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Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:15:13pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:21:43pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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For 8 years, anytime that someone brought up the question about an ongoing “scandal” to Obama and he said he hadn’t hear some latest “bombshell” until it was on the news, the response was either “He’s a liar!” or “He’s an absentee president, doesn’t know what’s going on around him!”

But Trump says this shit and the response is “Well, how can he be expected to know everything?”

Some mornings it’s just not worth chewing through the restraints.

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piratedan  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:22:05pm

supposedly from a Frum tweet:

h/t to Yarrow @ Balloon Juice:

Trump tells Reuters he says no wrong in working w Putin to tip an American election - that’s a warning to supporters of where this is headed— David Frum (@davidfrum) July 12, 2017

I don’t do twitter, but can anyone confirm this?

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Targetpractice  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:23:31pm

re: #3 piratedan

supposedly from a Frum tweet:

h/t to Yarrow @ Balloon Juice:

Trump tells Reuters he says no wrong in working w Putin to tip an American election - that’s a warning to supporters of where this is headed— David Frum (@davidfrum) July 12, 2017

I don’t do twitter, but can anyone confirm this?

Here ya go:

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MsJ  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:23:44pm

re: #3 piratedan

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:24:09pm

*EDIT*

I’m too slow. :)

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MsJ  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:24:43pm
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MsJ  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:24:59pm

re: #6 GlutenFreeJesus

*EDIT*

I’m too slow. :)

We are a helpful bunch!

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MsJ  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:26:32pm

re: #7 MsJ

I guess he is referring to this maybe?

In the interview, Trump said he did not fault his son for holding the meeting. “I think many people would have held that meeting,” the president said.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:28:15pm

re: #3 piratedan

supposedly from a Frum tweet:

h/t to Yarrow @ Balloon Juice:

Trump tells Reuters he says no wrong in working w Putin to tip an American election - that’s a warning to supporters of where this is headed— David Frum (@davidfrum) July 12, 2017

I don’t do twitter, but can anyone confirm this?

It was a follow-on to this:

Frum is paraphrasing, of course, but if Trump sees nothing wrong with his son meeting with a citizen of an adversarial foreign power who is offering her government’s help to win our election, I don’t see how Frum’s take is anything but accurate.

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piratedan  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:28:16pm

re: #9 MsJ

so essentially, Trump is saying that his election warranted treason…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:29:47pm

re: #11 piratedan

so essentially, Trump is saying that his election warranted treason…

I’m leery of the ‘T’ word, but already his followers say shit like that. And remember - for Trump, anything he can get away with is perfectly fine. No such thing as ‘ethics’.

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MsJ  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:32:11pm

re: #11 piratedan

so essentially, Trump is saying that his election warranted treason…

He is the emperor god or whatever they call him.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:32:18pm
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piratedan  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:32:42pm

re: #12 Blind Frog Belly White

understand… but my understanding of the word is working with outside entities to influence the USA, as far as I’m aware, Russia is just such an entity. Same would be true if it was GB or even another ally, much less someone who has been at best, a rival on the world stage

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:36:30pm

re: #15 piratedan

understand… but my understanding of the word is working with outside entities to influence the USA, as far as I’m aware, Russia is just such an entity. Same would be true if it was GB or even another ally, much less someone who has been at best, a rival on the world stage

As long as you accept that your understanding of the word, and the Constitution’s understanding (and therefore the legally applicable understanding) are quite different.

Even then, I’d prefer people restrict themselves to the Constitutional definition, because when everyone tosses the word around so freely, it looses its weight.

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garzooma  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:36:32pm

re: #15 piratedan

understand… but my understanding of the word is working with outside entities to influence the USA, as far as I’m aware, Russia is just such an entity. Same would be true if it was GB or even another ally, much less someone who has been at best, a rival on the world stage

It’s more like encouraging an outside entity to commit crimes (stealing private information) against Americans.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:37:48pm

re: #13 MsJ

He is the emperor god or whatever they call him.

God-emperor, is the term they use. Which always amuses me because for the evangelicals, there’s only supposed to be one God, and Donald J. Trump is about the opposite.

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Targetpractice  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:37:58pm

So yeah, we’re rapidly reaching that point where wingnuts just stop arguing over whether collusion occurred and start arguing over whether it’s a crime or not.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:38:10pm

Please tell me that Kid Rock is kidding.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:38:25pm

re: #11 piratedan

so essentially, Trump is saying that his election warranted treason…

Treason is a tough case to prove. You could have endless arguments over the constitutional definition of treason.

On the other hand, espionage is pretty straightforward. And accepting information stolen by a foreign power qualifies in colluding with spies.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:38:46pm

re: #20 I Would Prefer Not To

Please tell me that Kid Rock is kidding.

Take one look at the orange jackass in the Oval Office. Now take another look at Kid Rock. I rest my case.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:40:06pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

So yeah, we’re rapidly reaching that point where wingnuts just stop arguing over whether collusion occurred and start arguing over whether it’s a crime or not.

Yep that’s where we are. We’re at the point where they can’t deny collusion happened so they’re denying that it’s a bad thing. Man I weep for our country.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:40:23pm

re: #20 I Would Prefer Not To

Please tell me that Kid Rock is kidding.

I wish. The only thing I can say is at least he’s not Ted Nugent but that’s not saying much.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:40:49pm

re: #21 Anymouse 🌹

Treason is a tough case to prove. You could have endless arguments over the constitutional definition of treason.

On the other hand, espionage is pretty straightforward. And accepting information stolen by a foreign power qualifies in colluding with spies.

Yep treason is tough to prove but espionage absolutely.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:41:43pm

I am tired of people who know nothing about politics getting involved in politics at a high level.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:42:48pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

Yep that’s where we are. We’re at the point where they can’t deny collusion happened so they’re denying that it’s a bad thing. Man I weep for our country.

“Trump colluded with Russia.”

NO HE DIDN’T!!!!

“Trump Jr. colluded with Russia, he said so himself.”

TRUMP DIDN’T KNOW!!!!!

“Trump knew and is an accessory.”

THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH COLLUSION!!!!

“Here’s the legal case proving that this kind of collusion is espionage, and his coverups constitute obstruction of justice.”

… Umm, umm… BUT HILLARY’S EMAILS!!!!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:43:07pm

I’m not a fan of the death penalty, but the 1917 Espionage Act lists that as one of the penalties that can be handed down.

Don Jr. could be in real trouble.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:43:25pm

re: #27 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

“Trump colluded with Russia.”

NO HE DIDN’T!!!!

“Trump Jr. colluded with Russia, he said so himself.

TRUMP DIDN’T KNOW!!!!!

“Trump knew and is an accessory.

THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH COLLUSION!!!!

“Here’s the legal case proving that this kind of collusion is espionage, and his coverups constitute obstruction of justice.”

… Umm, umm… BUT HILLARY’S EMAILS!!!!

Yep it’s the circle of derp.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:43:27pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

I am tired of people who know nothing about politics getting involved in politics at a high level.

Yeah. California’s experience with novices in high office, as well as term limits and the wonders of ‘citizen legislators’ have soured me on the whole idea of outsiders.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:43:51pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

I am tired of people who know nothing about politics getting involved in politics at a high level.

Well, Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook is testing the waters to see if he can buy the Presidency as well …

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lawhawk  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:44:17pm

re: #12 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m leery of the ‘T’ word, but already his followers say shit like that. And remember - for Trump, anything he can get away with is perfectly fine. No such thing as ‘ethics’.

Treason: Specific crime identified in the US constitution. Specific elements of the crime of treason must be met.

Sedition: Specific crime under 10 U.S. Code § 894. Sedition is intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of lawful civil authority, creates, in concert with any other person, revolt, violence, or other disturbance against that authority.

Contributions by a foreign national: 52 U.S. Code § 30121. It’s unlawful for—
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.

Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States - 18 U.S. Code § 371.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:45:08pm

re: #30 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah. California’s experience with novices in high office, as well as term limits and the wonders of ‘citizen legislators’ have soured me on the whole idea of outsiders.

I honestly prefer so called career politicians over the noobs who go into politics who don’t know shit what they’re talking about. But then again, I want a skilled cardiologist to work on my heart too so no wonder why I want someone who can actually understand policy to make my laws for me.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:45:29pm

re: #31 Anymouse 🌹

Well, Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook is testing the waters to see if he can buy the Presidency as well …

Yeah I saw that and Dwayne Johnson. Not a fan of either as an idea.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:47:16pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

Yeah I saw that and Dwayne Johnson. Not a fan of either as an idea.

I’m hoping that there is a backlash against idiots running for office.

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lawhawk  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:47:31pm

re: #14 FormerDirtDart

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lawhawk  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:48:45pm

re: #20 I Would Prefer Not To

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garzooma  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:48:58pm

re: #21 Anymouse 🌹

Treason is a tough case to prove. You could have endless arguments over the constitutional definition of treason.

On the other hand, espionage is pretty straightforward. And accepting information stolen by a foreign power qualifies in colluding with spies.

Sounds like “adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort” to me.

And what’s so bad about arguing over this? Let Trump supporters explain which crimes committed by foreign powers they’re ok with.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:49:01pm

re: #35 I Would Prefer Not To

I’m hoping that there is a backlash against idiots running for office.

I would hope so too. I don’t dislike Zuckerberg and Johnson but can they just stay in what they’re doign already?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:50:08pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:50:20pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

I honestly prefer so called career politicians over the noobs who go into politics who don’t know shit what they’re talking about. But then again, I want a skilled cardiologist to work on my heart too so no wonder why I want someone who can actually understand policy to make my laws for me.

People get frustrated with Government not doing what they want when they want it to. I get that. But a lot of that is 1) Government in a democracy is answerable to ALL the people, not just you. 2) Not everyone agrees with you. 3) in the US particularly, a lot of impediments were enacted to prevent the Government acting too quickly, or too extremely without accountability.

I think this is where the Right and Left differ. I don’t ever see people on the Left suggesting that any individual in a rural area, or in one of the Big Empty States should have less of a voice in government than they do, nor do I see the Left wanting to make it harder for white folks to vote.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:50:23pm

re: #36 lawhawk

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I’m more of a Joe C kind of guy. // But seriously, I’m more qualified to be a Senator than Kid Rock. I’ve taken poli sci classes. I’ve written political papers. Kid Rock? He’s been a surrogate for Trump and Romney. If he wants to seek lower office and work his way up, that’s fine but immediately going for hte Senate is tacky.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:50:51pm

re: #41 Blind Frog Belly White

People get frustrated with Government not doing what they want when they want it to. I get that. But a lot of that is 1) Government in a democracy is answerable to ALL the people, not just you. 2) Not everyone agrees with you. 3) in the US particularly, a lot of impediments were enacted to prevent the Government acting too quickly, or too extremely without accountability.

I think this is where the Right and Left differ. I don’t ever see people on the Left suggesting that any individual in a rural area, or in one of the Big Empty States should have less of a voice in government than they do, nor do I see the Left wanting to make it harder for white folks to vote.

You nailed it.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:52:23pm

re: #41 Blind Frog Belly White

People get frustrated with Government not doing what they want when they want it to. I get that. But a lot of that is 1) Government in a democracy is answerable to ALL the people, not just you. 2) Not everyone agrees with you. 3) in the US particularly, a lot of impediments were enacted to prevent the Government acting too quickly, or too extremely without accountability.

I think this is where the Right and Left differ. I don’t ever see people on the Left suggesting that any individual in a rural area, or in one of the Big Empty States should have less of a voice in government than they do, nor do I see the Left wanting to make it harder for white folks to vote.

And the problem is, because the government has to balance everybody’s needs, everybody eventually finds some reason to complain about their elected representation. And this leads to Donald J. Trump, when everybody feels like revolting against The Establishment, and nobody really thinks about being willing to accept most of what they want in exchange for making sure the guy who will do NONE of what they want doesn’t get voted in instead.

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DodgerFan1988  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:52:33pm

Trump followers are a dangerous cult just like Jonestown or the Branch Davidians.

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JordanRules  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:53:33pm

So McConnell was really good with this info. Pathetic.

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Teukka  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:53:45pm

re: #45 DodgerFan1988

Trump followers are a dangerous cult unlike Jonestown or the Branch Davidians.

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Unlike the Branch Davidians or the People’s Temple, this cult can kill us all.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:53:50pm

Given Trump’s own WWE tenure…all I’m saying is that The Rock and folding chair would actually be a viable solution for our presidential crisis.

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lawhawk  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:54:04pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Trump proved that anyone can be president, no matter how unqualified. More than that, Trump proved that anyone can be elected, despite clear evidence of being a bigot, sociopath, misogynist, and consorting with foreign govts to ensure political win.

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Targetpractice  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:54:44pm

re: #46 JordanRules

So McConnell was really good with this info. Pathetic.

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The IC has known about it since April, but I imagine the emails were news to them.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:54:56pm

re: #49 lawhawk

‘Merica!

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lawhawk  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:55:33pm

re: #46 JordanRules

Another way to frame that - McConnell is complict and he still doesn’t care what Trump does so long as the tax cuts roll in and Medicaid/Obamacare/Medicare get gutted for millions of people who rely on those programs.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:56:04pm

re: #46 JordanRules

So McConnell was really good with this info. Pathetic.

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Well, to be fair, saying they met with a Russian lawyer to discuss adoption sounds pretty benign. It’s the ‘She’s got dirt on HRC that she wants to share as part of the Russian Government’s effort to help your campaign’ part that’s the problem.

I bet they didn’t know THAT!

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JordanRules  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:56:04pm

re: #52 lawhawk

Exactly!!!!
It makes me so damned angry!

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TedStriker  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:56:05pm

re: #48 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Given Trump’s own WWE tenure…all I’m saying is that The Rock and folding chair would actually be a viable solution for our presidential crisis.

Trump…versus The Rock…in a real cage match.

That’s what I’m talkin’ about.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:57:28pm

re: #49 lawhawk

Trump proved that anyone can be president, no matter how unqualified. More than that, Trump proved that anyone can be elected, despite clear evidence of being a bigot, sociopath, misogynist, and consorting with foreign govts to ensure political win.

IMO, it’s worse. Trump was elected because he was willing to be OPENLY “a bigot, sociopath, misogynist, and consorting with foreign govts to ensure political win.” It shows he’s ‘honest’.

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JordanRules  Jul 12, 2017 • 3:58:51pm

re: #53 Blind Frog Belly White

I bet they did. They’ve always known more than us. I remember DiFis face after one meeting. I remember Maxine’s face after another meeting.

Obama told McConnell shit was real. They don’t care.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:01:10pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

I’m more of a Joe C kind of guy. // But seriously, I’m more qualified to be a Senator than Kid Rock. I’ve taken poli sci classes. I’ve written political papers. Kid Rock? He’s been a surrogate for Trump and Romney. If he wants to seek lower office and work his way up, that’s fine but immediately going for hte Senate is tacky.

I’m more qualified than Kid Rock. I haven’t had any college, though I have written political articles. I’ve also been in the military so I understand how bureaucracy works, and on my village board so I understand (local) politics.

I still wouldn’t try to make a jump straight to the Senate. There are a few steps between “village board” and “Senate.”

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Renaissance_Man  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:01:34pm

re: #53 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, to be fair, saying they met with a Russian lawyer to discuss adoption sounds pretty benign. It’s the ‘She’s got dirt on HRC that she wants to share as part of the Russian Government’s effort to help your campaign’ part that’s the problem.

I bet they didn’t know THAT!

The reporting on this is further evidence of how miserable the news media really is. There is no possible common sense reason why a Russian lawyer would meet with the son of an underdog political candidate to discuss ‘adoption’. That people swallow this uncritically is further demonstration of how controlled the American populace is by their media. It makes no sense unless you also then mention the Magnitsky act and adoption in that context. But to mention that would be a) complicated, and b) most importantly, interfere with the narrative that Trump Jr met with them on supposedly innocent grounds but there may be so many more tantalising details that you can only find out if you tune in next.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:02:15pm

re: #58 Anymouse 🌹

I’m more qualified than Kid Rock. I haven’t had any college, though I have written political articles. I’ve also been in the military so I understand how bureaucracy works, and on my village board so I understand (local) politics.

I still wouldn’t try to make a jump straight to the Senate. There are a few steps between “village board” and “Senate.”

Kid Rock is only qualified to be village idiot

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:02:29pm

re: #57 JordanRules

I bet they did. They’ve always known more than us. I remember DiFis face after one meeting. I remember Maxine’s face after another meeting.

Obama told McConnell shit was real. They don’t care.

I’ve seen reports the last day or so that say that the email trail was news to Mueller, though, which makes me think Kushner and his attorneys tried to fly this in under the radar as an update/modification to his SF86.

This suggests two things to me. First, that no, nobody knew about the emails. And second, that there’s a lot more stuff than just this, or Mueller wouldn’t need to be staffing up so heavily, even without knowing about this.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:02:45pm

re: #55 TedStriker

See, I’m almost going the opposite direction, where there’s an audience who like high-energy emotional narratives and little interest in reality testing, and thus The Rock taking on Trump politically would harness the current cultural “feel” of politics as melodrama. I mean, if we’re going to do content-free populism, let’s really fucking get down and roll in the content-free populism.

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MsJ  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:02:56pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

The IC has known about it since April, but I imagine the emails were news to them.

According to Josh Marshall, they were news to the IC.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:03:11pm

Man, Andre the Giant would have been such a great Vice President.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:03:49pm

re: #59 Renaissance_Man

The reporting on this is further evidence of how miserable the news media really is. There is no possible common sense reason why a Russian lawyer would meet with the son of an underdog political candidate to discuss ‘adoption’. That people swallow this uncritically is further demonstration of how controlled the American populace is by their media. It makes no sense unless you also then mention the Magnitsky act and adoption in that context. But to mention that would be a) complicated, and b) most importantly, interfere with the narrative that Trump Jr met with them on supposedly innocent grounds but there may be so many more tantalising details that you can only find out if you tune in next.

And yet it was the news media that dug up the meeting and the emails and got Don Jr. to release them.

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MsJ  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:04:13pm

re: #52 lawhawk

Another way to frame that - McConnell is complict and he still doesn’t care what Trump does so long as the tax cuts roll in and Medicaid/Obamacare/Medicare get gutted for millions of people who rely on those programs.

Ryan, too. Remember them har dee har haring about Putin paying Trump?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:04:46pm

re: #57 JordanRules

I bet they did. They’ve always known more than us. I remember DiFis face after one meeting. I remember Maxine’s face after another meeting.

Obama told McConnell shit was real. They don’t care.

Plus that was the black guy talking out of turn to McConnell.

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wrenchwench  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:05:18pm

re: #57 JordanRules

I bet they did. They’ve always known more than us. I remember DiFis face after one meeting. I remember Maxine’s face after another meeting.

Obama told McConnell shit was real. They don’t care.

They do care. About getting as much of their agenda passed as they can with the time they have left.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:05:25pm

re: #46 JordanRules

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:07:44pm

It would appear that the Russian’s Operation Covfefe is starting to unravel.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:09:41pm

re: #36 lawhawk

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I sympathize. I’ve been voting ding-a-ding-dang my dang-a-long ling-long for years, myself.

/Jesus built my car

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JordanRules  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:10:08pm

re: #61 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve definitely seen the same reporting and what you gleaned from that makes total sense.

I believe we have lots of SIGINT and are keeping a lot of stuff close to the vest for various understandable reasons. I also believe this is a very long con so that always colors how I interpret this stuff. You are being much more sober in your analysis than me which is not a bad thing at all.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:11:47pm
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:11:55pm

It’s an awkward position for intelligence investigators when the upper third of the Executive Branch is compromised. What do you reveal you know, when the Asshole in Chief invites the adversary right into the Oval Office with their own camera equipment?

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:12:11pm

I don’t give a shit that Manchin is a Democrat he’s a West Virginia conservative and has been working to cover this whole thing up.

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Jack Burton  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:12:33pm

re: #41 Blind Frog Belly White

I think this is where the Right and Left differ. I don’t ever see people on the Left suggesting that any individual in a rural area, or in one of the Big Empty States should have less of a voice in government than they do, nor do I see the Left wanting to make it harder for white folks to vote.

I hate to engage in some anecdotal both-siderism here, but just about everyone I know on either side left or right, says, or has said, one or more of these:

1. Stupid people shouldn’t vote.
2. We shouldn’t be making it easier to vote. (if you can’t put a little effort into you shouldn’t do it)
3. There should be an IQ test required for voting.
4. You have have to pass a civics exam before voting.
5. People who are apathetic about politics or uninformed shouldn’t vote.
6. You should have to own *something*, not necessarily land, but some “asset”.
7. You should have to do public or military service to vote (ala Starship Troopers)

etc, etc, etc…

Of course everyone’s definition of “stupid people” or “ignorant people” varies widely and *never* includes themselves. There’s obviously some white privilege bullshit going on in some of these.

THE DIFFERENCE is, no one with any power from center to the left actually acts on this, but politicians on the right try to sneak shit like this into the law all the time.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:13:15pm

huffingtonpost.com

After a nationwide backlash, the Department of Homeland Security has relented and will allow the all-girl’s robotics team from Afghanistan to enter the country for the upcoming competition they entered.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:13:40pm

re: #72 JordanRules

I’ve definitely seen the same reporting and what you gleaned from that makes total sense.

I believe we have lots of SIGINT and are keeping a lot of stuff close to the vest for various understandable reasons. I also believe this is a very long con so that always colors how I interpret this stuff. You are being much more sober in your analysis than me which is not a bad thing at all.

Skeptic is what I do for a living. In Science, you should always be the harshest critic of your own hypotheses and analysis. If you aren’t, somebody else will be!

And after being burned a couple times by Confirmation Bias in political stuff, I try to be at least as skeptical there - scientific hypotheses don’t make shit up and conduct disinformation campaigns to get you to believe them!

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:15:21pm

re: #68 wrenchwench

They do care. About getting as much of their agenda passed as they can with the time they have left.

McConnell and pals are still trying to steer things to get a permanent majority.

Trump’s team of quacks and bigots aren’t qualified for much, but their assembled priorities amount to (1) negating and disenfranchising as many anti-GOP voters as possible, (2) empowering wingnut-friendly groups that will by hook and crook deceive, mislead, and intimidate people who question their narrative, (3) creating a cultural frame which will long-term produce less critical thinkers, and thus more people vulnerable to wingnut framing (because the GOP is not defined by conservatism, but by a style of thinking).

The GOP will fight to make this happen, because the other thing that unifies them is a sense that they’re the True Americans, and it’s their responsibility to “protect” the US by building a system in which their kind of people can do what they want.

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TedStriker  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:15:40pm

re: #62 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

See, I’m almost going the opposite direction, where there’s an audience who like high-energy emotional narratives and little interest in reality testing, and thus The Rock taking on Trump politically would harness the current cultural “feel” of politics as melodrama. I mean, if we’re going to do content-free populism, let’s really fucking get down and roll in the content-free populism.

Nah, I’d just like to see The Rock beat Trump’s ass, for real.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:16:18pm

re: #80 TedStriker

Nah, I’d just like to see The Rock beat Trump’s ass.

You could sell tickets to that.

…Heyyyyyyy…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:16:27pm

DHS is still being dicks about the Afghani girl’s entry into the USA:

The girls will not be granted visas, but instead “parole,” allowing them to stay in the U.S. for 10 days ― a reversal that occurred after President Donald Trump intervened in the matter, Politico reported. The teens will be able to take their robot to the FIRST Global Challenge, an international robotics competition in Washington this month.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:18:51pm

re: #35 I Would Prefer Not To

I’m hoping that there is a backlash against idiots running for office.

If you were to ask me to name a celebrity/entertainer not named Al Franken who has been anything but a steaming pile of horseshit when they entered politics… I’d draw a blank.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:19:28pm

re: #76 Jack Burton

I hate to engage in some anecdotal both-siderism here, but just about everyone I know on either side left or right, says, or has said, one or more of these:

1. Stupid people shouldn’t vote.
2. We shouldn’t be making it easier to vote. (if you can’t put a little effort into you shouldn’t do it)
3. There should be an IQ test required for voting.
4. You have have to pass a civics exam before voting.
5. People who are apathetic about politics or uninformed shouldn’t vote.
6. You should have to own *something*, not necessarily land, but some “asset”.
7. You should have to do public or military service to vote (ala Starship Troopers)

etc, etc, etc…

Of course everyone’s definition of “stupid people” or “ignorant people” varies widely and *never* includes themselves. There’s obviously some white privilege bullshit going on in some of these.

THE DIFFERENCE is, no one with any power from center to the left actually acts on this, but politicians on the right try to sneak shit like this into the law all the time.

That’s why I was very specific in what I said. I’ve repeatedly heard people on the Right argue that people in rural areas and Big Empty States should have greater weight attached to their votes “so they aren’t dominated by the cities”, and of course they also favor restrictions on voting that would disproportionately disenfranchise nonwhite populations.

What I hear from the left is not a call to REVERSE those situation so that each of our votes counts MORE, but rather to make everyone’s vote count THE SAME.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:19:43pm

re: #77 Anymouse 🌹

huffingtonpost.com

After a nationwide backlash, the Department of Homeland Security has relented and will allow the all-girl’s robotics team from Afghanistan to enter the country for the upcoming competition they entered.

That is good news. It was so outrageous that they were banned from entering the country, especially given that Afghanistan wasn’t on the ban list anyway. There is something seriously wrong with almost every appointment (Mattis excluded) of the Trump administration.

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Kragar  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:20:24pm
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Renaissance_Man  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:21:19pm

re: #76 Jack Burton

I hate to engage in some anecdotal both-siderism here, but just about everyone I know on either side left or right, says, or has said, one or more of these:

1. Stupid people shouldn’t vote.
2. We shouldn’t be making it easier to vote. (if you can’t put a little effort into you shouldn’t do it)
3. There should be an IQ test required for voting.
4. You have have to pass a civics exam before voting.
5. People who are apathetic about politics or uninformed shouldn’t vote.
6. You should have to own *something*, not necessarily land, but some “asset”.
7. You should have to do public or military service to vote (ala Starship Troopers)

etc, etc, etc…

Of course everyone’s definition of “stupid people” or “ignorant people” varies widely and *never* includes themselves. There’s obviously some white privilege bullshit going on in some of these.

THE DIFFERENCE is, no one with any power from center to the left actually acts on this, but politicians on the right try to sneak shit like this into the law all the time.

This is a problem with democracy as it stands. My take on it is that voting should be mandatory. Unquestionably. Most of the problems with the US electoral system would be fixed with that one change.

Voting is like taxes. It’s part of your mandatory contribution to a civil society. It’s true patriotism. Otherwise what you have isn’t democracy, but rather a race to suppress the votes of people who won’t vote for you.

I can see an argument for the other side, where voting isn’t given to everyone, but rather earned. That’s not an unreasonable position, and if such were the case, I could rationalise it being optional. But if you’re going to give the vote to everyone, everyone votes.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:21:27pm
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MsJ  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:25:09pm

re: #82 Anymouse 🌹

DHS is still being dicks about the Afghani girl’s entry into the USA:

And if Trump thinks that the US has any chance of getting there Olympics he’s fucking insane (I know, I know). Here’s turned away the robotics team. Various sports teams.

Can you say not a snowballs chance in hell?

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Myron Falwell  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:25:20pm

re: #73 teleskiguy

What’s befallen the Catholic Church is set to hit American politics — endless humiliating scandals by Republicans complict in RussiaGate that will persist long after Trump is removed.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:25:21pm

re: #82 Anymouse 🌹

DHS is still being dicks about the Afghani girl’s entry into the USA:

Parole??? So they’re fucking criminals now?

*spit*

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JordanRules  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:25:28pm

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

I remain shocked by all the damn complicity!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:27:29pm

re: #87 Renaissance_Man

Can’t go as far as mandatory voting, and conversely I can’t justify any limits on, or ‘earning’ the franchise. No matter how you slice it, everyone who lives in the country is impacted by what government does. Hence, the franchise should be as open as possible - over age of majority, citizen, not currently convicted serving a sentence, or on probation/parole. Any other restrictions, and you’re making unwarrantable value judgements and disenfranchising people who nonetheless are subject to the government’s control.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:27:51pm

re: #45 DodgerFan1988

Trump followers are a dangerous cult just like Jonestown or the Branch Davidians.

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Ya think? Jeebz… pretty much anybody running for a bigtime office as a Republican has been part of the cult. It’s now guaranteed & has been for some time.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:28:06pm

Probably the thing that Mr. Trump (and his whole family) would fear would be a money-laundering conviction. (New York’s AG might be looking at that.)

The penalty for money laundering (aside from jail) is asset forfeiture. That would leave them penniless.

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ObserverArt  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:28:17pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

I am tired of people who know nothing about politics getting involved in politics at a high level.

Celebration of Celebrity.

And Reality TV has not helped one bit. It has distorted reality.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:28:17pm

I really hope Trump doesn’t go all Wag The Dog and start bombing someone to try and take the media attention off of Russia.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:29:30pm

re: #89 MsJ

And if Trump thinks that the US has any chance of getting there Olympics he’s fucking insane (I know, I know). Here’s turned away the robotics team. Various sports teams.

Can you say not a snowballs chance in hell?

Fat chance of it happening, but the IOC could make a bold statement and barr the U.S. from participating on the 2018 Winter Olympics. JUST to see Ill Douche have a meltdown over his KFC and Big Gulp.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:30:48pm

re: #97 Eclectic Cyborg

I really hope Trump doesn’t go all Wag The Dog and start bombing someone to try and take the media attention off of Russia.

It’s part of the process. The blueprint has been used. Remember when we had to reelect George Bush because we were at war and it would be wrong to change leadership in the middle. Hoping congress will finally stand up to him, but who the @$#$@%#$ knows.

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Renaissance_Man  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:30:52pm

re: #93 Blind Frog Belly White

Can’t go as far as mandatory voting, and conversely I can’t justify any limits on, or ‘earning’ the franchise. No matter how you slice it, everyone who lives in the country is impacted by what government does. Hence, the franchise should be as open as possible - over age of majority, citizen, not currently convicted serving a sentence, or on probation/parole. Any other restrictions, and you’re making unwarrantable value judgements and disenfranchising people who nonetheless are subject to the government’s control.

I agree, which is why the vote should be open to all. And mandatory.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:31:27pm

re: #93 Blind Frog Belly White

One issue concerning “currently convicted serving a sentence”: You can vote (even from jail) if you are serving a misdemeanor sentence. (Frequently get-out-the-vote drives include jails.)

As far as Felony convictions go, that depends on the state, but Felonies are often used to disenfranchise particular groups (cough cough African-Americans). Convicted Felons are still subject to all the laws of the land, including things like taxation.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:31:41pm

re: #97 Eclectic Cyborg

I really hope Trump doesn’t go all Wag The Dog and start bombing someone to try and take the media attention off of Russia.

He already tried that with Syria. It was a dismal failure back then. It will be the same exact failure next time.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:32:01pm

sums it up

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:34:40pm

re: #103 I Would Prefer Not To

Lol as a poet that rhyme always pisses me off. It’s as lazy as you can get for a writer. He could have least gone with:

“We were trying different drinks and we were smoking funny things…”

Not a perfect rhyme but hey at least there’s a bit of effort there.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:36:07pm

re: #101 Anymouse 🌹

One issue concerning “currently convicted serving a sentence”: You can vote (even from jail) if you are serving a misdemeanour sentence. (Frequently get-out-the-vote drives include jails.)

As far as Felony convictions go, that depends on the state, but Felonies are often used to disenfranchise particular groups (cough cough African-Americans). Convicted Felons are still subject to all the laws of the land, including things like taxation.

Change that to ‘currently convicted of a felony, serving a sentence’ then.

My argument would be that a convicted felon serving time, one way or another, has forfeited their right to vote, as they’ve forfeited their right to their liberty, WHILE SERVING THEIR SENTENCE.

Once that’s done, and ‘debt to society’ discharged, I can’t see a reasonable argument for denying them the franchise. You’ve paid your debt to society, or you haven’t.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:37:05pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:40:28pm
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MsJ  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:41:47pm

re: #104 Eclectic Cyborg

Lol as a poet that rhyme always pisses me off. It’s as lazy as you can get for a writer. He could have least gone with:

“We were trying different drinks and we were smoking funny things…”

Not a perfect rhyme but hey at least there’s a bit of effort there.

We were trying different (blings, strings, singz, wings) …

It’s not like you can’t make up your own freaking words.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:44:29pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:45:47pm

re: #107 goddamnedfrank

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“The band is functioning perfectly. I have little time for heroin.”

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Myron Falwell  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:45:51pm

Now it’s the KKKeebler Elf’s turn to self-immolate.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:46:17pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:46:19pm

Look at this turd using Fake News to project like an IMAX in outer space.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:47:45pm

re: #105 Blind Frog Belly White

Change that to ‘currently convicted of a felony, serving a sentence’ then.

My argument would be that a convicted felon serving time, one way or another, has forfeited their right to vote, as they’ve forfeited their right to their liberty, WHILE SERVING THEIR SENTENCE.

Once that’s done, and ‘debt to society’ discharged, I can’t see a reasonable argument for denying them the franchise. You’ve paid your debt to society, or you haven’t.

Well, my basic argument there was (aside from a discharged debt to society which we agree on) is what constitutes “forfeiting liberty.” Obviously being in prison means you cannot come and go as you will, but one of the founding slogans of the nation is “no taxation without representation.” An imprisoned felon is still subject to taxation for example.

Also, a felony conviction doesn’t necessarily include jail time - you could get probation for it.

This is one of those thorny issues you probably couldn’t get a whole lot of people to agree on. To me it seems simpler just to have an inalienable right to vote and be done with it. No parsing about “this convicted person is worthy, but that one is not.”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:48:06pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

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With Trump as President, Putin doesn’t need to actively undermine the USA. His pawn in the White House is perfectly capable of doing it for him.

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MsJ  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:48:10pm

re: #113 The Vicious Babushka

Mooney Times said what?

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:48:34pm

mcsweeneys.net

HOW TO TALK TO YOUR TEEN ABOUT COLLUDING WITH RUSSIA

TOM RUSSELL


Even the best-behaved teen is likely to encounter a situation where he or she is tempted to collude with Russia. Unfortunately for parents, a teen’s natural tendency to test the limits of independence can often manifest itself in his or her exchanging sensitive information with Russian emissaries for material or other rewards. If not constructively addressed during adolescence, colluding with Russia can have much more serious consequences in adulthood.

Here are a few tips for engaging in a healthy conversation with your teen about the hazards of colluding with Russia:

Keep the Lines of Dialogue Open

Don’t be shy about asking your teen where she has been, who she has spent time with, or why she has receipts from Cypriot bank wire transfers hidden under a false bottom of her jewelry case. If you discover a folder marked “parental Kompromat” try to stay focused and not act emotional. Think about her point of view and why she would consider it important to have your social security number, Gmail password, and Pornhub search history in a secret folder. Take advantage of these “teachable moments” to have meaningful discussions about colluding with Russia with your teen.

Explain the Negative Consequences of Colluding With Russia

When talking to your teen about colluding with Russia honesty is the best policy. You shouldn’t shy away from mentioning that a Federal indictment could turn into an awkward blemish on a college application, or that retributive Polonium poisoning could likely hamper one’s ability to compete for a coveted lacrosse scholarship. Remind them also that sharing their behavior on social media is never a good idea. Posting a selfie with a Russian aluminum magnate or “checking in” to a Kremlin safe house can have ramifications that are difficult to erase later on….

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fern01  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:49:05pm

re: #100 Renaissance_Man

I agree, which is why the vote should be open to all. And mandatory.

It should also be equally EASY for everyone to vote. With wait times varying between 5 minutes and 7 hours across various states - this does not, in my view, mean “open to all”

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TedStriker  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:49:42pm

re: #108 MsJ

We were trying different (blings, strings, singz, wings) …

It’s not like you can’t make up your own freaking words.

Some people call me the space cowboy.
Yeah! Some call me the gangster of love.
Some people call me Maurice,
‘Cause I speak of the pompatus of love

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Myron Falwell  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:50:32pm

re: #115 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

With Trump as President, Putin doesn’t need to actively undermine the USA. His pawn in the White House is perfectly capable of doing it for him.

The Republican Party as a collective unit is doing the undermining. I’m not going to let any of them skate on this.

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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:51:04pm
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ObserverArt  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:52:13pm

re: #58 Anymouse 🌹

I’m more qualified than Kid Rock. I haven’t had any college, though I have written political articles. I’ve also been in the military so I understand how bureaucracy works, and on my village board so I understand (local) politics.

I still wouldn’t try to make a jump straight to the Senate. There are a few steps between “village board” and “Senate.”

Yeah, so-so rap, rock, and country music makin’; then you can run for Senate.

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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:52:40pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:53:02pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:54:56pm

re: #114 Anymouse 🌹

Well, my basic argument there was (aside from a discharged debt to society which we agree on) is what constitutes “forfeiting liberty.” Obviously being in prison means you cannot come and go as you will, but one of the founding slogans of the nation is “no taxation without representation.” An imprisoned felon is still subject to taxation for example.

Also, a felony conviction doesn’t necessarily include jail time - you could get probation for it.

This is one of those thorny issues you probably couldn’t get a whole lot of people to agree on. To me it seems simpler just to have an inalienable right to vote and be done with it. No parsing about “this convicted person is worthy, but that one is not.”

Noncitizens also pay taxes. So do children, so it’s not really absolute.

And to my way of thinking, prison, probation, and parole are all ‘serving your time’, so I would not distinguish between an imprisoned felon and a paroled one. But at the end of the sentence, the disenfranchisement ends.

We already make distinctions between misdemeanors and felonies, so, yeah, ‘this convict is worth but that one is not’ is already part of the law, even leaving aside voting. And given that a number of states make the disenfranchisement permanent, trying to get to no disenfranchisement AT ALL is a really heavy lift against public opinion.

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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:55:38pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:58:45pm
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Flying Squirrel Girl  Jul 12, 2017 • 4:59:44pm

re: #107 goddamnedfrank

I watched CNN this morning and Cuomo and Camerota mentioned a few times things like, “We have reports that the president spent a lot of time yesterday watching TV news reports…” They also trolled him a bit by saying, “…so if you’re watching, Mr. President…” Trump is so stupid he lets everybody know that he was in fact hate-watching CNN by tweeting that he was doing the opposite. Fucking imbecile.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:00:09pm

re: #126 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s tough enough to get states to agree to restore voting rights after discharging a Felony conviction, so you’re correct here - the idea of universal suffrage for all adult American citizens is likely a non-starter.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:02:10pm

re: #64 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Man, Andre the Giant would have been such a great Vice President.

Inconceivable!

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:07:30pm

The poster, Todd Klein, was Lubbock County DEMOCRATIC chair a few years ago:

Facebook Post

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nines09  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:07:35pm

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bratwurst  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:08:18pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:08:26pm

Now that Don, Jr. appears to have stepped in it big time, I wonder if he (or someone else related to that E-mail fiasco) is going to roll on the Large Hadron Colluder?

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:11:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:15:02pm

re: #132 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The poster, Todd Klein, was Lubbock County DEMOCRATIC chair a few years ago:

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What a tool.

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MsJ  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:15:03pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:15:04pm

re: #136 FormerDirtDart

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What is it about Ohio?

Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young Ohio 1970 Kent State University

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Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:15:42pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:16:29pm

Tulsa cop who shot his daughter’s unarmed African-American boyfriend who extended his hand to her father receives his third mistrial.

bet.com

Essentially, dad dumped daughter at a homeless shelter for sneaking out at night. Daughter started working at the shelter and became friends with the African-American volunteer. She moved in with him.

Dad saw on her Facebook wall she’d done that, so he looked up where the man lived and went to kill him. He claims he was protecting his daughter (after dumping her at a homeless shelter).

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:18:20pm

re: #140 Charles Johnson

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By insane, he means not part of the right wing cult.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:18:54pm

re: #141 Anymouse 🌹

Tulsa cop who shot his daughter’s unarmed African-American boyfriend who extended his hand to her father receives his third mistrial.

bet.com

Essentially, dad dumped daughter at a homeless shelter for sneaking out at night. Daughter started working at the shelter and became friends with the African-American volunteer. She moved in with him.

Dad saw on her Facebook wall she’d done that, so he looked up where the man lived and went to kill him. He claims he was protecting his daughter (after dumping her at a homeless shelter).

Just read about this. Awful.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:19:10pm

I think that when Trump supporters pass away they should receive a dignified burial.

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ObserverArt  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:20:14pm

re: #136 FormerDirtDart

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Damn.

They are also being looked at for their dispersal of the protesters at Rob Portman’s office at the Federal Building here in Columbus just the other day.

They just fired one cop for using excessive force.

I mentioned the other day, we have a new woman police chief. It does seem she has at the very least created an atmosphere for some of this, because the police force got their acts together for a few years because they had their issues in the 70s.

From the mid 80s up to maybe 2012 they had their problems, but they were trying.

This is getting nuts.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:21:50pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

Just read about this. Awful.

What seems to be most awful about this is the facts don’t seem to be in dispute. It seems you can’t get a jury in Oklahoma to convict a white cop for shooting an unarmed black man.

The article at BET notes the jury vote was 6-6, but it was unclear if it was six votes for murder and six for manslaughter, or six for murder and six for acquittal.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:23:20pm

re: #140 Charles Johnson

Oh Charles, you need to go to the hospital, because you’ve been *burned* bro!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:23:55pm

re: #146 Anymouse 🌹

What seems to be most awful about this is the facts don’t seem to be in dispute. It seems you can’t get a jury in Oklahoma to convict a white cop for shooting an unarmed black man.

The article at BET notes the jury vote was 6-6, but it was unclear if it was six votes for murder and six for manslaughter, or six for murder and six for acquittal.

Exactly. It’s like something out of Jim Crow. I feel so for the family of the young man killed.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:24:42pm

re: #147 teleskiguy

Oh Charles, you need to go to the hospital, because you’ve been *burned* bro!

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I’m sure Charles is just crushed by this guy’s cutting wit.//

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MsJ  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:25:04pm

re: #145 ObserverArt

Damn.

They are also being looked at for their dispersal of the protesters at Rob Portman’s office at the Federal Building here in Columbus just the other day.

They just fired one cop for using excessive force.

I mentioned the other day, we have a new woman police chief. It does seem she has at the very least created an atmosphere for some of this, because the police force got their acts together for a few years because they had their issues in the 70s.

From the mid 80s up to maybe 2012 they had their problems, but they were trying.

This is getting nuts.

No one needs to try anything in Trump world. He wants police to be the only arbiter. He wants a police state.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:25:46pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:26:57pm

Notorious liberal magazine Business Insider has a damning op-ed about the Don Jr. story.

businessinsider.com

(more at the link):

Maybe Natalia Veselnitskaya really did just waste everybody’s time.

But the people telling us that nothing came of the meeting are people who were in the meeting and would have reason to want us to believe that nothing came of the meeting. And they’re also lying liars who have been lying about all sorts of stuff, including, for months, whether there were contacts between the Trump campaign and agents of the Russian government.

Donald Trump Jr.’s story about why he took the meeting makes no sense. Tuesday night on “Hannity,” he repeatedly said he took it as “a courtesy” to “an acquaintance.” Was Trump Jr. routinely pulling Paul Manafort (the campaign chairman at the time) and Jared Kushner (Trump’s son-in-law, whose time is actually valuable) into meetings with unknown people with information of unknown value to provide courtesies to acquaintances? If so, he must have been extremely annoying to work with.

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Unabogie  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:27:34pm
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Unabogie  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:28:24pm

Too harsh? I’m not feeling charitable today.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:29:13pm

re: #154 Unabogie

Too harsh? I’m not feeling charitable today.

Not at all.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:29:46pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:31:08pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:33:01pm

re: #130 Anymouse 🌹

It’s tough enough to get states to agree to restore voting rights after discharging a Felony conviction, so you’re correct here - the idea of universal suffrage for all adult American citizens is likely a non-starter.

Odd this should come up. One of our local pastors has made tremendous progress in rights restoration.

al.com

(Actually, it’s not ‘restoration’, since his suits have established that many Alabama felons never lost their rights at all. The old constitution was tailored for White felons, on the assumption that AA citizens weren’t going to get to vote at all.)

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:33:41pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:34:03pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:35:52pm

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

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I don’t give a shit that Manchin is a Democrat he’s a West Virginia conservative and has been working to cover this whole thing up.

That’s why I’m a bit confused as to why Democrats bother voting for him. He’s not one of us. He’d fit in with Republicans very well. I wonder how often he votes in lockstep with them.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:36:44pm

Sorry if this has been posted h/t to Eric Garland (same with Michelle Obama’s Birthday tribute above). Someone needs to teach that guy how to use utensils:

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:39:11pm
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nowherenorth2  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:40:19pm

So…kid rocks political site asks are you scared yet….

I am scared that people will vote him into senate amd think he has their best interest. Just my god…

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Myron Falwell  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:42:06pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:43:12pm

re: #163 FormerDirtDart

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What’s her point? D.C. is a vibrant, diverse and multicultural city.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:43:58pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:44:39pm

re: #164 nowherenorth2

So…kid rocks political site asks are you scared yet….

I am scared that people will vote him into senate amd think he has their best interest. Just my god…

“Are you scared yet?” is quite a unique political motto.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:45:18pm

re: #162 Barefoot Grin

Watching this video and the interview with Pat Robertson, I’ve realized how shallow Trump is. He’s impressed by rich and powerful men, so he tells people these are the richest men in Russia. He’s met 19 national leaders and he has to say how all of them get along with him just great. He only cares about superficial things, and how these other people somehow raise his own status (at least in his own mind).

It’s like a teenager swooning over meeting a famous pop star.

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MsJ  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:45:38pm

re: #166 Patricia Kayden

What’s her point? D.C. is a vibrant, diverse and multicultural city.

Icky Mooslims. ISIS women. Fear and loathing. The usual Fox bullshit.

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EPR-radar  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:45:43pm

re: #89 MsJ

And if Trump thinks that the US has any chance of getting there Olympics he’s fucking insane (I know, I know). Here’s turned away the robotics team. Various sports teams.

Can you say not a snowballs chance in hell?

The IOC is one of the most corrupt groups worldwide. tr*mp will be a crook in his own element in dealing with their requests for bribes, if he wants to take the time.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:46:30pm

what in the utter fuck

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wheat-dogg  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:46:43pm

re: #166 Patricia Kayden

What’s her point? D.C. is a vibrant, diverse and multicultural city.

There are embassies there, too.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:46:53pm

re: #169 wheat-dogg

Watching this video and the interview with Pat Robertson, I’ve realized how shallow Trump is. He’s impressed by rich and powerful men, so he tells people these are the richest men in Russia. He’s met 19 national leaders and he has to say how all of them get along with him just great. He only cares about superficial things, and how these other people somehow raise his own status (at least in his own mind).

It’s like a teenager swooning over meeting a famous pop star.

He really is mediocre.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:47:29pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:48:18pm

re: #152 Anymouse 🌹

Notorious liberal magazine Business Insider has a damning op-ed about the Don Jr. story.

businessinsider.com

(more at the link):

Anyone who believes that “nothing came of the meeting” between Donny Jr and Russian operatives is beyond naive. Trump and his ilk have given us no reason to believe anything they say.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:48:35pm

Bruce Scapier comes up with the coolest car porn for Streamline Moderne (Bugatti Type 57 Gangloff roadster, should probably be called the Bat-gatti):

Facebook Post

Front view from Ultimate Garage


Variation on the same theme: 1939 Bugatti Type 57C Vanvooren Cabriolet, once owned by the Shah of Iran:
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Decatur Deb  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:50:07pm

re: #170 MsJ

Icky Mooslims. ISIS women. Fear and loathing. The usual Fox bullshit.

Walking about, alone? She’s a bit of a strumpet compared to a cloistered Carmelite nun.

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MsJ  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:50:26pm

re: #174 Barefoot Grin

He really is mediocre.

Mediocre elevates him, IMHO.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:51:09pm

re: #172 The Vicious Babushka

what in the utter fuck

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The Nation’s publisher/editor Katrina vanden Heuvel and her husband NYU professor Stephen Cohen have long been pushing for a thaw in US/Russian relations. They are more than willing to overlook Putin’s behavior; rather, they think that America can tame him with kindness.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:51:12pm

re: #174 Barefoot Grin

He really is mediocre.

Definitely not a deep thinker. I wonder who wrote his term papers in college.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:51:45pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:51:45pm

re: #170 MsJ

Icky Mooslims. ISIS women. Fear and loathing. The usual Fox bullshit.

Laura’s nonsense is why so many Muslims and other minorities have been verbally and physically assaulted since Trump stepped into the spotlight. She’s a disgusting human being.

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lawhawk  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:52:00pm

re: #174 Barefoot Grin

All well known and well documented before he ran for office too. He’s superficial and vain and ignorant about how anything outside his real estate empire actually works.

That’s why all he and his admin do is post empty platitudes about everything.

And that’s also why Trump regurgitates Fox and Friends incessantly (that is when not touting Alex Jones crap). He is reactionary so that he doesn’t know anything or know any better about anything.

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MsJ  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:52:23pm

re: #181 wheat-dogg

Definitely not a deep thinker. I wonder who wrote his term papers in college.

Someone he probably stiffed.

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freetoken  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:53:04pm

re: #184 lawhawk

All well known and well documented before he ran for office too. He’s superficial and vain and ignorant about how anything outside his real estate empire actually works.

And his fans love him for that.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:53:10pm

re: #180 Barefoot Grin

The Nation’s publisher/editor Katrina vanden Heuvel and her husband NYU professor Stephen Cohen have long been pushing for a thaw in US/Russian relations. They are more than willing to overlook Putin’s behavior; rather, they think that America can tame him with kindness.

They are delusional.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:53:46pm

re: #172 The Vicious Babushka

what in the utter fuck

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Sergey can expand more on this but The Nation’s apologized for Putin many a time.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:53:52pm

re: #180 Barefoot Grin

The Nation’s publisher/editor Katrina vanden Heuvel and her husband NYU professor Stephen Cohen have long been pushing for a thaw in US/Russian relations. They are more than willing to overlook Putin’s behavior; rather, they think that America can tame him with kindness.

So overlook Putin’s authoritarianism? His support for homophobia? His murder of journalists? His suppression of protests and criticism? Why? Very disappointed in The Nation.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:54:04pm

re: #180 Barefoot Grin

The Nation’s publisher/editor Katrina vanden Heuvel and her husband NYU professor Stephen Cohen have long been pushing for a thaw in US/Russian relations. They are more than willing to overlook Putin’s behavior; rather, they think that America can tame him with kindness.

I was beginning to like The Nation because of their in depth articles on voter suppression. But Ari Berman has moved to Mother Jones now.

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lawhawk  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:54:53pm

I’m sure that a wall would have stopped her… /

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:54:58pm

re: #189 Patricia Kayden

So overlook Putin’s authoritarianism? His support for homophobia? His murder of journalists? His suppression of protests and criticism? Why? Very disappointed in The Nation.

I know.

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MsJ  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:56:08pm

re: #187 wheat-dogg

They are delusional.

Completely. Kumbaya and all that shit. Reality be damned.

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lawhawk  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:56:16pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:57:08pm

re: #194 lawhawk

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I bet they are but you know what, their party nominated this asshole’s father. They defended him against Clinton. Own it.

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freetoken  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:59:03pm

re: #191 lawhawk

AHA! OBAMA DIDN’T DEPORT HER SO THE PLAN TO ENTRAP TRUMP COULD GO FORWARD.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2017 • 5:59:58pm
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BeachDem  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:00:40pm

re: #161 Patricia Kayden

That’s why I’m a bit confused as to why Democrats bother voting for him. He’s not one of us. He’d fit in with Republicans very well. I wonder how often he votes in lockstep with them.

I’m not a big Manchin fan, but here’s a view from 538

Liberals Would Be Foolish To Primary Joe Manchin

He represents West Virginia! FiveThirtyEight’s “Trump Score,” which ignores party and instead compares how often members vote with Trump to how often we would expect them to based on Trump’s share of the vote in their state, shows Manchin as one of the Democrats’ most valuable members. Manchin votes for the Trump position occasionally, but he does so about 33 percentage points less than senators from similarly red states.

In other words, Manchin’s real worth to Democrats is that he’s a Democrat, because a Republican from West Virginia would probably vote GOP far more often. In fact, West Virginia’s other senator, Capito, has voted with Trump 100 percent of the time.

fivethirtyeight.com

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:00:49pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

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Myron Falwell  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:01:18pm

re: #169 wheat-dogg

Trump and the Living Corpse of Pat Robertson are so shallow that they climbed over a glass wall to see what was on the other side.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:03:49pm
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MsJ  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:04:45pm

re: #198 BeachDem

I’m not a big Manchin fan, but here’s a view from 538

Liberals Would Be Foolish To Primary Joe Manchin

He represents West Virginia! FiveThirtyEight’s “Trump Score,” which ignores party and instead compares how often members vote with Trump to how often we would expect them to based on Trump’s share of the vote in their state, shows Manchin as one of the Democrats’ most valuable members. Manchin votes for the Trump position occasionally, but he does so about 33 percentage points less than senators from similarly red states.

In other words, Manchin’s real worth to Democrats is that he’s a Democrat, because a Republican from West Virginia would probably vote GOP far more often. In fact, West Virginia’s other senator, Capito, has voted with Trump 100 percent of the time.

fivethirtyeight.com

All politics is local.

I’ve been saying that a lot.

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BlueGrl21  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:05:50pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

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Cornyn is one of mine. I’ve called his office and begged them to keep him away from social media more than once. He has no clue how incoherent he sounds.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:06:11pm

re: #202 MsJ

All politics is local.

I’ve been saying that a lot.

Indeed and as much as I dislike him, he would be better than a Republican.

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LastYearsMan  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:06:31pm

To be fair to The Rock, at least Johnson appears to genuinely care about people and works to help them. … So he won’t be winning the Republican nomination any time soon.

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Skip Intro  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:06:37pm

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Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:07:17pm

re: #162 Barefoot Grin

Sorry if this has been posted h/t to Eric Garland (same with Michelle Obama’s Birthday tribute above). Someone needs to teach that guy how to use utensils:

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Credit goes to the evil failing CNN.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:07:37pm

re: #191 lawhawk

WHOA: Looks like Don Jr.’s Russian connection was in the U.S. illegally.

I’m sure that a wall would have stopped her… /

Why did OBAMA lets the Russian spies in???

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:07:58pm

re: #205 LastYearsMan

To be fair to The Rock, at least Johnson appears to genuinely care about people and works to help them. … So he won’t be winning the Republican nomination any time soon.

Yeah. He’s not a bad guy really or a bigot. Just not cut out to be president which is okay since 99.99% of the country isn’t either.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:08:19pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Indeed and as much as I dislike him, he would be better than a Republican.

We need the Manchins just like we need the Bernies. We don’t have votes to burn.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:08:20pm

re: #206 Skip Intro

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MsJ  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:09:26pm

re: #208 FormerDirtDart

Why did OBAMA lets the Russian spies in???

You jest. That’s the talking point du jour.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:09:54pm
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Myron Falwell  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:10:03pm

If only it were this simple

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Myron Falwell  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:12:23pm

re: #206 Skip Intro

Clippy must now be the admin for Mark “The Gout One” Levin’s Twitter.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:13:41pm

re: #214 Myron Falwell

If only it were this simple

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FFS focus on governing.

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BeachDem  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:15:32pm

re: #202 MsJ

All politics is local.

I’ve been saying that a lot.

As someone who lives in a totally red dominated state, I hear you. I couldn’t believe it—at our Dem county executive committee meeting the other night, one of the more obnoxious Bernie Bros was re-litigating the fucking 2010 governor’s race, saying that because our candidate didn’t endorse gay marriage at the time, he lost all the gay vote and that’s why he lost the election (yeah—I’m sure they ran as fast as they could to vote for Nikki Haley—sigh.)

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:16:02pm

re: #201 The Vicious Babushka

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majii  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:17:03pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

“I know.”

Some persons seems to be able to overlook the wrongdoings of others if there’s something in it for them. I imagine that Saint Ronnie would rollover over in his grave if he could witness the way many on the Right have rolled over/are rolling over for Putin.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:18:11pm

re: #217 BeachDem

As someone who lives in a totally red dominated state, I hear you. I couldn’t believe it—at our Dem county executive committee meeting the other night, one of the more obnoxious Bernie Bros was re-litigating the fucking 2010 governor’s race, saying that because our candidate didn’t endorse gay marriage at the time, he lost all the gay vote and that’s why he lost the election (yeah—I’m sure they ran as fast as they could to vote for Nikki Haley—sigh.)

And of course, if you point out something like Sanders’ own vote and sponsor of environmentally racist legislation and his NRA record and and his immigration record, you get HE WAS VOTING FOR HIS STATE. I’m just tired of the Bros double standard bs. Obviously we should have standards but the double standards Sanders got and continues to get away with piss me off.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:18:47pm

re: #219 majii

“I know.”

Some persons seems to be able to overlook the wrongdoings of others if there’s something in it for them. I imagine that Saint Ronnie would rollover over in his grave if he could witness the way many on the Right have rolled over/are rolling over for Putin.

Well we’re talking about The Nation here but yep.

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MsJ  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:19:17pm

re: #217 BeachDem

As someone who lives in a totally red dominated state, I hear you. I couldn’t believe it—at our Dem county executive committee meeting the other night, one of the more obnoxious Bernie Bros was re-litigating the fucking 2010 governor’s race, saying that because our candidate didn’t endorse gay marriage at the time, he lost all the gay vote and that’s why he lost the election (yeah—I’m sure they ran as fast as they could to vote for Nikki Haley—sigh.)

Can’t see the forest for the trees.

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MsJ  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:21:28pm

re: #219 majii

“I know.”

Some persons seems to be able to overlook the wrongdoings of others if there’s something in it for them. I imagine that Saint Ronnie would rollover over in his grave if he could witness the way many on the Right have rolled over/are rolling over for Putin.

St. Ronnie would never make it in today’s Republican party. He would be a dirty liberal hippy from California.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:21:54pm

I really hate how the Bros want to make everything a litmus test of the 2016 primary.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:22:12pm

re: #223 MsJ

St. Ronnie would never make it in today’s Republican party. He would be a dirty liberal hippy from California.

With too few wives.

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BeachDem  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:22:17pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

And of course, if you point out something like Sanders’ own vote and sponsor of environmentally racist legislation and his NRA record and and his immigration record, you get HE WAS VOTING FOR HIS STATE. I’m just tired of the Bros double standard bs. Obviously we should have standards but the double standards Sanders got and continues to get away with piss me off.

Most of the bros I know scoff at “identity” politics, unless, of course, it infringes on their particular identity. Yes, in a world of unicorns and rainbows, having totally liberal (I prefer that word to the new buzz on progressive) candidates in every office would be lovely, but it ain’t gonna happen in south by dog carolina (or lots of other places.) Getting any Dem in office is an almost insurmountable challenge, and if we can get one who votes with us 70-80-90% of the time, I’ll take it over a Republican who will vote with us ZERO percent of the time. I don’t know why that is so hard for Berners to comprehend.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:23:28pm

re: #223 MsJ

St. Ronnie would never make it in today’s Republican party. He would be a dirty liberal hippy from California.

Reagan would sell out whatever principles he claimed to hold if it meant he could get Robert Bork on the Supreme Court. In a heartbeat.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:25:15pm

I earlier stated that Katrina vanden Heuvel and her husband are soft on Russia and Putin. I stand by that based on a couple of lectures at the Aspen series and elsewhere that I was linked to by an old friend who does business in Russia. He specifically sent them to show that there was another way besides antagonizing Putin.

But that is my sole source. If you are a Nation fan, don’t give up based on my comments for sure.

I’ll look for the links.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:26:39pm
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Eventual Carrion  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:27:17pm

Firefly’s are mother natures laser pointers for my cat. She sits on the porch at this time of night and follows every flash, this way and that, in the bushes along the skirting of the porch.

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majii  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:27:45pm

re: #214 Myron Falwell

“Sanders: I could still run for president in 2020”

Yes, he could, but I’m hoping that if he decides to throw his hat into the ring, Perez won’t permit him to run on the Democratic Party ticket, and he’ll be forced to run as an Independent. He was allowed to run as a Dem in 2016 and wasted no time leaving the party after he didn’t win the nomination. I used to like Sanders—-until he began to demonstrate how toxic he is to the Democratic Party. Others may not agree, but I now see Sanders as a divisive, self-serving politician and a user, and as long as the Democratic Party puts up with his and his supporters BS, they won’t get one cent from me. The Democratic Party keeps sending me snail mail asking for contributions, and I keep putting it into the nearest trash can. I donate to individual Democratic politicians, but not to the Democratic Party.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:27:49pm

re: #225 Decatur Deb

With too few wives.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:29:11pm

re: #231 majii

“Sanders: I could still run for president in 2020”

Yes, he could, but I’m hoping that if he decides to throw his hat into the ring, Perez won’t permit him to run on the Democratic Party ticket, and he’ll be forced to run as an Independent. He was allowed to run as a Dem in 2016 and wasted no time leaving the party after he didn’t win the nomination. I used to like Sanders—-until he began to demonstrate how toxic he is to the Democratic Party. Others may not agree, but I now see Sanders as a divisive, self-serving politician and a user, and as long as the Democratic Party puts up with his and his supporters BS, they won’t get one cent from me. The Democratic Party keeps sending me snail mail asking for contributions, and I keep putting it into the nearest trash can. I donate to individual Democratic politicians, but not to the Democratic Party.

We have the same opinion. I used to be a Sanders admirer too. Lost a lot of respect for him for how he handled 2016 and honestly learning about him in general. Honestly, I’d love to see him knocked from the left just so he can see what ti’s like and believe it or not, there are things you can attack him from the left on that aren’t just guns.

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BeachDem  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:29:23pm

re: #226 BeachDem

Most of the bros I know scoff at “identity” politics, unless, of course, it infringes on their particular identity. Yes, in a world of unicorns and rainbows, having totally liberal (I prefer that word to the new buzz on progressive) candidates in every office would be lovely, but it ain’t gonna happen in south by dog carolina (or lots of other places.) Getting any Dem in office is an almost insurmountable challenge, and if we can get one who votes with us 70-80-90% of the time, I’ll take it over a Republican who will vote with us ZERO percent of the time. I don’t know why that is so hard for Berners to comprehend.

Adding to my comment—I don’t have a problem with individual voters having their own personal litmus tests as far as going all in on a candidate—i.e. giving money, working on campaigns. I know a few here who I will not give money or time to because of issues I really disagree with them on. But I don’t bad-mouth them and run them down. But I’ll still vote for a Democrat over a Republican 99.9% of the time.*

*the .1% relates to rat-fucking shenanigans, when non-Dems somehow get in the race as Dems. That has happened here not that long ago.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:29:28pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:30:48pm

re: #235 Charles Johnson

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I imagine there’s a lot more of this behind closed doors than we know. But the Breitbrats gotta put on a pretty face for Steve..

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:30:58pm

re: #219 majii

I dunno.

This is a different Russia, with regard to the one criterion that mattered: Godless Communism. The only hangover issue from that era is the predominance of Soviet figures in the new government, which crops up on occasion.

That the new Russia is social conservative, driven by conspiracy logic, and governed largely by an oligarchic cadre for an oligarchic cadre…these are not negatives.

The only obstacle is that in reformulating itself, the Russian Federation has adopted a new version of a Russian cultural trope (the unappreciated hero “protecting” the West while being scorned by its decadent, weak neighbors* ) that includes anti-American puffery.

*see Russia: the Story of War by Gregory Carleton for a great accounting of how Russia has a vision of itself that is cultural, and thus has been appropriated by each political movement—Tsarist, Communist, Kleptocracy—to justify skullduggery and cruelty.

But that’s fading, because the new US “conservative” paradigm has increasingly adopted a similar story of how they’re both victims and heroes, and deserve deference in nonspecific ways (that amount to “we get to do what we want, and tell you what you’re allowed to do.).

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:35:59pm

Trump/Russia is goddamn important. Healthcare is goddamn important. But we had better not lose sight of Trump’s voter fraud commission that is the first national attempt to suppress the vote. He keeps adding vote-suppression assholes to the commission. It needs to be stopped. It is based on real fake news.

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Kragar  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:36:13pm
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Frenchy  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:36:50pm

Bernie has done as much to ratfuck the US and put us in the position we’re now in as anyone, including Putin. Can he please just go the fuck away now?

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jaunte  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:38:25pm

Russian money flowing into U.S. elections.

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jaunte  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:38:56pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:41:30pm

re: #242 jaunte

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Belafon  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:45:10pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

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No, Peta, a monkey cannot own a copyright.

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DodgerFan1988  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:45:27pm

James Woods needs to go back to the landfills from which he came.

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William Lewis  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:48:59pm

re: #245 DodgerFan1988

James Woods needs to go back to the landfills from which he came.

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Nah, Jimmy, he won’t grow up to be a hate-filled thug like you.

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Belafon  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:49:28pm

re: #245 DodgerFan1988

James Woods needs to go back to the landfills from which he came.

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James is afraid the kid will grow up to make a major movie and won’t ask him to be in it.

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nowherenorth2  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:49:34pm

re: #245 DodgerFan1988

Dudes a waste. Such a waste.

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The Spite House  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:51:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:52:38pm

re: #245 DodgerFan1988

James Woods needs to go back to the landfills from which he came.

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And this is why right wingers deserve to be called deplorable.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:53:10pm

re: #249 The Spite House

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I like how Alex Jones prorfesses to be “anti” elite but loves sucking off Trump and his friends.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:53:16pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:53:48pm

Woods is a talented actor. It is too he’s a raging dick politically.

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William Lewis  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:55:17pm

re: #219 majii

“I know.”

Some persons seems to be able to overlook the wrongdoings of others if there’s something in it for them. I imagine that Saint Ronnie would rollover over in his grave if he could witness the way many on the Right have rolled over/are rolling over for Putin.

All Putin would need to do for St Ronnie to fall in love is pretend he’s a Christian the way Gorbachev did. Gorby played Ronnie like a fiddle & Putin would be just as good, if not better at it. Ronnie, being as mentally gone as he was by then, would have smiled and done as he was told to do.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:56:31pm

re: #254 William Lewis

All Putin would need to do for St Ronnie to fall in love is pretend he’s a Christian the way Gorbachev did. Gorby played Ronnie like a fiddle & Putin would be just as good, if not better at it. Ronnie, being as mentally gone as he was by then, would have smiled and done as he was told to do.

Putin and Ronnie haev similiar economic beleifs than Ronnie and Gorby did too.

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Kragar  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:57:18pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2017 • 6:58:57pm

James Woods wasn’t acting in Ghosts of Mississippi. He really is a racist bigoted piece of shit, probably loved the idea of playing Medgar Evers’ assassin.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:02:51pm

re: #157 Charles Johnson

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Myron Falwell  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:04:07pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

Woods is a talented actor. It is too he’s a raging dick politically.

People remember O. J. Simpson for getting away with a double murder far, far more than they remember him for whatever degree of comedic timing he possessed in the Naked Gun series.

James Woods is a loathsome waste of human tissue, and that precedes everything.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:04:45pm

re: #259 Myron Falwell

People remember O. J. Simpson for getting away with a double murder far, far more than they remember him for whatever degree of comedic timing he possessed in the Naked Gun series.

James Woods is a loathsome waste of human tissue, and that precedes everything.

So true.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:09:09pm
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BeachDem  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:10:29pm

re: #261 The Vicious Babushka

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That DeVos comment LITERALLY made my jaw drop.

I agree, she is what garbage would turn its nose up at, proclaiming it utter garbage.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:10:54pm

Dear Betsy: raping a drunk person while you are drunk is still rape.

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BeachDem  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:13:29pm

re: #263 The Vicious Babushka

Dear Betsy: raping a drunk person while you are drunk is still rape.

And her buddy, Candice Jackson is the rancid cherry on top of Betsy’s garbage pile.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:13:44pm

re: #261 The Vicious Babushka

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Being drunk is no excuse. I was around many drunk young women in college and I was drunk too. Still knew no meant no.

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Kragar  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:14:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:16:16pm

Jeffrey Dahmer is relieved to know being drunk made his rapes and murders okay according to Betsy Wetsy.

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Skip Intro  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:16:17pm

Reality check time again.

“Donald Trump Jr.’s appearance on Fox News’ “Hannity” scored strong ratings for the cable news network on Tuesday night.

2.9 million viewers tuned in to watch Trump Jr. discuss his meeting with a Russian lawyer last year, with 664,000 of those falling in the key adults 25-54 demographic, making it the most-watched cable news show of the night in total viewers. “Hannity” also topped the 10 p.m. timeslot in both measures, beating out both MSNBC’s “Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell” (2.34 million, 576,000) and CNN’s “CNN Tonight” (1.13 million, 369,000). Additionally, the program was up 20% in total viewers and up 41% in the 25-54 demographic versus the same time last year.”

variety.com

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Belafon  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:19:57pm

re: #264 BeachDem

And her buddy, Candice Jackson is the rancid cherry on top of Betsy’s garbage pile.

Skimming through the article: Jackson was raped when she was younger.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:21:26pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

Woods is a talented actor. It is too he’s a raging dick politically.

I don’t expect political sensibility to seamlessly match artistic merit. But then I don’t understand why anyone does that. I watch Sean Penn in a performance. I can love the film. Watch him at the DNC or a fundraiser? Well… No.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:24:18pm

re: #270 Unshaken Defiance

I don’t expect political sensibility to seamlessly match artistic merit. But then I don’t understand why anyone does that. I watch Sean Penn in a performance. I can love the film. Watch him at the DNC or a fundraiser? Well… No.

Yeah I’ve never refused to see a movie over an actors politics. In fact, my favorite movie has two prominent conservative actors in it.

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bratwurst  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:29:02pm

I fucking hate this guy.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:30:54pm

re: #272 bratwurst

I fucking hate this guy.

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Me too. He’s awful.

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BeachDem  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:31:09pm

re: #269 Belafon

Skimming through the article: Jackson was raped when she was younger.

So she claims, but she doesn’t believe other women’s stories. Actually, the quote in that tweet is from Jackson, not DeVos.

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scottslemmons  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:31:48pm

re: #262 BeachDem

That DeVos comment LITERALLY made my jaw drop.

I agree, she is what garbage would turn its nose up at, proclaiming it utter garbage.

It’s all part of the DeVos agenda. Defund education. Shut down schools. Push anti-science policies. Promote church-based private schools. Tell universities to quit punishing rapists so women will stop going to college.

Looking forward to the day DeVos dies from an infestation of carnivorous scarab beetles.

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TedStriker  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:33:17pm

re: #259 Myron Falwell

People remember O. J. Simpson for getting away with a double murder far, far more than they remember him for whatever degree of comedic timing he possessed in the Naked Gun series.

James Woods is a loathsome waste of human tissue, and that precedes everything.

Thing is, OJ was/is a decent enough actor; I still do think his performance as the Glass Tower’s everyman security chief in The Towering Inferno (his first big role after his NFL career, IIRC) as a key part of the movie’s ensemble cast, was pretty good.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:33:43pm

re: #249 The Spite House

Uchi is a popular (and quite pricey) sushi place in Austin that he frequents, for those of you wondering.

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BeachDem  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:35:04pm

OK—I’m going back to Unbreakable Kimmy Shmidt. (You gotta love a show where Carole Kane plays a landlord who’s dating Robert Durst.)

Later.

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jaunte  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:36:03pm

re: #277 GlutenFreeJesus

Predatory elitist warns his marks about predatory elites.

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jaunte  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:37:16pm

Jones has a net worth over $5 million.

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Weaselone  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:37:27pm

re: #268 Skip Intro

I’m less surprised by Hannity pulling those numbers than I am by MSNBC still doing so well in that time slot.

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jaunte  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:37:49pm

He’s no Hannity, but still.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:38:37pm

re: #268 Skip Intro

Reality check time again.

“Donald Trump Jr.’s appearance on Fox News’ “Hannity” scored strong ratings for the cable news network on Tuesday night.

2.9 million viewers tuned in to watch Trump Jr. discuss his meeting with a Russian lawyer last year, with 664,000 of those falling in the key adults 25-54 demographic, making it the most-watched cable news show of the night in total viewers. “Hannity” also topped the 10 p.m. timeslot in both measures, beating out both MSNBC’s “Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell” (2.34 million, 576,000) and CNN’s “CNN Tonight” (1.13 million, 369,000). Additionally, the program was up 20% in total viewers and up 41% in the 25-54 demographic versus the same time last year.”

variety.com

I want the ratings for tonight’s show, when Hannity goes back to his usual pablum that’s hemorrhaged viewers over the past year.

Besides, most people wanted to view the train wreck. And Don Jr.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:41:08pm
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Myron Falwell  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:42:45pm

re: #275 scottslemmons

It’s all part of the DeVos agenda. Defund education. Shut down schools. Push anti-science policies. Promote church-based private schools. Tell universities to quit punishing rapists so women will stop going to college.

Looking forward to the day DeVos dies from an infestation of carnivorous scarab beetles.

DeVos hasn’t set foot in a single public school since she got (deservedly) hounded out of one back in April. That she’s deeply hated and despised as much as she is probably is the lone saving grace.

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jaunte  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:44:05pm

re: #284 teleskiguy

Is this a new house flipping couple on HGTV?

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:48:12pm

re: #286 jaunte

Flip houses for Jesus!™

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:54:46pm

re: #284 teleskiguy

(Family guy reference)

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majii  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:00:14pm

re: #257 teleskiguy

“James Woods wasn’t acting in Ghosts of Mississippi.”

His buddy Clint Eastwood is holding casting calls for extras for a movie he’s filming here in Middle GA. I read the article a couple hours ago and told my four—legged baby Penelope Penny that there’s no way I’d help Eastwood to do sh*t. “He who talked to an empty chair” is also a racist bigoted POS. I never understand persons like Woods. Their tendency to interfere in matters that don’t impact them irks me to no end. They don’t have to live with LGBTQ persons, but they never stop thinking of new ways to treat them like 4th Class citizens. What is wrong with them? I wish someone would give me a bit of insight into why they’re so d*mn nosy when they have little to no contact with LGBTQ citizens, POC, atheists, etc.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:15:39pm

OT and just jumping into the thread: my sister and BIL are at Red Rocks tonight seeing Ween, VIP style. I am absolutely eating my heart out, as I have been a fan for 20+ years and my family, who don’t really see Ween as the musical forte that I do, are seeing them tonight at MF RED ROCKS. RED ROCKS.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:17:41pm

re: #290 Flying Squirrel Girl

OT and just jumping into the thread: my sister and BIL are at Red Rocks tonight seeing Ween, VIP style. I am absolutely eating my heart out, as I have been a fan for 20+ years and my family, who don’t really see Ween as the musical forte that I do, are seeing them tonight at MF RED ROCKS. RED ROCKS.

The show sold out so goddamn quickly. I wish I was there, been a disciple of the Boognish since high school (a long ass time in rock ‘n’ roll time).

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:36:20pm

re: #289 majii

“James Woods wasn’t acting in Ghosts of Mississippi.”

Their tendency to interfere in matters that don’t impact them irks me to no end. They don’t have to live with LGBTQ persons, but they never stop thinking of new ways to treat them like 4th Class citizens. What is wrong with them? I wish someone would give me a bit of insight into why they’re so d*mn nosy when they have little to no contact with LGBTQ citizens, POC, atheists, etc.

Truth lives here.


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