Monday Night Jam: Forq, “Taizo”

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“Taizo” off of Forq’s 2017 album “Thrēq,” out August 4th on GroundUP Music.

Pre-order available now:

Physical: store.groundupmusic.net
Digital (receive download of “Taizo” instantly): radi.al

Henry Hey - Keyboards
Chris McQueen - Guitars
Michael League - Bass
Jason “JT” Thomas - Drums

Recorded by Nic Hard at the Bunker Studio in Brooklyn, New York.
Mixed by Nic Hard at Atlantic Sound Studio in Brooklyn, New York.
Mastered by Dave McNair at Dave McNair Mastering in Winston Salem, NC

Video directed by Andy LaViolette for Mr. Magic Carpet Ride Productions.
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Filmed by Andy LaViolette, Simon “C.F.” Yu, and Yusuke Suzuki.

Forq logo design by Dave Croy

Management and Booking -
USA:
Eric Gerber - Royal Artists Group
Gerber.royalartistgroup@gmail.com

Europe and elsewhere:
Mike Bindraban - mike@goodmusiccompany.com

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Birth Control Works  Jul 10, 2017 • 9:43:40pm

Nevada Declares a State of Emergency After Running Out of Weed

The state of Nevada legalized the use of marijuana for anyone older than 21 in November 2016, but recreational cannabis sales officially began July 1. On Monday, however, Nevada Governor Brian Sandoval declared a state of emergency, citing the state’s low weed supply and urging his constituents to adopt some new regulation to encourage more production. Lawmakers and stoners alike can now predict responsibly that high demand and low supply will be a problem for each state that legalizes marijuana. In order to keep “emergencies” like Nevada’s from happening, we’re going to have to develop a smoother plan of attack for rolling out legal, recreational weed.

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Kragar  Jul 10, 2017 • 9:56:03pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 10, 2017 • 10:00:12pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 10, 2017 • 10:00:46pm

I swear, this whole administration is harder to follow than a season of GoT.

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retired cynic  Jul 10, 2017 • 10:01:02pm

re: #3 goddamnedfrank

Oh, gag me!

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Birth Control Works  Jul 10, 2017 • 10:01:35pm

Interesting article, considering the date. Don’t know about the source site.
CNP’s radical agenda

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Birth Control Works  Jul 10, 2017 • 10:01:48pm

re: #4 Targetpractice

I swear, this whole administration is harder to follow than a season of GoT.

I think it’s planned that way.

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JordanRules  Jul 10, 2017 • 10:02:22pm

Never forget this little diddy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 10, 2017 • 10:02:53pm

re: #4 Targetpractice

I swear, this whole administration is harder to follow than a season of GoT.

Game of Clowns

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Birth Control Works  Jul 10, 2017 • 10:04:48pm
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sagehen  Jul 10, 2017 • 10:06:23pm

hey, look, more info on natalia veseltnitskaya…

talkingpointsmemo.com

In 2013, she agreed to represent Denis Katsyv, the son of Russian railroad baron Petr Katsyv and owner of the Prevezon group. The younger Katsyv was accused of collaborating with corrupt Russian officials in the money-laundering scheme. Then-U.S. attorney and “Sheriff of Wall Street” Preet Bharara led the charge against Prevezon; the company, his office said, had used cash from the theft to buy condos in Bharara’s jurisdiction.

Katsyv had been Veselnitskaya’s highest-profile client by far, and his defense would be a world-historic success not just for the wealthy real estate investor, but for the Russian establishment under President Vladimir Putin.

snip:

The suit against Prevezon never went to trial. On March 11, Donald Trump fired Bharara, and on March 21, Nikolai Gorokhov, the Magnitsky family’s attorney and a key witness for the prosecution, fell from the fourth floor of an apartment building, apparently when a rope broke while he and others were trying to move a bathtub in through the window. He sustained head injuries.

The United States settled its case against Prevezon and its associated companies in May for $6 million, a fraction of the judgment a guilty verdict would likely have brought. Veselnitskaya declared victory on Facebook: “[A] 4-Year-old battle of the American State with a Russian citizen is over. With the Russians,” she wrote on Facebook.

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darthstar  Jul 10, 2017 • 10:10:15pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 10, 2017 • 10:10:19pm

re: #11 sagehen

Dirty, dirty, dirty.

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darthstar  Jul 10, 2017 • 10:10:57pm

Donny Jr. just got demoted to third most intelligent Trump son.

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KingKenrod  Jul 10, 2017 • 10:12:28pm

Trump can never ever be trusted. Even if you think he should be given a fair hearing first (and he should), are we willing to let him continue for months and months, making decisions about Syria, Iran, Ukraine, the EU? While clandestinely running his own businesses through surrogates?

It’s just not about being fair, it’s about not letting someone who may be compromised retain immense power. There’s a risk threshold that was crossed a long time ago.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 10, 2017 • 10:21:59pm

re: #14 darthstar

Donny Jr. just got demoted to third most intelligent Trump son.

Donny Jr. makes Fredo Corleone look like Niccolò Machiavelli.

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teleskiguy  Jul 10, 2017 • 10:23:22pm

re: #15 KingKenrod

We’ve been in Twilight Zone territory ever since Fuckface Von Clownstick won the Republican nomination.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 10, 2017 • 10:30:10pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 10, 2017 • 10:31:46pm

Some kind of thread:

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 10, 2017 • 10:33:20pm

It’s all coming together.

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darthstar  Jul 10, 2017 • 10:35:21pm

Seems legit.

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JordanRules  Jul 10, 2017 • 10:46:42pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 10, 2017 • 10:47:56pm

My poor dog. He gets so neurotic and scared with loud noises outside, in this case lightning. He puked up dinner and now he won’t leave my side.

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JordanRules  Jul 10, 2017 • 10:57:13pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 10, 2017 • 11:00:37pm
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JordanRules  Jul 10, 2017 • 11:12:43pm

re: #25 teleskiguy

I see no lies told!

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 10, 2017 • 11:25:37pm

re: #25 teleskiguy

Works for me.

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Kragar  Jul 10, 2017 • 11:30:19pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 10, 2017 • 11:33:53pm

re: #28 Kragar

No fucking shit. That’s the Russian pop star that’s been mentioned in all this sordid filthy mess.

Giphy

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Birth Control Works  Jul 10, 2017 • 11:35:19pm

re: #23 teleskiguy

My poor dog. He gets so neurotic and scared with loud noises outside, in this case lightning. He puked up dinner and now he won’t leave my side.

(((teleskiguy’s dog))) & ear scratches for said dog

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Birth Control Works  Jul 10, 2017 • 11:36:29pm

re: #25 teleskiguy

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I was just thinking that weed being legalized more and more, it is like the “powers that be” realize we need a soma tablet if we are going to go on.

There are too many of us and we are making ourselves neurotic.

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JordanRules  Jul 10, 2017 • 11:38:18pm

re: #31 Birth Control Works

We also need sick folks to be able to have better choices for symptom relief without going to jail.

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teleskiguy  Jul 10, 2017 • 11:40:18pm

re: #30 Birth Control Works

(((teleskiguy’s dog))) & ear scratches for said dog

He’s calmed down considerably. He’s chillin’ out on the deck in his usual spot. Still, he was not himself for an hour or two.

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JordanRules  Jul 10, 2017 • 11:40:23pm

re: #32 JordanRules

And to be clear, it should damn sure be decriminalized for recreational use too.

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teleskiguy  Jul 10, 2017 • 11:40:53pm
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Birth Control Works  Jul 10, 2017 • 11:41:36pm

re: #32 JordanRules

We also need sick folks to be able to have better choices for symptom relief without going to jail.

I”m happy with the weed for pain relief & PTSD. I feel like it is a major accomplishment.

They don’t want to spend money on Science, Pharm/Research, NASA etc.

Weed is almost like a bone.

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JordanRules  Jul 10, 2017 • 11:43:13pm

re: #36 Birth Control Works

Indeed! We’ve come a long way. Need it to be all good at the federal level next.

Didn’t think I’d see any of this in my lifetime.

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teleskiguy  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:08:45am
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Single-handed sailor  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:23:43am

Flies?

Halo Of Flies

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:28:26am

So, any bets on when we’re gonna hear Trump say, ” I’ve never heard of this ‘Donald Trump Jr.’ person. Sounds like a bad hombre and I’ve certainly never even set foot in any so-called ‘Trump Tower’, whatever the hell that is.”

I figure sometime later this week at the rate things are going.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:29:45am

The main argument will be that colluding with Russia was necessary to save America from the scourge of Hillary and her deep state-led coup to be democratically elected as head of government.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:31:50am

He’ll probably claim his name is really John Barron and he never met Donald Trump Sr..

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Kragar  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:49:10am
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Timothy Watson  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:54:12am

re: #43 Kragar

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I’ve been following Debra Messing since she told Susan Sarandon off last year.

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Lupin  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:00:08am

The normal, sane people in the US are caught in the deadly vice of the 33% who want a nazi to rule them, and the 33% who couldn’t be bothered to decide who should rule them.

The worst case scenario (nazi) was staved off thanks to FDR, Kennedy, Clinton, Obama, but we still got Nixon (in retrospect & with historical hindsight a much wiser leader that thought at the time), Reagan , W, and now, the worst of all, Caligula Minus.

Until the dynamics of your people change, this will never change, and this time may well be the one time too many, and you won’t be able to glue the pieces back together.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:11:29am

re: #45 Lupin

Until the dynamics of your people change, this will never change, and this time may well be the one time too many, and you won’t be able to glue the pieces back together.

And I advise anyone looking for the light at the end of the tunnel that we have not even started to enter the tunnel yet.

Things still have to get a lot worse before they can start to get any better.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:50:05am

Hollywood Bowl entrance. Thousands of people drive right by this beautiful monument every day and never give it a second look.

Facebook Post

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Kragar  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:32:44am
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Targetpractice  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:40:40am

Hours later and DR’s front page is still “THE EMAIL.”

It warms the cockles of my cold, black heart.

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Lupin  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:06:12am

re: #46 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And I advise anyone looking for the light at the end of the tunnel that we have not even started to enter the tunnel yet.

Things still have to get a lot worse before they can start to get any better.

Maybe things will get better, maybe not. Articles written by wiser people than I in the 1950s and 60s about the World in the Year 2000 incite us to modesty when it comes to predictions. I would still hazard a guess that the American Century is over.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:09:18am

re: #50 Lupin

Maybe things will get better, maybe not. Articles written by wiser people than I in the 1950s and 60s about the World in the Year 2000 incite us to modesty when it comes to predictions. I would still hazard a guess that the American Century is over.

We get about two more chances to choose how bad it will get and how long it will stay bad.

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freetoken  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:49:06am
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Targetpractice  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:52:36am

Good point I saw brought up elsewhere: Even if you buy for a second that Jr is telling the truth (I don’t), why in the hell go to him about an adoption program? Back in June of last year, Trump was still a long-shot candidate who a lot of people didn’t think had a serious chance. And he had no political influence whatsoever, so the idea he was going to be able to do anything about the program at the time is ridiculous. So if your angle is to get this program restarted by advocating for the repeal of the sanctions, why go to Trump rather than to Hillary?

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:17:03am

This really needs to get more play. Not that it surprises me because Republican’s have shown that their ideas are pretty much nil and less and less people want what they’re selling, yet they win - like trump won.

They can’t govern, only obstruct, as proven by the last four months.

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Alephnaught  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:23:59am

Hm, so, there’s now a story about Spotify adding “fake artists” (Cheap non-industry filler) to their main genre/mood playlists.

(EDIT: The story’s actually been going around for a while, but it’s just got legs now.)

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Lupin  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:25:09am

re: #53 Targetpractice

Good point I saw brought up elsewhere: Even if you buy for a second that Jr is telling the truth (I don’t), why in the hell go to him about an adoption program? Back in June of last year, Trump was still a long-shot candidate who a lot of people didn’t think had a serious chance. And he had no political influence whatsoever, so the idea he was going to be able to do anything about the program at the time is ridiculous. So if your angle is to get this program restarted by advocating for the repeal of the sanctions, why go to Trump rather than to Hillary?

Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the “stopping the adoptions” a measure the Russians had taken as retaliation against western sanctions — so any talk about loosening adoption restrictions would de facto imply loosening sanctions, right?

If so then Donnie-Boy was quid-pro-quoing something or other, which surely must have been illegal.

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Lupin  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:26:46am

re: #51 Decatur Deb

We get about two more chances to choose how bad it will get and how long it will stay bad.

I don’t think you get any more chances, 2018 perhaps, to launch am impeachment, but that’s it. By 2020 it won’t matter if you elect Superman. The world will have rearranged itself.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:27:21am

It’s awake & Tweeting out whatever shit it sees on Fox & Friends
It doesn’t even realize there are hundreds of positions that have not even been nominated yet.

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freetoken  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:29:13am

Today is a high-holy day on the modern calendar: Prime Day.

I see that one of the special offers is the Music Unlimited for just $.99 for the first four months. I find the default Prime music selection more than sufficient for my purposes, but if you’re really into music and would rather stream then buy, perhaps it’s a good deal.

Which brings up the issue of online music. Spotify may be trying to bring in generic music under false names - but entertainment has always been about smoke and mirrors - yet the current catalog of all music that has been recorded is vast, really vast, and I wonder if “owning” a piece of music will simply disappear one day. We will all just stream what we want, and performers will not sell as much as rent.

Yeah, we’re a big step in that direction already. But there are plenty of sales still of downloaded audio, and still some CD/DVD sales worldwide.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:30:06am

re: #53 Targetpractice

Jr thought the meeting was about adoptions. What they actually spoke about was sanctions but used “adoptions” as a code word for sanctions

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:39:35am

re: #55 Alephnaught

Hm, so, there’s now a story about Spotify adding “fake artists” (Cheap non-industry filler) to their main genre/mood playlists.

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(EDIT: The story’s actually been going around for a while, but it’s just got legs now.)

Not to sound stupid (I don’t use Spotify and I don’t know the in’s and out’s of the music industry) but how is anything fake if it’s tangible? If you can listen to it isn’t it real?

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freetoken  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:44:29am

re: #61 MsJ

There is now such click-bait-ness to the English word “fake” that people are just throwing it out there.

Spotify is just selling audio without having to pay artists who would be well enough known to demand a royalty payment. It’s easy for any production company to simply higher musicians with basic skills to come in and make recordings, pay an hourly sum (or daily), and never have to worry about paying future royalties. Spotify sells these songs with names attached to them that are not artist names.

That’s the claim, anyway.

Spotify denies it.

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freetoken  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:46:11am

Even it true, I’m not sure it is that damning of Spotify.

Entertainment corporations always create “stars” out of nothing, and when done throw them away.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:47:32am

re: #62 freetoken

There is now such click-bait-ness to the English word “fake” that people are just throwing it out there.

Spotify is just selling audio without having to pay artists who would be well enough known to demand a royalty payment. It’s easy for any production company to simply higher musicians with basic skills to come in and make recordings, pay an hourly sum (or daily), and never have to worry about paying future royalties. Spotify sells these songs with names attached to them that are not artist names.

That’s the claim, anyway.

Spotify denies it.

I get why musicians would be unhappy. But as a listener…does it matter? Are the tunes worth listening to? Because as a casual music person, that would be what I cared about.

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Alephnaught  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:52:07am

re: #56 Lupin

Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the “stopping the adoptions” a measure the Russians had taken as retaliation against western sanctions — so any talk about loosening adoption restrictions would de facto imply loosening sanctions, right?

If so then Donnie-Boy was quid-pro-quoing something or other, which surely must have been illegal.

From what I’ve read, is want just any Western sanctions. The adoptions measure was in retaliation to the Magnitsky Act. The act was named after Sergei Magnitsky, an accountant in Russia who blew the whistle on money laundering in the New York property market (Sound familiar?) through the Prevezon group. He was arrested, and subsequently died in prison in dubious circumstances.

The Prevezon group, meanwhile, were being prosecuted in New York for the money laundering. And guess who was the legal representative of its owner? The same Natalia Veselnitskaya who Don Jr had his “adoptions” meeting with on 9 Jun 2016.

More details here.

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freetoken  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:55:34am

re: #64 MsJ

I get why musicians would be unhappy. But as a listener…does it matter? Are the tunes worth listening to? Because as a casual music person, that would be what I cared about.

I guess that depends upon what one wants.

If all that is needed is background music, then it probably doesn’t matter. And as AI progresses and voice synthesis moves to where we can’t distinguish artificial speech from real human speech, we will also face a point where real humans aren’t needed to make musical recordings.

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freetoken  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:00:34am

The alt-right types are still in denial about the seriousness of all of Trump’s stupid interactions with Russian operatives.

They don’t want to let go of their racist poster-boy.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:11:18am

re: #66 freetoken

I guess that depends upon what one wants.

If all that is needed is background music, then it probably doesn’t matter. And as AI progresses and voice synthesis moves to where we can’t distinguish artificial speech from real human speech, we will also face a point where real humans aren’t needed to make musical recordings.

I downloaded some albums from Amazon from Brunuhville, Audiomachine and Two Steps From Hell. There is vocalization on some of the tracks that seems to be from a synthesizer rather than actual people singing. Where an actual person is singing on the track they always give the name of the artist.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:12:21am

re: #54 MsJ

This really needs to get more play. Not that it surprises me because Republican’s have shown that their ideas are pretty much nil and less and less people want what they’re selling, yet they win - like trump won.

They can’t govern, only obstruct, as proven by the last four months.

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Definitely needs to be investigated (but not by Republicans in Congress) because if we don’t get to the bottom of what happened in 2016, we may have a repeat performance next year. Obviously, Russians interfered with Congressional elections last year at every level. We’re focusing just on what happened with the presidential contest but Russian interference was a lot more encompassing.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:15:18am

re: #67 freetoken

The alt-right types are still in denial about the seriousness of all of Trump’s stupid interactions with Russian operatives.

They don’t want to let go of their racist poster-boy.

We can safely write off alt-right/White Supremacists. They will always be diehard Trumpanzees. Just hoping that the Bernie Bros have a change of heart and realize that while Democratic politicians are far from perfect, they’re much better than the Republican alternatives.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:19:07am

re: #57 Lupin

I don’t think you get any more chances, 2018 perhaps, to launch am impeachment, but that’s it. By 2020 it won’t matter if you elect Superman. The world will have rearranged itself.

More concerned with maintaining our democracy, imperfect as it might be. As for the world rearranging itself, the Italians don’t need us to tell them how to Italian.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:24:45am

re: #61 MsJ

Not to sound stupid (I don’t use Spotify and I don’t know the in’s and out’s of the music industry) but how is anything fake if it’s tangible? If you can listen to it isn’t it real?

“Fake artist” as a concept is a hoot. High fakery is the literal essence of art. An artwork is as real as it is, whether done by Dali or J. Fred Muggs.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:25:19am

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

It’s awake & Tweeting out whatever shit it sees on Fox & Friends
It doesn’t even realize there are hundreds of positions that have not even been nominated yet.

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And you know what, the maddening thing is people will believe this bullshit. Never mind that he hasn’t nominated these positions. Never mind that the Senate R’s obstructed Obama on the USSC.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:26:41am

re: #67 freetoken

The alt-right types are still in denial about the seriousness of all of Trump’s stupid interactions with Russian operatives.

They don’t want to let go of their racist poster-boy.

Of course not.

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jeffreyw  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:29:06am

Imgur

Good morning!

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:33:42am

From Downstairs:

The Bombshells Continue to Drop: Trump Jr. Was Told the Russian Government Wanted to Aid Trump’s Candidacy
Trump Jr. knew the Russian government was behind this

Drip…drip…drip

Fascinating, and alarming, to watch the wingnuts, in and out of government, continue to pooh-pah this. The same gang that wanted Hillary “Locked Up” because of emails.

I can only hope that a correction in the body politic will eventually assert itself.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:35:15am

re: #67 freetoken

The alt-right types are still in denial about the seriousness of all of Trump’s stupid interactions with Russian operatives.

They don’t want to let go of their racist poster-boy.

Are they in denial or are they fully on board with Russia and their authoritarian ways? I think the latter.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:36:04am

Like father like son. They just can’t shut the fuck up.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:36:08am

re: #76 Sir John Barron

From Downstairs:

Drip…drip…drip

Fascinating, and alarming, to watch the wingnuts, in and out of government, continue to pooh-pah this. The same gang that wanted Hillary “Locked Up” because of emails.

I can only hope that a correction in the body politic will eventually assert itself.

The most madddning thing is those who wanted Clinton locked up and even hanged will see nothing wrong with this.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:36:12am

re: #67 freetoken

The alt-right types are still in denial about the seriousness of all of Trump’s stupid interactions with Russian operatives.

They don’t want to let go of their racist poster-boy.

It wasn’t collusion!!!

Democrats did the same thing!!!1

It was collusion but collusion was OK!!!!

Democrat liberal media being shrill and divisive!!!1

Trump picked up that marine’s hat!!!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:37:01am

re: #78 Dr. Matt

Like father like son. They just can’t shut the fuck up.

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Did his attorney tell him that raging on Twitter was a good look?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:38:24am

This whole thing just has me sick.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:40:52am

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

It’s awake & Tweeting out whatever shit it sees on Fox & Friends
It doesn’t even realize there are hundreds of positions that have not even been nominated yet.

The Democrats control the Senate?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:42:37am

re: #78 Dr. Matt

Like father like son. They just can’t shut the fuck up.

Bitch set me up!

Meeting was nothingburger!

What about Clinton Foundation meetings?

Bill Clinton met Lynch on The Tarmac!!!!!1

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:42:40am

re: #80 Sir John Barron

It wasn’t collusion!!!

Democrats did the same thing!!!1

It was collusion but collusion was OK!!!!

Democrat liberal media being shrill and divisive!!!1

Trump picked up that marine’s hat!!!

Honestly, that sums it up completely, doesn’t it?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:43:55am

re: #22 JordanRules

This is not rushed or thoughtless at all. Very deliberate, carefully debated, all sides giving input, everything out in the open, transparent.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:43:56am

re: #63 freetoken

Even it true, I’m not sure it is that damning of Spotify.

Entertainment corporations always create “stars” out of nothing, and when done throw them away.

The Monkeys

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:44:37am

re: #81 HappyWarrior

Did his attorney tell him that raging on Twitter was a good look?

Daddy is likely feeding him advice.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:44:44am

re: #70 Patricia Kayden

We can safely write off alt-right/White Supremacists. They will always be diehard Trumpanzees. Just hoping that the Bernie Bros have a change of heart and realize that while Democratic politicians are far from perfect, they’re much better than the Republican alternatives.

Upding for Trumpanzees.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:44:45am

re: #84 Sir John Barron

Bitch set me up!

Meeting was nothingburger!

What about Clinton Foundation meetings?

Bill Clinton met Lynch on The Tarmac!!!!!1

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:45:29am

re: #90 The Vicious Babushka

URANIUM ONE!!!!

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:48:06am

re: #89 Sir John Barron

Upding for Trumpanzees.

In the last few minutes we have The Monkeys, J. Fred Muggs, and Trumpanzees. We are slipping back to the jungle.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:48:47am

MSNBC is trolling junior.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:49:11am

re: #11 sagehen

The suit against Prevezon never went to trial. On March 11, Donald Trump fired Bharara, and on March 21, Nikolai Gorokhov, the Magnitsky family’s attorney and a key witness for the prosecution, fell from the fourth floor of an apartment building, apparently when a rope broke while he and others were trying to move a bathtub in through the window. He sustained head injuries.

Nothing suspicious here. Let’s all just move past this.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:50:37am

re: #2 Kragar

“”I’ll be the first one to come out and point at Russia if there’s clear evidence.” - Devin Nunes, Dec. 19, 2016. washingtonpost.com

— David Frum

Nunes (probably): I have seen no clear evidence.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:54:09am

re: #44 Timothy Watson

I’ve been following Debra Messing since she told Susan Sarandon off last year.

And she dukes it out with the wingnut haters, too. Good on Debra.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:55:15am

re: #49 Targetpractice

Hours later and DR’s front page is still “THE EMAIL.”

It warms the cockles of my cold, black heart.

DR?

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:58:08am

re: #95 Sir John Barron

Nunes (probably): I have seen no clear evidence.

And never will.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:58:32am

re: #97 Sir John Barron

DR?

Drudge Report.

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I cannot.  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:58:48am

re: #97 Sir John Barron

Drudge Report.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:58:57am

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

It’s awake & Tweeting out whatever shit it sees on Fox & Friends
It doesn’t even realize there are hundreds of positions that have not even been nominated yet.

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Speaking of:

The federal government is canceling the search for a new FBI headquarters, according to officials familiar with the decision, putting a more than decade-long effort by the bureau to move out of the crumbling J. Edgar Hoover Building back at square one.

[…]

Officials and executives involved in the process also said a lack of permanent leadership at both agencies could have hindered the case for funding.

Both agencies are operating under transitional leadership, as President Trump’s appointee to the FBI, Christopher A. Wray, has not yet been confirmed, and Trump has not appointed a permanent GSA administrator.

washingtonpost.com

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:59:37am
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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:00:11am

re: #101 Timothy Watson

Speaking of:

Trump has not appointed a permanent GSA administrator.

washingtonpost.com

And never will since they are the ones who have control over his DC hotel.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:00:34am

And most of the pending nominations were just nominated in June or late May:
senate.gov

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:04:08am

re: #104 Timothy Watson

And most of the pending nominations were just nominated in June or late May:
senate.gov

Ssshhh. Fox News needs an outrage to keep the rubes lit.

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:04:42am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. It’s been a fine morning so far - delays from the Penn Station mess haven’t been as bad in the morning as expected; the PM rush is a different story. But that’s not really what’s bugging me.

It’s the fact that Donny Jr. conspired with Russians to try and get dirt on Clinton. Not only did he seek to get the information, but he initiated the meeting, and brought in Kushner and Manafort too.

These three guys were at this meeting, which was undisclosed (itself a security clearance violation for boy wonder Kushner). These three were running Trump’s campaign and yet we’re to believe that Donny from Queens didn’t know what was going on? Donny asked for Russia to hack Clinton. Junior thought he had a lead on that, and met with the Russians.

So of course, Hannity thinks that this is all a setup. Except for the part that it was Junior who initiated the meeting after daddy sought out Russians to hack Clinton’s emails.

The right wingers are now going to make the claim that collusion isn’t a crime. Just watch. That’s the way they’re going… and the GOP wont stop them, not when they’ve got health coverage to destroy for millions of people so that millionaires can get their tax cuts.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:05:43am

re: #104 Timothy Watson

And most of the pending nominations were just nominated in June or late May:
senate.gov

Exported the civilian nominations pending in committee. Average time, elapsed in days, from the date of the nomination is 37 days with a median of 34 days.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:06:38am

re: #106 lawhawk

The right wingers are now going to make the claim that collusion isn’t a crime. Just watch. That’s the way they’re going… and the GOP wont stop them, not when they’ve got health coverage to destroy for millions of people so that millionaires can get their tax cuts.

They’re already saying this. And that the meeting was FALSE FLAG Democrat Party set up. And that the meeting was about adoptions. And that….

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:11:13am

re: #106 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. It’s been a fine morning so far - delays from the Penn Station mess haven’t been as bad in the morning as expected; the PM rush is a different story. But that’s not really what’s bugging me.

It’s the fact that Donny Jr. conspired with Russians to try and get dirt on Clinton. Not only did he seek to get the information, but he initiated the meeting, and brought in Kushner and Manafort too.

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The right wingers are now going to make the claim that collusion isn’t a crime. Just watch. That’s the way they’re going… and the GOP wont stop them, not when they’ve got health coverage to destroy for millions of people so that millionaires can get their tax cuts.

Hannity would apologize for Benedict Arnold if his name were Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:12:11am

Hannity isn’t stupid guys. He’s a pathetic right wing hack who will justify anything a Republican Party official especially one that speaks his racist language like Trump does.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:12:45am

Teleskiguy reminded me of the great Rollins Band song that describes Trump to a T: Liar.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:14:49am

re: #106 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. It’s been a fine morning so far - delays from the Penn Station mess haven’t been as bad in the morning as expected; the PM rush is a different story.

Yeah I don’t envy anyone the NYC commute.

My DC commute is better now that it’s Summer, the commuter bus pretty much zips in without much hassle, I get some reading done. The weather has been comfortable the past few days and I’ve been sleeping well.

Only thing is my rogue ceiling fan—the chain that regulates the on/off and speed broke last week—in the “on” position and I can’t shut it off. Should be linked to the wall switch but it’s not. Don’t mind it on at night but I hate the thought of wasting electricity during the day. Oh well.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:16:31am
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freetoken  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:16:45am

re: #110 HappyWarrior

He’s a conman working his marks, as is so common in our society.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:18:19am

re: #114 freetoken

He’s a conman working his marks, as is so common in our society.

There are so many people like this in ours. It’s sad.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:19:02am

Both these paintings are by primates. One was featured on the cover of a national magazine. The other was last auctioned for $960,000 and change. Compare and contrast, using elements of formal analysis.

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sagehen  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:21:33am

re: #116 Decatur Deb

Both these paintings are by primates. One was featured on the cover of a national magazine. The other was last auctioned for $960,000 and change. Compare and contrast, using elements of formal analysis.

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Am I the only one who thinks the top painting looks like a portrait of Trump?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:24:09am

re: #117 sagehen

Am I the only one who thinks the top painting looks like a portrait of Trump?

It does, but Trump was handsome and young when it was painted.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:24:32am

Internet acting weird, slow. LGF page is fine. Everything else isn’t fully loading. I know it’s Prime Day over at Amazon, so that page not loading quickly isn’t surprising.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:28:41am
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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:29:01am

re: #109 HappyWarrior

Hannity would apologize for Benedict Arnold if his name were Trump a republican.

FIFY.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:30:16am

We found that 400 lb guy in the basement Trump mentioned.

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:32:08am

So I go out to a gig last night and I first catch the news about Junior’s email while doing 70 on the LIE driving home at about 2:00 this morning.

I nearly drove off the road. If the current trend holds true, the NYT will release an update telling us that Junior read the email while feeding live kittens into a meat grinder.

It never stops with these freakin’ amateurs.

In other news - I was planning to drive into Brooklyn today to watch the demolition of the Kosciuszko Bridge - but now they’re saying it ain’t happening. I am disappoint.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:35:16am

re: #121 MsJ

FIFY.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:36:09am

re: #120 Barefoot Grin

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Birth Control Works  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:36:37am

You?

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Teukka  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:38:11am

re: #126 Birth Control Works

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You?

Fucking afternoon here. What about the rest of you Lizardim?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:40:10am

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Birth Control Works  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:40:15am

re: #116 Decatur Deb

Both these paintings are by primates. One was featured on the cover of a national magazine. The other was last auctioned for $960,000 and change. Compare and contrast, using elements of formal analysis.

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The bottom picture is amazing. Well balanced and interesting. I bet if you were to fold it in half, you’d find that the center vertical line is exactly on the fold line. I know children have the uncanny ability to portion off the painting surface in exact fractions. I bet primates have the same ability.

The top one doesn’t do much for me, yet it is well balanced.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:40:51am

re: #109 HappyWarrior

Hannity would apologize for Benedict Arnold if his name were Trump.

So stealing this.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:41:51am

Morning Lizards. The UK was great. I completely disconnected from the news for over a full week and it was WONDERFUL. Walked all over London. Ate food. Drank gin. Drank more gin. Ate more food. Saw lots of museums. Ran. Ran some more.

Anything of interest happen in the Lizard community while I was gone?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:42:56am

re: #130 Birth Control Works

So stealing this.

Go for it.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:43:08am

Are the Trump boys married with children?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:43:37am

re: #133 Birth Control Works

Are the Trump boys married with children?

Yep except Barron obviously.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:43:41am

GOP Researcher Who Sought Clinton Emails Had Alt-Right Help

Our favorite floor-shitter makes an appearance in this story.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:45:08am

re: #131 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Morning Lizards. The UK was great. I completely disconnected from the news for over a full week and it was WONDERFUL. Walked all over London. Ate food. Drank gin. Drank more gin. Ate more food. Saw lots of museums. Ran. Ran some more.

Anything of interest happen in the Lizard community while I was gone?

The GOP now thinks collusion with foreign governments like the Russians is super great if you’re a Republican.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:47:06am

re: #135 A wild WITHAK appeared!

GOP Researcher Who Sought Clinton Emails Had Alt-Right Help

Our favorite floor-shitter makes an appearance in this story.

The GOP is the alt right safe space now.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:47:26am

re: #136 Sir John Barron

The GOP now thinks collusion with foreign governments like the Russians is super great if you’re a Republican.

Yeah, but it’s not like that’s a surprise.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:50:07am

re: #127 Teukka

Fucking afternoon here. What about the rest of you Lizardim?

I’m back in the States for a couple of months, so here it’s midmorning - 10 am.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:51:06am

re: #139 wheat-dogg

I’m back in the States for a couple of months, so here it’s midmorning - 10 am.

I have no idea what time zone I am in physically but the clock tells me it is almost 7am.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:51:31am

You know. I just can’t help going back to Maddow the other day re: someone shopping forgeries.

These Diaper Don emails better have been vetted.

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:53:32am

re: #141 GlutenFreeJesus

You know. I just can’t help going back to Maddow the other day re: someone shopping forgeries.

These Diaper Don emails better have been vetted.

If they were fake, would Don Jr. be on his third iteration of what they really mean?

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wheat-dogg  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:54:03am

re: #140 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I have no idea what time zone I am in physically but the clock tells me it is almost 7am.

I think you’re still on CA time. London should be in the afternoon.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:55:34am

re: #141 GlutenFreeJesus

You know. I just can’t help going back to Maddow the other day re: someone shopping forgeries.

These Diaper Don emails better have been vetted.

The original NYT story cites three advisors as their sources, so I am assuming the Times followed the standard journalistic practice of verify at least once.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:56:28am

re: #143 wheat-dogg

I think you’re still on CA time. London should be in the afternoon.

Other way around. Just got back home, am still on London time.

There’s no way in hell I’d wake up naturally at 6am otherwise.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:58:13am

Trump has repeatedly used the phrase “witch hunt” to describe Trump-Russia investigations. Welp. They found the extra nipple.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:59:00am

re: #122 GlutenFreeJesus

We found that 400 lb guy in the basement Trump mentioned.

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I saw some video of Ron Goldstone last night.

All I can say is Trump and Gang sure surround themselves with some colorful, and probably very dubious, characters. Add Roger Stone, Manafort, the Flynns…wow.

What is it that is said about “the company you keep?”

I think Trump should be kicked out of the White House just for hanging with this crowd of crazies. And then fumigate the place. It’s going to need it.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:59:11am

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:59:41am

re: #146 Barefoot Grin

Trump has repeatedly used the phrase “witch hunt” to describe Trump-Russia investigations. Welp. They found the extra nipple.

I think Trump is really delusional enough to believe this is all to get him because he’s one. I don’t think this is a Vincent Gigante act. Doesn’t make it right still of course.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:01:25am

re: #148 Timothy Watson

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I cannot.  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:02:09am

re: #146 Barefoot Grin

I think we’re at Dragon Age Broodmother levels of extra nippleness by now…

(Those who know, KNOW what I just said, those who don’t are advised to NOT Google that)

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Interesting Times  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:03:03am

re: #148 Timothy Watson

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Here’s the obvious passive-aggressive solution - paint this on one of the walls:

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Timothy Watson  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:03:49am

re: #152 Interesting Times

Here’s the obvious passive-aggressive solution - paint this on one of the walls:

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:04:22am

Well, in my little part of the world

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:04:29am

re: #146 Barefoot Grin

Trump has repeatedly used the phrase “witch hunt” to describe Trump-Russia investigations. Welp. They found the extra nipple.

And this so-called “witch hunt” has fortunately turned up evidence of the Trump team’s BS, lies, and collusion.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:05:40am

re: #145 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Other way around. Just got back home, am still on London time.

There’s no way in hell I’d wake up naturally at 6am otherwise.

Oh, got it. Takes me a couple of days to get over jetlag. Until then, I’m almost useless.

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I cannot.  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:08:50am

re: #148 Timothy Watson

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Birth Control Works  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:11:21am

NYT:

Most government agencies have declined to disclose information about their deregulation teams. But The New York Times and ProPublica identified 71 appointees, including 28 with potential conflicts, through interviews, public records and documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:12:23am

re: #142 Belafon

You’d think his lawyer would have told him to stfu by now. lol

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I cannot.  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:13:22am

re: #160 GlutenFreeJesus

More indictments mean more billable hours.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:13:24am

re: #160 GlutenFreeJesus

You’d think his lawyer would have told him to stfu by now. lol

Nobody puts baby Donnies in the corner.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:13:59am

re: #160 GlutenFreeJesus

You’d think his lawyer would have told him to stfu by now. lol

You know how Lannisters always repay their debts? A Trump never shuts his mouth.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:15:06am

Ingraham just now: “I’m glad to know that Don Jr. was taking meetings.”

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Timothy Watson  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:15:29am

re: #163 HappyWarrior

You know how Lannisters always repay their debts? A Trump never shuts his mouth.

Funny thing is that Lannisters’ actual family motto is “Hear Me Roar!”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:16:25am

re: #164 Ace Rothstein

Ingraham just now: “I’m glad to know that Don Jr. was taking meetings.”

Laura circa 1780: “I’m glad that General Arnold met with John Andre. Washington didn’t know what the hell he was doing.”

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:19:10am

re: #164 Ace Rothstein

Ingraham just now: “I’m glad to know that Don Jr. was taking meetings.”

Why is she “glad” of this?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:20:04am

re: #167 Sir John Barron

Why is she “glad” of this?

Because she’s an idiot.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:23:20am

re: #129 Birth Control Works

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Birth Control Works  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:27:30am
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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:27:57am

The news revelations about Donny Jr. only means Mueller’s investigators will have yet another avenue of investigation to explore.

Items that we should expect to be included: emails to/from Jr.; text messages to/from Jr., phone calls, and other communications to/from Jr.

If Jr. was stupid enough to send emails on this matter (he was), then you can expect that he probably told daddy too because nothing gets done without passing it by daddy (at least that’s how Trump has always portrayed himself to media). But what’s the story going to be if that didn’t happen? That Jr. went rogue and took Kushner, Manafort and all the rest for a ride on the criminal conspiracy cruise? They were already on the ride, given their prior undisclosed contacts, meetings, and incessant lies.

How long before we hear that Ivanka was also involved, or Eric?

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Birth Control Works  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:28:25am

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:29:20am

re: #171 lawhawk

The news revelations about Donny Jr. only means Mueller’s investigators will have yet another avenue of investigation to explore.

Items that we should expect to be included: emails to/from Jr.; text messages to/from Jr., phone calls, and other communications to/from Jr.

If Jr. was stupid enough to send emails on this matter (he was), then you can expect that he probably told daddy too because nothing gets done without passing it by daddy (at least that’s how Trump has always portrayed himself to media). But what’s the story going to be if that didn’t happen? That Jr. went rogue and took Kushner, Manafort and all the rest for a ride on the criminal conspiracy cruise? They were already on the ride, given their prior undisclosed contacts, meetings, and incessant lies.

How long before we hear that Ivanka was also involved, or Eric?

Is there an investigator that specializes in targeting the relatives? Are there going to be any lawyers left?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:29:23am

re: #171 lawhawk

The news revelations about Donny Jr. only means Mueller’s investigators will have yet another avenue of investigation to explore.

Items that we should expect to be included: emails to/from Jr.; text messages to/from Jr., phone calls, and other communications to/from Jr.

If Jr. was stupid enough to send emails on this matter (he was), then you can expect that he probably told daddy too because nothing gets done without passing it by daddy (at least that’s how Trump has always portrayed himself to media). But what’s the story going to be if that didn’t happen? That Jr. went rogue and took Kushner, Manafort and all the rest for a ride on the criminal conspiracy cruise? They were already on the ride, given their prior undisclosed contacts, meetings, and incessant lies.

How long before we hear that Ivanka was also involved, or Eric?

Emails? Email correspondence should be off limits to investigators. That’s how it’s always been done. Hands off Trump emails!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:29:25am

re: #172 Birth Control Works

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Birth Control Works  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:30:15am

re: #152 Interesting Times

Here’s the obvious passive-aggressive solution - paint this on one of the walls:

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:30:16am

re: #172 Birth Control Works

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I’d be careful with Carrie Nation, too.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:30:52am

How long before the Faux Nooz-AM Hate Radio Cesspool starts demanding that Mueller be fired?

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:31:04am

I think it was here that I read Keith Olbermann’s story of dating Laura Ingraham. He described her little cooperative effort with Matthew Drudge where she would fax him any kind of fringe story as long as it defamed Democrats in the early 90s.

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:31:36am

Have the emails been published? Anywhere I can read them?

Smoking Gun, maybe? Heh.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:31:50am

re: #134 HappyWarrior

Yep except Barron obviously.

How come we never hear from their spouses? We know all about Ivanka’s.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:32:11am

re: #181 Birth Control Works

How come we never hear from their spouses? We know all about Ivanka’s.

Now that I do not know.

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:33:01am

re: #173 Belafon

RICO lawyers… white collar crime… securities investigators… yeah, Mueller’s got all of those bases covered (as does Trump).

Thanks, I’ll be here all week. Tip your waiter.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:33:49am

re: #178 Sir John Barron

How long before the Faux Nooz-AM Hate Radio Cesspool starts demanding that Mueller be fired?

-500 (negative 500) hours?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:34:07am

re: #180 makeitstop

Have the emails been published? Anywhere I can read them?

Smoking Gun, maybe? Heh.

It’s all going to be in a really fat New York Times paperback, like the Pentagon Papers.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:34:57am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:37:18am

re: #186 FormerDirtDart

This doesn’t sound good.

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Interesting Times  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:37:27am

Yikes…talk about a headline that perfectly encapsulates my worst fears:

Can democracy survive hordes of willfully ignorant voters?

Money quote (writer is talking about flat-earthers, but you could just as easily substitute anti-vaxxers, climate deniers, YECs, etc):

One of the things that always irritated me about these kinds of clowns: they’re a form of social parasite. They get a full, free ride on the coattails of modern science and rational analysis while undermining it at every turn and mocking those of us who do the heavy lifting.

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:38:47am
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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:39:17am

re: #180 makeitstop

Have the emails been published? Anywhere I can read them?

Smoking Gun, maybe? Heh.

They have not been printed/provided.

Yet.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:39:40am

re: #187 Sir John Barron

This doesn’t sound good.

Office closed at time, no casualties

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:40:45am
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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:41:05am

re: #190 Stanley Sea

They have not been printed/provided.

Yet.

Weird. Jim Wright posted on Facebook this morning that they’ve been made public.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:41:07am

re: #189 lawhawk

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Don, Jr.’s life has been the path of least resistance. I reckon it’s coming as a shock to him that rules do apply.

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piratedan  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:42:03am

speaking of Hannity…

isn’t awesome how we got from what actually happened in HRC’s e-mails:

someone sent her classified information (in violation of State rules) that wasn’t identified as such using State guidelines and norms to

HRC mishandles and destroys classified info-NO PROBLEM! Pay/play on Uranium one NO PROBLEM! Lynch BC tarmac: it’s a “matter” NO PROBLEM

its like…

1) she wasn’t the originator of the problem
2) she didn’t destroy anything as you’ve had everyone in DC and the media sift thru it all
3) The uranium thing never fucking happened
4) her husband fucked up

how in the hell that corresponds with, hey, I’ll meet with someone claiming to represent a foreign government in hopes of getting damaging information on my father’s political opponent, I have nfi….

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:43:34am

From the NYT:

WASHINGTON — Before arranging a meeting with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer he believed would offer him compromising information about Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump Jr. was informed in an email that the material was part of a Russian government effort to aid his father’s candidacy, according to three people with knowledge of the email.

Yeah, nothing to see here. Keep claiming that.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:45:21am

re: #196 Sir John Barron

Alan Futerfas, the lawyer for the younger Mr. Trump, said his client had done nothing wrong but pledged to work with investigators if contacted.

“In my view, this is much ado about nothing. During this busy period, Robert Goldstone contacted Don Jr. in an email and suggested that people had information concerning alleged wrongdoing by Democratic Party front-runner, Hillary Clinton, in her dealings with Russia,” he told The Times in an email on Monday. “Don Jr.’s takeaway from this communication was that someone had information potentially helpful to the campaign and it was coming from someone he knew. Don Jr. had no knowledge as to what specific information, if any, would be discussed.”

What a steaming pile of horse-sht.

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:45:31am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:45:34am

re: #196 Sir John Barron

From the NYT:

Yeah, nothing to see here. Keep claiming that.

Dumbo Jr needs to go down for this and eat a nice piece of humble pie for all the shit he talks.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:46:23am

re: #196 Sir John Barron

From the NYT:

Yeah, nothing to see here. Keep claiming that.

NOT A COLLUDER, YOU’RE THE COLLUDER!!1!

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Birth Control Works  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:46:57am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:47:38am

re: #197 Sir John Barron

WASHINGTON — Before arranging a meeting with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer he believed would offer him compromising information about Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump Jr. was informed in an email that the material was part of a Russian government effort to aid his father’s candidacy, according to three people with knowledge of the email.

(snip)

Mr. Goldstone’s message, as described to The New York Times by the three people, indicates that the Russian government was the source of the potentially damaging information. It does not elaborate on the wider effort by Moscow to help the Trump campaign.

The same three WH aides who outed Donny Jr, I presume?

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:49:10am

John Dickerson [of Face the Nation]: “Did any adviser or anybody in the Trump campaign have any contact with the Russians who were trying to meddle in the election?”

Mike Pence: “Oh, of course not. And I think to suggest that is to give—to give credence—to some of these… bizarre rumors that have swirled around the candidacy and the fact that a few news organizations—not this one—actually trafficked in a memo that was produced as opposition research and associated that with intelligence efforts, I think could only be attributed to media bias.”

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Teukka  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:49:25am

re: #172 Birth Control Works

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Stole that one XD

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freetoken  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:49:26am

re: #202 Birth Control Works

Here’s the Pew article:
people-press.org

This ought to be a red flag in our discussions.

It’s shouting that atavism really is about promoting ignorance.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:51:18am

re: #204 Dr. Matt

John Dickerson [of Face the Nation]: “Did any adviser or anybody in the Trump campaign have any contact with the Russians who were trying to meddle in the election?”

Pence et al will claim the Russians they met with weren’t trying to meddle in the election. These Russians were just “providing information”, etc.

BS of course, but they’ll keep splitting hairs.

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freetoken  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:51:23am

I’m calling this the “Trump Effect”:
people-press.org

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:52:01am

re: #208 freetoken

I’m calling this the “Trump Effect”:
people-press.org

Hard to argue with that.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:52:57am

re: #206 freetoken

Here’s the Pew article:
people-press.org

This ought to be a red flag in our discussions.

It’s shouting that atavism really is about promoting ignorance.

And will continue to lead to further cuts in funding for higher education, which would likely lead to our universities losing role as international ed providers (foreign students not coming in the same numbers to US), which in turn leads to loss of significant source of tuition funding…. Maybe alarmist, but I think it’s quite possible.

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:54:10am
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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:55:00am

re: #193 makeitstop

Weird. Jim Wright posted on Facebook this morning that they’ve been made public.

I just woke up, so maybe!! I’m responding with last night’s info.

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Interesting Times  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:56:13am

re: #202 Birth Control Works

re: #206 freetoken

See my 188 - while degeneracy was what did in the Roman empire, America will die of derp :/

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:56:50am

re: #211 lawhawk

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I see Donnie got into a Twitter shouting march with Ana. Unlike Donnie, she’s actually made something of herself other than being handed everything in life just like Donnie, his dad, brother, and sister.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:57:14am

re: #198 lawhawk

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I’m also seeing reports that apparently ISIS has confirmed that al-Baghdadi is dead.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:58:21am

I keep on hoping that the election of Trump was the last yell of a segment of the country angry at how much we’ve changed but my optimism isn’t what it was. There’s a lot of ignorant people out there and they do vote. The rise of the alt-right just disturbs the hell out of me. The alt-right ain’t old farts. They’re predominately younger.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:58:33am

re: #215 Dr Lizardo

I’m also seeing reports that apparently ISIS has confirmed that al-Baghdadi is dead.

That would be huge.

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:59:59am

re: #215 Dr Lizardo

Yup. It looks like he’s toast. Good. Problem is that there’s plenty more like him out there looking to cause trouble.

The good news is that Trump’s ISIS policy is essentially continuing Obama policy. (snort - considering that Trump said he’s got a better plan and would do it 30 days after election…)

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Birth Control Works  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:03:08am

re: #208 freetoken

I’m calling this the “Trump Effect”:
people-press.org

I guess ignorance is rapture.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:04:51am

re: #205 Teukka

Stole that one XD

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:06:58am

re: #218 lawhawk

Yup. It looks like he’s toast. Good. Problem is that there’s plenty more like him out there looking to cause trouble.

The good news is that Trump’s ISIS policy is essentially continuing Obama policy. (snort - considering that Trump said he’s got a better plan and would do it 30 days after election…)

On the plus side, it’s going to be a lot harder for ISIS to expect loyalty when their so-called “caliph” is dead. And they’re losing territory bit by bit.

I’ve often pondered on the fact that the trouble begins when these numbnuts - ISIS’ foreign fighters - return to their countries of origin. They’ve been defeated. Their outlandish End Times prophecies have been shown to be so much bunk. Certainly, many of their friends may well have been killed.

I could be mistaken in this, but I’m thinking they’re going to want revenge. And they’re not going to be too fussy about how they get it.

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Teukka  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:07:45am

re: #220 Birth Control Works

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I figured as much. Modded it a bit before passing it on:
“Do not accept a friend request from Lizzie Borden. You will get hacked.”

Have gotten 1 witty response in the form of “only if you axe for it”

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:08:25am

re: #177 Decatur Deb

I’d be careful with Carrie Nation, too.

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In photos, Carrie looks like a typically stereotyped little old lady. In fact she was 6 feet tall and weighed close to 200 pounds, a considerable margin over most men of the time. She also had backup from local churches and media when she was terrorizing Kansas saloon keepers around the turn of the last century. The authorities were at least tacitly on her side, too——-possibly because saloons themselves were technically illegal in Kansas. She was usually arrested pro forma after the damage was done and let go with a trivial fine. In some respects, she was an early example of a religious right terrorist.

addendum:

She described herself as “a bulldog running along at the feet of Jesus, barking at what He doesn’t like”, and claimed a divine ordination to promote temperance by destroying bars.

Just substitute gays, Muslims etc. for “bars” and AR-15s for Carrie’s hatchet, and you have today’s Talibaptists.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:09:02am

Talented actor Nelsan Ellis passed after an attempted home detox.

When 39-year-old actor Nelsan Ellis died Saturday, his manager Emily Saines said he died of “complications with heart failure.”

On Monday, though, Saines released a new statement showing the story to be much darker and complicated than that. The heart failure was caused by Ellis’s attempt to stop abusing alcohol on his own, which had been a lifelong but private struggle for the actor. The subsequent withdrawal led to his death.

I was that age when I got sober.

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plansbandc  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:10:07am

This guy was counter protesting at the Klan rally in Charlottesville, Virginia :D

Imgur

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:11:02am

Makeitstop -

Looks like yam jr. released the emails -

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:11:50am

re: #221 Dr Lizardo

So much of this strain of terrorism is decentralized and in the form of lone wolf attacks. IS continues to claim credit where possible, but it’s really just a bunch of disaffected guys who carry out these heinous attacks. There’s no easy way to protect against it - not when they’re using whatever means are at their disposal - trucks, knives, etc., as well as firearms and explosives.

The risk in the US remains incredibly low - it’s far more likely someone in the US gets caught up in a garden variety mass shooting (3+ shot) than a terror attack. But the terror attack gets the press, and Trump fixates on Islamic terrorism to the exclusion of all other forms of terrorism. That too influences IS (and the Islamophobes) into thinking they can get the clash of civilizations they want by hyping terror attacks and hoping they get a military response from the US that spurs even more people to join against the US.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:12:02am

I knew it was you Fredo.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:12:23am

re: #214 HappyWarrior

I see Donnie got into a Twitter shouting march with Ana. Unlike Donnie, she’s actually made something of herself other than being handed everything in life just like Donnie, his dad, brother, and sister.

Yeah Donny Junior is quite the guy.

/

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:13:02am
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Teukka  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:14:27am

re: #226 Stanley Sea

re: #230 lawhawk

Damn. Beat me to it.
He be heading under the bus?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:15:08am

re: #230 lawhawk

“This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump”

Is this from the emails? No Twitter for me today.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:15:39am

re: #225 plansbandc

This guy was counter protesting at the Klan rally in Charlottesville, Virginia :D

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Simple but works.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:16:23am

re: #229 Sir John Barron

Yeah Donny Junior is quite the guy.

/

Born with champagne on him, thinks he popped the cork.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:17:40am

re: #232 Sir John Barron

Is this from the emails? No Twitter for me today.

yup

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:17:43am

re: #232 Sir John Barron

Yes. It’s from email Goldstone sent to Junior. That same email also indicates Goldstone wanted to get Donald J. Trump in on this as well, but wanted to pass it by Junior first.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:18:53am

re: #236 lawhawk

Yes. It’s from email Goldstone sent to Junior. That same email also indicates Goldstone wanted to get Donald J. Trump in on this as well, but wanted to pass it by Junior first.

That Fredo says. These could be altered.

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BigPapa  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:20:07am

Donnie Jr’s lawyer must be having the conniptions right now.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:21:24am
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:22:35am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:23:13am

re: #236 lawhawk

Yes. It’s from email Goldstone sent to Junior. That same email also indicates Goldstone wanted to get Donald J. Trump in on this as well, but wanted to pass it by Junior first.

Just referring to that line about the Russian government’s support, just playing devil’s advocate here, but by itself that wouldn’t necessarily be incriminating. Can’t really control what one receives in an email if it wasn’t solicited.

However, to have gone on to 1) arrange a meeting with this guy and his associate; 2) Deny that any contact took place; 3) Deny and criticize anyone who suggested collusion between Russia and DJT; 4) say this was all just about adoptions; 5) for Jared to have lied about this on his security form, etc.

Republicans would be impeaching HRC for such evidence.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:23:28am

re: #222 Teukka

I figured as much. Modded it a bit before passing it on:
“Do not accept a friend request from Lizzie Borden. You will get hacked.”

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no, nt yet :)

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:24:10am

re: #239 Stanley Sea

Donny will no doubt plead ignorance here.

“Hey, we aren’t politicians or in government, we don’t know who to contact, etc.”

Also, only Trump can fix, etc.

/

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:25:05am

re: #240 FormerDirtDart

Confirmed from an NYT source: “We were preparing to publish” story — Don Jr. camp “asked for more time” to comment “and then pre-empted us”

— Brian Stelter

FAke News! Fake News! Don’t read FAke failing NYT!! Oh wait, look Donny released emails see how transparent and honest he is!!!

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:27:23am

The FBI was not aware of this meeting until the NYT stories.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:27:43am

And of course Donny has already said that the Russians claimed to have dirt on HRC and that he “of course” “had” to attend the meeting to get the dirt, because that’s what all campaigns do, etc.

/

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Teukka  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:29:08am

re: #246 Sir John Barron

And of course Donny has already said that the Russians claimed to have dirt on HRC and that he “of course” “had” to attend the meeting to get the dirt.

Only pulling the notion that they are willing to collude with a nation with which the US is not on friendly terms with in order to win the election further into focus.
*slow clap*

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:29:29am

This is why Jr released the email, the NYT had informed him they had it in their possession and were going to press with it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:30:03am

OOPS!

The New York Times has L’il Trumpy’s E-Mail…

nytimes.com

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:31:30am

re: #241 Sir John Barron

The solicitation came from Donald J. Trump asking Russia to hack Clinton. Everything else flows from that indisputable statement uttered on television and repeated ad nauseum in reruns. That was the action; this was a response by and through intermediaries.

That Trump Jr. thought this was the real deal and that they could have the goods on Clinton shows his own intent to further a criminal act. We’re talking about conspiracy to commit various crimes (where intent is what matters, even if the ultimate act is not achieved).

The equivalent is Junior wanted to go catch fish by fishing. He went on a boat and spent the day on the water with his rod and reel, but never caught a fish. That doesn’t mean Junior didn’t go fishing. He can’t say that he went sunning when he was on the boat and had the rod and reel. He went fishing, but didn’t achieve the goal of catching a fish.

That Trump Jr is idiotic enough to think that this somehow absolves him is actually staggering to me. That his lawyers thought this was a good idea (or even knew what he was up to) is staggering. Much more likely, given what we know of the Trump approach to lawsuits, is that Junior went ahead and released this without his lawyers knowing and that his lawyers are probably all like WTF Donny?!

Any lawyer worth their salt would make sure their client shuts up ahead of any kind of potential criminal prosecution to avoid implicating themselves in one or more crimes. Trump doesn’t know or care.

They should.

Also, Junior has opened the door for prosecutors to go after so much more about Junior’s background - everything from bank statements to emails, texts, phone calls, etc. All of his communications. All of it.

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:31:52am
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:32:15am

re: #245 Stanley Sea

The FBI was not aware of this meeting until the NYT stories.

Because the New York Office of the FBI was blinded by their obsession over Clinton’s email server.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:33:25am

re: #248 goddamnedfrank

He replied within minutes: “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.”

Four days later, after a flurry of emails, the intermediary wrote back, proposing a meeting in New York on Thursday with a “Russian government attorney.”

Donald Trump Jr. agreed, adding that he would likely bring along “Paul Manafort (campaign boss)” and “my brother-in-law,” Jared Kushner, now one of the president’s closest White House advisers.

I guess we can proceed to the THIS IS ALL FINE JUST WHAT DEMOCRAT PARTY DOES ALL THE TIME! stage of the investigation.

/

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:33:29am

re: #223 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Carrie Nation’s group, the Woman’s Christian Temperance Union, still exists and has about 5000 members (down from a peak of 350,000 in the early 1900s). It never openly endorsed her campaign of violence and vandalism but it did pay for her headstone, inscribed “Faithful to the Cause of Prohibition, She Hath Done What She Could.” Today, the WCTU still campaigns against booze and has added marijuana, other illegal drugs, and gay marriage to its list of targets. Official website.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:33:36am
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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:34:31am

The timeline for the events of the day of this email chain just makes it so much worse for Trump, because it becomes tantalizing close to Trump himself knowing what happened and being in the loop on these emails.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:34:41am

But she’s “not connected” to the Russian government.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:34:46am

re: #250 lawhawk

Can’t wait for the usual cast of characters to say that I STILL SEE NO EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION OR WRONGDOING OR ILLEGALITY HERE!!!

//

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:35:14am
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Ace Rothstein  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:36:20am

re: #258 Sir John Barron

Can’t wait for the usual cast of characters to say that I STILL SEE NO EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION OR WRONGDOING OR ILLEGALITY HERE!!!

//

The Rush Limbaugh show in 32 minutes.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:36:27am

Funniest thing you’ll read all day:

Donny Jr: “To everyone, in order to be totally transparent, I am releasing the entire email chain of my emails”…..about the June 9, 2016 meeting. .

12 months AFTER the meeting, Jr wants to be “totally transparent”.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:36:48am

re: #259 klys (maker of Silmarils)

This is fine. Everything is fine.

/

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:37:34am

re: #258 Sir John Barron

Can’t wait for the usual cast of characters to say that I STILL SEE NO EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION OR WRONGDOING OR ILLEGALITY HERE!!!

//

Just wait for Hannity tonight when he unleahses another Bengazi Bombshell

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:38:03am

re: #261 Dr. Matt

Funniest thing you’ll read all day:

“Yeah I made up that sht just the other day about it being a nothingburger meeting about adoptions but here I am being totally transparent.”

/

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:38:39am

re: #263 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just wait for Hannity tonight when he unleahses another Bengazi Bombshell

Tonight’s the night when Hannity will finally do the big reveal about Seth Rich’s death.

/

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:39:48am

re: #252 goddamnedfrank

Because the New York Office of the FBI was blinded by their obsession over Clinton’s email server.

Well how was the NYC based FBI supposed to know about goings on at the NYC based Trump campaign?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:40:41am

Has Greenwald weighed in yet with how this is all just very silly paranoia and old-fashioned McCarthism?

/

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:40:48am

re: #265 Sir John Barron

Tonight’s the night when Hannity will finally do the big reveal about Seth Rich’s death./

Tonight’s the night when Hannity will finally do the big reveal about Whitewater.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:40:54am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:41:18am

re: #266 Sir John Barron

Well how was the NYC based FBI supposed to know about goings on at the NYC based Trump campaign?

///////

Why, I’m sure Screwdy Ghouliani will have a sufficient excuse for his pals at the NY FBI Office…

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carey94tt  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:41:18am

re: #198 lawhawk

The problem with Atheism here is that I can’t with a good conscience say BURN IN HELL!

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Teukka  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:41:42am

re: #267 Sir John Barron

Has Greenwald weighed in yet with how this is all just very silly paranoia and old-fashioned McCarthism?

/

No. But ‘Baghdad Ted’ is rumored to have implied that the American people have no interest in the Russia debacle… ///. Or not.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:41:46am

re: #269 jaunte

Remember this? Manafort literally received an email that had the line, “This..is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”

— Haley Byrd

OK, yeah, but still no badge.

//

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:42:49am

Colre: #267 Sir John Barron

Has Greenwald weighed in yet with how this is all just very silly paranoia and old-fashioned McCarthism?

/

Probably will soon.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:42:57am

Of course the POTUS is already on record as stating that he canned Comey because of the Russian investigation.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:43:48am

I’m just sick thinking about all this guys.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:45:17am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:45:22am

re: #258 Sir John Barron

Can’t wait for the usual cast of characters to say that I STILL SEE NO EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION OR WRONGDOING OR ILLEGALITY HERE!!!

//

THEIR IS NO SUCH THING AS COLLUSION OR OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE OR TREASON OR ROBBERY OR MURDER WITH THE PRESIDENT!!!! TEH PRESIDENT IS ABOVE ALL GOVERNMENT LAWS!!!11!!

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:45:44am

re: #256 lawhawk

Drip…drip…drip…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:45:50am

re: #277 goddamnedfrank

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Exactly.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:47:04am

re: #267 Sir John Barron

Has Greenwald weighed in yet with how this is all just very silly paranoia and old-fashioned McCarthism?

/

Gosh, Jackasshole Julian and his Wikileaks pals will tweet the latest Russian approved bullshit in 5…4…3…2…1…

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:47:13am

re: #248 goddamnedfrank

This is why Jr released the email, the NYT had informed him they had it in their possession and were going to press with it.

Sarah Huckabee (probably): The only thing improper about these emails is the NYT threatening to release them.

/

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:48:53am

re: #249 Joe Bacon 🌹

OOPS!

The New York Times has L’il Trumpy’s E-Mail…

nytimes.com

The real outrage here is that the NYT had Donny’s emails and threatened to release!!! Who hacked Donny’s emails!??!?!??!

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:49:49am
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:50:25am

LOLOLOL!

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:50:59am

OT, but earlier today, I was puttering around Ostrava and I found this old semi-abandoned church the Esoteric Order of Dagon.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:51:38am

re: #267 Sir John Barron

Has Greenwald weighed in yet with how this is all just very silly paranoia and old-fashioned McCarthism?

/

He’s going with “no proof” and “no one knows who the leakers are.”

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Franklin  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:51:45am

re: #285 goddamnedfrank

OMG. I feel terrible and happy at the same time. Scooped by the subject himself.

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:52:10am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:52:13am

re: #285 goddamnedfrank

LOLOLOL!

Who is Sexton?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:53:28am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:53:58am

re: #284 FormerDirtDart

Hannity tonight: First of all, thanks, Donald for being here with us. I just want to say how brave it was of you to release these totally innocent emails that expose how the corrupt Clinton campaign tried to bring you and your father’s campaign down.

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:54:13am

re: #290 Sir John Barron

A journalist.

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:55:07am

While we’re lining up the treasonous Trump Cultists, let’s not forget this shitweasel - Saint 9/11 and his on-air blab about ‘surprises.’

Rudy Giuliani On FoxNews 2 Days Before The FBI Bombshell

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:55:41am

OFFS

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:56:28am

re: #291 Joe Bacon 🌹

He’ll sing Make America Great Again with that evangelical choir.

/

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:56:44am

re: #295 lawhawk

OFFS

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LOLOL I’m sure Mueller and his team will be watching with great interest. And recording it for posterity!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:57:03am

re: #295 lawhawk

He’s going to need more rope to hang himself with.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:57:21am

re: #295 lawhawk

OFFS

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW!!! Nobody else could get him but we here at the Sean Hannity program have the best access and scoops!!!

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:58:12am

re: #271 carey94tt

The problem with Atheism here is that I can’t with a good conscience say BURN IN HELL!

I figure it this way: Just because I don’t believe in hell doesn’t mean they can’t be reminded of their beliefs.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:59:12am
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:59:17am

re: #294 makeitstop

While we’re lining up the treasonous Trump Cultists, let’s not forget this shitweasel - Saint 9/11 and his on-air blab about ‘surprises.’

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Yes!

It may have been a Louise Mensch CT that I imbibed early on, but isn’t there some suspicion that the some of the NYC FBI are RG cronies and not entirely on the up and up concerning HRC?

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:59:29am

Is the Crown Prosecutor of Russia an equivalent to the Marshal of the Supreme Court?

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Interesting Times  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:59:42am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:59:49am

And here’s the (doctored?) chain mail from Asshole Junior…

cnn.com

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Teukka  Jul 11, 2017 • 8:59:56am

re: #298 HappyWarrior

He’s going to need more rope to hang himself with.

“Back in Back in” *waves to truck driver*

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:01:09am

re: #304 Interesting Times

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All rats turn on each other at one point.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:01:44am

Imagine how different the Constitution would read if Trump was the guy the Founders were fleeing.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:02:02am
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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:02:27am
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Belafon  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:03:03am

re: #290 Sir John Barron

Who is Sexton?

A reporter. Imagine working on something really hard, and then having someone undercut your effort. Now imagine that the person undercutting you is the person who would be in trouble if you reported, and they’ll be in trouble because they outed themselves. It is possible to be both happy and angry.

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b.d.  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:03:17am

Time to grab Donnie Jr’s passport before he becomes roomies with Snowden.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:03:22am

re: #311 Belafon

A reporter. Imagine working on something really hard, and then having someone undercut your effort. Now imagine that the person undercutting you is the person who would be in trouble if you reported, and they’ll be in trouble because they outed themselves. It is possible to be both happy and angry.

What publication is he with?

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:03:30am

re: #303 jaunte

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Is the Crown Prosecutor of Russia an equivalent to the Marshal of the Supreme Court?

If by “Crown Prosecutor”, he means this guy: en.wikipedia.org

Prosecutor General of Russia. Similar to Jeff Sessions; Attorney General.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:03:34am

What if Jr. faked these emails, released them, then says “Look how easily the fake media can be fooled!”…

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:03:51am

re: #302 Barefoot Grin

Yes!

It may have been a Louise Mensch CT that I imbibed early on, but isn’t there some suspicion that the some of the NYC FBI are RG cronies and not entirely on the up and up concerning HRC?

Yep. That cadaverous old fuck smooched mucho FBI ass. Claimed to have an ‘in.’

That son of a bitch deserves to be frog marched.

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:04:29am

re: #313 Sir John Barron

What publication is he with?


New York Times.

Disregard. I thought he was with the NYT. He’s a professor who has been published in various places such as the NYT.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:04:36am

re: #301 FormerDirtDart

It’s in between the lines.
/

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:04:38am

re: #310 jaunte

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Rhona is our Rose Mary Woods.

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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:04:46am

re: #1 Birth Control Works

Nevada Declares a State of Emergency After Running Out of Weed

[Comic Book Guy]Best. Headline. Ever.[/Comic Book Guy]

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b.d.  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:05:16am

I can’t wait for Donnie Jr and Hannity to talk about all of the new Hillary dirt!

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:05:21am
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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:05:38am

re: #258 Sir John Barron

Can’t wait for the usual cast of characters to say that I STILL SEE NO EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION OR WRONGDOING OR ILLEGALITY HERE!!!

//

Here ya go.

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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:06:13am

re: #308 GlutenFreeJesus

Imagine how different the Constitution would read if Trump was the guy the Founders were fleeing.

Based on the Federalist Papers, I’m not entirely sure he wasn’t exactly the guy they had in mind.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:06:29am

Roger Stone, a Republican strategist and long-time confidant of Trump, described Graff as a favored point of contact for “anyone who thinks the system in Washington will block their access.”
politico.com

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:06:32am

re: #315 GlutenFreeJesus

What if Jr. faked these emails, released them, then says “Look how easily the fake media can be fooled!”…

The NYT had them. How they got them I don’t know.

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darthstar  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:07:01am
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Belafon  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:08:35am

re: #324 KGxvi

Based on the Federalist Papers, I’m not entirely sure he wasn’t exactly the guy they had in mind.

You could possibly argue that the system set up does not handle everyone being able to vote (not just white male landowners). But what they failed to take into account was that there would ever be enough people that would not be opposed to a man under the influence of a foreign government.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:08:40am

He emailed Manafort & Kushner with the meeting time change.

Subject: Russia - Clinton private & confidential

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darthstar  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:09:31am

Well, at least we don’t have to listen to six months of ‘we can’t find them’…A man could make a fortune selling bullet proof shoes to the Trumps.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:09:42am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:10:25am

re: #329 Stanley Sea

He emailed Manafort & Kushner with the meeting time change.

Subject: Russia - Clinton private & confidential

Maybe Manafort or Kushner provided the emails to the NYT?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:10:33am

re: #315 GlutenFreeJesus

What if Jr. faked these emails, released them, then says “Look how easily the fake media can be fooled!”…

I was just thinking that…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:10:44am

re: #331 jaunte

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Of course they knew but they know that their disgusting base hates the Clintons more than they love their country.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:11:33am

re: #329 Stanley Sea

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He emailed Manafort & Kushner with the meeting time change.

Subject: Russia - Clinton private & confidential

Yeah, Fredo Corleone here just released that he forwarded the entire chain on to Kushner and Manafort, making it documented that they both were aware - or should have been aware - that they were going to this meeting in an attempt to engage in collusion with the Russian Government. This is quite literally in the first line of the e-mail chain. What the fuck is he thinking? Does he think this somehow exonerates him?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:12:33am

re: #335 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, Fredo Corleone here just released that he forwarded the entire chain on to Kushner and Manafort, making it documented that they both were aware - or should have been aware - that they were going to this meeting in an attempt to engage in collusion with the Russian Government. This is quite literally in the first line of the e-mail chain. What the fuck is he thinking? Does he think this somehow exonerates him?

Donny thinks he’s Teflon.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:14:20am

re: #336 Sir John Barron

Donny thinks he’s Teflon.

I can’t help but wonder if Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell imbibe - if I were either one of them, I’d be cracking open on a bottle, pouring a glass and softly muttering, “Well……fuck.”

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:15:32am
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darthstar  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:16:48am

re: #329 Stanley Sea

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He emailed Manafort & Kushner with the meeting time change.

Subject: Russia - Clinton private & confidential

Not to sound conspiratorial…but here’s some juicy conspiracy for you…honestly, I wouldn’t put it past Trump’s cabinet to do this with the VP, but I want that fucker to go down with Trump.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:16:59am

re: #331 jaunte

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His TL is a hoot:

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:18:23am

re: #339 darthstar

Pence himself.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:18:46am
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darthstar  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:19:24am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:19:34am

re: #342 Ace-o-aces

So? Not illegal. Not a crime.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:19:55am

re: #342 Ace-o-aces

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Ha! I think the angle will be “Did Susan Rice illegally unmask Donald Trump, the Junior?!”

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darthstar  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:20:29am

See? Donny’s innocent…he was talking about something else…stop taking his words in context!

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:21:11am

re: #338 goddamnedfrank

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:21:15am
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:23:05am
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Belafon  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:23:35am

re: #339 darthstar

Not to sound conspiratorial…but here’s some juicy conspiracy for you…honestly, I wouldn’t put it past Trump’s cabinet to do this with the VP, but I want that fucker to go down with Trump.

Here’s the deal on that: Let Pence try anything. His time in office will be painful.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:23:41am

re: #343 darthstar

To feel at home in opportunity-rich areas, you’ve got to understand the right barre techniques, sport the right baby carrier, have the right podcast, food truck, tea, wine and Pilates tastes, not to mention possess the right attitudes about David Foster Wallace, child-rearing, gender norms and intersectionality.

Me thinks he doth protest too much.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:23:57am

re: #343 darthstar

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Yeah, college education here, I have no fucking clue what that stuff is, over than capicollo.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:24:25am
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freetoken  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:25:56am

re: #343 darthstar

Brooks dumping on the college educated is too similar to Pew results I posted upstream.

Is it becoming “in” to make colleges now the enemy?

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:26:09am

re: #350 Belafon

Here’s the deal on that: Let Pence try anything. His time in office will be painful.

Yep. His aspirations will cripple his administration.

Nobody in this administration is thinking any of this through.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:26:32am

Russian Fever Burger

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:26:35am

re: #354 freetoken

Brooks dumping on the college educated is too similar to Pew results I posted upstream.

Is it becoming “in” to make colleges now the enemy?

Yes.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:26:53am

re: #354 freetoken

Brooks dumping on the college educated is too similar to Pew results I posted upstream.

Is it becoming “in” to make colleges now the enemy?

I am surprised he didn’t take the friend to an Applebee’s salad bar.

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freetoken  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:27:38am

The idiocracy emerges from the post-post-modern dadaism.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:28:05am

re: #354 freetoken

Brooks dumping on the college educated is too similar to Pew results I posted upstream.

Is it becoming “in” to make colleges now the enemy?

Remember in 2008 when Frothy Santorum called Obama a snob because Obama wanted to expand opportunities for college to high school graduates?

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:28:31am

This guy is a fucking idiot.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:29:02am

re: #352 Timothy Watson

Yeah, college education here, I have no fucking clue what that stuff is, over than capicollo.

I know Soppressa because it’s near the cheeses at Harris Teeter. I’m also a bit of a foodie. Brooks comes off like a snobbish asshole here.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:29:17am

re: #360 Ace Rothstein

Remember in 2008 when Frothy Santorum called Obama a snob because Obama wanted to expand opportunities for college to high school graduates?

The JD/MBA Rick Santorum no less.

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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:29:18am

re: #328 Belafon

You could possibly argue that the system set up does not handle everyone being able to vote (not just white male landowners). But what they failed to take into account was that there would ever be enough people that would not be opposed to a man under the influence of a foreign government.

I reread the Federalist Papers on the electoral college back in November following the election. It seems pretty obvious that the original idea behind the Electoral College was that the Electors would not be bound to a particular candidate. We’ve changed the system so much over the intervening 230 years, though that our system is fairly different from what they envisioned.

(Also, who was actually allowed to vote was originally left up to the states, New Jersey actually had something resembling universal suffrage in the first decade or two after ratification)

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:30:06am

re: #363 Timothy Watson

The JD/MBA Rick Santorum no less.

Rick Santorum who rags on public education has all of his education from you guessed it public schools.

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garzooma  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:30:51am

re: #346 darthstar

See? Donny’s innocent…he was talking about something else…stop taking his words in context!

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“It it’s what you say I love it”

Right, who doesn’t love orphans?

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:31:22am

re: #361 goddamnedfrank

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:31:41am

You could have a photo of Donnie meeting with Putin in the Kremlin and the Trumpers would find some excuse for it guys.

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:32:31am

So, this happened. The world’s gone nuts, I tell ya. Nuts.

On Tuesday morning, 24 hours after the incorrect report fueled a days worth of incorrect discussion about Comey’s memos, Fox & Frends co-host Steve Doocy issued an on-air statement that the show was “mistaken.”

“Yesterday on this program we aired and tweeted this story saying former FBI director James Comey leaked memos containing top secret information,” Doocy said. “We were mistaken, in that according to the report half of the information in the report clarified secret or classified level, not top secret.

“Documents in which Mr. Comey leaked are at this point unclear,” Doocy added. “Just wanted to straighten that out.”

My guess is that Legal told them they were exposing themselves to a potential libel suit.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:32:47am

About Nataliya the lawyer:

bloomberg.com

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:33:06am

1) Was this intended as blackmail, like the alleged pee tape, but Donny was too dumb to realize he was burned?

2) NPR just used the “t” word.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:35:27am

re: #369 makeitstop

So, this happened. The world’s gone nuts, I tell ya. Nuts.

My guess is that Legal told them they were exposing themselves to a potential libel suit.

“In our zeal to smear Comey we inadvertently passed on BS information.”

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:35:39am

re: #367 MsJ

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Exactly. First we should all be clear that Jr is lying about the meeting not being productive or resulting in the campaign getting any info. That’s obvious bullshit, it’s why he lied all through the campaign about not having any Russian contacts. At that meeting they set up the Alfa Bank server connection as the secret backchannel for deciding which information Russia should release to Wikileaks and when it should be released. That’s why that backchannel only really became active and data traffic started spiking in the days after the meeting.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:37:12am

re: #350 Belafon

Here’s the deal on that: Let Pence try anything. His time in office will be painful.

Exactly, the illegitimacy of the whole thing will stick.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:37:29am

re: #373 goddamnedfrank

At that meeting they set up the Alfa Bank server connection as the secret backchannel for deciding which information Russia should release to Wikileaks and when it should be released.

I missed this part. Alfa Bank server?

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darthstar  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:37:48am

re: #349 goddamnedfrank

Now I want a burger.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:37:53am

Someone needs to tell Rush that no one has used “nothing burger” since the Clinton administration.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:38:24am

re: #373 goddamnedfrank

Exactly. First we should all be clear that Jr is lying about the meeting not being productive or resulting in the campaign getting any info. That’s obvious bullshit, it’s why he lied all through the campaign about not having any Russian contacts. At that meeting they set up the Alfa Bank server connection as the secret backchannel for deciding which information Russia should release to Wikileaks and when it should be released. That’s why that backchannel only really became active and data traffic started spiking in the days after the meeting.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:38:31am

re: #373 goddamnedfrank

Exactly. First we should all be clear that Jr is lying about the meeting not being productive or resulting in the campaign getting any info.

“Yeah we met with the Russians to get dirt on Hillary. But they totally didn’t offer any! Can you believe it? Anyway, that’s why I’m innocent.”

/

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freetoken  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:38:35am

From Brooks:

In her thorough book “The Sum of Small Things,” Elizabeth Currid-Halkett argues that the educated class establishes class barriers not through material consumption and wealth display but by establishing practices that can be accessed only by those who possess rarefied information.

Said information can be found in public libraries and free on Google.

Life is not fair. People start out not all on the same footing. Some children just have a head start due to circumstances they did not create.

Not only is this not new, it’s never really been denied by anyone who is open to a discussion on the issue.

It is a strawman to put up that somehow we have previously pretended to live in a flat-society. There was no pretense of such.

What well meaning people have done, and which has reaped some reward, is by taxing the rich we can provide more education to the poor.

Yet even that is now under attack by the atavists.

So the last thing I’m going to challenge is those who are well educated but who will acknowledge that those with more money carry more responsibility for paying for our civilization.

It’s those who are wealthy who want to escape this responsibility at whom I’m peeved.

So if there’s some double-Doctorate couple out there pulling down a household income of $250k, and send their kid to a private school, I’m not going to point my finger at them and say they are the problem, as long as they are willing to pay their taxes to fund education for those less well of then them.

On the other hand, some “Libertarian” 24y.o. geek on the internet who complains about taxes because he’s working at some fast food place and sees he’s paying for SS out of his check, and wants to eliminate the evil government - he’s the one who I think is the real problem. He’s clueless about how progress is made, and just wants to escape into some fantasy.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:38:38am

Emails are going to sink the Trump Regime. How amusing.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:39:19am

Someone also needs to tell Rush that Fredo himself released the email chain. Rush just said that no one has seen the emails.

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darthstar  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:39:27am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:40:18am

re: #382 Ace Rothstein

Someone also needs to tell Rush that Fredo himself released the email chain. Rush just said that no one has seen the emails.

Rushbo probably means the real super double secret probation emails.

/

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:40:31am
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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:40:33am

re: #376 darthstar

Now I want a burger.

How about a гамбургер?

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:40:46am

re: #375 Sir John Barron

I missed this part. Alfa Bank server?

A loose end that no one could tie to anything at first.

I’m pretty sure that Mueller has tied that one up.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:41:30am

re: #375 Sir John Barron

I missed this part. Alfa Bank server?

Here.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:41:40am

re: #380 freetoken

From Brooks:

Said information can be found in public libraries and free on Google.

Life is not fair. People start out not all on the same footing. Some children just have a head start due to circumstances they did not create.

Not only is this not new, it’s never really been denied by anyone who is open to a discussion on the issue.

It is a strawman to put up that somehow we have previously pretended to live in a flat-society. There was no pretense of such.

What well meaning people have done, and which has reaped some reward, is by taxing the rich we can provide more education to the poor.

Yet even that is now under attack by the atavists.

So the last thing I’m going to challenge is those who are well educated but who will acknowledge that those with more money carry more responsibility for paying for our civilization.

It’s those who are wealthy who want to escape this responsibility at whom I’m peeved.

So if there’s some double-Doctorate couple out there pulling down a household income of $250k, and send their kid to a private school, I’m not going to point my finger at them and say they are the problem, as long as they are willing to pay their taxes to fund education for those less well of then them.

On the other hand, some “Libertarian” 24y.o. geek on the internet who complains about taxes because he’s working at some fast food place and sees he’s paying for SS out of his check, and wants to eliminate the evil government - he’s the one who I think is the real problem. He’s clueless about how progress is made, and just wants to escape into some fantasy.

This is a pretty odd argument for conservatives to start making since they’ve telling us for decades about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:42:02am

And as more and more damning information comes out about the Trump Regime, there were be fewer GOP defenders as DJT has done everything in his power to make nearly everyone a target or an enemy.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:42:30am

I keep on thinking about Sideshow Bob scoffing at attempted murder charges and thinking the Trumps view treason the same way.

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freetoken  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:43:53am

re: #390 Dr. Matt

The ones I still see defending Trump on Facebook are the diehard Trumpers and the “libertarians” a.k.a. nihilists of the alt-right variety.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:44:01am

re: #391 HappyWarrior

I keep on thinking about Sideshow Bob scoffing at attempted murder charges and thinking the Trumps view treason the same way.

“No, it means ‘The Bart, the’. It’s German.”
“Anyone who speaks German can’t possibly be evil!”

Or something to that effect - I’m relying on memory.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:44:23am
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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:44:51am

re: #392 freetoken

The ones I still see defending Trump on Facebook are the diehard Trumpers and the “libertarians” a.k.a. nihilists of the alt-right variety.

I purged my facebook of Trump supporters. Morally, it was the right decision for me.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:44:53am

re: #393 Dr Lizardo

“No, it means ‘The Bart, the’. It’s German.”
“Anyone who speaks German can’t possibly be evil!”

Or something to that effect - I’m relying on memory.

Heh that too. But “Come on, do they give a Nobel for attempted chemistry?”

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:45:17am
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Belafon  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:45:26am

re: #380 freetoken

From Brooks:

Said information can be found in public libraries and free on Google.

I can get a bachelor degree at the library?

That’s the practice. Of course we can learn some of that stuff online. I did. A lot. To the point where I was a better software engineer than coworkers with degrees. And yet it’s the bachelors and masters degrees I got after that have opened doors. Which I was able to get because Texas paid for my education after the Navy. A program which Republicans are trying to shut down. Because too many others were getting degrees.

I’ve seen “life is not fair.” And one of the bars is that a degree is required, not for the skills, but because it separates people.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:46:37am

re: #269 jaunte

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Ok Mama, there’s your fucking badge.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:46:41am

So I guess the takeaway is that Burn After Reading was not so much fiction as much as it was prophecy; a pack of bumbling fools making deals with the Russians while an ex-intel officer is left dumbfounded by the sheer level of stupidity he is witnessing.

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Jay C  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:46:50am

re: #362 HappyWarrior

I know Soppressa because it’s near the cheeses at Harris Teeter. I’m also a bit of a foodie. Brooks comes off like a snobbish asshole here.

Yeah, he does: but as usual with Brooks, he tries to hide it behind a scrim of “concern” for the cultural sensitivities of “just plain folks” Real Americans, There’s no doubt HE knows what all that stuff is*, but likes to put on that it’s some sort of National Tragedy that (in the minds of his strawman upper-crust liberal snobs) those JPFs have to know the “right” foods, goods, etc. to seem “real” to those straw libs: and of course, earning Pundit Points for himself for pointing it out.

* Standard Italian deli goods: most people in New York (educational attainments notwithstanding) would know what they are.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:47:48am

re: #397 jaunte

“I don’t think this is relevant to the Trump administration” - Sen. Hatch on Trump Jr.’s emails

— Matt Laslo

JFC

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:48:01am

re: #188 Interesting Times

Yikes…talk about a headline that perfectly encapsulates my worst fears:

Can democracy survive hordes of willfully ignorant voters?

Money quote (writer is talking about flat-earthers, but you could just as easily substitute anti-vaxxers, climate deniers, YECs, etc):

That goes back to the argument on-line the other day I had with a vegan, who insisted that Vitamin B-12 occurs naturally in water. It is only city water plants chlorinating water that “kills” B-12, making it necessary to either eat meat or take supplemental vitamins.

Funny that city water supplies aren’t actually required to chlorinate water, unless the water supply tests positive for coliform bacteria. No one who owns a well chlorinates their water.

No amount of evidence would satisfy this moonbat (or wingnut, I couldn’t tell). I’m just some horrible animal murderer trying to make shit up.

In the meantime, this morning we are in fact chlorinating our water (about a once-a-year occurrence), because the water lab called me at home to tell me yesterday’s coliform test came back marginal (2 cells / 100 ml). Maybe we shouldn’t have fixed our water tower /s. I was out firing up the mothballed chlorinators and overflowing the water tower (to get chlorine into it). Next test Thursday. Probably get calls all morning from people telling me “the water tower is overflowing.”

Folk in town complain about having a city water supply in a town of just over a hundred people and having to pay for things like chlorine (but not a water operator, as I noted yesterday this is like a job but without the benefit of the slavery of wages - heaven forfend they pay me for this).

If we cannot operate our water system however, we are required to get someone else (who would charge us a fortune, as the town found out when our water operator died and we had to get someone to come in forty miles to run it), or the state will make everyone put in a well and septic tank (and that would be way more expensive than our water system).

By this afternoon the overflow from the tower should measure positive for chlorine, then I can put the wells back on automatic and quit flooding the town.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:48:37am

re: #402 Sir John Barron

Even the deflections are stupid.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:49:30am

re: #401 Jay C

Yeah, he does: but as usual with Brooks, he tries to hide it behind a scrim of “concern” for the cultural sensitivities of “just plain folks” Real Americans, There’s no doubt HE knows what all that stuff is*, but likes to put on that it’s some sort of National Tragedy that (in the minds of his strawman upper-crust liberal snobs) those JPFs have to know the “right” foods, goods, etc. to seem “real” to those straw libs: and of course, earning Pundit Points for himself for pointing it out.

* Standard Italian deli goods: most people in New York (educational attainments notwithstanding) would know what they are.

He seems to be from the Buckley-Trump school of being a snob but acting like those liberals are the real snobs.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:49:44am

re: #397 jaunte

“The Trump campaign is in the past, none of that stuff matters now that we’re in the Trump administration.”

/

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:50:37am

re: #290 Sir John Barron

Who is Sexton?

A navigator?

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freetoken  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:51:03am

re: #398 Belafon

I was replying to his comment about some secretive information.

What you’re raising in the problem of accreditation. Simply having an institution (of some sort) bestow their blessing on you and now you have a piece of paper to wave around.

That is a problem that has also always been with us but I think it’s reinforced in all sorts of ways, not just with college degrees. Ultimately it’s back to the “us” part of “us vs. them” - we define the “us” by finding a way to differentiate people.

I’ve long been fond of finding a way to change higher education in the US, to do away with the current structure of degrees and degree programs. I’d much rather have institutions emphasize learning for the sake of learning, and then if we need a way to illustrate that any particular person has a skill in a particular area, that we have an accreditation process that isn’t based on ass-hours-in-classroom-seats but rather on demonstrated experience and expertise.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:51:16am

re: #389 Sir John Barron

This is a pretty odd argument for conservatives to start making since they’ve telling us for decades about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

Personal responsibility doesn’t apply to Republicans. Or rich people.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:52:19am

Sergeant Pence: “I know NOTHING!”

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Myron Falwell  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:53:35am
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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:53:48am
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garzooma  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:54:01am

re: #375 Sir John Barron

I missed this part. Alfa Bank server?

re: #388 goddamnedfrank

Here.

Also, from the previous thread.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:55:28am
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Myron Falwell  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:55:36am

re: #285 goddamnedfrank

LOLOLOL!

On the scale of “can’t even,” I think we’ve reached either eleventy or threeve.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:55:37am

re: #402 Sir John Barron

JFC

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piratedan  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:55:45am

re: #397 jaunte

it’s responses like the one from Hatch that lead me to believe that the entire upper echelon of the GOP is dirty..

not only did they solicit assistance in damaging the Clinton campaign

I’m guessing that they also took money and laundered it as campaign contributions
they also used Russian help to flip key Congressional races

the GOP is completely compromised and the only ones left untainted were folks that were not in GOP leadership positions, so I guess I’m implying that yes, Priebus, Ryan, McConnell, McCarthy, Scalise, McCain, Pence, Hatch, and Cornyn are all dirty.

How in the fuck do we root out that rot as a country?

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:56:37am
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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:57:36am

re: #417 piratedan

Citizens Oligarchs United.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 9:59:13am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:00:16am

re: #417 piratedan

it’s responses like the one from Hatch that lead me to believe that the entire upper echelon of the GOP is dirty..

not only did they solicit assistance in damaging the Clinton campaign

I’m guessing that they also took money and laundered it as campaign contributions
they also used Russian help to flip key Congressional races

the GOP is completely compromised and the only ones left untainted were folks that were not in GOP leadership positions, so I guess I’m implying that yes, Priebus, Ryan, McConnell, McCarthy, Scalise, McCain, Pence, Hatch, and Cornyn are all dirty.

How in the fuck do we root out that rot as a country?

It seems impossible to do.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:00:22am

re: #417 piratedan

Look at the scandal that has plagued the Catholic Church since it was forced out in the open. We’re about to see the same thing erupt in the entirety of the Republican Party. It’s going to get really ugly and almost impossible to clean up.

I’m pretty sure that the passengers on the Titanic thought that the iceberg looked oh so pretty from a distance.

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freetoken  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:00:29am

re: #417 piratedan

My suspicion is that the upper echelon of the GOP know that if Trump goes down that he’s going to pull down a lot of people with him.

Which is why they are trying so hard to ignore it all, in the hopes that it’ll all go away.

I think the Trump family hubris is so great that there is no escape from the maelstrom for any Republican, unless he/she will openly rebuke the Trumps and their own party.

I’ve seen almost no Republican do that.

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CongoJack  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:00:56am

As I watch all this new information come out I come back to:
GOP RICO Charges (Daily KOS)

I await the RICO charges for the entire Repub Party. This will be nasty when it all ends.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:00:56am

re: #423 freetoken

My suspicion is that the upper echelon of the GOP know that if Trump goes down that he’s going to pull down a lot of people with him.

Which is why they are trying so hard to ignore it all, in the hopes that it’ll all go away.

I think the Trump family hubris is so great that there is no escape from the maelstrom for any Republican, unless he/she will openly rebuke the Trumps and their own party.

I’ve seen almost no Republican do that.

I suspect you’re right.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:01:24am

This stuff literally is worse than Watergate.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:02:05am

re: #271 carey94tt

The problem with Atheism here is that I can’t with a good conscience say BURN IN HELL!

I’ll settle for a very long term in jail making big rocks into little rocks, and little rocks into sand.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:03:49am

re: #422 Myron Falwell

Look at the scandal that has plagued the Catholic Church since it was forced out in the open. We’re about to see the same thing erupt in the entirety of the Republican Party. It’s going to get really ugly and almost impossible to clean up.

I’m pretty sure that the passengers on the Titanic thought that the iceberg looked oh so pretty from a distance.

They were actually kicking around chunks of ice that had fallen on to the deck. The deadly seriousness of their situation didn’t kick in for about another hour or so.

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:05:24am

Thread.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:05:34am

Couldn’t hurt to ask.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:06:18am

re: #423 freetoken

They wanted to defeat Hillary so badly that they, as a political party and with 60 million voters behind them, did the worst thing humanly possible.

The level of participation doesn’t matter. What matters is that they are likely all guilty.

Outside of forced “denazification”-like deprogramming among the GOP rank-and-file, what CAN be done, really?

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piratedan  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:06:25am

re: #426 HappyWarrior

by an exponential scale… it’s one thing to screw over a political opponent, to bring in a foreign agency to do it for you and that agency has been a long time opponent of your country, both as a social and political entity, I can’t even begin to describe the depth of my shock that the very things that the GOP professes to embody, patriotism, self-reliance, personal responsibility is essentially bullshit (not that those concepts are bad, but the GOP profession to using them as touchstones for their policy is bullshit).

It’s incredibly sad that we’re so human as to let racism and greed drive our political process.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:06:33am

re: #423 freetoken

My suspicion is that the upper echelon of the GOP know that if Trump goes down that he’s going to pull down a lot of people with him.

Which is why they are trying so hard to ignore it all, in the hopes that it’ll all go away.

I think the Trump family hubris is so great that there is no escape from the maelstrom for any Republican, unless he/she will openly rebuke the Trumps and their own party.

I’ve seen almost no Republican do that.

By the time they realize it’s not going to “just go away”, it’ll be far, far too late for the GOP elite.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:06:48am

BRB - Water tower tests positive for chlorine, I have to go put the wells back on automatic.

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freetoken  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:07:31am

re: #426 HappyWarrior

This stuff literally is worse than Watergate.

There have been many political scandals in the US during my lifetime. Most centered around personal foibles that while meaningful to the family involved, usually adultery, in the big picture don’t matter so much. Even most white-collar crime, which often is about money, are pretty straightforward cases of greed.

The malicious ignorance of the Trump gang is probably more damaging to us in the long run. Going back to that recent Pew poll, we are now at a time when a non-trivial portion of our society is buying into the idea that education is evil.

This is the Trump Effect - making willful ignorance a virtue.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:07:38am

Deleted.

Didn’t realize it was an old tweet.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:08:39am

re: #216 HappyWarrior

I keep on hoping that the election of Trump was the last yell of a segment of the country angry at how much we’ve changed but my optimism isn’t what it was. There’s a lot of ignorant people out there and they do vote. The rise of the alt-right just disturbs the hell out of me. The alt-right ain’t old farts. They’re predominately younger.

Thank you…from a boomer that is sick of people blaming boomers for everything. No age group is clean in this U.S. political mess.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:11:01am

re: #437 ObserverArt

Thank you…from a boomer that is sick of people blaming boomers for everything. No age group is clean in this U.S. political mess.

My political views were most shaped by a boomer whose views in turn were shaped by a man born in 1913. And you’re absolutely right. No group is clean in this at all and like yourself I get sick of the generation bashing.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:11:37am

re: #429 makeitstop

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:12:14am

re: #218 lawhawk

Yup. It looks like he’s toast. Good. Problem is that there’s plenty more like him out there looking to cause trouble.

The good news is that Trump’s ISIS policy is essentially continuing Obama policy. (snort - considering that Trump said he’s got a better plan and would do it 30 days after election…)

Trump is allowing the military to do what it deems necessary. So, they went with Obama’s policy designed by his Defense Department.

Of course Trump will be taking credit…but hopefully the military will make it clear it was Obama’s plan all along.

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Kragar  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:13:04am
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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:14:06am

re: #441 ObserverArt

Trump is allowing the military to do what it deems necessary. So, they went with Obama’s policy designed by his Defense Department.

Of course Trump will be taking credit…but hopefully the military will make it clear it was Obama’s plan all along.

I doubt the military brass would say anything along those lines, too close to politics. But a career civilian employee in DOJ? I could see someone like that making the point.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:15:44am

re: #442 Kragar

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That’s going to be the amusing thing. When after years of kissing Putin’s ass, Turmp and friends are going to realize that the Russians don’t give two fucks about them and they were pawns in Putin’s game.

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:17:54am

I was hoping to get some work done today, I really was.

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b.d.  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:18:52am

I bet Mexico will pay for a wall around the Trump family if we ask them.

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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:21:16am

All this talk about not being able to trust the Russians reminds me of this:

Boris the Blade Snatch

(probably NSFW due to language)

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CongoJack  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:21:44am

re: #445 makeitstop

Me too…

I feel like I keep rubbernecking over to news from work as I just can’t help myself from watching the dumpster fire continue to grow.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:22:49am
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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:23:19am

It makes me kind of sad that Jimmy Breslin and Hunter Thompson aren’t around to cover this. They lived for huge messy stories like this.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:24:14am
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Interesting Times  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:24:58am

Oooh…here’s an intriguing theory to say the least (see whole thread):

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:25:02am

At this point not even the two Corinthians can help the Trump Regime.

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:25:05am

re: #446 b.d.

I bet Mexico will pay for a wall around the Trump family if we ask them.

We probably couldn’t handle the influx of volunteers that would be willing to build that wall.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:25:25am

re: #451 Ace-o-aces

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It served its purpose to spread bullshit to Trump who in turn will spread bullshit to his supporters. This wasn’t a mistake. They know exactly waht they’re doing at FNC.

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sagehen  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:26:33am

re: #450 makeitstop

It makes me kind of sad that Jimmy Breslin and Hunter Thompson aren’t around to cover this. They lived for huge messy stories like this.

Also Molly Ivans, ‘cause she’d make it funny.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:27:09am

Where is Allegro??? I have something I’ve been holding & she’s busy with kitties.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:27:19am

re: #445 makeitstop

I was hoping to get some work done today, I really was.

I’ve washed the section of the quilt my grandmother made that the cats had a particularly nasty hairball on while we were gone. I can’t do anything about the colors that ran, but hopefully I got some of the catfood-infused stain out.

I remind myself that it’s just evidence that we use the quilt as it was intended, instead of treating it like a precious family heirloom to never be seen.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:28:24am

re: #416 MsJ

“I don’t think this is relevant to the Trump administration” - Sen. Hatch on Trump Jr.’s emails

— Matt Laslo

Hatch is right. This Don Jr emails are gonna kill, just kill, the Jimmy Carter administration.

//

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:28:30am

re: #452 Interesting Times

The thing is, check @JYSexton - he’s been working on this story for a long time….

??

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:28:55am

re: #456 sagehen

Also Molly Ivans, ‘cause she’d make it funny.

Yes, Molly. Imagine Molly dogging Trump on Twitter?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:28:55am

re: #460 Stanley Sea

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:29:08am

re: #449 goddamnedfrank

Veselnitskaya just gratuitously slut shaming Jr this morning.

— Frankly My Dear

I love smell of slut shaming a Trump in the morning afternoon.

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Kragar  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:30:03am
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b.d.  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:30:11am

re: #463 Sir John Barron

I love smell of slut shaming a Trump in the morning afternoon.

Russia throwing Donny Jr. under the Lada

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:31:23am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:31:47am

re: #462 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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LMAO.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:32:27am

re: #464 Kragar

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It’s almost like Trumpers have no sense of integrity at all and are “deplorable.”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:33:15am

This made me laugh a lot. Your mileage may vary:

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:33:47am

re: #465 b.d.

Russia throwing Donny Jr. under the Lada ZIL 41047

FTFY.

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b.d.  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:33:54am
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Kragar  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:34:11am
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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:34:20am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:34:50am

Don’t worry I’m sure Sean Hannity will clear everything up tonight with his “interview” of Junior.

/

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:34:57am

re: #472 Kragar

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Whatever you moralist dick.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:35:03am

Philip Bump at the Post just flagged this Trump speech from June 7th, four days after Don Goldstone’s first contact with Don Jr and two days before the meeting at Trump Tower on June 9th.

Trump promises big news about Hillary Clinton’s crimes in a speech on “probably” June 13th.”

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Lidane  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:35:25am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:35:34am

re: #472 Kragar

A new response!

This is old, campaign stuff, irrelevant!

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:36:10am

re: #476 Stanley Sea

Philip Bump at the Post just flagged this Trump speech from June 7th, four days after Don Goldstone’s first contact with Don Jr and two days before the meeting at Trump Tower on June 9th.

Trump promises big news about Hillary Clinton’s crimes in a speech on “probably” June 13th.”

Coincidence, I’m sure.

/////

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Lidane  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:36:36am

There’s literally a Trump tweet for everything:

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:37:09am

We were fucking sold out by these assholes. If the right was a fraction of the patriots they claim to be, they’d want Trump and his cohorts in jail for a very long time but Putin’s okay becaues he shares their homophobia and xenophobia. Don’t ever question my patriotism again you fuckclowns.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:37:36am

re: #480 Lidane

There’s literally a Trump tweet for everything:

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Yes, that describes you and your father pretty well, Dumbo Jr.

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Renaissance_Man  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:39:44am

I wish I had faith that this would result in anything, even the smallest of legal consequences. Unfortunately I don’t.

I once did, back when I believed America was a nation of laws. However, it is quite clear that laws do not apply to white Republicans, especially rich white Republicans, and especially authoritarian rich white Republicans.

When was the last time someone like that actually faced and received a legal consequence? The Bundy gang was arrested, and then completely exonerated, acquitted of all charges. Authoritarian cops murder black people blatantly and willingly, and are subsequently acquitted. I can’t think of a high profile case or person in the last decade where justice was actually served.

America has always been a self-correcting nation. Whatever the problem, it has always ultimately corrected because of the power given to the people. In the 21st century, however, we found the ability to corrupt not just a few people, but millions of people. We found that with mass media and the internet, we could make half of the people members of an evil cult. So how does it correct now? How do you have legal consequences when the jury of your peers, the officials who bring the charges, are also members of the cult?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:40:36am

You know what would be an unforgivable sin? If Dems didn’t win control of Congress, both chambers, in 2018. Given the state of redistricting, and the number of seats they must defend next year, it’s possible they won’t win either. But with everything coming out about this gang of criminals…

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:40:50am

re: #270 Joe Bacon 🌹

Why, I’m sure Screwdy Ghouliani will have a sufficient excuse for his pals at the NY FBI Office…

Notice how Rudy has been real quiet and laying real low lately.

He either is in deep and trying to stay out of the way of the Trumps…

…or…

…he may be one of the people that is selling Trump down the river to protect his own ass.

I know one thing, I wouldn’t trust Rudy no way…no how.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:42:08am

… it’s a fixed game we seem to be playing.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:44:41am

re: #485 ObserverArt

Notice how Rudy has been real quiet and laying real low lately.

He either is in deep and trying to stay out of the way of the Trumps…

…or…

…he may be one of the people that is selling Trump down the river to protect his own ass.

I know one thing, I wouldn’t trust Rudy no way…no how.

That actually wouldn’t surprise me one iota; it’s certainly being rumored (and I have to emphasize rumored) that Flynn has possibly turned state’s evidence.

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garzooma  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:46:42am

re: #218 lawhawk

Yup. It looks like he’s toast. Good. Problem is that there’s plenty more like him out there looking to cause trouble.

The good news is that Trump’s ISIS policy is essentially continuing Obama policy. (snort - considering that Trump said he’s got a better plan and would do it 30 days after election…)

Although Flynn did try to sabotage the Obama plan as a favor to his client, Erdogan.

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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:46:46am

re: #487 Dr Lizardo

That actually wouldn’t surprise me one iota; it’s certainly being rumored (and I have to emphasize rumored) that Flynn has possibly turned state’s evidence.

Given Trump’s track record over the last 40 years, you have to figure that anyone involved with him in the last 2 years knows to not trust him. Trump may actually finally be in a spot where he’s the guy left holding the bag.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:47:15am

So the new wingnut talking point is how “Ukraine tried to help Hillary.”

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:48:43am

re: #490 Ace Rothstein

So the new wingnut talking point is how “Ukraine tried to help Hillary.”

LOL

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:48:51am

Seen on Facebook:

This is going to end up with Melania giving a five-word press conference -
“I hate Moose and Squirrel.”

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:49:53am

re: #490 Ace Rothstein

So the new wingnut talking point is how “Ukraine tried to help Hillary.”

The GOP right now:

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:50:04am

re: #490 Ace Rothstein

So the new wingnut talking point is how “Ukraine tried to help Hillary.”

Ukraine isn’t our enemy. Ukraine also isn’t run by an autocratic pig.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:51:00am

Fave it wingnuts, after years of claiming to be more patriotic than us, you’ve been exposed as Putin’s bitches.

496
jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:51:36am

re: #490 Ace Rothstein

So the new wingnut talking point is how “Ukraine tried to help Hillary.”

It’s a sure bet that Ukraine critiques originate from Putin.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:52:10am

re: #494 HappyWarrior

Ukraine isn’t our enemy. Ukraine also isn’t run by an autocratic pig.

Ukraine also isn’t a nuclear power.

498
ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:53:34am

re: #312 b.d.

Time to grab Donnie Jr’s passport before he becomes roomies with Snowden.

Let him try to run. That would be the ultimate sign of guilt.

You know, I am kind of wondering if this email thing and the meeting was Putin getting Donny Jr. in deep for a little extra “oomph” to keep big Don in line if and when needed.

Get the son dirty by falling for all this, that may not even be real, and then hold it over the entire Trump campaign to make them dance to your tune.

The meeting is the thing…there may never have been any actual substance to give Junior, they just wanted him to fall for the contact.

I think Putin really knew how stupid this family is.

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:54:00am

Heh, indeedy.

Donald Trump Jr. is just Staggeringly Incompetent.

There is much to be shocked by in the revelation that Donald Trump Jr. was offered incriminating information about Hillary Clinton as “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.” There’s the fact that the president’s son accepted the offer. There’s the fact that he offered advice on when the information should be released for maximal political impact (“especially later in the summer”). There’s the fact that he took a meeting with someone described to him as a “Russian government lawyer” to discuss the information.

And then there’s the fact that did all this in an email chain, a chain that could be and was retrieved and released for the public and prosecutors to see.

What Trump Jr. did was morally wrong — there’s little doubt about that. What you do when foreign governments offer you assistance in an election is call the FBI, just like the Gore campaign did in 2000 when they were mysteriously sent video of George W. Bush’s debate practice.

But Trump Jr.’s behavior was not just wrong. It was staggeringly, astonishingly incompetent. He didn’t just engage in a conspiracy to enlist a foreign government to help win an election, he left written records proving that was what he had done.

Beyond the criminal and moral issues at stake, this incident should make us doubt the basic competence of the people the president has chosen to advise him and help run the country.

500
jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:54:25am
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wrenchwench  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:54:59am

re: #486 (Bert the Turtle)

… it’s a fixed game we seem to be playing.

In this case, ‘fixed’ means ‘broken’, right?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:55:02am

re: #499 makeitstop

OK, but besides that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?

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Franklin  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:55:45am

Just saw a breaking news alert from WaPo that McConnell has has delayed the August recess to get a vote on healthcare.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:55:58am

re: #500 jaunte

“Life’s tough. Its even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) December 21, 2011

Hey junior, it should be “it’s”. Like father, like son.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:56:09am

re: #501 wrenchwench

In this case, ‘fixed’ means ‘broken’, right?

aYup.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:56:42am

re: #498 ObserverArt

Let him try to run. That would be the ultimate sign of guilt.

You know, I am kind of wondering if this email thing and the meeting was Putin getting Donny Jr. in deep for a little extra “oomph” to keep big Don in line if and when needed.

Get the son dirty by falling for all this, that may not even be real, and then hold it over the entire Trump campaign to make them dance to your tune.

The meeting is the thing…there may never have been any actual substance to give Junior, they just wanted him to fall for the contact.

I think Putin really knew how stupid this family is.

I have little doubt that Putin is keenly aware of how utterly vacuous and vapid the Trump family is. Indeed….that’s probably his ace in the hole.

507
ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:58:20am

To Josh Barro’s query about how did the NY Times get the emails?

Maybe the Russians sent them.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 10:58:56am

re: #506 Dr Lizardo

I have little doubt that Putin is keenly aware of how utterly vacuous and vapid the Trump family is. Indeed….that’s probably his ace in the hole.

No doubt. As much as I despise Putin, the man isn’t stupid. He’s played Trump beautifully. You almost have to admire it than you realize that it’s at the expense of your country and the free world.

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Interesting Times  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:01:17am

re: #507 ObserverArt

To Josh Barro’s query about how did the NY Times get the emails?

Maybe the Russians sent them.

That seems to be the exact same theory Melissa McEwan describes here.

510
jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:04:03am
511
BeachDem  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:04:14am

re: #343 darthstar

[Embedded content]

This reply made me laugh:

OK—see that’s already been discussed, so my next favorite:

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piratedan  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:04:33am

re: #503 Franklin

they know the shit is about to hit the fan, time to come through for their patrons or else..

unsure why they’re so beholden to the 1%, but they are

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:05:34am

re: #510 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Nothing is wrong here. //

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:07:02am

The fucking turtle is delaying the August recess for 3 weeks so they have more time to work on stripping healthcare from Americans.

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sagehen  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:09:53am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:13:28am

re: #352 Timothy Watson

Yeah, college education here, I have no fucking clue what that stuff is, over than capicollo.

High school education here … I don’t either.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:22:58am

re: #452 Interesting Times

Oooh…here’s an intriguing theory to say the least (see whole thread):

Melissa McEwan ✔ @Shakestweetz
That’s incredibly worrying. Putin didn’t get exactly what he wanted (i.e. lifted sanctions), so here’s a shot over the bow at Don Jr.
12:11 PM - 11 Jul 2017
72 72 Retweets 224 224 likes

And if this is a hit on Trump Junior it may also be a signal to Trump Sr. something very similar is likely to happen to him too.

Wasn’t there news just yesterday about Trump admin people pushing Republicans about dropping some of the items in the Senate Russian Sanction bill they are trying to pass?

And maybe the Senate knows it too. This may be a way to bring this all to a head for Putin and Donnie.

This may be a race to see if Trump can stop the sanctions before Putin pulls a ‘reveal’ on him too. Hmmm. Pee pee tape time?

Damn…this is all getting good. Donny Junior mashed the go-faster pedal on this whole thing.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:31:02am

re: #503 Franklin

Just saw a breaking news alert from WaPo that McConnell has has delayed the August recess to get a vote on healthcare.

Thanks for the reminder. I need to get another email out to Rob Portman.


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