Supreme Court Allows Trump’s Travel Ban to Take Effect, With Significant Limits

And Gorsuch shows how he’s going to act
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Today we’re seeing one of the worst effects of the advent of the Trump Horror, a Supreme Court now stacked with right wing justices who will make decisions that favor conservative causes for years to come.

The first such decision is on Trump’s travel ban, and SCOTUS has ruled that it can go into effect with some significant limits. The Trump gang has 90 days to review their vetting procedures and the court made it clear that they expect this time limit to be honored.

The court said it would hear the case when it reconvenes in October. But it also indicated in the ruling that things may change dramatically by then. It asked the parties to address whether the case would be moot by the time it hears it; the ban is supposed to be a temporary one while the government reviews its vetting procedures.

And the justices said they “fully expect” the government to be able to conduct its review within the 90-day span the executive order proposes.

Personally, I doubt the Trump gang ever had any intention of honoring this 90-day “vetting review,” and I fully expect them to do everything in their power to make the ban permanent.

The Court also imposed some exceptions on the ban; it can’t be used against “foreign nationals who have a credible claim of a bona fide relationship with a person or entity in the United States.”

In the unsigned opinion, the court said that a foreign national who wants to visit or live with a family member would have such a relationship, and so would students from the designated countries — Libya, Iran, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen — who were admitted to a U.S. university.

But in an ominous sign of what’s to come from the Trump-flavored SCOTUS, three of the justices objected to these limits and would have let Trump’s ban take effect with no restrictions: Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, and Trump’s newly appointed Justice Neil Gorsuch.

To anyone who bought the propaganda that Gorsuch would be a “moderate” who wouldn’t decide on party lines: you were conned. Again.

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365 comments
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:06:19am

It is still going to be touted as a major victory….

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:06:46am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:06:58am

Disappointed but not surprised by Gorsuch. This is why the Supreme Court is so important.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:07:18am

re: #1 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is still going to be touted as a major victory….

COMPLETE VINDICATION!!!

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:08:22am

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Disappointed but not surprised by Gorsuch. This is why the Supreme Court is so important.

The shitty thing about this is it’s not just a 90 day ban. It’s a 90 day ban that Trump will now feel he’s been justified in extending via Executive Order indefinitely.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:09:33am

re: #5 darthstar

The shitty thing about this is it’s not just a 90 day ban. It’s a 90 day ban that Trump will now feel he’s been justified in extending via Executive Order indefinitely.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:10:17am

I am glad SCOTUS imposed limits. This isn’t a total win for him but man screw Alito, Thomas, & Gorsuch for saying that the whole thing should stand as is.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:10:56am

He’s going to extend this every 90 days until he’s either impeached or until 2020 when he’s booted out of office.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:11:33am

re: #8 Dr. Matt

Trump said we needed travel ban for 90 days 2 put together “extreme vetting.” Its been 5 mos. Why still need ban? Where the extreme vetting?

— Kurt Eichenwald

Because shutup.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:11:34am

The thing about the “limits” is that they could actually be used to gut the ban altogether.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:11:44am
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KerFuFFler  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:11:56am

Reposted from below:

Within two weeks of taking office, Trump issued an executive order restricting visits from seven Muslim-majority countries ― the six previously listed plus Iraq for three months and suspending America’s refugee resettlement program, arguing that federal officials needed to review the vetting process in the interest of national security.

So, what progress has the administration made in “reviewing the vetting process”? The courts blocking the ban did nothing to keep the administration from improving the vetting process. They said they needed 3 months to improve it but now almost 6 months have gone by and they have no ideas for upgrading the vetting process? If they have any, why haven’t they implemented them? Wasn’t that the goal after all?

This point alone shows that the ban served no actual purpose other than allowing Trump to win points from his base for protecting them from scary brown people.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:12:24am

re: #10 Belafon

The thing about the “limits” is that they could actually be used to gut the ban altogether.

We’re going to need one of Kennedy or Roberts to vote the correct way here. Ideally both.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:12:38am

re: #7 HappyWarrior

I am glad SCOTUS imposed limits. This isn’t a total win for him but man screw Alito, Thomas, & Gorsuch for saying that the whole thing should stand as is.

Total Win! Winning!!! Total vindication!!! I win!!! Extreme Vetting! Not a ban! Not a racist ban! Not a religious ban! OK it is a ban!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:13:54am

repost from downstairs:

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:16:17am

House of Cards has come to life:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:17:15am

Unfortnately I think we’ll be lucky if we get rid of Trump by 2020.

And even if we do, we’re still stuck with a wingnut stacked SCOTUS for years.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:17:19am

re: #12 KerFuFFler

Reposted from below:

So, what progress has the administration made in “reviewing the vetting process”? The courts blocking the ban did nothing to keep the administration from improving the vetting process. They said they needed 3 months to improve it but now almost 6 months have gone by and they have no ideas for upgrading the vetting process? If they have any, why haven’t they implemented them? Wasn’t that the goal after all?

This point alone shows that the ban served no actual purpose other than allowing Trump to win points from his base for protecting them from scary brown people.

Dems obstructing we can’t get our nominees through.

You control Congress and you haven’t nominated anybody for these positions.

Russia investigation taking up time distraction and health care.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:18:15am

have we got a spammer in the pages?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:18:23am

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

repost from downstairs:

UNANIMOUS!!! All my Justices voted for ME!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:19:33am

re: #16 Dr. Matt

Hmm, I hate to be all False Flaggey about this, but it seems odd to me ISIS would pick such a random targets for an attack.

I suppose this could be the work of a sympathizer with no direct ties to the group.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:20:43am

re: #17 Eclectic Cyborg

Unfortnately I think we’ll be lucky if we get rid of Trump by 2020.

And even if we do, we’re still stuck with a wingnut stacked SCOTUS for years.

If we can just hold on until 2020, we’ll at least return to the balance we had before Scalia died. That said, I’m still furious over how that was stolen. This should be a much more left leaning SCOTUS and McConnell stole that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:21:24am

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

Hmm, I hate to be all False Flaggey about this, but it seems odd to me ISIS would pick such a random targets for an attack.

I suppose this could be the work of a sympathizer with no direct ties to the group.

Little way of finding out conclusively…but it is obviously the result of allowing hateful liberals to murder Donald Trump every night on stage in Central Park…

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KerFuFFler  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:21:36am

re: #18 Sir John Barron

Dems obstructing we can’t get our nominees through.

You control Congress and you haven’t nominated anybody for these positions.

Russia investigation taking up time distraction and health care.

Well yeah, it turns out that “presidenting” requires the ability to keep many balls in the air at once. He should get no pass for being distracted by the Russia investigation and healthcare. But his rubes will accept any excuse for him as long as he spits on brown people and immigrants.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:22:33am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:22:54am

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

Hmm, I hate to be all False Flaggey about this, but it seems odd to me ISIS would pick such a random targets for an attack.

I suppose this could be the work of a sympathizer with no direct ties to the group.

Or someone else entirely. Yeah, these seem like odd targets.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:23:33am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:24:42am

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

The real story is that President Obama did NOTHING after being informed in August about Russian meddling. With 4 months looking at Russia…

— Donald J. Trump

The real story is Russia perpetrating an attack on Americans and ratfvcking our electoral process, so what are you gonna do now on behalf of the United States?

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Citizen K  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:26:22am

It’s only Monday and this already feels like one of the bleakest weeks we’ve had since the election.

Mind…this may as well be said every fucking Monday but it doesn’t make it any less true. The Supreme Court may very well doom us to the full bore conservative dystopian paradise the GOP have been begging for, and there may be no fucking way around it anymore. Not for a generation, if we’re LUCKY it lasts only that long.

It’s getting hard not to feel defeatist when it seems like everything that could be reasonably fixed politically is now completely out of your hands because of one fucking Justice’s difference.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:26:52am

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

have we got a spammer in the pages?

Not any more.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:29:06am

re: #28 Sir John Barron

The real story is Russia perpetrating an attack on Americans and ratfvcking our electoral process, so what are you gonna do now on behalf of the United States?

Kiss up to Putin some more because Putin owns Trump’s sorry ass.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:29:24am

re: #29 Citizen K

It’s only Monday and this already feels like one of the bleakest weeks we’ve had since the election.

Mind…this may as well be said every fucking Monday but it doesn’t make it any less true. The Supreme Court may very well doom us to the full bore conservative dystopian paradise the GOP have been begging for, and there may be no fucking way around it anymore. Not for a generation, if we’re LUCKY it lasts only that long.

It’s getting hard not to feel defeatist when it seems like everything that could be reasonably fixed politically is now completely out of your hands because of one fucking Justice’s difference.

And remember that Trump has dozens many appointments to make in lower Fed. courts.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:29:49am

re: #27 jaunte

The real story is that President Obama did NOTHING after being informed in August about Russian meddling. With 4 months looking at Russia…

— Donald J. Trump

Obama could have retaliated in some stronger way and increased tensions.

Or you could followed the lead of Senator Rubio and declined to discuss or repeat any of the Wikileaks data dumps.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:30:08am

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

repost from downstairs:

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MORE JUSTICES VOTED FOR MY BAN THAN ANY CASE IN HISTORY!!!!!!

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:30:43am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:31:20am

re: #29 Citizen K

It’s only Monday and this already feels like one of the bleakest weeks we’ve had since the election.

Things are going to have to get a lot worse before they can even start to get a teensy bit better…let us hope that the damage does not turn out to be irreparable.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:32:38am
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KerFuFFler  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:33:03am

re: #29 Citizen K

It’s only Monday and this already feels like one of the bleakest weeks we’ve had since the election.

Mind…this may as well be said every fucking Monday but it doesn’t make it any less true. The Supreme Court may very well doom us to the full bore conservative dystopian paradise the GOP have been begging for, and there may be no fucking way around it anymore. Not for a generation, if we’re LUCKY it lasts only that long.

It’s getting hard not to feel defeatist when it seems like everything that could be reasonably fixed politically is now completely out of your hands because of one fucking Justice’s difference.

Oh, to have a magic wand that let the pernicious effects of Trump policies only affect his rube voters. (I’m compassionate enough to be willing to reinstate their rights and privileges once they have the scales fall from their eyes regarding Trump.)

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:33:59am

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

Hmm, I hate to be all False Flaggey about this, but it seems odd to me ISIS would pick such a random targets for an attack.

I suppose this could be the work of a sympathizer with no direct ties to the group.

My wife just pointed out that the site in New York is the Town of Brookhaven, which is here on Long Island.

Now, Brookhaven really doesn’t even attract attention out here.

They might be picking targets of opportunity - easy to hack, maybe - but they’d be hard-pressed to find a lower-profile site on Long Island to hack.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:34:42am

re: #36 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Things are going to have to get a lot worse before they can even start to get a teensy bit better…let us hope that the damage does not turn out to be irreparable.

Depends on how you phrase “irreparable.”

I mean, it’s kinda obvious that one political party — and everyone connected to it — is proudly touting itself as a malignant tumor on the entirety of civilization.

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:36:29am

Supreme Court Justice Merrick Garland can’t be reached for comment. /evergreen

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Myron Falwell  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:36:33am

re: #38 KerFuFFler

Oh, to have a magic wand that let the pernicious effects of Trump policies only affect his rube voters. (I’m compassionate enough to be willing to reinstate their rights and privileges once they have the scales fall from their eyes regarding Trump.)

We did that to Confederates after the Civil War ended. Fat load of good that did us.

Let ‘em suffer even after they repent.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:37:50am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:38:10am

re: #41 lawhawk

Supreme Court Justice Merrick Garland can’t be reached for comment. /evergreen

I’m never going to get over that and I hope Garland hasn’t either.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:38:52am

To be honest, the Supreme Court is why I preferred Clinton over Sanders amongst other reasons. I don’t think Sanders had a clue who he would put on the court. I bet Clinton had a long list ready.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:39:05am

re: #39 makeitstop

Precisely. That was the one that really stood out to me too.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:41:15am

re: #44 HappyWarrior

I’m never going to get over that and I hope Garland hasn’t either.

I’m not holding my breath, but Turtle Boy McConnell truly deserves a comeuppance worthy of fairy tales.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:44:38am

re: #42 Myron Falwell

We did that to Confederates after the Civil War ended. Fat load of good that did us.

Let ‘em suffer even after they repent.

Do not think they can learn or repent. The idea is to make sure that there are structures in place to limit the amount of damage they can do.

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Citizen K  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:45:35am

re: #47 Myron Falwell

I’m not holding my breath, but Turtle Boy McConnell truly deserves a comeuppance worthy of fairy tales.

Sadly, McConnell seems to be the climax of every non-sanitized fairy tale, where the bad guy wins, and kids are supposed to learn to avoid the very situation the fairy tale presented because you WILL get fucked over.

We’re Little Red Riding Hood now and the Big Bad Wolf’s jaws are around our head. And there’s no huntsman to save us in this version.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:47:39am

Jeez, how the hell did that happen?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:50:01am

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

Hmm, I hate to be all False Flaggey about this, but it seems odd to me ISIS would pick such a random targets for an attack.

I suppose this could be the work of a sympathizer with no direct ties to the group.

Could be crimes of opportunity. They found the sites that were easiest to hack and hacked away.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:51:22am

re: #51 I Would Prefer Not To

Could be crimes of opportunity. The found the sites that were easiest to hack and hacked away.

They all had the same combination.

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danarchy  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:51:22am

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

repost from downstairs:

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What was the breakdown in the scotus on this? The usual 5-4?

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Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:52:29am

It’s pretty clear now that somebody has put LGF and our Pages feature on some kind of spammer’s target list, because we’re suddenly getting a whole lot of this garbage.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:54:26am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:54:35am

re: #54 Charles Johnson

It’s pretty clear now that somebody has put LGF and our Pages feature on some kind of spammer’s target list, because we’re suddenly getting a whole lot of this garbage.

LGF is a site where anyone can post a story for free, so that’s going to happen. You could solve it by only allowing subscribers to post pages, but LGF is pretty well policed, so it’s probably not necessary.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:56:00am

re: #55 Stanley Sea

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He may have a floor unfortunately.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:57:17am

re: #47 Myron Falwell

I’m not holding my breath, but Turtle Boy McConnell truly deserves a comeuppance worthy of fairy tales.

Being beaten by Ashley Judd to put the Dems over the majority in 2020 would be nice.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:57:46am

re: #39 makeitstop

They might be picking targets of opportunity - easy to hack, maybe - but they’d be hard-pressed to find a lower-profile site on Long Island to hack.

Maybe, but once it starts getting reported on, it gets seen by lots more eyeballs.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:57:55am

No cameras at the press briefing. No truth at the press briefing. Soon, no briefing.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:58:09am

re: #55 Stanley Sea

You know you really suck when get back to 36% approval is something to celebrate.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:01:41am

re: #49 Citizen K

Sadly, McConnell seems to be the climax of every non-sanitized fairy tale, where the bad guy wins, and kids are supposed to learn to avoid the very situation the fairy tale presented because you WILL get fucked over.

We’re Little Red Riding Hood now and the Big Bad Wolf’s jaws are around our head. And there’s no huntsman to save us in this version.

No one will be able to learn a lesson from this, as we’ll all either be dead in a gory nuclear holocaust, rounded up and executed by the GOP thought police, or lobotomised to a Palin-level intellect with no insurance coverage to foot the bill.

Edit: I forgot the //// tag. Geez.

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:02:41am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:03:13am

re: #63 lawhawk

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Jesus just shut up already.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:04:08am

He’s eventually going to admit to everything but claim he’s immune from prosecution.

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Citizen K  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:08:10am

re: #65 HappyWarrior

He’s eventually going to admit to everything but claim he’s immune from prosecution.

I’m really falling back into the ‘nothing fucking matters’ malaise at this point, because it really does feel like, at this point, there is nothing we can do. We’re not even going to last until ‘18 between the giant drizzling shits the SCOTUS will leave us with, the Congressional GOP kabuki shows, and the burn-it-all-down contingent on our left hell bent on blowing up any chance we have of rectifying things. Everything feels irreparably fucked.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:08:34am

re: #65 HappyWarrior

He’s eventually going to admit to everything but claim he’s immune from prosecution.

It could be a setup for an insanity defense.

After all, he’s so unbelievably unreliable and keeps admitting to stuff in the midst of a torrential downpour of lies.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:09:49am
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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:09:50am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:11:06am
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KerFuFFler  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:12:54am

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump helped write Obamacare replacement bill, Speaker Ryan says

Then why has he repeatedly called it mean?

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petesh  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:13:45am

re: #71 KerFuFFler

Then why has he repeatedly called it mean?

Um, self-awareness? ////

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:14:58am

re: #66 Citizen K

I’m really falling back into the ‘nothing fucking matters’ malaise at this point, because it really does feel like, at this point, there is nothing we can do. We’re not even going to last until ‘18 between the giant drizzling shits the SCOTUS will leave us with, the Congressional GOP kabuki shows, and the burn-it-all-down contingent on our left hell bent on blowing up any chance we have of rectifying things. Everything feels irreparably fucked.

Goddamn it, take a breath.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:15:26am

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump helped write Obamacare replacement bill, Speaker Ryan says

With Crayola crayons or finger paint?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:16:02am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:17:19am

time for a cuteness break?

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:17:34am

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ryan has an active fantasy life.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:18:44am

If Trump was helping on AHCA at all it would be wrapped.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:20:42am
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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:21:39am

Another one where the assholy trinity dissented:

The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday overturned a state court ruling that allowed Arkansas to refuse to list both same-sex spouses on birth certificates, a decision that helps clarify the scope of protections provided by the high court’s landmark 2015 decision legalizing gay marriage…

Conservative Justices Neil Gorsuch, Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas dissented, saying the lower court decision should not have been reversed.

rawstory.com

Ugh. (And wishing strongly for continued good health and longevity for Justice Ginsburg.)

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:22:29am

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

time for a cuteness break?

As I watched that I kept muttering “roar, roar, roar.”

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:28:31am

re: #80 BeachDem

Conservative Justices Neil Gorsuch, Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas dissented, saying the lower court decision should not have been reversed

Yeah GFY, dissenters.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:29:24am

re: #80 BeachDem

Another one where the assholy trinity dissented:

The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday overturned a state court ruling that allowed Arkansas to refuse to list both same-sex spouses on birth certificates, a decision that helps clarify the scope of protections provided by the high court’s landmark 2015 decision legalizing gay marriage…

Conservative Justices Neil Gorsuch, Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas dissented, saying the lower court decision should not have been reversed.

rawstory.com

Ugh. (And wishing strongly for continued good health and longevity for Justice Ginsburg.)

If the State was allowed to block the spouse’s names then this would help society by….

I don’t know.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:32:05am

re: #69 jaunte

Specifically the Republican Party of the United States of America.

— Samuel Sinyangwe

Internet won.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:32:49am
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gocart mozart  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:33:23am

I had a dream last night that I was a White House correspondent and Trump was having his first press conference. I was in the front row and I asked him to comment on rumors that Melania was schtooping the head of security for Trump Tower and whether or not this officially made him a cuck. He flipped out and physically attacked me. Secret Service had to pull him off me but not before he landed a few blows. I didn’t fight back. I was contemplating which high priced litigator I was going to hire for the civil action for assault when I woke up.
perezhilton.com

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:33:25am

re: #73 makeitstop

Goddamn it, take a breath.

Yep. The world is still turning. We’re still here.

Fighting back from this isn’t going to be easy. I’m sure it felt similarly hopeless multiple times during our history. But we’re here and we’ve made progress in part because of the people who didn’t give up on the vision just because it was hard.

Despair is insidious and unhelpful if all it does is convince you that nothing you do matters. This is our fight. I don’t want to look back and know that I could have done more, if only I had tried.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:33:40am

re: #69 jaunte

Sean says president believes “Russia was probably involved” in meddling in the 2016 election - but “other countries were probably involved”

— Glenn Thrush

Well, this is almost progress. Maybe DJT can apologize to the US IC for impugning them and trusting MF Russia instead of his own country’s IC.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:34:08am

re: #85 jaunte

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Feature, not a bug.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:37:21am

re: #35 FormerDirtDart

Looking forward to OMB Director whining about CBO bias and irrelevancy.

//

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:37:45am

re: #88 Sir John Barron

Well, this is almost progress. Maybe DJT can apologize to the US IC for impugning them and trusting MF Russia instead of his own country’s IC.

“Other countries involved.” Fatmanistan?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:38:57am

He does not even know the difference between a 0 and O. SAD!

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:40:00am

re: #92 The Vicious Babushka

5AD!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:43:04am

re: #92 The Vicious Babushka

He does not even know the difference between a 0 and O. SAD!

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wasn’t unanimous and apparently no one has told him the actual details yet.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:43:17am

re: #69 jaunte

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GOP denial of Russian influence is collapsing rather suddenly. Probably a smoking gun revelation just around the corner.
Besides Hannity suggesting that treason isn’t really illegal, there have been other signs of lame damage control.
One recent theme (ca. past 48 hours) in RWNJ propaganda is to suggest equivalence between Republican collusion with Russia and Democratic “collusion” with Hollywood and the DNC. Yes, Hollywood liberals are the equivalent of the Russian secret service and Democrats collude with their own national committee.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:43:17am

re: #39 makeitstop

My wife just pointed out that the site in New York is the Town of Brookhaven, which is here on Long Island.

Now, Brookhaven really doesn’t even attract attention out here.

They might be picking targets of opportunity - easy to hack, maybe - but they’d be hard-pressed to find a lower-profile site on Long Island to hack.

They got a little further into bigger systems here in Ohio.

Here is an article that gives a bit more detail to the Ohio hacking.

Of course, our State Treasurer wingnut ex-Marine arrogant asshole Josh Mandel has to get in some BS.

NBC4i - Ohio government websites hacked with pro-Islamic State rant

COLUMBUS (WCMH/AP) — A number of government websites, many of them in Ohio, were hacked Sunday with a message that purports to be supportive of the Islamic State terrorist group.

A message posted on the website of Ohio Republican Gov. John Kasich said “You will be held accountable Trump, you and all your people for every drop of blood flowing in Muslim countries.”

The message, left by “Team System Dz,” also ended, “I love the Islamic state.”

According to the New York Post, the same message also infiltrated government websites in Brookhaven, New York.

The websites hacked with the message include Kasich’s, first lady Karen Kasich’s, the Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction, the Office of Workforce Transformation, the Casino Control Commission, Medicaid, the Office of Health Transformation and LeanOhio.

Tom Hoyt, chief communications officer with the Ohio Department of Administrative Services, provided NBC4 with the following statement:

“State of Ohio IT staff are working to restore the computer systems that were impacted today. All affected servers have been taken off line and we are investigating how these hackers were able to deface these websites. We also are working with law enforcement to better understand what happened.”

Hoyt said no information had been compromised.

Ohio Treasurer Josh Mandel posted about the alleged hack on Sunday. “Wake up freedom-loving Americans,” he said on Facebook. “Radical Islam infiltrating the heartland.”

Iframe

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:44:39am

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

wasn’t unanimous and apparently no one has told him the actual details yet.

He’s going to flip when he sees that.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:45:59am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:47:05am

It looks as though the Fucks News talking point is SO WHAT IF DONALD TRUMP COLLUDED WITH RUSSIA OR SHOT SOMEBODY (PREFERABLEY A LIBTARD OR A GAY OR N-WORD) ON 5TH AVE IN COLD BLOOD IT NOT A CRIME AT ALL BECAUSE HE WON TEH ELECTION & HE IS TEH POTUS SO HE CAN’T DO CRIME, THEIR IS NO SUCH THING AS CRIME WHEN YOUR TEH PREDISENT!!!!!!!

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:47:09am

re: #95 Shiplord Kirel

GOP denial of Russian influence is collapsing rather suddenly. Probably a smoking gun revelation just around the corner.
Besides Hannity suggesting that treason isn’t really illegal, there have been other signs of lame damage control.
One recent theme (ca. past 48 hours) in RWNJ propaganda is to suggest equivalence between Republican collusion with Russia and Democratic “collusion” with Hollywood and the DNC. Yes, Hollywood liberals are the equivalent of the Russian secret service and Democrats collude with their own national committee.

There was no Russian interference! It was an inside job by Seth Rich, that’s why he was killed!

OK, maybe some other country or parties interfered but so what?

OK probably maybe Russia, but so what how come Obama did nothing, and no collusion with Trump!

OK yeah Russia did it and Trump colluded by so what not illegal!

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Birth Control Works  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:47:22am

For the Record: Jewelry History’s Biggest, Most Expensive & Shocking Stats

$129 billion

Collective value of all the gold mined in 2016 (Source: Thomson Reuters)

2.5 miles

Depth of AngloGold Ashanti’s Mponeng gold mine in South Africa, the deepest in the world. At that depth, the mine walls are 140 degrees Fahrenheit, cooled with an elaborate system of giant fans and pipes pumping ice slush from the surface.

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:47:58am

re: #96 ObserverArt

Ohio Treasurer Josh Mandel posted about the alleged hack on Sunday. “Wake up freedom-loving Americans,” he said on Facebook. “Radical Islam infiltrating the heartland.”

If I didn’t know that Mandel is too stupid to have done it, I’d promulgate a conspiracy theory that the little twit did it himself, just to be able to light his hair on fire and write that on his facebook.
//

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:48:13am

re: #97 HappyWarrior

He’s going to flip when he sees that.

His staff can just tell him that the reports of a non-unanimous SCOTUS are fake news.

/

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:48:50am

re: #99 The Vicious Babushka

Upding for Fucks News.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:50:44am
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Belafon  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:52:26am

A big reason they’re trying to say collusion isn’t bad is they ran in to the Mueller wall. No matter what they tried, they couldn’t discredit Mueller, and they’ve been told that firing him would bring down the entire White House. So, now, they have to try to limit the damage he and his group will do to them.

I’m kind of hoping Mueller gets Trump for tax evasion just to make history rhyme.

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gocart mozart  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:53:28am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:55:33am

re: #107 Belafon

A big reason they’re trying to say collusion isn’t bad is they ran in to the Mueller wall. No matter what they tried, they couldn’t discredit Mueller, and they’ve been told that firing him would bring down the entire White House. So, now, they have to try to limit the damage he and his group will do to them.

I’m kind of hoping Mueller gets Trump for tax evasion just to make history rhyme.

Have they dropped the Mueller smear campaign already? Newt was tweeting twice a day on that meme.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:56:17am

re: #108 gocart mozart

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Diplomatic staff have diplomatic immunity.

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gocart mozart  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:57:29am

One of the better Trump parady songs out there IMHO

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Birth Control Works  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:59:00am

re: #106 Birth Control Works

In honor of Obiwan:

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Is anyone here old enough to remember Obiwan? Long time poster here at LGF, sadly is no longer with us. He always signed-off with “play nice.”

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:59:22am

re: #109 Sir John Barron

Have they dropped the Mueller smear campaign already? Newt was tweeting twice a day on that meme.

It’s winding down, being replaced by “So what if we colluded with a foreign government?”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:00:59pm

re: #105 Birth Control Works

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Hypocritical prick.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:02:23pm

re: #113 Belafon

It’s winding down, being replaced by “So what if we colluded with a foreign government?”

DJT collusion with Russia was actually patriotic because Crooked Hillary and emails and Bill Clinton collusion with AG Lynch, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:03:48pm

re: #115 Sir John Barron

DJT collusion with Russia was actually patriotic because Crooked Hillary and emails and Bill Clinton collusion with AG Lynch, etc.

Hannity would justify Benedict Arnold if Arnold were a conservative Republican who screwed over liberals.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:05:49pm

THERE IS A GOD!
New Orleans’ Marijuana Decriminalization Ordinance Goes Into Effect Today

The New Orleans Police Department will be begin enforcing the city’s new marijuana ordinance today. In accordance with the law, which was unanimously passed by the City Council earlier this year, most marijuana possession violations will result in a summons and a fine of $40-$100.

NOPD Superintendent Michael Harrison clarified the new rules in a press conference earlier this week. According to nola.com, he explained that the new law applies to anyone over the age of 17 that is carrying less than 2.5 pounds of marijuana.

However, officers will still be able to arrest people if they believe they are distributing marijuana, and they will still be able to make possession arrests under certain circumstances using state law. Arrests made under state law will need to be approved by a supervisor, and officers are instructed to issue a municipal summons unless the suspect is in a drug-free zone (near schools, churches, etc.) or is being arrested on other state charges,

The changes only apply to the NOPD, who are predominantly governed by municipal law. State Police officers, who have a heavy presence in the French Quarter, confirmed that they will still make all of their arrests under the much stricter state laws, which can include jail time.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:06:16pm

re: #115 Sir John Barron

DJT collusion with Russia was actually patriotic because Crooked Hillary and emails and Bill Clinton collusion with AG Lynch, etc.

Crooked Hillary colluded with Bill so much they generated a Chelsea to further their collusion.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:06:19pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

Hannity would justify Benedict Arnold if Arnold were a conservative Republican who screwed over liberals.

“So he colluded with the British. So what? George Washington colluded with the French. At least the British spoke English, just like the Russians are Christians instead of Muslim atheists like the DNC and Hollywood.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:07:44pm

re: #119 Shiplord Kirel

“So he colluded with the British. So what? George Washington colluded with the French. At least the British spoke English, just like the Russians are Christians instead of Muslim atheists like the DNC and Hollywood.”

Ha!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:09:23pm

“So Hitler decided to invade Poland. So what?”

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allegro  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:10:40pm

re: #121 Eclectic Cyborg

“So Hitler decided to invade Poland. So what?”

So Bush decided to invade Iraq. So what?

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danarchy  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:10:53pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

wasn’t unanimous and apparently no one has told him the actual details yet.

What were the details? Looks like the decision was Per Curiam doesn’t that mean the whole court concurred? I am not a lawyer I just googled Per Curiam so it is entirely possible I am wrong.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:11:44pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

Hannity would justify Benedict Arnold if Arnold were a conservative Republican who screwed over liberals.

Lumpy wouldn’t know the meaning of “scrupulous” even if it was beaten upside his head with a balpeen hammer.

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scottslemmons  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:14:44pm

re: #124 Myron Falwell

Lumpy wouldn’t know the meaning of “scrupulous” even if it was beaten upside his head with a balpeen hammer.

We need to experiment to see if that’s so!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:16:09pm

re: #123 danarchy

What were the details? Looks like the decision was Per Curiam doesn’t that mean the whole court concurred? I am not a lawyer I just googled Per Curiam so it is entirely possible I am wrong.

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Three justices dissented in part because the opinion did not completely reinstate the ban. That means it was not unanimous.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:17:04pm

re: #85 jaunte

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Aww, who the hell listens to the AMA?

Certainly not the Republicans.

Do you hear that AMA? I know a good portion (majority?) of your members are Republicans. After all this mess with healthcare legislation those Republican members better start asking why the are members of the GOP. And when considering it remember the Hippocratic Oath.

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:18:15pm

re: #119 Shiplord Kirel

“So he colluded with the British. So what? George Washington colluded with the French. At least the British spoke English, just like the Russians are Christians instead of Muslim atheists like the DNC and Hollywood.”

Washington colluded with the France, Prussia, and Poland. Lafayette. Von Steuben. Pulaski. Kosciusko.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:18:28pm

Trump’s right on this one - it was unanimous, 9-0. The only dispute was from Alito, Thomas and Gorsuch, who didn’t want the conditions that were decided on.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:19:01pm
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Jay C  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:19:34pm

re: #128 lawhawk

Washington colluded with the France, Prussia, and Poland. Lafayette. Von Steuben. Pulaski. Kosciusko.

Everybody forgets Poland…

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Birth Control Works  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:19:40pm

Doctors and Health Care Administrators have to be shitting bricks waiting for all this to work thru the system. ACA hasn’t completely done so yet, and now politiciains are doing it again.

We are going to lose health care professionals, which for someone like me in Chicagoland means I might have to drive a few xtra minutes. For some it means taking off work to go to the doctor… .

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:22:22pm

re: #132 Birth Control Works

Doctors and Health Care Administrators have to be shitting bricks waiting for all this to work thru the system. ACA hasn’t completely done so yet, and now politiciains are doing it again.

We are going to lose health care professionals, which for someone like me in Chicagoland means I might have to drive a few xtra minutes. For some it means taking off work to go to the doctor… .

Oh, but for people like my in-laws, this probably has to pass because the ACA has meant that there were fewer doctors because it imposed so much record-keeping requirements, etc. that they were leaving the field.

Not being sarcastic, this is actually what has been said to me. Multiple times. (I try very hard not to roll my eyes too excessively when she talks about having to find a new doctor because theirs moved on to a different position that doesn’t take outside clients because guess what? If my insurance stops covering my current doctor I HAVE TO SWITCH TOO. THAT’S HOW IT WORKS. SUCK IT UP. Ahem.)

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:22:48pm

re: #92 The Vicious Babushka

He does not even know the difference between a 0 and O. SAD!

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Heh, a lot of people say nine to “oh” so dumbass went with the letter “O.”

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Birth Control Works  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:22:56pm

Feds Finally Send Help To Chicago To Fight Violence — New Van To Track Guns

BRIDGEPORT — Six months after President Donald Trump threatened to “send in the feds” to combat gun and gang violence in Chicago, the city is finally getting new federal crime-fighting resources, Mayor Rahm Emanuel announced Monday.

Emanuel, U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin and Chicago Police Supt. Eddie Johnson announced that the Department of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms had deployed a high-tech van in Chicago that can immediately test guns and shell casings at crime scenes throughout the city, according to a statement from the mayor’s office.

“I’m glad the feds have arrived,” Durbin said at the press conference at the Deering police district headquarters.

The van first hit Chicago’s streets three weeks ago, and is scheduled to remain in the city until the end of July — but Emanuel, Johnson and Durbin said they would ask Attorney General Jeff Sessions to allow the van to stay until Labor Day.

“Chicago needs this van full time,” Durbin said.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:23:42pm

The Lincoln-Johnson administration’s policy of conciliation toward the defeated south was certainly understandable, even praiseworthy in some respects. In retrospect though it was one of the most disastrous errors in history. The federal government had every right to hang the traitors and confiscate their property. The fetish for “national reconciliation” created Jim Crow, delayed civil rights for a hundred years, and permitted the institutionalized spread of the false “Lost Cause” mythology. The soft treatment of the captured rebel ringleaders was unprecedented at the time, and would be considered exceptional and unwise even today.
And what thanks does Lincoln get from the Confederates for his forbearance? He is vilified as a dictator and tyrant who deserved to be shot.

RWNjs are determined to launch another civil war. The outcome will be the same too. Don’t make the same mistake again when it’s over.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:24:03pm

re: #133 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Oh, but for people like my in-laws, this probably has to pass because the ACA has meant that there were fewer doctors because it imposed so much record-keeping requirements, etc. that they were leaving the field.

Not being sarcastic, this is actually what has been said to me. Multiple times. (I try very hard not to roll my eyes too excessively when she talks about having to find a new doctor because theirs moved on to a different position that doesn’t take outside clients because guess what? If my insurance stops covering my current doctor I HAVE TO SWITCH TOO. THAT’S HOW IT WORKS. SUCK IT UP. Ahem.)

the uncertainty alone has to be affecting medical care.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:24:40pm

re: #131 Jay C

Everybody forgets Poland…

Heh I laughed at Bush when he said that but at least he appreciated actual allies.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:24:48pm

re: #136 Shiplord Kirel

The Lincoln-Johnson administration’s policy of conciliation toward the defeated south was certainly understandable, even praiseworthy in some respects. In retrospect though it was one of the most disastrous errors in history. The federal government had every right to hang the traitors and confiscate their property. The fetish for “national reconciliation” created Jim Crow, delayed civil rights for a hundred years, and permitted the institutionalized spread of the false “Lost Cause” mythology. The soft treatment of the captured rebel ringleaders was unprecedented at the time, and would be considered exceptional and unwise even today.
And what thanks does Lincoln get from the Confederates for his forbearance? He is vilified as a dictator and tyrant who deserved to be shot.

RWNjs are determined to launch another civil war. The outcome will be the same too. Don’t make the same mistake again when it’s over.

They want a world war —a crusade.

“Bring on the Rapture!”

/gah

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:25:18pm

re: #132 Birth Control Works

Doctors and Health Care Administrators have to be shitting bricks waiting for all this to work thru the system. ACA hasn’t completely done so yet, and now politiciains are doing it again.

We are going to lose health care professionals, which for someone like me in Chicagoland means I might have to drive a few xtra minutes. For some it means taking off work to go to the doctor… .

I have a friend who does medical coding (my wife did it until she changed jobs). It’s chaotic in the whole industry right now because of what Republicans are doing and trying to do.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:26:29pm

re: #133 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Oh, but for people like my in-laws, this probably has to pass because the ACA has meant that there were fewer doctors because it imposed so much record-keeping requirements, etc. that they were leaving the field.

Not being sarcastic, this is actually what has been said to me. Multiple times. (I try very hard not to roll my eyes too excessively when she talks about having to find a new doctor because theirs moved on to a different position that doesn’t take outside clients because guess what? If my insurance stops covering my current doctor I HAVE TO SWITCH TOO. THAT’S HOW IT WORKS. SUCK IT UP. Ahem.)

I remember way back in time during the ACA debate, Michele Bachmann whining about how letting all of those poors get insurance meant that those same poors would be clogging up her doctor’s waiting room and getting the same care that should go to HER family first…

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Birth Control Works  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:31:38pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

I remember way back in time during the ACA debate, Michele Bachmann whining about how letting all of those poors get insurance meant that those same poors would be clogging up her doctor’s waiting room and getting the same care that should go to HER family first…

I’d pay $1K to never hear that woman’s name, see her face or hear her voice again.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:31:53pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

I remember way back in time during the ACA debate, Michele Bachmann whining about how letting all of those poors get insurance meant that those same poors would be clogging up her doctor’s waiting room and getting the same care that should go to HER family first…

That is how the DETH PANNELS!!!1!!! legend came about. Wingnuts claimed health care would be rationed and nobody would go into the medical profession any more BECAUSE THEY WILL MAKE TEH DOCKTERS WORK FOR FREE HEALING ALL THE POORS!!!!!1!!!!

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:34:23pm

re: #131 Jay C

Except when they’re trying to get to Russia or Germany. Then everyone’s in a huge hurry to get there and back. /

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:35:43pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:36:36pm

re: #119 Shiplord Kirel

“So he colluded with the British. So what? George Washington colluded with the French. At least the British spoke English, just like the Russians are Christians instead of Muslim atheists like the DNC and Hollywood.”

NATO is a whole bunch of countries that are colluding. So was NAFTA.

That is why Trump wants them gone. All that collusion stuffs.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:36:47pm

Our pal the Nigerian spammer just tried to confirm another account he registered earlier this month. Uh, nope to the nopey nope.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:37:11pm

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST THING YOU WILL SEE ALL DAY
(well OK maybe it is the stupidest thing you will see until 4:00)

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Myron Falwell  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:37:19pm

re: #136 Shiplord Kirel

RWNjs are determined to launch another civil war. The outcome will be the same too. Don’t make the same mistake again when it’s over.

What’s troubling is that it looks more like a Rwandan-level genocide than a basic contested war.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:37:33pm
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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:39:43pm

re: #148 The Vicious Babushka

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST THING YOU WILL SEE ALL DAY
(well OK maybe it is the stupidest thing you will see until 4:00)

Remember when it was Bill and Hillary Clinton who forced DJT on the GOP?

Good times….

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Myron Falwell  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:39:44pm

re: #148 The Vicious Babushka

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST THING YOU WILL SEE ALL DAY
(well OK maybe it is the stupidest thing you will see until 4:00)

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Tomi Lahren is still alive relevant?

Man, if that’s the best pro-Trump Super PACs can do….

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:46:03pm

re: #152 Myron Falwell

Tomi Lahren is only 24. She’ll be around to annoy us for awhile.

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gocart mozart  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:46:53pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dave In Austin  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:47:02pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:50:54pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Was there a delay or something for new accounts? Maybe x comments or y karma before a new one gets the privilege? Just a thought.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:51:09pm

re: #148 The Vicious Babushka

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST THING YOU WILL SEE ALL DAY
(well OK maybe it is the stupidest thing you will see until 4:00)

“Keep up with the program, guys. We’re over Mueller. Make an ad that says it’s OK to collude.”

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gocart mozart  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:02:47pm
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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:04:21pm

The reminder here isn’t to compare Senate Trumpcare with House Trumpcare, but how the CBO rates both against Obamacare.

Both fail tens of millions of Americans by gutting their coverage. There’s no way around that inescapable fact, not that the GOP cares. They’re too busy looking to roll back the Great Society and New Deal to care about things like millions losing their health coverage so millionaires can see bigger tax breaks.

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gocart mozart  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:05:08pm
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Ace-o-aces  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:06:59pm

Almost forgot about this asshole. Was he kicked off Twitter?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:08:08pm

re: #158 gocart mozart

The only crime is you people saying it’s a crime and for the investigation and because Mueller is liberal Democrat in league with Clintons and Comey, also a liberal Democrat.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:09:02pm

re: #160 gocart mozart

Raised eyebrow stock photo woman has questions.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:09:15pm

re: #38 KerFuFFler

I’m compassionate enough to be willing to reinstate their rights and privileges once they have the scales fall from their eyes regarding Trump.

It will never happen. No contrary information can penetrate their minds and they are incapable of the doubt that could lead to self-discovery.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:09:45pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:12:31pm

re: #161 Ace-o-aces

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Almost forgot about this asshole. Was he kicked off Twitter?

Martin Shkreli has the same forced fake smile as Trump. Must be a part of a certain human characteristic…asshole.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:13:41pm
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Belafon  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:13:59pm

re: #166 ObserverArt

Martin Shkreli has the same forced fake smile as Trump. Must be a part of a certain human characteristic…asshole.

It’s hard to make the puckered O shape into a smile.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:14:38pm

re: #163 jaunte

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Raised eyebrow stock photo woman has questions.

Of course it is a stock photo. I bet the model would not like the use of her image this way, but she most likely signed a model release that allows it to be used in any manner.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:16:26pm

re: #157 Belafon

“Keep up with the program, guys. We’re over Mueller. Make an ad that says it’s OK to collude.”

“How much money are we setting on fire with this stupid ad now that we’ve changed the meme? Oh well, who cares, maybe the rubes can argue both simultaneously.”

/

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Jay C  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:16:28pm

re: #169 ObserverArt

Of course it is a stock photo. I bet the model would not like the use of her image this way, but she most likely signed a model release that allows it to be used in any manner.

I’d still like to hear from her though: preferably ripping TP USA a new one for using her image in as stupid an ad as that…..

And PS: Stock photos? Chomsky I can understand, but they didn’t have the budget to shoot a “real” spokesdrone? One of their unpaid interns, maybe???

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:17:00pm

re: #169 ObserverArt

Of course it is a stock photo. I bet the model would not like the use of her image this way, but she most likely signed a model release that allows it to be used in any manner.

It’s important to keep pointing out the stock photos, because the entire intent of that ad is to have the viewer believe a real black woman is having that thought. And it works.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:18:18pm
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Ace-o-aces  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:22:09pm
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Romantic Heretic  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:22:19pm

re: #131 Jay C

Everybody forgets Poland…

They also forget von Steuben was gay.

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Jack Burton  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:24:26pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:25:09pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is the idiot DJT WH not counting Medicaid new covers by ACA?

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:25:37pm

re: #143 The Vicious Babushka

Of course they never mentioned that before the ACA healthcare was already rationed in a heartless, cruel and arbitrary manner.

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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:26:36pm
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allegro  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:26:47pm

re: #177 Sir John Barron

Is the idiot DJT WH not counting Medicaid new covers by ACA?

Wasn’t that also before the SCOTUS said states could opt out of the Medicaid expansion?

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gocart mozart  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:26:56pm
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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:27:21pm

BREAKING: TrumpCare is a fucking failure

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:27:23pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:29:21pm
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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:29:21pm

re: #182 Dr. Matt

BREAKING: TrumpCare is a fucking failure

22 million more than ACA, or just 22 million in general? There would still be a lot of uninsured even under the ACA.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:30:01pm

re: #182 Dr. Matt

BREAKING: TrumpCare is a fucking failure

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Breaking…it’s exactly what we expected it to be.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:31:22pm

re: #185 Sir John Barron

22 million more than ACA, or just 22 million in general? There would still be a lot of uninsured even under the ACA.

22 million is an improvement on 23 million losing healthcare in the House bill, and those million are likely made up of people who die due to lack of Medicaid coverage.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:31:51pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:32:08pm

re: #185 Sir John Barron

22 million more than ACA, or just 22 million in general? There would still be a lot of uninsured even under the ACA.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:32:35pm

re: #185 Sir John Barron

22 million more than ACA, or just 22 million in general? There would still be a lot of uninsured even under the ACA.

Refresh my post. I added information to answer your question.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:33:11pm
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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:33:26pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

Can’t see the Twitter pics right now. But I think Dr. Matt added to his post, which answered my question.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:34:50pm

re: #191 darthstar

Stop paying attention to the FAILING CBO and FAILING Katy Tur and FAILING Nate Silver!

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Birth Control Works  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:35:46pm

bbl

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:36:05pm

re: #193 Sir John Barron

Stop paying attention to the FAILING CBO and FAILING Katy Tur and FAILING Nate Silver!

Bottom line is that the Senate will fuck you faster.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:36:54pm

re: #191 darthstar

CBO
2018: 15 million *more* uninsured
2020: 19 million
2026: 22 million

— Katy Tur

Total vindicated! Validated! Increase insured and uninsured! Winning! Replace FAILING ACA that everybody hates. Believe me.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:37:40pm

re: #195 darthstar

Bottom line is that the Senate will fuck you faster.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:40:18pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:41:39pm

All the professional medial orgs hate it. AMA etc. Paged earlier.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:43:03pm

re: #198 jaunte

Sounds problematic.

/

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:43:54pm

23 million? 22 million? We’re talking about millions losing coverage, including millions who have employer based coverage? And for what? Millionaires getting big tax breaks on the backs of millions losing their coverage and life savings should they need health treatment, nursing care, etc.

These craven fuckers are still playing at the same game. The only question is how many millions lose coverage.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:44:49pm

re: #200 Sir John Barron

“Older voters (ages 65 and older) preferred Trump over Clinton 53%-45%.”
pewresearch.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:45:33pm
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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:46:18pm
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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:47:04pm

re: #203 jaunte

“Older voters (ages 65 and older) preferred Trump over Clinton 53%-45%.”
pewresearch.org

Great job, everyone.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:47:23pm

re: #180 allegro

Wasn’t that also before the SCOTUS said states could opt out of the Medicaid expansion?

Bingo. Also the figuring of percentages in that tweet is all wrong.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:47:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:48:14pm
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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:51:22pm

There’s only one GOP solution for this disaster: eliminating the CBO.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:51:24pm
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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:52:31pm

“More concerned”. FFS

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:53:08pm

re: #163 jaunte

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Raised eyebrow stock photo woman has questions.

They could have just used Ivanka—it’s one of her favorite “contemplative” poses.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:53:55pm

In 1993 my mom was laid off from her job as a cafeteria worker at age 59, 6 months after a breast cancer diagnosis and mastectomy. She could keep her insurance through COBRA, but it would have cost more than $900 per month, 24 years ago (oh, and she made less than $10/hour at the time she was laid off).

She had *access* to healthcare, she just couldn’t afford what was available.

She did not sign up for COBRA because she couldn’t afford it and was never insurable again due to her pre-existing condition, until she qualified for Medicare.

This is where we are headed again. I’ve said it here before and I know I’m preaching to the choir but until you’ve taken your mom to receive cancer treatment at the local “free clinic,” you haven’t fully experienced how shitty our system was before ACA.

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:55:45pm

re: #187 darthstar

22 million is an improvement on 23 million losing healthcare in the House bill, and those million are likely made up of people who die due to lack of Medicaid coverage.

“If they’re going to die then let them die,
and reduce the surplus population!”

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:56:29pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:57:32pm
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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:57:35pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:58:30pm

in other news:

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:59:02pm

re: #214 Flying Squirrel Girl

Ayep.

The GOP strategy is breaking health coverage for millions of Americans all to give millionaires tax breaks. And it’s worked so far. The House passed their version of this insanity, and it’s quite likely the Senate will do the same.

Reconciliation will average the numbers, and we’ll have 22.5 million fewer Americans with health coverage.

Medical bankruptcies will soar - both among the formerly insured (or now underinsured because the GOP cost-shifting) and with the hospitals losing reimbursements that resulted from more people being insured.

GOP doesn’t care how coverage works. They only care how much they can gut of the Great Society.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:00:32pm

re: #212 Dr. Matt

“More concerned”. FFS

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I got my ass sitting right here on the fence and I am so concerned.

I am non-committed because I know this is going to cost me political points and maybe my seat.

So, I am going to stay on this fence non-committed for as long as I can before voting because I want to make sure of my vote.

How late at night on Friday are we going to hold off voting on this sucker? How long before it hits the news and all? I need to know how to schedule getting out of town and on vacation without being seen.

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EmmaAnne  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:00:47pm

I’m hoping some of our travellers can give me some ideas. Our daughter is in the Vancouver airport, and

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Stanley Sea  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:01:33pm

re: #203 jaunte

“Older voters (ages 65 and older) preferred Trump over Clinton 53%-45%.”
pewresearch.org

65, they’ve got Medicare.

It’s the olds who are not there yet who are going to have to forego insurance in order to pay the rent.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:01:46pm

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

They hid the fucking piece of shit under the cloak of darkness until the last minute… under the hopes the CBO couldn’t score it in time… and they STILL fucked that up.

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piratedan  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:01:47pm

re: #213 BeachDem

chances are, they would have had to pay her royalties….

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:01:56pm

re: #203 jaunte

“Older voters (ages 65 and older) preferred Trump over Clinton 53%-45%.”
pewresearch.org

I try really hard not to think about stats like these because the reality is that there are many older folks who didn’t support Trump.

At the same time, I am looking at having to live with the consequences of the short-sighted decision that the majority of these older voters made for far longer than they ever will, a decision I will be paying far more for, and I can understand where the rage comes from that occasionally gets expressed in some of the stupid generational statements.

I also try to recognize that those statements help nothing at all and the thing that does help is to buckle down and keep working on it. So. Such is life, I guess.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:02:13pm

re: #202 lawhawk

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23 million? 22 million? We’re talking about millions losing coverage, including millions who have employer based coverage? And for what? Millionaires getting big tax breaks on the backs of millions losing their coverage and life savings should they need health treatment, nursing care, etc.

These craven fuckers are still playing at the same game. The only question is how many millions lose coverage.

Sorry Mike but this is exactly what he is. Aren’t you proud that your daughter’s washing his balls for him? /

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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:03:57pm

re: #222 EmmaAnne

I’m hoping some of our travellers can give me some ideas. Our daughter is in the Vancouver airport, and

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Myron Falwell  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:04:13pm

re: #202 lawhawk

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23 million? 22 million? We’re talking about millions losing coverage, including millions who have employer based coverage? And for what? Millionaires getting big tax breaks on the backs of millions losing their coverage and life savings should they need health treatment, nursing care, etc.

These craven fuckers are still playing at the same game. The only question is how many millions lose coverage.

Fuckabee is just trying to play the Trump “that’s a mean bill” game. Simple as that.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:04:48pm

re: #222 EmmaAnne

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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:05:07pm

re: #222 EmmaAnne

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:06:16pm

re: #222 EmmaAnne
How to Report your Lost or Stolen Passport

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:08:34pm

re: #229 Myron Falwell

Fuckabee is just trying to play the Trump “that’s a mean bill” game. Simple as that.

I think I heard Trump say in the last day or so something to the effect of: “It’s a good bill, maybe not as great as we want, but it is good.”

Backing down those promises Donny.

That’s a good con. Donny. Who’s a good con? Donny is. Pets!

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:09:09pm

If this POS TrumpCare bill passes, republican voters will finally get to feel real pain for voting against their best interests.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:09:48pm

My Senator. JFC.

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gocart mozart  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:10:15pm
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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:10:18pm

re: #234 Dr. Matt

If this POS TrumpCare bill passes, republican voters will finally get to feel real pain for voting against themselves.

It will be more than offset for them by watching the pain of HRC voters.

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piratedan  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:10:32pm

re: #235 jaunte

he’s right, dead people don’t tend to pay their premiums….

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Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:11:06pm

re: #29 Citizen K

It’s only Monday and this already feels like one of the bleakest weeks we’ve had since the election.

Mind…this may as well be said every fucking Monday but it doesn’t make it any less true. The Supreme Court may very well doom us to the full bore conservative dystopian paradise the GOP have been begging for, and there may be no fucking way around it anymore. Not for a generation, if we’re LUCKY it lasts only that long.

It’s getting hard not to feel defeatist when it seems like everything that could be reasonably fixed politically is now completely out of your hands because of one fucking Justice’s difference.

I’m trying hard to find silver linings. Best I can come up with, is if the GOP makes life so very miserable for poor/young/Latino/black voters, maybe we’ll see some of the people in those voting cohorts actually get off their asses and vote these fuckers out.

Meanwhile, voting by Latinos clocks in at 28%. In true-blue California.
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:11:35pm

re: #235 jaunte

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My Senator. JFC.

Money is all these people care about. 23 million without health care? Chronically ill people dying? Gets a big fat shrug from them, as long as it puts money in their pockets. Fucking despicable.

Speaking of fucking despicable, I guessed at the headline of this thread when one of my wingnut friends started crowing about the decision this morning on FB. I’m surprised they put it under such restrictions as they did, I figured they signed off on it outright. I didn’t know the travel ban was even temporary, I thought it was permanent from the outset.

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CongoJack  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:11:39pm

re: #223 Stanley Sea

65, they’ve got Medicare.

It’s the olds who are not there yet who are going to have to forego insurance in order to pay the rent.

Sadly that is not the case. If you are 65 and older and in a nursing home or assisted living you are getting Medicaid (not Medicare) money to cover that cost. The old people WILL be out in the streets because of this. And the elderly care industry will go into nothing.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:11:39pm

re: #238 piratedan

he’s right, dead people don’t tend to pay their premiums….

Or demand expensive surgery.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:12:01pm

Senate Health Care Plan Will Provide Better Care For Americans

Published on Jun 26, 2017

WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) made the following remarks today on the Senate floor outlining the Senate Republican health care plan.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:12:56pm

re: #240 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

when one of my wingnut friends started crowing about the decision this morning on FB.

I’m sure it made a big difference in his daily life/

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:13:25pm

re: #235 jaunte

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My Senator. JFC.

Fucker.

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piratedan  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:13:26pm

re: #243 Backwoods_Sleuth

OMG, Tan Suit! Is McConnell not taking THIS seriously?

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Myron Falwell  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:13:32pm

re: #234 Dr. Matt

If this POS TrumpCare bill passes, republican voters will finally get to feel real pain for voting against themselves.

Nope. They’ll blame no one but Democrats and issue a fatwa on them all for instigating this misery.

Republican voters are that stupid and beyond any hope, because JEEEEESSUUS.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:14:04pm

re: #243 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It works if you define “Americans” selectively.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:15:07pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:15:11pm

re: #244 jaunte

I’m sure it made a big difference in his daily life/

I don’t know. Is Somalia on the list of restricted countries?

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:15:34pm

re: #226 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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EmmaAnne  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:15:37pm

Okay, another question. Do taxis in Vancouver take Applepay? Or can she just give them the credit card number if she doesn’t have the card?

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:15:44pm

re: #239 Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)

I’m trying hard to find silver linings. Best I can come up with, is if the GOP makes life so very miserable for poor/young/Latino/black voters, maybe we’ll see some of the people in those voting cohorts actually get off their asses and vote these fuckers out.

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You know the Bernie supporters will say, “see, this is proof he woulda won. He turned on all those younger voters like never before and Hillary just turned them off when she cheated her way to the nomination. And oh yeah, her emails.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:15:58pm
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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:16:00pm

re: #250 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yes, it is.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:17:01pm

re: #239 Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)

I’m trying hard to find silver linings. Best I can come up with, is if the GOP makes life so very miserable for poor/young/Latino/black voters, maybe we’ll see some of the people in those voting cohorts actually get off their asses and vote these fuckers out.

…and they’ll find out that these fuckers have permanently rigged the system so they’ll remain in power forever and ever. Followed of course by the GOP rank-and-file rounding up any and all dissenters and “eliminating” the problem.

The Hunger Games is now being used as a how-to guide.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:17:19pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:17:49pm

re: #255 jaunte

Yes, it is.

Then it might actually affect his daily life. Please recall that Minnesota is home to one of the biggest Somalian refugee populations worldwide, for whatever reason. This decision would mean fewer black people for him to have to interact with.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:18:21pm

re: #252 EmmaAnne

Okay, another question. Do taxis in Vancouver take Applepay? Or can she just give them the credit card number if she doesn’t have the card?

That I can’t answer. This is one of the situations where if she does have Uber/Lyft on her phone and they’re active in the area, I would use it.

Of course she’s going to need to report the card missing/stolen but doing that is going to leave her stranded so I recommend she keep track of what she does use it for in case extra charges show up.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:19:51pm

re: #243 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Video

YOU LIE!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:20:27pm

Hey Backwoods_Sleuth, what was in your pasta salad from yesterday?

I’m mostly on my own for dinner this week and having cleaned out the fridge, I’ve decided I can do a pasta salad tomorrow. Yours looked good.

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EmmaAnne  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:21:26pm

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Lyft! Of course. It runs in Vancouver too.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:21:42pm

I disagree with Jon here. This vote is a fait accompli and the Republican Party is that evil and corrupt from the inside out.

We are effectively powerless to stop it, unless I’m proven dramatically wrong.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:22:09pm

re: #224 Myron Falwell

They hid the fucking piece of shit under the cloak of darkness until the last minute… under the hopes the CBO couldn’t score it in time… and they STILL fucked that up.

I’m pretty sure the reconciliation rules that they want to use require the bill to have a CBO score. Just FYI.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:23:03pm

re: #263 Myron Falwell

It may be a fait accompli, but to me, that doesn’t mean we roll over and die. Keep fighting anyway. Even if we lose, we did the right thing. That’s the thought I keep clinging to in these dark times. Win, lose, or draw - I stood for what was right and tried my damnedest to make a positive difference.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:24:37pm

re: #261 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Hey Backwoods_Sleuth, what was in your pasta salad from yesterday?

I’m mostly on my own for dinner this week and having cleaned out the fridge, I’ve decided I can do a pasta salad tomorrow. Yours looked good.

cheese-stuffed tortellinis, artichoke hearts, baby spinach, black olives, grape tomatoes, crumbled feta, parmesan, salami, prosciutto ham.
dressing: olive oil, balsamic vinegar, minced garlic, italian seasonings, honey, salt, pepper.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:26:44pm

re: #263 Myron Falwell

I disagree with Jon here. This vote is a fait accompli and the Republican Party is that evil and corrupt from the inside out.

We are effectively powerless to stop it, unless I’m proven dramatically wrong.

His point is to not give up.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:27:13pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:28:41pm

re: #263 Myron Falwell

Win or lose events and history favor those that do continue over those that hesitate or quit. Abolition took a long time.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:29:12pm

re: #265 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It may be a fait accompli, but to me, that doesn’t mean we roll over and die. Keep fighting anyway. Even if we lose, we did the right thing. That’s the thought I keep clinging to in these dark times. Win, lose, or draw - I stood for what was right and tried my damnedest to make a positive difference.

It’s only definitively over when I’m dead or I’ve given up. Otherwise I’m just laying the foundations to build on tomorrow.

I don’t have a lot of patience right now for moaning and groaning about how it’s all over and the world is ending. Grow the fuck up. It’s hard work, I get it. But if you’re not willing to do the work, get the fuck out of the way of those who are willing and shut up about how it’s impossible. You know what women do? We fucking persist, possible or no, and change happens.

(I really don’t think it’s any coincidence that the majority of the resistance has been female.)

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:29:21pm

re: #166 ObserverArt

Martin Shkreli has the same forced fake smile as Trump. Must be a part of a certain human characteristic…asshole.

Shkreli had a nose job done by Michael Jackson’s surgeon, with the signature designer nostrils.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:29:22pm

I know it’s so hip right now to be all doom-and-gloom, woe-is-me, Eeyore about politics. I get it. Right now, things are bad and are going nowhere but down. Here’s my problem with that: I have two young kids. They are going to grow up (provided they stay healthy and don’t wind up needing coverage outside of the clusterfuck that is Republican health care) and learn about this dark era of American history. They are going to ask Mrs. Fish and I what happened, what we did about it, how we handled ourselves. I am not going to look my son in the eye and say, “I was a coward. At the first sign of futility, I gave up and laid down and let the Republicans implement their demented, destructive ideology without a fight.” My son deserves a role model to look up to - a man who fights the good fight, even if it ends badly. So you can take your doom and gloom and you can shove it up your ass - I will make my stand right here. Come at me.

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Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:29:50pm

re: #263 Myron Falwell

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I disagree with Jon here. This vote is a fait accompli and the Republican Party is that evil and corrupt from the inside out.

We are effectively powerless to stop it, unless I’m proven dramatically wrong.

Elections have consequences.

Failing to participate in elections has consequences.

32 million who could vote. 6 million actually do so. 26 million shrug.
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Ace Rothstein  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:30:22pm

re: #234 Dr. Matt

If this POS TrumpCare bill passes, republican voters will finally get to feel real pain for voting against their best interests.

Good.

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:31:47pm

re: #273 Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)

Elections have consequences.

Failing to participate in elections has consequences.

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I don’t get the image bottom line: “32 million who could vote”. According to that image, only 19.4 million were citizens, correct?

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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:33:52pm

re: #268 jaunte

[It’s Thursday. How many people have lost their healthcare today?]

It’s Monday. I went to the doctor. They want to send me back to the big city for another evaluation. Last one was mainly cognitive. Now they want to know why I’m still dizzy. I already know. I was hit by a car. I hope I’m done with this stuff before all hell breaks loose.

When we heard about the Supreme Court this AM, I told Mr. w that they just cracked open the gate and showed us the fire.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:34:35pm

re: #262 EmmaAnne

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:34:51pm

Democracy only works by citizens willing to participate. I can lament the low turnouts, but if that’s how my fellow citizens feel about their lives then the problems are going to be far deeper than what I can fix with just a few words.

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Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:36:14pm

re: #275 freetoken

I don’t get the image bottom line: “32 million who could vote”. According to that image, only 19.4 million were citizens, correct?

You got me. Was moving too quick when I embedded the image.

Thus, revised math: 13 million shrug.

Although, these are numbers from the 2010 census, so in 3 years, we’ll have a better picture if the consistent “Latinos are sub-human rapists & criminal drug dealers who must be deported!” drumbeat from the GOP, Trump & Fox News has any effect.

So far, it really hasn’t.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:36:31pm

In the Texas county I live in (Montgomery), I see fliers all the time in local boozers and restaurants. They go something like this:

“John Doe has stage 3 pancreatic cancer. Because Mr. Doe doesn’t have heath insurance, he has no way to pay the mounting bills and costs that come with not having insurance. We’re having a barbecue and silent auction on Sunday whatever month/day to raise money for John!”

I see these ALL. THE. TIME. I admire these people for trying to help, but the money they raise won’t cover the needle to stick into John’s arm to give him his first round of chemo. If only John had worked harder…

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:38:51pm

re: #280 Ace Rothstein

… on being born to Donald Trump’s parents.

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Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:38:52pm

re: #280 Ace Rothstein

In the Texas county I live in (Montgomery), I see fliers all the time in local boozers and restaurants. They go something like this:

“John Doe has stage 3 pancreatic cancer. Because Mr. Doe doesn’t have heath insurance, he has no way to pay the mounting bills and costs that come with not having insurance. We’re having a barbecue and silent auction on Sunday whatever month/day to raise money for John!”

I see these ALL. THE. TIME. I admire these people for trying to help, but the money they raise won’t cover the needle to stick into John’s arm to give his first round of chemo. If only John had worked harder…

Yeah, I see these around too. It baffles me why people are willing to pay $100 at a BBQ, of which $50-80 goes to the BBQ costs, rather than just paying another $20 in taxes that would do the job far more efficiently.

It’s the meme that “Gubmint is ALWAYS evil forever & ever amen” that has been drummed into their tiny little pea-brains since St. Ronald of Reagan first preached his Gospel of St. Greed back in 1980, I guess…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:39:50pm

re: #280 Ace Rothstein

I’m sure that the churches will step in and help like Joni Ernst says they will…

I’ll believe that bullshit when J0el 0$teen sells his $10 million mansion…

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:40:18pm

It is going to be an interesting week seeing how America reacts to the GOP. This week is an indication to the reality of those low poll numbers Congress has regarding popularity and an early indicator to the unrest and if it can swing against the GOP as it did against the Democrats in 2010.

We are going to see if any of those people that hated Obamacare, but loved them some Affordable Care are going to come to grips with reality and say something about it to their congresspeople. Will the Republicans get any kind of surprise at the backlash coming from their own?

I still say 2010 was a get-the-bums-out election. I don’t think that trend has stopped yet. It is always aimed at the majority, this time the Republicans.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:40:38pm

re: #282 Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)

Yeah, I see these around too. It baffles me why people are willing to pay $100 at a BBQ, of which $50-80 goes to the BBQ costs, rather than just paying another $20 in taxes that would do the job far more efficiently.

It’s the meme that “Gubmint is ALWAYS evil forever & ever amen” that has been drummed into their tiny little pea-brains since St. Ronald of Reagan first preached his Gospel of St. Greed back in 1980, I guess…

But do you want those people getting your tax dollars?!?!?!

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:41:12pm

re: #279 Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)

What can I say: Trump was scorned here in California, even losing supposedly Republican areas.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:42:08pm

re: #273 Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)

Elections have consequences.

Failing to participate in elections has consequences.

Restricting access to the vote, coupled with gerrymandering house districts to shit and an inherently racist electoral college, rigs the game forever in the bad guy’s favor.

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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:42:19pm

re: #280 Ace Rothstein

In the Texas county I live in (Montgomery), I see fliers all the time in local boozers and restaurants. They go something like this:

“John Doe has stage 3 pancreatic cancer. Because Mr. Doe doesn’t have heath insurance, he has no way to pay the mounting bills and costs that come with not having insurance. We’re having a barbecue and silent auction on Sunday whatever month/day to raise money for John!”

I see these ALL. THE. TIME. I admire these people for trying to help, but the money they raise won’t cover the needle to stick into John’s arm to give him his first round of chemo. If only John had worked harder…

My county has a Facebook page for garage sales, junk for sale, ‘in search of’ posts, and lost pets. Now it’s full of, ‘my food stamps ran out and I don’t get more for x weeks. Who can help me?’ and ‘I need a place I can live with my 3 kids. I’ve been kicked out of x, y, and z.’

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:44:45pm

re: #288 wrenchwench

My county has a Facebook page for garage sales, junk for sale, ‘in search of’ posts, and lost pets. Now it’s full of, ‘my food stamps ran out and I don’t get more for x weeks. Who can help me?’ and ‘I need a place I can live with my 3 kids. I’ve been kicked out of x, y, and z.’

Once again gosh where are the churches that Republicans insist will gladly step in and help?

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:45:12pm

re: #285 Timothy Watson

But do you want those people getting your tax dollars?!?!?!

Yes.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:46:45pm

re: #289 Joe Bacon 🌹

Once again gosh where are the churches that Republicans insist will gladly step in and help?

Busy being all holier-than-thou and sticking their noses up in the air.

On that topic, though, my church regularly houses homeless people in their church building and has volunteers come in to bring them food and provide child care if the parents want to leave and go do something. Obviously not permanently, but we do a lot more to be practically Christian than most.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:48:18pm

22% of Kentuckians were uninsured before Gov. Beshear started Kynect (which is Obamacare, but they couldn’t tell the locals that lol) In two years, the uninsured rate dropped to 9%. IN TWO YEARS!!!! These are the same people that HATE Obamacare but love the Affordable Care Act, and they voted for Trump because her emails…

Correction. The uninsured rate was 20.4%, cut to 6%.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:48:32pm

re: #222 EmmaAnne

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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:49:09pm

I love my non-profit health care center, but I let a guy come in here who has even been kicked out of there. I can only fix his bike, though.

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KGxvi  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:53:12pm

I’m contemplating tattoo ideas, and was looking for a quote to incorporate, in researching Hemingway quotes, I came across this from For Whom The Bell Tolls:

‘But are there not many Fascists in your country?’
‘There are many who do not know they are Fascists, but will find it out when the time comes’.

Not going to use that, but it does seem to fit the times.

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nines09  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:53:53pm

Mahatma Gandhi;
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

Always stuck with me. And I will not paint with a wide brush, but, man have I met, in person. who he’s talking about. In spades.

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nines09  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:55:40pm

re: #294 wrenchwench

I love my non-profit health care center, but I let a guy come in here who has even been kicked out of there. I can only fix his bike, though.

You must suffer from altruism. With the scars…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:56:22pm

re: #296 nines09

Mahatma Gandhi;
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

Always stuck with me. And I will not paint with a wide brush, but, man have I met, in person. who he’s talking about. In spades.

We’ve discussed at length here how much modern Christianity (especially American evangelical Christianity) actually resembles the Biblical Jesus. Those of us here who are believers know exactly what you’re talking about.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:56:39pm

re: #279 Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)

You got me. Was moving too quick when I embedded the image.

Thus, revised math: 13 million shrug.

Although, these are numbers from the 2010 census, so in 3 years, we’ll have a better picture if the consistent “Latinos are sub-human rapists & criminal drug dealers who must be deported!” drumbeat from the GOP, Trump & Fox News has any effect.

So far, it really hasn’t.

Of the 19.4 million who are citizens, there may be many who are permanently barred from voting because of draconian laws that prevent felons from ever regaining their voting rights, some who don’t have a stable domicile and so have no place that they can call home for registration, and others who don’t have the right id to allow them to vote. My sister once did poll-watching in Waukegan, a poor community to the north of Chicago, and said that many of the people who showed up were temporarily living at a friend’s and didn’t know where, or if, they were registered, and this is in a state where there are no deliberate efforts to block citizens from voting.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:57:49pm

Woohoo. Just got a new cable modem because our homeowner’s association made a group deal with the provider - and it doubled my internet download speed. Very nice.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:58:37pm
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nines09  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:59:07pm

re: #298 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Thank you.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:59:23pm

re: #300 Charles Johnson

Woohoo. Just got a new cable modem because our homeowner’s association made a group deal with the provider - and it doubled my internet download speed. Very nice.

Oh, good, it actually worked out. I remember you being apprehensive about it when it arrived.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:00:02pm

Untreated cancer victims can close their eyes peacefully, knowing they did their bit for deficit reduction.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:00:28pm

re: #282 Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)

Yeah, I see these around too. It baffles me why people are willing to pay $100 at a BBQ, of which $50-80 goes to the BBQ costs, rather than just paying another $20 in taxes that would do the job far more efficiently.

It’s the meme that “Gubmint is ALWAYS evil forever & ever amen” that has been drummed into their tiny little pea-brains since St. Ronald of Reagan first preached his Gospel of St. Greed back in 1980, I guess…

Answer—They don’t want that money going to evil D.C…

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Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:01:13pm

re: #303 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I was apprehensive for no reason, it turns out. It was totally painless to set up - just plugged everything in and it started working right away. I wish every upgrade was that easy.

Only thing that took some time was getting into the WiFi settings and changing passwords, etc.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:02:08pm

re: #306 Charles Johnson

I was apprehensive for no reason, it turns out. It was totally painless to set up - just plugged everything in and it started working right away. I wish every upgrade was that easy.

Only thing that took some time was getting into the WiFi settings and changing passwords, etc.

What, you didn’t leave your WiFi unsecured like a good dirty communist pinko librul?///

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Myron Falwell  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:03:06pm

re: #301 The Vicious Babushka

A horrible, hateful man.

It would have been better for the world had such a waste of human tissue never been born.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:05:16pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:06:10pm

re: #309 jaunte

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Remember, these folks think the poverty line starts at $1 million.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:06:53pm

re: #309 jaunte

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Man, if only I made 4x as much as I make now…

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:11:49pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:12:39pm

re: #308 Myron Falwell

A horrible, hateful man.

It would have been better for the world had such a waste of human tissue never been born.

Republicans affixed the term “death panels” to the ACA. We need to develop a similar phrase and use it consistently to describe this abomination. Too bad that POS Frank Luntz isn’t available to help us out.

We don’t have much time since they are looking to pass the bill this week. “Kill the poor” act? “Murder the sick” act? “Depraved indifference” law?

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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:13:32pm

re: #263 Myron Falwell

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I disagree with Jon here. This vote is a fait accompli and the Republican Party is that evil and corrupt from the inside out.

We are effectively powerless to stop it, unless I’m proven dramatically wrong.

This bill, or worse, was a foregone conclusion on Nov 9. It’s only surprising that it took this long because of GOP ineptness.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:14:56pm

re: #313 Hecuba’s daughter

#TrumpDontCare is a start

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unproven innocence  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:20:23pm

re: #164 Romantic Heretic

It will never happen. No contrary information can penetrate their minds and they are incapable of the doubt that could lead to self-discovery.

Thanks for that link.

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plansbandc  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:23:19pm

Why aren’t elected R’s worried about how cruel this thing is? That is the truly scary part. What do they know?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:24:45pm

re: #317 plansbandc

Why aren’t elected R’s worried about how cruel this thing is? That is the truly scary part. What do they know?

They know that 34% of the country will vote for them without question as long as they run on the Republican Party ticket.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:26:06pm

re: #38 KerFuFFler

Oh, to have a magic wand that let the pernicious effects of Trump policies only affect his rube voters. (I’m compassionate enough to be willing to reinstate their rights and privileges once they have the scales fall from their eyes regarding Trump.)

There may be a few, but most of the Trump voters are not rubes. The ones I know personally are all educated, with college degrees from legitimate universities, or people with solid careers that provided them a good standard of living. They are all racists or gun nuts or anti-abortion fanatics or uninterested in learning anything outside of their bubble.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:27:32pm

About olds and their Medicare: Reaching 65 is not a get-out-of-the-hospital-free card. Even with Medicare, Wife and I pay about $600 per month for a residual piece of my job-based insurance. That just takes up the shock from co-pays and drugs. We run to the “healthy” end of our age group.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:27:34pm

re: #317 plansbandc

Why aren’t elected R’s worried about how cruel this thing is? That is the truly scary part. What do they know?

Because they don’t care about other people and they’ve gotten away with enough that they know it may not kill their re-election chances.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:28:58pm

re: #317 plansbandc

Why aren’t elected R’s worried about how cruel this thing is? That is the truly scary part. What do they know?

We’re dealing with a baboon troop in expensive suits. “Cruel” is just icing on the cake.

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plansbandc  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:29:19pm

Just feels like there’s more to it. Like something more sinister.

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Citizen K  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:31:43pm

re: #317 plansbandc

Why aren’t elected R’s worried about how cruel this thing is? That is the truly scary part. What do they know?

They know that they may very well be totally inoculated from the consequences and are now pushing through their bucket list of formerly unachievable GOP Utopian Dream policies: mass tax cuts for the richest of the rich, re-criminalizing abortion, return of the Drug Wars, re-criminalizing homosexuality, banning all the scary foreigners, etc. etc.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:32:10pm

re: #317 plansbandc

Why aren’t elected R’s worried about how cruel this thing is? That is the truly scary part. What do they know?

Coming up next— National Voter ID and Kobach’s KKKrosscheck to throw millions of Democrats off the rolls…

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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:32:29pm

re: #324 Citizen K

They know that they may very well be totally inoculated from the consequences and are now pushing through their bucket list of formerly unachievable GOP Utopian Dream policies: mass tax cuts for the richest of the rich, re-criminalizing abortion, return of the Drug Wars, re-criminalizing homosexuality, banning all the scary foreigners, etc. etc.

Right to Work Forever.

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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:32:42pm

re: #323 plansbandc

Just feels like there’s more to it. Like something more sinister.

There’s nothing more sinister than being wholly motivated by money.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:33:20pm

re: #327 wrenchwench

There’s nothing more sinister than being wholly motivated by money.

And Ayn Rand

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:33:58pm

Current White House outlook: “What does the CBO know, anyway?”

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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:34:13pm

re: #328 Hecuba’s daughter

And Ayn Rand

Same thing. ‘I got mine, you can’t have anything.’

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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:34:22pm

re: #327 wrenchwench

There’s nothing more sinister than being wholly motivated by money untrammelled power.

Money is just a scorekeeping device.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:34:46pm
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Citizen K  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:34:54pm

re: #325 Joe Bacon 🌹

Coming up next— National Voter ID and Kobach’s KKKrosscheck to throw millions of Democrats off the rolls…

re: #326 Decatur Deb

Right to Work Forever.

And these, yes. They may be fully convinced they would not be allowed to lose power ever, with fully tilted scale that will keep them in total power for the near future. And the terrifying thing is that they simply might not be wrong about that.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:36:16pm

re: #313 Hecuba’s daughter

Republicans affixed the term “death panels” to the ACA. We need to develop a similar phrase and use it consistently to describe this abomination. Too bad that POS Frank Luntz isn’t available to help us out.

We don’t have much time since they are looking to pass the bill this week. “Kill the poor” act? “Murder the sick” act? “Depraved indifference” law?

ISISCare.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:37:03pm

re: #333 Citizen K

And these, yes. They may be fully convinced they would not be allowed to lose power ever, with fully tilted scale that will keep them in total power for the near future. And the terrifying thing is that they simply might not be wrong about that.

History doesn’t come with guarantees.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:37:34pm

re: #334 Myron Falwell

ISISCare.

Idon’tCare.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:38:30pm

re: #336 Decatur Deb

Idon’tCare.

AuschwitzCare.
NaziCare.
ExterminationCare.

I kinda wish I was sarcastic here…

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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:40:04pm

re: #337 Myron Falwell

AuschwitzCare.
NaziCare.
ExterminationCare.

I kinda wish I was sarcastic here…

Godwin helps those who help themselves.

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allegro  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:40:24pm

DieQuickCare
NoMoreCare

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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:41:01pm

There’s an auto-play video at the link.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:41:14pm

re: #210 jaunte

There’s only one GOP solution for this disaster: eliminating the CBO.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:41:26pm

re: #339 allegro

DieQuickCare
NoMoreCare

In a very real sense it’s a return to ForeclosureCare.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:41:32pm

Meanwhile at the Kremlin, Putin’s pals are congratulating him for succeeding in destroying the United States!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:41:49pm

re: #285 Timothy Watson

But do you want those people getting your tax dollars?!?!?!

actually, I don’t mind.

especially since, as a woman, I’m one of those people and when push comes to shove, we out number the other those people (read = certain full-of-themselves white men).

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:42:41pm

Be prepared for the suckiest 20 year span in US History since Jim Crow. The white-entitled right wing Boomer segment is going out with a bang - an all out Trumpy war not only against most of the US population but also against the world in general. It has been THEIR world for 60-70 years now (despite comprising only 2% of the world’s population) and they are not going away to their graves without sticking it to anyone and everyone they can on their way out- all to spite the fact that “their” world has changed underneath their feet.

I’ve heard it explained plain and simple by older family and acquaintances- “It’s Mine. I earned it. screw everyone else. This includes my own kids- what did they do to deserve my money?”

The weird part about it is that the end up giving their money to crooked con-man Evangelical preachers, con men phony smirk/smile Republican politicians, and Con Men get-rich-quick phony investments and gold coins. Despite notions of holding family dear and following Christ, This segment of our actually in the real world proves it is mean, nasty and easily duped.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:43:50pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:44:29pm

re: #345 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Rocky accurately describes my family. They love Trump…

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Myron Falwell  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:44:54pm

re: #345 Rocky-in-Connecticut

20 years? More like 100 years, assuming we aren’t nuked to smithereens.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:45:39pm

re: #347 Joe Bacon 🌹

Rocky accurately describes my family. They love Trump…

He does not accurately describe any member of mine.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:46:16pm

re: #349 Decatur Deb

Deb, you’re blessed!

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:46:58pm

re: #318 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

They know that 34% of the country will vote for them without question as long as they run on the Republican Party ticket.

And they don’t need 50% +1 to win anymore.

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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:48:38pm

I was just visited by my forest fire-fighting buddy He identified my new belt. It’s a ranger belt. It will go well with our Ford Ranger.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:48:41pm

re: #350 Joe Bacon 🌹

Deb, you’re blessed!

Wobbly privilege.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:48:50pm
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unproven innocence  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:50:34pm

re: #269 Unshaken Defiance

Win or lose events and history favor those that do continue over those that hesitate or quit. Abolition took a long time.

It is still taking a long time.

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:53:55pm

re: #335 Decatur Deb

History doesn’t come with guarantees.

Who lives, who dies, who tells your story…

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plansbandc  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:57:27pm

re: #347 Joe Bacon 🌹

He accurately describes more than half of my family.

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:59:17pm

re: #349 Decatur Deb

He does not accurately describe any member of mine.

Mine either—even my goofy wingnut Trump-lovin’ brother doesn’t fit that description.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2017 • 4:02:25pm

re: #358 BeachDem

Mine either—even my goofy wingnut Trump-lovin’ brother doesn’t fit that description.

There’s one SIL I’m not vouching for, but he’s young and only paper-family.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2017 • 4:03:00pm

re: #357 plansbandc

He accurately describes more than half of my family.

Sort of sad, but really only a bit worse than average.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2017 • 4:14:25pm

re: #345 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Downding for overgeneralization. Almost all my fellow anti-Trumpers in the election and after were boomers, as am I.

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2017 • 4:21:48pm

re: #359 Decatur Deb

There’s one SIL I’m not vouching for, but he’s young and only paper-family.

Well, I’m excluding my banshee sister-in-law, who is a total whackjob—I don’t really factor her in because even her kids (who are total liberals) say she’s awful and a pathological liar—from a tried and true, card-carryin’ JBS family.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 4:23:43pm

re: #292 Ace Rothstein

22% of Kentuckians were uninsured before Gov. Beshear started Kynect (which is Obamacare, but they couldn’t tell the locals that lol) In two years, the uninsured rate dropped to 9%. IN TWO YEARS!!!! These are the same people that HATE Obamacare but love the Affordable Care Act, and they voted for Trump because her emails…

Correction. The uninsured rate was 20.4%, cut to 6%.

Actually, they voted for trump because coal, abortion, gay marriage, and guns.

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2017 • 4:24:33pm

re: #361 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Downding for overgeneralization. Almost all my fellow anti-Trumpers in the election and after were boomers, as am I.

He did qualify it as

white-entitled right wing Boomer segment

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A Cranky One  Jun 26, 2017 • 5:45:57pm

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

cheese-stuffed tortellinis, artichoke hearts, baby spinach, black olives, grape tomatoes, crumbled feta, parmesan, salami, prosciutto ham.
dressing: olive oil, balsamic vinegar, minced garlic, garlic, garlic italian seasonings, honey, salt, pepper.

This is Klys asking, so I fixed it for you.


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