The Day Before House Intelligence Demanded an Answer From Trump, He Admits He Didn’t Record James Comey

Trump waits until the last minute to admit he tried to intimidate James Comey
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Make no mistake, folks. Today our so-called president Donald Trump admitted openly on Twitter that he was trying to intimidate former FBI director James Comey out of testifying, when he sent the following tweet last month:

Because today, one day before the deadline the House Intelligence panel had set on getting an answer from the yammering yam on whether he secretly recorded his conversations with Comey, Trump got on Twitter and admitted he did not record the conversations.

Of course, he tries to absolve himself of any blame by claiming he was only referring to other people’s recordings.

Once again he’s subverting his own legal case, because this is just more evidence of his attempt to obstruct the investigation into his dealings with Russia.

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409 comments

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freetoken  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:45:32am

Golly… how these things work out…

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:47:05am

This man is honestly the dumbest person ever in government, and that includes Bachmann, Goehmert, and King. He just admitted to what he was charged with. Out and out admitted it.

I am at a loss. How did we get here?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:49:25am
With all of the recently reported electronic surveillance, intercepts, unmasking and illegal leaking of information, I have no idea…

— Donald J. Trump

This is gibberish, unworthy even of Sarah Palin.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:51:09am

re: #2 MsJ

This man is honestly the dumbest person ever in government, and that includes Bachmann, Goehmert, and King. He just admitted to what he was charged with. Out and out admitted it.

I am at a loss. How did we get here?

30 years of disinformation, mainly targeted at the Clintons, led to her defeat. The problem is, the same disinformation campaign produced the electorate for a party that is nearly as dumb as rocks, no matter how much education they have. Thus it gave us Trump.

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jaunte  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:51:39am

Your employer is no longer required to offer you affordable insurance.
Under Obamacare, employers with 50 or more employees are required to offer their workers health plans whose costs do not exceed a certain percentage of their income.

Under the Senate bill, those protections are gone — meaning employers don’t have to offer you coverage, and they have no limits on how much money can be charged for the coverage they do offer.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:52:45am

Tapes of conversations between Agent Orange and James Comey would only exist if one or the other made them. This bit about “unmasking” and “surveillance” is just more lies and obstruction.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 22, 2017 • 11:53:49am

This is also proof that Trump will bluff without a second’s regard to how much that bluff, when called, will damage his administration and the USA in the long term. If you’re a US ally looking at this you’re probably deeply unsettled, if you’re a US enemy you’re probably pretty emboldened right now.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:00:45pm

re: #5 jaunte

This may be the thing that rattles some people loose a little. The ACA was for “those people”. This steaming pile of hate will hurt the people who have never had to navigate the insurance maze the rest of us have because of employer based insurance. They don’t realize it yet, but when those big bosses in the big offices far away decide heathcare is just another annoying expense they no longer have to tolerate, watch how working class white people act then. They can’t blame this on liberals, though I’m sure they’ll give it a heroic effort.

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covfefe  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:02:03pm

If Trump had tapes/recordings, they would have been released DURING Comey’s testimony.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:04:24pm

GOP voters in a nutshell

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:05:24pm

re: #4 Belafon

30 years of disinformation, mainly targeted at the Clintons, led to her defeat. The problem is, the same disinformation campaign produced the electorate for a party that is nearly as dumb as rocks, no matter how much education they have. Thus it gave us Trump.

Add in all of that “Clinton Baggage” also worked on left leaning people. It brought us Bernie too. Too many people that should know better on the liberal/progressive/Democratic side also bought the whole Clinton narrative.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:05:26pm

re: #9 covfefe

If Trump had tapes/recordings, they would have been released DURING Comey’s testimony.

Or he has tapes and the tapes back Comey’s account.

….nah. DJT would still release them and claim they are saying something completely different than what they actually say. Who you gonna believe, me or your lying ears?

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:06:16pm

re: #10 Dr. Matt

GOP voters in a nutshell

[The media could not be played.]

Oh, how I wish.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:09:00pm
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MsJ  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:10:28pm

re: #11 ObserverArt

Add in all of that “Clinton Baggage” also worked on left leaning people. It brought us Bernie too. Too many people that should know better on the liberal/progressive/Democratic side also bought the whole Clinton narrative.

Amen. I am shocked by the number of American’s who seem to prefer to be lied to. You can have free college and free healthcare and everything will be perfume and roses and glory be to all of us, the best thing ever. Or, BUH-LEAVE ME! I can do anything you want!

Saddest damn state of affairs.

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:14:50pm

I just want to say…I am trying real hard not to punch my monitor screen seeing that fucking fake-ass smiling face of Trump up above. No one smiles like that. It’s not even good acting. It is the face of an arrogant asshole who thinks he can get over on anyone.

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Interesting Times  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:15:40pm

REMINDER:

Though in all honesty, the ~50% of eligible or even already-registered voters who can’t be arsed to show up do a good-enough job of disenfranchising themselves :/

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covfefe  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:15:43pm

re: #14 Dr. Matt

I’m sorry, but that’s all they could come up with?

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:16:16pm

So, if your employer doesn’t offer you health insurance, you …

a-have a single-payer government backed plan to choose
b-can go and get affordable comprehensive comperable coverage from a private insurer
c-die

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:16:28pm
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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:17:09pm

re: #17 Interesting Times

REMINDER:

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Though in all honesty, the ~50% of eligible or even already-registered voters who can’t be arsed to show up do a good-enough job of disenfranchising themselves :/

I rather agree —the Republic is over —and we have not an Augustus of our own.

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Interesting Times  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:17:32pm

re: #16 ObserverArt

I just want to say…I am trying real hard not to punch my monitor screen seeing that fucking fake-ass smiling face of Trump up above. No one smiles like that. It’s not even good acting. It is the face of an arrogant asshole who thinks he can get over on anyone.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:18:30pm

I’m off to make t-shirts.

The words of the prophets are written on t-shirts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:19:17pm

re: #11 ObserverArt

Add in all of that “Clinton Baggage” also worked on left leaning people. It brought us Bernie too. Too many people that should know better on the liberal/progressive/Democratic side also bought the whole Clinton narrative.

“Clinton Baggage” —- what really gets me is that EVERYBODY has baggage. It’s just so weird that GOP baggage is more like fancy high-dollar matched luggage.

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:20:21pm

re: #22 Interesting Times

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What is the image on the right? I have never seen it before. It sure has the Trump expression down…and it looks like it is also evil.

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scottslemmons  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:21:54pm

re: #25 ObserverArt

What is the image on the right? I have never seen it before. It sure has the Trump expression down…and it look like it is also evil.

It looks like one of Stephen Gammell’s illustrations from the “Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark” books.

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austin_blue  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:26:46pm

re: #26 scottslemmons

It looks like one of Stephen Gammell’s illustrations from the “Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark” books.

It is.

floobynooby.blogspot.com

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jaunte  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:29:48pm

We’re living in a horror story.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:31:14pm

re: #28 jaunte

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We’re living in a horror story.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:31:40pm

To clarify, it’s the assaulted motorist who is facing jail time…

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:32:40pm

re: #28 jaunte

What’s next? “First night” rights for all men in senior corporate management?

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Interesting Times  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:33:35pm

re: #25 ObserverArt

What is the image on the right? I have never seen it before. It sure has the Trump expression down…and it looks like it is also evil.

As well it should, because it’s by Stephen Gammell, who illustrated Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark (see #5, “The Dream”).

And look…he captured Kellyanne Conway as well!

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:38:31pm

Every time there’s a medical bankruptcy in the US, a Republican gets its horns and tail.

At first I had this referring to every time someone in the US dies for lack of health care, but that original version was wrong. Republicans do not care about people. The only thing they care about is money.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:38:58pm
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Dr. Matt  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:40:20pm

re: #30 FormerDirtDart

To clarify, it’s the assaulted motorist who is facing jail time…

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And there will be a jury that will find that low-life, scumbag, Nazi LEO to be “innocent”.

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jaunte  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:44:40pm
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CongoJack  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:45:27pm

re: #30 FormerDirtDart

To clarify, it’s the assaulted motorist who is facing jail time…

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It should have been…
Officer: Sir, I need your license and registration….

Instead we got…
Office: Hands up mother fucker Hulk SMASH!

Every bully I knew in High School is now a cop (or joined the Marines and is now a cop). Their attitude didn’t get corrected… they just learned out to hurt people more.

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jaunte  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:45:27pm

“Simply put, if there’s a chance you might get sick, get old, or start a family - this bill will do you harm.”

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:46:05pm

re: #34 FormerDirtDart

Winning?

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:46:52pm

re: #35 Dr. Matt

And there will be a jury that will find that low-life, scumbag, Nazi LEO to be “innocent”.

the scumbag has not been disciplined, let alone charged with a crime…

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Charles Johnson  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:47:44pm
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Amory Blaine  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:47:47pm

re: #14 Dr. Matt

Ahh, Schumer has a witty placard. That makes me feel better.

//

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thecommodore  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:48:04pm

This is the Pollster average of Trump’s job approval among Republicans as of today. As you can see, it remains north of 80%. I think that Trump, McConnell, and Ryan are well aware of this and really don’t care about how terrible the optics of their whole “repeal and replace” charade are. As long as they are getting rid of something Obama (who you may remember was our first black president) passed, which will also enable them to fill their “hot cup of liberal tears,” that’s all they care about.

And if their corporate sugardaddies can get even more obese in the process, well then that’s cool too.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:48:55pm

I give up.

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Citizen K  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:49:26pm

re: #38 jaunte

“Simply put, if there’s a chance you might get sick, get old, or start a family - this bill will do you harm.”

In other words, every single fucking moment of your life. Because that’s the thing about health care and insurance: most people won’t need it, until they suddenly do. And for those who do need it for those extended periods of times…well, they’re extra fucked.

But lets not mince here: this is an assault on all Americans except the ones rich enough to afford out-of-pocket anyway

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Timothy Watson  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:49:58pm

re: #44 Ace-o-aces

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I give up.

Always apt:

‘Fuck it, I quit’: CBS reporter Quits live on Air

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Citizen K  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:51:05pm

re: #35 Dr. Matt

re: #40 FormerDirtDart

Yep. The officer’s innocence of guilt isn’t the matter at hand since he’s literally not on trial. His victim is instead. And that kind of illustrates the problem all over.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:51:15pm

re: #45 Citizen K

In other words, every single fucking moment of your life. Because that’s the thing about health care and insurance: most people won’t need it, until they suddenly do. And for those who do need it for those extended periods of times…well, they’re extra fucked.

But lets not mince here: this is an assault on all Americans except the ones rich enough to afford out-of-pocket anyway

There are only two kinds of Republicans:

1) Those who openly want a final solution to exterminate the poor and other supposed undesirables in the US, and

2) Those whose want this but are too chickenshit to say so in public.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:55:03pm

re: #44 Ace-o-aces

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I give up.

Trump supporters are stooopid.
Most of the replies are pretending Trump is playing 3D chess when he can’t handle checkers.

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freetoken  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:55:10pm

re: #44 Ace-o-aces

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I give up.

If it helps, here are some live pandas:

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ipsos  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:57:02pm

re: #43 thecommodore

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This is the Pollster average of Trump’s job approval among Republicans as of today. As you can see, it remains north of 80%. I think that Trump, McConnell, and Ryan are well aware of this and really don’t care about how terrible the optics of their whole “repeal and replace” charade are. As long as they are getting rid of something Obama (who you may remember was our first black president) passed, which will also enable them to fill their “hot cup of liberal tears,” that’s all they care about.

And if their corporate sugardaddies can get even more obese in the process, well then that’s cool too.

These charts are slightly misleading, though, insofar as they appear to measure job approval among those who self-describe as Republicans at any given moment, and that’s not a constant number.

Peel some of those Republicans away, even if it’s so they can pretend they’re “independents” to make themselves feel slightly better about themselves, and your 80%-plus becomes a fraction of an ever smaller whole.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:57:18pm
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allegro  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:58:10pm

Why are Dems not plastering airwaves and ‘net waves with ads saying that Republicans are taking YOUR family’s healthcare and savings? I sure can’t think of a better use of $ and start working to 2018.

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b.d.  Jun 22, 2017 • 12:59:38pm
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Citizen K  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:00:11pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:01:22pm

re: #35 Dr. Matt

And there will be a jury that will find that low-life, scumbag, Nazi LEO to be “innocent”.

and this is happening in Cincinnati:

His first trial ended up with hung jury.
Looks like that might happen again.

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allegro  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:01:56pm

And why do we keep focusing on only poor people? We know that isn’t a big seller since it actually seems to be a source of glee for the right. The TrumpDontCare bill hits everyone but the 1%. Fucking SAY IT! Pound it in.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:02:06pm

President Obama twisting the knife a little bit here

That remains true. So I still hope that there are enough Republicans in Congress who remember that public service is not about sport or notching a political win, that there’s a reason we all chose to serve in the first place, and that hopefully, it’s to make people’s lives better, not worse.

Obama knows by now, better than anyone on the planet, that Republicans are in Congress only and exclusively to bring the loot back to their paymasters. The only thing that could possibly delay that agenda item is a threat to their re-eleciton chances, which has not yet become apparent.

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Interesting Times  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:03:07pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

Mixed bag. Of course much of it is what needs to be said, but I am so utterly sick to death of this sort of thing:

So it remains my fervent hope that we step back and try to deliver on what the American people need.

That might take some time and compromise between Democrats and Republicans. But I believe that’s what people want to see. I believe it would demonstrate the kind of leadership that appeals to Americans across party lines. And I believe that it’s possible - if you are willing to make a difference again.

NO IT ISN’T POSSIBLE. GOPers are too brainwashed and hate-filled and driven by durr hurr, all we care about is tax cuts and making libtards cry!!1!

Also, Democrats are already perceived by non-voters/fickle supporters as being too weak and willing to give in to GOPer demands.

I know it was never in Obama’s character to be harsh, but at the very least he could have couched his statement in more shade-throwing terms instead of falling back on a sad appeal to “bipartisanship” that hasn’t existed since 2008.

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:05:22pm

re: #37 CongoJack

It should have been…
Officer: Sir, I need your license and registration….

Instead we got…
Office: Hands up mother fucker Hulk SMASH!

Every bully I knew in High School is now a cop (or joined the Marines and is now a cop). Their attitude didn’t get corrected… they just learned out to hurt people more.

Ah the old friends turn out differently routine. Give ‘em a badge…

A Clockwork Orange - Alex beaten up by the police

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freetoken  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:05:23pm

re: #58 EPR-radar

Personally, I don’t care for President Obama’s reply.

The problem we have today in our society, well, one of them, is that people only respond to stronger, more dramatic, statements. Visual and audible.

I’m looking for replies that are less diplomatic, less couched in wishy washy terms.

As the stakes are so high - and changing health care laws will lead to life and death decisions that otherwise would be addressed differently - I think our rhetoric should reflect this.

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jaunte  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:05:47pm
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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:06:42pm

re: #57 allegro

And why do we keep focusing on only poor people? We know that isn’t a big seller since it actually seems to be a source of glee for the right. The TrumpDontCare bill hits everyone but the 1%. Fucking SAY IT! Pound it in.

As I indicated upthread, what the GOP really likes about their horrible bill is the increase in medical bankruptcies it will cause. Each one of those events is a glorious blessing from the GOP point of view, because it represents assets formerly owned by a non-plutocrat returning to plutocrat ownership. Sure the doctors and care providers get paid, but the health care system as a whole, just like much of the US economy, is a very efficient concentrator of wealth and profits from everyone to the plutocrats.

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thecommodore  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:08:17pm

re: #51 ipsos

These charts are slightly misleading, though, insofar as they appear to measure job approval among those who self-describe as Republicans at any given moment, and that’s not a constant number.

Peel some of those Republicans away, even if it’s so they can pretend they’re “independents” to make themselves feel slightly better about themselves, and your 80%-plus becomes a fraction of an ever smaller whole.

That may be true, but it seems that whatever discomfort there is about Trump and Trumpism among Republicans, enough of them keep “coming home” to the GOP because the Dems are LIBERALS, so the GOP will keep trying to stick it to the LIBTARDS. :/

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b_sharp  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:09:07pm

re: #44 Ace-o-aces

Chess is tough, 3D chess is really tough so 4D chess must be even tougher and someone like Trump who can bluff in a game that has no bluffing means he’s very very super smart.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:09:12pm

re: #58 EPR-radar

President Obama twisting the knife a little bit here

Obama knows by now, better than anyone on the planet, that Republicans are in Congress only and exclusively to bring the loot back to their paymasters. The only thing that could possibly delay that agenda item is a threat to their re-eleciton chances, which has not yet become apparent.

True that. There isn’t a single Republican in Washington who cares about anything but party loyalty and their wealthy donors. There is no hope for this country as long as these people keep getting reelected. The USA had a good run, but it appears to be over now. OTOH, if the Senate Republicans actually stop this legislation, I can be rescued from total despair about the future of this nation

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:09:37pm

re: #61 freetoken

Personally, I don’t care for President Obama’s reply.

The problem we have today in our society, well, one of them, is that people only respond to stronger, more dramatic, statements. Visual and audible.

I’m looking for replies that are less diplomatic, less couched in wishy washy terms.

As the stakes are so high - and changing health care laws will lead to life and death decisions that otherwise would be addressed differently - I think our rhetoric should reflect this.

I’d certainly like to see bomb-throwers like Alan Grayson that can provide the full package along with suitable language for describing motherfucking Republicans. Grayson’s summary of the Republican health care plan has never been equaled. It’s a pity Grayson wasn’t good for much else.

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allegro  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:09:46pm

re: #63 EPR-radar

As I indicated upthread, what the GOP really likes about their horrible bill is the increase in medical bankruptcies it will cause. Each one of those events is a glorious blessing from the GOP point of view, because it represents assets formerly owned by a non-plutocrat returning to plutocrat ownership. Sure the doctors and care providers get paid, but the health care system as a whole, just like much of the US economy, is a very efficient concentrator of wealth and profits from everyone to the plutocrats.

Only as long as its someone else’s bankruptcy. About time they got it smacked into their heads that this is THEIR bankrupcy. The GOP are out to eat their own base.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:09:58pm

Later Lizards.

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Interesting Times  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:10:59pm

re: #61 freetoken

Personally, I don’t care for President Obama’s reply.

The problem we have today in our society, well, one of them, is that people only respond to stronger, more dramatic, statements. Visual and audible.

I’m looking for replies that are less diplomatic, less couched in wishy washy terms.

As the stakes are so high - and changing health care laws will lead to life and death decisions that otherwise would be addressed differently - I think our rhetoric should reflect this.

Yes, this is what I meant, but you said it better. Fuck wishy-washy appeals to bipartisanship already. It comes across as naive at best, disingenuous at worst (especially since the GOPers have been, so far, REWARDED for their scorched-earth fuckery (e.g. Gorsuch))

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:15:56pm

re: #49 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Trump supporters are stooopid.
Most of the replies are pretending Trump is playing 3D chess when he can’t handle checkers.

On the other hand, I could make a fortune selling these idiots timeshares.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:16:01pm

re: #70 Interesting Times

Yes, this is what I meant, but you said it better. Fuck wishy-washy appeals to bipartisanship already. It comes across as naive at best, disingenuous at worst (especially since the GOPers have been, so far, REWARDED for their scorched-earth fuckery (e.g. Gorsuch))

I see it a little differently. Later parts of Obama’s statement were very strong against the senate bill. Just like when he was President, it remains true that Obama can’t go all out on rhetoric vs. the Republicans because of that stupid optics thing about ‘angry black men’. That’s a nuisance we just have to live with. Other people in the Democratic party can talk about the motherfucking republicans, if that will be helpful.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:18:22pm

re: #44 Ace-o-aces

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I give up.

That dumbass has a timeline full of idiocy, and says he “proudly followed by Hannity”.
Being proud of being followed by someone who lies to his audience fits right in with the general stupidity.

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:19:29pm

re: #51 ipsos

These charts are slightly misleading, though, insofar as they appear to measure job approval among those who self-describe as Republicans at any given moment, and that’s not a constant number.

Peel some of those Republicans away, even if it’s so they can pretend they’re “independents” to make themselves feel slightly better about themselves, and your 80%-plus becomes a fraction of an ever smaller whole.

Nice try. I agree, but then I am a damn naive optimist. No amount of reasonable thinking of what might be really going on is going to prevent those that want to wallow in the doom from finding evidence that supports that doom.

Even the old adage popularized by Mark Twain: “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics” will not help.

What gets me is many are calling for the Democratic party to toughen up. I wonder when the people that make up the party base will toughen up and do what the Republicans do. That would be to “damn the torpedoes…full speed ahead.”

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:19:37pm

re: #71 Ace-o-aces

On the other hand, I could make a fortune selling these idiots timeshares.

I have wonderful plots of CA real estate in prime locations to sell to tr*mp supporters for only $100K each. The lots are a bit irregular in size, and can roughly be described as triangles having sides of 200 yards, 130 yards and 70 yards.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:19:41pm

re: #57 allegro

And why do we keep focusing on only poor people? We know that isn’t a big seller since it actually seems to be a source of glee for the right. The TrumpDontCare bill hits everyone but the 1%. Fucking SAY IT! Pound it in.

^^THIS^^

This bill brings back the annual and lifetime caps.
This bill lets insurance companies raise rates a lot and allows them to cancel your policy without any warning or recourse.
It brings back pre-existing conditions, which is a really big deal for anyone who remembers life before ACA: if you had any kind of insurance, pre-existing conditions meant a waiting period of 1-2 years of you paying premiums before any coverage of any sort kicked in. And, if your employer was like many, your employer-provided plan (over which you had NO SAY in choosing) got changed every year or so under the pretense that the “new plan” was muchly better.

Really, that shit wasn’t all that long ago.

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freetoken  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:19:56pm

People read headlines.

They hear 8 second soundbites.

The point has to be made in 140 characters or thereabout.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:20:39pm

re: #30 FormerDirtDart

To clarify, it’s the assaulted motorist who is facing jail time…

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Power & steroids.

Dangerous for the public.

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freetoken  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:21:00pm

“Senate bill will harm millions of Americans by taking away their healthcare, so the very rich can be even richer”.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:22:51pm

re: #77 freetoken

People read headlines.

They hear 8 second soundbites.

The point has to be made in 140 characters or thereabout.

“Republicans want you to go bankrupt and die to benefit the rich.” Brief messaging point done.

The problem is not just getting the message into 140 characters or less, it’s making it stick.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:27:38pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:28:24pm
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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:29:11pm

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

At @POTUS’ direction, American law enforcement is targeting gangs and criminals like never before. pic.twitter.com

— Vice President Pence

Did Pence have a quota of butt-licking tweets today?

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:29:19pm

re: #53 allegro

Why are Dems not plastering airwaves and ‘net waves with ads saying that Republicans are taking YOUR family’s healthcare and savings? I sure can’t think of a better use of $ and start working to 2018.

There are ads like that running in Ohio put up by AARP. Here is the one I’ve seen.

AARP ad says House GOP health care bill would boost insurance rates for older Americans

Edit…didn’t realize this was a discussion about the ads.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:29:35pm

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:30:14pm

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

At @POTUS’ direction, American law enforcement is targeting gangs and criminals like never before. pic.twitter.com

— Vice President Pence

Potus isn’t “directing” anything: he’s tweeting and moaning and going to rallies for himself.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:32:04pm

re: #85 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Jeff Furlington @FurlingtonJeff
.@VP Stop puffing up this narcissistic, senile, justice-obstructing @POTUS
3:29 PM - 22 Jun 2017

Advice to the theocratic, lying, narcissistic, justice-obstructing VPOTUS?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:32:11pm

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

At @POTUS’ direction, American law enforcement is targeting gangs and criminals like never before. pic.twitter.com

— Vice President Pence

Somebody’s warning up the base for when DJT ultimately has to step aside “for his health”.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:32:45pm

re: #87 Hecuba’s daughter

Advice to the theocratic, lying, narcissistic, justice-obstructing VPOTUS?

More for anyone else who’s watching.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:32:52pm
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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:32:56pm

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

Casey getting saucey.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:33:38pm

re: #90 Backwoods_Sleuth

At @POTUS’ direction, American law enforcement is targeting gangs and criminals like never before. pic.twitter.com

— Vice President Pence

Have you met with your lawyer today, Pence?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:33:39pm

re: #91 Sir John Barron

Casey getting saucey.

That entire thread of his is a keeper.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:33:45pm

re: #88 Sir John Barron

Somebody’s warning up the base for when DJT ultimately has to step aside “for his health”.

He needed to step away from the junk-food 40-years ago for his health.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:34:22pm

re: #74 ObserverArt

Nice try. I agree, but then I am a damn naive optimist. No amount of reasonable thinking of what might be really going on is going to prevent those that want to wallow in the doom from finding evidence that supports that doom.

Even the old adage popularized by Mark Twain: “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics” will not help.

What gets me is many are calling for the Democratic party to toughen up. I wonder when the people that make up the party base will toughen up and do what the Republicans do. That would be to “damn the torpedoes…full speed ahead.”

I like this idea from the Rudepundit

So there is a space for Democrats to creatively show the effects of a bill that quite simply takes money from the poor, the elderly, the addicted, and the sick and gives it to the very wealthy in the form of a tax cut. That’s an easy ad right there: Rich people saunter into a doctor’s office and rob a bunch of ill people in the waiting room, leaving them dying and sicker, only without hope of seeing a doctor.

Or how about a real death panel: a row of wealthy people behind a table, making a decision on whether or not each suffering poor person deserves help. Is it over the top? Yeah. That’s the fucking point. Subtlety and well-reasoned arguments aren’t going to win here because people don’t respond to that. They respond to a rich puke punching Gramps in the balls until he hands over his wallet.

Enough with the calm, rational discussions. Enough with the speeches. Go for their throats with an emotional appeal. And that means crying people who would lose health care and the image of the uncaring Republican, ready to intentionally inflict more pain.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:34:30pm

re: #90 Backwoods_Sleuth

At @POTUS’ direction, American law enforcement is targeting gangs and criminals like never before. pic.twitter.com

— Vice President Pence

You mean LE is now targeting Trump?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:36:04pm

re: #90 Backwoods_Sleuth

At @POTUS’ direction, American law enforcement is targeting gangs and criminals like never before. pic.twitter.com

— Vice President Pence

I have a feeling this tweet will not age well.

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Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:36:59pm

We should take a moment to remember that there are victims in the Russia scandal: The careers of numerous White House staffers.

///

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:37:21pm

re: #90 Backwoods_Sleuth

At @POTUS’ direction, American law enforcement is targeting gangs and criminals like never before. pic.twitter.com

— Vice President Pence

Quick, can you name all DJT’s new lawyers? Go.

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gocart mozart  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:37:41pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:39:49pm

re: #61 freetoken

Personally, I don’t care for President Obama’s reply.

The problem we have today in our society, well, one of them, is that people only respond to stronger, more dramatic, statements. Visual and audible.

I’m looking for replies that are less diplomatic, less couched in wishy washy terms.

As the stakes are so high - and changing health care laws will lead to life and death decisions that otherwise would be addressed differently - I think our rhetoric should reflect this.

Keep in mind…he is a Black man. He, like many Blacks had to learn that you can’t raise your voice and show anger to “the man.” He is a part of the past. It also holds for women too…that is why you heard about screaming witch Hillary and her evil cackle. The heated rhetoric is going to have to come from others. Obama is what he is…a nice even-toned reasonable and well-thought-out Black man.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:41:00pm

re: #101 ObserverArt

And yet RWNJ whined about Obama’s supposedly being “angry” anyway. Although Obama had plenty of reasons to be so.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:42:00pm

Has there been a day in this new administration where DJT has not tried to obstruct justice?

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Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:42:31pm

So I pulled up Steam…and my wallet immediately screamed in fear. The Summer Sale is upon us.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:45:26pm

re: #103 Sir John Barron

Has there been a day in this new administration where DJT has not tried to obstruct justice?

Yeah… the very first one, when he was too busy defending his landslide electoral college victory and yuuuuuugest inauguration crowd ever.

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:47:34pm

re: #5 jaunte

The GOP plan does more that completely fuck up Medicare, Medicaid, and Obamacare.

It completely fucks up the employer based coverage for most Americans.

In other words, this isn’t just about the 23 million who will lose their coverage directly because of the GOP assault on the Medicaid/Medicare/Obamacare programs.

They’re attacking employer based coverage for no reason beyond the fact that they’re craven and it helps (but doesn’t completely cover) the cost of massive tax breaks for the rich.

There’s no reason for them to go there. None. They’re doing this with malice aforethought, and it will fuck over nearly 50% of the workforce who have employer based plans. Medicare and Medicaid make up another 35% of the population, 7% nongroup, ~9% are uninsured, and 2% are in other public plans.

So, a GOP that is beyond clueless about how insurance works generally and health care works specifically, have gutted coverage that affects around 35% of the population and undermined coverage of an additional 50% of the population.

That’s 85% right by itself. And more than a few of these people are GOPers who are beyond clueless that their dumbassery has unleashed such a craven outcome that shifts all the burdens to them while the rich get bigger tax breaks.

Fuck ‘em all. Fuck ‘em with a rusty pitchfork. Fuck McCain and Murkowski and Collins who’ll all be like yeah, we have reservations, and then go ahead and vote for this monstrosity anyways. Fuck McConnell for hiding this legislation so that no one can truly rip it to shreds and kill it in a woodchipper where it properly belongs (well, after sprinkling with holy water and burning it, that is).

The GOP didn’t create a health care plan here.

They created a massive redistribution of wealth to the rich from everyone else.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:47:54pm

re: #80 EPR-radar

“Republicans want you to go bankrupt and die to benefit the rich.” Brief messaging point done.

The problem is not just getting the message into 140 characters or less, it’s making it stick.

Stick like a bumper sticker.

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scottslemmons  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:48:25pm

re: #104 Targetpractice

So I pulled up Steam…and my wallet immediately screamed in fear. The Summer Sale is upon us.

On the bright side, the site won’t be reliable for another day or so, which gives you a little more time to build up your willpower. :)

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:49:25pm

“Cache” being two, an AR-15 and a semi-auto handgun. In images both appear to be fitted with what looks like suppressors, though no identified as such in the article. So, they may just be faux suppressor ornamentation

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Charles Johnson  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:50:49pm

LOL! Coal CEO Robert Murray is suing John Oliver for his giant squirrel episode! Man, these right wing rich guys are such special snowflakes.

money.cnn.com

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:52:31pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:53:31pm

re: #106 lawhawk

The GOP plan does more that completely fuck up Medicare, Medicaid, and Obamacare.

It completely fucks up the employer based coverage for most Americans.

In other words, this isn’t just about the 23 million who will lose their coverage directly because of the GOP assault on the Medicaid/Medicare/Obamacare programs.

Fuck ‘em all. Fuck ‘em with a rusty pitchfork. Fuck McCain and Murkowski and Collins who’ll all be like yeah, we have reservations, and then go ahead and vote for this monstrosity anyways. Fuck McConnell for hiding this legislation so that no one can truly rip it to shreds and kill it in a woodchipper where it properly belongs (well, after sprinkling with holy water and burning it, that is).

The GOP didn’t create a health care plan here.

They created a massive redistribution of wealth to the rich from everyone else.

Thanks lawhawk! That is how I see it…and I don’t think many are seeing that the entire health insurance industry just got opened up to be free food for the sharks. This is going to touch everyone unless you are rich enough to afford the top policies. Even some of the people that think they are making good money and laugh at people worried about health insurance might not be laughing soon.

Time for this P’shop again…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:53:50pm

re: #111 wrenchwench

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SKINKS!

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:54:40pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2017 • 1:55:30pm

re: #113 Blind Frog Belly White

SKINKS!

They’re a little wilted. The tweet is 2 days old.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:00:40pm

Just look at this dangerous criminal

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:02:53pm

The single biggest proof that there is no Christian god is that Christians aren’t scared of Him.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:03:51pm

So, while the GOP plots to fuck 24 Million Americans for the benefit of the richest rich people in the history of the world, Democrats are arguing whether we should get rid of one of the most effective legislative leaders we’ve ever had, because the Republicans say we should.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:03:51pm

Every so often the fact that the US Federal government is dominated by a pack of vicious thugs lead by a malignant narcissist just hits me like a ton of bricks.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:04:33pm

You may need eye bleach after seeing these:

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:05:28pm

re: #117 Belafon

The single biggest proof that there is no Christian god is that Christians aren’t scared of Him.

I’d pay real money to see the GOP Wealthcare bill get the Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God treatment right from the floor of the Senate.

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gocart mozart  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:05:36pm
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makeitstop  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:06:02pm

re: #120 Dr. Matt

You may need eye bleach after seeing these:

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Aww, man, hide that shit.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:06:33pm

re: #120 Dr. Matt

Dude. Spoiler tag, man.

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:08:21pm

re: #116 The Vicious Babushka

Just look at this dangerous criminal

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Another one!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:08:38pm

re: #119 EPR-radar

Every so often the fact that the US Federal government is dominated by a pack of vicious thugs lead by a malignant narcissist just hits me like a ton of bricks.

And the crazy thing is, they got elected despite a majority of Americans opposing most of their policies. And they’ll probably get reelected, too.

Meanwhile, my idiot sister is arguing with my stating that if we want to win, we need to stop the ‘My vote must be earned!’ bullshit.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:10:31pm
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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:11:01pm

re: #125 wrenchwench

Looking quick, I thought that was Steven Tyler from Aerosmith….

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gocart mozart  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:13:08pm
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makeitstop  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:13:48pm

re: #128 lawhawk

Looking quick, I thought that was Steven Tyler from Aerosmith….

Tyler’s got a Johnny Depp-in-Pirates goatee happening now.

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gocart mozart  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:15:07pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:15:18pm

re: #128 lawhawk

Looking quick, I thought that was Steven Tyler from Aerosmith….

Dream on!

Actually I think it might be a youthful Neil Young

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Charles Johnson  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:15:47pm

re: #120 Dr. Matt

WHY DEAR GOD WHY

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BeachDem  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:18:03pm

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Gawwd—Pence is such a smarmy yam ass-kisser.

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:21:29pm
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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:22:34pm

re: #124 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Dude. Spoiler tag, man.

I don’t know, Man. That right there was some poetry in slumber.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:23:38pm

re: #117 Belafon

The single biggest proof that there is no Christian god is that Christians aren’t scared of Him.

You know that the only thing “true” Christians care about is outlawing abortion. // And that’s what the Trump judicial picks will do. So he is providing them with their deepest wishes

— minor edit

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:25:17pm

I think the images of Porker Trump need to be seen.

We all need to toughen up. That is the enemy and must be seen in a natural state. We can no longer run from the ugly. /

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gocart mozart  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:26:08pm
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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:26:10pm

re: #120 Dr. Matt

‘saved to image library”.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:28:03pm

re: #127 FormerDirtDart

LOL

It seemed so real in the beginning!

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Dave In Austin  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:28:27pm

Just a baby bunny with a cast on it’s leg..

Facebook Post

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Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:31:07pm

Hey WW, I posted this for you this am. Realized after that you were not logged in.

I think you missed it, I’m trying again.

Thinking of you *smooch*

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:33:37pm

re: #143 Stanley Sea

Hey WW, I posted this for you this am. Realized after that you were not logged in.

I think you missed it, I’m trying again.

Thinking of you *smooch*

[Embedded content]

Thank you!

I want to know who his stylist is. Look at those eyebrows with that hair!

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Dave In Austin  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:35:19pm

re: #143 Stanley Sea

Hey WW, I posted this for you this am. Realized after that you were not logged in.

I think you missed it, I’m trying again.

Thinking of you *smooch*

[Embedded content]

This…….

Moniz, a nuclear physicist who has taught at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, already began a study of the U.S. electrical grid that could rival a similar one initiated by his successor, Rick Perry, at the Energy Department. Perry’s review drew criticism from environmentalists and renewable energy advocates because he emphasized the importance of saving struggling coal plants.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:37:44pm
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sagehen  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:42:00pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

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A scale model of that would make an excellent art project. I picture tissue paper and silk flowers for the swirly bits.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:43:29pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:44:49pm

re: #120 Dr. Matt

You may need eye bleach after seeing these:

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I always figured he played with a suit and tie on.

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:46:54pm

re: #148 Stanley Sea

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Collusion! They were all in on it. Proof.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:48:03pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

All that created in just 6,000 years…

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Brian J.  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:51:11pm

re: #59 Interesting Times

Mixed bag. Of course much of it is what needs to be said, but I am so utterly sick to death of this sort of thing:

NO IT ISN’T POSSIBLE. GOPers are too brainwashed and hate-filled and driven by durr hurr, all we care about is tax cuts and making libtards cry!!1!

Also, Democrats are already perceived by non-voters/fickle supporters as being too weak and willing to give in to GOPer demands.

I know it was never in Obama’s character to be harsh, but at the very least he could have couched his statement in more shade-throwing terms instead of falling back on a sad appeal to “bipartisanship” that hasn’t existed since 2008.

That’s going to be Obama’s epitaph… nice guy, kept the economy ticking over, but naive, in love with his own good intentions, and weak, weak, weak.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:53:15pm

Oh not this shit again.

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Brian J.  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:54:06pm

re: #153 Ace Rothstein

Oh not this shit again.

Have you got a substantive counterargument? Obama let the nation be stolen out from under us because it would have been impolite to raise an outcry.

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gocart mozart  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:56:49pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:58:14pm

...

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nines09  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:58:42pm

re: #125 wrenchwench

Another one!

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That is actually all of us. Most of us don’t know it yet.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 22, 2017 • 2:59:49pm

re: #154 Brian J.

Have you got a substantive counterargument? Obama let the nation be stolen out from under us because it would have been impolite to raise an outcry.

Evidence of said theft? No? Then my substantive counterargument is “Eat me.”

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Brian J.  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:01:12pm

re: #158 Ace Rothstein

Evidence of said theft? No? Then my substantive counterargument is “Eat me.”

You really haven’t been paying attention to the Russian exploitation of our electoral systems and their extensive ties to the current occupant of the Oval Office? Or are you a Sandbagger who’s convinced that “Nach Drumpf, Uns?”

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:01:17pm

grab some tissue, allergies should be kicking in any minute now…

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:02:19pm

re: #157 nines09

That is actually all of us. Most of us don’t know it yet.

Yep. If you’re not disabled, you are among the temporarily able. So far.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:02:25pm

re: #153 Ace Rothstein

Oh not this shit again.

I think I’ll go for a walk!

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gocart mozart  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:02:56pm

re: #155 gocart mozart

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MomSense  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:03:27pm

re: #2 MsJ

This man is honestly the dumbest person ever in government, and that includes Bachmann, Goehmert, and King. He just admitted to what he was charged with. Out and out admitted it.

I am at a loss. How did we get here?

Did we get him? Is it over?

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Mike Lamb  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:03:29pm

Some general “catch up comments”:

1. The video of that assault is horrifying. Even if there was some video of the victim driving erratically prior to what is shown int he ACLU clip, nothing justifies that roid rage reaction. The LEO obviously knew there was no weapon involved (otherwise he is 8 types of stupid for charging in as he did). I mean good dog, he didn’t even give the guy an opportunity to comply with his instructions.

2. The argument that healthy people shouldn’t have to pay as much for insurance because they don’t use it is really getting to be grating. Everyone is healthy until they aren’t. Think of it in this context: has anyone ever suggested that safe drivers (say women in their 30’s) should get really shitty auto insurance because they won’t use it?

3. The “Immigrants-4-Trump” tweeter from upthread is a special kind of stupid. Trump “forcing” Comey to tell the truth? Ok. I mean, if you think Comey testifying that Trump is a liar and that he didn’t want to be left alone with him helped the cause, I don’t know what to say.

4. Most of this thread is just straight depressing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:04:00pm

re: #162 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I think I’ll go for a walk!

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nines09  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:05:03pm

re: #161 wrenchwench

Yep. If you’re not disabled, you are among the temporarily able. So far.

Makes me crazy. Absolutely crazy. I had a sick kid. I almost lost everything. We lived in fear for years. I think after all we went through I had some form of PT damage. When I could finally breathe, I/we were half drowned.

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Mike Lamb  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:05:38pm

re: #159 Brian J.

You really haven’t been paying attention to the Russian exploitation of our electoral systems and their extensive ties to the current occupant of the Oval Office? Or are you a Sandbagger who’s convinced that “Nach Drumpf, Uns?”

And I’m sure an “outcry” from Obama would have solved everything. Holy shit.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:07:03pm

re: #162 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I think I’ll go for a walk!

It’s shit like this that is why I find myself posting less and less. The militant mindset, the authoritarianism inherent in the “but if they’d just do it my way it would all be fine so clearly everyone else is being idiots” attitude, the lack of tolerance, the desperate need to drag everyone down to the same miserable level and heaven forbid anyone try to nurture hope or optimism of any sort.

There are parts of the community here that I desperately love but I find myself asking more and more if there’s enough here to hold me when other parts are becoming a burden on my health. And that sucks.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:07:45pm

re: #168 Mike Lamb

And I’m sure an “outcry” from Obama would have solved everything. Holy shit.

The Bully Pulpit argument. You know, like we could have had the Public Option if only Obama had used the Bully Pulpit!

Christ, the people who voted for Trump don’t care EVEN NOW that the Russians tried to tilt the election for him. But Obama saying it in the heat of the election season would have worked.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:08:28pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:09:16pm

re: #169 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s shit like this that is why I find myself posting less and less. The militant mindset, the authoritarianism inherent in the “but if they’d just do it my way it would all be fine so clearly everyone else is being idiots” attitude, the lack of tolerance, the desperate need to drag everyone down to the same miserable level and heaven forbid anyone try to nurture hope or optimism of any sort.

There are parts of the community here that I desperately love but I find myself asking more and more if there’s enough here to hold me when other parts are becoming a burden on my health. And that sucks.

I detect a crafting deficit.

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scottslemmons  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:09:23pm

re: #171 FormerDirtDart

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They’re going to ask about the pizza restaurant, aren’t they.

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piratedan  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:10:13pm

re: #171 FormerDirtDart

obvious bias being demonstrated there by actually talking to a Democrat about anything

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:10:49pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

I detect a crafting deficit.

Probably.

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Brian J.  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:10:50pm

re: #170 Blind Frog Belly White

The Bully Pulpit argument. You know, like we could have had the Public Option if only Obama had used the Bully Pulpit!

Christ, the people who voted for Trump don’t care EVEN NOW that the Russians tried to tilt the election for him. But Obama saying it in the heat of the election season would have worked.

It would have likely worked on enough people to swing the result, and more importantly would have exposed the plotters so that they couldn’t fool the unwary. But no.

The Democrats will need to get a lot more aggressive to win a national majority again, and that includes with their own. Tim Ryan and Seth Moulton, along with their obvious inspiration in the junior Senator from Vermont, should all have been expelled from the caucus by now for their reckless and mindless assault on Pelosi. But no.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:11:48pm

So what do we call the pro-Clinton version of a Bernie Bro?

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:11:55pm

re: #175 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Probably.

[I got one in the ‘drafts’ file.] [Not a ‘craft’.]

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nines09  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:13:35pm

re: #161 wrenchwench

And you know all too well how fast your world can change. I’ve lurked and was happy to see you are back up and riding.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:14:03pm

re: #176 Brian J.

It would have likely worked on enough people to swing the result, and more importantly would have exposed the plotters so that they couldn’t fool the unwary. But no.

The Democrats will need to get a lot more aggressive to win a national majority again, and that includes with their own. Tim Ryan and Seth Moulton, along with their obvious inspiration in the junior Senator from Vermont, should all have been expelled from the caucus by now for their reckless and mindless assault on Pelosi. But no.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!

(gasp)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:15:16pm

re: #177 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So what do we call the pro-Clinton version of a Bernie Bro?

A Hissy.

Cross between ‘Hillary’ and ‘Sissy’ (‘western’ for ‘sister’)

Plus the snake aspect.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:15:18pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:16:47pm

re: #181 wrenchwench

A Hissy.

Cross between ‘Hillary’ and ‘Sissy’ (‘western’ for ‘sister’)

Plus the snake aspect.

But I LIKE snakes!

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Dr. Matt  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:18:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:19:08pm

re: #182 Stanley Sea

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Smart move by Ralph. I seem to recall Deeds and Terry Mac distancing themselves from Obama even though Obama won the state both times with over 50% of the vote.

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Mike Lamb  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:19:31pm

re: #176 Brian J.

It would have likely worked on enough people to swing the result, and more importantly would have exposed the plotters so that they couldn’t fool the unwary. But no.

The Democrats will need to get a lot more aggressive to win a national majority again, and that includes with their own. Tim Ryan and Seth Moulton, along with their obvious inspiration in the junior Senator from Vermont, should all have been expelled from the caucus by now for their reckless and mindless assault on Pelosi. But no.

Someone points out that Trump’s supporters don’t care right now about Russia (a statistically verifiable fact) and yet you think it would have swayed the election? Ok.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:19:32pm

re: #168 Mike Lamb

And I’m sure an “outcry” from Obama would have solved everything. Holy shit.

Yes, I want details for this fantasy. Good creative writing is always appreciated.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:19:42pm

re: #177 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So what do we call the pro-Clinton version of a Bernie Bro?

I believe the picture I posted above (not the snake) is a good start.

I mean, the idea that we should exclude people from the caucus who challenge the leadership, when we’re already in the minority. Yeah, that’ll fucking work.

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:20:20pm

re: #179 nines09

And you know all too well how fast your world can change. I’ve lurked and was happy to see you are back up and riding.

I signed up for Obamacare 2 months before I was hit.

I did ride to the P.O. and the bank today, so I have ‘recovered’ from my ‘crash’ of last Saturday.

I realized I’ve been telling people for 30 years that, ‘They say you never forget how to ride a bike.’ And now I find out ‘they’ were wrong.

Anybody got some spare quotation marks? I seem to be running low.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:20:27pm

This fucking asshole is at it again.

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:21:37pm

re: #183 Blind Frog Belly White

But I LIKE snakes!

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That’s perfect! A snake in a pussy hat!

I like snakes, too. They’re almost like relatives.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:21:39pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

This fucking asshole is at it again.

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Stupid asshole.

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darthstar  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:21:45pm

What a shitheel…

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Brian J.  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:22:01pm

re: #186 Mike Lamb

Someone points out that Trump’s supporters don’t care right now about Russia (a statistically verifiable fact) and yet you think it would have swayed the election? Ok.

You wouldn’t have needed all of them, or most of them, or more than the tiniest fraction of them. 1% would have more than sufficed, as would winning back as many of the third-party voters, write-in voters, or nonvoters.

But no. Obama decided to let his legacy be destroyed because that nice man from Kentucky refused to play along.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:22:34pm

re: #176 Brian J.

It would have likely worked on enough people to swing the result, and more importantly would have exposed the plotters so that they couldn’t fool the unwary. But no.

Please rewrite. Suspension of disbelief for this is impossible.

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jaunte  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:23:05pm
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Brian J.  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:25:11pm

re: #195 EPR-radar

Please rewrite. Suspension of disbelief for this is impossible.

As I just posted, you’ve have needed one of every 100 Trump voters. Not all or most. Or an equivalent number of Stein/ Johnson dead-enders.

If there is somehow a happy ending to all of this, Obama will look nice and distinguished in the dock, charged with conspiracy with his successor. If it doesn’t, he’ll look less distinguished in a shallow hole in the ground. And I’m not exaggerating about that last part, and you know it.

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nines09  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:25:34pm

re: #189 wrenchwench

Ok. I was referring to the big accident a while back. You were hit by a car, right? So this one was just some pavement? I hope so.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:26:21pm

Obama had to choose his words carefully. The only way to stop this travesty from becoming law is by persuading 3 Republicans to vote the right way. It’s hard to persuade people if you demonize them. Of course, it probably won’t be successful, but let’s wait and see. My mother always said you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

I wrote postcards to the 3 “moderates” (Susan, Lisa, Rob) asking for their consideration. You never know what might work. Maybe if they heard from enough people, they will do what is right.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:28:24pm

re: #194 Brian J.

You wouldn’t have needed all of them, or most of them, or more than the tiniest fraction of them. 1% would have more than sufficed, as would winning back as many of the third-party voters, write-in voters, or nonvoters.

But no. Obama decided to let his legacy be destroyed because that nice man from Kentucky refused to play along.

Your faith in the ability of President Obama to have set this narrative for such revelations is touching. The Republicans would have freaked out (of course) and most in the main stream media would have gone with a “Desperate Obama edges toward a coup to nullify expected election loss of weak candidate Hillary” narrative. It’s impossible to say how it would have played out.

There was (and is) no magic bullet for this shit. tr*mp is just a symptom. The problem is that the Republican party is a party of hateful bigots and this can be made to do very well in US elections.

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Brian J.  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:29:31pm

re: #199 Hecuba’s daughter

Obama had to choose his words carefully. The only way to stop this travesty from becoming law is by persuading 3 Republicans to vote the right way. It’s hard to persuade people if you demonize them. Of course, it probably won’t be successful, but let’s wait and see. My mother always said you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Assumes facts not in evidence, and never in evidence. The Republicans were in total lock-step opposition to him from day one, and suddenly they’re going to reverse that strategy after 8 1/2 years of continuous success?

And the protest at the airport is pointless, too. The only thing that mattered was the ballot box last November 8th. Maybe they’ll remember that next time instead of seeking purity or the ultimate leftism.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:29:54pm

My brother - surprisingly, NOT the idiot - just said on Facebook that Pelosi is ” too tied to the old-line corporatist party establishment.”

Sure, that’s why the GOP can use her picture in fundraising, because she’s so tied to the corporatists.

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Brian J.  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:30:40pm

re: #200 EPR-radar

Your faith in the ability of President Obama to have set this narrative for such revelations is touching. The Republicans would have freaked out (of course) and most in the main stream media would have gone with a “Desperate Obama edges toward a coup to nullify expected election loss of weak candidate Hillary” narrative. It’s impossible to say how it would have played out.

That’s a risk, but with the imprimatur of this nation’s intelligence services, it’d be a lot harder to dismiss that way, certainly for the MSM.

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:34:09pm

re: #198 nines09

Ok. I was referring to the big accident a while back. You were hit by a car, right? So this one was just some pavement? I hope so.

Sorry for the confusion (No shortage on that score.) Yeah, hit as a pedestrian 2 and a half years ago. Never had trouble as a cyclist, but I can’t risk another brain hit, so I wear a big goofy helmet with the biggest available mirror on it. Just like when I was seven (I was a late-learner), starting and stopping are the most difficult. Starting on an uphill is the hardest. I was on an uphill and didn’t make a shift. I stopped, and straddled the bike to rotate the pedals to make the shift, and I fell over. No blood, a few bruises and some embarrassment (mixed with gratitude) as the car full of witnesses asked repeatedly, ‘Are you OK?’ Balance issues, and lack of recent practice.

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freetoken  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:34:16pm

When there is no accountability, there is little reason to believe intricate, suggestive but not explicit, eruditions of policy will make elected officials change their minds.

The only thing that changes minds is whether one can be re-elected or not.

As long as the Republicans think they can get re-elected, they’ll do whatever they want.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:34:18pm

re: #202 Blind Frog Belly White

My brother - surprisingly, NOT the idiot - just said on Facebook that Pelosi is ” too tied to the old-line corporatist party establishment.”

Sure, that’s why the GOP can use her picture in fundraising, because she’s so tied to the corporatists.

That charge vs. Pelosi is most likely bullshit. That said, the Democratic party needs to figure out what its message is going to be on economic issues, and it would sure be nice if that message included opposing the plutocracy in meaningful ways. The most obnoxious of the BernieBros can pound sand, but income inequality, class warfare etc. cannot be dismissed.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:36:54pm

re: #197 Brian J.

As I just posted, you’ve have needed one of every 100 Trump voters. Not all or most. Or an equivalent number of Stein/ Johnson dead-enders.

If there is somehow a happy ending to all of this, Obama will look nice and distinguished in the dock, charged with conspiracy with his successor. If it doesn’t, he’ll look less distinguished in a shallow hole in the ground. And I’m not exaggerating about that last part, and you know it.

Down ding for the really offensive shit I bolded.

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freetoken  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:37:23pm

There are no independent statesmen among the current Republican Senators, that I can recall.

Sasse maybe, but he’s yet to be tested.

The very atavistic, theocratic ideologues are steering the Republican ship, and almost all Republicans are willing to go along with that, or at least not fight it.

And even Sasse is a theocrat, if not a particularly sour one that most are.

The Arizona Senators one would think would be the most likely to bolt on this healthcare thing, given the large number of retirees in the state. But even they may bow to the majority in their own party.

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Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:37:25pm

re: #202 Blind Frog Belly White

My brother - surprisingly, NOT the idiot - just said on Facebook that Pelosi is ” too tied to the old-line corporatist party establishment.”

Sure, that’s why the GOP can use her picture in fundraising, because she’s so tied to the corporatists.

Anybody who thinks Pelosi needs to go should first find somebody they think could run the party better than her. And anybody who says we need “new blood” or whatever phrase they choose to use but worship at the altar of Bernie can go fuck themselves.

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Brian J.  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:38:23pm

re: #208 EPR-radar

Down ding for the really offensive shit I bolded.

Concealing evidence of a crime that you know is occurring falls within the legal definition of conspiracy. Sorry if that offends.

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:39:06pm

re: #208 EPR-radar

Down ding for the really offensive shit I bolded.

Downding is not sufficient for the following sentence, but I hesitate to feed the troll. They seem to like ‘fuck you’ as often as they can get some.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:39:46pm

re: #211 Brian J.

Assumes facts not in evidence. Provide proof Obama was in on it.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:40:31pm

re: #212 wrenchwench

Downding is not sufficient for the following sentence, but I hesitate to feed the troll. They seem to like ‘fuck you’ as often as they can get some.

The Report button is nice and shiny.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:41:13pm

re: #210 Targetpractice

Anybody who thinks Pelosi needs to go should first find somebody they think could run the party better than her. And anybody who says we need “new blood” or whatever phrase they choose to use but worship at the altar of Bernie can go fuck themselves.

We need new blood, like this 75 year old guy who’s managed to get fuck all done in 30 years!

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:42:16pm

re: #214 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The Report button is nice and shiny.

All the handy tools! Plus, I have to remember that enough downdings can make a comment disappear.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:42:42pm

re: #205 wrenchwench

Whew…. Balance is such a tricky and very individual thing. Can’t really teach it or study it. Very internal thing to improve.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:43:20pm

re: #216 wrenchwench

All the handy tools! Plus, I have to remember that enough downdings can make a comment disappear.

As you know, I hesitate to downding, and I think I’ve only used the Report button all of maybe twice in my LGF career. I’m not nearly as much of a negative Nancy online as I am at work.

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Brian J.  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:44:54pm

re: #213 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Assumes facts not in evidence. Provide proof Obama was in on it.

I didn’t say he was in on it. I said that he knew about it and said nothing. While it’s possible he was in on it, I don’t really think that can be true unless he rally had that much of a grudge toward Hillary (although David Axelrod clearly did and does have such a grudge, so it’s not impossible).

And this point of view is not one isolated to me:

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calochortus  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:46:29pm

re: #219 Brian J.

Hindsight is 20/20

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:46:29pm

re: #217 Unshaken Defiance

Whew…. Balance is such a tricky and very individual thing. Can’t really teach it or study it. Very internal thing to improve.

I think the malfunctioning part is the vestibular system. I get dizzy just trying to read the Wiki article! They have a rotating diagram I can’t watch.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:46:35pm

re: #211 Brian J.

Concealing evidence of a crime that you know is occurring falls within the legal definition of conspiracy. Sorry if that offends.

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nines09  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:46:42pm

re: #205 wrenchwench

Ah. I knew you had a bad one, my details wrong. Gears got me a few times but I was much younger. I think about riding, but around here I would be taking my life in my hands, even though I’m on a Pa Bike Trail area. I had to stop playing ice hockey a number of years ago after going into the boards a few times. That’ll wake you up. I miss the ice and the feeling of the air and crunch of the ice, as you burn through a corner. If I cannot skate fast, I lose interest. Speed. That is me on a bike. Dead man pedaling.
Balance is everything. Everything.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:47:14pm

re: #216 wrenchwench

All the handy tools! Plus, I have to remember that enough downdings can make a comment disappear.

I got to be #10 this time, hiding the offensive post.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:47:17pm

re: #202 Blind Frog Belly White

My brother - surprisingly, NOT the idiot - just said on Facebook that Pelosi is ” too tied to the old-line corporatist party establishment.”

Sure, that’s why the GOP can use her picture in fundraising, because she’s so tied to the corporatists.

It’s becaus SAN FRANCISCO. I’m old enough to remember when lefties were thrlilled that she was made part of the leadership.

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freetoken  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:50:04pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

It’s amazing. Out here in California, we’re one of the few states in the country that have totally neutralized the atavistic GOP. Yet somehow one of California’s leading politicians is the reason why Republicans are winning elsewhere.

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William Lewis  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:50:08pm

re: #176 Brian J.

You have a very rich fantasy life.

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:51:55pm

re: #223 nines09

Ah. I knew you had a bad one, my details wrong. Gears got me a few times but I was much younger. I think about riding, but around here I would be taking my life in my hands, even though I’m on a Pa Bike Trail area. I had to stop playing ice hockey a number of years ago after going into the boards a few times. That’ll wake up up. I miss the ice and the feeling of the air and crunch of the ice, as you burn through a corner. If I cannot skate fast, I lose interest. Speed. That is me on a bike. Dead man pedaling.
Balance is everything. Everything.

I’ve ice skated twice. I’ve skied twice. I’ve biked across the country and down the (Oregon) coast. You can forget anything. Bike trails are dangerous. I gotta go fix a bike. I’ll shut up now.

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nines09  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:53:14pm

re: #228 wrenchwench

Get back to work. Take care.

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freetoken  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:53:57pm

I still think some large fraction of this country just can’t handle a woman in power.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:55:13pm

re: #230 freetoken

I think you’re right.

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allegro  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:55:17pm

If the Russia hacking stuff was concealed how did we all know about it before the election? How did Trump’s Russia connection become a thing in the debates? (“No puppet. You’re the puppet.”) And when did concealing information of a suspected (not proven yet) crime from the press/public by an official become a crime?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:55:34pm

re: #230 freetoken

I still think some large fraction of this country just can’t handle a woman in power.

Mrs. Fish tried to play devil’s advocate once, saying that a Republican might be the first woman President. I can’t seem to get through to her how thoroughly sexist and racist the current Republican Party is. They only chose Sarah Palin to silence the doubters, and it didn’t even work for them anyway. It will be a cold day in hell before a woman, black, Asian, Indian, or anyone other than a rich fat old white guy is on the power ticket for the GOP, unless the whole party is destroyed and rebuilt from the ground up.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:56:34pm

Don’t we have ‘murican charcoal?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:56:53pm

re: #232 allegro

If the Russia hacking stuff was concealed how did we all know about it before the election? How did Trump’s Russia connection become a thing in the debates? (“No puppet. You’re the puppet.”) And when did concealing information of a suspected (not proven yet) crime from the press/public by an official become a crime?

Not to mention that it might have been a crime for Obama to reveal what he knew, if the information was classified. Like, say, if there’s an ongoing investigation into the matter…

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:57:29pm

re: #220 calochortus

Hindsight is 20/20

Especially since it remains very unclear what will end up getting proven with respect to tr*mp, the Republicans and the Russians.

1) If rock solid proof of this shit was available months before the election, we would have seen it by now. Therefore that didn’t exist at that time.

2) Therefore, anything that could have been released by the Obama administration before the election would have amounted only to more or less vague corroboration of stories that were already in circulation before the election. Nobody who paid attention was surprised by ‘Russians everywhere’ once tr*mp took office.

3) It’s impossible to see how providing such inevitably vague corroboration of the tr*mp/Russia stuff before the election would outweigh the massive downside of the outgoing Obama administration appearing to blatantly interfere in the election.

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nines09  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:58:47pm

I’ll just drop this here……………The Great White Dope

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:59:08pm

Trying and failing to come up with some clever quip or excuse for this, so I will just be blunt. I have had this earworm for weeks now and I would like to share it with you all.

Flamin Groovies - Have You Seen My Baby

“I said please don’t talk to strangers, baby
But you always do
She said I’ll talk to strangers
If I want to
I’m a stranger too”

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 3:59:12pm

re: #219 Brian J.

I didn’t say he was in on it. I said that he knew about it and said nothing. While it’s possible he was in on it, I don’t really think that can be true unless he rally had that much of a grudge toward Hillary (although David Axelrod clearly did and does have such a grudge, so it’s not impossible).

And this point of view is not one isolated to me:

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He said nothing to the public. We know he talked to lawmakers, and had people looking into it. The question is also: how much did we know before the election, versus now?

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:00:45pm

re: #233 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Mrs. Fish tried to play devil’s advocate once, saying that a Republican might be the first woman President. I can’t seem to get through to her how thoroughly sexist and racist the current Republican Party is. They only chose Sarah Palin to silence the doubters, and it didn’t even work for them anyway. It will be a cold day in hell before a woman, black, Asian, Indian, or anyone other than a rich fat old white guy is on the power ticket for the GOP, unless the whole party is destroyed and rebuilt from the ground up.

It took Republicans 16 years after the Democrats to nominate a woman for VP to try to influence the election. So, it will be roughly 2032 before they nominate a viable woman candidate for president.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:01:07pm

re: #221 wrenchwench

I think the malfunctioning part is the vestibular system. I get dizzy just trying to read the Wiki article! They have a rotating diagram I can’t watch.

My guy tried all the sensible non invasive stuff like laying on a 3d tilt table with a VR kinda headset on.

I think it’s “habituation” (their term from vestib. therapy) or simply practice. Brain keeps making new connections. Very satisfying experience imo.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:02:14pm

re: #203 Brian J.

That’s a risk, but with the imprimatur of this nation’s intelligence services, it’d be a lot harder to dismiss that way, certainly for the MSM.

Death Panels.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:06:43pm

re: #234 Stanley Sea

Don’t we have ‘murican charcoal?

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That’s the good stuff. You can buy big bags of it in the Valley for a couple of bucks apeice.

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freetoken  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:12:00pm

One thing that does bother me a bit is that while creationists remain a fairly steady fraction of the American electorate, many young people are being attracted to a form of secular hate-right that is decidedly moving away from Evangelicalism/Fundamentalist Christianity.

Some of this may be seen as simply opportunistic gold mining - CCJ being an easy example. There are the likes of Milo… oh, let’s not forget our Executive Dogmatist, Bannon.

These folk are wedded to the hate-industry, and are not going to limit themselves to the “Jesus” tag.

I have a couple of these in my Facebook stream. Secular hard right types, quite fine with police killing black Americans, etc. Quite disturbing.

This is why I tend to like people who stress humanism, over atheism. Though I think the creationists are quite in error, I think even more important to my life and everyone else’s is that we learn to be more cooperative, more willing to create a society that nurtures, and not destroy.

Simply fighting creationists is not enough. The need for which religion was invented still needs addressing.

So, as a possible antidote to our current political/social dilemma, I’d like to see a new humanist movement take root, where an acceptance of what life is like, and has to be like, in the 21st century takes preeminence.

We have to learn globally and locally how to get along better.

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nines09  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:12:58pm

re: #193 darthstar

Dick-O-Rama Mobile Cart.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:15:17pm

I usually loathe analogies of politics to sports, because one is serious business and the other is entertainment. However, there are exceptions, like this work of art from a DailyKos commenter:

You’re assuming the other not-quite-half of ‘Murica is operating at the same level of reality. That assumption can’t be made. You’re also assuming enough people think of elections as something more than a sportsball game, and for too many, that’s just simply not true. Their team won. It doesn’t matter if they let the air out of the ball, the quarterback’s a rapist, and the entire defensive line is up on charges of assault. They got the ball to the end zone, and the cheerleaders wear short skirts and oh, by the way, their car is on fire in the parking lot and their daughter’s been mortally wounded by broken glass, but it was all worth it because the other team’s guys looked sad on the way out of the stadium.

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MsJ  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:16:04pm

re: #239 Belafon

He said nothing to the public. We know he talked to lawmakers, and had people looking into it. The question is also: how much did we know before the election, versus now?

Had he said anything without ironclad proof he would have been lambasted as a political hack trying to get Hillary elected. Without that ironclad proof, Hillary would have lost the popular vote by a wide margin because people would have looked at this as nothing more than a political stunt.

I can’t imagine anyone who could possibly think this would have been a good idea.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:18:44pm

re: #208 EPR-radar

Down ding for the really offensive shit I bolded.

The sentence after that one is some even more really offensive fucked up shit. Really Stinky shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:23:56pm

re: #234 Stanley Sea

Don’t we have ‘murican charcoal?

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That’s because our EPA haz those pesky burdensome environmental air quality regulations…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:29:26pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:31:15pm
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Varek Raith  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:33:44pm

Hola.

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bratwurst  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:33:52pm

I am not hanging around here much lately because I simply don’t have enough time left on this earth to be in the company of unhinged people.

I don’t like unhinged people on my side of the political spectrum one bit more than those to my right.

Not that everyone has to see the world they way I do, not at all.

However, if you have a point of view that many people find obnoxious and/or just plain crazy…and you keep repeating to those same people over and over, that makes you unhinged…at best.

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ipsos  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:35:41pm

Watching the yam yammering at the WH congressional picnic. All about him (by way of Steve Scalise).

How have we sunk so low?

I’m with the bossman here - I don’t recognize the world I live in anymore.

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ipsos  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:42:21pm

Why the hell am I watching Harold fscking Ford on with Steve Kornacki doing his ratfscking thing against Pelosi as speaker?

Are these people really so brain-dead that they don’t see that the GOP/RWNJ media machine will take anyone leading the Democrats and turn them into Satan incarnate?

Good thing I don’t have anything hard handy to throw at the TV.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:42:24pm

re: #244 freetoken

One thing that does bother me a bit is that while creationists remain a fairly steady fraction of the American electorate, many young people are being attracted to a form of secular hate-right that is decidedly moving away from Evangelicalism/Fundamentalist Christianity.

Some of this may be seen as simply opportunistic gold mining - CCJ being an easy example. There are the likes of Milo… oh, let’s not forget our Executive Dogmatist, Bannon.

These folk are wedded to the hate-industry, and are not going to limit themselves to the “Jesus” tag.

I have a couple of these in my Facebook stream. Secular hard right types, quite fine with police killing black Americans, etc. Quite disturbing.

This is why I tend to like people who stress humanism, over atheism. Though I think the creationists are quite in error, I think even more important to my life and everyone else’s is that we learn to be more cooperative, more willing to create a society that nurtures, and not destroy.

Simply fighting creationists is not enough. The need for which religion was invented still needs addressing.

So, as a possible antidote to our current political/social dilemma, I’d like to see a new humanist movement take root, where an acceptance of what life is like, and has to be like, in the 21st century takes preeminence.

We have to learn globally and locally how to get along better.

We’re between messiahs at the moment. The next one will have to be great at Twitter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:43:13pm

re: #251 The Vicious Babushka

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:48:45pm

re: #254 ipsos

Watching the yam yammering at the WH congressional picnic. All about him (by way of Steve Scalise).

It’s like that Purple Heart…and his personal Vietnam…he wants the glory without any of the icky inconvenience…

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:49:52pm

re: #256 Decatur Deb

We’re between messiahs at the moment. The next one will have to be great at Twitter.

Gus!

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Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:50:22pm

re: #259 wrenchwench

Gus!

I’ll get the nails.

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wrenchwench  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:51:12pm

re: #260 Decatur Deb

I’ll get the nails.

Uh-oh. Wait a sec. Sorry Gus.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:53:18pm

And the mob cried out: “Unfriend him!!”

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ipsos  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:53:29pm

re: #261 wrenchwench

He’s not the messiah! He’s just a naughty twitterer!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:53:41pm

The leading edge of the TSCindy remnants have arrived in The Backwoods.
It’s a lovely gentle rainfall that one can walk in without getting drenched.

Next wave is a’coming and NWS has already issued a flash flood watch starting at 2 am.

What fun!!!/////

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Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:54:58pm

re: #264 Backwoods_Sleuth

The leading edge of the TSCindy remnants have arrived in The Backwoods.
It’s a lovely gentle rainfall that one can walk in without getting drenched.

Next wave is a’coming and NWS has already issued a flash flood watch starting at 2 am.

What fun!!!/////

Had the likely last storm of its NE quadrant bands about an hour ago.

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teleskiguy  Jun 22, 2017 • 4:59:33pm

This thread. What. The. Fuck.

Brian J., I got you a snack…

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allegro  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:00:45pm

re: #264 Backwoods_Sleuth

The leading edge of the TSCindy remnants have arrived in The Backwoods.
It’s a lovely gentle rainfall that one can walk in without getting drenched.

Next wave is a’coming and NWS has already issued a flash flood watch starting at 2 am.

What fun!!!/////

She started slopping on us here about 2:30am. Just a good drenching rain and little spitty stuff off and on today. Never even heard a clap of thunder. And I have a whole carton of ice cream there for nervous noshing that never got noshed.

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Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:01:40pm

re: #120 Dr. Matt

You may need eye bleach after seeing these:

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DO NOT WANT!!!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:01:45pm

re: #259 wrenchwench

Gus!

I wish Gus would post here still. I don’t do Twitter so I don’t “see” him around like y’all do. A lot of his points are right on.

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gocart mozart  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:02:35pm

re: #197 Brian J.

If there is somehow a happy ending to all of this, Obama will look nice and distinguished in the dock, charged with conspiracy with his successor. If it doesn’t, he’ll look less distinguished in a shallow hole in the ground. And I’m not exaggerating about that last part, and you know it.

I think this fucking asshole should be banned.

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freetoken  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:03:00pm

Aha, the earth is flat!

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:03:38pm

re: #267 allegro

She started slopping on us here about 2:30am. Just a good drenching rain and little spitty stuff off and on today. Never even heard a clap of thunder. And I have a whole carton of ice cream there for nervous noshing that never got noshed.

Ice cream doesn’t keep very long if it’s in a frost-free freezer. Better eat it quickly.

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teleskiguy  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:04:26pm

Not enough airhorn!

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Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:05:14pm

re: #270 gocart mozart

I think this fucking asshole should be banned.

Let a hundred flowers blog.

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allegro  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:05:24pm

re: #272 EPR-radar

Ice cream doesn’t keep very long if it’s in a frost-free freezer.

Hahaha if you saw my freezer you’d know it wasn’t frost free. I could replenish a good chunk of the Arctic.

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majii  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:07:23pm

re: #220 calochortus

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:10:03pm

re: #260 Decatur Deb

I’ll get the nails.

The next messiah will be shot, probably helping immigrants cross the border.

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Brian J.  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:10:15pm

re: #260 Decatur Deb

I’ll get the nails.

As far as I can tell, we agree 90% of the time. So why am I to be ostracized and not celebrated? Because I take the logical chain concerning Russian interference in the 2016 elections to a place where you’re not comfortable?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:11:29pm

*YAWN*

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allegro  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:12:19pm

Someone has a serious reading comprehension problem. Of course that would be the least of the problems.

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majii  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:12:57pm

re: #247 MsJ

I was late getting to the previous post where I read about the loss of your precious four-legged baby. You have my sincere condolences. It’s never easy when one loses a family member, which I’m sure she was.

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teleskiguy  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:13:07pm

re: #278 Brian J.

Why should we take you seriously, you fuckin’ momo? You say our former president is going to end up in a shallow grave because reasons and conspiracy. Fuck off and die in a fire.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:13:25pm

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

*YAWN*

I was thinking more along the lines of GAZE, but I’m pretty sure yours works, too.

Gamey buttocks, anyone? Tonight is mesquite smoked.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:13:48pm

re: #283 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I was thinking more along the lines of GAZE, but I’m pretty sure yours works, too.

Gamey buttocks, anyone? Tonight is mesquite smoked.

I’m on a diet dude.

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gocart mozart  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:14:22pm

re: #282 teleskiguy

I second the motion.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:14:23pm

re: #283 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I was thinking more along the lines of GAZE, but I’m pretty sure yours works, too.

Gamey buttocks, anyone? Tonight is mesquite smoked.

Which Monty Python episode is that?

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Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:14:57pm

re: #278 Brian J.

As far as I can tell, we agree 90% of the time. So why am I to be ostracized and not celebrated? Because I take the logical chain concerning Russian interference in the 2016 elections to a place where you’re not comfortable?

The reference in #260 was to Freetoken’s proposition that we need a new humanist religious revolutionary. In fact, my position on your outrage was #274—“Let a hundred flowers blog.”

(And where I come from, 90% agreement buys you an auto-da-fe.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:15:57pm

re: #283 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I was thinking more along the lines of GAZE, but I’m pretty sure yours works, too.

Gamey buttocks, anyone? Tonight is mesquite smoked.

It’s the same response I had yesterday with the other troll-lo-lo-ler.
BTW, neither are here at the same time but seem to follow each other’s appearance the last couple of days, like a demented tag team or something…

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teleskiguy  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:16:39pm

Going into lurk mode. It’s too bad one jagoff can make this place kind of unbearable.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:16:51pm

re: #284 HappyWarrior

I’m on a diet dude.

So am I, but to hell with it, there are some things that are too tasty to pass up.

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freetoken  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:16:57pm

The birth of writing, from the very beginning of the world!!!

Inscriptions showing early hieroglyphic writing discovered at site south of Luxor

An archaeological mission from Yale University has discovered a new rock inscription site near the village of El-Khawy near Luxor, during their excavation work on the Elkab Desert Survey Project in collaboration with the Ministry of Antiquities.

The inscriptions range in date from the early Predynastic Period, which spanned approx. 4,000 to 3,500 BC, through to the Old Kingdom (approx. 2,686 BC to 2181 BC).

[…]

Probably carved by Methuselah or one of those cats.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:17:07pm
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Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:17:16pm

re: #289 teleskiguy

Going into lurk mode. It’s too bad one jagoff can make this place kind of unbearable.

I love it when you talk Pittsburgh.

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teleskiguy  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:17:56pm

re: #293 Decatur Deb

I love it when you talk Pittsburgh.

My father was born in Pittsburgh!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:17:59pm

re: #289 teleskiguy

Going into lurk mode. It’s too bad one jagoff can make this place kind of unbearable.

I agree, but I’ve found scrolling past it starts to come easier and easier the more involved I get in troll threads. If I’ve been gone for a while, though, it’s a bit jarring to jump back and suddenly have my pristine timeline soiled by a Rage Furby-like dump on the floor.

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calochortus  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:18:15pm

re: #276 majii

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:18:22pm

re: #290 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

So am I, but to hell with it, there are some things that are too tasty to pass up.

Heh true.

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allegro  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:18:57pm

re: #291 freetoken

The birth of writing, from the very beginning of the world!!!

Inscriptions showing early hieroglyphic writing discovered at site south of Luxor

Probably carved by Methuselah or one of those cats.

For a good time, call Agaheptop.

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calochortus  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:19:40pm

re: #289 teleskiguy

Going into lurk mode. It’s too bad one jagoff can make this place kind of unbearable.

Or you could ignore him.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:19:48pm

re: #209 freetoken

There are no independent statesmen among the current Republican Senators, that I can recall.

Sasse maybe, but he’s yet to be tested.

The very atavistic, theocratic ideologues are steering the Republican ship, and almost all Republicans are willing to go along with that, or at least not fight it.

And even Sasse is a theocrat, if not a particularly sour one that most are.

The Arizona Senators one would think would be the most likely to bolt on this healthcare thing, given the large number of retirees in the state. But even they may bow to the majority in their own party.

Sasse is my senator, so time to fire up my telephone. (His staff called me back over my last call, so I might now be off his “blocked Democrats” list.)

Also a postcard for him and Deb Fischer.

I don’t know about Senator Fischer, but Senator Sasse has to know how this will affect rural hospitals in our state. (It’ll close them.) The majority of people in the state live in rural areas. That might be worth something.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:20:46pm

re: #300 Anymouse 🌹

Sasse is my senator, so time to fire up my telephone. (His staff called me back over my last call, so I might now be off his “blocked Democrats” list.)

Also a postcard for him and Deb Fischer.

I don’t know about Senator Fischer, but Senator Sasse has to know how this will affect rural hospitals in our state. (It’ll close them.) The majority of people in the state live in rural areas. That might be worth something.

You should definitely mention that.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:21:23pm

re: #297 HappyWarrior

Heh true.

My weekend, in order:

1) Today - had pad thai for lunch on the company, then Mrs. Fish brought home McDonald’s. Calorie count blown to hell.
2) Tomorrow night - date night at the local cafe with Mrs. Fish (automatically torpedoes any diet plans… pretty much can’t eat anything for the rest of the day up until then if I want to keep my calorie count)
3) Saturday - town festival. I may not have mentioned this, but my town is a German Catholic town. So the yearly town festival is… wait for it… sausage, barbecue, and beer. Yup.
4) Sunday - another shift at church, which means breakfast out, and then it’s Doctor Who night with Mrs. Fish, which implies junk food and booze.

Needless to say, if I can get to Monday without gaining any pounds, I’ll be pleased as punch.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:22:37pm
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Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:22:48pm

re: #302 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

My weekend, in order:

1) Today - had pad thai for lunch on the company, then Mrs. Fish brought home McDonald’s. Calorie count blown to hell.
2) Tomorrow night - date night at the local cafe with Mrs. Fish (automatically torpedoes any diet plans… pretty much can’t eat anything for the rest of the day up until then if I want to keep my calorie count)
3) Saturday - town festival. I may not have mentioned this, but my town is a German Catholic town. So the yearly town festival is… wait for it… sausage, barbecue, and beer. Yup.
4) Sunday - another shift at church, which means breakfast out, and then it’s Doctor Who night with Mrs. Fish, which implies junk food and booze.

Needless to say, if I can get to Monday without gaining any pounds, I’ll be pleased as punch.

Looks like your best hope is a strict Advent.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:23:19pm

re: #302 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

My weekend, in order:

1) Today - had pad thai for lunch on the company, then Mrs. Fish brought home McDonald’s. Calorie count blown to hell.
2) Tomorrow night - date night at the local cafe with Mrs. Fish (automatically torpedoes any diet plans… pretty much can’t eat anything for the rest of the day up until then if I want to keep my calorie count)
3) Saturday - town festival. I may not have mentioned this, but my town is a German Catholic town. So the yearly town festival is… wait for it… sausage, barbecue, and beer. Yup.
4) Sunday - another shift at church, which means breakfast out, and then it’s Doctor Who night with Mrs. Fish, which implies junk food and booze.

Needless to say, if I can get to Monday without gaining any pounds, I’ll be pleased as punch.

And we’ve got fourth of July coming up too. But yeah I was doing great this week until we had fajitas from my favortie Tex-Mex place tonight. All good though. I’ve been doing laps at the pool.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:23:44pm

re: #244 freetoken

Quoting one section of your post 244:

This is why I tend to like people who stress humanism, over atheism. Though I think the creationists are quite in error, I think even more important to my life and everyone else’s is that we learn to be more cooperative, more willing to create a society that nurtures, and not destroy.

Simply fighting creationists is not enough. The need for which religion was invented still needs addressing.

So, as a possible antidote to our current political/social dilemma, I’d like to see a new humanist movement take root, where an acceptance of what life is like, and has to be like, in the 21st century takes preeminence.

Humanism does not preclude religion. There are plenty of Christian faiths that also fall under the rubric of humanism.

I bring up either moniker when appropriate. When arguing against something like creationism in school, I will bring up atheism. When bringing up issues of welfare or “what does the most good for the most people” then humanism suffices.

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piratedan  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:23:46pm

re: #303 Belafon

best check her countertops to be sure….

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:24:12pm

re: #303 Belafon

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But don’t call em deplorable. That hurts their poor fee fees.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:25:12pm

re: #303 Belafon

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@JoyAnnReid

And this is how Trump’s base reacts to a disabled protester being ripped from her wheelchair. Now tell me again about voter persuasion.

better: tell me again about economic anxiety….

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:25:18pm

re: #305 HappyWarrior

And we’ve got fourth of July coming up too. But yeah I was doing great this week until we had fajitas from my favortie Tex-Mex place tonight. All good though. I’ve been doing laps at the pool.

The good news is, I shed the 5 lbs I gained over the fishing vacation weekend from eating too much of my dad’s barbecue and my mom’s home-cooked breakfast. I also found an exercise I enjoyed - kayaking!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:25:47pm

re: #309 Backwoods_Sleuth

@JoyAnnReid

better: tell me again about economic anxiety….

READ HILLBIILLY ELEGY!!! //

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:27:14pm

re: #311 HappyWarrior

READ HILLBIILLY ELEGY!!! //

BARF!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:27:15pm

re: #310 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The good news is, I shed the 5 lbs I gained over the fishing vacation weekend from eating too much of my dad’s barbecue and my mom’s home-cooked breakfast. I also found an exercise I enjoyed - kayaking!

My dad’s taken to kayaking.He really enjoys it. The only thing I don’t like about swimming is I can’t put my headphones on. Not like it would do any good anyhow I guess.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:27:22pm

re: #303 Belafon

And we’re not supposed to call this Kris Nalesnik ‘deplorable’, lest some media both-siderist get the vapors about how Democrats are being so mean and nasty.

OK, I’m flexible. How about greedy, evil, selfish, hard-hearted, sociopathic, inhumane, and, worst of all, Republican?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:27:39pm

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

BARF!!!!

Heh I knew I’d get that reaction from you.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:29:20pm

re: #313 HappyWarrior

My dad’s taken to kayaking.He really enjoys it. The only thing I don’t like about swimming is I can’t put my headphones on. Not like it would do any good anyhow I guess.

I’m about the opposite of a waterbug, but being out on the lake in a kayak in the early morning is invigorating and offers a chance at some breathtaking views. Mrs. Fish and I are planning on acquiring one of our own to use locally in our all-too-brief summertime.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:29:36pm

That moment you find the gorgeous steak that went into fridge not freezer so it works for dinner tonight. Yaay us.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:30:00pm

re: #301 HappyWarrior

You should definitely mention that.

Sasse is a young, smart man. His degree is in history. I can see him (if he plays this right and a bunch of criminals in the administration actually go down) having positioned himself as a so-called Never Trumper and sticking to it catapulting him to party leadership.

To be clear, I still don’t care for most of the party’s positions. We’ll have to see where he comes down on all this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:30:09pm

re: #315 HappyWarrior

Heh I knew I’d get that reaction from you.

I aim to please…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:30:15pm

re: #316 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’m about the opposite of a waterbug, but being out on the lake in a kayak in the early morning is invigorating and offers a chance at some breathtaking views. Mrs. Fish and I are planning on acquiring one of our own to use locally in our all-too-brief summertime.

Dad loves the water. Big beach guy but we live 3 plus hours from the beach so he has to get his fix in via the nearby lakes.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:31:41pm

re: #320 HappyWarrior

Dad loves the water. Big beach guy but we live 3 plus hours from the beach so he has to get his fix in via the nearby lakes.

Mrs. Fish loves being in the water, as does my sister. My folks are more likely to be found ON the water (in a boat) rather than IN it. My mom is a fisherman’s daughter, and it’s a point of contention every year if Dad beats her in fish count or biggest fish.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:32:41pm

GET USED TO ALL THE WINNING…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:33:15pm

re: #322 FormerDirtDart

GET USED TO ALL THE WINNING…

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Blue collar billionaire. //

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:33:20pm

re: #322 FormerDirtDart

So first Carrier ships all those jobs out that they pledged they would keep in Indiana after Pence’s magical “wheeling and dealing”, now this. Is there anything this lot can actually get right?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:33:53pm

re: #321 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Mrs. Fish loves being in the water, as does my sister. My folks are more likely to be found ON the water (in a boat) rather than IN it. My mom is a fisherman’s daughter, and it’s a point of contention every year if Dad beats her in fish count or biggest fish.

I love being in the water myself. Wish the Potomac wasn’t so rough and dirty because I’d love to give it a swim one day.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:34:04pm

re: #324 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

And drives a golf cart on the green.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:34:12pm

re: #322 FormerDirtDart

Annnnd Trump’s Midas minus touch continues.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:34:37pm

re: #322 FormerDirtDart

GET USED TO ALL THE WINNING…

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Now, now. Those jobs at Boeing and Carrier were metaphorical jobs. Trump is a master of allusion.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:35:34pm

re: #328 Decatur Deb

Now, now. Those jobs at Boeing and Carrier were metaphorical jobs. Trump is a master of allusion.

He’s going to make Pittsburgh 1850 great again! I hope this means I get to tell my second great grandmother that she grows up to look like Frau Blucher but she won’t get that reference.

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EPR-radar  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:35:43pm

re: #324 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

So first Carrier ships all those jobs out that they pledged they would keep in Indiana after Pence’s magical “wheeling and dealing”, now this. Is there anything this lot can actually get right?

They got the news coverage they wanted out of both of these bullshit deals, so they got that part right.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:35:55pm

re: #322 FormerDirtDart

GET USED TO ALL THE WINNING…

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The only job Trump is saving is his.

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Interesting Times  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:36:16pm

re: #324 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

So first Carrier ships all those jobs out that they pledged they would keep in Indiana after Pence’s magical “wheeling and dealing”, now this. Is there anything this lot can actually get right?

Getting their fuckwit base to the polls -_-

This may sound like a ridiculous question, but…has there ever been any sort of credible reporting or investigating done asking the people who *can* vote but choose not to why they do that?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:36:17pm

re: #325 HappyWarrior

I love being in the water myself. Wish the Potomac wasn’t so rough and dirty because I’d love to give it a swim one day.

I could handle Indiana’s creeks well enough, as they’re shallow enough to ford in many places. Deep rivers and lakes make me nervous, as my swimming is basically “just good enough not to drown”, and I’d rather not have to put it to use.

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William Lewis  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:37:37pm

re: #287 Decatur Deb

(And where I come from, 90% agreement buys you an auto-da-fe.)

Yep. History says there was maybe 2% disagreement in matters of dogma between Rome and Canterbury. Didn’t stop Mary from burning Cranmer or Elizabeth from burning a bunch of Jesuits. And this fat old high church Anglo-Catholic thinks they were both idiots for it.

So it was Stupid? Sure. But that’s the same shit we’re running into here.

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lawhawk  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:38:19pm

re: #324 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Tax cuts for billionaires?
Delivering a favorable foreign policy for Putin?
Creating chaos that favors Putin on foreign policy?

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:38:44pm

Here is a link to a page I made for an oak which fell in yesterday’s storms. This morning it was blocking a wide street in NE Philly not far from where I live. Hopefully tomorrow it will be gone.
littlegreenfootballs.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:39:26pm

re: #248 The Vicious Babushka

The sentence after that one is some even more really offensive fucked up shit. Really Stinky shit.

I’ve written a couple things here that got me downdinged before (deservedly), but I never had my comments obliterated with atomic downdings like this thread. Wow.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:40:22pm

You own it, motherfucker.

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calochortus  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:41:18pm

Speaking of dinner, I need to go assemble it. Since it’s hot today I got it all prepped this morning. Chicken/snow pea salad in a pastry shell.
Perhaps a little ice cream for dessert?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:41:22pm

re: #337 Anymouse 🌹

I’ve written a couple things here that got me downdinged before (deservedly), but I never had my comments obliterated with atomic downdings like this thread. Wow.

We Lizardim are a gentle lot, but we have no tolerance for dumbshits. An occasional mistake does not a dumbshit make. Doubling down on the stupid does.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:41:35pm

re: #332 Interesting Times

Getting their fuckwit base to the polls -_-

This may sound like a ridiculous question, but…has there ever been any sort of credible reporting or investigating done asking the people who *can* vote but choose not to why they do that?

I haven’t read any. All the news I’ve read is still interviewing every Trump voter in the Inner Solar System.

Hey CNN, I’m still waiting for y’all to come to the reddest House district in the nation and interview even one Clinton voter. I’m still volunteering for that arduous task.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:41:51pm

re: #338 Ace Rothstein

You own it, motherfucker.

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Trump got Russian hookers to piss on it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:43:14pm

Less than 450 updings to go before I surpass 60,000. Let’s see if I can blow that with a really offensive set of comments. /s

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:43:51pm

re: #343 Anymouse 🌹

Less than 450 updings to go before I surpass 60,000. Let’s see if I can blow that with a really offensive set of comments. /s

You are doing well, young grasshopper. You have almost matched my karma with only 2/3 as many comments.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:45:57pm

re: #344 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

You are doing well, young grasshopper. You have almost matched my karma with only 2/3 as many comments.

Thanks. I’m not sure what sort of wisdom my comments have imparted here, as I sure am not the wisest person around here (or for that matter, even close to best-educated).

I do like your current nickname, Mr. Poe. /s

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:46:59pm

re: #344 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

You are doing well, young grasshopper. You have almost matched my karma with only 2/3 as many comments.

Hey wait, lizards eat grasshoppers. That could be a problem for me here …

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:47:54pm

re: #345 Anymouse 🌹

Thanks. I’m not sure what sort of wisdom my comments have imparted here, as I sure am not the wisest person around here (or for that matter, even close to best-educated).

I do like your current nickname, Mr. Poe. /s

Ah, good. Another lizard who is well-read. I like myself some Poe, possibly the only poetry I truly appreciate - and not for its darkness.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:50:43pm

Just my usual snark, but for some reason Twitter offered to translate it from Polish for me. WTH?

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:50:49pm

re: #344 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

You are doing well, young grasshopper. You have almost matched my karma with only 2/3 as many comments.

I’m not curious enough to go looking for the show, but I wonder how many things we would see on Kung Fu and go “We actually allowed that on TV?”

Edited cause I mispelled.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:51:11pm

re: #347 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Ah, good. Another lizard who is well-read. I like myself some Poe, possibly the only poetry I truly appreciate - and not for its darkness.

I’m not very well-read. I do like Edgar though.

Back in ancient days when I was in high school, my composition class was given an assignment to pick any short story and deconstruct it in a report.

I chose to write about the physics and mechanics involved with “The Pit and the Pendulum.” Got a big question mark on my report (and an “A”)

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Interesting Times  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:51:16pm

re: #287 Decatur Deb

(And where I come from, 90% agreement buys you an auto-da-fe.)

98% agreement buys you the DNA of a chimpanzee.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:52:54pm

re: #349 Belafon

I’m not curious enough to go looking for the show, but I wonder how many things we would see on Kung Foo and go “We actually allowed that on TV?”

Along with Hong Kong Fooey. /s

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prairiefire  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:53:11pm

re: #347 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

You might like the shorter poems of Lord Byron. Recite “She Walks in Beauty” for mrs fish and see what happens.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:53:36pm

re: #350 Anymouse 🌹

I’m not very well-read. I do like Edgar though.

Back in ancient days when I was in high school, my composition class was given an assignment to pick any short story and deconstruct it in a report.

I chose to write about the physics and mechanics involved with “The Pit and the Pendulum.” Got a big question mark on my report (and an “A”)

Most of my reading of the classics was done in high school, with a few selections in college. I owe my recollection of them mainly to my long-term memory, which used to be a lot better. I certainly don’t remember all of them; Heart of Darkness, in particular, I didn’t even wind up finishing.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:55:26pm

re: #352 Anymouse 🌹

Along with Hong Kong Fooey. /s

Heh.

My memories of Kung Fu (yep, misspelled it originally) are his training and how thoughtful the teacher was, school rivalry, and how Eastern philosophy was better than the West (I was a kid).

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:55:38pm

Suggestions for music to add to this playlist are very welcome. Going for a “Contemporary Progressive Artist” thing

Iframe

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:56:26pm

re: #354 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Most of my reading of the classics was done in high school, with a few selections in college. I owe my recollection of them mainly to my long-term memory, which used to be a lot better. I certainly don’t remember all of them; Heart of Darkness, in particular, I didn’t even wind up finishing.

Right now (well, not exactly as I’m typing) I am reading “The Imagining of War - The Untold Story of DARPA”

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Interesting Times  Jun 22, 2017 • 5:59:58pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:00:24pm

Wonkette is calling the GOP wealthcare bill “Turtlecare.”

I think it should be stuck to Trump, or as that bumper sticker above notes: GOPDon’tCare.” (Someone really ought to make that up as an actual bumper sticker. I wouldn’t put it on my car because someone would roll it over here, but it would work in other places.)

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prairiefire  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:02:45pm

re: #356 Unshaken Defiance

New Spoon, Arcade Fire, Glass Animals and Lizzo are good.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:04:22pm

Promoting Oil Products in Public Education (goes to The Guardian).

The article is about oil companies writing school curricula in Oklahoma public schools. A similar programme is underway now in Ohio.

More at the link:

Jennifer Merritt’s first graders at Jefferson elementary school in Pryor, Oklahoma, were in for a treat. Sitting cross-legged on the floor, the students gathered for story time with two special guests, Republican lawmakers Tom Gann and Marty Quinn.

Dressed in suits, the two men read aloud from “Petro Pete’s Big Bad Dream,” a parable in which a Bob the Builder-lookalike awakens to find his toothbrush, hard hat and even the tires on his bike missing.

Abandoned by the school bus, Pete walks to Petroville elementary in his pajamas.

“It sounds like you’re missing all of your petroleum by-products today!” Pete’s teacher, Mrs Rigwell, exclaims, extolling oil’s benefits to Pete and fellow students like Sammy Shale. Before long, Pete decides that “having no petroleum is like a nightmare!”

The tale is the latest in an illustrated series by the Oklahoma Energy Resources Board, a state agency funded by oil and gas producers. The board has spent upwards of $40m over the past two decades on providing education with a pro-industry bent, including hundreds of pages of curriculums, a speaker series and an after-school program - all at no cost to educators of children from kindergarten to high school.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:06:06pm

According to Cotswold staff, the twins are perfect miniature versions of the adults, even born with a full set of quills, which begs the question visitors have been keen to ask keepers: “How does the female give birth without injury?” After a gestation period of approximately one hundred and twelve days (the longest gestation period of any rodent), the female gives birth to offspring covered in soft, moist and flexible quills, enclosed in a thin placental sac. Immediately after birth, the quills quickly harden in the air and become prickly. The babies, also known as Porcupettes, are also born relatively well developed, with eyes open and teeth present.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:06:12pm

re: #361 Anymouse 🌹

Promoting Oil Products in Public Education (goes to The Guardian).

The article is about oil companies writing school curricula in Oklahoma public schools. A similar programme is underway now in Ohio.

More at the link:

Because Dawn and your toothbrush are really contributing to climate change. //

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:07:12pm

re: #360 prairiefire

New Spoon, Arcade Fire, Glass Animals and Lizzo are good.

Oh my, not sure it’s progressive genre but really loving Lizzo “Good As Hell”

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:08:31pm

re: #360 prairiefire

Arcade Fire “Creature Comfort” dropped right in thanks.

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meteor  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:09:11pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:09:26pm

Some people really seem to thrive on being annoying.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:10:47pm

re: #363 Belafon

Because Dawn and your toothbrush are really contributing to climate change. //

Well, they do to an insignificant degree. Nothing like a coal-fired power plant or an automobile though.

According to the article, the API is engaging in direct propaganda to kindergarten students in a number of states.

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William Lewis  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:10:50pm

re: #347 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Ah, good. Another lizard who is well-read. I like myself some Poe, possibly the only poetry I truly appreciate - and not for its darkness.

Why not? That’s what makes it good Poe-try

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:11:48pm

Gaggle of geese
Murder of Crows
Prickle of Porcupines.

now you know

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prairiefire  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:11:52pm

re: #364 Unshaken Defiance

Her “Worship” blows the roof off.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:12:44pm

re: #369 William Lewis

Why not? That’s what makes it good Poe-try

Upding for pun-ditry.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:13:21pm

re: #361 Anymouse 🌹

Promoting Oil Products in Public Education (goes to The Guardian).

The article is about oil companies writing school curricula in Oklahoma public schools. A similar programme is underway now in Ohio.

More at the link:

Fascism at it’s best.

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Varek Raith  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:13:30pm

re: #367 Charles Johnson

Some people really seem to thrive on being annoying.

Like, Iknowrite?
/Like

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:14:43pm

re: #373 Birth Control Works

Fascism at it’s best.

Oil is a resource, humans are a resource.

As long as you can profit from a resource, you’re good as a corporation.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:16:37pm

My next upding goal: To catch up to and surpass Mr. Johnson’s nearly 600,000 on his own Website. /s

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:17:45pm

re: #375 Anymouse 🌹

Oil is a resource, humans are a resource.

As long as you can profit from a resource, you’re good as a corporation.

How about teaching economics —when a resource becomes scarce —the price goes up, usage goes down —forcing R&D to find a replacement resource.

Unless you can get guberment subsidies to support a dying, economically unsound industry because fat old white men don’t want change.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:18:03pm

re: #351 Interesting Times

98% agreement buys you the DNA of a chimpanzee.

“That 2% difference, and you get Einstein….or Jack the Ripper…”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:19:01pm

re: #377 Birth Control Works

How about teaching economics —when a resource becomes scarce —the price goes up, usage goes down —forcing R&D to find a replacement resource.

Unless you can get guberment subsidies to support a dying, economically unsound industry because fat old white men don’t want change.

That’s what robots are for. They can replace us pesky takers.

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Varek Raith  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:19:01pm

re: #376 Anymouse 🌹

My next upding goal: To catch up to and surpass Mr. Johnson’s nearly 600,000 on his own Website. /s

One step closer.
Congrats!

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Weaselone  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:20:34pm

re: #361 Anymouse 🌹

Besides global warming and pollution, another good reason to limit the burning of fossil fuels, particularly oil and natural gas is that there are better uses for the limited reserves we have of them.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:20:51pm

re: #266 teleskiguy

This thread. What. The. Fuck.

Brian J., I got you a snack…

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oooh, brain bleach warning …

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:22:03pm

re: #283 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I was thinking more along the lines of GAZE, but I’m pretty sure yours works, too.

Gamey buttocks, anyone? Tonight is mesquite smoked.

I’ll get the garlic. It’s been a while.

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CBGB  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:22:27pm

re: #356 Unshaken Defiance

PLINI

PLINI PLINI PLINI

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:22:31pm

Wonkette’s assessment of the steaming pile of giveaways to the wealthy the GOP is calling a healthcare bill:

If you look really closely with a scanning electron microscope, there’s an asterisk that clarifies: “Not better than the ACA, but probably better than health insurance in Somalia.”

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:26:30pm

re: #384 CBGB

That hits the nail on the head, thank you. Electric Sunrise so far…

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Scout  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:26:35pm

This probably won’t interest many people here, but today’s google doodle in Japan honors Hanawa Hokiichi:

the famous blind scholar and Buddhist monk of the Edo Period.

Hanawa Hokiichi Museum in Shibuya-ku, Tokyo

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Varek Raith  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:26:39pm

Good night.
Gonna play Real World Simulator 2287, er, I mean Fallout 4.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:27:19pm

My summation of the new healthcare bill: Hey poor people, a bunch of you fuckers have to die so some rich asshole can afford a new Yacht!

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CBGB  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:28:50pm

re: #386 Unshaken Defiance

That was my first pick, and then everything after it. Sweet Nothings and The End of Everything are also incredible in their entirety.

Glad to be of service. The kid (he’s all of 24 years old) is jaw droppingly incredible.

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jaunte  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:29:31pm

re: #338 Ace Rothstein

Trump’s Imprecatory Prayer.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:29:53pm
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CleverToad  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:30:44pm

re: #389 Eclectic Cyborg

My summation of the new healthcare bill: Hey poor middle class people, a bunch of you fuckers have to die so some rich asshole can afford a new Yacht!

And here you thought they were just going to screw the poors…

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:31:27pm

re: #393 CleverToad

And here you thought they were just going to screw the poors…

When you have a money based value system instead of a people based value system … .

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:32:00pm

re: #389 Eclectic Cyborg

My summation of the new healthcare bill: Hey poor people, a bunch of you fuckers have to die so some rich asshole can afford a new Yacht!

Hey, purchasing that yacht keeps people employed!!!

/

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:32:02pm

It should be noted here that Somalia’s fragile government is working toward universal basic healthcare coverage, so the Somali system is actually better than what the GOP wants for us.

en.wikipedia.org

So we’re going to be number one I guess? As in worst?

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Birth Control Works  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:34:10pm

ah, back to photoshop

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:34:40pm

re: #303 Belafon

Joy Reid ✔ @JoyAnnReid
And this is how Trump’s base reacts to a disabled protester being ripped from her wheelchair. Now tell me again about voter persuasion.


2:32 PM - 22 Jun 2017 * Manhattan, NY

Their lord and master mocked a disabled reporter and that did not trouble them. They are as deplorable as their leader

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:35:56pm

re: #395 Birth Control Works

Hey, purchasing that yacht keeps people employed!!!

/

Sails on a sea of middle and lower class blood.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:35:59pm

re: #397 Birth Control Works

ah, back to photoshop

Make sure you use artisinal Photoshop brushes. /s
google.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:36:52pm

My closest brother in age is a little bit of a Bernie bro but we’ve been talking and I am just glad he has a heart. As you guys know, I had to stop following one of our friends since he posted nothing but wingnut garbage but my brother had not and he informed that he called him out on it today for some trash whining about people without health insurance having kids. My brother is a father, a hard working one at that who goes to school, makes great grades and works. He doesn’t look down on people at all but I’d say has one of the biggest hearts I’ve seen when it comes to being friendly with people who are different from him and me. After all, his wife is Peruvian, my niece’s godfather is African-American, and he’s made friends from all over.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:37:20pm

re: #395 Birth Control Works

Hey, purchasing that yacht keeps people employed!!!

/

Triremes are job creators.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:37:24pm

re: #398 Hecuba’s daughter

Their lord and master mocked a disabled reporter and that did not trouble them. They are as deplorable as their leader

Trump wasn’t lying about 5th avenue.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:37:54pm

re: #398 Hecuba’s daughter

Well it is about voter persuasion. Not the GOP voters who voted for Trump, but the huge swath of apathetic voters who sat it out with the “both sides are the same” claim.

That’s a bumper sticker: Both sides are NOT the same. One wants to kill you.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:38:45pm

re: #403 HappyWarrior

Trump wasn’t lying about 5th avenue.

He really wasn’t and that’s scary as fuck.

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danarchy  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:38:51pm

re: #299 calochortus

Or you could ignore him.

That’s my philosophy. There are several people whose comments I tend to scroll past.

This is still one of the best XKCD’s

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Apocalypse  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:39:37pm

re: #398 Hecuba’s daughter

Kris is not saying it is the case, But he is saying they’re faking it.
/

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:41:38pm

re: #405 Eclectic Cyborg

He really wasn’t and that’s scary as fuck.

It really is.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:41:39pm

Google’s doodle in the USA today allows you to make visual music compositions.
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