New AP Poll: Majority of Americans Think Trump Doesn’t Respect US Institutions

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You can fool some of the people some of the time, but Donald Trump is finding it harder and harder to fool anyone at any time. A new survey from the Associated Press and the NORC Center for public Affairs Research shows that not only has Trump’s approval rating dropped to just 35%, 60% of Americans now believe Trump doesn’t respect America’s institutions.

Which is exactly right. The only question is: why isn’t that number even higher?

The new survey, conducted by the Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, found more than 6 in 10 Americans disapprove of the job Trump is doing as president, and nearly half strongly disapprove. The poll was conducted before a shooting spree at a Washington-era baseball field on Wednesday left a congressman wounded and renewed calls for more civil political discourse.

“We may have our differences, but we do well in times like these to remember that everyone who serves in our nation’s capital is here because, above all, they love our country,” Trump said Wednesday, responding to the shooting.

The survey suggests Trump faces considerable challenges as he seeks to position himself as a unifying figure.

Two-thirds of Americans, or 65 percent, think Trump doesn’t have much respect for the country’s democratic institutions and traditions or has none at all. Just a third of Americans, or 34 percent, thinks he has a great deal or even a fair amount of respect for them.

Overall, 64 percent disapprove and just 35 percent approve of his job performance.

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376 comments

1
I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 15, 2017 • 3:31:59pm

Donald Trump and respect don’t belong in the same sentence.

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jaunte  Jun 15, 2017 • 3:32:26pm
Two-thirds of Americans, or 65 percent, think Trump doesn’t have much respect for the country’s democratic institutions and traditions or has none at all.

I hope one of the available responses was “YA THINK???”

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freetoken  Jun 15, 2017 • 3:33:35pm

Will any of this force the GOP in Congress to mend their ways?

Probably not.

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jaunte  Jun 15, 2017 • 3:34:36pm

Hands across the aisle for the good of America, everybody!

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Skip Intro  Jun 15, 2017 • 3:35:55pm

re: #4 jaunte

That’s so childish I wonder if Trump wrote it himself.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 15, 2017 • 3:36:03pm

I wonder if LardAss has ever been to a National Park or Monument?

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EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2017 • 3:36:17pm

tr*mp has a great deal of respect for the US constitution. Without that, he’d leave really gross skid marks in all his underwear.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 15, 2017 • 3:36:34pm

re: #6 Dave In Austin

I wonder if LardAss has ever been to a National Park or Monument?

Of course he has! He’s been to Trump Tower, he’s been to every one of his Trump Golf Courses…

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EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2017 • 3:38:05pm

re: #5 Skip Intro

That’s so childish I wonder if Trump wrote it himself.

I think so too. And it is self-refuting. Hillary Clinton has the popular vote mandate from 2016, and can reasonably talk about an unrepresented majority etc.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 15, 2017 • 3:40:53pm

re: #3 freetoken

Will any of this force the GOP in Congress to mend their ways?

Probably not.

As long as the GOP retains control of the House and Senate and most State governments, they will not mend their ways. Why should they? They DO NOT CARE about their oath of office or the well being of this nation. Only if they start losing seats at all levels, will they start being concerned

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 15, 2017 • 3:44:06pm

re: #9 EPR-radar

I think so too. And it is self-refuting. Hillary Clinton has the popular vote mandate from 2016, and can reasonably talk about an unrepresented majority etc.

They don’t care about this: they will say and they do say that Trump ran a brilliant campaign and knew how to target the states needed to win the election — that if the contest had been based on winning the popular vote, he would have followed a different strategy and would have won.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 15, 2017 • 3:45:36pm

re: #3 freetoken

Will any of this force the GOP in Congress to mend their ways?

Probably not.

The GOP Congress is a symptom. As is Trump.

The real problem rests with the GOP rank-and-file who all willingly voted for this garbage, and will continue to vote for equally bad garbage if these nuts get thrown out or forced out.

That doesn’t mean that we don’t do anything, but that we understand how bad the situation is.

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EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2017 • 3:51:45pm

re: #12 Myron Falwell

The GOP Congress is a symptom. As is Trump.

The real problem rests with the GOP rank-and-file who all willingly voted for this garbage, and will continue to vote for equally bad garbage if these nuts get thrown out or forced out.

That doesn’t mean that we don’t do anything, but that we understand how bad the situation is.

The nation cannot endure half-Fox and half-free. It must become all one or all the other.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 15, 2017 • 3:52:09pm

At what point do we see the GOP start to think primary this guy? 3 years from now if he is still in but tanks the polls?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 3:52:20pm

From the previous page:

re: #172 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s called spoofing. They make the calls look like they are coming from semi legit, non 1800 numbers so you’ll be more likely to answer them.

The advantage of living in a town where our telephone book is one page.

My wife as librarian sent out a circular to everyone in town on this subject (since we have many elderly people here) on how to recognise spoofed numbers.

Every allocated number in town’s last four digits are 01xx (government and business), or 9xxx (residences). Any other number is spoofed.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 15, 2017 • 3:54:06pm

re: #1 I Would Prefer Not To

Donald Trump and respect don’t belong in the same sentence.

“I have absolutely zero respect for Donald Trump.”

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 3:55:56pm

That damn near 40% are still like okie dokie makes me want to vomit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2017 • 3:56:36pm

re: #15 Anymouse

From the previous page:

The advantage of living in a town where our telephone book is one page.

My wife as librarian sent out a circular to everyone in town on this subject (since we have many elderly people here) on how to recognise spoofed numbers.

Every allocated number in town’s last four digits are 01xx (government and business), or 9xxx (residences). Any other number is spoofed.

FYI: That is not actually correct. Your own phone number can be spoofed.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 15, 2017 • 3:57:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2017 • 3:58:24pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 15, 2017 • 3:58:49pm

re: #19 Dave In Austin

We deal with that here at LGF by having an ability to undo our “like” or “quote” (retweet). It’s not rocket surgery, people.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 15, 2017 • 3:59:51pm

re: #19 Dave In Austin

There are ways around that, like by confining the edit window to a very short timespan immediately after the tweet was made or potentially by undoing all likes/RTs that had happened to that point.

I do understand the reasoning behind why it is probably not going to happen though.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:00:31pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Thread!!
And it ends well!

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:00:53pm

Let’s remember that Comey is a Republican and I would practically guarantee that he would be just fine with President Pence.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:01:06pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

Congressman @RepChrisCollins calls for ways to allow elected politicians to carry their firearms into the Capitol.

This is starting to sound like a good idea. Also, an open bar in the chambers and meth sales in the cloakrooms.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:01:43pm

re: #23 Dave In Austin

Thread!!
And it ends well!

indeed:

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:03:18pm

re: #21 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

We deal with that here at LGF by having an ability to undo our “like” or “quote” (retweet). It’s not rocket surgery, people.

There is a real argument against it. With Twitter, you like something, it moves on, you don’t ever see it again. If edits are allowed, unless the edit is shown again like a new tweet, how do you know the person changed what you liked? Even if it is shown again, I think most people don’t read the entirety of their timeline anymore, so it’d be pretty easy to miss.

The potential for abuse is there and given that it’s Twitter, you can’t discount that. But like I said above, I could think of 2-3 ways to mitigate those issues. There may be technical reasons why they don’t want to bother, which is fine. Just means when I make a typo I have to decide whether to leave the damn thing up or delete and rewrite the tweet to correct it.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:03:24pm
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TedStriker  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:03:35pm

re: #2 jaunte

I hope one of the available responses was “YA THINK???”

Or “DUH!!!”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:04:43pm

re: #27 klys (maker of Silmarils)

There is a real argument against it. With Twitter, you like something, it moves on, you don’t ever see it again. If edits are allowed, unless the edit is shown again like a new tweet, how do you know the person changed what you liked? Even if it is shown again, I think most people don’t read the entirety of their timeline anymore, so it’d be pretty easy to miss.

The potential for abuse is there and given that it’s Twitter, you can’t discount that. But like I said above, I could think of 2-3 ways to mitigate those issues. There may be technical reasons why they don’t want to bother, which is fine. Just means when I make a typo I have to decide whether to leave the damn thing up or delete and rewrite the tweet to correct it.

Yeah, I could see that. But to your point, there are likely ways to solve that issue technically, which would depend on the exact architecture.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:08:42pm

re: #28 MsJ

“A sitting president cannot be indicted, only impeached” per that NBC news piece.

GAH!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:11:59pm

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

FYI: That is not actually correct. Your own phone number can be spoofed.

That’s true. Anyone’s number can be spoofed. In theory, you could also spoof our name for the caller ID as well.

However, the overwhelming majority of numbers in town are not allocated, thus if one of those numbers comes up it’s a spoof by default.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:12:35pm

ICYMI:

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EmmaAnne  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:12:58pm

HW, if you are around: Are you still looking for materials on the electoral college? The League of Women Voters did a ton of research on this before taking a position (that the EC is undemocratic and must go). And they usually put everything online.

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freetoken  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:15:23pm

re: #31 MsJ

Any Counsel/Special Investigator will be a source for Congress, should the latter want to impeach.

It is not clear to me the current GOP leaders are willing to do that even if Trump is shown to have committed treason.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:15:39pm

re: #31 MsJ

“A sitting president cannot be indicted, only impeached” per that NBC news piece.

GAH!

After he’s impeached and convicted, he’s not sitting.

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freetoken  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:16:12pm

re: #36 Decatur Deb

After he’s impeached and convicted, he’s not sitting.

But he will be pardoned before he’s out the door.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:16:17pm

re: #35 freetoken

Any Counsel/Special Investigator will be a source for Congress, should the latter want to impeach.

It is not clear to me the current GOP leaders are willing to do that even if Trump is shown to have committed treason.

Nothing, that’s what. Until those polls for Trump show that they, themselves are in danger. If that doesn’t happen, they will do nothing.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:16:43pm
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Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:16:57pm

re: #37 freetoken

But he will be pardoned before he’s out the door.

Election turnout has consequences.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:17:30pm

re: #36 Decatur Deb

After he’s impeached and convicted, he’s not sitting.

Where in the Constitution does it say the President cannot be convicted of a crime if shown to have committed one?

I get the feeling that Trump (speculating here) has not just dealt with the Mob, he is a Mob boss. “Donnie Two Scoops.”

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freetoken  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:17:32pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea

So, what’s the odds that Trump issues a pardon for Kushner, before there is even a conviction?

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freetoken  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:17:50pm

Can a President offer a pre-pardon?

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:18:05pm

re: #1 I Would Prefer Not To

Donald Trump and respect don’t belong in the same sentence.

And especially not in the White House.

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freetoken  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:18:11pm

Can a President pardon himself?

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freetoken  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:18:27pm

These may have seemed like silly questions in the past, but now…

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:18:27pm

Reading the comments under that NBC tweet is depressing. Sure, most of the are against this criminal in chief but too many think it’s fake news, Holt is a liberal and trump is draining the swamp and Clinton should be prosecuted as should Lynch.

The stupidity of this country astounds me.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:20:23pm

re: #41 Anymouse

Where in the Constitution does it say the President cannot be convicted of a crime if shown to have committed one?

I get the feeling that Trump (speculating here) has not just dealt with the Mob, he is a Mob boss. “Donnie Two Scoops.”

Apparently he can be convicted after successful impeachment for crimes committed earlier. That’s why all the talk of Nixon/Trump pardons.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:21:08pm

As I recall, what got Spiro Agnew was a criminal charge.

(checking)

Yup, tax evasion. Resignation was part of the plea deal.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:21:21pm

re: #45 freetoken

Can a President pardon himself?

If he farts and there is no dog present to blame.

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ObserverArt  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:21:58pm

re: #46 freetoken

These may have seemed like silly questions in the past, but now…

It was not that long ago you wouldn’t even consider some of these questions you are now asking.

Are you seeing things a bit differently this week?

Are you hearing the drums way in the background?

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Timothy Watson  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:22:20pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

Per Jane’s:

The Advanced Eagle is the latest variant of the Boeing-made fighter that has also been ordered by Saudi Arabia as the F-15SA.

janes.com

SNORT

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freetoken  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:22:30pm

So, according to the Constitution, a President cannot offer a pardon for impeachment.

But what about crimes not related to the impeachment charge(s)?

Seems the Constitution is rather nebulous there.

So, Trump could pardon himself for any crime not related to the impeachment charges, if there ever are any.

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Jay C  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:22:56pm

re: #1 I Would Prefer Not To

Donald Trump and respect don’t belong in the same sentence.

True this. Americans are conditioned (quite rightfully, IMO) to respect the Presidency: as it is the highest elected office in the land under the Constitution, with powers delegated to it under that Constitution, which is one of the principal foundations of the American Government; and has been for 228 years.

Then again, how on earth are we supposed to respect the President, when it’s Donald Trump?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:23:18pm

From Wikipedia, that font of all human ken (citation needed):

In 1973, Agnew was investigated by the United States Attorney for the District of Maryland on charges of extortion, tax fraud, bribery, and conspiracy. He was charged with having accepted bribes totaling more than $100,000 while holding office as Baltimore County Executive, Governor of Maryland, and Vice President. On October 10 that same year, Agnew was allowed to plead no contest to a single charge that he had failed to report $29,500 of income received in 1967, with the condition that he resign the office of Vice President.

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BlueGrl21  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:23:43pm

2016 felt like one of the longest years of my life.

2017 is flying by. Why?

Because in 2018 we WILL take back the House. And if Trump is still in office, 2019 will be a beauty of a year. Glorious.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:24:33pm

So. How’s that unifying thing coming along?

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Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:25:36pm

re: #19 Dave In Austin

I keep seeing requests for an edit button

Problem-

What if you LIKE or RETWEET me & then I completely change the meaning?

Simple solution. Like I did here at LGF, just set a time limit for how long the editing function is available.

People who play games like that will quickly be exposed as dishonest losers and shunned. I don’t think this is a real problem at all.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:26:00pm

re: #37 freetoken

But he will be pardoned before he’s out the door.

Depends on if that’s politically advantageous for Pence. He might just throw Trump overboard for the heck of it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:27:57pm

re: #59 Myron Falwell

Depends on if that’s politically advantageous for Pence.

If enough of the public were to turn against him, Pence would simply let him be figuratively thrown under a bus.

Pence knows how politics works.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:28:43pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

Simple solution. Like I did here at LGF, just set a time limit for how long the editing function is available.

People who play games like that will quickly be exposed as dishonest losers and shunned. I don’t think this is a real problem at all.

I think there is a difference between global twitterati and lizards, and it’s deeper than pizza preferences.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:28:51pm

I love these daily WaPo or NYT stories that come out at 5:45 EST.

Drip.
Drip.
Drip.
Drip.

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covfefe  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:29:09pm

Well yeah. That’s exactly why those that voted for him did just that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:29:52pm

heh

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Skip Intro  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:31:27pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea

That is a face just begging to be punched, just like PharmBro.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:32:22pm

Another excellent thread rant:

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Cheechako  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:32:39pm

re: #31 MsJ

“A sitting president cannot be indicted, only impeached” per that NBC news piece.

GAH!

Take a look at Article 1 Section 3 of the Constitution:

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

It looks to me that a person impeached by the Senate may, after the impeachment and removal from office, “… shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law”.

I don’t think anyone convicted by impeachment is off scott free.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:32:50pm
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freetoken  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:33:16pm

re: #51 ObserverArt

I hear drums alright.

The drums of the gun fetishists on Facebook, who are aghast at the idea that the likes of Trump, Paul, and the rest ought to be held accountable for their words, and are now clutching their pearls as “leftists” suggest that the gun-fetishists who block background checks for gun purchases contribute to the killing sprees in our society.

The drums of the old religious right trying real hard to get their agenda through before the whole house of cards collapses.

The drums of anarchists who delight in the unravelling of society’s general peace and comity.

Lots of drums playing out there.

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darthstar  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:33:39pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea

I’d love for slumlord jr. to get busted for his business dealings.

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Skip Intro  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:33:55pm

re: #53 freetoken

So, according to the Constitution, a President cannot offer a pardon for impeachment.

But what about crimes not related to the impeachment charge(s)?

Seems the Constitution is rather nebulous there.

So, Trump could pardon himself for any crime not related to the impeachment charges, if there ever are any.

What’s the Constitution have to do with anything? This is trump we’re talking about, fully backed by the GOP, Fox crazies, and angry people with guns.

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majii  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:34:28pm

re: #41 Anymouse

“Where in the Constitution does it say the President cannot be convicted of a crime if shown to have committed one?”

There’s nothing in the Constitution that allows an American president to be convicted for having committed a crime while in office except via the process of impeachment. My understanding is that a sitting American president can be indicted for a crime s/he committed before s/he entered office. Case in point is the Trump University case that Trump tried and failed to get dismissed after he was sworn in. To make the case go away, Trump ended up paying the plaintiffs $25 million.

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ObserverArt  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:34:30pm

re: #65 Skip Intro

That is a face just begging to be punched, just like PharmBro.

If not punchable…suspicious. He always looks like he just did something illegal.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:34:42pm

re: #67 Cheechako

Take a look at Article 1 Section 3 of the Constitution:

It looks to me that a person impeached by the Senate may, after the impeachment and removal from office, “… shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law”.

I don’t think anyone convicted by impeachment is off scott free.

Only after the republican held Senate votes to impeach.

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wrenchwench  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:36:38pm

I just did my first test ride with my new helmet on.

Tomorrow (or whenever it arrives) I will put this mirror on it.

Maybe then I’ll get the expected stares and shrieks. None today (8 block ride).

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freetoken  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:37:35pm

re: #72 majii

The Trump University case was a civil case. Nothing in the Constitution prohibits suing the President. Indeed, people try to sue an Administration all the time.

Regarding indictment for a crime - isn’t the sticking point not so much the indictment per se, but the inability to try the case?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:38:35pm

We ran out of coffee and smokes. Gotta go to the general store, be right back you poor devils.

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ObserverArt  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:38:52pm

re: #67 Cheechako

Take a look at Article 1 Section 3 of the Constitution:

It looks to me that a person impeached by the Senate may, after the impeachment and removal from office, “… shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law”.

I don’t think anyone convicted by impeachment is off scott free.

One of the biggest sentences that would affect Trump, should it come to that, is a complete trashing of his own name. Where “Trump” becomes a national joke and he is known as one of histories worst humans, a terrible president, con artist, fraud and complete asshole. All signs of his business disappear too. Gone…wiped out.

And it rubs off on the family for a generation or two.

Yep, that would be a mental life sentence for an egomaniac like Trump.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:39:15pm

God, he can’t even do a Congressional baseball game message right.

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Cheechako  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:39:16pm

re: #74 MsJ

Only after the republican held Senate votes to impeach.

Yes. And it takes a two thirds vote so it will take a combination of Republicans and Democrats to convict.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:39:20pm

What a fucking douchenozzle.

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EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:39:37pm

re: #72 majii

There’s nothing in the Constitution that allows an American president to be convicted for having committed a crime while in office except via the process of impeachment. My understanding is that a sitting American president can be indicted for a crime s/he committed before s/he entered office. Case in point is the Trump University case that Trump tried and failed to get dismissed after he was sworn in. To make the case go away, Trump ended up paying the plaintiffs $25 million.

There is also nothing in the constitution that puts the president above the law except for impeachment.

To pick a not entirely hypothetical example, suppose tr*mp really does just shoot someone for the hell of it. IMO he could be arrested and tried just like any other similarly situated perp, whether or not Congress ever does anything.

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majii  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:40:05pm

re: #42 freetoken

“So, what’s the odds that Trump issues a pardon for Kushner, before there is even a conviction?”

A president cannot pardon an individual until s/he has been convicted of a crime. Article II of the Constitution contains no language that grants an American president the power to grant a person a pardon before s/he is convicted. IOW, a pardon is granted only after someone has actually been convicted for having committed a crime. Pres. Clinton pardoned Marc Rich, but he only did it after Rich had been convicted.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:40:37pm

re: #78 ObserverArt

One of the biggest sentences that would affect Trump, should it come to that, is a complete trashing of his own name. Where “Trump” becomes a national joke and he is known as one of histories worst humans, a terrible president, con artist, fraud and complete asshole. All signs of his business disappear too. Gone…wiped out.

And it rubs off on the family for a generation or two.

Yep, that would be a mental life sentence for an egomaniac like Trump.

I hope and pray that this comes to fruition. And that no one anywhere on earth will do business with anything or anyone who is Trump.

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freetoken  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:41:36pm

If I understand these things correctly, and I am not sure I do, isn’t the problem inherent in our government that the man and the office cannot be separate while the man is in office?

That is, in the US Republic, the President is both the chief executive and the head of state. The person as President. In a constitutional monarchy like the UK the head of the nation is the Queen, quite separate from the politician who is the head of the government. The latter is easily replaced, the former not so.

As the President, the person, is the head of state, to try him would be the same thing as trying the state, no?

Which is why the man has to be removed from the position of being the head of state, so he can be tried as himself, and not the state.

That, anyway, is how I justify the absurdity of the now-outdated US Constitution.

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sagehen  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:41:56pm

re: #83 majii

A president cannot pardon an individual until s/he has been convicted of a crime. Article II of the Constitution contains no language that grants an American president the power to grant a person a pardon before s/he is convicted. IOW, a pardon is granted only after someone has actually been convicted for having committed a crime. Pres. Clinton pardoned Marc Rich, but he only did it after Rich had been convicted.

Not true.

Nixon’s pardon was before he ever stood trial.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:42:32pm

re: #74 MsJ

Only after the republican held Senate votes to impeach.

And a supermajority at that to convict.

I don’t think the GOP even has an endgame. It will only get worse and worse until the dam of anger and resentment against him and them finally blows sky high.

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EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:42:46pm

re: #84 MsJ

I hope and pray that this comes to fruition. And that no one anywhere on earth will do business with anything or anyone who is Trump.

It won’t happen because most/all of the rest of the family are assholes just like donald tr*mp, but everyone else in that family seeking a name change after the tr*mp presidency* crashes and burns would be glorious.

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ObserverArt  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:43:36pm

re: #75 wrenchwench

I just did my first test ride with my new helmet on.

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Maybe then I’ll get the expected stares and shrieks. None today (8 block ride).

Nice wrench.

What material is that? Sort of looks like a real dense foam with a some kind of a soft finish.

And, is that the same Bell that makes auto racing helmets?

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freetoken  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:44:31pm

re: #86 sagehen

Not true.

Nixon’s pardon was before he ever stood trial.

See, that’s what I was thinking.

The “reprieve” language seems sufficiently vague that it allows a President to ensure that someone who is/may face charges can be prophylactically “reprieved.”

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EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:45:38pm

re: #90 freetoken

See, that’s what I was thinking.

The “reprieve” language seems sufficiently vague that it allows a President to ensure that someone who is/may face charges can be prophylactically “reprieved.”

If tr*mp tries that for himself, that might finally be too much for Congressional Republicans.

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wrenchwench  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:47:01pm

re: #89 ObserverArt

Nice wrench.

What material is that? Sort of looks like a real dense foam with a some kind of a soft finish.

And, is that the same Bell that makes auto racing helmets?

The outside is plastic with a matte finish (makes it look soft). The shock-absorbing material inside is styrofoam, as it is for almost all helmets so far. Same Bell helmet company as for motorsports.

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freetoken  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:47:05pm

Note too the precedence of the Confederates.

There were a few rounds of pardons.

But the big one gave pardons so broadly that nowhere could all of them have already been tried, much less convicted, of taking up arms against the US.

By given the Confederates pardons, the entire criminal possibility was simply nullified.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:47:41pm

re: #83 majii

“So, what’s the odds that Trump issues a pardon for Kushner, before there is even a conviction?”

A president cannot pardon an individual until s/he has been convicted of a crime. Article II of the Constitution contains no language that grants an American president the power to grant a person a pardon before s/he is convicted. IOW, a pardon is granted only after someone has actually been convicted for having committed a crime. Pres. Clinton pardoned Marc Rich, but he only did it after Rich had been convicted.

I may be remembering it wrong, but Ford issued an absolute pardon to Nixon for any and all offenses against the United States… and there was no conviction.

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Interesting Times  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:48:23pm

Awk-ward:

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Myron Falwell  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:49:02pm

re: #91 EPR-radar

If tr*mp tries that for himself, that might finally be too much for Congressional Republicans.

As we’ve seen thus far, nothing is “too much.” Trump could castrate Ryan with a rusted scalpel and they’d all be ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ because his planned elimination of all taxes for the top 1%.

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majii  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:49:47pm

re: #47 MsJ

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sagehen  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:50:13pm

re: #93 freetoken

Note too the precedence of the Confederates.

There were a few rounds of pardons.

But the big one gave pardons so broadly that nowhere could all of them have already been tried, much less convicted, of taking up arms against the US.

By given the Confederates pardons, the entire criminal possibility was simply nullified.

Was it Ford or Carter who pardoned all the Vietnam draft dodgers? (not listed by name; just “all of them. anyone who could otherwise be charged with this offense”.)

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EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:50:53pm

re: #85 freetoken

If I understand these things correctly, and I am not sure I do, isn’t the problem inherent in our government that the man and the office cannot be separate while the man is in office?

That is, in the US Republic, the President is both the chief executive and the head of state. The person as President. In a constitutional monarchy like the UK the head of the nation is the Queen, quite separate from the politician who is the head of the government. The latter is easily replaced, the former not so.

As the President, the person, is the head of state, to try him would be the same thing as trying the state, no?

Which is why the man has to be removed from the position of being the head of state, so he can be tried as himself, and not the state.

That, anyway, is how I justify the absurdity of the now-outdated US Constitution.

This kind of reasoning may be applicable in cases where the alleged crimes were performed by state actors under orders from the president (e.g., alleged war crimes of W Bush). There it is reasonably clear that there is no way to distinguish the personal and political, leaving impeachment first as the only possible remedy.

In the case of potus* tr*mp hypothetically shooting someone for no reason, I sure hope he would be arrested and tried precisely as usual for such crimes, without his office being relevant in any way whatsoever.

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freetoken  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:50:55pm

re: #98 sagehen

Ford.

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wrenchwench  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:51:37pm

re: #93 freetoken

Note too the precedence of the Confederates.

There were a few rounds of pardons.

But the big one gave pardons so broadly that nowhere could all of them have already been tried, much less convicted, of taking up arms against the US.

By given the Confederates pardons, the entire criminal possibility was simply nullified.

It’s difficult to judge from distant hindsight, but I think the North went too easy on the South in an attempt to unify the country.

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ObserverArt  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:53:09pm

re: #92 wrenchwench

The outside is plastic with a matte finish (makes it look soft). The shock-absorbing material inside is styrofoam, as it is for almost all helmets so far. Same Bell helmet company as for motorsports.

Bell makes good stuff. In their auto racing helmets they actually layer the foam into different densities for differing absorption of a hit and protection.

Happy riding!

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allegro  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:53:34pm

re: #72 majii

“Where in the Constitution does it say the President cannot be convicted of a crime if shown to have committed one?”

There’s nothing in the Constitution that allows an American president to be convicted for having committed a crime while in office except via the process of impeachment. My understanding is that a sitting American president can be indicted for a crime s/he committed before s/he entered office. Case in point is the Trump University case that Trump tried and failed to get dismissed after he was sworn in. To make the case go away, Trump ended up paying the plaintiffs $25 million.

So he can be prosecuted and convicted of money laundering, etc. If the president is in jail and the GOP Congress still refuses to impeach… holy moly this gets weird don’t it.

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Cheechako  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:53:47pm

With all the political maneuvering and investigations going on, it wouldn’t surprise me that trump is impeached and subsequently removed on the obstruction of justice charges followed, after he leaves office, by money laundering and other related charges. This would eliminate any possibility of trump pardoning himself or others. I don’t think Pence would pardon trump just because what Pence stands for.

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TedStriker  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:53:50pm

re: #89 ObserverArt

Nice wrench.

What material is that? Sort of looks like a real dense foam with a some kind of a soft finish.

And, is that the same Bell that makes auto racing helmets?

Bell’s made bike helmets for a long time.

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EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:54:07pm

re: #101 wrenchwench

It’s difficult to judge from distant hindsight, but I think the North went too easy on the South in an attempt to unify the country.

It’s easy to see that the Confederates won the peace after the civil war. It’s much more difficult to see how that could have been prevented. tr*mp’s election in 2016 is part of that story, over 150 years after the end of the civil war.

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freetoken  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:55:02pm

re: #101 wrenchwench

It’s difficult to judge from distant hindsight, but I think the North went too easy on the South in an attempt to unify the country.

I have now convinced myself that Johnson and Grant was too quick to set aside what needed to be done: to redivide the South along new legal boundaries, to dissolve the Confederate states, and set up new States with new constitutions and borders (thus de-linking old political connections.)

Johnson I think was the weak one.

But then again Grant saw much death and destruction, so he was probably predisposed to get over as quickly as possible whatever needed to be done.

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EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:56:22pm

re: #104 Cheechako

With all the political maneuvering and investigations going on, it wouldn’t surprise me that trump is impeached and subsequently removed on the obstruction of justice charges followed, after he leaves office, by money laundering and other related charges. This would eliminate any possibility of trump pardoning himself or others. I don’t think Pence would pardon trump just because what Pence stands for.

My fondest wish in all of this is that following the money ends up scuppering tr*mp’s various tax evasion schemes, leaving him with enormous tax liabilities due that wouldn’t have happened if he’d lost the election.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:57:33pm

Ford’s pre-emptive pardon of Nixon for any and all crimes against the United States did not pardon him of any state charges (there were none, however, to pardon).

A hypothetical pardon of Trump for a similar reason would not protect him from New York going after him for state charges there.

Back from the store. In my capacity as vice-mayor I had to take care of a few vices: coffee, cigarettes, snacks, booze, lotto tickets. I’m good now. (::

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ObserverArt  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:58:05pm

re: #95 Interesting Times

Awk-ward:

LZ Granderson ✔ @Locs_n_Laughs
Crystal Griner risked her life to save @SteveScalise. She was comforted in the hospital by her wife. Scalise is against same sex marriage.
8:49 AM - 15 Jun 2017
3,772 3,772 Retweets 6,574 6,574 likes

I noted yesterday that she was African American. This really adds some nice texture to the story. Lots of lessons in yesterdays scary shooting and the aftermath.

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majii  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:58:09pm

re: #59 Myron Falwell

“He might just throw Trump overboard for the heck of it.”

I’ve followed Pence’s political career for years, and there are a few things I’ve concluded about Pence, the man and the politician. First, Pence is an opportunist and tends to act not based on any hard principles he possesses but on things that further his RW political career. Second, although he presents himself as a being one of the bestest Christians, it appears to me that for him, Christianity is a tool he uses to advance his career, and he is what I call a “selective Christian,” which is someone who ignores the parts of Christianity that deal with not bearing false witness and caring about the poor, the elderly, the needy, and the sick. In addition to ignoring these individuals, he seems to totally ignore the fact that Jesus didn’t embrace an exclusionary policy when it comes to dealing with others.

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Interesting Times  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:58:32pm

Ha:

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sagehen  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:59:41pm

re: #107 freetoken

I have now convinced myself that Johnson and Grant was too quick to set aside what needed to be done: to redivide the South along new legal boundaries, to dissolve the Confederate states, and set up new States with new constitutions and borders (thus de-linking old political connections.)

Johnson I think was the weak one.

But then again Grant saw much death and destruction, so he was probably predisposed to get over as quickly as possible whatever needed to be done.

Johnson more than Grant.

Grant was the one who re-invaded the South to take on the KKK, and to enforce the 1875 Civil Rights Act. Had some pretty good success with it, too… that’s why the South was so determined to end Reconstruction. (and the Republicans betrayed him and Lincoln when they made the corrupt bargain around the 1876 election — Florida’s electoral votes were up in the air, and party bosses negotiated that they’d let R-Hayes have it if he’d agree to remove federal troops and not enforce that CRA. D-Tilden was happy enough to lose the white house, since they were getting everything they’d wanted to use it for.)

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 4:59:46pm

re: #91 EPR-radar

If tr*mp tries that for himself, that might finally be too much for Congressional Republicans.

Is anything EVER too much for the GOP?

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:00:06pm

re: #86 sagehen

Not true.

Nixon’s pardon was before he ever stood trial.

One key difference there however is that Nixon never worked under Ford, so there was zero possibility that Ford was pardoning Nixon for a crime that Ford himself had ordered or was otherwise implicated in. That, I think, will be the limiting factor on any pardons Trump tries to issue to his underlings, that they were signed with unclean hands and thus an illegal abuse of power.

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Cheechako  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:00:52pm

re: #108 EPR-radar

My fondest wish in all of this is that following the money ends up scuppering tr*mp’s various tax evasion schemes, leaving him with enormous tax liabilities due that wouldn’t have happened if he’d lost the election.

I want trump, the sons, daughter, and son-in-law to get significant jail time.

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Skip Intro  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:01:00pm

re: #114 MsJ

Is anything EVER too much for the GOP?

Gun control and raising taxes would do it.

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majii  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:01:14pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

“heh”

I also noticed something new when Trump and Melania exited AF1: They were holding hands. I couldn’t help but wonder whether it was because Barron was with them, so heh was the way I responded to the pic.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:02:48pm

re: #95 Interesting Times

Awk-ward:

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Not even that will ever change his mind. Sad.

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Interesting Times  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:05:41pm

That’s an interesting new term to describe what Twitter’s become…

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Brian J.  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:05:54pm

re: #93 freetoken

Note too the precedence of the Confederates.

There were a few rounds of pardons.

But the big one gave pardons so broadly that nowhere could all of them have already been tried, much less convicted, of taking up arms against the US.

By given the Confederates pardons, the entire criminal possibility was simply nullified.

The Union’s biggest mistake. Lee, Davis, and their underlings should have had a long drop and a sudden stop to discourage future Southerners. Sic semper traditores.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:06:23pm

What the hell is up with twitter? It looks like 2009.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:06:40pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:08:06pm

re: #105 TedStriker

Bell’s made bike helmets for a long time.

I thought they did. But if I remember correctly, there are either different versions of the company or very separate divisions.

They were a supplier for the company I worked for as far as auto racing helmets that we sold, and I think all I ever saw was all their literature on auto racing stuff. Where we called for product was auto racing manufacturing.

They were always semi-hard to get because they never made too many due to ongoing technology and the fact the helmets had to be changed out after a number of years due to rules for life of safety equipment. So you didn’t want to be selling a year older more helmet that has a five year use span. Suddenly the buyer loses time to use it.

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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:08:08pm

re: #75 wrenchwench

Warms my heart to know you’re riding bicycles again!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:08:56pm

So who are these people who think Trump doesn’t respect our institutions but support him anyway?

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EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:09:44pm

re: #113 sagehen

Johnson more than Grant.

Grant was the one who re-invaded the South to take on the KKK, and to enforce the 1875 Civil Rights Act. Had some pretty good success with it, too… that’s why the South was so determined to end Reconstruction. (and the Republicans betrayed him and Lincoln when they made the corrupt bargain around the 1876 election — Florida’s electoral votes were up in the air, and party bosses negotiated that they’d let R-Hayes have it if he’d agree to remove federal troops and not enforce that CRA. D-Tilden was happy enough to lose the white house, since they were getting everything they’d wanted to use it for.)

One really depressing thought in all of this is how long a military occupation of the Confederacy would have had to last if the exit condition for the troops was honest and widespread public support for civil rights and a de-Confederatization of Southern elites. A century of occupation seems like the bare minimum.

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Interesting Times  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:09:58pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

So who are these people who think Trump doesn’t respect our institutions but support him anyway?

Simple: bannon-lites who love the fact those institutions are being destroyed.

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covfefe  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:09:59pm

re: #41 Anymouse

When the trial starts, Donny “No Knows”.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:10:05pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

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Indeed, don’t tell me that the 2nd amendment exists for tyrants and then act aghast if someone shoots government officials. Not justifying yesterday’s shooting at all by any means but right wing rhetoric has definitely rationalized shooting at federal officials if one feels they are being tyrannical.

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majii  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:10:30pm

re: #81 MsJ

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EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:13:31pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

Indeed, don’t tell me that the 2nd amendment exists for tyrants and then act aghast if someone shoots government officials. Not justifying yesterday’s shooting at all by any means but right wing rhetoric has definitely rationalized shooting at federal officials if one feels they are being tyrannical.

What the fuck else should these RWNJs expect? Republicans ensure that the country is hip-deep in guns, so that every nut job with a grievance has a constitutional right to be a heavily armed nut job with a grievance. Then they fuck everything up six ways from Sunday, thereby making a lot more people have grievances. No justification, but do the damn math.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:15:12pm

I see that one of the Capitol Hill officers that sprung into action yesterday was a lesbian. Maybe just maybe you’d think that Republicans would stop hanging out with religious zealots that view LGBT citizens as being unworthy of rights and respect but nah. I am glad they’re going to be okay but I really hope that’s something they think about.

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majii  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:15:51pm

re: #86 sagehen

Nixon’s pardon was before he ever stood trial.

Nixon’s situation was what I consider to have been a special case because he was set to be impeached, resigned, and was later pardoned by Ford. If he had resisted resigning, he most likely would have been impeached, and Ford probably would have pardoned him anyway, using the reason “to heal the nation.” Nixon had left the presidency before he was pardoned.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:18:31pm

re: #75 wrenchwench

I just did my first test ride with my new helmet on.

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Maybe then I’ll get the expected stares and shrieks. None today (8 block ride).

You have come so far since your injuries. Congratulations.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:18:58pm

re: #81 MsJ

What a fucking douchenozzle.

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Harvey is steadily climbing up the ranks of “biggest embarrassment to come from Cleveland” ranking. Still a long way to go to top Darrell Issa and Chief Wahoo, though.

And that was reprehensible.

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majii  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:20:41pm

re: #107 freetoken

“Johnson I think was the weak one.”

According to historians, Johnson was a ”confederate sympathizer,” and he showed it when he mentioned that white men should be in control of the reconstruction of the South.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:21:06pm

Wrenchwench: Your bicycle gear looks vaguely like you’re trying to dress as one of the biker stormtroopoers from Star Wars.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:21:39pm

re: #137 majii

“Johnson I think was the weak one.”

According to historians, Johnson was a ”confederate sympathizer,” and he showed it when he mentioned that white men should be in control of the reconstruction of the South.

Johnson, my understanding hated the Southern white elites but felt a lot of sympathy for the poorer whites.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:21:55pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

I see that one of the Capitol Hill officers that sprung into action yesterday was a lesbian. Maybe just maybe you’d think that Republicans would stop hanging out with religious zealots that view LGBT citizens as being unworthy of rights and respect but nah. I am glad they’re going to be okay but I really hope that’s something they think about.

You’re kidding, right?
/

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allegro  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:22:05pm

re: #132 EPR-radar

What the fuck else should these RWNJs expect? Republicans ensure that the country is hip-deep in guns, so that every nut job with a grievance has a constitutional right to be a heavily armed nut job with a grievance. Then they fuck everything up six ways from Sunday, thereby making a lot more people have grievances. No justification, but do the damn math.

A phrase that keeps popping into my head today is “hoist on his own petard.” I think I have never seen such a direct application of it as yesterday’s shooting.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:22:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:23:27pm

re: #140 Ace Rothstein

You’re kidding, right?
/

Of course I am.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:24:05pm

re: #142 Unshaken Defiance

Putin sarcastically offers Comey asylum in Russia, disparaging U.S. “political infighting”

When is it cool to hate to Russian President again?

You know Trump said they were laughing at us under Obama but it’s clear to me that Putin is laughing himself silly over us under Trump.

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EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:25:21pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

You know Trump said they were laughing at us under Obama but it’s clear to me that Putin is laughing himself silly over us under Trump.

Putin and everyone else in the world.

POTUS* Fuckface von Clownstick. What a sick joke.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:26:02pm

re: #145 EPR-radar

Putin and everyone else in the world.

POTUS* Fuckface von Clownstick. What a sick joke.

Even when I was a kid when he would make cameos in movies, I thought he was an obnoxious joke.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:26:12pm

re: #142 Unshaken Defiance

Putin sarcastically offers Comey asylum in Russia, disparaging U.S. “political infighting”

When is it cool to hate to Russian President again?

Putin can go fuck himself with a rusty spork and I don’t give a damn what shit he has on me. Meddlesome, power-hungry asshole.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:27:02pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

You know Trump said they were laughing at us under Obama but it’s clear to me that Putin is laughing himself silly over us under Trump.

When Obama was in charge Putin laughed. A very nervous laugh, especially as sanctions bit and his revenue declined over American oil and gas production. Now it’s straight out glee.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:27:25pm

re: #148 Unshaken Defiance

When Obama was in charge Putin laughed. A very nervous laugh, especially as sanctions bit and his revenue declined over American oil and gas production. Now it’s straight out glee.

I don’t know, I tend to think more maniacal evil-overlord laughter.

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Interesting Times  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:28:19pm

What. The. Everloving. Fuck:

So by this logic, were the baseball shooter’s actions simply a character-building exercise? o_O

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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:28:29pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:29:05pm

re: #151 teleskiguy

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That’s got to be every inch of almost 20’ tall. That’s a limb-breaker if you miss.

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EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:29:08pm

re: #121 Brian J.

The Union’s biggest mistake. Lee, Davis, and their underlings should have had a long drop and a sudden stop to discourage future Southerners. Sic semper traditores.

The Confederacy won the peace after the civil war because confederate racists cared much more about implementing their racism than unionists cared about ending racism. Hanging a few traitors would have changed nothing, no matter how well-justified that may have been.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:29:14pm

My browser crashed and took up all the free memory in my computer. It wasn’t caused by LGF (I was looking up something in another tab and that Website had some sort of bad script.)

Does LGF support some sort of emoji list?

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majii  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:29:25pm

re: #141 allegro

“A phrase that keeps popping into my head today is “hoist on his own petard.” I think I have never seen such a direct application of it as yesterday’s shooting.”

THIS right here is why although I wish Rep. Scalise a speedy recovery, I cannot find it within myself to forget how many GOPers in Congress have had little/no sympathy for others who have died after some person opened fire on them in public spaces. I just can’t feel sorry for the terror they experienced yesterday. I hate it happened, but I also feel they’ve played an integral role in what happened to them at that baseball field.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:29:55pm

re: #149 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I don’t know, I tend to think more maniacal evil-overlord laughter.

Love to see the investigation name Putin as the offshore guilty party. See how sanction votes go then

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HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:30:38pm

re: #150 Interesting Times

What. The. Everloving. Fuck:

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So by this logic, were the baseball shooter’s actions simply a character-building exercise? o_O

What the fuck.

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majii  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:31:24pm

re: #142 Unshaken Defiance

“When is it cool to hate to Russian President again?”

Based on my observations, for some Americans, including Trump, it won’t happen any time soon. Trump is still on record as not believing the Russian government interfered in last year’s presidential election.

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EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:31:44pm

re: #156 Unshaken Defiance

Love to see the investigation name Putin as the offshore guilty party. See how sanction votes go then

We’ve already had a good sanctions vote in the Senate. It will be interesting to see what the House does with it.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:32:07pm

re: #149 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I don’t know, I tend to think more maniacal evil-overlord laughter.

He’s the victorious Generic Evil Guy from any secret agent film, only he rewrote the ending to the film to fulfill his wildest dreams.

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allegro  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:32:51pm

re: #155 majii

“A phrase that keeps popping into my head today is “hoist on his own petard.” I think I have never seen such a direct application of it as yesterday’s shooting.”

THIS right here is why although I wish Rep. Scalise a speedy recovery, I cannot find it within myself to forget how many GOPers in Congress have had little/no sympathy for others who have died after some person opened fire on them in public spaces. I just can’t feel sorry for the terror they experienced yesterday. I hate it happened, but I also feel they’ve played an integral role in what happened to them at that baseball field.

Agree. I was trying to find a smidgen of sympathy yesterday but failed for this very reason.

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EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:33:09pm

re: #150 Interesting Times

Even the never-tr*mp Republicans are all batshit crazy. Being batshit crazy is a requirement for being a Republican these days.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:33:50pm

re: #150 Interesting Times

What. The. Everloving. Fuck:

[Embedded content]

So by this logic, were the baseball shooter’s actions simply a character-building exercise? o_O

Heh. For those who think Sasse is a “sensible Republican,” he’s only a “Good Republican.”

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majii  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:34:36pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

“You know Trump said they were laughing at us under Obama but it’s clear to me that Putin is laughing himself silly over us under Trump.”

According to a post I read at Addicting Info earlier today, Australian PM Turnbull is also having a great time laughing at the Orange One.
addictinginfo.com

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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:34:48pm

re: #152 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That’s got to be every inch of almost 20’ tall. That’s a limb-breaker if you miss.

The transition (the end of the jump to the much steeper landing, the flat part to the right of me) was at least a hundred feet. I remember watching Matchstick Productions do their film segment, they had to tow skiers into the jump with snowmobiles going 60 m.p.h.

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EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:35:01pm

re: #161 allegro

Agree. I was trying to find a smidgen of sympathy yesterday but failed for this very reason.

My reason for failing to find any sympathy is the certainty that this incident (like all other incidents, past, present and future) will not lead to anything sensible on guns in the US.

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BlueGrl21  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:35:43pm

re: #141 allegro

A phrase that keeps popping into my head today is “hoist on his own petard.

Mine is “the law of unintended consequences.”

Before this, with rare exceptions (Gabby Giffords), the gun problems were far away. They honor our officers with speeches on the House floor and bemoan the “attack on the 2nd Amendment,” but it’s not REAL to them. It’s platitudes and optics.

Well, now one of YOU was on the receiving end of a rifle, in YOUR safe place. Shit just got real.

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EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:36:38pm

re: #165 teleskiguy

The transition (the end of the jump to the much steeper landing, the flat part to the right of me) was at least a hundred feet. I remember watching Matchstick Productions do their film segment, they had to tow skiers into the jump with snowmobiles going 60 m.p.h.

The name ‘Matchstick Productions’ gives me the willies in this context — as in your bones will be in matchstick size fragments if this goes poorly.

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EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:38:09pm

re: #167 BlueGrl21

Mine is “the law of unintended consequences.”

Before this, with rare exceptions (Gabby Giffords), the gun problems were far away. We honor our officers with speeches on the House floor and bemoan the “attack on the 2nd Amendment,” but it’s not REAL to them. It’s platitudes and optics.

Well, now one of YOU was on the receiving end of a rifle, in YOUR safe place. Shit just got real.

It’s not like anything useful will happen. If enough Republicans get shot at, they will just start confiscating guns from liberals and non-white people.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:38:22pm

re: #165 teleskiguy

The transition (the end of the jump to the much steeper landing, the flat part to the right of me) was at least a hundred feet. I remember watching Matchstick Productions do their film segment, they had to tow skiers into the jump with snowmobiles going 60 m.p.h.

There are a few daring sports I genuinely don’t get. Snowmobiles running open water is one. Ski jumping is another. I have a hard enough just going down the bunny hill without dying.

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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:38:29pm

re: #168 EPR-radar

The name ‘Matchstick Productions’ gives me the willies in this context — as in your bones will be in matchstick size fragments if this goes poorly.

No one got hurt that winter when they built it! They built it out of the halfpipe snow after the ski area closed. It was a closed course for three days during filming.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:38:43pm

I do feel sympathy but at the same time wonder where they were beyond mere thoughts and prayers when other shootings happened.

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majii  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:39:52pm

re: #167 BlueGrl21

“Shit just got real.”

EXACTLY. It’s sad for me to see that for some of our politicians, sh*t has to get personal before they understand what others are dealing with.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:40:29pm

re: #150 Interesting Times

Ben Sasse (my senator) is only a compassionate guy in comparison to the rest of the GOP caucus. He is still a Republican.

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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:40:36pm

re: #170 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

There are a few daring sports I genuinely don’t get. Snowmobiles running open water is one. Ski jumping is another. I have a hard enough just going down the bunny hill without dying.

Skiing is fun. Here’s me about to do a tricky line at Arapahoe Basin a couple of years ago.

Instagram

Looking down Snorkel at @ArapahoeBasin. @WagnerCustom

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HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:41:07pm

re: #173 majii

“Shit just got real.”

EXACTLY. It’s sad for me to see that for some of our politicians, sh*t has to get personal before they understand what others are dealing with.

Which quite honestly happens way too much with Republicans.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:42:30pm

One of the Reps was quoted as saying he didn’t feel he could go near a baseball field again without thinking about the shooting and I get that feeling, trauma is powerful but where was this for those kids that got shot in Sandy Hook? Why did they do nothing on guns after that? Why did some of them stay silent or even agree with those who mocked Obama when he shed tears for the kids of Sandy Hook?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:42:56pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

Which quite honestly happens way too much with Republicans.

See also Dick Cheney and Rob Portman with their children.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:42:59pm

re: #169 EPR-radar

It’s not like anything useful will happen. If enough Republicans get shot at, they will just start confiscating guns from liberals and non-white people.

The NRA owns the Republican Party. Whatever the NRA wants, the NRA gets.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:43:18pm

re: #178 Anymouse 🌹

See also Dick Cheney and Rob Portman with their children.

Yes.

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BlueGrl21  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:43:57pm

re: #169 EPR-radar

It’s not like anything useful will happen. If enough Republicans get shot at, they will just start confiscating guns from liberals and non-white people.

I don’t know what will happen, not concerned at this moment. I’m letting the churning die down, as well as my own Schadenfreude. The good part of me wants to be above it all and focused on sensible gun control. The snarky redhead in me wants to point and say, “Told you so, you morons! Karma’s a bitch!”

That would be tacky but I won’t lie and say the impulse ain’t there.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:43:58pm

re: #179 Myron Falwell

The NRA owns the Republican Party. Whatever the NRA wants, the NRA gets.

They do and they stopped being about gun ownership a long time ago and instead started being about selling as much firearms as possible. What was once a respectable organization is no more.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:44:52pm

re: #167 BlueGrl21

Mine is “the law of unintended consequences.”

Before this, with rare exceptions (Gabby Giffords), the gun problems were far away. They honor our officers with speeches on the House floor and bemoan the “attack on the 2nd Amendment,” but it’s not REAL to them. It’s platitudes and optics.

Well, now one of YOU was on the receiving end of a rifle, in YOUR safe place. Shit just got real.

I was concerned about the problem of gun violence for a long time before someone pointed a loaded rifle right at my chest. (It didn’t take a good guy with a gun to end it, it took me talking the guy down and getting him to hand over the rifle to me.)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:45:10pm

And then there are people like fucking Hannity who go to the fucking baseball field and demand that Rothenstein and Mueller be fired. Sorry, the tragedy yesterday doesn’t change the fact that Trump should be investigated no matter how much Lumpy wants it to be a Reichstag Fire moment.

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EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:45:42pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

Which quite honestly happens way too much with Republicans.

True, but that’s giving them too much credit in this case. So far the only GOP proposal I’ve seen in response to the Scalese shooting is for members of Congress to be able to carry in DC, which is stupid even for an idiotic Republican proposal from a bone-headed GOP official.

I’ll believe the GOP position on guns everywhere, at all times, and especially in the hands of the violent has changed when I see the GOP supporting appropriate federal legislation, and not before.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:46:23pm

re: #182 HappyWarrior

They do and they stopped being about gun ownership a long time ago and instead started being about selling as much firearms as possible. What was once a respectable organization is no more.

I’m still in favour of taking the NRA’s own gun safety recommendations and passing them into law, with legal penalties for failure to comply with them.

Let’s see both the GOP and NRA twist up into knots over that.

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majii  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:46:38pm

re: #177 HappyWarrior

“Why did some of them stay silent or even agree with those who mocked Obama when he shed tears for the kids of Sandy Hook?”

Another question I have for them: Why was their first reaction to PBO to accuse him of politicizing the mass shootings that occurred during his presidency instead of refusing to do anything about them?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:46:52pm

re: #185 EPR-radar

True, but that’s giving them too much credit in this case. So far the only GOP proposal I’ve seen in response to the Scalese shooting is for members of Congress to be able to carry in DC, which is stupid even for an idiotic Republican proposal from a bone-headed GOP official.

I’ll believe the GOP position on guns everywhere, at all times, and especially in the hands of the violent has changed when I see the GOP supporting appropriate federal legislation, and not before.

Open carry wouldn’t have stopped this and they were in a state with very liberal open carry laws.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:47:13pm

re: #187 majii

“Why did some of them stay silent or even agree with those who mocked Obama when he shed tears for the kids of Sandy Hook?”

Another question I have for them: Why was their first reaction to PBO to accuse him of politicizing the mass shootings that occurred during his presidency instead of refusing to do anything about them?

Exactly and with that I’m out for th evening guys.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:47:18pm

re: #182 HappyWarrior

They do and they stopped being about gun ownership a long time ago and instead started being about selling as much firearms as possible. What was once a respectable organization is no more.

Exactly right. Confiscation of firearms based solely on party affiliation or race means less gun sales revenue. They’ll kill such an idea before it ever is considered.

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allegro  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:48:10pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

I do feel sympathy but at the same time wonder where they were beyond mere thoughts and prayers when other shootings happened.

They were being further complicit in not just enabling but promoting and advancing the gun culture to put military grade weapons in any hands that can grab them. These aren’t passive bystanders.

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BlueGrl21  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:48:14pm

re: #183 Anymouse 🌹

I was concerned about the problem of gun violence for a long time before someone pointed a loaded rifle right at my chest. (It didn’t take a good guy with a gun to end it, it took me talking the guy down and getting him to hand over the rifle to me.)

Yeah, I had a dad with mental health and violence issues and alcohol love tied to a loaded gun. Stepped in front of him and my mom and brother too many times. It was real for me at 8 years old. So my sympathy is not the best for people who fight to make sure my dad gets his gun. Nope. Just not feeling that right now.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:48:46pm

re: #188 HappyWarrior

Open carry wouldn’t have stopped this and they were in a state with very liberal open carry laws.

Yup. It was professionally-trained people (the Capitol Police) that stopped the would-be assassin, not a good guy with a gun.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:50:22pm

re: #186 Anymouse 🌹

I’m still in favour of taking the NRA’s own gun safety recommendations and passing them into law, with legal penalties for failure to comply with them.

Let’s see both the GOP and NRA twist up into knots over that.

The NRA has gun safety recommendations? LOLWUT?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:50:41pm

re: #192 BlueGrl21

Yeah, I had a dad with mental health and violence issues and alcohol love tied to a loaded gun. Stepped in front of him and my mom and brother too many times. It was real for me at 8 years old. So my sympathy is not the best for people who fight to make sure my dad gets his gun. Nope. Just not feeling that right now.

In my case it was a suicidal roommate. I discovered him with a rifle trying to build up the courage to do the deed. I didn’t even know he owned a rifle. He immediately swung it in the direction of my chest.

That was the longest fifteen minutes of my life: They lasted about a century.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:51:55pm

re: #194 Myron Falwell

The NRA has gun safety recommendations? LOLWUT?

Yup, right under the picture of the guy with a bunch of tacticool gear on a rifle:

gunsafetyrules.nra.org

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:52:22pm

re: #196 Anymouse 🌹

Yup, right under the picture of the guy with a bunch of tacticool gear on a rifle:

gunsafetyrules.nra.org

Your use of “tacticool” leads me to my all-time-favorite derogatory phrase: Mall ninja.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:52:56pm

re: #151 teleskiguy

Once upon a time I rode my bicycle off one of those piles of dirt they use to make pitchers’ mounds. (They smooth out the fields for football and then build up the mounds in the spring.) I went flying into the air when it occurred to me I hadn’t thought about a place to land. Fortunately the bicycle acted as its own crumple zone and took the worst of the impact.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:53:19pm

re: #194 Myron Falwell

The NRA has gun safety recommendations? LOLWUT?

Believe it or not, the NRA actually does preach relatively sane and rational practices for the keeping and handling of firearms. The problem is, they really don’t give a fuck if their members actually follow those practices. As long as GUNZ ARE FREE!!!!!

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EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:53:21pm

re: #195 Anymouse 🌹

In my case it was a suicidal roommate. I discovered him with a rifle trying to build up the courage to do the deed. I didn’t even know he owned a rifle. He immediately swung it in the direction of my chest.

That was the longest fifteen minutes of my life: They lasted about a century.

What’s the problem here? He was just exercising his second amendment rights. You should have also been carrying, so you could blow him away when he became a threat to you.

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EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:54:13pm

re: #197 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Your use of “tacticool” leads me to my all-time-favorite derogatory phrase: Mall ninja.

101st chairborne is my personal favorite in this category.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:54:14pm

re: #159 EPR-radar

We’ve already had a good sanctions vote in the Senate. It will be interesting to see what the House does with it.

MOAR

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:54:43pm

re: #202 EPR-radar

101st chairborne is my personal favorite in this category.

Another good one, to be fair, but my predisposition to the martial arts wins out.

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EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:57:03pm

re: #200 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Believe it or not, the NRA actually does preach relatively sane and rational practices for the keeping and handling of firearms. The problem is, they really don’t give a fuck if their members actually follow those practices. As long as GUNZ ARE FREE!!!!!

They probably wrote those standards a century ago before they became collectively fucked in the head. Nobody since then has dared to write down that it’s a good idea to play with loaded guns as if they were toys and all the other real gun safety principles of today’s NRA.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:58:04pm

re: #95 Interesting Times

Awk-ward:

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I am praying for Steve Scalise.

I am praying that he has a “George Wallace” moment and changes his evil ways.

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BlueGrl21  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:58:04pm

re: #202 EPR-radar

101st chairborne is my personal favorite in this category.

Mine is “The Fighting Hellmice.” STILL cracks me up every time.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:58:13pm

re: #192 BlueGrl21

I had an uncle who suffered a traumatic brain injury in the line of duty. He managed to keep his service revolver but was unable to take care of himself. My aunt and cousin (who was born after the accident so he never really got to know her and vice versa) eventually had to live in hiding. My uncle still knew where we lived, and he would show up with his gun whenever he would get released from the institution. Somehow he kept cool enough and my father kept cool enough to avoid escalations, but we had a lot of white knuckle days.
BTW the responding policemen always seemed to feel that he needed to keep the weapon to protect himself since he lived on the streets.
EDIT - this was the early 80s. My uncle died of exposure about 4 years after his injury. The City of Philadelphia honored him years later with a plaque on the site of the accident, but tragedy persisted, and just before the ceremony another officer was murdered about 6 blocks from the site.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:58:52pm

re: #207 BlueGrl21

Mine is “The Fighting Hellmice.” STILL cracks me up every time.

LOL I never heard that one before. Consider it stolen.

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Mike Lamb  Jun 15, 2017 • 5:59:30pm

re: #199 Stanley Sea

Ooooh boy

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I’m becoming more and more convinced that when Trump rants about his “non-dealings” with Russia, he’s hiding behind a corporate shield:

“I personally have no deals with Russia, but my separate corporate entities do…”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:00:33pm

Oh man …

My wife just made air fryer salmon and beans with carrots and Vindaloo curry seasoning … you’ll have to excuse me for a few minutes while I go melt my taste buds.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:00:45pm

re: #211 Anymouse 🌹

Oh man …

My wife just made air fryer salmon and beans with carrots and Vindaloo curry seasoning … you’ll have to excuse me for a few minutes while I go melt my taste buds.

Air fryer?

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allegro  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:01:26pm

re: #210 Mike Lamb

I’m becoming more and more convinced that when Trump rants about his “non-dealings” with Russia, he’s hiding behind a corporate shield:

“I personally have no deals with Russia, but my separate corporate entities do…”

He’s just lying as he always does. Looks like he’s been hip-deep for years and the net is drawing in tighter every day.

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William Lewis  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:01:56pm

re: #190 Myron Falwell

Exactly right. Confiscation of firearms based solely on party affiliation or race means less gun sales revenue. They’ll kill such an idea before it ever is considered.

Not when the billionaires who control their money flow say otherwise. Besides they can use the fear of the banned “terrorists” (liberals, muslims, jews, etc) to drive still more sales. They might even do in the NFA so they can sell machine guns to the Meal Team 6.

Don’t think they will let the few guns we buy get in the way of the fear they use to keep their base under control.

The only thing that would change this is if that base starts dying from losing health care and actually blames the people actually responsible - then GOP fear will drive gun control to UK levels or more.

Power trumps money.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:02:22pm

re: #194 Myron Falwell

The NRA has gun safety recommendations? LOLWUT?

No organization has more safety and shooting/hunting classes with well qualified instructors than NRA. Tens of thousands of instructors. Technically, NRA is safety training and promotion of the sport, ILA is the lobbying wing. Few bother with the distinction.

As long as we have hunting and sport, we want those guys and ladies around.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:02:39pm

re: #200 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I learned in history class that the NRA was founded so that citizens would be able to shoot straight if there were another big war.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:03:19pm

re: #207 BlueGrl21

Mine is “The Fighting Hellmice.” STILL cracks me up every time.

I’m partial to “Meal Team Six”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:06:39pm

re: #216 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

I learned in history class that the NRA was founded so that citizens would be able to shoot straight if there were another big war.

I think basic training has that covered, but nevertheless, the NRA does serve a purpose in keeping hunting accidents at a lower rate than they otherwise would be. It’s just a guess, but outside the mall ninjas, I’d guess that the largest proportion of NRA members are hunters.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:08:25pm

re: #218 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I think basic training has that covered, but nevertheless, the NRA does serve a purpose in keeping hunting accidents at a lower rate than they otherwise would be. It’s just a guess, but outside the mall ninjas, I’d guess that the largest proportion of NRA members are hunters.

And few gun owners are ongoing members. Even those that took good classes. Edit and btw civilians don’t get basic training. They told me NRA came about after the civil war where marksmanship was abysmal overall.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:08:37pm

So Alex Jones and InfoWars just fucked Megyn Kelly and NBC by releasing their own tapes of Kelly’s heavily advertised Jones interview.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:08:57pm

re: #83 majii

“So, what’s the odds that Trump issues a pardon for Kushner, before there is even a conviction?”

A president cannot pardon an individual until s/he has been convicted of a crime. Article II of the Constitution contains no language that grants an American president the power to grant a person a pardon before s/he is convicted. IOW, a pardon is granted only after someone has actually been convicted for having committed a crime. Pres. Clinton pardoned Marc Rich, but he only did it after Rich had been convicted.

This isn’t completely true, as Richard Nixon was pardoned by Gerald Ford before any criminal charges were levied against him.

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makeitstop  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:09:13pm

re: #37 freetoken

But he will be pardoned before he’s out the door.

In that case, indict. With extreme prejudice.

EDIT: Just realized what I typed.

Pardon. Duh.

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meteor  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:09:26pm
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EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:09:53pm

re: #220 goddamnedfrank

Good. I hope Megan Kelly gets a good chewing out from NBC senior management.

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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:10:56pm

re: #220 goddamnedfrank

Popcorn Time!
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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:11:11pm

re: #220 goddamnedfrank

Heh, I guess he figured NBC would edit the shit out of it.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:13:56pm

re: #221 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

I don’t know how legally binding Ford’s pardon would have been. Basically he rendered further prosecution of Nixon pointless, something like “even if you convict him, I’ll pardon him anyway”

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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:16:32pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:16:57pm

Ladies,
Methinks we are getting trolled here a bit, but it did make me laugh.

Ladies, I Know We’re All Wonder Woman, But Don’t Put Swords Down Your Dresses

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A dark and stormy covfefe  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:17:00pm

re: #220 goddamnedfrank

I hope some random station broadcasting a test pattern gets better ratings.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:18:53pm

re: #28 MsJ

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Trump has made history by being the Prez who came under criminal investigation the fastest. Sad!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:20:49pm

re: #212 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Air fryer?

en.wikipedia.org

An air fryer is a kitchen appliance that cooks by circulating hot air around the food. A mechanical fan circulates the hot air around the food at high speed, cooking the food and producing a crispy layer via the Maillard effect. By circulating air up to 200 Celsius or 392 degrees Fahrenheit this appliance fries foods like potato chips, chicken, fish or pastries using less oil than a traditional deep-fryer.

Most air fryers come with adjustable temperature and timer knobs that allow for more precise cooking. Food is cooked in the cooking basket that sits atop a drip tray.

Various brands of air fryers claim to save as much as 80% cooking oil in comparison to traditional fryers. While most models of air fryers require that the basket be periodically shaken to ensure even cooking throughout, some models incorporate a food agitator that continuously churns the food during the cooking process.

She highly recommends it. She bought two (one for her brother). It doesn’t heat up the kitchen in the summer, uses far less oil, cooks way faster than our traditional gas oven (to the chagrin of our gas company), &c.

The kind we have is here, if you’re interested in throwing Ameros at Amazon with a kickback to Mr. Johnson …

amazon.com

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:21:26pm

re: #220 goddamnedfrank

Dang it!! White Jesus has let Megyn down badly. Shame.

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EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:21:52pm

re: #226 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

Heh, I guess he figured NBC would edit the shit out of it.

More like Jones plans to edit the shit out of the interview.

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BlueGrl21  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:24:26pm

re: #231 Patricia Kayden

Trump has made history by being the Prez who came under criminal investigation the fastest. Sad!

Well, at least he won SOMETHING.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:24:47pm

So Booz Allen (of Snowden fans, IIRC) Is under investigation for financial shenanigans - “billing practices.

washingtonpost.com

Yup.

As a government contractor that sells billions of dollars in services to U.S. spy agencies, Booz Allen is closely watched. It was thrust into the spotlight in 2013 when former employee Edward Snowden acknowledged leaking government secrets. The company again came under scrutiny in 2016 when another Booz Allen employee working with the National Security Agency was charged with stealing classified information.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:25:45pm

Don’t do business with oligarchs:

buzzfeed.com

ETA: sorry, don’t do business with Russian oligarchs who fall out of favor with Putin in England.

This is a good read.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:25:46pm

Cooking time for dinner tonight from start to finish was twenty-five minutes, including prep. I even washed the dishes already.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:25:51pm

re: #206 The Vicious Babushka

I am praying for Steve Scalise.

I am praying that he has a “George Wallace” moment and changes his evil ways.

Now that would be a miracle. We shall see.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:25:56pm

re: #235 BlueGrl21

Well, at least he won SOMETHING.

Hopefully gonna win some time in Club Fed, aka Bar A Lago.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:29:31pm

re: #240 Unshaken Defiance

Upding for Bar A Lago.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:29:39pm

re: #240 Unshaken Defiance

Hopefully gonna win some time in Club Fed, aka Bar A Lago.

That’s it, just transfer oversight of Mar-a-Lago to the Bureau of Prisons.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:30:47pm

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

Another excellent thread rant:

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Trump is already in full attack mode tweeting nonsense attacks on Secretary Clinton and Democrats. Why doesn’t he show some respect?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:31:12pm

re: #239 Patricia Kayden

No way that would be a miracle. We shall see.

That might even have me reconsider (briefly) my position on religion.

(Jeopardy theme plays)

Nope. If Scalise has a “come to Wallace” moment, it will be only because he was personally affected.

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ObserverArt  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:32:13pm

re: #226 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

Heh, I guess he figured NBC would edit the shit out of it.

I hope NBC makes Kelly pull it. Then it makes everyone look bad.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:33:39pm

re: #243 Patricia Kayden

Trump is already in full attack mode tweeting nonsense attacks on Secretary Clinton and Democrats. Why doesn’t he show some respect?

Trump doesn’t know the meaning of the word respect.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:35:13pm

re: #184 HappyWarrior

And then there are people like fucking Hannity who go to the fucking baseball field and demand that Rothenstein and Mueller be fired. Sorry, the tragedy yesterday doesn’t change the fact that Trump should be investigated no matter how much Lumpy wants it to be a Reichstag Fire moment.

Hannity is an idiot. Mueller appears to be taking this investigation very seriously and I expect that he’ll find plenty of dirt on Trump and his yes men. Hence the caterwauling from Hannity and his ilk.

These are the same folks who would be investigating a President Hillary Clinton endlessly over non-scandals

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ObserverArt  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:37:23pm

re: #247 Patricia Kayden

Hannity is an idiot. Mueller appears to be taking this investigation very seriously and I expect that he’ll find plenty of dirt on Trump and his yes men. Hence the caterwauling from Hannity and his ilk.

These are the same folks who would be investigating a President Hillary Clinton endlessly over non-scandals

I don’t believe they have stopped investigating Hillary have they? I think that is a Fox staple.

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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:38:04pm

Queens Of The Stone Age dropped a new track from their new album on YouTube today.

Queens of the Stone Age - The Way You Used to Do (Audio)

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:40:30pm

re: #248 ObserverArt

I don’t they have stopped investigating Hillary have they? I think that is a Fox staple.

If it’s not B. Clinton’s fault it’s Obama’s fault. If it’s not Obama’s fault it’s H. Clinton’s fault. Blather. Reince. Bleat.

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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:43:38pm
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Varek Raith  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:51:32pm

Good evening.
What did I miss?

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Interesting Times  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:51:36pm

Yes, I know David Sirota’s history is problematic, but he’s bang-on right about this:

It also reminds me of the point made by someone else here the other day, re what’s going to happen if the GOPers pass trumpdon’tcare and all these financially vulnerable but well-armed Americans suffer directly in the form of bankruptcy, illness, and deaths in their families… :/

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Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:52:03pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:52:22pm

re: #252 Varek Raith

Good evening.
What did I miss?

Giphy

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:53:29pm

re: #194 Myron Falwell

The NRA has gun safety recommendations? LOLWUT?

I guess the emphasis for the NRA is on recommendations. They’re fine with safety recommendations but appear to balk at any legislation mandating gun safety practices. They have way too much power over the GOP.

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makeitstop  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:56:06pm

re: #226 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

Heh, I guess he figured NBC would edit the shit out of it.

I heard on the radio the other day that he was unhappy with the editing, didn’t think it was fair.

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Skip Intro  Jun 15, 2017 • 6:56:37pm

re: #254 Stanley Sea

Well, there goes trump’s favorite line that “many people say”.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:01:00pm

The penalty of being home all the time: Any time someone in town wants a village trustee I am the go-to guy.

In this case it was the village clerk, wanting my opinion on flyers she just developed for our water tower repair which will cause low water pressure problems for three days (the tower will be off-line and the village system will be directly run by the two wells), and the sewer inspection demonstration by a local company.

Sure, they look okay to me, and if the public wants to come to a demonstration of doing a colonoscopy on our sewers so they can see how we’re spending their tax money, sure, I’m in favour of it as long as the company doesn’t mind. (Our sewers haven’t been inspected in decades.)

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Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:03:40pm
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scottslemmons  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:07:34pm

re: #247 Patricia Kayden

Hannity is an idiot. Mueller appears to be taking this investigation very seriously and I expect that he’ll find plenty of dirt on Trump and his yes men. Hence the caterwauling from Hannity and his ilk.

These are the same folks who would be investigating a President Hillary Clinton endlessly over non-scandals

“Hillary sneezed in public?! THIS IS THE GREATEST CRIME IN AMERICAN HISTORY!”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:07:40pm

I guess the question to ask the sewer inspection company Saturday is if their system finds a polyp can they cut it out. /s

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:09:15pm

Dr. Jill Stein had diddly to do with this. On the other hand, her campaign screwed up the election.

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makeitstop  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:10:08pm

re: #245 ObserverArt

I hope NBC makes Kelly pull it. Then it makes everyone look bad.

And follow it up by suing Jones into the middle of next week.

They could reasonably argue for loss of ad revenue. And win.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:11:00pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:11:47pm

On the sewer having to drink that “cleansing” solution beforehand, I don’t want to be anywhere near the village sewage lagoons for a couple days.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:12:24pm

re: #263 Anymouse 🌹

Dr. Jill Stein had diddly to do with this. On the other hand, her campaign screwed up the election.

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You are misreading sarcasm.,

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Brian J.  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:13:17pm

re: #127 EPR-radar

One really depressing thought in all of this is how long a military occupation of the Confederacy would have had to last if the exit condition for the troops was honest and widespread public support for civil rights and a de-Confederatization of Southern elites. A century of occupation seems like the bare minimum.

I think that could have been sped up in a few ways:
Sic Semper Traditores. Every CSA officer and elected official gets a date with the hangman.
40 Acres and a Mule. We make Sherman’s promise good.
Turtledove’s 16th Amendment. From his short story “Must and Shall,” and based on a real law passed in Arkansas but then repealed; all descendants of CSA soldiers are disenfranchised. Forever.
Exemplary servitude. Plantation owners of 160 acres or more get their property expropriated, without compensation. Hump that plow, Calvin Candie.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:13:38pm

re: #267 Stanley Sea

You are misreading sarcasm.,

You are correct. I also read DAPA as DAPL. Lemme go clean my glasses.

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makeitstop  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:14:46pm

re: #247 Patricia Kayden

Hannity is an idiot. Mueller appears to be taking this investigation very seriously and I expect that he’ll find plenty of dirt on Trump and his yes men. Hence the caterwauling from Hannity and his ilk.

These are the same folks who would be investigating a President Hillary Clinton endlessly over non-scandals

If the universe wants to be exceedingly kind to me, it would find a way to implicate Lumpy and Fox News into all of this.

Just saying, Universe.

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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:14:49pm
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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:14:58pm

re: #254 Stanley Sea

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:15:51pm

re: #268 Brian J.

all descendants of CSA soldiers are disenfranchised. Forever.

I would not favour punishing future generations for what their parents did.

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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:17:45pm

re: #271 teleskiguy

I was quite young, seven or eight years old. Nearest grocery store in those days was 26 miles away, so M&D shopped once a week, on Sunday.

One Sunday my dad surprised me by buying an issue of Weekly World News with the cover headline BAT BOY FOUND IN CAVE.

I still have the issue somewhere, down in my folks’ basement among all other weird treasures.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:18:46pm

re: #271 teleskiguy

Oh, they’re still around.

Locusts Swarm Detroit (Goes to Weekly World News)

A swarm of locusts covered Detroit yesterday, raising fears that Chicago could be next.

Michigan authorities sent out drones to spray pesticides over the city to prevent damage by the swarm, which numbers about 50,000 locusts, said a spokeswoman for the City of Detroit.

(more at the link)

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Teukka  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:20:02pm

re: #254 Stanley Sea

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Myron Falwell  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:22:55pm

re: #265 MsJ

Because it’s Scott Dworkin, it may not be a bad idea to double-check and validate.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:27:57pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:34:13pm

It’s times like this that I just bury myself in comfort music. Spinning now: Abbey Road, B-side.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:36:32pm

re: #275 Anymouse 🌹

Oh, they’re still around.

Locusts Swarm Detroit (Goes to Weekly World News)

(more at the link)

Which horseman is that? /

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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:37:01pm

re: #279 Barefoot Grin

It’s times like this that I just bury myself in comfort music. Spinning now: Abbey Road, B-side.

Iframe

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:37:54pm

re: #277 Myron Falwell

Because it’s Scott Dworkin, it may not be a bad idea to double-check and validate.

I get that but there was letterhead. He wouldn’t burn credibility on something do easily checked. If I’m wrong I’ll block him.

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Brian J.  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:38:12pm

re: #273 Anymouse 🌹

I would not favour punishing future generations for what their parents did.

That is why the Confederacy won the peace. They had no problem with that at all.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:38:19pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:38:41pm

...

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:40:03pm

re: #280 MsJ

Which horseman is that? /

That would be pestilence, so #3. (/atheist)

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Myron Falwell  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:42:44pm

re: #273 Anymouse 🌹

I would not favour punishing future generations for what their parents did.

We saw what absolutely no punishment got us… Jim Crow, the “Christian” Coalition, a diseased and depraved Republican Party, and Trump.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:42:58pm

re: #283 Brian J.

That is why the Confederacy won the peace. They had no problem with that at all.

I have no problem with the idea that every one of the leaders of the Confederacy including its Army and Navy officers being put on trial for rebellion.

After WW2, we didn’t try the children of Nazi officials. Those who gave silent assent to Germany’s crimes were marched through extermination camps and such to show what their complacency wrought.

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jaunte  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:45:20pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:45:38pm

Fucker actually thinks that’s funny as hell.

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jaunte  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:47:50pm

re: #290 teleskiguy

Was there a joke in there?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:48:29pm

re: #285 Anymouse 🌹

Well, considering I got a downvote for repeating the tweet in question (which was true), but I assume I was downvoted for the poster asking people to call out the direct plagiarism of Jim Wright, I removed the comment above.

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jaunte  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:49:28pm

Huckabee is the Brick Tamland of comedy writers.

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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:49:42pm

re: #291 jaunte

Fuck if I know. Patton Oswalt should do a reading.

Patton Oswalt Performs Mike Huckabee’s Twitter Jokes

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Varek Raith  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:49:58pm

re: #290 teleskiguy

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Fucker actually thinks that’s funny as hell.

What a tryhard.

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bratwurst  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:50:01pm

Grifting über Alles!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:51:10pm
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Myron Falwell  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:52:11pm

re: #282 MsJ

I get that but there was letterhead. He wouldn’t burn credibility on something do easily checked. If I’m wrong I’ll block him.

Oh absolutely right! I wasn’t discrediting the letterhead at all. Others might, tho. :/

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makeitstop  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:54:03pm

Potential copycat?

Federal prosecutors on Thursday asked a judge to revoke the pretrial release of a man who was arrested in May for checking into the Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C. with two guns in his car, saying he had violated the terms of his release by, among other things, returning to Washington.

Judge Robin Meriweather released the suspect, Bryan Moles, on June 2 under a number of conditions. In court filings Wednesday and Thursday, prosecutors said Moles had violated many of them.

Postings from what prosecutors say is Moles’ Facebook account show him using drugs in Washington, D.C., and include photos of the front pages of various Washington, D.C. newspapers, all of which feature reports on the shooting Wednesday morning at a Republican congressional baseball team practice in Alexandria, Virginia. “[T]he newspapers were placed in the photographs next to a non-descript black bag with unknown contents,” the filing notes.

Emphasis mine.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:54:11pm

re: #296 bratwurst

Grifting über Alles!

Lumpy is more than likely a policy holder. Remember that he pointed his CCW at Juan Williams’ head live in studio.

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Kragar  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:54:25pm
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Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:55:12pm

Every minute another one

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Myron Falwell  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:55:58pm

re: #293 jaunte

Huckabee is the Brick Tamland of comedy writers.

I DON’T KNOW WHAT WE’RE YELLING ABOUT! LOUD NOISES!!!

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sagehen  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:56:19pm

re: #290 teleskiguy

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Fucker actually thinks that’s funny as hell.

I used to like Huckabee.

In the 2008 campaign season, he said some very kind things about people he now hates. For example, re Obama and older Obama supporters, “I’m old enough to remember Jim Crow. I grew up under it. If it were me, I’d be a lot angrier and a lot more bitter than they are.” And re Clintons: “yeah, her husband cheated. But she stuck with him, they took the steps they needed to to repair their marriage, and they’re solid now. And they raised a wonderful daughter, so obviously they’re doing something right.”

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Kragar  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:56:24pm
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jaunte  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:57:09pm

Kentucky Doctors Warn Against a Regional Dish: Squirrels’ Brains
nytimes.com

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Varek Raith  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:57:45pm

re: #306 jaunte

Kentucky Doctors Warn Against a Regional Dish: Squirrels’ Brains
nytimes.com

-_-

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scottslemmons  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:58:19pm

re: #304 sagehen

I used to like Huckabee.

In the 2008 campaign season, he said some very kind things about people he now hates. For example, re Obama and older Obama supporters, “I’m old enough to remember Jim Crow. I grew up under it. If it were me, I’d be a lot angrier and a lot more bitter than they are.” And re Clintons: “yeah, her husband cheated. But she stuck with him, they took the steps they needed to to repair their marriage, and they’re solid now. And they raised a wonderful daughter, so obviously they’re doing something right.”

Raising a family of sociopaths and fledgling serial killers is a hell of a drug.

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Skip Intro  Jun 15, 2017 • 7:59:41pm

re: #302 Stanley Sea

This one is going to steal millions of dollars before she’s through. She’s been taught by the best grifters in the country.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:00:26pm

Scott Dworkin is not a trustworthy source. I don’t say this lightly. He’s part of a tight-knit group of people who are pushing fake news to liberals, just like Cernovich and Chuck C. Johnson are peddling fake news to right wingers.

He’s preying on false hopes for personal profit, in my opinion. If you trust his “scoops,” you’ll get burned.

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A dark and stormy covfefe  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:01:21pm

re: #290 teleskiguy

It’s all in the presentation.

The Unknown Comic

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:02:21pm

re: #299 makeitstop

Well, “unknown black bag” could mean anything. The photos of the newspapers showing the reporting on the shooting are creepy (and that kind of thing can be an indicator of a criminal planning an event or evidence a criminal perpetrated one), but by itself is not much.

On the other hand, the direct violations of parole should be enough to jail the guy.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:03:36pm

re: #306 jaunte

Kentucky Doctors Warn Against a Regional Dish: Squirrels’ Brains
nytimes.com

Well, there goes my Father’s Day barbecue surprise plan.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:04:03pm

re: #313 Shiplord Kirel

Well, there goes my Father’s Day barbecue surprise plan.

Bummer.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:04:37pm

re: #304 sagehen

Huckabee’s campaign, in retrospect, felt like a “take that” from the so-called “Bible Belt” because the party leadership was pushing Romney hard.

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makeitstop  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:05:03pm

re: #301 Kragar

Alex Jones releases secretly-taped audio of Megyn Kelly interview

With those two snakes, it was always a question of who would bite first and who would get bit.

The next two questions - how big is NBC’s law suit against Jones going to be, and will they consider this a firing offense against Kelly?

It would be cool as fuck if they both lost in some manner.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:08:10pm

re: #313 Shiplord Kirel

Well, there goes my Father’s Day barbecue surprise plan.

We still have the monkeys though. Just throw another chimp on the barbie and we’ll be set.

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William Lewis  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:08:44pm

re: #313 Shiplord Kirel

Heh. I’ll just stick to a nice stew with brown gravy & root veggies for tree rats.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:09:05pm

re: #310 Charles Johnson

And again, it goes back to us individually having the wherewithal to resist confirmation bias.

In theory, they can throw a nugget of truth amidst a torrent of garbage, but the nugget of truth might be enough to sustain the con.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:09:13pm
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Skip Intro  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:11:40pm

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:11:57pm

re: #313 Shiplord Kirel

Well, there goes my Father’s Day barbecue surprise plan.

When the mad cow outbreak occurred in Europe, those who lived there at the time (including military) were barred from donating blood in the USA (and still are). As such, I cannot donate blood.

Mad cow (and apparently now mad squirrel) are the specific reason I oppose otherwise do-gooder ideas to make organ donation mandatory. Since there is no test for vCJD, there is no way of knowing for example if you took one of my organs that you would give the disease to someone else (assuming I came down with it).

In an opt-in scheme for organ donation, a lot of perfectly good organs will go unused. In a mandatory scheme, all sorts of diseases (some of which are untestable like vCJD) would be passed along.

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jaunte  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:13:13pm
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jaunte  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:13:38pm

When will Rosenstein recuse?

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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:17:53pm
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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:19:46pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:22:29pm

re: #326 MsJ

The Interior Department removed climate change a couple days ago from its Tribal Affairs Website about Tribal Climate Programmes.

buzzfeed.com

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Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:23:55pm

In one tweet he wrote, “Why is that Hillary Clintons family and Dems dealings with Russia are not looked at, but my non-dealings are?”

Asked for a comment, Mrs. Clinton’s former campaign chairman, John Podesta, wrote in an email: “Psychotic transference.”

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Interesting Times  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:25:07pm

Hurr hurr, modurn workin’ woman and feminist icon!!!11!

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sagehen  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:27:11pm
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Kragar  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:27:38pm
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retired cynic  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:28:22pm

Charlie Pierce has his own version of Jim Wright’s Bang Bang Crazy series. Worth the read.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:28:59pm

re: #301 Kragar

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Lay down with dogs…..

…get up with fleas.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:30:11pm

—- deleted —-

Veteran of 3 presidential campaigns, served on White House staff (Clinton). Country over Party. Never Putin’s bitch. My car is faster than yours. Chaos Agent.

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KGxvi  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:30:17pm

I saw a headline earlier that Pence has hired private counsel. That led me to game out some scenarios, the most spectacular being:

Pence realizes he stepped in it and seeing that he’s potentially facing indictment, resigns. Before a new VP is selected and confirmed, something comes out that finally forces Ryan to break and green light impeachment. Articles of Impeachment are passed, but the TP/Freedumb Caucus/Trumpers in the House move for a change of leadership, so Ryan is out as speaker. Trump is convicted in the Senate with no VP yet sworn in. We see the swearing in of President Orrin Hatch… or even more crazy, Hatch says he doesn’t want it (too old, not healthy enough, whatever the reason), so before the impeachment trial starts, the Senate has to elect a new President Pro Tem. Fun question, who would win that vote?

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:30:26pm

re: #321 Skip Intro

That’s a lot of asshole in one room.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:31:08pm
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KGxvi  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:32:34pm

re: #334 MsJ

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Veteran of 3 presidential campaigns, served on White House staff (Clinton). Country over Party. Never Putin’s bitch. My car is faster than yours. Chaos Agent.

I don’t know if/when/how we recover, but I honestly think at this point the best thing for the US and the world at large is for this tape - if it exists - to be made public. The sooner the better.

It’s like the Black Mirror episode with the Prime Minister and the pig.

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JordanRules  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:32:45pm

re: #325 teleskiguy

Awesome!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:35:05pm

re: #335 KGxvi

I saw a headline earlier that Pence has hired private counsel. That led me to game out some scenarios, the most spectacular being:

Pence realizes he stepped in it and seeing that he’s potentially facing indictment, resigns. Before a new VP is selected and confirmed, something comes out that finally forces Ryan to break and green light impeachment. Articles of Impeachment are passed, but the TP/Freedumb Caucus/Trumpers in the House move for a change of leadership, so Ryan is out as speaker. Trump is convicted in the Senate with no VP yet sworn in. We see the swearing in of President Orrin Hatch… or even more crazy, Hatch says he doesn’t want it (too old, not healthy enough, whatever the reason), so before the impeachment trial starts, the Senate has to elect a new President Pro Tem. Fun question, who would win that vote?

If Orrin Hatch declined, the line of succession dictates next that the Secretary of State becomes President (Rexxon Tillerson). Then Secretary of the Treasury (Steve Mnuchin), then Secretary of Defense (James Mattis) and so on.

Hatch could also stay on just long enough to see a new VP made, then resign.

Or worse for the House (my extreme gaming scenario), Ryan is forced to resign or ousted as Speaker, and Nancy Pelosi gets put in.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:35:21pm
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sagehen  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:35:38pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:37:08pm

re: #334 MsJ

Wasn’t he the guy who did the “scoop” with Louise Mensch about the impeachment thing with the SCOTUS stuff right before the foreign trip?

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JordanRules  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:40:04pm

re: #343 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Yeah that SCOTUS Marshal serves Impeachment Articles on AF1 story.

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covfefe  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:40:36pm
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KGxvi  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:44:50pm

re: #340 Anymouse 🌹

If Orrin Hatch declined, the line of succession dictates next that the Secretary of State becomes President (Rexxon Tillerson). Then Secretary of the Treasury (Steve Mnuchin), then Secretary of Defense (James Mattis) and so on.

Hatch could also stay on just long enough to see a new VP made, then resign.

Or worse for the House (my extreme gaming scenario), Ryan is forced to resign or ousted as Speaker, and Nancy Pelosi gets put in.

I don’t think anyone in Congress would be ok with any member of Trump’s cabinet becoming president if this scenario plays out. Which is why I said a change in Pres Pro Tem would be before the impeachment trial.

Now, playing off your Pelosi suggestion, maybe the non-Trump Republicans in the House join with the Dems for the Speaker vote and settle on some sort of compromise pick.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:46:10pm

Obituary: Col. Catherine Betz, age 92, veteran of the Vietnam War.

Col. Catherine Betz had a love of the Army that was surpassed only by her love for others.

When a badly burned baby boy was left at St. Elizabeth’s Orphanage in Saigon, the career military nurse became his godmother, cradling the Vietnamese child for his baptism, according to newspaper accounts. Her commander was godfather. The godparents and troops sent money to the orphanage for the boy’s education until the fall of Saigon, Col. Betz told a reporter for the Retrospect in 2011.

“She wanted us to bring him to the United States so one of us could adopt him,” her sister, Mary Mullen, of Bellmawr, said during an interview Monday. “She really was a hero.”

Col. “Kitty” Betz, 92, a 1942 graduate of Collingswood High School and a Philadelphia nursing school student, died Monday, May 22, in El Paso, Texas.

More at philly.com

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Kragar  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:47:03pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:48:21pm
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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:48:24pm

re: #343 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Wasn’t he the guy who did the “scoop” with Louise Mensch about the impeachment thing with the SCOTUS stuff right before the foreign trip?

Did he?

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:48:41pm

re: #340 Anymouse 🌹

If Orrin Hatch declined, the line of succession dictates next that the Secretary of State becomes President (Rexxon Tillerson). Then Secretary of the Treasury (Steve Mnuchin), then Secretary of Defense (James Mattis) and so on.

Hatch could also stay on just long enough to see a new VP made, then resign.

Or worse for the House (my extreme gaming scenario), Ryan is forced to resign or ousted as Speaker, and Nancy Pelosi gets put in.

I think Hatch would nominate Willard Romney as VP, then resign as soon as he is sworn in.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:50:20pm

re: #352 Shiplord Kirel

I think Hatch would nominate Willard Romney as VP, then resign as soon as he is sworn in.

Honestly, as much as I hate Republicans, anyone not involved with this election and Trump word l would be better.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:52:07pm

re: #353 MsJ

Honestly, as much as I hate Republicans, anyone not involved with this election and Trump word l would be better.

I could also see Sen. Hatch nominate Evan McMullin.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:52:11pm

re: #351 MsJ

Did he?

Why yes, yes indeed it was him:

Maybe he is not exactly a credible source.

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:57:20pm

re: #355 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Thanks. I deleted that and am going to Block.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 15, 2017 • 8:58:12pm

re: #356 MsJ

Thanks. I deleted that and am going to Block.

To be fair, it can be hard to keep track of all the crappy sources on Twitter but he’s definitely been playing into people’s confirmation bias a LOT.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 9:00:09pm

re: #357 klys (maker of Silmarils)

To be fair, it can be hard to keep track of all the crappy sources on Twitter but he’s definitely been playing into people’s confirmation bias a LOT.

Considering Louise Mensch was a Conservative MP in the UK, I was never inclined to consider her a credible source about anything in US politics without confirmation.

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bratwurst  Jun 15, 2017 • 9:00:30pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 9:04:38pm

As does every other veterans organisation, the ones I belong to oppose individual unemployability cuts. (That is disabled veteran benefits for those deemed unemployable, including me.) The GOP wants to cut those benefits to balance the budget provide tax cuts for the rich.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 9:10:55pm

The Military Times link in the tweet above is bad. This is the correct link:

VA Defends Plan to Cut Benefits from Thousands of Elderly Benefits

(That would be the famous GOP support for the troops and vets again, which is why I have never voted for a Republican):

Veterans Affairs officials on Wednesday defended plans to strip tens of thousands of dollars in unemployment benefits from elderly veterans as responsible reforms to the department’s growing budget, but opponents promised to fight the idea.

Included in President Donald Trump’s $186.5 billion VA budget for fiscal 2018 — a nearly 6 percent boost in discretionary spending from this year — are plans to dramatically cut the department’s Individual Unemployability program.

Up to 225,000 veterans over the age of 60, at least 7,000 of whom are over 80, could be impacted by the change.

Under current rules, the IU program awards payouts at the 100 percent disabled rate to veterans who cannot find work due to service-connected injuries, even if actual rating is less than that.

(more at the link)

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 15, 2017 • 9:17:58pm

re: #341 Stanley Sea

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 15, 2017 • 9:23:33pm
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JordanRules  Jun 15, 2017 • 9:29:48pm

re: #362 FormerDirtDart

Hmmmmm….All the Cheeto scammers have ill fitting suits.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 9:32:28pm

I told my wife she gets a twenty-one taste bud salute for dinner tonight.

The recipe for Vindaloo salmon is now on one of her Websites:

gunafood.com

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JordanRules  Jun 15, 2017 • 9:33:39pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 9:35:21pm

re: #366 JordanRules

Not even trying to hide the graft and corruption I see. (That would be another reason I have never voted for a Republican. I have not had one Republican president since Eisenhower that was not corrupt in some way, and I was way too young to vote for Ike.)

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2017 • 9:35:29pm

re: #366 JordanRules

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No doubt they’re going to discuss renewable energy investment.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 9:38:09pm

re: #365 Anymouse 🌹

Her funniest recipe (actually two) is a recipe for Crow (as in, if you have to eat crow). They both tell how to cook crow:

gunafood.com

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Varek Raith  Jun 15, 2017 • 9:42:38pm

re: #369 Anymouse 🌹

So….
Gonna share some of that food with the rest of the board???

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Amory Blaine  Jun 15, 2017 • 9:45:34pm

Trump’s disrespect for US institutions, draws his base to him. If this is a feature instead of a bug, then the 65% number would have a percentage of people who also don’t respect the institutions. And 35% that thinks he does might have moderates that give him the benefit of a doubt.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 9:51:43pm

re: #370 Varek Raith

So….
Gonna share some of that food with the rest of the board???

Nope.

We occasionally have pot-luck dinners in the village hall or fire hall though. For those my wife will bring something along (and we bring back empty dishes).

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MsJ  Jun 15, 2017 • 9:53:25pm

Mueller had assembled a hell of a team. Trump has got to be shiting his pants.

theguardian.com

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allegro  Jun 15, 2017 • 9:55:29pm

re: #373 MsJ

Mueller had assembled a hell of a team. Trump has got to be shooting his pants.

theguardian.com

OK now I know it’s time to go to bed because the image this is evoking in mah brainz eyeball is way funnier than it should be.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 10:01:00pm

Daily Mail Pretty Sure Black Dude Caused Grenfell Fire Not the Long-Known Fire Hazards (goes to Wonkette)

The Daily Fail with its regular dose of casual racism.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 10:34:13pm

Jim Bakker claims Stephen Colbert is provoking violence against President Trump:

RWW News: Jim Bakker Says Stephen Colbert Is Provoking Anti-Trump Violence


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