The Bob Cesca Show: Ratf*ckery

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Ratf*ckery: Kimberley Johnson from the Start Me Up podcast is here today; The Trump Crisis Day 154; Trump’s Iowa Rally; Trump said there aren’t any tapes; Did Trump destroy the tapes?; We dig deeply into whether Russians changed the results of the election; 21 state election systems targeted by Russians; GOP data firm leaked the names of 200 million voters; Putin’s fake video; The Senate healthcare bill is an atrocity; and much more.

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132 comments

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ipsos  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:40:16pm

I still love me some Rachel Maddow, but I’m 16 minutes into watching tonight’s show on the DVR, and I could summarize the entire 16 minutes in about 30 seconds:

Disabled rights advocates have been at this since the 1970s in Denver.

Disabled people and children are heavily dependent on Medicaid.

They protested in front of Mitch McConnell’s office today.

If someone created a “Rachel in half the time” podcast, I’d subscribe in a heartbeat.

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jaunte  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:41:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:42:30pm

re: #2 jaunte

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Paul Ryan owes his college education to the government too. This is just typical conservatism. It’s fuck you, I got mine al lthe way.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:43:05pm

Well, I killed the last thread with this, so I’ll move it here:

re: #409 Anymouse 🌹

Google’s doodle in the USA today allows you to make visual music compositions.
google.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:45:15pm

re: #1 ipsos

I still love me some Rachel Maddow, but I’m 16 minutes into watching tonight’s show on the DVR, and I could summarize the entire 16 minutes in about 30 seconds:

Disabled rights advocates have been at this since the 1970s in Denver.

Disabled people and children are heavily dependent on Medicaid.

They protested in front of Mitch McConnell’s office today.

If someone created a “Rachel in half the time” podcast, I’d subscribe in a heartbeat.

I don’t necessarily rag on Dr. Maddow. She pulls in the facts of a matter she discusses for those of us who are unaware of the background on a story. For example, I was unaware of Denver advocates being at this since the Seventies so that is a new piece of information for me.

She must be doing something right since she’s on top of the cable ratings pile.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:45:20pm

Anyhow so much of this goes back to how conservatives lack empathy. As I mentioned about my brother, he got into it with a long time friend of both of ours. And our friend’s rseponse? Some crap about how what he talked about was crony capitalism and not real conservatism. Real conservatism? To me, that sounds more and more like Marxist Utopia bullshit because it never happens. Conservatives always increase the size of the government when they deem it necessary.

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teleskiguy  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:47:31pm

Ah, that new thread smell…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:49:29pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

Anyhow so much of this goes back to how conservatives lack empathy. As I mentioned about my brother, he got into it with a long time friend of both of ours. And our friend’s rseponse? Some crap about how what he talked about was crony capitalism and not real conservatism. Real conservatism? To me, that sounds more and more like Marxist Utopia bullshit because it never happens. Conservatives always increase the size of the government when they deem it necessary.

Yup. The largest expansion of the government in modern history was the Department of Homeland Security.

Conservatives are fine with big government, as long as they are in charge of it. It has always been so in my lifetime.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:50:06pm

It smells like, victory.

Apocalypse Now - smell of napalm

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:50:25pm

re: #8 Anymouse 🌹

Yup. The largest expansion of the government in modern history was the Department of Homeland Security.

Conservatives are fine with big government, as long as they are in charge of it. It has always been so in my lifetime.

They were happy with the DHS because it allowed them to screw unions.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:51:03pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

Ah, that new thread smell…

I have new threads in my shoes but I can’t smell anything different about them …

Oh this thread. Smell-o-vision. /s

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jaunte  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:52:07pm

Comey spent two hours at the New York Times building today.

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CBGB  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:52:26pm

I’m beginning to think these might be terrible people.

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teleskiguy  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:52:41pm

Rightwingconspirator, for your post-millennial progressive playlist, try out OHMphrey, consisting of the drummer, keyboardist, and one of the guitarists for Umphrey’s McGee, guitarist Chris Poland and bassist Robertino Pagliari.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:53:10pm

If someone tried a healthcare stunt like this in a country like France, the entire economy would grind to a halt in a nationwide strike until this abomination was stopped.

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danarchy  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:55:15pm

re: #5 Anymouse 🌹

She must be doing something right since she’s on top of the cable ratings pile.

I have proof that isn’t true. It looks Like FOX was on top last night in both the demo and total viewers. That clearly doesn’t mean they are doing something right…

adweek.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:56:10pm

re: #13 CBGB

I’m beginning to think these might be terrible people.

Ya think?

I’m at the point of no longer agreeing with Joe ‘These are good people!’ Biden.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:58:35pm

re: #16 danarchy

I have proof that isn’t true. It looks Like FOX was on top last night in both the demo and total viewers. That clearly doesn’t mean they are doing something right…

adweek.com

Well, that’s one night. We’ll have to see what happens.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:58:36pm

re: #17 Blind Frog Belly White

Ya think?

I’m at the point of no longer agreeing with Joe ‘These are good people!’ Biden.

Even HRC’s “Deplorables” assessment assumed they were only a large minority. I guess there wasn’t room for “The Benighted” in the tweet.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:59:24pm

re: #8 Anymouse 🌹

Yup. The largest expansion of the government in modern history was the Department of Homeland Security.

Conservatives are fine with big government, as long as they are in charge of it. It has always been so in my lifetime.

He’s spouting out shit like “left is more” and “right is less.” I feel like telling him his vision of conservatism is no different from how Marxists viwe Socialism but I think the allusion would go over his head.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 22, 2017 • 6:59:36pm

re: #14 teleskiguy

The Girl from Chi Town sounds good for it so far.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:00:13pm

re: #17 Blind Frog Belly White

Ya think?

I’m at the point of no longer agreeing with Joe ‘These are good people!’ Biden.

Yeah I respect Biden but no way I would be able to see the humanity in an asshole like Jesse Helms.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:00:23pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

He’s spouting out shit like “left is more” and “right is less.” I feel like telling him his vision of conservatism is no different from how Marxists viwe Socialism but I think the allusion would go over his head.

Left is right and right is wrong.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:00:48pm
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William Lewis  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:01:50pm

RWC - depending on what you’re looking for in your playlist have you considered:

Animals as Leaders

Scale the Summit

Platypus

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:01:54pm

re: #23 Anymouse 🌹

Left is right and right is wrong.

I am just glad my brother schooled him. I know it sounds wussy but I don’t have the heart to do it. I’m just glad my own brother is on the correct side of this though. Him and I had our differences as kids but man am I proud of the man he’s become.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:03:13pm

re: #24 The Vicious Babushka

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19th century America. Good times. // But yeah that does speak to what my brother’s dealing with my pal, he’s dealing with someone who is the conservative equivalent of a Marxist. The whole conservatism is always right and only corrupted bs.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:03:45pm
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danarchy  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:04:00pm

re: #18 Anymouse 🌹

Well, that’s one night. We’ll have to see what happens.

I just meant that just the simple fact of being on the top of the heap doesn’t necessarily mean you are doing something right. I am sure there is some logical fallacy in that, maybe argument from popularity?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:04:52pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

Yeah I respect Biden but no way I would be able to see the humanity in an asshole like Jesse Helms.

Yet in a way, Helms was all too human. Humans have the capacity to become something greater than petty, violent, and tribalistic, but that takes effort. What doesn’t seem to take a lot of effort is exacerbating our tendency to violent tribalism.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:04:59pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

19th century America. Good times. // But yeah that does speak to what my brother’s dealing with my pal, he’s dealing with someone who is the conservative equivalent of a Marxist. The whole conservatism is always right and only corrupted bs.

capitalism.org is an Ayn Rand fansite. So even they admit that “pure capitalism” doesn’t really exist, you know, like “pure communism.” But they give the era of slavery and sweatshops as “the closest example.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:05:22pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

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“Wouldn’t it be great if we could be friends with Russia?” //

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:06:09pm

re: #31 The Vicious Babushka

capitalism.org is an Ayn Rand fansite. So even they admit that “pure capitalism” doesn’t really exist, you know, like “pure communism.” But they give the era of slavery and sweatshops as “the closest example.”

The more I see between pure capitalists and pure communists, the more I see two sides that just differ on the fundamentals.
Communists: Capitalism exploits the workers!
Capitalists! Good!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:07:55pm

re: #29 danarchy

I just meant that just the simple fact of being on the top of the heap doesn’t necessarily mean you are doing something right. I am sure there is some logical fallacy in that, maybe argument from popularity?

Well, in the case of television or radio ratings, being on top of the heap would mean that people want to tune in to hear what the presenter is saying.

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teleskiguy  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:08:12pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:09:11pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

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That’s why yeah you legalize and regulate it. When Prohibition was around, moonshine was laced with all sorts of toxic shit. Legalize pot and regulate it. Dont’ see why that’s so controversial.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:10:37pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

That would be a reason for a regulated cannabis market such as Colorado’s.

On the other hand, lacing cannabis with Fentanyl is an example of unregulated capitalism.

For the moral scolds and social conservatives, it’s a reason to impose harsher sentences on cannabis use and go after the regulated markets.

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teleskiguy  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:10:48pm

re: #36 HappyWarrior

Legalize pot and regulate it. Dont’ see why that’s so controversial.

Because. Didn’t you know?!? One time my uncle tried a marijuana pot drugs bowl pipe - one time - and a wolf ate his hands.

Not. Even. Once.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:11:05pm

First thing I see on Twitter just now:

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BeachDem  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:12:06pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

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Can’t remember where I read it, but somebody was questioning why anyone would lace marijuana with fentanyl since fentanyl is so much more expensive in the first place. (Don’t know if that’s true, but hey—I read it on the Internet, so….)

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VegasGolfer  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:13:03pm

re: #1 ipsos

I still love me some Rachel Maddow, but I’m 16 minutes into watching tonight’s show on the DVR, and I could summarize the entire 16 minutes in about 30 seconds:

Disabled rights advocates have been at this since the 1970s in Denver.

Disabled people and children are heavily dependent on Medicaid.

They protested in front of Mitch McConnell’s office today.

If someone created a “Rachel in half the time” podcast, I’d subscribe in a heartbeat.

No offense to you, but I think that this point of view is what is wrong with this country lately. If you cant get what you want in 2 minutes or less, then many people can’t be bothered. It makes me sad because people used to have a thirst for knowledge in this country, now most people wear their ignorance as a badge of honor.
If I’m going to sit for an hour and watch a show like Maddow, I want to come out of it a little more educated about issues and whats going on than when I started watching.
And I get upset when I hear people rag on her for this very reason.
Again, I am not at all ragging on you, but merely pointing out a pet peeve of mine when it comes to Maddow

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:13:10pm

Hmmm…

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BeachDem  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:13:38pm

And speaking of things that make no sense:

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:15:29pm

re: #40 BeachDem

Can’t remember where I read it, but somebody was questioning why anyone would lace marijuana with fentanyl since fentanyl is so much more expensive in the first place. (Don’t know if that’s true, but hey—I read it on the Internet, so….)

An example of laissez faire cannabis sales:

Dealer A sells plain ol’ cannabis.
Dealer B sells cannabis with Fentanyl (not informing the buyer) with a slight markup for the better “high.”

Dealer B addicts all his purchasers to his laced cannabis and marks up the price after putting Dealer A out of business.

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teleskiguy  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:15:58pm

re: #42 Belafon

A real head-scratcher…

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:16:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:16:43pm

Anyhow I see capitalist/libertarian stuff a lot since some of my friends lean that way and they are Marxist versions of capitalists.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:18:42pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Anyhow I see capitalist/libertarian stuff a lot since some of my friends lean that way and they are Marxist versions of capitalists.

Both Marxism and Libertarianism argue for the same thing: The falling away of the government.

For Marxists, they never get past the “Dictatorship of the Proletariat” stage.
For Libertarians, they get overthrown by the biggest group with guns and get a dictatorship.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:20:10pm

The Trump Organization filed a tax grievance on Tuesday with the town assessor’s office in Ossining, valuing the course at $7.5 million, or half of the $15.1 million the town calculates should be the tax basis for the course. This is the same course, spread over 143 acres in Westchester County, that presidential candidate Donald Trump listed on his publicly-filed financial disclosure report as being worth $50 million in 2016.

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Belafon  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:22:55pm

re: #49 Stanley Sea

Maybe the town should use his assessment.

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danarchy  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:26:13pm

re: #40 BeachDem

Can’t remember where I read it, but somebody was questioning why anyone would lace marijuana with fentanyl since fentanyl is so much more expensive in the first place. (Don’t know if that’s true, but hey—I read it on the Internet, so….)

Fentanyl is actually really cheap when you consider the potency. A dose that will get you high is something like 2mg. Even if it costs a few grand to produce a kilo of it you can cut it to several hundred thousand doses per kilo.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:26:38pm

re: #50 Belafon

Maybe the town should use his assessment.

Yup. Trump would likely sue, though. I’d guess that a court would be interested in hearing his arguments on why he shouldn’t be assessed at the value he placed on his property.

I just got my new property tax assessment. They raised the valuation of my property $18 this year. I guess I shouldn’t have mowed my lawn until after the assessor came by.

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BeachDem  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:28:24pm

Well, isn’t this special:

According to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, the remaining two half-time staff members of the State Department’s anti-Semitism monitoring office will be reassigned on July 1, leaving the office tasked with watching trends in anti-Jewish hate crimes and sentiment completely un-staffed.

rawstory.com

I guess Jared will have to add another assignment to his list.

Oh—and this is a department mandated by statute.

Trump don’t care…

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:31:55pm

re: #5 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t necessarily rag on Dr. Maddow. She pulls in the facts of a matter she discusses for those of us who are unaware of the background on a story. For example, I was unaware of Denver advocates being at this since the Seventies so that is a new piece of information for me.

She must be doing something right since she’s on top of the cable ratings pile.

Thankfully someone in the media is actually teaching political science on a level most Americans might be able to grasp. Compared to Fox which is all about dumbing down, she is trying to bring some people up. And there is CNN which in my opinion is just lost in the ratings weeds.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:34:03pm

re: #53 BeachDem

Trump don’t care

That might be THE message to win with. Much better than faux ironic “Thanks Obama”. It’s easy to argue. Short. Resonates with Obama Care. Really sums up the difference between him and his and us. Shout it out.

Trump Don’t Care ™

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Dizzy  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:36:33pm

From up north, an offer to you suffering under incompetent government.

YouTube

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:37:37pm

re: #53 BeachDem

Well, isn’t this special:

According to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, the remaining two half-time staff members of the State Department’s anti-Semitism monitoring office will be reassigned on July 1, leaving the office tasked with watching trends in anti-Jewish hate crimes and sentiment completely un-staffed.

rawstory.com

I guess Jared will have to add another assignment to his list.Oh—and this is a department mandated by statute.

Trump don’t care…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:37:39pm

re: #55 Unshaken Defiance

That might be THE message to win with. Much better than faux ironic “Thanks Obama”. It’s easy to argue. Short. Resonates with Obama Care. Really sums up the difference between him and his and us. Shout it out.

Trump Don’t Care ™

Yup. And hang that around the neck of every Republican supporting Pumpkin Pinochet.

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teleskiguy  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:39:42pm
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Romantic Heretic  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:40:29pm

re: #9 (Bert the Turtle)

Can’t see Apocalypse Now anymore without thinking of this anime.

Ride of the Valkyries - GATE

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:41:19pm

“The United States on Thursday rejected a United Nations resolution on the elimination of violence against women because it called for access to safe abortion for all women in countries where the procedure is legal.

The resolution, led by Canada, was adopted by consensus — that is, without taking a vote.

U.S. First Secretary to the UN in Geneva Jason Mack said that the U.S. “must dissociate from the consensus,” specifically on access to safe abortions.

“We do not recognize abortion as a method of family planning, nor do we support abortion in our reproductive health assistance,” he said in a statement read to the council.”

cbc.ca

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Dizzy  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:42:08pm

NY Times:

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s strategy for managing Mr. Trump is unlike anything tried by another ally. And he has largely succeeded where even experienced leaders like Angela Merkel of Germany have fallen short.

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teleskiguy  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:44:29pm

The road to Base Camp on the Chinese side of Mt. Everest. Yes, you can drive to Base Camp on Mt. Everest.

Instagram

Zigzagging to Mount Qomolangma: photos show the switchback mountainous road from Tingri to Mount Qomolangma, also known as Mount Everest, in southwest China’s Tibet Autonomous Region. Over one hundred kilometers long, it takes nearly four hours to travel along it by car. #roads #amazing #china #tibet #turns

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Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:48:26pm

re: #62 Dizzy

NY Times:

Smart

Since then, Mr. Paris said, “the approach has been to maintain cordial relations with the White House while going to extraordinary lengths to activate American decision makers at all levels of the political system.”

Mr. Trudeau hinted at the shift in a tweet, writing, “We are deeply disappointed that the United States federal government has decided to withdraw from the Paris Agreement.”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:50:42pm

re: #44 Anymouse 🌹

An example of laissez faire cannabis sales:

Dealer A sells plain ol’ cannabis.
Dealer B sells cannabis with Fentanyl (not informing the buyer) with a slight markup for the better “high.”

Dealer B addicts all his purchasers to his laced cannabis and marks up the price after putting Dealer A out of business.

Maybe, but giving fentanyl to someone who doesn’t use opiates is highly likely to kill your customer, which is bad for business. It seems like drug war propaganda.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:51:23pm

I love reading all of your posts, guys.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:52:45pm

Whatever happened to krokadil?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:55:30pm

re: #67 Amory Blaine

Whatever happened to krokadil?

Here’s a recent story on it. Autoplay video
latimes.com

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Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:56:12pm

OMG

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:56:14pm

re: #67 Amory Blaine

Wasn’t krokodil confined to Russia? There was a brief flurry of stories a couple years ago but I don’t think it ever took hold in this country.

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teleskiguy  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:58:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 7:59:15pm

re: #71 teleskiguy

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Fuck.

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Citizen K  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:00:09pm

re: #71 teleskiguy

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If that happens, this soon, we may as well fucking pack our bags and get ready for the gulags, because it will truly well and be over at that point. No fucking hope when the Supreme Court will become infinite conservative paradise for a generation and a half.

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jaunte  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:03:24pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:06:00pm

re: #65 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Maybe, but giving fentanyl to someone who doesn’t use opiates is highly likely to kill your customer, which is bad for business. It seems like drug war propaganda.

I suppose that would depend on how much Fentanyl you use.

Killing your customers has not been bad for the legal alcohol or tobacco business.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:06:43pm

re: #66 Amory Blaine

I love reading all of your posts, guys.

What about the gals here? /s

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ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:08:02pm

Lawrence O’Donnell closed his show out with the first national interview for Randy Bryce the working man Democratic candidate for the Wisconsin No 1 District/Paul Ryan’s seat.

He is pretty down to earth about the whole thing. He said he has been surprised by the response he has gotten since announcing he was going to take on this task.

Good luck to you Randy Bryce!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:10:21pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

Fuck.

Where does Mr. Hayes get this tidbit of information. “There’s a chance Anthony Kennedy announces his retirement Monday” also translates to “There’s a chance Anthony Kennedy doesn’t announce his retirement Monday.”

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Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:17:32pm

re: #71 teleskiguy

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I heard a rumor it’s Thomas.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:17:49pm

A word from Malcolm.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:21:04pm

Grift grift grift

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Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:23:06pm

So much info flying by

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jaunte  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:28:34pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:35:59pm

Snowboarders have come a long way in the 32 years since this news report was aired on CBC.

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retired cynic  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:36:03pm

A comment on Charlie Pierce’s last Facebook post of the day (the constitution wasn’t made for this):

“Putin told Trump the election was rigged and, if he lost, he should raise holy hell. Trump kept saying over and over the election was rigged because he knew it was rigged and, if he lost, Putin would help him prove it. We were fucked from the get go,whichever way it went.”

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jaunte  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:38:57pm
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Interesting Times  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:45:26pm
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jaunte  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:47:17pm

Pro-Life!

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Dave In Austin  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:48:03pm
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Dave In Austin  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:49:03pm

Oh My!!!

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Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:53:16pm
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KGxvi  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:55:19pm

re: #24 The Vicious Babushka

I like this bit:

Under capitalism, a proper government’s fundamental responsibility is to protect the rights of the individual, by banning the initiation of force, thus making all relations between men peaceful, i.e., free from the threat of violence and fraud.

I wonder if they understand what “fraud” means in our legal system. As someone with libertarian leanings, I really despise glibertarian bullshit.

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jaunte  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:57:33pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:57:38pm

re: #92 KGxvi

I like this bit:

I wonder if they understand what “fraud” means in our legal system. As someone with libertarian leanings, I really despise glibertarian bullshit.

And any government libertarian enough to promise libertarians their Galtian paradise is also insufficiently strong to prevent being overthrown by someone with more guns (Chile, Somalia, &c)

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retired cynic  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:59:25pm

re: #93 jaunte

Let ‘im ‘ave it, Charlie!

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Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2017 • 8:59:53pm

The gorilla kind of fucked with what I just posted.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:04:22pm

re: #71 teleskiguy

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The bright side to Roe being reversed is that it should wake up tens of millions of voters as their right to choose disappears in half the states,

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retired cynic  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:05:37pm

re: #97 Big Beautiful Door

The bright side to Roe being reversed is that it should wake up tens of millions of voters as their right to choose disappears in half the states,

I’m already woke. I don’t need that, thank you.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:07:58pm

re: #97 Big Beautiful Door

The bright side to Roe being reversed is that it should wake up tens of millions of voters as their right to choose disappears in half the states,

There’s no bright side. Period.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:10:12pm

re: #96 Stanley Sea

The gorilla kind of fucked with what I just posted.

On the other hand The definition of “Catastrophe” is awesome.

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Citizen K  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:10:41pm

re: #97 Big Beautiful Door

The bright side to Roe being reversed is that it should wake up tens of millions of voters as their right to choose disappears in half the states,

That’s kind of the same argument Stein and the lefter-than-thou folks have been pulling though since the election: the Trump disaster is actually GOOD for the left because of all the activism it’s inspiring!!

….meanwhile, millions will be kicked off their only means of insurance, millions more will have a price put on their lives that they’re already close to capping out soon as that takes effect, harassment of minorities and sanctioned othering, and if this does end up coming to pass, the end of legal abortion as we know it. And no way to fix those for at least a generation, more than likely.

But I guess if people are more aware that’s…worth it?

I can’t accept that logic because of one thing: it’s a whole lot easier to tear something down than build something up. The same way it’s far easier to take away the right to something than to regain or reclaim that right wholesale. There’s going to be decades of suffering coming out of the loss of Roe, and no guarantee something as good or better would emerge from the ashes any time soon.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:11:33pm

re: #98 retired cynic

I’m already woke. I don’t need that, thank you.

I’m referring to all the white women who voted for Trump, and who are about to be rewarded with the loss of healthcare coverage and their right to choose. I don’t want to see Roe overturned, but unless Kennedy and the four liberals last another four years it seems almost inevitable. Sometimes people don’t appreciate what they have until its gone.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:15:06pm

Interestingly, in my county paper (it is not on the Internet so no link), an article about SNAP recipients re: the tornadoes here in four counties on June 12.

The state government says for any SNAP recipient who was without power for four or more hours, they may re-apply for additional benefits to replace food lost during the tornado outbreak here. (Bayard and northeast of town was especially hard hit, but thousands went without electricity for a day or more here.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:17:10pm

re: #97 Big Beautiful Door

The bright side to Roe being reversed is that it should wake up tens of millions of voters as their right to choose disappears in half the states,

With Griswold v Connecticut right behind it, along with Obergefell v Hodges and Lawrence v Texas.

Not much of a bright side there, but it does illustrate that elections have consequences.

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allegro  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:19:10pm

re: #102 Big Beautiful Door

I’m referring to all the white women who voted for Trump, and who are about to be rewarded with the loss of healthcare coverage and their right to choose. I don’t want to see Roe overturned, but unless Kennedy and the four liberals last another four years it seems almost inevitable. Sometimes people don’t appreciate what they have until its gone.

And I’m thinking of all the young women who didn’t get to vote whose lives are at stake. I remember the pre-Roe days. I remember the next door neighbor who had an illegal abortion, almost died, hysterectomy at age 17. I remember a friend who suddenly went to visit “Aunt Edith” for the rest of a school year, returning in the fall sullen, depressed, never the same vibrant young woman again. I remember another bright classmate who married the father - both still in high school. Saw her several years later serving pancakes at a Sears cafe looking like a 40 year old, drawn, exhausted, miserable, her life’s choices taken from her.

Fuck this attitude of who “deserves” to suffer.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:19:17pm

re: #101 Citizen K

That’s kind of the same argument Stein and the lefter-than-thou folks have been pulling though since the election: the Trump disaster is actually GOOD for the left because of all the activism it’s inspiring!!

….meanwhile, millions will be kicked off their only means of insurance, millions more will have a price put on their lives that they’re already close to capping out soon as that takes effect, harassment of minorities and sanctioned othering, and if this does end up coming to pass, the end of legal abortion as we know it. And no way to fix those for at least a generation, more than likely.

But I guess if people are more aware that’s…worth it?

I can’t accept that logic because of one thing: it’s a whole lot easier to tear something down than build something up. The same way it’s far easier to take away the right to something than to regain or reclaim that right wholesale. There’s going to be decades of suffering coming out of the loss of Roe, and no guarantee something as good or better would emerge from the ashes any time soon.

I certainly wasn’t one of those arguing against Hillary on that basis, but the ugly reality is that Trump is President, and apathy played a big role in making that happen. Now people are going to get an education in what giving the reins of power to the GOP really means in terms of sheer human suffering. I’m hoping the backlash will result in Democratic control of government come January 2021’ and with it the enactment of Medicare for all and federally mandated right to choose.

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retired cynic  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:20:02pm

re: #104 Anymouse 🌹

With Griswold v Connecticut right behind it, along with Obergefell v Hodges and Lawrence v Texas.

Not much of a bright side there, but it does illustrate that elections have consequences.

Plus g’bye to voting rights, and hello to gerrymandering and poll taxes…

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retired cynic  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:20:26pm

re: #106 Big Beautiful Door

I certainly wasn’t one of those arguing against Hillary on that basis, but the ugly reality is that Trump is President, and apathy played a big role in making that happen. Now people are going to get an education in what giving the reins of power to the GOP really means in terms of sheer human suffering. I’m hoping the backlash will result in Democratic control of government come January 2021’ and with it the enactment of Medicare for all and federally mandated right to choose.

Do you think there will be fair elections then?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:22:26pm

re: #108 retired cynic

Do you think there will be fair elections then?

Well, there better well be a good turnout in 2018.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:24:01pm

re: #108 retired cynic

Do you think there will be fair elections then?

The Wisconsin gerrymandering case will be heard by SCOTUS. If the Court finds gerrymandering unconstitutional, that will be a huge step toward fairer elections.

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retired cynic  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:25:21pm

re: #110 Big Beautiful Door

The Wisconsin gerrymandering case will be heard by SCOTUS. If the Court finds gerrymandering unconstitutional, that will be a huge step toward fairer elections.

If.

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Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:25:46pm

re: #106 Big Beautiful Door

I certainly wasn’t one of those arguing against Hillary on that basis, but the ugly reality is that Trump is President, and apathy played a big role in making that happen. Now people are going to get an education in what giving the reins of power to the GOP really means in terms of sheer human suffering. I’m hoping the backlash will result in Democratic control of government come January 2021’ and with it the enactment of Medicare for all and federally mandated right to choose.

2004 serves as an excellent counterargument to that, that whatever misery that may come may ease up just enough that the rubes can convince themselves that “it can’t get any worse.” Then we’re left with 4-8 years of cleaning up the mess, for which we’re penalized when we don’t work miracles overnight.

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retired cynic  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:28:11pm

re: #112 Targetpractice

2004 serves as an excellent counterargument to that, that whatever misery that may come may ease up just enough that the rubes can convince themselves that “it can’t get any worse.” Then we’re left with 4-8 years of cleaning up the mess, for which we’re penalized when we don’t work miracles overnight.

Plus no time or energy left to tackle big, gnarly problems, like immigration and healthcare and the overgrowth of the military and….

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Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:31:31pm

re: #113 retired cynic

Plus no time or energy left to tackle big, gnarly problems, like immigration and healthcare and the overgrowth of the military and….

Exactly. The bulk of the early half of 2009 was spent trying to right the ship of state, for which Obama received a shit-ton of criticism from both right and left. The right screamed it was “socialism” and “throwing money at the problem,” while the left chewed his ass out for not throwing more money in the pot.

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retired cynic  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:32:03pm

And shoot, if I keep going, I’ll be too upset to sleep, so I’ll go back to lurking. I’ll try to go back to lurking.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:32:38pm

Yesterday I attended a seminar on the murder case the Netflix series “Making a Murderer” was about at the Kentucky Bar Association Convention. Now here is great news that a confession coerced from a 16 year old defendant has been thrown out, though Wisconsin plans to appeal. There is every reason to believe the local police planted evidence to frame two men for murder.

yahoo.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:33:10pm

Stolen from elsewhere:

The GOP should call this “The parity with Russia on healthcare outcomes” Act.

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Interesting Times  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:33:24pm

re: #112 Targetpractice

2004 serves as an excellent counterargument to that, that whatever misery that may come may ease up just enough

2004 is an outlier due to the whole 9/11 and Iraq War factor - domestic issues were virtually ignored; it was all durr hurr, bush kept us safe, kerry won’t all the time. Too many voters fall for dumb, shallow, alpha-male chest-thumping and what better way to showcase that than an ongoing war?

That’s why my biggest fear at the moment is Pumpkin Pinochet starting such a war and the grotesquely cynical “good for us, bad for America” corporate media doing everything they can to enable him just as they did for the monstrous lie that was Iraq…

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retired cynic  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:36:02pm

re: #118 Interesting Times

Argh! I can’t help myself! Haven’t they got enough of the planet on fire, one way or the other, already???

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:41:19pm

re: #112 Targetpractice

2004 serves as an excellent counterargument to that, that whatever misery that may come may ease up just enough that the rubes can convince themselves that “it can’t get any worse.” Then we’re left with 4-8 years of cleaning up the mess, for which we’re penalized when we don’t work miracles overnight.

In 2004 the Iraq War wasn’t that old, and the GOP hadn’t yanked healthcare away from 20 million Americans. I’m hoping the 2020 election will be more like 2008.

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Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:44:51pm

re: #118 Interesting Times

2004 is an outlier due to the whole 9/11 and Iraq War factor - domestic issues were virtually ignored; it was all durr hurr, bush kept us safe, kerry won’t all the time. Too many voters fall for dumb, shallow, alpha-male chest-thumping and what better way to showcase that than an ongoing war?

That’s why my biggest fear at the moment is Pumpkin Pinochet starting such a war and the grotesquely cynical “good for us, bad for America” corporate media doing everything they can to enable him just as they did for the monstrous lie that was Iraq…

Yet folks went into 2004 thinking that Iraq was actually going to be a negative for him. Remember, the occupation was becoming bogged down in the insurgency, there was no end in sight, and even some Republicans had suggested we cut our losses and GTFO.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:45:15pm

re: #120 Big Beautiful Door

In 2004 the Iraq War wasn’t that old, and the GOP hadn’t yanked healthcare away from 20 million Americans. I’m hoping the 2020 election will be more like 2008.

Democrats here are trying to work the two House districts that can conceivably be flipped to blue (four out of five electoral votes to the Dems in that case).

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Interesting Times  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:47:59pm

This is great, except for the fact that it desperately needs a current photo of the turtle (preferably with an arrogant and smug expression, which is like…90% of them?) to counteract the inevitable “cute kid”/humanizing effect…

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:48:38pm

re: #122 Anymouse 🌹

Democrats here are trying to work the two House districts that can conceivably be flipped to blue (four out of five electoral votes to the Dems in that case).

The deep red districts special elections have been held in have all been a lot closer than normal, which bodes well for the 2018 midterms.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:49:06pm
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retired cynic  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:49:56pm

re: #123 Interesting Times

This is great, except for the fact that it desperately needs a current photo of the turtle (preferably with an arrogant and smug expression, which is like…90% of them?) to counteract the inevitable “cute kid”/humanizing effect…

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Yes. Do it with all of them. There is something in each past where the government saved them in some way.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:50:00pm

Tropical Depression Cindy moving into Arkansas.

nhc.noaa.gov

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HappyWarrior  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:53:52pm

re: #125 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Fuck off Dinesh. Oh and by the way, Chamberlain actually prepared Britain for war. Maybe you should stop reading 6th grade history reports of WWII.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:55:17pm

News from Lubbock:

Facebook Post

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retired cynic  Jun 22, 2017 • 9:55:55pm

re: #129 Shiplord Kirel

News from Lubbock:

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Oooohhh myyyyy

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Dave In Austin  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:01:30pm

re: #129 Shiplord Kirel

News from Lubbock:

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On its way to Jimmy Dean!!

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William Lewis  Jun 22, 2017 • 10:43:44pm

re: #110 Big Beautiful Door

The Wisconsin gerrymandering case will be heard by SCOTUS. If the Court finds gerrymandering unconstitutional, that will be a huge step toward fairer elections.

But will it be heard before or after Kennedy is replaced by a Bork clone? Since we already know that the majority of people are too lazy to vote in off year elections , much less partake in a revolution, that’s pretty much the only meaningful question anymore.


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