Another Major Embarrassment for Trump: 44 States Have Refused Request for Voter Info

A nationwide “no way”
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We just need six more state governments to tell Donald Trump and his “voter fraud” henchman Kris Kobach to go jump in the Gulf of Mexico and it will be a clean sweep: 44 states have refused request for voter information.

Washington, DC (CNN) — Forty-four states have refused the Trump administration’s request for certain voter information, according to a CNN inquiry to all 50 states.

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As of Tuesday afternoon, two states — Florida and Nebraska — are still reviewing the commission’s request. Another two states — Hawaii and New Jersey — have not returned CNN’s request for comment. And while six states are still awaiting a letter from the commission, four of them — New Mexico, Michigan, South Carolina and West Virginia — have already pledged not to provide voters’ private information.

We actually have a presidential administration that’s creating commissions to investigate wholly imaginary conspiracy theories, as a pretext for instituting voter suppression laws.

It’s stunning that the Trump gang thought this ridiculously clumsy power grab was going to work without protest from all sides. The only cause for hope in the midst of the Trump Horror is that these malevolent clowns are so freaking incompetent.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:18:33pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:20:10pm

Good to know that Maryland is one of those 44 states.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:20:29pm

Even Texas.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:20:53pm
What, to the American slave, is your Fourth of July? I answer: A day that reveals to him, more than all other days in the year, the gross injustice and cruelty to which he is the constant victim. To him, your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless … your shouts of liberty and equality, hollow mockery … a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages.

James Earl Jones Reads Frederick Douglass

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:22:07pm

You knew this whole thing was torpedoed when Kobach REFUSED HIS OWN REQUEST.

What more proof do you need that it’s a sham?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:22:38pm

re: #3 Ace Rothstein

Even Texas.

And Mississippi.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:24:52pm

Gov Wolf responded with the voter rolls are open to the public and you can get a report for $20.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:30:23pm

White House says states are afraid voter fraud commission will show Trump won the popular vote
Clinton won 2.9 million more votes.

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Jay C  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:31:14pm

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

You knew this whole thing was torpedoed when Kobach REFUSED HIS OWN REQUEST.

What more proof do you need that it’s a sham?

Srsly: Kris Kobach is SoS of Kansas (and has made a sideline job of vote-suppression for years): and he didn’t know/forgot the rules of his own state regarding disseminating voter information??

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A Cranky One  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:34:23pm

Repost from the dead thread:

Happy 4th of July lizards!

On a less happy note, I just got off the phone with my sister, who informed me that her daughter, who lives and teaches in Japan, turned down several lucrative job offers here in the states due to fears about how she and her fiance (a lovely woman from Ireland) would be treated. My sister had been hoping to have them back in country where she could visit more often. But between fears about increasing hostility against LGBTQ folks and bigotry against people whose skin isn’t lily white and have the “wrong” ancestry (my sister’s husband, a naturalized citizen who was brought to the US from Iran when he was a toddler, gets regular death threats and is now afraid to travel), she decided to stay in Japan for another two years.

What a shame. My niece is fluent is six languages (Farsi, Spanish, Japanese, Russian, Chinese and of course English, hence the lucrative job offers) and is a lovely person, compassionate and loving. She was looking forward to being close to family again, but is just too scared to come home because of her dad’s recent experiences.

What is happening to this country? Sigh.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:34:29pm

Working over the holiday:

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Birth Control Works  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:38:09pm
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Ming5000  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:38:27pm

I could not find this in the news yet, but just saw this tweet:

”..As time went on it became an addiction to how far it could go.”

Maybe this guy has been slapped sensefull.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:40:37pm

re: #14 Ming5000

Too little and too late.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:41:12pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:41:16pm

Looks like Independence (from Trump bullshit) Day.

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Jay C  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:42:22pm

re: #14 Ming5000

I could not find this in the news yet, but just saw this tweet:

[Embedded content]

”..As time went on it became an addiction to how far it could go.”

Maybe this guy has been slapped sensefull.

I doubt it: sounds/reads more like something he had a lawyer write…

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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:42:33pm

Her salute is giving me all the feels!! Don’t think I’ve seen this shot.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:44:09pm

Can I say this with a clear conscience? Given current events I sure hope so. When the Federal government, Executive or legislative moves to take away our rights, that’s when states rights matter. (Insert your state) sovereignty. Maintain the ability to do the good thing. I acknowledge the states rights argument in terms of doing the wrong things.

I submit to you my friends this is a different day. Not for nothin’.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:45:20pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:46:18pm

The comments on this Tweet are PRICELESS

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Ming5000  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:48:04pm

re: #18 Jay C

hmmm… good point

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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:48:10pm

re: #22 The Vicious Babushka

Uhhh. As you should!!

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:48:31pm

re: #20 Unshaken Defiance

Personally I think Trump’s Cronies were trying to make him feel better by saying there was voter fraud and he got the most votes. The request has backfired. So far no one has given the “special committee” their request. They have been told off by almost every state in the USA.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:48:41pm

re: #24 JordanRules

Uhhh. As you should!!

It’s all fun and games until someone launches a nuke.

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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:53:11pm

re: #26 The Vicious Babushka

Replies to her tweet are golden!

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 2:55:58pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:00:16pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:00:20pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:00:26pm

re: #25 PhillyPretzel

Personally I think Trump’s Cronies were trying to make him feel better by saying there was voter fraud and he got the most votes. The request has backfired. So far no one has given the “special committee” their request. They have been told off by almost every state in the USA.

I would say so too. But of course it’s not just about the committee. It’s being more kind to immigrants or more strict about the environment or worker safety as we choose as states. I’d hate to see a state that requires a higher minimum wage than the federal one told it may not do so. Or have to roll back environmental protections to a shell of an EPA post Trump admin.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:03:04pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

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lawhawk  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:04:03pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:04:15pm
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freetoken  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:06:59pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Where’s Ivanka to jangle the keys?

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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:07:23pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

And his cult is totally good with this. SMH

Other videos show the same really bad signs.

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lawhawk  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:08:26pm

Missouri will make sure it isn’t a clean sweep.

The state where minority rights are under assault.
The state where they’re looking to roll back local minimum wage hikes because local control is a thing right up until it looks the GOP in the eye and says let’s go ahead and do something positive for minorities or the poor.

The state where they know that minorities are disproportionately pulled over by law enforcement, and know there’s a problem and yet they still wont prosecute, let alone convict cops who murder people they’ve pulled over.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:09:32pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:12:15pm
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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:12:18pm

re: #19 JordanRules

Wider photo of the saluting sweetie too!

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:12:49pm

It is a scary awareness that Trump and his gang of creeps, weirdos, and outright traitors seem to view typically dystopian works of fiction as not warning flags, but as encouragement and as a goals to achieve.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:13:10pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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And the New York Times is still obsessing over White voters while ignoring voters of color and liberal voters in general. I don’t recall this focus on Obama supporters after he won in 2008 and 2012.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:15:51pm

re: #42 Patricia Kayden

They are obsessing over this because this is how Trump’s Cronies give out those Press Passes. You publish the stuff we want you get your credentials; you don’t no credentials.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:16:17pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:17:01pm

re: #44 Birth Control Works

Cute violin.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:18:05pm
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Birth Control Works  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:18:25pm

re: #45 PhillyPretzel

Cute violin.

I save it for special occasions

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:18:51pm
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451_Montag  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:19:02pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

How the fuck do you miss the really big black limo right in front of you?

Gibber, gibber hatstand. (Bonus points for anyone who knows where that comes from)

Reminds me very much of my grandkids when the Altzheimers started. Seriously. Even down to the pretending all was well. She knew something was wrong, but not willing to accept it.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:20:04pm

Honestly, I could care about Christie and the beach thing.

At least his kids got to go to the beach.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:20:38pm

Here is HanAssholeSolo in the privacy of his own home office.

South Park S20E02: Skanhunt_42 in action, trolls women

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451_Montag  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:20:39pm

re: #41 Rocky-in-Connecticut

It is a scary awareness that Trump and his gang of creeps, weirdos, and outright traitors seem to view typically dystopian works of fiction as not warning flags, but as encouragement and as a goals to achieve.

They’re “aspirational” documentaries to them.

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stpaulbear  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:22:17pm

re: #37 lawhawk

Missouri will make sure it isn’t a clean sweep.

The state where minority rights are under assault.
The state where they’re looking to roll back local minimum wage hikes because local control is a thing right up until it looks the GOP in the eye and says let’s go ahead and do something positive for minorities or the poor.

The state where they know that minorities are disproportionately pulled over by law enforcement, and know there’s a problem and yet they still wont prosecute, let alone convict cops who murder people they’ve pulled over.

And then they’ll be shocked when all of their voter information becomes public due to intentionally unsecured storage.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:22:55pm

re: #41 Rocky-in-Connecticut

It is a scary awareness that Trump and his gang of creeps, weirdos, and outright traitors seem to view typically dystopian works of fiction as not warning flags, but as encouragement and as a goals to achieve.

Which scary dystopia are we talking about? The Handmaid’a Tale, 1984, Mad Max, or A Clockwork Orange?

ALL OF THEM AT ONCE KATIE!

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Birth Control Works  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:23:31pm

dinner!

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:24:35pm

re: #36 JordanRules

And his cult is totally good with this. SMH

Other videos show the same really bad signs.

Like the one with Bibi where he just wanders off when they were supposed to do a g&g photo op.

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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:24:55pm

re: #50 Birth Control Works

His kids are not deprived of the beach or likely much else. It was foul.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:25:20pm

That HanAssholesolo guy probably got sick of the media scrutiny and figured if he apologized they would leave him alone.

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Skip Intro  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:26:07pm

re: #22 The Vicious Babushka

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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:26:18pm

re: #57 Ace Rothstein

Yes!! There’s another WTF one at an EO signing too.

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BeachDem  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:26:31pm

re: #22 The Vicious Babushka

The comments on this Tweet are PRICELESS

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My favorite.

Kinda glad the rest of the country/world is getting to see what a worthless pos Nikki is. I really come close to puking when I read accolades about her.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:27:22pm

re: #36 JordanRules

Or the signing ceremony where he just walks out of the room and Pence has to chase him down and remind him he’s there to sign something.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:28:23pm
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Skip Intro  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:29:17pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Couldn’t they park the limo any closer to his jet? How does he ever find his golf ball?

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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:29:34pm

re: #63 Ace Rothstein

That’s the one!

We’re 5 months in. Stressors will keep multiplying.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:31:54pm

re: #66 JordanRules

cnn.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:32:24pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:32:37pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Nice to see that he got back to the limo before Melania finished walking down the stairs from the plane.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:36:56pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:37:07pm

re: #68 The Vicious Babushka

OFFS

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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:37:30pm

re: #68 The Vicious Babushka

Jaysus!!!!

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:39:24pm

You know, the couple images that were floating about the other day, of Pres* Trump wandering around, were bad.
Now, the video puts a whole new light on how unbelievably bad it really was.

On the plus side. I’m happy to see that it looks like the Secret Service & Air Force opted for one of the smaller aircraft to whisk his Orangeness about…

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:41:29pm

re: #70 The Vicious Babushka

Someone needs to tell Junior that big government created the bankruptcy laws that his daddy got to use four times.

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lawhawk  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:41:58pm

re: #74 Ace Rothstein

I would, but the fucker blocked me…

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:43:26pm

re: #75 lawhawk

I would, but the fucker blocked me…

Congratulations!

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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:45:45pm

re: #75 lawhawk

Well now you are full on playing block bingo! Get the rest of the fraudulent fam and some other members of the corrupt regime to block and you win!!!!

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ObserverArt  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:47:11pm

re: #40 JordanRules

Wider photo of the saluting sweetie too!

[Embedded content]

The little girl in the red print dress and pink shoes is so seriously getting into it with the President. She has her hands and fingers like: “first thing you do is get equal pay for girls, and then…” And he’s listening to her intently.

He was/is so good with kids. He inspired a lot of them.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:53:18pm
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ObserverArt  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:53:46pm

re: #65 Skip Intro

Couldn’t they park the limo any closer to his jet? How does he ever find his golf ball?

He just places a new ball wherever he wants. Doesn’t take a stroke or anything. Play on.

He’s President, he can do anything.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:55:18pm

re: #80 ObserverArt

He just places a new ball wherever he wants. Doesn’t take a stroke or anything. Play on.

He’s President, he can do anything.

Like drive your golf cart on the green!

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ozharas  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:55:52pm

re: #70 The Vicious Babushka

Another Trump who can’t spell/doesn’t take 2 mins to actually think before posting.

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mmmirele  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:56:40pm

Man, Nikki’s a whiner.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 4, 2017 • 3:57:39pm
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Cheechako  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:00:16pm

re: #80 ObserverArt

He just places a new ball wherever he wants. Doesn’t take a stroke or anything. Play on.

He’s President, he can do anything.

Notice we never hear about his score. Of course, we wouldn’t believe it.

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freetoken  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:00:54pm

re: #68 The Vicious Babushka

Well, I don’t know the teacher and whether they were just being a dick or not. But I think it is wrong to simply assume that Thomas Jefferson raped Sally Hemmings, unless you want to believe that all sex is rape.

More fundamental in this case is the privileged male having a mistress. This would not be unusual, and more the case in 18th century for the elite, than rape. Now, I think it is right to point out that the male-mistress relationship is so one-sided in power that we can argue that it is immoral.

I’m not claiming that TJ didn’t rape his slaves, but if one is going to assert anything like that I too would ask for proof. As I would for any historical claim.

Even though it is undoubtedly true that many slave owners raped their slaves, not all of them did. In the case of TJ, I think the more interesting historical question to ask is whether Sally Hemmings started out a slave but ended up as a mistress.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:01:00pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:01:05pm

The NRA is now openly trying to get Deray McKesson killed.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:02:04pm

re: #85 Cheechako

Notice we never hear about his score. Of course, we wouldn’t believe it.

He shoots an 18 every round.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:03:14pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

The NRA is now openly trying to get Deray McKesson killed.

[Embedded content]

So NRA shitbags notice you never called out Cliven Bundy. Oh wait, he was white like your pasty, racist fat asses.

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austin_blue  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:04:52pm

re: #73 FormerDirtDart

You know, the couple images that were floating about the other day, of Pres* Trump wandering around, were bad.
Now, the video puts a whole new light on how unbelievably bad it really was.

[Embedded content]

On the plus side. I’m happy to see that it looks like the Secret Service & Air Force opted for one of the smaller aircraft to whisk his Orangeness about…

I’m sure he complained about it. Half of the cubic feet on that 757 are probably used to store comm gear. No gold in the loos, either.

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Skip Intro  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:05:12pm

re: #89 Ace Rothstein

He shoots an 18 every round.

Except when he gets a hole in one. He marks that a zero.

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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:05:55pm

re: #86 freetoken

Slaves are not mistresses. They can’t consent. She was also 14.

Her children become assets on his books. He can get better loans from raping his human property.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:06:10pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

So NRA shitbags notice you never called out Cliven Bundy. Oh wait, he was white like your pasty, racist fat asses.

I reported that tweet for targeted harassment.

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Jay C  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:07:39pm

re: #89 Ace Rothstein

He shoots an 18 every round hole.

More likely.

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freetoken  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:10:28pm

re: #93 JordanRules

There has been very much written about TJ, Sally Hemmings, all the evidence, etc.

I think it is appropriate for a teacher to ask a student to cite sources for any claim.

FWIW, age 14 was old enough for females, even white females, to be married off in many cultures.

I’m not saying it is right. I think it is wrong.

What I am saying is that when we are going to write about the past we need to cite evidence, then evaluate it in a context that includes the period as well as our own beliefs.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:11:54pm

re: #86 freetoken

Well, I don’t know the teacher and whether they were just being a dick or not. But I think it is wrong to simply assume that Thomas Jefferson raped Sally Hemmings, unless you want to believe that all sex is rape.

More fundamental in this case is the privileged male having a mistress. This would not be unusual, and more the case in 18th century for the elite, than rape. Now, I think it is right to point out that the male-mistress relationship is so one-sided in power that we can argue that it is immoral.

I’m not claiming that TJ didn’t rape his slaves, but if one is going to assert anything like that I too would ask for proof. As I would for any historical claim.

Even though it is undoubtedly true that many slave owners raped their slaves, not all of them did. In the case of TJ, I think the more interesting historical question to ask is whether Sally Hemmings started out a slave but ended up as a mistress.

You’re really missing the fundamentals here in a big way. Slaves cannot, by definition, ever consent to their Masters. Children cannot consent, period. Nominally free women whose children’s potential freedom from slavery is being used to coerce them to return to a state of bondage (Hemmings in Paris, being coerced by TJ to return to VA) cannot meaningfully consent. She was his slave and he serially raped her through most of her life, end of story.

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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:12:49pm

re: #96 freetoken

I think the way chattel slavery worked in America at that time is fact and from that point my previous comment springs.

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freetoken  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:13:16pm

re: #97 goddamnedfrank

You’re really missing the fundamentals here in a big way.

No, I’m not. I’m taking the image in the tweet at face value.

On the essay the teacher is asking the student for proof. I’m saying that is the proper thing for a teacher to ask of a student.

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The Spite House  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:14:24pm

re: #86 freetoken

Well, I don’t know the teacher and whether they were just being a dick or not. But I think it is wrong to simply assume that Thomas Jefferson raped Sally Hemmings, unless you want to believe that all sex is rape.

More fundamental in this case is the privileged male having a mistress. This would not be unusual, and more the case in 18th century for the elite, than rape. Now, I think it is right to point out that the male-mistress relationship is so one-sided in power that we can argue that it is immoral.

I’m not claiming that TJ didn’t rape his slaves, but if one is going to assert anything like that I too would ask for proof. As I would for any historical claim.

Even though it is undoubtedly true that many slave owners raped their slaves, not all of them did. In the case of TJ, I think the more interesting historical question to ask is whether Sally Hemmings started out a slave but ended up as a mistress.

Is one party incapable of giving legal consent? If no, then rape.

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freetoken  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:15:17pm

re: #100 The Spite House

Is one party incapable of giving legal consent? If no, then rape.

Is this not a feminist argument against many marriages in history?

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freetoken  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:15:43pm

We have to be careful of trying to read into the teacher’s comments something that may not be there.

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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:15:47pm

re: #99 freetoken

Proof that a master raped his slave?

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:16:41pm

re: #99 freetoken

As an English major I had to provide proof in a works cited page or bibliography. Just from that small picture that someone tweeted I cannot tell if there is such a page.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:17:04pm

re: #100 The Spite House

Is one party incapable of giving legal consent? If no, then rape.

That’s not what freetoken is arguing. “Self evident” is not what a teacher should assume in a paper. There is this caveat-

I’m not claiming that TJ didn’t rape his slaves

which I take at face value.

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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:17:28pm

re: #101 freetoken

This is not the dynamic of the uniquely American institution of chattel slavery though.

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Cheechako  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:17:47pm

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lawhawk  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:18:04pm

re: #79 FormerDirtDart

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:20:19pm

re: #99 freetoken

No, I’m not. I’m taking the image in the tweet at face value.

On the essay the teacher is asking the student for proof. I’m saying that is the proper thing for a teacher to ask of a student.

The teacher was being pedantic but that’s not what I’m talking about. When you entertain the idea that Hemmings could have ever become Jefferson’s mistress you’re entertaining the idea that rape isn’t rape. As long as he drew breath he acted like she was his property, even going so far as to threaten her kids’ futures to get her to return from Paris and the nominal legal freedom she had there.

The teacher should’ve simply said “cite your sources to make your essay stronger” instead of implying that the claim was unproven without them.

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The Spite House  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:21:30pm

re: #105 Unshaken Defiance

That’s not what freetoken is arguing. “Self evident” is not what a teacher should assume in a paper. There is this caveat-

which I take at face value.

I mean, the proof is right there. No one contends that she was his slave. If he was asking for the reason the word rape was being used I’d understand, but that sentence suggests to me that his definition of rape is very narrow and that Hemming wanting it would be enough to make it consensual.

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austin_blue  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:21:33pm

re: #96 freetoken

There has been very much written about TJ, Sally Hemmings, all the evidence, etc.

I think it is appropriate for a teacher to ask a student to cite sources for any claim.

FWIW, age 14 was old enough for females, even white females, to be married off in many cultures.

I’m not saying it is right. I think it is wrong.

What I am saying is that when we are going to write about the past we need to cite evidence, then evaluate it in a context that includes the period as well as our own beliefs.

With great trepidation I’m agreeing with you. It could be that she was madly in love with him and he with her.

Or it could be that he used his position of power to abuse an adolescent child.

We simply cannot know. The mores of the past cannot be viewed today with any real balance based on what are today’s mores. Was Mohammed a rapist? Was Brigham Young? Was Romeo? Does this make Islam, Mormonism, and Shakespeare illegitimate?

From the modern perspective, the easy answer is “Of course they were!”

But in that time and place, that was just normal.

Yet, because of its sensitivity, I am uncomfortable making this argument, although I still think it is probably correct.

I’ll duck, now. Please use composted manure, not fresh road apples.

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The Spite House  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:22:11pm

re: #109 goddamnedfrank

The teacher should’ve simply said “cite your sources to make your essay stronger” instead of implying that the claim was unproven without them.

nods

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scottslemmons  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:22:26pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

The NRA is now openly trying to get Deray McKesson killed.

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What I wouldn’t give for someone to sneak a recording device into the next NRA board meeting.

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jeffreyw  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:22:28pm

Imgur
Got bone?

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BeachDem  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:22:34pm

re: #79 FormerDirtDart

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I vote for that poster to win Worst Typeface Ever. (At first, I thought the M in Michelle Fiore’s name, the first M name listed, was boobs.)

Also, I would pay money to NOT have to attend. It sounds almost as horrible as when the Three Joe’s (sic) were a thing.

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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:23:08pm

re: #105 Unshaken Defiance

You could make that ‘self-evident’ argument about every word in any paper. Are the basic facts and workings of slavery here still up for argument despite all evidence to the contrary? If it is, it’s another damn consequence of the institution and ideology it’s built on.

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sagehen  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:23:09pm

re: #74 Ace Rothstein

Someone needs to tell Junior that big government created the bankruptcy laws that his daddy got to use four times.

Big government also paid the construction costs for the apartment buildings that made grandpa rich, the apartment buildings that were donald’s inheritance.

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jaunte  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:23:29pm

re: #114 jeffreyw

Almost identical with my dog asking for steak scraps yesterday.

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lawhawk  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:25:02pm

Just saw that video of Trump at the airport and walking around not realizing he was to get into the Beast that was parked directly in front of the staircase.

It’s even worse than the photos suggest. Where to even begin…

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jaunte  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:25:11pm

re: #115 BeachDem

That shot of Arpaio has to be 20 years out of date.

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sagehen  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:25:19pm

re: #84 goddamnedfrank

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She was also his sister-in-law, she became his property as a wedding present from the father-in-law who’d raped *her* mother.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:26:11pm

re: #119 lawhawk

Just saw that video of Trump at the airport and walking around not realizing he was to get into the Beast that was parked directly in front of the staircase.

It’s even worse than the photos suggest. Where to even begin…

The spin is already in motion. “No one was there to open the door for him.”

So he wanders off thirty yards.

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BeachDem  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:26:35pm

re: #83 mmmirele

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:27:40pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:28:19pm
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jaunte  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:28:53pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:30:30pm

re: #109 goddamnedfrank

The teacher should’ve simply said “cite your sources to make your essay stronger” instead of implying that the claim was unproven without them.

This is especially important because we’re presumably talking about a teacher’s approach to a writing assignment. The words you use to convey your point matter, enormously, and if you’re ever going to get your students to absorb that concept you need to demonstrate it via how you write. Reductive criticism like this that doesn’t take into account the seriousness of the subject matter and how the student clearly feels about it is going to hurt more than it helps.

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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:30:40pm

re: #120 jaunte

Very much so! I remember that pic from when I was a lot younger. He was a fascist menace then too.

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teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:36:12pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:36:46pm

re: #70 The Vicious Babushka

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Donald Jr is a bigger ass than his father

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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:37:11pm

re: #111 austin_blue

Take the age thing away and he still owned her. She wasn’t legally a full person so possibly being in love with him (and what does that even mean when it’s the person responsible for you and your family’s ability to breathe) just doesn’t mean the same thing here IMO.

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jaunte  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:37:41pm

re: #130 I Would Prefer Not To

He grew up with even less available Self.

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BeachDem  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:39:27pm

re: #118 jaunte

Almost identical with my dog asking for steak scraps yesterday.

Well, now that you mention it…But he was one of America’s most influential and conservative “Joe’s” (sic)

edit—And my reply makes no sense because I meant to reply to 120 about Baby Joe Arpaio’s picture. Sigh—I need a drink.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:40:47pm

re: #131 JordanRules

Take the age thing away and he still owned her. She wasn’t legally a full person so possibly being in love him (and what does that even mean when it’s the person responsible for you and your family’s ability to breathe) just doesn’t mean the same thing here IMO.

Since the essence of American slavery was that a slave could not ever* withhold consent, it is impossible that a slave could ever give consent. Suck it up, TJ.

*There might have been some minor exceptions in the convoluted laws of the dozen or so slaveholding states.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:46:42pm

Hope you’re all having a fun Day Before The 5th of July Day!

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Mattand  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:47:19pm

re: #50 Birth Control Works

Honestly, I could care about Christie and the beach thing.

At least his kids got to go to the beach.

Sorry, but as a NJ resident who’s been living under this idiot for 8 years, fuck that noise.

Christie basically fucking derailed a budget negotiation that, for once, was going smoothly, mainly because he wanted to raid what is basically a state charity.

He then sits himself and his family on a beach that was closed to people like me, a fucking TAX PAYING CONSTITUENT WHO PAYS HIS SALARY, knowing full well that he’d be caught doing this.

The man had posters blaming the Democrat who stood up to him, and then ordered those posters plastered at state parks and beaches. Most likely with MY TAXES.

So, yeah, I absolutely care. It’s basically a “Fuck you, it’s good to be the king”. And quite frankly, the only reason you don’t care is because it wasn’t your governor doing something so ignorant that a 12 year old would be embarrassed by it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:47:45pm

good grief, he is beyond stupid.

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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:48:38pm

Squee times one billion!
Great helper pupper!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:49:22pm

re: #136 Mattand

And, as I understand it, at a beach house that is owned and maintained by the taxpayers of NJ.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:51:28pm

welp…

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teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:51:42pm

Yeah, it’s just trolling.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:52:20pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief, he is beyond stupid.

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The other day he said the national debt was caused by the trade deficit.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:52:40pm

re: #138 JordanRules

Might I suggest some theme music? ;-)

Herb Alpert & the Tijuana Brass - Spanish Flea

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:53:32pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:54:56pm
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De Kolta Chair  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:55:45pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

welp…

Judging by that photo, he and Trump have a lot in common vis-à-vis interior decor.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:55:50pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief, he is beyond stupid.

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Gas is around $2.29/gal here. It was less than $2 in 2013.

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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:56:15pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

Alrighty then.
I mean, we know he wouldn’t appreciate those insane tweets so now he gets to let his insane flag fly too.
Fuck.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:57:27pm

re: #148 JordanRules

Alrighty then.
I mean, we know he wouldn’t appreciate those insane tweets so now he gets to let his insane flag fly too.
Fuck.

Look, we’ve set some pretty low standards for starting wars, but “WWIII started when the President of the United States and the dictatorial ruler of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea got into a shouting match on Twitter” really just makes us all look like fucking morons.

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stpaulbear  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:57:28pm

re: #138 JordanRules

Squee times one billion!
Great helper pupper!

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A coworker of mine would go out for bike rides with his young son behind him in a child seat. When he’d be riding up hills, he would tell his son that he was having trouble making it to the top of the hill and would ask the son to help push him to the top. The kid would push on dad as hard as he could to help get them to the top of the hill. He was a great guy.

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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:57:45pm

re: #143 De Kolta Chair

Oh man! That was agreat share!

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Decatur Deb  Jul 4, 2017 • 4:58:27pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

welp…

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en.wikipedia.org

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:00:17pm

re: #151 JordanRules

\(^o^)/

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Mattand  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:00:27pm

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

To tie it back into the OP: NJ still hasn’t said how it will answer Kobach’s witch hunt. You just know Christie is going to give Trump everything he wants in yet another attempt to curry favor like a beaten dog.

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lawhawk  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:01:49pm
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sagehen  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:02:21pm

TCM (turner classic movies) starting now: Yankee Doodle Dandy (George M Cohan biopic).

Then, 1776 (William Daniels is John Adams, Ben Franklin wants the turkey instead of the eagle to be our bird, etc. Some good songs.)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:02:22pm

re: #154 Mattand

To tie it back into the OP: NJ still hasn’t said how it will answer Kobach’s witch hunt. You just know Christie is going to give Trump everything he wants in yet another attempt to curry favor like a beaten dog.

Christie can say whatever the hell he wants, the question is if the people under him have spines or if they’re just hired lackeys.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:02:36pm
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stpaulbear  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:04:59pm

re: #147 The Vicious Babushka

Gas is around $2.29/gal here. It was less than $2 in 2013.

That, plus Trump probably hasn’t bought gas in 20 years. He has people to do that before they pick him up. He’d probably get pissed and yell at the driver if they had to stop for a fill-up. He doesn’t know any more about the price of gas than he does the price of groceries.

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calochortus  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:08:08pm

re: #62 BeachDem

My favorite.

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Kinda glad the rest of the country/world is getting to see what a worthless pos Nikki is. I really come close to puking when I read accolades about her.

Imagine the horror of working on the 4th. I was just chatting with my-daughter-the-pediatrician who was about to head to work, herself. I don’t think she found it necessary to tweet about it.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:08:58pm

re: #155 lawhawk

The American press has done a crummy job reporting on Putin’s serious attempt to create a conservative Pan-Slav Russian “alternative” to the NATO partnership, which many American conservatives are very supportive of.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:09:19pm

re: #70 The Vicious Babushka

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:12:01pm

re: #162 Ace-o-aces

Or as I said in my movie, he couldn’t get a job shoveling mule shit.

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Jay C  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:12:02pm

re: #162 Ace-o-aces

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Is “manger” a typo, a Freudian slip, or an “I see what you did there”…..??

😜

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Weaselone  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:12:49pm

re: #96 freetoken

There has been very much written about TJ, Sally Hemmings, all the evidence, etc.

I think it is appropriate for a teacher to ask a student to cite sources for any claim.

FWIW, age 14 was old enough for females, even white females, to be married off in many cultures.

I’m not saying it is right. I think it is wrong.

What I am saying is that when we are going to write about the past we need to cite evidence, then evaluate it in a context that includes the period as well as our own beliefs.

Does the student also need to cite sources for the following claims?

1. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941
2. Lincoln was assassinated by John Wilkes Booth
3. Barack Obama was elected the 45th President of the United States
4. Will Chamberlain kicked rebel ass

Hennings was 14 years old and a slave when Jefferson first sexually violated her. That Jefferson was also a prodigious slut doesn’t do anything to mitigate that. He raped her. That society was OK with that at the time just underscores how twisted and degraded US society was by misogyny and slavery.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:13:04pm

I wonder if Junior and Fredo think their tweets are good for the family business.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:14:54pm

re: #162 Ace-o-aces

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sagehen  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:16:45pm

re: #165 Weaselone

Does the student also need to cite sources for the following claims?

1. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941
2. Lincoln was assassinated by John Wilkes Booth
3. Barack Obama was elected the 45th 44th President of the United States
4. Will Chamberlain kicked rebel ass

.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:17:33pm

re: #165 Weaselone

Does the student also need to cite sources for the following claims?

1. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941
2. Lincoln was assassinated by John Wilkes Booth
3. Barack Obama was elected the 45th President of the United States [citation needed] Did you mean 44?
4. Will Chamberlain kicked rebel ass [citation needed] Did you mean Joshua Chamberlain?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:19:40pm

Heh.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:22:14pm

re: #165 Weaselone

Does the student also need to cite sources for the following claims?

1. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941
2. Lincoln was assassinated by John Wilkes Booth
3. Barack Obama was elected the 45th President of the United States
4. Will Chamberlain kicked rebel ass

Hennings was 14 years old and a slave when Jefferson first sexually violated her. That Jefferson was also a prodigious slut doesn’t do anything to mitigate that. He raped her. That society was OK with that at the time just underscores how twisted and degraded US society was by misogyny and slavery.

If I were the teacher I wouldn’t ask for proof. I’d ask for qualification about the established practice of sexual assault in the master-slave relationship, asking the student to note the extreme likelihood.

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sagehen  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:22:47pm

BTW, Jay-Z’s newest album 4:44…. he claims the title track (an apology to Beyonce for the events addressed in her “Lemonade”)…

He claims the title is “4:44 was written when Jay-Z woke up one morning at 4:44 AM, and recorded at Jay-Z’s house using Beyoncé’s mic.”

But I don’t believe that story. I think its “for Barak, sorry I set a bad example of black husband/father behavior, after you were such a great public role model…”

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ObserverArt  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:22:48pm

re: #159 stpaulbear

That, plus Trump probably hasn’t bought gas in 20 years. He has people to do that before they pick him up. He’d probably get pissed and yell at the driver if they had to stop for a fill-up. He doesn’t know any more about the price of gas than he does the price of groceries.

I bet he knows the price of a Big Mac Meal or 12 Piece Bucket of KFC Chicken.

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BeachDem  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:23:12pm

re: #160 calochortus

Imagine the horror of working on the 4th. I was just chatting with my-daughter-the-pediatrician who was about to head to work, herself. I don’t think she found it necessary to tweet about it.

She probably didn’t blame North Korea either.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:23:19pm

Be back in a few — forgot to buy my annual patriotic Hershey bar. For king and country!

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:24:17pm

re: #173 ObserverArt

I bet he knows the price of a Big Mac Meal or 12 Piece Bucket of KFC Chicken.

Or a gallon of Blue Bell ice cream.

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scottslemmons  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:26:06pm

re: #173 ObserverArt

I bet he knows the price of a Big Mac Meal or 12 Piece Bucket of KFC Chicken.

I bet he doesn’t. He has minions buy those for him, and then he never pays them back.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:27:46pm

re: #177 scottslemmons

I bet he doesn’t. He has minions buy those for him, and then he never pays them back.

“I’ll get you next time.”

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Weaselone  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:30:53pm

re: #168 sagehen

Thanks and also to The Vicious Babushka below. I was getting so frustrated with the locking and freezing I was experience while typing, I posted without verifying what I finally managed to type actually made any sense.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:33:23pm

When BLOTUS was in Europe and the real leaders were walking in the street, he took a golf cart. Two weeks ago, he drove his golf cart on the green, and then stopped to say hello to some people that were videoing it and he sounded like he was out of breath. Today, for the third time (that we know of) he looked like he had no idea where he was. Seriously, there are issues.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:36:52pm

re: #173 ObserverArt

I bet he knows the price of a Big Mac Meal or 12 Piece Bucket of KFC Chicken.

probably not…
he has people just bring the crappy food to him for free.

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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:36:56pm

re: #172 sagehen

Who knows, but I prefer to let him center his family here and yes I believe their relationship with the Obama’s helped him deal with some shit.

There are many songs on the album that are dealing with things many black folks are really happy to hear about from him and yup I think BO is all up in the inspirational mix.

tidal.com “FOOTNOTES FOR “THE STORY OF O.J.”
BY JAY-Z”
The video here is great. Don’t need Tidal subscription to watch.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:40:00pm

This is pure bullshit. Most people on SNAP are children, disabled, & elderly.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:41:58pm

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

This is pure bullshit. Most people on SNAP are children, disabled, & elderly.

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IF A MAN DOES NOT WORK, HE SHALL NOT EAT. IT’S IN THE BIBLE SO FUCK YOU, LIBRULS!!!!!

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Weaselone  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:42:20pm

re: #171 Barefoot Grin

If I were the teacher I wouldn’t ask for proof. I’d ask for qualification about the established practice of sexual assault in the master-slave relationship, asking the student to note the extreme likelihood.

That’s not what the teacher requested or Freetoken suggested was necessary.

I’m also curious as to exactly what your are looking for here.

1. Are you asking the student to note that masters sexually assaulted and raped their female slaves all the time, so Jefferson was just being one of the guys?

or

2. Are you suggesting that the student provide evidence to show that slave owners often assaulted their slaves, then note some of the overwhelming evidence that Jefferson had sex with Hennessy and thereby conclude that it’s likely that their relationship was coerced?

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ObserverArt  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:44:15pm

re: #180 Ace Rothstein

When BLOTUS was in Europe and the real leaders were walking in the street, he took a golf cart. Two weeks ago, he drove his golf cart on the green, and then stopped to say hello to some people that were videoing it and he sounded like he was out of breath. Today, for the third time (that we know of) he looked like he had no idea where he was. Seriously, there are issues.

Just remembered. Wasn’t it right about this time of year when Hillary got sick in New York and then went and chilled out at Chelsia’s place? Oh the freakout that was.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:45:20pm

re: #186 ObserverArt

Yes, Hannity had “experts” on for a week.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:45:41pm

re: #184 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

IF A MAN DOES NOT WORK, HE SHALL NOT EAT. IT’S IN THE BIBLE SO FUCK YOU, LIBRULS!!!!!

Read the comments to that Fox article, and weep for humanity.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:46:39pm

re: #188 The Vicious Babushka

Read the comments to that Fox article, and weep for humanity.

No way am I reading the comments on anything. My blood pressure couldn’t take it, for one thing. For another thing, I have to make the rest of my handle of whiskey last until the weekend after next before I’m allowed to restock.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:47:42pm

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

This is pure bullshit. Most people on SNAP are children, disabled, & elderly.

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and then there are all those Walmart workers.

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Weaselone  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:50:09pm

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

This is pure bullshit. Most people on SNAP are children, disabled, & elderly.

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Yeah.
Step 1. Make work a requirement for people to receive food stamps
Step 2. Most people on food stamps either (a) can’t work or (b) can’t find a job
Step 3. All those people lose food stamps
Step 4. Claim great success at solving the food stamp problem, when all you’re actually doing is taking away aid from people who need it and creating an actual hunger problem.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:51:04pm

A Hershey bar and a pint of Guinness — what a country!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:53:07pm

re: #191 Weaselone

Yeah.
Step 1. Make work a requirement for people to receive food stamps
Step 2. Most people on food stamps either (a) can’t work or (b) can’t find a job
Step 3. All those people lose food stamps
Step 4. Claim great success at solving the food stamp problem, when all you’re actually doing is taking away aid from people who need it and creating an actual hunger problem.

Not to mention businesses (Walmart, Kroger, Safeway, Ralphs, Trader Joe, Whole Foods, Publix, Meijer, etc. etc. etc.) that accept food stamps lose revenue.

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Targetpractice  Jul 4, 2017 • 5:57:37pm

re: #191 Weaselone

Yeah.
Step 1. Make work a requirement for people to receive food stamps
Step 2. Most people on food stamps either (a) can’t work or (b) can’t find a job
Step 3. All those people lose food stamps
Step 4. Claim great success at solving the food stamp problem, when all you’re actually doing is taking away aid from people who need it and creating an actual hunger problem.

Feature, not a bug. The GOP define “success” by how many people have “choice,” so if they’re losing access to basic necessities (food, shelter, healthcare), you promote it as their “choosing” to go without those things because “freedom!!!”

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lawhawk  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:00:03pm

Lemme just drop this right here…. and I think he’s got a point:

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BeachDem  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:00:18pm

re: #180 Ace Rothstein

When BLOTUS was in Europe and the real leaders were walking in the street, he took a golf cart. Two weeks ago, he drove his golf cart on the green, and then stopped to say hello to some people that were videoing it and he sounded like he was out of breath. Today, for the third time (that we know of) he looked like he had no idea where he was. Seriously, there are issues.

There was also the time he walked out of one of his signing photo ops without signing the doc first; and the incident with Bibi where he wandered offstage and had to be called back. The man ain’t right.

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lawhawk  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:02:39pm
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Weaselone  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:02:50pm

re: #193 The Vicious Babushka

Not to mention businesses (Walmart, Kroger, Safeway, Ralphs, Trader Joe, Whole Foods, Publix, Meijer, etc. etc. etc.) that accept food stamps lose revenue.

Steps 1 thru 4 are deliberate and done with malice by the GOP. They never seem to consider ( or even get that there are) 2nd order and beyond impacts of their policies.

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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:04:12pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:06:03pm

re: #199 JordanRules

[Embedded content]

Here was my 4th of July Facebook post:

On this, the annual celebration of the Declaration of Independence, let us not forget what it is that truly made this country great: Compassion. We are tough when we need to be, we are strong when we should be, but it is the fact that we are a compassionate people that has made America what it is today. Never let politics, or personality, or the opinions of others stand in the way of being as generous and caring as you possibly can. Celebrate America’s birthday by doing the American thing and reaching out to help.

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teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:10:16pm

An obscene song about MURKA!!!

Happy 4th of July!

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MsJ  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:13:38pm

re: #193 The Vicious Babushka

Not to mention businesses (Walmart, Kroger, Safeway, Ralphs, Trader Joe, Whole Foods, Publix, Meijer, etc. etc. etc.) that accept food stamps lose revenue.

And crime goes up because people desperate to eat do desperate things.

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The Spite House  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:16:11pm

re: #202 MsJ

And crime goes up because people desperate to eat do desperate things.

But that’s okay because the private prison industry will be there for us!

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:16:14pm
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The Spite House  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:17:36pm

“I’m surrounded by assholes!”

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:17:59pm

Called it.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:18:43pm

re: #8 The Vicious Babushka

White House says states are afraid voter fraud commission will show Trump won the popular vote
Clinton won 2.9 million more votes.

I predicted they’d say that at a party the other night when I was drunk as a skunk. Imagine how farsighted I’d be sober?!

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Skip Intro  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:20:43pm

Let’s see. I’m logged in, I’ve paid my $60, but I’m seeing ads. kbb.com at the top, some random ad on the right, and the gawdawful Revcontent ad block below the story head. This is the first time I’ve logged in in weeks, so is this what everyone else sees?

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:21:31pm

re: #206 goddamnedfrank

Just saw the same tweet!

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teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:22:13pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:27:43pm

re: #208 Skip Intro

Let’s see. I’m logged in, I’ve paid my $60, but I’m seeing ads. kbb.com at the top, some random ad on the right, and the gawdawful Revcontent ad block below the story head. This is the first time I’ve logged in in weeks, so is this what everyone else sees?

For some reason I got a notice on June 26 that your subscription had been canceled. I’ll investigate.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:30:13pm
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TedStriker  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:30:50pm

re: #211 Charles Johnson

For some reason I got a notice on June 26 that your subscription had been canceled. I’ll investigate.

That’s one thing I do like about the recurring monthly sub through PayPal, even though I end up paying twice as much…I don’t have to worry about it (plus Charles gets more dough).

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Skip Intro  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:32:17pm

re: #211 Charles Johnson

I’m dropping my paypal account so I deleted all of my auto renewals. I should still be good through December.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:32:28pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:34:35pm

re: #212 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

There will still be consequences despite his “apology”. If anyone I knew in the real world turned out to be a racist on any social platform, they would be disappeared from my life. Bigotry isn’t cute. I hope he loses his job at the very least.

Ironic that being re-tweeted by his god has resulted in his outing.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:35:05pm

re: #214 Skip Intro

I’m dropping my paypal account so I deleted all of my auto renewals. I should still be good through December.

Oh, that explains it. Problem is, when you deleted all your auto-renewals, it sent a notification to our backend script that your subscription had been canceled, and it was automatically wiped from our database as a result.

I’ll manually turn it back on for the rest of the year.

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teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:35:53pm

My mother is a troll!

My mother has been a vegetarian for years. Sheesh!

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Skip Intro  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:36:42pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

Ok, thanks.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:40:17pm

Oh my. I went outside to see if I could see any fireworks from our locale (we live in a townhouse community tucked in a forest). Nothing above the trees. But for the first time since we relocated here from Kentucky five years ago I saw fireflies. In the woods amongst the trees. I’ve never seen this before here. Our yards in Kentucky and Indiana were alive with them, but it is a wonderful revelation tonight amidst the booming fireworks I can’t see.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:41:15pm

The old “My best friend is Black so I can’t be racist” defense:

When asked specifically about his other posts that consisted of racist, Islamophobic, and anti-Semitic language and imagery, he answered, “I love people of all races, creeds and origins. One of my best friends is a homosexual and one of my best friends is Jewish and one of my best friends is Muslim.”

cnn.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:41:27pm

Lumpy has discovered other heroes besides Trump in the annals of American history

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:43:05pm
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Skip Intro  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:44:18pm

re: #222 The Vicious Babushka

Is that a Bush painting?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:48:12pm

re: #224 Skip Intro

Is that a Bush painting?

It looks like a McNaughton, only less skills & talent.

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teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:48:16pm

There’s a wildfire burning about 20 miles from my twenty.

300 acres, no containment, no structures threatened.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:54:24pm

re: #226 teleskiguy

Bring on the water planes/helicopters and helljumpers. Hope everyone stays safe.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2017 • 6:58:16pm

re: #216 Patricia Kayden

There will still be consequences despite his “apology”. If anyone I knew in the real world turned out to be a racist on any social platform, they would be disappeared from my life. Bigotry isn’t cute. I hope he loses his job at the very least.

Ironic that being re-tweeted by his god has resulted in his outing.

And IIRC he was mighty proud and pleased that the yam tweeted his crappy thing, until he got found.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:02:04pm
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Dave In Austin  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:13:06pm

Shoot, I’ve had likes and retweets from Joan Walsh and Kathleen Parker this weekend.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:14:38pm
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The Major  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:17:11pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:17:22pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:17:25pm

To dox or not to dox…

What say you, Lizards?

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:20:13pm

re: #234 teleskiguy

To dox or not to dox…

[Embedded content]

What say you, Lizards?

I think this is a monstrously stupid point of view. CNN should have published his name right away. People like this don’t deserve to be able to hide behind anonymity.

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Skip Intro  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:21:01pm

re: #234 teleskiguy

So he gets a new twitter account and starts up again. Who’s going to be able to tell him apart from the other twitter racists?

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teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:21:58pm

@TEN_GOP has been suspended by Twitter.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:22:12pm

For what it’s worth, and it ain’t much, according to FiveThirtyEight, the fidget spinner fad is waning, if not kaput.

Long live the mood ring!

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teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:23:31pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:24:21pm

re: #239 teleskiguy

The happiest Independence Day I could ever celebrate is the day we are independent of that giant orange asshole.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:28:13pm

re: #236 Skip Intro

So he gets a new twitter account and starts up again. Who’s going to be able to tell him apart from the other twitter racists?

Well, if you see posts from LukeAssholeSkywalker anytime soon…

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:28:15pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:29:59pm

re: #242 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Because First Amendment rights, Charles, which - according to wingnuts - include the right to force other people to listen to whatever you want to say, on whatever platform you choose to say it, whenever you decide to say it. Unless it’s librul propaganda, that shit gets shut down immediately.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:30:07pm

re: #234 teleskiguy

To dox or not to dox…

[Embedded content]

What say you, Lizards?

CNN really fucked up by writing themselves even more into the story and by making it seem like revenge and coercion on their part. They didn’t demand the apology but once it was given in response to their inquiries the worst thing they could do was act like it somehow influenced their journalism.

Kaczynski should have quietly shopped his information to another unaffiliated news outlet on background and let them run with it.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:31:58pm

re: #239 teleskiguy

Shades of Brig. Gen. Anthony McAuliffe’s legendary response to the Germans, “Nuts!”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:34:30pm

re: #245 De Kolta Chair

Shades of Brig. Gen. McAuliffe’s legendary response to the Germans, “Nuts!”

Which then had to be explained to said Nazis, because the idiom did not translate into German at all.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:34:54pm

re: #244 goddamnedfrank

Agree. Really stupid way to handle it. Just publish the guy’s name. Don’t play these idiotic games and give the right wing something to scream about. Have some goddamn balls, CNN.

I know, that’s a futile request.

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teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:37:41pm

The moment “HanAssholeSolo’s” vicious CNN meme was tweeted by the President of the United States is the moment that miserable sociopath became a public figure.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:39:19pm

re: #234 teleskiguy

To dox or not to dox…

[Embedded content]

What say you, Lizards?

Why isn’t it up to CNN to make that decision? If he reverts to form and publishes bigoted nonsense in public social platforms again, CNN has the right to reveal his identity. They have no reason to protect him from the consequences of his own words.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:40:05pm
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De Kolta Chair  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:41:30pm

re: #246 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Which then had to be explained to said Nazis, because the idiom did not translate into German at all.

Recreated loosely but very nicely in William Wellman’s excellent film Battleground (1949). The smoke rings blown by the GI’s in the Nazi’s faces are a nice touch.

Battleground (1949) German’s Negotiate the 101 Surrender

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:42:43pm

re: #222 The Vicious Babushka

Hannity championed and defended George Zimmerman so his definition of great Americans is highly suspect in my opinion.

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Skip Intro  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:42:51pm

re: #241 Eclectic Cyborg

Well, if you see posts from LukeAssholeSkywalker anytime soon…

He could always go back to using Donald Trump Jr.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:47:02pm

re: #247 Charles Johnson

Agree. Really stupid way to handle it. Just publish the guy’s name. Don’t play these idiotic games and give the right wing something to scream about. Have some goddamn balls, CNN.

I know, that’s a futile request.

Either that or like I said hand the story off and essentially recuse themselves from covering the story. Post Gawker they probably couldn’t have guaranteed the name got out but by picking the right outlet they could’ve steered the outcome in that direction while keeping their fingerprints off the release. It’s kind of a dirty strategy but it’s time they realize they’re in a dirty war.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:49:24pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:52:39pm

re: #255 goddamnedfrank

One of my friends sent me this. I admire the cop’s restraint, to be honest. I think I would’ve tried to tip the damn thing over.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:53:21pm

The Comments! The Comments!

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:53:46pm

Here we go again.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:54:47pm

re: #256 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

If Steve was black, they would have send 100 cops and APVs.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:54:50pm

re: #247 Charles Johnson

Agree. Really stupid way to handle it. Just publish the guy’s name. Don’t play these idiotic games and give the right wing something to scream about. Have some goddamn balls, CNN.

I know, that’s a futile request.

Long fall from the days of Bernard Shaw in Iraq sitting ringside to the opening of the war.

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Cheechako  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:55:01pm

re: #255 goddamnedfrank

I’d like to see “The Rest Of the Story”.

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Citizen K  Jul 4, 2017 • 7:55:54pm

I haven’t felt the American Spirit at all this 4th.

All I feel like doing is mourning America instead and wanting to give a gigantic middle finger to every single motherfucker who made it this way.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:00:29pm
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scottslemmons  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:00:42pm

re: #262 Citizen K

I haven’t felt the American Spirit at all this 4th.

All I feel like doing is mourning America instead and wanting to give a gigantic middle finger to every single motherfucker who made it this way.

Yeah, ain’t felt the spirit. It’s like drinking champagne at a funeral. It ain’t a happy occasion anymore — it’s a time to mourn what’s been lost.

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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:01:56pm

re: #262 Citizen K

2 middle fingers from me! ;)

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jaunte  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:02:37pm

re: #247 Charles Johnson

Agree. Really stupid way to handle it. Just publish the guy’s name. Don’t play these idiotic games and give the right wing something to scream about. Have some goddamn balls, CNN.

I know, that’s a futile request.

If he publishes incitement against journalists under a different anonymous account, how could CNN have any effect on his behavior?

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teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:02:56pm

You know what? Fuck all y’all and your defeatist attitudes. Fucking participate in the process, get out of the country, or kill yourself. Those are the options.

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teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:05:35pm

re: #267 teleskiguy

This sounds harsh, it is. I’m tired of this white flag bullshit I see all the time here. See the goddamn forest for the trees for fucks sake, Fuckface Von Clownstick has been president for 166 days.

Goddamn it!

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:06:52pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:07:36pm

re: #268 teleskiguy

Don’t confuse reduced enthusiasm for this particular 4th or protests like my inverted flags with surrender.

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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:07:53pm

The Rock/Pitbull 2020!!
Teeheehee!

Lots of civic involvement on the HWF these days.

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TedStriker  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:08:10pm

re: #267 teleskiguy

That’s a bit fucking harsh, man, especially when you’re saying it to people who are supposedly friends (well, as much as people can be over the Internet).

However, I do agree that defeatist attitudes are counter-productive and tend to create self-fulfilling prophecies; staying optimistic, especially in the Age of Trump, is fucking hard, but we have to do it as best we can, or we lose much, much more than we have already to this point.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:08:17pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:10:05pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:11:38pm
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jaunte  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:12:01pm
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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:12:18pm

re: #272 TedStriker

This place has great balance compared to a lot of other blogs I visit. Defeatism is something we flirt with here (cause human and stuff) but I don’t see many real dates and long term relationships.

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teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:12:55pm

re: #272 TedStriker

That’s a bit fucking harsh, man, especially when you’re saying it to people who are supposedly friends.

To be honest, there’s definitely a handful of people here that I don’t consider friends at all. And I stand by what I said. If all is truly lost, there’s options for exit.

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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:14:42pm

Ugggh

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Mattand  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:14:56pm

re: #275 Charles Johnson

I’ll be the first to admit that I’ve had my share of misunderstandings about what the 1st Amendment does and doesn’t cover, particularly the whole “it only protects you from the government” angle.

That said, unlike Alex, I actually educated myself.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:15:25pm
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Mattand  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:18:27pm

re: #279 JordanRules

The key phrase here is “He (Milo) says…”.

As in “Milo can say whatever the fuck he wants, the odds are good that he’s either lying about the numbers or fudging the truth.”

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:19:46pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:20:07pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:22:39pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:27:02pm

re: #285 goddamnedfrank

This guy is the type of jerk I’ve seen so many times on the Internet. He made a stupid comment, wouldn’t back down, spewed a bunch of non sequitur bullshit, then declared victory. Tedious as hell.

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Mattand  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:27:13pm

re: #284 FormerDirtDart

I’d take this shit more seriously from “moderate” Republicans if I knew that they actually put country before party and voted for Clinton.

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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:27:17pm

re: #285 goddamnedfrank

Wooooooo!!! So on point.

Pedant and it’s related words are my favorite!!!!!!

That teacher….with the ‘prove the master raped the slave’ bullshit was just flexing the pedant muscles sooooo damn hard.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:27:42pm

re: #284 FormerDirtDart

Sen. Susan Collins says she was thanked over and over again for opposing GOP health bill at today’s parade.

Now let’s see if she holds to that on the second go-through with the bill. (“But now it only deprives 21 million of their insurance, so it’s okay.”)

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jaunte  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:28:43pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:29:54pm
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Mattand  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:31:02pm

re: #289 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Now let’s see if she holds to that on the second go-through with the bill. (“But now it only deprives 21 million of their insurance, so it’s okay.”)

Bingo.

I’ve been taking TPM’s Josh Marshall’s law about moderate Republicans standing their ground against Trumpcare to heart: they all cave in the end. Any objection is merely theater.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:33:57pm

re: #257 Dave In Austin

The Comments! The Comments!

“Dude, where’s my car, where am I, and who am I again?”

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:34:14pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:38:23pm
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JordanRules  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:40:36pm

re: #291 Charles Johnson

Right. Not new and should’ve been covered more by the NYT.
And we know what the deal is with them doing this stuff. Their supporters do too and love it.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:40:40pm

Just because….

I have been in love with Judith Durham for over 50 years, a naturally beautiful woman with the voice of an angel. Here she is with the other Seekers (Athol Guy, Keith Potger, and Bruce Woodley) in 1966. All 4 are still with us, the heavens be thanked. Btw the high note at 2:38 is an F# above high C, and Judith nails it perfectly.

The Seekers - When the Stars begin to Fall (1966 - Stereo, enhanced video)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:51:05pm

re: #279 JordanRules

Ugggh

[Embedded content]

Let me guess…bulk sales financed by the Mercer’s…

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ozharas  Jul 4, 2017 • 8:57:44pm

re: #297 Shiplord Kirel

Love the Seekers - hold the record for the highest number of concert goers in the Southern Hemisphere for their 1967 Melbourne concert.

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sagehen  Jul 4, 2017 • 9:11:03pm

re: #257 Dave In Austin

The Comments! The Comments!

[Embedded content]

To be fair, I’m sure lots of presidents have mistaken the limo at the bottom of Air Force One’s stairs for something other than a limo at the bottom of the stairs of Air Force One.


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Left Cries Foul, but Electoral College Prevents Tyranny of the Majority I'm speechless...this is what we have to fight against: Image: constitution-1486010_960_720.jpg Author: Paul Jenkins(Paul Jenkins is editor of the anchoragedailyplanet.com, a division of Porcaro Communications) The political left and its mouthpiece, The New York Times, are still fuming over ...
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Tune-Yards - Look at Your Hands (Official Video) 'Look at Your Hands' by Tune-Yards. New album 'I can feel you creep into my private life' is released January 19th 2018: smarturl.it Video by Michael SpeedFootage by Marisa Gesualdi & Jennifer SommerAdditional photos by Nate Brenner, Ginger Fierstein ...
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Beck Performing ‘Up All Night’ Live on KCRW Watch / Listen to the full session here: kcrw.com Beck has always been a chameleon and his latest Colors finds him returning to the incredibly upbeat songs that drove earlier albums like Odelay and Guero. This performance, recorded at ...
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