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jaunte  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:20:11pm
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darthstar  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:28:31pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:28:51pm

Current temperature in Phoenix, 108° F.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:29:12pm

re: #3 teleskiguy

Current temperature in Phoenix, 108° F.

Jesus.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:29:22pm

re: #3 teleskiguy

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:30:40pm

re: #5 jaunte

This one is hot fire.

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darthstar  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:32:23pm

re: #3 teleskiguy

Current temperature in Phoenix, 108° F.

It’ll be 113 in Redding, CA tomorrow, where my parents live…(and that’s why I don’t live there anymore)…it’s a balmy 59 right now down here on the central coast.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:34:05pm
One of the most shameless breathtakingly cynical exercises in political history

Deadly benchmarks at this point. Healthcare, foreign policy, hard economics all about the .01%ers.

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:38:23pm
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jaunte  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:43:35pm

Maybe this, for a followup:

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jaunte  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:44:14pm

Reload

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darthstar  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:46:56pm

Yeah…I suspect most people aren’t even ready to think about the ramifications of this.

61% of Americans…that means there’s a 39% chance I’m not one of them…oh joy.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:48:37pm

To further explain my post in the other thread, particularly the second part, it is related to my screen name. With the possible or likely dismantling of the ACA by the Republicans, mental health is going to take a big hit. I have benefitted from the ACA tremendously during the years that it has been around, and it is going to be heart-breaking to see mental health go back to pre-ACA coverage, which sucked ass. I think I understand desperation more than most, so I’ll tell my little story. I have always had my mental health issues from childhood on up, but it wasn’t until about the end of my teens that things completely cratered. It is a very hard thing to do piece your mind back together, especially when you have come to the realization that you never had all the pieces to begin with.

After about twenty years of hard work with many, many psychiatrists, I finally have all of my medications (4) figured out. Also, they are all generic at this point in time. So, that is great news here. The bad news is that I still have major issues with depression. Now, that’s not unusual for bipolar disorder. Those who are more functional than others with bipolar disorder is mainly because their depression and cognitive problems are less severe than others. In fact, I used to function half-way well until the depression just became too much. To be frank, treating depression in bipolar disorder is a mess. For those that don’t know much about it, treating bipolar depression with standard antidepressants is unpredictable. There are about three possible things that can happen. One, the medication works. Two, it does nothing at all. Three, it works, but it destabilizes your mood to such an extent that staying on it becomes a question. As for me, I am the second option. When it comes to a drug designed for bipolar depression by itself, and not another hand-me-down antidepressant, antipsychotic, or anticonvulsant, no such animal exists.

Fortunately for me, that looks like that might be changing. Even though 2016 became the year of the Trumpocalypse, I was able to test a “new” medication last fall that will be approved in 2018 that actually works for people like me. Now, I just have to worry about finishing school and hoping that when I am done, I will have access to that new medication.

Now, why did I share all of that? I guess I just wanted to show that things can look bad for a long, long time. I am talking Groundhog’s Day the movie for twenty years straight kind of bad, where every single day is grey and meaningless, but it is still possible for things to get better.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:51:32pm

re: #3 teleskiguy

Current temperature in Phoenix, 108° F.

Current temperature in Broadwater, 78F.

I just got back from Scottsbluff. That trip to deliver water samples to the lab and my wife to the dentist (one of these things is not like the other) took me through Bayard, where they had the multi-vortex tornado in town last week.

Power has been restored to the city but there is significant damage downtown, with streets still closed due to debris.

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:52:38pm

re: #13 alloutofcrazyhere

You’re not alone. I’ve struggled with depression my entire adult life and it took well over a year to dial in my meds (two drugs, three if I have trouble sleeping).

Thanks for sharing, being honest, baring your psyche, all that. It means a lot.

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:56:16pm

re: #14 Anymouse 🌹

70° at casa del teleskiguy currently. Cooled off rather nicely here, it was 20° hotter five hours ago.

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JordanRules  Jun 21, 2017 • 9:59:34pm

re: #16 teleskiguy

Nice cool down!

Extreme heat still radiating off of every damn thing here in Phoenix.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 21, 2017 • 10:02:02pm

re: #15 teleskiguy

You’re not alone. I’ve struggled with depression my entire adult life and it took well over a year to dial in my meds (two drugs, three if I have trouble sleeping).

Thanks for sharing, being honest, baring your psyche, all that. It means a lot.

I dealt with straightening out control of my seizures for years. Due to socialised medicine (the US Navy then the Veterans Administration), it is unlikely I could never have afforded the necessary testing (twenty-four hour observation labs, endless EEGs, multiple failed drug trials - until they went with the last resort drug in First World countries).

Now the combination of killing or privatising the VA, coupled with rabid states intent on using my epilepsy drugs for the death penalty (which has had them blocked in the past by the EU for sale here) will lead me to a life of uncontrolled epilepsy (with concomitant loss of drivers licence and water operator permit).

There is one high government official with epilepsy who could speak out on our behalf but doesn’t: Supreme Court Justice John Roberts.

I understand his reluctance (personal medical information, misinformation about epilepsy and downright hatred of epileptics by some Christian sects, &c), but it would be a big help.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Jun 21, 2017 • 10:02:24pm

re: #15 teleskiguy

Sure. The drug that I am talking about is ketamine. There will be a nasal spray based off of it coming out in the somewhat near future (2018). Although, it really is a stop-gap solution until better medications come out that are a result of a better understanding on how ketamine works in the brain.

Ketamine infusions are available now, but are not covered by insurance. At $700 a pop, that’s not exactly affordable. Although, the new “formulation” will be once it arrives. I’ll admit it is rather frustrating having to wait to re-invent the wheel just for something old to get approved by the FDA for a new indication. That is a regulation that I would like to see changed with the FDA, as well as ordering medication from Canada. Although, policies that are detrimental to the pharmaceutical industries’ profit margins aren’t the type of regulations the conservatives want to do away with.

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 10:02:25pm

re: #17 JordanRules

I’ve been watching. First time in all of their record keeping that the NWS Tucson office recorded three consecutive days of 115° high temperature.

It’s fuckin’ June, yo.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 21, 2017 • 10:02:32pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 21, 2017 • 10:05:40pm

re: #20 teleskiguy

I’ve been watching. First time in all of their record keeping that the NWS Tucson office recorded three consecutive days of 115° high temperature.

It’s fuckin’ June, yo.

I think Los Angeles caught a break this week and the worst was south and east. Atypical. But July, August, September are gonna be a right bitch.

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 10:08:19pm

re: #22 Unshaken Defiance

I think Los Angeles caught a break this week and the worst was south and east. Atypical. But July, August, September are gonna be a right bitch.

darthstar said earlier that triple digit heat will occur up in Redding. The whole of the Central Valley, the Mojave and Sonoran deserts, the Colorado Plateau, just getting scorched as we speak. Yikes.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Jun 21, 2017 • 10:08:49pm

re: #18 Anymouse 🌹

Yes, I am aware of the drug that you are talking about.

The one thing that I have always wondered about John Roberts is that if his 5-4 decision early on with regards to Obamacare might have been influenced by his own health problems.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 21, 2017 • 10:10:54pm

re: #21 goddamnedfrank

The most important threat facing the planet over the next two centuries is global warming, where Trump forever forfeited our right to lead.
11:59 PM - 21 Jun 2017

The American people elected a conman who wants to return to the 1950’s. We will fall behind in every area of science in order to transfer funds to the 1%. He looks backwards and so does America.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 21, 2017 • 10:11:48pm

re: #23 teleskiguy

Maybe we get Shake and Bake this summer. 5 point sumthin Richter and 100+
//

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 21, 2017 • 10:15:20pm

re: #15 teleskiguy

You’re not alone. I’ve struggled with depression my entire adult life and it took well over a year to dial in my meds (two drugs, three if I have trouble sleeping).

Thanks for sharing, being honest, baring your psyche, all that. It means a lot.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 21, 2017 • 10:17:23pm

re: #23 teleskiguy

Yup LA got off easy this round. I’m grateful, you all be careful out there. Keep a bottle of water to drink all day

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 21, 2017 • 10:19:07pm

re: #24 alloutofcrazyhere

Yes, I am aware of the drug that you are talking about.

The one thing that I have always wondered about John Roberts is that if his 5-4 decision early on with regards to Obamacare might have been influenced by his own health problems.

That’s an interesting question. A Supreme Court justice shouldn’t allow personal anecdotes to influence their decisions, but they are human like everyone else. Chief Justice Roberts has personal experience with medications, physicians, and expensive tests though, so he could put himself in the shoes of someone who couldn’t afford that.

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 10:21:15pm

re: #26 Unshaken Defiance

Shake and Bake

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teleskiguy  Jun 21, 2017 • 10:24:31pm

re: #28 Unshaken Defiance

So funny! See that little orange spot in the mountains of Colorado?

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And it’s been hot as balls around here, 90°+ at 6,600 feet elevation.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Jun 21, 2017 • 10:33:54pm

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 21, 2017 • 10:37:32pm

66° here now up to 91 tomorrow. But nothing more than 81 for the next week. So ok.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 21, 2017 • 10:40:18pm

I got a sheet of the new eclipse stamps today. (I will get another tomorrow, it was the last sheet in the post office.)

The postmistress noted that the ink used to cause the stamp to change from a black disc to the picture of the Moon is noted to have one problem: If it’s really hot, the stamp will stay with the picture of the Moon. The fix is to put the stamps in the freezer for fifteen seconds or so.

Tomorrow I break out my eclipse post cards and start writing.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 21, 2017 • 10:45:14pm

re: #24 alloutofcrazyhere

Yes, I am aware of the drug that you are talking about.

The one thing that I have always wondered about John Roberts is that if his 5-4 decision early on with regards to Obamacare might have been influenced by his own health problems.

Michael Savage made that observation at the time (but he was much less charitable - he was ready to keelhaul Justice Roberts):

huffingtonpost.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 21, 2017 • 10:45:52pm

Fixed Michael Savage’s name in #35

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alloutofcrazyhere  Jun 21, 2017 • 10:46:29pm

It may be hot outside tomorrow, but my wallet is going to be hurting more.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Jun 21, 2017 • 10:49:45pm

re: #35 Anymouse 🌹

I always thought Savage’s suits looked like something that were made from old drapes from a funeral home.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 21, 2017 • 10:51:13pm

re: #38 alloutofcrazyhere

I always thought Savage’s suits looked like something that were made from old drapes from a funeral home.

The one in the picture at Real Clear Politics looks like it came from a nauga’s hyde.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 21, 2017 • 10:55:03pm

re: #32 alloutofcrazyhere

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 21, 2017 • 11:00:30pm

Frank Luntz Could Be the Dumbest Fuck on Earth if He Applied Himself (Goes to Wonkette, where they disassemble Mr. Luntz’s bogus analysis of the GA-6 election with liberal things like math)

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alloutofcrazyhere  Jun 21, 2017 • 11:01:20pm

re: #40 Anymouse 🌹

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 21, 2017 • 11:15:09pm

I’m not linking InfoWars here, because I don’t want to track mud into Mr. Johnson’s on-line home.

That said, Alex Jones’s break from conspiracy theories is over. He has an article up today with “proof” Adolph Hitler escaped to Argentina.

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Cheechako  Jun 21, 2017 • 11:21:02pm

Well, it’s 54 up here with a light sprinkle. Just cool enough to need the furnace to keep the chill out of the house.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 21, 2017 • 11:29:57pm

re: #44 Cheechako

Well, it’s 54 up here with a light sprinkle. Just cool enough to need the furnace to keep the chill out of the house.

66 here now. Clear.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Jun 21, 2017 • 11:40:19pm

Got this via email, figured that I’d share.

“Arguing with a Trump supporter is like playing chess with a pigeon…….

No matter how good you are, the pigeon shits on the board and struts
around like it won anyway.”

The same could be said of those Hillary/Trump debates.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 21, 2017 • 11:51:32pm

re: #46 alloutofcrazyhere

Got this via email, figured that I’d share.

“Arguing with a Trump supporter is like playing chess with a pigeon…….

No matter how good you are, the pigeon shits on the board and struts
around like it won anyway.”

The same could be said of those Hillary/Trump debates.

Or Trump versus any of the other Republican candidates. Or pretty much Trump and anyone.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 21, 2017 • 11:55:42pm

Good thing we made our trip to Churchill, Manitoba last year:
winnipegsun.com

Flooding has caused catastrophic damage to the rail line north of The Pas, Manitoba.

CHURCHILL, Man. — The only ground transportation to Churchill on the coast of Hudson Bay in northern Manitoba has been suspended indefinitely and is not expected to resume until winter.

The owners of the Hudson Bay Railway line say flooding that submerged a section of the track and stopped service on May 23 has caused severe damage.

“A preliminary assessment … indicates that the track bed has been washed away in 19 locations. Five bridges are visibly damaged and an additional 30 bridges and 600 culverts … will need to be further assessed for structural integrity,” Omnitrax Inc. said in a news release Friday.

This is terrible news for Churchill: That means the only connexion to Churchill is now by air or ship. Air-based freight service is being established from Thompson, which is extremely expensive.

This also kills the tourist season in Churchill, and is a burden on the Northern Studies Centre (which studies the Arctic and climate science). There is a VIA Rail train stranded in Churchill.

More at the Winnipeg Sun

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:36:21am

re: #28 Unshaken Defiance

[Embedded content]

Yup LA got off easy this round. I’m grateful, you all be careful out there. Keep a bottle of water to drink all day

I posted this already for my friends and relatives in Phoenix:

The Fast Show: Portugese weather forecast

although slightly less funny: Portugal has been plagued by forest fires, resulting in dozens of deaths.

This, according to the BBC has to do with the fact that most of Portugal’s forests are privately owned in small parcels and often poorly managed with no coordinated fire-fighting plans in place.

A thought to keep in mind when we start privatizing all of our national forest lands…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:04:35am

re: #31 teleskiguy

So funny! See that little orange spot in the mountains of Colorado?

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And it’s been hot as balls around here, 90°+ at 6,600 feet elevation.

See that deep green spot in the Nebraska Panhandle?

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It was quite hot today at 3,666 feet of elevation, but now at 2AM in Unicorn Daylight Time, it’s 69F.

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Pineapple Pizzagate  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:17:58am

re: #43 Anymouse 🌹

…Alex Jones’s break from conspiracy theories is over. He has an article up today with “proof” Adolph Hitler escaped to Argentina.

Proof!

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:21:29am

The last 4 days here were 108, 100, 98, 96 and tomorrow is forecast to be 103, but at least it’s a dry heat.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:25:42am

re: #52 Single-handed sailor

The last 4 days here were 108, 100, 98, 96 and tomorrow is forecast to be 103, but at least it’s a dry heat.

Dry heat, like a fire? :)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:27:56am

re: #43 Anymouse 🌹

I’m not linking InfoWars here, because I don’t want to track mud into Mr. Johnson’s on-line home.

That said, Alex Jones’s break from conspiracy theories is over. He has an article up today with “proof” Adolph Hitler escaped to Argentina.

BBC recently ran an article about some Nazi-era artifacts turning up in Argentina. Proof enough for AJ

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:28:23am

re: #53 Timothy Watson

Dry heat, like a fire? :)

I hear that “dry heat” think and think I’m going to catch fire, like dry leaves.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:32:38am

re: #55 Anymouse 🌹

I hear that “dry heat” think and think I’m going to catch fire, like dry leaves.

Here on the Rhine we only have temps in the upper 80’s, but over 60% humidity. I would prefer a dry heat most any day…

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:32:49am

I’m 25 miles NE of the Golden Gate Bridge and It can be 56 there and 110 here. Micro-climates is an often used term for weather in the bay area.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:22:06am

re: #57 Single-handed sailor

I’m 25 miles NE of the Golden Gate Bridge and It can be 56 there and 110 here. Micro-climates is an often used term for weather in the bay area.

We don’t really have microclimates out here in the land of much sand and no ocean. Just lots of arid in the summer (along with tornadoes) and snow in the winter.

Over at Wonkette, we are not discussing the latest “flat earth” derp: That mountains are really petrified tree stumps and trees were really eleven miles high or so. They were apparently all destroyed in the XIX Century nuclear war. (I kid you not, flat-earthers are discussing this as if it’s serious.)

I had two great-grandmothers and one great-great grandmother born in the XIX Century who all died after I was an adult. I would think if there was some nuclear war in the XIX Century they might have heard about it and told me, but that’s just me. (One great-grandmother only missed the XXI Century by a few years.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:48:52am

re: #58 Anymouse 🌹

There is also a theory presented that the Middle Ages never happened and that our calendar is off by centuries…

But this is modern America, where anybody’s facts are as good as anybody else and we don’t have to listen to what snooty over-educated liberal elitist “experts” tell us about anything, especially if it contradicts our firmly-held system of beliefs.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:53:01am

re: #59 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There is also a theory presented that the Middle Ages never happened and that our calendar is off by centuries…

But this is modern America, where anybody’s facts are as good as anybody else and we don’t have to listen to what snooty over-educated liberal elitist “experts” tell us about anything, especially if it contradicts our firmly-held system of beliefs.

I’m one of the coastal liberal elites. (Well, I live in the Sandhills, sometimes called the Inland Coast. I am a liberal, and I guess “high school education with head screwed on straight” constitutes elite these days.)

There has always been an anti-intellectual strain in this country. As far as elites go, if I need surgery I want the most elite surgeon I can dig up. If I want my plumbing fixed, I want the best plumber around. I don’t want a plumber doing my surgery or a surgeon doing my plumbing. And I don’t want either flying a commercial plane (as in that cartoon that pops up here occasionally on the passengers voting on a new pilot).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:14:50am

re: #60 Anymouse 🌹

I’m one of the coastal liberal elites. (Well, I live in the Sandhills, sometimes called the Inland Coast. I am a liberal, and I guess “high school education with head screwed on straight” constitutes elite these days.)

There has always been an anti-intellectual strain in this country. As far as elites go, if I need surgery I want the most elite surgeon I can dig up. If I want my plumbing fixed, I want the best plumber around. I don’t want a plumber doing my surgery or a surgeon doing my plumbing. And I don’t want either flying a commercial plane (as in that cartoon that pops up here occasionally on the passengers voting on a new pilot).

I think that came about over a sense of cultural and intellectual inferiority with regard to Europe. For that, we maintained, we were more moral and intestinally fortitudinous than those effete, decadent Euroweenies .

We have now come full circle and elected a President who is neither cultured, moral nor intellectual.

You and I are about the same age, and I think that we were also the last generation that was able to obtain a decent public education. We are paying the price of the declining standards that set in starting in the early 80’s…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:50:45am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Well, it’s still fixable (dammit, why is it always Dems who have to fix stuff). It will take some time and a lot of work though. This “the private sector can do everything better” nonsense started by St. Reagan needs to die in a fire though.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:03:02am

re: #62 Anymouse 🌹

Well, it’s still fixable (dammit, why is it always Dems who have to fix stuff). It will take some time and a lot of work though. This “the private sector can do everything better” nonsense started by St. Reagan needs to die in a fire though.

Betsy DuVois is about to set it back by even more decades…

Too many people are convinced that teachers are all union thugs and parasites who provide little benefit for the cost of employing them and providing them with facilities.

Scott Walker in Wisconsin made that one of his major themes in governing.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:17:15am

re: #63 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Betsy DuVois is about to set it back by even more decades…

Too many people are convinced that teachers are all union thugs and parasites who provide little benefit for the cost of employing them and providing them with facilities.

Scott Walker in Wisconsin made that one of his major themes in governing.

Well, we’ll have to see how this shakes out. There are red states that value education (like mine) and ensure the schools and universities stay funded.

I just got tagged (a couple minutes ago) by our town’s parade committee to march at the head of next week’s parade with the US Flag. (I did that last year as well.) Grab the leftie socialist liberal guy for that (well, I am the flag committee guy too - I wear multiple non-paying hats).

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:27:16am

It’s 64° here in “Sharia-controlled” Dearborn, supposed to go up to 90° today.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:32:38am

re: #65 The Vicious Babushka

It’s 64° here in “Sharia-controlled” Dearborn, supposed to go up to 90° today.

You sure that’s not “Shakira-controlled” Dearborn? (I welcome our Shakira overlady.)

Here it’s 71 in Mythical Time Zone.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:33:16am

re: #66 Anymouse 🌹

You sure that’s not “Shakira-controlled” Dearborn? (I welcome our Shakira overlady.)

Here it’s 71 in Mythical Time Zone.

The Shakira Law meme is like so 2015.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:35:02am

re: #67 The Vicious Babushka

The Shakira Law meme is like so 2015.

In western Pennsylvania is it Quakira Law?

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Weaselone  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:35:20am

re: #60 Anymouse 🌹

There has always been an anti-intellectual strain in this country. As far as elites go, if I need surgery I want the most elite surgeon I can dig up. If I want my plumbing fixed, I want the best plumber around. I don’t want a plumber doing my surgery or a surgeon doing my plumbing. And I don’t want either flying a commercial plane (as in that cartoon that pops up here occasionally on the passengers voting on a new pilot).

No, No, No. You can’t trust trained surgeons or professional plumbers because they’re part of the corrupt system. They are just trying to take your money and will gum up things so your body’s and home’s plumbing is always in need of repair. Plus they’ll leave tracking and monitoring devices behind so they can steal your guns and pet your cat while your away from home. They’ll also post recordings of your bowel movements online. I know this is true because it happened to my cousin Bob’s friend’s baker’s accountant. Your can only trust real American plumbers and surgeons who operate out of pawn shops and the back of pickup trucks. Even with those, you should only use the same one a maximum of two times because they become corrupted by the establishment.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:35:42am
Each day at Zimmer Biomet headquarters, machinists on one robot-assisted factory floor churn out about 3,000 metallic knee parts. They are facing pressure to crank up the pace as the population ages and demand soars.

But the artificial-bone giant is grappling with a steep downside of the nation’s low unemployment rate: It is struggling to find enough workers, despite offering some of the region’s best pay and benefits. Forty positions sit open.

Other manufacturers in ­Kosciusko County, home to roughly one-third of global orthopedic device production, are running into the same problem.

[…]

With the U.S. unemployment rate at a 16-year low of 4.3 percent, employers across the country are dealing with a dearth of potential hires. Economists say that talent shortages are growing constraints on the country’s economic expansion, especially as millions of baby boomers enter retirement.

washingtonpost.com

Serfs don’t need no education!

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Timothy Watson  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:37:39am

74F here in Richmond with 86% humidity, supposed to hit 92F.

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Weaselone  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:39:23am

re: #67 The Vicious Babushka

The Shakira Law meme is like so 2015.

It’s still a thing. It’s not so much a meme as an article of faith now.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:46:33am
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jeffreyw  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:49:08am

Imgur
Good morning!

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Amory Blaine  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:54:29am

Holy shit!! 2.1 mile shot!
Canadian elite special forces sniper makes record-breaking kill shot in Iraq

A sniper with Canada’s elite special forces in Iraq has shattered the world record for the longest confirmed kill shot in military history at a staggering distance of 3,450 metres.

Sources say a member of Joint Task Force 2 killed an Islamic State insurgent with a McMillan TAC-50 sniper rifle while firing from a high-rise during an operation that took place within the last month in Iraq. It took under 10 seconds to hit the target.

“The shot in question actually disrupted a Daesh [Islamic State] attack on Iraqi security forces,” said a military source, who stressed the operation fell within the strictures of the government’s advise and assist mission. “Instead of dropping a bomb that could potentially kill civilians in the area, it is a very precise application of force and because it was so far way, the bad guys didn’t have a clue what was happening.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:56:40am

re: #69 Weaselone

No, No, No. You can’t trust trained surgeons or professional plumbers because they’re part of the corrupt system. They are just trying to take your money and will gum up things so your body’s and home’s plumbing is always in need of repair. Plus they’ll leave tracking and monitoring devices behind so they can steal your guns and pet your cat while your away from home. They’ll also post recordings of your bowel movements online. I know this is true because it happened to my cousin Bob’s friend’s baker’s accountant. Your can only trust real American plumbers and surgeons who operate out of pawn shops and the back of pickup trucks. Even with those, you should only use the same one a maximum of two times because they become corrupted by the establishment.

We saw a similar mentality in the Eastern Bloc, when they replaced ideologically unreliable but competent people with party hacks. And we saw how well that worked out for them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:57:15am

re: #75 Amory Blaine

Holy shit!! 2.1 mile shot!
Canadian elite special forces sniper makes record-breaking kill shot in Iraq

Those kind of elites are okay…they kill people.

/

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Timothy Watson  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:57:53am

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Those kind of elites are okay…they kill people.

/

So much for American exceptionalism!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:03:19am

re: #67 The Vicious Babushka

The Shakira Law meme is like so 2015.

I still like it (and Shakira). I guess I’m just an oldz.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:20:21am

re: #43 Anymouse 🌹

I’m not linking InfoWars here, because I don’t want to track mud into Mr. Johnson’s on-line home.

That said, Alex Jones’s break from conspiracy theories is over. He has an article up today with “proof” Adolph Hitler escaped to Argentina.

And he’s desperate to get in contact with Adolf because he admires him so.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:24:43am

re: #80 Patricia Kayden

And he’s desperate to get in contact with Adolf because he admires him so.

Maybe he needs to get in contact with a Spiritualist.

Next on InfoWars: Alex Jones leads a seance.

I just closed my front door. There’s a bunch of grouse in my yard. Too bad a) I don’t have a hunting licence, b) it’s not grouse season, c) it’s illegal to use a shotgun in the city limits except for self-defence.

Maybe I can claim I was defending myself from a vicious covey of grouse. I’ve already been attacked in the past two weeks by a domestic goose when I was at the village shop, and a flock of chickens when I was trying to get into the main village well. (Damn goose actually managed to slice my leg with its beak as I was getting out of my car: It ambushed me, and how the hell does a goose slice anything with its beak?)

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:38:50am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:39:26am

Intel chiefs tell investigators Trump suggested they refute collusion with Russians (goes to CNN)

Two of the nation’s top intelligence officials told Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team and Senate investigators, in separate meetings last week, that President Donald Trump suggested they say publicly there was no collusion between his campaign and the Russians, according to multiple sources.

Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats and National Security Agency Director Adm. Mike Rogers described their interactions with the President about the Russia investigation as odd and uncomfortable, but said they did not believe the President gave them orders to interfere, according to multiple sources familiar with their accounts.

Sources say both men went further than they did in June 7 public hearings, when they provided little detail about the interactions.

(more at the link)

If CNN is correct here, that adds to the acrid smell of obstruction in the air… .

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Timothy Watson  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:41:13am

re: #83 Anymouse 🌹

Intel chiefs tell investigators Trump suggested they refute collusion with Russians (goes to CNN)

(more at the link)

If CNN is correct here, that adds to the acrid smell of obstruction in the air… .

The Commander-in-Chief “suggests” something to an Admiral, but it’s totally not an order.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:59:26am

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Those kind of elites are okay…they kill people.

/

I’m not so big on glorifying warfare. Just me, I guess. Did The Globe and Mail really need to put an Olympics-style leaderboard of kill shots in their article?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:07:17am

re: #8 Unshaken Defiance

Deadly benchmarks at this point. Healthcare, foreign policy, hard economics all about the .01%ers.

I’m old enough to remember when the Democratic “process” with the ACA about near brought the Republic to an end. Now? Everybody’s ‘meh’.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:08:43am

They will get him next time:

11-1

On Friday, a judge declared a mistrial in the case of sexual assault allegations against Bill Cosby after the jury was unable to come to a verdict in several days of deliberations. ABC News has learned that on two counts of felony aggravated indecent assault, the jury was hung 10-2 in favor of a guilty verdict, and on a third count they were hung 11-1 in favor of a guilty verdict. [ABC News]

from 538

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:08:50am

re: #83 Anymouse 🌹

Intel chiefs tell investigators Trump suggested they refute collusion with Russians (goes to CNN)

(more at the link)

If CNN is correct here, that adds to the acrid smell of obstruction in the air… .

Time for another David Brooks column about how all this ‘Russian collusion’ stuff is a bunch of nothing, not nearly as serious as the great Clinton Whitewater scandal.

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Citizen K  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:09:08am

This “Ditch Pelosi now, we need to blow up the party completely to save it’ bullshit roiling through right now is giving me a grim outlook toward ‘18. Our party’s really going to cannibalize itself to appease the purity pony brigade and the dudebros, isn’t it?

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BlueGrl21  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:11:18am

re: #13 alloutofcrazyhere

To further explain my post in the other thread, particularly the second part, it is related to my screen name. With the possible or likely dismantling of the ACA by the Republicans, mental health is going to take a big hit. I have benefitted from the ACA tremendously during the years that it has been around, and it is going to be heart-breaking to see mental health go back to pre-ACA coverage, which sucked ass. I think I understand desperation more than most, so I’ll tell my little story. I have always had my mental health issues from childhood on up, but it wasn’t until about the end of my teens that things completely cratered. It is a very hard thing to do piece your mind back together, especially when you have come to the realization that you never had all the pieces to begin with.

After about twenty years of hard work with many, many psychiatrists, I finally have all of my medications (4) figured out. Also, they are all generic at this point in time. So, that is great news here. The bad news is that I still have major issues with depression. Now, that’s not unusual for bipolar disorder. Those who are more functional than others with bipolar disorder is mainly because their depression and cognitive problems are less severe than others. In fact, I used to function half-way well until the depression just became too much. To be frank, treating depression in bipolar disorder is a mess. For those that don’t know much about it, treating bipolar depression with standard antidepressants is unpredictable. There are about three possible things that can happen. One, the medication works. Two, it does nothing at all. Three, it works, but it destabilizes your mood to such an extent that staying on it becomes a question. As for me, I am the second option. When it comes to a drug designed for bipolar depression by itself, and not another hand-me-down antidepressant, antipsychotic, or anticonvulsant, no such animal exists.

Fortunately for me, that looks like that might be changing. Even though 2016 became the year of the Trumpocalypse, I was able to test a “new” medication last fall that will be approved in 2018 that actually works for people like me. Now, I just have to worry about finishing school and hoping that when I am done, I will have access to that new medication.

Now, why did I share all of that? I guess I just wanted to show that things can look bad for a long, long time. I am talking Groundhog’s Day the movie for twenty years straight kind of bad, where every single day is grey and meaningless, but it is still possible for things to get better.

* Raises hand. * Member of the bipolar fam here. Check your Lamictal at the door.

I am, fortunately, someone who has always been more on the hypomanic side of the spectrum, but when I hit a depressive episode it takes a regular anti-depressant and an anti-psychotic to snap me out of it. These are very expensive meds….I can’t take the older or generic ones. And if I don’t take them I’m a wraith.

I have been incredibly fortunate to have insurance from the time I was diagnosed 20 years ago. The thought of people with mental illnesses like mine having no access to the medications they need is both horrifying and so WASTEFUL. Because so many of us are compassionate, brilliant, creative, and understand struggle and overcoming odds.

I will fight for treatment for the mentally ill for the rest of my life.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:13:08am

re: #88 Sir John Barron

Time for another David Brooks column about how all this ‘Russian collusion’ stuff is a bunch of nothing, not nearly as serious as the great Clinton Whitewater scandal.

publicintegrity.org

More at the link:

One of President Donald Trump’s newest appointees is a registered agent of Saudi Arabia earning hundreds of thousands of dollars to lobby on the kingdom’s behalf, according to U.S. Department of Justice records reviewed by the Center for Public Integrity.

Since January, the Saudi Arabian foreign ministry has paid longtime Republican lobbyist Richard Hohlt about $430,000 in exchange for “advice on legislative and public affairs strategies.”

Trump’s decision to appoint a registered foreign agent to the President’s Commission on White House Fellowships clashes with the president’s vow to clean up Washington and limit the influence of special interests.

Trump singled out lobbyists for foreign governments for special criticism, saying they shouldn’t be permitted to contribute to political campaigns. Hohlt is himself a Trump donor, though his contributions came before he registered to represent Saudi Arabia.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:14:58am

re: #89 Citizen K

This “Ditch Pelosi now, we need to blow up the party completely to save it’ bullshit roiling through right now is giving me a grim outlook toward ‘18. Our party’s really going to cannibalize itself to appease the purity pony brigade and the dudebros, isn’t it?

All the attacks on Pelosi are coming from ratfucking JillShills and BernieOrBusters.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:16:30am

re: #86 Sir John Barron

I’m old enough to remember when the Democratic “process” with the ACA about near brought the Republic to an end. Now? Everybody’s ‘meh’.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:19:21am

No Surprise department entry 1063

SAN FRANCISCO — A man who allegedly rode his motorcycle through a crowd of activists blocking a San Francisco street during a Wednesday afternoon protest against the GOP health care bill was detained by police after the dangerous stunt…

…While police did not release his identity, reports indicated the motorcycle used in the incident was registered to Jeffery Dillon of San Francisco. Dillon is same man who is listed as an administrator of a Facebook group called the “White Privilege Club.”

cbsnews.com

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Timothy Watson  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:19:37am

re: #92 The Vicious Babushka

All the attacks on Pelosi are coming from ratfucking JillShills and BernieOrBusters.

Who do they want to replace her anyway? A magical pony?

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:21:02am

re: #95 Timothy Watson

Who do they want to replace her anyway? A magical pony?

You know, that guy, who was in the House in 2009, who would have gotten Universal Healthcare through both the House and Senate. Him.

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Citizen K  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:21:37am

re: #92 The Vicious Babushka

All the attacks on Pelosi are coming from ratfucking JillShills and BernieOrBusters.

Yeah, I understand that much. But it seems to be gaining enough purchase in both rank & file and the base, especially in the aftermath of the special elections, that it looks like it’s only going to grow rather than go away any time soon. I mean, fuck, how many anecdotes and news stories have we seen about folks on the left having bought full in to the propaganda from the right and then somehow interpreting it all as ‘it’s because Dems aren’t left enough!” (Yes, I know ‘anecdote’ and ‘data’ aren’t synonymous, but fucking still…) And with the worst of Trump seemingly yet to come (next week, for that matter), having such a goddamn loud section of the left seeing only us as the enemy at this point is…

Christ help me. Especially when it’s clear that the core of the party and the lefter-than-thou assholes barely have any sunlight between them on policy.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:21:43am

re: #95 Timothy Watson

Who do they want to replace her anyway? A magical pony?

“Anybody”.

Abe Lincoln: ‘Anybody’ will do for you, but I must have ‘somebody’.

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Citizen K  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:22:59am

re: #93 Belafon

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It’s funny because you wouldn’t fucking know it from the way the media has covered this since it was put in the Senate’s hands..

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Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:23:14am

re: #96 Belafon

You know, that guy, who was in the House in 2009, who would have gotten Universal Healthcare through both the House and Senate. Him.

I’m guessing you mean Jimmy Stewart, but he was in the House much earlier than that.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:23:41am

re: #96 Belafon

You know, that guy, who was in the House in 2009, who would have gotten Universal Healthcare through both the House and Senate. Him.

My favorite congressman.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:26:53am

re: #99 Citizen K

It’s funny because you wouldn’t fucking know it from the way the media has covered this since it was put in the Senate’s hands..

“The Media” exists to sell pickup trucks and boner pills. They will not be riding to the rescue, though they will re-cap the story if it has enough of a body count.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:26:57am

seems appropriate:

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:28:12am

Rebecca Burger (a French model, age 33) was killed after a whipped cream cannister exploded and hit her in the chest.

hollywoodlife.com

The cannister is of the sort homes and commercial kitchens use to make whipped cream, not a store-bought can.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:28:17am

Teh crazies continues…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:30:28am

re: #92 The Vicious Babushka

All the attacks on Pelosi are coming from ratfucking JillShills and BernieOrBusters.

There’s plenty coming from the right as well.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:30:41am

re: #105 The Vicious Babushka

By the way, if Russia was working so hard on the 2016 Election, it all took place during the Obama Admin. Why didn’t they stop them?

— Donald J. Trump

Yes, this is a great response, Donald. Irrefutable. Slam dunk. So much winning here.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:31:06am

re: #105 The Vicious Babushka

Teh crazies continues…

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Starting to sound like The Joker taunting the Gotham cops.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:31:08am

re: #75 Amory Blaine

That’s a win for the good guys. I’m not above celebrating the loss of an ISIS combatant without blasting half the block. They give good reason daily.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:32:19am

re: #105 The Vicious Babushka

Teh crazies continues…

Let’s ask Mitch McConnell.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:32:51am

re: #97 Citizen K

Yeah, I understand that much. But it seems to be gaining enough purchase in both rank & file and the base, especially in the aftermath of the special elections, that it looks like it’s only going to grow rather than go away any time soon. I mean, fuck, how many anecdotes and news stories have we seen about folks on the left having bought full in to the propaganda from the right and then somehow interpreting it all as ‘it’s because Dems aren’t left enough!” (Yes, I know ‘anecdote’ and ‘data’ aren’t synonymous, but fucking still…) And with the worst of Trump seemingly yet to come (next week, for that matter), having such a goddamn loud section of the left seeing only us as the enemy at this point is…

Christ help me. Especially when it’s clear that the core of the party and the lefter-than-thou assholes barely have any sunlight between them on policy.

Though the GOP was headed in that direction anyway at the time, this is the problem Republicans faced with the Tea Party.

We don’t need a lefty version of the Tea Party.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:32:51am

re: #106 Anymouse 🌹

There’s plenty coming from the right as well.

Who will treat respectfully whoever the Dems appoint as a replacement, and won’t feature this person in campaign attack ads or demonize like they do Pelosi, who is after all from San Francisco, which isn’t even America.

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darthstar  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:34:16am
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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:34:45am

re: #112 Sir John Barron

Who will treat respectfully whoever the Dems appoint as a replacement, and won’t feature this person in campaign attack ads or demonize like they do Pelosi, who is after all from San Francisco, which isn’t even America.

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I replied to a tweet last night and pointed out basically the same thing, that whoever they choose will become the most liberal person ever, trying to take all your money and give it all to those others.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:35:47am

re: #113 darthstar

A golden backhoe.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:36:36am

I don’t know how accurate this is, but according to Mic, the Washington Post got a draft copy of the GOP wealthcare plan. The Post says it is to be released at 11AM.

mic.com

• Repeal all taxes instituted by the Affordable Care Act, particularly on the wealthy

• Reduce Medicaid funding in the long term

• Continue to provide subsidies to help people purchase insurance

• Eliminate funding for Planned Parenthood

• End the requirement that all Americans have health insurance

• No longer require companies with more than 50 employees to provide health insurance

More at the link. Most of it is similar to the DOA House bill, but there are differences according to Mic.

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darthstar  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:36:44am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:37:11am

re: #113 darthstar

Former Homeland Security Advisor Jeh Johnson is latest top intelligence official to state there was no grand scheme between Trump & Russia.

— Donald J. Trump

re: #105 The Vicious Babushka

By the way, if Russia was working so hard on the 2016 Election, it all took place during the Obama Admin. Why didn’t they stop them?

— Donald J. Trump

Donald really seems concerned about this ‘collusion’ business today.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:37:45am

from 2008, but really worth watching. File under: The kids are alright.

Moving Windmills: The William Kamkwamba story

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Timothy Watson  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:39:08am

re: #113 darthstar

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He has one:

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:39:33am

re: #116 Anymouse 🌹

Repeal all taxes instituted by the Affordable Care Act, particularly on the wealthy

This is the critical piece for the GOP. The rest is window-dressing.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:39:45am

re: #120 Timothy Watson

Is that a planter?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:40:38am

re: #116 Anymouse 🌹

• Repeal all taxes instituted by the Affordable Care Act, particularly on the wealthy

ftfy

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Timothy Watson  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:40:46am

re: #122 Anymouse 🌹

Is that a planter?

I guess, it’s the type of shovel you see at groundbreakings and the like.

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darthstar  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:40:53am

re: #118 Sir John Barron

Donald really seems concerned about this ‘collusion’ business today.

/

He just had a big esteem building rally in Iowa last night too…you’d think he’d ride that feeling…or is the buzz of a rally not as good as it used to be?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:42:16am

re: #116 Anymouse 🌹

No longer require companies with more than 50 employees to provide health insurance

Actually this is a pretty close second. Combined with the provision ending the requirement, or goal, of everyone having insurance coverage, we will surely reduce the ranks of the insured population.
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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:46:15am

re: #13 alloutofcrazyhere

Thanks for sharing.

AS of now all my meds are covered —most of them are pretty standard.

What really, really bothers me is the availability of psychiatrists. Especially those accepting kids under 13 and medicare. In my part of the world, those that are so overbooked, one can’t be sure they are providing adequate treatment.

I know this because a friend fostered and is now guardian of younger members of her extended family. Luckily her husband’s insurance covers children in guardianship. The out-of-pocket costs are still high, but they have been taking $ out of their personal retirement savings. These kids might actually graduate high school. . Their issues are 90% environmental —their life before being taken from their parents.

This is with ACA. Now, what about the 99.9% of kids in the foster care system who don’t have family members willing and ABLE to take care of them?

This is the future of our country.

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darthstar  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:47:44am

re: #116 Anymouse 🌹

Repeal all taxes instituted by the Affordable Care Act, particularly on the wealthy

Here’s the thing that gets me about this one…they’re also planning to cut taxes for the rich as part of their ‘Tax Reform’ plan…so they’re getting not one, but two major tax cuts back to back.

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covfefe  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:50:06am
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Timothy Watson  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:50:49am

re: #129 covfefe

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Never heard of him, fake news!

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:50:57am

re: #41 Anymouse 🌹

Frank Luntz Could Be the Dumbest Fuck on Earth if He Applied Himself (Goes to Wonkette, where they disassemble Mr. Luntz’s bogus analysis of the GA-6 election with liberal things like math)

He ain’t so dumb. IIRC, he has created spin for the GOP for quit some time and it seems to be working.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:50:57am

The wingnut that goes by the name of Baked Alaska (Tim Gionet) claims his bodyguard is in hospital after being shanked by a whole bunch (two) anti-white, anti-Trump Armenians. He is claiming a hate crime, which apparently the LAPD aren’t buying. He is apparently all over Twitter spinning up his tale of Armenian hate-crimers.

The LAPD arrested the two men and are holding them on charges of attempted murder.

wonkette.com

SMOTI jumped on the story about “Armenian gang members” but deleted that part (not before a screen grab was taken, and its still in the URL).

Wonkette has all the details of the stabbing with appropriate shots from Twitter.

Expect the wingnutosphere to explode.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:51:06am

re: #88 Sir John Barron

Time for another David Brooks column about how all this ‘Russian collusion’ stuff is a bunch of nothing, not nearly as serious as the great Clinton Whitewater scandal.

Dilbert has been playing this theme lately. Fellow employees spread rumors about Dibert colluding with Elbonia. Yawn.

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darthstar  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:51:53am
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darthstar  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:54:05am

re: #134 darthstar

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:54:28am

re: #49 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I posted this already for my friends and relatives in Phoenix:

The Fast Show: Portugese weather forecast

although slightly less funny: Portugal has been plagued by forest fires, resulting in dozens of deaths.

This, according to the BBC has to do with the fact that most of Portugal’s forests are privately owned in small parcels and often poorly managed with no coordinated fire-fighting plans in place.

A thought to keep in mind when we start privatizing all of our national forest lands…

Not to be confused with Portuguese Irregular Verbs.amazon.com

Sorry, I was reminded of the bookl

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covfefe  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:54:28am

re: #105 The Vicious Babushka

Wasn’t there a NYT article (or other news org) that said as plain as day that Republicans ignored all the signs Russia had been digging into out systems even before the primaries?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:54:29am

re: #134 darthstar

I’m safe (for now) due to my VA and Tricare for my wife. I expect the GOP to turn to those soon.

Can one obtain political asylum for inability to obtain health services? Asking for 23 million people.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:54:55am

re: #54 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

BBC recently ran an article about some Nazi-era artifacts turning up in Argentina. Proof enough for AJ

Then there was that whole series.

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:56:19am

re: #92 The Vicious Babushka

All the attacks on Pelosi are coming from ratfucking JillShills and BernieOrBusters.

Unfortunately that is not what is happening. Democratic representatives from red states are starting to think she is a drain image wise. Even Tim Ryan from Ohio is saying they may have to take a look at someone else because of Pelosi being a negative image used against the Democrats.

When pushed, Ryan and others say they love Pelosi, her toughness, experience and fund raising, but they have to consider the future and the fact that she is used as a hammer.

I think they got all caught up with those nasty commercials in the Georgia election where Pelosi was used as the evil leader of the party spreading Hollywood and abortion all over this land.

It’s sad, as is all of the politics in this country.

The Democrats are worried about image while the entire image of the Republican party is Trump.

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darthstar  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:57:42am

re: #138 Anymouse 🌹

I’m safe (for now) due to my VA and Tricare for my wife. I expect the GOP to turn to those soon.

Can one obtain political asylum for inability to obtain health services? Asking for 23 million people.

It’s large employers that can really fuck people…take WalMart - they employ 2.1 million people in the US…if they base their health care in Arkansas, and Arkansas has a waiver (for preventive care, birth control, etc.) they can provide insurance to people in every state with annual and lifetime limits.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:59:40am

re: #87 I Would Prefer Not To

They will get him next time:

11-1

On Friday, a judge declared a mistrial in the case of sexual assault allegations against Bill Cosby after the jury was unable to come to a verdict in several days of deliberations. ABC News has learned that on two counts of felony aggravated indecent assault, the jury was hung 10-2 in favor of a guilty verdict, and on a third count they were hung 11-1 in favor of a guilty verdict. [ABC News]

from 538

What I don’t get is his wife as media spokesperson.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:00:14am

re: #141 darthstar

It’s large employers that can really fuck people…take WalMart - they employ 2.1 million people in the US…if they base their health care in Arkansas, and Arkansas has a waiver (for preventive care, birth control, etc.) they can provide insurance to people in every state with annual and lifetime limits.

Oh, they intend to get all of us sooner or later. There are no clear numbers of veterans in the USA, but the estimate is in the tens of millions. Throw in their dependants for tens of millions more.

Privatising the VA and selling it to the highest (or lowest) bidder has long been a goal of the GOP. Do that, and benefits promised for being drafted or enlisting are gone. Preëxisting conditions are the norm for virtually every disabled vet.

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Renaissance_Man  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:02:09am

re: #140 ObserverArt

Unfortunately that is not what is happening. Democratic representatives from red states are starting to think she is a drain image wise. Even Tim Ryan from Ohio is saying they may have to take a look at someone else because of Pelosi being a negative image used against the Democrats.

When pushed, Ryan and others say they love Pelosi, her toughness, experience and fund raising, but they have to consider the future and the fact that she is used as a hammer.

I think they got all caught up with those nasty commercials in the Georgia election where Pelosi was used as the evil leader of the party spreading Hollywood and abortion all over this land.

It’s sad, as is all of the politics in this country.

The Democrats are worried about image while the entire image of the Republican party is Trump.

I would expect that Democrats will bend to this media narrative, as usual, and replace her with someone supposedly more palatable.

This person will immediately become the most liberal demon ever in another string of ads, because that’s the beauty of cult hatred - it can be turned against anyone and anything instantly, because of the complete control that cult media has over its thralls, and its ability to drive the entire media narrative as a result.

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darthstar  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:03:14am
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Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:04:30am

re: #143 Anymouse 🌹

Oh, they intend to get all of us sooner or later. There are no clear numbers of veterans in the USA, but the estimate is in the tens of millions. Throw in their dependants for tens of millions more.

Privatising the VA and selling it to the highest (or lowest) bidder has long been a goal of the GOP. Do that, and benefits promised for being drafted or enlisting are gone. Preëxisting conditions are the norm for virtually every disabled vet.

Libertarian footnote: If you’re over retirement age, you’re supposed to be dead. Retirement age for your profession will be adjusted by market forces.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:07:05am

re: #144 Renaissance_Man

I would expect that Democrats will bend to this media narrative, as usual, and replace her with someone supposedly more palatable.

This person will immediately become the most liberal demon ever in another string of ads, because that’s the beauty of cult hatred - it can be turned against anyone and anything instantly, because of the complete control that cult media has over its thralls, and its ability to drive the entire media narrative as a result.

I think it more likely that rather than her replacement as Minority Leader becoming the next bete noire, it’ll be another woman, maybe Elizabeth Warren, although Kamala Harris is making a run for it.

But, don’t you dare call them misogynist.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:08:08am

Employees cost money.

What incentive is there for any business to adjust their goals to include lower profits and a higher number of employees?

none it is an inherent conflict.

Besides offering basic business course in high school —so single mom who earns an income thru childcare or house cleaning could conceivably make a profit and possible hire someone some day.

Oh and Comprehensive Sex Ed and Cost-Free Birth Control,

Other than that, I don’t have an answer. It’s not that we don’t have enough jobs, it’s that we have too many people.

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Weaselone  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:09:54am

re: #140 ObserverArt

Unfortunately that is not what is happening. Democratic representatives from red states are starting to think she is a drain image wise. Even Tim Ryan from Ohio is saying they may have to take a look at someone else because of Pelosi being a negative image used against the Democrats.

1. Republicans will vilify whoever else steps into that position.
2. I doubt Tim Ryan would volunteer to step down if he became the new Republican poster child for all that is evil and liberal.
3. Bernie’s also being used to tar Democrats in these races. Quist’s closeness to him is probably one of the reasons he lost that election. Ossoff, despite being a dirty centrist was tied to Bernie and the Alexandria shooter in the closing days of the election.

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covfefe  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:10:52am

re: #137 covfefe

Oh yeah. It was Bloomberg.

bloomberg.com

So Trump’s statement that the Obama Admin is, yeah you guessed it. Complete bullshit. In fact, Republicans refused to cooperate. They have known all along.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:10:57am

from my inbox:
DISRUPTIVE INNOVATION SUMMIT

These kids are impressive.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:12:48am
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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:12:53am

re: #132 Anymouse 🌹

The wingnut that goes by the name of Baked Alaska (Tim Gionet) claims his bodyguard is in hospital after being shanked by a whole bunch (two) anti-white, anti-Trump Armenians. He is claiming a hate crime, which apparently the LAPD aren’t buying. He is apparently all over Twitter spinning up his tale of Armenian hate-crimers.

The LAPD arrested the two men and are holding them on charges of attempted murder.

wonkette.com

SMOTI jumped on the story about “Armenian gang members” but deleted that part (not before a screen grab was taken, and its still in the URL).

Wonkette has all the details of the stabbing with appropriate shots from Twitter.

Expect the wingnutosphere to explode.

Armenians aren’t white? Who knew? Looks like the assailants are just garden variety hoodlums but it’s easy to see that Armenians would have a problem with genocide advocates and could have recognized this neo-nazi shit for what he is.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:12:59am

Presidential…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:14:14am

re: #149 Weaselone

1. Republicans will vilify whoever else steps into that position.
2. I doubt Tim Ryan would volunteer to step down if he became the new Republican poster child for all that is evil and liberal.
3. Bernie’s also being used to tar Democrats in these races. Quist’s closeness to him is probably one of the reasons he lost that election. Ossoff, despite being a dirty centrist was tied to Bernie and the Alexandria shooter in the closing days of the election.

I’m guessing Ossoff’s loss has more to do with R+20 district that once had Newt Gingrich as a representative and less to do with Bernie Sanders. (They did tie Mr Ossoff to Nancy Pelosi in adverts there.)

The GOP knows that race was closer than it should have been. There are many Republican districts where the draw of either Quist or Ossoff would have won them the race with as big of swings they caused in their elections.

They might be out doing a victory dance, but the huge amount of money they threw at four House races to maintain safe seats by a couple thousand votes is not sustainable.

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:14:28am

re: #116 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t know how accurate this is, but according to Mic, the Washington Post got a draft copy of the GOP wealthcare plan. The Post says it is to be released at 11AM.

mic.com

More at the link. Most of it is similar to the DOA House bill, but there are differences according to Mic.

Is the Senate really going to allow company’s with more than 50 employees to not have to offer health insurance???

If so, that is going to throw a lot of people into having to find insurance and that is where pre-existing conditions are going to catch a lot of people out. In the past large groups had enough enrolled to cover people with preexisting conditions.

That is taking and throwing a metric shitload of people to the insurance wolves to take advantage of them in higher rates.

Why it’s almost like the are chumming the waters for the insurance sharks.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:14:55am

re: #151 Birth Control Works

from my inbox:
DISRUPTIVE INNOVATION SUMMIT

These kids are impressive.

Hope they checked their tail-lights.

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darthstar  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:15:02am

Long tail is getting larger…as are his brothers and sisters. He’s easy to spot since he’s the only one who didn’t get docked.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:15:11am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:17:31am

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel

Armenians aren’t white? Who knew? Looks like the assailants are just garden variety hoodlums but it’s easy to see that Armenians would have a problem with genocide advocates and could have recognized this neo-nazi shit for what he is.

That’s probably why Mr. Hoft changed his article. As for the claim of the bodyguard, he claims he was “surprised” by the attack (after he got out of his car to confront them apparently).

A bodyguard who is surprised by a knife attack when he wades into it mouthing off (alcohol?) isn’t much of a bodyguard.

I expect a grift to pay his medical bills will appear on wingnut sites. I’d also bet he was too conservative to consider signing up for insurance under the ACA (but that is speculation on my part).

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Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:18:00am

re: #160 Birth Control Works

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Since there is no fixed definition, “welfare” often means things like emergency room treatment to shitstick demagogues and their eager listeners.

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darthstar  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:18:07am

Trump’s on a troll…

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Timothy Watson  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:18:26am

re: #160 Birth Control Works

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SEE ANOTHER GREAT TRUMP SUCCESS YOU WON’T TALK ABOUT!!1!

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:19:26am

How much you want to bet thy give them around ten years to remedy the problem.
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:20:07am

re: #157 ObserverArt

Is the Senate really going to allow company’s with more than 50 employees to not have to offer health insurance???

If so, that is going to throw a lot of people into having to find insurance and that is where pre-existing conditions are going to catch a lot of people out. In the past large groups had enough enrolled to cover people with preexisting conditions.

That is taking and throwing a metric shitload of people to the insurance wolves to take advantage of them in higher rates.

Why it’s almost like the are chumming the waters for the insurance sharks.

Are companies of less than fifty employees required to have insurance?

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darthstar  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:22:20am
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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:24:23am

re: #142 Birth Control Works

What I don’t get is his wife as media spokesperson.

If his wife is sticking by his side (and excusing the asshole) it must mean he is not quilty.

That is the sole reason…an image and a narrative.

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Le Coquí Résistance  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:25:19am

re: #113 darthstar

Better, a golden painted one. We don’t have money for a true golden one.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:28:36am

re: #111 Anymouse 🌹

Though the GOP was headed in that direction anyway at the time, this is the problem Republicans faced with the Tea Party.

We don’t need a lefty version of the Tea Party.

The Tea Party succeeded in getting a Republican House and a Republican Senate. So — maybe we do need a lefty version if it can win. Being reasonable and offering real solutions doesn’t seem to work. We need a left Frank Luntz who can frame issues in bumper sticker slogans to persuade the average American. And we need a large group of persistent citizens to force the GOP out of office.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:30:10am

Let’s face it. It’s not the smart ones who get picked for these kinds of attacks.

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covfefe  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:31:26am

We all remember Trump’s talk of a rigged election during the campaign season. Now I’m thinking this was all to set the stage to obstruct Hillary at every turn if she were to actually win. “Russia helped her!”. Trump didn’t want or expect to win, and now it’s backfiring on him big time.

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darthstar  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:35:17am
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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:37:16am

re: #166 Anymouse 🌹

Are companies of less than fifty employees required to have insurance?

Must be a rule somewhere but I don’t know. A lot of smaller companies use human resource companies for their insurance, payroll and taxes. That creates bigger insurance pools for better rates.

I’m just amazed that it is even being considered that companies over 50 employees will not be required. That is huge. And that could cause a backlash on the Republicans unlike anything seen in many years.

They are taking away the EPA, they have taken unions, they have taken overtime regulations, they have fought minimum wages and they are thinking of eliminating insurance too it seems.

I guess big corporations will be coming back to America after all. We can haz sweatshops here now.

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BlackPearl  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:44:51am

LMGTFY: obamacarefacts.com

“ObamaCare’s “employer mandate” is a requirement that all businesses with 50 or more full-time equivalent employees (FTE) provide health insurance to at least 95% of their full-time employees and dependents up to age 26, or pay a fee.”

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BlackPearl  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:47:06am

Oh, hey, we had a tornado here today! That was… not something I expected in northern Germany.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:48:01am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:50:01am

re: #167 darthstar

But, really, truly, there was no collusion. Believe me.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:51:00am

re: #163 darthstar

I certainly hope the Democrats do not force Nancy P out. That would be very bad for the Republican Party - and please let Cryin’ Chuck stay!

— Donald J. Trump

Today is the day that DJT became president……

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:51:12am

I’m working at home this morning. Just took a break and checked the teevee. Fox is of course working the “It’s Comey and Lynch who need to be investigated angle.” Convenient. Don’t have to talk about health care or Russia.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:52:26am

re: #179 Sir John Barron

Today is the day that DJT became president……

“And people of Cedar Rapids, I want to let you know that God loves you. Covfefe.”

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darthstar  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:53:14am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:54:15am

re: #160 Birth Control Works

To crowd:
MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA

To nearby aide:

“Uh, I think I’m out of material. What do I say next?”

Aide: Just say something about ‘welfare’.

“Like what?”

Aide: Just make something up. They won’t know the difference.

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darthstar  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:55:30am

re: #178 Sir John Barron

But, really, truly, there was no collusion. Believe me.

///

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:56:38am

re: #157 ObserverArt

Is the Senate really going to allow company’s with more than 50 employees to not have to offer health insurance???

McCain, Collins, Murkowski, and a few others will be “very concerned” about this provision, and then of course vote for the thing.

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darthstar  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:58:07am

re: #184 darthstar

Placed that meme where it belongs…

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:58:26am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:59:06am

re: #187 FormerDirtDart

Donald is pretty new at this presidenting thing.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:00:19am

re: #188 Sir John Barron

Donald is pretty new at this presidenting thing.

But he’s a past master at this lying thing.

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covfefe  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:00:48am
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wheat-dogg  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:03:13am

re: #174 ObserverArt

Must be a rule somewhere but I don’t know. A lot of smaller companies use human resource companies for their insurance, payroll and taxes. That creates bigger insurance pools for better rates.

I;m just amazed that it is even being considered that companies over 50 employees will not be required. That is huge. And that could cause a backlash on the Republicans unlike anything seen in many years.

They are taking away the EPA, they have taken unions, they have taken overtime regulations, they have fought minimum wages and they are thinking of eliminating insurance too it seems.

I guess big corporations will be coming back to America after all. We can haz sweatshops here now.

I rather glad I found another job in China now. At least I get some kind of minimal health coverage as a bennie.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:06:10am

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makeitstop  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:07:02am

I just got this call. Points plus for being honest, I still didn’t pick up.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:08:01am

re: #183 Sir John Barron

To crowd:
MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA

To nearby aide:

“Uh, I think I’m out of material. What do I say next?”

Aide: Just say something about ‘welfare’.

“Like what?”

Aide: Just make something up. They won’t know the difference.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:09:36am

re: #193 makeitstop

I just got this call. Points plus for being honest, I still didn’t pick up.

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China Mobile and my mobile phone maker, XiaoMi, provide a scam call warning service. Users report the numbers and whenever you get a call from a scammer, a warning pops up along with the incoming phone number.

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makeitstop  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:15:52am

re: #195 wheat-dogg

China Mobile and my mobile phone maker, XiaoMi, provide a scam call warning service. Users report the numbers and whenever you get a call from a scammer, a warning pops up along with the incoming phone number.

I did a reverse lookup and it was the infamous IRS ‘you are being audited!!’ call.

Had I known I would have called back and messed with them. Ah, well, next time maybe.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:17:15am

BTW, I finally saw Wonder Woman tonight. Well worth the time and money. I have to admit casting David Thewlis as Ares was a surprise. He looks rather un-godlike, but looks can be deceiving, eh? I mean, Zeus impersonated a swan at one point.

It was not a perfect movie, as there are some plot holes, but the overall message was, for once in a DC movie, positive and uplifting. It wasn’t the brooding self-absorption that’s the main plot point to the recent Batman and Superman flicks.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:19:10am

re: #197 wheat-dogg

BTW, I finally saw Wonder Woman tonight. Well worth the time and money. I have to admit casting David Thewlis as Ares was a surprise. He looks rather un-godlike, but looks can be deceiving, eh? I mean, Zeus impersonated a swan at one point.

It was not a perfect movie, as there are some plot holes, but the overall message was, for once in a DC movie, positive and uplifting. It wasn’t the brooding self-absorption that’s the main plot point to the recent Batman and Superman flicks.

After seeing him in Harry Potter, it’s a bit jolting to see Thewlis in Dragonheart (Dennis Quaid, Sean Connery) as the young bad guy.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:20:30am

re: #192 Birth Control Works

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That sounds just like my representative Adrian Smith (R-NE3) on NPR last week. The GOP is closer to the Communist Party of the Soviet Union than I suspected.

Who knew Joe McCarthy was projecting. I guess they’ve been at it a long time.

I had to duck out to start mailing some of my eclipse invitation cards (they are made up like wedding invitations - you are cordially invited to witness the union of the Sun and the Moon, &c). Foreign ones first (Germany, Switzerland, Poland, Brazil).

Eclipse stamps are hard to come by here - they sold out of every post office in the area in the first couple hours. I got the last sheet in the county seat yesterday.

Postage for a postcard is $1.15 overseas, so lots of additional stamps to make up the difference of a First Class eclipse stamp.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:21:17am

re: #199 Anymouse 🌹

Why isn’t Trump starving then?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:22:05am

re: #200 Belafon

Why isn’t Trump starving then?

IOKIYAR

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:22:16am

re: #187 FormerDirtDart

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I heard last night his staff was aghast at some of those whopper statements. Apparently he came off the teleprompter and started to wing it.

The crowd loved it. They like getting bullshitted, they’ve watched Fox News for years. And Trumped loved it because he has been lying his entire life. A symbiotic relationship if ever there was one politically.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:23:43am

re: #198 Belafon

After seeing him in Harry Potter, it’s a bit jolting to see Thewlis in Dragonheart (Dennis Quaid, Sean Connery) as the young bad guy.

Brilliant casting choice, IMO, because most people (myself included) associate Thewlis with Remus Lupin. It’s been so long since I’ve seen Dragonheart I didn’t even make that association, though.

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Interesting Times  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:24:15am

re: #170 Hecuba’s daughter

The Tea Party succeeded in getting a Republican House and a Republican Senate. So — maybe we do need a lefty version if it can win. Being reasonable and offering real solutions doesn’t seem to work. We need a left Frank Luntz who can frame issues in bumper sticker slogans to persuade the average American. And we need a large group of persistent citizens to force the GOP out of office.

Thank you - this is exactly what I’ve been saying. As for Pelosi, I’ll repeat that part here:

…have Democrats ever tried the classic GOP technique of doubling down instead of hem/haw timid-ass defensive plays? Since the haters are gonna hate anyway, what have Dems got to lose by saying something like, “You’re damn right we support Pelosi because even conservatives call her one of the most consequential speakers in history. She gets shit done, motherfucker. Shit that helps you and your family.”

Yes, ~62 million voters may be hopelessly brainwashed GOP cultists beyond all hope and reason, but it’s the voter suppression, stupid. Dems need a milkshake message that brings all the non-voters to the polls.

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BeachDem  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:28:38am

re: #170 Hecuba’s daughter

The Tea Party succeeded in getting a Republican House and a Republican Senate. So — maybe we do need a lefty version if it can win. Being reasonable and offering real solutions doesn’t seem to work. We need a left Frank Luntz who can frame issues in bumper sticker slogans to persuade the average American. And we need a large group of persistent citizens to force the GOP out of office.

Well, we’ve had George Lakoff telling us how to frame things for umpteen years, but nobody seems to listen to him.

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sagehen  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:30:39am

re: #166 Anymouse 🌹

Are companies of less than fifty employees required to have insurance?

Not required by law, but in some industries its the only way to get the kind of employees they want.

The Obamacare exchanges for subsidized individual plans, are only available to people whose employers don’t offer insurance. If your employer has a crap plan, that’s what you’re stuck with.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:31:06am

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:32:23am

re: #170 Hecuba’s daughter

The Tea Party succeeded in getting a Republican House and a Republican Senate. So — maybe we do need a lefty version if it can win. Being reasonable and offering real solutions doesn’t seem to work. We need a left Frank Luntz who can frame issues in bumper sticker slogans to persuade the average American. And we need a large group of persistent citizens to force the GOP out of office.

We also need a few billionaires willing to throw their money into things like buying a news station. //

I do think we need to model the tea party in two ways: 1) be passionate for your candidate in the primaries, and be passionate for the Democrat in the general, 2) run for every office you can.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:32:27am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:32:50am

re: #204 Interesting Times (rest cut):

Yes, ~62 million voters may be hopelessly brainwashed GOP cultists beyond all hope and reason, but it’s the voter suppression, stupid. Dems need a milkshake message that brings all the non-voters to the polls.

I’m guessing that if this keeps up, those sixty-two million voters will be a lower number next time around (assuming Mr. Trump makes it that long). The combination of motivated Democrats, so-called independents, apathists, and depressed Republicans might do it.

The Trump voters who were tepid on the guy and only pulled the lever because (R) and not because what he stood for (graft) may be significantly less motivated to vote. (Consider the lowered turnout for GA6’s GOP for example). The GOP’s number-crunchers have to know this as well.

While in my town it was obvious to everyone who I supported (Sanders, then Clinton from my yard signs, plus I’m a Democrat), my wife was busy sewing doubt in this election on her own (I didn’t put her up to it). She was busy selling Gary Johnson to wavering Republicans (as she can do the Libertarian schtick since she used to be an LP member).

While that didn’t flip the town from GOP to Libertarians, the LP got a whole lot more votes here than they might have expected, all at the expense of the GOP. (I still want to know who the two Green Party voters were - I know everyone here and I can’t figure that one out.)

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:33:50am

bbl

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:34:53am

I once paddled a Zodiac across the Santa Rosa Sound late one evening in early Dec. ‘92, along with a couple hundred other gents toting automatic weapons…

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calochortus  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:35:59am

re: #210 Anymouse 🌹

(rest cut):

(I still want to know who the two Green Party voters were - I know everyone here and I can’t figure that one out.)

The Ruskies? (insert ominous music here)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:36:17am
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sagehen  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:37:44am

re: #208 Belafon

We also need a few billionaires willing to throw their money into things like buying a news station. //

I still haven’t forgiven, and may never forgive, Ted Turner for selling CNN to Time Warner.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:37:56am

re: #213 calochortus

The Ruskies? (insert ominous music here)

While I have questions about Dr. Jill Stein’s little vacay to Russia for the same event as Michael Flynn, I somehow don’t think my mighty metroplex is on Russia’s political radar. (Their military radar, sure: We have way more ICBMs around here than people.)

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:38:40am

re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth

Newt Gingrich acknowledges Donald Trump lied about tapes to try to intimidate James Comey before Senate testimony. apnews.com pic.twitter.com

— Justin Hendrix

Fox News: James Comey is really the one who should be under investigation

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:39:07am
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Teukka  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:39:25am

re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They just can’t help it, can they?
*facepalms*

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sagehen  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:39:32am

re: #210 Anymouse 🌹

(I still want to know who the two Green Party voters were - I know everyone here and I can’t figure that one out.)

Does anybody have kids away at college who voted absentee?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:39:39am

re: #217 Sir John Barron

Fox News: James Comey is really the one who should be under investigation

What did he know about Hillary Clinton’s E-mail server and when did he know it?

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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:40:35am

re: #208 Belafon

We also need a few billionaires willing to throw their money into things like buying a news station. //

I do think we need to model the tea party in two ways: 1) be passionate for your candidate in the primaries, and be passionate for the Democrat in the general, 2) run for every office you can.

Perhaps it was because of the Tea Party challengers, but the GOP establishment definitely seemed to move towards the Tea Party positions. I wonder if the Democratic establishment would move toward the positions of a progressive movement similar to the Tea Party? And relatedly, in our system, with two national major national parties, how would the electorate react to even more polarization? Keep in mind, while we had about 127.8m people vote in the general election, only about 60m voted in the primaries (about 30m in the Democratic primaries and 29.5m in the GOP primaries).

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Interesting Times  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:40:42am

re: #205 BeachDem

Well, we’ve had George Lakoff telling us how to frame things for umpteen years, but nobody seems to listen to him.

Yes. I once worked on a project with others to use his framing in the 2012 election. Unfortunately, no one in the Dem establishment seemed interested and…

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So…not all BoBers are ratfuckers. Some of them look at the Dem establishment’s ineptitude at messaging, GOTV, etc. and think it’s a *deliberate* ploy to lose elections, kayfabe-style. Sadly, that old cliche “perception is reality” applies tenfold to US politics.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:41:02am

re: #220 sagehen

Does anybody have kids away at college who voted absentee?

There are a few away at college. That could be. For the folk here in town I imagine they would eat a railcar load of coal before voting for Stein.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:42:14am

re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth

Former GOP Speaker & close Trump ally says Trump tried to intimidate a witness before a Congressional hearing —>

— Jesse Ferguson

Yeah but if there was no collusion you must acquit.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:43:16am

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

Annnd that is why I am glad that all of my medications are generic and don’t require blood testing.

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calochortus  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:46:10am

re: #205 BeachDem

Well, we’ve had George Lakoff telling us how to frame things for umpteen years, but nobody seems to listen to him.

Framing is my new best friend in debates. I’m trying to step back from whomever I’m debating with and take a moment to see the bigger issue. So far I think it’s working well-though it can be hard to keep the other person on point when they use the “well, what about THIS????” method of debate.
Sometimes I even throw in a little something to show where we’re really very much alike even though we disagree on this particular issue.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:46:28am

I don’t buy this for a second.

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Interesting Times  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:47:39am

re: #228 FormerDirtDart

I don’t buy this for a second.

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Meh. Kayfabe most likely. One of them will cave and allow “Handmaid’s Tale is an instruction manual, yo” Pence to break the tie.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:48:07am

re: #228 FormerDirtDart

I am sure they are just “concerned” or “troubled” by the health care bill.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:48:08am

re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So Newt’s okay with POTUS intimidating witnesses. Yeah that sounds great Newt.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:48:53am

re: #223 Interesting Times

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:49:20am

re: #231 HappyWarrior

So Newt’s okay with POTUS intimidating witnesses. Yeah that sounds great Newt.

IOKIYAR

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Amory Blaine  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:49:34am

Like it or not pissed off voters vote. The Dems would be wise to cultivate and harness this phenomenon.

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sagehen  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:49:41am

re: #227 calochortus

Framing is my new best friend in debates. I’m trying to step back from whomever I’m debating with and take a moment to see the bigger issue. So far I think it’s working well-though it can be hard to keep the other person on point when they use the “well, what about THIS????” method of debate.
Sometimes I even throw in a little something to show where we’re really very much alike even though we disagree on this particular issue.

My favorite framing example:

is 48% of people “almost half” or “not even half” the population?

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:50:00am

re: #221 Anymouse 🌹

What did he know about Hillary Clinton’s E-mail server and when did he know it?

Sekelow (sp?) was on Hannity saying Comey’s “leak” of his own memos was illegal; that got picked up by Fox News as serious journalism this morning. Right after that they spent 30 minutes on Trey Gowdy’s blurt that Loretta Lynch must be investigated for colluding with Comey to call the meeting with Clinton a “matter.” And of course, yesterday it was rumored that Chuck Grassley is starting to reopen investigations into Hillary. I’d say there’s the old well-oiled GOP bullshit machine in operation.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:50:52am

re: #228 FormerDirtDart

I don’t buy this for a second.

OK well we’ll believe this very solid source when the public opposition is publicly expressed in public.

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BeachDem  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:51:21am

re: #223 Interesting Times
re: #223 Interesting Times

Yes. I once worked on a project with others to use his framing in the 2012 election. Unfortunately, no one in the Dem establishment seemed interested and…

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So…not all BoBers are ratfuckers. Some of them look at the Dem establishment’s ineptitude at messaging, GOTV, etc. and think it’s a *deliberate* ploy to lose elections, kayfabe-style. Sadly, that old cliche “perception is reality” applies tenfold to US politics.

I have “Don’t Think of an Elephant” on my tablet and bring up passages at meetings sometimes.

His post-election analysis should be required reading for Democrats.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:53:30am

re: #227 calochortus

Framing is my new best friend in debates. I’m trying to step back from whomever I’m debating with and take a moment to see the bigger issue. So far I think it’s working well-though it can be hard to keep the other person on point when they use the “well, what about THIS????” method of debate.
Sometimes I even throw in a little something to show where we’re really very much alike even though we disagree on this particular issue.

Ah, whataboutism. There are a number of ways to address that:

a) don’t let them derail you. Drag them back to the original argument: That has nothing to do with what we’re talking about.
b) agree to discuss that at a later time, then drag them back to the original issue.
c) combine the two if they are similar and continue with the same line of argument
d) point out that there are many different issues surrounding a candidate or issues and they all require consideration to make an informed choice (then go back to the original issue).

In political arguments I have, the point for me is not to “win.” I can’t reason someone out of a position they reasoned themselves into. I can only give them information they didn’t have before and ask them to consider it. Not every discussion will be immediately fruitful, but might be days or weeks or months later.

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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:56:41am

re: #228 FormerDirtDart

Well, there’s the story of Ron Johnson (R-WI) saying on CNN that he won’t vote for the bill without time to review it and get public comment. So, that’s likely one. Pencil in Collins and some combination of Murkowski, Sullivan, and Capito (Alaska and West Virginia have very high Medicaid enrollment from what I understand). Plus the public comments from people like Hatch and McCain about being annoyed they haven’t seen anything in the bill. And the fact that Trump’s approval rating is approaching that of most STDs.

McConnell is usually smarter than this, but maybe the play really is to put it up for a vote and see it not pass; then he and the hardliners can say how they fought the good fight, but its the law of the land and like Medicare or Social Security, we’re just going to have to find a way to make it “more market oriented” rather than get rid of it. Or some other bullshit, since, after all, it was their own damn proposal in 1994.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:57:00am

re: #236 Barefoot Grin

Sekelow (sp?) was on Hannity saying Comey’s “leak” of his own memos was illegal; that got picked up by Fox News as serious journalism this morning. Right after that they spent 30 minutes on Trey Gowdy’s blurt that Loretta Lynch must be investigated for colluding with Comey to call the meeting with Clinton a “matter.” And of course, yesterday it was rumored that Chuck Grassley is starting to reopen investigations into Hillary. I’d say there’s the old well-oiled GOP bullshit machine in operation.

At some point you have to wonder why Fox News doesn’t melt down in flames from the effect of all the lies it spews.

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Mike Lamb  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:57:15am

re: #228 FormerDirtDart

I don’t buy this for a second.

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They’ll announce publicly that they can’t support the bill in its current form unless it does more for x, y, or z. Some fig leaf amendment will be attached to the bill. “My concerns have been addressed—I’ll vote for it.”

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calochortus  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:59:31am

re: #239 Anymouse 🌹

Yup. I’ve had years of training on that debating my favorite nephew. He wanders here and there in his arguments. Sometimes I bring him back to the point, sometimes not.

It also helps to point out that it is possible to change my mind on things when I’m provided with good evidence.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:00:43am

re: #240 KGxvi

Well, there’s the story of Ron Johnson (R-WI) saying on CNN that he won’t vote for the bill without time to review it and get public comment.

This condition for Johnson can be easily met now that the bill’s language has been released. The ‘public comment’ condition is a pretty wide open door, too. Since the public comments he’s likely to take the most seriously will be those of his and his party’s base. Of course he did just get re-elected, so he could buck the party’s leadership. But I doubt he will.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:01:33am

re: #240 KGxvi

Well, there’s the story of Ron Johnson (R-WI) saying on CNN that he won’t vote for the bill without time to review it and get public comment. So, that’s likely one. Pencil in Collins and some combination of Murkowski, Sullivan, and Capito (Alaska and West Virginia have very high Medicaid enrollment from what I understand). Plus the public comments from people like Hatch and McCain about being annoyed they haven’t seen anything in the bill. And the fact that Trump’s approval rating is approaching that of most STDs.

McConnell is usually smarter than this, but maybe the play really is to put it up for a vote and see it not pass; then he and the hardliners can say how they fought the good fight, but its the law of the land and like Medicare or Social Security, we’re just going to have to find a way to make it “more market oriented” rather than get rid of it. Or some other bullshit, since, after all, it was their own damn proposal in 1994.

Louisiana Senator Bill Cassidy (M.D.) has been pretty vocal about the bill’s shortcomings, too. We’ll see.

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Interesting Times  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:02:19am

re: #238 BeachDem

I think one of the lesser-known but best people to read right now is Kathleen Geier - she was Bernie supporter but NOT a BoBer (voted for HRC to stop trump). I find she has great ideas for taking the popular Bernie positions and, rather than tying them to him personality-cult style, merging them with existing Democratic positions:

Voting Off the Apprentice President

Of course, impeachment efforts face a similar hurdle, and GOP resistance will, if anything, be even more fierce. But if the Democrats take back the House in 2018, it’s a new ball game. And even if they don’t, a drive to impeach Trump could produce significant political benefits for the left.

The failure to impeach, on the other hand, would come with a serious political cost: it would normalize Trumpian corruption and contempt for democracy.

Inequality in Black and White: The rigged economics of race in America

The economic trends that have battered Americans have been exceptionally hard on African Americans, making them perhaps the truest face of economic inequality. Much of the progress in the workplace and in schools that African Americans have made since the 1964 Civil Rights Act has now ground to a halt, or worse.

Democrats’ Waffling on Abortion Rights Isn’t Just Wrong, It’s a Huge Political Mistake

Sanders’ and the Democrats’ shakiness on women’s reproductive freedom is a betrayal of progressive values, but it’s not just that. If Democrats wish to grow the party, going wobbly on its support of reproductive justice is counterproductive and remarkably short-sighted. Such a stance is wrong as a matter of principle and wrong as a matter of political pragmatism.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:02:24am

re: #244 Sir John Barron

This condition for Johnson can be easily met now that the bill’s language has been released. The ‘public comment’ condition is a pretty wide open door, too. Since the public comments he’s likely to take the most seriously will be those of his and his party’s base. Of course he did just get re-elected, so he could buck the party’s leadership. But I doubt he will.

McCain was just re-elected, too, so he could give his party and DJT a thumb in the eye. But I wouldn’t count on it.

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nines09  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:02:34am

re: #240 KGxvi

If you are hoping for any “moderate” or “compassionate” Republican voting no… Nope. Chirping only. All beak, no backbone. They will express concern with their mouth and vote in lockstep to gut America. To applause.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:03:32am
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garzooma  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:03:54am

re: #225 Sir John Barron

Yeah but if there was no collusion you must acquit.

There was just yesterday an op-ed in the NYT by David Brooks basically claiming this. I sent in the following letter:

Dear NYT —

Re the David Brooks column of 6/20:

When you purposefully hinder an investigation into a crime, you become a party to the crime. This is true whether or not there is explicit “collusion”. Ask Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s friends.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:05:18am

Ok, I guess it’s finally time to unplug the cable. I kept it for Premier League soccer, but that’s over.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:05:37am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:05:57am

Local news …

After the coalition of ranchers, farmers, conservationists, hunters, &c beat back the Keystone XL Pipeline in this state, they were at it again, over a proposed high-voltage transmission line that would cut right across the Sandhills.

lexch.com

(Goes to the Lexington, Nebr. Clipper-Herald)

Hundreds of protesters were in Thedford (a tiny town in the Sandhills where I once took my wife out to dinner for her birthday at a tractor repair shop but that’s another story) to oppose Nebraska Public Power District’s plan to string a transmission line across the entire length of the Nebraska Sandhills.

The residents’ concerns were the fragile environment, destruction of what little arable land there is here, certain endangered species: Sandhill cranes, whooping cranes, and endangered burying beetles (they make what arable land we have here arable). NPPD’s concern was increased capacity for windfarm energy to sell out-of-state, which flew like a lead balloon in Thedford.

The apparent goal is to put in the transmission line, then put in the windfarms along the Sandhills, construct hundreds of miles of roads and tearing up fragile habitat and the Valentine National Wildlife Refuge.

(It’s things like this, the Keystone XL fight followed by the transmission line fight which has been going on for a number of years which will depress or flip GOP voters here.) NPPD’s statement for this was “our profits are more important than your farms or ranches.” That sort of thing doesn’t play well here.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:07:32am

re: #241 Sir John Barron

At some point you have to wonder why Fox News doesn’t melt down in flames from the effect of all the lies it spews.

Proof there isn’t a god, or they would have been hit by multiple lightning strikes an hour.

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calochortus  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:08:22am

Looks like we’re well on our way to the triple digit temperatures that were predicted so I’m going to go take care of a few things before I melt into a little puddle somewhere. (Yes, we have A/C. Yes, we will use it, but we are a.) cheap, and b.) being asked to go easy on electricity use, so it will still be warm in the house.)

BBL

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Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:08:46am

re: #246 Interesting Times

I think one of the lesser-known but best people to read right now is Kathleen Geier - she was Bernie supporter but NOT a BoBer (voted for HRC to stop trump). I find she has great ideas for taking the popular Bernie positions and, rather than tying them to him personality-cult style, merging them with existing Democratic positions:

Voting Off the Apprentice President

Inequality in Black and White: The rigged economics of race in America

Democrats’ Waffling on Abortion Rights Isn’t Just Wrong, It’s a Huge Political Mistake

Item by item:
I want Trump gone and in disgrace, but only after Pence has been jettisoned.

What is going to destroy more black lives that matter, the Ferguson PD or cutting 20 million people from Medicaid?

Scream for reproductive rights/sex ed. Shut up about gun control.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:09:13am

re: #251 Barefoot Grin

I used to keep cable for the news and sports. Unfortunately, cable news has been crap for a long time now. I cut the cord 5-6 years ago. I just grabbed an over the air antenna for my occasional football game fix, and then I just use streaming services like Netflix or Amazon Prime. If there’s a sports game that I really want to watch, I’ll just go to a bar.

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freetoken  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:10:26am

re: #251 Barefoot Grin

Comcast has quite a vested interest in keeping Trump and various Republicans in power.

In no sense should we consider MSNBC a crusade for truth. You might think one or two individuals are working hard had investigative journalism - Maddow, for example - but MSNBC is part of the same company that gave Trump millions of dollars of the years so that Trump could preen his own ego and build his own brand.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:11:01am

re: #255 calochortus

Looks like we’re well on our way to the triple digit temperatures that were predicted so I’m going to go take care of a few things before I melt into a little puddle somewhere. (Yes, we have A/C. Yes, we will use it, but we are a.) cheap, and b.) being asked to go easy on electricity use, so it will still be warm in the house.)

BBL

But it’s a dry heat, right?

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alloutofcrazyhere  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:11:23am

re: #259 Barefoot Grin

So is an oven.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:12:29am

re: #251 Barefoot Grin

Ok, I guess it’s finally time to unplug the cable. I kept it for Premier League soccer, but that’s over.

The only way to end this is to keep giving views to Maddow and O’Donnell and turn it off otherwise. To do anything less will drive MSNBC further right. Watching those shows will force the station to conclude that the guy who’s in charge of programming is an idiot.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:12:29am

re: #258 freetoken

Comcast has quite a vested interest in keeping Trump and various Republicans in power.

In no sense should we consider MSNBC a crusade for truth. You might think one or two individuals are working hard had investigative journalism - Maddow, for example - but MSNBC is part of the same company that gave Trump millions of dollars of the years so that Trump could preen his own ego and build his own brand.

Comcast is basically the only player in our market (Fairpoint is a small player, but is almost as loathed by its users as Comcast). Another reason to cut as much as I can.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:13:45am

re: #255 calochortus

Looks like we’re well on our way to the triple digit temperatures that were predicted so I’m going to go take care of a few things before I melt into a little puddle somewhere. (Yes, we have A/C. Yes, we will use it, but we are a.) cheap, and b.) being asked to go easy on electricity use, so it will still be warm in the house.)

BBL

It’s 77 F here in Mythical Mountain Unicorn Time Zone at the moment … will get to the mid 80’s.

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b.d.  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:14:14am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:14:29am

re: #249 FormerDirtDart

George Soros paid goons!!!!1

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:16:04am

re: #264 b.d.

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Another Trump lie. Shocker. //

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:16:21am

Tropical Storm Cindy is now Tropical Depression Cindy, well inland along the Texas-Louisiana border. Its track has been adjusted somewhat, carrying it into south-central Kentucky as a tropical depression by evening Friday.

nhc.noaa.gov

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:16:33am

re: #251 Barefoot Grin

Hugh Hewitt to Host Show on MSNBC adweek.com

— Hadas Gold

Are you kidding me? Are they out of wingnut slots at Faux?

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freetoken  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:16:49am

It has been increasingly noticed that “television” is not what is once was.

By that we mean as a consumable.

Young people are not watching much network programming, especially news. If they do watch a “TV” program it will be very narrowly picked from particular interests and scattered all around the cable universe. And young people will want to watch on demand more so than be forced to tune in at a particular time.

VH1 is doing pretty well with the youth demographic. On any given night there will be more young people watching a single VH1 program than all of Fox News networks put together.

MSNBC is probably under pressure to appeal more to the 50+ demo to compete with Fox.

We are now long, long past the time when uncle Walter could command the national interest for a half hour at night.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:18:40am

re: #262 Barefoot Grin

Comcast is basically the only player in our market (Fairpoint is a small player, but is almost as loathed by its users as Comcast). Another reason to cut as much as I can.

I guess we’re fortunate we never had a cable company here then. No cable company to loathe.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:19:03am

re: #269 freetoken

It has been increasingly noticed that “television” is not what is once was.

By that we mean as a consumable.

Young people are not watching much network programming, especially news. If they do watch a “TV” program it will be very narrowly picked from particular interests and scattered all around the cable universe. And young people will want to watch on demand more so than be forced to tune in at a particular time.

VH1 is doing pretty well with the youth demographic. On any given night there will be more young people watching a single VH1 program than all of Fox News networks put together.

MSNBC is probably under pressure to appeal more to the 50+ demo to compete with Fox.

We are now long, long past the time when uncle Walter could command the national interest for a half hour at night.

Our Comcast is carrying a Vice newsmagazine via HBO. It’s a blog spinoff, seems to have some depth, integrity, and age-spectrum appeal.

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BeachDem  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:19:32am

re: #246 Interesting Times

I think one of the lesser-known but best people to read right now is Kathleen Geier - she was Bernie supporter but NOT a BoBer (voted for HRC to stop trump). I find she has great ideas for taking the popular Bernie positions and, rather than tying them to him personality-cult style, merging them with existing Democratic positions:

Voting Off the Apprentice President

Inequality in Black and White: The rigged economics of race in America

Democrats’ Waffling on Abortion Rights Isn’t Just Wrong, It’s a Huge Political Mistake

Reading them all now. Thanks.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:21:08am

re: #261 Belafon

The only way to end this is to keep giving views to Maddow and O’Donnell and turn it off otherwise. To do anything less will drive MSNBC further right. Watching those shows will force the station to conclude that the guy who’s in charge of programming is an idiot.

It would seem to me the huge segment of the populace that wants for actual news and not right-wing propaganda would be a market to compete for. Putting people like Megyn Kelly and Hugh Hewitt on are competing for the shrinking demographic FOX has. I’m not much of a businessperson but that just doesn’t seem like a sensible business strategy to me.

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KingKenrod  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:21:10am

re: #228 FormerDirtDart

I don’t buy this for a second.

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They will do what the House did - in few days, they will throw a few billions dollars at it and pretend it’s fixed.

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freetoken  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:22:03am

re: #271 Decatur Deb

Our Comcast is carrying a Vice newsmagazine via HBO. It’s a blog spinoff, seems to have some depth, integrity, and age-spectrum appeal.

The for-pay services are more quality oriented, I think, versus those which are completely advertiser sponsored.

Which raises a quandary about the future: will quality news only be available to those who can afford it?

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[deleted]  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:22:31am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:22:51am

re: #272 BeachDem

Reading them all now. Thanks.

One of the reasons why Perriello appealed to me ehre in VA, BD was that he took a lot of the populism that Sanders espouses but also added committment to immigrants, racial minorities, women, and LGBT people whereas Bernie would tell those groups that they have to to stop playing identity politics. He lost unfortunately in teh end but I think it’s the right idea.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:23:45am

To give all an idea of what crashed.
It’s not some souped-up model airplane.

RQ-4 Global Hawk
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:23:48am
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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:24:45am

re: #269 freetoken

It has been increasingly noticed that “television” is not what is once was.

By that we mean as a consumable.

Young people are not watching much network programming, especially news. If they do watch a “TV” program it will be very narrowly picked from particular interests and scattered all around the cable universe. And young people will want to watch on demand more so than be forced to tune in at a particular time.

VH1 is doing pretty well with the youth demographic. On any given night there will be more young people watching a single VH1 program than all of Fox News networks put together.

MSNBC is probably under pressure to appeal more to the 50+ demo to compete with Fox.

We are now long, long past the time when uncle Walter could command the national interest for a half hour at night.

We’ve said the same thing about newspapers, and yet, it’s been the fact that people started subscribing to the Washington Post that has allowed them to keep digging.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:25:50am

re: #276 Prece

Love reading this.I blog at mymobilespecs.com

This newbie’s link goes to someplace that is blocked as malware by our firewall.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:26:19am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:26:20am

hmmm…Nigeria visiting?

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:26:52am

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

That is a huge win.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:27:03am

re: #281 The Vicious Babushka

This newbie’s link goes to someplace that is blocked as malware by our firewall.

Nigeria

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:27:29am

re: #272 BeachDem

Reading them all now. Thanks.

From the last article:

… but also supported the anti-choice Omaha mayoral candidate Heath Mello (who lost).

And again misrepresenting Heath Mello’s actual position. Uber leftie sites like In These Times did a fantastic job depressing Omaha’s Democratic vote though, while Scott Walker was in Omaha plumping for Jean Stothert (who wants Planned Parenthood out of Omaha). The Omaha mayor’s office is a stepping stone to the Governor’s office.

Was Mello the ideal candidate? No. Stothert’s a disaster, and Mello caught more crap from the left than he did from the right, in a city that went for Obama in 2008 (and thus clocked an Electoral vote for the Dems).

I’ve been over Mello’s actual position and legislation here versus what some on the left claimed his legislation was so I won’t go over that again.

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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:27:58am

re: #273 Anymouse 🌹

It would seem to me the huge segment of the populace that wants for actual news and not right-wing propaganda would be a market to compete for. Putting people like Megyn Kelly and Hugh Hewitt on are competing for the shrinking demographic FOX has. I’m not much of a businessperson but that just doesn’t seem like a sensible business strategy to me.

The problem is, television isn’t really a great medium for communicating the news. Not in any serious, in depth way. If you want actual news, you need to go with print (be it digital or dead tree), because that’s where actual explanations of events and analysis of said events actually happens. Television (and radio, for that matter) isn’t going to give you a measured discussion of events - at least not for any sustained period of time.

I’ll also add that podcasts seem to be in a better position than television or radio because they aren’t confined by format (length, advertising requirements, bothsiderism).

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BeachDem  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:28:06am

re: #251 Barefoot Grin

Ok, I guess it’s finally time to unplug the cable. I kept it for Premier League soccer, but that’s over.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:29:43am

re: #288 BeachDem

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At least Schmidt and Wallace are not afraid to bash Herr Trump and the GOP. The rest of sycophants.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:29:45am

re: #276 Prece

Love reading this.I blog at mymobilespecs.com

Downding for spam.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:30:40am

Lather.Rinse.Repeat

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:31:36am

spammer is now posting in dead threads
littlegreenfootballs.com

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Dr. Matt  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:33:17am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:33:21am

re: #287 KGxvi

The problem is, television isn’t really a great medium for communicating the news. Not in any serious, in depth way. If you want actual news, you need to go with print (be it digital or dead tree), because that’s where actual explanations of events and analysis of said events actually happens. Television (and radio, for that matter) isn’t going to give you a measured discussion of events - at least not for any sustained period of time.

I’ll also add that podcasts seem to be in a better position than television or radio because they aren’t confined by format (length, advertising requirements, bothsiderism).

John Oliver with comedy, Rachel Maddow with analysis, &c seem to do okay. There’s a reason Dr. Maddow is on top of cable programming right now: There is a crowd that wants in-depth analysis of news items. She provides it.

When John Oliver did his long segment on Net Neutrality, the FCC was flooded with tens of millions of comments, forcing the FCC to table the idea of getting rid of it. They do have impact. MSNBC needs more people like Maddow and fewer like Kelly.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:35:42am

re: #293 Dr. Matt

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On a side note, an interesting sixty-one star flag. Does that include Mexico’s states?

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darthstar  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:38:20am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:39:57am

Devin Nunes now claiming the media made up his statement he recused himself from the Russia investigation.

washingtonexaminer.com

A handful of journalists were left scratching their heads Monday after Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., claimed he never recused himself from the House’s investigation of Russia’s alleged meddling in the 2016 election.

“I never recused myself,” the House Intelligence Committee chairman reportedly said in an interview with KMJ’s Ray Appleton. “This was essentially made up by the media.”

Nunes announced on April 6 that he’d step away from the House’s investigation of the Russia issue, meaning a fair number of reporters were justifiably confused by his interview remarks.

However, the line that the congressman never technically recused himself isn’t new.

(more at the Examiner with comparisons of what he said then and what he’s saying now)

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sagehen  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:40:39am

re: #295 Anymouse 🌹

On a side note, an interesting sixty-one star flag. Does that include Mexico’s states?

Ten Canadian provinces; Puerto Rico.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:41:01am

re: #295 Anymouse 🌹

On a side note, an interesting sixty-one star flag. Does that include Mexico’s states?

Ha. Good eye. I stole it from FB. Not sure who created it.

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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:41:11am

re: #294 Anymouse 🌹

John Oliver with comedy, Rachel Maddow with analysis, &c seem to do okay. There’s a reason Dr. Maddow is on top of cable programming right now: There is a crowd that wants in-depth analysis of news items. She provides it.

When John Oliver did his long segment on Net Neutrality, the FCC was flooded with tens of millions of comments, forcing the FCC to table the idea of getting rid of it. They do have impact. MSNBC needs more people like Maddow and fewer like Kelly.

I didn’t mean to imply that it was impossible. But I think Oliver and Maddow are outliers to a large extent. Oliver’s format is akin to a podcast - he rarely has guests and almost always does a deep dive on a single issue. I haven’t watched much of Maddow lately, but when I did watch/listen, she always seemed to be very different than anything else on cable news. It is possible, but I’m not sure it’s likely to happen.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:41:42am

Let us hope they don’t switch.

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scottslemmons  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:42:29am

Republicans are fucking morons. Some goddamn shithead shoots at them, and they react by trying to make it even easier to get guns. Then they start pushing this thing that’ll kill their constituents, and they don’t even stop to think that they’ll have to wear brown pants to every campaign event, public appearance, and town hall meeting for the rest of their careers?

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Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:43:01am

re: #301 Dr. Matt

Let us hope they don’t switch.

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They’re against this version of the bill, which means the leadership will amend items into the bill so that at least one of them will suddenly be less “troubled” by it and decide to vote for it. Sorry, but anybody who buys this kabuki theater after 30+ years of Republican politics needs to have their head checked.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:45:40am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:46:47am

Coal-mining magnate Robert Murray sues John Oliver for “character assassination” after Oliver did a segment on coal mine safety. He predicted Murray would sue him.

thedailybeast.com

The suit, filed on June 21 in the circuit court of Marshall County, West Virginia, holds that Oliver and his team “executed a meticulously planned attempt to assassinate the character of and reputation of Mr. Robert E. Murray and his companies” by airing an episode that ripped into him. Murray runs the country’s largest privately owned coal company, Murray Energy Corporation.

“They did this to a man who needs a lung transplant, a man who does not expect to live to see the end of this case,” reads the complaint, which also lists Murray’s companies as plaintiffs.

The lawsuit isn’t a surprise to Oliver. In fact, the British comic said on the episode of his show that aired on June 18 that he expected it, noting that Murray has sued several other media outlets in the past (including, in May, the New York Times). In the episode, Oliver criticized Murray’s business practices, saying he doesn’t do enough to protect his miners’ safety. Oliver also noted that his team contacted Murray’s company before the episode aired, and that the company sent a cease-and-desist letter—the first time that had ever happened to his show.

(more at Daily Beast)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:51:58am
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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:52:22am

re: #305 Anymouse 🌹

Coal-mining magnate Robert Murray sues John Oliver for “character assassination” after Oliver did a segment on coal mine safety. He predicted Murray would sue him.

thedailybeast.com

(more at Daily Beast)

I watched the episode the other day. Murray is at least a quasi-public person with respect to the coal industry (he’s appeared on television multiple times to speak about issues); which means he’s going to have to reach the standard of actual malice to win. That means he has to prove that Oliver knew (or should have known) something he said was false and still went ahead with reckless disregard for the truth. There was nothing I saw that gets to that level. Almost everything Oliver said was backed up by actual public statements by Murray.

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sagehen  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:52:43am

re: #305 Anymouse 🌹

Coal-mining magnate Robert Murray sues John Oliver for “character assassination” after Oliver did a segment on coal mine safety. He predicted Murray would sue him.

thedailybeast.com

(more at Daily Beast)

As in any libel/slander suit, truth is a defense.

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Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:52:46am

And anybody who’s holding out the hope that efforts to win over “moderates” will piss off conservatives, bear this in mind: This is a separate Senate bill and not the Senate voting on the House bill, which means a conference committee to reconcile the bills. Whatever conservatives lose in the Senate bill, they expect to win back in negotiations with their even more loony House counterparts. So Sen. Yertle’s gonna promise all sorts of things to get this bill passed, knowing that guys like Cruz and Rand are expecting to win big when it comes time to hammer out a unified bill.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:53:17am

re: #307 KGxvi

I watched the episode the other day. Murray is at least a quasi-public person with respect to the coal industry (he’s appeared on television multiple times to speak about issues); which means he’s going to have to reach the standard of actual malice to win. That means he has to prove that Oliver knew (or should have known) something he said was false and still went ahead with reckless disregard for the truth. There was nothing I saw that gets to that level. Almost everything Oliver said was backed up by actual public statements by Murray.

I guess it’s too much to hope for a West Virginia court to slap Murray with court costs, lawyers fees, and a civil penalty?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:53:44am
The single biggest tax cut of the bunch applies exclusively to individuals earning more than $200,000 a year or married couples with combined incomes of more than $250,000. It’s a 3.8 percent tax on net investment income (basically capital gains or dividends) that applies only if your total income is over those threshold points.

But not only does the bill repeal that tax, it repeals it retroactively, to give rich families a tax break on investment income accrued earlier this year as well as investment income going forward. …

The key thing here is that there’s absolutely no reason to think a retroactive tax cut will boost job creation and growth. You’re essentially increasing people’s incentives to travel back in time and create jobs earlier in the year. Or, rather, you’re not increasing anyone’s incentive to do anything. You’re just shoveling money into the pockets of the least needy families in the country.

vox.com

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darthstar  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:55:05am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:55:11am

re: #307 KGxvi

I watched the episode the other day. Murray is at least a quasi-public person with respect to the coal industry (he’s appeared on television multiple times to speak about issues); which means he’s going to have to reach the standard of actual malice to win. That means he has to prove that Oliver knew (or should have known) something he said was false and still went ahead with reckless disregard for the truth. There was nothing I saw that gets to that level. Almost everything Oliver said was backed up by actual public statements by Murray.

Yup. Like the New York Times, Murray is trying to use his money and lawyers (and his lung condition) to intimidate John Oliver. I doubt it will work.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:56:10am
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ericblair  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:56:15am

re: #278 FormerDirtDart

To give all an idea of what crashed.
It’s not some souped-up model airplane.

If it’s a Global Hawk, that thing costs a pile of money (multiple tens of millions).

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darthstar  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:56:58am

re: #314 Dr. Matt

They just need to figure out how far to the right to move the decimal.

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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:57:13am

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

Interesting break down on that decision. Kagan wrote the majority opinion (Roberts, Kennedy, Ginsberg, Breyer, and Sotomayor joined). Gorsuch (joined by Thomas) concurred in part and in the judgment - basically he think the majority went too far in creating a new test. Alito concurred in the judgment but filed a separate opinion, which I cannot for the life of me figure out the point of.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:57:21am

And here we go….more bullshit from the Asshole in Chief

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Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:58:17am

re: #318 Dr. Matt

And here we go….more bullshit from the Asshole in Chief

[Embedded content]

What happened, did Cohen finally put a gun to his head?

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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:59:04am

re: #310 Timothy Watson

I guess it’s too much to hope for a West Virginia court to slap Murray with court costs, lawyers fees, and a civil penalty?

Oliver can probably remove it to federal court based on diversity jurisdiction. But I don’t know if West Virginia has something similar to the California anti-SLAPP statute that would allow an award of attorney fees.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:00:37am

re: #315 ericblair

If it’s a Global Hawk, that thing costs a pile of money (multiple tens of millions).

Something like $130 million (unit production cost) each. So, more than an “over priced”, “way to expensive” F-35 fighter.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:01:34am

re: #318 Dr. Matt

And here we go….more bullshit from the Asshole in Chief

Also yous people take my tweets too seriously literally I was just joking when I told Comey to watch out for my tape recordings FAKE NEWS! Did you see my yuuuge rally last night? Record numbers.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:01:47am

re: #318 Dr. Matt

And here we go….more bullshit from the Asshole in Chief

So, Donny admits he was trying to intimidate Comey.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:02:01am
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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:02:42am

re: #318 Dr. Matt

And here we go….more bullshit from the Asshole in Chief

[Embedded content]

I feel like it’s important to point out that Trump is essentially admitting that he tried to intimidate a witness. Comey was both a witness before Congress in its oversight capacity and in an ongoing FBI criminal investigation. That’s more proof of obstruction of justice.

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Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:02:56am

I wonder if his lawyers finally made clear to Trump just how deep the shit he’s in really is…nah, he’s probably just convinced he can bullshit his way out of yet another jam.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:03:05am

I heard on NPR this morning that the number of “white” people dying outpaced the number of births for the first time last year. I fully expect the #whitgenocide wackos to be out in force today.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:04:03am

re: #323 Belafon

So, Donny admits he was trying to intimidate Comey.

No. I mean yeah. I mean so what? No. No crime. No collusion. Everyone says so! I’m being investigated for firing my own FBI director which I can. Although I’m not being investigated because I’ve been cleared.

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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:04:18am

re: #326 Targetpractice

I wonder if his lawyers finally made clear to Trump just how deep the shit he’s in really is…nah, he’s probably just convinced he can bullshit his way out of yet another jam.

My guess is they tried. And then they saw this tweet and told the bartender “just leave the bottle.”

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:06:27am

re: #325 KGxvi

I feel like it’s important to point out that Trump is essentially admitting that he tried to intimidate a witness. Comey was both a witness before Congress in its oversight capacity and in an ongoing FBI criminal investigation. That’s more proof of obstruction of justice.

Dershowitz: Actually, the POTUS is allowed to warn witnesses, it’s not intimidation. Not really.

Gingrich: By definition, the POTUS cannot intimidate witnesses since he can’t be indicted or impeached or held criminally liable for anything.

Hannity: The lefty press, George Soros and Deep State are trying to sabotage our president.

McCain: I’m very concerned about all this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:07:04am
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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:07:39am

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

PROLIFE!

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:08:00am

re: #330 Sir John Barron

Dershowitz: Actually, the POTUS is allowed to warn witnesses, it’s not intimidation. Not really.

Gingrich: By definition, the POTUS cannot intimidate witnesses since he can’t be indicted or impeached or held criminally liable for anything. Even though I said Clinton could be held liable for anything he did, while I was doing the same thing.

Hannity: The lefty press, George Soros and Deep State are trying to sabotage our president.

McCain: I’m very concerned about all this.

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Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:08:29am

re: #330 Sir John Barron

Dershowitz: Actually, the POTUS is allowed to warn witnesses, it’s not intimidation. Not really.

Gingrich: By definition, the POTUS cannot intimidate witnesses since he can’t be indicted or impeached or held criminally liable for anything.

Hannity: The lefty press, George Soros and Deep State are trying to sabotage our president.

McCain: I’m very concerned about all this.

Jones: *incoherent babbling that makes the homeless guy on the corner seem rational*

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:10:19am

There will be insurance for everybody.
Everyone will have access to health insurance.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:11:26am

re: #325 KGxvi

I feel like it’s important to point out that Trump is essentially admitting that he tried to intimidate a witness. Comey was both a witness before Congress in its oversight capacity and in an ongoing FBI criminal investigation. That’s more proof of obstruction of justice.

Exactly but this is just the greatest witch hunt in history, just ask him. //

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:11:55am

re: #307 KGxvi

I watched the episode the other day. Murray is at least a quasi-public person with respect to the coal industry (he’s appeared on television multiple times to speak about issues); which means he’s going to have to reach the standard of actual malice to win. That means he has to prove that Oliver knew (or should have known) something he said was false and still went ahead with reckless disregard for the truth. There was nothing I saw that gets to that level. Almost everything Oliver said was backed up by actual public statements by Murray.

Well, Oliver did make the knowingly false claim that Murray said a giant squirrel spoke to him.

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sagehen  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:12:44am

re: #310 Timothy Watson

The last time a WV court ruled against Murray, he spend $20 million supporting that court’s opponents the next time there were judges on the ballot. He got a new court, that reversed the decision.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:13:01am

re: #302 scottslemmons

Republicans are fucking morons. Some goddamn shithead shoots at them, and they react by trying to make it even easier to get guns. Then they start pushing this thing that’ll kill their constituents, and they don’t even stop to think that they’ll have to wear brown pants to every campaign event, public appearance, and town hall meeting for the rest of their careers?

Their voters will continue support them. And they won’t hold open town hall meetings. They’ve gotten away with this for years

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:13:24am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:14:16am

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

Take a bow, A Jones.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:14:17am

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Got off light IMO. He could have killed someone. From what I understand, he’s genuinely contrite but you know what, he still put people in danger because he fell for a bullshit conspriacy theory.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:14:47am

re: #341 Sir John Barron

Take a bow, A Jones.

To me, Alex is worse than the actual shooter because he spread this crap even though he knew it was false and he knew something bad would happen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:14:52am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:15:04am

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

Erick son of Erick: If the ISIS Left is going to be violent all the time we should secede.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:15:18am

Police Forcibly Remove Healthcare Protesters from Outside Mitch McConnell’s Office
huffingtonpost.com

Allegedly, someone was injured and Capitol staff had to clean up blood from the floor.

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sagehen  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:15:56am

re: #337 The Vicious Babushka

Well, Oliver did make the knowingly false claim that Murray said a giant squirrel spoke to him.

Not at all. Oliver truthfully reported that Murray *says* this… then adds that he thinks Murray was lying about it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:16:10am

re: #343 HappyWarrior

To me, Alex is worse than the actual shooter because he spread this crap even though he knew it was false and he knew something bad would happen.

Agitprop. Stochastic terrorism. (Unfortunately protected I Amendment speech.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:16:29am

re: #346 Anymouse 🌹

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:17:03am

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Those damn intolerant college lefties and their hate of free peach. // Oh wait.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:17:24am

re: #341 Sir John Barron

Take a bow, A Jones.

Maybe Alex can send him cigarette money.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:18:12am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:19:24am

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

This isn’t normal.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:20:03am

re: #346 Anymouse 🌹

Police Forcibly Remove Healthcare Protesters from Outside Mitch McConnell’s Office
huffingtonpost.com

Allegedly, someone was injured and Capitol staff had to clean up blood from the floor.

Erickson: The radical ISIS Left has blood on their hands.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:20:56am

re: #330 Sir John Barron

Dershowitz: Actually, the POTUS is allowed to warn witnesses, it’s not intimidation. Not really.

Translation: Oh god, I hope Trump doesn’t have video of all the shit I did with Jeffrey Epstein!!!!

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:21:21am

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

WH press office says no cameras or audio for broadcast at today’s WH briefing. But can still quote @SHSanders45 by name.

— Mark Knoller

Actually, WH press office says no cell phones, tablets, pens or pencils allowed either.

/

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Franklin  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:22:01am

I think the plan has to be more than just “don’t attend” the pressers. If CBS/NBC/ABC/CNN/WSJ/NYT/etc/etc/etc do not attend, no one except the die hards will notice.

1) All the Fox News/Breitbart/etc/etc “journalists” will be in attendance and report.
2) All the credible outlets will still report (it is news).

If they choose not to attend en masse then they need to editorialize their front covers and news broadcasts to let the public know why. THEN get to the news.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:22:04am

re: #353 HappyWarrior

This isn’t normal.

What the press ought to be doing (in my opinion):

Fine. No coverage. We’ll just go do the “investigative” part of investigative journalism.

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Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:22:28am

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

They’re still attending because the Church of Bothsiderism demands they treat this administration as though it’s no different from any past administration.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:23:24am

re: #357 Franklin

I think the plan has to be more than just “don’t attend” the pressers. If CBS/NBC/ABC/CNN/WSJ/NYT/etc/etc/etc do not attend, no one except the die hards will notice.

1) All the Fox News/Breitbart/etc/etc “journalists” will be in attendance and report.
2) All the credible outlets will still report (it is news).

If they choose not to attend en masse then they need to editorialize their front covers and news broadcasts to let the public know why. THEN get to the news.

Yep. This needs to be made into a scandal.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:23:28am

re: #337 The Vicious Babushka

Well, Oliver did make the knowingly false claim that Murray said a giant squirrel spoke to him.

I just watched it. It was a “squirrel” not a “giant squirrel”
And he was stating what Murray’s employees had stated.
And, he reported that the Murray Energy spokespersons stated “it wasn’t true”. And, that he, Oliver, believed them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:24:23am

re: #359 Targetpractice

They’re still attending because the Church of Bothsiderism demands they treat this administration as though it’s no different from any past administration.

At least my conservative regional newspaper is honestly conservative. They don’t pretend to play both sides (as I’ve noted here, in the “letters” column they seem to have a quota of one liberal letter a month, just to let everyone know round here there are liberals.)

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covfefe  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:24:48am

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

How did Gorsuch vote?

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:25:00am
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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:25:52am

So Hugh Hewitt gets a half-hour at 8:00 AM on Saturday mornings on MSNBC.

Well, I can’t speak for anyone else, but I don’t think that is anything to worry about. I doubt he gets much in ratings and I bet he fails at it. It seems more like paying off a favor than some kind of a sign that MSNBC is going further right.

They do seem to be trying to have shows for everyone, and like Belafon pointed out…write them and say you like the evening shows and watch what you like. They are doing better than they have in some time so a little positive reinforcement might keep the evening going as is and maybe the Gretas and Hughs get shoved out.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:26:09am

re: #363 covfefe

See #317.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:27:18am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:28:27am

Brazilian Activewear Company Cited for Photo in Restricted Colorado Lake
starherald.com

GLENWOOD SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) — A Brazilian activewear company has been cited after a photographer waded in western Colorado’s Hanging Lake to take photos of models posing on a log that stretches across the fragile body of water.

The Glenwood Springs Post Independent reported Wednesday that the U.S. Forest Service served Liquido Active with three citations. The company received intense backlash on social media after it posted the photo on Instagram on June 14.

Visitors aren’t allowed to walk on the log and are barred from getting in the water because it endangers the travertine formations that give the designated National Landmark its turquoise color.

Liquido Active has apologized, and Forest Service Ranger Aaron Mayville says the company is taking part in a “strategy for public awareness and stewardship.”

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Amory Blaine  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:28:32am

Glad to hear he has a lung condition. I hope it’s fucking painful til the end of his days.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:28:36am

re: #313 Anymouse 🌹

Yup. Like the New York Times, Murray is trying to use his money and lawyers (and his lung condition) to intimidate John Oliver. I doubt it will work.

When Trump is through remaking the courts, the only people with free speech will be RW billionaires and Alex Jones.

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RinaX  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:28:53am

I just have to comment on the idiocy of blaming Nancy Pelosi for the loss in Georgia and wanting her removed because she’s such a target. Haven’t these dumb fuckers learned yet that it doesn’t matter who you put in a leadership position for the Dems, the right will turn them into the worst liberal demon of all time? Until the next leader is appointed.

That says that they are still laboring under the delusion that those voters WANT to be reached. These are people who have cut themselves off from any news source that they consider too liberal (which is pretty much all of them), so they do not and will not listen to anything that counteracts the point of view that they happily embrace.

It’s the voters. They are voting for what they want. People keep thinking that they aren’t, but they really and truly are. Jesus Christ, let those dumb shits go and do the hard work of convincing lazy voters who don’t give a shit why they should. That’s still pretty difficult, but it still gives us a much better chance of success.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:34:55am

re: #367 Dr. Matt

Dr. Matt @DrMatthew
From Day 1, the media labeled the ACA as #ObamaCare. Librul media my ass…..
12:26 PM - 22 Jun 2017

To be fair, it’s the R’s who labelled the ACA as ObamaCare. So the D’s need to label this as TrumpCare and use that term in every interview. Or as I call it, TrumpDontCare

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:41:12am

re: #361 FormerDirtDart

I just watched it. It was a “squirrel” not a “giant squirrel”
And he was stating what Murray’s employees had stated.
And, he reported that the Murray Energy spokespersons stated “it wasn’t true”. And, that he, Oliver, believed them.

Yes but then Oliver had the giant squirrel give his side of the story.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:10:49am

AF confirms that it was a Global Hawk that crashed in California this morning.
Air Force drone crashes in remote area near Mt. Whitney

A U.S. Air Force drone the size of a small airliner has crashed in a remote section of California near Mt. Whitney.

Edwards Air Force Base said in a statement that the RQ-4 Global Hawk, an unmanned surveillance aircraft, was making a routine trip Wednesday afternoon from Edwards to its usual home at Beale Air Force Base when it crashed for unknown reasons.

It was spying on the Bundy ranch, was damaged by a Patrito sniper with a tricked out AR-15, and crashed before it could regain its secret base in the crater atop Mount Whitney.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:12:01am

re: #257 alloutofcrazyhere

I used to keep cable for the news and sports. Unfortunately, cable news has been crap for a long time now. I cut the cord 5-6 years ago. I just grabbed an over the air antenna for my occasional football game fix, and then I just use streaming services like Netflix or Amazon Prime. If there’s a sports game that I really want to watch, I’ll just go to a bar.

I dumped the cable box when Al Jazerrra America was shut down. I replaced it with an Apple TV and I will listen to BSRNC on SiriusXM. Apple TV includes Sky which I’m hoping Screwpert Murdoch won’t get his hands on.


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