Trump Suggests Doing Away With Obamacare and Replacing It With… Nothingcare

This man is not well
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Remember a couple of days ago when Donald Trump said health care was “working along very well,” and promised a “great, great surprise” was coming?

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Well, this morning on Twitter he revealed his great surprise, and … SURPRISE, EVERYBODY! Now he wants to eliminate Obamacare and replace it with… nothing.

Trumpcare has now morphed, inevitably, into Nothingcare.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:31:47am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:32:35am

Anything, anything for a “win”

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:33:54am

Time to start raising chickens.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:34:23am

READ THIS THREAD NOW

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EPR-radar  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:35:51am

tr*mp is just being a normal Republican with this. As always, the Republican health care plan is: 1) Don’t get sick, 2) If you do get sick, die quickly.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:37:26am
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Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:38:53am

This makes sense if you’re the kinda guy (which Don is) who bought into all that ‘09-‘10 bullshit about how Obama “had a majority and pissed it away.” The kinda guy who believes that a party having a majority means they can rule by fiat. He doesn’t quite get that the current bill is such a steaming turd that Sen. Yertle is gonna have to spend a significant chunk of those Trumpcare “savings” to win over enough votes just to reach 50. So the idea that he can get to 50 by promising a total repeal, which would mean fucking over WAY more than 22 million Americans, is bugfuck insane to a degree that I don’t think most Americans comprehend.

But, I think we have to remember that the man just learned today that South Korea is a major trade partner with the US.

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ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:39:40am

re: #1 Birth Control Works

MSNBC Fires Greta Van Susteren

We heard about that late yesterday morning. She wasn’t on last night. I watched the opening…not a peep was said about poor Greta. It was just “Breaking News.”

Articles on the ‘net said her numbers were horrible and she didn’t feel accepted.

Score a win for the liberals that still watch. One mistake and counting for Andy Lack and his desire to create a monster of both sides say it. Hopefully things go as well for Hugh Hewitt and Bret Stevens (just hired) and they aren’t there very long.

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Jay C  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:40:01am

From last thread:

re: #407 Backwoods_Sleuth

and Utah:

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So that’s what, now? Seven states telling Pence and Kobach to go pound sand over their little Inquisition?

I wonder how many (if any) states - the ruby-red ones, natch - have jumped up to gleefully volunteer said info to the Disenfranchisement Board?

And on a more serious note, is there any legal basis (outside of the relevant state officials’ opposition or support) to challenge these information requests? Class-action suits, or the like?

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Dr. Matt  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:40:26am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:40:41am

re: #9 Jay C

From last thread:

re: #407 Backwoods_Sleuth

and Utah:

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So that’s what, now? Seven states telling Pence and Kobach to go pound sand over their little Inquisition?

I wonder how many (if any) states - the ruby-red ones, natch - have jumped up to gleefully volunteer said info to the Disenfranchisement Board?

And on a more serious note, is there any legal basis (outside of the relevant state officials’ opposition or support) to challenge these information requests? Class-action suits, or the like?

Georgia:

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Timothy Watson  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:43:11am

re: #9 Jay C

And on a more serious note, is there any legal basis (outside of the relevant state officials’ opposition or support) to challenge these information requests? Class-action suits, or the like?

There might be some federal law somewhere restricting personal data collection not permitted otherwise by law.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:43:12am

Trump promised repeal and replace. Then he can claim that he delivered the first part but obstructionist Democrats prevented him from going any further…

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Myron Falwell  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:43:35am

Reposted from downstairs:
re: #377 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

somebody tell me why twitter hasn’t banned trump

A few possibilities…
1) They are fearful of being blackmailed by Trump and/or Jared.
2) They have no logical business plan in place to remain viable, unlike Facebook et al, if he were to rage quit, get incarcerated or whatever fate beholds him.
3) They WANT the attention in any way possible. Trump threatening WWIII in a series of tweets that winds up with the state department running out of their offices with combustible hair guarantees more clicks.
4) DudeBro Libertarianism. Nuff said.
5) All of the above.

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Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:44:53am

But Trump’s plan makes total sense when you consider it in light of his business record: Deny the agreed-upon compensation, then dangle out whatever little morsel you feel like while making it clear that rejection of that means the other party gets nothing. So a full repeal makes sense because Donny knows that whatever “replace” bill the GOP comes up with afterward will seem like manna from Heaven to those desperate to get any kind of healthcare.

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Teukka  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:46:21am

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

READ THIS THREAD NOW

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Alas, I have only one upding to give…

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Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:47:03am

re: #13 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump promised repeal and replace. Then he can claim that he delivered the first part but obstructionist Democrats prevented him from going any further…

“We could have already had a replacement plan in place, but Democrats are standing in the way! They would rather millions of Americans die than accept this ‘reasonable’ replacement plan!”

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:47:06am
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Myron Falwell  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:47:15am

re: #8 ObserverArt

Well, they stuck Hugh Hewitt on for 30 minutes at 8am Saturdays EDT starting last week. They might as well have stuck him alongside Ronco Hair-In-A-Can infomercials on the adjacent public access channel.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:49:03am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:49:43am

re: #17 Targetpractice

“We could have already had a replacement plan in place, but Democrats are standing in the way! They would rather millions of Americans die than accept this ‘reasonable’ replacement plan!”

and enough people would buy that argument

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Myron Falwell  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:51:02am
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A Cranky One  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:52:25am

The Republicans have had years to come up with an alternative to the ACA but apparently never bothered to do any actual work toward that end. So we get a couple of quickly thrown together bills that basically amount to tax cuts for the rich (the only type of bill they seem capable of creating, for any purpose and not just healthcare). Are we surprised? No.

Having more and more trouble dealing with the political situation in this country. On one hand, I believe that it’s my duty as a citizen to stay informed about issues and what’s happening with the country. On the other hand, being informed keeps me depressed and cranky as I watch the country being torn apart and our institutions destroyed.

So, I look for good and beauty where I can. With that in mind, here are a couple of photos of some of the new arrivals in Mrs Cranky’s garden.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:56:28am

North Carolina:

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ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:56:40am

re: #13 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump promised repeal and replace. Then he can claim that he delivered the first part but obstructionist Democrats prevented him from going any further…

And all the Democrats have to do is say we haven’t restricted anything, we haven’t been asked to help and besides let’s fix the ACA like some GOP Senators now favor.

America shows they like it…as it now polls above 50% and climbing by comparison and the replacements are less than 25%.

Also remind people who voted 60+ (or more…lost count) times to kill the ACA and had 8 years plus to replace. Proof the GOP can’t get it done.

You already have GOP Senate people agreeing this is the way forward. Make a big deal about that…welcome them with open arms and box Mitch out.

This is politics. The GOP doesn’t have all the strength in this anymore. They have blown it and are currently licking their wounds.

The Democrats have the opportunity here…how about backing them and keeping the pressure on the GOP and not acting all Chicken Little. That is what the Republicans want, why give it to them?

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:57:27am

re: #9 Jay C

From last thread:

re: #407 Backwoods_Sleuth

and Utah:

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So that’s what, now? Seven states telling Pence and Kobach to go pound sand over their little Inquisition?

I wonder how many (if any) states - the ruby-red ones, natch - have jumped up to gleefully volunteer said info to the Disenfranchisement Board?

And on a more serious note, is there any legal basis (outside of the relevant state officials’ opposition or support) to challenge these information requests? Class-action suits, or the like?

The red ones are gleefully seizing the opportunity to suppress votes further.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:57:49am
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Ace Rothstein  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:58:36am

Is Trump’s Cubs jersey like the kind they make for infants? You know, where it’s buttoned down at the crotch so you can easily change his diaper?

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ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2017 • 10:59:20am

re: #19 Myron Falwell

Well, they stuck Hugh Hewitt on for 30 minutes at 8am Saturdays EDT starting last week. They might as well have stuck him alongside Ronco Hair-In-A-Can infomercials on the adjacent public access channel.

That was my thinking when I saw his time slot. Almost seems like they made a promise and then started to see the networks numbers rise for the “leftist in the evening” shows and then decided they couldn’t renege so 8:00 to 8:30 AM on Saturday is where he is. For now.

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jeffreyw  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:00:09am

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Franklin  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:01:01am

re: #30 jeffreyw

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Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:01:51am

re: #21 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and enough people would buy that argument

Here’s the thing: Anybody who’s hoping that the defeat of Trumpcare will negatively affect Trump in 2020 is betting on a losing hand. When the ACA turned to be full of compromises to get the Blue Dogs onboard, the DNC base was savage in its criticism and it showed in the midterms. And yeah, a lot of the base had gotten over that initial flash of anger by 2012, but there was still a significant portion who felt “betrayed” and stayed home or voted third party.

By contrast, come 2020, the list of people that the Trump base will blame if Trumpcare is not law will make War and Peace seem short. They’ll blame the DNC for opposing it, they’ll blame the Congressional GOP for not falling on their swords to pass it, they’ll blame the CBO for its “false” estimates, they’ll blame the media for “lying” about it, etc, etc. They will not hold him personally responsible, will not pay attention to his positions on it that shift like desert dunes, and the lies they’ll tell themselves will be more numerous than the stars in the sky.

Win, lose, or fail, the only people who will pay a political price for Trumpcare will be the Congressional GOP. The people who voted for Trump are too delusional to hold him responsible.

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Teukka  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:03:16am

Obligatory cute overload: Image: 20170629_154824_503_u0.jpg

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Birth Control Works  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:04:01am

Lawmakers applaud after panel approves language revoking war authority

The House Appropriations Committee on Thursday approved an amendment that would revoke a 2001 law giving the president authority to undertake war against al Qaeda and its affiliates unless a replacement provision is created.

Lawmakers applauded when the amendment was added by voice vote to the defense spending bill, highlighting the frustration many members of Congress feel about the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF), which was initially approved to authorize the response to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

It has since been used to justify the Iraq War and the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:04:19am

re: #33 Teukka

Obligatory cute overload: Image: 20170629_154824_503_u0.jpg

ooooooooh!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:04:24am

re: #32 Targetpractice

Here’s the thing: Anybody who’s hoping that the defeat of Trumpcare will negatively affect Trump in 2020 is betting on a losing hand.

And all those cuts are only going to phase in gradually, it is not like people are going to wake up uninsured one morning…a lot of them will not even begin to notice the changes until after the 2020 elections.

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Teukka  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:04:33am
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makeitstop  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:06:44am

re: #23 A Cranky One

So, I look for good and beauty where I can. With that in mind, here are a couple of photos of some of the new arrivals in Mrs Cranky’s garden.

Beautiful color combos on those lilies!

My wife’s lilies started to pop this week. I took some pics earlier, no time to post ‘em, though.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:07:35am

re: #32 Targetpractice

Substitute Trump’s name for a Generic Republican and the argument would still hold.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:08:06am

With the Women’s right to vote came Social Workers!!!!!

All over the world —it’s a unexplained phenom.

social workers and what they do cost money —there is no discernable profit in it.

Don’t be fooled, people, the goal is to dismantle everything we’ve worked for-EVERYTHING.

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Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:09:51am

I can only imagine that Mitch started swearing up a blue streak the moment somebody read Donny’s tweet to him. He’s spent weeks preparing his caucus to walk the plank on Trumpcare, lined up enough money to buy the votes necessary, probably already start coaching the “moderates” on what to say when the bill passes…and then he hears that the White House feels that it’s better to just to go with a slash-and-burn strategy. If Mitch isn’t wishing a pox on the House of Paul right about now, then he’s not taking his job seriously anymore.

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jeffreyw  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:11:05am

re: #23 A Cranky One

So, I look for good and beauty where I can. With that in mind, here are a couple of photos of some of the new arrivals in Mrs Cranky’s garden.

Great looking flowers! Mrs J is jealous.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:12:00am
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Birth Control Works  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:12:51am
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Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:14:01am

re: #20 FormerDirtDart

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:15:02am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:16:50am

re: #46 FormerDirtDart

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Jesus Christ.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:17:25am

re: #41 Targetpractice

I can only imagine that Mitch started swearing up a blue streak the moment somebody read Donny’s tweet to him. He’s spent weeks preparing his caucus to walk the plank on Trumpcare, lined up enough money to buy the votes necessary, probably already start coaching the “moderates” on what to say when the bill passes…and then he hears that the White House feels that it’s better to just to go with a slash-and-burn strategy. If Mitch isn’t wishing a pox on the House of Paul right about now, then he’s not taking his job seriously anymore.

That might be the only good news out of this. Trump’s under the impression that a repeal-only bill will emerge in the next 48 hours.

All he’s doing is ensuring that the tax giveaways to the top .05% and his budget fucking over of anyone and everyone outside of the top .05% gets delayed further.

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ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:19:02am

re: #41 Targetpractice

I can only imagine that Mitch started swearing up a blue streak the moment somebody read Donny’s tweet to him. He’s spent weeks preparing his caucus to walk the plank on Trumpcare, lined up enough money to buy the votes necessary, probably already start coaching the “moderates” on what to say when the bill passes…and then he hears that the White House feels that it’s better to just to go with a slash-and-burn strategy. If Mitch isn’t wishing a pox on the House of Paul right about now, then he’s not taking his job seriously anymore.

How do you know Mitch even saw that tweet?

Remember, Mitch and the boys all tucked tails and took off last night. I bet the last thing Mitch wants right about now is a Trump tweet and any mention of healthcare legislation.

If he is cursing anything it is Obama getting the ACA through as the Law of the Land.

How many times have you heard people that really know politics say something like “it’s the law now and it is going to be hard to eliminate it.”

They are having a tough time eliminating it.

No, Mitch is back in Kentucky now. Probably incommunicado and nursing a gallon of Jack Daniels Black Label. He’ll need a couple more to get through the weekend too.

Mitch is a wounded man. He has shown he isn’t as powerful as everyone thought. He even admitted “healthcare is tough.” Bitching was easy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:19:24am

Ohio:

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Myron Falwell  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:21:23am

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ohio:

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Someone slipped a spoonful of reality into Jon Husted’s Wheaties this morning?

Regardless, thank goodness.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:24:51am

re: #37 Teukka

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Sorry for the plane - hope they are ok?

But for hades sake, the 405 on a Friday before a holiday?

Dis ASS TER

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:25:46am

re: #7 Targetpractice

This makes sense if you’re the kinda guy (which Don is) who bought into all that ‘09-‘10 bullshit about how Obama “had a majority and pissed it away.” The kinda guy who believes that a party having a majority means they can rule by fiat. He doesn’t quite get that the current bill is such a steaming turd that Sen. Yertle is gonna have to spend a significant chunk of those Trumpcare “savings” to win over enough votes just to reach 50. So the idea that he can get to 50 by promising a total repeal, which would mean fucking over WAY more than 22 million Americans, is bugfuck insane to a degree that I don’t think most Americans comprehend.

But, I think we have to remember that the man just learned today that South Korea is a major trade partner with the US.

You understand, Trump put absolutely no thought into this tweet; he merely regurgitated what he heard on Fox and Friends, as he often does.

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ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:25:50am

re: #51 Myron Falwell

Someone slipped a spoonful of reality into Jon Husted’s Wheaties this morning?

Regardless, thank goodness.

He’s watching Washington and the failures of the GOP. He is also watching Ohio Johnny Kasich fight his own Ohio Senate over the budget and healthcare.

Husted is smart enough to know Ohio is Purple-Blue and the voters can come back to bite him in the ass.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:27:57am

re: #51 Myron Falwell

Someone slipped a spoonful of reality into Jon Husted’s Wheaties this morning?

Regardless, thank goodness.

Good on him.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:29:42am

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

North Carolina:

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And the GOP will claim the Democrats are covering up evidence of voter fraud. Its a win-win for Kobach.

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lawhawk  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:29:51am

re: #6 Ace-o-aces

ACA allows cross-state insurance.

The insurers balked because of the costs of setting up networks.

And in any event, you’d end up having out of networks just as you have now.

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EmmaAnne  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:31:34am

re: #7 Targetpractice

So the idea that he can get to 50 by promising a total repeal, which would mean fucking over WAY more than 22 million Americans, is bugfuck insane to a degree that I don’t think most Americans comprehend.

For one thing, that would mean parents couldn’t keep their kids on their insurance until age 26. That would infuriate people all across the political spectrum.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:35:48am

re: #58 EmmaAnne

For one thing, that would mean parents couldn’t keep their kids on their insurance until age 26. That would infuriate people all across the political spectrum.

And just a repeal would require a filibuster proof majority—at least that’s what I read on Twitter which is never wrong.

Can anybody confirm that?

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Belafon  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:39:03am

re: #59 Sir John Barron

And just a repeal would require a filibuster proof majority—at least that’s what I read on Twitter which is never wrong.

Can anybody confirm that?

The only reason you would need a filibuster proof majority is if Trump opposed it. Would he actually care if I couldn’t keep my kids on the insurance?

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jaunte  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:40:38am
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jaunte  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:41:51am

And then she was swallowed up by a flaming pit.

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plansbandc  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:44:53am

re: #60 Belafon

That would be no.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:46:00am

Afternoon Lizardim.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:46:11am

re: #61 jaunte

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Liar, liar, panties on fire.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:46:58am

re: #61 jaunte

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To quote Paul Simon, lie, lie, lie.

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jaunte  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:47:59am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:50:48am

re: #61 jaunte

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:52:14am

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wait, so… WHICH IS IT?!? Make up yer damn mind, people! Well, I suppose they have to have one, first.

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plansbandc  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:53:11am

re: #67 jaunte

Good for New Mexico. I’m happily surprised.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:53:33am

Indiana:

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:54:20am

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:55:40am

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think it’s that time again, don’t you?

Nobody likes Pence. NOBODY.
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Myron Falwell  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:55:59am

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

Indiana:

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So Mike Pence’s home state doesn’t want to play Mike Pence’s voter fraud suppression game.

That should tell you something.

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lawhawk  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:57:28am

re: #61 jaunte

That doesn’t mean a goddamned thing since repealing Obamacare affects those in Medicaid - specifically the Medicaid expansion.

So, does this mean that Trump will allow the expansion to continue, or push off the millions who gained coverage from Obamacare.

Trump’s response: Yes.

Trump doesn’t know a single goddamned thing about this, and there are multiple reports stating that he’ll simply agree with everyone in a room even when they’re saying the exact opposite. Those same reports also indicate he doesn’t grasp any of the concepts involved, and that all attempts to get him to understand it has fallen on deaf ears.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2017 • 11:58:04am
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BeachDem  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:00:04pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ohio:

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I’ll give them a 1/2—Husted is full o’shit, following in Ken Blackwell’s footsteps. (Really wish Jennifer Brunner hadn’t decided she needed to run for senate. Sigh)

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Sir John Barron  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:00:09pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

POTUS doesn’t have a clue.

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jaunte  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:01:59pm

re: #75 lawhawk

McConnell just wants enough brain function in the president* for him to operate his signing hand.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:06:42pm

re: #79 jaunte

McConnell just wants enough brain function in the president* for him to operate his signing hand.

that is what grover norquist said the GOP required from a president

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BeachDem  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:08:26pm

re: #51 Myron Falwell

Someone slipped a spoonful of reality into Jon Husted’s Wheaties this morning?

Regardless, thank goodness.

re: #54 ObserverArt

He’s watching Washington and the failures of the GOP. He is also watching Ohio Johnny Kasich fight his own Ohio Senate over the budget and healthcare.

Husted is smart enough to know Ohio is Purple-Blue and the voters can come back to bite him in the ass.

Also could have something to do with lining up the right ducks for his governor run.

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BeachDem  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:09:32pm

re: #56 Big Beautiful Door

And the GOP will claim the Democrats are covering up evidence of voter fraud. Its a win-win for Kobach.

That only lets him run his mouth, rather than purge voters, so he can have that win if he loses the other.

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garzooma  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:11:02pm

re: #67 jaunte

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So far CA, KY, VA, MA, NC, MN, UT, OK, NY, TN & NM say they won’t hand over sensitive voter data to Kris Kobach

Also RI, where Sec’y of State went there:

The second request comes from the Vice Chair of the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity, Kris Kobach, who is also the Secretary of State of Kansas. Secretary Kobach was fined for misleading the courts in his own state of Kansas, where his attempts to disenfranchise Kansas voters have been overthrown by the courts. It is deeply troubling that he has been given oversight of this commission by the President.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:14:12pm

re: #82 BeachDem

That only lets him run his mouth, rather than purge voters, so he can have that win if he loses the other.

Yeah I’m not too concerned about this. He’ll complain about “illegal votes” anyway.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:14:22pm

re: #59 Sir John Barron

And just a repeal would require a filibuster proof majority—at least that’s what I read on Twitter which is never wrong.

Can anybody confirm that?

They can repeal the taxes and subsidies and mandates through reconciliation, but not the consumer protections.

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BeachDem  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:14:30pm

re: #67 jaunte

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ARgggh—can’t keep up (that’s a good thing)—Ari Berman is totally onto Kobach and his bullshit.

This whole thread is definitely worth reading.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:15:17pm

re: #67 jaunte

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Proud of my state!

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Sir John Barron  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:15:29pm

re: #85 Big Beautiful Door

They can repeal the taxes and subsidies and mandates through reconciliation, but not the consumer protections.

doesn’t that have to be budget neutral, though? Or at least projected to be budget neutral? I think that’s why the CBO estimates are so important.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:17:42pm

re: #83 garzooma

Add Ohio and Indiana, and that’s 14 states out of the 50.

This really seems to have been set up as an immediate failure almost intentionally.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:22:10pm

re: #88 Sir John Barron

doesn’t that have to be budget neutral, though? Or at least projected to be budget neutral? I think that’s why the CBO estimates are so important.

Or generate savings.

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makeitstop  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:25:08pm

Sad news today - Afghan Whigs guitarist Dave Rosser has passed away.

He worked with Greg Dulli in a couple of side projects and joined the Whigs when they reformed in 2014. This is a song from the reunion album ‘Do To The Beast.’ Like vintage Whigs, it’s both beautiful and menacing. RIP Dave.

(Hid the video due to violent content.)

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Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:25:12pm

re: #86 BeachDem

ARgggh—can’t keep up (that’s a good thing)—Ari Berman is totally onto Kobach and his bullshit.

This whole thread is definitely worth reading.

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ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:25:18pm

re: #81 BeachDem

Also could have something to do with lining up the right ducks for his governor run.

Husted versus DeWine in a GOP runoff.

Oh joy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:26:53pm

re: #95 Stanley Sea

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Ari is missing GA

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Belafon  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:27:03pm

re: #95 Stanley Sea

Who would have guessed OK is a liberal state. //

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Belafon  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:27:23pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ari is missing GA

I thought GA was giving up its data.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:28:09pm

re: #93 Big Beautiful Door

Or generate savings.

re: #88 Sir John Barron

doesn’t that have to be budget neutral, though? Or at least projected to be budget neutral? I think that’s why the CBO estimates are so important.

I believe so and therefore it would face a filibuster if there were 50 Senators who supported it but it would be surprising if McConnell actually could find 50 who would agree to this.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:28:15pm

re: #99 Belafon

I thought GA was giving up its data.

some, but only publicly accessible information

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EmmaAnne  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:29:09pm

Here is Colorado’s reponse to the voter purge project:

Colorado Secretary of State
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Jack Burton  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:30:09pm

re: #90 FormerDirtDart

Why is this being allowed? We didn’t let Radio Moscow World Service transmit in the US during the cold war, so why is this OK now? As long as they lie about being state propaganda we can’t do anything?

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:30:32pm

re: #100 Hecuba’s daughter

I believe so and therefore it would face a filibuster if there were 50 Senators who supported it but it would be surprising if McConnell actually could find 50 who would agree to this.

No, it shouldn’t be difficult to generate the savings they need by canceling the subsidies and Medicaid expansion to pay for the tax cuts. The result would be monstrous as the individual markets in all the states would enter death spirals.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:30:39pm

re: #99 Belafon

I thought GA was giving up its data.

same as the other states: only giving up publicly available info.

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scottslemmons  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:32:20pm

re: #67 jaunte

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In Texas, a CCL is a valid voter ID. So maybe that’s what’s going down — Abbott’s about to hand over the names, Social Security numbers, and more for gun owners all over the state…

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Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:33:24pm

CNN is saying “Multiple people shot” at Bronx Lebanon Hospital

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BeachDem  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:34:11pm

re: #89 Myron Falwell

Add Ohio and Indiana, and that’s 14 states out of the 50.

This really seems to have been set up as an immediate failure almost intentionally.

I see this is being covered much more now, but I think I’ll still do my doc with the quotes and links from the various states
A. because I’m a nerd
and
B. because it lets me avoid doing actual work.

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Teukka  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:34:29pm

re: #107 Stanley Sea

CNN is saying “Multiple people shot” at Bronx Lebanon Hospital

Crap.
*resets the “days since last shooting” counter*

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makeitstop  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:36:27pm

re: #103 Jack Burton

Why is this being allowed? We didn’t let Radio Moscow World Service transmit in the US during the cold war, so why is this OK now? As long as they lie about being state propaganda we can’t do anything?

The FCC underwent a tooth-ectomy. Zero enforcement power.

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Teukka  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:37:05pm

re: #109 Teukka

Crap.
*resets the “days since last shooting” counter*

Several casualties reported after gunman opens fire inside hospital in New York’s Bronx district
(This breaking news story is being updated and more details will be published shortly)

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EmmaAnne  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:37:21pm

re: #60 Belafon

The only reason you would need a filibuster proof majority is if Trump opposed it. Would he actually care if I couldn’t keep my kids on the insurance?

You are thinking of overriding a veto. Filibustering keeps the bill from ever being voted on in the Senate.

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BeachDem  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:38:01pm

re: #95 Stanley Sea

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I’m six behind in gathering quotes. Also matching them up to which states approved Kobach’s heinous CrossCheck. (And trying to keep my eye on Ken Blackwell)

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:38:10pm
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Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:38:45pm

Same ole racist canard

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Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:39:15pm
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sagehen  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:40:07pm

re: #112 EmmaAnne

You are thinking of overriding a veto. Filibustering keeps the bill from ever being voted on in the Senate.

Which is why McConnell eliminated the filibuster on Jan 21.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:40:39pm

re: #104 Big Beautiful Door

No, it shouldn’t be difficult to generate the savings they need by canceling the subsidies and Medicaid expansion to pay for the tax cuts. The result would be monstrous as the individual markets in all the states would enter death spirals.

Weren’t there also Medicare cuts in ACA that if repealed would increase the deficit? I seem to recall something about this in various repeal discussions. But it wouldn’t surprise me if Mitch just declares that whatever they propose they can use reconciliation because.

/

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:41:14pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:42:48pm

The clock has been thrown against the wall.
The clock has been thrown against the wall.

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Belafon  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:44:23pm

These are obviously the type of people we need to keep out of America (/sarcasm):

Saving America from smart schoolgirls: Afghan teenagers denied visa for robotics competition

An all-girl team from the city of Herat in Afghanistan has been invited to the United States to participate in the prestigious FIRST Robotic Competition. Despite great difficulty in obtaining both supplies and instruction, the girls have worked hard to design, construct, and program a robot for the competition. With the help of the first female tech CEO in the nation, they’re polished their skills and prepared. And they’ve literally risked their lives to be a part of the contest.

To interview for their visas, the girls risked a 500 mile trek cross-country to the American embassy in Kabul - the site of several recent suicide attacks and one deadly truck bomb in early June that killed at least 90 people.

They’re one of only two countries denied visas, the other being Gambia.

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BeachDem  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:45:47pm

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

some, but only publicly accessible information

Which is the same for other of the No states—won’t give SS# etc. and sounds like the “commission” can just go find it their own sweet selves in many cases.

Interesting, so far on my list, more states with CrossCheck than without (I’m behind, have 12 documented—7 with/5 without)

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:46:08pm

re: #120 FormerDirtDart

The clock has been thrown against the wall.
The clock has been thrown against the wall.

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Both Bill Kristol and Jennifer Rubin are devoted Never Trumpers. So when it comes to Trump, they are likely right most of the time, Jennifer more than Bill

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:46:27pm

re: #118 Sir John Barron

Weren’t there also Medicare cuts in ACA that if repealed would increase the deficit? I seem to recall something about this in various repeal discussions. But it wouldn’t surprise me if Mitch just declares that whatever they propose they can use reconciliation because.

/

They wouldn’t repeal the Medicare cuts, I’m sure.

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Belafon  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:46:39pm

re: #120 FormerDirtDart

The clock has been thrown against the wall.
The clock has been thrown against the wall.

Kristol hates Trump, and his hatred is the kind that can cause you to see a person the clearest.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:48:11pm

re: #121 Belafon

These are obviously the type of people we need to keep out of America (/sarcasm):

Saving America from smart schoolgirls: Afghan teenagers denied visa for robotics competition

They’re one of only two countries denied visas, the other being Gambia.

Makes me want to cry. So much small minded hate.

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Targetpractice  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:49:39pm

The interesting part is going to be watching the wingnuts square the circle on the state responses to Kobach’s request. Blue states would be easy, just blame Democrats trying to keep “voter fraud” going. But red states? Especially ones with Repub governors? That’s gonna take some rather interesting mental gymnastics.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:50:42pm

re: #127 Targetpractice

The interesting part is going to be watching the wingnuts square the circle on the state responses to Kobach’s request. Blue states would be easy, just blame Democrats trying to keep “voter fraud” going. But red states? Especially ones with Repub governors? That’s gonna take some rather interesting mental gymnastics.

RINOS!!!!11!1!1

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Sir John Barron  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:51:58pm

re: #127 Targetpractice

The interesting part is going to be watching the wingnuts square the circle on the state responses to Kobach’s request. Blue states would be easy, just blame Democrats trying to keep “voter fraud” going. But red states? Especially ones with Repub governors? That’s gonna take some rather interesting mental gymnastics.

“Well, those are ‘good states’ where we know that no illegal voting occurs.” /

Although Ohio would be one where I’m sure the GOP would like to show illegal voting in Cleveland, Cincinnati.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:53:30pm
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Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:59:20pm

re: #127 Targetpractice

The interesting part is going to be watching the wingnuts square the circle on the state responses to Kobach’s request. Blue states would be easy, just blame Democrats trying to keep “voter fraud” going. But red states? Especially ones with Repub governors? That’s gonna take some rather interesting mental gymnastics.

Especially with their states rights fixation.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 30, 2017 • 12:59:27pm

re: #124 Big Beautiful Door

They wouldn’t repeal the Medicare cuts, I’m sure.

I was thinking they had to repeal the whole thing, but maybe that isn’t true, and that they can pick provisions out and repeal them one-by-one.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:03:03pm

re: #132 Sir John Barron

I was thinking they had to repeal the whole thing, but maybe that isn’t true, and that they can pick provisions out and repeal them one-by-one.

the idea is to boil the frog slowly so that it does not impede their chances of maintaining power after upcoming elections

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:05:16pm

re: #132 Sir John Barron

I was thinking they had to repeal the whole thing, but maybe that isn’t true, and that they can pick provisions out and repeal them one-by-one.

Correct, or one repeal package for all the things they want to get rid of that are budgetary.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:07:28pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:08:41pm

So, picked up a bike today - my old antique really isn’t so good for riding around here so I picked up something a little more modern.

Wound up finding a good deal on an 18-speed bike; an Olpran “Phantom” which, though I didn’t know it at the time, is actually made locally - less than 100 km from here in the city of Olomouc.

I’ll take a photo tomorrow; it’s a bit late here. But this is an example:

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Sir John Barron  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:10:14pm

re: #134 Big Beautiful Door

Correct, or one repeal package for all the things they want to get rid of that are budgetary.

Although that would tend to create kind of a mess since the ACA was designed as so many inter-linking parts.

But what does this Congress care about messes?

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Birth Control Works  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:10:44pm

Obama brought out the racists.

Trump seems to have brought out the Sovereign Citizen/xenophobic/misogynistic —Whacko types.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:10:59pm

re: #136 Dr Lizardo

We’ve been missing WW the last couple of days…..??

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:12:01pm

re: #138 Sir John Barron

Although that would tend to create kind of a mess since the ACA was designed as so many inter-linking parts.

But what does this Congress care about messes?

You are correct; if they repeal the portions of the ACA which can be repealed by reconciliation and left the rest, every state’s individual insurance market would experience a rapid death spiral.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:13:23pm

re: #141 Big Beautiful Door

You are correct; if they repeal the portions of the ACA which can be repealed by reconciliation and left the rest, every state’s individual insurance market would experience a rapid death spiral.

dangerous. they want this a slow demise with barely a whimper, not gasping death throes…

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Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:14:19pm

Ah, she was here yesterday.

Must be busy building bikes.

Hi WW!

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Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:15:31pm

Female victim dead.
Murder suicide.
As always.

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Belafon  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:16:30pm

re: #139 Birth Control Works

Obama brought out the racists.

Trump seems to have brought out the Sovereign Citizen/xenophobic/misogynistic —Whacko types.

Obama “brought” them all out. Trump is just allowing them to think they’re in the mainstream.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:17:29pm

re: #136 Dr Lizardo

I see an old-school quill stem…

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:17:50pm

re: #144 Stanley Sea

Female victim dead.
Murder suicide.
As always.

Honor killing.

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ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:19:05pm

re: #94 makeitstop

Sad news today - Afghan Whigs guitarist Dave Rosser has passed away.

He worked with Greg Dulli in a couple of side projects and joined the Whigs when they reformed in 2014. This is a song from the reunion album ‘Do To The Beast.’ Like vintage Whigs, it’s both beautiful and menacing. RIP Dave.

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Video

Are you familiar with harold “Happy” Chichester from Columbus? He was one of the Twilighters. He also was in what I consider to be one of the first white punk soul bands… the RC Mob (Royal Crescent Mob) and then in another 90s band Howlin’ Maggie. One of Columbus’s better talents and just a bit eccentric too.

Here is a taste for you and others.

Howlin’ Maggie - Alcohol

Royal Crescent Mob - Timebomb

And the RC Mob did it first!

Royal Crescent Mob - Love Rollercoaster

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gocart mozart  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:20:56pm

re: #114 goddamnedfrank

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lawhawk  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:21:33pm

This is the kind of thing Trump’s thinking about… who did whose cosmetic surgery..

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Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:22:19pm

WTFITS

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Sir John Barron  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:23:16pm

re: #151 Stanley Sea

WTFITS

is he still the Kansas SOS?

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:23:53pm

re: #146 Jebediah, RBG

I see an old-school quill stem…

Mine’s different; I’ll take photos tomorrow when it’s daylight and post ‘em.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:23:55pm

re: #103 Jack Burton

Why is this being allowed? We didn’t let Radio Moscow World Service transmit in the US during the cold war, so why is this OK now? As long as they lie about being state propaganda we can’t do anything?

It’s a check being sent out by the Russian government to WAMU, DC’s primary NPR member station owned by American University.

Money only matters to WAMU.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:24:21pm

re: #151 Stanley Sea

WTFITS

“I’d like to start off with an apology—from YOU to ME! And that apology is NOT accepted.”

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Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:24:27pm

re: #152 Sir John Barron

is he still the Kansas SOS?

Appears so

kssos.org

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Jay C  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:26:01pm

re: #116 Stanley Sea

Shooter seems to have been identified as a doctor (!) - former employee of the hospital.
Now deceased.
(self-inflicted, by reports) “Unusual” for NY ‘cuz AR-15

Listening to live feed from local: former NYPD Commish Bill Bratton said there were 417 “workplace violence” deaths in 2015.
These incidents “commonplace” he sez.

God Bless America….

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Dave In Austin  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:27:33pm

re: #72 goddamnedfrank

IxHDx79v/o4aGhr3th5EV764E5E1wntWx6QAtEr9vKXXhNtPLLUphQ==

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:28:22pm

God damn it, people. I went away for an HOUR to take an afternoon nap, and somebody has to get shot.

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lawhawk  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:28:44pm

re: #159 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

RESET THE CLOCK!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:28:52pm

All these years I though he was singing “grain belt”, when it seems he is singing “green belt”. I am not about to change my version, but I still love this song:

Semaphore Signals by Wreckless Eric

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Belafon  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:30:00pm

re: #160 lawhawk

RESET THE CLOCK!

Yes, please. Take a nap for me now.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:30:05pm

Our gov.—Sununu—is gladly giving up the data. He at first implied that Trump might have been right about busloads of out-of-staters coming to New Hampshire to vote only belatedly taking it back. Laws here are already strict. Now they’re getting moreso. He just wants any reason to suppress he can find.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:30:27pm

re: #145 Belafon

Obama “brought” them all out. Trump is just allowing them to think they’re in the mainstream.

Their god is POTUS — what more validation do they need?

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makeitstop  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:30:37pm

re: #148 ObserverArt

Are you familiar with harold “Happy” Chichester from Columbus? He was one of the Twilighters. He also was in what I consider to be one of the first white punk soul bands… the RC Mob (Royal Crescent Mob) and then in another 90s band Howlin’ Maggie. One of Columbus’s better talents and just a bit eccentric too.

Here is a taste for you and others.

I’m familiar with Royal Crescent Mob, I’d never heard the Howlin’ Maggie tune. I’m diggin’ it.

I brought up Rosser’s death because a couple of years ago I did a bunch of shows with the country band of the other Whigs guitarist, Jon Skibic. The Whigs just released a new album, and I’m sure they’re going to be hurting to go out on tour without Dave.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:31:25pm

need to eat and get more coffee.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:32:58pm

time for early bedtime here…

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ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:33:49pm

re: #129 Sir John Barron

“Well, those are ‘good states’ where we know that no illegal voting occurs.” /

Although Ohio would be one where I’m sure the GOP would like to show illegal voting in Cleveland, Cincinnati.

And not Columbus?

(Waving over here…we sometimes get lost because of all that old history and sports franchises and stuff. But we are now the largest city in Ohio and sure to pass both Cinci and Cleveland metro areas.) : )

And because I am having fun digging up old Columbus tunes (see above) here is a fun RC Mob song I forgot about.

Youtube Video

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:35:11pm
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Birth Control Works  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:44:21pm

“skrælings”

I like that word

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KGxvi  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:45:31pm

re: #170 Birth Control Works

“skrælings”

I like that word

That’s a made up word…

Archer - Cheryl - Mind Blown

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darthstar  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:45:45pm

When a Republican says he wants to take away health care because that will motivate the GOP to pass something even better, he’s fucking lying.

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darthstar  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:49:52pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:51:43pm

A+ snark

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Birth Control Works  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:52:12pm

re: #171 KGxvi

That’s a made up word…

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Video

I still like it.:)

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ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:54:39pm

re: #165 makeitstop

I’m familiar with Royal Crescent Mob, I’d never heard the Howlin’ Maggie tune. I’m diggin’ it.

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Check out some of Howlin’ Maggie’s YouTubes. They were a hell of a band. Saw then a few times back in the 90s.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:55:41pm

back to photoshop

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EPR-radar  Jun 30, 2017 • 1:57:53pm

re: #172 darthstar

When a Republican says anything he wants to take away health care because that will motivate the GOP to pass something even better, he’s fucking lying.

FTFY. It was irresistible.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:03:25pm

LOL…look at how tiny his hand is!

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:04:09pm

re: #171 KGxvi

That’s a made up word…

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I could swear I’ve read that word before - it’s Old Norse.

en.wikipedia.org

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Teukka  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:05:51pm

New hashtag? #MAGAlomania

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gocart mozart  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:11:22pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:12:29pm

re: #183 gocart mozart

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Sasse still an asshole.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:12:53pm

Well, good night Lizards. Day shift in Europe is over.

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EPR-radar  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:14:44pm

re: #183 gocart mozart

Repeal with no replace is perfect for Republicans, since that way they get their tax cuts without even having to pretend to govern responsibly. The only thing that’s stopping them from doing this is that they think this level of ‘Fuck You’ to everyone will harm their reelection chances.

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EPR-radar  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:15:20pm

re: #184 HappyWarrior

Sasse still an asshole.

Sasse is a Republican elected official in DC. Therefore he is an asshole.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:15:56pm

Another Jersey golf weekend for 2-scoops.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:16:21pm

re: #173 darthstar

“Hey, I might have just started WWIII with this unpresidental tweet, but it felt AWESOME to send, doncha think?”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:19:16pm

He really is a child.

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wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:19:53pm

re: #143 Stanley Sea

Ah, she was here yesterday.

Must be busy building bikes.

Hi WW!

Hi SS!

Mostly I’m fixing those which have been dragged out of the carport for another season’s use. Also, I just finished cleaning up the one I sold in 2001 that was stolen in 2002. Don’t know what it did 2003 to 2015, but then it lay in someone’s yard for a year. Looks pretty good now, considering. Now I get to top off the tires of an outgoer that brought me 3 bikes in trade, plus a couple hundred dollars.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:20:43pm

re: #189 Myron Falwell

“Hey, I might have just started WWIII with this unpresidental tweet, but it felt AWESOME to send, doncha think?”

“You nailed it, sir!”

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gocart mozart  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:21:41pm
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Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:21:50pm

re: #191 wrenchwench

Make that $$!!

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Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:22:08pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:26:43pm

re: #194 Stanley Sea

Make that $$!!

The outgoer is going to the poorest county in the second poorest state. A few days ago, some tourists came through there to here, and said how awful it looked there, and so much nicer here. We’re the second poorest county. I didn’t point out the boarded up shop across the street. It’s been vacant for about 12 years, and boarded up for about a month.

I scrape it up however I can.

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ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:26:58pm

re: #195 Stanley Sea

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I love the smell of burning Republican Party cohesion in the afternoon.

It’s been a Great Time for The Grand Old Party lately, has it not?!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:27:20pm
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BigPapa  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:29:51pm

I don’t think you people realize how awesome this is… if they remove health care, it costs no money, and you die. And when you die, you don’t need money.

This is brilliant.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:30:03pm

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So organ harvesting from the poors is on the table?

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ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:30:11pm

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

Joy Reid ✔ @JoyAnnReid
OMG, the former McConnell staffer on with @NicolleDWallace just admitted that Trump is for “whatever can get 50 votes” on healthcare.
4:51 PM - 30 Jun 2017
1,498 1,498 Retweets 2,327 2,327 likes

He’s wearing his new emperor’s suit again today.

Don’t look. It’s not pretty.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:30:37pm

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:31:16pm

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

Joy Reid ✔ @JoyAnnReid
OMG, the former McConnell staffer on with @NicolleDWallace just admitted that Trump is for “whatever can get 50 votes” on healthcare.
3:51 PM - 30 Jun 2017

So is McConnell.

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gocart mozart  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:31:29pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:33:56pm

re: #199 BigPapa

I don’t think you people realize how awesome this is… if they remove health care, it costs no money, and you die. And when you die, you don’t need money.

This is brilliant.

Except — you may go to the ER for treatment and that can be extraordinarily expensive. The hospital may have to treat you with no hope of reimbursement, which can lead to hospital bankruptcy.

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ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:34:49pm

re: #200 Timothy Watson

So organ harvesting from the poors is on the table?

I always knew this movie scene was real. Hidden because it can be a little squeamish in that Python way.

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jaunte  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:38:28pm

re: #206 Hecuba’s daughter

Following BigPapa’s (R) logic: fewer hospitals : lower overall healthcare costs.

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jaunte  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:39:24pm

Unless life is somehow factored in as part of the cost/benefit calculation…

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:40:24pm

re: #195 Stanley Sea

The bible belt must be going nuts about this last four digit thing, especially since everybody there knows social security numbers are the mark of the beast.

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petesh  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:40:41pm

re: #209 jaunte

Unless life is somehow factored in as part of the cost/benefit calculation…

Priceless. Ergo, zero dollars.

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wrenchwench  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:41:10pm

re: #209 jaunte

Unless life is somehow factored in as part of the cost/benefit calculation…

I’m in favor of that.

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BigPapa  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:44:14pm

re: #211 petesh

Priceless. Ergo, zero dollars.

Now you’re getting TrumpThink. It’s Brilliant, Brilliant I sez.

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BigPapa  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:48:47pm

Jaunte killed the thread. No more healthcare dollars needed.

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Whack-A-Mole  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:51:38pm

re: #46 FormerDirtDart

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Between things like this and the NRA ad the other day, I’m feeling more than a tickle of fear at the possibility of an American brownshirt army.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:51:51pm

re: #212 wrenchwench

I’m in favor of that.

But Republicans aren’t. My RW brother seriously argues that the wealthier shouldn’t be burdened with paying for the care of those in need. Also, that all those health statistics that show the US does not compare well with other first world countries are deceptive, because our stats include minorities. Of course now that white life expectancy is dropping courtesy of the opioid epidemic, he may have to revise his argument.

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TedStriker  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:53:51pm

re: #216 Hecuba’s daughter

But Republicans aren’t. My RW brother seriously argues that the wealthier shouldn’t be burdened with paying for the care of those in need. Also, that all those health statistics that show the US does not compare well with other first world countries are deceptive, because our stats include minorities. Of course now that white life expectancy is dropping courtesy of the opioid epidemic, he may have to revise his argument.

Well, your brother sounds like a proper asshole…

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:57:30pm

re: #216 Hecuba’s daughter

What I’m seeing is that the definition of “acceptable white person” is contracting, so that the dead white people aren’t really white, and therefore brought it on themselves.

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freetoken  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:58:01pm

This happened:

Acid attack on two Muslim cousins in London being treated as hate crime

An unprovoked acid attack on two Muslim cousins in east London is now being treated by police as a hate crime.

Jameel Muhktar and Resham Khan were attacked while sitting in a car at traffic lights in Beckton on the morning of 21 June while out celebrating Khan’s 21st birthday
[…]

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Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:59:43pm

re: #216 Hecuba’s daughter

Here’s what I respond with. ” I don’t care what you think”.

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freetoken  Jun 30, 2017 • 2:59:49pm

This too happened:

Man jailed for hate attack on Muslim women in London

A man who launched an Islamophobic attack on two Muslim women while being filmed by his friend has been jailed.

Alex Chivers, 36, struck one of his victims with an open packet of bacon and shouted “You deserve this” during the assault on the mother and daughter in Enfield, north London, at about 4.40pm on 8 June.

[…]

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freetoken  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:01:27pm
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De Kolta Chair  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:01:44pm

re: #90 FormerDirtDart

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Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:05:06pm

The heirs to the Swanson foods fortune have had enough cash stuffed into their locker. Fuck the rich.

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EmmaAnne  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:08:28pm

re: #117 sagehen

Which is why McConnell eliminated the filibuster on Jan 21.

That was only for the Supreme Court, not for legislation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:09:30pm

Arizona is a “no”:

June 30, 2017

Statement from Arizona Secretary of State

Arizona will not provide the personal identifying information of Arizona’s voters to the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity. We will only make available the same redacted information that is available to the general public through a public records request. Social security numbers, Date of Birth and identifying information such as Mother’s maiden name will not be transmitted.

Arizona’s voters can expect to have their personal information remain private and safe

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Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:10:46pm

Elon Musks great grandchildren can go get real jobs. No inheritance.

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BeachDem  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:11:06pm

re: #195 Stanley Sea

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I have it in my list with BONUS POINTS for that comment.

I’m up to 27 states—all either flat out no or “we’ll only give you public records” except for Missouri—big time ass-kissing there:

Missouri Secretary of State Jay Ashcroft, a Republican, called the commission’s requests fair and said that his office looks “forward to working with Secretary Kobach and the commission on its findings and offer our support in the collective effort to enhance the American people’s confidence in the integrity of the elections process.”

Oddly, Kobach has denied his own request in Kansas:

Kobach said Friday that Kansas also won’t be sharing Social Security information with the commission, for which he serves as vice chairman, at this time. The state will share other information about the state’s registered voters, including names and addresses, which are subject to the state’s open record laws.

Also getting bonus points, Wisconsin, for this:

Haas said that the president’s commission could buy more limited data on the full voter rolls from the state for $12,500 in the same way that many political campaigns do.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:11:27pm

re: #210 De Kolta Chair

The bible belt must be going nuts about this last four digit thing, especially since everybody knows social security numbers are the mark of the beast.

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But wait, I thought Trump was the second coming of Jesus, not the Antichrist.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:12:03pm

re: #17 Targetpractice

“We could have already had a replacement plan in place, but Democrats are standing in the way! They would rather millions of Americans die than accept this ‘reasonable’ replacement plan!”

But they can do whatever the hell they want in Congress since they have majorities in both chambers. Only fools will buy any argument that the Democrats are obstructing anything Republicans want to do. Republicans really don’t know how to govern but they do a hell of a job at obstructing. Just ask President Obama.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:13:43pm

re: #226 Backwoods_Sleuth

Arizona is a “no”:

♫ And the cacti they are a-changin’ ♬

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:15:10pm

re: #228 BeachDem

Sadly, Maryland hasn’t joined the list of states giving Kobach the middle finger — not as yet. But we have a Republican Governor (boo). I’ve contacted our Secretary of State to encourage him not to comply with Kobach’s demands. It must be obvious to anyone with two brain cells that Kobach is trying to suppress votes nationwide — just as he did before on a state by state basis in the past.

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gocart mozart  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:15:51pm

Whoever, being an officer, or employee of the United States or any department or agency thereof, or representing himself to be or assuming to act as such, under color or pretense of office or employment commits or attempts an act of extortion, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both;  but if the amount so extorted or demanded does not exceed $1,000, he shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

18 USC 872

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Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:19:09pm

Though Americans argue over whether income taxes should

be higher or lower, there is consensus that they are a part of life. Inheritance and estate taxes, though, enjoy no such acceptance. Americans simply don’t like the concept of taxing inheritances, but the estate tax actually meshes well with the cherished American ideal of fairness—in fact, its vilification is partially the result of a calculated campaign on the part of those whom it benefits most.

An estimated $1 trillion is predicted to be passed down from estates annually in the coming decades, but the tax aimed at that money applies extremely infrequently: The left-of-center Center on Budget and Policy Priorities estimates that only two out of every 1,000 estates pay any taxes on what’s handed down to the next generation. And that number represents a significant decline from what laws required a decade ago. In 2014, the IRS reported there were only 11,931 estate tax returns filed for the entire year, down 74 percent from 2005.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:23:37pm

re: #157 Jay C

More human sacrifices to water the Tree of Liberty.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:25:58pm
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lawhawk  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:26:25pm

re: #234 Amory Blaine

An estate tax repeal is a big budget hit, and it affects so few Americans that the venom about it is completely disproportionate.

The anti-estate tax folks love to treat this as though the tax hit family farmers, when the reality is the federal estate tax starts hitting people only if the estate is valued at $5.49 million or more.

There are a handful of states that impose estate tax, which can hit below the federal threshold.

GOP hates all that, even though this helps millionaires retain and pass on their wealth.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:28:14pm

So, offtopic I know, but I’m seeing that Photobucket decided to break embedded linking to their photos and it’s destroying vast swaths of the Internet. Makes me glad for a place like LGF, where we can maintain an image library and embed images to our heart’s content.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:28:27pm

I’m really shocked that even Mississippi didn’t acede to Trump on this. Wow.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:28:43pm

Also, new one for today:

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:29:35pm

re: #172 darthstar

When a Republican says he wants to take away health care because that will motivate the GOP to pass something even better, he’s fucking lying.

I believe this correction catches the heart of the matter.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:31:11pm

The family farmer has been weaponized. However, why should I care for them? This is the same argument for coal miners and factory workers. No one gives a toss about the factory worker laid off. If farms can’t compete against foreign imports why should they be allowed to exist? What, people feel entitled to food?

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lawhawk  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:31:16pm

re: #236 Charles Johnson

As of a few minutes ago, it looks like 24 states have told Kobach and Trump to go fuck themselves in polite legal terms.

Kobach has always been a piece of work. He hasn’t cared so much about doing his job as Secretary of State so much as trying to disinfranchise minority and poor voters - the ones who’d be harmed most by the voter-ID laws and onerous requirements designed to fight a problem that simply is hyped all while suppression does far more harm.

A single person voting as someone else equals 2 total votes.

Kobach disinfranchising people can result in hundreds of thousands losing the right to vote and influence an election. That’s the real damage to society.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:32:09pm

re: #243 lawhawk

As of a few minutes ago, it looks like 24 states have told Kobach and Trump to go fuck themselves in polite legal terms.

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Kobach has always been a piece of work. He hasn’t cared so much about doing his job as Secretary of State so much as trying to disinfranchise minority and poor voters - the ones who’d be harmed most by the voter-ID laws and onerous requirements designed to fight a problem that simply is hyped all while suppression does far more harm.

A single person voting as someone else equals 2 total votes.

Kobach disinfranchising people can result in hundreds of thousands losing the right to vote and influence an election. That’s the real damage to society.

Add KS to that list - I believe there was a tweet upthread that Kobach wouldn’t even disclose his own voters’ personal information to his own committee.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:32:55pm

jeebus…this is awful

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retired cynic  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:33:41pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL…look at how tiny his hand is!

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Look at that … ugly… dress Melania is wearing.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:33:47pm

re: #233 gocart mozart

How freaking apt would it be for the ultimate fame-whore Donald Trump to be impeached for attempting to blackmail another fame-whore (“Psycho Joe”) with the assistance of his long-time buddy, the fame-whore owner of the National Enquirer?

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:34:33pm

re: #186 EPR-radar

The only thing that’s stopping them from doing this is that they think this level of ‘Fuck You’ to everyone will harm their reelection chances of living to the next election.

Any Congresscritter or Senator that kills the ACA with no replacement knows that their ass is grass should they do that.

They won’t be going back to their districts or states. They will be living in the Capitol building because there will be nowhere on Earth that is safe for them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:35:35pm

re: #243 lawhawk

Georgia should also be included on that list.

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KingKenrod  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:36:51pm

Those right-wing states that are balking at sending voter info to Trump probably realize the next administration could use it in court as evidence for voter suppression.

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Jay C  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:38:20pm

re: #235 Romantic Heretic

More human sacrifices to water the Tree of Liberty.

Well, that tree seem to be a standard decoration in a lot of offices around the country: the police are treating the Bronx Lebanon shooting as a (disgracefully standard) case of “workplace violence”, the late shooter being, apparently, the (disgracefully standard) “disgruntled ex-employee”, one Dr. Henry Bello, 45.

what we know about him now:

The shooter has been identified as Dr. Henry Michael Bello, a 45-year-old Nigeria-born family medicine doctor formerly employed at the hospital, according to sources.
Bello was found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound on the 17th floor after a two-story shooting rampage that left one doctor — a woman who has yet to be identified — dead and others fighting for their lives.

Officials said Bello tried to set himself on fire before committing suicide.

Sources tell NBC 4 New York a preliminary investigation reveals Bello resigned from the hospital in 2015 in lieu of termination.

Bello has past arrests for sex abuse, turnstile jumping, burglary and public urination, law enforcement sources said.

Source: Who Is Henry Bello? What We Know About Bronx-Lebanon Hospital Shooter | NBC New York nbcnewyork.com
Follow us: @nbcnewyork on Twitter | NBCNewYork on Facebook

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:39:44pm

this makes me feel really old…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:39:59pm

re: #251 Jay C

Great here come more Angry black men talking points from the bigot brigade…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:40:34pm

Chuck Schumer, throwing some shade…

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lawhawk  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:42:59pm

re: #250 KingKenrod

Those right-wing states that are balking at sending voter info to Trump probably realize the next administration could use it in court as evidence for voter suppression.

They wouldn’t have to wait that long before the ACLU sues all of those states for voter suppression, as well as possible breaches of confidentiality rules on use of that information.

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sagehen  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:44:13pm

re: #237 lawhawk

An estate tax repeal is a big budget hit, and it affects so few Americans that the venom about it is completely disproportionate.

When Andrew Carnegie proposed and lobbied for the estate tax, it was never his intent that the government should get *any* of that money. He wanted people who’d amassed great fortunes to give it all away before they died, because they’d presumably have good ideas about how such funds should be put back into circulation to benefit the general public and build a better future for us all.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:45:15pm

re: #252 Backwoods_Sleuth

this makes me feel really old…

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Hey, we had the album with those on it!

In Mono.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:45:54pm
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Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:46:10pm

re: #245 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus…this is awful

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Part 2 dropped yesterday.

jsonline.com

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EPR-radar  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:46:22pm

re: #234 Amory Blaine

The estate tax is the best tax there is. Republicans have been very successful at demonizing it as a ‘death tax’.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:48:14pm

re: #256 sagehen

When Andrew Carnegie proposed and lobbied for the estate tax, it was never his intent that the government should get *any* of that money. He wanted people who’d amassed great fortunes to give it all away before they died, because they’d presumably have good ideas about how such funds should be put back into circulation to benefit the general public and build a better future for us all.

Like Agnes Gund!

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:48:54pm

re: #234 Amory Blaine

re: #237 lawhawk

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gocart mozart  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:49:25pm

Since we can’t trust the Feds, let’s get A.G. Schneiderman on the horn.

A person is guilty of coercion in the second degree when he or she compels or induces a person to engage in conduct which the latter has a legal right to abstain from engaging in, or to abstain from engaging in conduct in which he or she has a legal right to engage, or compels or induces a person to join a group, organization or criminal enterprise which such latter person has a right to abstain from joining, by means of instilling in him or her a fear that, if the demand is not complied with, the actor or another will:

1. Cause physical injury to a person;  or
2. Cause damage to property;  or
3. Engage in other conduct constituting a crime;  or
4. Accuse some person of a crime or cause criminal charges to be instituted against him or her;  or
5. Expose a secret or publicize an asserted fact, whether true or false, tending to subject some person to hatred, contempt or ridicule;  or
6. Cause a strike, boycott or other collective labor group action injurious to some person’s business;  except that such a threat shall not be deemed coercive when the act or omission compelled is for the benefit of the group in whose interest the actor purports to act;  or
7. Testify or provide information or withhold testimony or information with respect to another’s legal claim or defense;  or
8. Use or abuse his or her position as a public servant by performing some act within or related to his or her official duties, or by failing or refusing to perform an official duty, in such manner as to affect some person adversely;  or
9. Perform any other act which would not in itself materially benefit the actor but which is calculated to harm another person materially with respect to his or her health, safety, business, calling, career, financial condition, reputation or personal relationships.

Coercion in the second degree is a class A misdemeanor.

New York Consolidated Laws, Penal Law - PEN § 135.60 Coercion in the second degree codes.findlaw.com
MSNBC is headquartered in NYC so NY also has jurisdiction.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:50:17pm

re: #256 sagehen

When Andrew Carnegie proposed and lobbied for the estate tax, it was never his intent that the government should get *any* of that money. He wanted people who’d amassed great fortunes to give it all away before they died, because they’d presumably have good ideas about how such funds should be put back into circulation to benefit the general public and build a better future for us all.

We USED TO deplore the idea of a moneyed aristocracy. Look at movies from before 1980 - the children of the rich were generally seen as vapid and silly.

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EPR-radar  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:50:18pm

re: #245 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus…this is awful

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What do you mean by awful? Prosperity Gospel Jayzus approves of indentured servitude in Moneybags 15:13 “Blessed are the Rich, for they own the Kingdom of Heaven”

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Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:52:19pm

Yep, and in a few decades we’ll have to listen to Paris Hilton’s kid pontificate on why the starving should just eat cake.

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EPR-radar  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:53:36pm

re: #264 Blind Frog Belly White

We USED TO deplore the idea of a moneyed aristocracy. Look at movies from before 1980 - the children of the rich were generally seen as vapid and silly.

“Filthy rich” used to be a reasonably common expression. Not any more.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:53:46pm

re: #260 EPR-radar

The estate tax is the best tax there is. Republicans have been very successful at demonizing it as a ‘death tax’.

They have successfully turned it, in the mind of the GOP rank-and-vile, from a tax on plutocrats into a tax on Mom-and-Pop Shops and family farms.

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jaunte  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:53:53pm
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retired cynic  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:53:59pm

“First, that is one heroic paragraph right there. (Mister, we could use a man like R.P. Whipple again.) Second, bold-face that sucker anywhere you want. You’ll find something you can hang on the current state of the nation. Plus ca change…”

Charlie Pierce, on his game.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:54:40pm

The family farmer can join the rest of us under the bus.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:56:09pm
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EPR-radar  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:56:37pm

re: #269 jaunte

Bingo. US plutocrats are already the most wealthy and powerful ruling class in history. The more villainous among them (Koch brothers, Thiel etc.) spend their every waking moment scheming for more money and power.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:56:53pm

re: #269 jaunte

“The US is a plutocracy to a degree unimaginable in Europe.”

And the funny thing about that is that we developed our former jaundiced view of wealth and the aristocracy in reaction to old, pre-WWI Europe (think Season 1 of Downton Abbey)

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jaunte  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:57:19pm

re: #273 EPR-radar

It’s really insane.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 30, 2017 • 3:59:35pm

re: #260 EPR-radar

“Death tax” was created by none other than Frank Luntz.

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prairiefire  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:00:03pm

Happy Friday, lizards! Make of it what you will.

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BeachDem  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:00:55pm

I’m up to 30 states that have issued statements. Have them alphabetically in a word document with the statements and links.

A few Hell to the no
Most—only public information (Wisconsin saying they can pay for it like a common person)
One (Missouri) saying gee, of course, whatevah you want, Mr. Kobach.

States I’m missing right now—let me know if you find anything:

Alabama
Alaska
Arkansas
Delaware
Florida
Hawaii
Idaho
Illinois
Iowa
Louisiana
Maine
Maryland
Nebraska
New Hampshire
New Jersey
North Dakota
Oregon
South Carolina
West Virginia
Wyoming

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Charles Johnson  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:02:12pm
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EPR-radar  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:02:37pm

re: #276 Ace Rothstein

“Death tax” was created by none other than Frank Luntz.

Indeed. Which is why Luntz’s occasional recent commentary on the excesses of the Republican party and tr*mp are just noise. He, more than just about anyone else, built the political cancer known as the US Republican party.

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jaunte  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:03:31pm
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Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:04:16pm

re: #277 prairiefire

Happy Friday, lizards! Make of it what you will.

Waiting for a news scoop!!

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prairiefire  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:04:47pm

re: #278 BeachDem

I knew Grietens would fold like a cheap suit.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:05:30pm

re: #282 Stanley Sea

Waiting for a news scoop!!

Wasn’t that a Beach Boys song?

“It’s a little news scoop!
“You don’t know what I got!”

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jeffreyw  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:06:09pm

Imgur

Dog: “That turtle got TOLD”.
Turtle: “Dog? There was a dog?”

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EPR-radar  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:07:30pm

re: #282 Stanley Sea

Waiting for a news scoop!!

US political news, every damn day:

1) tr*mp is the same evil, incompetent, malicious asshole he has always been.

2) Republican’s rally around the shit-smeared flag of their foul overlord.

3) A completely unreasonable fraction of the mainstream media view their only job as finding ways to studiously ignore #1 and #2 above.

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gocart mozart  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:08:46pm
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Pineapple Pizzagate  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:10:37pm

re: #287 gocart mozart

“America First!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:11:02pm

re: #278 BeachDem

Georgia

Pennsylvania

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:12:25pm

re: #289 Backwoods_Sleuth

oops…I read you tweet backward…

sorry!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:13:00pm

re: #269 jaunte

Here’s the problem with factual analysis like that - They. Don’t. Believe. It.

The standard answer from wingnuts to the question of income inequality (after “the rich are the most productive people in society!”) is that we have the greatest social mobility.

They see Europe as either something like pre-WWI Europe, with a rigidly fixed class system, or a socialist hellhole of shared poverty where NOBODY has anything. This is why saying ‘You don’t want to be like EUROPE!’ works, while people who have either traveled, or know somebody from Europe wonder what the hell they’re talking about.

They just KNOW that those people in the countries with universal healthcare all get cut off at 60 years old, that they can’t ever see a doctor, etc. When you point out that those countries all have better health outcomes by any measure, they make the handwaving “their populations are smaller and less diverse!”, as if that made any sense.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:14:35pm
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BeachDem  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:15:21pm

re: #283 prairiefire

I knew Grietens would fold like a cheap suit.

Technically it was Ashcroft who had his lips on Kobach’s ass.

Missouri Secretary of State Jay Ashcroft, a Republican, called the commission’s requests fair and said that his office looks “forward to working with Secretary Kobach and the commission on its findings and offer our support in the collective effort to enhance the American people’s confidence in the integrity of the elections process.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:15:31pm

Where is Michigan?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:15:52pm

LOLOLOLOL!!!

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:16:19pm

We’re right there with you, Buzz.

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jaunte  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:17:15pm

The Trump gang is filled with bullying creeps.

“…Kobach said Friday that the commission has no legal authority to compel states to hand over the information but that the Justice Department does possess such power. He said he could not say whether the department would become involved in the effort to obtain information from states. First, he said, the commission wants to see what information it receives from states.”
kansascity.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:17:50pm

re: #295 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOL!!!

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No, that would be your investigation, Sarah but thanks for playing Projection, the favorite game of Republicans everywhere.

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BeachDem  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:18:18pm

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Guess I’ll count that as a no for now.

31 down, 19 to go

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:18:23pm

re: #291 Blind Frog Belly White

They just KNOW that those people in the countries with universal healthcare all get cut off at 60 years old, that they can’t ever see a doctor, etc. When you point out that those countries all have better health outcomes by any measure, they make the handwaving “their populations are smaller and less diverse!”, as if that made any sense.

Actually the less diverse argument makes sense — i.e. these countries don’t have a minority population that has been systematically discriminated against for centuries, treated as inferior, and is unable to access decent health care.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:18:38pm

re: #297 jaunte

The Trump gang is filled with bullying creeps.

There’s that conservative love of small government.//

302
gocart mozart  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:19:18pm

Great minds yada yada

303
jaunte  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:19:38pm

re: #301 HappyWarrior

“We left our Justice Department guns at home… THIS TIME!!!”

304
EPR-radar  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:19:44pm

re: #297 jaunte

The Trump gang is filled with bullying creeps.

Coming soon to DC: ‘Ve haff vays of making you talk’.

305
prairiefire  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:21:03pm

re: #297 jaunte

The Trump gang is filled with bullying creeps.

Puke, puke, pukity puke. Kobach is a stain on our country.

306
BeachDem  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:21:17pm

re: #294 The Vicious Babushka

Where is Michigan?

Michigan (CrossCheck)

Says has not received request yet, but:

The department will provide voter information consistent with state law and will not provide info protected by state law.

It’s worth noting that even in states in which a secretary of state has said that voter info won’t be provided to the federal government, voter info is in fact readily available for a nominal fee.

facebook.com

307
sagehen  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:21:43pm

re: #266 Amory Blaine

Yep, and in a few decades we’ll have to listen to Paris Hilton’s kid pontificate on why the starving should just eat cake.

Bad example; Paris Hilton’s inheritance from grandpa was enough to live pretty comfortably for her lifetime (approx $5M), but the bulk of her wealth is her own earnings in her own lifetime. Her family gave her the name, fame, education and connections, but she’s the one who parlayed that into income-producing activities.

308
BeachDem  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:26:02pm

Probably worth a look—Ari Berman totally has Kris Kobach’s number.

309
Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:26:33pm

Outside of the name, education connections and 5 million seed money she’s self made. ;)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:28:18pm
311
sagehen  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:28:18pm

re: #309 Amory Blaine

Outside of the name, education connections and 5 million seed money she’s self made. ;)

She doesn’t claim, and never did, to be entirely self-made; and her net worth is about 100x more than her inheritance.

312
Dave In Austin  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:28:28pm

re: #225 EmmaAnne

That was only for the Supreme Court, not for legislation.

Yet…

313
ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:31:06pm

Sean Sullivan from Washington Post is saying outside of Rand Paul and Ben Sasse, the repeal and then replace separation has zero chance. Majority of Senate won’t go with it.

He even said, if this sucker dies Mitch is prepared to work with Democrats though he still hopes to press it through. That sounds like a plan with contingencies…knowing it is 50/50 at best.

Watching Steve Corny-acki sub for Chris Matthews. Slumming.

314
Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:32:36pm

re: #311 sagehen

Ok, I’ll stop picking on her.

315
Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:33:06pm

re: #310 Blind Frog Belly White

[Embedded content]

Link didn’t take me there. Looked around HuffPo & couldn’t find.

But I found the acid attack against the Muslim couple. OMG

316
Hecuba's daughter  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:35:04pm

re: #278 BeachDem

Checked on my state and discovered that Illinois, of course, has to be different: the Secretary of State has nothing to do with elections, although he was bombarded with calls. He helpfully tweeted the name and phone number of the agency actually responsible; but this group isn’t meeting until Monday.

317
Barefoot Grin  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:35:06pm

re: #280 EPR-radar

Indeed. Which is why Luntz’s occasional recent commentary on the excesses of the Republican party and tr*mp are just noise. He, more than just about anyone else, built the political cancer known as the US Republican party.

Luntz and Gingrich.

318
Jay C  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:36:02pm

re: #297 jaunte

The Trump gang is filled with bullying creeps.

“…Kobach said Friday that the commission has no legal authority to compel states to hand over the information but that the Justice Department does possess such power. He said he could not say whether the department would become involved in the effort to obtain information from states. First, he said, the commission wants to see what information it receives from states.”
kansascity.com

Oh now that’s a swell prospect: states won’t hand over the data at first request, so Grand Inquisitor Kris is going to sic Justice on them? How? Sue the states for the data? In what courts? And what if some states (NY is one, I would imagine) decide to (literally) make a Federal case out of it? Doesn’t this (as a State-vs-Feds matter) have to go straight to the SC? And how long is THAT going to take?

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prairiefire  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:36:27pm

re: #316 Hecuba’s daughter

Lol, we’ll get back to you on Monday, before the holiday on Tuesday.

320
Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:38:49pm

re: #317 Barefoot Grin

Luntz and Gingrich.

I get the feeling that Luntz is looking at the party he built, rolling around in the cesspool with that pig Trump and feeling sick to his stomach, though I don’t think he realizes how much of it is his fault.

Gingrich? He’s cannonballing into deepest, most vile part of the whole cesspool.

321
BeachDem  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:40:27pm

Keerist on a roller skate—I thought things were bad with Kobach and Blackwell on the voter purge commission—how did I miss that the yam added this ragin asshole yesterday:

Trump’s addition to the commission of Hans Von Spakovsky, a Heritage Foundation scholar and longtime sparring partner for the groups, on Thursday.

And this comment by Ken Blackwell almost made me swallow my tongue.

“We know that there have been penetrations of the integrity of the system. There are documented cases of voter rolls that can be misused. We’re going to look at data I’m sure, and look at how vulnerable system is and is not,” he said.

Yeah, you fucking asshole, YOU are the one who penetrated the integrity of the system and you should have fucking gone to prison for it.

(OK—deep breaths, deep breaths—I’m a little bit obsessed with this thing.)

322
Unshaken Defiance  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:41:15pm

re: #307 sagehen

Bad example; Paris Hilton’s inheritance from grandpa was enough to live pretty comfortably for her lifetime (approx $5M), but the bulk of her wealth is her own earnings in her own lifetime. Her family gave her the name, fame, education and connections, but she’s the one who parlayed that into income-producing activities.

And turned her back on the stupid party scene/sex tape overexposure route. Unlike the Kardashians.

323
BeachDem  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:42:55pm

re: #316 Hecuba’s daughter

Checked on my state and discovered that Illinois, of course, has to be different: the Secretary of State has nothing to do with elections, although he was bombarded with calls. He helpfully tweeted the name and phone number of the agency actually responsible; but this group isn’t meeting until Monday.

Same here—-it’s the Election Commission that handles it—good news, there are some Dems on it; bad news, they’re outnumbered. SC says they haven’t received the letter yet.

324
ObserverArt  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:43:11pm

re: #320 Blind Frog Belly White

I get the feeling that Luntz is looking at the party he built, rolling around in the cesspool with that pig Trump and feeling sick to his stomach, though I don’t think he realizes how much of it is his fault.

Gingrich? He’s cannonballing into deepest, most vile part of the whole cesspool.

I thought Gingrich was sorta rising out of the muck again instead of diving in. He lies at the bottom hiding until he can surface again for another feeding on rubes.

325
Unshaken Defiance  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:43:17pm

re: #321 BeachDem

(OK—deep breaths, deep breaths—I’m a little bit obsessed with this thing.)

It’s all good this is a marathon not a sprint. ;-) Or a better yet a relay, one of us tires, and the baton moves on.

326
wheat-dogg  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:43:26pm

re: #322 Unshaken Defiance

And turned her back on the stupid party scene/sex tape overexposure route. Unlike the Kardashians.

I got no complaints about Paris Hilton. At least she’s not just a trust fund baby, or a grifter like the Trump progeny (with the possible exception of Tiffany).

327
retired cynic  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:45:10pm

re: #318 Jay C

Oh now that’s a swell prospect: states won’t hand over the data at first request, so Grand Inquisitor Kris is going to sic Justice on them? How? Sue the states for the data? In what courts? And what if some states (NY is one, I would imagine) decide to (literally) make a Federal case out of it? Doesn’t this (as a State-vs-Feds matter) have to go straight to the SC? And how long is THAT going to take?

And cost.

328
gocart mozart  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:45:32pm
329
Patricia Kayden  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:45:32pm

re: #56 Big Beautiful Door

And the GOP will claim the Democrats are covering up evidence of voter fraud. Its a win-win for Kobach.

Doesn’t matter what the GOP will claim against Democrats. Kobach’s request is outrageous. I cannot believe what is happening in this country.

330
Unshaken Defiance  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:46:30pm

re: #326 wheat-dogg

I got no complaints about Paris Hilton. At least she’s not just a trust fund baby, or a grifter like the Trump progeny (with the possible exception of Tiffany).

I don’t hold wealth per se against anyone. Not even inherited wealth. Their actions however are amplified by the money, and actions I do watch.

331
fern01  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:46:35pm

re: #190 HappyWarrior

He really is a child.

Nope - children do not continue to behave this way when it is explained to them why it is wrong and the consequences of their words/actions.

332
EPR-radar  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:47:32pm

re: #311 sagehen

She doesn’t claim, and never did, to be entirely self-made; and her net worth is about 100x more than her inheritance.

So Paris Hilton is a competent member of the hereditary aristocracy presently forming in the US.

333
Patricia Kayden  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:47:53pm

re: #321 BeachDem

And I bet Blackwell is one of those Conservatives who doesn’t believe that Russia tried to interfere with our last presidential elections. It’s only voter fraud when the wrong side wins.

334
wheat-dogg  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:48:05pm

re: #330 Unshaken Defiance

I don’t hold wealth per se against anyone. Not even inherited wealth. Their actions however are amplified by the money, and actions I do watch.

Trump’s remarks about watching Paris’ sex tape creeped me out though. He was bragging about knowing her since she was 13 or something.

335
Amory Blaine  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:48:48pm

Inherited wealth is destroying the democracy. But I’m done beating the dead horse. Promise.

336
Barefoot Grin  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:48:57pm

re: #320 Blind Frog Belly White

I get the feeling that Luntz is looking at the party he built, rolling around in the cesspool with that pig Trump and feeling sick to his stomach, though I don’t think he realizes how much of it is his fault.

Gingrich? He’s cannonballing into deepest, most vile part of the whole cesspool.

When I think “could there be anyone as unprincipled as Mitch McConnell?” I think of Newt.

337
wheat-dogg  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:49:47pm

re: #296 Ace Rothstein

We’re right there with you, Buzz.

[Embedded content]

I bet Buzz wishes he could punch The Donald in the face, and get away with it.

338
EPR-radar  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:51:31pm

re: #330 Unshaken Defiance

I don’t hold wealth per se against anyone. Not even inherited wealth. Their actions however are amplified by the money, and actions I do watch.

Public policy changes to reduce wealth concentration and wealth inheritance aren’t ‘against the rich’ although that is usually how it gets framed.

339
Cheechako  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:51:37pm

re: #278 BeachDem

Alaska elections director says Trump commission will get some voter data — but not if it’s private

Alaska elections officials say they will release the state’s voter rolls to President Donald Trump’s election integrity and voter fraud commission, but that list will be scrubbed of private voter information.

340
Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:52:12pm

re: #336 Barefoot Grin

When I think “could there be anyone as unprincipled as Mitch McConnell?” I think of Newt.

I remember Newt cutting a PSA with Nancy Pelosi, talking about climate change, and how we should all be concerned.

Now, of course, he says it’s a hoax. Then again, he pushed for Obstruction of Justice in the Articles of Impeachment against Bill Clinton, and last week he said that the President can’t obstruct justice.

341
Kragar  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:52:19pm
342
Patricia Kayden  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:53:00pm

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Democrats should be suing Kobach and his commission for demanding confidential voter data (including voting patterns). Why does he need to know how I vote? No way a Democratic administration could get away with this nonsense.

343
EmmaAnne  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:53:44pm

re: #335 Amory Blaine

Inherited wealth is destroying the democracy. But I’m done beating the dead horse. Promise.

I would agree if you said unfettered inherited wealth. Rich people have always left something to their children - but when a reasonable chunk of it went to estate taxes it didn’t get out of hand to the same extent.

344
BeachDem  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:54:06pm

re: #333 Patricia Kayden

And I bet Blackwell is one of those Conservatives who doesn’t believe that Russia tried to interfere with our last presidential elections. It’s only voter fraud when the wrong side wins.

Ken’s only sad he didn’t do it first. He’s about as dirty as they come. Always has been; always will be. And of course, he’s affiliated with the Family Research Council.

345
Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:55:46pm

Fuck me.

346
EPR-radar  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:59:00pm

re: #343 EmmaAnne

I would agree if you said unfettered inherited wealth. Rich people have always left something to their children - but when a reasonable chunk of it went to estate taxes it didn’t get out of hand to the same extent.

Something like the Walton fortune is inherently a curse on the nation. I’m in favor of truly high marginal estate tax rates once the estate is well into the multi-millions and above.

347
Jack Burton  Jun 30, 2017 • 4:59:31pm

Clownstick sure is bringing all those jobs back, eh Michigan voters?

Ford to shift Focus production to China in 2019

348
BeachDem  Jun 30, 2017 • 5:00:51pm
349
The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2017 • 5:01:22pm

re: #347 Jack Burton

Clownstick sure is bringing all those jobs back, eh Michigan voters?

Ford to shift Focus production to China in 2019

Ford Focus is the #1 selling vehicle in the world, but not popular in the U.S. Americans like their F-150’s.

350
freetoken  Jun 30, 2017 • 5:01:33pm

The “improved” Google News now shows less than ever.

351
gocart mozart  Jun 30, 2017 • 5:03:01pm

re: #345 Blind Frog Belly White
The full official transcript is here: whitehouse.gov
While our POTUS is a joke, those words are real.

So, I just want to tell you that we are now going to sign an executive order, and this is going to launch a whole new chapter for our great country. And people are very excited about it and I can tell you, I’m very excited about it. Thank you all very much. (Applause.)

(The order is signed.)

COLONEL ALDRIN: Infinity and beyond. (Laughter.)

THE PRESIDENT: This is infinity here. It could be infinity. We don’t really don’t know. But it could be. It has to be something — but it could be infinity, right?

Okay. (Applause.)

END
3:10 P.M. EDT

352
wheat-dogg  Jun 30, 2017 • 5:03:56pm

re: #349 The Vicious Babushka

Ford Focus is the #1 selling vehicle in the world, but not popular in the U.S. Americans like their F-150’s.

I have friends in China who have Ford Foci. They are very nice cars, comfortable, economical and reliable.

353
Jack Burton  Jun 30, 2017 • 5:04:42pm

re: #349 The Vicious Babushka

Ford Focus is the #1 selling vehicle in the world, but not popular in the U.S. Americans like their F-150’s.

From what I understand, the AWD sport versions of that car are extremely popular here among those who want that sort of thing, especially since there are no real competitors to it other than the Subaru WRX line, and those haven’t been updated for *years* and aren’t due to be until 2020-ish.

354
wheat-dogg  Jun 30, 2017 • 5:04:55pm

re: #351 gocart mozart

The full official transcript is here: whitehouse.gov
While our POTUS is a joke, those words are real.

He is an idiot on so many levels, it defies description.

355
gocart mozart  Jun 30, 2017 • 5:05:12pm
356
freetoken  Jun 30, 2017 • 5:05:24pm

In which we learn that one of the funders of George Church’s effort to experiment with mammoths is non other than Silicon Valley wingnut extraordinaire Peter Thiel:

Mammoth task: billionaire Peter Thiel funded effort to resurrect woolly beast

Good for Church for raising money, but Thiel in so many ways encapsulates the problems of contemporary America.

357
Unshaken Defiance  Jun 30, 2017 • 5:05:42pm

re: #338 EPR-radar

Public policy changes to reduce wealth concentration and wealth inheritance aren’t ‘against the rich’ although that is usually how it gets framed.

How it gets framed depends largely on whom we ask, or who appears dominant in popular media. On wealth inherited or otherwise-I refuse to paint a Bill Gates or Elon Musk with a Pharmabro based broad brush. Or ignore what independent business success Paris Hilton has managed because (to some) high profile pretty and rich and oh right sextape so slut forever.

358
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 30, 2017 • 5:06:29pm

re: #349 The Vicious Babushka

Ford Focus is the #1 selling vehicle in the world, but not popular in the U.S. Americans like their F-150’s.

American men feel an overwhelming need to compensate for something.

359
Cheechako  Jun 30, 2017 • 5:06:36pm
360
The Vicious Babushka  Jun 30, 2017 • 5:07:01pm

re: #351 gocart mozart

The full official transcript is here: whitehouse.gov
While our POTUS is a joke, those words are real.

Trump doesn’t know what the word “infinity” means, other than it’s the name of a luxury car.

361
freetoken  Jun 30, 2017 • 5:07:15pm

This was a thing today:

Alex Jones Has A Perfectly Normal Chat About All The Slave Children Who Are Sent To Mars

This is the man who inspires the current White House.

362
Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2017 • 5:09:31pm

re: #352 wheat-dogg

I have friends in China who have Ford Foci. They are very nice cars, comfortable, economical and reliable.

I’m on my 3rd one!

363
HappyWarrior  Jun 30, 2017 • 5:09:34pm

re: #361 freetoken

This was a thing today:

Alex Jones Has A Perfectly Normal Chat About All The Slave Children Who Are Sent To Mars

This is the man who inspires the current White House.

CNN is fake news but this is fine.

364
Stanley Sea  Jun 30, 2017 • 5:10:53pm

re: #359 Cheechako

More fun news from Alaska:

No joke: A bear walks into a Juneau liquor store

Image: Screen-Shot-2017-06-30-at-4.21.12-PM.png

You weren’t here yesterday when I posted about the bear that busted into that kid’s room. !!!

365
gocart mozart  Jun 30, 2017 • 5:14:14pm

Buzz has a new Twitter follower

366
EPR-radar  Jun 30, 2017 • 5:14:35pm

re: #354 wheat-dogg

He is an idiot on so many levels, it defies description.

Fractal idiocy.

367
TedStriker  Jun 30, 2017 • 5:19:24pm

re: #337 wheat-dogg

I bet Buzz wishes he could punch The Donald in the face, and get away with it.

If anyone could punch Trump and get away with it, it’d be Aldrin.

368
Cheechako  Jun 30, 2017 • 5:25:59pm

re: #364 Stanley Sea

More bear news:

Man reportedly walks away unscathed after black bear attack along Juneau trail

There was another report of bear(s) activities at the Mendenhall Glacier Visitor Center.
At one location there was a sow with 4 cubs, another sow with 3 cubs, and yet two more sows with 2 cubs each. That’s 4 sows and 11 cubs in the same general area. There must be something in our water or fish that makes our bears very fertile.

369
petesh  Jun 30, 2017 • 5:45:00pm

re: #332 EPR-radar

So Paris Hilton is a competent member of the hereditary aristocracy presently forming in the US.

Uh, yes

370
sagehen  Jun 30, 2017 • 6:06:53pm

re: #364 Stanley Sea

You weren’t here yesterday when I posted about the bear that busted into that kid’s room. !!!

So you’re saying Betsy DeVos wants the lower 48 to design our schools as if they were all in Alaska…


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