Video: John Oliver Takes a Deep Dive Into Coal Mining and Trump’s Fakery

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John Oliver continues doing some of the best long-form comedy-analysis on television with this fascinating look at the issues and personalities related to Donald Trump’s favorite environment-destroying pollutant: coal.

(Language possibly NSFW.)

We’ve heard a lot of talk about coal miners in the last year, but what are the real issues surrounding coal? John Oliver and a giant squirrel look into it.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:15:37pm

It’s raining in NYC.

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:16:14pm

More songs about whiskey and getting laid

Elise Davis - “Make The Kill”

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Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:17:20pm

You’ve gotta watch this video all the way to the end, because it’s all kinds of awesome.

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:17:33pm

Stupid tweet of the day by Brenda Creech

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:22:01pm

The only way to hold corporations accountable for their misbehavior is to charge and convict senior management including CEO’s of crimes and sentence them to hard time in prison. The coal company executive profiled on John Oliver last night is probably responsible for the deaths of the coal miners working in his mines. I am tired of executives getting away with murder and financial wrongdoing. They need to pay — their crimes are far worse than anything Blagojevich committed — but he was sentenced to 14 years in prison.

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KGxvi  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:22:34pm

re: #4 gocart mozart

Stupid tweet of the day

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We obviously need someone to make a movie version of Julius Caesar like the Leo Dicaprio version of Romeo and Juliet. Because apparently, that’s the only way to get people to even think about learning the classics.

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darthstar  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:25:24pm

It’s hot in San Francisco - 74 excruciatingly hot degrees - I went for a swim at lunch and worked up a sweat walking back to the office after.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:26:21pm

re: #6 KGxvi

We obviously need someone to make a movie version of Julius Caesar like the Leo Dicaprio version of Romeo and Juliet. Because apparently, that’s the only way to get people to even think about learning the classics.

Funnily enough Steve Bannon produced a version of Titus Andronicus. I remember watching it after I read the play. Very surreal adaptation imo. But Sir Anthony Hopkins is always a plus.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:26:21pm

re: #6 KGxvi

We obviously need someone to make a movie version of Julius Caesar like the Leo Dicaprio version of Romeo and Juliet. Because apparently, that’s the only way to get people to even think about learning the classics.

I wonder if anyone bothered reading Hamlet after watching Sons of Anarchy.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:27:18pm

re: #4 gocart mozart

Stupid tweet of the day by Brenda Creech

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What do you expect of most Trump supporters anyway? Except for the 1% who will actually benefit from the Trump tax cuts, most Trump fans are ignorant, even those who have advanced college degrees.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:28:14pm

re: #7 darthstar

It’s hot in San Francisco - 74 excruciatingly hot degrees - I went for a swim at lunch and worked up a sweat walking back to the office after.

Oh dear. I hope you are watching to make sure you don’t suffer from heat stroke or anything like that, it can definitely sneak up on you in those warm temperatures.

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blueraven  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:28:34pm

Ugh. Alan Grayson is toxic. Go away!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:29:41pm

re: #12 blueraven

Wow, what an asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:30:04pm

re: #12 blueraven

Ugh. Alan Grayson is toxic. Go away!

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Yeah not a Grayson fan. He’s a jerk and ineffective at that too.

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:30:20pm
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covfefe  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:31:21pm

When Ossoff loses tomorrow, let’s please not go down the “Well. It’s Georgia! Nobody expected him to win in a +20 Trump district anyway” road. It’s way past time we need actual true victories. Time has run out long ago.

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blueraven  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:32:09pm

re: #16 covfefe

When Ossoff loses tomorrow, let’s please not go down the “Well. It’s Georgia! Nobody expected him to win in a +20 Trump district anyway” road. It’s way past time we need actual true victories. Time has run out long ago.

When?

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darthstar  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:32:52pm

re: #11 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Oh dear. I hope you are watching to make sure you don’t suffer from heat stroke or anything like that, it can definitely sneak up on you in those warm temperatures.

It’s 100+ at our other office…was 98 yesterday when my wife and I came over the hill from the coast to see a show (Gordon Lightfoot at a winery - fun). Was nice to get home after and have it be 59 out…slept with the windows wide open.

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KGxvi  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:35:25pm

re: #9 Timothy Watson

I wonder if anyone bothered reading Hamlet after watching Sons of Anarchy.

I’m guessing that 93% of SoA viewers didn’t know it was based on Hamlet. It does raise a question for me though… who were the SoA versions of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern?

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darthstar  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:37:04pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:38:20pm

re: #20 darthstar

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Well at least she’s honest but fuck her.

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KGxvi  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:38:28pm

re: #20 darthstar

I’m assuming Andy is getting bombarded with Georgia Peach responses?

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darthstar  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:38:35pm

Does this qualify as a ‘leak’? I consider it more of an intentional cyber-attack or cyber-sabotage.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:39:03pm

re: #16 covfefe

When Ossoff loses tomorrow, let’s please not go down the “Well. It’s Georgia! Nobody expected him to win in a +20 Trump district anyway” road. It’s way past time we need actual true victories. Time has run out long ago.

You are so right — the GOP will continue with their destructive ways as long as they can win — by 1 vote or by 10%, it won’t matter. And they will continue to restrict voting rights so that they can retain a permanent advantage. The GOP will never do what is right because it is right: they are only interested in retaining power by whatever means possible.

I do fear that Hodgkinson harmed Ossoff, especially with the contemptible Handel ad on the shooting and with the fact he attacked her directly. With a race as close as this, every small disadvantage looms large.

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darthstar  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:39:05pm

re: #22 KGxvi

I’m assuming Andy is getting bombarded with Georgia Peach responses?

Probably…was going to but figured there were probably enough already.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:39:25pm

re: #10 Hecuba’s daughter

What do you expect of most Trump supporters anyway? Except for the 1% who will actually benefit from the Trump tax cuts, most Trump fans are ignorant, even those who have advanced college degrees.

They believe that chocolate milk comes from brown cows….

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:39:39pm

re: #16 covfefe

When Ossoff loses tomorrow, let’s please not go down the “Well. It’s Georgia! Nobody expected him to win in a +20 Trump district anyway” road. It’s way past time we need actual true victories. Time has run out long ago.

I’m curious why. We all know a good chunk of the electorate is crazy, and they are concentrated in the southern states. Democrats are spending heavily there, including the national party.

Now that he’s spoken, we can blame Bernie if Ossoff loses. //

Seriously, though, we’re actually putting up a pretty good fight there and Ossoff is doing some great campaigning.

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blueraven  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:39:49pm

re: #14 HappyWarrior

Yeah not a Grayson fan. He’s a jerk and ineffective at that too.

The whole message is childish and stupid anyway. Make Trump Angry, Vote for Ossoff.

Sounds like the republican’s “Piss off a Liberal” slogan.
I think we can do better than that.

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darthstar  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:39:58pm

Fuck you Donald. Fuck you hard.

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sagehen  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:41:55pm

re: #19 KGxvi

I’m guessing that 93% of SoA viewers didn’t know it was based on Hamlet. It does raise a question for me though… who were the SoA versions of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern?

Sheriff Roosevelt, DA Patterson.

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darthstar  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:43:55pm

Trying to figure out a polite way to address Republicans partaking in this shit show of abuse of power…

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Kragar  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:44:42pm

re: #29 darthstar

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blueraven  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:45:51pm

re: #23 darthstar

Does this qualify as a ‘leak’? I consider it more of an intentional cyber-attack or cyber-sabotage.

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Unsecured Server!! Lock ‘em up!

The various databases containing 198 million records on American voters from all political parties were found stored on an open Amazon S3 storage server owned by a Republican data analytics firm, Deep Root Analytics.

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darthstar  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:47:36pm

re: #33 blueraven

Unsecured Server!! Lock ‘em up!

Nobody will mind if we just leave these lying here…

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blueraven  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:48:46pm

re: #34 darthstar

Nobody will mind if we just leave these lying here…

Maybe the Russians can make some sense of this data…

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bratwurst  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:48:52pm

Stupidity alert!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:51:18pm

re: #36 bratwurst

Stupidity alert!

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Plenty got tortured by Pinochet. I don’t see Elliott objecting to praising capitalism. The NK regime is awful but there’s a big difference between what they are and democratic socialists.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:51:42pm

re: #29 darthstar

Fuck you Donald. Fuck you hard.

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Really?

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piratedan  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:52:17pm

re: #31 darthstar

you almost have to applaud the naked hubris in Cornyn’s statement… Dems refuse to help address the issues in the ACA’s runaway premiums… lets break that down shall we…

the number of times the GOP allowed open hearings to address the deficiencies in the ACA…. that would be zero…

the number of times that the GOP controlled House and Senate introduced measures to address/modify the existing ACA… that would be zero

the number of open sessions that the GOP Senate has scheduled while they craft their own version of the AHCA… that would be zero

the number of Dems that have been given an opportunity to see the legislation in progress to offer any kind of input… that would also be zero

the idea that this guy has any close acquaintance with the truth in regards to the current legislation, will most likely be the first one

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darthstar  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:52:21pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:54:18pm

re: #36 bratwurst

Stupidity alert!

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or Juche dynastic authoritarianism.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:55:13pm

re: #41 Barefoot Grin

or Juche dynastic authoritarianism.

Nah that would involve nuance.

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BeachDem  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:57:11pm

re: #23 darthstar

Does this qualify as a ‘leak’? I consider it more of an intentional cyber-attack or cyber-sabotage.

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More like cyber-stupidity. (My understanding is that they put it in a cloud doc with no password required. I could be wrong—there’s always a first time!)

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EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2017 • 2:58:52pm

re: #11 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Oh dear. I hope you are watching to make sure you don’t suffer from heat stroke or anything like that, it can definitely sneak up on you in those warm temperatures.

My only goal for yesterday was not perishing of heat stroke. I admittedly find it difficult to feel the pain of SF residents in this heat wave.

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Donnyboy  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:00:10pm

Hi all. Just joined and so happy to be part of this community.

I have been an admirer for a long time and wanted to share any way I can.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:00:14pm

Why is Senator Feinstein making pronouncements about an investigation which isn’t even complete as yet? I see that her “no evidence of collusion” nonsense is being touted by Rightwing websites and Newt to absolve Trump. I really wish Democrats would keep their mouths shut instead of helping to normalize the Bigot in the White House.

realclearpolitics.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:01:22pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

You’ve gotta watch this video all the way to the end, because it’s all kinds of awesome.

I did, and it is.

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blueraven  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:02:43pm

re: #36 bratwurst

Stupidity alert!

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Yeah, but had it been a young black guy in America who stole a poster and got shot by the police? Well, he was a thug so…

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Nyet  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:03:53pm

re: #12 blueraven

Both Grayson and Weiner, those “liberal” firebrands, turned out to be swindlers. Less emotion, more action (Hillary…).

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Nyet  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:05:13pm

re: #45 Donnyboy

Hi. Have you brought beer? Or at least a bear.

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:05:40pm

re: #45 Donnyboy

Hi all. Just joined and so happy to be part of this community.

I have been an admirer for a long time and wanted to share any way I can.

Greetings, Hatchling. Beer, pizza, and the odd cat pic will do.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:06:03pm

re: #45 Donnyboy

Welcome aboard!

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covfefe  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:07:54pm

re: #27 Belafon

We need wins. Not “He put up a good fight. Nobody expected it to be this close”.

Handel is a despicable human being. If we can’t find a way to make that point to enough people so they realize there are better alternatives, then yes. Trump will get re-elected.

How can we do this in a place like Georgia? I’m open to ideas.

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Donnyboy  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:09:12pm

re: #51 makeitstop

Sounds good to me, thanks!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:09:15pm

re: #28 blueraven

The whole message is childish and stupid anyway. Make Trump Angry, Vote for Ossoff.

Sounds like the republican’s “Piss off a Liberal” slogan.
I think we can do better than that.

Yeah I agree with that too.

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Donnyboy  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:09:25pm

re: #52 Hecuba’s daughter

Thank you thank you!!

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:10:24pm

Flynn. Holy shit.

In the midst of the 2016 presidential campaign, then-Trump adviser Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn made an unreported trip to the Middle East to work on a joint U.S.-Russian venture in Saudi Arabia, possibly having multiple contacts with Saudi officials that he failed to disclose when seeking renewal of his security clearances, according to Democrats who are seeking detailed records of Flynn’s travels.

“Most troubling of all, we have no record of General Flynn identifying on his security clearance renewal application - or during his interview with security clearance investigators - even a single foreign government he had contact with,” wrote Reps. Elijah Cummings and Eliot Engel, the ranking members of the House oversight and foreign affairs committees, in a letter published on Monday.

The Democrats have demanded documents related to all of Flynn’s work on the Saudi nuclear venture, which not only involved a joint Russian-U.S. effort to construct the nuclear reactors, but a plan to have Arab countries repay the Russians with the purchase of “Russian military hardware,” the letter says, citing internal documents from companies involved in trying to solidify the deal.

You fuckin’ kidding me?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:11:28pm

re: #57 makeitstop

Flynn. Holy shit.

You fuckin’ kidding me?

America First Russia First.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:12:29pm
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freetoken  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:13:01pm

re: #46 Patricia Kayden

The good-ol-boy-ism of the Senate really works against justice in the US at times.

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:14:13pm
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EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:14:55pm

Driftglass on the both-siderist Big Lie is always worth reading driftglass.blogspot.com

This very simple, very big lie is the central pillar that props up the entire mainstream media. And every member of the the Church’s hierarchy who participates in the promulgation of this Big Lie — from Pope Bias the First himself, Bishop of the Acela Corridor, aka, Vicar of Both Sides, Successor of the Prince of the Kristols, Supreme Pontiff of the Washington Beltway, Primate of Fake Centrism, Archbishop and Metropolitan of Humility, Sovereign of True Conservatism’s City State and Servant of the servants of the Church of Lyin’tology …

…to the lowliest parish priest damn well knows it’s a lie, which is why the regular distribution of those Very Large Bags of Money is so important to the life and health of the Church.

The Church remains respectable and profitable because it appeals directly to the mingy souls of America’s tens of millions of political cowards and frauds. A vast and timorous herd of The Uncommitted who live in perpetual terror of having to stand up and take sides on any issue find peace-of-mind in the Church’s cynical message, while an equally vast and bilious mob of Republicans cosplaying as “Independents” find a safe, nonjudgmental place to hide out from the consequences of a life spent listening to Rush, watching Hannity, hating the Kenyan Usurper and voting for monsters.

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Lidane  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:16:06pm

Hoo boy:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:16:26pm

re: #11 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Oh dear. I hope you are watching to make sure you don’t suffer from heat stroke or anything like that, it can definitely sneak up on you in those warm temperatures.

I’m fairly certain that the lizards who are actually dealing with 100+F are really sympathetic with darthstar.
And they are LOLing all over with that “joke’/sarcasm/satire”.

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Skip Intro  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:16:39pm

re: #61 gocart mozart

Trump on Kim Jong Un.

“A lot of people, I’m sure, tried to take that power away, whether it was his uncle or anybody else,” Trump said. “And he was able to do it. So obviously, he’s a pretty smart cookie.”

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Skip Intro  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:17:46pm

re: #63 Lidane

Will she start each press conference with her Nazi salute?

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:18:28pm

re: #63 Lidane

Hoo boy:

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Hey, where ya been?

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:19:36pm
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Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:19:37pm
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EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:20:21pm

re: #63 Lidane

Who would tr*mp rather look at — Sean Spicer or Laura Ingraham?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:20:37pm

re: #69 Dr. Matt

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The man who accused Chuck Hagel of being a Hamas sympathizer has no room to complain about anything partisan.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:21:06pm

re: #63 Lidane

Hoo boy:

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Well at least that means she won’t run for Senate in my state against Kaine.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:21:37pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

The man who accused Chuck Hagel of being a Hamas sympathizer has no room to complain about anything partisan.

I had to change the channel. What a clown.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:23:03pm

re: #73 Dr. Matt

I had to change the channel. What a clown.

I don’t blame you. My one wingnut friend loves him some Baby Whiplash.

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piratedan  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:23:23pm

re: #63 Lidane

I guess Michelle Bachman wasn’t available?

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Lidane  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:23:30pm

re: #67 makeitstop

Hey, where ya been?

Crazy busy. Started a new gig last August for an advertising agency. I thought leaving the political agency would give me free time. Hahahahaha, no.

Oh well. At least I got a raise out of the deal, and I was recently able to buy a new (to me) car. So I’ve got that going for me. :)

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:25:39pm

re: #76 Lidane

Crazy busy. Started a new gig last August for an advertising agency. I thought leaving the political agency would give me free time. Hahahahaha, no.

Oh well. At least I got a raise out of the deal, and I was recently able to buy a new (to me) car. So I’ve got that going for me. :)

That’s great! New gig is always good, new (to you) car also good.

And good to see you, however briefly (he said as he ran out the door to rehearsal).

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:26:16pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

I don’t blame you. My one wingnut friend loves him some Baby Whiplash.

My husband was hypnotized by Ben Shapiro for a while. Don’t know how the hell that happened but that passed quickly. Thank goodness.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:26:54pm

re: #78 Patricia Kayden

My husband was hypnotized by Ben Shapiro for a while. Don’t know how the hell that happened but that passed quickly. Thank goodness.

He’s such a childish prick.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:29:48pm

Link

Oops. Crappy auto-play video on that link.

Sorry if this has been posted before. This doesn’t really surprise me though. Bipolar disorder and substance abuse can go hand in hand with some people. Unfortunately, the current medications are far from adequate for some.

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EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:32:52pm

re: #63 Lidane

Sean Spicer does need to leave his present job, since he’s in serious danger of forgetting his own name and being forever known only as the Mouth Of Trump.

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darthstar  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:33:44pm

re: #63 Lidane

Hoo boy:

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The stupid, it squirms.

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bratwurst  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:38:56pm

This is either a broken clock moment or a blind squirrel finding a nut:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:40:06pm

re: #83 bratwurst

This is either a broken clock moment or a blind squirrel finding a nut:

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Dr. Tiller deserved better than you too Billy.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:40:28pm

re: #83 bratwurst

Well, Alex Jones is a certain kind of nut…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:40:29pm

re: #83 bratwurst

When even Bill O’Reilly thinks you’re nuts…

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KGxvi  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:41:38pm

re: #63 Lidane

Hoo boy:

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I thought she was going to primary Flake in Arizona. I’m not sure which is more entertaining.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:42:23pm

Well, that’s one way to play it…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:42:41pm

re: #87 KGxvi

I thought she was going to primary Flake in Arizona. I’m not sure which is more entertaining.

There were rumors that she’d run against Kaine here in Va too.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:45:01pm

Evening Lizardim.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:45:45pm

re: #63 Lidane

Hoo boy:

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Lily Von Shtuupid!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:50:04pm

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:57:54pm

re: #53 covfefe

We need wins. Not “He put up a good fight. Nobody expected it to be this close”.

Handel is a despicable human being. If we can’t find a way to make that point to enough people so they realize there are better alternatives, then yes. Trump will get re-elected.

How can we do this in a place like Georgia? I’m open to ideas.

Kind of late. The election is tomorrow.

And from what I can tell, it is a statistical tie in the polling. Last week did not help at all.

And one more point. Too many people are despicable human voters. It is going to be tough to beat them until they realize they are their own worst enemies. You can’t fix stupid, you can only hope they begin to learn something.

I don’t understand this whole thing about not saying you put up a good fight. There is always a chance for defeat, look around. All anyone can do is vote and encourage others. If Ossoff loses, should we all be super pissed off, or what? “We” didn’t do anything wrong, “they” did.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 19, 2017 • 3:58:49pm

Apparently someone has been studying history at Trump University…

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blueraven  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:00:23pm

SMH

WASHINGTON—Senate GOP leaders are planning to vote next week on legislation to repeal large chunks of the Affordable Care Act, even though they don’t yet appear to have secured enough support to pass it.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.) is intent on keeping pressure on Senate Republicans to move quickly on the bill rolling back and replacing much of the 2010 health law, lawmakers and GOP aides said. The push for a quick vote could backfire, however, as some conservative and centrist Republicans have expressed concern about the emerging shape of the bill.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:02:51pm

re: #95 blueraven

Doesn’t the damn thing have to go back to the House even if the Senate does pass it?

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:03:13pm

Anybody know what happened in the Order to Show Cause hearing for Chuck C Johnson’s Fresno Superior Court lawsuit against Gawker? Hearing was on Thursday but no document or update on the court website yet.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:03:38pm

re: #96 Eclectic Cyborg

Yes. It is highly unlikely that both bills will be the same.

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blueraven  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:04:40pm

re: #96 Eclectic Cyborg

Doesn’t the damn thing have to go back to the House even if the Senate does pass it?

yes

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:06:35pm

re: #57 makeitstop

Flynn. Holy shit.

You fuckin’ kidding me?

Getting clearer as to why Trump wanted to protect Flynn. It appears they were back dooring the USA before the election. And of course, Russians.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:12:54pm

After spending the past 45 minutes listening to a required company anti-corruption course, all I could think is that Trump’s organization violates this on a daily basis. Maybe the course should be rewritten to explain how best to bribe officials and which bribes are most worth accepting. It’s as though everything we are warned against — including placing unqualified people in positions because they are relatives of government officials “cough” Ivanka “cough” Jared “cough” — is in practice under this administration,

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:15:25pm

re: #100 ObserverArt

Getting clearer as to why Trump wanted to protect Flynn. It appears they were back dooring the USA before the election. And of course, Russians.

Flynn went to Saudi Arabia for the waters.

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calochortus  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:19:50pm

OT: I thought I’d see if I could replace my non-functioning iron’s cord. First step, remove screw and take a look. But no. It has a tamper-proof torx screw in it. So now I need to go buy a special driver-which is of course available at all respectable hardware stores, so that hardly makes it “tamper proof” it just delays my tampering.
Damn it, I want to tamper with it NOW!

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:21:00pm

re: #96 Eclectic Cyborg

Doesn’t the damn thing have to go back to the House even if the Senate does pass it?

That is my understanding. The whole damn process is basically trying to hide the hot potato no one can handle.

i guess they are hoping they can say they “passed” a bill in both houses, but if it crashes and never goes any further they can say they tried.

The big question I have is if they don’t pass anything, what is the healthcare programs in this country? They’ve pretty much killed Obamacare. I guess it just comes down to a scrap yard of programs that everyone has to be very leery about using.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:21:10pm

re: #103 calochortus

OT: I thought I’d see if I could replace my non-functioning iron’s cord. First step, remove screw and take a look. But no. It has a tamper-proof torx screw in it. So now I need to go buy a special driver-which is of course available at all respectable hardware stores, so that hardly makes it “tamper proof” it just delays my tampering.
Damn it, I want to tamper with it NOW!

With the driver, you’ll be able to tamper with it faster next time.

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wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:21:21pm

re: #103 calochortus

OT: I thought I’d see if I could replace my non-functioning iron’s cord. First step, remove screw and take a look. But no. It has a tamper-proof torx screw in it. So now I need to go buy a special driver-which is of course available at all respectable hardware stores, so that hardly makes it “tamper proof” it just delays my tampering.
Damn it, I want to tamper with it NOW!

Hammer and vice grips will get anything apart.

/back together not included.

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:23:03pm

Behold the actual voice of the Jared

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calochortus  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:23:25pm

re: #105 Decatur Deb

With the driver, you’ll be able to tamper with it faster next time.

Good point. I also don’t yet have a replacement cord. I did go ahead and get another iron, so it’s not time-critical. I just don’t want to throw out a perfectly good iron before its time. It will die more convincingly eventually and then I can haul out the new iron.

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calochortus  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:24:18pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

Hammer and vice grips will get anything apart.

/back together not included.

That did flit through my mind. Briefly. Very Briefly.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:24:40pm

re: #108 calochortus

Good point. I also don’t yet have a replacement cord. I did go ahead and get another iron, so it’s not time-critical. I just don’t want to throw out a perfectly good iron before its time. It will die more convincingly eventually and then I can haul out the new iron.

Are you ambipressterous?

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covfefe  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:25:19pm

Totally OT. This happened on Friday at Taste of Randolph in the Chi. Not my video, but I saw this girl doing her thing, and for a moment, I forgot about all the world’s BS.

Good ole Chicago house music. :)))

Facebook Post

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calochortus  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:26:57pm

re: #110 Decatur Deb

Are you ambipressterous?

You bet. I am also the proud owner of an old Ironrite hot mangle.

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wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:29:35pm

re: #112 calochortus

You bet. I am also the proud owner of an old Ironrite hot mangle.

Oooh, I haven’t seen a mangle since gramma’s basement. She had a wringer-washer, too. Used ‘em all the time.

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:29:47pm

re: #103 calochortus

OT: I thought I’d see if I could replace my non-functioning iron’s cord. First step, remove screw and take a look. But no. It has a tamper-proof torx screw in it. So now I need to go buy a special driver-which is of course available at all respectable hardware stores, so that hardly makes it “tamper proof” it just delays my tampering.
Damn it, I want to tamper with it NOW!

If you’re careful, you can loosen a torx screw with an allen wrench.

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:30:03pm

re: #7 darthstar

It’s hot in San Francisco - 74 excruciatingly hot degrees - I went for a swim at lunch and worked up a sweat walking back to the office after.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:31:18pm

re: #23 darthstar

Does this qualify as a ‘leak’? I consider it more of an intentional cyber-attack or cyber-sabotage.

[Embedded content]

I said elsewhere - now we know what Putin got for helping the GOP win the election.

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thecommodore  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:31:43pm

Sorry for the self promotion, but…well, one of Trump’s lawyers, Jay Sekulow, has a band.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:32:41pm

re: #114 makeitstop

If you’re careful, you can loosen a torx screw with an allen wrench.

Not if it’s one of those special ones with a pin in the middle. Even a standard Torx bit won’t do those.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:33:38pm

re: #111 covfefe

Totally OT. This happened on Friday at Taste of Randolph in the Chi. Not my video, but I saw this girl doing her thing, and for a moment, I forgot about all the world’s BS.

Good ole Chicago house music. :)))

[Embedded content]

SOON TO BE ILLEGAL IN MIKE PENCE’S AMERICA

Seriously though, that’s awesome. Girl’s got more groove in her little finger than I’ve ever had in my life.

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calochortus  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:33:41pm

re: #113 wrenchwench

Oooh, I haven’t seen a mangle since gramma’s basement. She had a wringer-washer, too. Used ‘em all the time.

It makes ironing the table linens after Thanksgiving dinner a lot easier. Or any time I have to handle ironing a lot of fabric.

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:34:17pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:34:27pm

re: #107 gocart mozart

Behold the actual voice of the Jared

[Embedded content]

He’ll never get a job as an FM jock.

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:35:24pm

re: #122 Blind Frog Belly White

He’ll never get a job as an FM jock.

Hell, he’s only got the job he’s got because he’s married to the boss.

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calochortus  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:35:29pm

re: #114 makeitstop

If you’re careful, you can loosen a torx screw with an allen wrench.

I have torx bits-just not with the hole in the middle for the “tamper proofing” pin on the screw-as noted by Blind Frog Belly White

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:35:44pm
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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:36:07pm

re: #120 calochortus

It makes ironing the table linens after Thanksgiving dinner a lot easier. Or any time I have to handle ironing a lot of fabric.

With a thing like that, you could snatch up some Klan contracts—light on the starch.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:37:19pm

re: #124 calochortus

I have torx bits-just not with the hole in the middle for the “tamper proofing” pin on the screw-as noted by Blind Frog Belly White

Just take yer drill, chuck up a 1/16” bit, and get it spinning. Then, holding the bit in your left hand, push it into the drill. Easy peasy!

What’s the worst that could happen?
//////////////////////////

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calochortus  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:37:30pm

re: #126 Decatur Deb

With a thing like that, you could snatch up some Klan contracts—light on the starch.

Or gently scorch them a nice light brown…

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:37:36pm

re: #117 thecommodore

Sorry for the self promotion, but…well, one of Trump’s lawyers, Jay Sekulow, has a band.

littlegreenfootballs.com

So it’s the same Sekulow. Watching that name drift by in contrasting contexts has been driving me.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:38:36pm

re: #128 calochortus

Or gently scorch them a nice light brown…

The sheets? Or the Klansmen?
//

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calochortus  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:39:03pm

re: #127 Blind Frog Belly White

Just take yer drill, chuck up a 1/16” bit, and get it spinning. Then, holding the bit in your left hand, push it into the drill. Easy peasy!

What’s the worst that could happen?
//////////////////////////

You are addressing someone who ended up with 5 stitches in a finger after deciding a chisel would be a good tool to pry something apart with. In my defense I was probably 12 at the time.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:39:15pm

re: #129 Decatur Deb

So it’s the same Sekulow. Watching that name drift by in contrasting contexts has been driving me.

Sekulow and seculorum.

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calochortus  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:39:30pm

re: #130 Blind Frog Belly White

The sheets? Or the Klansmen?
//

Why not both?

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Weaselone  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:40:15pm

re: #53 covfefe

We need wins. Not “He put up a good fight. Nobody expected it to be this close”.

Handel is a despicable human being. If we can’t find a way to make that point to enough people so they realize there are better alternatives, then yes. Trump will get re-elected.

How can we do this in a place like Georgia? I’m open to ideas.

Polls have consistently shown this as a pretty close race. I suspect Ossoff would have had the edge, but that nutcase attacking Republican congressmen at baseball practice probably will tilt things the other way. There was no way to prepare for such an event and not enough time to effectively push back.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:40:35pm

re: #129 Decatur Deb

So it’s the same Sekulow. Watching that name drift by in contrasting contexts has been driving me.

I love their song “Mesothelioma” where he croons, “if you or a loved one….”

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:41:04pm

re: #132 Blind Frog Belly White

Sekulow and seculorum.

One for the ages.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:42:00pm

re: #131 calochortus

You are addressing someone who ended up with 5 stitches in a finger after deciding a chisel would be a good tool to pry something apart with. In my defense I was probably 12 at the time.

Being 12 is a good excuse.

It’s when you’re an adult that you do something stupid and it goes bad, and in the brief moment before the pain hits, you think, “Oh, shit. That was really STUPID!” and “I bet this will hurt like a motherfucker!”

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TedStriker  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:43:38pm

re: #122 Blind Frog Belly White

He’ll never get a job as an FM jock.

You must be a Harry Chapin fan…don’t worry, I am too.

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:44:27pm

re: #137 Blind Frog Belly White

Being 12 is a good excuse.

It’s when you’re an adult that you do something stupid and it goes bad, and in the brief moment before the pain hits, you think, “Oh, shit. That was really STUPID!” and “I bet this will hurt like a motherfucker!”

Like hitting a jump on skis and midair you know things are going to go south as soon as you hit the snow. It’s pretty surreal, like time slows down for you to articulate in your head “Oh shit, this is going hurt.”

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:45:40pm

re: #129 Decatur Deb

So it’s the same Sekulow. Watching that name drift by in contrasting contexts has been driving me.

Judging by what he did in that video, the best I can do is call him ‘a guy who hangs out with musicians.’

And I like that one dude’s LP Deluxe. Past that, I got nothin’.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:46:28pm

re: #138 TedStriker

Harry Chapin fan?

I was, till a serious Harry Chapin fan got a job as the Saturday night DJ on the college radio station. You know that one “She was gonna be an actress, and I was gonna learn to fly”? Yeah, got SO SICK of that one.

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:46:32pm

re: #139 teleskiguy

Like hitting a jump on skis and midair you know things are going to go south as soon as you hit the snow. It’s pretty surreal, like time slows down for you to articulate in your head “Oh shit, this is going hurt.”

Like this guy.

Jerry of the Day Blast Off

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covfefe  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:47:45pm

re: #134 Weaselone

Polls have consistently shown this as a pretty close race. I suspect Ossoff would have had the edge, but that nutcase attacking Republican congressmen at baseball practice probably will tilt things the other way. There was no way to prepare for such an event and not enough time to effectively push back.

You would think a politician using that tragedy for political gain would make the other person more popular. But these are modern day Republicans we are talking about.

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:47:46pm

@wxdam FTW.

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451_Montag  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:48:59pm

re: #103 calochortus

OT: I thought I’d see if I could replace my non-functioning iron’s cord. First step, remove screw and take a look. But no. It has a tamper-proof torx screw in it. So now I need to go buy a special driver-which is of course available at all respectable hardware stores, so that hardly makes it “tamper proof” it just delays my tampering.
Damn it, I want to tamper with it NOW!

Old trick for weird screws, may work. Get an old bic pen and remove the inner ink tube. Heat the pointy end with a longer. Just enough to melt, try not to set in fire. Push it onto the screw. Don,t move it but let it cool. When hard use it to unscrew. Used to take video game consoles apart using this trick. Does depend on how firm the screw is

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calochortus  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:49:39pm

re: #137 Blind Frog Belly White

Being 12 is a good excuse.

It’s when you’re an adult that you do something stupid and it goes bad, and in the brief moment before the pain hits, you think, “Oh, shit. That was really STUPID!” and “I bet this will hurt like a motherfucker!”

I was old enough to know it was stupid.
True story: I went to find my Mom while holding the cut edges on my finger together (fortunately I didn’t cut anything that impaired function, but there was blood.) She was on the back porch and I couldn’t open the door because I had one wounded hand and the other was holding the wound closed, but I attracted her attention and she came in, took one look at my finger and the fact I was standing on a small scatter rug in front of the back door and said “Don’t bleed on the rug, bleed in the sink. I’ll call the doctor.” True motherly concern.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:49:41pm

re: #139 teleskiguy

Like hitting a jump on skis and midair you know things are going to go south as soon as you hit the snow. It’s pretty surreal, like time slows down for you to articulate in your head “Oh shit, this is going hurt.”

That’s the very feeling when the main parachute fails, and you know you have to whip out a belly-mounted reserve. 160 to 3 mph in two seconds, attached at your belt buckle.

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stpaulbear  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:49:46pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:50:07pm

re: #139 teleskiguy

Like hitting a jump on skis and midair you know things are going to go south as soon as you hit the snow. It’s pretty surreal, like time slows down for you to articulate in your head “Oh shit, this is going hurt.”

Or you wallop your thumb with a hammer. You have just long enough before the pain starts to think how much it’s gonna throb….

Or you grab the metal handle of a saucepan lid with your bare hand and your reflexes make you let go and pull your hand away. Before the pain starts you just have time to register what happened and know that it’s gonna hurt….

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:52:14pm

re: #145 451_Montag

Old trick for weird screws, may work. Get an old bic pen and remove the inner ink tube. Heat the pointy end with a longer. Just enough to melt, try not to set in fire. Push it onto the screw. Don,t move it but let it cool. When hard use it to unscrew. Used to take video game consoles apart using this trick. Does depend on how firm the screw is

Chuck a No.2 pencil in a drill, hold the eraser hard against the weird screw. (Remember to set the drill to ‘reverse’.)

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calochortus  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:52:41pm

re: #145 451_Montag

Old trick for weird screws, may work. Get an old bic pen and remove the inner ink tube. Heat the pointy end with a longer. Just enough to melt, try not to set in fire. Push it onto the screw. Don,t move it but let it cool. When hard use it to unscrew. Used to take video game consoles apart using this trick. Does depend on how firm the screw is

Interesting idea, but I suspect this screw is in pretty firmly. I’ll try it if I can’t find an appropriate bit when I’m out and about tomorrow.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:55:30pm

re: #148 stpaulbear

I was walking the Greyhounds one evening, and a skunk came around the corner of a fence, about 10 yards ahead.

We saw each other at the same time and stopped dead, just staring at each other.

We both stood motionless, except for his tail, which slo-o-owly came up.

The doggies and I crossed the street, and the skunk went on about his business.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:55:35pm

re: #151 calochortus

Interesting idea, but I suspect this screw is in pretty firmly. I’ll try it if I can’t find an appropriate bit when I’m out and about tomorrow.

Fry’s should have them. That’s where I got my set.

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TedStriker  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:55:37pm

re: #141 Blind Frog Belly White

I was, till a serious Harry Chapin fan got a job as the Saturday night DJ on the college radio station. You know that one “She was gonna be an actress, and I was gonna learn to fly”? Yeah, got SO SICK of that one.

I love “Taxi”…if I’m in a bit of melancholic mood, especially if I’m driving home at night after work, and it pops on my car radio, I’ll put it on repeat for a couple of plays.

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:56:35pm

re: #150 Decatur Deb

Chuck a No.2 pencil in a drill, hold the eraser hard against the weird screw. (Remember to set the drill to ‘reverse’.)

A cheap easy-out eh?

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451_Montag  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:57:04pm

re: #139 teleskiguy

Like hitting a jump on skis and midair you know things are going to go south as soon as you hit the snow. It’s pretty surreal, like time slows down for you to articulate in your head “Oh shit, this is going hurt.”

I had EXACTLY the same experience on my BMX when I was younger. The moment I hit the top of the jump I knew nothing was going to go right, just a point in time when I felt like I had all the time in the world to think “There is no good solution to this”. Soon passed though, broken wrist to remind me afterwards. Old Eddie Fiola GT Pro Performer, with Z Rims. I loved that bike.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:57:08pm

re: #96 Eclectic Cyborg

Doesn’t the damn thing have to go back to the House even if the Senate does pass it?

yeppers. Senate is changing it so it has to go back to the House.

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calochortus  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:59:07pm

re: #153 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Fry’s should have them. That’s where I got my set.

The Internets say they do, as well as Home Depot and various other locations.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2017 • 4:59:50pm

re: #155 ObserverArt

A cheap easy-out eh?

Could save on the “Drive-to-Lowe’s” phase of a job. Won’t work on stiff screw.

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TedStriker  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:00:21pm

re: #154 TedStriker

I love “Taxi”…if I’m in a bit of melancholic mood, especially if I’m driving home at night after work, and it pops on my car radio, I’ll put it on repeat for a couple of plays.

BTW, “Sequel”, while I do like it as part of Chapin’s body of work, just doesn’t compare favorably to me to “TaxI”.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:01:42pm

re: #144 teleskiguy

@wxdam FTW.

[Embedded content]

Yes. This is correct. I want to win this but this is an election that the GOP shouldn’t even have to worry about.

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Weaselone  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:03:05pm

re: #143 covfefe

You would think a politician using that tragedy for political gain would make the other person more popular. But these are modern day Republicans we are talking about.

I think it would backfire given a longer time frame. Initially though, it’s probably going to create a rally to the Republican effect and Handel’s adds will probably succeed in transferring some of the rage and disgust of the event to Ossoff. Given a couple of more weeks, time to process and Ossoff push back, we’d probably see the disgust rebound on Handel, but I don’t think there is enough time for that. Of course, I could be underestimating people. At this point, maybe the reaction to the add will be disgust with Handel.

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EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:05:25pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

Yes. This is correct. I want to win this but this is an election that the GOP shouldn’t even have to worry about.

Special elections like this are thoroughly unrepresentative of reality. It will be great if Ossoff wins, and a narrow Republican win should make the GOP nervous.

But what I really want to see out of the Democratic party is an action plan vs. the massive losses (especially at the state level) of the past few years.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:05:30pm

Honestly it just pisses me off. Republicans repeatedly talk about firearms being used against the government when it gets tyrannical. Okay, so then, Hopkinson determined that the government acted tyrannical and took it to the next conclusion. I certainly do NOT condone what he did and it was horrible but it has consistently been Republicans that have promoted guns as a solution to a “tyrannical government.” And I’m tired of the crocodile tears from conservatives who told us that our feelings didn’t matter because we thought a presidential candidate who talked the way Trump did had no business in office.

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:07:49pm

re: #159 Decatur Deb

Could save on the “Drive-to-Lowe’s” phase of a job. Won’t work on stiff screw.

Sounds like a good soaking of penetrating oil to help is in order too. Maybe coat the screw and let it work overnight. I find doing as much prep work is always key along with patience. Maybe a little heat to the general area would help too. Sometimes expansion and contraction helps and it may get the oil flowing into the threads.

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EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:07:49pm

re: #164 HappyWarrior

Honestly it just pisses me off. Republicans repeatedly talk about firearms being used against the government when it gets tyrannical. Okay, so then, Hopkinson determined that the government acted tyrannical and took it to the next conclusion. I certainly do NOT condone what he did and it was horrible but it has consistently been Republicans that have promoted guns as a solution to a “tyrannical government.” And I’m tired of the crocodile tears from conservatives who told us that our feelings didn’t matter because we thought a presidential candidate who talked the way Trump did had no business in office.

From a sufficiently cold-blooded point of view, the Scalise shooting is a perfect domestic example of blowback.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:09:57pm

re: #167 EPR-radar

From a sufficiently cold-blooded point of view, the Scalise shooting is a perfect domestic example of blowback.

One thing’s for sure. Maybe Scalise will think twice about posing with guns as if they’re toys for ads in the future.

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b_sharp  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:14:36pm

Go buy the torx tamperproof bits/drivers. You’ll likely use them more than once & they also work with regular torx screws. I have several sets.

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b_sharp  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:15:45pm

re: #159 Decatur Deb

Could save on the “Drive-to-Lowe’s” phase of a job. Won’t work on stiff screw.

I try to have stiff screws all the time. Floppy screws don’t work well.

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:16:07pm
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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:16:32pm

re: #169 b_sharp

Go buy the torx tamperproof bits/drivers. You’ll likely use them more than once & they also work with regular torx screws. I have several sets.

Or admit that you are the exact self-destructive idiot the appliance designer was thinking about when she made it tamper-proof.

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:18:17pm
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b_sharp  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:19:57pm

re: #172 Decatur Deb

Or admit that you are the exact self-destructive idiot the appliance designer was thinking about when she made it tamper-proof.

I am that person. I’ve taken things apart I shouldn’t take apart since I was 7 yrs old.

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calochortus  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:20:41pm

re: #172 Decatur Deb

Or admit that you are the exact self-destructive idiot the appliance designer was thinking about when she made it tamper-proof.

I could not be that person. Because I know you can buy those tamper proof bits rendering the appliance tamperable.

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:21:43pm
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b_sharp  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:21:44pm

re: #172 Decatur Deb

Or admit that you are the exact self-destructive idiot the appliance designer was thinking about when she made it tamper-proof.

No wonder I have several sets of tamperproof torxs.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:22:23pm

re: #174 b_sharp

I am that person. I’ve taken things apart I shouldn’t take apart since I was 7 yrs old.

Of course we are. WW mentioned her grandmother’s wringer-washer. We had one too, until I burned a hole in it trying to recharge a 6v dry cell with 110 AC.

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:22:51pm

re: #173 gocart mozart

Even Mensch gets comments very quickly stating that she’s wrong.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:24:41pm

re: #139 teleskiguy

Like hitting a jump on skis and midair you know things are going to go south as soon as you hit the snow. It’s pretty surreal, like time slows down for you to articulate in your head “Oh shit, this is going hurt.”

and to add insult to injury: “…and the GOP just took away any chance of me having access to affordable health insurance…oh wait, there is no chance with GOP affordable health insurance because I’m doing risky ski shit…”

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Weaselone  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:27:51pm

re: #179 Belafon

Even Mensch gets comments very quickly stating that she’s wrong.

Mensch does come out with some pretty easy to counter whoppers. It helps that she appears to know next to nothing about the US system of government, its legal system, or laws.

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:28:33pm
183
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:29:47pm

re: #141 Blind Frog Belly White

I was, till a serious Harry Chapin fan got a job as the Saturday night DJ on the college radio station. You know that one “She was gonna be an actress, and I was gonna learn to fly”? Yeah, got SO SICK of that one.

ahhh. Harry Chapin’s “Taxi”

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EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:30:16pm

re: #173 gocart mozart

If your business model is based on lies, your best possible customer base in the world is US conservatives. No other identifiable group of people in the developed world has nearly the appetite for consuming lies disguised as news, or for telling lies of their own.

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:31:04pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

and to add insult to injury: “…and the GOP just took away any chance of me having access to affordable health insurance…oh wait, there is no chance with GOP affordable health insurance because I’m doing risky ski shit…”

With subsidies through Connect For Health Colorado, I pay a $275 monthly premium for the Bronze Plan (the cheapest they got) that I can barely afford, all because I live in a county with world class skiing. I would be paying about $80/month if I still lived in Denver. It’s a real problem that will get much worse. If the ACA is gutted my premiums are expected to skyrocket, more than I pay for rent. At that point I’ll probably forego health insurance and maybe stop skiing and riding my bike because it’s too risky.

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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:31:25pm
187
covfefe  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:31:47pm

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

I was walking the Greyhounds one evening, and a skunk came around the corner of a fence, about 10 yards ahead.

We saw each other at the same time and stopped dead, just staring at each other.

We both stood motionless, except for his tail, which slo-o-owly came up.

The doggies and I crossed the street, and the skunk went on about his business.

When I had my dog, he thought skunks were giant Oreo cookies.

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EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:32:17pm

re: #181 Weaselone

Mensch does come out with some pretty easy to counter whoppers. It helps that she appears to know next to nothing about the US system of government, its legal system, or laws.

There was some entertainment value in her nonsense about impeachment proceedings already being underway (oh how I wish that were true), but such misinformation does trouble the weak of mind.

189
teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:33:07pm

re: #185 teleskiguy

The fact that I typed this out and am contemplating such an outcome makes me want to cry, and punch a hole in the wall.

190
calochortus  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:33:24pm

re: #185 teleskiguy

With subsidies through Connect For Health Colorado, I pay a $275 monthly premium for the Bronze Plan (the cheapest they got) that I can barely afford, all because I live in a county with world class skiing. I would be paying about $80/month if I still lived in Denver. It’s a real problem that will get much worse. If the ACA is gutted my premiums are expected to skyrocket, more than I pay for rent. At that point I’ll probably forego health insurance and maybe stop skiing and riding my bike because it’s too risky.

That’s probably not the only reason for your insurance costs. Northern Calif. pays quite a bit more than Southern CA because our healthcare providers are more consolidated in Northern CA.

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EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:35:32pm

re: #185 teleskiguy

With subsidies through Connect For Health Colorado, I pay a $275 monthly premium for the Bronze Plan (the cheapest they got) that I can barely afford, all because I live in a county with world class skiing. I would be paying about $80/month if I still lived in Denver. It’s a real problem that will get much worse. If the ACA is gutted my premiums are expected to skyrocket, more than I pay for rent. At that point I’ll probably forego health insurance and maybe stop skiing and riding my bike because it’s too risky.

It’s a shame you’re paying such high rates. This effect of age and zip code being the only things insurers can use to set rates hadn’t occurred to me before now. Imagine how your non-skiing neighbors (if any) feel.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:36:10pm

re: #190 calochortus

That’s probably not the only reason for your insurance costs. Northern Calif. pays quite a bit more than Southern CA because our healthcare providers are more consolidated in Northern CA.

but Free Markets fix everything!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:36:31pm

re: #173 gocart mozart

JillShills and BernieOrBusters gobble up Fake News like it’s M&M’s

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makeitstop  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:36:42pm

re: #189 teleskiguy

The fact that I typed this out and am contemplating such an outcome makes me want to cry, and punch a hole in the wall.

Damn. That would be like me putting all my guitars in a closet and not playing them any more.

Hope it doesn’t come to that for you.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:36:52pm

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

I was walking the Greyhounds one evening, and a skunk came around the corner of a fence, about 10 yards ahead.

We saw each other at the same time and stopped dead, just staring at each other.

We both stood motionless, except for his tail, which slo-o-owly came up.

The doggies and I crossed the street, and the skunk went on about his business.

as it should be…

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calochortus  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:37:21pm

re: #192 Eclectic Cyborg

but Free Markets fix everything!

Of course they do. And we all check costs before having a heart attack or being hit by a truck because we’re responsible consumers.

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ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:37:41pm

re: #185 teleskiguy

With subsidies through Connect For Health Colorado, I pay a $275 monthly premium for the Bronze Plan (the cheapest they got) that I can barely afford, all because I live in a county with world class skiing. I would be paying about $80/month if I still lived in Denver. It’s a real problem that will get much worse. If the ACA is gutted my premiums are expected to skyrocket, more than I pay for rent. At that point I’ll probably forego health insurance and maybe stop skiing and riding my bike because it’s too risky.

You know a lot of people will be making decisions like that. And those are going to hurt the economy.

I don’t think the Republicans understand how everything all works in unison. I would bet good healthcare in this country would be good for business of all kinds.

And of course we can’t forget all the people in healthcare that are very concerned about what the current GOP healthcare thinking will do to their industry. That’s going to cost a lot of jobs.

But as many keep saying, the bad that will come of it may be needed before people understand.

I really do not get how fucking up the economy with bad bad healthcare policy and tax cuts for the rich meaning less money for everyone else is going to help business at all. It seems very short sighted.

198
caseyjr  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:37:51pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

The US state security apparatus tortured one of its own citizens unto insanity. I’m referring to Jose Padilla.

199
Barefoot Grin  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:37:54pm

re: #167 EPR-radar

From a sufficiently cold-blooded point of view, the Scalise shooting is a perfect domestic example of blowback.

And economic anxiety is a many-splendored thing.

200
William Lewis  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:38:46pm

re: #182 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

Saw this earlier. That’s pure brave enough to make me forget the Trumpenfuhrer for a bit.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:39:23pm

re: #196 calochortus

Of course they do. And we all check costs before having a heart attack or being hit by a truck because we’re responsible consumers.

And if your glaucoma surgery is outside your budget, you can make a rational consumer’s decision to go blind.

202
teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:39:48pm

re: #197 ObserverArt

I really do not get how fucking up the economy with bad bad healthcare policy and tax cuts for the rich meaning less money for everyone else is going to help business at all. It seems very short sighted.

Oh, I understand it. It’s naked bottomless greed.

203
covfefe  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:40:00pm

re: #182 gocart mozart

Trump’s Muslim ban literally shits on the sacrifices men like this are making.

204
EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:40:35pm

re: #197 ObserverArt

You know a lot of people will be making decisions like that. And those are going to hurt the economy.

I don’t think the Republicans understand how everything all works in unison. I would bet good healthcare in this country would be good for business of all kinds.

And of course we can’t forget all the people in healthcare that are very concerned about what the current GOP healthcare thinking will do to their industry. That’s going to cost a lot of jobs.

But as many keep saying, the bad that will come of it may be needed before people understand.

I really do not get how fucking up the economy with bad bad healthcare policy and tax cuts for the rich meaning less money for everyone else is going to help business at all. It seems very short sighted.

Republicans are incapable of governance. Their only plan when in office is to take as much money as they can in the form of tax cuts for themselves and sweetheart spending deals, also for themselves. A certain degree of short-sightedness is to be expected with this approach.

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:41:04pm

If you haven’t read this essay by Jim Wright, read it.

206
ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:41:21pm

re: #202 teleskiguy

Oh, I understand it. It’s naked bottomless greed.

Yeah, I guess a freebie hit of coin now can make you forget about profits in your businesses. But how long will that go on?

207
William Lewis  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:41:59pm

re: #189 teleskiguy

The fact that I typed this out and am contemplating such an outcome makes me want to cry, and punch a hole in the wall.

I can’t afford insurance under ACA much less TrumpDon’tCare. My only health care planning at this point is to find someone I can trust to unplug the respirator if need be.

208
calochortus  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:42:06pm

re: #197 ObserverArt

I think most GOP lawmakers understand that people may not know from whence their healthcare insurance comes, or even why they can’t get coverage and people in the next state over can, but the folks who lose coverage will surely remember who took their healthcare insurance away.

People will also notice if they leave the ACA in place and let it be eroded away. They promised to fix this and they can’t.
The pity is that so many will suffer if it doesn’t get fixed.

209
EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:43:31pm

re: #201 Decatur Deb

And if your glaucoma surgery is outside your budget, you can make a rational consumer’s decision to go blind.

I think we’ll see the first instance of “useless eaters” rhetoric from a Republican Federal elected official some time this year, most likely in relation to the upcoming GOP ‘tax reform’.

210
retired cynic  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:45:09pm

re: #205 teleskiguy

If you haven’t read this essay by Jim Wright, read it.

[Embedded content]

And the comments. I copied off three or four of them to keep at hand.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:46:03pm

re: #207 William Lewis

I can’t afford insurance under ACA much less TrumpDon’tCare. My only health care planning at this point is to find someone I can trust to unplug the respirator if need be.

When Wife and I were volunteer navigators we probably could only get about half of our customers into a plan. Our state would not take the free Yankee Medicaid expansion dollars. I got to talk to 30-yr olds who are going to die young.

212
gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:49:57pm
213
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:55:33pm

re: #174 b_sharp

I am that person. I’ve taken things apart I shouldn’t take apart since I was 7 yrs old.

me, too.
occasionally I was able to put things back together that bore no resemblance to the original.
and that was just fine.

214
calochortus  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:56:18pm

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

me, too.
occasionally I was able to put things back together that bore no resemblance to the original.
and that was just fine.

And then you could make things with all the “extra” parts. Right?

215
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:56:49pm

re: #181 Weaselone

Mensch does come out with some pretty easy to counter whoppers. It helps that she appears to know next to nothing about the US system of government, its legal system, or laws.

It’s becoming apparent that Louise knows next to nothing about anything other than the grift.

216
makeitstop  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:57:03pm

re: #214 calochortus

And then you could make things with all the “extra” parts. Right?

The leftover parts were always kinda problematic.

217
gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:57:28pm
218
Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:57:31pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:57:49pm

re: #185 teleskiguy

With subsidies through Connect For Health Colorado, I pay a $275 monthly premium for the Bronze Plan (the cheapest they got) that I can barely afford, all because I live in a county with world class skiing. I would be paying about $80/month if I still lived in Denver. It’s a real problem that will get much worse. If the ACA is gutted my premiums are expected to skyrocket, more than I pay for rent. At that point I’ll probably forego health insurance and maybe stop skiing and riding my bike because it’s too risky.

that would be my point.

220
Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:58:02pm

re: #216 makeitstop

The leftover parts were always kinda problematic.

Shit’s always over-engineered.

221
calochortus  Jun 19, 2017 • 5:58:25pm

Dinner time.

222
teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2017 • 6:00:08pm

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

that would be my point.

Just thought I’d throw out a personal story, thus proving your point. :)

223
stpaulbear  Jun 19, 2017 • 6:01:11pm

re: #217 gocart mozart

Cats turn men gay too. It’s a FACT!

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Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2017 • 6:01:15pm

re: #217 gocart mozart

I can remember a diatribe by Cicero or such attacking 1st C BC Roman women for exactly the same thing, although he was focussed on the pet monkey fad.

225
teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2017 • 6:02:17pm

re: #223 stpaulbear

Cats turn men gay too. It’s a FACT!

I’ve had four cats in my life. Why am I not gay?!?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2017 • 6:04:11pm

re: #214 calochortus

And then you could make things with all the “extra” parts. Right?

yep

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stpaulbear  Jun 19, 2017 • 6:07:04pm

re: #225 teleskiguy

I’ve had four cats in my life. Why am I not gay?!?

Because you don’t love your cats enough. Duh.
///////

(I turned gay on my first cat)


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