NYT: Trump Jr., Manafort and Kushner Met With Russian Lawyer After Being Promised Damaging Information on Clinton

The smell of corruption is getting overpowering
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Yesterday the New York Times broke the news that despite his categorical denial that he ever met with Russian nationals during the Trump campaign, Donald Trump Jr. had in fact done so. The scientific term for Trump Jr.’s denial is “a lie.”

But today, the Times is bringing out more details about the meeting between Trump Jr., Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner and Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya, and now it looks even worse — because the meeting was set up because Trump Jr. expected Veselnitskaya to give him damaging information on Hillary Clinton.

President Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., was promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton before agreeing to meet with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign, according to three advisers to the White House briefed on the meeting and two others with knowledge of it.

The meeting was also attended by his campaign chairman at the time, Paul J. Manafort, and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner. Mr. Manafort and Mr. Kushner only recently disclosed the meeting, though not its content, in confidential government documents described to The New York Times.

The Times reported the existence of the meeting on Saturday. But in subsequent interviews, the advisers and others revealed the motivation behind it.

The meeting — at Trump Tower on June 9, 2016, two weeks after Donald J. Trump clinched the Republican nomination — points to the central question in federal investigations of the Kremlin’s meddling in the presidential election: whether the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians. The accounts of the meeting represent the first public indication that at least some in the campaign were willing to accept Russian help.

The Times states that when Trump’s son was contacted yesterday and asked about the meeting, he said nothing about Hillary Clinton. And today, Trump Jr. released another statement in which he basically admits he expected to get negative info on Clinton:

In a statement on Sunday, Donald Trump Jr. said he had met with the Russian lawyer at the request of an acquaintance. “After pleasantries were exchanged,” he said, “the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton. Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information.”

A big question here: who was the “acquaintance” who arranged this meeting?

To sum up, Trump Jr. apparently sees nothing wrong about colluding with Kremlin-connected Russian nationals to get damaging information about a political opponent, obtained by hacking US agencies.

UPDATE at 7/9/17 5:42:45 pm by Charles Johnson

The Washington Post has now identified the “acquaintance” who brokered this meeting:

He did not name the acquaintance, but in an interview Sunday, Rob Goldstone, a music publicist who is friendly with Donald Jr., told The Washington Post that he had arranged the meeting at request of a Russian client and had attended it along with Veselnitskaya.

Goldstone has been active with the Miss Universe pageant and works as a manager for Emin Agalarov, a Russian pop star whose father is a wealthy Moscow developer who sponsored the pageant in the Russian capital in 2013.

All righty then. So now the question is, who was Goldstone’s “Russian client?”

And here’s the icing on this many-layered cake of subterfuge and potential treason:

UPDATE at 7/9/17 5:58:21 pm by Charles Johnson

The father of Goldstone’s client Emin Agalorov is Russian billionaire Aras Agalarov, and he has previously attempted to set up meetings between Vladimir Putin and… you guessed it… Donald Trump.

Agalarov has served as a liaison between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin. According to an interview, they once discussed the construction of a Trump Tower in Russia. Agalarov had also reportedly tried to set up a meeting between the two, but this was canceled due to Putin having to meet the Dutch royal couple at the time. Putin instead sent Trump a fedoskino miniature.

As of June 2017, he had an estimated net worth of US$1.91 billion, most of which is derived from his real estate ventures. In January 2017, Forbes listed him as the 51st richest Russian.

UPDATE at 7/9/17 6:04:45 pm by Charles Johnson

Araz Agalarov was also mentioned in the infamous Steele Dossier:

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271 comments

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bratwurst  Jul 9, 2017 • 2:33:30pm
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Timothy Watson  Jul 9, 2017 • 2:36:27pm
The smell of corruption treason is getting overpowering

FTFY

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2017 • 2:36:27pm

This will not be enough to get anybody in trouble…that is the New Normal in Today’s America.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 9, 2017 • 2:38:11pm

“To sum up, Trump Jr. apparently sees nothing wrong about colluding with Kremlin-connected Russian nationals to get damaging information about a political opponent, obtained by hacking US agencies.”

He dared them to hack the DNC in the middle
of a rally. He hasn’t exactly been secretive about this.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2017 • 2:39:28pm

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

“To sum up, Trump Jr. apparently sees nothing wrong about colluding with Kremlin-connected Russian nationals to get damaging information about a political opponent, obtained by hacking US agencies.”

The GOP also sees nothing wrong with it, so that is just fine, fine, fine.

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wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2017 • 2:42:42pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2017 • 2:44:53pm
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Dave In Austin  Jul 9, 2017 • 2:45:10pm

Time for a break with some mouthwatering goodness.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 9, 2017 • 2:47:04pm

What strikes me about this is how stupid the Trumpers are.

If the Russians hint that they have damaging information on Mrs. Clinton and they are willing to give it to you, you do not go and pick it up yourself! You send a patsy so you can deny you had anything to do with it when it comes out, and it will come out.

But nooooooo. They went themselves.

The Russians must have a hell of a time keeping a straight face around these amateurs.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 9, 2017 • 2:49:32pm
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Ming5000  Jul 9, 2017 • 2:51:00pm

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

That video was only 1:47 long. Really.

It took a while for Ivanka to show up. But, there she was.

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makeitstop  Jul 9, 2017 • 2:51:39pm

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

“To sum up, Trump Jr. apparently sees nothing wrong about colluding with Kremlin-connected Russian nationals to get damaging information about a political opponent, obtained by hacking US agencies.”

He dared them to hack the DNC in the middle
of a rally. He hasn’t exactly been secretive about this.

It was actually in a press conference. But that does not change the basic facts.

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ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2017 • 2:51:46pm

This is getting good.

It is all starting to make me wonder who of the Trump clan gets sold down the river first? Will he burn any of his actual family? Or, will they all go down in a lump group under a RICO type deal?

How strong are all the family ties? We are going to find out. Would you trust Donny if he is your father-in-law…or even father?

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2017 • 2:52:51pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2017 • 2:52:53pm

re: #13 ObserverArt

This is getting good.

It is all starting to make me wonder who of the Trump clan gets sold down the river first? Will he burn any of his actual family? Or, will they all go down in a lump group under a RICO type deal?

How strong are all the family ties? We are going to find out. Would you trust Donny if he is your father-in-law…or even father?

I assume that a RICO subpoena trumps a non-disclosure agreement…DT is gonna be upset when he finds out about that…

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 9, 2017 • 2:55:26pm

re: #9 Romantic Heretic

This is what happens when you let Fredo run things instead of Michael.

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b.d.  Jul 9, 2017 • 2:58:06pm

“The Russians have some dirt on Clinton they are trying to peddle, we better call the FBI or CIA”

That’s what a real American would do.

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b.d.  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:02:43pm

The Russians were so desperate to talk about the poor orphans that they had to tell Trump that they had illegally obtained dirt on Hillary to give him so he’d listen to them?

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Timothy Watson  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:03:27pm

re: #18 b.d.

The Russians were so desperate to talk about the poor orphans that they had to tell Trump that they had illegally obtained dirt on Hillary to give him so he’d listen to them?

You think Trump would do anything for orphans otherwise?

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nowherenorth2  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:03:31pm

And it continues to show how bad things are. With the trumps.and their stupid treasonous ways.
One of my acquaintances said meeting With a country about the election for information in said election is not treason.
I said meeting with a foreign power to go against the American people and government for power is. Ask Benedict arnold if you want a history lesson.
Same man who said the past is the past it should stay there.
Same man who drives around with a confederate flag thinking that the civil war is about states rights, and we live 10 minutes from the border of Canada in new York.

But the republicans love the power and clearly continue to show liberals as bad for america and that tjis is good. Idiots in power.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:07:06pm
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stpaulbear  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:15:22pm

re: #21 goddamnedfrank

I remember that argument from last week. I like the argument you had with a Bernie Bro-ette in the last thread. No matter what kind of documentation you threw at her, she concludes that you were the closed minded one. What can you even do about people like that?

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:16:15pm
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sauceruney  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:16:54pm

They make us take ethics classes at work for dealing with vendors, competitors, intellectual property, and international trade law.

If this were intellectual property of a competitor, the correct thing for Trump Jr. to do, as a business man, would be to say “no thank you” and report the meeting to his legal team. He instead chose the route he knew shouldn’t be taken.

Unethical and illegal from a business perspective. Treasonous from an electoral perspective.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:18:02pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:18:41pm

re: #24 sauceruney

Businesses do quite frequently steal from one another, ethics be damned.

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bratwurst  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:18:59pm
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Romantic Heretic  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:19:06pm

re: #22 stpaulbear

What do you do with people like that?

Keep them away from sharp objects.

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makeitstop  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:19:13pm

re: #25 goddamnedfrank

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‘Collusion? You’re soaking in it!!’

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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:20:45pm

I’ve long believed that some form of single payer health insurance is ultimately the best way to go. But these people who think we can just go there right now are living in Cloud Cuckoo Land. There’s way too much invested in the current system to just la dee da, switch over and everything will be groovy!

Even if we forget the political problems - the GOP will fight TOOTH AND NAIL against this - there are massive current insurance systems set up that we’re not going to just wish into the cornfield.

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sauceruney  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:21:10pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh they do, and when they get caught there are (supposed to be) stiff fines and jail sentences waiting for them.

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nowherenorth2  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:23:16pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

I’ve long believed that some form of single payer health insurance is ultimately the best way to go. But these people who think we can just go there right now are living in Cloud Cuckoo Land. There’s way too much invested in the current system to just la dee da, switch over and everything will be groovy!

Even if we forget the political problems - the GOP will fight TOOTH AND NAIL against this - there are massive current insurance systems set up that we’re not going to just wish into the cornfield.

Agree 100 percent. It was even with bernie when he was running for the candidacy. I said “I like his ideas but lets be realistic, Hillary is the best candidate.”

You would not believe the amount of shit I got for that.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:23:28pm

re: #27 bratwurst

Well, investigators know where to find him

Gone Guilt.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:24:39pm

re: #32 nowherenorth2

Agree 100 percent. It was even with bernie when he was running for the candidacy. I said “I like his ideas but lets be realistic, Hillary is the best candidate.”

You would not believe the amount of shit I got for that.

We should still be able to keep up with Italy. For now.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:26:27pm

re: #31 sauceruney

Oh they do, and when they get caught there are (supposed to be) stiff fines and jail sentences waiting for them.

But what’s a $20 M fine when your profits are up more than $200 mil? Sometimes it’s worth paying the price to cheat.

And that’s a big problem in the system.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:30:35pm

re: #35 Eclectic Cyborg

But what’s a $20 M fine when your profits are up more than $200 mil? Sometimes it’s worth paying the price to cheat.

And that’s a big problem in the system.

A short “shock incarceration” can be salubrious. “We need a better class of prisoner.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:31:11pm

re: #24 sauceruney

This is the way he has operated his entire life and has never suffered any blowback. Why should he feel the situation has changed? The GOP in Washington has shown themselves to be just as complicit and uninterested in taking any action against Trump. Our democracy has been sold out to the Russians and the GOP doesn’t care

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:37:12pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

I’ve long believed that some form of single payer health insurance is ultimately the best way to go. But these people who think we can just go there right now are living in Cloud Cuckoo Land. There’s way too much invested in the current system to just la dee da, switch over and everything will be groovy!

Even if we forget the political problems - the GOP will fight TOOTH AND NAIL against this - there are massive current insurance systems set up that we’re not going to just wish into the cornfield.

Too many people don’t understand the difference between designing a system from scratch based on all current information vs trying to handle the real situation, where there is an existing system that may be imperfect, but totally upending it will lead to chaos in operation.

There is an ancient joke (ancient relatively speaking):
Q: How was G-d able to create the earth in only 6 days?
A: He didn’t have an installed base.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:40:35pm

Totally cratered the “Are You White” survey in the last thread. Seems I have not mastered the ofay aesthetic. It would have been worse if not for that damned square dance lesson.

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sauceruney  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:42:20pm

re: #35 Eclectic Cyborg

True. But this hopefully isn’t a situation they can buy themselves out of.

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jeffreyw  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:47:43pm

re: #8 Dave In Austin

Time for a break with some mouthwatering goodness.

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See ya, and raise:

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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:54:16pm
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Unabogie  Jul 9, 2017 • 3:56:37pm

Donnie’s goose is cooked. The Trump people are left with denying that Trump knew anything about this meeting, but the known, stipulated facts are that Trump, Manafort, and Kushner met, in their official capacity as campaign representatives, with a Russian mob lawyer, for the explicit purpose of obtaining illegally acquired oppo files from an enemy of the U.S.

Then they spent months denying any connection at all until they got busted.

Spin this, motherfuckers.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:02:03pm

re: #43 Unabogie

Donnie’s goose is cooked.

How many times have we heard this? His party is still not likely to turn on him unless he does something that is so damaging to their grip on power that they have to react…

I do not see that coming. So what if he lied and cheated to get elected…after all he was running against “crooked Hillary” so what is there to get upset about?

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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:02:07pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:03:11pm

I wonder who the “acquaintance” was.

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Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:04:00pm

re: #44 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I agree. Unless he dies in office I expect Trump to be a two term president, no matter what he does or what happens.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:06:48pm

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:07:10pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

I’ve long believed that some form of single payer health insurance is ultimately the best way to go. But these people who think we can just go there right now are living in Cloud Cuckoo Land. There’s way too much invested in the current system to just la dee da, switch over and everything will be groovy!

Even if we forget the political problems - the GOP will fight TOOTH AND NAIL against this - there are massive current insurance systems set up that we’re not going to just wish into the cornfield.

I’m wondering if a true hybridization of single-payer and private insurance companies would work. On one hand, the insurers get a guaranteed flow of income, but there would be a logistical issue of how regional coverages work. Even though almost all of the country has some level of medical facilities, there is going to be instances where a patient has to cross regional lines to get specific procedures performed - there’s a lot of the US that don’t have a Level I (or even Level II) Trauma Center for critical care, for example.

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Scout  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:11:05pm

Forgive me if you folks have already watched this.

An Australian newsman (apparently conservative?) offers a succinct evaluation of how Trump is ceding world leadership to Russia and China. Pretty well written, IMO.

Here’s the video:

Link

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Dave In Austin  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:11:39pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:11:42pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Sorry, you’re wrong. The POTUS is a civilian, period. One of the main tenets of the Executive Branch is CIVILIAN control of the military.

Now to make it even clearer, the tenet is made law under the Goldwater-Nichols Act. There are two civilians in the chain of command, before hitting the first military officer, the “combatant commander”.

en.wikipedia.org

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:11:58pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

I’ve long believed that some form of single payer health insurance is ultimately the best way to go. But these people who think we can just go there right now are living in Cloud Cuckoo Land. There’s way too much invested in the current system to just la dee da, switch over and everything will be groovy!

Even if we forget the political problems - the GOP will fight TOOTH AND NAIL against this - there are massive current insurance systems set up that we’re not going to just wish into the cornfield.

But if the GOP is stupid enough to pass Trumpcare, crashing the current system, Medicare for all looks to me like a good issue to run on in 2020.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:13:26pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:14:01pm

re: #37 Hecuba’s daughter

This is the way he has operated his entire life and has never suffered any blowback. Why should he feel the situation has changed? The GOP in Washington has shown themselves to be just as complicit and uninterested in taking any action against Trump. Our democracy has been sold out to the Russians and the GOP doesn’t care

True, but if Mueller starts getting indictments against people like Manafort, Trump Jr. and Kushner, things are going to start looking awfully different.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:16:27pm

re: #49 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

I’m wondering if a true hybridization of single-payer and private insurance companies would work. On one hand, the insurers get a guaranteed flow of income, but there would be a logistical issue of how regional coverages work. Even though almost all of the country has some level of medical facilities, there is going to be instances where a patient has to cross regional lines to get specific procedures performed - there’s a lot of the US that don’t have a Level I (or even Level II) Trauma Center for critical care, for example.

It’s already working with Medicare.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:16:33pm

re: #55 Big Beautiful Door

True, but if Mueller starts getting indictments against people like Manafort, Trump Jr. and Kushner, things are going to start looking awfully different.

Only if the indictments also cover Trump, Pence, and the GOP leadership.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:18:49pm

re: #49 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

I’m wondering if a true hybridization of single-payer and private insurance companies would work. On one hand, the insurers get a guaranteed flow of income, but there would be a logistical issue of how regional coverages work. Even though almost all of the country has some level of medical facilities, there is going to be instances where a patient has to cross regional lines to get specific procedures performed - there’s a lot of the US that don’t have a Level I (or even Level II) Trauma Center for critical care, for example.

I have 39 years experience as a Federal Employee. The FEHBP (Federal Employees Health Benefits Program) has two sets of benefit plans. One is offered nationwide (around half a dozen plans) and the other is state by state. You can freely move between plans during the open season. if you are in a HMO or PPP and an emergency occurs, your plan has to cover you if the facility has notified them within a 48 hour window.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:20:02pm

re: #57 Hecuba’s daughter

Only if the indictments also cover Trump, Pence, and the GOP leadership.

That isn’t going to happen. But no-one had to get an indictment against Nixon for his approval ratings to crash and him be forced out of office. If the Trump Administration is collapsing under the weight of indictments and the Congressional GOP does nothing, look for waves of Democrats elected in 2018 and 2020.

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Teukka  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:20:42pm
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Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:22:26pm

re: #60 Teukka

If only there was something like a Department of Justice to investigate these things.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:24:36pm

re: #56 Big Beautiful Door

It’s already working with Medicare.

Italy has a mixed system. Simplified, everyone gets free care for services listed in a “market basket” that is frequently changed (usually upgraded) as resources and technology permit. Individuals who want to go above the safety net can do it with private doctors, private funds, and IIRC, private insurance.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:26:55pm

re: #61 Skip Intro

If only there was something like a Department of Justice to investigate these things.

It’s busy proving the War of Northern Aggression was about the cotton trade.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:28:04pm

re: #59 Big Beautiful Door

That isn’t going to happen. But no-one had to get an indictment against Nixon for his approval ratings to crash and him be forced out of office. If the Trump Administration is collapsing under the weight of indictments and the Congressional GOP does nothing, look for waves of Democrats elected in 2018 and 2020.

But that’s only because the Congress was in the hands of the Democrats who were willing to push the investigation. We are living in a very troubled time where the entire GOP is supporting a traitor and will not investigate because their base worships Trump and the GOP doesn’t have any ethics or moral principles.

OTOH Maybe I am just being too pessimistic and there will be House Republicans who do the right thing — but I wouldn’t bet on it.

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b.d.  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:30:33pm

This Trump kid ain’t very smart, is he?

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JordanRules  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:32:00pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:32:04pm

re: #65 b.d.

This Trump kid ain’t very smart, is he?

He makes Fredo Corleone look like Einstein.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:32:08pm

re: #43 Unabogie

Spin this, motherfuckers.

“None of it matters. Fuck you!”

- Fin. -

/Trump supporters

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:34:35pm

re: #68 Pawn of the Oppressor

“None of it matters. Fuck you!”

- Fin. -

/Trump supporters

“I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:35:36pm

re: #64 Hecuba’s daughter

But that’s only because the Congress was in the hands of the Democrats who were willing to push the investigation. We are living in a very troubled time where the entire GOP is supporting a traitor and will not investigate because their base worships Trump and the GOP doesn’t have any ethics or moral principles.

OTOH Maybe I am just being too pessimistic and there will be House Republicans who do the right thing — but I wouldn’t bet on it.

Fortunately Mueller can get indictments without Congressional approval, and the voters can vote the assholes out of office if they sit there and do nothing.

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teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:37:04pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:38:47pm
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Timothy Watson  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:39:44pm

re: #65 b.d.

This Trump kid ain’t very smart, is he?

Maybe this presidency will fix the idea that rich people are naturally smarter or more able than anyone else, but I doubt it.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:41:17pm

re: #73 Timothy Watson

Maybe this presidency will fix the idea that rich people are naturally smarter or more able than anyone else, but I doubt it.

My grandmother went to her grave thinking Trump would be a great president because he was rich, and you couldn’t be rich and stupid.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:42:42pm

re: #74 Ace Rothstein

My grandmother went to her grave thinking Trump would be a great president because he was rich, and you couldn’t be rich and stupid.

Ace, I got a whole block of brainwashed relatives who believe that same exact bullshit!

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:44:03pm

re: #75 Joe Bacon 🌹

She was just one of about fifty.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:44:58pm
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b.d.  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:45:03pm


“It wasn’t heroin, it was Angel Dust, PCP - Donald Trump Jr.
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Timothy Watson  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:46:19pm

re: #77 Timothy Watson

“Talmud is a child molesters Biblel!” [sic] is what the sign says.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:46:26pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:48:00pm

re: #80 goddamnedfrank

Ray is prepared to believe whatever Ray thinks is right.

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b.d.  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:48:11pm

re: #80 goddamnedfrank

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Check and mate.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:48:13pm

re: #78 b.d.

[Embedded content]

“It wasn’t heroin, it was Angel Dust, PCP - Donald Trump Jr.

Gil Scott-Heron can explain it better!

Gil Scott Heron- Angel Dust

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Jay C  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:48:26pm

re: #70 Big Beautiful Door

Fortunately Mueller can get indictments without Congressional approval, and the voters can vote the assholes out of office if they sit there and do nothing.

Well, they certainly “can”, but WILL they?

After nearly two years of Trump fiascos, the GOP is likely to be desperate by Midterm time next year: desperate to support the Yam, since by then he will have probably alienated all but the hardcore 30% of voters. Which, given the disgraceful level of voter apathy in this country, might normally be enough to win. But faced with a “blue wave” blowout (as might happen if we still had “normal”politics in the US), I think the Republicans are going to double down and go Full Trump Maniac: it’s probably going to be seen as either that, or losing control of Congress (and seeing those hundreds of millions of dollars in grift/graft go for naught)

In any case, I’m guessing 2018 sets new records for “ugly election” campaigning.

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b.d.  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:51:12pm

re: #83 Joe Bacon 🌹

Gil Scott-Heron can explain it better!

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Video

That might just be the grooviest angel dust song I have ever heard…

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teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:51:37pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:51:51pm

re: #84 Jay C

I fully expect that Kobach will implement Crosscheck and throw millions of Democrats off of the voter rolls. Watch Republicans pass National Voter ID, prevent Early and Absentee voting. And there will be plenty of Trumpettes in front of the polls to keep “undesirables” from voting…

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teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2017 • 4:58:15pm

The willful ignorance is uniquely American.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:01:36pm

re: #80 goddamnedfrank

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teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:04:30pm

The evidence of collusion and treason for Fuckface Von Clownstick and his demon spawn is mounting. So, what does Lumpy have to say?

ZOMG HILLARY URANIUM RUSSIA!

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:04:40pm

Fredo sure has been quiet on Twitter the last five hours.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:05:30pm
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b.d.  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:07:55pm

Yep……

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:08:48pm
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Unabogie  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:09:44pm

re: #47 Skip Intro

I agree. Unless he dies in office I expect Trump to be a two term president, no matter what he does or what happens.

I get the fear of that, but people said the same thing about Bush. These people are incompetent grifters who convinced a small number of apathetic morons to vote for him on a lark, or to vote third party. Most of the “NeverHillary” people I know are horrified by Trump and the GOP, and it’ll be vastly more difficult to sell the idea that whoever the Dems nominate is just like Trump or that Trump is “to the left” of her.

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BigPapa  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:10:21pm

re: #91 Ace Rothstein

Fredo sure has been quiet on Twitter the last five hours.

There all Fredo. It’s a FredoRama.

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b.d.  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:11:49pm

re: #91 Ace Rothstein

Fredo sure has been quiet on Twitter the last five hours.

Probably on the phone with dear old dad….

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ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:12:24pm

re: #93 b.d.

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Yep……

Josh Barro, WTF???

He’s working overtime this weekend to excuse all this.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:12:38pm

re: #91 Ace Rothstein

Fredo sure has been quiet on Twitter the last five hours.

Hopefully it stays that way.

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451_Montag  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:13:47pm

Well Trump just released a statement saying he did not know of or attend the meeting.

Phew, I’m reassured now that’s been cleared up and we should obviously move on.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:13:54pm

re: #80 goddamnedfrank

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There’s a reason why we talk about civilian control of the military.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:14:33pm

re: #95 Unabogie

I get the fear of that, but people said the same thing about Bush. These people are incompetent grifters who convinced a small number of apathetic morons to vote for him on a lark, or to vote third party. Most of the “NeverHillary” people I know are horrified by Trump and the GOP, and it’ll be vastly more difficult to sell the idea that whoever the Dems nominate is just like Trump or that Trump is “to the left” of her.

I just hope whoever is the DNC pick in 2020… that they’ve never used email.

/

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:14:47pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:16:49pm

re: #87 Joe Bacon 🌹

I fully expect that Kobach will implement Crosscheck and throw millions of Democrats off of the voter rolls. Watch Republicans pass National Voter ID, prevent Early and Absentee voting. And there will be plenty of Trumpettes in front of the polls to keep “undesirables” from voting…

Are there 60 Democrats in the Senate?

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:18:59pm

This is not mere corruption. This is Treason against the United States. Seeking hostile foreign influence upon a politcial rival over the better interests of our own country and its democratic process is direct Treason.

Let us remember that Putin and various Russian Generals and government officials have routinely threatened the United States both directly and indirectly with violence and nuclear attack during the past 10 years under Putin’s control. Russia has threatened our families, our government, and our population at large routinely and yet Trump and his minions sought out their help for various reasons, notably to damage a politcal rival in Clinton. This is Treason.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:19:29pm
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Amory Blaine  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:21:48pm

re: #97 b.d.

Probably on the phone with dear old dad….

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:21:55pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:23:13pm

I thought that image looked ‘shopped

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:25:35pm

re: #55 Big Beautiful Door

True, but if Mueller starts getting indictments against people like Manafort, Trump Jr. and Kushner, things are going to start looking awfully different.

and who knows how much of his guts Michael Flynn has been spilling…

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:26:52pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:28:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:30:08pm

re: #56 Big Beautiful Door

It’s already working with Medicare.

I know quite a few people who have had organ transplants.
Without exception, their insurance was Medicare, Medicaid and/or a combination of the two.

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BigPapa  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:35:21pm

We all have bombshell fatigue. This is huge. But comparatively, it’s lost in the white noise. of all the other historically significant bombshells.

Trump either locks up an authoritarian administration or this is going to be an epic collapse which will emanate for a generation. Laws will be reviewed, reinforced, people will be jailed.. or it will go down the memory hole.

I don’t see this petering out.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:36:30pm

Hannity is losing his mind on Twitter.

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Renaissance_Man  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:38:13pm

re: #59 Big Beautiful Door

That isn’t going to happen. But no-one had to get an indictment against Nixon for his approval ratings to crash and him be forced out of office. If the Trump Administration is collapsing under the weight of indictments and the Congressional GOP does nothing, look for waves of Democrats elected in 2018 and 2020.

The difference is that the American people back then cared about crimes and impropriety in their President. The American people of today want an evil, narcissistic dictator to lead them, because liberals hate it.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:38:26pm

re: #115 Ace Rothstein

Hannity is losing his mind on Twitter.

I’d rather he lose his job.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:38:34pm
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Amory Blaine  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:38:46pm

re: #115 Ace Rothstein

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:44:58pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

I know quite a few people who have had organ transplants.
Without exception, their insurance was Medicare, Medicaid and/or a combination of the two.

I should also note that I know many more people who died whilst waiting for an organ transplant, either for availability or insurance determination.
My oldest stepson was one of those who died much too young while waiting, waiting, waiting…and worrying about finances the entire time.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:45:15pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:47:07pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:47:09pm

Goddamn. This is so freaking insane. We’re watching the whole US federal government come apart at the seams.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:48:20pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

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NOT A COLLUDER, YOU’RE THE COLLUDER!!1!

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The Spite House  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:48:49pm

re: #123 goddamnedfrank

wats happpenign i cant even

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:48:59pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:49:02pm
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fern01  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:50:06pm

re: #90 teleskiguy

The evidence of collusion and treason for Fuckface Von Clownstick and his demon spawn is mounting. So, what does Lumpy have to say?

ZOMG HILLARY URANIUM RUSSIA!

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Which is what every trump apologist will say & thank the russians for their input.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:50:27pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

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I can only imagine what the expression on Trump’s face while Reince tries to explain what “trial balloon” means.

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Scout  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:52:11pm

re: #130 Timothy Watson

I can only imagine what the expression on Trump’s face while Reince tries to explain what “trial balloon” means.

Trump just invented the term “trial balloon.” He’s the firstest guy who ever thought it up. He thinks “it’s pretty good.”

// See: “priming the pump”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:52:39pm
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BigPapa  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:54:15pm

We’re in a political China Syndrome situation.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:55:10pm

re: #133 BigPapa

We’re in a political China Syndrome situation.

This is so fucking crazy.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:55:54pm

And the week has only just begun.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:55:57pm

re: #134 Barefoot Grin

This is so fucking crazy.

Oh it’s not crazy.

It’s DANGEROUS!!!!!

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Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:57:47pm

Meanwhile, little things like Trump slipping $50 million of taxpayer dollars to his daughter’s “charity” don’t even make a splash.

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The Spite House  Jul 9, 2017 • 5:59:01pm
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TedStriker  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:00:37pm

re: #74 Ace Rothstein

My grandmother went to her grave thinking Trump would be a great president because he was rich, and you couldn’t be rich and stupid.

I take it she never saw Monty Python’s “Upper Class Twit of the Year” bit?

Monty Python Upperclass Twit of the Year

If she had, then she’d known there was a reason it was a thing.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:00:38pm

I am so TV’d out. Almost done with season 1 of The Leftovers.

Brilliant.

Now onto the mid-season finale of FearTWD.

My eyes are foggy.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:01:31pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:02:40pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:04:14pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:04:36pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:05:38pm

More like Steven ass-Mnuchin amirite?

So sorry, had to get that out of my system.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:05:57pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:08:03pm
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TedStriker  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:08:42pm

re: #78 b.d.

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“It wasn’t heroin, it was Angel Dust, PCP - Donald Trump Jr.

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Unabogie  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:10:04pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

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Call me crazy, but there almost seems like coordination between the Russians and the Trump campaign. But what do I know?

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JordanRules  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:10:12pm

I’d bet anything there is much more. This seems like the tip of the iceberg. Mueller’s got the whole enchilada.

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sagehen  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:10:40pm

re: #95 Unabogie

I get the fear of that, but people said the same thing about Bush.

You mean the Bush that was re-elected in 2004? Not a reassuring example, dude.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:12:41pm
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BigPapa  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:14:02pm

I can’t imagine cell phones, texts, and emails flying back and forth between Mueller and his team right now. The sheer volume of evidence is a chore in and of itself.

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Unabogie  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:14:04pm

re: #151 sagehen

You mean the Bush that was re-elected in 2004? Not a reassuring example, dude.

Well, I was referring to the fear that Bush would refuse to vacate the office, but point taken. The flipside to that was that Bush was still relatively popular in 2004, and the same thing can’t be said for Trump. He’s really disliked by a lot of people right now, and there’s nothing I can see happening to change that. Certainly a 9/11 type event would not accrue to his advantage like it did Bush. The days of shaming people into being “patriotic” (read, nice to the GOP) are over.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:14:13pm
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wheat-dogg  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:17:07pm

re: #153 BigPapa

I can’t imagine cell phones, texts, and emails flying back and forth between Mueller and his team right now. The sheer volume of evidence is a chore in and of itself.

They’re probably chuckling about how easy the potential defendants are making their job for them.

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sagehen  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:18:13pm

vanityfair.com

A DEFINITIVE GUIDE TO THE G.O.P. INSIDERS ENABLING DONALD TRUMP
From Paul Ryan to John McCain, Sarah Ellison takes a look at the men—and the motives—that are propping up a Donald Trump presidency.

PROFILES IN COWARDICE
House Speaker Paul Ryan, Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell, Vice President Mike Pence, Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham, and White House chief of staff Reince Priebus.

Blame for the ongoing destruction wrought by the Trump administration will always attach to Donald Trump. But Trump cannot help himself. He is a pathogen, doing what pathogens do, and as surprised as anyone to have found himself replicating in the nation’s bloodstream. Equal blame will attach to a small group of experienced and seemingly rational politicians who knew exactly what Trump was like; who had cause to loathe and distrust him; who understood firsthand that he knew nothing about government and did not care to know anything; who could see clearly that he was dangerous, brutal, and corrupt; and who nonetheless decided, after occasional protests, to help him achieve and hold power. These are people who have been repeatedly belittled and mocked by Trump, who have sometimes been forced to voice their disgust at his words and actions, and who—for reasons that range from ambition and fear to denial and moral blindness—not only have declined to stand in his way but continue to prop him up. One or more of them may ultimately decide to defy him, but nothing will absolve them of the damage already done.

Worth the read.

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teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:18:36pm
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jaunte  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:18:45pm

Suckers!

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wheat-dogg  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:18:48pm

re: #156 wheat-dogg

Seriously, anyone with half a brain would have just shut the hell up, but Trump and his boys just *have* to comment on Twitter and then inadvertently confess to wrongdoing.

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Renaissance_Man  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:19:25pm

re: #154 Unabogie

Well, I was referring to the fear that Bush would refuse to vacate the office, but point taken. The flipside to that was that Bush was still relatively popular in 2004, and the same thing can’t be said for Trump. He’s really disliked by a lot of people right now, and there’s nothing I can see happening to change that. Certainly a 9/11 type event would not accrue to his advantage like it did Bush. The days of shaming people into being “patriotic” (read, nice to the GOP) are over.

He may be disliked, but there is no Democrat currently running against him. Once there is, that person will instantly become the most liberal Constitution-hating criminal ever. FOX will make every possible accusation against that person, typically accusing them of the same things that Trump actually does. The rest of the US news media will make FOX accusations headline news every day and debate them ad nauseum. That candidate will be just as disliked within 6 months, because that’s the power of the US media. There is no path to victory for a Democrat under those circumstances. And even if he or she should somehow win, Republicans will still have large majorities of both House and Senate.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:24:02pm
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Scout  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:24:21pm

re: #157 sagehen

Thank you! I will read this now.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:25:53pm
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JordanRules  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:26:09pm

re: #163 Scout

Yes! Glad to see VF reporting on this angle.

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Bensoner  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:28:07pm

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

Is this real?
The choral singing sounds like one of those awful North Korean propaganda songs.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:29:35pm
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jaunte  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:29:37pm
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jaunte  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:31:12pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:31:24pm
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bratwurst  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:36:04pm

I wonder how Sean Hannity is handling the story tonight…

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:37:40pm

re: #170 goddamnedfrank

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:37:45pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:41:10pm

re: #172 goddamnedfrank

Almost 20 years later and that film is still one of the most original things to come out of American cinema. Delightful! Saw it in the theater four times.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:41:44pm
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jaunte  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:42:16pm

Donald Trump Jr. is an airhead.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:44:01pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

I’ve long believed that some form of single payer health insurance is ultimately the best way to go. But these people who think we can just go there right now are living in Cloud Cuckoo Land. There’s way too much invested in the current system to just la dee da, switch over and everything will be groovy!

Even if we forget the political problems - the GOP will fight TOOTH AND NAIL against this - there are massive current insurance systems set up that we’re not going to just wish into the cornfield.

(Sorry to be coming in late to this)

There are so many middle class people who are comfortable with the current system, that changing it will be nigh impossible. That’s why Obamacare tweaked the setup. We like to think there would have only been a few defections (Nelson, Landrieu, Lieberman) if we’d gone too far, but I guarantee we would have been in the couple of dozen range had we tried to do something big enough that it led straight to single-payer.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:48:48pm

re: #176 jaunte

Donald Trump Jr. is an airhead.

The unfavored first son, who has been compensating his whole fucking life.

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Jay C  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:48:59pm

re: #171 bratwurst

I wonder how Sean Hannity is handling the story tonight…

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I realize that bogus scandals larded with hysterical phony outrage are just par for the course with RWNJ media; but ISTR that this “Hillary Clinton Russia/Uranium” stuff was being barfed around a few months back: both during the campaign and afterwards. Wasn’t this crap debunked already? Or is just the usual desperate feces-flinging Hannity specializes in?

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teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:49:56pm

re: #178 Stanley Sea

The unfavored first son, who has been compensating his whole fucking life.

Lacks the T&A of his sister Ivanka.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:50:16pm

re: #178 Stanley Sea

I fully expect the orange clown to roll on his children when things get tight.

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Scout  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:50:39pm

From the Washington Post:

Analysis | Donald Trump Jr.’s stunningly incriminating statement to the New York Times

“It became clear to me that this was the true agenda all along and that the claims of potentially helpful information were a pretext for the meeting,” Mr. Trump said.

Read that last part again: “the claims of potentially helpful information were a pretext for the meeting.”

Trump Jr. confirmed that he went into the meeting expecting to receive information from the Russian lawyer that could hurt Clinton. That is a breathtaking admission.

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teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:52:49pm
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jaunte  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:53:18pm
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A Cranky One  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:57:21pm

re: #181 jaunte

I fully expect the orange clown to roll on his children when things get tight.

A malignant narcissist like Trump will do it without a second thought if it deflects any blame from himself. That applies to anyone in his circle. Anyone close to Trump who thinks he’ll return loyalty is in for a rude awakening. I just hope that as those associates see what happens to other Trump sycophants, they’ll realize they will be next. I can only hope that when that happens the floodgates will open and we’ll see an end to this national nightmare.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:58:40pm
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Belafon  Jul 9, 2017 • 6:59:49pm

re: #181 jaunte

I fully expect the orange clown to roll on his children when things get tight.

You can’t become Kingpin if you don’t take one for your dad.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:01:36pm

re: #161 Renaissance_Man

He may be disliked, but there is no Democrat currently running against him. Once there is, that person will instantly become the most liberal Constitution-hating criminal ever. FOX will make every possible accusation against that person, typically accusing them of the same things that Trump actually does. The rest of the US news media will make FOX accusations headline news every day and debate them ad nauseum. That candidate will be just as disliked within 6 months, because that’s the power of the US media. There is no path to victory for a Democrat under those circumstances. And even if he or she should somehow win, Republicans will still have large majorities of both House and Senate.

You mean like they did with Obama?

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BigPapa  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:05:27pm

The good thing is they’re not smart enough to keep the lies straight and the sheer amount of hubris won’t allow them to keep their mouths shut. But the damage is going to take a long time to recover from.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:08:02pm
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Jay C  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:10:37pm

re: #186 goddamnedfrank

For first time, top Trump staffers fear Don Jr is in real legal trouble.

The “first time” “first time”, or the “Jesus Christ! we can’t wave away this shit anymore!” “first time”??

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:12:47pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:14:38pm
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Citizen K  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:14:54pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

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The worst of all of us have truly been empowered by this administration. The ultimate in failing upward. I mean, just, fuck it, pardon Charles Manson and put him in charge of the FBI or something, just do it. It can’t be any fucking worse than what they’re already fucking doing.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:15:48pm

Ann Coulter: There are too many Jews at CNN

Ann Coulter: There Is A ‘Disproportionate Number Of Jews’ At CNN

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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:16:08pm
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Belafon  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:16:51pm

re: #194 Citizen K

The worst of all of us have truly been empowered by this administration. The ultimate in failing upward. I mean, just, fuck it, pardon Charles Manson and put him in charge of the FBI or something, just do it. It can’t be any fucking worse than what they’re already fucking doing.

The best of us will have to do what we can to stop it.

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Citizen K  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:18:34pm

re: #197 Belafon

The best of us will have to do what we can to stop it.

I mean…that’s just the fucking thing. We can’t stop it. It’s already fucking done. The best we can do is mitigate the damage and prevent it from getting worse, but there’s no taking back what’s already been done. I just hope to god we can actually turn things over eventually, because the world just looks so unendingly bleak from where we stand already.

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teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:19:38pm

Somethin’ to lighten the mood a li’l.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:23:33pm
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Belafon  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:23:37pm

re: #198 Citizen K

I mean…that’s just the fucking thing. We can’t stop it. It’s already fucking done. The best we can do is mitigate the damage and prevent it from getting worse, but there’s no taking back what’s already been done. I just hope to god we can actually turn things over eventually, because the world just looks so unendingly bleak from where we stand already.

I wonder what people would have said if we had twitter in the age of Jackson or Nixon.

We can’t stop what’s happened, but we can do what we can to put a stop to it.

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BigPapa  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:30:42pm

I’m enjoying watching the CNN show The 90’s. It’s following television now.

Strange keeping up with the Sunday PM news at the same time. So much going on.

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BigPapa  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:34:53pm

GAZE:

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Stanley Sea  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:37:30pm

NBD

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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:38:03pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

Ann Coulter helped to write the Trump campaign’s immigration policy paper nymag.com

Malkin was on sabbatical.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:38:09pm

re: #200 jaunte

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NO ONE in a potus race

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:38:25pm

New attempt at deceptive distraction being made.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:39:38pm

re: #200 jaunte

Who takes a meeting with someone without even being told her name?

John.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:40:09pm

re: #206 Stanley Sea

And what’s more, brings along the most senior people in the campaign. To meet a stranger.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:40:47pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

The whole time I was in the Navy it was pounded into our heads through military doctrine that the military is under control of the civilian government, and the Commander-in-Chief and secretaries of the military branches are civilians are precisely to maintain civilian control (that is, by the People).

I don’t know who that moran is, but I assume it is someone who has no clue what the military is about.

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BigPapa  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:43:10pm

re: #209 jaunte

And what’s more, brings along the most senior people in the campaign. To meet a stranger.

I know a guy who knows a guy.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:44:02pm

re: #211 BigPapa

I know a guy who knows a guy.

Says the horse can’t lose, can’t lose.

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LastYearsMan  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:45:27pm

So tired of the endless lies and spin. Why nit just say the truth: “I don’t care about anything as much as fighting Democrats.” Because clearly for the RWNJ, there is nothing else.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:45:51pm
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Scout  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:45:57pm

re: #212 Decatur Deb

Says the horse can’t lose.

This guy says the horse can do, can do, can do.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:46:57pm

re: #210 Anymouse 🌹

The whole time I was in the Navy it was pounded into our heads through military doctrine that the military is under control of the civilian government, and the Commander-in-Chief and secretaries of the military branches are civilians are precisely to maintain civilian control (that is, by the People).

I don’t know who that moran is, but I assume it is someone who has no clue what the military is about.

He’s playing the vague word game. We’ve used civilian to mean anyone not working in a government agency. So, if you’re a cop, you’re not a civilian; if you’re a senator, you’re not a civilian. He’s blurring that distinction.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:47:37pm

re: #215 Scout

This guy says the horse can do, can do, can do.

Come for the GOP ratfucking, stay for the Damon Runyan

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prairiefire  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:49:57pm

re: #217 Decatur Deb

Come for the GOP ratfucking, stay for the Damon Runyan

As long as I can have chicory depression era coffee and leather shoe soles.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:50:38pm

re: #218 prairiefire

As long as I can have chicory depression era coffee and leather shoe soles.

And the hats, big fedoras.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:51:51pm

re: #209 jaunte

And what’s more, brings along the most senior people in the campaign. To meet a stranger.

Liars.

Getting caught.

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prairiefire  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:52:07pm

re: #219 Decatur Deb

I do like a spectator pump.

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jaunte  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:55:37pm

Both sides!

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Weaselone  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:56:46pm

re: #207 goddamnedfrank

New attempt at deceptive distraction being made.

[Embedded content]

The writer of the article linked in that tweet is John Solomon. I’m assuming it’s the same hack that is the creative direct for Circa (Sinclair Broadcasting). He’s a hack.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:57:12pm

re: #221 prairiefire

Had to look it up.

ebay.com

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 9, 2017 • 7:58:11pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:00:36pm

Settling in for my Kamau Bell.

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ObserverArt  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:02:07pm

Early Monday morning tweets from President Orange Ass should be a little more interesting than his usual insanity. He has to start excusing Jr. and watering down the whole Trump Tower meeting connections.

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scottslemmons  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:03:21pm

I hate calling Congressional offices, because I hate getting nervous and tripping over my tongue. So I’ve been making my own postcards with homemade cartoons on one side so the rotten, rotten bastards won’t immediately throw them in the trash.

(Ugh, never mind. Instagram pix aren’t apparently working.)

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prairiefire  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:04:25pm

re: #228 scottslemmons

Thank you!

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scottslemmons  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:05:41pm

re: #228 scottslemmons

I hate calling Congressional offices, because I hate getting nervous and tripping over my tongue. So I’ve been making my own postcards with homemade cartoons on one side so the rotten, rotten bastards won’t immediately throw them in the trash.

(Ugh, never mind. Instagram pix aren’t apparently working.)

The Twitter link should work fine:

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:06:02pm

re: #216 Belafon

He’s playing the vague word game. We’ve used civilian to mean anyone not working in a government agency. So, if you’re a cop, you’re not a civilian; if you’re a senator, you’re not a civilian. He’s blurring that distinction.

Ah, something like creationists blurring the definition of the word “theory.”

“Civilian” has also been weakened in the same way. However, “civilian control of the military” means exactly one thing: Those in charge of it are not in the military (and that is by design).

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teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:11:40pm

re: #230 scottslemmons

Instagram

Postcards I’m sending to my rotten, rotten Congressmen. You should contact yours and remind them to vote against Trumpcare.

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teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:11:52pm

Hmm…

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teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:12:35pm

Instagram

Well played, @ColoradoDOT, well played.

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Belafon  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:14:44pm

I caught on WFAA that Don Jr’s defense is that he met with a woman who was claiming that she had proof Clinton was working with the Russians. Then he said her statements made no sense and so he dropped it.

They’ll just say anything, hoping something will catch. Maybe next, he can say he just met her because he wanted to see his dad’s pee tape.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:15:14pm

And the plot thickens…

Donald J. Trump Jr. was the Keynote speaker alongside two Putin allies in Russian government service at the Russian Real Estate Summit in 2008.

huffingtonpost.com

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scottslemmons  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:16:17pm

re: #233 teleskiguy

Hmm…

I dunno. Maybe the scrolling pictures break it? Maybe the code isn’t working right?

I posted the Twitter link a bit further down from the first post, so there’s that…

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teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:16:50pm

re: #234 teleskiguy

I wonder why this Instagram o’ mine posted but scottslemmons’ did not.

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scottslemmons  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:18:26pm

re: #238 teleskiguy

I wonder why this Instagram o’ mine posted but scottslemmons’ did not.

In that case, it’s because I had two photos in the same post. On Instagram, you can just scroll to the second (or third or fourth) photo, but it looks like that doesn’t work as well on a web interface.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:18:45pm

re: #236 Joe Bacon 🌹

And the plot thickens…

Donald J. Trump Jr. was the Keynote speaker alongside two Putin allies in Russian government service at the Russian Real Estate Summit in 2008.

huffingtonpost.com

Not sayin’ he’s a Russian fellow-traveller, but it’s sad to see a $200 shirt ruined by borscht stains.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:22:07pm

re: #204 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

NBD

That guy would know.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:23:38pm

re: #241 Myron Falwell

…and then look at this…

Huh.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:28:20pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

Never forget. George Will is a partisan hack.

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teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:29:43pm

Chief White House ethics lawyer for Pres. George W. Bush from ‘05 to ‘07.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:33:55pm

So obvious to anyone paying attention that the Republicans were hellbent on keeping Hillary out of the WH that they were willing to sell their country to anyone that would help. In this case, the Russians. And if successful, Trump would do all he could to keep all this under the rug. Every single one of them are traitorous pieces of shit.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:34:15pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:37:33pm

re: #234 teleskiguy

My understanding of why they did that was because people kept stealing the Mile 420 sign (road signs are actually quite expensive).

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:38:03pm

Life comes at you fast…..

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teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:40:27pm

re: #247 Anymouse 🌹

My understanding of why they did that was because people kept stealing the Mile 420 sign (road signs are actually quite expensive).

You would be correct in that understanding. They had the same problem with mile marker 69s all over the place, so they say 68.99 now.

Fact is, the tactic worked. The signs don’t get stolen anymore.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:40:49pm

re: #245 GlutenFreeJesus

So obvious to anyone paying attention that the Republicans were hellbent on keeping Hillary out of the WH that they were willing to sell their country to anyone that would help. In this case, the Russians. And if successful, Trump would do all he could to keep all this under the rug. Every single one of them are traitorous pieces of shit.

Who polices the police?

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BigPapa  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:41:09pm
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Myron Falwell  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:42:51pm

re: #249 teleskiguy

You would be correct in that understanding. They had the same problem with mile marker 69s all over the place, so they say 68.99 now.

Fact is, the tactic worked. The signs don’t get stolen anymore.

Wasn’t U.S. Route 666 renumbered for similar reasons?

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Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:43:01pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:43:31pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:44:31pm

re: #252 Myron Falwell

Wasn’t U.S. Route 666 renumbered for similar reasons?

Route 666 (now U.S. 491) was renumbered because, well, 666 (honestly). I’m sure sign thefts were secondary.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:46:35pm

re: #255 teleskiguy

Route 666 (now U.S. 491) was renamed because, well, 666 (honestly). I’m sure sign thefts were secondary.

That the parent route — U.S. Route 66 — was totally decommissioned probably was the tertiary reason.

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teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:48:57pm

re: #256 Myron Falwell

That the parent route — U.S. Route 66 — was totally decommissioned probably was the tertiary reason.

The U.S. highway system before interstates was always a little screwy with spurs and trunk routes. And can you explain Highway 6? How does that fit in with the whole numbered scheme?

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Myron Falwell  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:49:06pm

re: #251 BigPapa

[Embedded content]

“The Truth About Zootopia,” a thumbnail of nasty Nazi Lauren Southern, and multiple screeds about Germany and Sweden’s alleged “downfalls…” and this fuckface wants to be taken seriously.

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BigPapa  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:52:39pm

This is very interesting.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:53:31pm

re: #257 teleskiguy

The U.S. highway system was always a little screwy with spurs and trunk routes. And can you explain Highway 6? How does that fit in with the whole numbered scheme?

US 6 is weird in that it goes through Denver (albeit unsigned) and Cleveland but manages to avoid Chicago, New York and Boston. Until California consolidated US routes in 1964, it went south all the way to Long Beach.

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teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:55:20pm

re: #260 Myron Falwell

US 6 is weird in that it goes through Denver (albeit unsigned) and Cleveland but manages to avoid Chicago, New York and Boston. Until California consolidated US routes in 1964, it went south all the way to Long Beach.

You know of what I speak.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:56:25pm

re: #261 teleskiguy

You know of what I speak.

Yep! Few know about the magic of the G.A.R. Highway. :)

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teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:57:12pm

re: #260 Myron Falwell

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teleskiguy  Jul 9, 2017 • 8:59:00pm

re: #262 Myron Falwell

Yep! Few know about the magic of the G.A.R. Highway. :)

The Grand Army of the Republic highway. Yes, indeed!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 9, 2017 • 9:03:50pm

re: #260 Myron Falwell

US 6 is weird in that it goes through Denver (albeit unsigned) and Cleveland but manages to avoid Chicago, New York and Boston. Until California consolidated US routes in 1964, it went south all the way to Long Beach.

The Long Beach Civic Center still has the plaque indicating the terminus of Route 6.

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sagehen  Jul 9, 2017 • 9:08:38pm

re: #265 Joe Bacon 🌹

The Long Beach Civic Center still has the plaque indicating the terminus of Route 6.

When my parents moved from Chicago to Los Angeles (1955), they drove there on Route 66.

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retired cynic  Jul 9, 2017 • 9:17:23pm

re: #266 sagehen

When my parents moved from Chicago to Los Angeles (1955), they drove there on Route 66.

Rt. 66 runs nearby, and there are old landmarks and memorabilia all along the way. Nearby here means through Illinois…

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retired cynic  Jul 9, 2017 • 9:19:07pm

re: #267 retired cynic

Rt. 66 runs nearby, and there are old landmarks and memorabilia all along the way. Nearby here means through Illinois…

When my dad got out of the army after WWII, he went to work making neon signs. When we were youngsters, he used to drive the family around (in our Edsel), looking at signs he had made.

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BeachDem  Jul 9, 2017 • 9:31:28pm

re: #219 Decatur Deb

And the hats, big fedoras.

A poyson could develop a cold.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 9, 2017 • 10:03:00pm

re: #263 teleskiguy

Same here! Route 6 traverses through Avon Lake between Cleveland and Lorain; I live only two miles from it.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 9, 2017 • 10:10:38pm

re: #264 teleskiguy

The Grand Army of the Republic highway. Yes, indeed!

There is a Route 6 historical society in Ohio that has been putting up the hexagonal G.A.R. highway plates at many town and city borders.

A similar society in California has been working to establish “Historical 6” markers on the legacy route CalTrans decommissioned in 1964.


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