The Bob Cesca Show: A Really Clever Fascist

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

A Really Clever Fascist: Cliff Schecter from The Majority Report podcast is here today; The Trump Crisis Day 147; We discuss the shooting in Alexandria and whether it’ll change any GOP minds on gun control; The NRA and Mental Health; The NRA is here to sell as many guns as possible; Bombshell articles confirm Trump is under investigation for felony obstruction of justice; Trump keeps walking into his own propeller; Trump still doesn’t believe the Russia story is real; Magoo does it again; and much more.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 15, 2017 • 10:22:01pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 15, 2017 • 10:47:45pm

I think you killed the comments section Dave.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 10:50:49pm
We discuss the shooting in Alexandria and whether it’ll change any GOP minds on gun control;

No, especially after they get another big donation from the NRA

The NRA and Mental Health;

They blame mental illness for shootings (and ignore the pesky fact they are the overwhelming victims, not shooters)

The NRA is here to sell as many guns as possible;

Free Hand of the Market, baby. Guns and politicians for sale.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 15, 2017 • 10:51:47pm

I secretly bought myself Chinese lunch last night for work. On my way out the door for work tonight my wife told me I forgot my fortune cookie (that she found in my lunch box). Awkward…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 10:52:27pm

re: #4 Amory Blaine

I secretly bought myself chinese lunch last night for work. On my way out the door for work tonight she told me I forgot my fortune cookie (that she found in my lunch box). Awkward…

So you have no fortune?

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Amory Blaine  Jun 15, 2017 • 10:52:58pm

I have brought shame to my house.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 15, 2017 • 10:53:28pm

re: #5 Anymouse 🌹

So you have no fortune?

The fortune read: “Women know everything.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 10:54:46pm

Los Angeles remembers Adam West tonight!

RIP, Mr. West!
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 15, 2017 • 10:55:55pm

Tim Canova continues to be a piece of shit.

Tim Canova announced a rematch against U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz Thursday at a meeting of the Broward County Democratic progressive caucus.

After his speech, the Nova Southeastern University law professor took a few questions from the Miami Herald and Sun-Sentinel about his second campaign, his January Facebook post about DNC staffer Seth Rich who was murdered, and about U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders who endorsed his 2016 bid.

Question: “[DNC staffer] Seth Rich — do you still believe he was murdered because of the DNC leaks?”

Canova: “I do believe he was murdered — yes. I am sure my opponent would also like to know who killed Seth Rich.”

Question: “But do you think he was killed because of the DNC email leaks?”

Canova: “I have no idea … What I said on Facebook was that folks had suggested it and we should find out what happened. It’s that simple.”

Question: “Do you think it has anything to do with the DNC?”

Canova: “I have no idea. I wondered what the DNC under Wasserman Schultz was capable of but I don’t know. That’s not the issues that I am focusing on. I know that’s the issue that Wasserman Schultz would like you to ask me, but that’s not the issue that I spoke about today.”

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Amory Blaine  Jun 15, 2017 • 10:56:13pm

I wish I knew someone with one of them air fryers. The idea is appealing but I’d have to try like fried chicken in it first.

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William Lewis  Jun 15, 2017 • 10:56:42pm

re: #8 Joe Bacon

Los Angeles remembers Adam West tonight!

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Never liked that show but always liked him. Rest in the light, oh man of darkness.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 10:59:51pm

VA lab tests say I should live at least another week.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 11:00:23pm

re: #10 Amory Blaine

I wish I knew someone with one of them air fryers. The idea is appealing but I’d have to try like fried chicken in it first.

I’ve had a Philips Air Fryer for 2 years now, replaced my 10 year old George Foreman Grill. Really like the way it does burgers and I did heat tater tots in it as well. I haven’t done fried chicken in it but I have cooked frozen Chicken Kiev and Cordon Bleu in it. Takes around half the time as my regular oven and both come out crispy after I spritzed them with some PAM.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 15, 2017 • 11:15:49pm

re: #13 Joe Bacon

I’ve had a Philips Air Fryer for 2 years now, replaced my 10 year old George Foreman Grill. Really like the way it does burgers and I did heat tater tots in it as well. I haven’t done fried chicken in it but I have cooked frozen Chicken Kiev and Cordon Bleu in it. Takes around half the time as my regular oven and both come out crispy after I spritzed them with some PAM.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 15, 2017 • 11:18:02pm

re: #10 Amory Blaine

I wish I knew someone with one of them air fryers. The idea is appealing but I’d have to try like fried chicken in it first.

Fried chicken is also good made in that thing.

So is poutine.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:07:59am
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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:15:33am

All that talk last week of “vindication” because Comey said at the time that Trump wasn’t under investigation sure didn’t age well, did it?

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Kragar  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:17:39am

re: #17 Targetpractice

All that talk last week of “vindication” because Comey said at the time that Trump wasn’t under investigation sure didn’t age well, did it?

Well, they did say Comey exonerated Trump and that he was a liar who couldn’t be trusted, so they were right!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:24:38am
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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:26:44am

The thing that doesn’t seem to be getting through to the wingnuts is that you didn’t have to be the one under investigation to be obstructing justice. In fact, the primary reason that the investigation turned to Nixon and he was ultimately the subject of obstruction of justice charges was because he was taking steps to shut down an investigation that was getting uncomfortably close to his office.

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I cannot.  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:34:32am

re: #20 Targetpractice

And there doesn’t even need to be a crime. Trump and everyone around him could, in theory, be as pure as the driven snow on everything…and STILL be guilty if he obstructed the investigation.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:37:44am

re: #21 I cannot.

And there doesn’t even need to be a crime. Trump and everyone around him could, in theory, be as pure as the driven snow on everything…and STILL be guilty if he obstructed the investigation.

Prexactly. In trying as hard as possible to kill this scandal, he’s setting the stage for his own criminal conviction. The question now is just how far down the rabbit hole we go before the GOP decides enough is enough. My guess is when they get their asses kicked at the polls next November.

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Kragar  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:44:09am
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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:44:57am

re: #23 Kragar

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The Brexiters looking to capitalize on a horrific tragedy. My shock, etc.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:46:58am

re: #22 Targetpractice

Prexactly. In trying as hard as possible to kill this scandal, he’s setting the stage for his own criminal conviction. The question now is just how far down the rabbit hole we go before the GOP decides enough is enough. My guess is when they get their asses kicked at the polls next November.

Possibly before. While there are plenty of GOP Representatives and Senators who act like wingnuts, they can read polls and voting trends as well as the Democrats.

Presumably, if they see their support tanking and a few special elections go against them (such as the NY and NH R safe legislature seats that went to Democrats) they might move to try and save their party before the 2018 election.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:53:38am

re: #25 Anymouse 🌹

Possibly before. While there are plenty of GOP Representatives and Senators who act like wingnuts, they can read polls and voting trends as well as the Democrats.

Presumably, if they see their support tanking and a few special elections go against them (such as the NY and NH R safe legislature seats that went to Democrats) they might move to try and save their party before the 2018 election.

But what does saving the party really look like at this point? There’s no chance that the GOP leadership will entertain impeachmeant and any who seriously broach the subject will be the target of a very angry party base. Right now, it looks like the most they’re prepared to do is allow the “vulnerable” among them to “break ranks” on this vote or that one, but when it comes to defending him on the investigation the party is totally on the same script.

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Kragar  Jun 16, 2017 • 1:00:52am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 1:03:57am

re: #26 Targetpractice

But what does saving the party really look like at this point? There’s no chance that the GOP leadership will entertain impeachment and any who seriously broach the subject will be the target of a very angry party base. Right now, it looks like the most they’re prepared to do is allow the “vulnerable” among them to “break ranks” on this vote or that one, but when it comes to defending him on the investigation the party is totally on the same script.

Well, as far as the “vulnerable” they always allow them to “break” to maintain some sense of moderation (see Susan Collins for that).

I’m referring to a wave election, similar to the Tea Party wave in 2010 on taxes and marriage equality, that overwhelmed state legislatures and the US Congress.

Gerrymandering can be overcome with a wave election, and even very safe districts become endangered. The Democrats biggest problem is Democratic voters who are apathetic, along with so-called “independents” who are still playing the “both sides are the same” game.

In the last Presidential election, the majority of the electorate did not vote. Those are the people the Democrats should be targeting for an election, because R voters are pretty faithful at voting in any election, even for R-Satan.

If some Republican voters decide with the behaviour of Trump and the Republican Congressional Caucus that they are either sick of their own party (so they don’t vote) or vote for Democratic candidates, great. But the focus should be on our own voters and the non-voters.

In the last election, one of the most reliable voting blocks for the Republicans went for Hillary Clinton (active duty military).

Veterans went for Trump by-and-large, but all the crap being poured out on vets by the Republicans is faithfully being reported in every veterans organisations magazines and social media. (I note this from DAV Magazine and VFW Magazine, along with Navy Times).

Here in so-called Trump Country, veterans here are disillusioned with what the GOP is doing to them. That is a real advantage.

The elderly are another voting bloc being pushed over a cliff by the GOP and they are another Republican voting bloc. They depend on things like Medicare and Social Security, and to that the AARP and other similar groups are also hammering the GOP.

Such groups are natural allies of the Democrats: They just need the motivation to vote.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 1:07:34am

Shamelessly promoting a page by Birth Control Works - idiot “pro-life” wingnuts being idiot “pro-life” wingnuts (BCW, I’ll take my payment in Sorosbux):

Outside a Clinic in Charlotte, 600 Protestors Claim Abortion Is ‘A Man’s Issue’

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 16, 2017 • 1:07:56am
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Dave In Austin  Jun 16, 2017 • 1:10:44am

re: #30 goddamnedfrank

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 16, 2017 • 1:27:55am

re: #30 goddamnedfrank

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Dave In Austin  Jun 16, 2017 • 1:33:31am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 1:34:21am
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Dave In Austin  Jun 16, 2017 • 1:41:32am

On CNN they are saying that Russia “possibly” may have bagged al-Baghdadi in an air strike……

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 1:42:56am

re: #35 Dave In Austin

On CNN they are saying that Russia “possibly” may have bagged al-Baghdadi in an air strike……

In other words, CNN doesn’t know. That goes back to the “On The Media” poster on evaluating news reports critically.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2017 • 1:43:33am

re: #35 Dave In Austin

On CNN they are saying that Russia “possibly” may have bagged al-Baghdadi in an air strike……

Just how many times now has that bastard been presumed dead?

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Dave In Austin  Jun 16, 2017 • 1:44:45am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 1:45:03am

re: #37 Targetpractice

Just how many times now has that bastard been presumed dead?

More times than I can count. Probably all the way back to George Washington.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2017 • 1:47:24am

re: #38 Dave In Austin

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“May have.” And I “may have” won the lottery. I expect confirmation on both.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 16, 2017 • 1:53:41am

re: #30 goddamnedfrank

Thnx. In 4 1.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2017 • 1:54:55am

re: #40 Targetpractice

“May have.” And I “may have” won the lottery. I expect confirmation on both.

Was it “Chemical Ali” or one of the other Iraqi generals who was allegedly killed in a half dozen different attacks/operations?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 2:02:03am

Canada attempts scraps blasphemy law. It was last invoked against a cinema that showed “Life of Brian” in 1980. The Liberal Party forwarded bill C-51, which is currently in committee.

It’s been ninety years since the last conviction: an atheist was prosecuted under the law (he was jailed for sixty days). The law was passed in 1892.

The argument today is that both statements “God is Great” and “God is a Myth” should both be protected speech under Canadian laws.

In the 1980 case, the Ontario Attorney General stepped in to put a stop to the case, but under the provisions of the act, it would have held up in court.

globalnews.ca

Fortunately here in Canada it didn’t take any sort of outrageous prosecution to convince the government to scrap our blasphemy law. In fact, it was accomplished with relatively little fanfare.

On Tuesday, the Liberals unveiled Bill C-51, which aims to “clean up the Criminal Code” by further clarifying sexual assault laws and also by eliminating a number of provisions that have been found unconstitutional, are similar to those found unconstitutional, or are simply obsolete and/or redundant.

That includes section 296 of the Criminal Code, which is the prohibition on publishing a “blasphemous libel.” It will now be relegated to the ash bin of history, along with other such relics as “challenging someone to a duel,” “possessing or publishing crime comics,” and “fraudulently pretending to practice witchcraft.”

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wheat-dogg  Jun 16, 2017 • 2:05:55am

re: #43 Anymouse 🌹

The argument today is that both statements “God is Great” and “God is a Myth” should both be protected speech under Canadian laws.

God is a girl.

Groove Coverage - God Is A Girl

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 2:14:58am

re: #44 wheat-dogg

God is a girl.

God is one of us.

Joan Osborne - What if god was one of us Lyrics

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wheat-dogg  Jun 16, 2017 • 2:19:31am

re: #45 Anymouse 🌹

God is one of us.

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God could be:
□ George Burns
□ Morgan Freeman
□ Alanis Morissette
□ Some random hitchhiker

EDIT: One R, two S’s in Morissette.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 2:30:39am

answersingenesis.org

Ken Ham (Australian grifter) is claiming his Ark Encounter is suffering propaganda from atheists, and that his attraction is not failing.

Ham cites numbers from a co-author of one of his books that claims the numbers are much higher (that study was predictive, before Ark Encounter was built). The co-author also runs a tourism promotion company.

patheos.com

Danthropology takes apart Mr. Ham’s claims with actual numbers.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 16, 2017 • 2:36:36am

re: #47 Anymouse 🌹

Ark Encounter is failing because (1) it’s lame and (2) it’s in the middle of nowhere. The only people who visit it are busloads of Christianists from nearby states, who probably pay a discount price.

If Ham goes bankrupt, I will not weep.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 16, 2017 • 2:38:23am

Time for dinner.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 2:42:20am

re: #48 wheat-dogg

Ark Encounter is failing because (1) it’s lame and (2) it’s in the middle of nowhere. The only people who visit it are busloads of Christianists from nearby states, who probably pay a discount price.

If Ham goes bankrupt, I will not weep.

That and “God will provide” is not a business plan. Unfortunately for the county it’s in, they believed Mr. Ham’s pitch and granted him the tax exemption (based on his numbers), then cut taxes (to achieve prosperity) on the other businesses. That county is teetering toward bankruptcy.

We have one of those “creation museums” here as well, that was years in getting off the ground and does little business. It’s in Broken Bow, Nebr. which is about as far from nowhere as you can get in this state without coming to my town.

boneyardcreationmuseum.org

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 2:46:03am

From the Boneyard Creation Museum, you could get a job! (Of course, being a wingnut grift, it doesn’t pay anything - pretty much like any religious grift):

Steve is looking for volunteers for the museum. No previous experience with museums or rocks required. Steve will train on the job.

He is looking for volunteers that could watch the museum and rock shop if he has to be gone. High school students would be welcome to volunteer too.

So he purports to be running a museum with an educational purpose, but you don’t need experience with museums. He’ll train you, as long as you don’t want a paycheck.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 16, 2017 • 2:54:17am

Didn’t the taxpayers of Kentucky help foot the bill in some amount for this Middle Eastern theme park? In Jesus name of course…

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Dave In Austin  Jun 16, 2017 • 2:55:53am

re: #51 Anymouse 🌹

I’ll bet one have to have public testimony before a job is offered. In Jesus name of course.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 2:59:25am

re: #52 Dave In Austin

Didn’t the taxpayers of Kentucky help foot the bill in some amount for this Middle Eastern theme park? In Jesus name of course…

Three years ago an article was published detailing Mr. Ham’s fight with the IRS for Federal tax exemptions (he mixed his “ministry” and his for-profit corporation’s board members, &c)

insiderlouisville.com

Under state law, he can’t discriminate based on religion, which turned into a fight (because they wanted to do exactly that in their hiring).

That issue came up in his fight to get state and county tax exemptions. Employees were required to sign a statement of faith.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 3:05:02am

The city offered bonds for the attraction, which drew criticism from atheists.

In December 2013, the city of Williamstown offered $62 million using tax increment financing of bonds to jump-start construction on the Ark Encounter. The unrated bonds were backed by the Ark Encounter’s projected future revenues, but the city was not liable for repaying them in the event that the revenues didn’t materialize. At the time of the offering, Ark Encounter, LLC had raised approximately $14 million toward construction of the park. A group of atheist objectors to the Ark Encounter attempted to disrupt the offering by registering for the sale themselves and conducting a public relations campaign against the bonds.

en.wikipedia.org

The state gave over a million dollars in grants to the county for road improvements. The state is also upgrading an interchange on I-75 that should be completed this year at the cost of ten million dollars to state taxpayers.

In June 2017, Grant County Judge Executive Stephen P. Wood told the Lexington Herald-Leader that the tax incentives offered to the Ark Encounter were “a really bad deal for taxpayers”. Although the valuation of the property within Ark Encounter’s tax increment financing district increased from $1.3 million in 2011 to $55 million in 2017, under the terms of its deal with Ark Encounter, the county only retained $63,000 of the $250,000 in property taxes collected within the district, with the rest returning to the park.

By the way, you’d never guess that Mr. Ham is a libertarian, just like Jesus.

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freetoken  Jun 16, 2017 • 3:10:47am

Insomniacs among the sleepers:

1,000+ Ducklings overnight on the barn floor

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Danack  Jun 16, 2017 • 3:11:28am

Well, as if a large number of people dying in a fire wasn’t depressing enough: bbc.co.uk

A 2012 report by the British Automatic Fire Sprinkler Association (BAFSA) concluded that fire sprinklers could be retrofitted with tenants in place at a cost of about £1,150 a flat. Since the 24-storey Grenfell Tower contained 120 flats, it works out at £138,000. Significantly less than the £2.6m spent on the cladding and replacement windows which was largely done for cosmetic reasons.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 16, 2017 • 3:12:41am

re: #55 Anymouse 🌹

He’ll end up going bankrupt and someone will turn it into an IHop or Bass Pro Shop.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 3:12:51am

On January 25, 2016, Federal Judge Gregory F. Van Tatenhove of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Kentucky ruled in favor of AiG in the case of Ark Encounter LLC et al. vs. Bob Stewart et al., ordering the state to commence processing the application for the tax rebate incentives that would become available once the Ark Encounter opened. [Gov. Matt] Bevin announced that the state would not appeal Van Tatenhove’s decision, and later replaced four of the nine members on the Tourism Development Finance Authority. Ark Encounter began advertising to fill 300 to 400 jobs in the park in April 2016; applicants were required to sign a statement of faith before being hired. Two weeks later, the Tourism Development Finance Authority approved the incentives.

That statement of faith requires an employee to profess Christianity and young Earth creationism in violation of state and Federal law for an LLC. (Ark Encounter is run as a for-profit company, though its board and Answers in Genesis’s board are mixed and they work together)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 3:20:55am

How a conspiracy theorist shut down the Port of Chaleston (So. Car.)

A section of the Port of Charleston in South Carolina was shut down for several hours Wednesday night after a tip from a far-right YouTube conspiracy theorist warned that a dirty bomb might be on a container ship moored there, officials said.

A section of the Port of Charleston was closed for about seven hours as nearly a dozen federal, state and local agencies searched and turned up nothing.

More at nytimes.com

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Amory Blaine  Jun 16, 2017 • 3:25:44am
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Amory Blaine  Jun 16, 2017 • 3:56:40am

re: #58 Dave In Austin

He’ll end up going bankrupt and someone will turn it into an IHop or Bass Pro Shop.

Waffle House

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Amory Blaine  Jun 16, 2017 • 3:57:54am

re: #57 Danack

Sprinklers aren’t as sexy though.

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Danack  Jun 16, 2017 • 4:07:44am

re: #63 Amory Blaine

Sprinklers aren’t as sexy though.

The rich people who live nearby don’t get any benefit from sprinklers, but adding flammable cladding makes the building easier on the eyes.

MP: Grenfell Tower flamable cladding added to make the building look better for wealthy residents of west London

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2017 • 4:44:06am

Maybe the white economically anxious class will kill themselves sooner rather than later:

After decades of lawsuits, public campaigns and painful struggles, Americans have finally done what once seemed impossible: Most of the country has quit smoking, saving millions of lives and leading to massive reductions in cancer.

That is, unless those Americans are poor, uneducated or live in a rural area.

[…]

Among the nation’s less-educated people — those with a high-school-equivalency diploma — the smoking rate remains more than 40 percent, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Today, rural residents are diagnosed with lung cancer at rates 18 to 20 percent above those of city dwellers. By nearly every statistical measure, researchers say, America’s lower class now smokes more and dies more from cigarettes than other Americans.

[…]

“People down here smoke because of the stress in their life,” Seals said. “They smoke because of money problems, family problems. It’s the one thing they have control over. The one thing that makes them feel better. And you want them to give that up? It’s the toughest thing in the world.”

washingtonpost.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 4:52:15am

re: #65 Timothy Watson

That is, unless those Americans are poor, uneducated or live in a rural area.

Well, I got the trifecta. I still voted for Hillary Clinton though, despite my economic anxiety.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2017 • 5:03:57am

re: #64 Danack

The rich people who live nearby don’t get any benefit from sprinklers, but adding flammable cladding makes the building easier on the eyes.

MP: Grenfell Tower flamable cladding added to make the building look better for wealthy residents of west London

A couple of stories on the sidebar are gonna come back to haunt the Tories. The first is people pointing out how Corbyn actually met with survivors of the fire and offered hugs and assurances, while May “met” with some firefighters in direct earshot of their superiors. And the second is people digging up how Boris Johnson, when he was Mayor of London, cut 8 fire stations and over 500+ firefighter jobs, then responded to an MP bringing that up in open session by telling him to “get stuffed.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2017 • 5:09:10am
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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2017 • 5:09:56am

re: #68 The Vicious Babushka

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He has no idea how a criminal investigation works…

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2017 • 5:10:41am

re: #69 Timothy Watson

He has no idea how a criminal investigation works…

Or that the focus has moved from possible collusion to definite obstruction of justice.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 16, 2017 • 5:11:31am
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Eventual Carrion  Jun 16, 2017 • 5:14:12am

re: #5 Anymouse 🌹

So you have no fortune?

Nothing worse than opening a fortune cookie and it is empty.

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MsJ  Jun 16, 2017 • 5:16:00am

re: #67 Targetpractice

A couple of stories on the sidebar are gonna come back to haunt the Tories. The first is people pointing out how Corbyn actually met with survivors of the fire and offered hugs and assurances, while May “met” with some firefighters in direct earshot of their superiors. And the second is people digging up how Boris Johnson, when he was Mayor of London, cut 8 fire stations and over 500+ firefighter jobs, then responded to an MP bringing that up in open session by telling him to “get stuffed.”

Johnson actually said that cutting *fire resources made people safer. What planet these people live on I do not know.

Tories are going to be fucked big time. The Guardian had an editorial I read last night about Tory fetish with cutting funding and putting people in positions who are not qualified (right wingers are apparently the same worldwide).

All the editorials at the Guardian have been absolutely brutal.

And Trump, happy to not just continue the trend but escalate it to a truly epitomic state, put a wedding planner with no experience other than planning events - who lied about her less than stellar educational background - in charge of NY/NJ housing having a multi-billion dollar budget.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 5:17:50am

re: #72 Eventual Carrion

Nothing worse than opening a fortune cookie and it is empty.

It’s even more confusing when you get two contradictory ones. I have also gotten blank sheets (I’m not sure what those mean… .)

Darn lotto numbers on the back don’t work for me. There are Websites of people who claim to have won with those numbers.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 5:18:48am

re: #73 MsJ

Johnson actually said that cutting *fire resources made people safer. What planet these people live on I do not know.

Is there a county named “Kansas” on the Isle of Great Britain?

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BigPapa  Jun 16, 2017 • 5:19:03am

re: #68 The Vicious Babushka

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2017 • 5:23:24am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2017 • 5:27:14am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 5:27:22am

re: #77 The Vicious Babushka

LOL. “Send wine.”

[calligrapher hat] In the case of many ancient parchments, vellum, and other writing surfaces, the material was very expensive or difficult to obtain. As such, it would be re-used. (The last piece of vellum I purchased for a calligraphy project cost over a hundred dollars. I would re-use it if I needed to.) [/calligrapher hat]

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2017 • 5:29:31am

re: #77 The Vicious Babushka

That’s awesome. Seriously, that’s awesome.

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2017 • 5:35:14am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Came across this tweet this morning, and I proffered my response accordingly.

Carson is a know-nothing savant whose only area of expertise is brain surgery. He doesn’t have a clue about housing and urban development; you aren’t experienced simply because you lived in a city or a home. If that were the case, then almost anyone has the requisite experience, and that’s simply nonsense.

Carson doesn’t know the first thing about housing and urban development programs and policies, because he’s admitted as much. He’s a figurehead who’s intention is to sabotage functioning programs. So who did Trump nominate for a key role - running the feds’ NY programs (which is one of the nation’s largest HUD programs by dollar and persons affected)? Not someone who knows the ins and outs of housing policy, but …

wait for it.
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.
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A event planner?

I have more experience and knowledge about housing programs in NYC. Heck, I’ve forgotten more about housing and urban development programs in NYC than this person has. So of course the GOP will rubber stamp this bullshit because of course they will. It’s what they do. They don’t give a shit that they’re intentionally sabotaging functioning programs; because failing govt programs is the means by which they’ll enact ever more savage cuts to the federal budget.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 16, 2017 • 5:38:26am

re: #65 Timothy Watson

So that’s why America is so pissed off. Everyone quit smoking!

//

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 5:40:05am

Town celebration next week …

Facebook Post

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wheat-dogg  Jun 16, 2017 • 5:40:14am

re: #81 lawhawk

Jennifer Lopez, who has only played a wedding planner in a movie, could probably do a better job.

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jeffreyw  Jun 16, 2017 • 5:42:15am

Imgur
Good morning!

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Myron Falwell  Jun 16, 2017 • 5:51:14am

re: #48 wheat-dogg

Ark Encounter is failing because (1) it’s lame and (2) it’s in the middle of nowhere. The only people who visit it are busloads of Christianists from nearby states, who probably pay a discount price.

If Ham goes bankrupt, I will not weep.

My ex-girlfriend — early in our off-again, on-again relationship — became a born-again Christian, and got suckered into the Ken Hamm bull, hard.

She eventually married someone else, and they celebrated either their 11-month or 13-month anniversary (I forget) by going to the Grifters R Us Ark. From the pictures I saw, they looked like they were the only people there.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 5:53:51am

Rant about extended warranty insurance company:

I used to own a front-loading washing machine, which I purchased from the Navy Exchange for $1,200 when we still lived in Oklahoma.

When we moved out in the middle-of-nowhere western Nebraska, it worked fine for a while, then failed.

The manufacturer sent out a mechanic (which is really expensive to do here, but that was the insurance problem, not ours), who after more than a dozen trips and over $3,000 of service and parts, recommended to the manufacturer the machine be condemned.

They agreed, and sent us a cheque for $700 (based on depreciation of the machine).

That was fine.

The manufacturer wanted us to send the washing machine to their engineering department so they could figure out why it was still failing (which we would have done) at our expense (which we declined with prejudice).

Since that time a couple years ago, the insurance company sent us over fifty letters to renew our extended warranty insurance. After I responded to the first twelve or so saying we no longer own the machine (sent to a recycler), they still write asking for money. (I got another yesterday.)

I’ve called them, I’ve written them, nada. They do not remove me from their mailing list (which you’d think they’d do, since postage costs them money.)

What the heck do I have to do here to get them to stop making a pitch for a washing machine I don’t own any more? (The 1943 Speed Queen wringer washer I own works fine so we’re not without a washing machine.)

Any help figuring out how to get off an appliance insurance company’s mailing list for an appliance I no longer own would be appreciated… .

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BigPapa  Jun 16, 2017 • 5:56:21am

Amazing ignorance in picking candidates for positions. Many felt selecting a businessman for public office was a good idea, especially because he was an outsider. This belies the base rationale behind it: government sucks.

Imagine you are selecting a plumber to perform work in your house: how about I hire my waiter at my favorite restaurant.

Need electrical work? I think I’ll hire my dog walker.

Need brain surgery? Let’s hire a secretary from HUD.

None of this makes any sense unless you’re operating from a rationale of desperation and fear, if not hate.

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2017 • 5:57:25am

re: #87 Anymouse 🌹

Contact your state’s Dept of Consumer Affairs? Or the State Insurance Dept? Indicate that you’re getting nonstop solicitations and that it constitutes harassment given that you’ve repeatedly indicated in writing and on the phone you no longer own the item in question.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 16, 2017 • 5:58:18am

re: #87 Anymouse 🌹

Rant about extended warranty insurance company:

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Any help figuring out how to get off an appliance insurance company’s mailing list for an appliance I no longer own would be appreciated… .

One of my friend said he would just return the mail marked “Recipient deceased” and said that would work, but that was back in the pre-email days.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 5:59:12am

re: #88 BigPapa

Amazing ignorance in picking candidates for positions. Many felt selecting a businessman for public office was a good idea, especially because he was an outsider. This belies the base rationale behind it: government sucks.

Imagine you are selecting a plumber to perform work in your house: how about I hire my waiter at my favorite restaurant.

Need electrical work? I think I’ll hire my dog walker.

Need brain surgery? Let’s hire a secretary from HUD.

None of this makes any sense unless you’re operating from a rationale of desperation and fear, if not hate.

Yes.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:01:45am

Dave Armstrong, former mayor of Louisville, KY, and former state AG, has died, aged 75.

courier-journal.com

Armstrong was the last mayor of the City of Louisville before the city and Jefferson County merged their governments back in the early 2000’s. He was well respected by member of both parties.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:01:53am

re: #88 BigPapa

Or operating from Reagan’s premise that “government is the problem.”

It doesn’t have to be fear, it only has to be a belief (unfounded or not) that government is the reason your problems exist. If that’s your belief, then destruction of governmental institutions (especially from the inside) would be a net gain.

It is libertarianism on steroids, and the Republican Party is way better at it than the Libertarian Party (since the GOP can get elected and the LP cannot for the most part).

Somalia is my go-to libertarian paradise, since after its Marxist government was overthrown, it was explicitly set up as a libertarian government. Chile under Pinochet is right behind that.

Trading away flawed but improvable government institutions will always result in the most powerful (and best-armed) group seizing power. In the case of Somalia, it was the Islamic Courts Union, followed by civil war and the rise of Al Shabab.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:04:00am

re: #87 Anymouse 🌹

File against them in Small Claims court.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:04:30am

re: #90 wheat-dogg

One of my friend said he would just return the mail marked “Recipient deceased” and said that would work, but that was back in the pre-email days.

Well, if I took the letter to the postmistress here in town, she would probably look at me funny. “You sure look good for a deceased mail recipient.”

I don’t know what’s up with these folks, since I’ve returned their applications over a dozen times with the annotation “I don’t own this machine any more, it was condemned.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:05:48am

re: #94 Eclectic Cyborg

File against them in Small Claims court.

They aren’t costing me any money. Nothing to claim. Just clutter in my mailbox and something I need to put in the “shred before reading” pile now.

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MsJ  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:07:16am

re: #84 wheat-dogg

Jennifer Lopez, who has only played a wedding planner in a movie, could probably do a better job.

Truly. She’s at least used to the kind of money involved. /

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:07:49am
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MsJ  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:08:50am

re: #87 Anymouse 🌹

Put them in your email spam filter. If your email provider offers it as an option, block them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:09:50am

re: #89 lawhawk

Contact your state’s Dept of Consumer Affairs? Or the State Insurance Dept? Indicate that you’re getting nonstop solicitations and that it constitutes harassment given that you’ve repeatedly indicated in writing and on the phone you no longer own the item in question.

I’ll try that. There is no on-line complaint form I can see (most Nebraskans outside cities do not have Internet service available), so I’ll write them a letter.

dhhs.ne.gov

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:09:57am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:10:08am

re: #88 BigPapa

Amazing ignorance in picking candidates for positions. Many felt selecting a businessman for public office was a good idea, especially because he was an outsider. This belies the base rationale behind it: government sucks.

Imagine you are selecting a plumber to perform work in your house: how about I hire my waiter at my favorite restaurant.

Need electrical work? I think I’ll hire my dog walker.

Need brain surgery? Let’s hire a secretary from HUD.

None of this makes any sense unless you’re operating from a rationale of desperation and fear, if not hate.

It makes sense if your ultimate goal is to do away with these agencies altogether. Appoint some random unqualified idiot who is certain to fuck everything up.

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MsJ  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:10:44am

re: #81 lawhawk

It’s even worse than just being an event planner. She lied about having a JD (first educational lie) and she lied about graduating from Yale (or Princeton, I don’t remember which - but a different lie than the first lie).

IOW, she is just the kind of person Trump loves. A liar with little experience who kisses ass properly (lots of tongue).

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:10:55am
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:11:18am

re: #68 The Vicious Babushka

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Yes! Impeach President Hillary Clinton!

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:11:24am

re: #101 darthstar

That didn’t display how I wanted it to…

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Dr. Matt  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:11:53am

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:12:13am

re: #98 lawhawk

I’m not sure that the Emoluments Clause would apply to Jared Kushner, since he is not an elected or appointed official.

That said, they might get him on criminal charges such as racketeering or money-laundering. It also might bring up New York issues regarding his business entanglements with a state charge.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:12:38am

Hello,
Just ‘cause Jared is in the news again…

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:13:08am
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MsJ  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:13:42am

re: #101 darthstar

Wait, wait, wait…I thought Trump *wasn’t* under investigation. Didn’t he say that (over and over and over and over….) again? Now he’s been under investigation for 7 months? I think he just did major damage to the whole Mueller investigation because this looks like an admission to me of trying to stop an investigation (otherwise known as Obstruction of Justice).

He just can’t stop tripping over his dick tie.

And thank god he’s a moron.

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:13:45am

What the fuck does that latest tweet even mean? I’m being investigated by the dude that told me to fire the dude.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:14:10am

re: #112 darthstar

What the fuck does that latest tweet even mean? I’m being investigated by the dude that told me to fire the dude.

Lester Holt?

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Mike Lamb  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:14:12am

re: #77 The Vicious Babushka

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I hope they re-used that. The party was long over by the time they finished the inscription.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:14:27am

re: #110 darthstar

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Wait…he’s saying that Mueller told him to fire Comey? I really doubt that.

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Pineapple Pizzagate  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:14:31am

re: #88 BigPapa

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MsJ  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:15:28am

re: #112 darthstar

What the fuck does that latest tweet even mean? I’m being investigated by the dude that told me to fire the dude.

I think he just took a shit on Sessions.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:15:35am

I think he’s suggesting Rothenstein but who knows. This is really pathetic.

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:15:37am
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darthstar  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:16:02am

re: #115 Timothy Watson

Wait…he’s saying that Mueller told him to fire Comey? I really doubt that.

That’s what he’s saying…yes. Amazeballs.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:16:53am

re: #109 Unshaken Defiance

Hello,
Just ‘cause Jared is in the news again…

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I prefer “The Galleria of Bribery”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:17:22am

They really need to change the WiFi password to PutinPuppetLoser.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:17:41am

You notice in that previous tweet: No denials or profession of innocence, just bitching about the purported lack of proof.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:19:07am

I’m going to enjoy seeing him go down.

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:19:44am
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darthstar  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:20:29am

re: #123 Eclectic Cyborg

You notice in that previous tweet: No denials or profession of innocence, just bitching about the purported lack of proof.

“You got nothin’ on me!” isn’t the most eloquent defense.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:21:08am

re: #125 darthstar

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I really think McCain is suffering from TIAs.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:21:46am

re: #110 darthstar

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Mike Lamb  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:22:14am

re: #110 darthstar

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Except you went on national TV and said Comey was getting fired no matter what Rosenstein put in the memo and that you fired Comey due to the Russia investigation. You fucking imbecile.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:22:27am

Huck on Fox just now claiming a conspiracy to make up fake leaks to take down Trump—“will lead to anarchy.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:23:26am

Feel good thing just happened here, will note it to the garbage collection company my village contracts:

The company in question collects garbage from our village’s Dumpsters twice a month.

They just passed through the alley behind my house, and when the garbage truck picked up the Dumpster, a bunch of trash fell out in the alley.

The workers jumped out of their truck and picked up all the trash from the alley before they continued their route.

I think that deserves a letter (paper, stamp, the whole shebang) to the company about their employees’ conscientiousness.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:23:44am

re: #130 Barefoot Grin

Huck on Fox just now claiming a conspiracy to make up fake leaks to take down Trump—“will lead to anarchy.”

How much is he paying you Huck?

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Mike Lamb  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:25:22am

re: #120 darthstar

That’s what he’s saying…yes. Amazeballs.

No, Rosenstein.

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BigPapa  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:25:57am

re: #112 darthstar

What the fuck does that latest tweet even mean? I’m being investigated by the dude that told me to fire the dude.

Ferris wheel cat food sweep the kale slurpee.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:26:12am

re: #133 Mike Lamb

No, Rosenstein.

But Rosenstein isn’t investigating him even if he did appoint the special counsel…

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:26:21am

This is Baghdad Bob and “I am not a crook” rolled into one tweet.

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:26:28am

re: #130 Barefoot Grin

Anarchy is what Trump’s already achieved without any help or effort by any conspiracy.

Trump hasn’t bothered to nominate anyone for 100s of key positions throughout the US government. When he has nominated people, they’ve been incompetent know nothings who are ignorant, incompetent, or both. Worse, some have been intent on gutting the very departments they were nominated to run (sabotaging from the inside).

The GOP essentially rubber stamped each and every one of those nominations. They have enabled this anarchy.

Of course Congressional GOPers are in no better shape to run things, because their only goal is destroying government as we know it to provide tax cuts for the rich. Indeed, just this morning it was reported that Orin Hatch indicated that the GOP is looking to loosen the requirement that any tax plan has to be balanced over a 10 year period (looking for ways to maximize tax cuts without balancing the budget) as a way to get around the regular order.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:26:53am

re: #132 HappyWarrior

How much is he paying you Huck?

Trump gave Huck’s talent-less daughter a job.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:27:44am

re: #134 BigPapa

Ferris wheel cat food sweep the kale slurpee.

Stolen without credit. /s

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Mike Lamb  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:28:04am

re: #135 Timothy Watson

But Rosenstein isn’t investigating him even if he did appoint the special counsel…

President dip shit is conflating those things.

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:28:34am

re: #128 Myron Falwell

Awesome…Presidential looking Presidential statements.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:28:45am

re: #138 wheat-dogg

Trump gave Huck’s talent-less daughter a job.

Yep.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:28:57am

re: #138 wheat-dogg

Trump gave Huck’s talent-less daughter a job.

She seems pretty talented at lying, at least more so than Spicer.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:30:23am
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MsJ  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:30:51am
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:31:35am

re: #137 lawhawk

Anarchy is what Trump’s already achieved without any help or effort by any conspiracy.

Trump hasn’t bothered to nominate anyone for 100s of key positions throughout the US government. When he has nominated people, they’ve been incompetent know nothings who are ignorant, incompetent, or both. Worse, some have been intent on gutting the very departments they were nominated to run (sabotaging from the inside).

The GOP essentially rubber stamped each and every one of those nominations. They have enabled this anarchy.

Of course Congressional GOPers are in no better shape to run things, because their only goal is destroying government as we know it to provide tax cuts for the rich. Indeed, just this morning it was reported that Orin Hatch indicated that the GOP is looking to loosen the requirement that any tax plan has to be balanced over a 10 year period (looking for ways to maximize tax cuts without balancing the budget) as a way to get around the regular order.

These are deeply cynical people. If they get away with it it will be years before we recover.

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MsJ  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:31:44am

re: #144 Dr. Matt

Trump’s #FridayFeeling is a tantrum.

Oh, so the same Feeling as Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:32:01am

re: #137 lawhawk

They want a libertarian paradise. Somalia has no effective taxation, and they want that for us.

They do not care if it destroys the country or if it is swarmed by armed militias.

They would destroy their own power as Representatives and Senators to bring this about.

Their 1% supporters wealth would be worthless, but they actually don’t care about that either. I don’t understand why the wealthy don’t pull their support: A collapse of the nation (and the dollar) would render most of them without wealth.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:32:55am

re: #147 MsJ

Oh, so the same Feeling as Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday?

Yeah. Pretty much. But he seems to have a bit extra gusto in his pampers today.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:33:12am

re: #143 Timothy Watson

She seems pretty talented in lying, at least more so than Spicer.

That seems to be a trait of a lot of self-proclaimed Christians.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:35:10am

re: #68 The Vicious Babushka

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And he’s off! More to come!

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MsJ  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:35:30am

re: #148 Anymouse 🌹

They want a libertarian paradise. Somalia has no effective taxation, and they want that for us.

They do not care if it destroys the country or if it is swarmed by armed militias.

They would destroy their own power as Representatives and Senators to bring this about.

Their 1% supporters wealth would be worthless, but they actually don’t care about that either. I don’t understand why the wealthy don’t pull their support: A collapse of the nation (and the dollar) would render most of them without wealth.

Which is why none of this makes sense. I suppose they could divest of USD and go to Euros (since the Pound is pretty fucked and not getting better any time soon, just the opposite). It makes no economic sense to me no matter how I look at it.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:36:49am

At least we have some good news today…

Facebook Post

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MsJ  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:39:10am

Someone needs to explain to me why Fox isn’t being charged with sedition. Seriously.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:41:32am

re: #154 MsJ

No such laws still exist.

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MsJ  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:41:32am

Can I throw up now or should I wait a while?

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wheat-dogg  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:42:08am

re: #143 Timothy Watson

She seems pretty talented at lying, at least more so than Spicer.

I noticed she’s fond of wearing a pretty ghastly outfit with foliage on it.

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BigPapa  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:42:19am

I’m getting that Friday News Dump pre-excitement excitement. Come on baby, gimme gimme.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:43:00am

Youtube down? I can’t get it in any browser right now.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:43:03am

re: #145 MsJ

I think what happened is, Trump fired Comey impulsively, and is lying through his teeth blaming others because he got caught. Rothenstein and Sessions are not that stupid… it just doesn’t pass the sniff test with me.

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:43:23am
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:43:52am

re: #159 Barefoot Grin

Youtube down? I can’t get it in any browser right now.

Nevermind. It’s working again.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:43:56am

re: #154 MsJ

Thing is the collision with the 1st. When we did have such laws, attached to an espionage act abuses wee common. WW1 era.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:44:29am

re: #156 MsJ

Can I throw up now or should I wait a while?

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Nugent can go eat a bag of dicks.

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MsJ  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:45:12am

re: #155 Unshaken Defiance

No such laws still exist.

Really? Huckabee (and the entirety of Fox) is consistently calling for rising up against the government (generally Democrats) or anarchy? Not saying it meets the criteria but it could be argued.

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103-322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:45:58am

re: #152 MsJ

Which is why none of this makes sense. I suppose they could divest of USD and go to Euros (since the Pound is pretty fucked and not getting better any time soon, just the opposite). It makes no economic sense to me no matter how I look at it.

That goes back to the idea that our economy in the last many decades has done better under Democrats than Republicans.

The only thing I can see is something else going on: Such people want to impose their social or moral issues more than they value their wealth.

Folk like the Koch Brothers have to know that an unstable nation would destroy their own wealth.

People like the DeVos family are quite clear that they want a theocracy over their own wealth.

The GOP seems the vehicle most likely to provide a theocratic/libertarian nation.

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:46:43am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:47:13am

re: #159 Barefoot Grin

Youtube down? I can’t get it in any browser right now.

I’m viewing a YouTube video right now.

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makeitstop  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:47:19am

re: #30 goddamnedfrank

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A late competitor enters the ring…
Women’s one-piece bathing suit modeled after hairy male body

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MsJ  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:47:50am

re: #160 Myron Falwell

I think what happened is, Trump fired Comey impulsively, and is lying through his teeth blaming others because he got caught. Rothenstein and Sessions are not that stupid… it just doesn’t pass the sniff test with me.

I watched Sessions the other day. He certainly doesn’t come off as being all that bright.

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freetoken  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:48:23am

re: #165 MsJ

The freedom of speech protects hypothetical or conjectured actions against the US. Fox, for all their badness, can claim they are simply exercising that right.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:49:30am

re: #165 MsJ

I hear you, it’s just that conversation, free speech when met with the likes of Fox, well it’s not free speech that needs change. Look to the other side. Can you imagine the abuse a Trump Presidency could make of that against the likes of Olbermann?

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:49:32am

re: #169 makeitstop

A late competitor enters the ring…
Women’s one-piece bathing suit modeled after hairy male body

That’s what I thought of when I saw the other romper. LOL.

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MsJ  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:50:15am

re: #171 freetoken

The freedom of speech protects hypothetical or conjectured actions against the US. Fox, for all their badness, can claim they are simply exercising that right.

Except for yelling fire in a theatre.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:52:20am

re: #173 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

That’s what I thought of when I saw the other romper. LOL.

I would prefer seeing a hairy bathing suit over a Kim Jong Un romper, but your mileage may vary.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:54:59am

re: #171 freetoken

The freedom of speech protects hypothetical or conjectured actions against the US. Fox, for all their badness, can claim they are simply exercising that right.

Well, you’re left with the claim of advocating sedition or insurrection. That is not protected speech.

It is really too bad that Bill O’Reilly was not dragged through the courts for his incitement to kill Dr. Tiller with his speech accusing him of killing babies.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:55:49am
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Belafon  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:56:31am

#174 MsJ

Contrary to what people like to say, yelling fire in a theater is not actually against the law.

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makeitstop  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:57:30am

re: #120 darthstar

That’s what he’s saying…yes. Amazeballs.

I’m reading it more like he’s tossing Rosenstein under the bus.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 16, 2017 • 6:58:34am

re: #179 makeitstop

I’m reading it more like he’s tossing Rosenstein under the bus.

“You’re fired!” — He still thinks he’s on TV.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:00:10am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:02:08am

re: #178 Belafon

#174 MsJ

Contrary to what people like to say, yelling fire in a theater is not actually against the law.

Yelling “fire” in a theatre is not. Falsely yelling fire in a theatre is in fact something that can be brought to a court (if it causes a riot or stampede).

A case decided nearly a hundred years ago by the Supreme Court concerning advocating against WW1 is cited. (In that case, decided 9-0, advocating against the draft or against US participation in the war was considered a national security issue. On the more local issue of yelling “fire” in a theatre falsely, if it causes property damage, a riot, or injury, that in fact can be prosecuted.)

en.wikipedia.org

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:04:41am
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:06:23am

re: #168 Anymouse 🌹

I’m viewing a YouTube video right now.

I was getting the “internal 500 error—we’re sending a team of monkeys” message for a few minutes, but I just watched what I wanted to see.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:07:20am

In a putative case of falsely shouting “fire” in a crowded theatre, the standard is no different than falsely claiming there is a dirty bomb in the Port of Charleston (as noted above in a comment above on the list).

It is the false claim which causes panic, economic damage, physical damage, or injury that is illegal.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:07:43am
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:08:04am

re: #179 makeitstop

I’m reading it more like he’s tossing Rosenstein under the bus.

Seems likely that Rosenstein will have to recuse himself if he is part of Mueller’s investigation. Yes?

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:10:50am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:10:55am

re: #188 Barefoot Grin

Seems likely that Rosenstein will have to recuse himself if he is part of Mueller’s investigation. Yes?

That depends on if Rosenstein is actually being investigated, or Trump pulled something of his -redacted- to smear him. That should be something Mr. Mueller can determine fairly quickly.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:11:30am

re: #190 Anymouse 🌹

That depends on if Rosenstein is actually being investigated, or Trump pulled something of his -redacted- to smear him. That should be something Mr. Mueller can determine fairly quickly.

Interesting.

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freetoken  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:11:40am

re: #189 darthstar

Is that in regards to something Maggie wrote?

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:13:29am
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darthstar  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:14:18am

re: #192 freetoken

Is that in regards to something Maggie wrote?

I think she’s implying it’s in regards to something the President tweeted.

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:14:20am

re: #193 darthstar

Trump has a tweet for everything… including his own incompetence while as president.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:15:50am
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freetoken  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:15:51am

re: #194 darthstar

It’s probably the Rosenstein referencing tweet?

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:15:54am

re: #195 lawhawk

Trump has a tweet for everything… including his own incompetence while as president.

I almost had a “holy shit” moment until I saw the date.

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:16:17am
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Stanley Sea  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:16:38am

re: #145 MsJ

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He’s referring to the letter that Rod wrote. He’s back to using that as the reason he fired Comey.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:17:47am

re: #200 Stanley Sea

He’s referring to the letter that Rod wrote. He’s back to using that as the reason he fired Comey.

Metaphorically, he’s at the “chew his own paw off to get out of the trap” stage.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:18:21am

re: #199 darthstar

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“Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked.”

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:19:26am
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:19:50am

re: #202 Timothy Watson

“Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked.”

Love it. Almost time to see that again.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:21:23am

TWEET TO VICTORY!!!

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sagehen  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:21:28am

re: #196 FormerDirtDart

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thread

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:21:30am

re: #202 Timothy Watson

“Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked.”

Turtles all the way down.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:21:44am
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wheat-dogg  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:21:49am

Not sure if this is good or bad.

Amazon to buy Whole Foods Market in deal valued at $13.7 billion
washingtonpost.com

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:22:03am

I don’t think he knows we can see how many followers he has.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:22:37am

re: #205 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

TWEET TO VICTORY!!!

Wingnut who got 16% against Paul Ryan in the GOP primary in 2016.

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:23:38am
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freetoken  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:24:10am

re: #209 wheat-dogg

Well, Whole Foods can now offer the WaPo at premium prices on the magazine rack on the checkout line.

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:24:49am

re: #110 darthstar

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
I am being investigated for firing the FBI Director by the man who told me to fire the FBI Director! Witch Hunt
9:07 AM - 16 Jun 2017
14,505 14,505 Retweets 40,478 40,478 likes

Would that be the FBI Director who you said on a national TV interview you had planned on firing even before you had the man who told you to fire the FBI Director tell you to fire the FBI Director?

I guess his interview with Lester Holt was too long ago. However, it seems to be mentioned almost every time Comey’s firing comes up in the news so he should be constantly reminded.

Oh that’s right, he watches Fox News. That makes it all different.

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freetoken  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:24:59am

I use Amazon quite a bit. I do not however use Prime Locker, as I never buy enough food at one time to make it worthwhile.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:25:57am
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wheat-dogg  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:26:23am

re: #212 darthstar

First, it’s Dworkin. Second, anyone who misuses #Breaking I automatically ignore.

Grenfell Tower on fire was breaking news. Lawyer’s clients are not breaking news. Breaking is not shorthand for “Hey, guys! Look at what I just found out!”

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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:26:49am

re: #208 FormerDirtDart

is Newt admonishing or trying to assert a general fact?

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:27:37am
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Myron Falwell  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:27:37am

re: #166 Anymouse 🌹

That goes back to the idea that our economy in the last many decades has done better under Democrats than Republicans.

The only thing I can see is something else going on: Such people want to impose their social or moral issues more than they value their wealth.

Folk like the Koch Brothers have to know that an unstable nation would destroy their own wealth.

People like the DeVos family are quite clear that they want a theocracy over their own wealth.

The GOP seems the vehicle most likely to provide a theocratic/libertarian nation.

All of them want a theocracy as long as they are the people in charge, and no one challenges their rule.

What they fail to comprehend is the possibility that they could get thrown out by the same people they roused into anger — the MORON LUBE crowd, as it were.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:28:29am

re: #196 FormerDirtDart

It’s all about the votes. Substance? Nah.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:28:30am

re: #166 Anymouse 🌹

That goes back to the idea that our economy in the last many decades has done better under Democrats than Republicans.

The only thing I can see is something else going on: Such people want to impose their social or moral issues more than they value their wealth.

Folk like the Koch Brothers have to know that an unstable nation would destroy their own wealth.

People like the DeVos family are quite clear that they want a theocracy over their own wealth.

The GOP seems the vehicle most likely to provide a theocratic/libertarian nation.

The Koch Bros are libertarians not theocrats. Their only concern is maximizing their wealth during their lifetime, not the future of the planet or the country. They certainly know that climate change is real but they are afraid that if the government takes any action to save the planet, it would affect their bottom line. They may not be as smart as they think they are — that seems to be a common failing among libertarians. It’s not until their whole endeavor collapses around them that they temporarily awake and demand help from the government.

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:28:57am

re: #115 Timothy Watson

Wait…he’s saying that Mueller told him to fire Comey? I really doubt that.

I think he is trying desperately to slime Rod Rosenstein as it was Rosenstein that appointed Meuller, so in a strange Trumpian way that makes Rosenstein the guy that is investigating him and told him to fire Comey.

I think Donny is under just a wee-bit of pressure. It will get nuttier.

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darthstar  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:29:23am

So now Trump’s saying he won’t testify under oath before Congress…nobody could have predicted that.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:29:38am

re: #209 wheat-dogg

Not sure if this is good or bad.

Amazon to buy Whole Foods Market in deal valued at $13.7 billion
washingtonpost.com

I saw a tweet:

“Alexa, please ship an 19.00 chunk of cheese”

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:30:05am

re: #209 wheat-dogg

Not sure if this is good or bad.

Amazon to buy Whole Foods Market in deal valued at $13.7 billion
washingtonpost.com

Great for Amazon, which acquires a distribution source in upscale neighborhoods for same day delivery of food.

Bad for many supermarket chains, which will either play catchup on delivery services, or aren’t offering them. The squeeze will be on supermarkets which already have thin profit margins.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:30:41am

re: #209 wheat-dogg

Not sure if this is good or bad.

Amazon to buy Whole Foods Market in deal valued at $13.7 billion
washingtonpost.com

Whole Foods biggest problems is that I can get organic stuff at fucking Wal-Mart now.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:31:04am

re: #176 Anymouse 🌹

Well, you’re left with the claim of advocating sedition or insurrection. That is not protected speech.

It is really too bad that Bill O’Reilly was not dragged through the courts for his incitement to kill Dr. Tiller with his speech accusing him of killing babies.

In theory, had the Fairness Doctrine continued to exist, Fox News would have been exempt from it, as the doctrine never applied to CATV, satellite or the internet (plus the GOP rank-and-file would have assured it never had been amended).

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:32:24am

re: #135 Timothy Watson

But Rosenstein isn’t investigating him even if he did appoint the special counsel…

You guys are trying to be logical. This is Trump you are talking about. Logic escapes him, his supporters and everything now in Trump world.

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covfefe  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:32:52am

re: #227 Ace-o-aces

Even Aldi.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:34:05am

re: #227 Ace-o-aces

Whole Foods biggest problems is that I can get organic stuff at fucking Wal-Mart now.

But then you’ll have to be with the common riff-raff!

/ (half)

They’ve also been getting a lot of competition from Trader Joe’s.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:36:20am

re: #230 covfefe

Even Aldi.

Don’t forget, Aldi owns Trader Joe’s, and sells Trader Joe’s products at Aldi stores internationally (plus Europe has two different, yet seemingly identical, Aldi chains - Aldi Nord and Aldi Sud).

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:36:31am

re: #145 MsJ

MsJoanne @MsJoanne
@joshtpm I don’t think it’s Rod, Josh, I think it’s Sessions. Do you think Rod told him to fire Comey?
9:30 AM - 16 Jun 2017
Retweets likes

Rod Rosenstein wrote the letter Trump used to justify the firing. He is simply saying Rod told him (in the letter) to fire Comey.

He’s tossing everyone under the bus now. It will increase in both bus backing over people and Donny losing his mind. This is going to get ugly. We are only in the beginning stages.

(Sorry for being behind…but Imma gone have fun with Donny one way or ‘nother.)

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freetoken  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:38:48am

Amazon wouldn’t buy Whole Foods if it didn’t think it could make money.

Probably the brand is going to be pushed quite a bit on Prime.

Who wouldn’t rather buy something with the wholesome name of “Whole Foods”? Would you rather want “partial foods”??

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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:41:13am

re: #135 Timothy Watson

But Rosenstein isn’t investigating him even if he did appoint the special counsel…

I AM NOT UNDER INVESTIGATION I AM NOT UNDER INVESTIGATION OK I AM UNDER INVESTIGATION BUT NOT FAIR WITCH HUNT! ILLEGAL!

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freetoken  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:42:28am

Roaming around Youtube, there appears to be a blooming of fusion between creationism, “race realism”, fundamentalist Christianity (of all stripes, not just American Evangelical), and so on.

Kind of disturbing.

We’ve always had the nut groups, the atavists, they hyper-religious. None of this is new to the US.

Yet tools like Youtube and Twitter are enabling an admixture of nuttery at a tempo not seen before.

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ChuckJager95  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:44:22am
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sagehen  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:45:18am

re: #209 wheat-dogg

Not sure if this is good or bad.

Amazon to buy Whole Foods Market in deal valued at $13.7 billion
washingtonpost.com

It means you can buy your Whole Foods groceries on-line, without having to go to the store.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:46:25am

re: #234 freetoken

Amazon wouldn’t buy Whole Foods if it didn’t think it could make money.

Probably the brand is going to be pushed quite a bit on Prime.

Who wouldn’t rather buy something with the wholesome name of “Whole Foods”? Would you rather want “partial foods”??

Amazon is leveraging the WaPo brand a lot. I usually get Prime e-mails promoting the Post’s digital content.

There exists a good potential for synergy among all platforms — Amazon/Alexa/Kindle kiosks and print WaPo sales at Whole Foods, just for starters.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:48:48am

FYI: A flock of crickets have invaded my home, and are loudly letting me know I need to move out. Gaa.

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:48:54am

re: #234 freetoken

Amazon wouldn’t buy Whole Foods if it didn’t think it could make money.

Probably the brand is going to be pushed quite a bit on Prime.

Who wouldn’t rather buy something with the wholesome name of “Whole Foods”? Would you rather want “partial foods”??

Well, they do have a reputation for not only being whole but costing a whole lot. And then there was their stupid single packaging of something like a banana in a plastic package.

So I guess if you get past some of their “reputation” you might be able to actually think they are actually wholesome.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:48:56am

Will the grumpy hipsterish folks who work at Whole Foods feel conflicted?

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covfefe  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:49:20am

re: #240 Anymouse 🌹

FYI: A flock of crickets have invaded my home, and are loudly letting me know I need to move out. Gaa.

You can counter that with a bunch of bearded dragons. :D

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:49:47am
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sagehen  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:50:34am

re: #222 Hecuba’s daughter

The Koch Bros are libertarians not theocrats. Their only concern is maximizing their wealth during their lifetime, not the future of the planet or the country. They certainly know that climate change is real but they are afraid that if the government takes any action to save the planet, it would affect their bottom line. They may not be as smart as they think they are — that seems to be a common failing among libertarians. It’s not until their whole endeavor collapses around them that they temporarily awake and demand help from the government.

More than half the Koch brothers’ net worth is untapped reserves. A majority of the rest is pipelines, refineries, and tankers. The more the world shifts to solar and wind, the less their assets are worth. And if we put a moratorium on new drilling, they’re downgraded from the 3rd/4th richest men in America to about 397th/398th. This is their entire motivation.

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:51:02am
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FormerDirtDart  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:55:21am
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makeitstop  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:56:56am

re: #182 Dr. Matt

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Eric Garland rocks.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 7:57:22am

re: #245 sagehen

More than half the Koch brothers’ net worth is untapped reserves. A majority of the rest is pipelines, refineries, and tankers. The more the world shifts to solar and wind, the less their assets are worth. And if we put a moratorium on new drilling, they’re downgraded from the 3rd/4th richest men in America to about 397th/398th. This is their entire motivation.

If spinning religious wingnuts up to support them (and the so-called Prosperity Gospel supports the idea that God favours the Koch Brothers), Charles and David will use that tool if they think it will advance their own agenda.

I’m out for now, I need sleep. G’day, y’all. Catch you later… .

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:02:37am
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Dr. Matt  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:08:04am
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De Kolta Chair  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:11:56am
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Dr. Matt  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:12:18am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:14:02am

re: #253 Dr. Matt

So much winning. So. Much.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:14:45am

re: #254 Sir John Barron

So much winning. So. Much.

I am really tired of all this winning.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:14:49am

re: #251 Dr. Matt

America, living the nightmare for two years.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:15:25am
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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:16:15am

re: #253 Dr. Matt

Sarah Huckabee ✔ @SarahHuckabee
When you’re attacking FBI agents because you’re under criminal investigation, you’re losing


3:12 PM - 3 Nov 2016
10,826 10,826 Retweets 11,224 11,224 likes

Oops.

This tweet would be embarrassing for anyone capable of being embarrassed. Does anyone like that exist in Trump’s White House?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:16:21am

Normally, I’m against violence, but I think we should put together a crowdfunding effort to pay for Bill Clinton to fly to wherever Noot is and punch him in the dick.

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makeitstop  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:17:07am

re: #240 Anymouse 🌹

FYI: A flock of crickets have invaded my home, and are loudly letting me know I need to move out. Gaa.

I propose a new term -

A jiminy of crickets

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Stanley Sea  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:17:37am

No shit

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BlackPearl  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:17:42am

re: #236 freetoken

Roaming around Youtube, there appears to be a blooming of fusion between creationism, “race realism”, fundamentalist Christianity (of all stripes, not just American Evangelical), and so on.

Kind of disturbing.

We’ve always had the nut groups, the atavists, they hyper-religious. None of this is new to the US.

Yet tools like Youtube and Twitter are enabling an admixture of nuttery at a tempo not seen before.

Yes, the internet is letting the nuts find each other faster, but that fusion has been going on for decades. Google “Vision Forum” sometime, and especially enjoy the years of analysis/snark on Free Jinger. (Hi, mmmirele!)

There is a ton of creationism/”race realism”/Lost Cause dogma being fed to fundies as part of the Word of God.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:19:05am

re: #261 Stanley Sea

No shit

[Embedded content]

You gotta start small with these things. Start by claiming you killed the #3 guy. That’s a pretty safe claim to make.

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covfefe  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:23:27am

re: #261 Stanley Sea

No way he is in Syria or Iraq.

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makeitstop  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:29:07am

re: #263 Blind Frog Belly White

You gotta start small with these things. Start by claiming you killed the #3 guy. That’s a pretty safe claim to make.

Hell, we did that three or four times to Al Q!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:30:55am

re: #265 makeitstop

Hell, we did that three or four times to Al Q!

“My friends, I am deeply saddened to report that the Great Satan has killed the Number 3 man in our organization…. NEXT!”

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:33:08am

Coming over the wires that former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl has died at the age of 87.

RIP.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:34:31am

re: #267 Dr Lizardo

Coming over the wires that former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl has died at the age of 87.

RIP.

From Der Spiegel: spiegel.de (in German)

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EPR-radar  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:38:39am

re: #196 FormerDirtDart

All the world knows that the only purpose of the Republican health care bill is to give tax cuts to some of the richest plutocrats in history.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:39:40am

re: #261 Stanley Sea

No shit

Pentagon doubts Russia’s ISIS claim

I’ll tell you, when I first saw an email from the NYT on this story, I immediately thought “Man, the Russians are really trolling Trump now…”

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Stanley Sea  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:40:39am
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Weaselone  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:49:21am

re: #271 Stanley Sea

It’s nice to see the the Democrats are at least making efforts to get Healthcare into the news.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:53:28am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:55:53am

Even the most skewed, right-wing poll gives him a 50% rating. SAD!

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:56:08am

Death toll in London apartment blaze climbs to 30

The horrific fire that ripped through a London apartment building has killed 30 people as two dozen more remain hospitalized, police said Friday.

Twelve of the 24 hospitalized are in serious condition as investigators look into what sparked the deadly blaze at Grenfell Tower — a 120-unit building in the city’s Kensington neighborhood.

“We will ensure that families are informed as soon as possible when we know beyond doubt that it is their loved one who has been identified,” Metropolitan Police Commander Stuart Cundy said. “It is a complex process. We are focused on making sure we are supporting all those families where people are still unaccounted for.”

It’s very slow going for recovery crews because of the shoring up and inspection required in the compromised structure.
Recovery of human remains in this situation is often a matter of literally sifting through ashes.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:56:29am

re: #274 The Vicious Babushka

Even the most skewed, right-wing poll gives him a 50% rating. SAD!

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Pathetically sad.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:57:02am

This really is one giant ego trip for him.

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Danack  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:58:25am

re: #188 Barefoot Grin

Seems likely that Rosenstein will have to recuse himself if he is part of Mueller’s investigation. Yes?

That leads to an interesting scenario. People are allowed to refuse orders if they result in illegal action.

Currently, with Rosenstein not under investigation, Trump could order him to fire Mueller and he would have to choose between resigning and following that order.

However, if Mueller starts to Rosenstein, then Rosenstein carrying out the order to fire Mueller could be considered an illegal act (obstruction of justice) which means that Rosenstein would have a basis to refuse to fire him, without resigning.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 16, 2017 • 8:58:28am

re: #274 The Vicious Babushka

Even the most skewed, right-wing poll gives him a 50% rating. SAD!

[Embedded content]

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:00:01am

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Pathetically sad.

Horrifically sad. A president should never tout his or her approval ratings. Regardless if they are high or low the tone from the president should be that we need to work harder to make sure all American’s yadda yadda yadda. This is what happens when we elect a (shitty) reality show star.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:02:08am

re: #280 Franklin

Horrifically sad. A president should never tout his or her approval ratings. Regardless if they are high or low the tone from the president should be that we need to work harder to make sure all American’s yadda yadda yadda. This is what happens when we elect a (shitty) reality show star.

He’s an insecure child.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:02:09am

re: #277 HappyWarrior

This really is one giant ego trip for him.

Ya think?

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covfefe  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:03:03am

re: #274 The Vicious Babushka

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Dizzy  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:03:38am

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:03:52am

re: #282 The Vicious Babushka

Ya think?

Heh yeah man it’s just so fucking pathetic.

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MsJ  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:05:19am

re: #247 FormerDirtDart

A puppy onesie! I am dying. I want! My Bossy Terrier would look totes adorbs in one! :-)

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Jay C  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:06:16am

re: #257 FormerDirtDart

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What a joke. As usual, Florida politics, and the WH’s push to bolster Rubio’s “tough-on-Cuba” creds with the hardline Miami crowd take precedence over any sort of rationality wrt Cuba policy.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:09:19am

re: #287 Jay C

What a joke. As usual, Florida politics, and the WH’s push to bolster Rubio’s “tough-on-Cuba” creds with the hardline Miami crowd take precedence over any sort of rationality wrt Cuba policy.

I’ll said ti again. I’m tired of Cuban-Americans acting like they’re the only ones who have fled authoritarian dictatorships. The Castros are awful but the Cuban policy Obama reversed was painfully outdated.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:14:47am

Saw that the Dems won last night and awarded the trophy to Scalise as an actor of solidarity. Classy move but tell us more wingnuts about how the Dems are so so hate ful and responsible for Hopkinson.

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CongoJack  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:16:32am

re: #288 HappyWarrior

I’ll said ti again. I’m tired of Cuban-Americans acting like they’re the only ones who have fled authoritarian dictatorships. The Castros are awful but the Cuban policy Obama reversed was painfully outdated.

Ya don’t change a people, a culture, or a nation by ignoring that they exist. The only way to foster change (peacefully) is by open dialogue and trade. Then change happens slowly and safely over time (hopefully).

Chris Mathews last night was a dick and said (paraphrasing), that everyone he’s talked to whom have gone to Cuba say after 3 days visiting, they could have done with 1 less day as there isn’t much there (dug… embargo?).

I’ve had a coworker go on a government sanctioned visit and all she said was the food was good, the beaches beautiful, and the cars from the 50s. She loved it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:17:34am

re: #290 CongoJack

Ya don’t change a people, a culture, or a nation by ignoring that they exist. The only way to foster change (peacefully) is by open dialogue and trade. Then change happens slowly and safely over time (hopefully).

Chris Mathews last night was a dick and said (paraphrasing), that everyone he’s talked to whom have gone to Cuba say after 3 days visiting, they could have done with 1 less day as there isn’t much there (dug… embargo?).

I’ve had a coworker go on a government sanctioned visit and all she said was the food was good, the beaches beautiful, and the cars from the 50s. She loved it.

Someone should also let Rubio know that it would help Florida’s economy too.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:17:48am

It would reunite families as well.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:17:56am

re: #274 The Vicious Babushka

Even the most skewed, right-wing poll gives him a 50% rating. SAD!

Great News: Someone’s life was saved; Someone got a job; Someone received a gift; Oh, never mind, just DJT bragging about one opinion poll.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:19:33am

re: #275 Shiplord Kirel

Death toll in London apartment blaze climbs to 30

It’s very slow going for recovery crews because of the shoring up and inspection required in the compromised structure.
Recovery of human remains in this situation is often a matter of literally sifting through ashes.

I hate to sound morbid, but if it’s under 200, I’ll be pleasantly surprised.

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Jay C  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:22:11am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

Someone should also let Rubio know that it would help Florida’s economy too.

Why? The main part of the Florida economy he mainly cares about is that sector involved with campaign contributions. And there’s no recession in sight there….

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sagehen  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:22:39am

re: #275 Shiplord Kirel

Death toll in London apartment blaze climbs to 30

It’s very slow going for recovery crews because of the shoring up and inspection required in the compromised structure.
Recovery of human remains in this situation is often a matter of literally sifting through ashes.

After 9/11, everyone with missing family from the WTC was asked to bring in their loved one’s hairbrush, toothbrush, bloody tissues if he’d had a shaving accident that morning… and parents and offspring of the missing gave their own DNA samples. None of the remains could be ID’d by just looking at them. It’s a very slow process.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:25:06am

re: #295 Jay C

Why? The main part of the Florida economy he mainly cares about is that sector involved with campaign contributions. And there’s no recession in sight there….

True true.

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b.d.  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:25:10am
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darthstar  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:25:22am
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DodgerFan1988  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:27:27am

Alex Jones cheerleader Megyn Kelly finds him “fascinating,” promises him a softball interview in secret recording released by Jones.

huffingtonpost.com

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:28:40am

re: #300 DodgerFan1988

Alex Jones cheerleader Megyn Kelly finds him “fascinating,” promises him a softball interview in secret recording released by Jones.

huffingtonpost.com

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha *breath* hahahahahahahahahahahaha

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:30:18am

re: #300 DodgerFan1988

Alex Jones cheerleader Megyn Kelly finds him “fascinating,” promises him a softball interview in secret recording released by Jones.

huffingtonpost.com

Kelly is such a tough journalist. //

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:33:18am

#300 DodgerFan1988:

If it weren’t Megyn Kelly, I would be a little disturbed by this. But, it’s Megyn Kelly.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:33:52am

re: #303 Belafon

#300 DodgerFan1988:

If it weren’t Megyn Kelly, I would be a little disturbed by this. But, it’s Megyn Kelly.

Yes, the lady who insisted Santa wasn’t black.

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freetoken  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:34:50am

This morning’s duck rush:

1,000+ Ducklings’ Morning Rush Out Of The Barn Live Stream

They don’t know where they’re going, they just follow the mass in front of them.

Sound familiar?

Save for that one lonely guy at the end, pondering the doorway and the meaning of life… until his thirst overwhelms him and he finally gives in.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:35:30am
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freetoken  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:36:15am

The farmer cleaning the barn this morning:

Morning Speed Cleaning of the barn

He narrates while cleaning.

Much better than watching Megyn.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:39:58am

re: #302 HappyWarrior

Kelly is such a tough journalist. //

Great hire, NBC.

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:40:50am

re: #296 sagehen

After 9/11, everyone with missing family from the WTC was asked to bring in their loved one’s hairbrush, toothbrush, bloody tissues if he’d had a shaving accident that morning… and parents and offspring of the missing gave their own DNA samples. None of the remains could be ID’d by just looking at them. It’s a very slow process.

Jeez…. thinking about it, yeah, many of these victims will need DNA identification because their remains are likely in real bad shape. Except that there might not be anyone to do provide the information (since it’s possible entire families were killed in the blaze). However, the tech developed after 9/11 might well help identify victims, and that many were killed in their own apartments might also help.

What a fucking nightmare.

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:40:55am

re: #269 EPR-radar

All the world knows that the only purpose of the Republican health care bill is to give tax cuts to some of the richest plutocrats in history.

Gotta keep those rich people “healthy” you know.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:41:07am

re: #308 Sir John Barron

Great hire, NBC.

My question is: was NBC lying about the purpose of the interview or did Megyn lie to her producers/editor?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:41:19am

re: #309 lawhawk

Jeez…. thinking about it, yeah, many of these victims will need DNA identification because their remains are likely in real bad shape. Except that there might not be anyone to do provide the information (since it’s possible entire families were killed in the blaze). However, the tech developed after 9/11 might well help identify victims, and that many were killed in their own apartments might also help.

What a fucking nightmare.

I can’t imagine what those poor families are going through right now.

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Weaselone  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:42:19am

re: #311 Timothy Watson

My question is: was NBC lying about the purpose of the interview or did Megyn lie to her producers/editor?

Yes.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:42:37am

re: #311 Timothy Watson

My question is: was NBC lying about the purpose of the interview or did Megyn lie to her producers/editor?

Or did she lie to Jones.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:44:03am

If I have to compare Jones to anyone, I’d say he’s a modern day Julius Streicher.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:44:11am

re: #314 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Or did she lie to Jones.

That might be giving her too much credit.

/ (half)

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Stanley Sea  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:44:58am

Wheeeeeeeeee

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:45:37am

re: #317 Stanley Sea

Wheeeeeeeeee

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They keep this up and they’re going to run out of law firms.

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:46:37am

re: #317 Stanley Sea

Wheeeeeeeeee

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It’s lawyers, all the way down.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:46:56am

re: #317 Stanley Sea

Wheeeeeeeeee

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The lawyer’s lawyer will need a lawyer next.

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:47:25am

re: #295 Jay C

Why? The main part of the Florida economy he mainly cares about is that sector involved with campaign contributions. And there’s no recession in sight there….

So, he’s not really a Senator…more of a Super Representative.

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Jay C  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:47:32am

re: #318 Timothy Watson

They keep this up and they’re going to run out of law firms.

Yeah: you know things are getting bad when not only are the principals lawyering up, but the lawyers are lawyering up, too!!

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Dr. Matt  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:48:02am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:49:01am

re: #323 Dr. Matt

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My parents were born in the same hospital. They must be brother and sister!

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b.d.  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:49:58am

re: #317 Stanley Sea

Wheeeeeeeeee

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For a party that claims to loathe lawyers they sure do employ a lot of them.

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:52:53am

re: #300 DodgerFan1988

Alex Jones cheerleader Megyn Kelly finds him “fascinating,” promises him a softball interview in secret recording released by Jones.

huffingtonpost.com

I so hope this ruins her reputation. Jones’ too, but that is secondary. If Megyn Kelly takes the hit it hurts all of the Fox people. She was the Big Fox Star after all, so if she crashes and burns at NBC, then it might make all media hesitant to hire ex-Fox people. And of course, it might start more and more people questioning Fox overall.

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:00:24am

re: #302 HappyWarrior

Kelly is such a tough journalist. //

She’s tough on the families of Trayvon Martin, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, Walter Scott, Sandra Bland, Philando Castile. Do a Youtube search and you’ll find her Fox News segments ripping all these dead black “thugs who got what they deserved.”

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:00:33am

#324 HappyWarrior:

Not only was I born in the same hospital as my mom, it was the same doctor who did both deliveries.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:01:09am

re: #327 DodgerFan1988

She’s tough on the families of Trayvon Martin, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, Walter Scott, Sandra Bland, Philando Castile. Do a Youtube search and you’ll find her Fox News segments ripping all these dead black “thugs who got what they deserved.”

i’m sure. She’s such an awful person.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:01:37am

re: #327 DodgerFan1988

She’s tough on the families of Trayvon Martin, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, Walter Scott, Sandra Bland, Philando Castile. Do a Youtube search and you’ll find her Fox News segments ripping all these dead black “thugs who got what they deserved.”

And shit like this:

Fox News On UC Davis Pepper Spraying: “It’s a food product”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:02:38am

re: #330 Timothy Watson

And shit like this:

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Video

Gee did she want mustard gas on her hot dog too?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:03:44am

re: #328 Belafon

#324 HappyWarrior:

Not only was I born in the same hospital as my mom, it was the same doctor who did both deliveries.

YOU WERE SWITCHED AT BIRTH!!!11!!!

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sagehen  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:05:47am

re: #269 EPR-radar

All the world knows that the only purpose of the Republican health care bill is to give tax cuts to some of the richest plutocrats in history.

This morning’s Atlantic:

The Hoarding of the American Dream
In a new book, a Brookings scholar examines how the upper-middle class has enriched itself and harmed economic mobility.
theatlantic.com

The book traces the way that the upper-middle class has pulled away from the middle class and the poor on five dimensions: income and wealth, educational attainment, family structure, geography, and health and longevity. The top 20 percent of earners might not have seen the kinds of income gains made by the top one percent and America’s billionaires. Still, their wage and investment increases have proven sizable.

They then pass those advantages onto their children, with parents placing a “glass floor” under their kids. They ensure they grow up in nice zip codes, provide social connections that make a difference when entering the labor force, help with internships, aid with tuition and home-buying, and schmooze with college admissions officers. All the while, they support policies and practices that protect their economic position and prevent poorer kids from climbing the income ladder: legacy admissions, the preferential tax treatment of investment income, 529 college savings plans, exclusionary zoning, occupational licensing, and restrictions on the immigration of white-collar professionals.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:11:55am

re: #320 HappyWarrior

The lawyer’s lawyer will need a lawyer next.

Everything Trump touches….

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gocart mozart  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:12:34am

A Rude Pundit Production.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:12:49am

re: #334 Barefoot Grin

Everything Trump touches….

Reverse Midas touch?

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gocart mozart  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:13:58am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:14:38am

re: #334 Barefoot Grin

Everything Trump touches….

Trump’s got the reverse Midas touch……everything he touches turns to shit.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:15:04am

re: #336 Timothy Watson

Reverse Midas touch?

Indeed. Sorry, Melania.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:15:11am

re: #338 Dr Lizardo

Trump’s got the negative Midas touch……everything he touches turns to shit.

BUT HE’S A GREAT BUSINESS, I HEARD IT ON THE INTERNET BUT I DON’T TRUST THAT FAKE NEWS.

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gocart mozart  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:16:01am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:17:15am

I think it’s darkly hilarious how Trump, the ultimate fat cat asshole has become the hero of poor, rural whites.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:21:34am

GOP Healthcare plan y’all

NO ABOSHUNS!!!!

PAY FOR YOUR OWN DAMN BABIES U SLUTS!!!11!!

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makeitstop  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:23:30am

re: #318 Timothy Watson

They keep this up and they’re going to run out of law firms.

Trump sponsors the Law Firm Full Employment Act of 2017.

When the lawyers are hiring lawyers, you know it’s getting bad.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:24:00am

Now Marco is a neutered cuck

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:24:28am

I just saw someone here at work with a shirt that said “We shall overcomb” at the bottom, and showed a cartoon drawing of Trump with the top part of his hair as an eagle’s head. I couldn’t really tell if it was pro or anti-Trump, so I just smiled.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:27:07am

re: #9 goddamnedfrank

Tim Canova continues to be a piece of shit.

This is the same shit they pulled on Hillary. Slow and Methodical slander for 30 years or so and it produces just enough doubt in people’s minds, that GRIFTUS is elected.

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:27:11am

re: #343 The Vicious Babushka

GOP Healthcare plan y’all

NO ABOSHUNS!!!!

PAY FOR YOUR OWN DAMN BABIES U SLUTS!!!11!!

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Great Family Values there GOP.

I’ve sent a recent email to good ol’ Robby Portman, Ohio Senator that is one member of the secretive group working on their healthcare legislation.

I got back a canned response. I think it is the exact same canned response I received from his office last year regarding health care.. I have to look to see if I saved the other one so I can compare.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:28:29am

re: #346 Belafon

I just saw someone here at work with a shirt that said “We shall overcomb” at the bottom, and showed a cartoon drawing of Trump with the top part of his hair as an eagle’s head. I couldn’t really tell if it was pro or anti-Trump, so I just smiled.

I’m going with negative.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:29:04am
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EPR-radar  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:30:03am

re: #342 HappyWarrior

I think it’s darkly hilarious how Trump, the ultimate fat cat asshole has become the hero of poor, rural whites.

tr*mp is wingnut god. None of this wishy-washy ‘hero’ business for the God-Emperor of Dumb.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:31:02am

Ok, I’m not reading 350+ emails to catch-up. A plumber will be at my house soon.

Hello to everyone and
What’s going on all?

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:31:26am

re: #350 Backwoods_Sleuth

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CIVIL RIGHTS COST MONEY AND IMPEDE PROFITS

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Kragar  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:31:42am
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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:31:43am

re: #346 Belafon

I just saw someone here at work with a shirt that said “We shall overcomb” at the bottom, and showed a cartoon drawing of Trump with the top part of his hair as an eagle’s head. I couldn’t really tell if it was pro or anti-Trump, so I just smiled.

Someone had a big sign with that on it during the Women’s March back on January 21st. Maybe it caught on and someone is making t-shirts with it.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:32:06am

re: #345 Dr. Matt

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Now Marco is a neutered cuck

SO EVEN Griftus can be right once in a while

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:34:34am

re: #354 Kragar

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If the president does it, it’s not illegal.

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Kragar  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:34:50am

re: #357 HappyWarrior

If the president does it, it’s not illegal.

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:35:08am

#355 ObserverArt:

That’s cool then. I’m in a heavy Republican company. To know there’s a few more anti-Trump people is good.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:35:21am

re: #322 Jay C

Yeah: you know things are getting bad when not only are the principals lawyering up, but the lawyers are lawyering up, too!!

Lawyers are loving this administration —lots of work to be had.

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:35:21am

re: #354 Kragar

He forgot to qualify it with “(R)”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:35:24am

re: #358 Kragar

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Whoopsie.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:35:49am

re: #355 ObserverArt

Someone had a big sign with that on it during the Women’s March back on January 21st. Maybe it caught on and someone is making t-shirts with it.

I was thinking about.

I don’t want to sully my site with him.

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EPR-radar  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:36:17am

re: #350 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thanks for the link. This is some real Grade-A tr*mp administration bullshit:

The DOJ has already come under fire from critics for altering its approach to voting rights cases. After nearly six years of litigation over Texas’ voter ID law — which Obama DOJ attorneys said was written to intentionally discriminate against minority voters and had such a discriminatory effect — the Trump DOJ abruptly withdrew its intent claims in late February.

Attorneys who worked on the case for years were barely consulted about the change — many weren’t consulted at all, according to two former DOJ officials with knowledge of the matter. Gore wrote the filing changing the DOJ’s position largely by himself and asked the attorneys who’d been involved in the case for years to sign it to show continuity. Not all of the attorneys fell in line. Avner Shapiro — who has been a prosecutor in the civil rights division for more than 20 years — left his name off the filings written by Gore. Shapiro was particularly involved in developing the DOJ’s argument that Texas had intentionally discriminated against minorities in crafting its voter ID legislation.

Gore has no history of bringing civil rights cases. A former partner at the law firm Jones Day, he has instead defended states against claims of racial gerrymandering and represented North Carolina when the state was sued over its controversial “bathroom bill,” which requires transgender people to use the facility that matched their birth gender.

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:36:51am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:37:05am

re: #360 Birth Control Works

Lawyers are loving this administration —lots of work to be had.

Are all these lawyers getting paid by the hour — like hookers? Asking for a friend.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:37:55am

re: #366 I Would Prefer Not To

Are all these lawyers getting paid by the hour — like hookers? Asking for a friend.

If they’re working for Trump they better ask for pay up front.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:38:04am

re: #366 I Would Prefer Not To

Are all these lawyers getting paid by the hour — like hookers? Asking for a friend.

don’t know.

I know there are different pricing structures for different types of lawyering. Some get a cut of the overall payout. Some charge a set annual fee. Some are on the payroll.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:38:15am

re: #358 Kragar

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So obvs the ambassadorship to the Vatican came at a price.

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:38:47am

One of my favorite movies (and one of Robin Williams best roles IMO)

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Kragar  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:38:48am

re: #368 Birth Control Works

don’t know.

I know there are different pricing structures for different types of lawyering. Some get a cut of the overall payout. Some charge a set annual fee. Some are on the payroll.

You’re undercutting the subtle nuance of his hooker joke!

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:38:48am

re: #369 Stanley Sea

So obvs the ambassadorship to the Vatican came at a price.

Like Francis doesn’t see right thru that.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:39:29am

re: #260 makeitstop

I propose a new term -

A jiminy of crickets

Excellent! As long as we can also go with a stooge of iguanas, I’m in.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:39:34am

re: #357 HappyWarrior

If the president does it, it’s not illegal.

The British figured out over 800 years ago that having Kings be above the law was a bad idea.

And yet here in 2017 America we are STILL debating this??

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:39:42am

re: #372 Birth Control Works

It was a pretty gross insult, so yes.

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:39:56am

re: #367 The Vicious Babushka

If they’re working for Trump they better ask for pay up front.

Stripe credit card processing on a cell phone. Pre-pay.

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:41:18am

Tall Ships Boston is this week…

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:42:05am

re: #371 Kragar

You’re undercutting the subtle nuance of his hooker joke!

I love you man. (also happy that it’s Friday).

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garzooma  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:42:17am

re: #360 Birth Control Works

Lawyers are loving this administration —lots of work to be had.

He did promise to be the greatest jobs-creator ever.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:43:03am

re: #374 Eclectic Cyborg

The British figured out over 800 years ago that having Kings be above the law was a bad idea.

And yet here in 2017 America we are STILL debating this??

So stealing that.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:43:40am

re: #318 Timothy Watson

They keep this up and they’re going to run out of law firms.

Eventually they will be left with:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:43:58am

re: #380 Birth Control Works

So stealing that.

Be my guest.

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EPR-radar  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:44:09am

re: #374 Eclectic Cyborg

The British figured out over 800 years ago that having Kings be above the law was a bad idea.

And yet here in 2017 America we are STILL debating this??

Republicans aren’t saying that the president is above the law. They are saying that Republicans are above the law.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:44:11am
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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:44:29am

Being the Capitalist that I am, I can’t let a day go by without sharing.

share if you like

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:45:22am

LOLOL

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:45:31am

re: #384 Stanley Sea

Vice President Pence ✔ @VP
It is the greatest privilege of my life to serve as Vice President to @POTUS Donald Trump - a man devoted to American ideals.
1:27 PM - 16 Jun 2017
486 486 Retweets 1,577 1,577 likes

The Daily Ring Kiss.

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:45:55am

“… How The SEOsage Is Made

First: Create content that subtly masks the truth.
Second: Shape that content into something people will share.
Third: Make it identical, and make a ton of it.
Fourth: Flood the internet with that content.
Fifth: Flood the internet with that content.
Six: Flood the fucking internet with that content.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:46:13am

re: #387 ObserverArt

The Daily Ring Ass Kiss.

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:46:36am
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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:46:54am

Here is one I did last night.

get it?

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:47:11am

re: #384 Stanley Sea

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:47:41am

re: #386 The Vicious Babushka

LOLOL

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He’s talking to his age group. Young Adults are not Cold War Babies. They don’t have the knee-jerk reaction to his words that my parent’s would have had.

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freetoken  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:47:50am

re: #384 Stanley Sea

This sort of public displays of servile ass kissing is so third world.

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:47:51am

I think Trump is confused. His Russian handler told him the bots they setup for him will have a reach of 100 million actual users.

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:48:06am

re: #386 The Vicious Babushka

LOLOL

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That image.

Pretty tough to be looking like a hard ass tough guy when you have to stare at the words on the *gasp* teleprompter because you have no clue what you are reading.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:48:54am

re: #383 EPR-radar

Republicans aren’t saying that the president is above the law. They are saying that Republicans are above the law.

Touche.

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Citizen K  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:49:19am

re: #386 The Vicious Babushka

LOLOL

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:49:36am

re: #388 jaunte

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First, most of us don’t even know we’re in this war yet. You don’t know when you’ve been wounded, when you’ve been killed. And that’s the whole point: You’re not supposed to.

The best Grifters go unnoticed.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:49:45am

Actually, it’s Katy Perry who just reached 100M twitter followers. Who did she support again????

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Stanley Sea  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:51:27am

Wraithdom

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sagehen  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:52:27am

I’ve been watching “Genius”, the Einstein bio mini-series, and just finished the episode that takes place during WWI. He makes a lot of enemies by refusing to join a bunch of other scientists who pledge to assist the military… has a huge break-up with a longtime close friend (the chemist who invented mustard-gas)… makes a lot of impassioned speeches about how scientists are supposed to explore/explain the mysteries of the universe, not assist in mass killing.

Now I’m nervous about what’s going to be in the next episodes that so drastically change his mind (it was his letter to Roosevelt that inspired the Manhattan Project, he personally recruited the top echelon of physicists who made it work).

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:52:39am
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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:53:48am

re: #388 jaunte

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Creating content with key words. Those Russian bots running all over the ‘net and in tweets and Facebook and everyone retweeting and linking on and on and Google’s algorithms were moving fake news to the top searches.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:54:12am

re: #388 jaunte

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Other than the tech, how is this different than Vietnam using our own propaganda against us.

Or is it the same concept taken to a whole new galaxy?

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:55:02am

re: #405 Birth Control Works

I think more people are exposed now.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:55:58am

Communist oppression. Except the factory workers in Chyna that make my IVanka rich.

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:56:34am

Bots, automatically tilting and greasing the confirmation bias slope.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:58:05am

re: #408 jaunte

Bots, automatically tilting and greasing the confirmation bias slope.

Yes, I read something a long time ago referring to this. Letmesee if the site is still usp.

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:58:15am

#374 Eclectic Cyborg:

We’re not debating it. It’s like climate change. We have two different sides, each believing they’re correct, but their side is willing to destroy the country rather than be wrong.

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freetoken  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:58:25am

re: #402 sagehen

The role of German academia/intelligentsia in the society of that day is worth exploring.

I think there are important lessons to be learned from the 20th century, for scientists and others involved in the business of science, as well as education.

My gut response against the big STEM push of the past few years has been that it seemed all too utilitarian. STEM folk serving at the behest of the all-conquering need to expand the economy, etc.

I’m much more inclined to want science to be lumped in with art, not engineering. The human creativity drive is very idiosyncratic and should not be turned into a mechanistic process.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:59:12am

Which country is Trump most likely to declare war on if the investigation heats up?

1. Canada
2. Germany
3. California
4. Scotland
5. Grand Fenwick

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Stanley Sea  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:59:20am

He’s still talking?

ugh

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EPR-radar  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:59:48am

re: #402 sagehen

I’ve been watching “Genius”, the Einstein bio mini-series, and just finished the episode that takes place during WWI. He makes a lot of enemies by refusing to join a bunch of other scientists who pledge to assist the military… has a huge break-up with a longtime close friend (the chemist who invented mustard-gas)… makes a lot of impassioned speeches about how scientists are supposed to explore/explain the mysteries of the universe, not assist in mass killing.

Now I’m nervous about what’s going to be in the next episodes that so drastically change his mind (it was his letter to Roosevelt that inspired the Manhattan Project, he personally recruited the top echelon of physicists who made it work).

My assumption is that being run out of Germany by the Nazis and knowing what Hitler would do with nuclear weapons is what motivated Einstein.

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freetoken  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:00:12am

re: #412 The Vicious Babushka

New Caledonia.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:00:17am

re: #412 The Vicious Babushka

LOL @ California.

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EPR-radar  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:00:27am

re: #412 The Vicious Babushka

Which country is Trump most likely to declare war on if the investigation heats up?

1. Canada
2. Germany
3. California
4. Scotland
5. Grand Fenwick

6. All of the above.

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sagehen  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:01:23am

re: #414 EPR-radar

My assumption is that being run out of Germany by the Nazis and knowing what Hitler would do with nuclear weapons is what motivated Einstein.

A fair assumption, but I don’t yet know how graphic they’ll be with their portrayal of incidents that frighten him.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:01:26am
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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:01:47am

re: #412 The Vicious Babushka

Which country is Trump most likely to declare war on if the investigation heats up?

1. Canada
2. Germany
3. California
4. Scotland
5. Grand Fenwick

He seems to want S. Korea quite badly.

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garzooma  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:01:54am

Go Queen!

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Kragar  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:02:00am

re: #407 HappyWarrior

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:02:21am
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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:03:24am

re: #415 freetoken

New Caledonia.

Old Caldonia

Louis Jordan - Caldonia (1946)

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:03:47am

re: #421 garzooma

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Go Queen!

She really is pretty awesome.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:03:55am

re: #422 Kragar

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Yep hypocritical bullhsit.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:04:12am

re: #421 garzooma

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Go Queen!

Respect, your majesty, respect!

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:04:18am

re: #354 Kragar

The Hill ✔ @thehill
Gingrich: A president “cannot obstruct justice” hill.cm
12:28 PM - 16 Jun 2017

That’s a misquote; “it’s a Republican president cannot obstruct justice if there is a Republican Congress”

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:05:09am

#402 sagehen:

I suspect it involved two things: 1. what was happening to the Jews in Germany, and 2. Germany was pursuing the atomic bomb as well. IIRC, he would later regret writing it.

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:06:19am

re: #414 EPR-radar

My assumption is that being run out of Germany by the Nazis and knowing what Hitler would do with nuclear weapons is what motivated Einstein.

………………………………..

“…The newspapers reported that his name was on a list of assassination targets, and one rumor had it that there was a $5,000 bounty on his head. Upon hearing this, Einstein touched that head and cheerfully proclaimed, ‘I didn’t know it was worth that much!’”jrbenjamin.com

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:06:35am
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garzooma  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:07:10am

re: #411 freetoken

The role of German academia/intelligentsia in the society of that day is worth exploring.

Hell, American academia/intelligentsia in the society of that day is worth exploring.

Nazi In Our Midst

There’s bound to be many a skeleton in Harvard’s closets, but the possibility of links to Hitler rattle a little

by MICHAEL M. GRYNBAUM Feb 10, 2005
There’s bound to be many a skeleton in Harvard’s closets, but the possibility of links to Hitler rattle a little louder than others. Last October, the media came running when a University of Oklahoma professor, Stephen Norwood, announced that he had found evidence tying Harvard to Nazi Germany. Speaking at an academic conference at Boston University, Norwood declared that Harvard had warmly received Nazi officers in the 1930s, formally recognized German universities taken over by Hitler, and voiced support for the Third Reich.

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EPR-radar  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:08:14am

re: #431 Birth Control Works

Ann Coulter is a human scorpion. She is only capable of attacking, and the idea of supporting other members of her supposed cause is completely alien to her.

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:10:36am

re: #412 The Vicious Babushka

Stansaid Airport… the logical choice.

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:10:55am

re: #423 Franklin

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Manslaughter in the digital world. Like the article stated, this is a landmark case.

What the hell was she thinking pushing him like she did? I guess she is going to get some time to think it over.

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Kragar  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:12:44am
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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:14:19am

re: #423 Franklin

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Gotta wonder if spoken words or written letters would get the same conviction.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:17:06am

re: #436 Kragar

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This guy considers the House of Saud his new buddies, a gov’t that is pretty much the gold standard of political repression in the region.

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Kragar  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:17:22am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:18:31am

re: #438 Targetpractice

This guy considers the House of Saud his new buddies, a gov’t that is pretty much the gold standard of political repression in the region.

The Saudis are great! They cheered me! No protesters! Oil! Anti-terrorism! Money! Business!

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lizardofid  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:19:40am

re: #412 The Vicious Babushka

Which country is Trump most likely to declare war on if the investigation heats up?

1. Canada
2. Germany
3. California
4. Scotland
5. Grand Fenwick

I’m suddenly worried about an attempt at regime change in Havana.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:19:42am

re: #439 Kragar

This is why Mueller isn’t independent or fair for TruPm! Fire him! Stop investigation! MAGA!!!!

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:20:14am

plumber is here

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:20:14am

re: #412 The Vicious Babushka

Which country is Trump most likely to declare war on if the investigation heats up?

1. Canada
2. Germany
3. California
4. Scotland
5. Grand Fenwick

Mexico, Mexico, Mexico, Mexico.

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EPR-radar  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:22:45am

re: #439 Kragar

We only have tr*mp’s word that he didn’t get a VD, which is categorically worthless. If a LWNJ analogue to Fox News existed, they would run endless stories of tr*mp’s tertiary syphilis as fact.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:23:57am

re: #444 DodgerFan1988

Mexico, Mexico, Mexico, Mexico.

The new one or the old one?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:28:24am

re: #62 Amory Blaine

Waffle House

Frankly I’d love to see Larry Flynt buy the bankrupt Ark Park and turn it into a Hustler Casino.

It’s a shame Larry was blocked from buying Jim and Tammy Faye’s bankrupted Heritage, USA and turning it into Hustlerland!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:28:45am

re: #441 lizardofid

I’m suddenly worried about an attempt at regime change in Havana.

Bay of Wigs

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wrenchwench  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:30:41am

re: #446 Jebediah, RBG

The new one or the old one?

I’d take him to the border and push him back and forth over it (no wall in many places, but pushing him off a wall over and over would have some merits).

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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:31:22am

re: #448 The Vicious Babushka

Bay of Wigs

We’ll kill Fidel!

Um….who wants to tell him?

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lizardofid  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:32:55am

re: #448 The Vicious Babushka

Bay of Wigs

Installing new president Joey “no socks” Cinque.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:33:53am

re: #432 garzooma

Hell, American academia/intelligentsia in the society of that day is worth exploring.

This article “rubs me the wrong way”, it reminds me too much of the “commies infiltrated our universities during and after WWII” stuff I used to read here years ago.

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danarchy  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:37:41am

re: #402 sagehen

Now I’m nervous about what’s going to be in the next episodes that so drastically change his mind (it was his letter to Roosevelt that inspired the Manhattan Project, he personally recruited the top echelon of physicists who made it work).

It was really Leo Szilards letter, Einstein just signed on. It didn’t take anything earth shattering, Leo just showed Einstein how obvious the idea of nuclear chain reaction was. The thought of Hitler with a nuclear bomb was really all it took.

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:40:47am
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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:41:37am

Some are really worried about the population decline in Illinois. I’m of the opinion that if there aren’t jobs here, they shoud go. We don’t need overpopuation. The argument is that those leaving are employed, leaving for better employment

They are worried about tax receipts. I think the taxes are a problem because we have too many people an can’t afford them to begin with.

Recently ran accross this:

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:43:38am

re: #455 Birth Control Works

Even within that, there’s probably better graphics showing growth by county, which would show that growth in places like Texas is to urban areas, not rural ones. Same in places like NY, where people are leaving upstate rural for warmer climates, while NYC metro still sees net growth.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:44:48am

re: #436 Kragar

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Exactly. I’m no fan of the Castro regime eitehr but don’t fucking praise Duerete and then claim that you’re concerned about human rights.

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Franklin  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:45:34am

#FakeNews #Owned

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:46:21am

So is he dead or not?

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:51:12am

I love hashtags

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:52:57am

re: #389 The Vicious Babushka

Which is where the term ‘fartcatcher’ originates from.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:53:21am

lol, gasp.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:54:13am

re: #462 Stanley Sea

lol, gasp.

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Still amazed that people thought this asshole was presidential material. He’s a fucking chlid.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:54:30am

re: #462 Stanley Sea

lol, gasp.

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Can’t take him literally.

///

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:54:49am

#459 Birth Control Works:

He’s become more powerful than you could ever possibly imagine.

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Weaselone  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:55:27am

re: #460 Birth Control Works

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I love hashtags

This is the most shocking revelation since studies confirmed that prejudice against Mexicans, blacks and Muslims and not economic insecurity caused white people to vote for Trump.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:55:36am

0MG TEH LIBRULS IS TEH WORST TERRISTS EVER!!!!! LIBTARDS IS KILLING EVERYONE!!!! HELPS!!! BAN LIBRULS!!!!

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:57:55am

re: #467 The Vicious Babushka

0MG TEH LIBRULS IS TEH WORST TERRISTS EVER!!!!! LIBTARDS IS KILLING EVERYONE!!!! HELPS!!! BAN LIBRULS!!!!

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The specialest little snowflakes.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:59:07am

re: #467 The Vicious Babushka

0MG TEH LIBRULS IS TEH WORST TERRISTS EVER!!!!! LIBTARDS IS KILLING EVERYONE!!!! HELPS!!! BAN LIBRULS!!!!

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Those liberal snowflakes are so sensitive and can’t take a joke. Oh wait. Seriously Fox. Fuck off with this shit. You literally had people on your network who suggested that it would be okay to fire people who voted for President Obama.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:59:46am

re: #468 Timothy Watson

The specialest little snowflakes.

Seriously, this is a network that mocked a child when Mike Pence was rude to him but oh no poor Trump supporter got teased by someone at Starbucks, let’s make it a news article. Fuck you Fox. Just fuck you.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:00:44pm

If you want to be sensitive fine but don’t you dare tell me that conservatives know how to take a joke and liberals are a bunch of overly sensitive snowflakes if oyu’re going to push shit like this. I didn’t go to MS fucking NBC when a right winger shamed me for supporting a pro-choice candidate.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:01:59pm

re: #467 The Vicious Babushka

0MG TEH LIBRULS IS TEH WORST TERRISTS EVER!!!!! LIBTARDS IS KILLING EVERYONE!!!! HELPS!!! BAN LIBRULS!!!!

Starbucks liberal bullies are the worst.

/

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:03:33pm

I mean yeah it was probably unprofessional to do that but you know what, it’s completely unprofessional to use your religious beliefs as an excuse to deny someone a legal service and Fox makes thos people into religious martyrs.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:05:49pm

A timely reminder of why we can’t have nice things.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:06:34pm

Louise Mensch is in Chuck C. Johnson territory now - she doxed the wrong person, then refused to retract…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:07:45pm

re: #474 klys (maker of Silmarils)

A timely reminder of why we can’t have nice things.

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Bullshit and King knows it. But keep on telling yourself that Shaun if you think it’ll make oyu feel better.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:08:21pm

You ahd the most progressive platform for the DNC in years but you bitch because we didn’t nominate the seventy five year old from the lily white state with little accomplishments to his name.

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wrenchwench  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:08:57pm

re: #475 Charles Johnson

Louise Mensch is in Chuck C. Johnson territory now - she doxed the wrong person, then refused to retract…

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If newspapers were still a thing, it would be time to spread them out on the floor. Tweets won’t do.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:09:10pm

re: #474 klys (maker of Silmarils)

A timely reminder of why we can’t have nice things.

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Little kid still pissed he didn’t get his pony.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:09:17pm

It must be really nice to live in a world where you can just casually dismiss Clinton’s health care views as not much different form Trump’s when it’s not you or people who you care about who will be affected worst by AHCA.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:09:47pm

re: #479 Targetpractice

Little kid still pissed he didn’t get his pony.

He’s going to be again because there’s no fucking way the Dems nominate Bernine in 2020 and more importantly no fucking reason should they.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:12:00pm

re: #474 klys (maker of Silmarils)

A timely reminder of why we can’t have nice things.

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I am old enough to remember when the GOP cooked up the individual mandate (i.e., the basis of the ACA) as a conservative response to “Hillarycare”.

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:12:02pm

re: #476 HappyWarrior

King has been on my shit list since last summer, and he epitomizes the fact-free Bernie or bust movement. He can’t help but lie about what Clinton did and represents, even as the GOP is now dismantling everything that King claims to hold dear.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:12:45pm

re: #483 lawhawk

King has been on my shit list since last summer, and he epitomizes the fact-free Bernie or bust movement. He can’t help but lie about what Clinton did and represents, even as the GOP is now dismantling everything that King claims to hold dear.

Yep.

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:14:40pm

I read about Shaun King and I wonder about the comments I see from time to time about how us boomers are the problem with the politics of this country.

How old is Shaun?

(Running off to look…)

37.

Political messes run through all ages.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:15:01pm

re: #463 HappyWarrior

Still amazed that people thought this asshole was presidential material. He’s a fucking chlid.

He is white, male, rich and therefore: smart.

What more does it take?

/gah

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ipsos  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:15:36pm

re: #481 HappyWarrior

He’s going to be again because there’s no fucking way the Dems nominate Bernine in 2020 and more importantly no fucking reason should they.

And if they did, I’d have to bite down REALLY hard at this point to vote for him. Really, really hard.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:16:09pm

Once we get back in office. I’d be happy to see all this dickbag reversed, reversed again but in 1 day.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:16:43pm

re: #487 ipsos

And if they did, I’d have to bite down REALLY hard at this point to vote for him. Really, really hard.

It would be har for me too.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:17:05pm

re: #475 Charles Johnson

Obvs not Cassandra either. Weird that she said it was.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:17:45pm

The thing is I think Sanders suffers from a lot of the same prolbems Trump does, he doesn’t consider other perspectives.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:17:52pm

A child votes based upon what he wants, no matter how difficult it is to achieve.

An adult votes based upon what he can achieve, putting off til tomorrow the things he wants.

Reforming the ACA was achievable, it could have been done in 4 years and addressed some of the biggest criticisms of the law. Scrapping it entirely and passing universal healthcare was not achievable in 4 years, it’s doubtful it could been done in 8.

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:21:10pm

re: #482 Timothy Watson

I am old enough to remember when the GOP cooked up the individual mandate (i.e., the basis of the ACA) as a conservative response to “Hillarycare”.

I think I mentioned it around here before, but I had contacted The Heritage Foundation asking them about the history of their healthcare policy like the mandate and the tax, etc.

They must have thought I was a journalist or something because they responded quickly and gave me lengthy messages, links to documents and web sites.

All of it was to play down they had anything to do with the actual legislation they were only kicking around ideas in their think tanks. They never actually proposed it as a good plan they said. I think they even said they thought it was an unworkable plan as they had found out in their research.

That was back in 2014.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:21:26pm

You know, I could get it they weren’t just so goddamned dismissive of anyone who favored Hillary. The whole you’re not a real progressive thing really pisses me off. I’m sorry and I hate to sound my relative older age but I knew who Bernie Sanders was when most of them weren’t involved politically. I’m old enough to know that a voting record isn’t the same as being a leader. There’s little if any about Sanders I see that screams out that he should be in charge of the nation. There’s plenty of people with identical voting records to him so why should he “lead” the revolution? Especially if he’s someone who seems completely indifferent to the issues important ot many in our base?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:22:47pm

And with that, I’m making a beer run guys. First weekend in a while I’m not doing political stuff and I wanna have some me time.

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:23:57pm

re: #495 HappyWarrior

And with that, I’m making a beer run guys. First weekend in a while I’m not doing political stuff and I wanna have some me time.

Well then…enjoy you!

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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:24:25pm

re: #486 Birth Control Works

He is white, male, rich and therefore: smart.

What more does it take?

/gah

White, male and rich - all inherited traits. Smart is the supposition that doesn’t carry since every time anyone talks to the guy he sounds like an addled 2 year old (and 2 year olds are more coherent).

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:26:44pm

re: #497 lawhawk

White, male and rich - all inherited traits. Smart is the supposition that doesn’t carry since every time anyone talks to the guy he sounds like an addled 2 year old (and 2 year olds are more coherent).

people said the same thing about Bush II. Not being articulate or verbally talented is not a sign of intelligence. Ask any dyslexic.

I will add that Trump is an exception to the rule.

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thecommodore  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:29:29pm
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lawhawk  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:35:55pm

WTF…. saw a pickup truck running with a flag that has a cross between a confederate flag and the US flag w/Dont Treat on Me. This is what that idiotic flag looks like.

Does this nitwit know that those are completely incompatible ideas? Naw, probably not.

1) We’re in NYC metro area, so what kind of southern pride are you talking about?
2) The Confederacy were the secessionists who fought to maintain institution of slavery;
3) The Confederacy didn’t have a problem treading all over the rights of minorities. Their historical successors still don’t.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:36:14pm

Cuban ambassador to US trolls Trump
-Thehill

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makeitstop  Jun 16, 2017 • 12:40:12pm

re: #467 The Vicious Babushka

0MG TEH LIBRULS IS TEH WORST TERRISTS EVER!!!!! LIBTARDS IS KILLING EVERYONE!!!! HELPS!!! BAN LIBRULS!!!!

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Snowflake.

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CleverToad  Jun 16, 2017 • 3:29:01pm

re: #206 sagehen

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In re: the hardball filibuster-by-amendment proposal, my Dem senator’s staffer says yes, he’s aware of it. Hasn’t said yes, he’d do it but the staffer says he’s looking at every feasible option to fight this thing.


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