Senate Finally Unveils Their Vicious, Heartless Trumpcare Plan

And it’s every bit as bad as you thought it would be
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The Senate has finally released their draconian, heartless, vicious “health care” plan after concealing everything from the public and Democrats and refusing to hold hearings about it — and it’s every bit as awful as their weaselish behavior would lead you to think.

Greg Sargent sums it up pretty well at the Washington Post: Here comes the Senate GOP’s health bill. It’s a cruel and cynical shell game.

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137 comments

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RinaX  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:35:46am

From the last thread:

I just have to comment on the idiocy of blaming Nancy Pelosi for the loss in Georgia and wanting her removed because she’s such a target. Haven’t these dumb fuckers learned yet that it doesn’t matter who you put in a leadership position for the Dems, the right will turn them into the worst liberal demon of all time? Until the next leader is appointed.

That says that they are still laboring under the delusion that those voters WANT to be reached. These are people who have cut themselves off from any news source that they consider too liberal (which is pretty much all of them), so they do not and will not listen to anything that counteracts the point of view that they happily embrace.

It’s the voters. They are voting for what they want. People keep thinking that they aren’t, but they really and truly are. Jesus Christ, let those dumb shits go and do the hard work of convincing lazy voters who don’t give a shit why they should. That’s still pretty difficult, but it still gives us a much better chance of success.

And to add to my original post, understand that the Republicans learned something from the previous AHCA defeat. They learned that they can’t let it happen again. So this willful push of this horrible legislation is the bone-deep unwillingness of Republicans to ever admit defeat to any idea even remotely Democratic (ie, sane).

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b.d.  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:36:22am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:39:30am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:40:45am
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Myron Falwell  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:41:34am

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Avik” translated into proper English means “fuck you all, I’m a Republican, and you’re not.”

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:41:46am

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

Democratic Party List of Policy Achievements:
1. Social Security
2. Medicare
3. Aid to Education
4. Medicaid and ACA

Conservatives
1. Killing the ACA

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jaunte  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:41:49am

Scumbags

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darthstar  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:42:34am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:42:46am

re: #7 jaunte

Scumbags

Leave No Health Insurance Executive Behind.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:43:24am

re: #1 RinaX

Any dems calling for her ouster need to be drummed out of the party. They are too stupid or too corrupted to realize they’re parroting and furthering right wing causes and are no allies to liberals. GTFO!!!!

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Franklin  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:43:33am

re: #7 jaunte

Not only ends it, but goes into effect for this year.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:44:01am

re: #8 darthstar

Blah blah blah DEEP STATE blah blah blah POTUS can fire whoever he wants can say whatever he wants blah blah blah POTUS can’t be held liable for anything blah blah blah what about Comey and Lynch?

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darthstar  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:44:19am

re: #9 Sir John Barron

Leave No Health Insurance Executive Behind.

The hubris of the GOP is something to behold. There’s nothing they won’t try.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:44:34am

re: #8 darthstar

The shocks will only get more shocking.

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jaunte  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:45:38am
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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:47:54am
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Amory Blaine  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:48:11am

At this point what I need is another story about the misunderstood Trump voter.

*Puke

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calochortus  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:48:58am

re: #8 darthstar

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Who ever believed Trump had tapes of Comey?

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Timothy Watson  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:49:37am

re: #18 calochortus

Who ever believed Trump had tapes of Comey?

I do now that Trump has denied having them.

/ (half)

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Amory Blaine  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:49:48am

The president lies right to our fucking faces every day.

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plansbandc  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:50:28am

If this passes, and I have little doubt it will, my husband and I will not be able to afford our medications or health insurance. As we both have serious pre-existing conditions, it is a death sentence. Period.

There is no sugarcoating it. There is no hope.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:51:18am

I’m on Medicare. We will be cut off next. Then Social Security.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:51:35am

re: #20 Amory Blaine

The president lies right to our fucking faces every day.

It’s a game to him. Say something, watch the fall-out. The press & social media react.
He has no idea or cares regarding the real people and their lives behind all the reaction.

Honestly, he is like a little kid or a dog. When you stop reacting to their tantrums, the trantrums stop.

Media won’t stop —there is $$ to be made. He is probably in cohoots with his super wealthy media mogul friends.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:52:41am

re: #22 The Vicious Babushka

I’m on Medicare. We will be cut off next. Then Social Security.

but will they then stop collecting your money for such things?

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Amory Blaine  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:53:01am

I think Trump knows exactly what he’s doing. He holds us all in contempt. He fucking hates you!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:53:17am

Is The Guardian becoming the Daily Mail?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:53:40am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:54:14am

re: #24 Birth Control Works

but will they then stop collecting your money for such things?

Of course not. That money will go directly into the offshore bank accounts of Trump and his cronies.

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plansbandc  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:55:11am

re: #25 Amory Blaine

He absolute does fucking hate us. It blows my mind that we have a leader who hates us.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:56:08am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:56:20am
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jaunte  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:58:05am

Trump’s supporters are shitty humans.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:58:28am

re: #29 plansbandc

It’s not just Trump that hates us, it’s the entire cabal of assholes who call themselves some brand of “conservative”. At least there can no longer be a shred of doubt as to where we stand now. Fuck these people.

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RinaX  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:58:35am

My niece and nephew rely on Medicaid for health insurance. One has severe allergies, the other severe asthma. Right now my niece gets her two Epipens and various medications covered, as does my nephew. It looks like my FSA may have to start going towards paying those expenses instead of useless things like my glasses and my own medication. Christ.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:59:31am

This “Michael Seaborne” (who now goes by the handle “Keith Palmerson” is just another neo-nazi deplorable shitposter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:00:11am
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MsJ  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:00:36am

re: #32 jaunte

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Trump’s supporters are shitty humans.

Deplorable, even.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:00:47am
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RinaX  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:02:17am

re: #38 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fuck Rand Paul. They’ll give him some bullshit consolation papering over of some meaningless portion of the bill, and he’ll vote with the rest of his cabal.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:02:24am

re: #38 Backwoods_Sleuth

How many do we need to set this mess on fire and let it die the death it deserves?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:02:30am

re: #38 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Amory Blaine  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:02:46am

The world needs to see disabled people being pulled out of their wheelchair and physically removed from taxpayer property for having the audacity to protest cuts that will likely kill them. They need to see we are not good people to be trusted anymore.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:02:55am

re: #38 Backwoods_Sleuth

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calochortus  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:03:12am

re: #19 Timothy Watson

I do now that Trump has denied having them.

/ (half)

Well, there is that…

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jaunte  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:03:32am

Insurers to Senate: Proposal could harm 74M on Medicaid

The managed care executives called this “an enormous cost shift to states” that will require them to raise taxes, cut benefits, narrow eligibility or lower reimbursements to health-care providers.

“There are no hidden efficiencies that states can use to address gaps of this magnitude without harming beneficiaries or imposing undue burden to our health care system and all U.S. taxpayers,” the executives wrote.

washingtonpost.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:03:38am

re: #39 RinaX

Fuck Rand Paul. They’ll give him some bullshit consolation papering over of some meaningless portion of the bill, and he’ll vote with the rest of his cabal.

Rand Paul will vote for nothing less than a complete repeal.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:03:55am

Creationists are making law that will allow natural selection to occur.

Seriously, isn’t this the inevitable result. Those that can survive —whether from good genes- or good financial advisors, will.

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jaunte  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:04:13am

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:04:15am
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Franklin  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:04:49am

re: #40 A Mom Anon

How many do we need to set this mess on fire and let it die the death it deserves?

Three if no Democratic defections.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:05:11am
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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:05:43am

re: #38 Backwoods_Sleuth

This Senate bill is not shitty enough for Rand Paul. Christ on a crutch.

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RinaX  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:06:28am

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rand Paul will vote for nothing less than a complete repeal.

You’re right, he possibly won’t vote for it because it simply isn’t awful enough.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:06:50am

Where is Robespierre now that we need him?

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Bubblehead II  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:07:26am
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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:07:59am

A little nature break:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:08:01am
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Timothy Watson  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:08:20am

re: #55 Bubblehead II

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“new and renewed ways”? Is Trump writing Pence’s press releases now?

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:08:42am

...

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allegro  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:09:20am

Seems to me that any Senator or Congresscritter who votes for this could/should be criminally liable for negligent homicide since they are actively and deliberately enacting this with the full knowledge that it will directly result in many thousands of American deaths.

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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:09:36am

So, four defectors because the bill doesn’t go far enough. Presumably, another 3-5 because it goes too far.

I really think my read earlier was right: McConnell wants to bring this to the floor so it loses and he can say the issues is over, the ACA is the law of the land, and we’re just going to have to live with that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:09:48am
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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:10:27am

You know the irony is that the inner city/black community will be fine. This is nothing new to a group of people so recently denied (legally) franchise. It’s the rural whites that will be screwed. They are the entitlement community.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:12:05am

re: #63 Birth Control Works

You know the irony is that the inner city/black community will be fine. This is nothing new to a group of people so recently denied (legally) franchise. It’s the rural whites that will be screwed. They are the entitlement community.

But they will vote R anyway. Abortion and racism trump economic well being and actual physical survival.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:12:19am

re: #55 Bubblehead II

This President has rebuilt America’s standing in the world and forged even stronger ties with our allies and our friends. pic.twitter.com

— Vice President Pence

WTFITS?

We’ve told “our friends” to go eff off. We’ve buddied up to Saudi Arabia.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:13:23am

The couple hundred most people may annually into medicare and social security will not be invested. And the annual cost does not begin to cover what those in need collect.

If these funds are channeled into the private sector —commissions will be collected. Less money in the “insurance pool”.

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RinaX  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:13:44am

re: #63 Birth Control Works

You know the irony is that the inner city/black community will be fine. This is nothing new to a group of people so recently denied (legally) franchise. It’s the rural whites that will be screwed. They are the entitlement community.

True, but that was because of these programs. Between this and what they’re trying to do with the housing situation, I don’t know if a lot the working black families I know who are barely getting by WITH these benefits will come out of it so well.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:15:09am

No abortion but also no pre-natal or labor & delivery care?
This is not “pro-life”

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:15:47am

(promoted from dead thread)
AF confirms that it was a Global Hawk that crashed in California this morning.
Air Force drone crashes in remote area near Mt. Whitney

A U.S. Air Force drone the size of a small airliner has crashed in a remote section of California near Mt. Whitney.

Edwards Air Force Base said in a statement that the RQ-4 Global Hawk, an unmanned surveillance aircraft, was making a routine trip Wednesday afternoon from Edwards to its usual home at Beale Air Force Base when it crashed for unknown reasons.

It was spying on the Bundy ranch, was damaged by a Patrito sniper with a tricked out AR-15, and crashed before it could regain its secret base in the crater atop Mount Whitney.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:17:11am

re: #67 RinaX

True, but that was because of these programs. Between this and what they’re trying to do with the housing situation, I don’t know if a lot the working black families I know who are barely getting by WITH these benefits will come out of it so well.

They can and will band together —thru community and church. Like I said, this is nothing new to this group of Americans.

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jaunte  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:17:40am
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calochortus  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:18:23am

re: #72 jaunte

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Always pertinent.

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mmmirele  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:18:59am

These people are going to kill my diabetic, insulin-dependent brother, who is on Arizona’s version of Medicaid (AHCCCS). They’re going to kill him and they’re going to make my work insurance far less valuable than it is now. What a bunch of evil bastards these people are.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:19:14am

re: #18 calochortus

Who ever believed Trump had tapes of Comey?

The 60 million plus marks who voted for Trump…

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A Mom Anon  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:19:20am

If my son becomes uninsurable when this passes (and trust me, autism will be considered a pre-existing condition) I am knocking on every fucking conservative’s door I know and asking them to their faces if they would mind helping me pay for any of his healthcare costs, The Husband’s too. Mr AMA has type 2 diabetes, heart disease and his new diagnosis (which, just for the TESTING was over 20K without insurance).

I am so pissed off right now. These motherfuckers won’t feel ANY of this. None of it. And for what? Greed and Hate. Jesus would be so proud. Deplorable is the kindest thing I can think of to say. Fuck them. Just Fucking Fuck Them.

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jaunte  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:19:38am

re: #73 calochortus

“Nick Pappas” doesn’t earn enough to worry about ACA taxes, but he’s protecting his position as a future billionaire.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:20:26am

re: #61 KGxvi

So, four defectors because the bill doesn’t go far enough. Presumably, another 3-5 because it goes too far.

I really think my read earlier was right: McConnell wants to bring this to the floor so it loses and he can say the issues is over, the ACA is the law of the land, and we’re just going to have to live with that.

I hope I’m wrong, but I see it the opposite way around. IMO McConnell wouldn’t bring this to the floor unless he has the votes. A public loss on this issue would be unbearable for the Republicans. Both the “this bill isn’t vicious enough” and the “this bill is too vicious” Republicans could all be acting from a script, where the plan is to bring them on board with a few amendments and pretend that the result is somehow moderate.

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calochortus  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:21:07am

re: #75 Joe Bacon 🌹

The 60 million plus marks who voted for Trump…

Nah, they just think it was funny. Getting libs into a lather like that. HAHAHAHA! Oh wait, libs weren’t deceived….

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Renaissance_Man  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:23:04am

re: #61 KGxvi

So, four defectors because the bill doesn’t go far enough. Presumably, another 3-5 because it goes too far.

I really think my read earlier was right: McConnell wants to bring this to the floor so it loses and he can say the issues is over, the ACA is the law of the land, and we’re just going to have to live with that.

That seems hugely unlikely. Why work to make a bill in the first place? To do that he could have just floated the House bill and let that fail.

A bill like this arises because Republicans are now aware that they cannot lose elections for the foreseeable future. This will go through a similar process to the House bill - make deeper cuts and remove more assistance so it becomes even worse for poor people, and add a few sops like a few billion dollar fund so people like Rob Portman can say they got something, and then it will pass.

Republicans are learning in the age of Trump that their voters will vote for anything. Anything at all. They voted for Donald fucking Trump. They will vote for anything as long as it makes liberals angry enough, and anything their media tells them to. So they are learning that they can push for whatever they want because there will be no consequences. They can’t lose elections.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:23:19am

re: #77 jaunte

“Nick Pappas” doesn’t earn enough to worry about ACA taxes, but he’s protecting his position as a future billionaire.

Forget about temporarily embarrassed millionaires. The US is apparently full of temporarily embarrassed plutocrats.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:24:45am

re: #56 Birth Control Works

A little nature break:

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Yes. I used to walk to work (in a different place) and had to change routes when a red-winged black bird started dive-bombing me everyday.

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jaunte  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:25:00am

re: #81 EPR-radar

Their “hey, it could happen” vision has some serious blind spots.

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calochortus  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:26:10am

Unless I’m missing something, Freepers are staying away from discussing this new healthcare plan. They don’t seem to like it much, but haven’t got any better ideas and just hate the ACA with the fire of a thousand suns.
It is going to be difficult for the GOP to please people. Even their own people.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:26:50am

re: #83 jaunte

Let’s hope THAT’S a fucking pre-existing condition too. God Damn It I’m angry. If my wrist wasn’t broken I’d punch something right now.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:27:54am

How many of the mentally ill will have to turn to street drugs to self medicate?

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:28:14am

My beautiful girl crossed the Rainbow Bridge this morning. Rest in Peace, my angel.

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jaunte  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:28:24am
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calochortus  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:28:40am

I’m hoping CA will see its way clear to keep up higher levels of Medi-Cal spending. I would cheerfully pay more taxes to keep people healthy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:28:52am

re: #87 MsJ

{{gentle hugs}}

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gocart mozart  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:28:55am
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Cheechako  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:29:01am

DAMN IT DEMOCRATS!!! Where’s your alternative “Single Payer Healthcare Reform Bill”?

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calochortus  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:29:26am

re: #87 MsJ

I’m so sorry. She looks like such a sweetie.

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plansbandc  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:30:05am

re: #87 MsJ

I am so sorry. :(

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:30:07am

re: #87 MsJ

My beautiful girl crossed the Rainbow Bridge this morning. Rest in Peace, my angel.

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So sorry to hear this.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:30:28am

re: #87 MsJ

So sorry. She does look like an angel.

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makeitstop  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:31:01am

re: #87 MsJ

My beautiful girl crossed the Rainbow Bridge this morning. Rest in Peace, my angel.

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{{{{MsJ}}}}

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:31:26am

re: #87 MsJ

My beautiful girl crossed the Rainbow Bridge this morning. Rest in Peace, my angel.

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(MsJ)

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A Mom Anon  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:31:57am

re: #87 MsJ

Aww what a sweet baby. I am so sorry for your loss.

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gocart mozart  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:32:17am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:32:37am

re: #55 Bubblehead II

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This is why Angela Merkel is now the Leader of the Free World!

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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:34:34am

re: #78 EPR-radar

I hope I’m wrong, but I see it the opposite way around. IMO McConnell wouldn’t bring this to the floor unless he has the votes. A public loss on this issue would be unbearable for the Republicans. Both the “this bill isn’t vicious enough” and the “this bill is too vicious” Republicans could all be acting from a script, where the plan is to bring them on board with a few amendments and pretend that the result is somehow moderate.

re: #80 Renaissance_Man

That seems hugely unlikely. Why work to make a bill in the first place. To do that he could have just floated the House bill and let that fail.

A bill like this arises because Republicans are now aware that they cannot lose elections for the foreseeable future. This will go through a similar process to the House bill - make deeper cuts and remove more assistance so it becomes even worse for poor people, and add a few sops like a few billion dollar fund so people like Rob Portman can say they got something, and then it will pass.

Republicans are learning in the age of Trump that their voters will vote for anything. Anything at all. They voted for Donald fucking Trump. They will vote for anything as long as it makes liberals angry enough, and anything their media tells them to. So they are learning that they can push for whatever they want because there will be no consequences. They can’t lose elections.

The problem that they have is that they’ve also been promising a more market based replacement. They don’t have one because the ACA is incredibly market based (it was based on Romneycare which was based on the GOP alternative to Hillarycare in the 90s). They also saw the responses they got at town halls. They know if they replace and can’t replace, many of them are going to be losing elections.

Bringing it up for a vote, even if you don’t have the votes to pass, allows you to claim the issue is settled. They’ll spend the foreseeable picking at the edges, as they’ve done with Medicare and Social Security, and they’ll become defenders of the program when Democrats (likely by 2020) start to garner support for single payer. It also allows them to move on to other things - like cutting taxes and gutting the administrative agencies.

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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:36:24am

re: #87 MsJ

Condolences.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:36:40am

My grandson has Type 1 diabetes. Fortunately he lives in Canada.

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Renaissance_Man  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:37:44am

re: #102 KGxvi

The problem that they have is that they’ve also been promising a more market based replacement. They don’t have one because the ACA is incredibly market based (it was based on Romneycare which was based on the GOP alternative to Hillarycare in the 90s). They also saw the responses they got at town halls. They know if they replace and can’t replace, many of them are going to be losing elections.

I don’t see why you think they will lose elections.

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allegro  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:38:13am

re: #87 MsJ

I’m so sorry. :( {{{MsJ}}}

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:39:00am

re: #92 Cheechako

DAMN IT DEMOCRATS!!! Where’s your alternative “Single Payer Healthcare Reform Bill”?

It’s called the “Affordable Care Act.”

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:39:35am

re: #96 Jebediah, RBG

So sorry. She does look like an angel.

She was the silliest, funniest, goofiest, sweetest dog. The hardest thing about having dogs is doing right by them at the end. She was 15 years old, couldn’t stand on her own any longer and would fall down more and more when we got her up. And she had dogzeimers. She couldn’t find her way back to the door when she was 3 feet away.

Today is not a good day.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:40:14am

re: #101 Joe Bacon 🌹

This is why Angela Merkel is now the Leader of the Free World!

And we hope she stays that way!

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jaunte  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:40:17am
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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:42:35am

I don’t know if this was mentioned yesterday, but it shows the gamble McConnell is willing to take on this healthcare legislation. I hope enough people understand his point and then prove him wrong.

Oh yeah, and this baby is being birthed by Mitch all on his own it seems. Even the advisory panel of all men was bullshit.

Rawstory - Mitch McConnell is betting voters won’t punish GOP for Trumpcare — because they already hate Congress

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) is making a cynical gamble that voter antipathy toward Congress will allow Republicans to pass an unpopular health care bill in secrecy without facing electoral consequences.

Some GOP senators have complained that McConnell is rushing the revised bill to a vote without sharing its contents or debating them in public, but his gamble appears like it will pay off, reported Politico.

McConnell expects to hold a vote after the bill is scored by the Congressional Budget Office, likely next week, which The Hill reported will put pressure on both centrist and conservative Republicans to back Obamacare repeal — an issue Republicans have campaigned on since the law was passed.

House Republicans barely got their own version of Obamacare passed, which President Donald Trump celebrated as if the bill were law, and GOP senators have debated their revised version during closed-door lunches and small-group meetings.

The actual bill is being written by McConnell and his staff.

“The leader is really writing this bill,” said Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN). “I mean, we can say the Finance Committee is. We can say the Budget Committee is. We can say the HELP Committee is. But the leader’s office is really writing the bill.”

McConnell is banking on some broad combination of voter anger and apathy to shield Republicans from political consequences.

The House overhaul of Obamacare was deeply unpopular, and polls show similar attitudes toward Senate GOP efforts — but McConnell is betting that voters who already think Congress is broken won’t punish them for passing health care reform quickly and with no public debate.

“At the end of the day, you’re judged by what you get,” said one GOP senator. “At the end of the day, they’re not going to be critical of how we got there.”

…more at link

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ericblair  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:43:06am

re: #105 Renaissance_Man

I don’t see why you think they will lose elections.

Because it will hurt their constituents, badly, individually, and personally. Most of Republican orthodoxy hurts someone else, or has effects indirect enough that it doesn’t matter. Hate is a luxury good, and if the Gooper masses don’t feel they have the luxury they might listen to reason for a cycle.

The history of politics in America is mostly a history of backlashes, layered on long term changes.

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makeitstop  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:44:26am

re: #108 MsJ

She was the silliest, funniest, goofiest, sweetest dog. The hardest thing about having dogs is doing right by them at the end. She was 15 years old, couldn’t stand on her own any longer and would fall down more and more when we got her up. And she had dogzeimers. She couldn’t find her way back to the door when she was 3 feet away.

Today is not a good day.

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I’m so sorry.

When we lost our Cody, a friend sent me this quote. I hope it gives you solace.

“Dogs, lives are short, too short, but you know that going in. You know the pain is coming, you’re going to lose a dog, and there’s going to be great anguish, so you live fully in the moment with her, never fail to share her joy or delight in her innocence, because you can’t support the illusion that a dog can be your lifelong companion. There’s such beauty in the hard honesty of that, in accepting and giving love while always aware that it comes with an unbearable price. Maybe loving dogs is a way we do penance for all the other illusions we allow ourselves and the mistakes we make because of those illusions.”

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:44:49am

re: #112 ericblair

Because it will hurt their constituents, badly, individually, and personally. Most of Republican orthodoxy hurts someone else, or has effects indirect enough that it doesn’t matter. Hate is a luxury good, and if the Gooper masses don’t feel they have the luxury they might listen to reason for a cycle.

The history of politics in America is mostly a history of backlashes, layered on long term changes.

BUT it will take years to demonstrably hurt them. By then, most of these republicans will go the way of Johnny Boner….they’ll be mowing the lawn with exceptional retirement packages.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:45:43am

re: #113 makeitstop

Thank you. That was beautiful.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:46:26am

re: #77 jaunte

“Nick Pappas” doesn’t earn enough to worry about ACA taxes, but he’s protecting his position as a future billionaire.

Nick is stupid enough to believe he will win the next Mega Millions jackpot!

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:46:34am

re: #104 The Vicious Babushka

My grandson has Type 1 diabetes. Fortunately he lives in Canada.

Can I be his nanny?

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makeitstop  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:46:56am

re: #115 MsJ

Thank you. That was beautiful.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:47:03am

re: #108 MsJ

She was the silliest, funniest, goofiest, sweetest dog. The hardest thing about having dogs is doing right by them at the end. She was 15 years old, couldn’t stand on her own any longer and would fall down more and more when we got her up. And she had dogzeimers. She couldn’t find her way back to the door when she was 3 feet away.

Today is not a good day.

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As my Dear Old Dad would say “oooh Hounded Dog”

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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:47:31am

re: #84 calochortus

Unless I’m missing something, Freepers are staying away from discussing this new healthcare plan. They don’t seem to like it much, but haven’t got any better ideas and just hate the ACA with the fire of a thousand suns.
It is going to be difficult for the GOP to please people. Even their own people.

The only thing I’m seeing over there is this thread where the commenters are talking about the problem really being that the cost of healthcare is too high, and that insurance premiums are too high because the underlying cost is too high. Sounds like a reasonable position, but I don’t know enough about the industry to explain why it is or isn’t bullshit.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:47:49am

re: #118 makeitstop

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Renaissance_Man  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:47:50am

re: #112 ericblair

Because it will hurt their constituents, badly, individually, and personally. Most of Republican orthodoxy hurts someone else, or has effects indirect enough that it doesn’t matter. Hate is a luxury good, and if the Gooper masses don’t feel they have the luxury they might listen to reason for a cycle.

The history of politics in America is mostly a history of backlashes, layered on long term changes.

It’s a good thought, but I think hate isn’t a luxury. I think hate is a food that sustains them even when there’s nothing else. Middle and upper class Trump voters hate for entertainment, but the huge masses of poor rural Trump voters hate no matter how little they have. Hate provides the nourishment of the soul they can’t get with their other modest means.

A bill like this will only take away their lives. If it took away their cable TV or internet, there may be consequences. But Trump voters will happily choke on their own bile if they think it makes a liberal angry.

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:50:59am

re: #61 KGxvi

So, four defectors because the bill doesn’t go far enough. Presumably, another 3-5 because it goes too far.

I really think my read earlier was right: McConnell wants to bring this to the floor so it loses and he can say the issues is over, the ACA is the law of the land, and we’re just going to have to live with that.

There have been many political pundits that have thought the same.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:52:07am

re: #123 ObserverArt

There have been many political pundits that have thought the same.

And then starve the ACA so people die anyway.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:52:22am

re: #117 Birth Control Works

Can I be his nanny?

He’s 15. I think he would rather have a girlfriend.

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calochortus  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:52:30am

re: #120 KGxvi

The only thing I’m seeing over there is this thread where the commenters are talking about the problem really being that the cost of healthcare is too high, and that insurance premiums are too high because the underlying cost is too high. Sounds like a reasonable position, but I don’t know enough about the industry to explain why it is or isn’t bullshit.

I saw that and one other thread on the topic. Total # of comments about 40. The problem with their take on bringing costs down is, as far as I can see, still Free Market Booyah! Which is bullshit. They have, however, identified about half the problem-cost, while totally missing the solution-single payer.

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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:52:35am

re: #105 Renaissance_Man

I don’t see why you think they will lose elections.

Well, we just had a series of special elections in fairly strong GOP districts that were much closer than they should have been (the Georgia sixth is a +14 GOP district, Price won by 20+ points last year, Handel won by 3). So there is some dissatisfaction out there with Republicans in Republican districts. We’ve seen the way they’ve responded to town halls and protests (my favorite was Issa hiding on the roof). Trump is not popular, the House bill was not popular, this Senate bill will not be popular. Combine all of that and they’re posed to lose seats if this thing actually passes.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:53:51am

re: #127 KGxvi

Well, we just had a series of special elections in fairly strong GOP districts that were much closer than they should have been (the Georgia sixth is a +14 GOP district, Price won by 20+ points last year, Handel won by 3). So there is some dissatisfaction out there with Republicans in Republican districts. We’ve seen the way they’ve responded to town halls and protests (my favorite was Issa hiding on the roof). Trump is not popular, the House bill was not popular, this Senate bill will not be popular. Combine all of that and they’re posed to lose seats if this thing actually passes.

Honestly, I think they are unhappy moreso with Trump being a numbnut than with Republicans overall.

I hope I a proven wrong.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:56:07am

re: #108 MsJ

My condolences. It was very hard when my guy at passed away at age 15. They are so wonderful but share our lives for too short a time.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:02:37pm

re: #125 The Vicious Babushka

He’s 15. I think he would rather have a girlfriend.

I can chaperone.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:04:56pm

re: #108 MsJ

Yeah, it really can be hard when they are starting to fail. Otto was in pretty rough shape and it was obvious the end was really near but it didn’t make it any easier. It is wrenching seeing them unable to handle walking or navigating etc.
We want them to be happy and comfortable forever and that’s one thing we can’t give them….today is definitely not a good day for you but you know that throughout her time with you she knew she was loved and that she made you happy. This part of it hurts and sucks but you know you did right by her always. I hope the immediate pain doesn’t last too long for you.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:09:34pm

re: #87 MsJ

My beautiful girl crossed the Rainbow Bridge this morning. Rest in Peace, my angel.

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So sorry MsJ! Sending a hug!

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:26:12pm
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Le Coquí Résistance  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:33:25pm

re: #65 Sir John Barron

WTFITS?

We’ve told “our friends” to go eff off. We’ve buddied up to Saudi Arabia.

Pence said his allies. He never specified which allies.

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Le Coquí Résistance  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:34:26pm

re: #87 MsJ

My beautiful girl crossed the Rainbow Bridge this morning. Rest in Peace, my angel.

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re: #87 MsJ

My beautiful girl crossed the Rainbow Bridge this morning. Rest in Peace, my angel.

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{{{MsJ}}}

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BeachDem  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:39:27pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah, Rand, I’m sure there are parts you really adore, like the very important rescinding of the tanning tax (Trump probably put that in himself.)

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BeachDem  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:46:55pm

re: #110 jaunte

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Theater of the absurdly repulsive.


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