Todd Rundgren: “Deaf Ears,” With Trent Reznor & Atticus Ross

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Todd Rundgren “Deaf Ears” with Trent Reznor & Atticus Ross
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• White Knight showcases Rundgren’s incredibly diverse range of styles from soulful art rock to ambient synth pop and includes performances from Rundgren’s equally diverse musical companions such as Trent Reznor, Donald Fagen (of Steely Dan), Joe Walsh (of The Eagles), Daryl Hall, Dam Funk, Joe Satriani, Robyn and more!

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:49:37pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:51:21pm
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jaunte  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:52:05pm
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jaunte  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:52:30pm

History can’t stop rhyming!

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Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:53:20pm
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jaunte  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:54:10pm
17. What’s the big deal about finding out what your opposition is up too?

Even in Nixon’s day, spelling was a challenge.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:55:03pm

Mark Zuckerberg, trying out the whole “being human” thing in the midwest, again.

Facebook Post

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Skip Intro  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:55:44pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

I expect Trump to congratulate France for inventing French fries.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:55:47pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:56:21pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:57:22pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

Mark Zuckerberg, trying out the whole “being human” thing in the midwest, again.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:57:22pm
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jaunte  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:57:33pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

I set a goal to only eat meat that I killed and helped butcher myself.

Just like everyone not a billionaire or a rancher can do.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:57:36pm

re: #3 jaunte

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RWNJs will still invoke Chappaquiddick once in a while, sort of breaks up the Benghazi and keeps them interested.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:58:11pm
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jaunte  Jul 12, 2017 • 7:58:40pm

re: #14 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Who says conservatives can’t learn Arabic or First Nations names.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:00:20pm

I wish I was at this show! Tickets sold out in less than an hour.

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JordanRules  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:02:34pm

re: #15 goddamnedfrank

I appreciate your assistance! This whole bootstrap thing the GOPers push keeps me exhausted.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:02:43pm

The Chappaquiddick incident happened July 18, 1969; just two days before the Apollo 11 Moon landing. The Tate LaBianca murders were just 6 weeks later, and Woodstock a week and half after that. The world really seemed to be spinning out of control that summer, somewhat as it does this summer.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:04:40pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

I hate prop comics
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:04:53pm

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:07:47pm

Good Dog, it was real!!!

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:11:07pm

When is Kellyanne Conway bringing out the big guns in her act?

Giphy

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jaunte  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:13:10pm
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jaunte  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:20:16pm

Under Republican rule, Texas is beginning to dump its older population.

“…The decision to shutter the facility comes less than three months after the Fort Worth-based capital investment firm E Capital Partners acquired the mortgages on the property from HUD, deed records show.”
star-telegram.com

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:25:45pm

re: #17 teleskiguy

My sister and BIL are at Red Rocks tonight seeing Ween, VIP style. I am absolutely eating my heart out, as I have been a fan for 20+ years and my family, who don’t really see Ween as the musical forte that I do, are seeing them tonight at MF RED ROCKS.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:27:17pm

re: #26 Flying Squirrel Girl

-re-post from downstairs-

The show sold out so goddamn quickly. I wish I was there, been a disciple of the Boognish since high school (a long ass time in rock ‘n’ roll time).

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:32:40pm

re: #27 teleskiguy

Me too! The first show I saw was on the Pure Guava tour, when it was Gene and Dean and a beatbox. My BIL just tested me the following, “They’re tight for grandpas.”

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:35:22pm
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Interesting Times  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:35:56pm

re: #22 FormerDirtDart

The replies to that tweet are entertaining as well:

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:37:34pm

re: #28 Flying Squirrel Girl

I saw them at Red Rocks when they released La Cucaracha. They played like 30 songs, but I could tell that Gener just wasn’t into it, he’d saunter behind the band and sit down on Stage Rock and smoke for whole songs, did that more than a few times. During their hiatus Aaron came to the little mountain town next to where I live and played a free show in the park, he mostly did Billy Joel covers.

Have you heard Gener’s Ween set he did with Umphrey’s McGee at Summercamp? That’s what got the ball rolling, IMHO, for the band to get back together, that was the most fun the man had playing music in years, you could tell in the performance.

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BeachDem  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:42:14pm

re: #13 jaunte

I set a goal to only eat meat that I killed and helped butcher myself.

Just like everyone not a billionaire or a rancher can do.

It must be difficult to butcher oneself, unless one saves the hands for last.

(I’ll show myself out)

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:50:38pm

re: #25 jaunte

Under Republican rule, Texas is beginning to dump its older population.

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“…The decision to shutter the facility comes less than three months after the Fort Worth-based capital investment firm E Capital Partners acquired the mortgages on the property from HUD, deed records show.”
star-telegram.com

I got out of Texas partly because the inmates have taken over the asylum under Reverend Howlin’ Mad Abbott, so politically this doesn’t surprise me.

I have to say, though, that I didn’t think anybody even lived in that building. I passed it many times going to Penderey’s spices and “decrepitude” was the vibe. In my mind it was the biggest building on the westernmost end of the east-to-west-running Shit Belt between 20 and 30.

(As opposed to the OTHER Shit Belt, which runs N-S in Arlington between Cooper and 360)

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:51:31pm

re: #21 GlutenFreeJesus

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Dumb dumb didn’t read where she talked about her clients.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:52:49pm

Ween when they were a two-piece with a DAT rhythm section.

Marble Tulip Juicy Tree

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:53:41pm
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Flying Squirrel Girl  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:54:52pm

re: #31 teleskiguy

I haven’t heard it, but will definitely look for it! I saw Ween, Galactic and Tenacious D at Red Rocks a looong time ago (2001, 2002?) Tenacious D made me laugh so hard my face hurt.

I’ve seen Ween in a lot of places. One of my favorites was in Vail at the 8150 in 1999ish. When they played Voodoo Lady the whole place started jumping, and all the mike stands on stage started swaying, and you could see all the band members making eye contact like WTF?

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Jul 12, 2017 • 8:59:01pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

Holy shit that’s pure Ween right there. Haven’t heard that song in ages. Freaking awesome.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:00:00pm

re: #37 Flying Squirrel Girl

Oh you’re bringing back memories. I played in a punk band at 8150, we opened for Guttermouth. In 1999. No shit! I grew up in that valley, still live here.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:02:58pm

re: #39 teleskiguy

Oh you’re bringing back memories. I played in a punk band at 8150, we opened for Guttermouth. In 1999. No shit! I grew up in that valley, still live here.

That place was built on top of a parking garage, and was well known for it’s bouncing floor. That place is long gone. :(

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:04:23pm

re: #37 Flying Squirrel Girl

I haven’t heard it, but will definitely look for it!

UMPHREY’S MCGEE 05.22.2015 “SUMMER CAMP MUSIC FESTIVAL” THREE SISTERS PARK, CHILLICOTHE, IL, USA

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:06:12pm

re: #40 teleskiguy

Heh. Me and my friends had tickets, but my sister didn’t. She figured she’d be able to find a ticket when we got there but it was sold out. She spent the evening in the car in that parking garage under the bouncy floor!

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:08:58pm

re: #20 FormerDirtDart

Would be nice if the image showed here…

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BeachDem  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:09:49pm

Of all the terrible yam mouthpieces (and they are legion) why does anyone stoop to having Gorka on? He’s a proven liar and totally worthless. So of course, yesterday on MSNBC and today on CNN.

(Jon Hamm as apocalyptic preacher Richard Wayne Gary Wayne, who kept girls in a bunker for 15 years on Kimmy Schmidt, makes more sense.)

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Kragar  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:11:49pm
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JordanRules  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:12:59pm
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MsJ  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:18:09pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

UMPHREY’S MCGEE 05.22.2015 “SUMMER CAMP MUSIC FESTIVAL” THREE SISTERS PARK, CHILLICOTHE, IL, USA

There’s a Chillicothe in IL? I grew up in IL and spent most of my life there and never knew. I thought it was in OH.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:18:44pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

Flying Squirrel Girl, here’s an audience tape of Gene Ween Meets Godboner. Not the best quality, hey, whaddya want from an audience taper. In fact, from a taper POV, it’s a pretty good recording.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:22:37pm

No collusion - You’re the puppet

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JordanRules  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:23:29pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:23:57pm

re: #47 MsJ

There’s a Chillicothe in IL? I grew up in IL and spent most of my life there and never knew. I thought it was in OH.

Half hour north of Peoria.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:24:24pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:25:24pm

So what’s the deal with this Christopher Wray guy? He sounds ok, but being a Trump nominee is in and of itself a red flag… ???

bbc.com

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freetoken  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:26:49pm

re: #51 teleskiguy

Half hour north of Peoria.

I suspect the settlers came from the county of the same name in Ohio.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:28:02pm
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Belafon  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:28:39pm

Power went out in Rockwall. According to reports, the whole city went dark briefly. My neighborhood was dark for an hour. So, I pulled out my telescope. In addition to seeing Jupiter and Saturn, I found globular cluster M70, and then looked up what that meant. It’s a group of stars in orbit around the Milky Way, about 35K light years from earth.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:30:54pm

Well folks that’s all the online fun I’m allowed to have for today. Play nice and perhaps enjoy the a slice of a multi genre playlist that goes from (alphabetical) from Black Stone Cherry through Mother Love Bone, Radiohead, Sock’s Beard to Within Temptation.

Iframe

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freetoken  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:40:02pm

re: #56 Belafon

So, I pulled out my telescope. In addition to seeing Jupiter and Saturn, I found globular cluster M70, and then looked up what that meant. It’s a group of stars in orbit around the Milky Way, about 35K light years from earth.

It’s a beautiful sight in binoculars. Summer visible in the mid latitudes of the Northern hemisphere, I used to drive up to the mountains with my binos to go star gazing and would appreciate M70 for its grandeur.

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Belafon  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:43:06pm

re: #58 freetoken

It’s a beautiful sight in binoculars. Summer visible in the mid latitudes of the Northern hemisphere, I used to drive up to the mountains with my binos to go star gazing and would appreciate M70 for its grandeur.

Even with the power out here, the rest of the DFW area puts out so much light that all I could really see was a gray glow.

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JordanRules  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:48:19pm

Some of the replies are fun!

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darthstar  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:51:51pm
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darthstar  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:52:14pm

re: #60 JordanRules

Some of the replies are fun!

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That explains his expression.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:53:15pm

I mean, Tiff’s the only adult child not under investigation.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:53:27pm
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JordanRules  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:53:37pm

Well alright now!

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:54:10pm

And for fuck’s sake, someone show Dershowitz how to set up a webcam!

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retired cynic  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:56:07pm

re: #66 Ace-o-aces

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And for fuck’s sake, someone show Dershowitz how to set up a webcam!

Dershowitz says what about First Amendment???

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:56:34pm

re: #63 Ace-o-aces

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I mean, Tiff’s the only adult child not under investigation.

She’s stayed out of the family business. That alone proves she’s the smart one.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:57:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 9:58:17pm

re: #69 FormerDirtDart

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What’s really rad is telling women what to do with their bodies, broski.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 12, 2017 • 10:03:57pm

Wow!
Harvard Faculty Move to Ban Frats and Sororities, Calling Their Effects “Heartbreaking”

Whatever goes on during hazing week (or punch week, or whatever)-followed by heavy underage drinking every other week-may be exiled from Harvard’s premises. This morning, a committee of Harvard faculty members recommended that, starting in 2018, the college forbids incoming students from joining “fraternities, sororities, and similar organizations.”

In a 22-page report on The Harvard Crimson, the committee states that, though the college has already moved to get rid of gender-exclusive student groups, the culture of abuse at USGSOs (“Unrecognized Single-Gender Social Organizations” including fraternities, sororities, and similar “final clubs”) is too engrained to fix.
…..snip…..
The committee was formed after President Faust announced in a letter last year that the college would discourage Greek life by barring members from leading Harvard-recognized organizations, sports teams, and would not receive recommendations from the dean. It now recommends that the school follows examples set by Williams, which outlawed frats in 1962, and Bowdoin, which outlawed frats in 1997 and phased them out with a non-nationally affiliated College House system.

So, it looks like these Greeks too will soon be history.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 10:05:10pm

re: #71 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Wow!
Harvard Faculty Move to Ban Frats and Sororities, Calling Their Effects “Heartbreaking”

So, it looks like these Greeks too will soon be history.

Didn’t know other universities had banned them before. Honestly, I never had a desire to join a frat. Most frat guys seemed like well jackasses.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 12, 2017 • 10:05:43pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 12, 2017 • 10:14:45pm
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retired cynic  Jul 12, 2017 • 10:16:44pm

re: #74 FormerDirtDart

Stoopid Jerks!

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darthstar  Jul 12, 2017 • 10:18:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 10:19:47pm

re: #74 FormerDirtDart

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darthstar  Jul 12, 2017 • 10:22:39pm
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darthstar  Jul 12, 2017 • 10:23:28pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2017 • 10:25:01pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 12, 2017 • 10:25:34pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

Didn’t know other universities had banned them before. Honestly, I never had a desire to join a frat. Most frat guys seemed like well jackasses.

As a poor kid at Cornell, there was no question of me joining a fraternity. They were in disrepute at the time anyway and I never missed them at all.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 10:27:31pm

re: #78 darthstar

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Khrushchev great guy. You’re going to love him. //

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retired cynic  Jul 12, 2017 • 10:27:35pm

re: #81 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

As a poor kid at Cornell, there was no question of me joining a fraternity. They were in disrepute at the time anyway and I never missed them at all.

I couldn’t afford it, either. I did join a musical “fraternity for women” at the U of IL, but we had monthly meetings in a small room, with a “tea” afterwards. Quite staid.

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2017 • 10:28:08pm

My alma mater has no fraternities or sororities. There were cliques, though. You either had a ski pass to Crested Butte or you didn’t.

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darthstar  Jul 12, 2017 • 10:30:37pm

re: #81 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

As a poor kid at Cornell, there was no question of me joining a fraternity. They were in disrepute at the time anyway and I never missed them at all.

I joined a frat…easily added three years to my undergraduate studies.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 12, 2017 • 10:32:00pm

Nite all

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HappyWarrior  Jul 12, 2017 • 10:34:41pm

re: #81 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

As a poor kid at Cornell, there was no question of me joining a fraternity. They were in disrepute at the time anyway and I never missed them at all.

I honestly never had any desire to join one. Maybe they were different when my grandfather, only one of my grandparents with a degree was a young man but the frats of today just seem childish.

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TedStriker  Jul 12, 2017 • 10:55:08pm

re: #85 darthstar

I joined a frat…easily added three years to my undergraduate studies.

Was this you?

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teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2017 • 10:59:24pm

re: #85 darthstar

I joined a frat…easily added three years to my undergraduate studies.

Desire to be a ski bum added nine years to my B.A. Totally worth it. We’re talkin’ deep fuckin’ powder.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 12, 2017 • 11:32:32pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

This new INXS cover band leaves much to be desired.

I thought she was doing a Subterranean Homesick Blues thing for Joe Walsh

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 12, 2017 • 11:37:04pm

re: #19 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The Chappaquiddick incident happened July 18, 1969; just two days before the Apollo 11 Moon landing. The Tate LaBianca murders were just 6 weeks later, and Woodstock a week and half after that. The world really seemed to be spinning out of control that summer, somewhat as it does this summer.

Altamont was later that year. Don’t forget that Project Intercept was interrupting drug traffic, causing dealers to switch to heroin, which was easier to smuggle and much more profitable.

That also helped bring the happy hippy dreams of the 60’s to a rather ugly halt.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 12, 2017 • 11:44:03pm

re: #81 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

As a poor kid at Cornell, there was no question of me joining a fraternity. They were in disrepute at the time anyway and I never missed them at all.

I considered joining a fraternity at Indiana University for about fifteen minutes.

Mostly because my older brother had been a member at Purdue University and the frat house was directly opposite the geology building: I was a geology major and that would’ve meant sleeping in until 7.45 for an 8am class.

But that was not enough to convince me.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 12, 2017 • 11:44:49pm

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:01:41am

re: #93 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

that one went right to my FB page…

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:55:08am

This shit is absolutely surreal. The degree to which Trump just inverts and rewrites reality to feed his own ego isn’t just pathological, it’s terrifying.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:11:37am

Just found this on the interwebs. Deploy as needed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:23:27am

Hillary is at once a warmonger who will send troops all over the globe but will decimate the military. Got it.

The Russians did nothing wrong, but Obama should have stopped it. Got it.

Thank God I let Fox news not only shape my reality, but also help me process it.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:25:55am

re: #1 Ace-o-aces

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Trump refused to rent to Blacks and Browns. He called for the execution of Black and Brown teens for a crime they didn’t commit. He championed birtherism against the first Black President.

His spawn should condemn his father’s well documented history of racism before pointing the finger at anyone else.

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freetoken  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:28:20am
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Dr. Matt  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:55:35am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:58:56am
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Myron Falwell  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:59:14am

Real search I just did on Twitter for #Treason.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 13, 2017 • 5:09:27am

re: #3 jaunte

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It didn’t work for Nixon and it ain’t gonna work for Trump. He has given more than enough ammunition for Mueller to bring down his administration.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2017 • 5:10:52am

re: #103 Patricia Kayden

It didn’t work for Nixon and it ain’t gonna work for Trump. He has given more than enough ammunition for Mueller to bring down his administration.

Ammunition is there, but the GOP has to load the weapon, and I still see little sign of that.

Oddly enough, we put our hopes in people like Lindsey Graham and John McCain, who have personal issues to settle with DT…

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wheat-dogg  Jul 13, 2017 • 5:12:43am

re: #71 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Wow!
Harvard Faculty Move to Ban Frats and Sororities, Calling Their Effects “Heartbreaking”

So, it looks like these Greeks too will soon be history.

Princeton banned them in the 19th century, then let them come back as “student clubs” in the 21st.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 13, 2017 • 5:19:17am
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Myron Falwell  Jul 13, 2017 • 5:19:36am

re: #104 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The GOP is 100% guilty by association until proven otherwise. Their leadership and congressweasels totally sold out our sovereignty so as to steal a Supreme Court justice.

It’s only a matter of when high-ranking GOP officials get implicated in this scandal. Not if.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 13, 2017 • 5:25:53am

So I was out puttering around Ostrava today and lo and behold, I found a flea market! This place is hipster heaven; filled to the rafters with old Communist-era stuff, some good, some that can’t be salvaged. Still, pretty cool place…..I found this, an old USSR-made manual coffee grinder, still in the original box. Got it for the equivalent of about $5. Not bad.

Couldn’t pass it up.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 13, 2017 • 5:37:44am

Guy who held up a “Buy Bitcoin” sign during Janet Yellen’s congressional appearance has received donations of 4.62 Bitcoin — about $11,000.

steemit.com

Not bad for a few minutes work.

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jeffreyw  Jul 13, 2017 • 5:44:43am

Imgur

Good morning!

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 5:52:09am

re: #1 Ace-o-aces

Trump/Media: Hold my beer….

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 5:54:40am

re: #95 goddamnedfrank

This shit is absolutely surreal. The degree to which Trump just inverts and rewrites reality to feed his own ego isn’t just pathological, it’s terrifying.

The rubes watching this crap will buy it. They’ll buy anything old Pat sells them.

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 5:56:51am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area.

So what have the GOP come up today as a means to deflect attention from Russia-Trump mess?

Collusion isn’t a crime? Yeah, that’s an oldie (from earlier in the week) but still being plied.

There’s Kellyanne trying to play word games (she should leave that up to Weird Al).

There’s even Junior and others complaining that how can anyone be talking about Russia-Trump when it wasn’t even a thing when those meetings occurred:

Yeah, about that:

But leave it to Stonekettle to sum things up concisely:

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 5:58:12am

re: #79 darthstar

Who amongst us has not had to amend our SF86 form multiple times and add hundreds of names?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:01:04am

re: #74 FormerDirtDart

Focused like a laser-beam on the important things.

/

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:01:35am

re: #79 darthstar

If you think Kushner’s got problems with his SF86, guess what. He’s not alone. It would appear that Pence seems to be falling into the same mess.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:02:04am

re: #113 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area.

So what have the GOP come up today as a means to deflect attention from Russia-Trump mess?

Collusion isn’t a crime? Yeah, that’s an oldie (from earlier in the week) but still being plied.

There’s Kellyanne trying to play word games (she should leave that up to Weird Al).

There’s even Junior and others complaining that how can anyone be talking about Russia-Trump when it wasn’t even a thing when those meetings occurred:

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They really have some weak defenses don’t they? And plenty of people did in fact talk about his Russia ties.

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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:04:29am
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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:04:33am

It’s far easier to identify those in the Trump admin and senior GOP levels who have had no contacts with Russians than trying to identify those who had contacts, lied about it, or are trying to project their criminality on to others:

1.

It’s a very short fuckin’ list.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:05:02am

re: #21 GlutenFreeJesus

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Sick, sick burn.

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:05:41am

re: #118 darthstar

That’s frame-worthy for Trump tower, don’t you think? The framing and pose is just-so….

Only improvement could be attire change to prison orange jumpsuit.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:06:06am

“Yes, we set the Reichstag fire. So what? Is there a LAW against that?”

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:07:07am

Anybody would have pulled the trigger. Anybody.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:08:06am

“Yeah, we killed a bunch of our opponents. So what? Is there a LAW against that? Anybody would have done it.”

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:09:30am

re: #114 Sir John Barron

Who amongst us has not had to amend our SF86 form multiple times and add hundreds of names?

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I mean, hey man, it’s totes a daily occurrence for me!

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:10:30am

Yeah, we launched the nukes. So what? Is there a LAW against that? Anybody would have done it.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:11:43am

re: #116 lawhawk

If you think Kushner’s got problems with his SF86, guess what. He’s not alone. It would appear that Pence seems to be falling into the same mess.

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Like I’ve said before, we’re gonna need something like the Nuremberg Trials when all is said and done to get to the bottom of this shit.

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MsJ  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:12:33am

Ok, so now what? Top “justice” official?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:16:00am

re: #128 MsJ

Ok, so now what? Top “justice” official?

Yeah, we disbanded the entire federal court system including the SCOTUS. So what? Clinton Foundation.

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MsJ  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:17:21am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:17:46am

THREAD

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:18:16am

re: #118 darthstar

Who cares about emails? Emails don’t matter. Did you ever see us complaining about Hillary’s emails?

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:18:27am

re: #128 MsJ

Ok, so now what? Top “justice” official?

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God, I can’t stand to see that little smirking smurf.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:19:05am

re: #131 The Vicious Babushka

THREAD

All of the nonsensical, conflicting, contradictory responses all at once.

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MsJ  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:19:28am

re: #129 Sir John Barron

Yeah, we disbanded the entire federal court system including the SCOTUS. So what? Clinton Foundation.

I know there is little we can do but maniacal laughter, but honestly, where does the US go from here? Apparently the POTUS, VP, Attorney General and many top level government officials are Russian puppets. How do we fix this?

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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:20:17am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:20:30am

re: #128 MsJ

re: #119 lawhawk

“We just missed the deadline.”

“The dog ate our homework.”

“We don’t answer to the courts.”

“The request is unconstitutional.”

“Obama”.

“Clinton Foundation.”

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:21:16am

re: #133 Barefoot Grin

God, I can’t stand to see that little smirking smurf.

Just think how satisfying it will be to watch Sessions go down with the rest of them.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:22:05am

re: #136 darthstar

“Forget the myths the media’s created about this White House. These are just not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.”

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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:22:48am

re: #136 darthstar

I’ve got a new major to claim when meeting people and they ask where I went to school. I can add that I studied Maganomics when I went to Trump University.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:23:42am

re: #136 darthstar

Is MAGAnomics where you cut taxes, increase defense spending, and expect to balance the budget?

/

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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:25:32am

re: #141 Sir John Barron

Is MAGAnomics where you cut taxes, increase defense spending, and expect to balance the budget?

/

The faster you stuff your pockets with cash, the more it will trickle down and boost the economy.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:25:51am

re: #138 Sir John Barron

Just think how satisfying it will be to watch Sessions go down with the rest of them.

I sure hope so. I’m really worried that he and that stupid Voter Fraud Commission will be able to collectively reassert southern-fried retributive justice and nationwide voter suppression before they are ferreted out.

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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:28:19am
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ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:28:59am

re: #117 HappyWarrior

They really have some weak defenses don’t they? And plenty of people did in fact talk about his Russia ties.

They must have thought their offense was so awesome they wouldn’t need a defense.

Just win baby! Winning takes care of everything.

Oops.

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Belafon  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:31:28am

re: #135 MsJ

I know there is little we can do but maniacal laughter, but honestly, where does the US go from here? Apparently the POTUS, VP, Attorney General and many top level government officials are Russian puppets. How do we fix this?

We keep fighting, and we let as many people know as we can. Jackson pulled the same crap.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:33:02am

Just coming over the wires that Chinese Nobel Laureate and dissident Liu Xioabo has died in hospital at the age of 61.

bbc.com

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wheat-dogg  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:34:42am

re: #147 Dr Lizardo

Just coming over the wires that Chinese Nobel Laureate and dissident Liu Xioabo has died in hospital at the age of 61.

bbc.com

He was deathly ill, and the doctors said yesterday his organs were shutting down.

RIP, sir.

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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:35:14am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:36:37am

re: #103 Patricia Kayden

It didn’t work for Nixon and it ain’t gonna work for Trump. He has given more than enough ammunition for Mueller to bring down his administration.

The thing with Nixon. There were at least a few Republicans that still had a sense of duty to their country, and us. That is not the case today.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:37:09am

re: #150 GlutenFreeJesus

Indeed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:37:17am

re: #112 Sir John Barron

The rubes watching this crap will buy it. They’ll buy anything old Pat sells them.

It is unpatriotic to question the Pres and it is blasphemous to question Pat.

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ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:37:53am

re: #128 MsJ

Ok, so now what? Top “justice” official?

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Little bigot is covering his ass.

What an administration…White House is now Criminal Central.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:37:57am

re: #144 darthstar

I remain undecided until I’ve had the chance to review the bill in its totality and determine its impact on #Florida

— Marco Rubio

Translation: I have no idea what’s in the bill or what the issues are. Who cares, really? I don’t give a shit.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:39:06am

re: #152 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is unpatriotic to question the Pres and it is blasphemous to question Pat.

It’s been a whiplash turn from a year ago when overthrowing the president was the greatest sign of patriotism.

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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:39:45am

Macron and Trump just met. Macron won the handshake pull. Trump just turned and held Macron’s hand to give another tug and it didn’t work.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:40:10am

re: #156 darthstar

Macron and Trump just met. Macron won the handshake pull. Trump just turned and held Macron’s hand to give another tug and it didn’t work.

Why is Drumpf in France?

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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:40:17am

re: #154 Sir John Barron

Translation: I have no idea what’s in the bill or what the issues are. Who cares, really? I don’t give a shit.

Hell…he didn’t even want to stay in the Senate.

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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:41:06am

re: #157 Sir John Barron

Why is Drumpf in France?

Bastille day…yeah, he was in Europe last week. But he’s avoiding the US press like the plague and this was a convenient distraction.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:41:11am

re: #158 darthstar

Hell…he didn’t even want to stay in the Senate.

“I don’t even want this stinking Senate seat. Why should I care about this crappy bill or what it does to people? People in my state are all losers. Look who they voted for.”

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:42:47am

re: #160 Sir John Barron

“I don’t even want this stinking Senate seat. Why should I care about this crappy bill or what it does to people? People in my state are all losers. Look who they voted for.”

“People in my state, man. They sent ME back to the U.S. Senate for six more years. Can you believe it? It’s like the majority of people walking around with the “Kick Me” sign taped on their backs. They get what they deserve.”

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:43:21am

re: #159 darthstar

Bastille day…yeah, he was in Europe last week. But he’s avoiding the US press like the plague and this was a convenient distraction.

No way Dumpf knows what Bastille Day is.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:44:02am

Trump loses the assault handshake battle with President Macron so he tries it out on Mme Macron

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:45:54am

re: #162 Sir John Barron

No way Dumpf knows what Bastille Day is.

Something to do with pilfering sheep?

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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:46:24am

Macron holding a ceremony with Trump and zero public observers…that has to kill Trump, not having a live audience.

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ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:47:02am

re: #159 darthstar

Bastille day…yeah, he was in Europe last week. But he’s avoiding the US press like the plague and this was a convenient distraction.

Isn’t he supposed to have a press conference there sometime today? I think the American press will be there. But, right now the world press is doing a better job, so they can probably rip on him pretty good. I hope Germany and Australia are well represented. They really seem to hate him.

Maybe he’ll call all of them fake news.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:48:18am

re: #165 darthstar

Macron holding a ceremony with Trump and zero public observers…that has to kill Trump, not having a live audience.

Where the hell are the buses of people? Don’t your people know I’m here? Poland had buses of people in for me and they all cheered. Do you know how many electoral colleges I won in America?

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ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:49:22am

re: #167 Sir John Barron

Where the hell are the buses of people? Don’t your people know I’m here? Poland had buses of people in for me and they all cheered. Do you know how many electoral colleges I won in America?

I bet he has some electoral college maps so he can show everyone how red he is!

Oh, wait…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:51:43am

re: #163 The Vicious Babushka

Couldn’t outshake Mr. Macron, so he does it to the wife. What a goon.

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MsJ  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:52:47am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:53:02am

re: #169 GlutenFreeJesus

Couldn’t outshake Mr. Macron, so he does it to the wife. What a goon.

Cannot imagine that he has a thing for older women…

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:54:28am

All the culinary delights France has to offer!

Trump: “I’ll have the meatloaf.”

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:57:48am

Dang! I missed the Ween convo. Chocolate and Cheese played pretty much nonstop on a boombox behind me while I worked cold side on one of the greatest lines of my youth.

Voodoo Lady will forever bring me back to the smell of zesting key limes, pouring ganache, & cutting romaine lettuce… all the while doing the Boogie… Oogie. Oogie.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:58:04am

re: #171 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Cannot imagine that he has a thing for older women…

You mean old like ‘35’?

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:01:04am

re: #172 Barefoot Grin

All the culinary delights France has to offer!

Trump: “I’ll have the meatloaf steak. Well done. And don’t forget the ketchup.”

FTFY.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:02:47am
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(Bert the Turtle)  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:03:24am

re: #131 The Vicious Babushka

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Belafon  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:03:53am

re: #176 The Vicious Babushka

Keep going after him folks. Make Trump have to say he fully supports Sessions, so we’ll know he’s done for.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:04:54am

re: #156 darthstar

Macron and Trump just met. Macron won the handshake pull. Trump just turned and held Macron’s hand to give another tug and it didn’t work.

Did Macron take his latex glove off after he did that?

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Belafon  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:05:23am

re: #177 (Bert the Turtle)

This. And there’s not much we can do to change their minds. Arguing with them will only cause them to double down. Just keep presenting facts until something breaks.

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Belafon  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:06:02am

re: #179 Joe Bacon 🌹

Did Macron take his latex glove off after he did that?

Always make sure you pat Trump on the back to wipe it off.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:06:14am

re: #176 The Vicious Babushka

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So the Attorney General of the United States of America just blatantly lied on a Federal form.

Sure. Why the fuck not?

*headdesk*

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:06:49am

re: #182 Dr Lizardo

So the Attorney General of the United States of America just blatantly lied on a Federal form.

Sure. Why the fuck not?

Is somebody gonna arrest him for that?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:07:29am

re: #172 Barefoot Grin

All the culinary delights France has to offer!

Trump: “I’ll have the meatloaf.”

“And don’t put none of that peppercorn sauce on it. Douse it in Ketchup!”

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:08:44am

re: #183 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Is somebody gonna arrest him for that?

The US Marshals Service acting on a warrant issued by a Federal judge?

Of course, who’s gonna go in front of a Federal judge to get a warrant? Therein lies the rub.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:10:57am

re: #185 Dr Lizardo

The US Marshals Service acting on a warrant issued by a Federal judge?

Of course, who’s gonna go in front of a Federal judge to get a warrant? Therein lies the rub.

and that goes double for Sesions’ boss…

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MsJ  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:11:47am

re: #135 MsJ

I know there is little we can do but maniacal laughter, but honestly, where does the US go from here? Apparently the POTUS, VP, Attorney General and many top level government officials are Russian puppets. How do we fix this?

re: #146 Belafon

We keep fighting, and we let as many people know as we can. Jackson pulled the same crap.

But did Jackson have an entire party apparatus supporting him? (Nixon didn’t.) The GOP is craven for power and will do anything and everything: 1) to get their agenda through and 2) support trump until they, themselves, find their own power slipping.

My question above is really…what legal remedies does this country have when so many top officials are compromised?

And that’s a serious question. How do we get out of this (let alone survive)?

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wheat-dogg  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:17:32am

re: #187 MsJ

But did Jackson have an entire party apparatus supporting him? (Nixon didn’t.) The GOP is craven for power and will do anything and everything: 1) to get their agenda through and 2) support trump until they, themselves, find their own power slipping.

My question above is really…what legal remedies does this country have when so many top officials are compromised?

And that’s a serious question. How do we get out of this (let alone survive)?

AFAIK, the Constitution makes no provisions for removing several corrupt officials from office, as the Founding Fathers never anticipated an entire executive branch being corrupt. It would take Congress to file articles of impeachment, and officers of the federal courts being bold enough to serve or arrest members of the administration on criminal charges. We have no precedents for this kind of situation.

Alternatively, the “court of popular opinion” could induce several of these fuckers to resign rather than be removed from office.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:20:09am

re: #187 MsJ

Jackson was a great president. My favorite Republican. Then he died and Teddy Roosevelt became president. Teddy I didn’t like so much. Hurt the corporations. Did bad stuff.

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:20:25am

re: #10 FormerDirtDart

Slash legal immigration.

Trump and the GOP aren’t anti-illegal immigrant. They’re anti-immigration. They’re xenophobic nativists who only want people coming into the US that look like them. All others can go elsewhere.

The more things change, the more history stutters. It’s the same bullshit nativist bigotry we’ve always seen in US history.

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Lupin  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:20:31am

re: #135 MsJ

I know there is little we can do but maniacal laughter, but honestly, where does the US go from here? Apparently the POTUS, VP, Attorney General and many top level government officials are Russian puppets. How do we fix this?

You don’t, tovarich!

Didn’t I read somewhere that Sessions had just cheaply settled a Russian money laundering case whose lawyer was Natalia Veselnitskaya?

Shameless.

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MsJ  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:21:35am

re: #191 Lupin

You don’t, tovarich!

Didn’t I read somewhere that Sessions had just cheaply settled a Russian money laundering case whose lawyer was Natalia Veselnitskaya?

Shameless.

Yes, he did. And that decision is being questioned.

I doubt anything will happen.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:22:25am

re: #176 The Vicious Babushka

Justice Dept releases a single “heavily redacted” page in response to demand for info on his foreign contacts americanoversight.org

— Carrie Johnson

Behold the transparency.

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:22:35am

re: #170 MsJ

You’re welcome:

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Lupin  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:23:20am

re: #165 darthstar

Macron holding a ceremony with Trump and zero public observers…that has to kill Trump, not having a live audience.

It’s because the French are no longer supposed to urinate in public.

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MsJ  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:25:25am
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makeitstop  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:25:48am

re: #191 Lupin

You don’t, tovarich!

Didn’t I read somewhere that Sessions had just cheaply settled a Russian money laundering case whose lawyer was Natalia Veselnitskaya?

Shameless.

And he did so after firing the prosecutor - one Preet Bharara, who was a direct threat to Trump’s money laundering setup.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:26:57am

re: #196 MsJ

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Hmmmm remembering Ryan and McCarthy’s “joke.”

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:28:08am
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MsJ  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:29:06am

re: #198 HappyWarrior

Hmmmm remembering Ryan and McCarthy’s “joke.”

Exactly. Every goddamned Republican is fucking compromised. That they can laugh about it made me want to puke. How many people died for this country and fucking Republicans are just shitting on every damned one of those graves.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:29:32am

re: #199 lawhawk

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Hahahaha. Man delusion is high with these.

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ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:32:33am

re: #187 MsJ

But did Jackson have an entire party apparatus supporting him? (Nixon didn’t.) The GOP is craven for power and will do anything and everything: 1) to get their agenda through and 2) support trump until they, themselves, find their own power slipping.

My question above is really…what legal remedies does this country have when so many top officials are compromised?

And that’s a serious question. How do we get out of this (let alone survive)?

The GOP power is slipping right now.

Look at the trouble they are having with the healthcare legislation. It is a must-do for them since they have been promising repeal and replace for 7 years. Reports are they are going to hold a vote, maybe tomorrow, but those same reports are saying they already do not have enough votes to get it through.

That makes them look rather bush-league and McConnell not as powerful as he thinks he is.

Trump doesn’t help. So, the party needs to do something to, well, do something.

Also, this week’s Donny Jr. email mess is changing the whole outlook of the congress. Rachel was saying last night that behind closed doors, there are more and more GOP congress people talking about joining up with the Dems more on healthcare and in the investigations.

It is also being said the big money like the Kochs have grown frustrated with healthcare and realize it might be time to call off the dogs. I think they are figuring out the medical industry and even the insurance industry doesn’t want it, and actually wants the ACA too.

Out front we see them all acting like nothing is wrong. Behind the scenes I think things are getting to a breaking point. Something has to give.

What is the path of least resistance if the GOP starts to see they need to save the party and protect their big money backers?

Dump Trump.

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Lupin  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:33:06am

Presidential motorcade today:

Obama in 2015: 38 vehicles.

Trump today: 68 vehicles.

huffpost france

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Lupin  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:34:14am

Live coverage of Trump + macron at the Invalides.

huffpost france

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:35:35am
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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:37:07am

This is a tremendous thread by both Andrea Grimes (click thru) and Topher about what the GOP wants versus what Democrats are fighting for:

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makeitstop  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:37:26am

A very good read - a conversation between Frank Rich and Alex Carp.

Watching the Downfall of a Presidency in Real Time

The good news for those who want to see justice done is that this scandal not only resembles Watergate but also The Godfather — albeit a Godfather where every Corleone is a Fredo and not a single lawyer is as crafty as Tom Hagen, despite the fact that Little Donald’s private attorney has a history of defending clients from mob families. The level of stupidity of the conspirators is staggering: Not the least of the week’s news is that Kushner thought he could get away with omitting this Trump Tower meeting on the government questionnaire he filed to get his security clearance. (The $2.5 million that Charles Kushner donated to Harvard to gain his son admission was not money well spent.) My other favorite detail of the week (so far) is that Rob Goldstone, the former British tabloid writer and Miss Universe entrepreneur who served as the Trump campaign’s Russian middleman, posted on Facebook that he was “preparing for meeting” at Trump Tower on the day it took place.

Now it’s every man (and his lawyer) for himself as the president, having hidden from the press and the public ever since he returned home from his Yalta-themed tête-à-tête with Vladimir Putin, escapes to France, of all places. His press secretary is also in hiding, as is his chief of staff, Reince Priebus, who as recently as Sunday dismissed the Donald Jr. story as a “nothingburger” — Trumpspeak for the Nixon press secretary Ron Ziegler’s designation of Watergate as a “third-rate burglary.” About the only administration stalwart not remaining silent is the vice-president, whose statement following the release of the Donald Jr. emails let it be known that he was “not aware” of the Trump Tower meeting and that it had taken place before he joined the campaign. Mike Pence has clearly been boning up on Gerald Ford, and may already be brooding about the risks entailed if he should eventually be in the position to pardon the 45th president.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:39:20am

re: #207 makeitstop

Reince Priebus, who as recently as Sunday dismissed the Donald Jr. story as a “nothingburger” — Trumpspeak for the Nixon press secretary Ron Ziegler’s designation of Watergate as a “third-rate burglary.”

Amazing someone like Rinse has risen to the level of Chief of Staff or whatever his position is in the WH.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:41:22am

re: #206 lawhawk

Left is fixated (rightly so) on millions losing coverage/dying. Right is fixated on ‘saving’ $. There is no middle.

— andrea grimes

No one will lose coverage, the Left is lying about our plan.

OK, yeah, some people, lazy people, might lose coverage. They should just get jobs. MAGA.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:43:58am

re: #209 Sir John Barron

No one will lose coverage, the Left is lying about our plan.

OK, yeah, some people, lazy people, might lose coverage. They should just get jobs. MAGA.

one way or another, they will be dropped from the unemployment rolls…

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:44:50am

re: #207 makeitstop

“Now it’s every man (and his lawyer) for himself”

How soon before Trump claims that Donny Jr. is not his son? And Kellyanne Conway and Huckabee Sanders back him up in Hannity segments?

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:44:58am

re: #207 makeitstop

A very good read - a conversation between Frank Rich and Alex Carp.

Watching the Downfall of a Presidency in Real Time

The good news for those who want to see justice done is that this scandal not only resembles Watergate but also The Godfather — albeit a Godfather where every Corleone is a Fredo and not a single lawyer is as crafty as Tom Hagen

LOLOL

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:45:34am

re: #211 Patricia Kayden

“Now it’s every man (and his lawyer) for himself”

How soon before Trump claims that Donny Jr. is not his son? And Kellyanne Conway and Huckabee Sanders back him up in Hannity segments?

“Look Donald Jr isn’t a blonde. Simple genetics. Not mine. Never even met the kid before he was ten.”

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makeitstop  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:45:45am

re: #208 Sir John Barron

Amazing someone like Rinse has risen to the level of Chief of Staff or whatever his position is in the WH.

It was inevitable. In general, the GOP leadership has been dumbing down for the better part of three decades now. The Peter Principle, hard at work.

Since the days of Lee Atwater, Republicans have been pushing forth more and more watered-down versions of their ‘evil genius’ - Atwater to Rove to dim bulbs like Conway and Priebus. They kept going back to that particular well until the water they’re pulling out now is all but undrinkable. The balance has tipped way over onto the ‘evil’ side minus the ‘genius.’

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:46:26am

re: #212 Dr Lizardo

LOLOL

We’re seeing the Godfather but if the Tattaligas were the focus. Actually I take that back, they weren’t totally incompetent given the way they got Luca Brazi killed.

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makeitstop  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:47:49am

re: #212 Dr Lizardo

LOLOL

You gotta read the whole thing. Rich is really good at snark, and Carp is right there with him. Here’s another snip that’s glorious.

There will be no single smoking gun that will bring down this White House. It will be death by firing squad — or perhaps a sequence of firing squads — as the whole story inexorably pours out of the administration’s smoldering ruins. This week’s bombshell has the feel of gallows humor. Trump Jr.’s panicked release of the self-incriminating emails is tantamount to picking up a loaded gun and shooting himself in the head. Why did Little Donald not do what the Trumps always do in these situations — let the press (in this case the Times) go ahead and report its incriminating findings, rail against leakers, and then dismiss the latest incontrovertible evidence of wrongdoing as “fake news”? Was Little Donald trying to protect his father from even worse revelations? To take down his brother-in-law even as his brother-in-law (a possible source of the emails) tried to take down him? To deliver a message from or to the Kremlin?

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:49:17am

re: #209 Sir John Barron

So Republicans have no problem with cutting Medicaid by trillions and therefore cutting healthcare access for millions of less fortunate Americans while simultaneously giving Billionaires and Millionaires tax cuts which they don’t even need. They’re basically stealing from the lower classes to give $$$ to the wealthy in a reverse Robin Hood maneuver. Good to know.

MAGA — but only for the wealthy folks like Trump.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:49:26am

re: #163 The Vicious Babushka

Trump loses the assault handshake battle with President Macron so he tries it out on Mme Macron

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The way to deal with Trump’s bullshit handshake is to do what Macron did, OR make it look like he pulled you into his personal space, Trump would hate that. Suggested for all who are taller than Trump.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:50:16am

re: #216 makeitstop

Why did Little Donald not do what the Trumps always do in these situations — let the press (in this case the Times) go ahead and report its incriminating findings, rail against leakers, and then dismiss the latest incontrovertible evidence of wrongdoing as “fake news”?

Yeah, this still puzzles me. The emails would ultimately have been verified by the other people copied in the chain, but by then, Jared might be in Siberia, Manafort disowned, etc.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:51:29am

If I were a pager, I would do this one up, as it hearkens back to something out of LGF’s political past:

A Font Is at the Heart of Pakistan’s Prime Minister’s Legal Troubles

A font might just be the political death knell for Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, who is currently embroiled in legal troubles that began with a 2016 leak of documents popularly known as the Panama Papers. According to a report of a joint investigation team probing the source of Sharif’s family wealth, a property deed dated 2006 was typed in Microsoft’s Calibri font. That’s mysterious, because the font apparently did not debut until 2007.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:51:38am

re: #216 makeitstop

Why did Little Donald not do what the Trumps always do in these situations — let the press (in this case the Times) go ahead and report its incriminating findings, rail against leakers, and then dismiss the latest incontrovertible evidence of wrongdoing as “fake news”?

Maybe after a year of “collusion” rumors they were anxious to just cop to it and see how their GOP supporters in Congress and the media responded.

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makeitstop  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:51:39am

More good reading from Josh: The Big Trumpers still don’t get the trouble they’re in. Emphasis mine.

One issue I’ve touched on here and there in my posts on the Russia probe is my abiding sense that especially the younger generation of Trumpers: Kushner, Don Jr., et al. just don’t seem to grasp the magnitude of the trouble they’re in, or at least the magnitude of their legal exposure. I can’t point to any one piece of evidence. It’s more like every piece of evidence. The signs I’m going on are a mix of public evidence, things we see unfolding in the newspapers, and my own reporting. They just don’t act like people who get what they’re dealing with and are acting accordingly.

The abiding sense I get is not simply that they don’t know the magnitude of the legal threat but that they don’t understand the nature of the threat either. Again and again they seem to think the legal vulnerability can be trumped by good news cycles or getting the press to focus on some other individual. They don’t seem to get that a big, sprawling federal investigation like this, untethered from the political chain of command and led by one of the top law enforcement professionals of his generation, trundles onward with a perfect indifference to whether you win the morning or kill it in 10 or a 100 different news cycles. Those things just don’t matter. And yet my sense at least is that Jared Kushner thinks he is helping himself by knifing his brother-in-law - as though if Don Jr is at the center of a media firestorm for a few days, Mueller will just forget about him.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:52:31am

re: #216 makeitstop

“Why did Little Donald not do what the Trumps always do in these situations — let the press (in this case the Times) go ahead and report its incriminating findings, rail against leakers, and then dismiss the latest incontrovertible evidence of wrongdoing as ‘fake news’?”

Perhaps he panicked. I assume because of his age, he’s not as experienced a liar as his Daddy. He’ll get better with age though. Just wait and see.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:52:59am

re: #217 Patricia Kayden

So Republicans have no problem with cutting Medicaid by trillions and therefore cutting healthcare access for millions of less fortunate Americans while simultaneously giving Billionaires and Millionaires tax cuts which they don’t even need. They’re basically stealing from the lower classes to give $$$ to the wealthy in a reverse Robin Hood maneuver. Good to know.

In exchange, the rich are going to create millions of well-paid jobs with benefits for Americans with minimal training or education…

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:54:59am

re: #223 Patricia Kayden

“Why did Little Donald not do what the Trumps always do in these situations — let the press (in this case the Times) go ahead and report its incriminating findings, rail against leakers, and then dismiss the latest incontrovertible evidence of wrongdoing as ‘fake news’?”

Perhaps he panicked. I assume because of his age, he’s not as experienced a liar as his Daddy. He’ll get better with age though. Just wait and see.

Or he just assumes Dad will fire Mueller, and that will be the end of it, or if worse comes to worse, Dad, or Pence, or somebody, will just pardon him.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:56:33am

re: #222 makeitstop

Here is an example of what I’m talking about. This is from Mike Allen’s morning Axios email.

The view in Kushner’s orbit is that the brutal new revelations are more P.R. problems than legal problems. And if he makes progress with his Middle East peace efforts, perceptions would be very different.

Again, this strikes me as a profound and dangerous naïveté. These are certainly not PR problems. Prosecutors, meanwhile, really don’t care how well you’re doing on the policy front. But even if you grant the nonsensical premise - that grave legal problems can be managed with good PR or even substantive policy successes - this is an inane statement.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:57:08am

Yeah, but…..something….something…Clinton foundation……emails….

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makeitstop  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:58:26am

Annnd, here’s something else to worry about: How Canadian researchers reconstituted an extinct poxvirus for $100,000 using mail-order DNA

Eradicating smallpox, one of the deadliest diseases in history, took humanity decades and cost billions of dollars. Bringing the scourge back would probably take a small scientific team with little specialized knowledge half a year and cost about $100,000.

That’s one conclusion from an unusual and as-yet unpublished experiment performed last year by Canadian researchers. A group led by virologist David Evans of the University of Alberta in Edmonton, Canada, says it has synthesized the horsepox virus, a relative of smallpox, from genetic pieces ordered in the mail. Horsepox is not known to harm humans—and like smallpox, researchers believe it no longer exists in nature; nor is it seen as a major agricultural threat. But the technique Evans used could be used to recreate smallpox, a horrific disease that was declared eradicated in 1980. “No question. If it’s possible with horsepox, it’s possible with smallpox,” says virologist Gerd Sutter of Ludwig Maximilians University in Munich, Germany.

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 7:59:23am

re: #217 Patricia Kayden

The Trump syndicate has decided to roll out a name for their economic vision:

Maganomics (complete with a bullshit logo).

It’s trickle down bullshit, just more brazen, condescending, repulsive, and vile.

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ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:00:23am

re: #222 makeitstop

More good reading from Josh: The Big Trumpers still don’t get the trouble they’re in. Emphasis mine.

Lawrence O’Donnell has constantly been reporting and editorializing the key to the whole Trump mess is Jared. He mentioned Tuesday night Donny Jr. is a dumbass, but he is going to be key to taking Kushner down. He figures Mueller will toy with Junior to get to Jared.

I think Lawrence figures if they make Kushner cry, he will blow it all for Trump.

Rachel last night was talking about the Kushner family’s nasty past and how they even screw their own.

Makes me think Jared will turn on Trump to save his own butt. There is his wife to worry about, but if Rachel is correct about the lack of character in the Kushner clan, Jared might be prepared to suffer the consequences of his marriage to again save his own ass.

The rest of this year is going to be one big real political reality show. It’s got it all!

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ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:01:33am

re: #223 Patricia Kayden

“Why did Little Donald not do what the Trumps always do in these situations — let the press (in this case the Times) go ahead and report its incriminating findings, rail against leakers, and then dismiss the latest incontrovertible evidence of wrongdoing as ‘fake news’?”

Perhaps he panicked. I assume because of his age, he’s not as experienced a liar as his Daddy. He’ll get better with age though. Just wait and see.

Well, it is well known that criminals keep learning new tricks while sitting in jail.

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ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:02:45am

re: #227 Ace-o-aces

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Yeah, but…..something….something…Clinton foundation……emails….BENGHAZI!

You forgot one…I added it at the end.

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:06:15am

re: #230 ObserverArt

This is what happens when you’ve got a reactionary know-nothing criminal syndicate running things. They are all about enriching themselves and don’t even bother to understand the consequences of their actions or the harms they bring to the nation.

It’s all goal oriented: can we profit from this.

Can you meet with Russians to help win election? Yes. We’d love it - ignoring that it’s expressly prohibited under federal law. They don’t care about the law - Trump never has. He has no use for contracts or limitations under the law. His supporters think all this is grand, because they think that Trump running roughshod over the Constitution will somehow help them. The GOP continues enabling for the same reason (to get rid of the safety net, they’ll use Trump to pass whatever crap they want). Trumpcare is cover for Russia-Trump, and vice versa.

Both are mortal threats and perils for the nation. Both are direct assaults on Americans, whether they realize it or not.

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KingKenrod  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:07:16am

re: #223 Patricia Kayden

“Why did Little Donald not do what the Trumps always do in these situations — let the press (in this case the Times) go ahead and report its incriminating findings, rail against leakers, and then dismiss the latest incontrovertible evidence of wrongdoing as ‘fake news’?”

Perhaps he panicked. I assume because of his age, he’s not as experienced a liar as his Daddy. He’ll get better with age though. Just wait and see.

I think they are moving to the “Yeah we did it, so what?” defense because there’s too much info coming out from all over. “We have nothing to hide” looks better than “We are hiding stuff” when it’s obvious you’ve done something wrong.

The truth is the GOP and their voters are mostly OK with this, and will let them get away with it.

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MsJ  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:08:22am

re: #202 ObserverArt

The GOP power is slipping right now.

Look at the trouble they are having with the healthcare legislation. It is a must-do for them since they have been promising repeal and replace for 7 years. Reports are they are going to hold a vote, maybe tomorrow, but those same reports are saying they already do not have enough votes to get it through.

That makes them look rather bush-league and McConnell not as powerful as he thinks he is.

Trump doesn’t help. So, the party needs to do something to, well, do something.

Also, this week’s Donny Jr. email mess is changing the whole outlook of the congress. Rachel was saying last night that behind closed doors, there are more and more GOP congress people talking about joining up with the Dems more on healthcare and in the investigations.

It is also being said the big money like the Kochs have grown frustrated with healthcare and realize it might be time to call off the dogs. I think they are figuring out the medical industry and even the insurance industry doesn’t want it, and actually wants the ACA too.

Out front we see them all acting like nothing is wrong. Behind the scenes I think things are getting to a breaking point. Something has to give.

What is the path of least resistance if the GOP starts to see they need to save the party and protect their big money backers?

Dump Trump.

Thanks for that. Good comments all!

Does dumping Trump rid us of Sessions and all the other Russia supporters? Will we still be under the Kremlin’s thumb for…god only knows what, since we know the RNC was hacked but nothing was released? It’s obvious Rohrbacher is compromised.

And at this point, and I am sure this was part of the Kremlin’s desires, while I never trusted the GOP (even moreso now), I am finding trust slipping across all lines. The Nation playing kumbayah with Russia. Bernie doing the same. Jill Fucking Stein.

At this point, who in American politics is actually pro-America?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:10:12am

As absurd as the Trumpian defenses have been this week and for his whole campaign-presidency, I can’t help but wonder if Team Hillary would have been better off taking the “We didn’t do anything wrong, suck it” defense on the email business instead of apologizing for it. When the final Comey surprise dropped the week before the election it felt like a bombshell, but shouldn’t have been. I felt like we were all conditioned to react in fear to it, as if we were always waiting for the next shoe to drop about it. But I wonder what impact a more belligerent or dismissive attitude towards the whole phony scandal might have been.

Maybe the reality is that Team Clinton’s response was a mix of things and without a Fox News-Rush Limbaugh Talk Radio network to poo-pah any allegations on her behalf, she was ultimately in trouble no matter what response she put forward.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:12:07am

re: #234 KingKenrod

The truth is the GOP and their voters are mostly OK with this, and will let them get away with it.

And they care not one wit for all the lies that have preceded the new “who cares” party line.

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Belafon  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:12:14am

re: #206 lawhawk

This is a tremendous thread by both Andrea Grimes (click thru) and Topher about what the GOP wants versus what Democrats are fighting for:

The right isn’t fixated on saving money. They’re fixated on giving money to the rich. Cuts like this will cause things to cost more. They don’t care.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:12:44am

re: #236 Sir John Barron

As absurd as the Trumpian defenses have been this week and for his whole campaign-presidency, I can’t help but wonder if Team Hillary would have been better off taking the “We didn’t do anything wrong, suck it” defense on the email business instead of apologizing for it. When the final Comey surprise dropped the week before the election it felt like a bombshell, but shouldn’t have been. I felt like we were all conditioned to react in fear to it, as if we were always waiting for the next shoe to drop about it. But I wonder what impact a more belligerent or dismissive attitude towards the whole phony scandal might have been.

Maybe the reality is that Team Clinton’s response was a mix of things and without a Fox News-Rush Limbaugh Talk Radio network to poo-pah any allegations on her behalf, she was ultimately in trouble no matter what response she put forward.

I really think Clinton was damned if she did, damned if she didn’t.

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makeitstop  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:12:44am

re: #230 ObserverArt

Lawrence O’Donnell has constantly been reporting and editorializing the key to the whole Trump mess is Jared. He mentioned Tuesday night Donny Jr. is a dumbass, but he is going to be key to taking Kushner down. He figures Mueller will toy with Junior to get to Jared.

I think Lawrence figures if they make Kushner cry, he will blow it all for Trump.

Rachel last night was talking about the Kushner family’s nasty past and how they even screw their own.

Makes me think Jared will turn on Trump to save his own butt. There is his wife to worry about, but if Rachel is correct about the lack of character in the Kushner clan, Jared might be prepared to suffer the consequences of his marriage to again save his own ass.

The rest of this year is going to be one big real political reality show. It’s got it all!

I’m coming around to the idea that I mentioned the other night - that Trump isn’t actually running this whole scam (although he most definitely complicit), and that it’s Kushner, Evita, Uday and Qusay pulling the strings with Jared running the show.

There was a snippet the other day about how Kasowitz was pissed that Jared was ‘whispering in Trump’s ear’ and dragging him off-point from the actual legal jeopardy that the lot of them are in.

It doesn’t seem too far fetched that this group of Mean Kids figured they could let the Old Man prattle on and wreck shit and attract all the attention (and take the resultant shit) while they funneled more and more money into the Trump coffers.

The fly in the ointment is contained in Josh Marshall’s piece - they’ve all led sheltered, pampered lives where they’ve always been able to get away with anything. They’ve never come up against anything like the operation Mueller has mounted against them, and they think defeating that will be as easy as everything else that’s been handed to them all their lives.

But despite what they think, they’re nowhere near smart enough to pull it off.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:17:19am

re: #240 makeitstop

I’m coming around to the idea that I mentioned the other night - that Trump isn’t actually running this whole scam (although he most definitely complicit), and that it’s Kushner, Evita, Uday and Qusay pulling the strings with Jared running the show.

There was a snippet the other day about how Kasowitz was pissed that Jared was ‘whispering in Trump’s ear’ and dragging him off-point from the actual legal jeopardy that the lot of them are in.

It doesn’t seem too far fetched that this group of Mean Kids figured they could let the Old Man prattle on and wreck shit and attract all the attention (and take the resultant shit) while they funneled more and more money into the Trump coffers.

The fly in the ointment is contained in Josh Marshall’s piece - they’ve all led sheltered, pampered lives where they’ve always been able to get away with anything. They’ve never come up against anything like the operation Mueller has mounted against them, and they think defeating that will be as easy as everything else that’s been handed to them all their lives.

But despite what they think, they’re nowhere near smart enough to pull it off.

Makes you wonder.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:17:44am

re: #239 HappyWarrior

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:18:03am

re: #238 Belafon

She gets to that - it’s ultimately all about tax cuts for the millionaire class.

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KingKenrod  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:18:19am

Case in point, the “yeah, so what?” defense.

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:18:57am

re: #240 makeitstop

Your comments about Uday and Qasay reminded me of this:
Seen online today:

Why is Trump pals with Putin?
Saddam Hussein is no longer available.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:19:35am

re: #244 KingKenrod

Case in point, the “yeah, so what?” defense.

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He’s dumber than Fredo Corleone.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:19:54am

re: #245 lawhawk

Your comments about Uday and Qasay reminded me of this:
Seen online today:

Why is Trump pals with Putin?
Saddam Hussein is no longer available.

Too true.

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Targetpractice  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:20:55am

re: #244 KingKenrod

Case in point, the “yeah, so what?” defense.

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This is where it’s ultimately going to end. They’re going to end up in court, arguing that it’s not a crime to work with a foreign gov’t if the goal is to stop Hillary Clinton from winning the presidency.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:21:09am

re: #244 KingKenrod

Case in point, the “yeah, so what?” defense.

It all serves to speed the shift of the infamous Overton Window, if it doesn’t drive the American Right, or the country as a whole, over the cliff in the process.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:22:15am

re: #236 Sir John Barron

As absurd as the Trumpian defenses have been this week and for his whole campaign-presidency, I can’t help but wonder if Team Hillary would have been better off taking the “We didn’t do anything wrong, suck it” defense on the email business instead of apologizing for it.

That only works for Republicans…

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:22:20am

re: #248 Targetpractice

This is where it’s ultimately going to end. They’re going to end up in court, arguing that it’s not a crime to work with a foreign gov’t if the goal is to stop Hillary Clinton from winning the presidency.

The ends justify the means for conservatives but Liberalism is guilty of moral relativism.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:22:31am

re: #248 Targetpractice

This is where it’s ultimately going to end. They’re going to end up in court, arguing that it’s not a crime to work with a foreign gov’t if the goal is to stop Hillary Clinton from winning the presidency.

And you know what, enough people hate Clinton that they might get away with it.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:23:25am

re: #228 makeitstop

Annnd, here’s something else to worry about: How Canadian researchers reconstituted an extinct poxvirus for $100,000 using mail-order DNA

Anti-vaxxers are hell-bent on setting up a catastrophe. A revived smallpox epidemic could eventually result in some of them occupying the Julius Streicher chair at a future public health Nuremberg trial.

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:23:31am

re: #252 HappyWarrior

And you know what, enough people hate Clinton that they might get away with it.

And even with all that 3 million more people voted for Clinton than Trump. It’s just the distribution of those 3 million that left the nation in the hands of a criminal kakistocracy.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:24:33am

re: #254 lawhawk

And even with all that 3 million more people voted for Clinton than Trump. It’s just the distribution of those 3 million that left the nation in the hands of a criminal kakistocracy.

Yep. Sigh.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:25:23am

Fox host suggests it might be “safest” to repeal Obamacare without a replacement plan

DOOCY: Well, we had [Rep.] Mo Brooks [(R-AL)] on yesterday. He said why don’t they just use the nuclear option, all they need is 50 votes. Just repeal it and then have a grace period of a couple years and come up with something.

KILMEADE: That would be a disaster.

DOOCY: Well that’s what — that’s what people voted for.

Undeniable proof that republicans are complete and utter fucking idiots.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:25:35am

Maddening thing though is you know if Clinton had won, they’d be investigating left and right to remove her and Kaine to get Ayn Ryan in the WH.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:26:08am

re: #256 Dr. Matt

Fox host suggests it might be “safest” to repeal Obamacare without a replacement plan

Undeniable proof that republicans are complete and utter fucking idiots.

Go ahead dimbasses.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:26:23am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:28:33am

re: #256 Dr. Matt

KILMEADE: That would be a disaster.

DOOCY: Well that’s what — that’s what people voted for.

This could be made into a bumper sticker. Perfectly encapsulates the past year and the future we face.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:29:38am

re: #259 FormerDirtDart

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Who the hell are they having do their budget analysis? Its almost like Trump himself did it.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:30:16am
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Targetpractice  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:32:18am

re: #256 Dr. Matt

KILMEADE: That would be a disaster.

DOOCY: Well that’s what — that’s what people voted for.

Except it’s not. 3 million more people voted for fixing the ACA and introducing a public option to the market. And even among those who didn’t, a majority of them supported “repeal and replace.” Not “repeal and we’ll get replacement once we’ve decided you’ve suffered enough.”

Seriously, a “grace period of a few years”? You’ve got the GOP talking behind closed doors right now that their Senate majority if not their House majority is in serious danger, yet you think they’ve got time to sit on their hands? YOU’RE A FUCKING MORON!!!

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:33:59am

re: #259 FormerDirtDart

And that amount almost entirely matches up with the massive tax break given to millionaires… fancy that.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:34:27am

re: #202 ObserverArt

I wishfully agree. I also think this is the end result of cultivating dipshit grifters for the last 40 odd years to join their party. I hope we’re right, but I just don’t see that many ‘mericans leaving the GoP brand. They’re too entrenched in the bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:34:51am

I have little doubt that had Romney beat Obama, he would find himself in the same mess on health care. The GOP is great at saying no. Less so at actual ideas.

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:34:59am

re: #256 Dr. Matt

That’s what the GOP voted for…. the majority of Americans didn’t vote for this bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:35:58am

re: #267 lawhawk

That’s what the GOP voted for…. the majority of Americans didn’t vote for this bullshit.

More than 3 million of us preferred the other guys.

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piratedan  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:36:42am

re: #257 HappyWarrior

well, that assumes the Dems didn’t actually win the majority in the House, with all of the obvious attempts at voter suppression and other events, I can’t even discount the possibility of some votes not being counted or changed in certain house races now

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:38:28am

re: #269 piratedan

well, that assumes the Dems didn’t actually win the majority in the House, with all of the obvious attempts at voter suppression and other events, I can’t even discount the possibility of some votes not being counted or changed in certain house races now

Fair points. I’m just so frustrated by all this.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:39:59am

It’s strange though. I do feel optimistic about the elections this fall, 2018, and 2020 but at the same time though, I just fear deja vu. A Democrat gets stuck cleaning up the Republicans mess again.Part of the left turns on said Democrat for not being the savior and then we in 2024 or 2028 could easily get another Republican con man again/Republican majority in Congress.

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:40:01am
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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:43:21am
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ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:43:47am

re: #252 HappyWarrior

And you know what, enough people hate Clinton that they might get away with it.

It will come down to law. And the law does not recognize “Clinton” only the U.S. versus Trump and conspiring with foreign nations to gain an advantage in a sovereign election.

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Teukka  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:44:46am

Village president: ‘I owe nobody an apology’ for posts

KALKASKA, Mich. (AP) — A local official in northern Michigan refuses to apologize for sharing Facebook posts calling for the killing of “every last Muslim” and for nuclear weapons to be used on the world’s 10-largest Muslim-majority cities.
Jeff Sieting, the village president in Kalkaska, which is about 230 miles (370 kilometers) northwest of Detroit, said Monday that he doesn’t owe anyone an apology over his Facebook posts, the Record-Eagle of Traverse City reported.

*shakes head*

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:44:51am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:45:02am

re: #273 lawhawk

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These fuckers will do anything to rationalize Trump bullshit. Anything. Stop blaming Obama and actually take you know that personal responsibility you love to tell other people to take.

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Targetpractice  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:45:30am

re: #273 lawhawk

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It’s part of their Grand Obama Conspiracy where he foresaw all the way back in 2015 that Trump would win and so began the orchestration of a plan to create a massive government conspiracy to smear Donny with charges of collusion with the Russians. And it worked so perfectly well that at no time did the Trumps question why the Russians were so eager to help them.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:45:39am

re: #275 Teukka

Village president: ‘I owe nobody an apology’ for posts

*shakes head*

But don’t call him deplorable, that would hurt his delicate little right wing feelings.

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MsJ  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:45:50am

re: #267 lawhawk

That’s what the GOP voted for…. the majority of Americans didn’t vote for this bullshit.

The majority of Trump voters voted for what they thought Trump’s BUH-LEAVE ME meant…which was everything and anything. But few (and yes, there are the dead-enders who think their fellow human beings should just die) voted to have their own healthcare taken away.

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ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:46:48am

re: #256 Dr. Matt

Fox host suggests it might be “safest” to repeal Obamacare without a replacement plan

Undeniable proof that republicans are complete and utter fucking idiots.

I hate me some current Republicans, but I think there are some aware the problems they have with healthcare and are fighting their own party.

What you have is undeniable proof that Fox News are complete and utter fucking idiots.

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:55:14am

Junior said that he’d be willing to testify… so someone grab the popcorn…

Pass the popcorn
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makeitstop  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:57:07am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 13, 2017 • 8:57:51am

When I saw this, I was struck by a couple things. First, Trump has, by all appearances, a solid floor at 40%. For 40% of America, this guy is exactly what they want, and everything that everyone else sees - the racism, the corruption, the staggering incompetence - they either don’t see, or don’t care about, or actually embrace.

Now, the Administration that claims that they’ll produce economic growth consistently higher than 3% is working on a plan to reduce LEGAL immigration by 50%. This, to anyone with a brain, would make the already impossibly heavy lift of 3% growth even more impossible. Someone posted the productivity growth necessary to achieve 3% growth WITHOUT cutting immigration. It would require productivity growth most of America hasn’t seen in my lifetime.

This is what you get when 40% of America is immune to facts and rational thought, to the extent that they don’t have a clue where economic growth comes from. I am reminded of an online conversation with a Conservative a few years ago. He said - I shit you not - that what America needed was for all Americans to stop spending so much, to live within their means, buy only what they need. This, he said, would lead to the greatest economic boom we’d ever seen.

He believed this. In his mind, economic growth comes from personal virtue, not from demand for goods. His belief is the opposite of reality, it is easily refutable in ways a 10 year old could understand. Yet he clung firmly to it, because that’s what he believes.

This is our problem now. 40% of Americans have lost their mooring in reality, and they managed to elect a President and a Congress similarly unmoored from reality.

And with that, I leave you with this thought…

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:00:25am
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ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:02:03am

re: #282 lawhawk

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Junior said that he’d be willing to testify… so someone grab the popcorn…

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I think Rachel mentioned Grassley is one of the Republicans that has grown tired of Trump family antics this week with the Donny Jr. revelations. She said it seemed many Republicans are really grumbling but it is all behind the scenes.

They have to put on their Fox faces for the cameras still, but that may not last too much longer.

If we hear some Republican Senators (not named McCain or Graham) come right out and say there is most definitely a Russian connection and the Trumps worked directly with Russians to gain advantage in the election…it is over for Trump and gang.

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BeachDem  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:03:02am

re: #226 Sir John Barron

Is it naïveté or arrogance? Kushner comes across to me as a really self-satisfied little prick.

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calochortus  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:03:57am

re: #288 BeachDem

Is it naïveté or arrogance? Kushner comes across to me as a really self-satisfied little prick.

Why not both?

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ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:06:59am

re: #284 Blind Frog Belly White

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Didn’t Trump and family feel confident and think they got past it all by firing Comey?

How’d that work out again?

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piratedan  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:08:11am

and why is 40% of the country un-fucking-reachable?

It’s because of Rupert Fucking Murdoch and the rest of the fact free crew over in the RW media. I do not claim to think that Dems have the answer to every fucking thing, but its hard to have a discussion when the folks on the other side demonize every iota of policy that comes down the pike if it’s put forward by a person with a (D) behind their name as an assault on their very way of life.

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makeitstop  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:08:30am

re: #289 calochortus

Why not both?

Yes, both.

He (much like his in-laws) has never been told ‘no.’ His old man bribed the kid’s way into college. He sleeps on a bed of inherited money, and has never wanted for anything.

He’s been raised to believe that with the right combination of bluster and threats, anything can be made to go away.

But he’s never, not once, had to deal with a dedicated professional like Robert Mueller. Mueller won’t scare as easily as the contractors and small businesses Jared has pushed around for years.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:08:47am

re: #284 Blind Frog Belly White

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We’re never going to see a landslide like we have in the past. Which sucks because Trumpism needs to be repudiated loudly.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:10:21am

re: #288 BeachDem

re: #289 calochortus

I wonder if General Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord would’ve had to come up a category for Kushner and the Trump family.

“I divide my officers into four groups. There are clever, diligent, stupid, and lazy officers. Usually two characteristics are combined. Some are clever and diligent — their place is the General Staff. The next lot are stupid and lazy — they make up 90 percent of every army and are suited to routine duties. Anyone who is both clever and lazy is qualified for the highest leadership duties, because he possesses the intellectual clarity and the composure necessary for difficult decisions. One must beware of anyone who is stupid and diligent — he must not be entrusted with any responsibility because he will always cause only mischief.”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:12:45am

re: #291 piratedan

and why is 40% of the country un-fucking-reachable?

It’s because of Rupert Fucking Murdoch and the rest of the fact free crew over in the RW media. I do not claim to think that Dems have the answer to every fucking thing, but its hard to have a discussion when the folks on the other side demonize every iota of policy that comes down te pike if it’s put forward by a person with a (D) behind their name as an assault on their very way of life.

Exactly.

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KingKenrod  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:15:08am

Nixon maintained a mid-40% even during the Watergate hearings, even after several in his inner circle had been implicated and had resigned.

It was only at the end of the hearings, when the existence of secret recordings were revealed, that he dropped into the 30’s.

Trump is actually already lower than Watergate-hearing era Nixon. I think it’s going to take hard evidence of Russian quid pro quo to get them to go lower.

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Targetpractice  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:18:06am

Get a load of this headline:

“Skimpy coverage.” We’re not talking bathing suits, we’re talking the coverage that’s supposed to be there when your ass is on a gurney. “Skimpy” does not properly describe paying out cash for a policy that won’t even cover a fucking band-aid without a ridiculous co-pay.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:19:44am

re: #23 teleskiguy

When is Kellyanne Conway bringing out the big guns in her act?

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SLEDGE-O-MATIC!!!

GAWD, that was funny in it’s day.

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Interesting Times  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:20:46am

re: #296 KingKenrod

Trump is actually already lower than Watergate-hearing era Nixon. I think it’s going to take hard evidence of Russian quid pro quo to get them to go lower.

What finally drove dubya into the low-20s (even below the crazification factor of 27%, no less) was a failed war, Katrina, and the financial crisis - the last one especially since it had the greatest personal impact to those who otherwise supported him. And all three things together led to a crucial convergence: the stench of incompetence and being a “loser.”

So…the only thing I can see cracking through cheeto benito’s floor is either a similar mishandled crisis that hits trumpchumps where it hurts, or some sort of personal scandal that makes him look like such a gross, creepy loser that even they’ll be embarrassed by it (so…him being the recipient of “trickle-down” from underage hookers, perhaps…?)

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Birth Control Works  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:22:42am

Ok, I can’t read the whole thread.

How is it today. Rainy here.

Shameless Pages Promotion about Education. It’s worth signing up for the free registration. This site has interesting articles regardless.

Devos is worse that Cruella Deville. At last Cruella owned her thoughts and actions. Devos is a tool of the Whacko Patriarchy.

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:24:37am
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ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:25:16am

re: #296 KingKenrod

Nixon maintained a mid-40% even during the Watergate hearings, even after several in his inner circle had been implicated and had resigned.

It was only at the end of the hearings, when the existence of secret recordings were revealed, that he dropped into the 30’s.

Trump is actually already lower than Watergate-hearing era Nixon. I think it’s going to take hard evidence of Russian quid pro quo to get them to go lower.

And those numbers may never go lower for Trump.

Which makes me wonder why we trust those numbers after the mess we saw with polling numbers in November. Many now think the people that voted for Trump never admitted in the polling they would vote for Trump. Maybe they were embarrassed but took the leap anyway.

So, are those same too embarrassed now to admit they don’t support him?

And then there is the thinking that what is happening with the polling is they ask for self-identified Republican registered voters. What if there are less self-identified Republican voters overall? Like Joke Scarborough saying he is now an independent.

If there are less Republicans identifying, the polls are still going to show a decent number support Trump. But come voting time, there are also now less voters overall.

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makeitstop  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:26:22am

re: #301 lawhawk

Exact Trump words to Brigitte Macron: ‘You know, you’re in such great shape…beautiful.’

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ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:27:19am

re: #297 Targetpractice

Get a load of this headline:

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“Skimpy coverage.” We’re not talking bathing suits, we’re talking the coverage that’s supposed to be there when your ass is on a gurney. “Skimpy” does not properly describe paying out cash for a policy that won’t even cover a fucking band-aid without a ridiculous co-pay.

That is the Cruz-Lee part. Insurance you buy out of a vending machine or bubble gum dispenser.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:27:48am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:28:31am

re: #301 lawhawk

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Creep in Chief.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:29:11am

re: #305 FormerDirtDart

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Rest well, Jimmy. It’s hot out there. I went on a walk yesterday evening and felt my heart beating faster than usual.

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Teukka  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:30:14am

re: #306 HappyWarrior

Creep in Chief.

Groper-in-Chief.

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Targetpractice  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:30:43am

re: #304 ObserverArt

That is the Cruz-Lee part. Insurance you buy out of a vending machine or bubble gum dispenser.

And it’s because there’s no real way to do away with the rules on pre-existing conditions without killing the bill. So they’re trying subterfuge, tricking people into thinking that the rules will still be abided by while at the same time shuffling the healthiest in the pool on to plans that aren’t worth the paper they’re written upon.

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makeitstop  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:31:15am

re: #308 Teukka

Groper-in-Chief.

PIG-in Chief.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:32:19am

Here’s my prediction for how this ends.

1) They admit to everything. Everything.

2) claim they only did it to save the country from Hillary Clinton. “We only broke the law to save our country.”

Look for extra Clinton hatred starting very soon.

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Teukka  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:32:47am

re: #310 makeitstop

PIG-in Chief.

Perv-in-chief.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:33:31am

Imagine the right wing outrage if Obama had come on to a foreign leader’s wife.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:35:47am

re: #305 FormerDirtDart

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I love this man.

Having read (listened to audio cassette in the car years ago) most of his books —with him narrating, I began to appreciate him years ago. Very few men (people really), but especially alpha’s like Carter, are able to admit their faults but to do so publically in writing and then to narrate those writing is virtually unheard of.

Now, of course, with his acknowledgment of the way religion hurts women, He is a hero to me.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:36:50am

re: #313 wheat-dogg

Imagine the right wing outrage if Obama had come on to a foreign leader’s wife.

Imagine the outrage if he had a relationship with an intern.

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Weaselone  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:36:54am

re: #214 makeitstop

The Peter Principle, hard at work.

re: #299 Interesting Times

So…the only thing I can see cracking through cheeto benito’s floor is either a similar mishandled crisis that hits trumpchumps where it hurts, or some sort of personal scandal that makes him look like such a gross, creepy loser that even they’ll be embarrassed by it (so…him being the recipient of “trickle-down” from underage hookers, perhaps…?)

It will be the economy. When Trump and his merry band of little con men finally manage to drive the economy into a deep recession and further Republican austerity policies and tax cuts fail to do anything but dig a deeper hole, he’ll hit Bush popularity levels.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:37:50am

re: #313 wheat-dogg

Imagine the right wing outrage if Obama had come on to a foreign leader’s wife.

No kidding but It’s okay if you’re a Republican. The religious right will let you do anything. Even grab tehm by the wrong Bible verse.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:38:18am

re: #305 FormerDirtDart

Still working….

90+ and in the heat.

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MsJ  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:38:32am

re: #315 Birth Control Works

Imagine the outrage if he had a relationship with an intern.

The only outrage that would have mattered was Michelles. Shedda kilt ‘im.

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BeachDem  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:39:10am

April:

If the NYS GOP want to win the 2018 governor’s race, however, stalwarts of party could take into account a handful of considerations to realize that Donald Trump, Jr., might be the candidate they are looking for

May:

In May 2017, Trump Jr. met with Republican National Committee officials to discuss the party’s strategy and resources.

June:

However, one member of the Trump family has begun a running commentary in response to Comey’s testimony — Donald Trump Jr.

July:

…casting Trump Jr. as someone who just wants to hunt, fish and run his family’s real estate business…”The kid is an honest kid”

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:39:16am

re: #301 lawhawk

Exact Trump words to Brigitte Macron: ‘You know, you’re in such great shape…beautiful.’

— Adam Plowright

Are you kidding me?

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EPR-radar  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:40:01am

The other things that may drive tr*mp’s approval rating down to the impeachment zone is when information relating to ‘follow the money’ starts getting out.

tr*mp has to be dirty as hell here, and the Republicans aren’t likely to want to become known as the party of money launderers for the Russian mob.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:40:05am

re: #320 BeachDem

April:

If the NYS GOP want to win the 2018 governor’s race, however, stalwarts of party could take into account a handful of considerations to realize that Donald Trump, Jr., might be the candidate they are looking for

BWWWWWAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

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Dr. Matt  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:40:15am

re: #313 wheat-dogg

Imagine the right wing outrage if Obama had come on to a foreign leader’s wife.

The right lost their mind trying to turn this pic into a scandal.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:40:55am

re: #320 BeachDem

April:

If the NYS GOP want to win the 2018 governor’s race, however, stalwarts of party could take into account a handful of considerations to realize that Donald Trump, Jr., might be the candidate they are looking for

May:

In May 2017, Trump Jr. met with Republican National Committee officials to discuss the party’s strategy and resources.

June:

However, one member of the Trump family has begun a running commentary in response to Comey’s testimony — Donald Trump Jr.

July:

…casting Trump Jr. as someone who just wants to hunt, fish and run his family’s real estate business…”The kid is an honest kid”

From the heir apparent to “just a kid, wants to hunt and fish.”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:41:53am

re: #325 Sir John Barron

From the heir apparent to “just a kid, wants to hunt and fish.”

SAD. //

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:42:27am

re: #299 Interesting Times

So…the only thing I can see cracking through cheeto benito’s floor is either a similar mishandled crisis that hits trumpchumps where it hurts, or some sort of personal scandal that makes him look like such a gross, creepy loser that even they’ll be embarrassed by it (so…him being the recipient of “trickle-down” from underage hookers, perhaps…?)

Yeah, he hasn’t even had a crisis yet, or at least not one of his own making.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:42:59am
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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:44:53am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:45:03am

re: #287 ObserverArt

I think Rachel mentioned Grassley is one of the Republicans that has grown tired of Trump family antics this week with the Donny Jr. revelations. She said it seemed many Republicans are really grumbling but it is all behind the scenes.

They have to put on their Fox faces for the cameras still, but that may not last too much longer.

If we hear some Republican Senators (not named McCain or Graham) come right out and say there is most definitely a Russian connection and the Trumps worked directly with Russians to gain advantage in the election…it is over for Trump and gang.

I don’t trust Grassley anymore, not that I ever much did. But he’s been predictably wingnut in the past few years. Maybe he’ll surprise me.

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Belafon  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:45:38am

re: #327 Sir John Barron

Yeah, he hasn’t even had a crisis yet, or at least not one of his own making.

He hasn’t had a crisis that has hit the people that voted for him. That’s the only reason they turn on their reps.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:46:23am

re: #290 ObserverArt

Didn’t Trump and family feel confident and think they got past it all by firing Comey?

How’d that work out again?

Remember how cocky Junior was during the Comey hearings?

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:47:14am

re: #316 Weaselone

It will be the economy. When Trump and his merry band of little con men finally manage to drive the economy into a deep recession and further Republican austerity policies and tax cuts fail to do anything but dig a deeper hole, he’ll hit Bush popularity levels.

Interestingly, Turks of my acquaintance have the same general observation of Erdogan, their own little tin-horn would-be Sultan. If Turkey’s economy craters, the long-simmering discontent will skyrocket and finally blow up in the AKP’s collective face.

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Teukka  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:49:17am
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Birth Control Works  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:49:39am

I’m currently listening to The Iron Kingdom. It is so boring. Yet, enlightening. I don’t know much about Germany and Eastern Europe pre-WWII. I don’t think many do.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:49:42am

re: #329 darthstar

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Meanwhile the religious right hates on Carter and Obama. Two mean who between them have been married to the same person for 100 years combined.

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MsJ  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:49:47am

Outstanding. :-(

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Birth Control Works  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:50:47am

re: #336 HappyWarrior

Meanwhile the religious right hates on Carter and Obama. Two mean who between them have been married to the same person for 100 years combined.

same with Clinton.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:50:49am

re: #335 Birth Control Works

I’m currently listening to The Iron Kingdom. It is so boring. Yet, enlightening. I don’t know much about Germany and Eastern Europe pre-WWII. I don’t think many do.

It’s fascinating to me since with the exception of my father’s mother’s side (Irish), I’m either Eastern European or German. My youngest brother has taken the position that Germany was really screwed and that helped create the environment that led to the rise of the Nazis.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:51:23am

Speaking of pages, did one on our electric grid and the hacking threat from russia etc. Sources include Wired and Ars Tech.
And now back to your regularly scheduled thread

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:51:51am

re: #338 Birth Control Works

same with Clinton.

Well, let’s be honest here, I wouldn’t consider Bill a great husband to Hillary the way I do Jimmy for Roslyn or Barack for Michelle. Not that it’s not hypocritical to disparage Bill for being an adulterer while embracing Trump and many otehrs.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:52:58am

re: #339 HappyWarrior

It’s fascinating to me since with the exception of my father’s mother’s side (Irish), I’m either Eastern European or German. My youngest brother has taken the position that Germany was really screwed and that helped create the environment that led to the rise of the Nazis.

Well, yes, but the Treaty of Versaille really did it.

The idea that Churchill et. al. had (and I guess most leaders at that time and before) that others can draw boundary lines and make decisions that affect millions is so wrong, but they did it.

And we are living with it.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:53:02am

re: #337 MsJ

Outstanding. :-(

MAGA

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:53:57am

re: #342 Birth Control Works

Well, yes, but the Treaty of Versaille really did it.

The idea that Churchill et. al. had (and I guess most leaders at that time and before) that others can draw boundary lines and make decisions that affect millions is so wrong, but they did it.

And we are living with it.

Right, that’s his belief and that the major European powers i.e. the Brits and French were hypocrites for decrying in the Germans what they were doing themeslves.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:54:33am

re: #341 HappyWarrior

Well, let’s be honest here, I wouldn’t consider Bill a great husband to Hillary the way I do Jimmy for Roslyn or Barack for Michelle. Not that it’s not hypocritical to disparage Bill for being an adulterer while embracing Trump and many otehrs.

Well, let’s be honest. It’s not our marriage. If it works for them, then it is a good marriage. I’m really tired of people thinking their values are universal. Marriage as a romantic institution is not the only facet of marriage.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:55:53am

re: #345 Birth Control Works

Well, let’s be honest. It’s not our marriage. If it works for them, then it is a good marriage. I’m really tired of people thinking their values are universal. Marriage as a romantic institution is not the only facet of marriage.

I have to add that Bill has ALWAYS supported Hillary as an individual, as a professional and as a person. Together they raised a fantastic daughter.

Fidelity comes in many flavors.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:56:42am

re: #345 Birth Control Works

Well, let’s be honest. It’s not our marriage. If it works for them, then it is a good marriage. I’m really tired of people thinking their values are universal. Marriage as a romantic institution is not the only facet of marriage.

True that. I’m just saying that I understand why some people may not think highly of Bill as a personally moral individual. I do not however understand why the same people will defend Trump and attack like Barack and Jimmy are immoral people.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:57:04am

re: #346 Birth Control Works

I have to add that Bill has ALWAYS supported Hillary as an individual, as a professional and as a person. Together they raised a fantastic daughter.

Fidelity comes in many flavors.

And that certainly is true too. Agree about Chelsea too.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:57:22am

Worth visiting again:

What the 1% Don’t Want You to Know

I read /listened to the book a couple of years ago, (probably during my Dodd-Frank phase) I read so many books and articles regarding money/capital at that time, they tend to meld. This video is a good one.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:57:31am
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Birth Control Works  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:57:43am

re: #347 HappyWarrior

True that. I’m just saying that I understand why some people may not think highly of Bill as a personally moral individual. I do not however understand why the same people will defend Trump and attack like Barack and Jimmy are immoral people.

I understand.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:58:00am

re: #350 FormerDirtDart

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The tell.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:58:12am

re: #350 FormerDirtDart

Referring to fact France was USA’s first ally, Trump says,: “A lot of people don’t know that.” I think that means, “I didn’t know that.”

— David Corn

This guy, man.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:58:16am

re: #350 FormerDirtDart

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I knew that.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:58:43am

re: #350 FormerDirtDart

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That’s exactly what it means. A lot of people do in fact know that.

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calochortus  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:59:03am

I’m listening to Trump speak in France. His phrasing is weird (pauses in mid phrase-some of which is probably because he’s reading and isn’t familiar with the material) and he seems to be out of breath. If someone I loved was speaking like that, I’d be concerned.

357
Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:59:03am

re: #350 FormerDirtDart

Did someone tell him that France fought on our side during the French and Indian War?

////

358
HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 9:59:29am

re: #351 Birth Control Works

I understand.

Don’t get me wrong. I agree completely with you that it’s none of our business but I can completely see why Bill isn’t seen in the best light as a husband to Hillary. That said, the last people who should be telling us that are the religious right.

359
Barefoot Grin  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:00:05am

re: #330 Sir John Barron

I don’t trust Grassley anymore, not that I ever much did. But he’s been predictably wingnut in the past few years. Maybe he’ll surprise me.

He’ll express deep concern while walking in the hallway of the Senate and then defend Trump in hearings.

360
Birth Control Works  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:00:08am
362
HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:00:26am

Next he’ll talk about how no one knows that the French resistance helped the US in WWII. He really is a painfully ignorant man but lemme be blunt, maybe he’s not all wrong here because a lot of his supporters are this stupid and ignorant.

363
Barefoot Grin  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:01:12am

re: #357 Sir John Barron

Did someone tell him that France fought on our side during the French and Indian War?

////

“And together we defeated the Indians….”

364
Birth Control Works  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:01:26am
365
Birth Control Works  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:02:01am

re: #358 HappyWarrior

Don’t get me wrong. I agree completely with you that it’s none of our business but I can completely see why Bill isn’t seen in the best light as a husband to Hillary. That said, the last people who should be telling us that are the religious right.

QFT

366
Birth Control Works  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:03:34am

re: #333 Dr Lizardo

Interestingly, Turks of my acquaintance have the same general observation of Erdogan, their own little tin-horn would-be Sultan. If Turkey’s economy craters, the long-simmering discontent will skyrocket and finally blow up in the AKP’s collective face.

NOW THAT they can’t teach Evolution —feudalism isn’t far off.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:03:36am

re: #365 Birth Control Works

QFT

Remember when Pat Robertson said that it’s okay for a husband to leave his wife if she starts to lose her memory? For better or for worse, right? //

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BeachDem  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:09:27am

re: #350 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

Maybe the yam should have been the one to go see “Hamilton” instead of Pence.

Although not totally historically accurate, it might have provided him with a tiny glimpse into history.

How does a ragtag volunteer army in need of a shower
Somehow defeat a global superpower?
How do we emerge victorious from the quagmire?
Leave the battlefield waving Betsy Ross’ flag higher?
Yo. Turns out we have a secret weapon!
An immigrant you know and love who’s unafraid to step in!
He’s constantly confusin’, confoundin’ the British henchmen
Ev’ryone give it up for America’s favorite fighting Frenchman!

genius.com

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:10:42am

re: #358 HappyWarrior

Don’t get me wrong. I agree completely with you that it’s none of our business but I can completely see why Bill isn’t seen in the best light as a husband to Hillary. That said, the last people who should be telling us that are the religious right.

Not at all Right, and not at all religious, so I’ll tell us: Bubba’s duty to his dick brought us GW Bush and Donald Trump. Got no use for him.

(That didn’t stop us from volunteering as crowd wranglers at his Panama City HRC event. Stopping the Buffoon-in-Chief was that important.)

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:10:58am
371
Belafon  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:11:38am

re: #337 MsJ

Outstanding. :-(

How else are we going to get that terror attack that keeps Trump in power?

372
FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:11:45am
373
FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:12:38am
374
Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:12:54am

Who the hell is Jim?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:12:55am

re: #370 FormerDirtDart

Trump is asked about his friend “Jim” and negative things he’s said about France!

— Jennifer Epstein

??

376
HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:13:36am

re: #369 Decatur Deb

Not at all Right, and not at all religious, so I’ll tell us: Bubba’s duty to his dick brought us GW Bush and Donald Trump. Got no use for him.

(That didn’t stop us from volunteering as crowd wranglers at his Panama City HRC event. Stopping the Buffoon-in-Chief was that important.)

Yep.

377
Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:13:41am

re: #374 Eclectic Cyborg

Who the hell is Jim?

Is this another alternate personality of DJT’s we’re just learning about?

378
BlackPearl  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:14:02am

re: #374 Eclectic Cyborg

Who the hell is Jim?

apnews.com

379
Belafon  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:14:06am

I did not know this: Emmanuel Macron is 39, Bridgette Macron is 64. Cool.

380
HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:14:24am

re: #377 Sir John Barron

Is this another alternate personality of DJT’s we’re just learning about?

Jim is the coal miner that John Miller met on a blind date in a mirror at Trump Tower.

381
Barefoot Grin  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:15:50am

Whenever Trump claims to have a friend alarm bells should go off.

382
BeachDem  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:15:56am

re: #373 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:15:59am

re: #379 Belafon

I did not know this: Emmanuel Macron is 39, Bridgette Macron is 64. Cool.

Wow, really? That’s unusual. Must be especially confusing for Dumpster who keeps trading his wives in for younger models (figuratively and literally).

384
Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:16:34am

re: #382 BeachDem

Maybe “Jim” arranged the collusion meeting with Junior.

/

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I cannot.  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:16:59am

re: #374 Eclectic Cyborg

He’s Trump’s version of Tom Friedman’s cab driver. Jim tells Trump something that sounds exactly like what Trump says, and then Trump says Jim said it…kind of like “everyone is talking about X”, etc.

See: Imaginary Friend

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wheat-dogg  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:17:06am

re: #324 Dr. Matt

The right lost their mind trying to turn this pic into a scandal.

[Embedded content]

I woulda looked, too. Sorry, ladies.

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Belafon  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:17:47am

re: #383 Sir John Barron

Wow, really? That’s unusual. Must be especially confusing for Dumpster who keeps trading his wives in for younger models (figuratively and literally).

Hopefully, Trump will wake up in a sweat one night and think “You mean women go for younger men?! I could get dumped?!”

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calochortus  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:19:28am

re: #386 wheat-dogg

I woulda looked, too. Sorry, ladies.

No need to apologize. You’re allowed to look as long as you still treat women with respect-as I’m sure you do.

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BeachDem  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:19:32am

re: #379 Belafon

I did not know this: Emmanuel Macron is 39, Bridgette Macron is 64. Cool.

Yeah—during the election, LePen’s sleazy peeps tried to float that he was after his step-daughter.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:21:31am
392
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:23:29am

In today’s WTF but unrelated to politics tweet:

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:23:34am

re: #391 FormerDirtDart

Next week: CBO score shows the bill sucks.

Next Wednesday: Collins: Well although the CBO report is disappointing I’ll vote for the bill to prevent Obamacare’s collapse.

394
Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:24:07am

re: #392 klys (maker of Silmarils)

In today’s WTF but unrelated to politics tweet:

Purposeful wife has blocked me, so no Purpose for me.

395
7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:24:43am

re: #383 Sir John Barron

Wow, really? That’s unusual. Must be especially confusing for Dumpster who keeps trading his wives in for younger models (figuratively and literally).

Thus his looking her up and down and finding it noteworthy to mention her looks are okay for an old woman.

396
calochortus  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:24:58am

Time to do something constructive.
BBL

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:25:26am

re: #393 Sir John Barron

Next week: CBO score shows the bill sucks.

Next Wednesday: Collins: Well although the CBO report is disappointing I’ll vote for the bill to prevent Obamacare’s collapse.

I bet my colleague that the Senate moderates would fold like the House moderates did. I hope I’m wrong. Rand Paul seems unmoveable, so it would only take two moderates to stop it.

398
makeitstop  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:27:13am

re: #356 calochortus

I’m listening to Trump speak in France. His phrasing is weird (pauses in mid phrase-some of which is probably because he’s reading and isn’t familiar with the material) and he seems to be out of breath. If someone I loved was speaking like that, I’d be concerned.

Here’s hoping tonight’s dinner is loaded up with that yummy, rich French cuisine.

/sorta

399
Big Beautiful Door  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:28:19am

re: #390 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

My daughter loves the music from Hamilton, so I’ll try to get tickets when it comes to Louisville in the 2018-19 season, if the ticket price isn’t insane.

400
Alephnaught  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:31:02am

Well this just happened on my street just a few moments ago:

(This happening courtesy of a visiting artist to our local Market Gallery.)

401
Birth Control Works  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:31:25am
402
BeachDem  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:31:43am

re: #399 Big Beautiful Door

My daughter loves the music from Hamilton, so I’ll try to get tickets when it comes to Louisville in the 2018-19 season, if the ticket price isn’t insane.

The ticket prices will probably be insane, but it will be worth it. (When I saw it in NY, I said that I could have gone to Europe for what it cost—but I got to see the original cast and it is my best memory of 2016 and one of my best ever.)

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ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:31:54am

Later…I need to log off to prevent my fingers from typing something I will regret. If I am not logged on I can’t comment!

Plus, I said I wasn’t going to comment on negativity.

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makeitstop  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:36:34am
405
The Vicious Babushka  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:36:38am

re: #392 klys (maker of Silmarils)

In today’s WTF but unrelated to politics tweet:

[Embedded content]

Why is that an either/or?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:37:46am

re: #404 makeitstop

[Embedded content]

That’s different. //

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:39:42am
408
Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:40:36am

While we’re discussing the doings of former presidents:

Jimmy Carter “dehydrated” on Habitat build in Canada, receives medical attention

ajc.com

At 92, he probably still has a couple more houses in him.

409
Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:41:04am

re: #407 lawhawk

Personal Responsibility Party keeps on Not Personal Responsibling.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:42:05am

re: #407 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

He’s eventually going to blame those meddling kids and their dumb dog too.

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:42:13am
412
Belafon  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:42:22am

re: #392 klys (maker of Silmarils)

In today’s WTF but unrelated to politics tweet:

Regression toward the mean says that just being smart doesn’t create smart kids. I mean, none of Einstein’s kids went on to greatness.

Also, wouldn’t you just be telling your kids that being smart isn’t really worth anything?

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:42:36am

re: #407 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

I’m old enough to remember Republicans mocking Democrats for blaming Bush for the weak economy and turmoil in the Middle East.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:42:47am

re: #374 Eclectic Cyborg

Who the hell is Jim?

I figure Jim is like Stimpy’s close friend, Mr. Stinky.

In other words, the voice that speaks from Trump’s ass.

415
Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:43:07am

re: #291 piratedan

and why is 40% of the country un-fucking-reachable?

It’s because of Rupert Fucking Murdoch and the rest of the fact free crew over in the RW media. I do not claim to think that Dems have the answer to every fucking thing, but its hard to have a discussion when the folks on the other side demonize every iota of policy that comes down the pike if it’s put forward by a person with a (D) behind their name as an assault on their very way of life.

And when a Republican does get caught out in something that can’t be denied, FOX will put up (Congressman-D) in their Chyron. They don’t give a hoot about lying either.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:45:11am

re: #394 Sir John Barron

Purposeful wife has blocked me, so no Purpose for me.

I am blocked, too. IIRC I only commented once on her threads.

I wanted to tell her it’s possible to be both a famous scientist and a mother to six famous scientists. It’s not like a PhD will make you sterile.

417
lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:45:47am

re: #415 Anymouse 🌹

To wit:

418
(Bert the Turtle)  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:46:18am

re: #394 Sir John Barron

Purposeful wife has blocked me, so no Purpose for me.

I enjoyed my time indulging in purpose. Now bring on the porpoises.

419
Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:47:05am

re: #345 Birth Control Works

Well, let’s be honest. It’s not our marriage. If it works for them, then it is a good marriage. I’m really tired of people thinking their values are universal. Marriage as a romantic institution is not the only facet of marriage.

Yup. Bill and Hillary’s marriage is their business. I also suspect it’s a lot more romantic than Newt and Callista’s or Donald and Melania’s.

420
HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:50:25am

re: #417 lawhawk

To wit:

[Embedded content]

Textbook actual fake news.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:50:57am
422
goddamnedfrank  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:51:12am
423
HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:51:51am

re: #419 Anymouse 🌹

Yup. Bill and Hillary’s marriage is their business. I also suspect it’s a lot more romantic than Newt and Callista’s or Donald and Melania’s.

For sure. And there is something to be said that she did stay by him. He definitely made some mistakes but you know what, I know lots of couples where one of the partners has made mistakes and they worked things out. Newt is the dude who cheated on his sick wife and Donald is the dude who bragged about his sex life to the tabloids for his kids to see. It really says a lot that the RR sees both men as moral.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:52:17am

re: #422 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

Jared’s so typical of many brats.

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mmmirele  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:52:20am

OK, I’ll be the first to say this is an extremely tough read, but I think it’s an important read. It’s from the English edition of La Civilta Cattolica, which is pretty much the voice of the Pope. Writings published here are scrutinized by the Vatican first.

Basically, the Vatican is expressing concern over “spiritual warfare,” “prosperity theology,” “reconstructionism (dominionism)” and fundamentalism. The writers give a very brief history of American fundamentalism. They also name-drop Rousas J. Rushdoony, who was the proponent of the “reconstructionism” mentioned above. (Rushdoony wanted to bring back Old Testament law, complete with capital punishment.) The writers walk a careful path between out ad out secularism and fundamentalism, wanting Christian/Catholic input in the modern world, rather than having a holy war or Holy Roman Empire mentality.

Like I said this is tough to read, but take it in small bites—I think the Pope is saying he’s not liking the current fundamentalist marriage to the state.

laciviltacattolica.com

426
FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:53:12am

Thread from Emily Gee, not to long

427
Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:54:33am

re: #422 goddamnedfrank

“Yes, your honor, I’d like to change that testimony I entered under Oath…”

428
Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:55:07am

re: #426 FormerDirtDart

Thread from Emily Gee, not to long

HHS doesn’t “score” stuff, to the best of my knowledge. Maybe they have actuaries, but if so they haven’t ever been cited.

429
Teukka  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:55:19am

re: #425 mmmirele

OK, I’ll be the first to say this is an extremely tough read, but I think it’s an important read. It’s from the English edition of La Civilta Cattolica, which is pretty much the voice of the Pope. Writings published here are scrutinized by the Vatican first.

Basically, the Vatican is expressing concern over “spiritual warfare,” “prosperity theology,” “reconstructionism (dominionism)” and fundamentalism. The writers give a very brief history of American fundamentalism. They also name-drop Rousas J. Rushdoony, who was the proponent of the “reconstructionism” mentioned above. (Rushdoony wanted to bring back Old Testament law, complete with capital punishment.) The writers walk a careful path between out ad out secularism and fundamentalism, wanting Christian/Catholic input in the modern world, rather than having a holy war or Holy Roman Empire mentality.

Like I said this is tough to read, but take it in small bites—I think the Pope is saying he’s not liking the current fundamentalist marriage to the state.

laciviltacattolica.com

Should you or me post this upstairs. Second that opinion that this is important shit.

430
FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:55:36am

re: #392 klys (maker of Silmarils)

In today’s WTF but unrelated to politics tweet:

it’s all about politics.
She’s a white nationalist

431
Birth Control Works  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:55:42am

432
Birth Control Works  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:56:31am

re: #429 Teukka

Should you or me post this upstairs. Second that opinion that this is important shit.

Trust yourself and post.

433
Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:57:05am

re: #405 The Vicious Babushka

Why is that an either/or?

“Wife with a Purpose” is a Quiverfull blog. Women aren’t supposed to be scientists - only homemakers.

434
Barefoot Grin  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:57:45am

re: #430 FormerDirtDart

it’s all about politics.
She’s a white nationalist

[Embedded content]

No surprise then that Richard Spenser is in the People You May Also Like column….

435
Teukka  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:58:04am

re: #432 Birth Control Works

Trust yourself and post.

Done.

436
Kragar  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:58:36am

re: #428 Sir John Barron

HHS doesn’t “score” stuff, to the best of my knowledge. Maybe they have actuaries, but if so they haven’t ever been cited.

437
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:58:58am

re: #405 The Vicious Babushka

Why is that an either/or?

For her, because she’s an idiot who wants women to be barefoot and pregnant. At least, that’s what I get out of her Twitter profile.

In actual practice, it ends up feeling like an either/or to a lot of women in the sciences because of a number of factors, including graduate school (I have so much admiration for those who manage to pull off both a Ph.D. and a baby at the same time because hahahahahaha no) and the pressure to be extremely productive the first few years following your graduation (postdoc/pre-tenure) if you want to get a tenure track position (and tenure itself). You might be 35 by the time it’s all “settled” and you know you have a stable job/environment. It absolutely requires a spouse willing to do their share of the heavy lifting and then some, probably, and there’s still all the society pressures that say that women should be doing the majority of this shit, a nontrivial amount of which women have ingrained into their head so you’re fighting your urge to feel guilty about not doing as much.

Oh, that tenure committee is likely made up of dudes who have no idea of the kind of juggling this requires also. (So yes, some of this is definitely tied directly to academia, but let’s face it, science is kind of shitty from a work/life balance perspective so the challenges are still going to be present in industry. And I am speaking primarily from the viewpoint of a research scientist here, which sort of requires a Ph.D. these days.)

There’s a lot of areas this could be improved so it doesn’t feel so much like an either/or. I’m hoping that it will. Some of the bigger name universities are at least paying lip service to that sort of thing now, and while I remain unconvinced that this is necessarily being embraced 100%, it might mean changes are slowly going to happen. Hopefully.

438
Birth Control Works  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:59:51am

re: #392 klys (maker of Silmarils)

In today’s WTF but unrelated to politics tweet:

[Embedded content]

439
Eventual Carrion  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:01:08am

re: #275 Teukka

Village president: ‘I owe nobody an apology’ for posts

*shakes head*

Good, then I don’t owe him an apology when I tell him to french kiss my asshole.

440
FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:01:13am

re: #428 Sir John Barron

HHS doesn’t “score” stuff, to the best of my knowledge. Maybe they have actuaries, but if so they haven’t ever been cited.

That’s what Gee tweets in her thread. They would score, but knowing their precision was lacking, to basically check their work, as it were.

441
Big Beautiful Door  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:01:15am

re: #436 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Tom Price will “score” it as adding coverage for millions of Americans without causing premiums for the sick to hardly increase at all.

442
Birth Control Works  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:02:22am

re: #423 HappyWarrior

For sure. And there is something to be said that she did stay by him. He definitely made some mistakes but you know what, I know lots of couples where one of the partners has made mistakes and they worked things out. Newt is the dude who cheated on his sick wife and Donald is the dude who bragged about his sex life to the tabloids for his kids to see. It really says a lot that the RR sees both men as moral.

What does it say in the marriage vows? You know those words politicians say before God and Everyone?

‘TILL DEATH DO US PART’.

Christians are good at divorce.

443
FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:02:52am

re: #438 Birth Control Works

[Embedded content]

It’s about white babies. Lots of white babies.

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dangerman  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:03:14am

re: #438 Birth Control Works

[Embedded content]
It’s not a zero-sum game. A PERSON can do both.

more (i logged in for this)
how are you going to pay for six to get educated and through college?
health care?
and fund your own retirement?

and what if you have 6 girls? can that generation be scientists or are they faced with the same “choice”?

gah

445
FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:05:34am

re: #434 Barefoot Grin

No surprise then that Richard Spenser is in the People You May Also Like column….

I got the “breed white babies’ feel from the “six smart babies” tweet, before even looking at her timeline.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:06:05am

re: #443 FormerDirtDart

It’s about white babies. Lots of white babies.

I have 39 grandkids. But I guess they don’t even count because they are Juice. My youngest daughter married a whitey white man tho

447
Birth Control Works  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:10:06am

Quiverfull shit —it’s about not having to grow-up.

Women who only stay home and raise drones — are not adults, they are tools.

448
BeachDem  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:12:20am

re: #407 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

As someone in that thread pointed out, yam jr. at 39 is just a naive, innocent “kid,” while Macron, at 39 is the fucking president of France.

449
FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:20:21am

re: #448 BeachDem

As someone in that thread pointed out, yam jr. at 39 is just a naive, innocent “kid,” while Macron, at 39 is the fucking president of France.

Hell, when I was 39 I retired from the Army. Some of my soldiers had been born after I had originally enlisted.

450
Eventual Carrion  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:16:03pm

re: #357 Sir John Barron

Did someone tell him that France fought on our side during the French and Indian War?

////

They got us a new White House too

451
CleverToad  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:55:35pm

re: #444 dangerman

more (i logged in for this)
how are you going to pay for six to get educated and through college?
health care?
and fund your own retirement?

and what if you have 6 girls? can that generation be scientists or are they faced with the same “choice”?

gah

First thing that came to my mind — the logic implies that you have to have six smart SONS to fulfill the requirement, because the girls are stuck being baby-makers themselves. *pffft*

As also noted, IQ is not a direct 1:1 inheritance. My dad had an IQ in the genius 180+ range (before he drank it down to 140). Five kids are all above-average IQ but ain’t none of us at his level.


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Deadpool’s “Wet on Wet” Teaser After surviving a near fatal bovine attack, a disfigured cafeteria chef (Wade Wilson) struggles to fulfill his dream of becoming Mayberry’s hottest bartender while also learning to cope with his lost sense of taste. Searching to regain his spice ...
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Voice of America Reporter Outed as Alt-Right However, using information Fatzick himself posted on Reddit — including his age, girlfriend’s name, former employers, friends, location, educational background, and sports affiliations — this reporter was able to tie the vile posts of UncleSam4200 to the Voice of ...
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Gary Clark Jr - Come Together (Official Music Video) [From the Justice League Movie Soundtrack] Official Video for "Come Together" by Gary Clark Jr. featured in the Justice League Movie trailer. In theaters November 17th 2017.Directed by Kris Merc Get the song now at garyclarkjr.com Check out the Justice League soundtrack here: lnk.to Follow ...
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Kimbra - Top of the World (Official Music Video)New from Kimbra The new single Top of the World is available now on Apple Music, Spotify, Google Play, and more. Get the single here - kmbra.me The new studio album Primal Heart out wwide January 19th, 2018Preorder now - ...
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The Barr Brothers - Song That I Heard (Live on KEXP) kexp.org presents The Barr Brothers performing "Song That I Heard" live at Breakglass Studios during POP Montreal 2017. Recorded September 16, 2017. Audio Engineer: James BenjaminCameras: Jim Beckmann, Ian Cameron & Scott HolpainenEditor: Jim Beckmann kexp.orgpopmontreal.combreakglass.ca With support from ...
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Left Cries Foul, but Electoral College Prevents Tyranny of the Majority I'm speechless...this is what we have to fight against: Image: constitution-1486010_960_720.jpg Author: Paul Jenkins(Paul Jenkins is editor of the anchoragedailyplanet.com, a division of Porcaro Communications) The political left and its mouthpiece, The New York Times, are still fuming over ...
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Tune-Yards - Look at Your Hands (Official Video) 'Look at Your Hands' by Tune-Yards. New album 'I can feel you creep into my private life' is released January 19th 2018: smarturl.it Video by Michael SpeedFootage by Marisa Gesualdi & Jennifer SommerAdditional photos by Nate Brenner, Ginger Fierstein ...
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Beck Performing ‘Up All Night’ Live on KCRW Watch / Listen to the full session here: kcrw.com Beck has always been a chameleon and his latest Colors finds him returning to the incredibly upbeat songs that drove earlier albums like Odelay and Guero. This performance, recorded at ...
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