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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:52:25pm

This is all just too good to be true!

But damn. Is it fucking glorious.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:55:39pm
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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:56:34pm
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bratwurst  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:57:50pm

Here is the thing that is troubling me today:

What in the world is it going to take for Trump’s myriad defenders & enablers to stand down?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:58:23pm

But not enough to get the GOP to turn on him…he is still too vital to their interests.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:59:43pm

re: #4 bratwurst

Here is the thing that is troubling me today:

What in the world is it going to take for Trump’s myriad defenders & enablers to stand down?

Alas. Nothing.

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retired cynic  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:59:51pm

The thing is, after all this lying, and DT2 saying there was nothing offered and nothing happened, why would anyone believe him?

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:00:07pm
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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:00:57pm

re: #4 bratwurst

Here is the thing that is troubling me today:

What in the world is it going to take for Trump’s myriad defenders & enablers to stand down?

Russia taking Alaska.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:01:26pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:02:14pm

re: #4 bratwurst

Here is the thing that is troubling me today:

What in the world is it going to take for Trump’s myriad defenders & enablers to stand down?

They themselves have to come to see that Trump is a threat to their own continued grip on power and their ability to implement their agenda.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:02:16pm

re: #9 Stanley Sea

Russia taking Alaska.

“One last thing. Sarah Palin. She lives in Arizona now, yes?”

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:02:41pm

re: #9 Stanley Sea

Russia taking Alaska.

Can we start the Pallins?

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:02:50pm

Damn, Twitter is on fire.

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Targetpractice  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:02:51pm

re: #8 MsJ

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The second is really the clincher. The prevailing defense is “Bitch set me up!” But if she’s saying that they’re the ones who came to her, then it wasn’t a set-up.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:03:26pm

The video won’t display on my computer. I just have a large blank space where it should be.

Maybe David Brooks can talk me through it. /s

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:03:32pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

The second is really the clincher. The prevailing defense is “Bitch set me up!” But if she’s saying that they’re the ones who came to her, then it wasn’t a set-up.

foul temptress, she knew they were weak and yet let them act on it

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:04:51pm
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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:05:38pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:06:16pm
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austin_blue  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:07:29pm

re: #4 bratwurst

Here is the thing that is troubling me today:

What in the world is it going to take for Trump’s myriad defenders & enablers to stand down?

Catching him in bed w/ a dead girl or a live boy.

(Hat tip to former Gov. Edwin Edwards of Louisiana!)

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:10:02pm
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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:11:39pm

re: #4 bratwurst

Here is the thing that is troubling me today:

What in the world is it going to take for Trump’s myriad defenders & enablers to stand down?

Trump agreeing to raise taxes to pay for inner city school lunch programs?

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:12:33pm
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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:13:06pm

re: #8 MsJ

Russian lawyer tells NBC it was the Trump campaign that approached her about getting dirt on Hillary, not the other way around.

And I’d be willing to bet real American dollars that she’s got receipts.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:15:10pm

Okay, I have the video working now. Funny, that little circular arrow in the address bar reloads a Webpage. /s

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:16:08pm

re: #17 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

foul temptress, she knew they were weak and yet let them act on it

“She let me eat the apple!”

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:17:34pm

How karmically ironic is it that the Hillary Clinton emails may very well be the thing that brings down the Donald Trump presidency?

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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:17:52pm

re: #21 austin_blue

Catching him in bed w/ a dead girl or a live boy.

(Hat tip to former Gov. Edwin Edwards of Louisiana!)

They’d spin the dead girl as an example of how virile he is. The boy they’d just ignore.

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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:19:10pm

re: #28 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

How karmically ironic is it that the Hillary Clinton emails may very well be the thing that brings down the Donald Trump presidency?

Turns out there is a god, and his name is Loki.

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calochortus  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:19:15pm

I heroically and fairly rapidly read through the last thread despite a couple interruptions (like neighbor calling to talk at length about, well I’m still not sure there was a point.) Finally, I get to the bottom of the thread and…oh look, another thread!

So this may already have been noted and I missed it, but you know how we’re always talking about it being not the crime, but the coverup? This may be a test for that theory.

Don Jr.: Hi! I committed a crime. Here’s the evidence. Enjoy.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:19:43pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:20:30pm
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petesh  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:21:29pm

re: #32 jaunte

McConnell deserves a jail sentence, but probably all he’s going to get is a sidebar in the history books about being the Majority Leader who broke the Senate.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:21:59pm

re: #28 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

How karmically ironic is it that the Hillary Clinton emails may very well be the thing that brings down the Donald Trump presidency?

But Her E-mails! Expect Delays
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:22:31pm

re: #31 calochortus

I heroically and fairly rapidly read through the last thread despite a couple interruptions (like neighbor calling to talk at length about, well I’m still not sure there was a point.) Finally, I get to the bottom of the thread and…oh look, another thread!

So this may already have been noted and I missed it, but you know how we’re always talking about it being not the crime, but the coverup? This may be a test for that theory.

Don Jr.: Hi! I committed a crime. Here’s the evidence. Enjoy.

I suspect that, bad as this is, it might be that his lawyers said that if he beat the NYT to press it would look better for him than if he let them break it. If bad news is coming out anyway, releasing it makes you look, if only slightly, like someone with nothing to hide.

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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:24:22pm

re: #31 calochortus

I heroically and fairly rapidly read through the last thread despite a couple interruptions (like neighbor calling to talk at length about, well I’m still not sure there was a point.) Finally, I get to the bottom of the thread and…oh look, another thread!

So this may already have been noted and I missed it, but you know how we’re always talking about it being not the crime, but the coverup? This may be a test for that theory.

Don Jr.: Hi! I committed a crime. Here’s the evidence. Enjoy.

The “it’s not the crime, it’s the cover up” usually involves smaller crimes. Like hiring an undocumented immigrant as a maid - technically a crime, but not something that by itself would ruin a campaign; until you pay them hush money and fake records to make it look like nothing happened. Or even when low level patsies (who you were smart enough to separate yourself from with a few levels of plausible deniability) break into a hotel to steal campaign documents and accidentally start a small fire - a little B&E by some guys you don’t “actually” know - but then you record yourself saying that you orchestrated the whole thing and want to get those pinko commie bastard Kennedys who have been after you for years.

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Teukka  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:25:17pm

re: #28 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

How karmically ironic is it that the Hillary Clinton emails may very well be the thing that brings down the Donald Trump presidency?

That would be epic karma irony with fringes and tassels. And proof that, as the saying goes, that “karma is a bitch.”

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calochortus  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:27:21pm

re: #36 Blind Frog Belly White

I suspect that, bad as this is, it might be that his lawyers said that if he beat the NYT to press it would look better for him than if he let them break it. If bad news is coming out anyway, releasing it makes you look, if only slightly, like someone with nothing to hide.

Presumably so, but I don’t think it will convince prosecutors that everything is hunky dory.

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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:29:08pm

re: #36 Blind Frog Belly White

I suspect that, bad as this is, it might be that his lawyers said that if he beat the NYT to press it would look better for him than if he let them break it. If bad news is coming out anyway, releasing it makes you look, if only slightly, like someone with nothing to hide.

First piece of advice every lawyer gives: shut your fucking mouth, do not talk about this to anyone other than the people in this room.

I honestly think Donnie Jr thinks whatever happens he’ll be able to skate because his dad will bail him out with a pardon… or get the AG/DOJ to shut down any criminal proceedings against him.

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Targetpractice  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:30:47pm

It’s funny, but when the news came out about emails last night, I was like “Well, we can be sure all those were long ago deleted and it’ll be a bitch to restore them, assuming Mueller’s team can even get hold of the original HDDs.”

Who knew Junior would be so stupid as to go “Here’s the emails!”

Like I said the other day, this is the sort of shit that prosecutors live for, those moments when a defendant thinks he’s so bullet-proof that he can flaunt his crime.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:31:01pm

Hope that old pugilist is called to elaborate

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calochortus  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:31:21pm

re: #37 KGxvi

The “it’s not the crime, it’s the cover up” usually involves smaller crimes. Like hiring an undocumented immigrant as a maid - technically a crime, but not something that by itself would ruin a campaign; until you pay them hush money and fake records to make it look like nothing happened. Or even when low level patsies (who you were smart enough to separate yourself from with a few levels of plausible deniability) break into a hotel to steal campaign documents and accidentally start a small fire - a little B&E by some guys you don’t “actually” know - but then you record yourself saying that you orchestrated the whole thing and want to get those pinko commie bastard Kennedys who have been after you for years.

But I do think this is more on a level with the Watergate break in. Sort of like saying yeah, my guys did this but we didn’t really learn anything from the bug. I’m not sure Don Jr.’s meeting rises to the level of treason or anything, but it does appear to be a crime.

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ipsos  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:31:23pm

Hey, you know what I’d like to hear more about right now?

Not the Trumpster fire…I want more specifics on what kinds of gin klys got to try in Jolly Olde England, and if there are good ones I can get my hands on here.

Priorities, people….

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S'latch  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:33:46pm

It’s amazing how suppressed facts find the light of day. It takes time, but they seem usually to find it.

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scottslemmons  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:34:34pm

re: #4 bratwurst

Here is the thing that is troubling me today:

What in the world is it going to take for Trump’s myriad defenders & enablers to stand down?

It bugs me that we still don’t know where we go from here. The Republicans in Congress will laugh this whole thing off. A third of the nation thinks Trump is great and needs to go even farther. How does anyone repair the country?

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451_Montag  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:34:58pm

re: #4 bratwurst

Here is the thing that is troubling me today:

What in the world is it going to take for Trump’s myriad defenders & enablers to stand down?

Trump caught fisting Jesus in an abortion clinic

Hannity: He is an unorthodox president, and besides is it illegal?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:35:32pm

re: #38 Teukka

That would be epic karma irony with fringes and tassels. And proof that, as the saying goes, that “karma is a bitch.”

I was stunned that Hillary Clinton lost. Nevertheless, unlike Mitch McConnell with Barack Obama, I did not want to see Donald Trump fail. I don’t want to see any president fail, regardless of party.

But it seems to be time to pull the plug on this. Holy crap, I thought Nixon’s administration was bad, and then Reagan’s. I can’t believe the GOP looked at those and said “hold my beer.”

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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:39:15pm

re: #43 calochortus

But I do think this is more on a level with the Watergate break in. Sort of like saying yeah, my guys did this but we didn’t really learn anything from the bug. I’m not sure Don Jr.’s meeting rises to the level of treason or anything, but it does appear to be a crime.

Oh, I agree this is at least on the same level as Watergate (probably higher since it involves a foreign government). There are two questions now:

First, will Donald Trump have sufficient plausible deniability to escape any repercussions? Meaning: will he be able to convincingly argue that all of this really happened without his knowledge, before/during/after these Don Jr transactions?

Second, will Donald Trump be smart enough to not go on a tirade that ultimately proves he is culpable for these transgressions? Meaning: will someone take away his phone so he can’t tweet, and/or clear his schedule of public speeches?

Given Trump’s history, I doubt he will be able to maintain plausible deniability. And even if he does, I don’t think his ego and/or his id will allow this to end without a major meltdown wherein he admits that he knew what was going on, a la Mayor Sideshow Bob.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:39:16pm

re: #47 451_Montag

Trump caught fisting Jesus in an abortion clinic

Hannity: He is an unorthodox president, and besides is it illegal?

Trump caught with a Nazi flag:
Lumpy: Well we’re not at war with them anymore!

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calochortus  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:41:53pm

re: #49 KGxvi

The day Trump listens to his lawyer (or much of anyone else) is the day we can all start worrying…

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451_Montag  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:42:01pm

re: #14 MsJ

Damn, Twitter is on fire.

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What I don’t get is that with this talk of attempted or failed collusion all comes from El Naranaja Yamito. Seriously he has lied about everything so far, so we’re going to take his word that he rejected what she was offering? In The absence of audio I’m taking it as he completely bought into whatever she was selling.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:43:11pm

re: #50 HappyWarrior

Trump caught with a Nazi flag:
Lumpy: Well we’re not at war with them anymore!

Given Hannity’s close friendship with neo-Nazis (see Hal Turner for example), it’s a safe bet he would have absolutely no problem with Trump wearing a swastika armband.

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sagehen  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:43:22pm

re: #52 451_Montag

What I don’t get is that with this talk of attempted or failed collusion all comes from El Naranaja Yamito. Seriously he has lied about everything so far, so we’re going to take his word that he rejected what she was offering? In The absence of audio I’m taking it as he completely bought into whatever she was selling.

Ever see “To Catch a Predator”?

When those guys show up to the house, there’s no 15-year-old to have sex with. But they’re arrested anyway, for hoping/planning/expecting that there would be.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:44:21pm

re: #53 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Given Hannity’s close friendship with neo-Nazis (see Hal Turner for example), it’s a safe bet he would have absolutely no problem with Trump wearing a swastika armband.

Very true.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:46:04pm

A cooling trend is in order at Chez Tumbleweed… . 102F now… .

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:46:30pm

ok

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:46:58pm

No puppet, you’re the puppet.
Didn’t do it.
Didn’t do it.
Didn’t do it.
Even if I did, it wouldn’t be a crime.
Everybody does it.

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Targetpractice  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:48:47pm
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451_Montag  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:48:58pm

re: #54 sagehen

Ever see “To Catch a Predator”?

When those guys show up to the house, there’s no 15-year-old to have sex with. But they’re arrested anyway, for hoping/planning/expecting that there would be.

True, but what is pissing me of is how quickly the vacuous spin of the right always gains traction. Even just using the soundboards gives it weight and gravitas. The truth is he met with a Russian lawyer with the expectation of gaining illegally obtained information, which is, as you said a crime. But the twitterati act as though failed collusion is a thing, it not.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:52:08pm

re: #59 Targetpractice

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Imagine what else is out there.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:53:51pm

re: #60 451_Montag

True, but what is pissing me of is how quickly the vacuous spin of the right always gains traction. Even just using the soundboards gives it weight and gravitas. The truth is he met with a Russian lawyer with the expectation of gaining illegally obtained information, which is, as you said a crime. But the twitterati act as though failed collusion is a thing, it not.

Propaganda’s a helluva drug. If you’re inclined to believe those who do not hold the same political positions (i.e. liberals) are un-America or what not, then you’re pretty much susceptible to anything that demonises them.

Note the zombie lie that still circulates (heard it from someone here yesterday) that Canadians have to wait months to see a doctor because of single-payer healthcare insurance.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:55:49pm

Trey Crowder (the Liberal Redneck) on “reaching rural conservative voters”:

Liberal Redneck - Reaching Rural America

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:56:22pm

re: #28 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:56:43pm

Here’s another example of karma

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piratedan  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:57:53pm

what petrifies me the most about all of this is the cast of characters involved…

Putin, not afraid to kill anyone who’s inconvenient to him.
Trump, narcissistic, petty, spiteful and quite possibly mentally imbalanced

the remaining cast of the GOP players, who were quite willing to eschew the laws and traditions of the nation AND circumvent the will of the people in order to try and keep control of the very institutions that shape us and our policy and the interpretation of our laws in order to maintain an advantage.

A special investigative committee to unearth and present the findings that appear to illustrate that the people currently in power, came into that power illegally…

I’m not sure what comes next… I don’t know if these people will feel any compulsion to follow the law. Plus, we’re well acquainted with a good number of our fellow citizens that will allow any transgression made by “their team” if it allows them to win.

yeah, Christian morals and ethics notwithstanding…

The Hill that they’re willing to die on?

Taking away health care among the poorest of us, denying opportunity that has been given to those seeking a better life for CENTURIES, tainting the concept of religious freedom to be some theological valhalla for only certain sects of Christianity, dividing us as a nation based on race, creed and religion, antithetical to the very foundation of our nation.

all of this… so rich people can be richer.

It’s a wonder, that the nation can be patient to see this played out and that so many are still so indifferent.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:57:55pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:58:22pm
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Ace-o-aces  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:58:38pm

Stupidest post of the day, Islamophobia edition:

Watson is trying to show that Sweden has too many Muslims and is therefore doomed by Sharia law, but I’m pretty sure Iraq still has more Muslims than Sweden, so I’m not sure what the hell is going on in his deranged mind.

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Targetpractice  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:59:22pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Imagine what else is out there.

What I’m thinking is what comment to the tweet pointed out: If Mueller and the FBI didn’t know about this, then it may end up being bigger than it appears. After all, odds are Manafort or Kushner have spoken with authorities already and lying to investigators is not something you do if you want to avoid a spot in the Greybar Hotel.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:00:10pm

re: #44 ipsos

Hey, you know what I’d like to hear more about right now?

Not the Trumpster fire…I want more specifics on what kinds of gin klys got to try in Jolly Olde England, and if there are good ones I can get my hands on here.

Priorities, people….

To spare the uninterested:

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:01:19pm

re: #69 Ace-o-aces

Stupidest post of the day:

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Something something freedom of choice.

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sagehen  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:03:17pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:04:14pm

re: #54 sagehen

Ever see “To Catch a Predator”?

When those guys show up to the house, there’s no 15-year-old to have sex with. But they’re arrested anyway, for hoping/planning/expecting that there would be.

Wait, so you’re saying if I go to a hotel with an undercover cop who’s posing as a prostitute, it’s a crime even if I DON’T get laid?
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:08:20pm

re: #71 klys (maker of Silmarils)

To spare the uninterested:

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calochortus  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:08:53pm

re: #74 Blind Frog Belly White

Wait, so you’re saying if I go to a hotel with an undercover cop who’s posing as a prostitute, it’s a crime even if I DON’T get laid?
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Better cancel that appointment.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:09:32pm

re: #68 goddamnedfrank

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DUDE!!! Spoilers!!!
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ipsos  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:09:33pm

re: #71 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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harlequinade  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:11:06pm

re: #75 Blind Frog Belly White

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:11:37pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:11:59pm

re: #76 calochortus

Better cancel that appointment.

Like I used to tell The Boys - you don’t know who you’re talking to on the internet. That sweet girl, your own age, who is also interested in gaming may be a 53 year old pedophile in Australia.

Or Fresno.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:12:25pm

re: #79 harlequinade

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:15:22pm

re: #75 Blind Frog Belly White

re: #78 ipsos

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:17:09pm

re: #75 Blind Frog Belly White

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:17:59pm

re: #84 Blind Frog Belly White

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Ming5000  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:19:06pm

re: #34 petesh

McConnell deserves a jail sentence, but probably all he’s going to get is a sidebar in the history books about being the Majority Leader who broke the Senate.

McConnell and Ryan and a slew of others knew about the collusion with the Russians. They all need to be held accountable.
I am hoping public servants, even if Republican, will do their duty.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:20:38pm

Look for the genuine working class label.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:21:30pm

re: #80 jaunte

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:22:09pm

re: #80 jaunte

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Now, mind you, it really needs to be not only working class, but someone of the working class in a pasty white small town, because if you’re talking working class in most of your major cities, they’re gonna fucking know what sopressata is. Or does she think neighborhood Italian sandwich shops cater only to the elite?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:22:46pm

re: #80 jaunte

(((Megan McArdle))) ✔
@asymmetricinfo

So I look at the folks making fun of Brooks and think “how many of you have taken a genuine working class person to lunch?”

No thanks, Megan, you can save me both your condescension and save yourself the money by not taking me to lunch.

Were you one of those who tried to go around me when I was homeless?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:23:35pm

The Bush NG memo of 2017:

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:23:42pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:24:17pm

re: #81 Blind Frog Belly White

Like I used to tell The Boys - you don’t know who you’re talking to on the internet. That sweet girl, your own age, who is also interested in gaming may be a 53 year old pedophile in Australia.

Or Fresno.

One of my E-mail taglines:

The Internet: Where women are men and 12 year old girls are FBI agents.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:24:39pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

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Hey, Nineteen! That’s ‘Retha Franklin!
She don’t remember The Queen of Soul!

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:24:44pm

CNN showed a clip from jr’s interview on Hannity.

He’s speaking so fast & nervously.

just a bunch of blah blah cya at warp speed.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:25:25pm

re: #92 Jebediah, RBG

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Yeah, but have you taken yourself to lunch recently?

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Myron Falwell  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:27:36pm

re: #95 Stanley Sea

CNN showed a clip from jr’s interview on Hannity.

He’s speaking so fast & nervously.

just a bunch of blah blah cya at warp speed.

Look like Lumpty Dumpty’s “Hannitization” puff piece softball interview is a rousing success.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:28:21pm

re: #96 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, but have you taken yourself to lunch recently?

Good point. I have not!

ETA: I’m not the sort with whom I would want to be seen lunching, after all.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:28:39pm

re: #80 jaunte

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I went to lunch with my grandfather many times but thanks.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:30:17pm

Zero fucks to give Tim Kaine:

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:30:57pm

I wonder what Brooks would make of the fact that my very working class maternal great uncles ate things like “Kolbasi.” But I get it, Dave, I’m a snob because I like to try out new food. Yep, you sure showed me.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:31:03pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:31:08pm

re: #95 Stanley Sea

CNN showed a clip from jr’s interview on Hannity.

He’s speaking so fast & nervously.

just a bunch of blah blah cya at warp speed.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:31:27pm

re: #100 Timothy Watson

Zero fucks to give Tim Kaine:

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Yeah I just saw that. He’s pissed and he should be. That man should be our VP, not fucking Pence.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:31:42pm

re: #99 HappyWarrior

It’s not a complete lunch experience until you speculate in front of a national audience about his fear of an unfamiliar menu item.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:32:05pm

re: #100 Timothy Watson

Zero fucks to give Tim Kaine:

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Okay, but he might be right afaik.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:32:07pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:32:45pm

re: #105 jaunte

It’s not a complete lunch experience until you speculate in front of a national audience about his fear of an unfamiliar menu item.

You know, now that I think about it, my own father was pretty much working class my entire childhood but unlike some people, I don’t treat the working class like they’re children.

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sagehen  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:33:13pm

re: #89 Blind Frog Belly White

Now, mind you, it really needs to be not only working class, but someone of the working class in a pasty white small town, because if you’re talking working class in most of your major cities, they’re gonna fucking know what sopressata is. Or does she think neighborhood Italian sandwich shops cater only to the elite?

I’m reasonably wealthy, from a reasonably wealthy family, and I had to look up sopressata. Spoiler: it’s salami.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:33:32pm

re: #107 goddamnedfrank

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I’ve had some pleasant surprises on that front. I do have a couple extended cousins that have turned out to be quite wingnutty but a couple of my other cousins would make great Lizards.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:34:05pm

re: #65 Stanley Sea

Here’s another example of karma

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Would anyone be surprised if the family was behind the hacking of the credit card numbers?

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wrenchwench  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:34:30pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:34:49pm
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Ming5000  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:35:47pm

re: #107 goddamnedfrank

No douche not left behind.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:36:01pm

re: #106 Unshaken Defiance

Okay, but he might be right afaik.

But most Democrats have been just saying ‘it needs to be investigated, etc.’ Kaine’s comment is noticeably, at least to me, more…radical?

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BlackPearl  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:37:52pm

re: #89 Blind Frog Belly White

Now, mind you, it really needs to be not only working class, but someone of the working class in a pasty white small town, because if you’re talking working class in most of your major cities, they’re gonna fucking know what sopressata is. Or does she think neighborhood Italian sandwich shops cater only to the elite?

I have 2 engineering degrees, have been to Italy 5 times, and have no idea what sopressata is. (nor can I figure it out from my conversational Italian or high school French - I could look it up but can’t be bothered)

Cause I’m middle class from the west coast, where we have no good Italian delis. Weep for me. :)

David Brooks - east coast provincialist to the core.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:38:52pm

re: #115 Timothy Watson

But most Democrats have been just saying ‘it needs to be investigated, etc.’ Kaine’s comment is noticeably, at least to me, more…radical?

That’s the consensus right now.

He’ll probably be proven correct when all is said & done.

Next up is the quid pro quo.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:40:14pm

MOSCOW’S MULE

huffingtonpost.com

Nothing new in any revelations, just love the headline.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:41:13pm

re: #4 bratwurst

Here is the thing that is troubling me today:

What in the world is it going to take for Trump’s myriad defenders & enablers to stand down?

They won’t go quietly. So shout them down and vote them our next November.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:42:27pm

re: #115 Timothy Watson

But most Democrats have been just saying ‘it needs to be investigated, etc.’ Kaine’s comment is noticeably, at least to me, more…radical?

Well imho the dems need a fire lit under some butts. Harris, Pelosi and Shiff can only do so much. Savage rhetoric got us here, it may take some to get us home.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:42:52pm

re: #115 Timothy Watson

But most Democrats have been just saying ‘it needs to be investigated, etc.’ Kaine’s comment is noticeably, at least to me, more…radical?

I think it all changed today. Plus, Kaine was involved directly with being ripped-off by all this. Seems he just decided to play the “heavy” and well he should.

I think you are now going to see more of it from the Democrats because Donny junior handed over his own smoking gun. It just went from no connections revealed yet to we have connection number one…something to work with.

I think the Dems have played this pretty well so far, even if many think they haven’t done enough fast enough. With the TV news people acting like they do these days, the Dems are learning how to not feed them negative stories. They may be actually learning something because of all of this.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:43:50pm

re: #96 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, but have you taken yourself to lunch recently?

I did yesterday (and my wife) - we went to a Mexican restaurant in Scottsbluff. We skipped the Cambodian restaurant because we went there last time we were in town.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:43:53pm

But having my First Amendment right to free expression curtailed - in so personal a way - stung me. I am excluded from what is probably the most effective form of political speech I’ve ever had.

Every time someone in my bubble says, like I did, “Can he do that?” we have to pause. Is this a norm violation - something that he will “never get away with” politically - like refusing to release his tax returns? Or is it illegal, like renting out Trump Hotel rooms to foreign delegations may turn out to be?

During a period of social flux and upended norms, the law can help. We need legal challenges - conducted in a formal setting where facts matter, where lying is a crime - to establish the boundaries beyond which the outrages of the president and his people go beyond obnoxious and become illegal.

In our lawsuit, lawyers from the Knight First Amendment Institute explain that the president’s Twitter account is a “designated public forum” under the law, and the courts have said the First Amendment prohibits the government from excluding people from such a forum because of their views. In essence, he announced a public space for political speech, and then expunged it of views he finds uncomfortable - including those of myself and the other plaintiffs to the suit. We think that’s more than obnoxious. It’s illegal.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:45:14pm

re: #115 Timothy Watson

But most Democrats have been just saying ‘it needs to be investigated, etc.’ Kaine’s comment is noticeably, at least to me, more…radical truthful?

FIFY

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Timothy Watson  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:46:50pm

re: #120 Unshaken Defiance

Well imho the dems need a fire lit under some butts. Harris, Pelosi and Shiff can only do so much. Savage rhetoric got us here, it may take some to get us home.

I just heard Mark Warner on the evening news, and he was playing it more “we need to interview more people”, etc. but he’s on the Intel Committee so I can understand his reluctance to be more forceful.

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petesh  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:49:38pm

re: #123 MsJ

Hmmm. Sounds worth running up the flagpole to see if anyone salutes. Trump is definitely in the public-records sphere.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:50:55pm

re: #115 Timothy Watson

But most Democrats have been just saying ‘it needs to be investigated, etc.’ Kaine’s comment is noticeably, at least to me, more…radical?

We need to remind ourselves regularly that there is a difference between the constitutional test of treason and the dictionary definition. You thus can skate on the legal definition and still be a fucking traitor.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:51:24pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:55:05pm
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Myron Falwell  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:55:59pm

re: #125 Timothy Watson

I just heard Mark Warner on the evening news, and he was playing it more “we need to interview more people”, etc. but he’s on the Intel Committee so I can understand his reluctance to be more forceful.

We’re just hours into this opening of Pandora’s box. Kaine’s clearly taking the lead of righteous indignation, as well he should.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:56:02pm

re: #126 petesh

Hmmm. Sounds worth running up the flagpole to see if anyone salutes. Trump is definitely in the public-records sphere.

Mr. Trump has specifically noted his Twitter account is his way to speak to the American people. As such, blocking someone from his Twitter account denies that person access to the government as he has described it.

An analogous idea from an earlier era would be if Franklin Roosevelt set up jammers near the homes of people who did not support him so they could not hear his “Fireside Chats” on the radio.

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No Depression  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:59:20pm

re: #115 Timothy Watson

But most Democrats have been just saying ‘it needs to be investigated, etc.’ Kaine’s comment is noticeably, at least to me, more…radical?

re: #124 MsJ

FIFY

When 40+% of the country gleefully eats up Big Lies on a daily basis and the media peddles both sides bullshit, the truth is radical.

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piratedan  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:59:50pm

re: #129 gocart mozart

what, and cut into my avocado toast and pink Himalayan salt budget?

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:01:25pm

re: #63 Anymouse 🌹

Recommended reading on the power and appeal of falsehoods; George R. R. Martin’s SF short story, The Way of The Cross and The Dragon. Where some one makes a saint of Judas Iscariot.

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stpaulbear  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:01:34pm

Betty Cracker over at Balloon Juice has some great advice. The way to drive Trump over the edge is to make sure that Trumpcare gets torpedoed and sunk. Don’t forget to call your senators and put the pressure on.

I’m not saying don’t pay attention to the emails that portray Uday as an eager collaborator with a hostile foreign power — hell yes, pay attention to it. But the Republican Party Before Country Party will be an immovable obstacle to clearing out the nest of traitors in the White House until it is made clear to them that Trump is a useless impediment.

Hand the Republicans a stinging defeat on healthcare, brand Trumpcare with the “LOSER” label, and Trump will come unglued. When Trump comes unglued, he lashes out. When he lashes out, Trump hits indiscriminately, sometimes smacking GOP senators, which makes fellow Republicans frown.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:02:36pm

posted especially for BeachDem

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:03:32pm

Meanwhile in Texas, score one for the cops:

star-telegram.com

Back again with the excuse of “he (maybe) had something in his hand and we were afraid”

ARLINGTON

A suicidal man who had doused himself in gasoline became engulfed in flames at an Arlington home Monday after an officer used a stun gun on him, police said.

The officer who used the Taser on the man believed that the man was holding a lighter in his hand and was about to use it, police spokeswoman Sgt. VaNessa Harrison said at a news conference.

Harrison acknowledged the risk of using an electrical stun gun near gasoline, but said the man was “very frantic and erratic and became a danger to everyone in the room.”

“We realize that a Taser can have some other implications, but we also know he had something in his hand,” Harrison said. “It’s unclear at this moment whether he became engulfed in flames from the gasoline and ignitable object he had in his hand or from the Taser.”

More at the newspaper link above. The man’s condition in hospital is unknown, and three police officers were taken to hospital for smoke inhalation.

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Jay C  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:05:01pm

re: #116 BlackPearl

David Brooks - east coast provincialist to the core.

And every bit as condescending as the straw “liberals” he loves to whack down. What a shocker.. //

I went to the NYT site and read all of Brooks’ Op-Ed piece, and it’s all so damned boringly predictable. He actually started off with a reasonable (if fairly trite) thesis about how poor(er) folks are missing out on educational opportunities because the “upper middle class” are obsessively hogging them. But then, being David Brooks, he just had to put his foot on the gas, and speed right down the offramp to Stupid Anecdote Land. As usual, hoked up with some inane food analogy to beat those snobby hipster liberals with their “correct” strollers….
I think Mr. Brooks ought to feel grateful, in this instance, that the NYT doesn’t enable comments for his columns….

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Myron Falwell  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:06:14pm

Connect the dots, la la la

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No Depression  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:07:21pm

The idea of anyone being befuddled by lunch meat is absurd to me. Especially lunch meat with Italian names. It’s pretty much a natural law that any Italian lunch meat is automatically delicious.

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:07:37pm

re: #137 Anymouse 🌹

Meanwhile in Texas, score one for the cops:

star-telegram.com

Back again with the excuse of “he (maybe) had something in his hand and we were afraid”

More at the newspaper link above. The man’s condition in hospital is unknown, and three police officers were taken to hospital for smoke inhalation.

What happens when you don’t know science.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:08:06pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:08:19pm

re: #141 Belafon

What happens when you don’t know science.

Or watch Mythbusters.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:09:58pm

re: #140 No Depression

The idea of anyone being befuddled by lunch meat is absurd to me. Especially lunch meat with Italian names. It’s pretty much a natural law that any Italian lunch meat is automatically delicious.

Right! You are only going to have a problem if you, say, don’t eat pork and don’t know what the names mean. Otherwise, it’s literally all good.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:10:09pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:12:08pm

How long until BLOTUS blows his top?

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:12:26pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:12:58pm
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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:13:47pm

re: #135 stpaulbear

Betty Cracker over at Balloon Juice has some great advice. The way to drive Trump over the edge is to make sure that Trumpcare gets torpedoed and sunk. Don’t forget to call your senators and put the pressure on.

I just sent this email to Robby Portman. Hidden if not interested.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:14:08pm

The subject line of Fredo’s email was “Clinton-Russia CONFIDENTIAL.”

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:14:48pm

re: #80 jaunte

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:16:02pm

I guess the question for the GOP will be whether they hate Obama and the working poor more than they love rich people.

I can’t imagine this going over very well with their paymasters.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:16:11pm

re: #148 gocart mozart

Can you imagine? Look at the people in the pool.

Damn elephant is like “This water tastes terrible. Did you a-holes pee in the pond?”

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No Depression  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:16:19pm

re: #150 Ace Rothstein

The subject line of Fredo’s email was “Clinton-Russia CONFIDENTIAL.”

Well maybe he was saying that Clinton colluded with Russia to make it look like Trump was colluding with Russia. /

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Myron Falwell  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:16:55pm

re: #146 Ace Rothstein

How long until BLOTUS blows his top?

He might do what his son did today and incriminate himself whilst in a rage and fury during tomorrow morning’s shitter tweetstorm.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:17:50pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:18:11pm

re: #141 Belafon

What happens when you don’t know science.

Arlington, Texas is where the home office of American Mensa is located. I’m guessing this guy is not a member.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:19:30pm

Who knew setting someone on fire would send you to the hospital for smoke inhalation?

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:20:07pm

re: #156 FormerDirtDart

No Spin News on billoreilly.com . #1 in cable news for 15+ years. America’s bestselling historian. Loving father.

So loving, he dragged his wife down the stairs by her throat in front of their daughter.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:21:01pm

re: #149 ObserverArt

I just sent this email to Robby Portman. Hidden if not interested.

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I will call Rand Paul’s office again to remind him to vote no on Obamacare Lite, since I don’t care why he votes no as long as he does.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:21:38pm

The discord at Breitbart brings a tear to my eye lol. Guess they need to do some mass firings in another purity movement.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:22:42pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:22:48pm

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

I guess the question for the GOP will be whether they hate Obama and the working poor more than they love rich people.

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I can’t imagine this going over very well with their paymasters.

You know they are getting desperate to pass something they can call “repeal and replace” when they go so far as to retain the ACA tax increases.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:23:28pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:23:51pm

re: #156 FormerDirtDart

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Someone tell BillO that it’s still sexual harassment even if you DON’T get her promoted, like you promised you would, after she puts out.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:24:50pm

Chris Matthews asked Senator Amy Klobuchar if Trump will fire Mueller?

Her answer was what she claimed Lindsey Graham said regarding all that: “Lindsey Graham has said if he (Trump) does that, it will be the end of him.”

Is that a line in the sand, or what?

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:25:49pm

re: #150 Ace Rothstein

The subject line of Fredo’s email was “Clinton-Russia CONFIDENTIAL.”

He’s saying he forgot all about the meeting on Hannity.

Huge credibility problem trumpito.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:26:06pm

re: #166 ObserverArt

Chris Matthews asked Senator Amy Klobuchar if Trump will fire Mueller?

Her answer was what she claimed Lindsey Graham said regarding all that: “Lindsey Graham has said if he (Trump) does that, it will be the end of him.”

Is that a line in the sand, or what?

Lindsey? Nah. Now, if McConnell said it….

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Myron Falwell  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:26:27pm
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wrenchwench  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:26:30pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:26:56pm

re: #116 BlackPearl

I have 2 engineering degrees, have been to Italy 5 times, and have no idea what sopressata is. (nor can I figure it out from my conversational Italian or high school French - I could look it up but can’t be bothered)

Cause I’m middle class from the west coast, where we have no good Italian delis. Weep for me. :)

David Brooks - east coast provincialist to the core.

Since I don’t have any degrees and my wife won’t share hers, can I have one of yours? /s

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:29:23pm

re: #160 Big Beautiful Door

I will call Rand Paul’s office again to remind him to vote no on Obamacare Lite, since I don’t care why he votes no as long as he does.

That’s the spirit!

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:29:25pm

re: #167 Stanley Sea

He’s saying he forgot all about the meeting on Hannity.

Huge credibility problem trumpito.

He said that?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:30:17pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:30:38pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:32:14pm

re: #105 jaunte

It’s not a complete lunch experience until you speculate in front of a national audience about his fear of an unfamiliar menu item.

I’ll settle for the media to interview one Clinton supporter (instead of all the disillusioned Trump supporters - have they found one on Tristan de Cunha yet to interview).

I’m still here, CNN - come interview me.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:34:55pm

re: #156 FormerDirtDart

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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:35:17pm

re: #166 ObserverArt

Chris Matthews asked Senator Amy Klobuchar if Trump will fire Mueller?

Her answer was what she claimed Lindsey Graham said regarding all that: “Lindsey Graham has said if he (Trump) does that, it will be the end of him.”

Is that a line in the sand, or what?

We need about 24 Republican House members (preferably including someone from leadership) to pass articles of impeachment. Then we need 19 Republican Senators to vote to convict. Assuming in both occasions the Democratic caucuses hold. I don’t know enough about the House members to comment on them, but in the Senate I could see at least McCain, Graham, Cruz, and Rubio voting to convict out of spite, if nothing else. There are probably some “moderate” Republicans (Collins, Portman, Heller, Flake) that can be convinced to vote to convict as well. Peeling off more probably depends on how many House Republicans vote to impeach. If the ayes in the House exceed 300, Trump’s probably toast.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:36:57pm

re: #161 Myron Falwell

Ha! It gets better.

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wrenchwench  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:37:53pm

Krauthammer looks uncharacteristically good, until he says, ‘Until today there was no ‘there’ there.’

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:38:20pm

re: #168 Blind Frog Belly White

Lindsey? Nah. Now, if McConnell said it….

I keep in mind that Lindsey was stepped on by Trump in the primaries to the point he gave out his cell phone number.

What a better way to get a payback. He and the rest of them (Rubio, Cruz, Paul) can all get in some licks…and still be spineless doing it. They go in for the group gang up.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:38:45pm

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

I guess the question for the GOP will be whether they hate Obama and the working poor more than they love rich people.

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I can’t imagine this going over very well with their paymasters.

My guess is that the tax boosts are very scaled down to cover a much smaller set of benefits. Don’t believe anything until the actual proposal is published and available for analysis by the public

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gocart mozart  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:39:03pm
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BlackPearl  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:39:15pm

re: #171 Anymouse 🌹

Since I don’t have any degrees and my wife won’t share hers, can I have one of yours? /s

Dude, if your wife won’t share with you, I don’t see why I should have to. :)

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:39:59pm

re: #173 Ace Rothstein

He said that?

Something like, “it was nothing, I forgot about it after”

Need the video.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:42:47pm

I have a feeling Trump is now across a threshold backed into a tight corner where he feels he is now at war with most of the American People. He will now start doing things spitefully dangerous for this country. It is now past the time for Articles of Impeachment to be quickly drawn up and passed by a united Congress and remove this malignant stain from office.

Prison awaits.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:43:06pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:44:13pm

re: #181 ObserverArt

I keep in mind that Lindsey was stepped on by Trump in the primaries to the point he gave out his cell phone number.

What a better way to get a payback. He and the rest of them (Rubio, Cruz, Paul) can all get in some licks…and still be spineless doing it. They go in for the group gang up.

Cruz has shown that he doesn’t care. He’s the worst kind of Toady.

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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:44:45pm

re: #180 wrenchwench

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Krauthammer looks uncharacteristically good, until he says, ‘Until today there was no ‘there’ there.’

I kind of wish that clip was about 30 seconds longer at the end, I want to see how the host deflected.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:45:03pm

re: #184 BlackPearl

Dude, if your wife won’t share with you, I don’t see why I should have to. :)

I suppose that makes sense. I guess I’ll have to do without.

I have to go to the general store tomorrow to buy a case of Clorox (spellcheck wants to put “chloroform” there) so I can put it in the water system. (Clorox is allowed.)

I’ve already gotten a couple calls at home saying “my water smells like bleach.”

I went to the post office and spoke to the postmistress and gun shop owner to explain what was going on. Hopefully they can get the word out.

I’ll probably have to go round town tomorrow with handbills explaining why I am chlorinating the water system.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:48:19pm

re: #180 wrenchwench

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Krauthammer looks uncharacteristically good, until he says, ‘Until today there was no ‘there’ there.’

Well, I wasn’t really expecting Sour Kraut to publicly renounce the entirety of his conservative beliefs in a rage quit.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:48:39pm

re: #180 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

Krauthammer looks uncharacteristically good, until he says, ‘Until today there was no ‘there’ there.’

Look at her face. She is not happy with the crypt keeper.

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:48:48pm

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

Meanwhile, for the laugh of the day… Junior:

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:50:15pm

re: #191 Myron Falwell

Well, I wasn’t really expecting Sour Kraut to publicly renounce the entirety of his conservative beliefs in a rage quit.

I will give him that, since this is the first clear sign of fire behind all of the smoke.

195
Timothy Watson  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:51:08pm

re: #193 lawhawk

In Trump’s case, a filet mignon that has been cooked to hockey puck consistency. He’s toast.

Just the way Trump likes it?

Or, so Junior’s a TrumpSteak?

196
KGxvi  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:51:16pm

re: #188 HappyWarrior

Cruz has shown that he doesn’t care. He’s the worst kind of Toady.

Interesting thought experiment:

Trump gets impeached and removed, Pence becomes president. First question: who does Pence nominate as VP? Second question: who challenges Pence in the 2020 primary?

There’s so many ways this could play out. I could see Pence offering VP to Cruz to secure a vote to convict (I don’t think Pence is Machiavellian enough for such a move, but still). I could see Cruz rejecting the offer, thinking he could challenge Pence in 2020 and win the nomination (maybe by then the Trump stench is so bad that even the GOP base will not want to vote for someone who was picked by Trump). If Pence as the sitting president is challenged in the 2020 primary, that’s most likely a sign that the Democrats will win the general (see 1968, 1976, 1992)

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:51:33pm

re: #186 Rocky-in-Connecticut

I have a feeling Trump is now across a threshold backed into a tight corner where he feels he is now at war with most of the American People. He will now start doing things spitefully dangerous for this country. It is now past the time for Articles of Impeachment to be quickly drawn up and passed by a united Congress and remove this malignant stain from office.

Prison awaits.

He’s definitely going into bunker mode. He will become more sullen and snap at everyone about everything. Everyone will see less and less of him, and he will do everything out of the eyes of the press and Americans. I bet he even slows the tweets.

Hey, that sounds sort of like another president back in 1973/4.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:51:52pm

re: #188 HappyWarrior

Cruz has shown that he doesn’t care. He’s the worst kind of Toady.

He already threw his wife and father under the bus for Mr. Trump.

(Cruz’s superpac did start it, with its billboard in Utah of Melania Trump in lingerie asking if that was the sort of First Lady Utah voters wanted.)

199
b.d.  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:52:07pm

Evening Lizards

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:52:29pm

re: #196 KGxvi

Interesting thought experiment:

Trump gets impeached and removed, Pence becomes president. First question: who does Pence nominate as VP? Second question: who challenges Pence in the 2020 primary?

There’s so many ways this could play out. I could see Pence offering VP to Cruz to secure a vote to convict (I don’t think Pence is Machiavellian enough for such a move, but still). I could see Cruz rejecting the offer, thinking he could challenge Pence in 2020 and win the nomination (maybe by then the Trump stench is so bad that even the GOP base will not want to vote for someone who was picked by Trump). If Pence as the sitting president is challenged in the 2020 primary, that’s most likely a sign that the Democrats will win the general (see 1968, 1976, 1992)

That’s a good question. I honestly don’t know who Pence would pick. I suspect a like minded Fundie though.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:53:15pm

re: #198 Anymouse 🌹

He already threw his wife and father under the bus for Mr. Trump.

(Cruz’s superpac did start it, with its billboard in Utah of Melania Trump in lingerie asking if that was the sort of First Lady Utah voters wanted.)

Yeah that was pretty sleazy of them. OTOH, Trump has since implied that his father was involved with the Kennedy assassination and as big of a shitbag that Rafael Cruz is, that was horseshit.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:53:33pm

re: #188 HappyWarrior

Cruz has shown that he doesn’t care. He’s the worst kind of Toady.

If the gang goes against Trump, Cruz will tag-along. He doesn’t have any backbone. He will follow the larger group safely.

Plus…would you trust him to stand by you?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:53:46pm

re: #199 b.d.

Evening Lizards

[Embedded content]

Oh yes, Chris Harwick and friends will have fun with this.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:54:09pm

re: #202 ObserverArt

If the gang goes against Trump, Cruz will tag-along. He doesn’t have any backbone. He will follow the larger group safely.

Plus…would you trust him to stand by you?

If I were near Cruz, I’d hope to grow eyes behind my head.

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petesh  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:54:32pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

That’s a good question. I honestly don’t know who Pence would pick. I suspect a like minded Fundie though.

Brownback is looking for a gig.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:54:35pm

re: #196 KGxvi

Interesting thought experiment:

Trump gets impeached and removed, Pence becomes president. First question: who does Pence nominate as VP? Second question: who challenges Pence in the 2020 primary?

There’s so many ways this could play out. I could see Pence offering VP to Cruz to secure a vote to convict (I don’t think Pence is Machiavellian enough for such a move, but still). I could see Cruz rejecting the offer, thinking he could challenge Pence in 2020 and win the nomination (maybe by then the Trump stench is so bad that even the GOP base will not want to vote for someone who was picked by Trump). If Pence as the sitting president is challenged in the 2020 primary, that’s most likely a sign that the Democrats will win the general (see 1968, 1976, 1992)

Pence should not survive nor any of the picks to agencies or the SCOTUS.

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b.d.  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:55:36pm

re: #205 petesh

Brownback is looking for a gig.

aarrgghh!!

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:55:40pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:56:18pm

re: #196 KGxvi

Interesting thought experiment:

Trump gets impeached and removed, Pence becomes president. First question: who does Pence nominate as VP? Second question: who challenges Pence in the 2020 primary?

There’s so many ways this could play out. I could see Pence offering VP to Cruz to secure a vote to convict (I don’t think Pence is Machiavellian enough for such a move, but still). I could see Cruz rejecting the offer, thinking he could challenge Pence in 2020 and win the nomination (maybe by then the Trump stench is so bad that even the GOP base will not want to vote for someone who was picked by Trump). If Pence as the sitting president is challenged in the 2020 primary, that’s most likely a sign that the Democrats will win the general (see 1968, 1976, 1992)

Well, the only previous example we have is Nixon.

The GOP cannot get a VP replacement through the Senate without some Democratic votes. As in the Nixon case, one would expect a Republican President to nominate a Republican. As such, Gerald Ford was nominated after Spiro Agnew went down because Democrats found him agreeable. The same goes with Ford’s VP Nelson Rockefeller.

Anyone Mike Pence puts up is going to have to be something less than a Dominionist wingnut.

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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:56:24pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

That’s a good question. I honestly don’t know who Pence would pick. I suspect a like minded Fundie though.

Any new VP has to be confirmed by a majority of both the House and the Senate. The disarray following actual impeachment and removal of a president makes gaming out how that confirmation vote would go nearly impossible.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:56:30pm

Something nice because it’s nice to remember there are good things in the world:

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:56:52pm

re: #205 petesh

Brownback is looking for a gig.

That does make sense.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:57:13pm

re: #210 KGxvi

Any new VP has to be confirmed by a majority of both the House and the Senate. The disarray following actual impeachment and removal of a president makes gaming out how that confirmation vote would go nearly impossible.

Which is how we were fortunate to get Ford.

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gocart mozart  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:57:29pm

8 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States. law.cornell.edu

18 U.S. Code § 2382 - Misprision of treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both. law.cornell.edu

Might this apply?

18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information
d) Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; law.cornell.edu

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Myron Falwell  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:57:45pm

re: #202 ObserverArt

If the gang goes against Trump, Cruz will tag-along. He doesn’t have any backbone. He will follow the larger group safely.

Plus…would you trust him to stand by you?

No doubt Cruz failed spectacularly with “trust falls.”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:57:47pm

re: #211 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Something nice because it’s nice to remember there are good things in the world:

[Embedded content]

Congrats guys. Years of happiness to you.

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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:58:38pm

re: #209 Anymouse 🌹

Well, the only previous example we have is Nixon.

The GOP cannot get a VP replacement through the Senate without some Democratic votes. As in the Nixon case, one would expect a Republican President to nominate a Republican. As such, Gerald Ford was nominated after Spiro Agnew went down because Democrats found him agreeable. The same goes with Ford’s VP Nelson Rockefeller.

Anyone Mike Pence puts up is going to have to be something less than a Dominionist wingnut.

It’s a simple majority in both Houses, so if Pence nominates a Republican senator, if all the Republicans in the Senate vote for him (and assuming he abstains) that’s 51. But that means they can’t lose anyone else in the Senate. I do agree though, that there’s no way it can be a socon fundy.

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Skip Intro  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:59:00pm

re: #192 MsJ

Look at her face. She is not happy with the crypt keeper.

That’s his swan song on the Fox Propaganda Channel.

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stpaulbear  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:59:20pm

re: #149 ObserverArt

I stepped away for dinner but wanted to say that your letter to your senator was really well put. Not mad at all. Laid out what you wanted him to do.

My senators are Franken & Klobuchar so I tried calling McConnell’s office. Voice mail box was full.

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:59:35pm

re: #208 MsJ

Kakistocracy is one of my favorites: a nation/jurisdiction run by the worst, least qualified, or most unscrupulous person(s). That entirely defines Trump and his cabal of cronies.

Cabal being another one of my favorites these days (because cabal of cronies just rolls off the tongue… and wait, it too could make a great band name).

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:01:07pm

re: #206 MsJ

Pence should not survive nor any of the picks to agencies or the SCOTUS.

Doesn’t work that way.

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TedStriker  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:01:54pm

re: #211 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Something nice because it’s nice to remember there are good things in the world:

[Embedded content]

Long live the kings.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:02:28pm

re: #221 Big Beautiful Door

Doesn’t work that way.

Tell me he had no idea about Russia? I don’t buy that for a single, solitary second.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:02:56pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:04:18pm

re: #223 MsJ

Tell me he had no idea about Russia? I don’t buy that for a single, solitary second.

If Mueller gets proof against Pence, he can be indicted like Agnew. Gorsuch, however, is on the Court for life.

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teleskiguy  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:04:24pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

The pee tape exists!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:05:19pm

re: #225 Big Beautiful Door

If Mueller gets proof against Pence, he can be indicted like Agnew. Gorsuch, however, is on the Court for life.

Agh. I’ll never get over that. That seat was totally stolen and I hope Gorsuch’s conscience should he have one bothers him on that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:05:35pm

re: #217 KGxvi

It’s a simple majority in both Houses, so if Pence nominates a Republican senator, if all the Republicans in the Senate vote for him (and assuming he abstains) that’s 51. But that means they can’t lose anyone else in the Senate. I do agree though, that there’s no way it can be a socon fundy.

Can a putative candidate for VP vote for him- or herself?

My only experience here is on my village board. When someone is put up for a position, they must abstain. (For example, when I was put up for Flag Committee chair, charged with ensuring the US Flag is properly displayed on village property and maintaining flags and equipment, I was required to abstain since I am on the board. Does this apply to the House and Senate - considering that VP is a paid position?)

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:06:29pm

re: #227 HappyWarrior

Agh. I’ll never get over that. That seat was totally stolen and I hope Gorsuch’s conscience should he have one bothers him on that.

I doubt he has one, based on the extremely dishonest dissent he recently wrote trying to limit the marital rights of same sex couples.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:07:06pm

re: #228 Anymouse 🌹

Can a putative candidate for VP vote for him- or herself?

My only experience here is on my village board. When someone is put up for a position, they must abstain. (For example, when I was put up for Flag Committee chair, charged with ensuring the US Flag is properly displayed on village property and maintaining flags and equipment, I was required to abstain since I am on the board. Does this apply to the House and Senate - considering that VP is a paid position?)

Pretty sure they can.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:07:26pm

re: #206 MsJ

Pence should not survive nor any of the picks to agencies or the SCOTUS.

re: #221 Big Beautiful Door

Doesn’t work that way.

At the rate this is going, Trump may incriminate Pence in a series of rage tweets as the walls close in.

Pence is doing the “deny, deny, deny” game, but he won’t be able to do it forever.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:07:38pm

re: #229 Big Beautiful Door

I doubt he has one, based on the extremely dishonest dissent he recently wrote trying to limit the marital rights of same sex couples.

Yeah I doubt he does too. He’s a shitty person just like Scalia was. I don’t care that RBG was friends with Scalia. Scalia was an asshole.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:08:02pm

re: #221 Big Beautiful Door

Doesn’t work that way.

Ask Spiro Agnew how that worked out for him… .

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:08:04pm

re: #225 Big Beautiful Door

If Mueller gets proof against Pence, he can be indicted like Agnew. Gorsuch, however, is on the Court for life.

Trump under investigation for fucking treason - and it comes to pass that he is indicted, etc. - and we have to live with the SCOTUS choice? I hope someone sues the government.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:11:54pm

re: #234 MsJ

Trump under investigation for fucking treason - and it comes to pass that he is indicted, etc. - and we have to live with the SCOTUS choice? I hope someone sues the government.

We are definitely in uncharted territory here. No one questioned President Nixon’s Supreme Court appointments - Watergate didn’t involve foreign meddling in our election.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:12:03pm

re: #233 Anymouse 🌹

Ask Spiro Agnew how that worked out for him… .

Agnew was indicted for his own crimes. Mueller has to find something on Pence to indict him; impeaching Trump just makes Pence President otherwise.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:12:04pm

re: #225 Big Beautiful Door

If Mueller gets proof against Pence, he can be indicted like Agnew. Gorsuch, however, is on the Court for life.

Here’s a scary thought. Say Gorsuck was in on this scam by Trump, his cabal, and the Russian goons all along… making himself complict.

Okay, I’ll take the tinfoil hat off.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:15:28pm

re: #236 Big Beautiful Door

Agnew was indicted for his own crimes. Mueller has to find something on Pence to indict him; impeaching Trump just makes Pence President otherwise.

Indiana is already investigating Mike Pence for using both his own and his wife’s AOL accounts for official state business. Pence may well go to court on state charges there.

indystar.com

239
Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:16:15pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:17:35pm

re: #238 Anymouse 🌹

Indiana is already investigating Mike Pence for using both his own and his wife’s AOL accounts for official state business. Pence may well go to court on state charges there.

indystar.com

But her emails!

241
Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:18:04pm

See also the Washington Post analysis of Mike Pence’s problems in Indiana regarding his AOL (and his wife) account:

washingtonpost.com

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:18:42pm
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stpaulbear  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:19:13pm

re: #223 MsJ

Tell me he had no idea about Russia? I don’t buy that for a single, solitary second.

Pence is going to show up as a CC in someone’s email.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:19:35pm

re: #240 Big Beautiful Door

But her emails!

But Her E-mails
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:21:35pm

re: #193 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Even the Hill trolls in that thread had given up.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:22:31pm

re: #242 Stanley Sea

“…except for (Trump’s) departure to Paris in the evening”

To seek asylum? Interesting choice.

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BeachDem  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:23:58pm

re: #136 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

posted especially for BeachDem

She never fails to deliver on being Kayleigh McInidiot, does she?

Thanks.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:24:09pm

re: #246 Myron Falwell

“…except for (Trump’s) departure to Paris in the evening”

To seek asylum? Interesting choice.

“Breaking news from the newsdesk at CNN. President Trump has barricaded himself in the Russian embassy here in Paris.”

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Myron Falwell  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:26:09pm

re: #248 Timothy Watson

“Breaking news from the newsdesk at CNN. President Trump has barricaded himself in the Russian embassy here in Paris.”

The sequel to Woody Allen’s Don’t Drink the Water that no one knew they needed.

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BeachDem  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:27:22pm

re: #145 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

Have to say, Rob Goldstone was all that was missing from this cast of characters until now.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:28:37pm

re: #250 BeachDem

Have to say, Rob Goldstone was all that was missing from this cast of characters until now.

Right out of central casting.

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lawhawk  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:30:05pm

So, the date of this meeting was June 9, 2016 in the afternoon.

Let’s see what else was going on that day. Trump was still dealing with the fallout from his comments on Judge Curiel, and craven GOPers were still willing to give him support despite the evidence Trump lacked the character or judgment to be President.

GOPers were waiting for the pivot. Yeah, they’re still waiting because it’s never gonna happen.

Trump had a meeting with a bunch of high powered GOP lobbyists:

Reince was in the building as well.

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BeachDem  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:30:36pm

re: #151 Belafon

[Embedded content]

Every time somebody posts that Megan McArdle tweet, I am gobsmacked at how incredibly condescending is this line:

“how many of you have taken a genuine working class person to lunch?”

She almost makes David, king of condescension, look like Everyman. (and Peggy Noonan is crying in her gin because she once met a Mexican…or some sort of South American person.)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:31:35pm

re: #253 BeachDem

Every time somebody posts that Megan McArdle tweet, I am gobsmacked at how incredibly condescending is this line:

She almost makes David, king of condescension, look like Everyman. (and Peggy Noonan is crying in her gin because she once met a Mexican…or some sort of South American person.)

Who among us has not looked with envy at the simpler lives of the working class?
//

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Timothy Watson  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:32:40pm

re: #253 BeachDem

Every time somebody posts that Megan McArdle tweet, I am gobsmacked at how incredibly condescending is this line:

She almost makes David, king of condescension, look like Everyman. (and Peggy Noonan is crying in her gin because she once met a Mexican…or some sort of South American person.)

What’s exactly “working class” nowadays? Does it require manual labor? If not, I was making $28,500 or so in February 2016. (I’m making $51,000 now.)

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:33:16pm

re: #225 Big Beautiful Door

If Mueller gets proof against Pence, he can be indicted like Agnew. Gorsuch, however, is on the Court for life.

If Trump is dirty, Pence is dirtier. The Russian influence operation had been targeting fundies a lot longer than it had been targeting Trump. Pence could not have escaped their notice. Ryan is also likely to be dirty, at least for gross negligence and failure to report what he knew.
I think we’ll end up with Hatch as president.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:36:33pm

re: #256 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

If Trump is dirty, Pence is dirtier. The Russian influence operation had been targeting fundies a lot longer than it had been targeting Trump. Pence could not have escaped their notice. Ryan is also likely to be dirty, at least for gross negligence and failure to report what he knew.
I think we’ll end up with Hatch as president.

McConnell, too. Remember them both laughing about Putin paying Trump? I do. They are all treasonous bastards.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:40:03pm

re: #256 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

If Trump is dirty, Pence is dirtier. The Russian influence operation had been targeting fundies a lot longer than it had been targeting Trump. Pence could not have escaped their notice. Ryan is also likely to be dirty, at least for gross negligence and failure to report what he knew.
I think we’ll end up with Hatch as president.

This fucking guy?

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:56:16pm

re: #250 BeachDem

Have to say, Rob Goldstone was all that was missing from this cast of characters until now.

I just realized Goldstone might be in the funky video by the Russian “pop star” Emin. I think he’s the dude in the long hair wig one the left of the big conference table. This is the video Trump was in at the end.

EMIN In Another Life Official Music Video ft. Donald Trump and Miss Universe 2013 Contestants.

Crappy music.

EMIN In Another Life Official Music Video ft. Donald Trump and Miss Universe 2013 Contestants

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2017 • 5:58:58pm

re: #255 Timothy Watson

What’s exactly “working class” nowadays? Does it require manual labor? If not, I was making $28,500 or so in February 2016. (I’m making $51,000 now.)

Defining “Class” in America is an entire genre of Sociology. There is no one set of answers, though most self-identify as Middle Class.

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BeachDem  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:00:15pm

re: #259 ObserverArt

I just realized Goldstone might be in the funky video by the Russian “pop star” Emin. I think he’s the dude in the long hair wig one the left of the big conference table. This is the video Trump was in at the end.

EMIN In Another Life Official Music Video ft. Donald Trump and Miss Universe 2013 Contestants.

Crappy music.

[Embedded content]

I’m not watching it and you can’t make me!!!

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gocart mozart  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:29:08pm

re: #259 ObserverArt

I listened to the whole video. I notice he doesn’t know how to play the piano and I doubt that is him singing. No wonder Trump is involved.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 11, 2017 • 6:30:20pm

re: #256 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

If Trump is dirty, Pence is dirtier. The Russian influence operation had been targeting fundies a lot longer than it had been targeting Trump. Pence could not have escaped their notice. Ryan is also likely to be dirty, at least for gross negligence and failure to report what he knew.
I think we’ll end up with Hatch as president.

Senator Dipsy-Doodle?

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 11, 2017 • 7:58:53pm

re: #171 Anymouse 🌹

Since I don’t have any degrees and my wife won’t share hers, can I have one of yours? /s

I have a MA Ed I ain’t using.


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The Smiths - How Soon Is Now? (Official Music Video) Watch the official music video for "How Soon Is Now"Amazon: po.stiTunes: po.stGoogle: po.stFacebook: po.st "How Soon Is Now?" was originally a B-side of the 1984 single "William, It Was Really Nothing". "How Soon Is Now?" was featured on the ...
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2017 Hurricanes and Aerosols Simulation This is fascinating, I recommend full screen How can you see the atmosphere? By tracking what is carried on the wind. Tiny aerosol particles such as smoke, dust, and sea salt are transported across the globe, making visible weather ...
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Incredibles 2 Official Teaser Trailer The teaser trailer for "Incredibles 2" is here. Disney/Pixar's "Incredibles 2" opens in theatres in 3D June 15th, 2018. Everyone’s favorite family of superheroes is back in “Incredibles 2” – but this time Helen (voice of Holly Hunter) is ...
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Deadpool’s “Wet on Wet” Teaser After surviving a near fatal bovine attack, a disfigured cafeteria chef (Wade Wilson) struggles to fulfill his dream of becoming Mayberry’s hottest bartender while also learning to cope with his lost sense of taste. Searching to regain his spice ...
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Voice of America Reporter Outed as Alt-Right However, using information Fatzick himself posted on Reddit — including his age, girlfriend’s name, former employers, friends, location, educational background, and sports affiliations — this reporter was able to tie the vile posts of UncleSam4200 to the Voice of ...
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Gary Clark Jr - Come Together (Official Music Video) [From the Justice League Movie Soundtrack] Official Video for "Come Together" by Gary Clark Jr. featured in the Justice League Movie trailer. In theaters November 17th 2017.Directed by Kris Merc Get the song now at garyclarkjr.com Check out the Justice League soundtrack here: lnk.to Follow ...
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Kimbra - Top of the World (Official Music Video)New from Kimbra The new single Top of the World is available now on Apple Music, Spotify, Google Play, and more. Get the single here - kmbra.me The new studio album Primal Heart out wwide January 19th, 2018Preorder now - ...
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The Barr Brothers - Song That I Heard (Live on KEXP) kexp.org presents The Barr Brothers performing "Song That I Heard" live at Breakglass Studios during POP Montreal 2017. Recorded September 16, 2017. Audio Engineer: James BenjaminCameras: Jim Beckmann, Ian Cameron & Scott HolpainenEditor: Jim Beckmann kexp.orgpopmontreal.combreakglass.ca With support from ...
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Left Cries Foul, but Electoral College Prevents Tyranny of the Majority I'm speechless...this is what we have to fight against: Image: constitution-1486010_960_720.jpg Author: Paul Jenkins(Paul Jenkins is editor of the anchoragedailyplanet.com, a division of Porcaro Communications) The political left and its mouthpiece, The New York Times, are still fuming over ...
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