Even Trump’s Aides Are Worried He’s Going to Embarrass Himself and America at the G20 Meeting

Trump is totally unprepared for this
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This is how bad things are.

The Los Angeles Times reports Wednesday morning that foreign policy experts are worried that President Trump could be caught flat-footed at his upcoming meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin at the Group of 20 summit in Hamburg on Friday. Even Trump’s aides acknowledge the president’s unwillingness to read the briefings they have compiled about his cunning Russian counterpart.

As a result, they have opted for their best chance of penetrating the president’s consciousness: “a list of tweet-length sentences that summarize the main points Trump could bring up with Putin.”

The Twitter president, known for favoring the medium as the best way of reaching his base, taunting his adversaries and boosting his self-esteem, is apparently only able to conceptualize the world’s most explosive geopolitical conflicts in 140 characters.

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408 comments

1
I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 5, 2017 • 9:17:06pm

I may have to start praying. Or drinking.

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freetoken  Jul 5, 2017 • 9:19:30pm

re: #1 I Would Prefer Not To

I may have to start praying. Or drinking.

Other options include:

TM,
mushrooms,
and of course, Voodoo.

3
Kragar  Jul 5, 2017 • 9:19:39pm

I take it as a virtual certainty that Trump will fuck something up

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Wile E. Coyote's mom  Jul 5, 2017 • 9:21:00pm

So do the religious right, who feel God wanted Trump, feel that God wants America to be the laughing stock of the world? Or is this a form of American hubris that comes before the arrival of Nemesis?

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 5, 2017 • 9:23:55pm

Checking my inventory of prepper supplies, fallout version….

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retired cynic  Jul 5, 2017 • 9:24:42pm

re: #4 Wile E. Coyote’s mom

So do the religious right, who feel God wanted Trump, feel that God wants America to be the laughing stock of the world? Or is this a form of American hubris that comes before the arrival of Nemesis?

So does the religious right think that Putin is God? Sheesh.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 5, 2017 • 9:25:33pm

re: #4 Wile E. Coyote’s mom

So do the religious right, who feel God wanted Trump, feel that God wants America to be the laughing stock of the world? Or is this a form of American hubris that comes before the arrival of Nemesis?

The Religious Right acts in mysterious ways.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 5, 2017 • 9:28:19pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 5, 2017 • 9:28:54pm

We have as “President” a man who is beholden to Putin and who acquired much of his wealth through Russia, perhaps by laundering oligarchs’ money; a man who praises Putin and disparages his own country. Our prospects are not promising, unless the Republican party stands up to any deal that Trump reaches with the Putin, and to date they have not as yet shown any backbone.

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Wile E. Coyote's mom  Jul 5, 2017 • 9:29:05pm

re: #6 retired cynic

So does the religious right think that Putin is God? Sheesh.

They must. He dazzled them with his manly man chest.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 5, 2017 • 9:31:10pm

Sanity break

Astronomy picture of the day

Explanation: On July 3rd, planet Earth reached aphelion, the farthest point in its elliptical orbit around the Sun. Each year, this day of the most distant Sun happens to occur during winter in the southern hemisphere. That’s where this aphelion sunrise from 2015 was captured in a time series composite against the skyline of Brisbane, Australia. Of course, seasons for our fair planet are not determined by distance to the Sun, but by the tilt of Earth’s rotational axis with respect to the ecliptic, the plane of its orbit.

Full res version

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Wile E. Coyote's mom  Jul 5, 2017 • 9:33:11pm

re: #9 Hecuba’s daughter

It is not a matter of backbone. He is giving them everything they want. It is as if they attached straws to the US Treasury and are intent on sucking out every last bit. They have their plans and escape routes planned if we end up radioactive dust.

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William Lewis  Jul 5, 2017 • 9:35:20pm

re: #5 Shiplord Kirel

Checking my inventory of prepper supplies, fallout version….

I have most of my necessities loaded into the back of my newtome SUV and the rest of the bugout bag id’d for fast loading. A trailer house is not the best place to hunker down if it came to that. The old family farm OTOH …

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retired cynic  Jul 5, 2017 • 9:35:24pm

re: #12 Wile E. Coyote’s mom

It is not a matter of backbone. He is giving them everything they want. It is as if they attached straws to the US Treasury and are intent on sucking out every last bit. They have their plans and escape routes planned if we end up radioactive dust.

“It is as if they attached straws to the US Treasury and are intent on sucking out every last bit. ” Good line!

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jul 5, 2017 • 9:36:05pm

re: #4 Wile E. Coyote’s mom

So do the religious right, who feel God wanted Trump, feel that God wants America to be the laughing stock of the world? Or is this a form of American hubris that comes before the arrival of Nemesis?

Depends. The Rapture-ready types just don’t care, because most of the world is damned, and/or the soon-to-be End Times means those folks are doomed to first follow the Antichrist, then get killed and damned. Their power trip is that everybody else is hateful Satan-puppets and they’re the only righteous people.

The Dominionists see America as a rising this-world power in which it’s sacred to boot in the ass everybody who doesn’t tow their line. They also don’t care if other people laugh, because they’re Harry Lime if he thought God wanted him to steal all that penicillin.

Trump can’t do wrong because he’s their guy. Everything else will bend to match that premise.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 5, 2017 • 9:43:57pm

re: #12 Wile E. Coyote’s mom

It is not a matter of backbone. He is giving them everything they want. It is as if they attached straws to the US Treasury and are intent on sucking out every last bit. They have their plans and escape routes planned if we end up radioactive dust.

The question is whether they share his treasonous fondness for Putin or whether capitulating to Putin will be a bridge too far for enough of them to stop any agreement Trump reaches with him.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 5, 2017 • 9:46:58pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 5, 2017 • 9:48:27pm

Seems obvious to me. I really don’t get the hesitancy to see this as central to the discussion of what our nation is becoming.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 5, 2017 • 9:53:34pm

re: #16 Hecuba’s daughter

The question is whether they share his treasonous fondness for Putin or whether capitulating to Putin will be a bridge too far for enough of them to stop any agreement Trump reaches with him.

They voted to keep and increase sanctions. All but Rand and Sanders.

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freetoken  Jul 5, 2017 • 9:58:51pm

re: #11 Shiplord Kirel

Each year, this day of the most distant Sun happens to occur during winter in the southern hemisphere.

This of course changes over time. Eventually the roles will be reversed and aphelion will happen in the northern hemisphere’s winter.

Nothing really stays the same on this planet.

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Wile E. Coyote's mom  Jul 5, 2017 • 10:04:18pm

democracyguardian.com

Did anyone see this Medium article when it came out? My FB is divided into 3rds of democrats, Berniecrats, and republicans. This was posted by one of the Dems who tends to duke it out with the bernies.

Mostly what everyone says here about his cult.

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Sister Inspired Revolver of Freedom  Jul 5, 2017 • 10:12:16pm

Of course, Trump is going to embarrass himself and the US. It was made clear at the last conference just how despised Trump is by other world leaders. Being the thin skinned prick that he is, Trump will do something to show them who’s boss, and it will not end well for anyone.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 5, 2017 • 10:14:48pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 5, 2017 • 10:20:24pm

LOLOLOL

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vgranucci  Jul 5, 2017 • 10:22:17pm

re: #1 I Would Prefer Not To

I may have to start praying. Or drinking.

They’re not mutually exclusive.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 5, 2017 • 10:24:45pm

re: #13 William Lewis

I have most of my necessities loaded into the back of my newtome SUV and the rest of the bugout bag id’d for fast loading. A trailer house is not the best place to hunker down if it came to that. The old family farm OTOH …

I’m pretty as well bugged out as I could get here at the Conspiracy Compound so I’ll be staying put.

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JordanRules  Jul 5, 2017 • 10:29:05pm

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

Oh myyyyy.

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teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2017 • 10:30:30pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 5, 2017 • 10:32:16pm

This is really interesting:
How the United States Looked Before the EPA

Back in 1970, then-President Richard Nixon signed an executive order establishing the Environmental Protection Agency. Just after its creation, the EPA created a photo-documentary project called “Project Documerica.” Its purpose? To “record the state of the environment and efforts to improve it.”

Oil slick around Liberty Island

Still more evidence that Tricky Dick would be a liberal today, though still a crooked one.
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 5, 2017 • 10:35:45pm

This one is unbelievable:

Burning discarded automobile batteries in Houston, Texas in 1972. Marc St. Gil — National Archives

The Federal regulation that this administration hates so much is the only thing that keep this from being done again.

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Lupin  Jul 5, 2017 • 10:36:40pm

After boycotting the funeral of the almost universally beloved Simone Veil (except by far right nuts), Marine Le Pen with 56% disapproval is now the most disliked politician in France.

This comes on top of being the target of a criminal investigation for diverting EU money into fake jobs for her party., and severe internal dissensions in the Front national between hardcore nazis and milder nazis.

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Lupin  Jul 5, 2017 • 10:39:57pm

Angela Merkel attacks Donald Trump’s foreign policy stance ahead of G20 showdown.

The Independent

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Lupin  Jul 5, 2017 • 10:45:39pm

Macron’s popularity soars according to new YouGov poll..

89% of centrists, 56% of the Right (Les Républicains) and 51% of the Socialists approve of him & his government. Jea-Luc Melanchon lost 3 points and Benoit Hamon 5. Marine Le Pen is in freeefall.

HuffPost France

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teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2017 • 10:46:24pm

re: #30 Shiplord Kirel

Tweeted.

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Lupin  Jul 5, 2017 • 10:51:27pm

French Press starts talking about Trump’s laundering of Russian money, Lev Leviev and the Deutsche Bank $285 million “loan” to Jared.

Le Point (French NEWSWEEK)

There were earlier articles in late June in Le point (who seems to have taken the lead on this) and Le Figaro, a traditionally right-wing daily paper, but generally the topic has flown under the radar here. With the forthcoming G20, the Crook-in-Chief is slowly being exposed for what he is.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 5, 2017 • 10:53:29pm

Wait, how does the LGF tweet-storm feature work again?

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Lupin  Jul 5, 2017 • 10:55:39pm

French magazine L’EXPRESS asks if Trump is suffering from Pick’s Disease:

L’Express

(excellent article, in French)

wiki article on Pick’s Disease

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 5, 2017 • 10:56:21pm

I can’t tell you how depressing it is that there is no clear path to removing the President despite fuck up after fuck up.

If he was an employee in a private company he would have been done long ago. Unfortunately when it comes to the President we the American people, the shareholders, only have one board meeting every four years in which we can make a leadership change.

The GOP knows as long as they don’t 25th Amendment Trump there’s no way to remove him.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 5, 2017 • 10:57:30pm

re: #36 goddamnedfrank

Found it.

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teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2017 • 11:00:55pm

re: #36 goddamnedfrank

Wait, how does the LGF tweet-storm feature work again?

Just click on the big blue button that says ‘Tweet’ and just type away. LGF’s code does the rest.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 5, 2017 • 11:01:11pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 5, 2017 • 11:02:47pm

re: #40 teleskiguy

Just click on the big blue button that says ‘Tweet’ and just type away. LGF’s code does the rest.

Yeah I was initially hitting the twitter logo button on the left side of the screen, doesn’t work there.

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JordanRules  Jul 5, 2017 • 11:11:33pm

re: #37 Lupin

Great links tonight. Thank you!

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jul 5, 2017 • 11:12:17pm

I wonder if this is an attempt to game expectations. As though if people in the White House say “we’re really worried this is going to be an absolute fucking catastrophe” and then it turns out to only be a disaster, people will be like “hey, Trump did better than expected, so it’s a win”.

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JordanRules  Jul 5, 2017 • 11:12:40pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 5, 2017 • 11:42:07pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 5, 2017 • 11:45:02pm

This isn’t good at all:
House Majority Whip Steve Scalise Readmitted To Intensive Care Unit

Republican Rep. Steve Scalise of Louisiana, who was wounded last month when a gunman opened fire on a Republican baseball practice in Alexandria, Va., is back in intensive care because of concerns for infection.

MedStar Washington Center issued a statement late Tuesday night:

Congressman Steve Scalise has been readmitted to the Intensive Care Unit at MedStar Washington Hospital Center due to new concerns for infection. His condition is listed as serious. We will provide another update tomorrow, July 6.

Scalise, 51, who is the No. 3 Republican in the House, had been moved out of intensive care on June 22 after undergoing multiple surgeries. At that time, his condition was described as fair.

Don’t die on us now, goddamit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 5, 2017 • 11:50:14pm

re: #47 Shiplord Kirel

This isn’t good at all:
House Majority Whip Steve Scalise Readmitted To Intensive Care Unit

Don’t die on us now, goddamit.

Seriously. Scalise doesn’t deserve that and the last thing the GOP needs right now is a Martyr.

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Kragar  Jul 5, 2017 • 11:50:47pm

Current project:

Had to restart this guy 4 different times. Took forever to get the gold right. I had tried to go with a solid coat at first, but it looked like crap. I ended up going with silver primer, a light coat of dark gold, a brown wash, then a dry brushed coat of light gold. Still have a bunch of detail work to go.

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JordanRules  Jul 5, 2017 • 11:51:02pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 5, 2017 • 11:57:59pm

It’s not that they are worried he is going to embarrass himself at the G20. That is all but a given whenever Trump is in the presence of people who highlight his lack of qualifications and character for the office he was elected to.

Their concern is that he will do it so massively and egregiously that they cannot shrug it off, make lame excuses, rationalize it away or distract people with another outrageous tweet controversy.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 5, 2017 • 11:59:12pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:00:47am

re: #51 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It’s not that they are worried he is going to embarrass himself at the G20. That is all but a given whenever Trump is in the presence of people who highlight his lack of qualifications and character for the office he was elected to.

Their concern is that he will do it so massively and egregiously that they cannot shrug it off, make lame excuses, rationalize it away or distract people with another outrageous tweet controversy.

They could be exceedingly polite to him and he’d fuck it up just through simple boredom and narcissistic bravado. But after pulling out of the Paris Accord I don’t think they’re going to be nice to him.

It’s going to be an absolute shit show.

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JordanRules  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:06:12am
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Kragar  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:09:32am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:14:52am

re: #53 goddamnedfrank

They could be exceedingly polite to him and he’d fuck it up just through simple boredom and narcissistic bravado. But after pulling out of the Paris Accord I don’t think they’re going to be nice to him.

It’s going to be an absolute shit show.

I am waiting for him to take personal offense and to decide it would make a great video meme to clothesline one of them.

But he is likely to assume he is on the debate platform with nineteen Hillarys and start calling them names right in front of them…that will be hard for his party and supports to shrug off, distract or distance themselves from.

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JordanRules  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:26:45am

This in and of itself is indicative.

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Kragar  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:30:44am
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JordanRules  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:30:51am

re: #56 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If dementia due to a condition that could increase erratic, violent behavior, maybe. Other than that, this dude only hits women and his kids. A true coward through and through.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:35:58am

re: #59 JordanRules

If dementia due to a condition that could increase erratic, violent behavior, maybe. Other than that, this dude only hits women and his kids. A true coward through and through.

…and thin-skinned, one unable to distinguish his own egotistical self from the office of the Presidency. We see examples of that on a daily basis.

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Targetpractice  Jul 6, 2017 • 1:02:07am

re: #29 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

This is really interesting:
How the United States Looked Before the EPA

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Still more evidence that Tricky Dick would be a liberal today, though still a crooked one.

This is the “Golden Age” that wingnuts wish they could return to, before all them “job-killing regulations” started coming into effect. Rivers slick with an oil-sheen, the air so thick with cancerous fumes that you can’t see sunlight, children playing as arsenic and lead rains down upon them, and garbage piled high enough that you can’t see the horizon past it. When you hear Boomers talk about how “great” things were when they were growing up, this is the reality that they refuse to talk about.

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freetoken  Jul 6, 2017 • 1:02:49am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 6, 2017 • 1:04:18am

re: #61 Targetpractice

This is the “Golden Age” that wingnuts wish they could return to, before all them “job-killing regulations” started coming into effect. Rivers slick with an oil-sheen, the air so thick with cancerous fumes that you can’t see sunlight, children playing as arsenic and lead rains down upon them, and garbage piled high enough that you can’t see the horizon past it. When you hear Boomers talk about how “great” things were when they were growing up, this is the reality that they refuse to talk about.

I grew up in Gary, Indiana, where the Calumet River used to catch fire and burn on a regular basis…

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 6, 2017 • 1:07:29am

re: #7 HappyWarrior

The Religious Right acts in mysterious ways. like they forgot to take their meds.

FTFY.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 6, 2017 • 1:10:48am

re: #4 Wile E. Coyote’s mom

So do the religious right, who feel God wanted Trump, feel that God wants America to be the laughing stock of the world? Or is this a form of American hubris that comes before the arrival of Nemesis?

They like the role of Martyr in the Name of Divine Truth and see that mockery as proof that they are doing God’s Will with God’s Own Buffoon as their chosen leader.

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Kragar  Jul 6, 2017 • 1:19:32am
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2017 • 1:22:02am

re: #66 Kragar

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Huh? Oh hell, he’s really gonna go for broke and FUBAR everything, isn’t he?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 6, 2017 • 1:28:05am

re: #67 Dr Lizardo

Huh? Oh hell, he’s really gonna go for broke and FUBAR everything, isn’t he?

Chaos and misinformation are too easy to spread, especially when the people who benefit from them have access to means to disseminate them…and in Trump they have the ultimate means.

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JordanRules  Jul 6, 2017 • 1:28:58am

re: #66 Kragar

They already believe that you dumb fuck traitor. You better figure out how to deal with those who don’t. Vladi Dadi and his weak ass economy primed for upheaval and retaliatory tactics can only get you so far Orangey Boo Boo.

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Lupin  Jul 6, 2017 • 2:17:53am

re: #43 JordanRules

Great links tonight. Thank you!

Thank you. My point really is this: if news like this have now reached mainstream magazines such as Le Point, L’Express (equivalent of TIME or NEWSWEEK here), it means that the intelligence services of all major European powers have been asking themselves the same questions, investigating the same issues, and briefing their own governments weeks, if not months ago. It means Trump’s reputation, credibility, (and consequently the US’, as long as he is, at least nominally, in charge) is shot. Consequences look very dismal.

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boredtechindenver  Jul 6, 2017 • 2:18:39am

NPR broadcasts and tweets out Declaration of Independence for the Fourth of July. “Some thought NPR tweeted “propaganda.” It was the Declaration of Independence.”

For about 20 minutes Tuesday, NPR traveled back to 1776.

To echo its 29-year on-air tradition,the public radio network’s main Twitter account tweeted out the Declaration of Independence, line by line.

There - in 113 consecutive posts, in 140-character increments - was the text of the treasured founding document of the United States, from its soaring opening to its searing indictments of King George III’s “absolute tyranny” to its very last signature.

Who could have taken issue with such a patriotic exercise, done in honor of the nation’s birthday?

Quite a few people, it turned out.

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freetoken  Jul 6, 2017 • 2:23:08am

For some reason, this is trending worldwide:

#バイアグラ100ml男

It’s Japanese, for 100ml Viagra man.

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freetoken  Jul 6, 2017 • 2:24:28am

Don’t know… why??

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JordanRules  Jul 6, 2017 • 2:35:47am

re: #70 Lupin

Does the media model in non-US Western media outlets support this type of reporting more than it does here?

I do think these stories being covered abroad means a few things that are likely very significant. Just not sure what they are yet. I’m so fascinated by it too.

Im also figuring there is vast cooperation between the NATO member intelligence agencies as you mentioned.

Stretching this out, the world will have to recalculate a lot. Power shifts with this incredible American credibility gap are super amplified.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2017 • 2:38:51am

so much insanity.

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Lupin  Jul 6, 2017 • 2:40:22am

G2 Update:

EU leaders are meeting Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe in Brussels to give their seal of approval to a landmark free trade deal.

bbc

It is estimated that 99% of trade between Japan and the EU will be liberalized, while an accompanying strategic partnership deal will see them co-operate in other areas, from climate change to tackling terrorism.

Both want to show they are committed to a world order built on open trade and international co-operation, in contrast to Mr Trump’s America that is turning inward, the BBC’s Europe correspondent, Damian Grammaticas, reports.

EU-Japan trade talks had stalled after four years but when Donald Trump took office and scrapped his own possible Pacific trade partnership this year, it spurred them into action, and they resolved most of their differences in a matter of weeks.

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Lupin  Jul 6, 2017 • 2:49:19am

re: #74 JordanRules

Does the media model in non-US Western media outlets support this type of reporting more than it does here?

I do think these stories being covered abroad means a few things that are likely very significant. Just not sure what they are yet. I’m so fascinated by it too.

I’m also figuring there is vast cooperation between the NATO member intelligence agencies as you mentioned.

Stretching this out, the world will have to recalculate a lot. Power shifts with this incredible American credibility gap are super amplified.

I think French media are (still) less “look! squirrel!” (UP reference)-oriented than US media. I take the fact that such matters as Trump’s connection to Russian money-laundering and his cognitive problems are now being reported in EU MSM as a significant clue that it has moved beyond “gossip” and is now being treated as “hard news”. And very likely even more so by the Powers-That-Be.

It is now official that Angela Merkel has written off the US as a reliable ally, and I suspect Macron has some kind of cunning plan (BLACK ADDER reference) to bamboozle Trump at the July 14 meeting. (He may be overestimating himself, but I suspect he’s going to try something.)

It is clear here that your Congress is acting alone, mostly trying to loot your country, while the Executive power is at best in disarray, at worst mired in internecine conflicts, led by a cognitively—impaired narcissist. My suspicion is that many will try to take advantage of this to variously loot or diminish the US, with varying degrees of success.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 6, 2017 • 3:14:29am

re: #3 Kragar

I take it as a virtual certainty that Trump will fuck something up

That’s the only thing he does right. He has no shame so he can’t embarrass himself but he sure the hell can embarrass this country.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 6, 2017 • 3:48:32am

re: #71 boredtechindenver

NPR broadcasts and tweets out Declaration of Independence for the Fourth of July. “Some thought NPR tweeted “propaganda.” It was the Declaration of Independence.”

That is what happens when you neglect to teach civics and US history in schools.

Actually, Donald Trump is what happens when you neglect basic education.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 6, 2017 • 3:49:54am

re: #78 Patricia Kayden

That’s the only thing he does right. He has no shame so he can’t embarrass himself but he sure the hell can embarrass this country.

The thing that truly worries his staff is that he will do it in such a blatant and offensive manner that they cannot ignore, rationalize or distance themselves from it.

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freetoken  Jul 6, 2017 • 3:52:30am

re: #77 Lupin

…and I suspect Macron has some kind of cunning plan (BLACK ADDER reference) to bamboozle Trump at the July 14 meeting.

That’s easy. Trudeau and Macron will just start speaking French in front of Trump without translating, then Trump will wander off looking for the food and get lost.

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fern01  Jul 6, 2017 • 4:08:04am

NYT still attacking President Obama because - Russians!
Trump is overseas doing the same thing & attacking the US security services and talking about the 2016 election. He is also attacking the media - as usual.

He is going to cause WWIII - and will he have any allies?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 6, 2017 • 4:08:29am

re: #81 freetoken

That’s easy. Trudeau and Macron will just start speaking French in front of Trump without translating, then Trump will wander off looking for the food and get lost.

And Trump’s supporters will complain about how he is being victimized by Francophone elitists…

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 6, 2017 • 4:15:54am

Haven’t listened to any news but did see this chyron as I glanced at MSNBC earlier about Poland press event: “Trump talks Russian meddling; blames Obama….” So he hasn’t progressed from a week or so ago.

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Weaselone  Jul 6, 2017 • 4:24:24am

re: #58 Kragar

I always read these articles and they’re keen to note that Mueller’s team has members who have donated to Democrats in the past, but for some strange reason they never note who and how many have donated to Republicans so it’s impossible to know whether they represent a disproportionate amount.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 6, 2017 • 4:30:57am

Here’s how one person scores Trump’s Poland appearance so far:

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2017 • 4:38:51am

I thought it was the Soviets who liberated Poland, not the U.S.

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boredtechindenver  Jul 6, 2017 • 4:43:38am

Why is he giving a domestic policy speech in Poland?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2017 • 4:45:15am

He’s back to that 400 lb guy again

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2017 • 4:46:04am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2017 • 4:49:12am

all the facepalms

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boredtechindenver  Jul 6, 2017 • 4:49:17am

He finally affirms Article 5 of NATO treaty.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2017 • 4:52:39am
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Dave In Austin  Jul 6, 2017 • 4:53:26am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 6, 2017 • 4:54:06am

re: #93 The Vicious Babushka

On foreign soil, Trump rips intel, press and Obama

This man embodifies everything that just shouts “Presidential!”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2017 • 5:13:54am

He got what he came for.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 6, 2017 • 5:15:07am

re: #96 The Vicious Babushka

“The West will never, ever be broken” Donald Trump says in a speech in Warsaw.

Unless he manages to break it…

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 5:34:06am

re: #96 The Vicious Babushka

“The West will never, ever be broken” Donald Trump says in a speech in Warsaw. The crowd chants his name and he gets a standing ovation pic.twitter.com

— Sky News

“Although I don’t have much use for NATO or allies besides Russia. No worries.”

/

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 5:35:27am

re: #96 The Vicious Babushka

He got what he came for.

The Poles, they cheer me! Bigly! Not like the loser Brits! Everybody loves me here! They know I’m making America great again!

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 5:36:00am

re: #93 The Vicious Babushka

Shocking.

/

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 5:37:21am

re: #84 Barefoot Grin

Haven’t listened to any news but did see this chyron as I glanced at MSNBC earlier about Poland press event: “Trump talks Russian meddling; blames Obama….” So he hasn’t progressed from a week or so ago.

Trump’s Blame America First approach.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 5:38:43am

re: #85 Weaselone

I always read these articles and they’re keen to note that Mueller’s team has members who have donated to Democrats in the past, but for some strange reason they never note who and how many have donated to Republicans so it’s impossible to know whether they represent a disproportionate amount.

Trump donated to Democrats and Clinton. In fact, it was Clinton and the Democrats who foisted Trump on the innocent Republicans.

///

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Birth Control Works  Jul 6, 2017 • 5:41:03am
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Birth Control Works  Jul 6, 2017 • 5:42:17am

re: #91 The Vicious Babushka

all the facepalms

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*spit*

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 6, 2017 • 5:44:12am

re: #99 Sir John Barron

The Poles, they cheer me! Bigly! Not like the loser Brits! Everybody loves me here! They know I’m making America great again!

Now give him a nice piece of cake!

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Birth Control Works  Jul 6, 2017 • 5:44:43am

VOCABULARY WORD OF THE DAY:

chy*ron
ˈkīrän/Submit
nountrademark
an electronically generated caption superimposed on a television or movie screen.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 6, 2017 • 5:45:26am

re: #102 Sir John Barron

Trump donated to Democrats and Clinton. In fact, it was Clinton and the Democrats who foisted Trump on the innocent Republicans.

///

This makes sense, seeing the Democrat-KKK connection and all.

///

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darthstar  Jul 6, 2017 • 5:49:04am

Remember, on his last trip to Europe he was so exhausted by day two that Ivanka and Jared sat in on his meetings for him…not with him, but in his place. Trump is meeting Putin right as his jet lag peaks. I’m sure he’ll be sharp as a tack.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2017 • 5:51:45am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 5:53:16am

re: #109 The Vicious Babushka

Nobody knows about this. It’s amazing. No books have been written about this. It’s never been covered.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 6, 2017 • 5:54:17am
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 6, 2017 • 5:56:02am

re: #111 Birth Control Works

Harry Potter reference?

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Birth Control Works  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:01:21am

re: #112 PhillyPretzel

Harry Potter reference?

yes!

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:04:20am

re: #109 The Vicious Babushka

“That is tough. I had it tough, too, growing up. But look at me now. President of America. Won the most electoral colleges and won the popular vote, too. Damn CNN and press hates me. OK, but enough about me. What were you saying about this place again?”

//

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:05:32am

re: #109 The Vicious Babushka

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He has no idea.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:05:47am

Trump said “they say he choked” about Obama’s handling of Russian interference. Obama must be thinking, “this fucking guy.”

Undermining American IC while on foreign soil. Not bright.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:06:08am

re: #115 HappyWarrior

He has no idea.

“Hey, I like countries who win, OK?”

/

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:07:15am

re: #116 Barefoot Grin

Trump said “they say he choked” about Obama’s handling of Russian interference. Obama must be thinking, “this fucking guy.”

Undermining American IC while on foreign soil. Not bright.

“But we don’t know if it was Russia. Maybe some others. No big deal. But Obama still blew it.”

/

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:07:38am

‘I’m big with the Poles. The Poles love me. Many worked on my buildings and didn’t even use hardhats.’

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Birth Control Works  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:12:56am

Nazi’s hated the Poles.

Everyone hated the Poles for some reason.

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darthstar  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:14:00am

re: #116 Barefoot Grin

Trump said “they say he choked” about Obama’s handling of Russian interference. Obama must be thinking, “this fucking guy.”

Undermining American IC while on foreign soil. Not bright.

This is the second time he shit on America when traveling abroad.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:15:11am

re: #120 Birth Control Works

Nazi’s hated the Poles.

Everyone hated the Poles for some reason.

Geography. They were in the way for the Austrians, Germans, & Russians.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:15:43am

re: #121 darthstar

This is the second time he shit on America when traveling abroad.

Won’t be the last but Obama’s apology tour.//

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darthstar  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:16:57am
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Birth Control Works  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:17:47am

THey vote on the Illinois Budget today —to overide the veto.

It would be nice if Illinois started paying it’s bills.

I’ve heard an advertisement/recruiting spot for Volunteer Fire Fighters several times over the last few days.

I keep thinking, “Egad, is this what the GOP really wants?”

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darthstar  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:18:23am

re: #124 darthstar

The Trump administration “has not taken any real steps” toward the president’s promise to boost cooperation with Russia, Kislyak gripes in an interview posted Wednesday by Russian news agency TASS. “Work with Donald Trump’s administration is unfolding uneasily,” he notes. “The internal political struggle in the United States has dealt a heavy blow to Russian-U.S. relations. Sometimes, you are surprised at the ease with which the American establishment is ready to sacrifice normalcy in our relations.

I’m sure Trump will reestablish normalcy with Putin in short order.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:19:22am
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:19:44am

re: #125 Birth Control Works

Everyone is to work for the greater glory of Trump Opps I meant to say America so we can be Great Again. /////

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:20:48am

I’ve been reading Lynne Olson’s Last Hope Island, about the exiled governments in Great Britain during WWII.

Poland really had it bad. Invaded on both sides by the Germans and Soviet Union, abandoned by the allies in 1939 (or at least left to fend for themselves although war had been declared in their behalf by France and GB), and later, used and basically deceived by the allies as to the support Poland would receive after the war. The Poles made great contributions in their resistance efforts as well as towards breaking Enigma. But they got little to nothing in the end.

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William Lewis  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:22:06am

re: #122 HappyWarrior

Geography. They were in the way for the Austrians, Germans, & Russians.

The Bloodlands.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:22:18am

re: #126 darthstar

Sometimes, you are surprised at the ease with which the American establishment is ready to sacrifice normalcy in our relations.”

Interfering in U.S. elections will do that to you.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:22:37am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:23:31am

re: #130 Sir John Barron

I’ve been reading Lynne Olson’s Last Hope Island, about the exiled governments in Great Britain during WWII.

Poland really had it bad. Invaded on both sides by the Germans and Soviet Union, abandoned by the allies in 1939 (or at least left to fend for themselves although war had been declared in their behalf by France and GB), and later, used and basically deceived by the allies as to the support Poland would receive after the war. The Poles made great contributions in their resistance efforts as well as towards breaking Enigma. But they got little to nothing in the end.

They really did get screwed I think more than any European nation. You bring up a forgotten point which is the Soviets invaded as well.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:24:16am

Matt Lewis on CNN: “Trump’s not getting the credit he deserves for strong Warsaw speech; he forcefully argued for [Western] civilization.”

Some of us have a different response when we hear Stephen Miller’s “battle for Western civilization” rhetoric put into Trump’s mouth.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:24:42am

re: #131 William Lewis

The Bloodlands.

Home sweet home.// my mother’s maternal grandparents were from the Slovak-Polish-Ukrainian borderlands.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:25:29am

re: #135 Barefoot Grin

Matt Lewis on CNN: “Trump’s not getting the credit he deserves for strong Warsaw speech; he forcefully argued for [Western] civilization.”

Some of us have a different response when we hear Stephen Miller’s “battle for Western civilization” rhetoric put into Trump’s mouth.

It’s kind of you know insincere given he prefers Russia over our actual Western allies.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:26:11am

re: #134 HappyWarrior

They really did get screwed I think more than any European nation. You bring up a forgotten point which is the Soviets invaded as well.

And the Soviets killed thousands of Polish army officers, buried them, Stalin denied knowing of their whereabouts, only for the officers to be dug up by the Nazis and when Poland sought the Red Cross’s help in investigating the matter Stalin cut off diplomatic relations with them. And a few months later the Poles leader died in a plane crash, dealing that country another harsh blow.

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William Lewis  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:28:17am

re: #134 HappyWarrior

They really did get screwed I think more than any European nation. You bring up a forgotten point which is the Soviets invaded as well.

Another problem for the Polish people is that the interwar government was far right wing authoritarian (in reaction to the Soviet government and the Polish-Soviet War of 1919-1921 - another part of why I call it The World War. The fighting never stopped from 1914 to 1989, it just shifted locations and participants.) They may have brought us the early Enigma machine but honestly, that was about the single good thing that government did.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:29:04am

re: #138 Sir John Barron

And the Soviets killed thousands of Polish army officers, buried them, Stalin denied knowing of their whereabouts, only for the officers to be dug up by the Nazis and when Poland sought the Red Cross’s help in investigating the matter Stalin cut off diplomatic relations with them. And a few months later the Poles leader died in a plane crash, dealing that country another harsh blow.

Yep Katyn.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:30:07am

re: #139 William Lewis

Another problem for the Polish people is that the interwar government was far right wing authoritarian (in reaction to the Soviet government and the Polish-Soviet War of 1919-1921 - another part of why I call it The World War. The fighting never stopped from 1914 to 1989, it just shifted locations and participants.) They may have brought us the early Enigma machine but honestly, that was about the single good thing that government did.

Never knew that but I agree.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:30:16am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:30:19am

re: #68 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Chaos and misinformation are too easy to spread, especially when the people who benefit from them have access to means to disseminate them…and in Trump they have the ultimate means.

Not just from the right, left wing moonbats do it too.

Had to do a takedown this morning from a moonbat vegan who claimed that the only reason you don’t find Vitamin B12 in water is because of required chlorination in public water systems. Big meat and milk conspire to tell you the only way you can get B12 is from their products.

There was so much stupid to unpack (putting on public water operator hat) it was painful.

That claim first came from Seventh Day Adventists in the Twenties, then pushed by a yeast company in the Thirties (until the FTC slapped them down for false advertising). For the record, yeast does not create B12, anaerobic bacteria do. As such, B12 is found in the gut bacteria of animals.

Where water in fact has B12 in it, it comes from dead decaying animals. (For the record, for water that has B12 in it such as a creek, you would need to drink about 13,000 cu. feet of water a day to get the minimum daily requirement of B-12.)

That also doesn’t explain why home wells and such aren’t chlorinated and don’t have B-12 and aren’t required to do so.

Moreover, chlorination is not required in a public water system. It is only required if the water system has dangerous bacteria in it. What keeps that out of a water system is testing and eliminating cross-connections (such as a hose in a bucket). Bacteria do not create themselves, and if the system is kept closed and clean, no chlorination is required (as such, we do not chlorinate our water here usually, and with our water tower fix it is unlikely we will have to do so any more).

I was accused of being a shill for the meat industry. Gaaa.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:30:22am

re: #140 HappyWarrior

Yep Katyn.

And I haven’t gotten to the worst part of the book yet—the Warsaw uprising.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:32:41am

re: #144 Sir John Barron

And I haven’t gotten to the worst part of the book yet—the Warsaw uprising.

Yep that too.

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Belafon  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:34:00am

re: #66 Kragar

Get your VP kicked out, and then resign. That’ll help us get everything back on track.

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darthstar  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:34:31am
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darthstar  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:35:15am

re: #146 Belafon

Get your VP kicked out, and then resign. That’ll help us get everything back on track.

Paul Ryan needs to quit first.

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:35:49am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Trump’s busy spewing stuff he doesn’t understand, and attacking the US intel community, Obama, and deflecting attention from Russia’s meddling actions.

Pence, of course, calls Trump’s speech historic. Nothing historic about it. There’s nothing new there. Trump belatedly agrees that there’s an Article 5 commitment, but his staff and GOP have been on an ongoing apology tour to paper over all Trump’s bullshit.

Trump doesn’t understand Poland’s unique history and post-WWII position behind the Iron Curtain. Or that Russia continues attempting to meddle in the affairs of Russian border countries. Or that Russia’s efforts against the US emboldened them to redouble their efforts elsewhere.

By deflecting attention from Putin’s actions, and also playing into Putin’s hands, Trump’s leaving Europe in a worse position, undermining US national and economic security by the day, and the GOP is cheerleading all this bullshit because more than a few think Putin is someone to emulate - an autocrat whose views they tend to share without regard to the consequences (or perhaps because of the consequences).

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:36:38am

re: #145 HappyWarrior

The book has been pretty enlightening, though, particularly in showing the role many women played in the resistance efforts, especially those who coordinated, at great risk to their lives and their families, the safe conduct back to allied countries of pilots shot down in occupied territory.

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fern01  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:37:50am

re: #99 Sir John Barron

The Poles, they cheer me! Bigly! Not like the loser Brits! Everybody loves me here! They know I’m making America great again!

Polish government to bus people to Warsaw to cheer Donald Trump during his speech

independent.co.uk

They promised him a cheering crowd!

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Birth Control Works  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:39:19am
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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:39:47am

Amazing (well, not really) that Hobby Lobby can participate in the theft of antiquities, lie about it (by identifying the artifacts as tiles, and not ancient items stolen from Iraq), and get a $3 million fine where no one goes to prison despite key officials in the company actively involved in the scheme, but if you sell unstamped cigarettes, or jaywalk, or play with a toy gun, you can get killed by cops (or see prison for smoking weed in the wrong state).

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darthstar  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:42:00am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:42:56am

re: #149 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Trump’s busy spewing stuff he doesn’t understand, and attacking the US intel community, Obama, and deflecting attention from Russia’s meddling actions.

Pence, of course, calls Trump’s speech historic. Nothing historic about it. There’s nothing new there. Trump belatedly agrees that there’s an Article 5 commitment, but his staff and GOP have been on an ongoing apology tour to paper over all Trump’s bullshit.

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Trump doesn’t understand Poland’s unique history and post-WWII position behind the Iron Curtain. Or that Russia continues attempting to meddle in the affairs of Russian border countries. Or that Russia’s efforts against the US emboldened them to redouble their efforts elsewhere.

By deflecting attention from Putin’s actions, and also playing into Putin’s hands, Trump’s leaving Europe in a worse position, undermining US national and economic security by the day, and the GOP is cheerleading all this bullshit because more than a few think Putin is someone to emulate - an autocrat whose views they tend to share without regard to the consequences (or perhaps because of the consequences).

Historically bad maybe.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:43:06am

re: #153 lawhawk

Amazing (well, not really) that Hobby Lobby can participate in the theft of antiquities, lie about it (by identifying the artifacts as tiles, and not ancient items stolen from Iraq), and get a $3 million fine where no one goes to prison despite key officials in the company actively involved in the scheme, but if you see unstamped cigarettes, or jaywalk, or play with a toy gun, you can get killed by cops (or see prison for smoking weed in the wrong state).

Melanin, wealth, and religious test of the perpetrator of a crime.

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Belafon  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:44:05am

re: #125 Birth Control Works

THey vote on the Illinois Budget today —to overide the veto.

It would be nice if Illinois started paying it’s bills.

I’ve heard an advertisement/recruiting spot for Volunteer Fire Fighters several times over the last few days.

I keep thinking, “Egad, is this what the GOP really wants?”

Yes, yes they do. My very wealthy city of 40K has a mostly volunteer fire department, and every year, the city brags about how much they save in taxes having volunteers. Republicans don’t believe in paying for labor.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:44:15am

re: #153 lawhawk

Amazing (well, not really) that Hobby Lobby can participate in the theft of antiquities, lie about it (by identifying the artifacts as tiles, and not ancient items stolen from Iraq), and get a $3 million fine where no one goes to prison despite key officials in the company actively involved in the scheme, but if you see unstamped cigarettes, or jaywalk, or play with a toy gun, you can get killed by cops (or see prison for smoking weed in the wrong state).

“America is a business”

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darthstar  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:45:55am
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Birth Control Works  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:46:12am

re: #157 Belafon

Yes, yes they do. My very wealthy city of 40K has a mostly volunteer fire department, and every year, the city brags about how much they save in taxes having volunteers. Republicans don’t believe in paying for labor.

that’s great if your community has the personnel resources —people who can and do respond —people who will be reliable. I just can’t see a community of mostly single mothers being able to do that. Some people have to get up in the morning and work and can’t be on call.

I am more than willing to pay for a professional Fire Department.

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jeffreyw  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:47:15am

Imgur
Good morning!

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:47:41am

re: #159 darthstar

Good. Then we nail their sorry asses to the wall.

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Belafon  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:48:37am

re: #160 Birth Control Works

that’s great if your community has the personnel resources —people who can and do respond —people who will be reliable. I just can’t see a community of mostly single mothers being able to do that. Some people have to get up in the morning and work and can’t be on call.

I am more than willing to pay for a professional Fire Department.

I am, too. I am a member of CERT, a volunteer group of citizens that helps with emergencies like tornadoes. I believe there are times when you need more than the regular responders, and that people should be trained. But fires are things that happen. We should be paying for them.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:48:51am

In the past, individuals had to contract with a fire brigade. If no one had the contract for a house or business, it just burned.

The United States did not have government-run fire departments until around the time of the American Civil War. Prior to this time, private fire brigades compete with one another to be the first to respond to a fire because insurance companies paid brigades to save buildings.[4] Underwriters also employed their own Salvage Corps in some cities. The first known female firefighter Molly Williams took her place with the men on the dragropes during the blizzard of 1818 and pulled the pumper to the fire through the deep snow.

On April 1 of 1853, Cincinnati OH became the first professional fire department by being made up of 100% full-time, paid employees.

In 2010, 70 percent of firefighters in the United States were volunteer. Only 5% of calls were actual fires. 65% were medical aid. 8% were false alarms.[5]

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Birth Control Works  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:50:02am

Napoleon Bonaparte, drawing from the century-old experience of the gardes-pompes, is generally attributed as creating the first “professional” firefighters, known as Sapeurs-Pompiers (“Sappers-Firefighters”), from the French Army. Created under the Commandant of Engineers in 1810, the company was organized after a fire at the ballroom in the Austrian Embassy in Paris which injured several dignitaries.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:51:03am

have to start my day,

bbl

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:52:48am

Nebraska will not make a decision on Trump’s request for voter data today.

omaha.com

Six state senators are urging Secretary of State John Gale to oppose the request (five Democrats, one Republican). One senator (a Republican) is urging Mr. Gale to comply.

In Nebraska, a person who is a victim of domestic violence or is concerned about stalking can request the state not release their personal data under the law. (For concerned voters here, it would seem flooding the SoS office with those requests would foul up the plan to try to get our state voter data).

Jane Kleeb (Democratic Party Chair) opposes this on grounds of privacy, while the GOP Party Chair Dan Welch says her concerns are overblown.

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darthstar  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:55:58am
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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:56:11am

re: #164 Birth Control Works

About 70% of firefighters in the US are still volunteer. 30% are professional; and of the 30% - 70% of those are in cities of 25,000 or more (cite).

There’s a reason for that - that’s where the people are, and the need for specialization (like NYC has specialized training for skyscrapers, multiple building types, water, air, sea, etc.)

My town has a combination. We have a volunteer fire department unit, but there’s also a professional department too (one that has the town’s ladder truck and other specialized equipment).

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:56:30am

re: #81 freetoken

That’s easy. Trudeau and Macron will just start speaking French in front of Trump without translating, then Trump will wander off looking for the food and get lost.

With a few “Oui! Oui!’s”, Trump will feel left out, reach into his pocket and pull out the pee tape to show them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:58:59am

re: #160 Birth Control Works

that’s great if your community has the personnel resources —people who can and do respond —people who will be reliable. I just can’t see a community of mostly single mothers being able to do that. Some people have to get up in the morning and work and can’t be on call.

I am more than willing to pay for a professional Fire Department.

We don’t have such resources here (obviously). Thus, our Fire Department is organised as a non-profit corporation, and obtains grants and donations for equipment and such. Firefighters are volunteers (except the Fire Chief who is paid).

If we didn’t have our volunteer brigade, the nearest (paid) fire department would be over sixty miles away.

Our village brigade is equipped with special equipment such as half-track trucks that can climb difficult sand hills or go into crevasses and canyons, large tanker trucks to take water to rural areas of our county and the county to the east, &c.

One of our conservatives on the village board floated the idea of charging the Fire Department for water (they get it free under village ordinances). I was like “are you kidding?” It is not hurting our town to supply water at no cost to the fire department. Put a bill like that on them and it might kill the volunteer fire department.

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darthstar  Jul 6, 2017 • 6:59:35am
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sagehen  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:00:17am

re: #135 Barefoot Grin

Matt Lewis on CNN: “Trump’s not getting the credit he deserves for strong Warsaw speech; he forcefully argued for [Western] civilization.”

Some of us have a different response when we hear Stephen Miller’s “battle for Western civilization” rhetoric put into Trump’s mouth.

I’m just grateful he didn’t tell any Polack jokes.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:01:34am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:01:48am

re: #173 sagehen

I’m just grateful he didn’t tell any Polack jokes.

He’s becoming more presidential every day… .

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:02:34am

re: #147 darthstar

Well, Twitter has done that to me 3X because I hurt the fee fees of several right wing assholes…

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:06:33am

re: #135 Barefoot Grin

Matt Lewis on CNN: “Trump’s not getting the credit he deserves for strong Warsaw speech; he forcefully argued for [Western] civilization.”

King Orange didn’t literally fall flat on his face so he deserves bigly credit.

//

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:08:05am

Off-Topic: Still waiting to hear if my new windscreen got back from vacation in Montana yet. We’re starting to run low on certain food items because we can’t drive our car - if this continues I might have to hire someone to take me into town to go shopping.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:17:29am

re: #178 Anymouse 🌹

Drive in reverse. :)

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Teukka  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:17:34am

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William Lewis  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:18:45am

re: #178 Anymouse 🌹

Off-Topic: Still waiting to hear if my new windscreen got back from vacation in Montana yet. We’re starting to run low on certain food items because we can’t drive our car - if this continues I might have to hire someone to take me into town to go shopping.

Sounds like you need a wwi leather pilot’s helmet & goggles :)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:19:01am

re: #179 covfefe

Drive in reverse. :)

LOL. I’ll back up sixteen miles to the grocery store. Open the back hatch and I probably would have a better view anyway.

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nowherenorth2  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:21:59am

And cilizza continue his lovely praise of trump on CNN.

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Belafon  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:22:54am

re: #182 Anymouse 🌹

LOL. I’ll back up sixteen miles to the grocery store. Open the back hatch and I probably would have a better view anyway.

Let your wife be the navigator, telling you whether to go left or right. See how much you really trust each other.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:23:49am

re: #184 Belafon

But going backwards, is left actually right? *snicker*

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Belafon  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:26:29am

re: #185 covfefe

But going backwards, is left actually right? *snicker*

Everything’s always politics with you, isn’t it?! //

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JordanRules  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:34:13am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:36:38am

Yay, my windscreen will be here at noon.

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:37:15am

re: #187 JordanRules

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:37:57am

Hello from Los Angeles. Locals coping-Heat advisory On, fire risk is High, air quality Poor in most areas. Grateful to be comfortable in the ac.

Pulled some interesting stuff from the ‘net on that ICBM test from NK. Paged.

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Belafon  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:40:32am

re: #189 lawhawk

From what I understand, since they’re not allowed to fly Nazi flags, it’s makes the perfect stand-in.

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ObserverArt  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:40:52am

re: #61 Targetpractice

This is the “Golden Age” that wingnuts wish they could return to, before all them “job-killing regulations” started coming into effect. Rivers slick with an oil-sheen, the air so thick with cancerous fumes that you can’t see sunlight, children playing as arsenic and lead rains down upon them, and garbage piled high enough that you can’t see the horizon past it. When you hear Boomers talk about how “great” things were when they were growing up, this is the reality that they refuse to talk about.

All boomers? I don’t think so. That is a mighty big generalization.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:42:59am

re: #187 JordanRules

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WTF.

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Belafon  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:43:37am

re: #192 ObserverArt

All boomers? I don’t think so. That is a mighty big generalization.

I didn’t see the word all, just those who talk about how great things were. OTOH, Targetpractice is ignoring those who yearn for the days of lynching.

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darthstar  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:44:03am

re: #187 JordanRules

I’m more impressed that they got to Poland in a ‘66 Rambler.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:46:26am

re: #192 ObserverArt

All boomers? I don’t think so. That is a mighty big generalization.

White boomers. All the toxic garbage was dumped where the negro people lived, so the white kids never saw any of it.

OK NOT ALL WHITE BOOMERS, just the Republican ones.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:47:19am

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:49:54am
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Weaselone  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:51:13am

re: #135 Barefoot Grin

Matt Lewis on CNN: “Trump’s not getting the credit he deserves for strong Warsaw speech; he forcefully argued for [Western] civilization.”

Some of us have a different response when we hear Stephen Miller’s “battle for Western civilization” rhetoric put into Trump’s mouth.

Trump’s remarks on this really are quite interesting. He’s talking about the West vs. Islam, but the Polish audience interprets it as the West vs. Russia.

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William Lewis  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:54:13am

re: #188 Anymouse 🌹

Yay, my windscreen will be here at noon.

Having gotten wheels again after a couple of months on a bicycle, I find I sympathize as I’d have never previously been able to ;)

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:56:20am
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William Lewis  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:56:45am

re: #199 Weaselone

Trump’s remarks on this really are quite interesting. He’s talking about the West vs. Islam, but the Polish audience interprets it as the West vs. Russia.

He really doesn’t get that the Poles hate the Russians does he? Nor that they have really fucking good reasons to?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:57:55am

re: #201 FormerDirtDart

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 6, 2017 • 7:58:31am

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:01:13am
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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:01:33am
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JordanRules  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:02:13am
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Jenner7  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:03:35am

Ugh.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:04:46am

re: #201 FormerDirtDart

8 fucking years and this is what they came up with. 8. Fucking. Years.

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Jenner7  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:05:24am

Guess who didn’t need bussed in crowds??

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:06:18am

re: #199 Weaselone

Trump’s remarks on this really are quite interesting. He’s talking about the West vs. Islam, but the Polish audience interprets it as the West vs. Russia.

Yep. And in some ways the alt right version of “civilization” corresponds to the Russian version (sans Orthodox church).

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:07:43am

re: #199 Weaselone

Boy, is Poland in for a surprise. Again.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:08:26am
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JordanRules  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:10:46am

re: #209 covfefe

And had THE nerve to ask the smart lady (aka the real election winner), “oh yeah well where’s yours!?!?”, while she was minding her own damn business yesterday. And she was like, no worries, I already did my work, but you can use it because I’m used to having to do the actual work and it helps my country.

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William Lewis  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:13:54am

re: #213 FormerDirtDart

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But you aren’t rich, white & male. Therefor you have to assert your right to vote at every moment & be willing to defend it with your life if need be. That’s the reality when Republican’s control states: They only back down when you can scare them by being serious enough about fighting for your rights that they fear they will die first.

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ObserverArt  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:16:16am

re: #194 Belafon

I didn’t see the word all, just those who talk about how great things were. OTOH, Targetpractice is ignoring those who yearn for the days of lynching.

I used the word all because he said “When you hear Boomers talk about how “great” things were when they were growing up, this is the reality that they refuse to talk about.”

That implies all. It fails to take in the hippies that were for clean air and water and then there were those that started Earth Day in 1970 which was all about cleaning up the planet. They sure were not talking about how great things were. They were all boomers.

I’m a boomer, and I have never said things were great as far as the environment. I remember the jokes about the Cuyahoga River burning in Cleveland. I remember how funky Lake Erie was, and how bad many streams and rivers were. I remember the bright rust colors of a creek that ran by the Steel Mill not to far from where I lived…and the smell as I passed by riding my bike. Nothing great about any of it.

How many refuse to talk about it? I’ve seen plenty of comments here about the pollution back in the 50s, 60s and 70s. It wasn’t that long ago many of us LGF boomers were talking about coal and how dirty the cities were because of it.

It’s not a big thing, but it is wrong.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:23:48am

re: #201 FormerDirtDart

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Fine. I’ll send the bills for Humira to TexASS Senator Cornholio!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:28:03am
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Teukka  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:29:12am

Police raid Ukrainian software firm tied to global cyberattack

Long story short, the Ukrainians say the evidence points to Russian origin of the malware notPetya, Kremlin reacts too quickly denying it. Problem is, what if it is some Russian gangsters and not the Kremlin behind it…

One worrying point with notPetya is the report that there is no way to decrypt the contents.

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piratedan  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:31:21am

re: #213 FormerDirtDart

well Stacy, if you voted for a Democrat or registered as a Democrat, be prepared to do this every fucking year if the GOP has their way.

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Jenner7  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:34:04am

Apologies if this was posted before..

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:35:56am

Bernie supporters WTF?

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Bubblehead II  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:36:32am

re: #221 Jenner7

Apologies if this was posted before..

No need to apologize. The look on tRumps face is priceless.

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William Lewis  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:36:38am

re: #219 Teukka

Police raid Ukrainian software firm tied to global cyberattack

Long story short, the Ukrainians say the evidence points to Russian origin of the malware notPetya, Kremlin reacts too quickly denying it. Problem is, what if it is some Russian gangsters and not the Kremlin behind it…

One worrying point with notPetya is the report that there is no way to decrypt the contents.

Well, I’d say that anything _can_ be decrypted, the question is if it is worth it for those who can. The NSA have more than enough computrons to break anything eventually. Is it worth it is the real question. That’s the decision that the Russians are playing us against.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:39:23am
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:41:46am

re: #225 goddamnedfrank

We have a Jewish Saint? Bernie Sanders? Oy Vey. I have heard of politics making for strange bedfellows but this one is out there.

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Belafon  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:44:18am

re: #222 goddamnedfrank

Bernie supporters WTF?

I can’t get on twitter at work, so I feel like I’m missing something, but I’m going to say this: If you want a system because it’s name sounds like what you want, then get lost. Whatever health care we get to has to evolve from our current system, and cover everyone. The system in the US will not be single payer in the pure sense of the word, no matter how far it gets. But if it solves most of our problems, and covers basic and extreme care in our country and lowers our costs, then awesome.

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CongoJack  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:46:43am

re: #213 FormerDirtDart

re: #220 piratedan

If I may share a story from my life…

After I graduated college and finished my internship with a US Senator I went out in the world to find a job in politics that would affect change. To that end I wanted to do voter registration and since I did a good amount of volunteer work in college with COPIRG (Colorado arm of USPIRG) doing voter registration I was motivated and found a job that paid very little but I wanted the job… bigly.

I went to Denver to interview (nice area next to the Coor’s Field) and went in dressed in a suit and tie (though everyone there, including the person interviewing me were in jeans and tshirt). The interviewer knew the person I volunteered with in college and spent half of the time complaining about that person and attempting to get me to agree with him that the other person was horrible (the guy was just a normal guy - from a rich family - but a really nice liberal individual). Interviewer, after not getting me to badmouth the college coordinator (person I volunteered with) asked me if I had any questions.

I said I had one question, “At what point does this organization stop being non-partisan and starts going after Republicans for attempting to take the right of the vote away from people (this was in 2012 - much worse today). I don’t see Dems taking away the rights of the people; isn’t it time to get this organization off the fence?”

I was escorted out by staff.

Every once in a while I wonder what the interviewer thinks now. If they should actually go after those who want to take away a citizen’s voting rights.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:48:57am
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:53:51am

re: #227 Belafon

I can’t get on twitter at work, so I feel like I’m missing something, but I’m going to say this: If you want a system because it’s name sounds like what you want, then get lost. Whatever health care we get to has to evolve from our current system, and cover everyone. The system in the US will not be single payer in the pure sense of the word, no matter how far it gets. But if it solves most of our problems, and covers basic and extreme care in our country and lowers our costs, then awesome.

I can see us getting to Single Payer in my lifetime, but not if the people selling it lie about what it really is or cast it in Pollyanna ass terms such as “there is no payer.”

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2017 • 8:59:40am

re: #229 FormerDirtDart

Trump hasn’t been to a Home Depot, so how’d he know?

It’s also a seasonal business, and the spring/summer is prime business for HD/Lowes.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 6, 2017 • 9:04:24am

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

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Like going into the book store and asking the clerk where the self help books are. Isn’t that accepting defeat right off the bat?

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2017 • 9:08:25am
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Ace-o-aces  Jul 6, 2017 • 9:09:28am
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 6, 2017 • 9:10:18am

re: #233 lawhawk

small point one “L” in Marshal not two.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2017 • 9:11:09am

re: #231 lawhawk

Trump hasn’t been to a Home Depot, so how’d he know?

It’s also a seasonal business, and the spring/summer is prime business for HD/Lowes.

Trump hires contractors, who buy their supplies at a Home Depot before doing the work that he doesn’t pay them for (and stiff them for the stuff they bought at HD)

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 6, 2017 • 9:12:07am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2017 • 9:12:20am
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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2017 • 9:19:17am

It’s a day ending in Y: More Trump bullshittery:

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 6, 2017 • 9:21:52am

re: #231 lawhawk

Trump hasn’t been to a Home Depot, so how’d he know?

It’s also a seasonal business, and the spring/summer is prime business for HD/Lowes.

Isn’t the founder of HD a RWNJ? Nice endorsement by Trump.

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Teukka  Jul 6, 2017 • 9:23:18am

re: #240 Barefoot Grin

Isn’t the founder of HD a RWNJ? Nice endorsement by Trump.

You can build a shelter without resorting to financing HD.

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ObserverArt  Jul 6, 2017 • 9:34:26am

re: #239 lawhawk

It’s a day ending in Y: More Trump bullshittery:

Washington Post ✔ @washingtonpost
In Poland, Trump offers a questionable credential: Polish Americans preferred me to Clinton wapo.st
12:14 PM - 6 Jul 2017

I think this is just like the lead singer in the band saying the drummer is from the city/country they are playing in that night.

If this is Thursday, then we must be in Poland. Johnny our drummer is Polish.

He’s also been from France, Germany, Holland, England and Spain.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 6, 2017 • 9:39:15am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 9:41:10am

re: #243 Ace-o-aces

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That’s now how lawsuits work, Reverend Griffty MacGrifter.

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Bear  Jul 6, 2017 • 9:41:29am

Hope things get better today. Found that one of the cats threw up a hairball into one of my shoes. UGH!

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KGxvi  Jul 6, 2017 • 9:42:13am

re: #54 JordanRules

Something something mo(u)rning in America

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2017 • 9:43:09am

re: #242 ObserverArt

I think this is just like the lead singer in the band saying the drummer is from the city/country they are playing in that night.

If this is Thursday, then we must be in Poland. Johnny our drummer is Polish.

He’s also been from France, Germany, Holland, England and Spain.

Which is funny because he’s actually Japanese.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 6, 2017 • 9:44:25am
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KGxvi  Jul 6, 2017 • 9:45:14am

re: #240 Barefoot Grin

Isn’t the founder of HD a RWNJ? Nice endorsement by Trump.

Arthur Blank? The owner of the Falcons? Hadn’t heard that. But according to Wikipedia he’s part of the Giving Pledge in which he’s agreed to donate half of his net worth, that doesn’t sound very RWNJ-y

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 9:45:59am

re: #249 KGxvi

Arthur Blank? The owner of the Falcons? Hadn’t heard that. But according to Wikipedia he’s part of the Giving Pledge in which he’s agreed to donate half of his net worth, that doesn’t sound very RWNJ-y

I think Blank is a Dem.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 6, 2017 • 9:46:35am
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sagehen  Jul 6, 2017 • 9:48:48am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

White boomers. All the toxic garbage was dumped where the negro people lived, so the white kids never saw any of it.

OK NOT ALL WHITE BOOMERS, just the Republican ones.

Um… Southern Californians of all ethnicities were/are super-environmentalist, then and now. Because the air is everywhere for everyone, no amount of wealth and privilege is going to make Beverly Hills air any more breathable than El Monte air.

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jaunte  Jul 6, 2017 • 9:55:43am

re: #251 FormerDirtDart

Supply and demand theory from a guy who failed his “Meat” course.

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jaunte  Jul 6, 2017 • 9:56:37am

Oh, sorry, “got a D in his ‘Meat’ course.”
mic.com

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 6, 2017 • 9:59:51am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2017 • 9:59:54am

*eyeroll*

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:00:40am

re: #253 jaunte

Supply and demand theory from a guy who failed his “Meat” course.

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jaunte  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:01:23am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:04:58am

re: #258 jaunte

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His historic ignorance is bad and sad. Seriously though, he’s a moron.

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Belafon  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:06:11am

re: #258 jaunte

“But they’re my biggest supporters!”

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Belafon  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:06:33am
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:07:52am
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jaunte  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:09:11am
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BeachDem  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:10:47am

re: #242 ObserverArt

I think this is just like the lead singer in the band saying the drummer is from the city/country they are playing in that night.

If this is Thursday, then we must be in Poland. Johnny our drummer is Polish.

He’s also been from France, Germany, Holland, England and Spain.

Heh. I was thinking last night that the yam’s schtick “on tour” is just like when bands open their shows with “HELLO—insert name of city” except that he probably has no idea where he actually is at any given time.

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sagehen  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:11:22am

Report: Trump Couldn’t Find A Hamburg Hotel Room In Time For G20 Summit
talkingpointsmemo.com

President Donald Trump apparently waited too long to book a hotel room for the G20 summit in Hamburg, and other world leaders snapped up every luxury hotel in town, according to a report published Wednesday by BuzzFeed.

BuzzFeed cited local German-language outlets reporting that Trump, whose name is associated with an international hotel chain, was unable to book a room in the Four Seasons (occupied by Saudi Arabia’s King Salman) or any other luxury hotel in Hamburg by the time Trump’s staff called in search of board.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:11:23am

re: #263 jaunte

The head of the Office Of Government Ethics has resigned.

He sent this out June 28th, and resigns today…
Hmmm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:13:01am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:15:13am

re: #265 sagehen

Report: Trump Couldn’t Find A Hamburg Hotel Room In Time For G20 Summit
talkingpointsmemo.com

Amateurs.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:15:22am
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jaunte  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:16:09am

re: #266 FormerDirtDart

The Trumpers are going to try to spin the dearth of capable people willing to work for a corrupt administration as creating great taxpayer savings on executive branch salaries.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:17:09am

re: #270 jaunte

The Trumpers are going to try to spin the dearth of capable people willing to work for a corrupt administration as creating great taxpayer savings on executive branch salaries.

Taxpayers will end up paying more in the end.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:17:17am
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Belafon  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:18:00am

re: #271 HappyWarrior

Taxpayers will end up paying more in the end.

See “Greatest Health Care in the World.”

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Charles Johnson  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:18:27am
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jaunte  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:18:42am

re: #271 HappyWarrior

Look at all the money banks could save on locks, safes, guards and alarms.

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Kragar  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:19:11am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:21:14am

re: #265 sagehen

Maybe there’s a manger nearby since there’s no room at the inn! 😏

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:21:23am

re: #274 Charles Johnson

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The Nazis were Socialists, its in their name is a strong contender for second. But seriously I love how we’re the KKK and at the same time ruining this country with support of immigrants and diversity. Conservatives are goddamned morons about history.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:22:00am

re: #265 sagehen

Report: Trump Couldn’t Find A Hamburg Hotel Room In Time For G20 Summit
talkingpointsmemo.com

re: #268 HappyWarrior

Amateurs.

It’s not a bug, it’s a feature…

“…Trump’s staff is instead staying at the U.S. Consulate General in Hamburg, according to the report, and the President is staying in Hamburg’s official Senate guest house guarded by police, according to an Associated Press report cited by BuzzFeed.

The Senate guesthouse is located at the address “Schöne Aussicht 26,” or “Beautiful View 26,” near the city’s Islamic center and the Russian general consulate….”

It’s easier when you’re closer to your handlers…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:22:18am

re: #276 Kragar

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Yep. But it’s not racist.// Because ya know Polish CSA heritage.//

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:23:14am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:24:17am

re: #281 FormerDirtDart

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Yep. Assenge can piss off with his fauxrage. Pig fucker.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:27:38am

re: #276 Kragar

The rebel square dance is an event in Brazil, where many defeated Southerners fled because slavery was still legal there. (Brazil abolished slavery in the 1880’s)

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Charles Johnson  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:28:43am

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:29:09am

good grief

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Charles Johnson  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:29:33am
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BeachDem  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:29:51am

Who says this kind of crap about themselves?

“I mean, there are people that I know who know we are good people, quality people, you know, nice people, honest people, sincere, whatever other words you can put to it…

Rhetorical question—of course it was a yam spawn. And apparently eric son of yam learned a new word today—visceral. Use visceral (as many times a possible) in a sentence, son of yam:

“And then you look at the visceral hatred and it’s visceral…

Go away and run your phony charity and your money-laundering business, eric son of yam.

talkingpointsmemo.com

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:30:27am

re: #270 jaunte

The Trumpers are going to try to spin the dearth of capable people willing to work for a corrupt administration as creating great taxpayer savings on executive branch salaries.

I didn’t catch the italics when I initially read Shaub’s resignation letter

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Charles Johnson  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:31:34am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:32:09am

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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He’ll soon be giving this speech

Men of the West - LOTR [HD-1080p]

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:37:47am

re: #286 Charles Johnson

An explicitly white nationalist speech, full of the same talking points you see on neo-Nazi websites

And, the crowd was built for such a speech.
The nationalistic Polish “Law and Justice” Party gathered their flock just for Trump

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Charles Johnson  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:39:36am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:41:22am
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ObserverArt  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:44:56am

re: #259 HappyWarrior

His historic ignorance is bad and sad. Seriously though, he’s a moron.

Trump fits the phrase I like to use for ignorant folks: He’s too stupid to realize how stupid he is.

And yet, he lives a big life and got elected President.

Our country has too many stupid people that do not realize how stupid they are. So they chose someone just like them. Proudly ignorant.

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darthstar  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:48:40am

Another blocker lifted for Trump!

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darthstar  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:49:24am

re: #295 darthstar

Another blocker lifted for Trump!

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Yeah, the Director of the government’s ethics department just said, “Fuck it.”

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Charles Johnson  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:50:12am
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darthstar  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:50:22am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:50:36am

and then:

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Alephnaught  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:50:58am

re: #234 Ace-o-aces

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Hmm. Do they also complain that WW2 was unfavourable to the Nazis as well?

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darthstar  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:52:13am
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darthstar  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:53:19am

He probably got caught when he misspelled ‘Trump.’

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ObserverArt  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:54:27am

re: #300 Alephnaught

Hmm. Do they also complain that WW2 was unfavourable to the Nazis as well?

I’d be afraid to really ask them that question for fear how they may answer.

And I am not kidding.

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Interesting Times  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:54:31am

re: #294 ObserverArt

Our country has too many stupid people that do not realize how stupid they are. So they chose someone just like them. Proudly ignorant.

This by far is what upset me most about the election results. Even if HRC had won in a squeaker (with congress remaining in the grips of the GOPers), things, while not nearly as craptastically bad, wouldn’t have been all that good, either, thanks to that substantial segment of US society and the damage they continue to do :/

trump is the latest, most serious disease America caught thanks to that underlying auto-immune condition…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:56:28am

re: #302 darthstar

He probably got caught when he misspelled ‘Trump.’

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I believe the proper term for this guy is loser.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:57:43am

re: #300 Alephnaught

Hmm. Do they also complain that WW2 was unfavourable to the Nazis as well?

Remember when pretty much everyone hated Nazis?

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darthstar  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:59:12am

re: #305 HappyWarrior

I believe the proper term for this guy is loser.

He was angry at liberals for being disrespectful of Trump…seriously. Fucking idiot.

He told the newspaper that he was was taking his dog to the park on a bicycle when he found a green marker and “had the dumb idea to vandalize the school with what would seem to be liberal hate speech.”

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 6, 2017 • 10:59:27am

re: #302 darthstar

I love how this story ends:

Marks told police he vandalized the equipment “out of anger towards liberals and they are breaking major laws every day and being disrespectful towards our government,” the Courant reported.

As part of his sentence, Marks will be forced to look up “irony” in the dictionary.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:00:21am

trump isn’t the only one campaigning:

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darthstar  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:00:22am

re: #308 Ace-o-aces

I love how this story ends:

As part of his sentence, Marks will be forced to look up “irony” in the dictionary.

I’m still trying to find an example of actual ‘liberal hate speech’…

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JordanRules  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:02:09am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:03:14am

re: #307 darthstar

He was angry at liberals for being disrespectful of Trump…seriously. Fucking idiot.

He seems like a real piece of work.

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ObserverArt  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:03:27am

Bernie Sanders - Political Gadfly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:03:47am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:03:55am

re: #309 Backwoods_Sleuth

trump isn’t the only one campaigning:

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Getting started early.

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darthstar  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:03:58am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:05:12am

re: #302 darthstar

He probably got caught when he misspelled ‘Trump.’

See what you made us do!!!

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mmmirele  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:05:17am

Speaking of Neo-Nazis, the Guardian has a story about a prominent US neo-Nazi who spent four years in German prison for spreading Nazi paraphernalia around in violation of their laws. His name is Gerhard Lauck and he lives in Beatrice, Nebraska.

theguardian.com

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Teukka  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:05:54am

re: #302 darthstar

He probably got caught when he misspelled ‘Trump.’

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So stole that one XD

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Belafon  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:06:30am

re: #296 darthstar

Yeah, the Director of the government’s ethics department just said, “Fuck it.”

It looks like he thinks he can do a better job from the outside: #269.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:06:35am

re: #308 Ace-o-aces

Marks told police he vandalized the equipment “out of anger towards liberals and they are breaking major laws every day and being disrespectful towards our government,” the Courant reported.

major laws. major. every day.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:08:03am

re: #310 darthstar

I’m still trying to find an example of actual ‘liberal hate speech’…

F0ck your feelings!

Hillary for Prison!!!

Oh wait, sorry

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:08:14am

So in his zest to protest liberals “breaking major laws every day”, he violated one himself, nice going pal.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:10:45am

re: #289 Charles Johnson

THE WEST WILL NEVER BE BROKEN. Our values will PREVAIL. Our people will THRIVE and our civilization will TRIUMPH! pic.twitter.com

— Donald J. Trump

And which values would those be?

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:11:39am

re: #274 Charles Johnson

The fact that a wingnut can form an actual sentence is intellectual brilliance by their standards.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:11:58am

re: #323 HappyWarrior

So in his zest to protest liberals “breaking major laws every day”, he violated one himself, nice going pal.

They always project their own dysfunction and lawlessness onto the people they’ve been brainwashed to hate. There’s always an imagined Reichstag fire to justify their atrocious actions.

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jaunte  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:12:01am

re: #324 Sir John Barron

#1. Might Makes Right

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:12:56am

re: #326 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

They always project their own dysfunction and lawlessness onto the people they’ve been brainwashed to hate. There’s always an imagined Reichstag fire to justify their atrocious actions.

Indeed, these are people who listen to people like Limbaugh and Coulter yet insist the left is hatefilled.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:14:25am

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

*eyeroll*

Terrorism a major problem in Poland, is it?

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:14:47am

re: #308 Ace-o-aces

I love how this story ends:

As part of his sentence, Marks will be forced to look up “irony” in the dictionary.

Written on bathroom wall.

Things I hate:
1. Vandalism
2. Graffiti
3. Lists
4. Irony
5. Lists
6. Repetition
7. Inconsistency

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gocart mozart  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:14:58am

re: #234 Ace-o-aces

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:15:26am

re: #201 FormerDirtDart

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No one will buy that though because you’ll have story after story of people either (a) losing their healthcare when Medicaid is cut by billions of dollars or (b) not being able to afford insurance under Trump Care. Neither of those facts will be spinnable.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:15:38am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:16:19am

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Because His mouth is firmly on Russia’s fat tit.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:17:03am

re: #201 FormerDirtDart

Cool new Republican talking point: Anyone who loses health insurance under Trumpcare doesn’t really WANT it thinkprogress.org

— Judd Legum

That’s OUR plan, where’s YOUR plan, libtard?!?!

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:18:56am

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

.@HallieJackson: “You THINK it was Russia, your intelligence agencies say it WAS Russia, why won’t you say it was?”

— NBC News

Oh dear, this is going to make Donny Jr and the Trumpbots really, really mad.

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Belafon  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:20:33am

re: #332 Patricia Kayden

No one will buy that though because you’ll have story after story of people either (a) losing their healthcare when Medicaid is cut by billions of dollars or (b) not being able to afford insurance under Trump Care. Neither of those facts will be spinnable.

“They chose to eat rather than have health care. It’s not our fault.”

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ObserverArt  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:20:43am

re: #334 HappyWarrior

Because His mouth is firmly on Russia’s fat tit.

And so many are/were wondering if he was going to get tough with Putin and tell him to back off with the election foolery.

Hahahahahahahahahaaaa.

I’m hoping he goes the other way and lavishes so much praise on Putin it becomes more clear that he is in deep and knows Russia did what they did to help him.

Maybe Putin says something like: “Glad to have helped make America Great Again.”

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:23:33am

re: #337 Belafon

“They chose to eat rather than have health care. It’s not our fault.”

“Or they chose to buy a cell phone instead of getting healthcare.”

That may work for hardcore Trumpers but the rest of us will recognize yet another Trump lie. Trump hasn’t kept any of his promises and certainly has failed to come up with something better than the ACA.

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CleverToad  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:28:02am

The spousal unit directed me to this one. Charlie Pierce on the the Fifth of July, and on the mark as always:

esquire.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:34:16am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:34:56am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:37:31am

re: #342 Backwoods_Sleuth

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he steps out from behind the bullet-proof glass and just stands there.
and no one comes to rescue him.

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jaunte  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:38:37am

Paul Ryan has serious concerns about women’s bare arms.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:39:33am

re: #344 jaunte

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Paul Ryan has serious concerns about women’s bare arms.

Isn’t that right guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment?

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Belafon  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:39:56am

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

They’re doing it wrong. You spray bullets, not water. Water is for rich people’s pools. //

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lizardofid  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:40:05am

re: #344 jaunte

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Paul Ryan has serious concerns about women’s bare arms.

Creeping Sharia!!!!!!!!

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:40:09am

re: #345 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

lol

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:40:50am

re: #344 jaunte

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Paul Ryan has serious concerns about women’s bare arms.

Who knew that Bro Ryan was such a prude?

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Belafon  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:41:01am

re: #345 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Isn’t that right guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment?

Nope, that’s BEAR arms. I prefer black to grizzly.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:41:36am

re: #345 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Isn’t that right guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment?

Bear Arms
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Dave In Austin  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:43:48am

Clusterfuck protests in Hamburg.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:45:19am

re: #344 jaunte

Paul Ryan has serious concerns about women’s bare arms.

That’s a pretty weird restriction, as whenever I’m on The Hill (not often), the halls are pretty much a showcase of young lovelies (not that there’s anything wrong with that) wearing sleeveless dresses.

Sounds like an attempt to limit reporters access.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:45:56am

re: #353 Sir John Barron

That’s a pretty weird restriction, as whenever I’m on The Hill (not often), the halls are pretty much a showcase of young lovelies (not that there’s anything wrong with that) wearing sleeveless dresses.

Sounds like an attempt to limit reporters access.

AND BE A DICK

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jaunte  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:46:39am

re: #354 I Would Prefer Not To

Double winning.

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jaunte  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:46:44am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:46:56am

re: #354 I Would Prefer Not To

AND BE A DICK

Well, he has to try to be good at something.

/

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:47:05am

re: #352 Dave In Austin

Clusterfuck protests in Hamburg.

false flag

fake news

paid protesters

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Dave In Austin  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:48:29am

re: #358 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

false flag

fake news

paid protesters

I bet this gets uglier after the sun goes down.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:48:33am

re: #358 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

false flag

fake news

paid protesters

But I heard from someone who listens to a radio show where a guest who is sometimes on Sean Hannity says he knows someone who worked with a neighbor of Seth Rich who KNOWS the former DNC staffer was assassinated by Hillary Clinton thugs. Totally Real News.

/

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:49:29am

Speaking of fake news, has Donny Junior taken down his lying tweet about the “15 year old” Reddit user he alleges was “bullied” by CNN?

I won’t hold my breath.

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makeitstop  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:50:09am

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

he steps out from behind the bullet-proof glass and just stands there.
and no one comes to rescue him.

Yesterday I commented ‘Imagine how zoned out he’s going to be in six months.’

It’s starting to look like we’re not even going to have to wait that long.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:51:43am

re: #362 makeitstop

Yesterday I commented ‘Imagine how zoned out he’s going to be in six months.’

It’s starting to look like we’re not even going to have to wait that long.

At some point it is going to become undeniably obvious and will have to be acted on…

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:52:52am

re: #363 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

At some point it is going to become undeniably obvious and will have to be acted on…

Hey, where is everybody? Who has my teleprompter?

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:53:24am

re: #362 makeitstop

re: #363 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If there is some organic mental disorder going on, wouldn’t stress exacerbate it? And let’s face it……being POTUS has to be quite possibly the most stressful job anyone can imagine. I remember reading years ago that most Americans, when asked, would rather spend four years in the slammer than four years being POTUS.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:53:54am

re: #344 jaunte

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Paul Ryan has serious concerns about women’s bare arms.

A tight sleeveless “sheathe” dress is a uniform for Trump women & female Fox employees.

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:54:48am

re: #356 jaunte

So we can find that Trump’s spawn were registered to vote in multiple states? OR that other key Trump people were registered to vote in multiple places?

That by itself isn’t evidence of wrongdoing. It means that those voter rolls haven’t been updated (a tedious task made tougher because budget cuts always hit stuff like this).

It wont, however, find actual voter fraud, because it’s so vanishingly rare.

Heck, when it happens, there’s so few prosecutions that it makes the insistence on giving over this info dubious for its stated intention/purpose. For instance, the NC case where a prosecutor dropped a case where a woman voted for her deceased mom. The prosecutor, a GOPer, dropped the case because the woman voted for her mom, who was a Trump supporter.

Yeah, that’s some upholding of the law - and also shows just how they care about enforcing the law. Voter fraud is such a problem that the one identifiable instance, the prosecutor dropped the case.

Voter suppression is the ultimate goal here, and that’s the GOP end game. Disinfranchising people and making it tougher for people to vote (like say purging people from the voter rolls, and forcing them to re-register, demanding more info, etc., or making them fill provisional ballots subject to more scrutiny) all to give the GOP a built-in advantage.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:54:52am

re: #365 Dr Lizardo

If there is some organic mental disorder going on, wouldn’t stress exacerbate it? And let’s face it……being POTUS has to be quite possibly the most stressful job anyone can imagine. I remember reading years ago that most Americans, when asked, would rather spend four years in the slammer than four years being POTUS.

He’s only stressed about the news media not kissing his ass all the time. He doesn’t stress about the kind of stuff that would scare the shit our of any normal person.

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451_Montag  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:55:21am

re: #334 HappyWarrior

Because His mouth is firmly on Russia’s fat tit.

He’s the second man in Putin’s 2-man human centipede

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makeitstop  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:56:08am

re: #363 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

At some point it is going to become undeniably obvious and will have to be acted on…

I’d bet they’ll just stop bringing him out in public at that point. Reagan II, only with Twitter.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:58:06am

re: #365 Dr Lizardo

If there is some organic mental disorder going on, wouldn’t stress exacerbate it? And let’s face it……being POTUS has to be quite possibly the most stressful job anyone can imagine. I remember reading years ago that most Americans, when asked, would rather spend four years in the slammer than four years being POTUS.

DT is not stressing himself one bit: he does what he wants when he wants.

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KGxvi  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:58:39am

re: #363 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

At some point it is going to become undeniably obvious and will have to be acted on…

I really wonder how that plays out. If the 25th Amendment is invoked by Pence and the Cabinet, I could see a scenario where Trump just repeatedly sends letters to Congress stating that he’s able to perform the duties of the office and Congress having to take a vote telling him no every three weeks. It could be a legitimate constitutional crisis - especially if Trump sends the letter saying he can continue and then in the 4 days before the VP and Cabinet have to send the opposition notice, Trump fires everyone who signed the first one (although I suppose that would probably give Congress a basis for impeachment based on abuse of power).

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Belafon  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:59:15am

re: #371 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

DT is not stressing himself one bit: he does what he wants when he wants.

For the first time in his life, people are telling him no. And he can’t have them fired, paid off, or offed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 6, 2017 • 11:59:49am

re: #372 KGxvi

I really wonder how that plays out. If the 25th Amendment is invoked by Pence and the Cabinet, I could see a scenario where Trump just repeatedly sends letters to Congress stating that he’s able to perform the duties of the office and Congress having to take a vote telling him no every three weeks. It could be a legitimate constitutional crisis - especially if Trump sends the letter saying he can continue and then in the 4 days before the VP and Cabinet have to send the opposition notice, Trump fires everyone who signed the first one (although I suppose that would probably give Congress a basis for impeachment based on abuse of power).

It is not going to play out in any manner that does not damage the nation, its people, its economy and its standing in the world

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:00:39pm

re: #365 Dr Lizardo

If there is some organic mental disorder going on, wouldn’t stress exacerbate it? And let’s face it……being POTUS has to be quite possibly the most stressful job anyone can imagine.

Being POTUS is only stressful if you take the job seriously and want to do what’s best for the most people.

I remember reading years ago that most Americans, when asked, would rather spend four years in the slammer than four years being POTUS.

Trump may get to do both.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:01:55pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:02:40pm

re: #375 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Being POTUS is only stressful if you take the job seriously and want to do what’s best for the most people.

Trump may get to do both.

LOLOL

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:03:05pm
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KGxvi  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:03:08pm

re: #374 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is not going to play out in any manner that does not damage the nation, its people, its economy and its standing in the world

My hope is that we don’t have to go the 25th Amendment route (that always seemed more designed to deal with a Woodrow Wilson situation than the current situation). Impeachment is the best/surest way to deal with this particular cancer. Even if it means 2-3 years of President Pence.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:03:33pm

re: #373 Belafon

For the first time in his life, people are telling him no. And he can’t have them fired, paid off, or offed.

nor can he make them sign lifetime NDAs…but he is still not giving up his golf weekends

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:05:32pm

As to voter registration I personally can only relate one story because for several election cycles one person had to re-register several times because her name was the same as a deceased voter. Almost all of the information was exact and this is why she had to re-register so many times. One time I personally took her to the local police station where a judge was located and he swore her in a voter for that election. He also made a suggestion of using a middle initial or name to clear up the confusion. This is what finally cleared up the whole mess. This is a rare occurrence and if the uncouth one thinks there are more cases like this he and his people are barking up the wrong tree.

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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:05:43pm

re: #379 KGxvi

My hope is that we don’t have to go the 25th Amendment route (that always seemed more designed to deal with a Woodrow Wilson situation than the current situation). Impeachment is the best/surest way to deal with this particular cancer. Even if it means 2-3 years of President Pence.

I don’t see the 25th coming into effect with Trump. He surrounded himself with yes-men and loyalists that wont give up their power to follow their oaths of office. That includes Pence.

Trump’s repeatedly shown instability and lack of rational thought and actions/statements that suggest mental illness or cognitive issues. It didn’t matter to voters. It hasn’t mattered to the GOP leadership. They’ll use this opportunity to get away with fleecing the Treasury and burden shifting to all but the rich, not to do what’s right.

Pence wont do what’s right. I don’t see that happening.

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KGxvi  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:05:49pm

re: #380 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

nor can he make them sign lifetime NDAs…but he is still not giving up his golf weekends

I hadn’t heard this story until a couple weeks ago on Pod Save America, apparently Trump is the kind of asshole that drives his golf cart onto the greens at his own golf courses. It’s a serious breach of golfing protocol, but also shows you just how little regard he has for anything, he’s willing to tear up incredibly expensive golf greens just so he doesn’t have to walk 10 feet.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:06:36pm

re: #383 KGxvi

I hadn’t heard this story until a couple weeks ago on Pod Save America, apparently Trump is the kind of asshole that drives his golf cart onto the greens at his own golf courses. It’s a serious breach of golfing protocol, but also shows you just how little regard he has for anything, he’s willing to tear up incredibly expensive golf greens just so he doesn’t have to walk 10 feet.

and force his underpaid staff to put in more work to clean up the mess or face the consequences

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:12:34pm

re: #382 lawhawk

At that’s really the problem: The two main avenues that can be used to remove the President are both reliant on the actions of a group of people who stand to lose the most if he’s removed.

Hence, the GOP sits on their hands and rides the golden goose as long as they can.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:15:00pm

re: #356 jaunte

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“Tiny scoop: VP’s office confirmed to me fraud commission intends to run state voter rolls against various databases.”

Doesn’t one of Trump’s backers own a data-collection company?

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jaunte  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:17:06pm

re: #386 Pawn of the Oppressor

mysanantonio.com
“…Parscale ran the digital operation out of San Antonio that is widely credited with contributing to President Donald Trump’s win last year. His role as digital director included overseeing the campaign’s targeted social media outreach and helping to cull a massive database that assisted in identifying potential voters.”

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:17:33pm

re: #222 goddamnedfrank

Bernie supporters WTF?

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This is why we can’t have nice things. Two competing goddamned personality cults have hijacked our national healthcare debate. Between Trump’s supporters and Sanders stans we’re fucked.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:20:25pm

re: #388 goddamnedfrank

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This is why we can’t have nice things. Two competing goddamned personality cults have hijacked our national healthcare debate. Between Trump’s supporters and Sanders stans we’re fucked.

Sigh. These people.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:20:28pm

Windscreen is fixed. That’ll be $341 please.

Fellow told me he said to his boss this morning “I’ve never changed a windscreen on a Smart before.”

“Well, those are pretty easy.”
“How many have you done before?”
“None.”

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makeitstop  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:20:54pm

Here’s a long, interesting read - The Short, Unhappy Life of a Libertarian Paradise

It was its jut-jawed conservatism that not that long ago made the city’s local government a brief national fixation. During the recession, like nearly every other city in America, Colorado Springs’ revenue—heavily dependent on sales tax—plunged. Faced with massive shortfalls, the city’s leaders began slashing. Gone were weekend bus service and nine buses.

Out went some police officers along with three of the department’s helicopters, which were auctioned online. Trash cans vanished from city parks, because when you cut 75 percent of the parks’ budget, one of the things you lose is someone to empty the garbage. For a city that was founded when a wealthy industrialist planted 10,000 trees on a shadeless prairie, the suddenly sparse watering of the city’s grassy lawns was a profound and dire statement of retreat.

To fill a $28 million budget hole, Colorado Springs’ political leaders—who until that point might have been described by most voters as fiscal conservatives—proposed tripling property taxes. Nearly two-thirds of voters said no. In response, city officials (some would say almost petulantly) turned off one out of every three street lights. That’s when people started paying attention to a city that seemed to be conducting a real-time experiment in fiscal self-starvation. But that was just the prelude. The city wasn’t content simply to reject a tax increase. Voters wanted something genuinely different, so a little more than a year later, they elected a real estate entrepreneur as mayor who promised a radical break from politics as usual.

For a city, like the country at large, that was hurting economically, Steve Bach seemed like a man with an answer. What he promised sounded radically simple: Wasteful government is the root of the pain, and if you just run government like the best businesses, the pain will go away. Easy. Because he had never held office and because he actually had been a successful entrepreneur, people were inclined to believe he really could reinvent the way a city was governed.

The city’s experiment was fascinating because it offered a chance to observe some of the most extreme conservative principles in action in a real-world laboratory. Producers from “60 Minutes” flew out to talk with the town’s leaders. The New York Times found a woman in a dark trailer park pawning her flat screen TV to buy a shotgun for protection. “This American Life” did a segment portraying Springs citizens as the ultimate anti-tax zealots, willing to pay $125 in a new “Adopt a Streetlight” program to illuminate their own neighborhoods, but not willing to spend the same to do so for the entire city. “I’ll take care of mine” was the gist of what one council member heard from a resident when she confronted him with this fact.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:20:56pm

re: #386 Pawn of the Oppressor

“Tiny scoop: VP’s office confirmed to me fraud commission intends to run state voter rolls against various databases.”

Doesn’t one of Trump’s backers own a data-collection company?

The Mercers. Cambridge Analytica.

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makeitstop  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:21:34pm

re: #391 makeitstop

Here’s a long, interesting read - The Short, Unhappy Life of a Libertarian Paradise

This is the future that Conservatves want.

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gocart mozart  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:22:32pm
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lawhawk  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:28:14pm

re: #394 gocart mozart

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Sir John Barron  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:29:24pm

re: #394 gocart mozart

DOE Rick Perry at coal plant:”Here’s a little economics lesson: supply and demand. You put the supply out there and the demand will follow.”

— Taylor Kuykendall

I bow in humble humility at this display of great knowledge.

/

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:30:31pm

re: #396 Sir John Barron

::: headed to Cabela’s to get some hip waders :::

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Dr. Matt  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:32:32pm

In a Rick Perry “economy,” if you make enough shit sandwiches, people will start buying them up.

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JordanRules  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:34:38pm

Since the foul stars and bars made an appearance in Poland today, let’s enjoy some resistance with a funky accompaniment.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:36:30pm

re: #383 KGxvi

I hadn’t heard this story until a couple weeks ago on Pod Save America, apparently Trump is the kind of asshole that drives his golf cart onto the greens at his own golf courses. It’s a serious breach of golfing protocol, but also shows you just how little regard he has for anything, he’s willing to tear up incredibly expensive golf greens just so he doesn’t have to walk 10 feet.

He didn’t even get out of the cart…just drove it onto the green to the flag then off the green.

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BigPapa  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:36:52pm

Old acquaintance from HS that’s been a dissembling denier:

Do human beings have a genetically inflated sense of importance, vis a vis nature? Could human caused (anthropogenic) climate change, like rain dances and sacrifices to the Sun God, be just another expression of that fantastic sense of self importance? Could that help to explain the popular traction of this “science”?

A week ago he said he was a skeptic. I pointed out that rejection of evidence is not skepticism, it’s denial. Now scientists are sacrificing people.

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ObserverArt  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:37:32pm

re: #365 Dr Lizardo

If there is some organic mental disorder going on, wouldn’t stress exacerbate it? And let’s face it……being POTUS has to be quite possibly the most stressful job anyone can imagine. I remember reading years ago that most Americans, when asked, would rather spend four years in the slammer than four years being POTUS.

All that lying and denying HAS to be stressful.

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Jack Burton  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:42:05pm

re: #402 ObserverArt

All that lying and denying HAS to be stressful.

Not if you are a complete narcissistic sociopathic piece of shit. He is.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:43:32pm

re: #395 lawhawk

DOE Rick Perry at coal plant:”Here’s a little economics lesson: supply and demand. You put the supply out there and the demand will follow.”

It certainly applies to addictive substances

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:43:58pm

re: #401 BigPapa

Old acquaintance from HS that’s been a dissembling denier:

A week ago he said he was a skeptic. I pointed out that rejection of evidence is not skepticism, it’s denial. Now scientists are sacrificing people.

They always project their own lack of knowledge and superstitious natures onto the people they’ve been brainwashed to hate. They think everyone is fumbling in darkness like Conservatives.

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gocart mozart  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:47:51pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:48:07pm

re: #299 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yes, Yglasias is an idiot. Rural broadband is incredibly important to rural people, since the overwhelming majority of us don’t have it.

You noted the REA. When telephone companies first started, the first place they went was to rural areas, since communication was so difficult.

Turns out rural people care about things like communication. We might like wireless phones too.

Perhaps Yglasias is blinded by the fact he lives in a city. Send him to my town for a month; he’ll be screaming for his iPhone and computer (he can’t use my Internet service unless he pays for it, because it costs a metric fuktonne of money here).

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gocart mozart  Jul 6, 2017 • 12:50:40pm

Look at the handshake reaction LOL


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