Actually, about two. The Watergate break-in was in 1972, during President Nixon’s campaign for reëlection.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:02:00pm

re: #17 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Same pattern, compressed timeline. Wonder how much of that is due to the much quicker flow of information in the Information Age.

Funny thing is that the WaPo was at the forefront of both.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:02:12pm

re: #18 Big Beautiful Door

It helps that Trumo confessed to obstruction on national tv, while Nixon’s plotting had to be revealed when his secret tapes were obtained.

Hence John Oliver calling it ‘Stupid Watergate’.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:03:09pm

As so many have pointed out before, what Trump’s doing and has done to date is far more serious than anything done by Bill Clinton, let alone Richard Nixon.

Clinton’s obstruction of justice is kid’s play compared to what Trump’s done so far, and he’s not done yet. Trump’s actions include the incessant emoluments clause violations. It also includes the seditious acts of his staff, and his covering up for them (or attempt to do so with Sessions, et al., trying to thwart investigations in to what Russia did during the 2016 election season).

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Skip Intro  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:03:33pm

re: #19 Blind Frog Belly White

Like I said the other day, Watergate on speed.

Though, to be fair, I don’t recall anyone being indicted/convicted of any crimes committed prior to the 1972 election season.

CREEP (talk about a great acronym) didn’t go into the burglary business before 1972.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:03:37pm

re: #17 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Same pattern, compressed timeline. Wonder how much of that is due to the much quicker flow of information in the Information Age.

That and when Watergate happened there wasn’t a whole lot of established case law that covered what the Nixon administration was trying to pull. As a result of court decisions and subsequent anti-corruption laws that were passed by Congress in the aftermath, there is a MUCH clearer path to follow.

Also, Nixon for the most part kept his mouth shut in regards to public comments, and didn’t shoot himself in the foot every half hour with over-the-top lies.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:04:41pm
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EPR-radar  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:05:42pm

To the Malevolent Toad presently befouling the White House:

I hope you enjoy the birthday present of finding out that you are now officially under investigation, instead of being ‘completely vindicated’ as you have said in your prior public image training sessions.

I know you will handle this development with the characteristic intelligence and good sense that has marked all acts of your administration thus far. So I confidently expect some exceptionally stupid presidential* tweets on this subject in the next few hours.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:06:16pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:06:32pm

Kasowitz throwing accusations with no supporting evidence. Like client, like lawyer.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:07:15pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

A comment there…

Heh.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:07:30pm

re: #25 Skip Intro

CREEP (talk about a great acronym) didn’t go into the burglary business before 1972.

I remember when I first read up on the Watergate scandal and realized the origin of the acronym. I was like, please, dear God, tell me they didn’t do that on purpose.

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Jay C  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:07:49pm

re: #17 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Same pattern, compressed timeline. Wonder how much of that is due to the much quicker flow of information in the Information Age.

Most, if not all of it, IMO. Back in the mid-70’s all we had in the way of “mass media” was 1) [one-way] Broadcast TV; 2) Print media (newspapers and magazines); 3) word-of-mouth (personal conversations and voice telephones). Not that those were the Dark Ages: but a far cry from the all-pervasive, multiply-interactive INternet-driven media world of 2017. Where anything and everything (no matter how stupid, partisan, biased or just plain insane) can get promulgated basically to half the entire world almost instantaneously.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:09:04pm

re: #29 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:10:21pm

re: #33 Jay C

Most, if not all of it, IMO. Back in the mid-70’s all we had in the way of “mass media” was 1) [one-way] Broadcast TV; 2) Print media (newspapers and magazines); 3) word-of-mouth (personal conversations and voice telephones). Not that those were the Dark Ages: but a far cry from the all-pervasive, multiply-interactive INternet-driven media world of 2017. Where anything and everything (no matter how stupid, partisan, biased or just plain insane) can get promulgated basically to half the entire world almost instantaneously.

We also had Telex and telegraphs. /old person

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Skip Intro  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:11:06pm

re: #32 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I remember when I first read up on the Watergate scandal and realized the origin of the acronym. I was like, please, dear God, tell me they didn’t do that on purpose.

It was a great time. We had Spiro Agnew taking bribes in his White House office, and giving speeches with zingers like “nattering nabobs of negativism”, “pusillanimous pussyfooters”, and my favorite of all time “an effete corps of impudent snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals”.

I’d love to watch Trump try to read that last one out loud.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:11:23pm
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Jay C  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:11:35pm

re: #32 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I remember when I first read up on the Watergate scandal and realized the origin of the acronym. I was like, please, dear God, tell me they didn’t do that on purpose.

IIRC, at the time, the preferred Republican version of the Committee to Re-Elect the President’s acronym was “CREP” rather than “CREEP”.

No big difference.
Not in Yiddish, anyway…

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Skip Intro  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:12:44pm

re: #38 Jay C

My recollection is that everybody used CREEP. How could you not?

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:13:28pm

re: #24 lawhawk

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As so many have pointed out before, what Trump’s doing and has done to date is far more serious than anything done by Bill Clinton, let alone Richard Nixon.

Clinton’s obstruction of justice is kid’s play compared to what Trump’s done so far, and he’s not done yet. Trump’s actions include the incessant emoluments clause violations. It also includes the seditious acts of his staff, and his covering up for them (or attempt to do so with Sessions, et al., trying to thwart investigations in to what Russia did during the 2016 election season).

They lost me at this last paragraph. Fuck em. Let it die.

That’s why Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., for example, used his time at last week’s Senate Intelligence Committee hearing to ask Comey questions that excused, lessened and dismissed the possible connection between the Russians and Trump. It’s not that Trump has wooed Rubio; it’s that the Florida senator is aware of the power of the 39 percent.

Of course, the 39 percent will ultimately kill the Republican Party unless we can turn them around.

A dead GOP would deprive a generation of Americans of the free-enterprise and individual-accountability solutions that thoughtful people such as Rubio would like to offer.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:14:04pm

Reading some of those troll comments downstairs, I’m really starting to think there’s actually only one real comment troll in the whole world, because the kinds of things it posts are always the same. I don’t know how that one troll manages to post on so many sites.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:14:38pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

Reading some of those troll comments downstairs, I’m really starting to think there’s actually only one real comment troll in the whole world, because the kinds of things it posts are always the same. I don’t know how that one troll manages to post on so many sites.

It’s a hive mind, Charles. One singular consciousness, many drones typing on keyboards.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:14:53pm

re: #40 MsJ

They lost me at this last paragraph. Fuck em. Let it die.

Yes, Rubio isn’t a thoughtful person. Rubio is someone who got nominated for the Senate bitching about Charlie Crist being too nice to Obama.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:16:16pm

re: #40 MsJ

They lost me at this last paragraph. Fuck em. Let it die.

Since when did Democrats say anything about abolishing free enterprise and individual accountability? Those are conservative traits - is there anything the GOP doesn’t project about (aside for their love of the NRA)?

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:17:11pm
Dare we hope this is the beginning of the end for the sleaziest, most corrupt bastard ever to reside in the Oval Office?

Or at least the end of the beginning.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:17:15pm

The fact of the matter is the GOP hasn’t been a serious center right party for a long time.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:17:20pm

re: #42 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It’s a hive mind, Charles. One singular consciousness, many drones typing on keyboards.

WE ARE THE TROLL. YOU WILL BE EXASPERATED. REFUTATION IS FUTILE.

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:17:22pm

I missed the troll BBQ downstairs.

😔

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:17:34pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

Reading some of those troll comments downstairs, I’m really starting to think there’s actually only one real comment troll in the whole world, because the kinds of things it posts are always the same. I don’t know how that one troll manages to post on so many sites.

A much bigger server system than you have perhaps? Fibre-optic line right into the warehouse holding the servers?

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EPR-radar  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:17:39pm

re: #40 MsJ

A dead GOP would be the best thing to happen in the US since the end of Jim Crow.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:17:54pm

re: #45 sagehen

Or at least the end of the beginning.

Maybe even the end of the beginning of the end….

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:18:00pm

re: #50 EPR-radar

A dead GOP would be the best thing to happen in the US since the end of Jim Crow.

It would be. It really would be.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:18:07pm

re: #46 HappyWarrior

The fact of the matter is the GOP hasn’t been a serious center right party for a long time.

Not in my lifetime. Over half-a-century.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:18:39pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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Tomorrow morning after watching a bit of Fox and Friends who will ask the innocent question “Why does President Trump tolerate a biased Special Prosecutor?”

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:18:49pm

re: #11 LastYearsMan

The longer this Trump insanity goes on, the more it feels like a really shitty season of The Sopranos.

That’s just silly. Tony Soprano was smart, knew how to cover his tracks, and self-aware enough to realize when he needed psychological counseling.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:19:08pm

re: #46 HappyWarrior

The fact of the matter is the GOP hasn’t been a serious center right party for a long time.

They started losing it when Nixon began appealing to the racists with dogwhistles.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:19:11pm

re: #47 Blind Frog Belly White

WE ARE THE TROLL. YOU WILL BE EXASPERATED. REFUTATION IS FUTILE.

…And considering I’m binge-watching The Next Generation right now, this is exactly appropriate. One Internet for you.

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Skip Intro  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:19:39pm

re: #51 Blind Frog Belly White

Maybe even the end of the beginning of the end….

I think it goes “The beginning of the end of the beginning”.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:20:15pm

re: #56 Blind Frog Belly White

They started losing it when Nixon began appealing to the racists with dogwhistles.

Yep.

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:20:22pm

re: #16 Skip Intro

Yeah, six years more.

Not even close. The underlying crimes in Watergate were during his reelection campaign (1972); his resignation was summer of ‘74.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:20:24pm

re: #39 Skip Intro

My recollection is that everybody used CREEP. How could you not?

Everyone called it “creep”. “Crepe” was too French.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:20:42pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

Reading some of those troll comments downstairs, I’m really starting to think there’s actually only one real comment troll in the whole world, because the kinds of things it posts are always the same. I don’t know how that one troll manages to post on so many sites.

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Skip Intro  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:20:52pm

re: #60 sagehen

Ok four years more, with the resignation coming two years later.

Six years.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:21:30pm

re: #55 sagehen

That’s just silly. Tony Soprano was smart, knew how to cover his tracks, and self-aware enough to realize when he needed psychological counseling.

And, being from Sicilian roots, he didn’t eat his pizza with a fork.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:21:43pm

re: #55 sagehen

That’s just silly. Tony Soprano was smart, knew how to cover his tracks, and self-aware enough to realize when he needed psychological counseling.

We had a conversation yesterday about TV shows that should have been cancelled years before they finally were, and what a writer has to do to keep producing episodes when all the characters, and the story have completed their arcs.

Or, if you like, Plan 9 From Outer Space after Bela Lugosi died….

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majii  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:22:05pm

re: #10 Skip Intro

“Trump is waiting for Sean Hannity to tell him what to do.”

And, we already know he has to talk to Jeanine Pirro and get her advice before making the move to fire Mueller.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:22:19pm

I realized earlier today that we actually need the media for two reasons. The first is to be the people who investigate government for us, to inform us of what it’s doing and how well it is doing it. The second, which I just realized today, it to be in politicians faces. You know how Comey and everyone was taken aback with the way Trump has treated everyone? There is one group of people, the media, that should have seen that and pushed back. We give them the right to be rude in order to get information, because it’s what we need.

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Skip Intro  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:23:52pm

re: #66 majii

“Trump is waiting for Sean Hannity to tell him what to do.”

And, we already know he has to talk to Jeanine Pirro and get her advice before making the move to fire Mueller.

Newt Gingrich will appear to tell Trump he can fire everybody he wants, including the entire Supreme Court and all the justices on the lower courts. Fox legal experts will back him up.

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:24:03pm

re: #36 Skip Intro

It was a great time. We had Spiro Agnew taking bribes in his White House office, and giving speeches with zingers like “nattering nabobs of negativism”, “pusillanimous pussyfooters”, and my favorite of all time “an effete corps of impudent snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals”.

I’d love to watch Trump try to read that last one out loud.

There’s a theory that the evidence against Agnew was leaked by Nixon, in an attempt to distract/redirect the Watergate investigators.

Spoiler alert: it didn’t work.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:24:06pm

re: #61 Decatur Deb

Everyone called it “creep”. “Crepe” was too French.

Because they wanted to make sure the election was a fait accompli, I called them the “Committee to Pre-Elect the Resident”.

No cool acronym, but you know how I love to play with words….

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:24:26pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Trump came in thinking he was going to blow up government and end government as we know it.

And he was right. He’s done just that in just under 150 days. He’s made the nation a lot less safe, undermined national security in countless ways, and installed a bunch of know nothing incompetents for jobs they’re entirely unqualified to do, whether it’s Education Secretary or Attorney General. That they were confirmed for the positions shows the lengths to which the GOP has enabled Trump to sabotage functioning government.

At same time, Trump’s efforts at sabotage extend to Obamacare, and millions of lives hang in the balance.

He simply doesn’t care. Neither do the GOP, because all they care for is the sweet tax cuts that they get from gutting government programs they’ve sabotaged in order to claim that government isn’t working the way it should.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:25:03pm

re: #70 Blind Frog Belly White

Because they wanted to make sure the election was a fait accompli, I called them the “Committee to Pre-Elect the Resident”.

No cool acronym, but you know how I love to play with words….

Cee Pee the Res?”

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majii  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:26:16pm

re: #15 Myron Falwell

“Didn’t Watergate take a bit longer to unfold, tho?”

Yes, it did, but we didn’t have the internet then and news traveled more slowly. I was a Freshman at UGA at the time, and I remember compared to the news about Trump, the news about Nixon’s role in Watergate unfolded at a much slower pace.

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:26:26pm

Thread.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:26:29pm

re: #70 Blind Frog Belly White

Because they wanted to make sure the election was a fait accompli, I called them the “Committee to Pre-Elect the Resident”.

No cool acronym, but you know how I love to play with words….

The tragedy in Nixon’s drama was that all that shit was totally unnecessary. He was a walk-in for a second term.

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Skip Intro  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:27:03pm

re: #69 sagehen

Nixon’s error was not replacing Agnew with a madman. That’s a mistake Trump won’t make, should it come to that.

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:27:17pm

re: #53 Anymouse

Not in my lifetime. Over half-a-century.

Gerald Ford was perfectly reasonable. (and on issues of women, gays and drugs, probably the most progressive man of his generation).

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:28:25pm

re: #75 Decatur Deb

The tragedy in Nixon’s drama was that all that shit was totally unnecessary. He was a walk-in for a second term.

Despite being the man with the biggest penis in Washington, his insecurity did him in.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:28:31pm

Compassionate conservatism:

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:28:51pm

re: #76 Skip Intro

Nixon’s error was not replacing Agnew with a madman. That’s a mistake Trump won’t make, should it come to that.

His madman is already in place.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:29:28pm

re: #77 sagehen

Gerald Ford was perfectly reasonable. (and on issues of women, gays and drugs, probably the most progressive man of his generation).

I question pardoning Nixon. Party before country, even then.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:29:33pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:29:34pm

re: #73 majii

“Didn’t Watergate take a bit longer to unfold, tho?”

Yes, it did, but we didn’t have the internet then and news traveled more slowly. I was a Freshman at UGA at the time, and I remember compared to the news about Trump, the news about Nixon’s role in Watergate unfolded at a much slower pace.

The Nixon White House was not filled with stupid, backstabbing malcontents all trying to clamber over everyone else to be top of the shitpile.

Trump VALUES loyalty, but doesn’t reciprocate, so he gets the kind of loyalty you get when you publicly humiliate the people who work for you on a regular basis.

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Skip Intro  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:30:11pm

re: #80 Decatur Deb

I’m thinking Allen West, Steve King kind of madman.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:30:14pm

re: #3 lawhawk

I know I’m going out on a limb here:

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I’m estimating it starting about 4:00 a.m.

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caseyjr  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:30:24pm

re: #33 Jay C

Most, if not all of it, IMO. Back in the mid-70’s all we had in the way of “mass media” was 1) [one-way] Broadcast TV; 2) Print media (newspapers and magazines); 3) word-of-mouth (personal conversations and voice telephones). Not that those were the Dark Ages: but a far cry from the all-pervasive, multiply-interactive INternet-driven media world of 2017. Where anything and everything (no matter how stupid, partisan, biased or just plain insane) can get promulgated basically to half the entire world almost instantaneously.

I was 12-13 during watergate, and I picked up enough of the gist to argue loudly against my parents and grandmother; she was especially hard-line in Nixon’s defence. I was equally sure that he had cheated by stealing the DNC documents. I can’t say whether I picked up those views at school, or watching the hearings, but I know I never read a newspaper.

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Jay C  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:30:29pm

re: #35 Anymouse

We also had Telex and telegraphs. /old person

And faxes! /probably even more Old (1952 vintage)

Anecdote: (you know us Olds!): in the late ’60s, my father’s brokerage firm invested in one those science-fictiony gadgets known as a “facsimile transmitter”. The office typed* up stock lists (or whatever) on a sheet of paper, wrapped it around a metal cylinder on the transmitter; dialed (on a rotary dial, no less) the number in New York: and, after 90 seconds or so of connection protocol (today’s 7-second “handshake”), the thing would rotate away, scanning and transmitting the image across country in the then-amazing time of only 10 minutes for a standard 8-1/2 x 11 page. Wow! Technology!

* On a “typewriter”, i.e. what we would now call a “manually actuated impact printer”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:31:22pm

re: #77 sagehen

Gerald Ford was perfectly reasonable. (and on issues of women, gays and drugs, probably the most progressive man of his generation).

I always admired the way he treated his wife. Jerry definitely treated Betty as an equal.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:31:43pm

re: #79 Anymouse

Compassionate conservatism:

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Sick fucks.

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:31:45pm

re: #87 Jay C

And faxes! /probably even more Old (1952 vintage)

Anecdote: (you know us Olds!): in the late ’60s, my father’s brokerage firm invested in one those science-fictiony gadgets known as a “facsimile transmitter”. The office typed* up stock lists (or whatever) on a sheet of paper, wrapped it around a metal cylinder on the transmitter; dialed (on a rotary dial, no less) the number in New York: and, after 90 seconds or so of connection protocol (today’s 7-second “handshake”), the thing would rotate away, scanning and transmitting the image across country in the then-amazing time of only 10 minutes for a standard 8-1/2 x 11 page. Wow! Technology!

* On a “typewriter”, i.e. what we would now call a “manually actuated impact printer”

Hunter S. Thompson called that contraption “the Mojo Wire.”

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Brian J.  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:32:04pm

re: #4 Myron Falwell

If/when that happens, the already existing shitshow will get even worse. For him.

Trump is his own worst enemy. Ordering Rothenstein to fire Muller (or firing Rothenstein and hiring a lackey to fire Muller) will not help him in any way.

Why? The Republicans aren’t going to do anything about it, and the Democrats have their own flaming pile of… Sanders… to extinguish.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:32:06pm

re: #84 Skip Intro

I’m thinking Allen West, Steve King kind of madman.

Better than Pence. At least they’re certifiable.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:32:20pm

Back from the weeds and clean spinach.

So, it sounds like what did Trump in today was Coats and Rogers testimony in the closed sessions. It appears they stated Trump did much the same with them as he did with Comey. So, there is a pattern of behavior which just happens to look very obstructive. Trump has built his own case.

The heat is turned up this afternoon. If he fires Mueller now it will not look good to the rational parts of America.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:32:34pm

re: #81 Anymouse

I question pardoning Nixon. Party before country, even then.

I’d say pardoning Nixon made sense ONLY because he resigned rather than put the nation through the whole Impeachment process. I DEFINITELY didn’t see it that way at the time, but since Nixon took the high road by resigning, I’m willing to cut Ford slack for pardoning him.

BTW, people insist it was ‘the deal’, that Nixon resigned in exchange for the pardon, which may well be true, but the thing is, it’s unenforceable. What’s Ex-President Nixon gonna do if Ford changes his mind - unresign?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:33:00pm

Jim Wright trying to wave off commentators on arguing with what seems to be a Twitter bot (seven tweets):

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majii  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:33:52pm

re: #42 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

“It’s a hive mind, Charles. One singular consciousness, many drones typing on keyboards.”

They remind me of the Borgs in some of the Star Trek episodes, especially the Borg phrase, “Resistance is futile.” Resistance to GOP doctrine does seem to be futile because anyone in the party who dares oppose any of their politicians or beliefs is attacked and ostracized.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:34:34pm

re: #96 majii

“It’s a hive mind, Charles. One singular consciousness, many drones typing on keyboards.”

They remind me of the Borgs in some of the Star Trek episodes, especially the Borg phrase, “Resistance is futile.” Resistance to GOP doctrine does seem to be futile because anyone in the party who dares oppose any of their politicians or beliefs is attacked and ostracized.

That’s exactly the vibe I’m going for. As previously alluded, I’m watching a lot of Star Trek right now, and the similarity between the Borg and the rabid right wing is not lost on me.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:35:39pm

re: #90 teleskiguy

Hunter S. Thompson called that contraption “the Mojo Wire.”

IIRC, that’s pre-WWII tech, developed by the news wire services to transmit photos.

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EPR-radar  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:35:44pm

re: #83 Blind Frog Belly White

The Nixon White House was not filled with stupid, backstabbing malcontents all trying to clamber over everyone else to be top of the shitpile.

Trump VALUES loyalty, but doesn’t reciprocate, so he gets the kind of loyalty you get when you publicly humiliate the people who work for you on a regular basis.

If one of those fawning bootlickers surrounding tr*mp ever looks up real (or imaginary) customs of despotic regimes, he or she could become WN chief of staff instantaneously. tr*mp’s reaction to a proposal that nobody be allowed to approach his throne without crawling on their bellies to get there, with pauses for the seven Ritual Obeisances and 99 full head-banging kowtows really doesn’t bear thinking about.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:35:57pm

re: #87 Jay C

And faxes! /probably even more Old (1952 vintage)

Anecdote: (you know us Olds!): in the late ’60s, my father’s brokerage firm invested in one those science-fictiony gadgets known as a “facsimile transmitter”. The office typed* up stock lists (or whatever) on a sheet of paper, wrapped it around a metal cylinder on the transmitter; dialed (on a rotary dial, no less) the number in New York: and, after 90 seconds or so of connection protocol (today’s 7-second “handshake”), the thing would rotate away, scanning and transmitting the image across country in the then-amazing time of only 10 minutes for a standard 8-1/2 x 11 page. Wow! Technology!

* On a “typewriter”, i.e. what we would now call a “manually actuated impact printer”

Our village hall, library, and general store all have fax machines (not the rotary cylinder kind though). We still use our mimeograph machine for handouts (and the office typewriter).

The general store still has a coin-op pay phone, and the phones in town are dial.

Come for the small town, stay for the Fifties.

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majii  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:36:19pm

re: #48 teleskiguy

“I missed the troll BBQ downstairs.”

Sorry to hear that. It was delicious, simply delicious, but the troll didn’t like the meal s/he was being served.

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:36:42pm

Sarah probably isn’t too far off in this assumption.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:37:31pm

re: #91 Brian J.

Why? The Republicans aren’t going to do anything about it, and the Democrats have their own flaming pile of… Sanders… to extinguish.

Sen. Sanders v Trump and obstruction of justice and possible subversion of our democratic republic? One of these is not quite as serious as the other.

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Brian J.  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:38:38pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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If normal government is ever restored, Obama will pose quite a thorny subject for prosecutors and then historians, with regard to his successor’s alliance with Russians and other sleazes of all nations. Did he LIHOP (let it happen on purpose) or was he just really naive? Could he have anticipated large segments of the FBI and KGB working together in harmony to overthrow the government? But he’d been receiving information about their intentions and activities for over a year, so how could he not know?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:38:51pm

re: #101 majii

“I missed the troll BBQ downstairs.”

Sorry to hear that. It was delicious, simply delicious, but the troll didn’t like the meal s/he was being served.

FTFY

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:38:57pm

re: #102 teleskiguy

Sarah probably isn’t too far off in this assumption.

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Yep.

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majii  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:39:14pm

re: #50 EPR-radar

“A dead GOP would be the best thing to happen in the US since the end of Jim Crow.”

Your comment reminded me of The Atlantic article about how a resolution to condemn white supremacy and the alt-right caused the Southern Baptist Conventioneers to go into ”crisis mode.” They had to be shamed in order to eventually decide to support the resolution.

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Brian J.  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:39:52pm

re: #103 Anymouse

Sen. Sanders v Trump and obstruction of justice and possible subversion of our democratic republic? One of these is not quite as serious as the other.

Stochastic terrorism leading to the near-murder of a congressman is pretty subversive of the democratic republic, too. Donald Sanders and Bernie Trump have been playing this game for two years, and now it’s coming to a head.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:40:47pm

re: #107 majii

“A dead GOP would be the best thing to happen in the US since the end of Jim Crow.”

Your comment reminded me of The Atlantic article about how a resolution to condemn white supremacy and the alt-right caused the Southern Baptist Conventioneers to go into ”crisis mode.” They had to be shamed in order to eventually decide to support the resolution.

I really wish what I read about the SBC suprised me but it really didn’t given what I know about the history of that church. I know no church is perfect racial history wise but the SBC was literally formed to defend slavery.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:41:21pm

re: #102 teleskiguy

Sarah probably isn’t too far off in this assumption.

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The belief that “Julius Caesar” glorifies assassination ignores the fact that everyone to takes part in it ends up dead, and of all of them, only Brutus is mourned.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:42:47pm

re: #104 Brian J.

Did he LIHOP (let it happen on purpose) or was he just really naive?

When the information that the election might have been subverted became available to the President, do you think the GOP would have let him get away without trying to claim he was rodent copulating their candidate out of spite? President Obama did what he could to limit damage.

He is still there, along with both Presidents Bush, President Carter, and President Clinton. If Donald Trump is having trouble running the office, he can do what every other person in that position did: Talk to his predecessors.

Could he have anticipated large segments of the FBI and GB working together in harmony to overthrow the government? But he’d been receiving information about their intentions and activities for over a year, so how could he not know?

The CIA and FBI are not trying to overthrow the government. If you refer to Comey’s letter in October, that’s Comey, not large segments of the FBI and CIA.

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EPR-radar  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:42:49pm

re: #108 Brian J.

Stochastic terrorism leading to the near-murder of a congressman is pretty subversive of the democratic republic, too. Donald Sanders and Bernie Trump have been playing this game for two years, and now it’s coming to a head.

Stop with this false equivalency bullshit. You have still not shown anything by Sanders that approaches the “Tiller the baby killer” gold standard for stochastic terrorism. It would be a start if you could find something by Sanders that gets to tr*mp levels of rabble rousing.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:43:06pm

re: #110 Blind Frog Belly White

The belief that “Julius Caesar” glorifies assassination ignores the fact that everyone to takes part in it ends up dead, and of all of them, only Brutus is mourned.

Springsteen Born in the USA disease.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:43:48pm

re: #110 Blind Frog Belly White

The belief that “Julius Caesar” glorifies assassination ignores the fact that everyone to takes part in it ends up dead, and of all of them, only Brutus is mourned.

Trying to imagine Pence as Octavian, tarted up in a lorica segmentata and a leather mini-skirt.

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covfefe  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:44:18pm

re: #108 Brian J.

Show us one thing Sanders has said that even comes close to Trump on the campaign trail.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:45:03pm

Does anyone else get tired of all the dead horses laying around that people just can’t seem to stop beating?

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Brian J.  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:46:59pm

re: #111 Anymouse

When the information that the election might have been subverted became available to the President, do you think the GOP would have let him get away without trying to claim he was rodent copulating their candidate out of spite? President Obama did what he could to limit damage.

Obama was accused of every crime in the book, and many more that aren’t, over the previous eight years. If he really thought that presenting the evidence of Trump Inc. wrongdoing would be out of bounds because Republicans might get mad… the folly of that claim speaks for itself.

He is still there, along with both Presidents Bush, President Carter, and President Clinton. If Donald Trump is having trouble running the office, he can do what every other person in that position did: Talk to his predecessors.

Want an assessment of the probability of that? Rhymes with hero.

The CIA and FBI are not trying to overthrow the government. If you refer to Comey’s letter in October, that’s Comey, not large segments of the FBI and CIA.

They’re not trying to overthrow the government because they already did it!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:47:42pm

re: #116 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Does anyone else get tired of all the dead horses laying around that people just can’t seem to stop beating?

I mean, sheesh. Instead of beating them, maybe we should just go ahead and send them off to the glue factory or turn them into imitation hamburger.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:48:08pm

re: #116 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Is it question time again?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:48:33pm

re: #108 Brian J.

Stochastic terrorism leading to the near-murder of a congressman is pretty subversive of the democratic republic, too. Donald Sanders and Bernie Trump have been playing this game for two years, and now it’s coming to a head.

“Stochastic terrorism” (agitprop) - I don’t think that phrase means what you think it means. We need a revolution in cancer science doesn’t mean going in and shooting up a laboratory.

Agitprop is what FOX News does. Dr. Tiller the baby killer for example. Sarah Palin’s surveyor’s marks cross hairs on Democratic districts. Second-amendment solutions.

There are a lot of things I don’t care for about Bernie Sanders (and I voted for him in my caucus), but calling for legal protests is not “stochastic terrorism.”

We went over this. Was the Women’s March organiser a stochastic terrorist? The Science March organiser? The Reason March in 2012? Anti-war protests during the Vietnam War?

Protest is legal. Sanders did not call or imply for anyone’s death or injury. Attack (ohh am I a stochastic terrorist for using the word “attack”) Sen. Sanders on what he’s said or done - there is plenty there without making up baseless lies about him. That’s positively Republican.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:48:34pm

re: #119 jaunte

Is it question time again?

Why not?

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:50:19pm

re: #121 Decatur Deb

Why not?

Who asked you?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:51:00pm

re: #112 EPR-radar

Stop with this false equivalency bullshit. You have still not shown anything by Sanders that approaches the “Tiller the baby killer” gold standard for stochastic terrorism. It would be a start if you could find something by Sanders that gets to tr*mp levels of rabble rousing.

Thanks. You’re less wordy than I am.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:51:00pm

re: #108 Brian J.

Stochastic terrorism leading to the near-murder of a congressman is pretty subversive of the democratic republic, too. Donald Sanders and Bernie Trump have been playing this game for two years, and now it’s coming to a head.

(Insert Krysten Ritter eyerolling GIF here.)

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:51:05pm

re: #122 teleskiguy

Who asked you?

Isn’t he on first?

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Cheechako  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:51:16pm

re: #94 Blind Frog Belly White

I’d say pardoning Nixon made sense ONLY because he resigned rather than put the nation through the whole Impeachment process. I DEFINITELY didn’t see it that way at the time, but since Nixon took the high road by resigning, I’m willing to cut Ford slack for pardoning him.

BTW, people insist it was ‘the deal’, that Nixon resigned in exchange for the pardon, which may well be true, but the thing is, it’s unenforceable. What’s Ex-President Nixon gonna do if Ford changes his mind - unresign?

And the pardon was a large part of Ford’s losing the election.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:51:59pm

re: #125 Decatur Deb

Isn’t he on first?

Watt’s on second

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:52:12pm

re: #104 Brian J.

If normal government is ever restored, Obama will pose quite a thorny subject for prosecutors and then historians, with regard to his successor’s alliance with Russians and other sleazes of all nations. Did he LIHOP (let it happen on purpose) or was he just really naive? Could he have anticipated large segments of the FBI and KGB working together in harmony to overthrow the government? But he’d been receiving information about their intentions and activities for over a year, so how could he not know?

This is exactly 85 words of pure crap.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:52:37pm

re: #127 wheat-dogg

Hwaet?

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:52:37pm

re: #125 Decatur Deb

Isn’t he on first?

Does it matter?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:52:52pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

This is exactly 85 words of pure crap.

About eighty-six too many. /s

You counted them?

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EPR-radar  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:53:00pm

re: #116 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Does anyone else get tired of all the dead horses laying around that people just can’t seem to stop beating?

Announcer: “Today’s Dead Horse Derby has two entrants. In stall #1 we have RWNJ Talking Points, whose race strategy was Just Asking Questions. In stall #2 we have the foal of Both-Siderism and Anti-Sanders Mania, whose race strategy is confused talking points about stochastic terrorism. Sadly today’s race is over because dead horse #1 reverted to its prior condition part way through the race.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:53:04pm

re: #126 Cheechako

And the pardon was a large part of Ford’s losing the election.

Maybe, but to me it seems more likely that the exposure of widespread criminality in the Republican Administration may just have had more to do with it than whether or not Nixon was pardoned.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:53:57pm

re: #130 teleskiguy

Does it matter?

And to whom?

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LastYearsMan  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:54:26pm

re: #55 sagehen

That’s just silly. Tony Soprano was smart, knew how to cover his tracks, and self-aware enough to realize when he needed psychological counseling.

Season 6 Tony was immune to change or analysis, always regressing to his earlier state after brief moments of seeming insight. Season 1 Tony was more of a hero ( or anti-hero). But in the last season, Chase really tore Tony down and showed his true thuggish, corrupt nature. Imho.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:54:52pm

re: #134 Blind Frog Belly White

And to whom?

For what reason?

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:55:01pm

re: #134 Blind Frog Belly White

And to whom?

And for what purpose?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:55:53pm

re: #137 teleskiguy

And for what purpose?

Where shall we eat?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:56:17pm

re: #138 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Where shall we eat?

Are babies on the menu? /s

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:56:31pm

re: #138 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Where shall we eat?

Don’t talk about food, I’m starving because my body hates me and there’s no dinner for at least another hour and a half.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:56:56pm

re: #136 Anymouse

For what reason?

Who said “This, above all, is the greatest treason, to do the right thing for the wrong reason.”?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:57:12pm

Does anybody really know what time it is?

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Interesting Times  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:57:49pm

What is the sound of one hand clapping?

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:57:57pm

re: #140 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Don’t talk about food, I’m starving because my body hates me and there’s no dinner for at least another hour and a half.

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Skip Intro  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:58:01pm

Mrs. Agnew’s Diary excerpt (from 1972)

…Spiggy suffered sort of a disappointment, because he worked very hard on a speech he was going to give at the convention, welcoming that Senator Eagleton to the campaign as his opponent, and it’s just like Spiggy to do something generous and thoughtful like that… Spiggy had the campaign people print up a whole lot of these really nice-looking bumper stickers with a lightning bolt on a blue background that said VOLT FOR EAGLETON, though I think they were accidentally misspelled, and he was going to send them around to everybody, which I think was being a little too nice, since nobody wants that awful McCarthy to be President, and then Eagleton resigned, which seems silly, I mean, if Dick has been seeing a psychiatrist, and even though he doesn’t talk about it much, I know Spiggy is still sensitive about that partial lobotomy he had just after the Korean War when he kept running around yelling, “My spaghetti is unbuttoned, my spaghetti is unbuttoned”… It really was a very nice speech, and it said how he was honored to be running against someone who was such a dynamo with such an electrifying personality and had generated so much enthusiasm, and even if he had sparked a controversy, he certainly was well-grounded in government and seemed to be a real live wire and to be really charged up for the campaign, and he was sure he’d bring his direct approach to bear on current affairs, and hoped he’d be able to insulate his home life from the glare of publicity, and so on. It really was awfully nice.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:58:04pm

re: #141 Decatur Deb

Who said “This, above all, is the greatest treason, to do the right thing for the wrong reason.”?

Didn’t you? Just now?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:58:05pm

re: #142 Blind Frog Belly White

Does anybody really know what time it is?

Guess what day it is?

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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:58:44pm

re: #138 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Where shall we eat?

I feel like I’m reading Waiting for Godot now.

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:59:05pm

re: #142 Blind Frog Belly White

Does anybody really know what time it is?

Yeah, Flavor Flav!

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:59:12pm

re: #108 Brian J.

Stochastic terrorism leading to the near-murder of a congressman is pretty subversive of the democratic republic, too. Donald Sanders and Bernie Trump have been playing this game for two years, and now it’s coming to a head.

Sanders never called for violence. As #74 notes, the problem is that someone interpreted his usage of revolutionary terms in a more violent way, which even to me - not a Sanders supporter - was not his intent.

Stocastic terrorism is of the “Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?” variety, not “Why is this priest so concerned with what I do?”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:59:14pm

re: #141 Decatur Deb

Who said “This, above all, is the greatest treason, to do the right thing for the wrong reason.”?

I’ve heard the phrase, I don’t know who said it.

Wait this is the XXI Century … (engage search engine) … TS Elliot.

I now have moar edumakashun. Thank you.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 5:59:24pm

re: #148 wheat-dogg

I feel like I’m reading Waiting for Godot now.

He told us to wait!

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:00:09pm

re: #131 Anymouse

About eighty-six too many. /s

You counted them?

I generally let something like LibreOffice do it for me.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:00:27pm

re: #148 wheat-dogg

Was I sleeping, while the others suffered? Am I sleeping now? Tomorrow, when I wake, or think I do, what shall I say of today?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:00:32pm

re: #149 teleskiguy

Yeah, Flavor Flav!

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“The man with one watch always knows what time it is. The man with two watches is never sure.”

And I am the man with over 200 watches…..

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:01:26pm

re: #151 Anymouse

I’ve heard the phrase, I don’t know who said it.

Wait this is the XXI Century … (engage search engine) … TS Elliot.

I now have moar edumakashun. Thank you.

In yet another play about a political murder.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:01:48pm

re: #155 Blind Frog Belly White

“The man with one watch always knows what time it is. The man with two watches is never sure.”

And I am the man with over 200 watches…..

Lucky me. I have a Nixie clock made out of a Thirties ammeter. Kind of tough to wear as a watch though, and it would need a really long extension cord.

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:02:54pm

re: #100 Anymouse

Our village hall, library, and general store all have fax machines (not the rotary cylinder kind though). We still use our mimeograph machine for handouts (and the office typewriter).

The general store still has a coin-op pay phone, and the phones in town are dial.

Come for the small town, stay for the Fifties.

Is the beef grass-fed and the poultry free-range?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:03:01pm

re: #144 teleskiguy

That’s just mean. I had to go and deploy emergency measures.

(Cucumbers and salt. Mmm.)

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:03:01pm

re: #157 Anymouse

Lucky me. I have a Nixie clock made out of a Thirties ammeter. Kind of tough to wear as a watch though, and it would need a really long extension cord.

You live in a small town. I’m sure you could get everywhere you wanted to go with a cord.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:03:50pm

re: #158 sagehen

Is the beef grass-fed and the poultry free-range?

And the children all above average?

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:04:08pm

re: #155 Blind Frog Belly White

“The man with one watch always knows what time it is. The man with two watches is never sure.”

And I am the man with over 200 watches…..

As long as it’s an uneven number, you’re golden. One of the earliest fly-by-wire computer dependent aircraft, the X-29, used 5 redundant computers. If one croaked, it would shut down another in order to maintain an odd “jury”.

darpa.mil

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:04:26pm

He became presidential today!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:05:15pm

re: #158 sagehen

Is the beef grass-fed and the poultry free-range?

I had to run a flock of chickens away from the wellhouse when we were out doing inspections… .

The beef is grass-fed (until they send the cattle to a feed lot anyway).

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:07:41pm

re: #142 Blind Frog Belly White

Does anybody really know what time it is?

Does anybody really care?

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:08:18pm

re: #163 Anymouse

He’s being praised in the same way we praise a toddler for not putting his foot in his mouth.

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EPR-radar  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:08:38pm

re: #104 Brian J.

If normal government is ever restored, Obama will pose quite a thorny subject for prosecutors and then historians, with regard to his successor’s alliance with Russians and other sleazes of all nations. Did he LIHOP (let it happen on purpose) or was he just really naive? Could he have anticipated large segments of the FBI and KGB working together in harmony to overthrow the government? But he’d been receiving information about their intentions and activities for over a year, so how could he not know?

This is a really irritating pile of retromingent hot garbage. No matter what the Russians and GOP leadership did in 2016, it remains true that millions of voters voted for the turd-fucking vulgar yam, and that basically these same millions of voters are responsible for massive Republican strength at the state level.

No information release by the Obama administration prior to the election would have had any real effect — Republicans would vote for Hitler (R) and independents aren’t much better.

Any attempt to nullify the election would have been an unmitigated disaster. Republicans would have used any such attempt to immediately implement a GOP dictatorship.

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:10:08pm
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EPR-radar  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:11:41pm

re: #166 Belafon

He’s being praised in the same way we praise a toddler for not putting his foot in his mouth.

(slow) progress in potty training is also a good analogy for tr*mp’s presidential* performance.

“Golly gee mr. tr*mp, some of the ca-ca is in the bowl this time, so that’s a lot better than yesterday where it was all on the walls, floor and ceiling.”

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:13:24pm

OffT, but touching on a subject during the past 24 h…
6 minutes for the Grenfell Towers to become a big torch.
6 damn minutes.
And more and more fingers are pointing at the cladding on the building.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:14:17pm

re: #170 Teukka

OffT, but touching on a subject during the past 24 h…
6 minutes for the Grenfell Towers to become a big torch.
6 damn minutes.
And more and more fingers are pointing at the cladding on the building.

How many like that one are out there?

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whitebeach  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:14:44pm

re: #81 Anymouse

I question pardoning Nixon. Party before country, even then.

That great SNL skit from the era, Ford and Nixon chatting in the Oval Office as things collapse:

Ford: (mumbles something)

Nixon: Pardon me?

Ford: Sure.

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:15:03pm

re: #171 Decatur Deb

How many like that one are out there?

You mean how many that were built safe, but have had flammable cladding put there to increase the value of surrounding properties?
No idea.
*shudders*

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TedStriker  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:16:44pm

re: #104 Brian J.

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BeachDem  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:20:25pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

Springsteen Born in the USA disease.

Playing “Revolution” at the Our Revolution events.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:21:15pm

re: #172 whitebeach

That great SNL skit from the era, Ford and Nixon chatting in the Oval Office as things collapse:

Ford: (mumbles something)

Nixon: Pardon me?

Ford: Sure.

Or

Nixon’s memories:

Henry Kissinger: [ enters ] Mr. President, Mr. President.. I just spoke mit your lovely daughter und charming son-in-law, und zey expressed a deep concern for your vell-being, which I, of course, share, und zey suggested zat I come down und cheer you up.

President Richard Nixon: You know I’m not a crook, Henry. You know that I’m innocent.

Henry Kissinger: [ long pause.. coughs ]

President Richard Nixon: I am! I’m telling you, Henry: I had nothing to do with the bugging of Watergate! I had nothing to do with the cover-up! with the break-in to Daniel Ellsberg’s psychiatrist’s office! Or with the man who was killed in Florida!

Henry Kissinger: Vhat man was killed in Florida, Mr. President?

President Richard Nixon: You don’t know about the little Cuban who.. ah.. never mind. [ gets on his knees ] Henry, get down on your knees and pray with me.

Henry Kissinger: Mr. President, you’ve got a big day tomorrow, why don’t ve get in our pajamas und go sleepy?

President Richard Nixon: Don’t you want to pray, you Christ-killer?

Henry Kissinger: I don’t vant to get into zat again, Mr. President. Excuse me, I’ve got to go warn the Strategic Air Command to ignore all presidential orders.

President Richard Nixon: Alright, thanks, Henry. [ Kissinger exits the room ] Jewboy! Jewboy! Jewboy!

[ flashback to Pat at her diary ]

Pat Nixon: “Dick wasn’t anti-Semitic.. he hated all minorities. I remember once an aide referred to the Vietnamese as Gooks and Chinks. Dick said that that was wrong. He said a Chink is someone who’s from China, and is Gook is anyone of the Oriental persuasion. A Chink is always a Gook, but a Gook isn’t always a Chink.. it was that way on that same night in Auguest..”

[ flashback to President Richard Nixon talking to a portrait of FDR ]

President Richard Nixon: And you! Franklin Delano Roosenfelt. you were a Jew, too, weren’t you? Jewboy! Jewboy! [ turns to portrait of Lincoln ] What is happening to me, Abe? Everything’s falling apart, Why me, Abe? Why me?!

[ the lips on Lincoln’s portrait move ]

Voice of Lincoln: Because you’re such a dip!

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Bubblehead II  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:21:37pm

re: #116 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Does anyone else get tired of all the dead horses laying around that people just can’t seem to stop beating?

Yep. Bernie this, Bernie that. He’s dead Jim, what do you think I am? A (insert appropriate gag here) ?

And with this missive, I wish you all a good night. Until tomorrow Lizards.

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:22:04pm

re: #175 BeachDem

Playing “Revolution” at the Our Revolution events.

Chumbawamba’s “Tubthumping” as a great anti-drinking ditty.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:24:05pm

re: #166 Belafon

He’s being praised in the same way we praise a toddler for not putting his foot in his mouth.

We’ve finally lowered the bar enough for him to get over it without doing a faceplant.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:24:42pm

re: #179 Blind Frog Belly White

We’ve finally lowered the bar enough for him to get over it without doing a faceplant.

I reserve judgment on that. I’m pretty sure the Tweetstorm is coming.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:25:14pm

re: #170 Teukka

OffT, but touching on a subject during the past 24 h…
6 minutes for the Grenfell Towers to become a big torch.
6 damn minutes.
And more and more fingers are pointing at the cladding on the building.

What was the cladding made of? Explodium?

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:25:42pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:25:47pm

re: #180 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I reserve judgment on that. I’m pretty sure the Tweetstorm is coming.

Baby steps.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:27:05pm

re: #182 lawhawk

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I don’t pray, but if I did, I’d pray for him. It’s goddam crying shame for it to happen to anyone.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:29:15pm

Rachel is doing an update on Scalise’s injuries. He’s in bad shape and that is why he is listed as critical. He got shot in the hip and traveled across his pelvis and doing damage to internal organs. I hope he pulls through.

Also, the young lobbyist that was shot had multiple shots to the chest. I hope he pulls through too.

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Schweppes7  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:32:30pm
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VegasGolfer  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:34:46pm

So I’ve been watching hayes and maddow and hearing of these republican law makers going through a warlike scene with their friends on the ground bleeding and nothing they can do about it. and them speaking in tears about the ordeal, and I’m thinking is this the horrible event that will finally get this country to do some thing about guns and gun violence? We’re talking about republicans, so I think there is ZERO chance of that.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:36:56pm

I’m hoping for a recovery too. I may hate what these guys stand for but I’m not going to become what I hate in others.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:37:37pm

Days like this, I really hate people. Or maybe not so much people, as what SOME people do. We humans can be so inhuman to each other. And I’m not talking about insulting those who worked hard to earn the insult. I mean people who intentionally inflict pain and suffering on others.

I don’t know whether this tendency is unique to humans, but wow, have we managed at times to make it amazingly, ruthlessly efficient. What other animal can kill multiple members of its own species from hundreds of feet, even thousands of miles away? Only us. All the other animals have to do it retail, but we’ve figured out numerous ways of doing it wholesale.

Yay, us.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:38:20pm

I feel bad for whatever family the shooter has too because they’re not to blame for him and will experience harassment I’m sure.

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EPR-radar  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:38:22pm

re: #187 VegasGolfer

So I’ve been watching hayes and maddow and hearing of these republican law makers going through a warlike scene with their friends on the ground bleeding and nothing they can do about it. and them speaking in tears about the ordeal, and I’m thinking is this the horrible event that will finally get this country to do some thing about guns and gun violence? We’re talking about republicans, so I think there is ZERO chance of that.

Zero chance for just this incident. If we get to a point where 5-10 Republican elected officials get shot every year, that might be enough to make some progress.

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BigPapa  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:38:48pm

As much as I absolutely detest Scalise and everything he stands for I hope he fully recovers from his injuries.

I have to wonder if there will be a moment of clarity, that overheated rhetoric fetishizing violence is bad. Conservatives are forgetting the 30yrs of Limbaugh, 20 of Fox, and 10 of Breitbart. I still listen to AM radio if only to keep my finger on the pulse: the hate continues.

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:39:12pm

I wish for a complete recovery for Steve Scalise. I wouldn’t wish his injuries on my worst enemies.

Steve Scalise is a white supremacist.

Alouette said earlier, like George Wallace after he was shot maybe Steve Scalise will have a ‘come to Jesus’ moment and he’ll stop being such a horrible human being going forward.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:39:39pm

re: #192 BigPapa

As much as I absolutely detest Scalise and everything he stands for I hope he fully recovers from his injuries.

I have to wonder if there will be a moment of clarity, that overheated rhetoric fetishizing violence is bad. Conservatives are forgetting the 30yrs of Limbaugh, 20 of Fox, and 10 of Breitbart. I still listen to AM radio if only to keep my finger on the pulse: the hate continues.

I had hoped for that after Giffords who btw had a really thoughtful statement.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:41:18pm

re: #187 VegasGolfer

So I’ve been watching hayes and maddow and hearing of these republican law makers going through a warlike scene with their friends on the ground bleeding and nothing they can do about it. and them speaking in tears about the ordeal, and I’m thinking is this the horrible event that will finally get this country to do some thing about guns and gun violence? We’re talking about republicans, so I think there is ZERO chance of that.

There has already been talk of this incident providing reason to allow Members of Congress to carry guns in DC.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:43:03pm

More local government fun-times they don’t pay us for (I’m still doing imperialism wrong):

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TedStriker  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:43:10pm

re: #124 Blind Frog Belly White

(Insert Krysten Ritter eyerolling GIF here.)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:43:22pm

re: #193 teleskiguy

I wish for a complete recovery for Steve Scalise. I wouldn’t wish his injuries on my worst enemies.

Steve Scalise is a white supremacist.

Like Alouette said, like George Wallace after he was shot, maybe Steve Scalise will have a ‘come to Jesus’ moment and he’ll stop being such a horrible human being going forward.

When Wallace was shot, one of his first well wishers was African-American Congresswoman Shirley Chisholm, if she can do that for Wallace, I can wish Scalise well. I mean this sincerely. Let’s really work to reduce gun violence. We owe it our country.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:43:44pm

re: #195 Blind Frog Belly White

There has already been talk of this incident providing reason to allow Members of Congress to carry guns in DC.

Which would have stopped zero of these bullets.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:44:00pm

re: #195 Blind Frog Belly White

There has already been talk of this incident providing reason to allow Members of Congress to carry guns in DC.

A gun isn’t going to protect you while you’re playing baseball ffs.

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caseyjr  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:44:10pm

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

He told us to wait!

I played Pozzo’s steamer trunk in our 6th grade production of Godot. True story.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:45:07pm

re: #131 Anymouse

About eighty-six too many. /s

You counted them?

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:45:17pm

re: #181 Blind Frog Belly White

What was the cladding made of? Explodium?

Insulation and aluminium.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:46:25pm
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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:46:54pm

Nobody deserves to be targeted that way.

It’s always the same thing: assholes who’ve merged their “beliefs” and their vanity, such that the only thing that matters is hurting the people that make them feel bad.

That’s why domestic violence is such a frequent precursor to mass shootings: it’s the intimate version of the same “I get to hurt you because you disappoint me and my vision of who you should be.”

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:47:00pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

When Wallace was shot, one of his first well wishers was African-American Congresswoman Shirley Chisholm, if she can do that for Wallace, I can wish Scalise well. I mean this sincerely. Let’s really work to reduce gun violence. We owe it our country.

Along this line…the two wounded Capitol police that engaged the shooter right off are both African Americans. One a young woman. The third member of the team that wasn’t hurt sounded as if his name might be Hispanic/Latino. Something for everyone to consider.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:47:30pm

re: #190 HappyWarrior

I feel bad for whatever family the shooter has too because they’re not to blame for him and will experience harassment I’m sure.

Starting with the press camping out on their driveway, then righteously angry people who will direct their anger (and maybe threats) toward them when they had nothing to do with it.

My thoughts go out to those who were shot, who had to witness that, and the shooter’s family (they likely had nothing to do with it).

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:48:04pm

re: #205 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Nobody deserves to be targeted that way.

It’s always the same thing: assholes who’ve merged their “beliefs” and their vanity, such that the only thing that matters is hurting the people that make you feel bad.

That’s why domestic violence is such a frequent precursor to mass shootings: it’s the intimate version of the same “I get to hurt you because you disappoint me and my vision of who you should be.”

I’m sure you’ll be absolutely shocked to hear that this guy had a history of domestic violence, per several tweets i saw today. (I don’t have them handy to source.)

//

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:48:39pm

re: #206 ObserverArt

Along this line…the two Capitol police that engaged the shooter right off are both African Americans. One a young woman. The third member of the team that wasn’t hurt sounded as if his name might be Hispanic/Latino. Something for everyone to consider.

They and the Alexandria PD handled this well. I’m glad no one was killed.

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EPR-radar  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:48:52pm

re: #195 Blind Frog Belly White

There has already been talk of this incident providing reason to allow Members of Congress to carry guns in DC.

This seems like exactly the wrong thing to do. So it seems likely to happen.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:49:02pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

When Wallace was shot, one of his first well wishers was African-American Congresswoman Shirley Chisholm, if she can do that for Wallace, I can wish Scalise well. I mean this sincerely. Let’s really work to reduce gun violence. We owe it our country.

I think it can be hard for some people to understand just how bright the line is between hating everything someone stands for, even hating them for what they have done and will do on the one hand, and wishing them harm on the other.

I don’t want any Republicans to suffer anything beyond ignominious political defeat. I don’t really grasp the violence some folks bring to their political wrangling. I mean, here we are, the Democrats, shut out of power in the House, the Senate, and the White House, and barring illegal repressive actions on their part, I don’t entertain thoughts of violent reprisal.

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whitebeach  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:50:00pm

I despise Scalise for his politics, but this should never happen, and I hope with all my heart he and the other wounded have fast and full recoveries.

Let me add that it’s bad enough that some self-anointed avenger attacks elected representatives, but to shoot people playing baseball disqualifies you from any possible defense in my American opinion.

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:50:08pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:50:15pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

littlegreenfootballs.com

Is there anything this Website won’t do Mr. Johnson? Can it wash my dishes and mow my lawn? /s

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EPR-radar  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:51:17pm

re: #208 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m sure you’ll be absolutely shocked to hear that this guy had a history of domestic violence, per several tweets i saw today. (I don’t have them handy to source.)

//

And just about every Republican in the country is firmly committed to the idea that domestic abusers should be able to heavily arm themselves because of the Sacred Second Amendment they are owned, body and soul, by the NRA.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:51:57pm

re: #204 FormerDirtDart

Jim Acosta ✔
@Acosta

WH official on hospital visit: “President Trump did not meet with Scalise and did not go into the room where Scalise is being treated.”

I’m not necessarily going to drag Mr. Trump over that; considering Rep. Scalise’s condition, he may not have been allowed in.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:52:47pm
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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:53:09pm

re: #206 ObserverArt

Along this line…the two Capitol police that engaged the shooter right off are both African Americans. One a young woman. The third member of the team that wasn’t hurt sounded as if his name might be Hispanic/Latino. Something for everyone to consider.

For some reason, this reminds me of:

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:53:48pm

re: #195 Blind Frog Belly White

There has already been talk of this incident providing reason to allow Members of Congress to carry guns in DC.

Even though, as always, the “good guy with a gun” who saved the day was *NOT* some random bystander who happened to be armed. It was, AS ALWAYS, trained professionals who that’s what they were there for.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:54:11pm

The problem Republicans are going to have is if they pass this no-healthcare bill and people get sick and die… This is going to leave a lot of desperate people out there. And desperate people do desperate things (like voting for Trump). Some guy who watches his wife or mom or son or daughter die because they had, but lost, healthcare, I don’t for a minute think incidents like this morning aren’t going to happen again. Against elected officials.

Of all the shitty things Republicans have done, most don’t directly affect the majority of Americans. I mean they are affected but peripherally or indirectly. But losing healthcare? That’s about as direct as can happen. And when loved ones start dying. All bets are off.

I think you might say the same if they cut Medicare or Social Security. This is direct impact to mom or dad or Grandma and Grandpa. This is the kind of thing unstable people will find those “2nd A remedies’ that Republicans have been espousing for years appealing.

I think they are playing with fire when they want to do stuff that directly affects Joe Sixpack who’s stockpiled AK’s with enough ammo to take out a small country.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:54:32pm

re: #208 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’ve started watching how often I see cultural images and rhetoric that portray male anger as a kind of validity.

I’m up to, “fucking ubiquitous.”

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:54:42pm

re: #217 FormerDirtDart

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Trump and Co can’t seem to grasp that both collusion and obstruction can be true.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:55:12pm

Regarding the Russia sanctions vote today:

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BigPapa  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:55:27pm

re: #214 Anymouse

Is there anything this Website won’t do Mr. Johnson? Can it wash my dishes and mow my lawn? /s

As soon as LGF can pour me a medium body pinot or a craft brew, I’m done. TAKE MY MONEY.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:55:57pm

re: #211 Blind Frog Belly White

I think it can be hard for some people to understand just how bright the line is between hating everything someone stands for, even hating them for what they have done and will do on the one hand, and wishing them harm on the other.

I don’t want any Republicans to suffer anything beyond ignominious political defeat. I don’t really grasp the violence some folks bring to their political wrangling. I mean, here we are, the Democrats, shut out of power in the House, the Senate, and the White House, and barring illegal repressive actions on their part, I don’t entertain thoughts of violent reprisal.

Exactly. And I guess this is why I got frustrated with Ziggy on here. I didn’t want him becoming what he hated in others. I’m not saying all or most Republicans think like that by the way but rather the support of reprisals against your political enemies is something I find awful and directly in conflict with my beliefs. I may dislike these guys. I may even hate them and curse them but this wasn’t right.

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:56:46pm

re: #223 Anymouse

Has the House voted on it? And by the old gods, I would love to see Trump’s reaction when his veto is overridden.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:57:43pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:58:58pm

re: #224 BigPapa

As soon as LGF can pour me a medium body pinot or a craft brew, I’m done. TAKE MY MONEY.

Mr. Johnson already got mine, but I’ll send along more for that.

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:59:13pm

re: #227 jaunte

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Maybe that could be something, getting Scalise to find out how much his care would cost without any insurance?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:59:57pm

re: #226 KGxvi

Has the House voted on it? And by the old gods, I would love to see Trump’s reaction when his veto is overridden.

Not to my knowledge. I don’t know how the House will react to the bill (they could refuse to take it up and spare Mr. Trump).

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EPR-radar  Jun 14, 2017 • 6:59:57pm

re: #229 Teukka

Maybe that could be something, getting Scalise to find out how much his care would cost without any insurance?

Republicans mostly know stuff like this. They just don’t care.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:00:10pm

So Trump’s lawyer is squawking the FBI leaked the investigation info that came out today. That’s it boys, go after everyone in an obstruction investigation. It really doesn’t make you look much more guilty or anything like that.

I think Obama had a nice phrase for this: Please proceed President Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:00:18pm

re: #229 Teukka

Maybe that could be something, getting Scalise to find out how much his care would cost without any insurance?

You never know. Sometimes having something hit close to home can really give people a change of heart. I’d hate for this to be why he did but if he did, I’d applaud it even if I can’t stand him for being a Duke fan.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:01:08pm

re: #231 EPR-radar

Republicans mostly know stuff like this. They just don’t care.

They know but it never really comes close to home. Certainly Senator Portman knew about other parents of LGBT children before his son came out.

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:01:37pm

re: #231 EPR-radar

Republicans mostly know stuff like this. They just don’t care.

Yeah, but still worth a shot IMO. (Pun not intended)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:02:20pm

re: #233 HappyWarrior

You never know. Sometimes having something hit close to home can really give people a change of heart. I’d hate for this to be why he did but if he did, I’d applaud it even if I can’t stand him for being a Duke fan.

Kind of like when Dick Cheney’s daughter Mary came out as a lesbian. (On the other hand, Liz Cheney through her under a bus publicly on Facebook.)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:02:53pm

Just saw a really stupid meme though. Photo of EMTs, “You wouldn’t tip them” so “Why should you tip them” Photo of wait staff.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:03:52pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

Just saw a really stupid meme though. Photo of EMTs, “You wouldn’t tip them” so “Why should you tip them” Photo of wait staff.

Something something EMT’s make a hell of a lot more money than tipped minimum wage.

I know: Let’s pay waitstaff at least as well as EMTs.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:05:23pm

re: #236 Anymouse

Kind of like when Dick Cheney’s daughter Mary came out as a lesbian. (On the other hand, Liz Cheney through her under a bus publicly on Facebook.

There’s a lot of examples like this in politics and outside of it. My grandparents had neighbors who were very anti big government blah blah but they made an exception on an issue that hit close to home for them. See, I just wish conservatives would see that for every issue. Everyone has a LGBT child, everyone a disabled one, etc. It’s obvious that conservatives love their children too.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:06:48pm

re: #238 Anymouse

Something something EMT’s make a hell of a lot more money than tipped minimum wage.

I know: Let’s pay waitstaff at least as well as EMTs.

It’s like the stupid meme with the soldier insisting that he never complained about his wage juxtaposed with the minimum wage worker. Yeah how about we pay both a decent wage so they can help out their families. You kwo frustrating thing about this one is the guy who posted this is a genuinely nice guy but he just doesn’t get it, ya know. I have a special place for waitstaff. My parents met waiting tables.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:07:25pm
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Amory Blaine  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:07:28pm

The American federal government requires a wage of at least $2.13 per hour be paid to employees that receive at least $30 per month in tips.[4] If wages and tips do not equal the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour during any week, the employer is required to increase cash wages to compensate.[5] As of May 2012, the average hourly wage - including tips - for a restaurant employee in the United States that received tip income was $11.82.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:08:57pm

Opponents of the current minimum wage for tipped employees point out that the tipped minimum wage has remained stagnant since 1991 despite increases in the cost of living and in the standard minimum wage over that same time.[17] The minimum wage for tipped employees represented 50% of the standard minimum wage in 1968. By 2010, it was 29% of the non-tipped minimum wage.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:09:42pm

re: #240 HappyWarrior

It’s like the stupid meme with the soldier insisting that he never complained about his wage juxtaposed with the minimum wage worker. Yeah how about we pay both a decent wage so they can help out their families. You kwo frustrating thing about this one is the guy who posted this is a genuinely nice guy but he just doesn’t get it, ya know. I have a special place for waitstaff. My parents met waiting tables.

Funny, I distinctly remember seamen complaining about needing food stamps.

Your parents met waiting tables? Love, Alice’s Restaurant style. /s

My wife found me by accident helping a specialised dating site look for potential Romance scammers. Due to an error in my profile on the site, it was flagged up to her to investigate.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:10:38pm

Morning here, and I am catching up on news from the other side of the world.

I just learned from the BBC that the Grenfell Tower did not have a fire sprinkler system, because they are not required in the UK.

WTF?

What git proposed that regulation? Sure, sprinkler systems are expensive to install, but they save lives.

Heck, even our new classroom building here in China has sprinklers in the ceilings.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:12:01pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

Exactly. And I guess this is why I got frustrated with Ziggy on here. I didn’t want him becoming what he hated in others. I’m not saying all or most Republicans think like that by the way but rather the support of reprisals against your political enemies is something I find awful and directly in conflict with my beliefs. I may dislike these guys. I may even hate them and curse them but this wasn’t right.

I despise that this jerk did this today. I also have a hard time finding a lot of sympathy because we see every single day levels of vitriol against us (women, Jews, blacks, gays, Muslims, libtards, dimocrats, inhuman vermin), by “conservatives” including by this presidents children!, no less, that I have never seen going the other way. These people literally talk about killing us every single day. You all see it on Twitter all the time.

What I do hope and pray is that they (they bring Fox and elected Republicans and other right wing outlets) will see what they have sown and stop it. Stop dehumanizing people you don’t agree with (me!) and start to understand what the words you (being they) are saying matter. People listen. And sure like this happens. Politics shouldn’t be this ugly. We used to be a relatively civil society. We are losing that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:12:09pm

re: #245 wheat-dogg

Morning here, and I am catching up on news from the other side of the world.

I just learned from the BBC that the Grenfell Tower did not have a fire sprinkler system, because they are not required in the UK.

WTF?

What git proposed that regulation? Sure, sprinkler systems are expensive to install, but they save lives.

Heck, even our new classroom building here in China has sprinklers in the ceilings.

Well, my understanding (though I may be wrong) is that the Home Office covers such things. At the time the building was renovated, Theresa May was Home Secretary.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:12:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:13:39pm

re: #246 MsJ

I despise that this jerk did this today. I also have a hard time finding a lot of sympathy because we see every single day levels of vitriol against us (women, Jews, blacks, gays, Muslims, libtards, dimocrats, inhuman vermin), by “conservatives” including by this presidents children!, no less, that I have never seen going the other way. These people literally talk about killing us every single day. You all see it on Twitter all the time.

What I do hope and pray is that they (they bring Fox and elected Republicans and other right wing outlets) will see what they have sown and stop it. Stop dehumanizing people you don’t agree with (me!) and start to understand what the words you (being they) are saying matter. People listen. And sure like this happens. Politics shouldn’t be this ugly. We used to be a relatively civil society. We are losing that.

Home run.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:14:38pm

re: #246 MsJ

I called out Eric Trump’s rant against Democrats in a letter to the editor of my regional newspaper. They already printed their quota of liberal letters this month (one), so it hasn’t appeared in the paper.

They went since last Saturday printing no letters, so it wasn’t for lack of space. My letter was respectful and short, so it wasn’t that. The newspaper didn’t cover Eric Trump’s odious statement.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:15:19pm

re: #245 wheat-dogg

Morning here, and I am catching up on news from the other side of the world.

I just learned from the BBC that the Grenfell Tower did not have a fire sprinkler system, because they are not required in the UK.

WTF?

What git proposed that regulation? Sure, sprinkler systems are expensive to install, but they save lives.

Heck, even our new classroom building here in China has sprinklers in the ceilings.

They didn’t even have functional smoke alarms.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:15:24pm

re: #244 Anymouse

Funny, I distinctly remember seamen complaining about needing food stamps.

Your parents met waiting tables? Love, Alice’s Restaurant style. /s

My wife found me by accident helping a specialised dating site look for potential Romance scammers. Due to an error in my profile on the site, it was flagged up to her to investigate.

Yeah, but you know the people who post those memes have never acutally been in the military. They think everyone in the military is a stoic stereotype. But yeah my folks met waiting tables. Teh really funny thing honestly is my Dad actually did construction work with my Grandpa long before they met. He was one of the foremen. Probably didn’t think much of the long haireds heh but who knows, Grandpa always had surprises.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:17:27pm

re: #248 FormerDirtDart

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Hannity, always pathetic and always eager to exploit a tragedy. Why the hell should Mueller and Rothenstein resign? Go fuck yourself Lumpy. WHat happened today won’t change the reality about Trump.

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whitebeach  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:18:49pm

re: #233 HappyWarrior

You never know. Sometimes having something hit close to home can really give people a change of heart. I’d hate for this to be why he did but if he did, I’d applaud it even if I can’t stand him for being a Duke fan.

Since we were talking about Watergate earlier, does anybody else remember when Chuck Colson, the big White House aide and conservative, got sent to spend some time in the big house up the river for his role in all that, and came out a huge advocate for prison reform?

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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:18:57pm

re: #247 Anymouse

Well, my understanding (though I may be wrong) is that the Home Office covers such things. At the time the building was renovated, Theresa May was Home Secretary.

Well, there’s one git already.

Sprinklers are generally installed at time of construction. Retrofitting them would be a nightmare, logistically and financially speaking. At issue now is the concept of “passive fire safety,” which is the UK standard applied to the tower block. I have only a vague notion what that means, but I know in this instance it failed miserably. One of the survivors told the BBC there was luggage in the sole stairwell and the emergency lighting was not working in some places. That suggests the design of the building was not the only problem, but lax property management and/or fire inspections.

The fire is still burning on some floors.

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:19:28pm

Between the GOP destroying healthcare, voting rights, the enviroment, and the American way of life, I’m not goint to let that shit David Duke lite Scalise distract from real issues.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:19:57pm

re: #238 Anymouse

Something something EMT’s make a hell of a lot more money than tipped minimum wage.

I know: Let’s pay waitstaff at least as well as EMTs.

Most EMTs don’t make much more than minimum wage. $10/hr around here in Texas.

The difference is that EMT’s wages aren’t allowed to be cut to have to be made up by tips, where the law allows restaurants to do that.

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KingKenrod  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:20:27pm

The GOP is on the edge of a catastrophe, I doubt if they are going to demoralize their base by getting all squishy on guns. I expect nothing will change.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:21:25pm

re: #254 whitebeach

Since we were talking about Watergate earlier, does anybody else remember when Chuck Colson, the big White House aide and conservative, got sent to spend some time in the big house up the river for his role in all that, and came out a huge advocate for prison reform?

That’s right, he did. I mean I’m glad these people are capable of so called Come to Jesus moments but I really really wish they’d think about others first. I’m not black, I’m not LGBT, I’m not Muslim but I place myself in minority’s shoes when I evaluating the world around me. I know damn well if I hadn’t been born to a well to do family, I would have had the educational resources I did as a person on the autistic spectrum. And that’s what I want for others. I want them to have the same chances I had. And I want racial minorities to be assumed innocent the way I am too ad not judged because of the clotes they wear or music they listen to.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:21:45pm

re: #258 KingKenrod

The GOP is on the edge of a catastrophe, I doubt if they are going to demoralize their base by getting all squishy on guns. I expect nothing will change.

More likely, they will insist Capitol Police carry assault rifles at all times.

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:21:56pm

re: #233 HappyWarrior

You never know. Sometimes having something hit close to home can really give people a change of heart. I’d hate for this to be why he did but if he did, I’d applaud it even if I can’t stand him for being a Duke fan.

It worked for Mark Kirk; he used to think 6 physical therapy sessions was plenty for Medicare to cover and people who want more than that should just pay for it themselves. Then he had a stroke, realized 6 was just a drop in the bucket, and changed his budget recommendations.

Also, Rob Portman used to think gay marriage was an abomination, the end of civilization on earth. Until he found out his son is gay; that changed his mind in a hurry.

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:22:06pm

re: #256 Kragar

Between the GOP destroying healthcare, voting rights, the enviroment, and the American way of life, I’m not goint to let that shit David Duke lite Scalise distract from real issues.

I left a message with my senator Cory Gardner today. On Friday an actual human being answered and I complained that the AHCA is being deliberated and passed in secret. Today? “Please leave a message.”

Cory Gardner is one of the 13 white men writing the bill in the Senate in secret, so the three times I’ve called his office is akin to screaming at a wall. I still did it, dag nab it!

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TedStriker  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:22:22pm

re: #248 FormerDirtDart

Goddamn ghoul…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:22:51pm

More “too many village trustees in one place” nonsense:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:23:28pm

re: #261 sagehen

It worked for Mark Kirk; he used to think 6 physical therapy sessions was plenty for Medicare to cover and people who want more than that should just pay for it themselves. Then he had a stroke, realized 6 was just a drop in the bucket, and changed his budget recommendations.

Also, Rob Portman used to think gay marriage was an abomination, the end of civilization on earth. Until he found out his son is gay; that changed his mind in a hurry.

Exactly. I mean as I said I am glad these people have those moments but I really do wish they would think about others first. Cheney gets a lot of atta boys for being pro SSM which quite frankly I think are a bit undeserved. I doubt he would support SSM if Mary weren’t a lesbian. I am glad he does btw because it shows he’s not a total monster like Alan Keyes or Randall Terry of Operation rescue, both of whom disowned chlidren for beign gay.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:26:48pm

re: #259 HappyWarrior

Hear hear!

Unless I let something out about myself (liberal, atheist, pacifist, &c) I am not going to be harassed by police somewhere. (Except maybe for my overly-long hair.)

The worst police harassment I ever have gotten is every time I walk in our county sheriff’s office (I’m keepin’ mah aye on ya, a running gag between us.)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:27:28pm

I do see the Republicans talking about how they may be scarred by going to the baseball field in the future and man I hear that because trauma is a powerful thing but I just wish they had worked after Sandy Hook to do the same. I hear one Congerssman say he wanted to know the background of the shooter. Well sir, we have supported background checks on gun buyers for years and your party has fought it. I guess in the end, I just wish things didn’t have to hit close to home for Republicans and conservatives to care about issues. I really think that is one crucial thing that sperates us from the conservatives. Liberals empathize with others much more and conservatives even some of the more genuinely nice ones I have met just struggle with that. It’s something I see with one of my best friends. He can’t imagine himself as a Muslim-american being harassed because he only wants to look at things as a white guy. I’m a white guy too but I Really do try to empathize.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:27:35pm

re: #259 HappyWarrior

That’s right, he did. I mean I’m glad these people are capable of so called Come to Jesus moments but I really really wish they’d think about others first. I’m not black, I’m not LGBT, I’m not Muslim but I place myself in minority’s shoes when I evaluating the world around me. I know damn well if I hadn’t been born to a well to do family, I would have had the educational resources I did as a person on the autistic spectrum. And that’s what I want for others. I want them to have the same chances I had. And I want racial minorities to be assumed innocent the way I am too ad not judged because of the clotes they wear or music they listen to.

Many conservatives seem to lack empathy for others who are not like them. They may profess to be religious, but in practice they only help the fellows who are part of their own social group. Everyone else is a non-entity.

The situation changes when one of these conservatives is personally affected by injustice. Often, they swing 180 degrees away from their previous apathetic attitudes and become (dare I say it) social justice warriors.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:28:27pm

re: #268 wheat-dogg

Many conservatives seem to lack empathy for others who are not like them. They may profess to be religious, but in practice they only help the fellows who are part of their own social group. Everyone else is a non-entity.

The situation changes when one of these conservatives is personally affected by injustice. Often, they swing 180 degrees away from their previous apathetic attitudes and become (dare I say it) social justice warriors.

Exactly.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:29:50pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:29:55pm

re: #268 wheat-dogg

Many conservatives seem to lack empathy for others who are not like them. They may profess to be religious, but in practice they only help the fellows who are part of their own social group. Everyone else is a non-entity.

The situation changes when one of these conservatives is personally affected by injustice. Often, they swing 180 degrees away from their previous apathetic attitudes and become (dare I say it) social justice warriors.

Most notable is Dick Cheney. As congresscritter for Wyoming for a long long time, he quietly voted against every piece of anti-gay legislation that was brought up. Why? His daughter Mary, who’s gay.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:30:27pm

re: #269 HappyWarrior

Exactly.

It’s a kind of primitive tribalism, very Old Testament in many ways.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:30:50pm

I mean it is easier I totally see when something comes close ot home for you. I get that but you owe it to yourself and others to see there are more people than just you in the world. I do try to understand the conservative world view and honestly I just don’t see it. I just don’t see why someone in a town or even a county that has fewer Muslims than my graduating class frets about Shariah Law and can’t see that those of us in diverse areas have worked, been educated with, etc with Muslims and other groups for years.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:31:20pm

re: #270 FormerDirtDart

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Lumpy is a fucking ghoul. He probably jizzed himself when he heard the news this morning.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:32:27pm

re: #270 FormerDirtDart

We can’t ask the shooter now, but I suspect he learned about the ball game and just went out intending to shoot some Congresspeople regardless of their party. It’s not like you can always tell who’s a D and who’s an R by their appearance.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:32:46pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

Just saw a really stupid meme though. Photo of EMTs, “You wouldn’t tip them” so “Why should you tip them” Photo of wait staff.

Maybe someone ought to do a counter-meme - You wouldn’t try to pay them [the emt’s] $2.00/hr so why would you do that to them [wait staff]

Fuck idiots who don’t understand why they need tips.

ETA: I see my point is addressed in the very next comment….

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:34:08pm

re: #271 teleskiguy

Most notable is Dick Cheney. As congresscritter for Wyoming for a long long time, he quietly voted against every piece of anti-gay legislation that was brought up. Why? His daughter Mary, who’s gay.

There’s a lot of examples of this and I don’t want to attack Jim Brady since I think he and his wife did a lot to advance sensible gun laws in this country but it really seems to me that it took Jim being shot for them to realize the importance of said laws. I don’t want people getting hurt or mistreated for people to realize why we need certain laws, I want people to realize we need them because they look within and realize that those laws really could help a lot of Americans and if it helps them and their familiy too, well that’s just a nice added bonus. I’m not gay but I’ve supported same sex marriage for a very long time. I barely knew anyone openly gay when I first did.

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allegro  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:35:44pm

re: #275 wheat-dogg

We can’t ask the shooter now, but I suspect he learned about the ball game and just went out intending to shoot some Congresspeople regardless of their party. It’s not like you can always tell who’s a D and who’s an R by their appearance.

As a Bernie Bro he probably had equal hatred for both.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:36:30pm

re: #278 allegro

As a Bernie Bro he probably had equal hatred for both.

Somehow yeah I don’t think he was a Pelosi or Schumer fan.

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covfefe  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:37:33pm

Well.

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BigPapa  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:37:48pm

re: #274 HappyWarrior

Lumpy is a fucking ghoul. He probably jizzed himself when he heard the news this morning.

Whoah, that’s totally gross and over the top. And correct.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:38:49pm

re: #273 HappyWarrior

I mean it is easier I totally see when something comes close ot home for you. I get that but you owe it to yourself and others to see there are more people than just you in the world. I do try to understand the conservative world view and honestly I just don’t see it. I just don’t see why someone in a town or even a county that has fewer Muslims than my graduating class frets about Shariah Law and can’t see that those of us in diverse areas have worked, been educated with, etc with Muslims and other groups for years.

I got into an online argument with a guy on Steemit (whom I later unfollowed) because of some bigoted remark he made about Pakistan wanting to stay in the 14th century. I pointed out most Pakistanis are fully in the 21st century and are happy to be there. He ranted some more. Before I signed off, I told him I had friends who are Pakistanis and I was merely repeating what they told me about their homeland.

One of my memorable experiences in college was listening in on a conversation between two of my summer roommates, a Pakistani and a Turk, and a guy from downstairs, also a Pakistani, as they debated the role of Islam in the 20th century.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:39:41pm

Update: an hour and a half was apparently an optimistic estimate of when I’d get to have dinner.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:40:05pm
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darthstar  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:40:21pm

TWITTER FUCKING WIN.

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:41:40pm

re: #281 BigPapa

Whoah, that’s totally gross and over the top. And correct.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:42:04pm

re: #273 HappyWarrior

I mean it is easier I totally see when something comes close ot home for you. I get that but you owe it to yourself and others to see there are more people than just you in the world. I do try to understand the conservative world view and honestly I just don’t see it. I just don’t see why someone in a town or even a county that has fewer Muslims than my graduating class frets about Shariah Law and can’t see that those of us in diverse areas have worked, been educated with, etc with Muslims and other groups for years.

To the best of my knowledge there are no Muslims anywhere in my county, but I occasionally hear fear statements from people in my town.

The strangest I mentioned here before, when my wife and I returned from Poland. A lot of people told us they couldn’t imagine travelling to Poland, because they were afraid ISIS might attack Poland. No amount of reassurance that Poland is not exactly on Daesh’s radar or that your chance of being a victim of a terrorist is lower than being eaten by a shark after being struck by lightning in the Sandhills assuages that.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:43:35pm

re: #280 covfefe

Well.

Scroll up to 241. And, I was tweeted that Acosta adjusted his reporting on-air on CNN that Trump did visit him in his room

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:45:26pm
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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:47:15pm

re: #287 Anymouse

To the best of my knowledge there are no Muslims anywhere in my county, but I occasionally hear fear statements from people in my town.

The strangest I mentioned here before, when my wife and I returned from Poland. A lot of people told us they couldn’t imagine travelling to Poland, because they were afraid ISIS might attack Poland. No amount of reassurance that Poland is not exactly on Daesh’s radar or that your chance of being a victim of a terrorist is lower than being eaten by a shark after being struck by lightning in the Sandhills assuages that.

When I and my family were preparing to spend a year in South Africa in 2000, a very good friend of ours freaked out, saying we were putting our children in jeopardy and she even threatened to call CPS on us. Seems she had been reading news reports about people mounting flame throwers on their cars to ward off carjackers, and had gotten this mental image of South Africa being in total anarchy.

We *were* victims of petty theft during our stay, but we never felt unsafe. Miraculously, we survived the “white genocide” sweeping across the RSA.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:47:40pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:49:55pm

re: #290 wheat-dogg

There were some really heinous crimes in the aftermath of the apartheid government losing power, but it wasn’t something like Somalia.

Poland is safer than Nebraska.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:50:41pm

re: #287 Anymouse

To the best of my knowledge there are no Muslims anywhere in my county, but I occasionally hear fear statements from people in my town.

The strangest I mentioned here before, when my wife and I returned from Poland. A lot of people told us they couldn’t imagine travelling to Poland, because they were afraid ISIS might attack Poland. No amount of reassurance that Poland is not exactly on Daesh’s radar or that your chance of being a victim of a terrorist is lower than being eaten by a shark after being struck by lightning in the Sandhills assuages that.

I was lucky. I had Muslim classmates literally from the start. But yeah, I think a lot of people just don’t understand those sort of things. I mean it’s like how I view their beliefs about guns. I get that they want to be heroes and do teh right thing but it’s that too often a gun would make an already chaotic sitaution worse.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:51:45pm

re: #293 HappyWarrior

I was lucky. I had Muslim classmates literally from the start. But yeah, I think a lot of people just don’t understand those sort of things. I mean it’s like how I view their beliefs about guns. I get that they want to be heroes and do teh right thing but it’s that too often a gun would make an already chaotic sitaution worse.

The most dangerous part of our trip was driving to the airport in Regina. Lots of idiots on rural roads.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:52:01pm

re: #291 Anymouse

Scalise apparently dragged himself aways after being shot, saying he was shot in the leg and he was “OK.”

Clearly he wasn’t.

I hope the man recovers.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:52:32pm

re: #282 wheat-dogg

I got into an online argument with a guy on Steemit (whom I later unfollowed) because of some bigoted remark he made about Pakistan wanting to stay in the 14th century. I pointed out most Pakistanis are fully in the 21st century and are happy to be there. He ranted some more. Before I signed off, I told him I had friends who are Pakistanis and I was merely repeating what they told me about their homeland.

One of my memorable experiences in college was listening in on a conversation between two of my summer roommates, a Pakistani and a Turk, and a guy from downstairs, also a Pakistani, as they debated the role of Islam in the 20th century.

It is so so rewarding to meet people from other places and hear their experiences and perspectives. My brother was telling me about an older Cuban man, a man whose family ahd definitely been part of the Pre-Castro elite tell his story. My brother being a staunch lefty probably didn’t have much in common with this guy at all ideologically but he was willing to listen to his story.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:52:40pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:53:09pm
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calochortus  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:53:53pm

re: #275 wheat-dogg

We can’t ask the shooter now, but I suspect he learned about the ball game and just went out intending to shoot some Congresspeople regardless of their party. It’s not like you can always tell who’s a D and who’s an R by their appearance.

He apparently asked someone in the parking lot if the baseball players were Dems or GOP, so I don’t think he would have shot random Dems.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:54:15pm

re: #295 wheat-dogg

Scalise apparently dragged himself aways after being shot, saying he was shot in the leg and he was “OK.”

Clearly he wasn’t.

I hope the man recovers.

Obviously sometimes, you don’t know how bad it is until later. It’s a great thing we have physicians that are trained in these sort of things. This is actually something that the man that was the winner of the primary here in Virginia last night for governor, Ralph Northam can talk a lot about, he’s been a physician for both wounded soldiers and civilians.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:54:30pm

re: #299 calochortus

He apparently asked someone in the parking lot if the baseball players were Dems or GOP, so I don’t think he would have shot random Dems.

It was reported that was a bystander, not the shooter.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:54:59pm

re: #301 Anymouse

It was reported that was a bystander, not the shooter.

I’ve seen mixed things on that front. Some saying it was the shooter, some saying it was a bystander.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:56:36pm

re: #292 Anymouse

There were some really heinous crimes in the aftermath of the apartheid government losing power, but it wasn’t something like Somalia.

Poland is safer than Nebraska.

Most of those terrible crimes were a distant memory by the time we arrived. And even then, they were isolated incidents, not total civil war. South Africa still has its problems, but I was deeply impressed by the determination of nearly everyone to make the new government and social order work. I credit Mandela with inspiring his nation to be optimistic and compassionate.

I had a great time living there. Not sure if it’s the ideal place to retire, though.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:56:52pm

I really think championing small business and a lot of immigrants are small business owners too by the way is a great thing for our party and ideology to do.

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calochortus  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:57:11pm

re: #301 Anymouse

It was reported that was a bystander, not the shooter.

Both have been reported. The guy who reported it said after seeing a picture of the shooter that he was the guy. Eyewitness testimony is not all it’s cracked up to be, but I see no reason to believe the shooter didn’t want to target the GOP based on his hatred for Trump and the 1% and all.

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TedStriker  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:57:29pm

re: #286 teleskiguy

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 7:58:35pm

re: #303 wheat-dogg

Most of those terrible crimes were a distant memory by the time we arrived. And even then, they were isolated incidents, not total civil war. South Africa still has its problems, but I was deeply impressed by the determination of nearly everyone to make the new government and social order work. I credit Mandela with inspiring his nation to be optimistic and compassionate.

I had a great time living there. Not sure if it’s the ideal place to retire, though.

Were you here the other night when someone posted a twitter thing of some alt-right dickbag trying to tell a white South African that they lived in a white genocide hell hole. They weren’t having any of that. I’d love to visit SA too. Only thing that may worry me though is the waters are said to be quite shark infested but I’d love to add the Indian ocean to the list of oceans I’ve swam in and it’d be the last because no way are you going to find me in the Arctic or Southern Oceans.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:00:32pm

npr.org
Meanwhile in Ireland. Leo is an immigrant’s son too. Catholicism will always be part of the Irish identity but it’s not defining it and that’s a good thing as Ireland has embraced support for LGBT people and non Catholics alike.

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:03:11pm
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Scout  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:03:53pm

I rather enjoy casting about, looking for a single word to describe someone or something. Today my word for Trump is “puerile.”

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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:04:09pm

re: #296 HappyWarrior

It is so so rewarding to meet people from other places and hear their experiences and perspectives. My brother was telling me about an older Cuban man, a man whose family ahd definitely been part of the Pre-Castro elite tell his story. My brother being a staunch lefty probably didn’t have much in common with this guy at all ideologically but he was willing to listen to his story.

Exactly. My brother-in-law is about my age and the classic example of a good old boy from Kentucky. He will talk your ears off about his former neighbors, who are Bosnian, and their wonderful coffee, their delicious cooking, and their warmth in inviting him and my sis-in-law to dinner many times. If anyone disrespected Bosnians, or even Muslims, I suspect my bro-in-law would probably deck him.

He has a great deal of respect for people who had to flee their homes as refugees, too. Their neighborhood was very mixed, with refugees from all over the world trying to make a go of it in the USA.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:06:24pm

re: #311 wheat-dogg

Exactly. My brother-in-law is about my age and the classic example of a good old boy from Kentucky. He will talk your ears off about his former neighbors, who are Bosnian, and their wonderful coffee, their delicious cooking, and their warmth in inviting him and my sis-in-law to dinner many times. If anyone disrespected Bosnians, or even Muslims, I suspect my bro-in-law would probably deck him.

He has a great deal of respect for people who had to flee their homes as refugees, too. Their neighborhood was very mixed, with refugees from all over the world trying to make a go of it in the USA.

Your brother in law sounds like a great guy. That’s the kind of attitude that makes our country great. I’m remembering my childhood cul-de-sac now, we had a few Christian families including one Mormon, one Jewish family, one family where the father was Indian-American, and another where the couple and their sons were from Venezuela I believe.

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:07:23pm
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whitebeach  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:08:26pm

re: #287 Anymouse

re: #290 wheat-dogg

I think this is almost a universal function among American xenophobes, who are a very large group. When I first went to Ireland in the 1990s countless people warned me about the deadly and ubiquitous violence I would be chancing. It didn’t matter that the Troubles had been over for years, or that even during the Troubles the country was far less dangerous per capita than my recent residence of NYC had been, or even that it was far less dangerous than my current residence of Baton Rouge was. Many Americans simply want to believe that all foreign countries are hellholes relative to the Good Ole USA, facts and statistics and The Quiet Man be damned. In truth Eire was the most peaceful and least fearful place I’ve ever visited.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:10:19pm

re: #307 HappyWarrior

Were you here the other night when someone posted a twitter thing of some alt-right dickbag trying to tell a white South African that they lived in a white genocide hell hole. They weren’t having any of that. I’d love to visit SA too. Only thing that may worry me though is the waters are said to be quite shark infested but I’d love to add the Indian ocean to the list of oceans I’ve swam in and it’d be the last because no way are you going to find me in the Arctic or Southern Oceans.

Yeah, I even dropped in on that Twitter thread myself.

It’s been a while since I’ve been there, but not all the beaches are shark infested. There are surely beaches on the east coast (Indian Ocean side) safe for a quick dip.

I’ve swum in the Atlantic, the Pacific, and the South China Sea. I also want to add the Indian Ocean, because we somehow never got to the beach while we were in SA.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:11:37pm

re: #314 whitebeach

I think this is almost a universal function among American xenophobes, who are a very large group. When I first went to Ireland in the 1990s countless people warned me about the deadly and ubiquitous violence I would be chancing. It didn’t matter that the Troubles had been over for years, or that even during the Troubles the country was far less dangerous per capita than my recent residence of NYC had been, or even that it was far less dangerous than my current residence of Baton Rouge was. Many Americans simply want to believe that all foreign countries are hellholes relative to the Good Ole USA, facts and statistics and The Quiet Man be damned. In truth Eire was the most peaceful and least fearful place I’ve ever visited.

Loved Ireland and its people. Everyone talks about the bartenders but the cab drivers I think are just as cool. Always eager to help Americans out. I still think about the one cabbie I ahd in Galway who pointed me to Lord Haw Haw’s burial location and told me not to feel bad if I were somehow related to him (I’m a Joyce on my Dad’s Mom’s side). But I also rememebr the African immigrant cabby who asked me about Obama. Another great bunch of people I really came to like a lot in my travels were the Portuguese. Very few of them had been to the U.S. so I could tell them stories and they in turn tried to teach me some Portuguese. I only remember Abrigado but I really liked them. Such nice people.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:11:48pm

Because Bitcoin is exactly like the Holocaust - good job, Libertarian Party.

First they came for those who traded Liberty Dollars, and I said nothing—
because I had no Liberty Dollars.
Then they came for Bitcoin exchange vendors, and I said nothing—
because I had no bitcoins.
Then they came for the rest of us whose only currency was Federal Reserve notes…

The Libertarian Party chair is objecting to the case of a man convicted of being an unregistered financial products dealer. Reading the LP version of the case here makes it look like he may have violated the law, or may have been railroaded, but I am not a lawyer.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:12:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:12:30pm

re: #315 wheat-dogg

Yeah, I even dropped in on that Twitter thread myself.

It’s been a while since I’ve been there, but not all the beaches are shark infested. There are surely beaches on the east coast (Indian Ocean side) safe for a quick dip.

I’ve swum in the Atlantic, the Pacific, and the South China Sea. I also want to add the Indian Ocean, because we somehow never got to the beach while we were in SA.

I have let’s see: Atlantic both sides(swam in Cascais in Lisbon), Pacific(on our West coast), and the Meditterrean in Barcelona.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:13:36pm

re: #318 Charles Johnson

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Go ahead guys, pick a fight with Mueller. That’ll make you look so good.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:13:48pm

re: #318 Charles Johnson

They misspelled ‘Investigating’…in their fucking talking points.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:14:10pm

re: #318 Charles Johnson

Conclusion: “Oh, when will this fishing expedition end?”

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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:14:17pm

re: #314 whitebeach

I think this is almost a universal function among American xenophobes, who are a very large group. When I first went to Ireland in the 1990s countless people warned me about the deadly and ubiquitous violence I would be chancing. It didn’t matter that the Troubles had been over for years, or that even during the Troubles the country was far less dangerous per capita than my recent residence of NYC had been, or even that it was far less dangerous than my current residence of Baton Rouge was. Many Americans simply want to believe that all foreign countries are hellholes relative to the Good Ole USA, facts and statistics and The Quiet Man be damned. In truth Eire was the most peaceful and least fearful place I’ve ever visited.

Same here.

I had to explain to our alarmist friend that someone reading news reports about our American cities could easily conclude that all Americans carry weapons and shoot each other over the slightest insult. In fact, I’ve had Chinese people here ask that very question.

Spent a year in South Africa. Saw not one car with a flame-thrower on it.

Dang. Now I want to go back there.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:14:18pm

re: #321 darthstar

They misspelled ‘Investigating’…in their fucking talking points.

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Do they not know that they’re the majority party?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:14:23pm

re: #318 Charles Johnson

That’s a lot of talking points. They didn’t whip those up in a couple hours. It’s almost like they were expecting this.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:15:24pm

re: #324 HappyWarrior

Do they not know that they’re the majority party?

Shh…they haven’t realized that yet.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:15:58pm

They said to beware of pickpockets in Barcelona too and tbh even though I was on my guard, I didn’t really worry about it after the first afternoon. In Ireland though, I walked around like I would here. I think the only thing keeping me from passing for a local was my obvious American accent and I think my complexion is a little darker than teh average Irishman.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:17:15pm

re: #312 HappyWarrior

Your brother in law sounds like a great guy. That’s the kind of attitude that makes our country great. I’m remembering my childhood cul-de-sac now, we had a few Christian families including one Mormon, one Jewish family, one family where the father was Indian-American, and another where the couple and their sons were from Venezuela I believe.

He is. I’m very lucky in having (former) in-laws who genuinely very nice people, who completely understand why I and their family member are now divorced.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:18:22pm

re: #304 HappyWarrior

I really think championing small business and a lot of immigrants are small business owners too by the way is a great thing for our party and ideology to do.

Afaik this is established fact. Small biz does all kinds of things right by way of inclinations that corporate culture simply does not, what with oft putting shareholders ahead of employees and customers. Not just small retail. Small mfg, small service businesses. Sure small biz can’t swing big ticket benefits all too often.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:18:22pm
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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:18:26pm

re: #327 HappyWarrior

They said to beware of pickpockets in Barcelona too and tbh even though I was on my guard, I didn’t really worry about it after the first afternoon. In Ireland though, I walked around like I would here. I think the only thing keeping me from passing for a local was my obvious American accent and I think my complexion is a little darker than teh average Irishman.

Pickpockets are a universal affliction.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:19:06pm
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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:19:10pm

re: #316 HappyWarrior

BTW, it’s obrigado (thank you).

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:20:26pm

re: #329 Unshaken Defiance

Afaik this is established fact. Small biz does all kinds of things right by way of inclinations that corporate culture simply does not, what with oft putting shareholders ahead of employees and customers. Not just small retail. Small mfg, small service businesses. Sure small biz can’t swing big ticket benefits all too often.

The thing about small biz is the owners are often our neighbors and friends. My dad actually was a small business owner when I was a little kid. It didn’t work out so well. My time at the law firm ahs really helped me understand small business issues.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:20:45pm

re: #331 wheat-dogg

Pickpockets are a universal affliction.

They are but everything I was reading suggested Barcelona was especially bad.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:21:05pm

re: #333 wheat-dogg

BTW, it’s obrigado (thank you).

Obrigado! ;)

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calochortus  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:21:18pm

re: #332 jaunte

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They’ve been investigating him for maybe a week and haven’t found anything so you know there’s nothing there.
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:21:52pm

re: #335 HappyWarrior

They are but everything I was reading suggested Barcelona was especially bad.

When I was stationed in Rota, I travelled to Barcelona several times (for shopping, for touring, for beaches, &c). Made port there many times for liberty. Never any trouble (anecdote, yadayada).

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:22:12pm

re: #330 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:23:18pm

re: #338 Anymouse

When I was stationed in Rota, I travelled to Barcelona several times (for shopping, for touring, for beaches, &c). Made port there many times for liberty. Never any trouble (anecdote, yadayada).

I really liked it. Wish my Spanish was better though. I could get away with not speaking Portuguese in Lisbon. Couldn’t really do that in Madrid, Pamplona, and Barcelona.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:24:22pm

re: #337 calochortus

An optimist falls off a 10-story building. Passing the sixth story, he thinks, “So far, so good!”

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calochortus  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:25:51pm

re: #341 jaunte

An optimist falls off a 10-story building. Passing the sixth story, he thinks, “So far, so good!”

But does he issue a press release/Tweet to that effect?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:26:41pm

re: #340 HappyWarrior

I really liked it. Wish my Spanish was better though. I could get away with not speaking Portuguese in Lisbon. Couldn’t really do that in Madrid, Pamplona, and Barcelona.

I had fun driving to Algarve in southern Portugal as well. My spoken Portuguese is a little rough (since I hadn’t used it since I was seventeen) but I managed.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:27:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:28:06pm

re: #343 Anymouse

I had fun driving to Algarve in southern Portugal as well. My spoken Portuguese is a little rough (since I hadn’t used it since I was seventeen) but I managed.

I think they understood I wouldn’t speak English since it’s not taught in most schools. Plus most of them know it anyhow even the older people. I really loved the people in Portugal. So friendly. I’d love to see the friends on the staff I met at teh hostel I stayed at again.

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calochortus  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:28:07pm

re: #344 jaunte

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And I’m fine with that.

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whitebeach  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:28:14pm

re: #331 wheat-dogg

Pickpockets are a universal affliction.

In New York years ago a detective assigned to this kind of crime in Grand Central Terminal was asked by a reporter, I think for New York mag, why they didn’t put up signs warning people about pickpockets. The cop gave him a look I can easily picture and said, “You read a sign like that, where does your hand go first? You’re doing the dip’s work for him.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:28:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:29:02pm

re: #348 Anymouse

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Fuck off Greg seriously.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:29:58pm

re: #345 HappyWarrior

I think they understood I wouldn’t speak English since it’s not taught in most schools. Plus most of them know it anyhow even the older people. I really loved the people in Portugal. So friendly. I’d love to see the friends on the staff I met at teh hostel I stayed at again.

The strangest thing I think I ever saw in Europe was about ten nuns pack themselves into a four-person hotel lift in Paris. It’s like the nuns could fold themselves into another dimension.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:30:37pm

re: #336 HappyWarrior

Obrigado! ;)

Tudo bem

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:30:59pm
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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:31:15pm

Elsewhere on Earth:

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:31:20pm

LOL …

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whitebeach  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:31:36pm

re: #350 Anymouse

The strangest thing I think I ever saw in Europe was about ten nuns pack themselves into a four-person hotel lift in Paris. It’s like the nuns could fold themselves into another dimension.

No telling how many could dance on the head of a pin.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:31:55pm

re: #352 teleskiguy

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Then maybe you can tell your right wing friends to stop posing with guns and stop acting like they’re the heirs of hte American Revolutionaries.

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calochortus  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:33:04pm

re: #353 jaunte

Elsewhere on Earth:

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Gah. Today isn’t bad enough?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:34:04pm

re: #350 Anymouse

The strangest thing I think I ever saw in Europe was about ten nuns pack themselves into a four-person hotel lift in Paris. It’s like the nuns could fold themselves into another dimension.

Tehy had to get up huh.

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calochortus  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:34:39pm

re: #353 jaunte

Elsewhere on Earth:

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Also, there’s a Ramada in Mogadishu?

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:35:12pm
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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:35:56pm

re: #359 calochortus

There’s a Pizza House; I’d be surprised if there wasn’t a Waffle Hut.

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bratwurst  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:37:01pm

Ok, I am going to bed.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:37:14pm

re: #332 jaunte

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:37:40pm

re: #360 Kragar

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When Hellboy schools your ass. Really Lumpy, you literally were friends with Hal fucking Turner and bitched about Obama’s choice of burger condiment. Hatred is a problem in this country but you’re one of hte most hateful bastards out there.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:37:59pm

re: #334 HappyWarrior

My jewelry/metallurgy career has been 100% small biz, all employers and most customers. There are compromises for sure and plenty of perils. I have a financial regret from time to time. But I’m also aware of the divorce depression and alcoholism rates associated with big biz high stress high pay.

USA Inc.? Not for me.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:38:48pm

re: #362 bratwurst

Ok, I am going to bed.

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Yeah because Jenna Jameson understands policy and David Frum doesnj’t. Way to go Twitchy. BEsides, I tought you guys didn’t like celebrity talking about politics or is that only okay when they spout your bullshit?

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:39:17pm

re: #352 teleskiguy

The liason between rhetoric and violence will not be applied to:

- assaults on South Asians accused of being Muslim, in this country illegitimately, and responsible for terrorism
- attacks of transsexuals motivated by the suspicion that they’re dangerous and sexually depraved
- the deaths of young black men who are always guilty of something, because “thugs”
- that PP clinic that got shot up in Colorado
- sovereign citizens targeting cops

We can only talk about how the shooter was a Bernie guy, and how even though Bernie never got even close to the kind of “X is an existential threat, prepare to defend youselves” language that gets used by wingnuts daily…he’ll be responsible. And in turn, all liberals are responsible.

Them’s the rules.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:39:28pm

re: #363 MsJ

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A scumabg just like her uncle Mitty.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:39:32pm

re: #330 Charles Johnson

I’ve been reading dystopian science fiction since November. Current events fit the genre.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:40:38pm

They really want to attack Muelelr. A man who has more integrity in his pinky than anyone in the GOP leadership.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:40:58pm

I say go for it, our majority will thank you for it.

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:41:07pm
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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:41:22pm

re: #359 calochortus

Also, there’s a Ramada in Mogadishu?

That was my exact thought.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:42:26pm

re: #372 Kragar

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Russophobia? Oh to remember the days where the right hated anything to do with Russia but they’re good now since you and Pooty bond over your love of theocracy and hate of gays.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:43:47pm

re: #363 MsJ

If Mueller develops (or has developed) proof, he will present it to a prosecutor or Congress (I am not sure of his mandate), not some wingnut writer. At that point the courts or Congress will evaluate the evidence.

“He hasn’t shown us proof” is not an argument for any crime - that’s why we have investigations.

It is nothing more than a variant of “there’s nothing to see here, move along.”

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:43:58pm

re: #374 HappyWarrior

They don’t mind redistribution, if it’s to cronies.

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:46:06pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:46:10pm

On “Russophobia” (otherwise known as patriotism):

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:47:28pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:48:09pm

re: #79 Anymouse

Compassionate conservatism:

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They all get piled on in the replies. People are pushing back more against the deplorables these days.

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Jay C  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:51:01pm

re: #373 MsJ

re: #359 calochortus

Also, there’s a Ramada in Mogadishu?

That was my exact thought.

Me too, although I was kinda surprised there’s a place called (seemingly un-ironically) “Posh Treats”…

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2017 • 8:59:25pm

re: #381 Jay C

Me too, although I was kinda surprised there’s a place called (seemingly un-ironically) “Posh Treats”…

The city as a whole surprised me. I’m pretty well traveled but I thought the entirety of similar was…nothing really, like war torn, no business at all kind of nothing.

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Interesting Times  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:00:55pm

re: #74 teleskiguy

Thread.

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On that note, remember this rather revealing poll?

Stein herself certainly hasn’t espoused any violent rhetoric that I’m aware of, but a lot of the more…fervent BoB’ers ended up supporting her.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:02:24pm

re: #381 Jay C

“…Posh Treats is the newest venue in the Zobe area of Mogadishu. It is the first country club to be opened in the city after more than two decades of war. It houses a restaurant, spa and en-suite guest rooms for short or long stays. It also boasts luxury amenities such as a gym, a shisha spot and a snooker table. On Sunday evenings live solo performances of traditional music played on a Kaban, a Somali guitar similar to the Arabic Oud, take place. These are usually accompanied by dinner, story-telling or games.”
theguardian.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:05:04pm

Fire Breaks Out at Mexico’s Top Refinery, Nine Hurt
huffingtonpost.com

A major fire broke out at Mexican state oil producer Pemex’s Salina Cruz refinery on Wednesday after a crude spill, injuring nine people and extending the shutdown of the plant into a second day, the company said.

The blaze began in the pump house of Salina Cruz, Mexico’s largest refinery, on Wednesday morning, and the company was working to put it out, a Pemex spokeswoman said.

A Pemex spokesman said the fire had not yet reached the refinery’s nearby massive storage tanks, adding that efforts were under way to prevent that from happening.

Eight of the injured have been released from the hospital, the company said on its Twitter page.

(more at the link)

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calochortus  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:06:23pm

re: #384 jaunte

I’ll have to stop in if I’m ever in Mogadishu…

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:07:09pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:07:11pm

re: #386 calochortus

I’ll have to stop in if I’m ever in Mogadishu…

Might be safer than a United flight. /s

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calochortus  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:08:38pm

re: #388 Anymouse

Might be safer than a United flight. /s

LOL. And on that note, time for wine and a nice British mystery.

Hasta mañana, Lizards.

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William Lewis  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:08:53pm

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:10:03pm

re: #389 calochortus

LOL. And on that note, time for wine and a nice British mystery.

Hasta mañana, Lizards.

Até Amanhã

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:12:34pm

Someone calling after 10PM in Mythical Mountain time just now (twice) with heavy breathing; what is this, teenage fun time from the Seventies?

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:25:39pm

re: #390 William Lewis

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:26:32pm

re: #254 whitebeach

Yes and I also remember when that liar “Found Jesus and was born again”. “Born again” to the point that he went right into the Christian Coalition and Moral Majority when he came out of jail.

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BeachDem  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:27:47pm

re: #327 HappyWarrior

They said to beware of pickpockets in Barcelona too and tbh even though I was on my guard, I didn’t really worry about it after the first afternoon. In Ireland though, I walked around like I would here. I think the only thing keeping me from passing for a local was my obvious American accent and I think my complexion is a little darker than teh average Irishman.

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Swift2991  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:48:53pm

re: #25 Skip Intro
Ellsberg’s psychiatrist’s office was broken into, to see if they could get incriminating notes and recordings, and that was about November of 1971. And Nixon did order the burglary at the Brookings Institution in June of 1971, so…

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William Lewis  Jun 14, 2017 • 9:58:02pm

re: #393 Shiplord Kirel

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 14, 2017 • 10:54:02pm

re: #397 William Lewis

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William Lewis  Jun 14, 2017 • 11:10:43pm

re: #398 Shiplord Kirel

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HOFFMAN FILES Instant “Axis” - All Hitler, All the Time.blog.timesunion.com When I was 14 or so, my parents were nice enough to take me on a trip to California.  The last stop in our journey was San Francisco.  My parents had been there once before and were quite fond ...
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Russia’s Putin Visits Syria Airbase and Orders Start of Pullout Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered the partial withdrawal of Russian troops from Syria, during an unannounced visit there on Monday. Mr Putin was met by Syrian President Bashar Assad as he arrived at the Russian Hmeimim air base, ...
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Orkestra Obsolete Play Blue Monday Using 1930s Instruments - BBC Arts More information: bbc.in New Order's Blue Monday was released on 7 March 1983, and its cutting-edge electronic groove changed pop music forever. But what would it have sounded like if it had been made 50 years earlier? In a ...
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