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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:15:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:16:49pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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Or maybe they get fed up with their Trump supporting friends who do nothing but post their bullshit on Facebook. I ahd to stop following my one friend on FB because he posted nothing but right wing bullshit all day.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:17:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:18:48pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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Yep, I’m tired of being condescended to because I don’t want to hear Trump supporters bullshit. What was it that woman’s shirt said “Fuck your feelings.” Yeah Trumpers, the feeling is fucking mutual. Maybe you should stop complaining about a past that never was.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:19:16pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Some of us have learned the hard way that most Trump supporters are hateful, irrational people.

Just because they couldn’t conduct a civil online argument, decided to dramatically flounce from the discussion site, and then spent years lurking and stalking?

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:19:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:20:17pm

advocate.com
Here’s the nice Congresswoman that Georgia-06 elected last night.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:20:32pm

re: #5 jaunte

Just because they couldn’t conduct a civil online argument, decided to dramatically flounce from the discussion site, and then spent years lurking and stalking?

Those seem like clues to me.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:21:12pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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One thing is for sure, I don’t want them crying to me about how they were conned and no one warned them. We tried telling them and they didn’t care. I don’t want them to suffer but I have little sympathy for htem.

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EPR-radar  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:26:51pm

re: #9 HappyWarrior

One thing is for sure, I don’t want them crying to me about how they were conned and no one warned them. We tried telling them and they didn’t care. I don’t want them to suffer but I have little sympathy for htem.

tr*mp voters who supposedly have regrets about tr*mp will need to significantly change what passes for thought in their tiny minds or they will just fall for the next piece of shit liar to be crapped out by the Republican party.

This business of preferring lies people want to believe over difficult truths is guaranteed to ruin the nation if it isn’t stopped.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:28:56pm

re: #10 EPR-radar

tr*mp voters who supposedly have regrets about tr*mp will need to significantly change what passes for thought in their tiny minds or they will just fall for the next piece of shit liar to be crapped out by the Republican party.

This business of preferring lies people want to believe over difficult truths is guaranteed to ruin the nation if it isn’t stopped.

Yep. They’ll keep on buying this shit. Why? Their ideology is solely about hating the left.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:31:48pm

re: #10 EPR-radar

tr*mp voters who supposedly have regrets about tr*mp will need to significantly change what passes for thought in their tiny minds or they will just fall for the next piece of shit liar to be crapped out by the Republican party.

This business of preferring lies people want to believe over difficult truths is guaranteed to ruin the nation if it isn’t stopped.

There’s cause for hope here, because the Trump gang is so incredibly worse at this con game than anyone ever. I think their insanely inflated promises (“BEST HEALTH CARE EVER! FREE FOR EVERYBODY!”) are going to seriously backfire when people realize they were sold poisonous snake oil.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:34:46pm
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lawhawk  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:37:13pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

Note too, the GOP isn’t being shy about what they’re doing with their tax plan that’s really a health care malware package.

They aren’t just repealing Obamacare. That’s a small portion of the plan. The plan attacks and guts Medicare and Medicaid. Safety net programs that have worked and provide care to millions of people and are able to achieve an economy of scale that private based insurance is unable or unwilling to do (and are able to negotiate lower reimbursement rates). They’re going after the Great Society and ultimately the New Deal.

And why?

Tax cuts so millionaires like Trump get even more wealth.

At the same time, the burdens multiply on the rest of the nation, making the schism between haves and have nots even worse.

The GOP plans don’t expand coverage to more people or make it more affordable for more people. It sucks the very life out of people and puts millions more at risk.

The GOP is also banking on a media that will magical balance fairy the shit out of this, obfuscating the reality that Obamacare is far better than anything the GOP had 8 years to concoct, or that the reason the GOP plan is so awful is that Democrats refused to work with the GOP, when the GOP actively worked to suppress all info about the GOP plan, hid it from public scrutiny and CBO/JCT scoring because both would reveal it to be a shit show of epic proportions.

Even then, the GOP thinks that this is a winning issue for them because they get to claim Obamacare is repealed - 8 years of incessant lies keeps this going. Their supporters think Obamacare is awful, when it’s anything but.

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EPR-radar  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:37:30pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

There’s cause for hope here, because the Trump gang is so incredibly worse at this con game than anyone ever. I think their insanely inflated promises (“BEST HEALTH CARE EVER! FREE FOR EVERYBODY!”) are going to seriously backfire when people realize they were sold poisonous snake oil.

We pretty much have to hope for that because the alternatives are completely unthinkable. E.g., tr*mp goes down in history as St. Reagan v 2.0 because the history gets written by wingnuts and both siderists.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:37:33pm

re: #13 jaunte

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Makes you wonder. It really does.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:38:33pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

Trump’s biggest fear is to be thought illegitimate. Because he is.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:39:13pm

re: #17 jaunte

Trump biggest fear is to be thought illegitimate. Because he is.

Which is why the investigation has him spooked. He ain’t nothing but a fraud.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:40:41pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:41:07pm
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EPR-radar  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:44:00pm

re: #18 HappyWarrior

Which is why the investigation has him spooked. He ain’t nothing but a fraud.

I like how the RWNJ talking points are always along the lines of “If some incredibly specific thing supposedly done by the Russians wasn’t actually done, the whole thing is a nothing burger.”

1) No GOP investigation of their fake bullshit scandals have ever had limited rules of engagement. It was always anything goes, most famously the Whitewater ‘investigation’ ending up in a perjury trap for Bill Clinton for blow jobs in the Oval Office.

2) That tr*mp has laundered Russian mob money for decades is as nearly certain as anything has ever been in the pre trial phase of a major scandal. There’s no dodging that oncoming train.

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lawhawk  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:44:09pm

It’s such a nothing burger that one person was already fired from the WH for lying to Trump. Trump fired Comey over not ending the investigation, and everyone in the WH is lawyering up. Yeah, there’s nothing to any of this Russia-Trump business.

Baio’s a bigoted fucking moron.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:45:07pm

re: #18 HappyWarrior

Remember how he made his biggest mark in politics: questioning the legitimacy of Barack Obama. That was both opportunism, and a tell.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:47:05pm

re: #22 lawhawk

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It’s such a nothing burger that one person was already fired from the WH for lying to Trump. Trump fired Comey over not ending the investigation, and everyone in the WH is lawyering up. Yeah, there’s nothing to any of this Russia-Trump business.

Baio’s a bigoted fucking moron.

Classy.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:48:22pm

re: #21 EPR-radar

I like how the RWNJ talking points are always along the lines of “If some incredibly specific thing supposedly done by the Russians wasn’t actually done, the whole thing is a nothing burger.”

1) No GOP investigation of their fake bullshit scandals have ever had limited rules of engagement. It was always anything goes, most famously the Whitewater ‘investigation’ ending up in a perjury trap for Bill Clinton for blow jobs in the Oval Office.

2) That tr*mp has laundered Russian mob money for decades is as nearly certain as anything has ever been in the pre trial phase of a major scandal. There’s no dodging that oncoming train.

If the roles were flipped, they’d be demanding Clinton and Kaine resign immediately. There’s two rules- one for Republicans and another for for everyone else.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:48:29pm
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EPR-radar  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:49:01pm

re: #22 lawhawk

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It’s such a nothing burger that one person was already fired from the WH for lying to Trump. Trump fired Comey over not ending the investigation, and everyone in the WH is lawyering up. Yeah, there’s nothing to any of this Russia-Trump business.

Baio’s a bigoted fucking moron.

Bigoted fucking moron is pretty much the median for US conservatives.

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covfefe  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:49:22pm

This thread. Read it.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:49:30pm

Russia? What Russia?

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EPR-radar  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:51:43pm

re: #25 HappyWarrior

If the roles were flipped, they’d be demanding Clinton and Kaine resign immediately. There’s two rules- one for Republicans and another for for everyone else.

If the roles were flipped, there would have been multiple attempts by now of a RWNJ coup in DC, and every elected (D) official in DC would need a presidential-level security detail.

Edited to add: Hell, just the scenario of an (R) popular vote win that is also an electoral college loss would cause RWNJs to lose what remains of their minds.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:52:06pm

re: #27 EPR-radar

Bigoted fucking moron is pretty much the median for US conservatives.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:52:50pm

re: #31 jaunte

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Booker is nicer than I’d be.

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covfefe  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:54:03pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

But in the same light, many Trump voters are utterly incapable of empathy. “Fsck you. I got mine”. And if “mine” is taken from them? “Well at least those poors don’t get it either!”.

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EPR-radar  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:54:39pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

Booker is nicer than I’d be.

Same here. I’d reply with something rude about hoping Josefina and tr*mp spend eternity in adjacent shit-pits in Hell.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:56:41pm

re: #22 lawhawk

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It’s such a nothing burger that one person was already fired from the WH for lying to Trump. Trump fired Comey over not ending the investigation, and everyone in the WH is lawyering up. Yeah, there’s nothing to any of this Russia-Trump business.

Baio’s a bigoted fucking moron.

What else would you expect to hear from the spouse of Fail-0!

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:57:19pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

Booker is nicer than I’d be.

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:58:31pm
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b.d.  Jun 21, 2017 • 6:59:20pm

re: #22 lawhawk

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It’s such a nothing burger that one person was already fired from the WH for lying to Trump. Trump fired Comey over not ending the investigation, and everyone in the WH is lawyering up. Yeah, there’s nothing to any of this Russia-Trump business.

Baio’s a bigoted fucking moron.

LOL, Even Scott Baio’s wife can’t stand to watch Tucker.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:01:16pm

re: #36 teleskiguy

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I always thought it was hysterical that Limbaugh made fun of her. Because Rush was at that time a 300+ 40 year old man. I guess that’s why I don’t have much empathy when conservatives cry about name caling. You guys let Limbaugh run your party. You don’t get to bitch about shit like that.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:01:38pm

re: #37 teleskiguy

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Beautiful shot.

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:02:35pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

Beautiful shot.

One day I’ll go skiing in Norway, the land that spawned the Telemark Turn.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:02:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:02:47pm

re: #34 EPR-radar

Same here. I’d reply with something rude about hoping Josefina and tr*mp spend eternity in adjacent shit-pits in Hell.

I’d probably be more snarky than that but really “God’s bill” but it does remind you what we’re dealing with here, a bunch of superstitious zealots who really think Trump is divinely chosen.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:03:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:03:55pm

re: #42 FormerDirtDart

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He also apparently was scared by the smell of marijuana. Right because marijuana, a guy who freely tells you he’s armed, and a guy with his girlfriend and four year old kid are so threatening. Sigh. This was a miscarriage of justice.

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:04:11pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:05:21pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

One day I’ll go skiing in Norway, the land that spawned the Telemark Turn.

Hope you can too. Is Norway known for its skiing? I’m hoping one day my brother and I can go to Slovenia where our grandfather’s parents were from. Excellent winter sports there I’m told.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:05:58pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:07:50pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Is Norway known for its skiing?

The sport was practically invented there.

I’m hoping one day my brother and I can go to Slovenia where our grandfather’s parents were from. Excellent winter sports there I’m told.

Slovenia has excellent skiing, has produced some awesome female World Cup skiers.

Tina Maze, alpine ski racer
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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:08:23pm

re: #48 FormerDirtDart

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Oh really? Thanks Mike. Had no idea. //

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:09:23pm

re: #49 teleskiguy

The sport was practically invented there.

Slovenia has excellent skiing, has produced some awesome female World Cup skiers.

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Shit, I didn’t know that. She’s beautiful. But yeah that doesn’t surprise me. My brother met a Slovene skier on the slopes one time.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:14:31pm

re: #49 teleskiguy

The sport was practically invented there.

Slovenia has excellent skiing, has produced some awesome female World Cup skiers.

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She’s pretty awesome with a sweater too.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:16:03pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:16:38pm

Trump must have said something horrific.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:17:01pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

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To me, it was the whole “It’s not my job to do that.” He’s a pompous prick.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:17:40pm

re: #54 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Trump must have said something horrific.

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Yeah, she’s been feeling betrayed lately. He must have said something really racist.

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Schweppes7  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:17:49pm

WTF is wrong with the Daily Caller? Check out this joke of a story (with violent rhetoric too…) with the headline “Violence Is Never The Answer, But Here’s A New Reason To Want To Body Slam Guardian’s Ben Jacobs”

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“Jacobs — who really doesn’t want to be the story — didn’t bat an eye (no pun intended) when he donated his broken glasses to Washington’s Newseum.

For those covering Wednesday’s swearing-in of Gianforte, below is yet another statement from Jacobs.

“I welcome Congressman Gianforte to Capitol Hill where I’m confident he will live up to his pledge to champion a free press and the First Amendment. In the courtroom last week, he openly offered to do an interview with me when he came to Washington and I look forward to taking him up on that in the coming days.”

Honestly, if you didn’t want Jacobs body slammed or stuffed into a locker before, maybe you do now.”

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caseyjr  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:19:24pm

re: #54 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Trump must have said something horrific.

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Probably just proposed his version of the Final Solution.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:19:26pm

re: #57 Schweppes7

WTF is wrong with the Daily Caller? Check out this joke of a story (with violent rhetoric too…) with the headline “Violence Is Never The Answer, But Here’s A New Reason To Want To Body Slam Guardian’s Ben Jacobs”

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This is how right wingers think.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:19:45pm

Obviously another case of road rage…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:20:23pm

So I got a little creative today. Took one of my poems and some royalty free music and some super cool photos from NASA, mashed it up in a movie app (Filmmaker pro - highly recommended!) and ended up with this:

Starscape

I must say I am quite pleased with the result. Can’t wait to experiment a little more soon.

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:20:36pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

She’s pretty awesome with a sweater too.

I swear these women World Cup skiers - all of them - are also wholly model-worthy.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:22:57pm
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Stephen T.  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:27:58pm

re: #28 covfefe

This thread. Read it.

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This tactic does rely on the chance that your Representatives or Senators having a staff with empathy. The reaction to photos of sick family members that I’ve heard is usually. “Yes, that’s horrible, but why should I, or anyone else but you be paying for their illness.”

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:31:06pm

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I want video! That looks deeply nuts.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:35:11pm

re: #64 Stephen T.

This tactic does rely on the chance that your Representatives or Senators having a staff with empathy. The reaction to photos of sick family members that I’ve heard is usually. “Yes, that’s horrible, but why should I, or anyone else but you be paying for their illness.”

That is my RW brother’s reaction (slight paraphrase): “What — you want to steal all that money from wealthy people to pay for treating sick people?” They really believe that the more your wealth, the more your merit.

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Teukka  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:35:46pm

re: #64 Stephen T.

This tactic does rely on the chance that your Representatives or Senators having a staff with empathy. The reaction to photos of sick family members that I’ve heard is usually. “Yes, that’s horrible, but why should I, or anyone else but you be paying for their illness.”

“Aren’t you for fiscal responsibility, sir/ma’am? If healthcare is prohibitively expensive, people will delay as long as they can to seek it, allowing conditions which would be cheap to treat at an early stage to escalate to a level where they’re easily 20x times the cost. And if people can’t pay that, government will end up footing the bill one way or another.”

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:36:32pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:38:07pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

Other grounds = 1) They hated Hillary 2) They didn’t want to vote for a woman

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:39:33pm

Now that is some serious whitewater.

NFC VI Jacob’s Ladder Giant Slalom Short Video Recap

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:40:10pm

re: #63 FormerDirtDart

So it’s not a healthcare bill. It’s a tax cut for the rich. That’s how Democrats can truthfully characterize TrumpCare.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:41:04pm

re: #71 Patricia Kayden

So it’s not a healthcare bill. It’s a tax cut for the rich. That’s how Democrats can truthfully characterize TrumpCare.

It’s been called “wealthcare”.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:42:01pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

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How the hell would Levi know whether Trump supporters are bigots or not? They voted for a bigot so obviously they’re cool with bigotry.

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Teukka  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:42:36pm

re: #66 Hecuba’s daughter

That is my RW brother’s reaction (slight paraphrase): “What — you want to steal all that money from wealthy people to pay for treating sick people?” They really believe that the more your wealth, the more your merit.

Tried “if everyone pays a fixed percentage of their income towards health insurance, the cost is evenly spread out over a large population, meaning it becomes cheaper for everyone, even the rich folks. I know of a guy in Sweden who pays 8% of his income towards health care.”?
Then make him calculate how many per cent his health insurance sets him back. And yeah, 8%-ish is the portion of the county tax that goes toward health care in my county. And I’m willing to ask more questions about the eebil soshulist healthcare here :3

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:42:40pm

Also, I can’t help but notice some of these scummy GOP bills won’t take effect until after 2018 or 2020. They’re trying to sucker people into giving Trump a second term by delaying the shit that’s gonna hit them hardest.

It’s a classic con.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:43:39pm

re: #69 Eclectic Cyborg

Other grounds = 1) They hated Hillary 2) They didn’t want to vote for a woman

Charles should have included misogyny among Trump’s defects. I do know someone whose vote was anti-Hillary. I think, though, that she’s a racist so didn’t care about that aspect of his character, but she definitely is not a Trump or Melania fan.

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:44:43pm

Eight. Years. Old.

Instagram

Wow! I can’t believe I board slid the Hollywood-16 at just 8 years old this week… the youngest ever! What a battle it was, but feels SO GOOD to conquer this beast! To see the whole video of this historic day be sure to check out the @nkavids link in my bio, & you’ll also see @steven_sk8life kill the 12-stair there too! #hollywood16 #youngestever #determined #nevergiveup #skateboard #metogrammed #skateclipsdaily @skatexs @s.a.d.skateallday

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:45:00pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

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At the very least, they’re indifferent to it which is even worse.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:46:59pm

Trumps election was largely the result of a convergence of a lot of shit that has been happening in U.S. Politics the past 20 years.

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:47:37pm

re: #79 Eclectic Cyborg

Trumps election was largely the result of a convergence of a lot of shit that has been happening in U.S. Politics the past 20 years century.

FTFY

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:48:25pm

re: #76 Hecuba’s daughter

Charles should have included misogyny among Trump’s defects. I do know someone whose vote was anti-Hillary. I think, though, that she’s a racist so didn’t care about that aspect of his character, but she definitely is not a Trump or Melania fan.

I can’t list all of his defects in every tweet, unfortunately! But yeah, misogyny is also definitely a big part of his appeal to the right wing base.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:49:37pm

re: #69 Eclectic Cyborg

Other grounds = 1) They hated Hillary 2) They didn’t want to vote for a woman

They hated Secretary Clinton for silly ginned up reasons so much that they were comfortable voting for an inexperienced, ignorant, bigoted reality star who has zero self control and constantly lies to hold the most powerful political office in this country (and arguably the world). Makes so much sense.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:50:34pm

*facepalm*

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:51:34pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

*facepalm*

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Oh, come on, Charles. You and I both know that’s what it always comes back to. Right-wingers will always vote for the party of Roe. Without fail. Every single time. It is the one constant in the universe.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:53:22pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:53:36pm
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jaunte  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:53:49pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:54:20pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

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Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:56:07pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:56:10pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:56:39pm

I’ve put it off, but finally I saw the Philando Castile dashcam video, and it’s worse than I imagined.

The poor man was doing everything right, but a cop pulled him over because he had an excuse, and then he panicked when Castile told him he had a license to carry and was armed. And the cop got off. The cop, the jury, the system - all guilty.

Maybe we as a country deserve what we’re going through, and the damage to our international standing that Trump will cause, if we do this to our own law-abiding citizens because of their color. Who are we to try and lead anyone? Where would we get any kind of moral authority?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:58:03pm

As someone in a deep red state, I can confirm abortion was a main reason a lot of folks voted Trump.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:58:55pm

re: #87 jaunte

I think that’s an extremely striking graph, myself. Social conservatives - i.e. religious wingnuts - will vote for a Republican every time. Economic liberals will vote for a Democrat every time. But the former are more strategically placed than the latter (I almost said there were more of them, but we all know who won the popular vote in 2016…)

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Brian J.  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:58:58pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

There’s cause for hope here, because the Trump gang is so incredibly worse at this con game than anyone ever. I think their insanely inflated promises (“BEST HEALTH CARE EVER! FREE FOR EVERYBODY!”) are going to seriously backfire when people realize they were sold poisonous snake oil.

And this differs from the left wing of the Democrats… how, exactly?

Bernie Delenda Est!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 21, 2017 • 7:59:37pm

re: #92 Eclectic Cyborg

As someone in a deep red state, I can confirm abortion was a main reason a lot of folks voted Trump.

Abortion and the Supreme Court. Everyone I know voted to ensure the next Supreme Court nominee(s) were conservative.

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retired cynic  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:00:46pm

re: #95 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Abortion and the Supreme Court. Everyone I know voted to ensure the next Supreme Court nominee(s) were conservative.

I was voting for more than that, in reverse, but it was high on the list.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:01:46pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:02:24pm

re: #96 retired cynic

I was voting for more than that, in reverse, but it was high on the list.

So many of my FB friends were supportive of Dickhead McConnell’s obstruction of Merrick Garland. I figured that’s what they would do, and they played it exactly right and got exactly what they wanted. Now, who gives a fuck what happens to Trump, the Supreme Court belongs to the Republicans until the next conservative justice kicks the bucket or retires.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:04:24pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:06:25pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:11:08pm

Pedants gotta pendant.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:11:22pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

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Joy Reid had a good tweetstorm last night after the GA06 results. Someone had suggested that Handel’s voters had been ‘fooled’ somehow. Joy said, no, this is what they want.

She went on to basically say we cannot expect to win them over. What we have to do is Get. More. Dems. To. Vote. Get ‘em registered, get ‘em to the polls. Because Republicans ALWAYS vote, and they always vote for the Republican. If we don’t start doing that, we’ll keep ending up behind the 8 ball.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:11:29pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:12:38pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

harles Johnson ✔ @Green_Footballs
@LeviABx Nonsense. They knew this was evil shit Trump was peddling, & they either didn’t care or supported it. Unless you think they were stupid.
9:55 PM - 21 Jun 2017

You underestimate the ignorance of the American public. Actually, we may need to have some experts in deprogramming to treat the members of the Trump cult

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:13:00pm

re: #101 teleskiguy

hidden to others without cultural context using Fox news weasel words like “border security”

Dead wrong. Living in suburban Houston, every Trump voter here knew EXACTLY what he meant by that.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:15:28pm

re: #104 Hecuba’s daughter

You underestimate the ignorance of the American public.

Heh. Believe me, I really don’t.

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:15:45pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:16:39pm

re: #107 teleskiguy

Yeah, I’ve reached my limit with this clown too. “Different contextual understanding of policies” my ass.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:17:13pm

It didn’t even have anything to do with the border, or immigration, or labor issues. Trump was promising to keep the brown people down, and that’s why he appealed to a lot, if not most of his voters.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:19:06pm

re: #109 jaunte

It didn’t even have anything to do with the border, or immigration, or labor issues. Trump was promising to keep the brown people down, and that’s why he appealed to a lot, if not most of his voters.

He was contextually expressing a nuanced policy of bigotry and repression to the noble economically deprived right wing base.

gag

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:20:12pm

I’m getting really tired of ‘but they’re good people!’, or ‘They were fooled!’. How could you NOT fucking know? No, if they voted for Trump, they did it knowing what he was. They may have thought he’d be THEIR bastard, but they knew he was gonna fuck people over.

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:21:47pm

He likes me! He really likes me!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:22:13pm

re: #111 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m getting really tired of ‘but they’re good people!’, or ‘They were fooled!’. How could you NOT fucking know? No, if they voted for Trump, they did it knowing what he was. They may have thought he’d be THEIR bastard, but they knew he was gonna fuck people over.

Yeah, but he was gonna fuck the right people over. Gays, brown people, black people, women - yanno, the ones who would vote for a librul. As long as it guarantees Republican power, who gives a fuck?

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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:23:36pm

re: #111 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m getting really tired of ‘but they’re good people!’, or ‘They were fooled!’. How could you NOT fucking know? No, if they voted for Trump, they did it knowing what he was. They may have thought he’d be THEIR bastard, but they knew he was gonna fuck people over.

They were fooled in one sense - they bought Trump’s bullshit promises about health care for everyone and a giant border wall and coal mines everywhere. But they bought it because they agreed with his primary message of hatred and xenophobia and revanchism. That was the most important part of Trump’s campaign. The rest was window dressing.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:23:47pm

Good night, gentle Lizardim. As I go, just remember the right-wing mantra: “But abooooooooooortion!!!!”

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:24:54pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

Trump’s bullshit promises about health care for everyone and a giant border wall and coal mines everywhere. But they bought it because they agreed with his primary message of hatred and xenophobia and revanchism.

National Socialism for Us but not for Them.

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calochortus  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:26:21pm

re: #111 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m getting really tired of ‘but they’re good people!’, or ‘They were fooled!’. How could you NOT fucking know? No, if they voted for Trump, they did it knowing what he was. They may have thought he’d be THEIR bastard, but they knew he was gonna fuck people over.

I don’t have a lot of sympathy for most Trump voters, but I know a few Trump voters who don’t fit that mold. Telling them they supported evil because they are bad people won’t win them over.
A few are immigrants who a.) believed the all the slurs on HRC and b.) thought a businessman would be a great CEO for the country. Politically unsophisticated.
A couple people I know slightly were looking at lives they considered pretty hopeless. Four more years of gradual improvement wouldn’t really have helped them (crappy jobs, student debt, etc.) They gambled the rent money. And lost.

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:26:25pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

I cribbed this.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:27:10pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:30:55pm

re: #117 calochortus

I don’t have a lot of sympathy for most Trump voters, but I know a few Trump voters who don’t fit that mold. Telling them they supported evil because they are bad people won’t win them over.
A few are immigrants who a.) believed the all the slurs on HRC and b.) thought a businessman would be a great CEO for the country. Politically unsophisticated.
A couple people I know slightly were looking at lives they considered pretty hopeless. Four more years of gradual improvement wouldn’t really have helped them (crappy jobs, student debt, etc.) They gambled the rent money. And lost.

I’m not sure there’s a way to win over anyone who saw Donald Trump speak, and still voted for him. I’m serious.

And, honestly, I’m not sure how much I buy the ‘politically unsophisticated’ argument. For cripes sakes - it’s not rocket surgery. The man said a Latino judge couldn’t be fair to him because of his ancestry. He bragged, on tape, about sexually assaulting women. He slandered an entire religion.

There’s no way they didn’t know these things. But they were okay with it.

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retired cynic  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:32:10pm

re: #120 Blind Frog Belly White

Yes. And some are family. And I love them. I can’t reconcile it.

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:33:03pm

re: #112 teleskiguy

And Mr. ‘Trump supporters are good people’ has “unliked” this tweet.

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covfefe  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:35:30pm

It has to start somewhere
It has to start sometime
What better place than here
What better time than now

Rage Against the Machine - Guerrilla Radio

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:35:53pm

Moar dumb memes:

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retired cynic  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:37:02pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

Moar dumb memes:

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What an idiot.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:38:24pm

re: #120 Blind Frog Belly White

I am having a hard time with the sympathy myself. I just can’t fathom how voters didn’t think that they were going to get screwed by Trump themselves. I guess because they thought that he was “their” guy, and it was the “other” people that were going to get the shaft.

In terms of desperation, yes, I get it. My personal situation has finally improved for the first time in about two decades, and the ultimate insult is that now it all depends on assholes like Trump and those in Congress.

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calochortus  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:39:43pm

re: #120 Blind Frog Belly White

You are welcome to your opinion, but I know a couple people in the immigrant category well enough to know that they aren’t evil or stupid, but are probably able to ignore a few “side issues” like sexism. They’re probably a bit racist, but not nastily so. I feel pretty confident that they viewed HRC as a very dangerous socialist trying to destroy the country they’ve adopted.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:40:05pm

re: #121 retired cynic

Yes. And some are family. And I love them. I can’t reconcile it.

I stopped trying. Oh, I still keep my wingnut cousin in WV as a FB friend, but, you know, I don’t know that I really would call him any kind of actual friend.

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:41:02pm

re: #127 calochortus

You are welcome to your opinion, but I know a couple people in the immigrant category well enough to know that they aren’t evil or stupid, but are probably able to ignore a few “side issues” like sexism. They’re probably a bit racist, but not nastily so. I feel pretty confident that they viewed HRC as a very dangerous socialist trying to destroy the country they’ve adopted.

Fuck them. No sympathy. No quarter.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:41:05pm

John Wilkes Booth was a member of the Know Nothing Party…

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:44:25pm

Where are all the think pieces and editorials about the forgotten Hillary voter? Oh yeah, I forgot, we’re not even people, according to the president’s son.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:45:31pm

re: #131 teleskiguy

Where are all the think pieces and editorials about the forgotten Hillary voter? Oh yeah, I forgot, we don’t exist, according to the president’s son.

Why the Corporate Controlled Conservative Press believes whatever the Republican Party says!

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:47:52pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:48:53pm

My brother told me about a series of ‘racial reconciliation’ discussions that his church did, when they were living in Raleigh NC. It was a reasonably liberal church, with a pretty mixed race crowd.

One night, he felt brave enough to admit that one of his coworkers was really racist, used a lot of racist language, said a lot of racist things. My brother admitted he tended to let those things slide unchallenged, but he felt bad about it.

One of the black women in the group told him bluntly that she didn’t know if she could trust him anymore, after hearing that - that, sure, he talked a good game in the church, but when it mattered he’d let that shit go unchallenged.

He realized what he’d been looking for was to be told that it was okay that he’d done that. He wanted absolution from the black people for not having had their backs. And he realized they were right not to give it to him.

I can’t absolve Trump voters. He wasn’t sneaky at all. All of his base character was on display. The idea that somehow Clinton could be worse is ludicrous.

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calochortus  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:48:56pm

re: #130 Single-handed sailor

John Wilkes Booth was a member of the Know Nothing Party…

Did not know that. (And that is not just snark…)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:49:25pm

re: #131 teleskiguy

Where are all the think pieces and editorials about the forgotten Hillary voter? Oh yeah, I forgot, we’re not even people, according to the president’s son.

You mean, because there are more of us?

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Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:52:18pm

re: #134 Blind Frog Belly White

That story is a keeper.

Correctly illustrates the meaning of being an ally.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:53:04pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:56:41pm

re: #122 teleskiguy

I think there probably are some Trump supporters who are decent people, because with any large group of human beings they’re not all going to have the same motivations. But the majority of Trump supporters are people that Trump’s core message of conspiracy theories and bigotry appealed to, and that’s appallingly clear.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2017 • 8:59:21pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

Moar dumb memes:

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The Virginia Tech one is definitely wrong since we have no party registration here.

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Mike Lamb  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:01:26pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

Moar dumb memes:

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And the GOP is happy to allow everyone on that list to own as many guns as they can afford…

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calochortus  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:02:55pm

Time to call it an evening.
Hasta mañana, Lizards.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:03:52pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

I think there probably are some Trump supporters who are decent people, because with any large group of human beings they’re not all going to have the same motivations. But the majority of Trump supporters are people that Trump’s core message of conspiracy theories and bigotry appealed to, and that’s appallingly clear.

Right and even if they’re not bigots in the classic sense of the word, they showed themselves indifferent to it.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:04:46pm

re: #117 calochortus

I don’t have a lot of sympathy for most Trump voters, but I know a few Trump voters who don’t fit that mold. ..

A few are immigrants who a.) believed the all the slurs on HRC and b.) thought a businessman would be a great CEO for the country. Politically unsophisticated.
A couple people I know slightly were looking at lives they considered pretty hopeless. Four more years of gradual improvement wouldn’t really have helped them (crappy jobs, student debt, etc.) They gambled the rent money. And lost.

It’s not only immigrants who believed this — there are educated people who bought into rw propaganda and share those beliefs, including the idea that what this country needs is a “successful” CEO.. And as said, there were average people whose life went into a tailspin as a result of the banking crisis; they were willing to try anything. People are gullible — they are willing to seize on any small glimmer of hope, why else would those who cannot afford it buy so many lottery tickets? Unfortunately those who gambled the rent and lost also lost it for the rest of us. Unfortunately they are still loyal to the “Orange Messiah”.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:05:48pm

re: #131 teleskiguy

Where are all the think pieces and editorials about the forgotten Hillary voter? Oh yeah, I forgot, we’re not even people, according to the president’s son.

Yeah I’ve never seen those. Plenty of pity parties for Trump voters who don’t deserve it.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:06:59pm

So I step onto the subway station today and the LA Sheriffs are gone, now we have LAPD in blue lookin out. Four of them just looking out and letting folks pass, who are puzzled as they expect the cops to have a TAP card reader. Fare check thing. They don’t have them yet.

One of them has 25 year stripes and I introduce myself and express thanks for their work. So I straight out pitch these guys to spend a lot of time on trains riding ‘cause between stations we are vulnerable. Pulling the emergency stop is going to extend first responder time. So riders don’t know to wait in a crisis. These guys are nodding their heads they get it.

That 25 year guy? A captain who will be in deployment meetings. Call me Lucky RWC.

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JordanRules  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:08:56pm

re: #134 Blind Frog Belly White

What a great story to relay and a great comment to go with it.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:15:25pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:18:30pm

So Google News had an editorial from Politico written by Rich Lowry dissecting the GA-06 special election result. And I, being a glutton for punishment, decided to read through it to see what ol’ Rich felt was the reason for the DNC’s loss.

And it was pretty much a grab bag of the “serious” pundit mindset: Democrats need to “compromise” on social policy positions (i.e. abortion, immigration, & gun control), Pelosi needs to be replaced with someone less “radioactive” (Rich compares her to Gingrich), Russia is a “so-called” scandal, and (of course) that the DNC needs to stop being “anti-Trump” and being “for something.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:30:26pm

re: #149 Targetpractice

So Google News had an editorial from Politico written by Rich Lowry dissecting the GA-06 special election result. And I, being a glutton for punishment, decided to read through it to see what ol’ Rich felt was the reason for the DNC’s loss.

And it was pretty much a grab bag of the “serious” pundit mindset: Democrats need to “compromise” on social policy positions (i.e. abortion, immigration, & gun control), Pelosi needs to be replaced with someone less “radioactive” (Rich compares her to Gingrich), Russia is a “so-called” scandal, and (of course) that the DNC needs to stop being “anti-Trump” and being “for something.”

Lowry can fuck off. No one ever asks the GOP to compromise on those issues.

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Interesting Times  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:37:34pm

re: #149 Targetpractice

…and (of course) that the DNC needs to stop being “anti-Trump” and being “for something.”

This part is actually true. The *potential* Dem voters who can’t be arsed to show up (voter-suppression victims excluded) genuinely don’t know or understand what the Democratic party has to offer them. Screw nuance and bring out the bold and dare I say simplistic claims as long as they’re tethered to reality. US voters reward “go big or go home” and punish anything perceived as subtlety or incrementalism.

As for Nancy Pelosi…have Democrats ever tried the classic GOP technique of doubling down instead of hem/haw timid-ass defensive plays? Since the haters are gonna hate anyway, what have Dems got to lose by saying something like, “You’re damn right we support Pelosi because even conservatives call her one of the most consequential speakers in history. She gets shit done, motherfucker. Shit that helps you and your family.”

Honestly, even people who don’t agree with you tend to respect you a hell of a lot more when you stand up for your beliefs.

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BeachDem  Jun 21, 2017 • 10:06:00pm

re: #73 Patricia Kayden

How the hell would Levi know whether Trump supporters are bigots or not? They voted for a bigot so obviously they’re cool with bigotry.

I hate to be a broken record, but I stand by my analysis—stupid or hateful or both.

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BeachDem  Jun 21, 2017 • 10:16:34pm

re: #111 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m getting really tired of ‘but they’re good people!’, or ‘They were fooled!’. How could you NOT fucking know? No, if they voted for Trump, they did it knowing what he was. They may have thought he’d be THEIR bastard, but they knew he was gonna fuck people over.

We didn’t know at all
We didn’t see a thing
You can’t hold us to blame
What could we do
It was a terrible shame
But we can’t bear the blame
Oh no, not us, we didn’t know…

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